Well hello there,

i'm new to Cryptos but not new to investing.

So as dumb as I am - ignoring the properties of a highly volatile and unregulated market, I invested a huge amount at ~4100€ (almost ATH), woke up to a 10% loss and sold everything in two charges at a -15% loss.
The hodlers who bought high amuse me: "I am not loosing money until I sell it" - well sure you loose money, the value of your asset declines.
Any investor with half a brain will tell you that a secret to success is limiting your losses (risk).
So at first I regreted my decision, because It went to straight ~3900€ two days after.
I read more about Crypto, talked to people and was more and more suspicious about the current state of the bubble.
Well now I'm lucky. If I would buy now, I would get more BTC for less money including my losses.

So what did I learn? I think BTC has an intrinsic value of around $1000. The rest are hopes and dreams.
Most of the BTC investors never traded a stock before and just want to get rich quick - this is driven by many blatant dumb posts in this thread and others   
Everybody knows somebody who got rich with stocks and BTC, well...but that might be just "luck" (law of large numbers).

And I will repeat what others said before me. Blockchain technology is revolutionary but BTC is not - It is not more than a speculative asset.
Anybody who "believes" in BTC as a decentralized currency is doomed to fail. It is the king now, but there are no kings, only princes.
So, as you do not know the intrinsic value of a BTC you might end with a bunch of worthless private keys.

Anyway I'm surely investing down on teh road for the fun of it.

Sure and that makes BTCs value in what amount better than other crypto assets. Anybody remember myspace? 

BTCs market cap is laughable. Nobodys gonna "attack"  
The only conspiracy theory which could apply is, that BTC as an implemention of the blockchain technology is a crucial social experiment  

Two facts from my side:
Every larger company is currently trying to reduce the cost associated with hard cash.
This is the "digitalizing aspect" everybody is talking about. Yes (slow) companies will arrive in the 21. century too.
Finance institutes are looking for experts in blockchain technology (some job offerings I recently read). So count 1+1 together...

Amazon will not stay there forever. Remember IBM and McDonalds?
Sure BTC got under developement, but in my opinion its inherent technological design is broken, if you want it to use as an actual currency.
And that's the argument of many "believers". Current attemps in improving scalability comes at the cost of loosing security, let alone the sheer amount of electricity needed for buying a coffee.

I never said it is wrong only the wrong rationale - I have invested 1% of my savings - which is fine regarding the risk/reward ratio.



By "technological design" I meant how transactions are currently processed and confirmed,
the hard limit on supply (which makes believers think the price will skyrocket) and the fact that everybody can know what I have in my wallet.

There are already several coins which solve some of this problems, e.g. Monero.

Nothing is determined. You can have my morning turd...its unique and supply is limited to one.
Its price only depends on the amount of turd collectors. Same with bitcoin. As long as you find always new believers the rocket will fly.
A healthy economy needs some amount of inflation. Why should I buy something if my currency is more worth tomorrow. Yes I know this argument has a beard but enlighten me.


Sure, "Bitcoin" has its name on it. This is a huge advantage and the fact that altcoins are currently traded with regard to its worth in Bitcoin as a base currency. That might fade. We'll see.

Yes i like monero - its currently more or less ASIC proof - and mining some. I also own ETH and BTC. So what?

  - I bought Bitcoins, traded to ETH and mine some Monero...all within a timespan of 2 weeks...what's wrong with you?

Yeah sure, but what makes you so sure that a Bitcoin is more worth than my turd? Because currently everybody wants some?
Do you have reason to know that it is not a ponzi scheme?


Economic theories are not proofable and many people with nobel prizes in economy failed while trading stocks or do you think Markowitz Portfolio Theory captures reality?  
So you believe in Bitcoin backed up by theories about economy. And I believe in my (economic) theories. Nothing to battle about.

In my humble opinion its current price is partly based on a pyramid schmeme...but that is the property of every bubble

Yes and we are all little hamsters making more little hamsters with shitty jobs to strive the economy  


That does not proof a fundamental value. "People" buy everything if they believe in it.


Wow you are clever in quoting wiki. Maybe there's the possibility that many "all hail the Bitcoin"-people are just a proxy for a rather large Ponzi?


Oh come on. You know it can be interpreted in both ways.

Chinese exchanges currently trade 1BTC for ~2700$ - Yesterdays price of ~3100$ also came to our exchanges

As long as there is no facebook, myspace should suffice  

Although I'm in the profit zone with my current trade (bought some at ~2550€) these price movements are just ridiculous. Nothing healthy...

well some clever guys (or girls) are making the money of their lives by margin trading at china exchanges and selling it to us

To be honest I didn't thought about that "investment". I sold everything with a small loss and buyed myself back in going from 3200€ to 2550€.
Was just about right I guess

Can anybody explain to me the huge price difference of 500$ between China and USD? Is the market this inefficient?

There's a sell order at 3640€ of 90BTC at Kraken currently eaten and another one of 100BTC at 3649.5€
So that's the price range for the next hours

I don't know if it has been already posted, but there is a small german article where you can read that the european central bank is thinking about a ban of ICOs

this shit amuses me, who the fuck is actually believing in bitcoin as a technology?
who seriously would adopt bitcoin as a currency with all that forks?
you all just want more of the precious fiat money  

time to buy ETH/LTC/ZEC...

come on...go down! I totally forgot to buy some in the 5500-7000 range  

I wonder when most people realize that bitcoin is one of the technically most inferior coins out there  

well, name me a coin that is

completely private (hides transactions, amounts, adresses etc.)
this includes fungibility
no transaction malleability
adaptive blocksize
faster difficulty adjustment
is asic proof
has inflation

...

what the fuck is wrong with kraken 

I also made a bet on LTC last month, thinking it couldn't get lower than 0.01BTC...


crypto is done, get out while you can

https://fork.lol/pow/hashrate

steady moveover from HashPower to BCH, already 30% in the last 12h

went with 50% of my stash into BCH, yolo

Difficulty adjustment is too slow in BTC. Fees will increase massively or the chain may freeze with unbearable transaction times.

  Kraken@BCH 0.176

BCH HashPower ~40% in the last 3h, 25% in the last 24h

total according to fork.lol

has many more statistics like tx fees and so on...don't know if its reliable

https://fork.lol/pow/hashrate

BCH HashPower 50% in the last 3h  , 28% in the last 24h, Transactionfees of BTC are 8x higher compared to BCH

>100K pending transactions and BCH Hashpower 33% in the last 24h, 40% in the last 12h

Kraken BTC trading at 5212€ @ ~6100$

BCH gets new difficulty adjustment algorithm (as a replacement for EDA) in some days
BTC difficulty adjustment is in ~3weeks
until then mining BCH will be more profitable, currently 38.5% BCH in the last 24h

maybe the chain will freeze and we'll see an emergency pow update  

let the war begin

6k$ is broken, changed my BTC stash at 0.13-0.23 levels to BCH...funny ride

waiting for the hardfork tomorrow

you were lied to in expecting that btc (core) is "bitcoin"

well, off-chain solutions are senseless if i only want to send an amount to an adress one time, because i have to open a channel on-chain.
that means for simple transactions (e.g. exchange-> wallet) its completly useless.

i have no idea why the "core" developers (or what's left of them) did not just implemented fast difficulty adjustment with variable blocksizes.
no they come up with "SegWit"...and you don't need segwit to do side-chains...

difficulty of BCH is now adjusted every! block and smoothly. No supersonic spikes in "blocks found per hour". Important update imo so that both chains work properly (in their technical limits )

so for the next week BCH will most likely be more profitable.

So get used for high fees and >100K unconfirmed transactions for a while and place your bets

some in this thread argue that they don't care about high fees (which are currently ridiculus) and low transaction times because Bitcoin is for them like gold
gold has some intrinsic value but bitcoin gets its value from useability and brand, while the former stagnates
what if blockstream limits blocksize increase forcibly to increase transactions fees and reward miners more?

chill out, 10k$ is just a matter of days

with the upcoming forks of Bitcoin Silver, Bitcoin Diamond and Super Bitcoin the FOMO will be inevitable
and if that will not help, print more Tether!!!

what do you guys think about the Tether/Bitfinex conspiracy? Where is all this money coming from? Is bitfinex just "washtrading" the price in its desired direction?
Imho price of Bitcoin at 1k$ was the result of somehow healthy grow (~$10Mio Tether), now we have 7x this price (~600Mio Tether). This might be the next MtGox.

Get rich quick 101
1. Buy BTC with real USD
2. Print Tether
3. Pump BTC with Tether
4. FOMO
5. Sell BTC for USD
6. Profit

When you understand how washtrading works you'll understand that 20Mio Tether are enough to increase MarketCap by 20Billion$.
This works as long as the price of BTC stays high. Never short Bitcoin in the current situation. This bubble (Tether out of thin air) will pop.

You cannot sell tether to fiat.
Markets are linked through e.g. margin bots.
Sure the BTC you buy at step 1) have to be moved to a "real" exchange.
Bitfinex has lost its banking support in april as far as I remember (just when the pumping started)
In order for Bitfinex to stay solvent (our somehow manage to back the tether with real dollar) the price has to climb.
There are margin lends at Bitfinex >100Mio Tether. Imagine some of that at leverage and you are the market because you can break resistances and support at will (Bitfinex "allows" washtrading)
The price moves favourable in that direction what is most profitable for bitfinex to close long/short positions (you're basically betting against the exchange)
They are not the only exchange, but that with the highest volume in BTC and tether is linked to other exchanges like Poloniex etc...even Kraken!
Its almost always the same scenario...price declines for some time...boom...tether magic out of the nowhere....fomo...slow selloff....repeat.
The bagholders are the buyers who think they got "cheap coins".
This problem is getting more and more media attention.
What do you think will happen if 2-3 exchanges close (suddenly) or you cannot withdraw anymore and people realize most of the price is thin air?
Expect price to surge to the 1000$ level when it pops...I don't know "when" but it will happen.

Because yolo, I currently only expose a little money (5% of my portfolio) to cryptorisk. Buy a little when it dips, sell a little when it bumps.


Are you kidding me? Its exactly the other way round!


20 Mio Tether != 20 Mio increase in marketcap. Marketcap means nothing because you can't sell all Bitcoins in circulation at ~7700$!
20 Mio Tether including leverage and in a single hand can make extremle pressure. You can climb the price scale at will when real! volume is low.

just after 30Mio Tether leave the boat, price bumps  

never short bitcoin! at the current moment

imo tether wasn't hacked. They just want to hide the fact that they are printing tethers out of thin air (their ledger was negative).
600Mio tether were used since april to pump the market.

Can't predict whats happening next...might fomo buy BTC because everyone wants to get rid of tethers but then maybe freefall to 3K$

imo better in almost every aspect than bitcoin but it will never reach public adoption because of its "private features" - look at the number of devs supporting monero in comparison to "core" 
bitcoin is that fat one night stand you keep on meeting, because you hope you get to know her hot girlfriend monero better

Monero is a bit more than "mixing"  ...hell...bitcoins aren't even fungible

privacy should be default or non-existent at all...thats the problem with dash

154Mill Tether (margin market) on Bitfinex...prepare 

Maybe tether-magic today is meant for shorting   #theflippening

I usually buy bitcoin in little bags and sell the bags when i make enough profit out of them
I just noticed that this is nonsense since Bitcoin doesnt fall in price for more than 24h anymore

hell my stocks are more volatile than this

starting to invest my money in more safe assets: bitcoin  

Kraken@9750$ 

Bitcoin declines, >85K unconfirmed transactions, 25M Tethers printed today...i'd say moon  

someone is massively dumping on gdax

Hm i thought we would see a more massive pump bevor goxxing

we'll dive under 10k$ for sure in the next hours 

long positions got liquidated on bitfinex for ridiculus low prices, shady exchange

GDAX with nearly 5% premium in EUR/BTC wtf

Not only that, even Blockstream Core developers advocate to use LTC or Dash for transactions, its hilarious
Bitcoins best days are over, currently average joe is jumping on the wagon (not understanding anything of its limitations) so i'll expect a max 2x increase by 2018

When the FOMO starts GDAX is always heading by a large step, currently:
Kraken: 11300€, GDAX: 11927€ 

BTC is no longer accepted on Steam 'cause of high-fees and unstable price

 old news is old

>100K unconfirmed transactions

waiting for #theflippening 

Either big institutions are buying on GDAX (too short later) or Average Joy is just too dumb to use another exchange, price premium ~10%  

maybe I'm viewing things too simple but
1: accumulate "cheap coins" (>1 Mrd$) (i observed the GDAX premium behavior in both directions since ~1 month, whales testing sensitivity of the market?)
2: buy short future contract
3: dump all the coins
4. profit

if this goes on, altcoins will be worthless in 1 week
its like watching a race car right before the crash 

can't ignore current alt-prices are inviting 

Personally I (still) have no luck in alt-coin trading. You can't predict the low and overall (since the alt-coin pump in march) their value is mostly declining (except maybe monero, dash etc)
Betted on LTC not going under 0.010 BTC...and here we are
Betted on BCH not going under 0.15 BTC...and here we are

let's test that 10K$ support line 

that GDAX fomo buying with a 5% premium just irritates me

bitcoin.de: 12100€, kraken: 12400€, gdax: 13200€

so lets assume BTC hits 1mill$ someday and LN is there to save us, do i have to pay 2000$ to open a channel?

tether

its altcoin season you know, because in its current state btc is unusable! in what intellectual bubble are you guys chilling? going long on mempool?

>200k unconfirmed transactions, 25$ transaction fees if you want to have it done under 1 week
do the math  

come on, it wouldn't hurt anybody to up the blocksize to 2mb to give us some time, this centralization argument is nonsense
any argument against bigger blocks can be destroyed with techniques like graphene (x100 block compression)
segwit ist fucking complicated to be implemented by exchanges in the foreseeable future and LN comes in 18 month™
and even with LN and current demand, how much do you want to pay to open a channel?

let the market decide  

Charlie Lee is an evil genius
changed 5 lines in BTC code, added 100 new for POW, waited some years, 100 mill. $ rich 

all this "attack" talk is so hilarious and /r/bitcoin is pure comedy
its like amd vs. nvidia and all the evil plans   - will never understand such blatantly blinded people

but well, i made 0.5 BCH today, for free 

Keep telling yourself that an (currently) unuseable asset will do an upward surge

Quick find more fools who believe in HODL and CHEAP COINZ, all the indian taxi drivers are already invested

Well i HODL, but only profits...in the current situation I will not let my hard earned money be "at risk"
Hell, i got 0.5 BCH yesterday for free...it should be all for the fun in the game of greater fools

so much buying power, much resistance, wow

Don't be naive  
1 Billion Tether+Bitfinex and the continuous FUD about it, Charlie Lee cashing out, completly congested network because of the same old tech since 8 years

Today I read a newsline that the share of an ice tea firm raised by 500% because they added the word "blockchain" to their name
This time its different but i sold yesterday anyway

12000€=14200$ on on a local P2P exchange

10750€=12700$ on a local exchange (11100€ Kraken)

so only "the rich" can cash-out if they want?

8700€=~10300$ on GDAX

haha all the indian taxi drivers are now the bag holders

GDAX order books must be thin as paper...jumping from 8600 to 11200 in literally minutes

ATH in Satoshis/Byte, come on, you have to believe  

Nobodys buying  

Who is "they" and why would anybody want your coins? Its like praying at a stone (bitcoin currently)
and telling everybody its worth more than the market decides, everybody who bought > 3000$ bought into a pump

I am not the brightest shill but why should I pay more than last year on an asset that works worse than last year?  

my projection is that currently many are sitting on tether...thus, the price will someday skyrocket one more time *wild guess*

you know when GDAX is (as always) ~8% ahead the FOMO starts and the plebs stress their credit cards because CHEAP COINZ

there is something shady with GDAX/Bitfinex, >10% price difference?

you have to buy them CHEAP COINZ, don't you know

all the hot tether air escaping, expect many more little ups and bigger downs the next weeks

but go on, play your new ATH in Jan game  

Am reading this since 4 days 

prepare for a dump....

yeah we all know that countless upcoming forks of suspicious chinese one man armies are the only way bitcoin can retain its "value"

Thats where you're wrong kiddo. Look at the github and filter those developers which did more than 1 commit and did not just changed a typo...you're left with basically 5-10 persons

I have no idea why you guys keep on comparing BTC/BCH like a neverending narrative
I just said, that you have 5-10 developers on core and that the security i.e. mining is as centralized as it can get. Get over it. I don't care about BCH.

saved my btc by converting to xrp 

why don't you all just accept our fate that a fully decentralized crypto-currency is not possible
so, we'll somehow end where we started...

buy ripple  

BTC at 1000$ was organic, the rest was pure pump&dump, don't be naive
Every! time BTC was declining there was a massive pump out of a sudden (tether?!) and it went on for days

7tx/s, 25$ fees and 8 year old tech are history old man, the future is now and the market has decided

or just ride the wave if you are a believer, i'm just playing around and made 50% more btc in the last two days

38% marketshare, it was a honor serving with you guys 

wow totally natural non washtraded price increase  

as long as the network congestion/high-fees aren't resolved, bitcoin will not move anywhere - currently ripple does up to 1500tx/s with low-fees
btc and eth are currently mostly gateway coins
premined does not mean "not decentralized", IOTA and Cardano have interesting concepts
let alone the fact that botcoin and his brother buttcoin are also centralized through China-SHA256 and extremly resource hungry
who do you think will own the master-nodes for LN?  

the problem is the distribution of the coins for the premined projects, i guess the creators have the most, but that is also a problem with btc and early adopters

currently btc can't cope with much more new users - a price of 50k$ is not justified
will you pay 100$ transaction fee? - i wanted to buy some cardano and converted my btc to eth before transaction

inb4 ripple shiller: i sold my stash at 20ct  

I'm always amazed by the price devlopement, look at the KRW chart of BTC, 10% pump (washtrading) in 2h.
The pump in KRW is already gone but still alive in USD. Somehow i feel better that i don't have any real money invested...just playing around

i still don't understand how a market (that big) moves simultaneously with some small exceptions
looks like prices are a complete manipulated mess

like at 15k$,14k$,13k$ and 12k$?

you circle-jerks amuse me

Print more tethers 

stop lickin' those toads

so transaction fees have actually halved  

i mean in $ 

A clever gambler slices in and slices out, thats why i sold halve of my stash yesterday...better save than sorry

Good that we both agree here, that BTC should be at 1000$, the value at which it was useable as a P2P-currency

400M Tether in 4 days?

BTC dips (again) below 10k$...10min later...100M$ Tether printed...price rices unnaturally by ~10% within minutes...can't explain that

yep, when it goes up...it's natural...when it goes down its manipulation and FUD

so you bitcoiners admit its a scam just to keep your greed driving...

so you just hope that nobody is going to redeem the tethers for real USD? ... that might happen faster than you think, especially when price will go lower than 10k$

i told people here to cash out at 12k$, which i did...mostly...still some shitcoins on binance


when that happens, people will panic and buy as much coins as possible to transfer them to "real" exchanges...the results will be hilarious

That's what they did - federal reserve banking including massive price manipulation through bots

tx/block went down 30% and ~20% too fast mining over the last 7 days

not looking good 
USDT/USD Pair on Kraken

You don't seem to understand what i was posting - kraken.com is the only exchange where you can convert USDT into USD - Bittrex only allows USDT

Tether Confirms Its Relationship With Auditor Has 'Dissolved'

250$ Premium on Bitfinex means, People selling USDT for Coins, not necessarily trying to sell for USD but mostly doing so. USDT/USD on Kraken also trades already with 1% loss. Look at the cumulative volume on kraken  
There could be funny divergences in the next days. Like 15k$ on Bitfinex and 12k$ on GDAX. Then you'll know that the shit hits the fan.

Oh god why are not understanding this 
People are rushing to the exit of Tether. They buy all the coinz on tether exchanges because nobody will be the one holding the tether-bags.
So in the end: Tether-exhanges will have a massive! premium to non-tether exchanges.

Its not about bitfinex, its about tether. Count the number of exchanges with real! USD support - Coinbase, Bitstamp, Gemini and Kraken - thats it.
Now imagine "the market" realizes that there are 2.2Billion worthless "USD" in the system, which where used to pump up the price from 1k$ to 20k$.
Somebody will be the bagholder for those 2.2Billion.

some of you seem to suffer from some form of cognitive dissonance
what is cheap? what is expensive? only because we reached 20k$ doesn't mean 10k$ is cheap in comparison, if that price was reached through fraudulent activities.
You just have that anchor of "20k$" which serves as a basis of price evaluation.

Don't forget that the bitcoin engine has to be filled by about 10 Million $ every fucking day to keep the price stable!

hold your butts

Bloomberg: Crypto exchange Bitfinex, tether said to get subpoenaed by CFTC

Think about 2.3 Billion of liquidity is going to be removed from 10 billion...
Think about that 20 Million $ can move the market by 5-10%, then a 2.3 Billion Market order (in the worst case) will move bitcoin where?

People are in tether to avoid bitcoin. So a rational gambler would indeed buy bitcoins but would dump them later for cash.

You aren't THAT dump? A 500 Billion MarketCap doesn't mean you can sell all the coinz for 500 Billion  
A 2 Billion cashout would crash the market to the bottom

is it true that withdrawals are disabled on bitfinex?

You clearly do not  

We've seen in the last 3 weeks that 15-20 Million $ are enough to move the market by 7-10%. Look at the past "pumps" at 10k$ and the needed volume.
Dumping 2 Billion would crash BTC to 3 digits...

correct


No it doesn't work that way. There are 1-2 leading exchanges and the rest follows through arbitrage. If Bitfinex or GDAX dumps hard, every exchange would dump.

Yeah HODL while I SODL  

I am poor again  

*boom*

haha 600 buy wall disappeared 

bs thats likely fraud...you can even buy it on binance cheaper with tether
i just watched the exchange and it just haltet at 9000$ with amount: 0

the real cash exchanges lead the drop GAX and bitstamp: 8700$, kraken: 6900€

but there's likely some arbitrage going on between all of them, look at the tether-bot at kraken, its the biggest scam in crypto ever, and its unfolding

  its getting ridiculous

bitfinex: 9010$, gdax: 8600$

The kraken usdt honey pot is almost empty  

This is just finex playing games in thin orderbooks...it went from 8900 to 9300 in seconds...this is no market

if you look at bitfinex you saw (massive) walls of 500-600 BTC at 9000$ and 8750$. When the walls start to get eaten they magically disappear  
talk about buying time 

you're stupid...this walls get removed the moment someone sells into them, oldest trick ever

7960$ on GDAX   - you're welcome

ok,ok i'm repeatin' myself, but could you please buy the dip, because...hm...last time cheap coinz, you know

That happens when you throw your money in a pyramid scheme in the hope to get-rich-quick
Somebody has to hold the bags for the "early investors"

I know the feels when your gains are practically reduced to one third, i lost 100 bucks  

is bitfinex insolvent?

you mean that fake walls of 300BTC that just keep disappearing  

down we go

Haha, you're the one who kept telling people to HODL while you sold parts of your stash

yeah and bitmain is getting fucking rich with it, heaving more revenue than nvidia

gold rush - shovels 

that just shows how shallow the market is

if less than 1% of supply can push the price ~70% down, one might wonder what happens if 2-3 whales just cash out, that can happen every day 

  look at you - here i fixed it for you "snowball-system"

so basically you're just a useless member of society and hoping to sell your bunch of 0 and 1s for more than what you've paid for

someone has to work for your food and shelter, well but maybe you're lucky and find some idiot to do it for you
ah and i forgot, in the end, whenever that may be, you all want to cash out to that filthy fiat


BTC? i thought we just HODL it to the moon without spending it?

yes, last time below 10k$
here hold my bags

Lucky for you, you got relatively early in the pyramid

it won't be 10x from today in 1 year

kraken knows, whats good for you

HODL!

the price is a shitshow of manipulation

trade flat - pump it 500$ - trade flat - dump it again

thats the spirit

market declines - go short - bitfinex pumps - get rekt
market increases  - go long - bitfinex dumps - get rekt

That will be a loooooong HODL   

as BTC failed as a P2P currency the circlejerks proposed to use it a store of value 
fantastic, how long do i have to HODL my fiat until inflation its up 70% of its value?

  totally organic growth through exactly two! washtraded pumps

take your guesses, when will it dump? i expect 9k$

No these evil bankster loading up cheap coinz!!! 

Look at bitfinex - large buy-walls - bots place their orders before it - price climbs - you can't explain that

1.5k$ decline in one week - 1k$ increase in 1 day - only in buttcoin

BS - metcalf's law is about efficiency - and we all know how Bitcoin behaves with more users

Bluebits is right - its a pyramid and unsustainable through itself - there has to be a constant! inflow of money to keep the price on point! - absurd - If everyone HODLs price will decline
There's even that MtGox study which shows that without blatant manipulation price almost always declines. And this is what we are seeing the whole time.
Price declines - pump it up through wash-trading, spoofing, tethers - price declines - repeat

No, we're going to 9k$ first - you've to give them bitcoiners at least a bit of hope

Front running by insiders by knowing that 300Mio$ Tethers will be printed - price increased - you can't explain that
300Mio$ Tether will be used to pump BTC to 11k$ - you can't explain that

 

hurry up, last time to buy bitcoin above 8000

forget the /s   

stop comparing an actual company with your magic funbux tokens nobody cares about

aaaand the hopes are crushed...again 

You are a special kind of person - are you?

Nobody sits in front of a screen making trading decisions - its all computer algos
You are looking at weeks of bots hunting margin traders - what a beautiful live