Send wires. Every chinese national is entitled to $50k / year conversion.

I'd be more inclined to believe that if I hadn't received a SEPA transfer from Bitstamp this morning.

I read Wall Gone as Well Done lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F - this is why we dont have electric cars

Yeah , they know how many coins they have lost and how many usd they have thrown out of the window.

Please show me where I claimed electric cars save the environment or money. Hint: I wouldn't bother wasting your time.

But since you brought it up, a quick Google search shows many more articles confirming that green cars are better for the environment. But I don't know since I haven't really looked into any science behind it. I'm sure since you seem to be a global warming denier (in other words you choose to ignore the facts inconvenient to your conspiracy-laden worldview) that you'd find just as many links supporting your argument at lunatic fringe sites.

The point, as with religion, is neither one of us has time to do detailed research so you choose either to live in a world of science or fantasy. When it comes to conspiracies we can't always know the machinations behind everything we do. It is fun to go down the rabbit hole and not as easy to climb back out. One either climbs back out or, to his detriment, gets mired in it.

But, you know, spend your life as you please. If that's as an angry, old, toothless, shut-in cooter sitting in a rocking chair facing the front door, with one hand on a stack of gold coins and the other on a shotgun, keeping an eye on your jug of moonshine close by, then so be it.


Eekgad... you don't really want to go down this path do you? I mean, adding in calculations for all conceivable ecological/shipping costs for combustion versus electric cars? What's the point? Too tedious. All autos take money to produce and ship. All autos take money to produce the energy/storage upon which they feed. There are pros and cons.


Hyperbole much? Conspiracy fueled, consistently misspelled, mindless hillbilly ranting. Bitcoin is perfect for you!

My vote for world's biggest con is organized deity worship mythology, i.e., religion. You wouldn't happen to also be one'a dem dere Jesus dimwits, would you?

another 400 dumped

I'm glad we are getting rid of you dumpers  

Only if you compare it to some wannabe fiat currency that keeps swings like crazy.

Compared to a real honest fiat currency, it seems to be doing well:

https://coinplorer.com/Charts?fromCurrency=DOGE&toCurrency=USD

Where do you find a real honest fiat currency ?

You are in the wrong mindset. In a year's time it won't matter if you got on at 646, 570, 720, or even 850. It'll all look almost the same. Get on whenever you have fiat.

Take it from my experience, if you try to get on and off looking for the lowest price, you'll either be left behind when the next upward correction starts, or will slowly bleed away on fees.

Let it be done now PLS.

Break that $400 barrier again

and level out with stamp. Stop this bs.

How to lose half a million dollars instantly.

you are joking right?...anyone holding ~$11,000+ of my money in limbo i'd be a little haired! =\

Could you elaborate what you mean precisely? What I understand as arbitrage is buying at one place to sell at the other to pocket the difference. Do you just mean that people will send increased amounts of money to Bitstamp if they see the price lower than elsewhere?

Once withdrawn from Gox there should be no need to dump elsewhere as you already profited from the low buy price, still i guess the fear of others blind dumping may spark a race and bring down the price.
Am i missing something?

Its just going to take them longer. Probably 2-3 more days is my guess. Meanwhile, as more people like yourself panic, the more free bitcoins I pick up over at bitcoinbuilder.

I live in the US

....................

Judging from the responses to the news, a lot of people were short. I was too. Now I'm long (for the short term). This really can't be seen as bad news; they are saying withdrawals will be enabled on Thursday, and most of the speculation was about them not having the amount of coins that they should. I'm just worried now about the dispersion of btc from the Mega-Whale that has been dumping 1000+ per hour for a few days on gox.

BTC in cold storage stored off premises.

security reasons may make it wise not to keep 100,000 bitcoin on hand

Actually - allowing limited withdrawals makes sense - they must fear a 'run' on BTC either crashing the exchange (with it's new software fix being untested, too) - or meaning they have so little liquidity that their business is finished.

Allowing 'some' withdrawals will mean people wish to hold BTC instead of Fiat, which will inflate the price on Gox, and at this point, some people might decide to stay.

If Gox is clever, it will still have a business left.   Don't get me wrong - I will be the first in the queue to get out, but it is a logical solution.

I did think this was their only logical way out (assuming they really do intend to stay in the game).

Yes, but if they limit it to xx BTC per day and one tx per day, and (then maybe say) have a time delay for 'verification' - it will reduce both the crash risk and the risk of a depletion of all liquidity on the 'exchange'.

@TERA

Have you read the statement?  

At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/
monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take
into account current market conditions.


@magicmexican.

Amen.

You already know that I am totally ignorant on how bitcoin works, and too old to learn; so forgive me for asking:

* How many weeks does it take for the network to process a transfer of a few thousand bitcoins from MtGOX's cold wallet to MtGOX's hot wallet? 

* How many such transfers from the same wallet can the network handle per month?

* If bitcoins were transferred into a wallet using certain custom software, can they be transferred out using a different software?

* If so, how much would MtGOX have to pay for a software that they could use to process the pending withdrawals, while they fix theirs?

You may counter with 'people will then deposit BTC in to Gox to arb the premium'  but let's see....

I guess we should quit picking on Jorge.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y4rx2/moronic_monday_ask_all_the_question_you_are/

Possible, but I doubt it. The shutdown had nothing to do with lack of funds, it was due to a cyber attack on a bug.

Once again, fucking hilarious.

Why did this "marketing manager in online gambling games" not publish this 4 days ago when Gox announced downtime.

What a shit dick. It's real easy to just go at something and scream and yell shit once something has happend.

Now that Gox put out a statement, people get new shit to bitch at. Lmao.

It's not foolish at all, provided you can live with the probable loss. It's like betting a number on the roulette wheel that pays off 50 to 1.

So we agree the risk/reward ratio is low enough. I think there is a greater than 50% chance you'll lose, but if you win, you'll more than double up. The problem is that this market moves so quickly that by the time you realize your profits, you may miss out on several other opportunities. Range trading to scoop up 2% per swing seems boring, but it's a guaranteed profit if you don't care if you're either fiat or BTC heavy when price moves to a new range.

The current range:
I publicly called the Feb 9 $530 as the bottom. I sold a tiny bit on the bounce, bought it back at $550.
I sold at $678, so I missed a little bit of the bounce and now I'm waiting for lows again under $600. I don't really care if it goes higher, though. I have BTC set aside for trading higher ranges. Only going lower than $550 will necessitate me depositing fresh fiat.

Mark is saying its not trivial because of the intense security measures in place for the cold storage.

Someone suggested that he could tell the addresses and move the bitcoins among his addresses so prove that they are his.

They moved all their servers without a trading halt?

Non related but have you guys seen that laszlo is back. Bitcoin pizza legend. He says he spent all his coins back then on those pizzas.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109.msg5149151#msg5149151

I'm relatively late adopter but was extremely lucky and successful trader and it's shame that I gain more wealth from Bitcoin than guy who contributed much more than I am (he also have built first GPU miner or one of the first and made it open source for community instead of mining the hell out of it)

I've sent him 1 BTC and I hope more people will join and tip laszlo.

Yes, if he is insolvent that can put him in jail.

By the way they are not insolvent, I think the price discount is due to the fact that nobody knows when the btc withdrawals will begin, the more we wait, more selling pressure will be.

Not for me - but I just can't see a fix being ready today - or even next week.

Andreas said 'four weeks' in his opinion  - who knows...?

Looks like I can say bye-bye to my 11 BTC on Gox 

MTGOX released the actual version of their announcement , here it is.

Dear Dumbasses,"
"
You are so dumb and retarded for being patient this week, while we are working on initiating bitcoin
withdrawals into our own personal accounts. In addition to the technical issue, some dumbasses have been stopping us at our front door and crying about their bitcoins, and as a result our frappuccinos had to be drank at undesirable temperatures, so we had to relocate MtGox to our previous office building in Shibuya (details can be found here https://support.mtgox.com/home). The move,
combined with some other security and technical challenges, pushed back our progress of stealing your coins."
"
As we are smarter than all you dumbasses we will only provide an “update on an update”, while we nick you coins. We are committed to stealing every last one of your coins and will provide more fud as soon
as possible to keep everyone in the loop."
"
We do not give a flying fuck about the delays and deeply appreciate your kind fucking dumbness and
continuous retarded behaviour."
 "
Best regards,"
"
"
MtGox Team

P.S. You've been fuckin GOXXED

I kinda want to gamble and buy small amount of goxbtc for 0.38, but cannot pull the trigger yet

About 50% of the last few minutes of messages explain to you that it is not a problem, and yet you still don't read them....

Sorry, my mistake.

People who are scared of Bitcoin regulation are dumbest souls on the planet.

It+s the most bullish thing ever to happen to Bitcoin.

how are you getting btc from gox over to bitcoinbuilder?   I have never heard of bitcoinbuilder...

I got myself 1 goxcoin for 0.38, now its on the pump!

No one has provided any evidence they have competent coding either. 

Let me guess, yours bids are below 500 ??  

http://www.mtgoxtakeover.com/?q=msg

 

Well its Monday morning in Japan already, don't you think if they had good news, it would be released first thing in the morning?

could be just someone finally arbitraging

Changed to 500 wall on BTCbuilder

Starting to feel that "we're being played" feeling.
Still want to buy everything I can but Stamp withdrawal is taking effing ages.

I bet those real btc will come to stamp, red fireworks party soon guys 

sucks bfx isn't hooked up

wall was removed...

Edit: which IRC node BTW ? Gox node is not working for me... is it working for anyone? I tried to join few times but I couldn't.

yeah was just @ #mtgox.. magical tux is in there.. so at least we know he isn't pawning his computer to pay off debts

his nick is in #mtgox there is no talking privileges there though

Nice computer graphics reconstruction, here is a photo if anyone cares:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Malla_mõisa_peahoone_2012.jpg

https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malla_mõis

I wonder if all Gox emails, support tickets, PR statements and other communications will be added to the Karpeles Manuscript Library?
http://www.rain.org/~karpeles/

he's talking about seizures, problems they've had with banks etc in the past

the coins are gone, 'temporary unavailable' means he hoped he could make it back over time following the crisis strategy

Generally it goes in so called "waves", which means that it will next hit 500. This enables the experienced traders to make money on the markets at the expense of the inexperienced.

Anyway, Where the fuck is the CEO of Bitcoin and why doesnt he save all of us? 

Hi im new here.
yesterday i put short on 520$. I still hope we will see retest at arround 500$.

If the company is well known and can win back trust (e.g. by implementing a proof-of-ownership for all funds) I'm sure many people would. Also MK would need to be driven away with a large stick first.

What most of you seem to not understand is that one of the biggest results of this Gox fiasco is that many many coins are going into encrypted jump drives and paper wallets. They are not Beany Babies. They are Faberge eggs. There are going to get scarce. Really scarce.

I'm pulling most of my holdings off the exchanges. I should have done it long ago. You can figure out for yourself what this will do to the price.

Of course it is OK to buy coins on other exchanges from the exchange's customers and withdrawing them.

What is not OK is buying a big lump of those coins in private from the exchange without the clients' knowledge. 

That is just a theory, of course (I still think that it is more likely than the stupid malleability hack.  Both theories depend on sheer stupidity, but mine also has a greed motive.

Frrom the charts, I see that there were long periods when the price was stable.  Perhaps MtGOX expected the price to remain stable for another couple of months, or that it would rise slowly so that they would have time to reverse the deal.

In my theory, the sale would probably have happened off-market, in large lots.  Suppose that a big investor contacted MtGOX and offered to buy 1,000,000 BTC from their cold storage at 15$ each, when the market price was 10$.  Would they let that opportunity pass?

I like it!
Best promo for bitcoin ever!

Combine future tech with future tech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu7tMD3ufKI

Ah.

Is that the reason why so many people are so anxious to save MtGOX, even with a radical haircut on their balances, rather than liquidating it?

I'm enjoying this hypothetical forking question  

This is certainly not the point in time where a fork were to be actually considered but there might come a day where this becomes the case.
In a sense this is the ultimate strength of the system and the reason why cryptocurrencies are here to stay.
No regulation or external influence can stop a new spawn from emerging

he just wants to get your goxcoins cheap.

Probably the second one, I mentioned it on Gox bankruptcy thread. It makes me wonder if it would be good thing to buy some GoxBTC if price fails more.

Of course this is bullish news - there are about 850.000 BTC less in the market than what the market thought: Everybody on Gox thought they had BTC - when in fact they didn't.

So the market now lacks those 850.000 BTC which means less supply at same demand... You do the math.

Yes - but a lot of market actors actually have less Bitcoin than they previously thought (everybody with balances at gox). All those that want to replenish their positions will exert buying pressure on the market. Or am I missing something here?

for me there are two legitimate options regarding the "unavailable" coins

1) confiscation by some authority (most likely after all the stuff i read) - short and long term extremely bullish

2) he lost the private keys (even thogh supply is much shorter that is extremely bearish due to the public picture that even the oldest exchange cannot handle the technical issues around the currency, how should average joe do that?)

and one option that does not make sense

3) 840k (!) coins are stolen (without noticing), that is almost 1000 coins per day since the time mtgox is operating

is this true?

I thought they filed for bankruptcy.

I don't know Japanese law, but I have seen a Canadian company go through a bankruptcy protection. Some people at the company were fired, some quit, some stayed... Within 2 years they were back to business as usual. Admittedly, I watched this from the outside, I have no idea of the internal workings of the procedure.

$32.43m/$55m = 59%

theoretically this is what you get back

I wonder if the coins are included in the figures

http://pastebin.com/LPm3jBG7

fake?

IN my humble opinion... you are over calculating such biases in people... in some simplified version of the world... NO hating on you... ..

It is just that I see your view of human nature as WAY TOO simplified...   People are much more informed in terms of their actions and reactions than you give them credit... and they gamble based on their information.. .which may be correct or incorrect...  but it is NOT merely some wishful view of the world... as you make it out to be...   .. 

I would agree if we were on a week day, but its sunday, lets wait tomorrow shall we?

nope from now until june we are in a gradual climb to $800. July 1st-10th the spike to 5-9k peak will happen, then 3k~ to end of year for the next spike sometime April 2015.

http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110

 

Well maybe it is someone (most probably the same guys pretending to be bears on this forum) who is longtime bullish on bitcoin and has lost his btc on mtgox. His funds might finally have arrived at the exchanges.

So, IMO the big question is not "if" they knew they were short of customer's money because it is painfully obvious THEY KNEW, the big question is: WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO???

$5.5M are held by Department of Home Security (the "Dwolla situation") and $5.3M by Coinlab, that's clear. But where did the rest of the money go, as they are claming they have a hole of $22M? We need to factor in that they have made +$10M in trading fees during the last year, so in reality the missing money is at least $32M...

Crazy stuff, you really can't make this shit up.

Not really. Here and there 50+ btc buys and the bid wall at 602 has increased by 200btc or so a minute ago.

When I look at the volume at btc-e and support to minus 20$, I think the wahles moved to Bitstamp, not btc-e

I lost 15 BTC on alts lately and hold some where I'm in at least as much losing positions. I hoped for another week or two of drops to continue, it would be time to buy lot of them but we might not see it if BTC rise.

I don't do any potential alts, I just trade on historical lows and highs range. I lost these trades because I was trading some newer alts when it was too early to figure out that range. The ones I haven't sold but am in unrealized loss are ones where I wrongly anticipated some events that never happened and bought pretty high.

Seriously guys, stop posting these images, I wont be able to open this thread at the office....

Actually those pictures won't screw you over at the office. Bitcointalk proxies them, and most offices just look at offending domains.

If you have your boss staring at you 24/7 yeah then that won't help you. But is he OK with you checking bitcointalk.org all the time then?

So, what's consensus here, do we still trust this run?

I kinda never did it wholeheartedly and it doesn't look like I'll do yet. I think I'm just going to wait for another 30-40$ at least to enter. That's not big difference in long run.

Better buy now, $620 will fall. This guy is not a joker. Not sure if $620 will hold.

With this wall probably 10k in 12h.

Previous walls got totally eaten

Amazing how one guy can turn a bunch of bears "100% bullish" with a little capital?

Where is the guy that was happy to send 50k$ via OKPay to MtGOX? How are you feeling now and what are you doing to recover your money?

TheKoziTwo?

Hm only 4 blocks the last 2h. And over 4000 transactions are waiting. The last 6 blocks had a average of 932 transactions...

what is the guy who dumped the 10K BTC was buying back and that was that whale ?

Just got some great news. Got a refund from €8560,- by a broker. I've lost this 2 weeks ago by trading MTgox, seems my stop loss didnt work out by the cause of a maintenance, and it wasnt my fault afterall.

Shit, I was too greedy waiting for lower LTC, bought only 300 at 0.0213

they trade cny/ltc. currently its Ĩ110.00/LTC, as far as i know you can only deposit CNY on btcchina.

I am so fucking angry, I decided to buy around 1500 LTC today when I saw it was around 0.022, I sent my BTC to BTC-e and I was waiting for confirmations, I had 3 confirmations already but they didn't credit my account, went to smoke a cigarette and drink my coffee came back to see LTC at 0.025 !!!! WTF !!! I was so fucking angry, I didn't know what was happening looked at news and just to see BTCchina adding it... ok I had 7 confirmations and still didn't get my account credited, I went to smoke another cigarette came back the price was at 0.0265 then I got credit and bought at 0.026


I was thinking about buying yesterday, but I didn't do it.... now I am going to hold for that 0.05

Nice

But this rally ended my dreams of buying 20k LTC, I was hoping for another November when it went deep into 0.01s  

I am still wishing for a day where I can buy my BTC and LTC at one professional exchange like Bitstamp...

Bloomberg = https://rtbtc.com maybe?

Now branded as Zeroblock trading platform.

Wtf was this on bitstamp $634 sale order, also minimum on bitstamp when order book is full.

everything's on track tho

-> https://www.tradingview.com/e/eKyhwaqZ/

Two orders went through

{"date": "1393957577", "tid": 3913507, "price": "633.64", "amount": "12.23303074"}, {"date": "1393957576", "tid": 3913506, "price": "633.64", "amount": "0.14733528"}

I pm'd Mark on irc, asking if he is working on re-opening the exchange and he said yes.

Did not expect that he would react to my questions

Yes, pay on time, not via an exchange...

The 15m window is in place to avoid the volatility risk.

This was a single event glitch that happened during an update being rolled out to our live trading engine. The update is now deployed and the trade engine is functioning normally.

I had this happen around the holidays once. I had already made quite a few purchases with no issues. Weeks later I tried to make a large purchase at Gyft and it timed out. It was kinda scary. "Did I just lose $1000?" I contacted Gyft and they replied quickly however it took a few days to get refunded. So, loss for Gyft (in that they lost my business since I didn't rebuy), loss for me (since I was trying to get Gyft's extra % discount only available for 24 hours).

It definitely made me wonder how practical it was. It certainly made me realize it couldn't be "the currency of the internet" if it had this many problems being used on the internet. I hold out hope the tools to use it will improve.

Bitstamp leaked their customer email addresses by the way, that's why all the new phishing attempts. Reminiscent of Emptygox 2011. Fuck all the operating major Bitcoin exchanges.

Is that hate directed at bitcoin itself?  I believe it is directed at the bitcoin pushers and hypers.

The message they get across is "if you don't invest in bitcoin, you must be very stupid indeed".  Well, guess what, people don't have much love for those who call them idiots...

Gyft took care of it and refunded.

in opportunity costs, it's well north of a billion. Millions of unpaid man hours of work. I don't think it's legit to count opportunity costs, because that's not how infrastructure costs are usually calculated.

Probability of break out in the next 4 hours: 55.6%

Can someone post a re-print?
I clicked on the link and got "You have reached the limit of 5 free articles a month" even though I never visited their site before!

.

If this man is indeed Satoshi he can only flee from potential robbers by provably removing his wealth.

Because he probably holds the keys himself (do you think he would trust a bank's safe deposit box or anyone but himself?), and thus could easily be targeted. Torture, kidnapping, blackmail. It's like he's storing hundreds of millions of dollars in cash in his home, and everybody knows about it.

How long before someone Photoshops the Bitcoin symbol onto his hat?

Also, bitcoinwisdom is absolute garbage and I wish people would stop using it.

Data reveals:
Largest  balance is 44K BTC which has not been accessed since 13/7/12
Next largest is 43K BTC last accessed on 25/2/14
It continues with 10 more  5000+ BTC balances where the accounts have not been accessed 2012.

Is this normal to not show any lower bids?

2K BTC is nothing. That's not a "dump". The real problem is that there is nobody buying.

i don't get it. he has bought 300+ btc in five minutes but he could have dropped the market another 30 - 40 bucks and gotten the same result.

ltc is a bit more interesting today

My first thought is 'I wonder if I can keep this guy from killing me for my boots'

I'd put greed and sex far before fighting.

BFX has grown significantly and I think its comparable in size to btc-e, not counting litecoin or other alts. BFX doesn't need coins on their BSP account; they have more than enough on their own books. You really think someone is shorting 10k btc on max leverage on bfx when someone could easily buy a large chunk if not all at once, especially now since they have had a lot of time to get their money ready and think about that decision? They could lose a few million very fast if someone does decide to buy into that wall, given that they are shorting. We can speculate about whether or not there are major players on bfx and its hard to tell, but I think there are now just because it is the best way to short bitcoin, which has attracted many traders. No one would risk so much money by shorting 10k btc on the assumption that no one can or will buy into their wall. The reward of possibly buying at most few hundred slightly cheap coins is nothing compared to that risk. And the fact that this person is advertising the wall, putting it for a few hours every day, suggests that they are trying to sell the coins.

Just received this one:

LOL what do you think...
It's funny they use the Gox address though while they're impersonating BTC-E, as if the creators of scam e-mails don't even want to put in the effort to make a decent one. I mean come on.

tons of fucking support doe

I believe in DGC.  I jumped on because of the huge community.  I believe it is second only to Bitcoin right now?  Not really worried about the current crash.  It has been this low before and I just hit myself for not buying in time.  It will be alright long term.

haha, but its going up again... such rally, wow

Apologies if this has already been posted or opened up for discussion - but what do you all think of the NY regulators proposal to accept applications for regulated bitcoin exchanges in the US?

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/po_vc_03112014.pdf

Be skeptical to this atlasats thing. The MarketWatch "article" has the guy behind it bragging about their own network and blah blah. Meanwhile, it's hosted on Amazon EC2. Amazon EC2 is mostly used to host scams, spambots and that sort of thing. Anyone who runs a webserver will tell you that their logs are full of attack attempts from Amazon EC2, your best of putting a -j DROP on their entire IP-range.

In other news, Crayon Pop is about to release a new single: http://www.soompi.com/2014/03/12/crayon-pop-takes-off-helmet-and-dons-hanbok-for-upcoming-new-single/#.UyGHF3XZKXl

0/10 points for your ignorant troll, you should not troll again.

reuters.com > 206.132.6.134
206.132.0.0/19 SAVVI-3 NOC99-ARIN

linkedin.com > 216.52.242.86
LinkedIn Corporation INAP-LAX-LINKEDIN-38682 (NET-216-52-242-0-1) 216.52.242.0 - 216.52.242.255
Internap Network Services Corporation PNAP-8-98 (NET-216-52-0-0-1) 216.52.0.0 - 216.52.255.255

netflix.com > 69.53.236.17
69.53.224.0/19 NETWO560-ARIN Netflix Inc

according to this research, dpr still has 488k coins (mark hodling for him? )

Damn, all this philosophy in last 10-15 pages makes this thread boring 

This is where you slip up. It is an IOU from the state which people trust enough to trade between themselves as if it had value.

How were things looking this time last year?

No, if you trade one work hour for a dinner, indirectly using money, at the money stage the state does not owe you neither the work hour nor the dinner. The system trust I talk about, falls on the state, in case of fiat money, only because they produce the money and manage the supply. In other kinds of money, like gold or bitcoin, the state is not involved in the production or the management, therefore it is easier to see the difference between trust between traders, and trust to the system.

since its quite boring in here go have a look at this thread..

-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20336.0

EPIC BUMP

UK only  but the guy has a load of other vids Thanks.

Seriosly, fuck this geofencing shit! Why do I need to bother with proxies and shit? I hope those media companies die in a fire. Fuck! Even if I lived there, I would not see any of their adverts, because that shit is blocked. Not cool, man.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303795904579433222564439410

CCMF? 

So the taxpayers get to pay more tax to afford the extra development so that they can stop everyone else from watching what's already been paid for... Genius!

How could I know? You just press "Post" and 10 replies have been posted already...

Edit: Found it... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.110820

That is why this back and forth communication with you is getting NO WHERE - b/c you keep insisting that your being part of a community is coercion... and you give way too much weight to this coercion aspect - to the extent that taxes are mandatory and a part of civil society, and almost anywhere in the world has some taxes.. though there is variation.  If you are an American (or another western country), you have won the lottery, b/c you can move almost anywhere in the world with your passport and find some haven that has little to no taxes.  What country are you from?   You seem to want the benefits of being part of a community, but you do NOT want to pay into that community's rate of taxation.

Literally?    I do not want to get caught up in the meaning of literally. 

Anyhow, part of the reason that we have some of this back and forth communication on this topic is b/c we have differing understandings on some terms, including the term coercion.  So, at this point, I am a little unclear about the point that you are making Dreamspark?  Did you want to chime in to clarify what is so clear about coercion and why living in society is coercion? 

There are people from third world countries who are fighting for the chance to live in america, in spite of all its supposedly "coercive" taxes.

Adam, time to close this damn thread and make a new one....

This shit has gone Mexico

  You do NOT agree or you believe that I am missing something, so why go on about it?

YES... YOU ARE VERY possible to converse with.   hehehehe

   You throw out a personal attack and then you say, o.k... no need for me to respond.


Let me just say, the reason that I am saying that we do NOT need to go on about this particular topic is that if we cannot agree upon basic definitions (such as the application of coercion in government and I have been addressing variations of this question in various places for nearly 20 more than 50 pages), then we are NOT going to agree about other conclusions that are built upon those definitions.  

Personally, I do NOT find it fruitful or productive to spend time discussing things with people in circumstances in which we do NOT agree about fundamental definitions.   Sometimes we may go around and around the bush several times, and then figure out that we do agree on a redefinition of our original disagreement, yet I am just saying why go around and around the bush several times when it does NOT really matter that much.  I would rather talk about bitcoin related stuff b/c  I do NOT feel that I need to resolve these role of government matters ... NOT at the moment....  

Several posters have already made their points on the role of government topic in several ways... though I get the sense that probably, a few of us are NOT completely exhausted, yet, and accordingly, the discussion is NOT quite over, yet.  hehehe...

TO DA MOON

Yes.  Insult and then ignore. 

Listening is half of the conversation, which you have chosen NOT to do.... 

did the 630 wall get devoured or did it get pulled?

what stolen coins?

what did I miss?

Nice try
But total bullshit

No
I've better thing to do than made up some theory to fit my position

Breaking the trend going down. There's not much volume, but I think everyone's tensed up and waiting for the slightest sign.

Could we make the polls a little bit more serious ?
That is, leave "yes", "no" and "idk" but remove the moronic all caps options ?

Has blockchain.info been down for a long time?

Nice, it's seems btc growing up in force!

Block 291159: 260000 BTC  

http://blockexplorer.com/

we are heading to 400$

It is just a matter of time before we are back in the black.... anywhere between a day and 2 months... - hopefully, it will NOT take 2 months to get back in the black, though....  

it means he bought in at X price and hopes to be back to about even in  up to 2 month

c. De-Centralized Virtual Currencies

            A final type of convertible virtual currency activity involves a de-centralized convertible virtual currency (1) that has no central repository and no single administrator, and (2) that persons may obtain by their own computing or manufacturing effort.

            A person that creates units of this convertible virtual currency and uses it to purchase real or virtual goods and services is a user of the convertible virtual currency and not subject to regulation as a money transmitter. By contrast, a person that creates units of convertible virtual currency and sells those units to another person for real currency or its equivalent is engaged in transmission to another location and is a money transmitter. In addition, a person is an exchanger and a money transmitter if the person accepts such de-centralized convertible virtual currency from one person and transmits it to another person as part of the acceptance and transfer of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency.


Doesn't this imply that anyone who sells a cryptocurrency for fiat is a money transmitter? So not just the exchanges but anyone who sells bitcoin for cash?

Greetings from my latest journey to S-E-Asia.
A full Bitcoin sponsored trip(shorting profits  )stuffed with a huge package of Acid bought with BTC.   
I just wanted to let you know that iīm still bullish about BTC after i talked to the local bulls over here,
altough it might take a few days until they will fully attack.





If you could please pump it to about 900$ that would be awesome

See you soon

Btw while btc is bleeding in the street - love these posts by people who sold off to bagholders flashing cash and mansions.

So much for the dream between you guys and karplese I don't know who to thank more ;-)