All posts made by RejectedBanana in Bitcointalk.org's Wall Observer thread



1. Post 4413161 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.53h):



http://buswk.co/1di4qLq

If only I could fart bitcoin out my unicorn ass! Cheesy



2. Post 4413415 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.53h):

Quote from: niothor on January 09, 2014, 06:23:19 PM
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Awesome poster

Awesome background story on it...

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-09/bitcoin-dreams-bloomberg-businessweeks-cover-with-unicorn



3. Post 4430522 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):


You can now buy ethical diamond rings with Bitcoin:

Do Amore Rings
http://www.doamore.com


Interesting business model for this startup... a portion of their profits fund clean water projects in developing countries providing clean water for two for life.

On the checkout screen, you can pay with Bitcoin. Nice surprise, not at all advertised up front. Ethical startups like this need all the help they can get!

So get out there and pop the question!  Grin



4. Post 17956405 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.04h):

Come on everybody, time for some celebratory Haiku...

Oh joyous teacup
May your handle be short-lived!
Willy is so proud



5. Post 21834902 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 14, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
I don't know Why but i Just want to make same ATH guess like last time
Rules ....: the one  with the right date of ATH gets .25 btc paid directly  (UTC time)    (closest to ATH.....)
I look to Every page in here from now When a date is picked first iT cannot been taken again ( 1st =1st)
Another .25 btc is rewarded for ho makes best of technical analyse of the time When we strike ATH.... and Why iT happens at that time.....
So This .25 also only to been payed 1 time .... and not 2 times te same explanation.... (1st =1st)

Both answers to win must been inside before 20-09-2017
Goodluck to the ones that like This  Roll Eyes

ATH Nov 25.

$5000 is a high bar to hit, it may take some time. Black Friday might put people in the mood and with US stock exchanges closed, might be time for another crypto rally, mirroring 2013.



6. Post 21840192 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.20h):

As Bitcoin matures, seeing these corrections is like watching an over-tired child cry.  Just gotta let it all out, spasm after spasm, the sooner and harder the better.

Strangely relaxing to watch. Because we all know how we feel after a good cry.

Euphoric.



7. Post 22286956 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):


The last 10 floor to floor Bitcoin doublings since Nov 2012.

Average doubling time: 6 months
Shortest doubling time: 1 month ($20 to $40)
Longest doubling time: 18 months ($80 to $160)

The Mt Gox bubble is clearly disruptive to trend. Since recovery, doubling times have only accelerated. This kind of hyperbolic growth is typical of a technological singularity. Think color tv, mobile phones, or the Internet.

At this scale, it's really hard to see the recent hardfork or China FUD having much of an impact at all.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2203360.0




8. Post 22322287 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on September 28, 2017, 04:57:50 AM

The last 10 floor to floor Bitcoin doublings since Nov 2012.

Average doubling time: 6 months
Shortest doubling time: 1 month ($20 to $40)
Longest doubling time: 18 months ($80 to $160)

The Mt Gox bubble is clearly disruptive to trend. Since recovery, doubling times have only accelerated. This kind of hyperbolic growth is typical of a technological singularity. Think color tv, mobile phones, or the Internet.

At this scale, it's really hard to see the recent hardfork or China FUD having much of an impact at all.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2203360.0



This feels very f'-ing fancy! Smiley .. Also.. I don't know if you know this.. But your chart predicts 10500$+ în 3-4 months. Cheesy Cheesy



Let's project! If we assume an average doubling rate of 6 months, then the price floor should remain above:

$5120: Jan 2018
$10,240: July 2018
$20,480: Jan 2019
$40,960: July 2019
$81,920: Jan 2020

We may touch $10,000 in 3 or 4 months as an ATH, but it may take another couple months to form a new floor. I wouldn't be surprised if doubling rates slowed down to maybe a year+ after $10,000, though. It's mind-boggling and eye-watering to conceive it's even possible. Shocked But this long-term doubling trend has so far survived all kinds of FUD, hacks, and Bitcoin obituaries and only appears to be gaining resilience as adoption increases.



9. Post 22339882 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on September 28, 2017, 09:49:48 PM

The last 10 floor to floor Bitcoin doublings since Nov 2012.

Average doubling time: 6 months
Shortest doubling time: 1 month ($20 to $40)
Longest doubling time: 18 months ($80 to $160)

The Mt Gox bubble is clearly disruptive to trend. Since recovery, doubling times have only accelerated. This kind of hyperbolic growth is typical of a technological singularity. Think color tv, mobile phones, or the Internet.

At this scale, it's really hard to see the recent hardfork or China FUD having much of an impact at all.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2203360.0



This feels very f'-ing fancy! Smiley .. Also.. I don't know if you know this.. But your chart predicts 10500$+ în 3-4 months. Cheesy Cheesy



Let's project! If we assume an average doubling rate of 6 months, then the price floor should remain above:

$5120: Jan 2018
$10,240: July 2018
$20,480: Jan 2019
$40,960: July 2019
$81,920: Jan 2020

We may touch $10,000 in 3 or 4 months as an ATH, but it may take another couple months to form a new floor. I wouldn't be surprised if doubling rates slowed down to maybe a year+ after $10,000, though. It's mind-boggling and eye-watering to conceive it's even possible. Shocked But this long-term doubling trend has so far survived all kinds of FUD, hacks, and Bitcoin obituaries and only appears to be gaining resilience as adoption increases.

It's funny, I just can't see it doubling into this heights so soon.

But then again .. I didn't think we would reach 4000 (or even scratch 5000) 3-4 months ago.


The last square is wrong! His prediction is very conservative. But what will happen is exactly like on Square No. 3!

The new ATH will probably be between 30 Sept < > 2-3 Oct. And the $10.000$ will be probably around Christmas!  Roll Eyes  Tongue  Cheesy  Grin

LOL, how can it be "wrong" when it hasn't happened yet? ATH won't count by the way, it has to be a bonafide floor. (No dips!) That might take months to confirm.

That said, I would happily (sooner) be wrong.  Grin



10. Post 22343164 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: Ibian on September 29, 2017, 02:12:37 AM
As an aside, since nothing is happening and we are bored, let's have a little philosophical kerfluffle. What is the difference between genius and insanity?

Usually about 15 minutes of patience.  Grin



11. Post 22391483 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 30, 2017, 02:23:43 AM
Guys, is hodl a paradox? When are we supposed to enjoy our riches? I've never had riches before. Should I be living in a richly place now? I've never lived in a richly place before.

I just don't know.

Some time back, I bought my wife an Instant Pot (fancy pressure cooker) with Bitcoin at a 25% discount via Amazon/Purse.io. Told her by using Bitcoin (which was already way up for me), it was the cheapest Instant Pot money could buy.  Grin  Cool

Then Bitcoin quintupled.

Now she looks at the Instant Pot and says, "Most expensive fucking Instant Pot money could buy." Tongue  Roll Eyes  And sits there scheming over all the things she could have bought HODLing instead.

So yes. HODL is a paradox. Yes indeed.

Nevermind I bought all the dips on the way up. Nevermind I can retire early now. That fucking Instant Pot will always be my HODL reminder.

"Yes honey, it's a lovely house, but we could have bought a fucking castle, you idiot!"



12. Post 22418642 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: RoomBot on October 01, 2017, 02:06:11 AM
Guys, is hodl a paradox? When are we supposed to enjoy our riches? I've never had riches before. Should I be living in a richly place now? I've never lived in a richly place before.

I just don't know.

Some time back, I bought my wife an Instant Pot (fancy pressure cooker) with Bitcoin at a 25% discount via Amazon/Purse.io. Told her by using Bitcoin (which was already way up for me), it was the cheapest Instant Pot money could buy.  Grin  Cool

Then Bitcoin quintupled.

Now she looks at the Instant Pot and says, "Most expensive fucking Instant Pot money could buy." Tongue  Roll Eyes  And sits there scheming over all the things she could have bought HODLing instead.

So yes. HODL is a paradox. Yes indeed.

Nevermind I bought all the dips on the way up. Nevermind I can retire early now. That fucking Instant Pot will always be my HODL reminder.

"Yes honey, it's a lovely house, but we could have bought a fucking castle, you idiot!"

Wow, glass so half empty there!

I bought my dream bike with some of my BTC gains 3 months ago, and even as I expect the market value to shoot the Moon, I will never look back and regret it. Of course I'm HODLing most of it.

Life is for living, yo.

Don't get me wrong - I don't have any regrets! Your Bitcoin ain't worth a thing if you don't spend it!

Just try explaining this concept to me wifey wife.  Undecided  I don't know about yours, but mine expects perfect prescience.  Grin

"You knew it was going to quintuple and you spent it anyway??"  Shocked



13. Post 22419068 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: Elwar on October 01, 2017, 02:31:38 AM

If you paid with dollars then that would be 25% less dollars you would have to buy bitcoins.

You also perpetuate that bitcoin is only used for buying pot.

LOL, or cooking it.

I like the way you think. MOAR Bitcoin! My Precious...



14. Post 23823501 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):

Bitcoin ATH Theme Song of the Day

https://youtu.be/KFPI9b9N6CQ

Happy Halloween!

Well any time, any place, anywhere that I go
All the people seem to stop and stare
They say "why are you dressed like it's Halloween?
You look so absurd, you look so obscene"

Oh, why can't I live a life for me?
Why should I take the abuse that's served?
Why can't they see they're just like me
It's the same, it's the same in the whole wide world

Well I let their teeny minds think
That they're dealing with someone who is over the brink
And I dress this way just to keep them at bay
'Cause Halloween is everyday
It's everyday





15. Post 23949403 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.25h):

Quote from: Elwar on November 02, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
Have any US citizens looked into a Charitable Remainder Trust for their BTC? I'm talking to a lawyer next week about setting one up. Seems like the best way to convert capital gains into income. Which, for me living overseas, I would rather have income which is not taxed than gains that are taxed.

Yes. You're basically trading your stash in for an annuity or similar. You can draw a yearly income off of it, but that income itself is still taxable (maybe not so much as an expat?). You're just avoiding cap gains, which might not be as bad as you think. Plus the trust has to be carefully managed to keep the IRS happy.

If you trust in Bitcoin's longevity, you maintain far more control keeping it in Bitcoin, and if Bitcoin cap gains are your only source of income, the first $37.5K are tax free, $75k if you're married, and after that it's only 15%. So say you're married and draw off $150k in pure gains (plus some amount of principle, which might be negligible at this point). The effective tax would only be 7.5%. That's like sale's tax, big f-ing deal.

Gifting Bitcoin also bypasses cap gains. The giftee's cost basis steps up to the date of the gift. Gift every member of your extended family and have them pay for the bulk of your needs. You can gift around $14k per year per person.

The best reason I can see for a charitable remainder trust is if you've totally lost faith in Bitcoin and want to ditch your whole stash pronto for lambos, property, securities, or fiat. Maybe it makes sense to do it for just the part you want to convert, but keep the bulk in Bitcoin until needed. Really depends on your circumstances and faith in Bitcoin.

https://www.estateplanning.com/Understanding-Charitable-Remainder-Trusts/
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/12/11/long-term-capital-gains-tax-rates-in-2017.aspx




16. Post 24358222 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.26h):

Bitcoin has been above $6000 a total of 17 days.

Above $7000 only 9 days.

This looks like a healthy correction establishing a new floor around $6500. Maybe even retest $6000.

I still think $10,000 by Jan 2018.



17. Post 24462217 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.26h):

Quote from: ImI on November 12, 2017, 12:43:58 PM
Wow. Last few days have been like a hurricane. It's flying everywhere.
I decided to increase my BTC stash and bought in when it was around $7000.
Sold my BCH for BTC when it was aroudn $600.
Now I am confused. I will admit that I clearly do not understand what to do.
Should I hodl the BTC I bought @7000 or should I exchange it for an alt or BCH.
I need help.

Beautiful, just amazing how people lose their mind when they become greedy . Enjoy the dumpfest you deserve it

I need help.

No one can help you except yourself ,just NEVER buy at the top.. NEVER

I made lots of the best investments while buying exactly at the top.

Buying Bitcoin at 50$ was at that time exactly that, the top. Buying Ethereum at 1$ was at that time exactly that, the top. And so on and on and on...

Not buying at the top is basically the worst advice you can give someone in such a market as the cryptomarket.

Hear! Hear! Always bet on winners. Might just have to wait a bit longer, but even those who bought and held at the Mt Gox top quintupled their value.



18. Post 24462772 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.26h):

Quote from: sirazimuth on November 12, 2017, 04:16:01 PM
Wow. Last few days have been like a hurricane. It's flying everywhere.
I decided to increase my BTC stash and bought in when it was around $7000.
Sold my BCH for BTC when it was aroudn $600.
Now I am confused. I will admit that I clearly do not understand what to do.
Should I hodl the BTC I bought @7000 or should I exchange it for an alt or BCH.
I need help.

Beautiful, just amazing how people lose their mind when they become greedy . Enjoy the dumpfest you deserve it

I need help.

No one can help you except yourself ,just NEVER buy at the top.. NEVER

I made lots of the best investments while buying exactly at the top.




Buying Bitcoin at 50$ was at that time exactly that, the top. Buying Ethereum at 1$ was at that time exactly that, the top. And so on and on and on...

Not buying at the top is basically the worst advice you can give someone in such a market as the cryptomarket.

Hear! Hear! Always bet on winners. Might just have to wait a bit longer, but even those who bought and held at the Mt Gox top quintupled their value.

well yeah... that is as long as they didn't actually have it at Gox when it shit the bed....

True that but that goes for ANY exchange.

You don't own Bitcoin if you don't own your private keys.



19. Post 24567052 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.27h):

Quote from: ragnar0k on November 13, 2017, 11:16:13 PM
Any thoughts on how high the next BCH rally will go?  I'm thinking we might hit 0.8 temporarily, and then crash.  I don't think we'll spike above 1.0 on the next wave.  At this stage, I think anything over 0.4 is a good place to take profits.



Just as an addendum to your work of art, I permit myself to note also the middle finger formation given by the initial bump in the chart.

That's a dick if I've ever seen one. That just blew its load. Initial bump is the scrags. Nicely done.



20. Post 24627418 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.27h):

Quote from: itod on November 15, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
Bcash will get rekt followed by a BTC pump  Cheesy




Best news of the day. Shitcoins dumped by the exchange automatically. Should have been the case right from the beginning.

Now if only Coinbase would follow suit come January...



21. Post 25408051 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):

Quote from: proudhon on November 29, 2017, 03:03:00 AM
"I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen."

heh fun thread, that.

wonder what folks will think of this thread if btc hits 50, 100 grand.. hey maybe this thread will still be going then Grin

This is clearly as high as bitcoin will ever get, basically. Maybe just a little bit higher because there are people who haven't realized this is a failed experiment, but that's it. 1 bitcoin will absolutely never be worth $50k. $100k? LOL, no.

Proudhon. The ironic Colbert of Bitcoin.



22. Post 25410215 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):


The power of exponential rise:

If a bacteria doubles its surface area every day and completely covers a Petri dish in 30 days, on what day is the Petri dish half covered?



Answer:

Day 29

But Bitcoin has gone parabolic! Exponentially exponential.

This puppy will reach $25,000 sooner than most can believe.



23. Post 25441250 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):

Quote from: jojo69 on November 29, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
Bircoin??

Easy out.



24. Post 25454892 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):

Quote from: Coinnosaurus on November 29, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
good news guys!

I have confirmed sources that we are going back up stronger than ever

Mmmmm, no. I have confirmed that your sources are not confirmed sources.

mmmm, yes It's confirmed that you have no confirmation about that sources are not confirmed.

Confirmed



25. Post 25455141 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.29h):

Another ATH in 6 hours?



26. Post 25500710 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

What an awesome test of resistance at $9000.

We spent a total of only 8 days in the $8000-$9000 range, and only 5 days above $9000 and here it is bouncing off $9000 like a frucking trampoline. I fully expected a further test of $8000, maybe it's yet to come...

I'm not much of one for TA, but looks like we might be halfway through an inverse head and shoulders. Bullish!

I think $10,000 will be the new floor by the end of this month (maybe even week?) or end Jan at the latest.

\/\/\/
$9000

Boing boing boing...




27. Post 25500998 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: arklan on November 30, 2017, 04:25:37 PM
What an awesome test of resistance at $9000.

We spent a total of only 8 days in the $8000-$9000 range, and only 5 days above $9000 and here it is bouncing off $9000 like a frucking trampoline. I fully expected a further test of $8000, maybe it's yet to come...

I'm not much of one for TA, but looks like we might be halfway through an inverse head and shoulders. Bullish!

I think $10,000 will be the new floor by the end of this month (maybe even week?) or end Jan at the latest.

\/\/\/
$9000

Boing boing boing...



You do realize today IS the end of the month, right? Cheesy

Shit, it's not even December yet?  Shocked Grin



28. Post 25527378 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: infofront on December 01, 2017, 02:47:24 AM
I may be asking a question with an obvious answer, but could a US citizen immigrate to Panama (or another CG-free country), then cash in his bitcoins tax free, and be off the hook for taxes in the US?

You have to irrevocably renounce your citizenship. With the caveat:

Quote
Persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware of the fact that renunciation of U.S. citizenship may have no effect on their U.S. tax or military service obligations.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship.html

So I'm guessing if you haven't realized any gains until after renouncing, you're safe?

Quote
(contact the Internal Revenue Service or U.S. Selective Service for more information)

Ha!



29. Post 25547248 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: bitserve on December 01, 2017, 04:57:44 AM
P.S.: Almost everything is a taxable event as it involves "using" the actual value of BTC which is different than when you initially acquired it. The only thing I don't agree is that "moving the coins out of coinbase" is a taxable event. That doesn't make any sense.

Where is the source for "moving coins out of Coinbase" as a taxable event?

Would this mean if the coins were bought at, say, $1000 and then moved out immediately at $1000, then the gains are effectively zero? Or that I could even claim a loss if the price dropped?

Would this also mean that the further gains to $10,000 are effectively tax free, because, double taxation and all?



30. Post 25548998 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: 600watt on December 01, 2017, 10:32:28 AM
can you name me a new technology that has been banned? why on earth would bitcoin be the first one? digitization of our entire culture is inevitable. digitization is in the sam e league as industrialization. it cannot be stopped.  

Possession of a Guggenheim printing press might have cost you your life at some points in history.
Distillation is widely illegal on an individual basis. Absinthe suffered a worldwide ban post-WW2. Hell, even alcohol itself was illegal in the US for a good time during Prohibition.
Equipment used for counterfeiting currency is illegal
Torrenting DRM material is illegal
Anti-DRM technology is illegal
Owning gold as currency was illegal in the US during wartime
Certain drugs and technology to produce them, both natural and synthetic are largely illegal.
Weapons of mass destruction are illegal (as mentioned)
Firearms are illegal in many countries
Hell, the Internet is even illegal in some countries. Certain social media is illegal behind China's great firewall.
There is even talk of making some types of encryption illegal

Basically, any technologies involved in the spread of information or ideas or substances that affect thinking or could cause harm or disruption to society have, at some point or another, been banned or attempted to be banned by some government. Governments and those in power will do anything to maintain the status quo.

I agree however that most technologies cannot be stopped. Won't stop them from trying, though.



31. Post 25549496 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: mfort312 on November 30, 2017, 04:28:11 PM
I'm not much of one for TA, but looks like we might be halfway through an inverse head and shoulders. Bullish!

Confirmed? Looks like we just completed the right shoulder... Oort cloud here we come!

Anyone here ever read the old Gateway series with the giant food factories harvesting the Oort cloud?



32. Post 25551180 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: kurious on December 01, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
Do you know why Bitcoin is doomed to reach one million per coin?
Because that way everybody will probably don't mind paying CG on a single bitcoin.

 Cool

On a different note...
considering all the many txs I made and all the different adds I used and all the keys/wallet that I compromised (yes, that happens as well you all know that) I don't even fucking remember how many BTC I touched in my life.
How on Earth am I supposed to pay CG?


[Money out] minus [money in]

Everything else is a wash. 

That's my thinking too.  There's no way I could provide details of every transaction I've made over the last 4 years, especially bct to alts to btc, etc.  And also considering that there's now no way for me to access any records from Mt.Gox.  So presumably the tax authorities (HMRC in UK) would reasonably accept the "$out minus $in" figure. That's my hope anyway.  But still, paying Capital Gains Tax on crypto profits would grate, a lot.

Just wondering if anyone here has yet made a CGT return to HMRC and how it was dealt with? They're massively under-staffed (up to 45 minute waiting time when phoning them, if you manage to get through at all).  My guess is that they would accept pretty much whatever method you decide to use (i.e. a "$out minus $in" figure) as long as it seems justifiable, and they would only rarely investigate further to see if your figures are accurate, in the way that usually just accept at face value most people's regular self-assessed tax returns. I doubt they have the resources to do anything further.

Has anyone here actually dealt with HMRC yet regarding btc profits? It would be interesting to hear about your experiences.

I have been working on it with a lot of advice from my accountant.

Pay the CGT, as if they look and find anything you are sunk.

You'd better hope they accept just CGT - if they consider it 'trading' then it's TAx at your highest rate - up to 45% if it's enough money.

CGT will be 20% max and you get over £11K GBP free of tax before you pay a penny.  You can deduct the costs of the coins you bought - so you only pay the difference as a taxable gain.

I very much doubt you will get away with 'gambling' - and yes, I have asked this question.  My accountant laughed.

I still don't know if I will just pay CGT - It's difficult to PROVE you are not a trader, and they decide - not you!

Might not help for Mt Gox transactions, but I've found this tool pretty useful for importing trade histories elsewhere:

https://bitcoin.tax/




33. Post 25576329 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: TERA2 on December 01, 2017, 08:52:41 PM


Bye bye default world

Congratulations. Some of us are not far behind...



34. Post 25748645 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):


IF $10,000 holds (and that's a big if, but I'm feeling optimistic), then we've achieved the 12th Bitcoin doubling floor since $2.50.

This puts the latest doubling floor at only 50 days, beating the previous run of 77 days. The record still belongs to the $20-$40 runup, which took only 39 days to "permanently" double.

Anyhow, at this rate, we might have a brand new $20k floor by mid January!  Shocked




35. Post 25797720 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.30h):

Quote from: BTCMILLIONAIRE on December 05, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
I swear my bladder is an ATH indicator.

It always wakes me up just in time for another leg up.

Go Bitcoin go.

I've gotta go back to bed. I don't keep farmer's hours.
Would you be willing to insert some sort of contraption that alerts us of your next discharge into your body?





36. Post 25874217 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: BobLawblaw on December 06, 2017, 07:48:56 PM
The closer we get to 20k the higher the chances 10k holds...
I might sell a fraction passed 20k and then hodling like we are at war! bring it on with the dip!

I bet you we hit $20K USD/BTC before Coinbase verifies me for a $6M limit.

Their customer support is utter shit.

How long have you been waiting? Are your coins onsite or will they accept offsite wallet proof?



37. Post 25874278 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: Torque on December 06, 2017, 07:09:51 PM
As much as I'm loving this price action, something still tells me a big short is coming.

And there's a reason why they launched futures in December, right before Xmas. They know that people have money then.

Proudhon rubbing off on Torque?!



38. Post 25874939 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: BobLawblaw on December 06, 2017, 08:16:50 PM
How long have you been waiting? Are your coins onsite or will they accept offsite wallet proof?

Waiting over a week now. I wouldn't dare move that volume of coin onto an exchange, in one go. Oh well.

Thought about sending them an email to the effect of "Dudes. You are seriously harshing my retirement plans. What more can I do, in addition to the colonoscopies you have performed on me already, to get verified for that level. If $6M is too much, can I do $3M if it's easier ? Please. Take my money."

EDIT: I think I'll just sign up for Genesis. They look to be the more professional, "big league" site. $25k minimum to play ? No fucking problem.



Not to pop your bubble, but my modest $100,000 increase took three months. After several customer service requests.  Sad Huh Sad

Anyone know offhand how Genesis Gemini withdrawal limitations compare?



39. Post 25885613 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Mind melting week... Memories of 2013 rise. And 2014-15 slog through the desert. Boy was this payoff worth the wait.



Bitcoin says Hello World.



40. Post 25931618 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Check out that $6000 GDAX daily candle.



Respect.



41. Post 26008137 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: TERA2 on December 09, 2017, 01:39:11 AM
Can you explain how "just adoption" justifies a price increase of 2000% within a few months? Adoption does not just suddenly jump from horizontal to straight lines and and happen all at once in a 2000% spike. It is more like a smooth logarithmic curve of a few percent per day. So if it jumps too much that means it is overbought by traders.



https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/04/the-100-year-march-of-technology-in-1-graph/255573/



42. Post 26008706 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: TERA2 on December 09, 2017, 04:20:57 AM
When I joined, the early adopters were those in 2010 who had already made 1000 times gains. The early adopter status is based on where they are compared to the present, not where they are compared to the future. However, even if you were to make it about the future, that means there would have to be another 1000 times gains from here on into the future for noobs to be early adopters. That would put the target price at $15,000,000, with a market cap of $300 trillion equal to 5 times all of the world's monetary instruments.

You need to revise your definition of a bear. A bear is not someone who predicts anything less than the moon and stars in a jiffy.

Those 2010 early adopters accepted much more risk than the 2013 adopters and beyond.  I doubt very many of them sunk much more than a few hundred or a few grand into it before they made 1000x gains, unless they were already wealthy to begin with, or mining and forced to sell to break even. Order books couldn't hardly support large fiat influxes either.

Whereas from 2013 on, plunking down 10 grand or even a cool $100,000 or a few million like our favorite twins required much less risk albeit less return to achieve a much more pronounced effect. 1000 times gains on $1000 is only $1MM.  100 times gains on 100 thousand? Now we're talkin'.



43. Post 26008798 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: TERA2 on December 09, 2017, 05:05:19 AM
That all looks like a slow controlled rise over 15 to 30 years to me. Not 2 months. Also there is a single up phase and not a staircase.

Are you confusing the staircase price with percent adoption?



44. Post 26009090 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: TERA2 on December 09, 2017, 05:31:11 AM
What Im saying to begin with is that the momentary spot price does not represent adoption. When the price rises 2000% in two months, that doesnt mean that adoption increased 2000% in two months. It is hyperextended by traders beyond a slower rising curve that actually represents adoption.

Price is dictated by supply and demand. I remember when cellular phones were super expensive suitcases and then super cheap bricks and now super expensive smart phones.  Price increases have fluctuated by thousands of percent. Ditto for black and white to color to flat screen to OLED 4k TVs and now 4K projectors. Prices fluctuate wildly with new technologies as adoption creeps forward. Supply and demand. But it is not just pure trading speculation. There is bona-fide underlying value. A solution to a problem. A trustless peer-to-peer network of digital currency exchange. A store of value that is not easily manipulated by federal reserves and the like. etc etc. And yes, more than a touch of speculation, justifiable so. This is exciting stuff.



45. Post 26059956 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.31h):

Quote from: yefi on December 10, 2017, 03:09:48 AM
I think 10K is bedrock now. A bounce or two off 10K would be nice.

Bedrock forms over millions of years. Is 12 days really long enough to form such a structure?

As long as it's not eroded, yep.



46. Post 26119288 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.32h):

Quote from: jojo69 on December 11, 2017, 04:42:48 AM
Personally, I came from a PM background so had a healthy hatred of that fiat trash already.  I also had recently read Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, a monumental work of historical fiction that deals with the nature of money and cryptrography that I would strongly recommend hodlers to read.  So my response to discovering Bitcoin was more like "OMFG... ... ...an IMPLEMENTATION!!!"

Awesome series. Seconded.



47. Post 26271581 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.32h):

What an adorable correction...



I wonder if mama bear is around?



48. Post 26503595 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Maybe I'm naive, but with all these noobs and old-timers alike whining about transaction fees, I worked out some back of the envelope calculations:

The Bitcoin network is consuming about 100 million kWh to process nearly 400,000 transactions per day. That works out to about 250 kWh per transaction, or about a week of modest home consumption, or enough to power 8 typical US households for a day.

The average cost of electricity in the US is 12 cents per kWh which works out to $30 per transaction or 0.0015 BTC at $20k. This is the break-even transaction fee in terms of energy usage. Any less, you're getting a deal and should be happy to wait for confirmation, any more and hopefully your premium speeds things up.

I personally think $30 is a fair price to securely move any amount of BTC to anyone in the world in typically less than an hour, until either electricity costs come down or the network becomes more energy efficient as demand and use dictate. It's way cheaper and more convenient than a wire. And wires are never intended for small amounts. They're for heavy lifting and high priority transfers. Just try and think about trying to send someone several kilos of gold for $30. For better or for worse, BTC has or will become the favored child of savvy millionaires, governments, and institutions to store (HODL!1) and transmit increasingly vast sums of wealth, sans regulation or too much oversight for the time being.

Besides, there already exists a cheaper and more energy efficient way to send crypto: it’s called Litecoin, et al. You want a cheaper transaction fee, switch to a cheaper coin. It’s less than 50 cents to send Litecoin and your transaction is confirmed way faster. Save your BTC transaction fees for heavy lifting.  All these arguments about trying to achieve Visa's daily transaction capacity - why? We already have Visa. Do people really need to securely and irrevocably purchase coffee on the world's first and most desirous blockchain? BTC serves a way different purpose than Visa, and I'm happy having both for the time being. Soon enough there will be Xapo, Revolut, and Square charge card options that will work out a cheap way to transact off-chain and settle on-chain once a month or year or whatever floats your boat.

To me, the analogy between to gold, silver, copper seems apt for various crypto. The abundance, demand, difficulty and cost of extraction and delivery costs get factored into each crypto's price. But BTC still has some tricks up its sleeve, like LN and atomic swaps and other inevitable network improvements clever people will eventually figure out. The future crypto ecosystem looks bright to me. And hopefully the carbon footprint will improve as energy sources and blockchain efficiencies shift into the future.



49. Post 26508193 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Quote from: itod on December 17, 2017, 07:18:02 PM
The average cost of electricity in the US is 12 cents per kWh which works out to $30 per transaction or 0.0015 BTC at $20k. This is the break-even transaction fee in terms of energy usage. Any less, you're getting a deal and should be happy to wait for confirmation, any more and hopefully your premium speeds things up.

Your calculations are way off. Here are exact figures, you can check them in multiple places. I'll put them in per/hour base:
- BTC networks consumes 113.000 US$ of electricity per hour, based on 0.12 US$/KWh price
- during that hour it generates 1.800.000 US$ worth of BTC, based on 19.500 US$/BTC price
- of that amount, 360.000 US$ are transaction fees and 1.440.000 US$ block rewards
- on that proportion, 22.600 US$ electricity is spent on transaction fees and, 90.400 US$ of electricity is spent on block rewards
- since there are on average 13.800 Transactions/hour, price of electricity spent for each transaction is 1.63 US$

This is the minimal price of transaction BTC network can not afford to go bellow, and it will not go down before the Lightning networks are introduced. Everything above that we are paying now is because saboteurs and spammers are polluting the blockchain in their failed attempt to prove BCash is better than BTC.

Your energy assumption is only 22.6 million kWh per day. That is only 1/4th estimated by this source, at nearly 100 million kWh:

https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption

I am curious, what is your source?

I agree, spamming is a problem and I don't know if anything clever can be done to abate in the near term.

Quote from: bones261 on December 17, 2017, 07:12:46 PM
The problem with your calculations is that it does not include the 12.5 BTC reward the miners get with each block. That alone rewards the miners about 90.00 USD per tx at the current price. At this point in the game, the tx fees are just extra profit padding. Furthermore, Litecoin is a competitor. What kind of enterprise recommends that you just use a competitor if you want it cheaper, faster and of the same quality?  Cheesy

I don't know that Charlie would promote Litecoin as a direct competitor but rather occupying a different market niche. Besides, in every other industry, competition is what keeps entities honest and efficient, no? Once users realize they can save on time and fees on another crypto network, transaction demand and fees on the Bitcoin network should drop. But again, I don't know how to handle spamming transaction fee inflation. How do we keep transactions honest?





50. Post 26549370 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Looks like we are completing the third inverse head and shoulders of the month on the 1 hour and 30 min charts. Every 10 days, like clockwork. Bullish.

Today or tomorrow may be the day we break out above $20k.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/inverseheadandshoulders.asp



51. Post 26613262 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Quote from: RobSteward on December 19, 2017, 02:56:28 PM
Most of the traders are too emotional to make real profit. The only way to prevent the bankruptcy is to learn to hodl. The usual scenario is like this:
1. Buy Bitcoin.
[...]
14. Oh, no bitcoin is down 10% again. Go to step 2. Rinse and repeat.

Balance at the end of the year:0

So much. So many people approaching me asking about altcoins ("it's rising so fast and much better because x,y,z bla") just to come back to me a week later telling me that they bought back into BTC.

I've got a different dilemma. I started out all BTC. Then I added 10% LTC which promptly fell to less than 1% during the 2014-2016 drought. So pitiful I couldn't even be bothered to sell. Then holy shit the chikun arose and now miraculously makes up 20% of my stash!

Meanwhile, during the clone wars, airdrops and forks started appearing left and right... Lumens, Byteball, Bitcore, BeeeeeCash, BitGold, popping up like arcade games bonuses, pew pew! I ditched all the shitforks, but the shitalts I diversified just for giggles, representing less than 1% of my stash.

But now these shitalts are worth like 5% of my stash and growing. Together with LTC, we're talking 25% of my stash!

Every time I think, ok NOW is the time to convert to BTC, the pile of shit keeps just keeps growing! I've got total decision paralysis over this. Sell the shit, keep the shit, sell the shit, keep the shit?!? Meanwhile, the pile of shit has become sentient and starting to talk back to me and has even possessed Brian Kelly, who's screaming buy the shit, buy the shit!!! Holy mother, who's next, Jim Cramer? Booyah!





52. Post 26632809 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Quote from: gentlemand on December 20, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
https://blog.coinbase.com/buy-sell-send-and-receive-bitcoin-cash-on-coinbase-65f1b2c7214b

Coinbase just went full Bcash.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.



53. Post 26632995 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Quote from: gentlemand on December 20, 2017, 12:19:10 AM
So, what was announced for January 2018 is happening now? Crazy coincidences ... .

The only thing scheduled for Jan was the release of the coins. That hasn't happened as far as I can tell.

They said nothing about going full retail until they just did.

My coins were released already.



54. Post 26633238 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Quote from: gentlemand on December 20, 2017, 12:22:11 AM
So, what was announced for January 2018 is happening now? Crazy coincidences ... .

The only thing scheduled for Jan was the release of the coins. That hasn't happened as far as I can tell.

They said nothing about going full retail until they just did.

My coins were released already.

Ah. It all happens at once then.

Strange, I can buy but I cannot sell BCash from the Coinbase interface yet. There is no trade history on GDAX yet but the books are starting to fill.

I only kept a small transactional amount on Coinbase. All my cold wallet BCash is long gone.



55. Post 26633761 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Haha who sold at $14,001 on GDAX?



56. Post 26633861 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Quote from: BTCMILLIONAIRE on December 20, 2017, 12:49:09 AM
Haha who sold at $14,001 on GDAX?
Either a moron, or a guy trying to dump the price even further. So in either case, a moron.

And whoever bought... hat tip to you, sir.



57. Post 26636191 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.33h):

Look, they scrawled their names on the floor...




58. Post 26677222 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: 404Revolution on December 20, 2017, 03:00:59 PM
Charlie Lee "sold all his litecoin" to "prove" he has no conflict of interest promoting Litecoin.

No Charlie, that's not what that would prove!  Smiley

It proves that you are spineless. A disgusting fish faced gook who stands for nothing! Congratulations!

Somehow dumping Litecoin at the top is supposed to be applauded by your nimwit cult?

Hi, I'm Charlie Lee inventor of Litecoin. It is an amazing system for sending value, it has massive room to grow, you should buy it now that its moved from $2 to $300! Oh you want me to show you how it works? Sorry, I don't own any.

Fuck You!

Imagine if Steve Jobs sold his iPhone to prove he didn't have any conflict of interest with it's future development.

He already profited from it's rise and now has no vested interest in its future. If it fails, he can shrug while his cult bears the financial bruising.

What kind of leader says, "Do as I say, not as I do."

What a dolt to cause such damage to his own product.



59. Post 26733198 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):




60. Post 26744450 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: TruBitMil on December 21, 2017, 08:17:50 PM
Any vets out there caring to calm my nerves with some words of wisdom?

Bitcoin is up 90% this month and 1800% this year. That help?



61. Post 26745216 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

NICE. Instant classic:

https://youtu.be/UG7zLhEWanc

Remy - Bitcoin Billionaire

"Opposing forks like a Chinese restaurant" haha



62. Post 26746461 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: Peter R on December 21, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
Any vets out there caring to calm my nerves with some words of wisdom?


The market is waking up the fact that BTC is digital gold designed to be held and not spent -- that high fees and transaction friction are a feature and not a bug.  The market may reprice BTC as a result.  

My advice as a veteran since $49 is to take some profit if you're well into the green to soothe your nerves, and to make sure you hold at least 1 BCH for every 1 BTC you hold.

Don't hold BCH. Peter is a shill.

If by "shill" you mean someone who has volunteered thousands of hours and years of my life to help grow Bitcoin into a global peer-to-peer electronic cash system, then here are some of the ways I've "shilled":

1. In 2014, I developed the first ECDSA signing tool capable of signing Bitcoin transactions offline over an air-gap by drawing power from the NFC field [video].

2. In 2015, I co-founded (and still co-manage) the first peer-reviewed scholarly journal for Bitcoin and blockchain research, Ledger.  

3. Also in 2015, I did research to demonstrate that a transaction fee market would exist without a block size limit [paper] [video]

4. In 2016, I co-founded Bitcoin Unlimited, which is now a $10 million+ organization that supports Bitcoin research and outreach across the world.

5. Also in 2016, I did research to show that with subchains, bitcoin's transaction capacity could be increased while also providing faster TX verification by miners to users [paper] [video]

6. In 2017, I demonstrated a security weakness in segregated witness [video]

7. Also in 2017, I spearheaded the launch of the $3 million "Gigablock Testnet Initiative" and presented our initial result in Stanford [video]

I have done all this to date as a volunteer because I love bitcoin and hope to see it change the world for the better.  

All this to wind up on the wrong side of history. My my.



63. Post 26746761 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: Peter R on December 21, 2017, 09:08:47 PM
If by "shill" you mean someone who has volunteered thousands of hours and years of my life to help grow Bitcoin into a global peer-to-peer electronic cash system, then here are some of the ways I've "shilled":

1. In 2014, I I I I I I I I I ad nauseum


Clinical narcissists tend to overuse the words "I" and "my" in their ramblings because they tend to self-reference alot. You managed to cram it in no less than 10 times.

Please go seek some help.


Sure, I'm proud of what I've accomplished; I'll admit to that.  

But the point I was trying to get across is that calling me a "shill" is pretty silly when I've clearly worked very hard to help grow Bitcoin for the last several years, as I just demonstrated.  

From my perspective today, we have two visions of "Bitcoin" competing with each other:

1. BTC is digital gold to be held and not spent; friction is a feature.

2. BCH is peer-to-peer electronic cash with low fees and reliable confirmations.

Both are achieving their "visions" right now. Let's continue to watch the experiment unfold and see which the market comes to prefer.

Only one of these is achieving their "vision" through ASIC exploits, mining cartels, spamalot, insider trading, and downright petty tyranny.

"BCash, BCash, Beeecash"



64. Post 26746839 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on December 21, 2017, 09:11:02 PM
Peter - answer the question:  who does Jihan Wu report to?

Putin!

No, wait,  that's Vitalik...



65. Post 26752885 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: Rosewater Foundation on December 21, 2017, 11:21:57 PM
I'm going to start to panic soon. I don't like it when Bitcoin goes down a lot, then doesn't come right back up.

Some perspective, Rosewater:

Bitcoin has remained above $10,000 for only 20 days now, and above $15,000 for 10 days. (Bitstamp)

It has traded above $18,000 a whopping 4 days, only 1 of which it remained above $18,000 all day.

Bitcoin IS up, and remains bullish AF. You just need to zoom out on the charts. Start looking at 1 day candles, instead of 1 min. Go for a walk. Try and forget about Bitcoin for a week. A month. A year if you can. Go on vacation. It'll still be here when you return.



66. Post 26754026 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: Peter R on December 21, 2017, 09:25:30 PM
Do you honestly think that the motives of Jihan Wu and Roger Ver are to change the world for the better? Really? Have you followed their actions and their modus operandi? And you have decided to side with them and support Bcash? If that is true, then I'm afraid you are self-disrespecting your own achievements. It's sad, really...

I communicate directly with both of them, have met both in person and had lengthy discussions with each.  I believe they love Bitcoin for the same three four reasons I do:

1. The technology behind bitcoin is interesting and novel; Satoshi solved a long-standing problem in computer science.
2. The adoption of Bitcoin would change the world for the better, by giving us a better form of money.
3. The potential to earn of a huge amount of money.
4. I'm a wannabe felon.

FTFY

Quote from: Peter R on December 21, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
Roger Ver has done a huge amount to further Bitcoin adoption.  Perhaps more than anyone else besides Satoshi Nakamoto.  He truly loves Bitcoin and wants to see all of the world adopt it.  That people now abuse him for trying to fix the problem of high fees and unreliable confirmations is heart-breaking for me.

Your dreamboat:



taken from:
https://twitter.com/AwashInEchoes/status/943921356525260801



67. Post 26760536 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: Rosewater Foundation on December 22, 2017, 05:10:32 AM
I'm glad I made my fomo mistakes well before this dip.  Otherwise, I'd probably be making some pretty awful decisions today and posting a whisky fueled rant on here right about now.

Instead, my fiat arrived this morning to my exchange and is now converted to BTC.  BTFD FTW.

Here's what gets my goat. I don't trade and my fiat fountain has temporarily gone dry. Dips like this go to other people. I honestly don't like that. There's a competition in me...

Mortgage the goat.



68. Post 26763396 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

I really want to see one final total panic sell, all the way down to $10,000 in a matter of minutes, all out hysteria, just like the old days. Enough of this tortuous creeping down and half-assed attempts at recovery. This shit is barely showing up on the weekly candles. Just be done with it, so we can resume our journey out of the solar system as we hitch a ride with Voyager to the next one.

Even more than this, I really want to see BeeCrash explode on the launchpad and slam into the ground; for the love of God and all that is holy, I'm not a religious person by any means, but I'll become one if that's what it takes to please let it drop below $1000. Tonight. Please. Pray with me brethren. And if there might just be a whale-brother who might still be holding it, dump it like a load of bad spicy Mexican food, full eye-watering evacuation. Don't even bother flushing. Just leave it for the next guy to share in mutual disgust.

Amen.



69. Post 26763944 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: CoinsCoinsEverywhere on December 22, 2017, 06:41:49 AM
I really want to see one final total panic sell, all the way down to $10,000 in a matter of minutes, all out hysteria, just like the old days. Enough of this tortuous creeping down and half-assed attempts at recovery. This shit is barely showing up on the weekly candles. Just be done with it, so we can resume our journey out of the solar system as we hitch a ride with Voyager to the next one.

Even more than this, I really want to see BeeCrash explode on the launchpad and slam into the ground; for the love of God and all that is holy, I'm not a religious person by any means, but I'll become one if that's what it takes to please let it drop below $1000. Tonight. Please. Pray with me brethren. And if there might just be a whale-brother who might still be holding it, dump it like a load of bad spicy Mexican food, full eye-watering evacuation. Don't even bother flushing. Just leave it for the next guy to share in mutual disgust.

Amen.

I think you meant $10,000 the second time, too, right?  A drop below $1,000 tonight would take quite a miracle, but would be quite the buying opportunity.

No. I meant $1000. BCH. Not to buy. To Die.



70. Post 26764052 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: Phil_S on December 22, 2017, 06:50:30 AM
I looked at hourly stats from Bitstamp in 2017, and the biggest drops from ATH look like this:

ATH =  2631.204711 ->  1860.808877  (100% -> 70.72% drop)
ATH =  4941.708812 ->  3011.191850  (100% -> 60.93% drop)
ATH =  7719.501657 ->  5704.976298  (100% -> 73.90% drop)
ATH = 19572.557343 -> 13775.041897 (100% -> 70.38% drop)

This last one seems pretty average, no big deal.

You forgot 1163 to 152. 384 if you want to be generous.



71. Post 26776486 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on December 22, 2017, 11:23:50 AM
Breaking 24777$ prediction game


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Maybe because its This time of the year we make a small game Just to call 24777$ (CET) the one with the day of breaking This price wins .25 BTC
The list Will be Made after This post So When a date is taking iT cannot been taken again
When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

LIST MAKING ENDS 25-12-2012 @ 22.00 cet

AFTER THIS POST NO MORE NEWBIES MINIMUM 50 Posts


19/1/18 please



72. Post 26784846 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: mfort312 on December 22, 2017, 06:35:19 AM
I really want to see one final total panic sell, all the way down to $10,000 in a matter of minutes, all out hysteria, just like the old days. Enough of this tortuous creeping down and half-assed attempts at recovery. This shit is barely showing up on the weekly candles. Just be done with it, so we can resume our journey out of the solar system as we hitch a ride with Voyager to the next one.

Even more than this, I really want to see BeeCrash explode on the launchpad and slam into the ground; for the love of God and all that is holy, I'm not a religious person by any means, but I'll become one if that's what it takes to please let it drop below $1000. Tonight. Please. Pray with me brethren. And if there might just be a whale-brother who might still be holding it, dump it like a load of bad spicy Mexican food, full eye-watering evacuation. Don't even bother flushing. Just leave it for the next guy to share in mutual disgust.

Amen.


NOW we're talking!

We've fallen below last week's candle, but still have a little ways to go before touching bottom of the fortnight before. One more weekly candle to breach and we'll start to seriously flirt with $10,000 again. Yes that was only a couple weeks ago, peeps.

Bitcoin is still gearing up for mass adoption and this was but a taste of the public's hunger for it. Everybody on the inside knows Bitcoin isn't ready for primetime yet, but it will be. Oh yes, it will be. Honey badger just found a whole nest of larvae and ate her fill but even she needs time to digest. She just popped a squat to make room before returning for more tasty defenseless larvae. Yum yum.

I'm so happy to see BeeCrash below $2000. Only a little more to go before it breaches $1000.  Oh WTF, before I can even post this, my observation has not aged well! BURN BCH BURN!!




73. Post 26788101 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: Phil_S on December 22, 2017, 03:20:42 PM
11160/19666 = 0.56

wow.

10401/19892 = 0.52 Coinbase



74. Post 26806554 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: jojo69 on December 22, 2017, 10:42:05 PM
breakout confirmed

No way. We still need to break above 16k on stamp to confirm. And even then I'd say don't call a breakout until new highs.

Down channel broken in any event.

Depends on what down channel you are talking about.

exactly, next target 15950, log scale man, log scale

We only need to break 15600 on stamp to finish off the day with a green candle.  Grin



75. Post 26809796 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: BTCMILLIONAIRE on December 23, 2017, 12:14:04 AM
Yeah, every trade is a taxable event to US persons. Whether that is buying coffee or litecoin. It is property according to the IRS.

Even if you thought you could get away with the like kind exchange rule, you still have to report every trade individually on the exemption form.

If it were classified as a stock, you could just report net gains and losses but not so with property.

They have made compliance nearly impossible so unless someone passes a law to exempt transactions prior to a certain date, a lot of people are going to owe back taxes and penalties if not jail time.
Simple solution: Become an expat.

Not so easy or simple, unfortunately. Have you heard of the Exit Tax? Capital gains are realized for high net worth individuals upon renouncing.

You still owe cap gains if you don't renounce and just expat. Unless you plan on just hiding and never setting foot in US again nor using any international banks cooperating with FinCen rules.

Puerto Rico offers tax free cap gains for residents, but you still owe on any gains realized up to the date you become a resident.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2017/02/27/renounce-u-s-heres-how-irs-computes-exit-tax/#45c8627287d4



76. Post 26810182 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: BTCMILLIONAIRE on December 23, 2017, 12:46:20 AM
Yeah, every trade is a taxable event to US persons. Whether that is buying coffee or litecoin. It is property according to the IRS.

Even if you thought you could get away with the like kind exchange rule, you still have to report every trade individually on the exemption form.

If it were classified as a stock, you could just report net gains and losses but not so with property.

They have made compliance nearly impossible so unless someone passes a law to exempt transactions prior to a certain date, a lot of people are going to owe back taxes and penalties if not jail time.
Simple solution: Become an expat.

Not so easy or simple, unfortunately. Have you heard of the Exit Tax? Capital gains are realized for high net worth individuals upon renouncing.

You still owe cap gains if you don't renounce and just expat. Unless you plan on just hiding and never setting foot in US again nor using any international banks cooperating with FinCen rules.

Puerto Rico offers tax free cap gains for residents, but you still owe on any gains realized up to the date you become a resident.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2017/02/27/renounce-u-s-heres-how-irs-computes-exit-tax/#45c8627287d4

No, I actually haven't heard of the exit tax. It does make sense to some degree, or at least it would if taxes were legitimate in the first place. But regardless of whether or not you'd choose to pay what you "owe" before renouncing, it still doesn't sound like anyone who expects any significant profits should be staying in the US any longer than absolutely necessary for whatever individual circumstances.

Agreed. However, I'm suspecting you're not married or have many close family relations in the US? The moment I brought up renouncing to my wife, and that she would need to apply for visas to visit family, friends, etc., well... you can imagine the response. Although she's warming up to it proportionally to crypto value.

Which begs the question, how much is US citizenship worth? A US passport gets you in a lot of places without visas or trouble. Attaining citizenship in another country takes time and often a good deal of (traceable, taxable) fiat. Although being stateless is an option, it's not recommended for long. You have no rights, anywhere.





77. Post 26812722 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: BTCMILLIONAIRE on December 23, 2017, 01:05:21 AM
Yeah, every trade is a taxable event to US persons. Whether that is buying coffee or litecoin. It is property according to the IRS.

Even if you thought you could get away with the like kind exchange rule, you still have to report every trade individually on the exemption form.

If it were classified as a stock, you could just report net gains and losses but not so with property.

They have made compliance nearly impossible so unless someone passes a law to exempt transactions prior to a certain date, a lot of people are going to owe back taxes and penalties if not jail time.
Simple solution: Become an expat.

Not so easy or simple, unfortunately. Have you heard of the Exit Tax? Capital gains are realized for high net worth individuals upon renouncing.

You still owe cap gains if you don't renounce and just expat. Unless you plan on just hiding and never setting foot in US again nor using any international banks cooperating with FinCen rules.

Puerto Rico offers tax free cap gains for residents, but you still owe on any gains realized up to the date you become a resident.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2017/02/27/renounce-u-s-heres-how-irs-computes-exit-tax/#45c8627287d4

No, I actually haven't heard of the exit tax. It does make sense to some degree, or at least it would if taxes were legitimate in the first place. But regardless of whether or not you'd choose to pay what you "owe" before renouncing, it still doesn't sound like anyone who expects any significant profits should be staying in the US any longer than absolutely necessary for whatever individual circumstances.

Agreed. However, I'm suspecting you're not married or have many close family relations in the US? The moment I brought up renouncing to my wife, and that she would need to apply for visas to visit family, friends, etc., well... you can imagine the response. Although she's warming up to it proportionally to crypto value.

Which begs the question, how much is US citizenship worth? A US passport gets you in a lot of places without visas or trouble. Attaining citizenship in another country takes time and often a good deal of (traceable, taxable) fiat. Although being stateless is an option, it's not recommended for long. You have no rights, anywhere.



Can't your wife just live with you while you "make all the money" as a renounced citizen? That way you wouldn't have to tax your profits, and she could visit her relatives without any issues.

And no, I don't live in the US so that's not a concern for me. And my family would follow me blindly if I asked them to and told them that I'd take care of everything.

And really, considering that the lowest CGT rate is 20% in the US I'd take the money and apply for visas over keeping citizenship to a mess of a country. There are other countries that have "free passes" to most relevant places and low taxes too, although I don't know how difficult it would be for an US citizen to get citizenship there. I'd imagine it can't be too bad.

If long term cap gains are your only income, then the first $70k (married) is 0%, the next half a million is 15%, anything over half a million is 20%.  The effect tax rate on half a million is only 12%.  On a modest $150k realized per year, the effective tax rate is 8%. That's like sales tax, dude.

Agreed that the country is a hot mess. After years of expating, I just returned. Poor timing.




78. Post 26863889 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.35h):

Quote from: mr angry on December 24, 2017, 03:20:59 AM
Proper double bottom incoming over the next few days

In the next few days the people who took in loans to buy BTC at 18-20 k will start to sell  Sad

I thought similar dumps would happen this time last year, and bitcoin's price shot up above the 2013 ATH instead. All this year I kept expecting huge crashes, and it just corrected a little then carried on going up. Maybe bitcoin adoption is speeding up so fast it's preventing any huge crashes. Maybe it will soon be above 20 k.

Friends I talked to years ago about Bitcoin and completely given up any hope on taking action have finally decided these last few days to jump in. Timid sideliners are just starting to pull the trigger, precisely because of MSM news coverage of the correction. Bitcoin's on sale! I thought I would have to put a gun to their head to finally make a move. Turns out WuVer's BEECrash did it for me. Go figure.



79. Post 26864301 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.35h):

Quote from: yonton on December 24, 2017, 03:47:45 AM
In the next few days the people who took in loans to buy BTC at 18-20 k will start to sell  Sad

We have seen LOTS of shorts squeezed on this rise.  When is the last time you remember seeing some cataclysmic longs squeezed to implode the price?  It hasn't happened since the price was in the $400-800 range probably. Everything is cyclical.  The draught of long squeezes has to invert at some point.

this is because with rising BTC price the value of your collateral for your leverages increases too - atleast this is my view; i usually dont use leverage.

Well, it's mostly because there are people who own like 200,000 coins and can't sell them without imploding the market, so they're essentially illiquid, toxic assets.  On the other hand, they can use their toxic assets as margin collateral to squeeze shorts and also to do pump and dumps.  If you live in a civilization that facilitates people to leverage toxic assets and create a toxic asset at 3x the price of a non-leveraged one, take a good look around because all this shit is going to be crumbling down on top of you soon and that applies to both bitcoin + Wall Street.
Every time the market dumps, it also purges those giant holders from the market. This distributes coins out to more holders which strengthens the market.

Really? You mean besides WuVer? I can't help but think these are recent bag holders dumping, not HODLers!



80. Post 26864433 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.35h):

Quote from: yonton on December 24, 2017, 03:53:43 AM
In the next few days the people who took in loans to buy BTC at 18-20 k will start to sell  Sad

We have seen LOTS of shorts squeezed on this rise.  When is the last time you remember seeing some cataclysmic longs squeezed to implode the price?  It hasn't happened since the price was in the $400-800 range probably. Everything is cyclical.  The draught of long squeezes has to invert at some point.

this is because with rising BTC price the value of your collateral for your leverages increases too - atleast this is my view; i usually dont use leverage.

Well, it's mostly because there are people who own like 200,000 coins and can't sell them without imploding the market, so they're essentially illiquid, toxic assets.  On the other hand, they can use their toxic assets as margin collateral to squeeze shorts and also to do pump and dumps.  If you live in a civilization that facilitates people to leverage toxic assets and create a toxic asset at 3x the price of a non-leveraged one, take a good look around because all this shit is going to be crumbling down on top of you soon and that applies to both bitcoin + Wall Street.
Every time the market dumps, it also purges those giant holders from the market. This distributes coins out to more holders which strengthens the market.

Really? You mean besides WuVer? I can't help but think these are recent bag holders dumping, not HODLers!
Nope recent holders don't have enough coins to move the market like this. It is clearly early adopters cashing out large amounts of coins.

Early adopters don't dump on the exchanges. They call Bobby Cho at Cumberland Mining and sell direct to institutions or high net worth peeps. Min transaction $100,000. Million dollar transactions preferred.



81. Post 26864706 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.35h):

Quote from: yonton on December 24, 2017, 04:01:38 AM
In the next few days the people who took in loans to buy BTC at 18-20 k will start to sell  Sad

We have seen LOTS of shorts squeezed on this rise.  When is the last time you remember seeing some cataclysmic longs squeezed to implode the price?  It hasn't happened since the price was in the $400-800 range probably. Everything is cyclical.  The draught of long squeezes has to invert at some point.

this is because with rising BTC price the value of your collateral for your leverages increases too - atleast this is my view; i usually dont use leverage.

Well, it's mostly because there are people who own like 200,000 coins and can't sell them without imploding the market, so they're essentially illiquid, toxic assets.  On the other hand, they can use their toxic assets as margin collateral to squeeze shorts and also to do pump and dumps.  If you live in a civilization that facilitates people to leverage toxic assets and create a toxic asset at 3x the price of a non-leveraged one, take a good look around because all this shit is going to be crumbling down on top of you soon and that applies to both bitcoin + Wall Street.
Every time the market dumps, it also purges those giant holders from the market. This distributes coins out to more holders which strengthens the market.

Really? You mean besides WuVer? I can't help but think these are recent bag holders dumping, not HODLers!
Nope recent holders don't have enough coins to move the market like this. It is clearly early adopters cashing out large amounts of coins.

Early adopters don't dump on the exchanges. They call Bobby Cho at Cumberland Mining and sell direct to institutions or high net worth peeps. Min transaction $100,000. Million dollar transactions preferred.
The markets are liquid enough to buy/sell a million $ worth on exchanges easy. OTC isn't as big as people think now.

Hahaha. Have you tried depositing/withdrawing $1,000,000 from Coinbase? Or Gemini? Or Bitstamp? In one day? Sure you can exchange it with perhaps minimal slippage if you're not panic selling, but good luck getting it out!!!

No thank you sir, I prefer to close on a fatty fat wire direct to my account, same day.



82. Post 27110091 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.35h):

Quote from: TERA2 on December 28, 2017, 10:52:27 AM


Bitcoin was a $5-10 billion market at most in late 2013, concentrated on a handful of exchanges, most infamously Mt Gox, which was manipulated by Karpeles' Willie bot followed by the catastrophic loss of Bitcoin and collapse of the whole exchange and fragile ecosystem. You know this, Tera.

Bitcoin is now at least a $200B market cap by itself and has established itself as the trading foundation of an overall crypto market of half a trillion and is even legal tender in Japan of all places, in spite of Mt Gox. There are hundreds of exchanges in dozens of countries and massive infrastructure and overhead now invested in Bitcoin's future. Sure there are many who want to see it fail, mainly governments, regulators and old-school investors, but there are now far too many devoted to seeing it succeed.

I understand the importance of chronic unease and cautious optimism in such a volatile investment. But now it just seems you are just trying to incite doom and gloom, you are trying to instill fear, uncertainty and doubt, you are searching for patterns to corroborate your... hope, is it?? Hope that Bitcoin will continue to fall?  Because it doesn't just seem like fear driving your prognostications. It actually seems like you seriously hoping Bitcoin will stumble and fall into a multi-year bear market and retest old lows. Is this all stemming from regret? Regret that you didn't buy enough to exit this whole game by now and the hope that you can scoop up some more cheap coin?

Rough patches remain ahead, no doubt, but the days of $300 or $3000 coin are Christmas past.



83. Post 27110737 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.35h):

Quote from: d_eddie on December 28, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
This is why all American "coin traders" should move to Puerto Rico ASAP - can't beat 0% taxes Smiley

http://www.portocapital.com/puerto-rico-act-22-tax-incentives-legislations-individual-investors-act/

Pretty sure PR doesn't have internet in most areas after this hurricane.
I think you can have PR residency and operate remotely from another location.

Your gains prior to moving to PR are still taxed, only future gains are zero. 183 days of residency are required and you cannot have a taxable home (or supported children) living in the mainland anymore. FEMA emergencies do not count against residency for a maximum of two weeks I think.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p570.pdf



84. Post 27126790 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: TERA2 on December 28, 2017, 09:15:00 PM


Bitcoin was a $5-10 billion market at most in late 2013, concentrated on a handful of exchanges, most infamously Mt Gox, which was manipulated by Karpeles' Willie bot followed by the catastrophic loss of Bitcoin and collapse of the whole exchange and fragile ecosystem. You know this, Tera.

Bitcoin is now at least a $200B market cap by itself and has established itself as the trading foundation of an overall crypto market of half a trillion and is even legal tender in Japan of all places, in spite of Mt Gox. There are hundreds of exchanges in dozens of countries and massive infrastructure and overhead now invested in Bitcoin's future. Sure there are many who want to see it fail, mainly governments, regulators and old-school investors, but there are now far too many devoted to seeing it succeed.

I understand the importance of chronic unease and cautious optimism in such a volatile investment. But now it just seems you are just trying to incite doom and gloom, you are trying to instill fear, uncertainty and doubt, you are searching for patterns to corroborate your... hope, is it?? Hope that Bitcoin will continue to fall?  Because it doesn't just seem like fear driving your prognostications. It actually seems like you seriously hoping Bitcoin will stumble and fall into a multi-year bear market and retest old lows. Is this all stemming from regret? Regret that you didn't buy enough to exit this whole game by now and the hope that you can scoop up some more cheap coin?

Rough patches remain ahead, no doubt, but the days of $300 or $3000 coin are Christmas past.

I understand you sentiments, as someone who must be losing big right now. However, they are not true. I did not miss out on this run. I made a fortune.
Why do I share TA like this?  I do it because I observed a pattern or because I believe in something. I actually do it in both directions. I dont do it becasue I want to manipulate the market. I do it either to spark up a conversation, have someone prove me wrong, or to get credit when something I said comes true. So far I'm on a good run. First I called a breakout above 17000 and then that a stop order at 18800 would be a good idea, then later on after the second drop I called a floor at 11700, and then I called a top at 16000. Next I'm calling a bounce at 8000. It's probably going to come true. In my mind all these things about the market needing to correct and test lows are simply pieces of inevitable logic, are healthy, and have nothing to do with fear or pessimism or malice. I dont know if we're going to enter a 3 year crypto winter like the chart above but I noticed that two segments of the chart looked almost exactly the same and wanted to stir up the opinions of analysts on here.

How is this TA?

Quote from: TERA on January 07, 2017, 02:46:33 AM


I see this is as the most realistic shape if there is going to be another bubble. Not months, years. The shape looks good at this will time for the USD to take over from China and for the coders to fix the throughput issues.



85. Post 27127048 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: AlcoHoDL on December 28, 2017, 11:18:51 PM
Yeah, Trezor. My only question there is what happens if they get hacked, and is there a way to run your own trezor server on your own system (so you don't every have to depend on the Trezor company to be in business)?

No need to worry. If the TREZOR company goes bust, just enter your seed in a Ledger. They are compatible. It's a standard. There will always be a way to get to your coins from your seed. Plus, the servers of these companies don't know (and can't know, by design) your seed or your private keys.

You can recover your Trezor/Ledger seeds in Electrum, too. First thing I tested when I got mine. Offline of course.



86. Post 27127797 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: mr angry on December 28, 2017, 11:47:28 PM
Never got into the whole HW wallet thing. Are they worth it?

Is there any one big significant drawback?

Someone said one brand of hardware wallet only had enough memory to let you store a few altcoins on it in addition to your bitcoins. I can't remember what brand it was and have never tried them myself.

The ledger nano s only lets you keep three or so wallet 'apps' at a time. But deleting a wallet app does not 'remove' the associated coins: as soon as you load the wallet app again with your pin, you can access your 'stored' coins again. It's apparently a security measure to minimize the amount of hackable storage. The ledger blue has more storage.

I also like the fact that hardware wallets are compatible with Electrum and maybe other wallet apps or browser apps, too. So you don't have you use the packaged wallets if you don't want to.



87. Post 27134904 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: gentlemand on December 29, 2017, 03:25:29 AM
Indeed. Those dry cleaning people are fond of putting microdot cameras on your clothes, powered by static electricity.

But where people really blow it is failing to do an enema before entering the room with the computer. Because you know what kind of people proctologists are, and they have been known to sneak into people's bedrooms at night to plant their malware....

C

That goes without saying of course.

But I start off with a similar routine to this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vw7E7uE3E

With a full removal of gut flora followed by a fecal transplant when my crypto business is complete.

Hahaha...




88. Post 27216931 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on December 30, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Well, same pattern as 2013 after gox. Could take some time to recover. Or it will never do because we have too many alts.

Sorry guys, I am depressed. It feels sad when you hold for years and such things happen. After every dip it's this feeling. But this time it feels a bit different.

Yep, that's the "Fear" stage Smiley



So it will get worse soon  Cheesy


I see that it is at "Bear Trap" ... Smiley

Agreed. I would even say we are still at Take off. Institutional Investors are only now just thinking about jumping in; very few actually have. The Public is only now becoming Aware--the vast majority have not inhaled.

For us long time HODLers looks like we'll finish off the year with Bitcoin up only 1200% instead of 1800% from the ATH, and Litecoin up only 4600% instead of 8000%. Sigh. Better luck next year?  Roll Eyes

For any bag-HODLers who bought at the ATH, don't despair. You're not a true HODLer until you've been branded by the valley of -50% returns at least once.  Kiss



89. Post 27218180 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: the artful bodger on December 30, 2017, 05:21:51 PM
You're not a true HODLer until you've been branded by the valley of -50% returns at least once.  Kiss

word

It's less than 30 days ago since it was below $10000. A few months in a $10000 to $20000 range would be healthy for the long term price. Nothing can keep doubling in price every two weeks forever. Gains like that are unsustainable.

Yep. 29 days since the last $10k doubling floor was established, if we don't breach it. From $5k to $10k was only 50 days, floor to floor. We still have until mid January for the $20k floor to be on pace with the previous doubling. I wouldn't complain if it took 70 or 90 days instead. Still looks healthy to me.




90. Post 27218652 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on December 30, 2017, 05:22:54 PM
You're not a true HODLer until you've been branded by the valley of -50% returns at least once.  Kiss

word

Over 4 years of hodling and I’m not a hodler?? WTF!!!!

Ok you get a special brand. Which cheek do you prefer?  Grin



91. Post 27318366 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.36h):

Quote from: Neo_Coin on December 31, 2017, 08:15:24 PM



Then ‘They Tax You’, rather.



92. Post 27557297 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.37h):

Quote from: mymenace on January 05, 2018, 07:31:50 PM
@_Kevin_Pham
32m32 minutes ago

Bitcoin started the hard fork trend, soon the world will follow.

Cities/States will secede from the US so they can follow protocol rules that suit their local the best.

This will result in governance experimentation, competition, and evolution at pace never seen before.
0 replies 4 retweets 27 likes


decentralize it all

Tribal rejuvenation! Only this time round, we have access to all the other tribes best practices. Systems are evolving faster than bureaucracies and regulators can possibly cope. Centralized knowledge with decentralized power. The world has never seen this before.



93. Post 27562940 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.37h):

Quote from: Toxic2040 on January 05, 2018, 09:44:23 PM


Altcoins Shitcoins be like:




94. Post 29044441 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.40h):

Quote from: cannycassiopeia on January 27, 2018, 03:55:06 PM
Holy crap! That is a bullish weekly pinbar if it closes like that in 24 hours!


My sentiments exactly... Nice volume spike... Can't stop staring at the 1 min chart drama playing out.

Bull flag coming to a close? Hope it holds!

Before Chinese New Year even!



95. Post 29049416 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.40h):

Alrighty, this baby breakout is making me brave enough to call $10,000 our new floor. Time for a doubling floor update!

$10k marks the 12th doubling since Bitcoin was $2.50 in 2012.

From $2.5k to $5k took 77 days.
From $5k to $10k has taken 100 days, if $10k holds.

The shortest doubling floor was from $20 to $40 in 39 days.
The longest doubling floor was from $80 to $160 in 546 days during the Mt Gox era.

I'm guesstimating from trend ~90 days from now we might establish $20,000 as a new floor, sometime in April?

As a HODLer, I prefer charting floors vs all-time highs. Traders prefer ATHs, I suppose. Too transient and susceptible to FUD for me.

Hopefully this is the last time we see quadruple digits!




96. Post 29057313 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.40h):

Quote from: Toxic2040 on January 27, 2018, 05:44:25 PM
@mfort312   extrapolating those doubling floor dates and time periods could be quite interesting.  Instead of 90 what would 183(or any of the other previous numbers)days look like. Looking the exact dates is probably also worth investigation.

Well a quick slice and dice aligned by calendar year might reveal some trends. But I doubt calendar numerology will get you too far.

With the exception of 2014, every year ended higher than it started. The lowest prices of the year were in Jan/Feb and highest in Dec, but this has already been pointed out.

2014 is the only year that ended lower than it started. This was following 2013 which achieved three doubling floors prior to Mt Gox rise and fall.

2017 achieved four doublings floors if $10k holds... Let's hope 2018 doesn't follow 2014's trend!






97. Post 29251096 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.40h):


So how worried should we really be about this imminent Tether implosion?

https://mashable.com/2018/01/29/bitcoin-tether-stablecoin-alleged-scam/

Anyone taking measures?



98. Post 29261764 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.40h):

Quote from: fabiorem on January 30, 2018, 06:40:31 PM
Tether is only 2.3 billion in a market of more than 500 billion.

Think about it for a minute.


Tether is not intended to be speculative. There's supposed to be $2.3B actual fiat backing it.

vs crypto "market cap", which is hugely speculative. It's not an actual valuation, it's simply supply x price.

So yes, the collapse of Tether could have a hugely disproportionate effect on the whole crypto market if it's backed by little to nothing.



99. Post 29340281 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):


$10,000 is a pretty entertaining psychological barrier.

There are the stubborn buyers who refuse to buy 5 digit Bitcorn, but snatch it up the moment it drops a mere 0.1% into "paltry" $9k territory.

And then there the stubborn sellers who refuse to part with 4 digit Bitcorn, quickly selling it the moment it rises a mere 0.1% into "lofty" $10k territory.

Up and down we go, like a see-saw.

Or like a fisherman at the $10k waters edge, trying to reel in $9k fish. While the fish are leaping out of the water determined to catch juicy $10k bugs.

The indecision in today's market is boringly maddening. Looks like we'll close on a doji.



100. Post 29346118 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):

Quote from: PoolMinor on January 31, 2018, 10:37:08 PM
Mmmm next price poll after 16feb...?? But between ...?? These days iT can be everything , Just Hoping everybody keeps on hodling down here So we can all MOON together

Tuff times these days but buissnes like allways



What is the significance of 2/16?  There is some conference that has been taken over by Bcash around then, and expecting another Bcash pumpening around that time, no?  Which may or may not affect BTC prices, I suppose they would want to pump bcash and to attack bitcoin at the same time and propose the cashening, as oppose to the flippening as oppose to the rippling, as opposed to the tethering as opposed to the dashening?  keeping up can be difficult, no?

Are you drunk?
Where do you see any mention of BCH in the post you quoted?

Edit:
I believe the reason he mentioned Feb 16 is because it would be the next 2 week period after Feb 1-15......Feb 16-28 for the poll.

Feb 16 is also Chinese New Year



101. Post 29349587 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):

Quote from: Biodom on February 01, 2018, 12:35:10 AM
I tried to restart the bull earlier today by making a small btc sell  Cheesy
It worked in March, and so far it is working today, lol

Do it again. I've never been so happy to see the price rise $100.



102. Post 29390358 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):

Quote from: mfort312 on January 31, 2018, 08:39:11 PM

$10,000 is a pretty entertaining psychological barrier.

There are the stubborn buyers who refuse to buy 5 digit Bitcorn, but snatch it up the moment it drops a mere 0.1% into "paltry" $9k territory.

And then there the stubborn sellers who refuse to part with 4 digit Bitcorn, quickly selling it the moment it rises a mere 0.1% into "lofty" $10k territory.

Up and down we go, like a see-saw.

Or like a fisherman at the $10k waters edge, trying to reel in $9k fish. While the fish are leaping out of the water determined to catch juicy $10k bugs.

The indecision in today's market is boringly maddening. Looks like we'll close on a doji.




103. Post 29398659 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):


This is not the sharp-bottomed high-volume turnaround I'm expecting. It needs to be louder. More to come?

Panic hasn't quite set in yet... this still looks like a very well-measured capitulation, with a very polite exchange of hands between bag-holders and reloaders.

Still only half the volume of the previous two big drops since ATH.

I'm guessing we need to be a bit closer to Chinese New Year for full panic mode to hit, although I really wish we would just get this Brazilian wax job over with and be done with it.





104. Post 29414200 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on February 01, 2018, 09:38:49 PM
I wanted more pain than that. Angry

Yeah, that was barely even a pinprick!





105. Post 29450730 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):

Welp, I think I see the floor...

Below all the muck, piss, and tears and BobLawblaw's beer shits and

--ope!-- there goes Tera sacrificially tossed over the edge, sorry buddy, we should have all listened to you more...

Take r0ach with you please, though... And kwukduck, too.




106. Post 29451264 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.41h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on February 02, 2018, 12:24:29 PM
damn tulips

My wife brought home a giant vase of tulips this week.  Been watching them bloom in concert with this correction.

She has no idea the significance.

Ah well...

What's better than roses on a piano?

Tulips on an organ!  Kiss



107. Post 29621234 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.42h):

Quote from: Ted E. Bare on February 05, 2018, 02:34:32 AM
Who's selling at these prices and why?

More importantly, who's not buying at these prices and why?



108. Post 29664228 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.42h):

Quote from: Icygreen on February 05, 2018, 04:00:14 PM
The FUD is getting stronger, I'm feeling it now the same nervousness from 16k-19.5k.  I know there are a lot of people waiting and now considering buying in so the price likely won't get too low or the whales will lose to distribution. Not that I entirely know how prices in this market work but strong emotions have been excellent indicators in the past. I think panic will come with the next leg or 2 down.

I'm getting real close to panic buying. Last time that happened was the drop from $3k to $1.8k.

Edit: If it drops to $5k I might sell the house.  Shocked



109. Post 29678547 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.42h):


This whole price discovery process reminds me of that Fight Club scene:

"I felt like destroying something beautiful."

We all know how the central banks fared at the end of that movie.

"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

7000! Where's our memes?

Get the 8000 memes ready. And most especially $10k.

All those late-to the-party pansy whiners who were wishing, praying for a correction to load up on, here it is. Load up!

The magical Bitcoin time machine only comes around once, twice, three times at most...



110. Post 29744764 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.42h):


choo choo



111. Post 29879945 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.43h):



Dear Mom,

Today marks the 5th night in a row we’ve been holed up below the 200EMA. Although the bears stopped their relentless selling a couple days ago, most of us HODLers are still sell-shocked. For some, millions in fiat have been wiped from their balance sheets. We still don’t know what happened to the permabulls, no one expected they were going to abandon us at the 100EMA. Charlie spotted a couple longhorns making some short runs in the last couple days; we can only pray they’re enough to pull us out of our 200EMA foxhole. Rumor is some institutional wannabe cowboys were bringing a tractor-trailer full of steers, but you know how rumors go. Last I heard they’re still rallying behind their chief-of-the-moment Giancarlo, building up liquid courage.

There is ray of hope: For the first time in 11 days, we might close over the 7EMA today or maybe tomorrow, fleeting though it might be. The soothing rain it brings might cool this scorched earth and let us breathe a little more freely.

Some of the guys are most worried about crossing no man’s land between the 200EMA and 100EMA. One step at a time, I told them: first let’s lumber over the 200EMA. On our way, if we’re lucky, in a week or less we might gain some air support from the 30EMA. If things are calm enough, we’ll make a break straight for the relative safety of the 100EMA wall. Here’s hoping none of us will be mauled to death on the way.

Over that 100EMA wall are hot showers and satellite phones to our families and food, REAL food. It’s disgusting, I hate to admit, but I’ve seen some of the guys eating shitcoins to survive. I heard Bitconnect killed a whole platoon, while Ripple made half our unit sick to their stomach. The guys fueling up on Monero won’t tell us how they feel and honestly I just can’t read them. Litecoin has sustained many with just mild indigestion, but ever since Charlie traded his whole stash for some secret deal with an unknown rancher, a lot of the guys just don’t trust it anymore.  No one wants to talk about BeeCrash since, you know, the Big Betrayal. And Ethereum. I don’t even want to talk about Ethereum. What little stomach contents I have just surged into my mouth a little.

Once we’re out, we pray to Karhu we won’t have to make a mad dash back to our 200EMA foxhole. If the bears bring even more leverage we might have to dig even deeper.

If the coast is clear we’ll make a mad dash to the 100EMA. I’ll call you then, Mom, I promise. If we get some long-awaited shore-leave far above the 100EMA, I’ll come visit straight away. Meanwhile, I’ll try and write again soon.

Love,


P.S. Send more of those lightning-nodes. They were tasty, but not nearly enough to sustain me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2905720.new#new



112. Post 29937979 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.43h):



Dear Son,

I know you think this is war, but this ain't nothing compared to being GOXXED! Every time I see that prison-reformed formerly-bubble-butted Karpeles it makes my skin crawl wondering where the hell he hid all his excess skin. It boils my blood to know even he, that SOB, has profited massively from the worst bear mauling the cryptosphere had ever seen!

So listen hear sonny-boy, while the gettin's good and cheap, you milk that correction cow, you milk her for everything she got!! And I promise you, sooner or later, she will deliver you the newborn bull run you've only ever dreamed of! I'm thinking $30k, $40k, hell even $100k if you still believe in the all-mighty-but-often-fallible Master Lucifer!

I heard from the news the 7EMA has arrived at your location. Hopefully it's helped quench the fire, shit, and brimstone you've been holed up in. It's amazing what a little break in the weather can do. If it lasts through the night, maybe you and the boys can find yourself a little glade for a little R&R with some local cowgirls. Never underestimate the potential of shithole locals to pull you out of a rough spot! After all, each and every one of us was delivered unto this world a mere fart's breath from a shithole whether we like it or not, and if we don't win this war against centralized finance, I guarantee you each and every one of us will end up right back in shithole status!



So HODL the 7EMA line! Keep your eye on the 200EMA; two or three more days and by all reports, you should be over the hump. But it ain't over yet, no-sir-sonny-boy-bob-ee, it over yet... You make your way for that 100EMA as fast as your gangrene legs can take you! Ditch every one of your soon-to-be-worthless shitcoins along the way, vault over the 30EMA without pause, and become the hyperbolic son I've always known you can be!

Your loving father,


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2905720.0



113. Post 30229590 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.44h):

Quote from: svdleer on February 13, 2018, 06:58:14 PM
Can anyone turn the volume back on?

It seems like the cryptosphere is holding its breath until Chinese New Year (Feb 16) is over. I suspect the second half of Feb into March we'll see a thaw. Esp as Korean exchanges and account holders fall into regulatory order.



114. Post 30276571 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.44h):

Quote from: toknormal on February 14, 2018, 01:12:51 PM

Why do we always need to wait for Zerohedge to start posting to know what the reason for the pump is. Are there no "insiders" on here ?

Quote from: mfort312 on February 13, 2018, 07:15:17 PM
Can anyone turn the volume back on?

It seems like the cryptosphere is holding its breath until Chinese New Year (Feb 16) is over. I suspect the second half of Feb into March we'll see a thaw. Esp as Korean exchanges and account holders fall into regulatory order.


edit:

I agree this feel more technical but sometimes people need a bit more reason to act on technicals, even if it's only psychological or numerology-based. TA is numerology though...



115. Post 30287543 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.44h):


Inverse head and shoulders breaking out on the 1 hr. Choo choo!

Nice symmetry on the shoulders.




116. Post 30297514 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.44h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on February 14, 2018, 07:23:45 PM


Translation: BTFD



117. Post 30450674 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.44h):


Let's assume (for the third or fourth time, I know) that this is the last time we see quad-digits. Dangerous, I know, but I get impatient.

Since my last update, this means Da Bears only managed to erode into a single doubling floor, extending the $5k to $10k floor by 21 more days, for a total of 121 days since we last saw $5k.

For reference, the Mt Gox correction eroded three presumed doubling floors ($640, $320, $160), taking over three years to reestablish these support levels.

Projecting from trend, I'm thinking another 90 days until we establish $20k as a new floor, maybe around mid-May.

$10k marks the 12th Bitcoin doubling floor since $2.50 in 2012.
The shortest doubling floor was 39 days from $20 to $40.
The longest doubling floor was 546 days from $80 to $160 post-Mt Gox.

As a HODLer, I prefer charting floors vs all-time highs. ATHs are too transient and susceptible to FUD, making them more suitable for rektees traders.  Grin

Go Bitcoin Go!



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2834180.msg29061043



118. Post 30451254 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.44h):

Quote from: infofront on February 17, 2018, 03:45:03 AM
So, when are we going to hit $1,000,000?

Let's project.  Smiley

If we assume the average doubling floor time of 6 months over the last 5 years (including the 2014-2015 bear market):

$20k Aug 2018
$40k Feb 2019
$80k Aug 2019
$160k Feb 2020
$320k Aug 2020
$640k Feb 2021
$1.28MM Aug 2021

Three and a half more years.

If the doubling time persists at 3 months (the approx. average of the last three doublings), then just under two years. Mid 2020.

Wow.

edit: skipped a year



119. Post 30696839 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.45h):



Dear Papa,

There was resistance as expected at the 100EMA, but we made our way across no man's land from the 200EMA as quickly as I'd hoped in my last letter to mama. For three days, our unit made daily raids over the wall, only to retreat and regroup by night. If we can HODL the line today, it will mark the first full day in 35 days we've spent north of the 100EMA wall.

I can smell fear in the bears' musk. They are nervous and anxious. Some of the shorter units are getting squeezed out by our long lines. It won't be long before they fully retreat. Reinforcements are preparing to swoop in behind us and shore up the wall, so hopefully this is the last time we retreat this deeply. We are winning over the hearts and minds of institutions and citizens alike. Soon, no tyrannical government will be able to resist us. We answer to a higher calling.

Tell Mama it won't be long before I'm home to celebrate another ATH. Perhaps when the spring tulips are in full bloom again.

Your battle-hardened son,


The Full Saga:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2905720.new#new



120. Post 31873359 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.47h):


The symmetry of this beast is astonishing...

So far.


4H candles



121. Post 31874023 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.47h):

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on March 08, 2018, 07:37:57 PM
The symmetry of this beast is astonishing...

So far.


I certainly like your arrow.  What symmetry?

Really? Ok, maybe my mammalian brain is just pattern-seeking...


4H candles (Jan - Present)



122. Post 31919081 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.47h):


As soul-crushing as it feels for the price to capriciously fluctuate $2-3,000 from one day to the next:

I am still incredulous the price hasn't tested below $5,000 even ONCE since we sliced through it like butter five months ago.

The daily 200MA is still RISING and currently sits at ~$9,000.  Hell, the 100MA is only now flattening out just over $12,000!

The market has more or less ABSORBED all these Mt Gox mega-dookies, like a thirsty sponge, averaging +/-$10,000 for much of the time.

At least this time, once we finally pass $10,000 for the last time and eventually hit a new ATH, HODLers will feel like they frucking EARNED it.

  Cool



123. Post 32221677 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.48h):

Quote from: TERA on January 07, 2017, 02:46:33 AM


I see this is as the most realistic shape if there is going to be another bubble. Not months, years. The shape looks good at this will time for the USD to take over from China and for the coders to fix the throughput issues.

This is still my favorite TeraBeara chart from a year ago. According to her long-term prognostications, we should be around $800 right now. Hey, only 1 order of magnitude off!

Accordingly, if Tera believes we'll hit $3,000 this year, maybe we'll hit $30,000 instead!  Grin

I mean no ill-will, Tera. We've needed a few PermaBears to round out all the PermaBulls, and I've appreciated you reining in the troops' lofty expectations at times.

But life can't be all doom and gloom. We need hope, too, and I hope you find yours.



124. Post 32379992 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.48h):

Quote from: Paashaas on March 15, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
Lightning mainnet release lnd-0.4 beta  Cool

https://blog.lightning.engineering/announcement/2018/03/15/lnd-beta.html

This should be huge news, if it weren't drowning in a sea of speculation FUD.

Once we tag bottom, hopefully fundamentals and technical improvements such as these will once again take center stage and carry us to the next ATH.

As painful as this correction has been, it really is helping to purge all the blind speculation, ICOs, useless forks and other scams.



125. Post 32405490 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.48h):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q

For every turd of FUD out there, there's some unicorn sherbet just waiting to be dispensed...

TURD: US Congressional Hearings: "Bitcoin is a Crock for Men in Pajamas!"
SHERBERT:
 - Congress is actually talking about us? Who cares about the actual verbal diarrhea coming out their congressional gobholes... By merely talking about us, they further legitimize crypto.
 - As an aside, does Sherman really believe that men in pajamas don't also fruckin trade stocks, options, real estate, derivatives and precious metals while telling their wives they'll be millionaires one day? What an idiot.

TURD: Mt Gox Trustee market sells BTC and BCH
SHERBERT:
 - Goxees are actually receiving settlements?! Wowee. How much of that will come right back into crypto? Kobayashi may be an idiot, and a short-lived one at that, but the fact that Bitcoin has appreciated so frucking much that the trustee only needed to liquidate 15% of the recovered stash to pay back ALL the creditors' claims is a miracle in and of itself. That's not exactly how the story ended with Bernie Madoff's clients. This fact is being WAY under-reported. I can't believe the market is focused so much more on slippage instead of Bitcoin's incredible asset appreciation since then. The real idiots in this story are the judge and creditors who insisted on being paid back in fiat-equivalent at the time of Gox's collapse instead of Bitcoin, just because the price of BTC continued to collapse post-Mt Gox. Oh ye of little faith, careful what you ask for and now eat your frucking cake!
 - BTC dominance 42% and rising!
 - BCH $600 hahaha

TURD: Google and Facebook ban crypto ads
SHERBET:
 - Fruck the ICOs, Shitecoins, Exchanges, and Scammers!!!!
 - Bitcoin dominance 42% and rising!

TURD: Bitcoin searches trending down
SHERBERT:
 - Dude, who really needs to search for Bitcoin now that it's being reported daily on CNBC, NPR, WSJ, Twitter, newsfeeds, etc etc? Everyone who's anyone with any interest or the means to delve into Bitcoin at this point in the adoption curve has already done so. They don't need to search for it anymore. They're already in it. To me, the fact that search trends spike and then fall off means that action has already been taken. When was the last time you googled "how to buy Bitcoin"?

TURD: Regulation Fears Driving Bitcoin Down
SHERBERT:
 - By choosing to regulate Bitcoin, governments further recognize its legitimacy and are forced to shine light on the benefits to society. Nobody sane wants Bitcoin, fiat, gold or anything else to fund terrorism or money-laundering, and the more Bitcoin is associated with the shadowy underworld, the more negative attention and regulation it will bring upon us. Bitcoin may have started on the backs of drug-dealers, but the crypto lot must also prove it can clean up well and be presentable at their parents' holiday dinner.

TURD: Bitcoin is no longer profitable for miners
SHERBERT:
 - HAHAHAHA.

I'm sure we all have a little sherbert to dispense...



126. Post 32413629 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.48h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 16, 2018, 02:19:52 AM

Does anyone here have any experience of internet meets? I have a sneaking feeling they'd be fucking horrifying. And for some of the longstanding members there must be people with grudges against them out there, let alone blown opsec with wallet balances being linkable.

I'll send an actor. Or a cat.

Once. I did it once when I was 12 years old. This was pre-internet days; a dial-up BBS meet-up in the 80s.

Wow was that awkward. These guys were NOTHING like I imagined from their online personas. Granted, I was pretty fucking naive.

Some things are just better left imagined.




127. Post 32463160 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.48h):

Quote from: Anon136 on March 16, 2018, 08:53:28 AM
While you are busy scalping pennies in front of a steamroller...


Powerful. I am going to try to always keep this perspective in mind.






128. Post 32608389 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):

Previous Bitcoin corrections have largely been driven by amateur speculation. Any whales that existed were early adopters, merchants or exchanges: Lucky, unsavory, or entrepreneurial sons of bitches, more or less.

2017 marked the beginning of true institutional interest and speculation. Prior to this, the market cap was so low, institutions were basically barred entry due to a lack of serious value/supply, regulation, infrastructure and legitimacy. And here we are now in 2018 with futures markets, MSM coverage, regulations on the horizon, congressional hearings, even exchanges on the cusp of appearing legitimate, and much more on the way. Analysts predict the crypto market cap to breach a trillion soon enough in the years to come.

However, this Mt Gox bankruptcy case illustrates the issues institutions face when trying to enter or exit this relatively small crypto market. A $400MM to $2B court-ordered liquidation is no small beans to be sure, but it's a mere drop in the global commodities bucket, especially considering full liquidation will take place over months to years. If Bitcoin really wants to be taken seriously by the big boys, dozens of Mt Goxes need to be able to enter and exit the market at any given time, without the whole market melting down, psychologically or otherwise.

And so 2018 marks a pivot point. Amateur speculators are spooked beyond belief and exiting the market in droves. But I think institutions are just starting to lick their chops and down-right salivate over the opportunity being handed to them. A global commodity that can and will be fiat-regulated, with a deflationary supply that cannot be artificially modified, an immutable public ledger, and unbreakable security if done right, barring any quantum leaps. We all know the technological benefits of Bitcoin are a dream come true for institutions, much more so than for the average Joe Public. Amateur speculators have been dreaming for this moment, the day when institutions take their little pet project seriously.

So what I don't understand is why everyone is suddenly running away, quitting the race, and basically just handing over the reins to the big boys for what is gearing up to be only 15% of December's price?

Because of one Mt Gox? Because of fear of regulation? Because of a crackdown on scammers? Because of fucking Google advertisements?

What gives, people? Isn't this what we were all waiting for?

I'm seeing a lot of talk of a protracted crypto winter like we saw in 2014. Do we honestly think the big boys are going to wait that long?

That's like leaving a massive, meaty pachyderm carcass on the savannah, expecting the lions and vultures will just leave it alone for you through the winter.





129. Post 32779792 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):


Prepare to recycle the $9000 memes.



130. Post 32842310 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):

 
Admittedly crude shits and giggles:



If we stay above the trend line unbroken since BTC's origin in 2010, BTC will be no lower than $13.5k by year's end.

If we stay above the trend line unbroken since BTC's first bubble correction in 2011, BTC will be no lower than $7.5k by year's end.

If, however, we stay on the trend line unbroken since the 2017 bull run, BTC will be no lower than $43k by year's end.

Which will break? Which will hold?

Who will HODL? Who will SODL?



131. Post 32857667 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):


History rhymes, it never repeats.

Which time best rhymes with now?

Vote here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3174299.0





132. Post 32862434 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on March 21, 2018, 08:02:37 PM

History rhymes, it never repeats.

Which time best rhymes with now?

Vote here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3174299.0



E=MC2


What do i win?!

Pure Energy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRyHZccoAsk



133. Post 32951478 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):

Quote from: Ivor Biggun on March 23, 2018, 02:56:05 AM


Assnostication:

Dump in progress.



134. Post 32984954 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):

Quote from: bitserve on March 23, 2018, 01:29:47 PM
If this time the price were gonna rebound on a higher low.... what would be that (theoretical) price/resistance? 7600-7800?

Asking for a friend.

$7500, if it doesn't break the trendline formed by the two previous dips.

The optimist in me says this looks like a mighty fine bull goose pennant.

Death cross be damned: This goose will just lay a golden cross.


1D: 7/50/200 SMA



135. Post 32993361 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):

Quote from: Phil_S on March 23, 2018, 03:20:58 PM

1D: 7/50/200 SMA

Nice. Looks like we're not going under $8000. Never ever.


It's only a trend line until it's not. One of these lines will be broken soon enough. Or even both.



136. Post 33223768 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.49h):

We're now on month three of higher lows and lower highs. Not much foot or head room to keep playing this game, two or three weeks tops before one or the other trend line breaks.

Anyone pay attention to ALFAquote's Fair Price Index? The market certainly doesn't seem to. Too bad something like this doesn't make it on MSM finance reporting, to help with price discovery, futures, sentiment, etc.



Are there other published indices like these? Stocks and equity markets have all kinds of economic indicators to guide fair value. Methinks this is sorely needed in the crypto world, too, and tying it to spot mining costs is probably about as good it can get.

How low is low enough for bulls to realize these are already bargain bin prices? For any remaining butt-hurt bears on the fence to finally GTFO and leave us to our rockets, trains and violins?



137. Post 33301332 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

Quote from: Phil_S on March 27, 2018, 01:51:09 PM
Trying to draw the mighty goose (thanks to mfort312) myself here...



Soon...

...let's hope for a double goosing!



edit: rotated optimistically



138. Post 33474701 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

KEEP CALM AND HODL ON
Fundstrat's Tom Lee Interview
https://twitter.com/CNBCFastMoney/status/979112471037345792

"BTC gains driven by just 9 days per year on average"


Institutions are just salivating over the current prices. Average Joe speculators are just handing over the reins, quaking in fear.

Isn't it ironic that the very systems Bitcoin was created to circumvent will be Bitcoin's apparent savior for the next bull run?

Institutional bulltards are gonna plow right through this quivering mass of amateur instabears.

Pathetic, really.



139. Post 33477289 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

Quote from: fragout on March 29, 2018, 08:27:48 PM
KEEP CALM AND HODL ON
Fundstrat's Tom Lee Interview
https://twitter.com/CNBCFastMoney/status/979112471037345792

"BTC gains driven by just 9 days per year on average"

Institutions are just salivating over the current prices. Average Joe speculators are just handing over the reins, quaking in fear.

Isn't it ironic that the very systems Bitcoin was created to circumvent will be Bitcoin's apparent savior for the next bull run?

Institutional bulltards are gonna plow right through this quivering mass of amateur instabears.

Pathetic, really.

Just watched it. He does seem quite positive, doesn't he. But when moon Tommy Huh

Here's a hint: look at the dates in his chart. It ain't March.



140. Post 33478299 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):


CALLING ALL WEAK HANDS!!

Now's the time to dump!

Give us the volume spike we need to lay down a new track!

Don't let the caboose hit you on the way out!

CCMF



141. Post 33493319 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

Already old news? 3 hrs ago

https://twitter.com/whalepool/status/979535185321570304
Looks like @OKEx_ will be rolling back balance data to Hong Kong 5:00, March 30
They will settle all the open interest and issue new contract and resume by 15:30 Hong Kong time
This is the proper decision. Total deviation occurred at this point. Fair outcome.





142. Post 33518820 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

Quote from: TERA2 on March 30, 2018, 11:30:03 AM
Do bears get any memes? Bulls have trains and rockets. What do bears have - dump trucks?



We totally need t-shirts made to sport at the next halvening:

I SURVIVED THE REKTONING
(of 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2018...)

LOVE IN THE TIME OF GOX

KEEP CALM AND HODL ON

I SODL AT THE BOTTOM

OKGO? OKEX'D OKREPEAT



143. Post 33534646 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

Daily volume needs to double or triple before the end of the day to turn this into a legitimate support bounce.

Might need to breach $6000 again to do it.

Still an unbelievable amount of wishy-washiness going on:

Anyone who bought in at less than $1000, this is still too expensive to buy MOAR.

Anyone who bought in from $1000 to $5000 has trigger fingers hovering over the sell button.

Anyone who bought in from $5000 to $10,000 is probably paralyzed with indecision. Should I buy or should I sell now?

Anyone who bought in from $10,000 to $20,000 is spinning on the floor blowing snot bubbles out their nose from tears of disbelief while their girlfriends/sig others/parents are trying to figure out how to panic sell for them.

Anyone who bought in at less than $100 is probably sipping on a cocktail, contemplating either the lambo or the speedboat this weekend.




144. Post 33537341 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

Quote from: cofefeGandalf on March 30, 2018, 04:20:33 PM
I don't like how there's like no desperation at all, way to many hodlers. Thats not how capitulation is supposed to work.  Roll Eyes

Let your hope go already, I want my moon back!

Shitcoiners, who got us into this mess, have every reason to be desperate. Go check out their forums.

Bitcoiner OGs, the Bogdanoff bros got our back, yo.



145. Post 33691566 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.50h):

Quote from: darenyu on April 01, 2018, 02:26:28 PM

Breaking news, the UK has stated they are going to ban cryptocurrency.


UK Royal Family Secretly Buying Huge Quantities of Bitcoin

“Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth wishes to express her joy that His Royal Highness The Prince Of Wales has, at long last, found a way to make some filthy lucre.”



"After three centuries as banker to Britain’s rich and famous, from Charles Dickens to Queen Elizabeth II, Coutts, one of the world’s oldest banks, is trying to modernize. They are allegedly employing a team of agents to buy bitcoins from localbitcoin sellers around the globe. Often paying with sacks of cash, or trucks filled with gold bars."

 Grin



146. Post 33862430 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: gentlemand on April 03, 2018, 06:13:36 PM

And I may be rich, but I still like a deal. This is my new crib, it was a bargain, and I don't care if you find out where it is.



Because it will have moved by then.

Fascinating. I've always wondered how seasteads were launched.

 Grin



147. Post 33864475 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: Ivor Biggun on April 03, 2018, 06:39:47 PM
We are nearing the daily high of $7450 again. Breakout?

The daily high is now very close to $7500. Bullish?

It would be nice to see some actual volume accompany this rise.

When FOMO?

edit:

We're up 16% in the last couple days. How's that comparing with Wall St?



148. Post 33952912 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):


Congratulations, Ladies and Gents:

We have achieved PEAK MISERY! We're talking UNPARALLELED MISERY, not seen since Sept 2011. People actually had a valid reasons to be miserable then. Their Bitcorn only worth two dollar.

Now, we're just a bunch of whiny instabears worried about such terribly frightening issues as futures, taxation, regulation, hacks, bankruptcy settlements, and for fuck's sake, the tanking stock market?

Seriously people, if you can't see these issues are all GOOD NEWS for Bitcoin going forward, then GTFO. Sell your coins to someone worthy of sweetly CODLing them, for years to come if they have to. (OTC or P2P, of course. Don't you dare touch the Cartel's manipulated exchanges.)

This is the moment of truth. This is when baby lambonaires are born.

The last four of Bitcoin's MOST MISERABLE MOMENTS showed positive returns after 1, 3, 6, and 12 months. Even Sept 2011's bag-holders showed 20% returns after one year!

I know none of us have any capital left. But think of all your easily manipulated grandmamas, parents, teachers, aunts and uncles! You've likely already hacked into their accounts anyway, so get in there and BTFD on their behalf so that they, too, can share in this glorious MISERY!





The Bitcoin Misery Index, BMI, Is Flashing A Buy Signal



149. Post 33953631 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: Rosewater Foundation on April 04, 2018, 09:33:09 PM

Congratulations, Ladies and Gents:

We have achieved PEAK MISERY!

If you say so, man.

Sorry, Rosey, I know the misery bubbling from your well runs deep.

But look at the bright side: it can't possibly drop another $12,000!  Grin



150. Post 33994309 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: explorer on April 05, 2018, 07:49:57 AM
I've been expecting $5000 since...  Well, $5000.  The transition was much too abrupt, and the area just didn't get enough lovin'.
Not that I particularly want to go there, you understand, but it seems that we should.  Just on principle.

Exactly this. We sliced through $5000 like a hot knife through butter and never tested again. Every other psychological barrier we've tested numerous times. I've been waiting for it ever since.

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on April 05, 2018, 04:46:38 AM
https://mainnet.yalls.org/

... who's gonna be the first to create a pay-per-read "Wall Observer" group on Y'alls? (costs measly $25)

If this doesn't get the flailing newpaper media drooling, I don't know what will. The promise of easy, cheap, fast microtransactions is major game changer for newspapers, gamers, musicians, bloggers, digital artists... basically THIS is the promise that propelled Bitcoin in the early days, starting with two pizzas but somehow ending up with futures markets and gold parity.

With microtransactions, you can lease software applications by the minute, pay only for the streaming content you like, circumvent advertisers; the possibilities are limitless.

With microtransactions, you can effectively vote with your dollars and cents.

Once this goes mainstream, it's THIS that will propel the next bull cycle forward.

All you content providers, get chopping.



151. Post 33996358 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: pacman7331 on April 05, 2018, 01:04:39 PM

We gotta test 6 before 5 right? Or does the laws of normal space-time-energy no longer apply to bitcoin due to volatility?

 Cheesy

I'm ready to buy my 6k coins... A weekend sale would be nice.


Where were you on Feb 5?



152. Post 34098699 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):


Quote from: Rosewater Foundation on April 06, 2018, 02:15:22 AM
Can we stop pretending three months of crash is somehow tied to tax deadlines?

It would be great.

Certainly not ALL three months, but definitely some:

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on April 06, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
There's just no reason for such low prices, other than a bunch of idiots handling their coins to Wall Street which are the ones buying all the cheap coins before institutional money and other whales come in. They will not do it before all the weak hands are shaken.

Taxes. Taxes are good reasons. $25 Billion owed for 2017 in just the USA.

Cryptocurrencies Could Be 20% of Capital Gains Tax Payments This Year

The IRS has upped its ante with its Coinbase aggression. Misleading or ignoring the IRS is a whole hornet's nest of trouble. Bitcoin's history is rife with prosecutions and asset seizures for those who did not pay their taxes. Often, taxes gets them in more trouble than the illegal goods and services they might have been trading in the first place.

Anyone who thought BCash was just free money? Well, guess what, taxes. Every fork claimed in 2017 is taxable income, whether you sold it or not. If it was worth more than $1000, you need to pay taxes in the quarter you claimed it. Otherwise, guess what? Even more penalties and interest owed on top of your taxes.

Already spent your windfall during Christmas/New Year? Well time to unspend it.

So what we have here is a bunch of people owing taxes and back taxes and penalties/interest on taxes owed for maybe more than just 2017 and a whole bunch more people just waiting for them to further liquidate to pay their taxes. So the price will continue to drop, and all the smart traders and whales and investors and institutions are just twiddling their thumbs, waiting, accumulating on the dips, waiting.

Patiently.

Just like every Q1.

Do not underestimate the power of a sovereign nation to duly collect their taxes and to instill enough fear into motivating people to pay their taxes.

The very foundations of sovereignty rests upon the ability of a nation to collect taxes. And inflict punishment on those who do not.




153. Post 34101263 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: mindrust on April 06, 2018, 06:26:33 PM
Anyone who thought BCash was just free money? Well, guess what, taxes. Every fork claimed in 2017 is taxable income, whether you sold it or not. If it was worth more than $1000, you need to pay taxes in the quarter you claimed it. Otherwise, guess what? Even more penalties and interest owed on top of your taxes.

How can IRS know that you have profits when you sold fork coins if they didn't know you have bitcoins in the first place? And why do people let IRS to know that they have Bitcoins before the first place? I still want to go deeper. Why do people use coinbase to buy their stuff instead of using anonymous sources?

If you are able to trigger IRS by converting your alts to bitcoin, you are doing it completely wrong imho.

The IRS relies on self reporting for the most part. But large fiat withdrawals and deposits will likely get reported to IRS, triggering a possible audit.

There is no statute of limitations for false returns, evasion, or failing to file. If you knowingly do not report and the IRS happens to get smarter in the future with regard to crypto (remember, the Blockchain is immutable), then you're just postponing the pain and fear and penalty.

The penalties are not simply civil. We're talking criminal prosecution, prison time and asset seizure, depending on the scale.

So pay your taxes, people. Bitcoin was not born in a vacuum; society contributed and taxes benefit society, like it or not.



154. Post 34105085 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Bitcorn price Q1:



Bitcoin price Q2+:




155. Post 34111332 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: jojo69 on April 06, 2018, 08:43:25 PM
taxes benefit society, like it or not.

which society would that be?

Touche.

However, does this justify removing one's nose to spite the face?

Just because I find war abhorrent, doesn't mean I also find diplomacy, education, research, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. abhorrent.

I vote my conscience and try to inform others on issues important to me. Society is ultimately responsible for who we allow to lead, whether that is who directs our wars or who regulates our financial systems.

Bitcoin will not succeed without society's backing. That means paying your taxes fairly and avoiding criminality. For some, this might require renouncing citizenship and moving to a more tolerable jurisdiction. So be it.



156. Post 34116913 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: btcbeliever on April 06, 2018, 10:21:01 PM
The income tax is criminality.  It does not support diplomacy education research infrastructure healthcare or any of thos things, it goes to paying interest on a debt that is virtually unpayable, created by very criminal global bankers.  Spending of our government is totally supported by inflating the money so that it is worth less and less every year.

Every person should avoid paying income tax because it is illegal on many levels, if they can do so without being locked up and robbed at gunpoint.

Sadly, it’s hard to argue with this. This is what has drawn so many of us to Bitcoin in the first place and why I HODL for the most part, giving directly to charities and family to reduce the tax bill.

But for all y’all weak-handed speculators who drove the price down in the first place, pay your fucking taxes or they may even take Bitcoin from us.

Our day will come.




157. Post 34183542 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on April 07, 2018, 04:43:11 PM
very quick short list  for a small "game list" or how i have to call it..... only  when breaking 12288 dollar price.....  

May 13, 2018 please  Grin

thanks mic



158. Post 34183945 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: Harlot on April 07, 2018, 05:06:13 PM
Looking like a bull trap, if Bitcoin does not go above 7,200 for a while this might be Bitcoin's last time to be in the 7,000$ level. Right now in the 30 minute chart Bitcoin is forming a Head and Shoulder pattern and we are now in the right shoulder. Breaking about the 7,200$ is key in order to make the H&S invalid. 7,200$ is crucial as not breaking it this time might make BTC go down more than 6,500$ this time.

Right now, the price seems more determined by news and perceived deadlines, like tax filing dates and Mt Gox liquidations.

The volume is so low, a single whale could probable write his mama's name on the price charts. TA feels rather useless at the moment.



159. Post 34214459 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.51h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on April 08, 2018, 10:05:45 AM
life at the bottom not all bad

Ramen is the food of Kings and Gods. Excluding instant stuff though, which is alright but simply cannot compete.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092048/

Haha, love that movie. Instant classic. Propelled ramen to new heights for me.

Don’t watch it hungry.



160. Post 34465433 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.52h):

Quote from: BTCMILLIONAIRE on April 11, 2018, 02:36:46 PM
Psychedelics in general just amplify what is already going on inside you.
Hence if you're having a hard time with life, then that will be amplified to extreme and potentially life-like levels with all your insecurities and problems taking "real" shapes depending on the dosage that you've ingested.

As horrible as the experience might be, it can actually, in select cases, be good for the person as it forces them to confront their problems.

So far I didn't have anything anywhere near as extreme as the horror stories that I've read on the internet though, and I can't imagine myself ever having any of those experiences either.
But I've also made it a point to remember what I did prior to the experience, which takes off the edge. I'm also quite curious as to what is going to happen during the moment of death, since it's quite obviously just a fairly tale that humans tell themselves for the lulz. And then, with a high enough dosage you lose control anyways and at that point it doesn't really matter what happens since you just fully dissolve in what is happening (if anything at all).

P.S. Is there a correlation between recreational experimentation with substances and the openness to Bitcorns, or are those substances just more wide spread these days due to pop media references and documentaries?

It's almost impossible to predict where people's demon's might take them. I watched a guy leap through a (closed) window, and then proceed to gnaw a guy's thumb off who was trying to help him. Dude was an experienced psychonaut too, but ayahuasca delves deeper than most.

At the same time, my spinal column lit like a rocket and propelled me straight into god's eye. A few millennia and hundreds of death/rebirth cycles later, I woke up. Like WOKE woke.

Bitcorn was a no-brainer "risk" after that! What's the worst that can happen?  Grin




161. Post 34468321 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.52h):



Analysts, institutions, and developers remain incredibly bullish.

Noob speculators, butt-hurt weak hands, and overextended taxpayers who dove head first into the kiddie pool are hemorrhaging bearishness.

OG HODLers won't sell but won't buy either.

Who will make the first move?

Soros: Bitcoin is a bubble, no wait...BTFD, yo:
George Soros Prepares to Trade Cryptocurrencies

Rockefellers extend middle finger to Soros:
First Soros, Now Rockefellers Move into Cryptocurrency

Futures markets hungry for MOAR:
Cboe urges U.S. regulators to move forward with bitcoin ETFs

Japanese Firm paying salaries in crypto (+10% bonus):
Are Bitcoin Salaries the Future? This Japanese Internet Company Thinks So

Established, Regulated Online Brokerage buys exchange:
Japanese Cryptocurrency Exchange Coincheck Accepts Monex Takeover Bid

Mobile Payment Firm buys exchange:
Circle CEO Allaire on Bitcoin, Blockchain & the Bank of the Future

Twitter CEO: Bitcoin will be the world's sole currency:
Lightning Labs just raised millions from Jack Dorsey and others to supercharge blockchain transactions

Elizabeth Stark: It's about Bitcoin, Stupid:
Lightning Labs CEO: We are back to a 'bitcoin, not blockchain' world

Fundstrat Analyst Tom Lee: BTFD:
The Bitcoin Misery Index, BMI, Is Flashing A Buy Signal

Analyst Ronnie Moas 2018 Target: $28,000
Ronnie Moas Thinks $300,000 Is a Realistic Bitcoin Price Target

Analyst Trace Mayer 2018 Target: $115,000
TRACE MAYER: BITCOIN MAY HIT ‘SIGNIFICANTLY OVERVALUED’ $115K IN 2018

Analyst Max Keiser: Bitcoin to $100,000:
'Bitcoin is a gift from God to help humanity sort out mess it has made with its money'

Web Bot Founder: New apps and fresh adopters to propel Bitcoin to $60,000 in 2018:
Clif High and John McAfee drop Bitcoin Price Predictions that may shock you

John McAfee: BTFD or I'll eat a dick!:
$1mn by 2020: John McAfee will still ‘eat his own d*ck’ if he’s wrong about Bitcoin

Meanwhile, on Bitcointalk Speculation Forums:
fud Fud FUD Fud fud
DOOM doom doom doom DOOM DOOM DOOM


Bitcoin Price Action:




162. Post 34529961 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.52h):

Quote from: mfort312 on April 11, 2018, 03:42:07 PM


Analysts, institutions, and developers remain incredibly bullish.

Noob speculators, butt-hurt weak hands, and overextended taxpayers who dove head first into the kiddie pool are hemorrhaging bearishness.

OG HODLers won't sell but won't buy either.

Who will make the first move?


Quote from: Game Theory
A Mexican Standoff is a three person gun duel. According to standard game theory, the first person to shoot is most likely to lose. The person they shoot at is also likely to lose. The third person has the best chance of winning.

Bulls shot first. Bears shooting back.

HODLers still standing.

Bitcoin. The drama never ends. Grin



163. Post 34540220 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.52h):


These last couple weeks, I took a gamble.

My wife and I started gifting small amounts of bitcoin to a large number of friends and family. Rainy day fund, college fund, shits and giggles fund, whatever they wanted to call it. Only stipulation was not to sell until after mid 2021, a year after the halvening.

I'm watching the network effect in action. Days like today certainly got their attention. How many will end up adding to their positions, I wonder?

Adoption doesn't just happen. Some people need a little nudge.

Luckily, my gamble paid off in the correct direction. So far.  Cool



164. Post 36350201 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.54h):




165. Post 36392683 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.54h):

The psychological barrier at 10k/200EMA is causing the popular alt ratios to stretch...

When that resistance is broken, will they rebound and propel Bitcoin even higher?

HODL on to your feathers!




166. Post 36590196 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.54h):

Quote from: sirazimuth on May 07, 2018, 01:01:49 PM
Quote from: Charlie Munger, Berkshire Hathaway vice chairman

“Suppose you could make a lot of money trading freshly harvested baby brains. Would you do it? To me bitcoin is almost as bad.”


Anything else, Charlie?

Quote

“I regard the whole thing as a combination of dementia and immorality. I think the people pushing it are a disgrace. There ought to be some things that are beneath you, that you just don’t do, and this is one.”


This, coming from a company profiting off of sugar water and car accidents.



167. Post 36870621 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.55h):

Quote from: julian071 on May 10, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
Usually there is a rally around the time of this event: https://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2018/

Wonder if it will be the same this year.
Before, during or after?
All of the above.

Although prior years never had the futures markets grab 'em by the mee-ow...

Why bitcoin could rally more than 70% in the coming week, Fundstrat’s Lee says:




168. Post 37628534 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.55h):


Looking at the weeklies going all the way back to 2013, seeing 5 consecutive green candles outside of a bull run is pretty rare.

In fact, they are non-existent during the 2014 bear market (if you don't count consecutive dojis).



It was only during the 2015 recovery/accumulation phase, when price and volume finally bottomed out, that 5-week greens reappeared.
Volatility spiked +/-30% in waves. Volume remained low. In hindsight, this proved to be an extremely lucrative accumulation period.

It took 7 months after the Mid 2014 Bubble top before the start of a 5 week rise again.
It took 14 months after the Late 2014 Bubble top, before the start of a 5 week rise again.
It was with the third 5-week rise, accompanied by a sharp rise in volume, that the great Bull Run of 2015-2017 began.

It has only been 4-5 months since the 2017 Bubble pop before the start of our first 5 week rise.

Methinks this is bullish AF.



169. Post 38288576 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.56h):

During times like these, it helps to take the long view.

Let's play the matching game...



Weekly candles, 50/200 Daily MA
Volume, RSI, MACD



170. Post 38290264 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.56h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 23, 2018, 02:40:43 PM
Bearish rectangle?

I suck at these things. Can I phone a friend?

Sure, as long as it's not Bill Gates or Warren Buffett or CNBC. Or Roger Ver. Or...



171. Post 38293762 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.56h):

Quote from: infofront on May 23, 2018, 03:08:36 PM
I was just informed by Mr. Buffett that it's rat poison on a stick.

Then Charlie Minger chimed in with, "That's not a stick, it's a baby bone."

Do you suppose these are the rats Buffet was referring to?




172. Post 38324638 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.56h):


For every one of these idiots selling, someone is buying. At higher and higher lows.

Buy the Fucking Dip





173. Post 38546086 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.56h):

Bears aren't trying very hard.

Can't even call this a proper triple bottom with the price still more than $1300 above first spike and $840 above second spike.

Even the volume is pathetic compared to the last and especially first spike down.

Baseline trend still climbing.




174. Post 38983374 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):



Bears are running out of steam.

Small time retail bulls are sidelined, waiting for a clear bull run for re-entry. (Pump up the volume, yo.)

Idiots are spooked and distracted by the cloud and stink of short-lived shitcoins buzzing around honey-badger's napping bunghole.

Meanwhile, OTC is going nuts. Big boys are slurping up everything they can. Institutions are on the verge of testing the waters. Established and regulated global exchanges are just starting to set up crypto shop. Custody solutions are popping up left and right.  

Remember, custody was the primary restraint/complaint from the SEC regarding ETFs. There is less and less for them to whine about every day.

Most of the action is taking place behind the scenes right now. The usual retail exchanges are becoming less and less relevant. Even Binance and Bitstamp may become the Netscapes and Yahoos of the future. Poloniex, Monex, BitTrade have already been acquired.

Brace yourselves. The herd is coming.

Goldman Crypto Trading Desk Opening End June (Derivatives)

Brazil largest investment company opening OTC Bitcoin exchange (XDEX)

Canadian OTC Trading is Spiking, India next?

BitGo offering Custody solution

BitGo granted NY BitLicense

Coinbase +50% with Institutional Custody Products?



175. Post 39022757 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Remember the good ol' days when this was the place to find out wtf was happening with the price?




176. Post 39099476 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Me likes the way this guy thinks...



Here’s to not burning in hell...



177. Post 39106494 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

check out this mesmerizing but sickening animated crypto market evolution, too large to post in its entirety here...


https://t.me/CryptoAquariumChannel/1585



178. Post 39134875 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: BobLawblaw on June 01, 2018, 11:56:41 AM


Bitmex cooking its own books again...
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8aymhw/how_and_why_exchanges_are_manipulating_the_price/

Bitmex CEO just shy of admitting it...
https://youtu.be/2BRsq9hlBOQ



179. Post 39235161 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: infofront on June 02, 2018, 03:57:45 PM
Of course, we've seen times before where the deep pocket whales begin the next bull run with a bang, aka a massive dump/short and stop loss hunt to liquidate all the of the leveraged longs first. If the whales accumulate for a long sideways period, this would give them the ammo they need. So I imagine the next bull run trigger will start with something like that. It could take us spiking down briefly to the $5K range in a flash, before heading back up.

Running stops seems to be fundamentally about acquiring product and not so much about effecting the price. Do whales need the coins that are on offer on the exchanges? It seems to me that a whale would interact with an exchange for the purpose of effecting the price more than the purpose of accumulating/liquidating his position. If he were either accumulating or liquidating he would want to do either of those things OTC because if he were accumulating he wouldn't want to drive the price up and if he were liquidating he wouldn't want to drive the price down. So he makes changes to his position OTC but perhaps he tries to use a small portion of his stash to manipulate the price down before making an OTC purchase and vice a verca before making an OTC sale.

I'm not really trying to argue against you here. I'm mostly just interested in how you will respond to these thoughts.

I'd think a whale might want run stops to drive down the market price, just to affect the OTC price. And he'd make some side money on shorts, of course.

In many cases the market manipulators may be the OTC brokers themselves when they realize they have a whale at the end of their harpoon. Whale gets an OTC quote to sell, broker blows his load to drive market price down, whale executes, broker buys back in driving price up again when the next whale comes to buy, profits on his 1-3% margin. Bart pattern complete.

The 6 Costliest Mistakes People Make When Trading Bitcoin OTC



180. Post 39594925 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: Asrael999 on June 07, 2018, 04:34:07 PM
Don't forget that hash rate being deployed now was likely ordered in Q1 18 or in the bubble. [...]

Google trends for Bitcoin looks pretty poor right now.

Exactly, Hashrate looks to be a lagging indicator due to equipment production time, with miners banking on future increases in price since they've already missed the last run up.

I would argue that Google trends is also a lagging indicator, albeit on a much shorter time frame. Price has to increase first before interest is stoked enough to spur newcomers to search for bitcoin. There is less need for already indoctrinated bitcoiners to search, they already know where they want to go to buy/research/etc.

I would further argue that price is a lagging indicator of fundamental analysis and good news. Whereas FUD is a nearly instantaneous indicator of price decreases, good news takes a while to build enough confidence to trigger buying much less FOMO.

Going back to google trends, the more people already know about bitcoin, the less impact it will have on search engines. MSM has replaced a lot of the need to google, now that CNBC etc have a price ticker and reporting.

You don't see the stock markets responding that much to google trends even in times of wild volatility. Bitcoin still drawing more searches than key stock market terms.

In fact, stock market search spikes on google trends seem inversely correlated to price - they represent major sell offs! Careful what you wish for.



edit:

Meanwhile, on Wall St:
‘Beware’: Jamie Dimon and Warren Buffett Double Down as Bitcoin Critics

Classic.

Jamie "Do What I Say Not What I Do" Dimon, as JP Morgan continues to formulate crypto strategies.
Warren "I only invest in what I understand" Buffet, who quite possibly just learned about Apple and maybe even the Internet sometime last year.




181. Post 39646234 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: Phil_S on June 08, 2018, 05:35:03 AM
This is neat:

https://opendime.com/

Interesting little niche market but I just can’t help thinking how many more coins will be lost forever.

I don’t like how the lifetime of the private key flash chip is “somewhere between 25 and 100 years.”

Really?  Huh

Paper please.



182. Post 39648122 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: afbitcoins on June 08, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
Another of my charts



Similar oldie but goodie maintained over at moonmath...


https://www.moonmath.win/



183. Post 39693572 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: yefi on June 08, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Another of my charts



Similar oldie but goodie maintained over at moonmath...


https://www.moonmath.win/

We'd be wise to remember that no exponential trend can continue indefinitely in a finite world.

Sure it can...

Exponentially up, exponentially down, exponentially up, exponentially down...

 Wink



184. Post 39768111 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: BobLawblaw on June 10, 2018, 02:16:23 AM
I'm really thinking of quitting. Too tired of this. if 11K will ever happen i will quit(

Still kicking my ass for not dumping $1M @ $11.5k on the last bounce Sad

At what point will you be kicking your ass for not reinvesting the millions you already cashed out back into Bitcoin?

Do you have that much more faith in fiat and your managed stock portfolio over Bitcoin these next few years?

Are trade wars and nationalism getting you harder than choo-choos and rocket ships ever did?

 Grin

Bitcoin hashrate still climbing.

Bitcoin price still up +150% from 1 year ago.

SEC still being hammered with Bitcoin ETF applications.

Fidelity, Goldman, JP Morgan still proceeding with Bitcoin trading options.

The Commissioner of the US CFTC still calling Bitcoin an unstoppable technological revolution and modern miracle.

Bitcoin is dead. Long live Bitcoin!



185. Post 39792690 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: Wosterlee on June 10, 2018, 12:39:29 PM
They are upping their game.
 This is not just a Bart but a brand new formation which i shall name a Bart and Shoulders or in this case a reverse Bart and Shoulders.
At the moment, one shoulder and part of the head have formed.



That's the infamous inverted ''wedding cake'' pattern

That’s the “Where should we bury our fiat? Should we dig a little deeper?” pattern.



186. Post 39884038 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: markj113 on June 11, 2018, 11:31:12 AM
People that invest in the markets are not interested in the companies just the return on their investment.

For bitcoin to grow and achieve mass adoption a small group of fan boys isnt going to cut it and you need large inflows of cash.

Nope, no growth here. Gonna have to try harder fan boys:

Bitcoin vs Dow Jones Return on Investment (%)

Bitcoin DOWN 55% YTD
But STILL UP
155% at 1 YR
790% at 2 YR  
6,175% at 5 YR  
174,853% at 7 YR  

No job growth either:

Startup Jobs Site AngelList Reports Doubling Of Crypto Jobs Since New Year


No MSM, institutional, or regulatory interest from the "big boys" this year either:
Bitcoin Sees Wall Street Warm to Trading Virtual Currency May 7, NY Times
Bitcoin is Seeing Unprecedented Institutional Interest for First Time in History May 8, News BTC
LedgerX Launches First CFTC-Regulated Bitcoin Savings Accounts May 15, Forbes
U.S. Regulator Demands Trading Data From Bitcoin Exchanges in Manipulation Probe June 8, Wall Street Journal
CFTC COMMISSIONER: BITCOIN, CRYPTOCURRENCIES ARE NOT GOING AWAY June 10, Bitcoinist
Institutional Hedge Fund Survey FundStrat, April 23




187. Post 39889311 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: markj113 on June 11, 2018, 02:49:19 PM

Bitcoin DOWN 55% YTD
But STILL UP
155% at 1 YR
790% at 2 YR  
6,175% at 5 YR  
174,853% at 7 YR  


Those figures really form a nice ponzi triangle when you factor in the user base and coin distribution  Cheesy

Similar Ponzi schemes factoring in user base and shareholder distribution: Cool


Bitcoin currently ramping up in the first few percentiles

Netflix (78% Institutional Investors, 5% Individual Stakeholders)


Apple (63% Institutional Investors, 1% Individual Stakeholders)


Amazon (60% Institutional Investors, 17% Individual Stakeholders)


Berkshire Hathaway (70% Institutional investors, 6% Individual Stakeholders)


Log scales



188. Post 39914450 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: Toxic2040 on June 11, 2018, 08:42:04 PM
MSM is clueless...there is no way yesterdays correction was caused by one tiny tiny exchange getting brute forced... sorry..I dont buy it.  That would be like claiming it was caused by Tone's and Doug's bet. Nope... still not buying it.

Perhaps longs were getting out of control...and the market had to slam the door on some of them is one opinion. Some are saying its just a general technical correction..that the market was oversold. As in most things its usually a combination of events. Personal I think its was mostly due to panic selling over the CTFC news of a price manipulation probe coinciding with a general correction. Momentum gathers quickly once the tides shift.

For a little Straight Outta My Ass Non-TA:

If you ignore the obviously manipulated Bart action (anything near-vertical on a 4 hr chart) the majority of background action appears surprisingly and overwhelmingly bullish. It's punctuated by relatively brief and steep bearish intervals.

To me, the Bart action stinks to high heaven of whales still trying to cash out gracefully via OTC but being absolutely played by their OTC brokers. At the moment, whales are selling faster than the OTC market can absorb, leading to an overall downtrend, or at least sideways equilibrium. At some point, whalebears will run out of ammunition and the background uptrend will once again dominate.

I suspect it's Wall St and institutions slurping up most of the whale poop. Several regulated brokers (Fidelity, Goldman, JP Morgan, etc) are on the brink of offering their own Bitcoin exchanges, and are probably in bed with the OTC brokers, accumulating, accumulating, accumulating. Of course, they're getting played by their OTC intermediaries, too, resulting in reverse Bart action and uptrends. I wouldn't be surprised if it's these Wall St guys crying foul in the first place and putting pressure on the CFTC to investigate unregulated OTC/futures manipulation and level the playing field before the flood gates open. This is causing further whale and OTC broker panic to hurry up and unload before regulators shine a light and scatter the roaches in their corner, too.

Why OTC in the first place? Besides avoiding thinly traded exchange slippage, OTC brokers don't typically report anything to the IRS or other tax authorities. I suspect KYC/AML is much more lax as well, as long as you got the coin to play. Privacy comes at a price, though, and it's name is manipulation.

Meanwhile, small fry retail guys are quietly accumulating, driving the bullish background action we see on the charts.

Straight Outta My Ass

4 hr candles



189. Post 39967658 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.58h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on June 12, 2018, 03:15:57 PM
Price evolution from here...
I don't even give a f^ck anymore... Should we just start spreading fud like yours and blindly / accepting and endorsing this fud for the little guys to sell and the big whales to buy?? We would do that if we know for sure that the whales are hodlers. But I'm guessing you are betting on the wrong pony sometimes when thinking the whales know what they are doing, because I believe they don't!!! Whales are not hodlers!!! Smiley

Well, so far as I know, the Winklevii are still holding.

At least we've got that.  Grin

Whales have to weigh tax implications, too. If they've been holding a while and they are truly a whale, that's a 23.8% profit cut right off the top for US citizens. That means they have to weigh whether it will fall at least 23.8% to make it worth their while to buy back in with a lesser amount, or instead gamble on their intact hodlings growing even bigger at the next halvening. If they are smart about cashing in and offsetting a bit at a time, they can massively minimize tax obligations.

Best laid plans, and all...



190. Post 39982263 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.58h):


Kim Jong Un selling the last of his stash?



Buh-bye Kim, we'll miss you!  Kiss

This is seriously pathetic volume compared to the last two times we approached these levels. I don't think the bears have a 4th bottom in them. We're still a few dollars short of the previous bottom, too.

I'm imagining a thirsty fucking bear desperately trying to drink from the pool of liquidity below $6k. Someone push him in, so he can get properly rekt.

P.S. Every single person who has bought at these levels since November of last year has profited shortly after.

Only this time it's different, right?

Right.



191. Post 39984870 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.58h):

These prices are such a gift, noobs just don't even know. It's prices like these that will fuel the next bull run with a whole fresh crop of speculators.

Back during the last bear market when we bottomed out around $200 from a high of $1200, who would have guessed people would next be whining about $6000 lows?

Boo fucking hoo. $6k coins.

BTFD, DCA, HODL. These terms haven't become cliche for no reason, fools.



192. Post 40115468 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.58h):

$6000 seems to be established as a fair bargain basement price by both bulls and bears and even miners apparently. We have achieved equilibrium price discovery, not just once, but like 5 times since October of last year, give or take $500.

Anything below the bears generally agree is too greedy and the bulls consider a steal.

But there is some serious Grade A manipulation going on. FUD is being slung around like monkey poop fresh outta Bill Gates and Warren Buffett's decrepit simian asses. Sometimes it sticks, sending Korean tourists, YouTuber potato heads, and Tweaking Twitterites screaming for the exits.

The most damage this FUD has done since (dare I say it?) the "capitulation" on Feb 5 is 5-10% intraday trading. Around $500-600 intraday swings at most.

Prior to Feb 5, we were seeing intraday swings as high as 30%. We're talking like $4500 in one day! Many days were well over 10%, equating to at least $1000 at the time. It's a freaking snooze fest in comparison.

So far, the FUDsters have tried squirting manipulation FUD, sharting Tether FUD, and are currently honking for clearance while constipated with a big ol' meal of regulation FUD. Mt Gox has been hotboxing us with silent but deadly FUD for months now, but most of our olfactory bulbs have long since burned out. Hacked exchange FUD is the most regular of all, sustained by a healthy diet of shyster/ignoranus FUDfiber(tm).

As much as everyone is watching, waiting, hoping for a clear sign from Satoshi himself "THIS IS THE BOTTOM", the truth is the FUDsters have run out of effective FUD. Even Roger Ver himself, the king of bullshit, a giant walking colon, can only shit so much, right?

What more can the bears possibly fling at us? Am I missing some super potent 10x epic hangover evacuate the building and whatever you do don't light that match FUD? Something that would truly shake hodlers to their very core that we haven't already seen a dozen times?

It's a fucking zoo out there this summer, peeps. Watch out for the monkey poop.





193. Post 40130429 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.58h):

Up another $160 and we'll close the week in green. Or at least a doji.

Target: $6782 by Sunday.



194. Post 40185277 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.58h):


Old news but nice interviews concerning latest ETF attempt:

VanEck, SolidX Team Up On Bitcoin ETF

Quote
ETF.com: How is this product different from the previous one SolidX filed for that was denied by the SEC?

Gallancy: The index is a big difference. Additionally, the price of the fund will be around $200,000, which is meant to alleviate any concerns that the SEC may continue to have around retail investors getting involved in bitcoin via an ETF package.
We’re optimistic that, over the long term, the SEC will change their minds about that, but in the short term, what we need to do is provide the SEC with a product that meets all of the specifications they require to get it over the finish line. If they're concerned about retail, we need to address that, and so we’ve done so.

The insurance aspect is something we had in our original filing, but it just wasn’t particularly well-covered. It’s a very important piece of the equation. ETF investors shouldn’t be subject to operational risk. Bitcoin is a bearer asset. If you didn’t have insurance around bitcoin, if something were to go wrong, if your bitcoin were lost or stolen or hacked—whatever it is—you’d have a big problem.

We have a syndicate of A-rated insurers that cover the corpus of the fund. Nobody else is doing that.
It’s this combination of things—the restructured index, the high share price and the insurance—that create a product the SEC will view positively.

Hyland: 1st Bitcoin ETF Closer To Reality

Quote
ETF.com: How likely is it that we’ll see a bitcoin or cryptocurrency ETF approved anytime soon?

Hyland: I think we get them sooner rather than later. But I also think that if we don't see any action by the SEC in the next two months, we’ll jump to 2019 and beyond. I don't see the SEC going from red light to green light anytime near the midterm election. It’ll make them gun-shy.

I handicap the odds of a U.S. ETP in crypto as follows: 20% chance in 2018; 60% chance in 2019; and a 20% chance beyond 2019.



195. Post 40986855 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):



Quote from: jojo69 on June 27, 2018, 02:42:23 AM
what's the blue line?

The gaussian adoption curve.



We've a ways to go...



196. Post 41054013 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):

Quote from: Elwar on June 28, 2018, 01:11:41 AM
Did a quick and nasty chart to see how things would look if the pattern repeated 2013-2015.

If the worst is that we hit a low of $4k and we're back at new highs next year then it's not that bad at all.



The main problem I have with all these 2013-2015 comparisons is that they provide the perfect bear food; they become self-fulfilling prophecy, opium for the masses, for no other reason than they half-assed sorta-kinda match a trend we saw years ago, under completely different circumstances.

I'm as guilty as anyone for seeking patterns in the knucklebones and chicken guts; however, shorters and manipulators are using this to great advantage, because every little dump they prescribe has all the sheeples and lemmings running after them with sky-is-falling syndrome, pointing to the holy charts as evidence that Satoshi has indeed forsaken them, exactly as written in 2013-2015 scripture.

By mid 2015, nothing historical could any longer predict the future, until finally the great 2015-2017 bull run took off on its own fundamental and speculative merits, charting brand new territory, all the way from $200 to $20,000.

Not until we break free of the soothsaying charters comparing the future to the past, will present-day fundamental analysis and actual technical development once again take control of the market.

Whether it takes a dump to $4k or a break for $8k to finally shake free of these medieval shackles is anybody's guess, but charters and manipulators definitely seem to be winning the holy war at the moment.

It really boggles the mind that even the monumental Mt Gox civil rehabilitation announcement, the SEC declaring Bitcoin as not a security, and lightning network mainnet achievements are having nary an effect on this bear market.

We are truly a superstitious lot, despite all evidence to the contrary.



197. Post 41380267 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.00h):




198. Post 41987228 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on July 11, 2018, 06:27:00 PM
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/cboebzx2018040.htm
^comment here for cboe's ETF application

That link is to read submitted comments.

To actually submit comments is a bit more convoluted.

First, go here and scroll to or search for release "34-83520":

https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/cboebzx.htm

Then click the javascript 'Submit Comments' link:



Or, if you prefer to click through from the comments page:
>How to Submit Online Comments:
 >Self-Regulatory Organization (SRO) filings:
  >Cboe BZX Exchange, Inc. (CboeBZX)
   >SR-CboeBZX-2018-040 (Release 34-83520)

Or, you can email comments to rule-comments@sec.gov.
 
The subject line of your message must include the File Number SR-CboeBZX-2018-040

See if you can't do a better job than these yahoos:
SEC comments about a proposed bitcoin ETF are 'liiiiiiiiiit'



199. Post 42052680 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):


To help nervous noobs and even some old timers out, I made a handy-dandy BTC Price Action Decoder (TM).

Print it out. Put it in your pocket. Show it to your friends. Quiz yourself.




200. Post 42102889 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 13, 2018, 12:38:14 PM

I don't know nothing about nothing but the reasons the SEC gave for turning the down the Winkevii are still there, still unaddressed and always will be as far as I can tell.

http://www.etf.com/sections/features-and-news/sec-rejects-winklevoss-bitcoin-etf

"The rejection hinged on the commission’s belief that the proposed fund and its listing on an exchange required more safeguards and more regulatory oversight. Bitcoin is traded on unregulated markets, which prevents the SEC from entering into “surveillance sharing” agreements that, among other things, help stomp out market manipulation, said Spencer Bogart, managing director and head of research at Blockchain Capital.

The implication here, he says, is that because the disapproval centered on the bitcoin market structure itself—and not on any specific detail of the ETF design—prospects for other bitcoin ETFs to come to market just grew dimmer."

It's a bit chicken and egg, no? Is the SEC is waiting for Bitcoin markets to miraculously come under global regulation, while regulated market players patiently wait for the SEC to approve something they can offer on their exchanges?

I think targeting accredited investors first and offering custody and insurance solutions as Cboe is attempting is as good a way as any to start this ball rolling. It's retail investors I imagine the SEC is most concerned with, people mortgaging their grandma's house, etc. Who cares if accredited investors lose a few million? Pure speculation vs lifetime savings. Start there.

The SEC's job is to protect US investors. They can't be the global police but they can try and make the US a safer place to invest first rather than last. As regulated markets continue to spring up in the US and other countries, volumes will shift away from unregulated markets and the manipulators will have fewer places to turn.

The SEC can't protect US investors if they don't approve regulated products in the first place, though. People will still invest, regulated or not.

So which will be first, the chicken or the egg?



201. Post 42104235 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 13, 2018, 03:00:21 PM

So which will be first, the chicken or the egg?

the SEC is waiting for Bitcoin markets to miraculously come under global regulation


That one. Why should they make their life harder than it needs to be? Why bother taking a needless risk? It'll still be here in 5-10 years most likely. The only hurry is in our sweaty little minds.

Agreed this is the most likely reality. Frustrating that the SEC will likely do little to nothing to actually protect and legitimize Bitcoin investors, choosing instead to just cover their own sweaty little asses.



202. Post 42316076 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

The daily 200 MA is falling pretty steeply these days. At this rate, it won't be much longer until it encounters the 50 MA for a golden cross.

Assuming the 50 MA flattens out around current prices, this would bring us to mid-September-ish. This is how it played out the last time we had a golden cross in 2015: the 200 MA fell to meet a flat 50 MA.

Following a more aggressive 50 MA trend from the recent bottom, it could even happen as early as mid-August-ish.

1 to 2 months. Right around when we expect some ETF news. Who wants to guess the date?

Straight Outta My Ass (tm) TA


Daily 50/200 MA



203. Post 42351005 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

Comments on Cboe BZX (BTC ETF) Rulemaking

The Lord hath spoken:

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Subject: File No. SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Lord Bogdanoff
July 11, 2018

POMP EET.

The comments are piling up, but there is a several day lag before they are actually posted. A (very slow) human must be reviewing. I suspect a tsunami of comments is building up.

While the vast majority support the ETF, I managed to find a couple negative nancies:

Quote
Subject: File No. SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Anthony Arcieri
July 11, 2018

A Bitcoin-backed ETF on regulated exchanges is a worrisome prospect due to ongoing "anomalies" in Bitcoin's price, which appear to be the result of price manipulation using methods which would be illegal on regulated exchanges, e.g. wash trading.

I would draw your attention to this study, which uses statistical methods to attempt to answer questions about whether Bitcoin's price was (and still is) being manipulated at the time of the price bubble at the end of 2017:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3195066

While I would love to see a path towards creating ETFs out of digital assets in the future, I'm not sure it makes sense to create one out of something whose price is actively being manipulated.

Quote
Subject: SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Muggeo Vincenzo
July 11, 2018

Goodmorning,

You have to pay close attention to Bitcoin and the products you want to authorize (ETF).

Most bitcoins (and other cryptocurrencies) are in the hands of a few exchanges that every day manipulate the market to speculate on projects and tokens that directly and indirectly manage.

This is the bitcoin rich list, you can see that the first 20 bitcoin owners are exchange and have most of the bitcoins in circulation:

https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html

Many exchanges use "false dollars" to pump the price of bitcoins and other coins (theter !!!)

In addition, the processing of transaction data is carried out by a few centralized entities that can decide what, how much and how to move everything at any time, these are called miner, the biggest miner in the world is called https://www.bitmain.com (there have been many problems in the past and the risks are very high).

BEFORE AUTHORIZING ANY PRODUCT YOU NEED TO RESOLVE MANY PROBLEMS THAT ARE ON THE BACKGROUND.
PLEASE, DO NOT BECOME CAUSE OF A TRAGEDY!

Best regards,

Vincenzo Muggeo



204. Post 42366054 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

News or FOMO?



205. Post 42367129 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

Up 25% off bottom.

Not a bad couple of weeks return.

Only 75% off bottom before we hit $10k. 1/3 of the way there.

100% off bottom and I dare say Bitcoin is going up again rather than merely sideways.  Anything less is still sideways.



206. Post 42367862 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

Quote from: SecondLeoTheSecond on July 17, 2018, 06:12:39 PM
This is a suckers rally....

Haha, tell that to all the leveraged shorts @bitmexrekt.



207. Post 42369152 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):

On point.

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Subject: SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Anonymous
July 11, 2018

I just want to say to please approve this ETF so that my Dad can buy bitcoin on his own and stop bothering me every month to buy it for him. This would make my life much better if he can do this on his own in his Charles Swabb account or something. Just sayin!
Thanks.



208. Post 42819948 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.02h):




https://twitter.com/PeterLBrandt/

Given Peter's historical venom towards BTC:

Bears: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Bulls: Heeheehahahoohoo. Ahem.  Cool



209. Post 42821492 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.02h):

Quote from: Gab0 on July 25, 2018, 01:05:30 AM
An ETF could take a long time.



https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1021795224958455810

More time to build up anticipation = good news, regardless of outcome.

~Jan 21 is the final (final) final decision date.

Besides, the SEC might be crazy to make any ETF decisions before midterm elections in Nov.

Plus this gives the SEC and CFTC more time to issue anticipated ICO regulation/guidance to nip any future ETF proposals in the bud. Once the floodgates are open, they're open.



210. Post 42935572 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.02h):

Non-trivial piece of news.

Some might even classify as a BFD.

Institutional Investors Swap Bitcoin Futures for Physical BTC in Wall Street First



211. Post 43610748 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.03h):

Update on the latest ETF attempt:

Quote
Comments on Cboe BZX Rulemaking
Notice of Filing of Proposed Rule Change to List and Trade Shares of SolidX Bitcoin Shares Issued by the VanEck SolidX Bitcoin Trust
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/cboebzx2018040.htm

Over 1150 comments posted so far and they're only caught up to Aug 1.
Compare this to less than 70 submitted for the Winklevii ETF.
Only 3 comments were submitted for the Direxion Bitcoin ETFs.

Couple interesting comments:
PRO: https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/srcboebzx2018040-4131562-171827.htm
CON: https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/srcboebzx2018040-172023.htm

The SEC has also posted slides from a recent Cboe/SolidX/SEC meeting. Worth a read, arguing their case in light of prior ETF rejections.

Aug 1, 2018 Memorandum from the Division of Trading and Markets regarding a July 31, 2018, meeting with representatives of Van Eck Securities Corporation, SolidX Management LLC, and Cboe BZX Exchange, Inc.
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/srcboebzx2018040-4152607-172036.pdf

Quote
PRESENTATION OUTLINE

1. Reasons delineated in March 2017 disapproval
2. Significant changes in product, market structure and overall circumstances since March 2017 disapproval
3. Bitcoin in the context of Section 6(b)(5) of the SEA
4. Notes on January 18, 2018 Staff Letter: Engaging on Fund Innovation and Cryptocurrency-related Holdings



212. Post 43674140 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.04h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on August 07, 2018, 07:37:05 PM
September 30, 2018 is the new VanEck SolidX ETF ruling date

https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/cboebzx/2018/34-83792.pdf
https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/cboebzx.htm


Crikey, if this mini dump is due to ETF postponement, this was totally expected, and frankly good news: It wasn't flat out denied.

March 4, 2019 is the final (final) SEC deadline; the SEC has up to three decision extensions.

Any reactions before then are just farts in the wind: totally wasted effort.

Remember kiddos, for maximum effect, save your farts for the elevator or lambo passenger seat.




213. Post 43720498 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.04h):


Welp, still going sideways. 6 months and counting.

Not until we're safely over $10k is Bitcoin trending up again.

It would have to fall below $5k before we're trending down again.

Long-term HODLers view, YMMV.





214. Post 43781975 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.04h):

CBOE RESPONDS: After Delay Is Announced, Sources Confirm Continued Bitcoin ETF Confidence
https://theicojournal.com/cboe-responds-after-delay-is-announced-sources-confirm-continued-bitcoin-etf-confidence/

Quote from: CBOE Source
“Expected and the markets are acting irrationally to the announcement. Every single submission like this has gotten a delay. Again, expected. Still expect approval. 99% expectation. Print it, but as always, don’t use my name. Smiley

Quote from: Van Eck Source
“Our team expected this delay, almost to the hour, and has been an expectation in our planning process. We won’t say when we expect an approval, but there has been specific speculation that we actually agree with and have incorporated into our timeline. We are in no way surprised by this. Most importantly, we believe our submission is the strongest yet to be put in front of US regulators, and believe that strength will be rewarded.”

Quote from: Recent SEC employee
“The four people I still talk to on the daily at the SEC are basically telling me this ‘it is going to get approved but we are going to make the markets understand that we dug really, really deep i.e. investor protection/transparency’. And that makes sense. The vast majority of the public still has no idea what ‘digital assets’ are or what it means. So when you do an approval like this, and the successive approvals that will follow in this asset class – think of the 3-5 year return number that will be associated with this market? And maybe that is the key to the Van Eck SolidX approval? It is set up as an accredited investor vehicle. That singular element is probably what gives so many of us a firm belief in its approval. And it is a stroke of genius by the Van Eck SolidX group.”

If you knew an approval were imminent, and you had the means, wouldn't you strive to drive the price down as much as possible in the months preceding?

What effect might an ETF approval have on Bitcoin dominance? Legitimize the entire asset class or single out Bitcoin?

One coin to rule them all, one coin to find them,
One coin to bring them all and in the darkness bind them?


It's a shame this arcane ETF approval process has basically throttled speculation, but it has done wonders for separating innovation from chaff.

What might a post-ETF world look like?



215. Post 44133394 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.05h):

Yawn. Still sideways.

Meanwhile, a new batch of public comments to the SEC have been posted regarding Cboe et al ETF.
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/cboebzx2018040.htm

The Negative Nancies are starting to appear:

Quote from: Kash Ranks
In a world where making a daily living is hard enough, how can you in good conscience, allow a speculative/scam instrument like Bitcoin to exist let alone approve an ETF. Blockchain has its merits but Coins are nothing more than a digital scam which is robbing people of their hard earned money and enabling speculative fervor. You must crack down on this so called 'currency' and make stringent rules on its existence. Thank you for your consideration

Quote from: Peter Quinn
I strongly oppose allowing the listing of the Bitcoin ETF.

Bitcoin is a pure speculation vehicle with no traditional value or commercial/industrial use. It has no fundamentals, is exceptionally volatile and is easily manipulated due to poor market liquidity and no market regulation. A CBOE listed ETF that is proposing to be a passive Bitcoin holding vehicle is nothing more than trying to get a broader pool of investors involved in something that would never be allowed for listing on a regulated stock exchange if it was a company.

This proposal most likely exists at all to draw additional money into the Bitcoin "ecosystem" as it is commonly called, essentially transferring risk from current market participants to newcomers who otherwise would not know how to get involved or would be prohibited by regulation or governance ethics from doing so.

Additionally, much of the purported size of Bitcoin is an illusion, with "market cap" as reported on private websites such as Coinmarketcap.com taking all coins ever in existence multiplied by an average of the last traded price in dollars. Volume is commonly reported as all Bitcoins traded in dollar value even if, as is the case, most of them did not trade against hard currency at all, instead trading against other cryptocurrencies or Tether, a purported 1:1: USD backed cryptocurrency that has been used to artificially pump the price and is more comparable to counterfeit money.

[...snip (he goes on)...]

This anti-ETF guy included supposed manipulation charts:
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/srcboebzx2018040-4190297-172697.pdf

This pro-ETF lady cries foul on SEC claims of price manipulation:
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/srcboebzx2018040-4185567-172649.pdf

Back to hibernation.



216. Post 44189144 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.05h):

Golden Cross Update

With the daily 200 MA @$8025 continuing to drop ~$45 a day and the 50 MA having bottomed out @$6720, simple extrapolation would the two crossing in another month or so, maybe mid to late Sept. No change from last month's forecast.

Maybe we'll get a false start and a mini set of crossings like we did in 2015 before it takes off again.

After that last golden cross in 2015, they didn't cross again for 2.5 years!




217. Post 45594157 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.07h):

Nice read on the current state of the SEC commissioners:

The Elad Effect: How the SEC’s New Commissioner Changes Things for Bitcoin ETFs
https://medium.com/@JohnGaltBPM/the-elad-effect-how-the-secs-new-commissioner-changes-things-for-bitcoin-etfs-f4bb29e95bd6




218. Post 45913157 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.07h):





We've got a pulse on the EKG!



219. Post 45993143 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.07h):

Hey, let's attempt to crowdsource a bitcointalk response to the SEC's request for further comments on the recently postponed Cboe/SolidX/VanEck ETF proposal. Collectively, I bet we've got an entire cogent brain amongst the likes of us.

Whatever useful comments make it to this thread, I'd say is fair game for anyone to beg, borrow, steal, quote, or plagiarize for their own personal responses to the SEC.

I'll parse out the SEC's 18 wordier-than-even-wordy-man's question topics below. Feel strongly about any of them? Spit it out.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034689.0




220. Post 46239907 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.08h):

Would someone please chip in a few bucks for the cause and bring us over $6500, please? Thank you.

At $6500, we are ~13% off bottom (@$5775) and ~13% from crossing the daily 200 MA (@$7375).

Purgatory.




221. Post 46241012 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.08h):

Quote from: Astargath on September 27, 2018, 05:22:09 PM
Would someone please chip in a few bucks for the cause and bring us over $6500, please? Thank you.

At $6500, we are ~13% off bottom (@$5775) and ~13% from crossing the daily 200 MA (@$7375).

Purgatory.


I'd rather look at the last higher low which is 7429$ on Bitfinex. We have crossed the 200 MA a few times already and it was pretty worthless.

We may have crossed the 200 EMA but we have not crossed the 200 MA since March. EMAs put too much emphasis on recent data IMO and are agreed of less worth.

In each of the last three cases, if we had reached the previous "higher low", we would have breached the 200 MA. The band is getting narrower and narrower.

Once we do breach, might send a pretty bullish signal.

ps. $6500! Thanks for whoever chipped in.



222. Post 46699415 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.09h):

Quote from: Torque on October 09, 2018, 04:56:42 PM
Well. Drinking is back on the menu, men.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/bitcoin-on-the-brink-of-an-implosion-researcher-juniper-says

Crypto Industry on ‘Brink of an Implosion,’ Researcher Says
Do they know about segwit transactions? :-)

Maybe they don't even know about the forks/airdrops that forced everyone to move ALL their coins to claim them nor many other factors that were happening during that time (spam, ridiculous FOMO, etc).... Or they do and they just don't care because the only thing that matters is the dramatic headline.

Do they know about wash trading?

Do they know that mining difficulty is actually rising, not falling?

Do they know that exchanges are in bed with mega miners?

Do they know that all exchanges would dump literally every shitcoin they have (to drum up extra money) before they'd start selling their precious bitcoin?

Do they know that *we* know that when they start printing the really doom & gloom articles, the bottom is likely in?

Hit the nail on the head:

Institutional Investors Are Using Back Door for Crypto Buys (1 Oct 2018)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-01/institutional-investors-are-using-back-door-for-crypto-purchases

Big Institutional Investors are Buying Large Amounts of Bitcoin in OTC Market (3 Oct 2018)
https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/10/03/big-institutional-investors-are-buying-large-amounts-of-bitcoin-in-otc-market/

Bitcoin is now a rich man's game.

2018 marks the transition from small-time retail hype to the beginning of savvy institutional/money-bags hype.

Exchanges are becoming less and less relevant as larger transactions are moving off-exchange at a premium to current exchange prices.

When the next big bull run does happen, small time retail buyers may be shut out due to a lack of supply or basic transaction access.
What little may be available on-exchange during a bull-run will likely fetch a hefty premium.
The next generation of HODLers will be laughing all the way to the exchange OTC.

IMHO, we are in the midst of large-scale coordinated institutional manipulation leading up the next halving/ETF/choose your own hype spark:

1. First rule of Institutional Bitcoin: you don't talk about Institutional Bitcoin.
2. Quietly buy up all the mining supply via OTC back channels or in-house Bitcoin brokers.
[Optional: Fund bogus studies, ban ads, ban credit card & retail bank sales, and fling FUD near and wide to throw your competition off scent. JP Morgan, Chase, Juniper Research, Google, Twitter, etc.]
3. HODL and wait for the next hype-fueled bull run.
4. SHORT futures like mad and then SODL at the peak.
5. Rinse and repeat.

Quote from: Articles
According to Cho, high net-worth individuals and institutions are using the OTC market to process trades that exceed $100,000, which based on the current price of Bitcoin at $6,500 is around 15.38 BTC.

“What that’s showing you is the professionalization that’s happening across the board in this space. The Wild West days of crypto are really turning the corner,” Cho said, speaking to Bloomberg.

“We’ve seen triple-digit growth enrolling in our OTC business," said Jeremy Allaire, chief executive office of Boston-based Circle Internet Financial. “That’s a big growth area."

Cho explained that the stability in the price of Bitcoin and the valuation of the crypto market can be attributed to the entrance of institutional investors and high profile traders into the space, which has corresponded with the strengthening of market infrastructure.

“One of the biggest criticisms of crypto by institutional investors has been the volatility. Over the last four to six months, the market has been trading in a very tight range, and that’s seems to be corresponding with traditional financial institutions becoming more comfortable diving into the space,” Cho said.

Cumberland’s parent company, DRW Holdings, disclosed that more than 33 percent of the company’s OTC market trades were processed during Asia hours, suggesting that large miners like Bitmain’s Antpool and BTC.com are regularly liquidating Bitcoin generated from their mining operations.

"If they are liquidating [coins], they are liquidating them via OTC," said Tom Flake, founder of Bcause, a provider of mining facilities whose customers are institutional miners with hundreds to thousands of machines. The largest miners also sell their coins to sellers directly or through brokers.

One of the biggest reasons to buy coins outside of exchanges, though, is that there are often not as many coins offered for sale as the institutional buyers would like to buy, according to Sam Doctor, managing director and head of data science research at Fundstrat Global Advisers.

“At this point in time, because more and more institutions are beginning to enter the market, there’s more of an imbalance,” Doctor said. That’s why brokerage firms are springing up to help institutional buyers find inventory, he said.

What’s more, miners can offer something unique: brand-new, “virgin” coins, which some investors covet. Such coins command a premium of up to 20 percent, according to Travis Kling, founder of the hedge fund Ikigai. It’s easier to prove they’ve not been involved in money-laundering operations, he said.



223. Post 46740266 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.09h):

Quote from: kirreev070 on October 10, 2018, 09:53:58 PM
Bad day for crypto? Ohh... Wait

https://finviz.com/map.ashx?t=sec_all

At least today, Bitcoin held up admirably as an non-correlated asset. A unicorn amidst the carnage. A virgin in the whorehouse.

Maybe tomorrow, investors will notice.



224. Post 46925218 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.09h):

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on October 15, 2018, 04:32:48 PM
Fidelity, the $2.5 trillion Wall Street giant, is launching a brand new institutional brokerage and custody business for crypto

https://theblockcrypto.com/2018/10/15/fidelity-the-2-5-trillion-wall-street-giant-is-launching-a-brand-new-institutional-brokerage-and-custody-business-for-crypto/

Fidelity Launches Institutional Platform For Bitcoin And Ethereum

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2018/10/15/fidelity-launches-institutional-platform-for-bitcoin-and-ethereum/#5319f43f93c4

Fidelity just made it easier for hedge funds and other pros to invest in cryptocurrencies

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/fidelity-launches-trade-execution-and-custody-for-cryptocurrencies.html

Quote
Fidelity Investments, which administers more than $7.2 trillion in client assets, announced a new and separate company called Fidelity Digital Asset Services Monday.

Okay, this is very bullish.

Who needs a stinking ETF once the big boys come to town?

Can you imagine if this announcement had come a year ago? The bull run might never have stopped.

Fidelity has been visionary in the crypto space since early on; it's been more than a year since linked Coinbase balances starting showing up in Fidelity accounts.

As it is, news like this is hardly a fart in the wind these days.

It's amazing how institutionally mainstream Bitcoin is becoming right below our noses, and yet the masses still sleep, butt-hurt as ever for perhaps buying the peak and selling too soon (probably to the very institutions they distrusted in the first place).

Fidelity is a privately held company. They don't answer to no stinkin' shareholders or quarterly reports. They are out to conquer Millennial investors, and embracing crypto may launch them well past their competitors into the future.

This is who you have to thank, boys: Abby Johnson, chair and CEO of Fidelity. Bitcoin may largely be a man's world, but we owe a lot of respect to the Abby Johnsons, Elizabeth Starks, and Hester Peirces of the world. They actually get shit done when and where it matters. Fuck you, Jamie Dimon.



One-on-one with Abby Johnson, Fidelity's ultra-private president
http://fortune.com/2014/06/02/one-on-one-with-fidelitys-ultra-private-president/

Fidelity CEO Abigail Johnson says the company is mining cryptocurrencies (1 year ago)
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/28/fidelity-ceo-abigail-johnson-says-the-company-is-mining-cryptocurrencies/

Fidelity CEO Talks 'Love' For Bitcoin, Why Blockchain Will 'Change' Markets (1.5 years ago)
https://www.coindesk.com/fidelity-ceo-talks-love-bitcoin-blockchain-will-change-markets/



225. Post 46926141 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.09h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 15, 2018, 07:52:14 PM
Let's reflect on what happened today.


What happens when the next financial crisis hits, and a proportion of the world's financial institutions all try to run on the banks into Bitcoin?





226. Post 47101408 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.10h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on October 20, 2018, 04:11:24 PM

 I hope this is what you had in mind.  This was one of the toughest jobs yet!

 

Nice! Awesome job, thanks Homes!




For those who don't catch the reference, here are the best 10 minutes you will ever waste on your life:

Rejected
https://youtu.be/MuOvqeABHvQ

Basically mirrors all the ludicrous activity on Wall Observer.

Including the hats.



227. Post 47124431 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.10h):

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on October 21, 2018, 04:52:54 AM

For those who don't catch the reference, here are the best 10 minutes you will ever waste on your life:

Rejected
https://youtu.be/MuOvqeABHvQ

Basically mirrors all the ludicrous activity on Wall Observer.

Including the hats.

Jesus. Where were you when I was on acid...

Haha, did you want a bad trip?

Try watching Baraka on acid, oh lord. I could only make it through 15 mins.



228. Post 47126518 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.10h):

Decided to edumakate myself with a little weekend research on Bakkt and promptly fell into a rabbit hole.

Bakkt could certainly have a far larger near-term impact than Cboe or any others' ETF, as they are targeting both consumers and institutions in the same go. Having Starbucks as a partner could be a real game changer, the epitome of retail transaction exposure.

Also good to see some of the more disillusioned Wall Street veterans changing teams to root for crypto, and putting pressure on the SEC/CFTC to not fuck it all up.

Overall, I'm feeling more medium-to-long term bullish with Bakkt coming, although I think the year end price will end up as a wash. Hard to compete with the US midterm elections and other geopolitical turmoil, news wise. A rather inopportune time for Bakkt's release or a crypto bull run.

New Bakkt Venture Could Make Bitcoin As Mainstream As Starbucks
https://www.forbes.com/sites/norbertmichel/2018/08/13/new-bakkt-venture-could-make-bitcoin-as-mainstream-as-starbucks/#57b98c7436c8

Bitcoin Experts Pin Price Hopes On Early November -- Here's Why
https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2018/09/04/bitcoin-experts-pin-price-hopes-on-early-november-heres-why/#599997702256

Bitcoin Core Developer Joins Forces With Former Morgan Stanley Exec To Warn SEC
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2018/09/21/bitcoin-core-developer-joins-forces-with-former-morgan-stanley-exec-to-warn-sec/#7dd9ce435baf

Quote
“We believe that current SEC rules surrounding custody do not reflect the risks inherent in managing digital assets and do not use the technical strengths of the technology. These technical strengths have the potential to lead to a stronger, more robust custody environment. To better understand these possibilities, to build to strengths of technologies, and to not harm its advantages, we recommend that the SEC engage with those who are experienced with technology, such as cryptographic engineers, software developers, Bitcoin exchanges, smart-contract designers, blockchain developers, and existing digital-asset managers to ensure best practices are implemented.”

Just a week after Caitlin Long, a co-author of the letter, first expressed similar concerns in an article on Forbes, Bakkt CEO Kelly Loeffler published a blog further elaborating on the planned cryptocurrency exchange services. In the post Loeffler clarified that the “bitcoin contract will not be traded on margin, use leverage, or serve to create a paper claim on a real asset.” If the exchange follows the guidelines Loeffler laid out, it would put an end to many of the concerns expressed in the letter.

More articles from Caitlin Long:

ICE Creating New Cryptocurrency Market: A Double-Edged Sword
https://www.forbes.com/sites/caitlinlong/2018/08/03/ice-creating-new-cryptocurrency-market-a-double-edged-sword/#5f0b5ebb1015

Quote
But it’s also a double-edged sword, because it’s likely the beginning of Wall Street creating financial claims to bitcoin out of thin air (and not backed by actual bitcoins), which could offset some of Bitcoin’s algorithmically-enforced scarcity.

Thankfully, for existing bitcoin investors, HODLers are likely to make that difficult by storing most bitcoins outside of the financial system and making it the epitome of “hard to borrow.”

Two Wall Street Terms Every Bitcoin Trader Needs To Learn Now
https://www.forbes.com/sites/caitlinlong/2018/08/13/the-r-and-c-words-enter-the-vocabulary-of-bitcoin-enthusiasts/#2ac0677a68f3

Quote
The “R” and “C” words, rehypothecation and commingling, are as antithetical to how Bitcoin works as they are integral to how Wall Street works.

Three part series exploring building rivalry between cryptocurrencies and Wall St by same author, pretty enlightening perspectives:

ICOs Were 45% Of IPOs In Q2 2018, As Cryptos Disrupt Investment Banks
https://www.forbes.com/sites/caitlinlong/2018/07/22/icos-were-45-of-ipos-in-q2-2018-as-cryptos-disrupt-investment-banks/#63cd8619794c

Quote
Cryptocurrency capital markets--which are less than 3 years old--are challenging the supremacy of traditional investment banks for raising new capital, as they raised 45% of the amount raised by traditional IPOs (initial public offerings) during Q2 2018.

Incumbents have been complacent about the rise of cryptocurrency markets and ultimately will not take this trend lightly.

Is Financialization A Double-Edged Sword For Bitcoin And Cryptocurrencies?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/caitlinlong/2018/07/31/is-financialization-a-double-edged-sword-for-bitcoin-and-cryptocurrencies/#79a299402a20

Quote
Will HODLers permit the financialization of cryptocurrencies?

So far, only the good type of financialization is happening in cryptocurrency markets. Leverage-based financialization is not happening—yet.

Racing To Fix Wall Street: ICE, Cryptocurrencies And Enterprise Blockchain
https://www.forbes.com/sites/caitlinlong/2018/08/07/racing-to-fix-wall-street-ice-cryptocurrencies-and-enterprise-blockchain/#3f2e9033215e

Quote
ICE’s move renders many of Wall Street’s enterprise blockchain projects obsolete

Short of this, the SEC and CFTC should beware of the heightened risks with allowing clearinghouses, custodians and warehouses to hold cryptocurrencies in omnibus accounts. They instantly become “honeypots” for hackers.

The Bakkt Blog, CEO Kelly Loeffler
https://medium.com/bakkt-blog

Quote
We’re taking a transparent approach to engage across the industry as we begin testing and onboarding in November, and trading and warehousing in December, subject to CFTC approval.

Our patent-pending market model is focused on mitigating risk while creating opportunities for institutions to serve their clients in a regulated framework for digital assets. This means creating a solution that both provides wanted exposure and limits unwanted exposure. A critical aspect of our model is ensuring that our clearing members are well protected from a risk perspective through a conservative market design, including:

o a requirement of full prefunding for all Bitcoin trades

o allowing clients to onboard directly to the warehouse, meaning that clearing members will not be required to handle cryptocurrency themselves, and

o a new, separate guaranty fund for Bitcoin, fully funded by Bakkt and ICE, helps ensure that non-defaulting clearing member capital is not at risk in the waterfall

These points should also eliminate misconceptions regarding commingling, leverage and rehypothecation, which are not features of our offering. We are committed to serving the market in a productive and secure manner as customer needs and regulatory frameworks evolve.

Moo(n).



229. Post 47167193 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.10h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 22, 2018, 08:00:08 PM


Does this mean they got CFTC approval?



230. Post 47262899 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.10h):

I propose we tokenize our digital hatsets, and trade them as scarce commodities.



231. Post 47486332 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.11h):


Former Fed Chair Janet Yellen Is Now a Bitcoin Owner
https://www.coindesk.com/former-fed-chair-janet-yellen-is-now-a-bitcoin-owner/



Gifted, but it's a start...



232. Post 47489072 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.11h):

Lordy it's quiet in here. Time for a news injection.

Fresh fiat or wallet consolidation?
New whales are here: Somebody bought 133k bitcoins in the last 4 weeks
https://captainaltcoin.com/new-whales-are-here-somebody-bought-133k-bitcoins-in-the-last-4-weeks/

Goldman Sachs is Signing up Customers for its Bitcoin Trading Product: Report
https://www.ccn.com/goldman-sachs-is-signing-up-customers-for-its-bitcoin-trading-product-report/

Only 1 in 4 Bitcoins Moved Between Addresses in Past Six Months
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-31/only-1-in-4-bitcoins-moved-between-addresses-in-past-six-months?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=crypto
Quote
-About 40% of crypto tokens don’t move during market rallies
-Measure shows ‘true liquidity’ rather than trading volume
“Four billion of volume a day means almost any investor in Bitcoin can liquidate their entire position within one trading day.”


Bitcoin's transaction rate has been increasing steadily over the last few months, yet there is literally no strain on the network.
Lightening & SegWit are doing the trick. Scalability is clearly being achieved by the world's first & best #Cryptocurrency.
#HappyBirthdayBitcoin



https://twitter.com/MatiGreenspan/status/1057588906575757315

Chocolate Bitcoin handed out for Halloween!

https://twitter.com/danyork/status/1057800952181415937


https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/1057545238263279616



233. Post 47915862 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.13h):

This current fiasco is certainly underlining what a rich man’s game BTC has become.

Retail exchange volume has been dying all year:

Perhaps in part to the psychological barrier of a perceived high entry cost. Small time traders once willing to buy when bitcoin when it was a couple hundred bucks now seem to be balking at $5000, and that’s on sale! Maybe fractions of a Bitcoin just aren’t sexy enough.

Certainly this is also due in part to the shitastic quality of retail exchanges, from frustratingly inept (Coinbase) to down right shady (take your pick).

Meanwhile, institutions have been “scrambling” in typical slow-motion fashion to jump on board, either as service/product providers or investors. We know a great deal of Bitcoin has been exchanging hands OTC, for lack of a single decent institutional exchange. I suspect OTC volumes in 2018 have dwarfed exchange liquidity. But come 2019, this may be changing. Fidelity, Bakkt, perhaps an ETF or two may be entering the scene. Too little too late or just in time, it’s hard to say, but some sort of credible institutional exchange should be well positioned before the next halvening in 2020.

Which makes this current fiasco feel like one of the last gasp attempts for these JihanVerWright dickwads to have much of an influence on BTC price at all. Just imagine all the current retail and OTC volume combined with hopefully even more mainstream institutional investors jumping on board for the first time in large mega-exchanges the likes of Fidelity or Bakkt. How could they possibly compete?

A year from now or less, these wannabe tyrants and their petty forkery and overt (illegal, even?) price manipulation will be irrelevant.

But then again, so may be all interest in crypto, for all the negative attention these shenanigans are bringing.



234. Post 48377317 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.17h):


Went off the grid a few weeks only to find bitcorn totally crapped the bed while I was lounging in ignorant bliss.
It's taken me days just to catch up on WO, much less clean the sheets and the walls and the ceiling and--Jesus, bitcorn, even my teddy bear?
You couldn't even spare soiling my one item of solace?

If we're to believe money's on the sidelines just waiting to jump in, well then at what price?
Or rather, how far off "bottom" do we need to rise again to get this FOMO party started?
At $4200, we're a good 20% off bottom; that not good enough? 50% do it? 100%?

I see a few problems at the moment.
1) It's STILL not cheap enough for 2+ year OGs to take more than a nibble. So ok OGs, what's your price or indicator before you're all in again? Is it really going to take $1k?
2) Baghodlers. My oh my do we have a lot of baghodlers. Everyone who has bought and hedl bitcorn since Sept of 2017 is now officially a baghodler.
What proportion of hodlers do you suppose this is? 80%? 90%? And what proportion of them have already contributed to the capitulation shitstorm on my bed?
Nothing like a room full of stank butthurt to keep a market down.
3) Gurd-durned speculators.
4) It goes without saying fork-you.

On with the news...

Haven't seen much made of this report yet.
CoinShares report: Renewable energy accounts for 77.6% of total Bitcoin’s energy usage
https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2018/11/30/coinshares-report-renewable-energy-accounts-for-77-6-of-total-bitcoins-energy-usage/
The Bitcoin Mining Network - Trends, Marginal Creation Cost, Electricity Consumption & Sources
https://coinshares.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Mining-Whitepaper-Final.pdf

Well this was rather depressing.
The biggest myths in cryptocurrency investing today and what would cause a new all time high
https://blog.goodaudience.com/the-biggest-myths-in-cryptocurrency-investing-today-and-what-would-cause-a-new-all-time-high-d6010657f01d

New life for GPUs? What the hell is a quantum dot? Is this sanitized hashing for noobs? No mention whatsoever of crypto on official site. What do you suppose the rake is?
No playing around: Your Asus graphics card can now mine crypto when you’re not gaming
https://www.theblockcrypto.com/tiny/no-playing-around-your-asus-graphics-card-can-now-mine-crypto-when-youre-not-gaming/
https://www.quantumcloudai.com/

Neat-o?
Announcing the Casa Lightning Node. The easiest way to use Lightning available today.
https://medium.com/casa/announcing-the-casa-lightning-node-596df7a7427
First impressions of the Casa Bitcoin Node
https://medium.com/swlh/casa-node-91aab9c1c2ef

Even a fool knows you can't reach for the stars. Doesn't keep the wise man from trying! Do what it takes to BTFD!



235. Post 48397638 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.17h):


Talking heads, so many talking heads.

More optimism than I expected from the peanut gallery.

Time To Buy Bitcoin?
Cointelegraph talks to Tom Lee, Mati Greenspan, Naeem Aslam and Ronnie Moas about why it makes sense to buy Bitcoin when everyone else is panic selling it. 
https://youtu.be/rKKMVBX7rYg
Decent round robin.

If you can stomach CNBC anchors, a few gems slip out when their guests can get a word in edgewise:

I am still a long-term bitcoin believer, says the Crypto King
Bitcoin gets slammed as the crypto carnage rages on. But Bart Smith, Susquehanna Digital Asset Head, says he's still a believer.
https://youtu.be/OMV1xXEoD8g
High net worth investors are not going to send photo id scans and money to random crypto website. Interest is piqued, but they are waiting for Fidelity, etc.

Tom Lee cuts bitcoin year-end target to $15,000
Tom Lee of Fundstrat Global Advisors joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the bitcoin fallout and where he sees it going next. 
https://youtu.be/Y-pX6GbRbwc
Bitcoin clearing 3X more on daily basis than PayPal, market caps about the same.
Bitcoin is a currency, no it's a commodity, no it's a store of value, no it's an emerging asset class.

Bitcoin won't have bottomed until 3K flat level, says Genesis Trading's Moro
Michael Moro of Genesis Trading and Genesis Capital joins 'Squawk Box' to discuss the price drop in bitcoin. 
https://youtu.be/L5FbbVT98Zw
Are crypto alts/forks disrupting perceived scarcity?
Bitcoin was anti-correlated, but is now correlating to broader markets as institutional funds seep in.
Fire that CNBC idiot and just let the guest talk for crying out loud.
 
Bitcoin is at the end of a distress cycle, says BlockTower
Michael Bucella, BlockTower Capital Partners
https://youtu.be/QUbtkMr7QBo
Bottom most volatile but also shortest period.
Professional management may reduce volatility. (Ha!)



236. Post 48425370 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.17h):

I'm really tempted to sell all my bitcoin just so I can buy bitcoin at these prices.



237. Post 48428894 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.18h):

Bitcoin, putting the 'numb' in numbers since 2009.  Grin



238. Post 48469891 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.18h):

Quote from: Biodom on December 05, 2018, 01:19:07 AM
Not sure if this was already posted, please don't kill the messenger as i don't agree with lots of these points.
However, this shows where institutional investors (aka hedgies) are on this.

https://twitter.com/DoveyWan/status/1068573163670261760

In short: institutionals are shell-shocked and bewildered.
My take home message from this particular tweetstorm: small size institutional money will not participate from now on.

TL;DR she predicts that, similarly to how internet happened, blockchain will eat the world, but somehow traditional players (Fidelity, Paypal, etc) would be the winners and we would be the losers.
I disagree, obviously.

Key takeaway for Institutions, Bitmain, Forkers, etc:

Bitcoin cannot be owned. Bitcoin will own you before you own Bitcoin.

I'm referring to Bitcoin with a capital B. The protocol and network. Not bitcoin the currency. Of course you own your private keys.



239. Post 48590016 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.20h):

Nice "State of Bitcoin" report.

Full Report
https://www.delphidigital.io/bitcoin

Highlights
https://twitter.com/Delphi_Digital/status/1072248572433915909








240. Post 48651734 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.20h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on December 13, 2018, 12:04:47 PM

I don’t think we will see $6k again before 2020.  


Agreed it's prudent to watch our hopium intake, Hairy, but 2020 seems awfully long for a return to $6k. Granted, we had a nearly 2-year downturn after Mt Gox from 2014-5 with little to no good news, but as far as fundamentals go, 2019 seems ripe for recovery.

What are your assumptions on big ticket items? To name a few expected in the first half of 2019:

Van Eck/CBOE ETF (admittedly low chances)
Bakkt
Fidelity Digital Assets
Nasdaq Futures

Are you thinking these things won't happen or rather they simply won't make much of a speculative difference? Are you weighing your prediction primarily on prior halving cycles? Are you correlating with global stock market expectations?

I worry that speculative interest is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy of chart analysis and pattern matching. The 2014 overlay to 2018 is eerily similar, yes, but is this simply a case of humans seeking solace in pattern matching?

Meanwhile, the lightning network is exponentially expanding, BCash is conveniently self-immolating, blockchain investment and employment numbers are steadily increasing, etc etc.

Sure, miners seem SOL, nothing new there; but I suspect new miners will find new places to slurp up cheap/stranded power, further decentralizing the network.




241. Post 48652572 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.20h):

2014-15 -> 2018-19 Copy/Paste?




242. Post 48720794 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.21h):

I think we just capitulated in the wrong direction.  Grin



243. Post 48727522 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.21h):



We might close on a 10%+ green dildo today

& 20% LTC



244. Post 48760371 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.21h):

1m charts have become fun again.




245. Post 50425421 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.39h):

Nice timing, NYT.

Published this morning

Amid Bitcoin Uncertainty, ‘the Smart Money Knows That Crypto Is Not Ready’
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/technology/cryptocurrency-bust-wall-street.html



246. Post 51478770 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.51h):

Been a while since I've updated this. Bitcoin has established 11 doubling floors since 2012 at a starting price of $2.50. This time period probably captures most of the crowd still hanging around WO. Anyone here still hodling pre-$2.50 corn?

As a permahodler (vs trader), stable price floors are more interesting to me than ATHs. This last doubling floor, from $2.5k to $5k has taken 639 days, a new record, assuming $5k actually holds this time. Been a long time coming, similar to the doubling floor from $80 to $160, which captured an ATH of $1200 and the subsequent Mt. Gox collapse along the way before finally carrying on. From $160 to $320 took another 315 days. It took a full three doubling floor cycles and solid 3+ years before we finally smashed through that late 2013 ATH with a new $1280 floor in mid 2017.

How many days until we are permanently above $10k? And then $20k? The coveted $100k?

Hard to predict with the long lookback time required. How many of us thought $5k was safe in the bag at the start of 2018? We've since had a solid 6 months of sub-$5k prices.

Hodl on!




247. Post 51480884 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.51h):

Quote from: vapourminer on June 15, 2019, 07:05:27 PM
Been a while since I've updated this. Bitcoin has established 11 doubling floors since 2012 at a starting price of $2.50. This time period probably captures most of the crowd still hanging around WO. Anyone here still hodling pre-$2.50 corn?

yup mined in 2011. still have some of those. when i started they were ~$10, went to ~$35 (woot!) then crashed to around $2 towards the end 0f 2011. but i still kept mining even at those prices. paid off big time later of course.


but i didnt discover WO till way later.

A true veteran. Takes some real cajones to hodl through all the ups and downs since then! Sounds like you're just enjoying the ride now.



248. Post 51481576 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.51h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on June 15, 2019, 08:47:43 PM
Good to have you back mfort

Missed you on the thread...... !!!!!

Thanks, Mic. Funny thing happened. I semi-retired and instead of more time on my hands, I'm spread thinner than ever. Not a bad problem to have when you're enjoying what you're doing.



249. Post 51531340 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.52h):

https://libra.org/en-US/white-paper/

Take a wild guess:

Number of times "Bitcoin" is referenced in the Libra whitepaper?

Zero

Number of times "blockchain" is mentioned?

65

That's some real chutzpah there, folks. Mentioning blockchain 65 times without a single mention of Bitcoin. As if they're trying to rewrite or at the very least obfuscate blockchain's origins. Brace yourselves for some grade A gaslighting. Make no mistake, their aim is not to complement Bitcoin, but replace it.

Quote from: Libra White Paper
Now is the time to create a new kind of digital currency built on the foundation of blockchain technology.

Ha!



250. Post 51598231 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):

Tales from the Crypt

Last couple years, instead of cash, my wife has been gifting BTC for friends and family kids’ birthdays. Small amounts labeled as “college fund”. Every once in a while, she pings the parents: how’s that college fund doing? Some of the returns are approaching 2-3x. Still, few if any of the parents are buying on their own.

Got an Ozzie mate I tried and tried again to convince investing in BTC well before the 2017 run up. He finally caught the fever near the ATH. Fearing he was too late for BTC, he started buying XRP and a host of other shitcoins. Had to have a serious sit down. Might have involved some bitch-slapping. He managed to DCA himself into BTC over the past couple years and calls me up this week: “I’m back in the black!! Wish I bought more at the start of the year!” I suspect we've got a hodler for life.

Know a Chinese gal recently married to a Yankee expat who caught shitcoin fever like only the Chinese can. Unbeknownst to her hubbie, she started dumping massive amounts of her yuan savings into the 2017 hype. When she was down 20% last year, my wife and I spent hours trying to convince her to cut her shitcoin losses. She had no exit plan and remained convinced they would all bounce back. She’s since lost enough she confided in my wife she has been contemplating suicide. Intervention time.

Know a recently retired couple in their 60s, an old boss actually, who came to town in Feb to visit their newlywed daughter. I’ve never spoken a word to them about Bitcoin. One morning they point blank ask, do I own any Bitcoin? Is now a good time to buy? Why yes, now is the perfect time to buy. They’d be sitting on 2-3x returns if they actually pulled the trigger back then. I’m thinking they didn’t though and probably mistakenly think they’ve already missed the boat. Time will tell.

It’s a fine line advocating at the same time impressing upon others the importance of dyor, dca, hodl, don’t overextend, think years not weeks/months. For every success story lurks a potential tragedy, and that’s an albatross no one wants hanging around their neck.



251. Post 51598843 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):


Quote from: jackbauercsgo on June 25, 2019, 03:19:46 PM
Tales from the Crypt

Last couple years, instead of cash, my wife has been gifting BTC for friends and family kids’ birthdays. Small amounts labeled as “college fund”. Every once in a while, she pings the parents: how’s that college fund doing? Some of the returns are approaching 2-3x. Still, few if any of the parents are buying on their own.

Got an Ozzie mate I tried and tried again to convince investing in BTC well before the 2017 run up. He finally caught the fever near the ATH. Fearing he was too late for BTC, he started buying XRP and a host of other shitcoins. Had to have a serious sit down. Might have involved some bitch-slapping. He managed to DCA himself into BTC over the past couple years and calls me up this week: “I’m back in the black!! Wish I bought more at the start of the year!” I suspect we've got a hodler for life.

Know a Chinese gal recently married to a Yankee expat who caught shitcoin fever like only the Chinese can. Unbeknownst to her hubbie, she started dumping massive amounts of her yuan savings into the 2017 hype. When she was down 20% last year, my wife and I spent hours trying to convince her to cut her shitcoin losses. She had no exit plan and remained convinced they would all bounce back. She’s since lost enough she confided in my wife she has been contemplating suicide. Intervention time.

Know a recently retired couple in their 60s, an old boss actually, who came to town in Feb to visit their newlywed daughter. I’ve never spoken a word to them about Bitcoin. One morning they point blank ask, do I own any Bitcoin? Is now a good time to buy? Why yes, now is the perfect time to buy. They’d be sitting on 2-3x returns if they actually pulled the trigger back then. I’m thinking they didn’t though and probably mistakenly think they’ve already missed the boat. Time will tell.

It’s a fine line advocating at the same time impressing upon others the importance of dyor, dca, hodl, don’t overextend, think years not weeks/months. For every success story lurks a potential tragedy, and that’s an albatross no one wants hanging around their neck.

Fun to pat ourselves on the back but let's not kid ourselves - watching walls get cut like a knife all the way down to $3k's was not exciting or fun.  Most bitcoiners likely had been dollar cost averaging for a year in around the $6-8k range thinking 6k was the floor and then *poof* it dropped to $3.5k.  Immediately after that, there was no reason to suspect we had hit rock bottom.  Honestly, I think it would've been insane to have been strongly suggesting that normies be putting their life savings in, even at $3.5k.  Price could've realistically fallen more (not to $0, but to $2k?  Sure!) & then they'd be calling you crying about little Jimmy's college savings being down 50%.

I'm just saying, it's easy to feel great when everything is 3x up from the bottom.  We have been greatly rewarded for taking our great risks & I don't think we should encourage the uneducated normies to take the same risks we do.  DCA is always the only way I encourage people to get in.

True that, but the bottom for some of us was $152 or even lower. $3k or even $1k? Pfft. Think years, halving cycles even, not months. Don't trade. Don't get caught up in the exuberance of short-lived ATHs as much as possible and keep your eyes on the solid floors. DCA, of course, is your friend.

Bitcoin has only closed above $10k 80 days or so. As long as you bought sometime in the last 10 years minus those 80 days, you are in the green. The asymmetry of this bet is rididulous and has been for much of Bitcoin's existence.

Life savings? No, the most I'd ever suggest is 5% of retirement savings.




252. Post 51600437 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on June 25, 2019, 05:55:29 PM


Shitastic!  Grin



253. Post 51604414 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):

SCARAMOUCH SCARAMOUCH WILL YOU DO THE FANDANGO!!!



254. Post 51615309 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):

Was that a single market order sell of 8 or 9 hundred btc on Coinbase?

$1500 1 min candle!



255. Post 51624457 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):

Quote from: cmacwuz on June 27, 2019, 02:43:03 AM


I'll be nice and quote the noob for effort.  Grin



256. Post 51629202 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 27, 2019, 09:08:00 PM
We should definitely listen to proudhon’s price predictions.

...

I’m sure there are more quotes but to conclude - What a fucking loser.

Proudhon is the best contrarian indicator WO has.

When Proudhon's around, we're in good hands.

Proudhon is the Colbert of Bitcoin.

Satire at its finest.

Confirmed.



257. Post 51629231 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.53h):

Quote from: yefi on June 27, 2019, 10:00:30 PM
Sure, go for it.

How do you shave your llama sack?

Probably like this.

https://movieweb.com/exclusive-video-new-dirty-jobs-sheep-castrator-clip/

Not for squeamish, haha. Dirty job but someone's gotta do it!




258. Post 51661146 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.54h):

Hold on for dear life
Do not doji the weekly
Buy the fucking dip!


Sunday Panic Haiku



259. Post 51665273 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.54h):

Quote from: sirazimuth on June 30, 2019, 08:11:30 PM
Here’s a beautiful gif for absolutely no reason other than me being a pervert.



wtf is with that big ole furry microphone?

Ok gentlemen boys, enquiring minds want to know, and it took some digging but somebody needed to take one for the team...

The source of this gif is the "Best Ass of Holland Competition".

As the Sunday weekly/monthly/quarterly comes to a close and sadly my haiku doji is being realized, find some solace in your google-fu abilities to examine this classic video first-hand to try and catch a front-side glimpse.

Personally, the assistant with the jiggle stopwatch just off camera in the gif is HAF.

Less than an hour to go, let's at least try and keep this doji GREEN!

Quote from: mfort312 on June 30, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Hold on for dear life
Do not doji the weekly
Buy the fucking dip!




260. Post 51665579 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.54h):

The king of doji
Thirty-five hundred eighty
Thus closed the weekly



261. Post 51671149 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.54h):

Think of 10k as thin ice.

We were above $10k only 85 days in the 2017-2018 bull run.

We've been above $10k only 11 days so far this year.

Bulls will tread lightly until they believe $10k can support their full weight for the next stampede.

Meanwhile, ain't nothing wrong with profit-grazing after a 4.44x rise from bottom.

Bears, meanwhile are desperately clawing at the fatty fat fish still taunting them just below the ice.

Let them eat snow.



262. Post 51847038 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.56h):

Observing 9666

BTC up 210% from Dec 17 low

S&P500 up 24% from Dec 21 low

Try harder, Bears




263. Post 51850185 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.56h):


Is it alt season yet?

Asking for a friend




264. Post 51855345 (copy this link) (by RejectedBanana) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.56h):

This twitter dude, recently quoted by smartcomet, has some other interesting charts:

https://twitter.com/CL207

Quote
Introducing Marketcap/GoogleTrend ratio.

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Bitcoin is in the stealth phase of its bull run. Usually public interest do not pick up until the previous all-time high has been smashed.

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Expanding pain.

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This meme... Strikes again.. he said 9200 July...

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This could actually be true. Someone pointed out to me that low 9000 is the maximum pain zone for both bulls and bears.