heh fun thread, that.

wonder what folks will think of this thread if btc hits 50, 100 grand.. hey maybe this thread will still be going then

if it never gets any higher i wont complain, i had a lot of fun with this failed experiment

sell does, ive done several today and yesterday. dunno about buy.

with the mycelium mobile app you can also sweep from paper wallet directly to another wallet, not just into mycelium. for example i swept a paper wallet directly to my trezor with it when i was splitting bcash out from it.

yeah. even my wife watches the price now.

we need a new poll with different numbers. 17,000+ USD??? this is just.. well.. uhh.. dunno what it is but its a cool ride!

wait.. dont you need a boat so you can have a "boating accident" for tax purposes?

 

yeah i pulled up my coinbase dashboard this morning and had one of those "wtf??" moments.

i wonder if part of it is all those new coinbase accounts buying ltc "because its cheaper" things? or perhaps now that btc has futures and big wall street money is now in so the old btc price manipulators cant compete with the wall street deep pockets.. so now ltc is  the coin to manipulate for "regular" crypto folks?

just buy a dental practice and the staff to keep it open for you 24/7.

i know. boring isnt it?

rats.

guess ill have lunch and then check if im rich again..

i more or less agree (well except for being tired of gains heh). cash out enough at this price (~18-20k USD) to coast through the next few years in style. at that point if btc is the same(ish) or higher do it again. because by then, if its still around it should be firmly entrenched and most likely MUCH higher. if its a bust, well then i got some good profits before it all took a face plant.

plus, you know, cool stories . damn what a ride. kinda cool watching people become millionaires before your eyes.

crap. we're poor again?

serves me right for blinking. ill have to pay more attention from now on.

engrave "next time HODL" in the cement.

i think we are rich and poor at the same time. depends on when you blink.

a game?  im in

07/02/2017 vapourminer

13.8k USD

now THIS is the roller coaster im used to.

the bitcoin ride of old is back! WEEEEEeeeeEEEEEE!!

boredom, be gone!

i snagged that already

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg26776384#msg26776384

*sigh* i guess ill have to sell some too.  take one for the team and all that.

its a heavy burden but someones gotta do it..

rats.

which one? decisions decisions. life sucks

probably the NSA.

HD6870 here, later added a HD5830. i think they each hit mid 30s as far as mh/s on btc. later mined ltc with them but cant recall the hash rate.

still have them both and they still run but the 6870 fan failed at one point and had to replace the hsf with an artic extreme setup. they both made me so much money ill never throw them out.. ahh the memories

yup, the 24 word seed is all you need if trezor and ledger both go belly up your coins are safe. just use any bip39 software or hardware wallet and import the seeds.

i have both the trezor and ledger nano s. i like the trezor more but ive had one for years so maybe im just more comfortable with it.  the ledger does support a few more coins than trezor natively. both can do erc20 coins through MEW.

trezor works with any browser, nano s needs chrome, although they are supposedly working on better browser support.

they work. but you need to create them securely.. linux live cd on a computer with no internet and a dumb printer. laser printer is best, as the paper can get wet and still be legible. or laminate the paper after.

send a small amount to a few, then sweep them to get you used to it. never reuse swept ones. when youre comfortable with it make a bunch and send set amounts to them so you can sweep the smallest one you need at the time of sweeping.

make several copies (not on a copier afterwards, ie print the wallets several times when you originally make them) and store them in different secure locations, and use bip38 passphrase encryption. worked for me for years. but i use hardware wallets now.

just wanted to say thanks to micgoossens for this game, and HAPPY NEW YEAR

well, ok. for some, a Medium Sorta Kinda Happy New Year!

whats going on here. private club, its builds a huge clock just for you folks, after a limo takes to your private jet and yall go home.

or am i in the wrong thread?

could work until they miscalculate the trajectory (or a guidance malfunction) and instead of going into earth orbit to be mined, it crashes into roaches house. whoops. roach will, however then be extremely rich and will post meme after meme about how he was right.

im an organ donor. with my early days hard partying lifestyle, my wife told me no one would want them. 

ok searched a bit and i still cant figure out what this means.. what are "old coins" and why are they worth more?

thanks. i still have a few from 2012 or so on paper wallets that still have the extra goodies in them then.

yup, for alt coins. then exchange for btc.

vs amd, they cost more up front but are more power efficient in the long term.

yeah i tried to keep it simple. amd is generally better on some algos, nvidia at others. and even within the amd and nvidia lines some models are better at some algos than others (say 1070 vs 1080ti on nvidia, or 580 vs vega on amd). makes mining a with a mixed rig like mine more fun.

back when i mined btc on amd gpus the VLIW4 vs VLIW5 generation was a big deal if i recall correctly.

does that happen often?

is that so bad? i mean it beats being passed out naked in a bathroom in mexico (umm, or so ive heard), especially if you dont live in mexico . it even beats being passed out drunk in police lockup (that one ive verified heard of too).

tossed ya a merit to help you recharge as i know youll pass em on to some worthy post or another. well, probably a worthy post.

btc price has gone up 1.5% or the price for buying your merits has gone up 1.5%? 

aaaarg. i have one. but it was a very early one, ordered very early on the 1st day so mine shipped way ahead of most, so it actually made some fiat profit. lost in btc mined though. had one of their fpgas and that one actually made fiat and btc. the rare good bfl experience in an otherwise bleak landscape of scammed customers. yeah bfl was as deceitful and crooked as they came.

imagine if bfl had survived. you think bitmain is bad.. man, nightmare city.

ok stupid question time again.

what does "iT" stand for?? i see it all the time and cant figure it out from its usage.

lmao. ok, got it. i saw some "IT"s and some "iT"s so thought they were different. figures its a "iThing"

late 50's here. and when i heard of btc in 2011 i took to the concept like a dog to a bone.

dont forget us old farts have seen how the government and banks play with money "for our own good" for a long time and many of us trust the government/banks even less than the younger generation.

but maybe im an exception. lot of my friends around my age just dont get btc and wont get into it. but that may be because they generally arent a technology freak like i am. 

sometimes, less is more.

hate it when guitarists compete with each other. there needs to be definition between instruments and notes and it sucks when you cant tell the guitars apart, especially from a mixing point of view for live sound reinforcement and recording.

me i just mess with bass and drums for a hobby. its fun to feel what you play. good way to keep wilderbeasts away from your house too.

heh yeah i have an intel X25M G2 80 gig from 2009 thats still running in a notebook. 8 years, heh. beat the snots of it but it just will not die.

i probably have a dozen+ ssds spread around my boxen, no failures yet. all OSs/data/games on ssd; spinners are for bulk storage (media) and backup (raid 5, then to offline).

63 here.

lemme know what you get offered so i can price myself accordingly.

i think this sMerit ride still has a couple pumps left. hanging on to my stash for the right time.. cuz, you know, moon or bust   

01110111 01101000 01111001 

on the gripping hand you just estimate how long you figure you have left.

say you figure 30 years. a lambo plus enough money for a lavish lifestyle for 15 years is 1/2 your stack. will the value of the btc you still have left at that point (due to btc price increase in 15 years) be enough for another 15 or 20 years beyond that? 

if you dont spend it faster than your remaining stacks value increases.. TOYS!!!

of course if the price tanks.. well theres always organ donations or something. always have a Plan B.

wut? no land to 4x4 on?  eeeeewwwww

yeah i am saving a merit for march 2019 with a note to check the price, if its in that range i will come back to this and merit the post.

dude! send twice as much ($108) and maybe youll get twice as much ($28.6 million) back!

cant lose!!  hurry hurry!!

rofl

speaking of alexa

anyone see this? siri, alexa and google talking to each other in an infinite loop.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/make-siri-alexa-and-google-assistant-talk-in-an-infinite-loop/

not THIS is science and logic in action lol.

btw i would NEVER have an always on listening device in my home.. even the smart phones are off unless needed. im sure theres more stuff that can listen though.

need more faraday cages

depends on where youre at in life. im in my 50s and everything is paid off already aside from a few years left on my geothermal loan and a solar setup going in this summer..

i hope to cash out up to 1/3 of my stack this year and put it into stuff that gives enough dividends to pay for monthly bills for say 4 years. this will give btc time to get to decent levels (hoping 40k+ USD) because at that price the other 2/3 will set me up for life very comfortably.

if it tanks, oh well. i do have other assets that will still allow a comfortable living, so im covered either way.

guess the point is if you can sell some of your stack now to buy enough time for btc to rise (if we are in the crypto winter it may be several years for the price to recover to 20k+ again) its worth the risk of cashing out say 1/3 of your stack. calculated risk, but it allows me full retirement now. if it fails, i can still retire fairly comfortably, but if it moons my retirement will be VERY comfortable indeed.

buying some time for btc to recover seems like its a fairly good plan to me, but i do have a decent Plan B also.

oh and @Arriemoller,  good on you for retiring seems like a good risk to me.

this is the reason youtube was invented. it is the pinnacle of human knowledge. dont waste the footage.

bought coins under 1k?? jeeze i SOLD most of mine under (as in WAY under) 1k  over the tears. of course having gotten most of my coins ~2011-2012 is a plus.

edit: typo - tears should be years but it fits so ill leave it.

yup.

why change my dress code (jeans and tee shirt) and lifestyle (do whatever i want).

its just the location i do it in changes. new sights and places to see, better hotels and such.

i still have some bcashlol. sold most early on, but have a few on exchanges with various sell points, hoping another pump may wander along.

but youre right, i think its time to just dump em. might keep one just for the lulz, along with that pic of him screaming with the middle finger lol. classic.

anyway thanks for the free btc ver!

sadly Rush is done with concerts

fautor stultus - most altcoiners

sweet!

09 september 2018 = vapourminer please

hey dont knock it. some taste pretty good actually.

and yes, my curiosity will do me in some day.

wouldnt a taxable event only happen when the btc is sold/traded? if so just never spend it. xfer that unwanted btc to a separate wallet/address and never touch it again.

have to use a wallet with coin control or something to get it right maybe.

im down with that, and will being doing my part.

no worries i covered it for ya.

got a password reset attempt on my account too.

since i am nowhere near respected or admired, it looks like they are being reduced to scraping the bottom of the barrel in my case.

damn, my doctor assured me those acid flashbacks would stop after a few years.  he was WRONG!!!

as long as the price hits the point where the wife and i can afford boosterspice (a not yet invented drug that stops aging - see larry niven novels) i will be happy.

this.

i put in way less than 1 % of my wealth into a few video cards to mine btc back in 2011.

obviously percentage wise btc represents more of my wealth than that now. even after selling probably 50 times my original investment over the years for toys and vacations.

now selling some off for retirement, mainly for index funds and pm to start. traditional stuff. i will keep a good chunk of my stack of course.

was funny when my wife and i listed our assets to our financial advisor. my wife listed all the traditional stuff, it was a pretty good list and took a while. then he turned to me and i told him the value of my one asset i manage: crypto. his face was something to see. he was actually very interested in it but he doesnt trust it.

he wanted me to sell at least half so we could retire outright right then and there. that was when it was around 6k. i waited and got around 9.5k for the ones i sold. plus sold some extra for taxes. ill put that into a cd or something.

checked with my bank to make sure they were ok with the amount of crypto i was depositing (it was like 10 times what i had cashed out in total previously), they were fine with it. ive used them mainly for coinbase cashouts for 5 years now, so maybe that helped.

or potential appreciation? like, buying that landfill where the guy tossed out his hard drive with a fortune of btc?

stop thinking small.

owning planets are where its at. i want Saturn. lots of moons to build on. plus, you know, the rings are sooo cool.

good points. i need to adjust my thinking.

ok i will go for all the ringed planets in known space. then ill branch out to others once theyre all mine.

but. as mentioned, might be faster to just buy/build plain planets and build my own ring systems for them. hmmmm.

cool by me, i might want to rent vacation planets on occasion.

yup sell everything. you just need a tent, a mobile phone for internet, a rpi for wallets and a solar cell to run them. for food, grass is good enough for cows so its good enough for us. water? one of those survivalist water filters.

then wait a few years. good to go

and heres a copy of mindrusts disclaimer:
Legal Disclaimer: This is not an investment advice. Any future financial loses you may have based on my opinions, I don't give a fuck. Don't even try to sue me.

check this reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7riczy/melted_ledger_nano_s/

sounds exactly like what happened to yours. deformed spot neer the screen.

np.

i have a nano s thats just for erc20 stuff (trezor can do erc20 as well but i wanted them separate), i have two trezor ones (the originals, which i like MUCH more than the nano) and a trezor T on its way. use those for the main stacks.

i prefer to spread my coins around multiple devices in case one device (or its seed) gets compromised or destroyed. although the since the seeds are spread around so much unless most of the state i live in gets wiped off the earth thats a pretty small possibility.

but still i feel safer with some on paper, some on varied hardware, and smallish amounts of spending money on computer and android phone.

sounds like a plan. i would be strapped into a Jeep for that one last ride.

coinbase allows it. not sure how it works though but iirc the recipient gets the email with instructions on how to open an account there to claim them.

EDIT i thought in the past there were issues if the recipient either never claimed them (never signed up) or could not open a coinbase account due to location or some such. those coins did not return to the sender. this was a while ago so maybe things have changed since then?

man i still think of "big blocker" as a gearhead term for those who prefer large block (vs small block high revving) car engines.

old, i am.

it shows two within a 30 mile radius of me. might have to buy some at one of them just for the lulz as ive never used (or even seen) a btc atm yet.


my thinking exactly.

had a timex-sinclair 1000 (basically a zx-81 that was prebuilt for usa market) with the 16k ram pack and that sparky printer. still have it somewhere. the sparky printer was pretty cool.

the ram pack connection was so wobbly (instant lockup if you even breathed on it) i wound up hot gluing the whole thing to a piece of wood.

ts1000 -> vic20 -> c64 -> columbia 8088 with (eventually) a 30 megabyte rll drive woot! (1st ibm pc clone) -> ibm at -> self built from there  (386sx and onward).

also had a programmable hp calculator back around the late '70s but it didnt have the stripe reader, i had to code moon lander in by hand each time so i would never never turn it off rofl.

forgot about those, had a trs-80 4p luggable. 128k (bank switched), built in mono green screen, two 5.25 floppies and a 1200(?) baud modem, ran cp/m as well as trsdos and such.

i was a good machine, i loved mine.

yeah if roach comes back in another kife he aspires to be a dragon. a roach can dream, right?

mine tested ~125 waaay back around highscool.

i then discovered drugs. way more fun. of course way more disruptive as to the directions i had picked in college (programming). dropped college, stayed with drugs. much fun, much stupidity, some broken bones and other misc injuries from "here, watch mah beer" type stuff.

oh well. its part of what made me who i am today, and if i had a do over id probably choose drugs again.

ugliest watch ever.

i did look through the richardmille watch site, the one with dragon figures seemed okish

but $800k+ for a watch. lulz. no matter how rich i became, i would never pay that for a watch.

now, i could see myself with one of those olde skool red LED watches from the 70's.. press the button to light up the time. THOSE were cool.

yup, i stand corrected. half the price, twice as ugly.

a Donald Duck watch is looking better and better in my eyes now.

nah, ones like this reproduction (i would want originals of course). press the button to see the time.

we are perfectly safe

K9 is ready to take out the evil google/military slaughter bots.

i use MEW (myetherwallet) with a trezor and ledger nano s for eth and erc20 tokens.

havent used MEW without a hardware wallet though so cant comment on how secure your keys are without one.

edit: i wouldnt bother with the official mist/geth wallet, it seems to have problems syncing even on multi core systems with SSDs. and the size of the blockchain is ridiculous.

so we are only at "suck level 3"? it can get worse?

bleh

at least the dial doesnt go to "11"

SWEET!

now we are prepared for serious doom and destruction. none of this wishy washy half baked stuff.

no worries, here, have some of mine. the white ones are the best.

agree. 3 out of the 4 times i updated my ledger nano s it got stuck somewhere and i had to hit reddit to figure it out.

NEVER had a problem with my trezor updating. i have two, 1st was bought several years ago, another last year. my trezor t arrives today.

trezor is much more polished, better design from an intuitive and physical usability standpoint, better ui, doesnt need chrome; it can use any (most) browser. although ledger is moving away from chrome to a stand alone app from what i gather.

its still big in medical, mainly for HIPAA compliance as email is not considered secure. most records are sent from practice to practice that way as there currently is little standardization for electronic medical records. i would send/receive hundreds of pages a day.

i voted B by mistake (sorry, lack of coffee) as after thinking a moment i would change to D if i could.

we all know what the ignore button does, thats all we need. as we all have different things that offend us we really cant expect someone to arbitrarily decide for us.

the current level of moderation is fine.

it will say something like "you are a merit source, the next x merits will come from your source" on your merit page.

sure some posts can be annoying; this thread can get NSFW images and ideas as well as blatantly racist stuff posted.  so what? i would rather make the choice of who and what to ignore than have different opinions than mine censored.

the only posts that really annoy me are those useless shitposts about nothing by users that are bounty hunting or whatever to get posts counts up. those can be deleted as they are not even remotely worth reading. content=null, so fine to delete. thankfully this thread doesnt have a many of them compared to the rest of the forum.

i find it hard to believe people that are otherwise reasonably intelligent can still believe that moon landings were faked.

mental block?  lack of knowledge the technical aspects? brain washing? wishful thinking? whatever it is.. well enjoy your beliefs.

it was mainly political IIRC. we needed to show russia up. they had the 1st satellite, and 1st person to orbit the earth.

a manned moon landing was the next step. couldnt let russia beat us there too; they would then be the most advanced "space faring" nation. no way would the USA come in second on that, our national pride was at stake.

and the advances from the space program have many benefits. one being that for long term human survival as a species. we need to get off this rock before we destroy it.

the sooner colonies are on mars/wherever, the better the chance for human survival. earth is getting to be  shithole. we need "boots on the ground" at some point and automated probes are just the 1st step towards that.

pencil shavings floating around were perceived to be a problem as they could get into delicate electronic packages. hence, pens.

at least there was some reasoning involved. whether it was valid? who knows. NASA (back then) was all about safety, anything that might cause equipment failure was minimized.

valid to a point, but pencil points dont last long (we use em in medical a lot and we always need to sharpen them, one page of writing and its more or less useless) and if you break the tip, what then. send up 100s?

but i do see your point. not sure if theres more to it than i know.

no need from my point of view, as one way or another BTC price is not affected.

there is plenty of evidence around if you look for it. believing it is up to the individual. depends on ones technical understanding of the tech and your belief in the sources.

ive seen a bit of the "fake moon landing" stuff. shadows in odd directions, flag staying horizontal, the rock with a prop number, camera button too small, such like that. all were debunked once you know the real reasons for such "discrepancies."

unless theres much more recent stuff to "prove" otherwise, the moon landing being real is a done deal for me.

btw i watched the 1st moon landing in a telescope with my dad in the back yard. cant say we saw much however

living in cardboard boxes under bridges is popular here in the USA. might work in Cambodia too.

needs to be 4WD. after all, bitcoiners need to get to where theyre going no matter what is in between point a and b.

say, this Mercedes AMG G63, 580+ HP, just the thing for off road jaunts. even says "BITURBO" on the side lol.



https://www.mercedes-amg.com/en/vehicles/g-class/suv/g63.html

cool idea.

could be as simple as parsing for the phrase "my speculation price: $xxxxx" or something in a post. everyone who wants to play just adds that phrase and a price in their post.

unless im reading this wrong, which is always a strong possibility with me.

you cant run core in prune mode for LN?

agreed. once you start reading the linked stuff (which will require a LOT of time) much of it makes a lot of sense (not that i pretend to understand most of it, i just cant keep up). just be prepared to possibly have some of your beliefs about btc/crypto challenged.

yup

started mining btc in 2011 when it was like $5 USD. watched it go to around $35 USD. then drop for a long time to around $2.50 USD. then back up. then back down. then back up. then...

rode it out then, ill ride it out now. moon or bust i figure. anything in between is for cowards.

short version, from my limited understanding: if you have coins that you have had pre aug 2017 (the core/bcash split) and have only been moved to legacy core addys since (and are not contaminated with segwit lineage), those are so called satoshi coins and will survive a segwit doom scenario.

last of the v8s posted a link upthread to the satoshi coin site run (afaik) by trilema.

i have made sure the bulk of my coins from have stayed in non segwit addys, most from paper wallets from 2013.. after the split (bcash and core are considers splits from the satoshi coin chain) i xfred to non segwit core addys and sold that bcash crap).

i do have some segwit coins, those are the "spending" coins i use for buying stuff like pm and newegg etc. satoshi coins are for long term hodl.

i look at it this way: i am a long time holder. i have an amount of btc i wish to protect. there is a very small, but non zero, chance i could lose btc stored in a segwit address. and all i have to do to mitigate that risk is store my long term btc in a legacy address. well thats a no brainer to me. after all my long term coins rarely move and segwit has no real advantage for long term holders.

i do have segwit coins, those are the ones i move back and forth to exchanges, use to buy stuff etc, IOW the day to day coins. the bulk of my coins are legacy. i get the best of both worlds: cheap fees on the daily driver segwit coins, better security for the legacy hodl coins. so whats the problem?

EDIT: here is an interesting read.. its what happened to a bunch of segwit coins on a chain that does not support segwit coins. happened on the bcash side but does illustrate what can happen (well, kinda, i think. maybe its not).

https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7eixcu/recovering_bch_sent_to_segwit_addresses/

EDIT 2: i do not do bcash, i sold that crap off.

im not sure what you mean (point 0?). what disadvantage do i have by storing btc in a legacy address? i will pay a higher fee when i move them at some point and i accept that. but im no worried about it; i tend to move fairly largish amounts (fairly largish to me anyway) at a time and generally im not in a hurry so usually i chose the smallest fee and dont care if it takes days to confirm. its a small percentage compared to the amount i move. for fast transactions i use segwit coins ive set aside for daily driver type stuff.

so how is that playing into anyones hand?

as for point 1, as i mentioned it may not apply except for illustrating how the underlying segwit "spend to anyone" can be exploited. which is admittedly a very small risk, but a risk nonetheless. risk is risk. if it cost basically nothing to eliminate it, why would i not do so?

i guess it boils down to why i would go out of my way to use segwit addys for long term hodl?

that table doesnt have the 2011 price decline from $35 to $2. my 1st year in btc, so i remember it well. when i started it was $10 and going up (i was mining with ATI HD6870 and 5830).

yup more or less this. at this point i see no need to move my legacy hodl coins just for the sake of a new format. when i do move them for trade/buy/whatever i move them in chunks to segwit as segwit does have an advantage in fees.


this is a good point. legacy sucks for privacy and segwit/lightning may help in that. at this point segwit doesnt (that i know of) but as it evolves then there will be a real reason to use segwit aside from lower fees.

BTW trezor allows multiple wallets and each wallet is completely independent with its own addresses and coins that never mix. you can make each wallet legacy or segwit. i believe some software wallets can or are starting to allow much finer control of how coins are combined when spending, but i havent done any real research into it. i use trezor, paper and core for wallets.



ah i understand now.

i figure since im using core whether im using segwit or not, im supporting core as much as the next guy, im just not using all its features at all times. 98% of my current transactions are segwit with only the occasional transfer of legacy to legacy addys that i do to claim fork coins. for example the bulk of my coins have maybe four xfers.. pool -> core wallet -> paper -> trezor -> trezor again (to claim forked coins). i have a trezor t now so ill probably move them once more and claim whatever crap has forked since my last move. but ill keep the legacy coins legacy. yes, im stubborn i know. i dont like change when it comes to the storage of my money. segwit is too much change at the moment. safe storage is better than convenient storage. and legacy is the safest format at the moment. legacy has been battle tested. seqwit has not, as there is an attack vector segwit coins have that legacy doesnt have. so for the 1st time there is an attack that targets coins stored in a specific format (segwit) while leaving coins in another format (legacy) alone, and is easier to do. that is not what i want in my long term storage coins.

core offers both format. i chose legacy for storage and move the amount i foresee using for the next few months or whatever to segwit.

works for me.


total agreement. i spent coins early on whenever i had the chance just to support the ecosystem and support vendors who accepted btc. at todays prices i dont even want to think about the value of the coins i more or less blew just to support the ecosystem, but i dont regret it a bit. after all its we who are proving the value of btc. we need to prove it "just works." to me that btc was well spent.

we agree on many things. especially the freedom to choose how we store and use  btc. its up to the individuals comfort level and how much he trusts their knowledge of the subject.  

is there some commandment from the core team that i dont know about? one that says btc MUST be stored in segwit addys, MOVE THEM NOW!!

you do know core supports legacy addys. and it always will support legacy addys. so i will continue long term hodl coins in legacy format. my choice.

this "YOU SHOULD STORE ALL YOUR COINS IN SEGWIT OR YOU ARE A SHILL OF SOME TYPE" stuff is ridiculous. i use core. i chose to use legacy for storage, segwit for spending.

ok now go ahead and accuse me of being something or another.

the fork that results is basically nothing more than using only legacy address format coins (because they  have the on chain signatures that can prove ownership) on the current chain. you cant steal coins that follow the same rules that the fork have.

i would rather rely on math that includes the signature information that proves the coins are mine on chain.

consensus can be a fickle beast, and what power wants and what the current consensus wants may differ in the future. there is a lot of money thats sitting in segwit. i do not want to underestimate the greed and power focused on that.

if/when this attack happens core will remain core with its segwit coins intact and the fork will be the fork, whatever name it chooses. my current legacy coins will remain safe on both. i dont care what the odds are of the fork becoming dominant are as its non zero, and i do not want my btc to be at non zero risk.

as always the choice is the users. this information exists, its up to the user to evaluate it for its risk to their wealth.

i had been a btc miner (around 2011-2013 or so when gpus could do it), not a buyer, of btc, although now i occasionally also buy some. so it was more or less like continuous dollar cost averaging buying. so the coins i mined back in the day (which is the bulk of my current stack) i never replenished as i spent them back then. i mined new ones anyway so i was spending profit, and just wanted to test and use the new ecosystem.

replenishing coins sold with new ones is the best way for most people looking to build up their stash while taking advantage of btcs strengths for purchases. your strategy is a good one. currently i mine alts with gpus and exchange them for btc so i still replenish btc although its not much.

i like tinkering with electronic stuff, been building PCs since the 90s or so. and mining (as a hobby), while not for everyone, does have some advantages, like mine a new coins that are not on the main (read: more or less trustworthy) exchanges yet. since my rig is paid off i can play around with the different alts at bit. although mostly i mine to the most profitable (for example mainly eth at the moment) and exchange all of what i mine for btc, with some coins that i think may go up more relative to btc in the near(ish) future i will sell enough to pay electric and keep the rest for speculation. if it goes up, exchange to btc, if not oh well it was house money anyway.

its fun being in crypto. totally new concepts that could be game changers, cool toys, drama that is occasionally interesting, learning new things, maybe make some money. what could go wrong heh. and we get to play in this space.

long time holder here (2011) and i sold some on the dec 2017 run up, it was too hard to resist not taking some profits off the table. i used it to do some house upgrades and get a few new toys.

yes i believe in what bitcoin represents; the new way of storing value, security and money in general. i wouldnt have held the bulk of my btc this long if i didnt. but taking advantage of its price rise here and there, well, nothing wrong with that imo. its nice to enjoy the benefits on occasion.

my wrenching days are far behind me. brakes fluids filters tuneups are about all i wish to do now. my time is worth more than what it would take to do any repairs and maintenance beyond that.

and in the sticks dependability is all. so i buy new and get 100,000 mile "everything included" warranties. once it hits that (say 5-6 years) the new vehicles have so many new features and tech its worth buying new again. repeat as needed.

i still do stuff on an old jeep thats my wheeling mobile, but thats pretty easy to work on. and its a hobby mobile, not a daily driver thats absolutely needs to get me from point a to point b when i need it.

mtgox 2.0

trezor.

ooooh another list! can i be on it too. huh huh please please

ohh, wait..

yeah.. i stopped sniffing glue for this??

hey might work.. wasnt steve jobs known for asking perspective employees during their job interview if they had ever done acid?

for weapons?

well, if youre a lousy shot (not saying you are) i can see the need for wanting large capacity mags.

im a wheel gun type of guy. if 6 rounds aint enough, well that just means there are more than 6 targets. and thats where speed loaders come into play.

wait.. wasnt one of the first currencies seashells?

the more things change the more things stay the same..

"sometimes peace is just another word for surrender"

Babylon 5

so which future is the one where i own all the bitcoins?

interesting. i cashed out a pretty good sum in one shot (well took a week due to limits) early this year, bank had no problem. even talked to them to say i could come in with proof of source (mining, gpu card receipts, logs to pools, payout data and signed addresses etc). but they never even blinked.

but having proof ahead of time is a good idea. sooner or later someone will ask.

interesting article. thanks.

so i may have the option of taking tax money that otherwise would be paid to the government and more or less wasted and instead pick my own areas and technologies to invest it in instead. and it helps the little guys. im in. although it sounds too good to be true to be honest. and its new and untested. never had a problem with new and untested things before, as long as i can figure risk/reward ratios fairly well.

replied in other thread for this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4740118.msg42845512#msg42845512

and if there is no white part? some sort of order of historic oppressiveness needs to defined.

im kinda wondering the same thing myself. both are on ignore at the moment but i click "show post" every so often for the lulz.

oh man how did i miss this?? that thread is gold

pretty sure youre right.

isnt this what we signed up for? the wild ride?

i mean who wants to be bored.

well, except when forced by to lie by being given conflicting orders.

i dont think so. if one can prove his data or analysis is wrong, he will admit his mistake. it has happened. thats not the mark of a cultist. cultists ignore facts.

it may seem hes inflexible but thats only because his logic, understanding of the subjects and research is very very good.

the mark of a true scientist is to go with the best theory that fits the facts as they are known. when something happens that invalidates that, the scientist will scrap that theory and search for a new one. thats shelby.

even his detractors generally admit he is very very smart. thats puts us average guys (like me specifically not mentioning any names here) at a distinct disadvantage. i would need to dedicate years to understand just some his theories, and even then i probably lack the brainpower to fully grok it.

when i was a laborer, i noticed no one faked anything, we were all just ourselves. once i graduated to office jobs, thats when i noticed the fakers.

guess i was just lucky then. it was construction, we all pulled out weight and got along great, and partied a lot outside of work.

my office gigs however.. many backstabbers there.

im not Gyrsur but i mined btc back in 2011 onward and also buy/bought here and there over the years.

my answers are huge yes, big yes, and yes.

i take it exactly as it looks, once your initial investment pays out in the tangible assets (money, physical items of worth, knowledge, whatever) its all gravy. i would think (hope) most people in this thread are in this category, ie playing with "house money." at this point even if my stack goes to zero the minute i type this i still made out.

now, one can always argue about lost profit opportunity from this point on, buts thats another animal to me.

hard to tell. back when i started and btc was so cheap i didnt really pay attention. i got in it for the experimental aspect more than any profit. all i know is, aside from the first few years, every year i have less btc, but the real world value of that lessor amount of coins is more. usually much more.

as a miner you can look at it as dollar cost averaging, more or less. like i "buy" coin every week, non stop as long as i mine. then sell as needed.

ive mainly used btc as a kind of a "level up" thing. as in i mainly used them to "upgrade" stuff like vacations, toys, gifts etc to a higher level than i would of without btc. occasionally i would lock a chunk of profit up and put it into efts or other non crypto assets that (hopefully) earn returns in a more conventional, less risky way but of course with much less potential profit.

dude.

why is there still wine in the glass in these pics??

you need to drink more, post less. as in less until youre really loaded. cant wait to see those posts and pics.

im probably misunderstanding, but i read that more or less as "how is btc profit compared to my other investment goals that have the same amount of effort/capitol as far as my personal goals are concerned."

i do agree that if you have only broke even well thats better than losing but if the same amount invested in something else you knew of at the time would of done better then its less profitable than you could of done. so basically, a fail. but we can only be so knowledgeable about such things. we learn as we go.

so my investment in btc has fared unbelievably well compared to any other investments i have done. im so far past "made my initial money back" its stupid. now, i could of done better in the past (like buying early apple, microsoft, google etc stock) but the past is the past and hindsight can only serve as a lesson to learn. of my current investments, btc is king. even if it goes to zero today, as i have locked in so much profit.

so basically at this point im diversifying even at the cost of lower (but safer) returns but i am ok with that, im a belt and suspenders kind of guy. so i suppose one could say im leaving potential gains on the table but i realize that. when you are long term contingency planning, and take worse case scenarios into account, you know you have to throw money/time into things that may not have much, if any, returns. even to the point that that money/time is purely wasted if whats its guarding against never happens. but thats just like paying an insurance premium to me. i sure would feel stupid with all my eggs in one basket if that basket breaks.

so, at this point im more into making sure my wife and i have a secure future even if things go to crap than more profit. once i hit a certain level, my priorities shift. i am goal oriented, and once that goal is attained i turn to the next one. one can always go back and fortify any particular goal or position as needed later.

im guessing you are younger than i. im on the wrong side of fifty. at my age i take less risk as im too old to start over. if i were younger i certainly would be increasing my stack as finances allow. i hope to get back to that too once certain new goals are met. but as of right now, other priorities are more important.

not depleting your stack and especially increasing your stack is always a good thing. for instance i have recently taken advantage of btcs currently lower price to replace some that i sold ~100% higher earlier in the year. but im still down btc from last year. i see btc as a tool. a new, experimental tool to manage value. and its still experimental really. there is still the risk it will fail. or, through personal error, my wallets could get compromised and coins stolen. so im using part of my stack to diversify into different non crypto holding in case it all goes south.

maybe because i got into it fairly early, i still see it as a tool to be used, not as a "get rich" thing. although i hope we all do. but currently im using it now to secure our (wife and i) future with as little risk as possible.
 
so on average for the last few years i have generally spent more btc than i replace. at this stage in my life  i have changed some priorities and used btc profit to try and ensure a more than comfortable retirement (if all goes even close to well). we were at the point that retirement should go well for us anyway but its time to revisit that position and nail down a few potential lose ends. once im happy with that i will go back to accumulation. at least i hope to.

 

as i said, i have and continue to make/modify plans that take into account worse case scenarios, at least as far as i am able. the potential failure of fiat is included in those plans. but, so is the failure of btc.

personally i am quite confident in btc rising in value. but i wont stake our future on just btc. or just fiat. we need to survive either ones failure. and even then its possible both will fail. thats my biggest worry, both go south. but its possible to survive that too, if you have enough things of value that can be traded for whatever is needed.

btc, fiat, physical holdings. one fails, no biggie, but annoying. two fail, well thats gonna hurt but its still possible to survive ok, although it will almost certainly suck a lot. but it still beats being homeless, starving and depending on others. all three fail? well, it was fun while it lasted. hopefully one has knowledge or skills that are in demand.

its not that simple of course, but thats my general view.

agreed. someone in a country with high inflation or a corrupt/insane dictator will allocate to those categories differently than someone in a more or less stable country. or some place prone to natural disasters that could wipe out vast parts of the land or infrastructure. each one must assign a risk factor and try to allocate/adjust funds accordingly.

now, if i were single, i would have much more of my net worth in btc. but im married now and much more risk averse. single, i did take much higher risks as they only affected me, no problem.. im an idiot, know it, and paid the stupid tax when needed. married, i wont risk our comfortable retirement simply for more possible profit. thats not to say i wont take risks for more profit at all, but much smaller ones than previously. securing our future is the priority. and to me that means more diversification. and i dont mean alts (junk), i mean non crypto. even though that has far less potential dividends, plus has its share of downsides too.

guess i just sleep more comfortably knowing ive done what i can to cover as many bases (to a reasonable extent) as i can.

also, for the record, i think bitcoin is the future of money and storage of value. writing that just in case someone thinks i dont. bitcoin was and is the best investment i ever did. im just somewhat more pessimistic about the world in general as i age. just wait till youre old and decrepit like i am, your viewpoint may change too heh.

which is easier to write: "lambo", or "fabulously obscenely stinkin filthy rich beyond your wildest dreams"?

you can still afford to ride on a bus? damn. look at mr moneypants here

i look at it this way.. while i may have nothing to hide from the government right now, who knows what currently legal activity may become illegal in the future? nothing like having decades of data to comb through to jail someone on something they dont like and pass new laws on. or "leaking" legal, but embarrassing data of someone they target and want to discredit.

and im sure all that data is very secure, with no chance of it getting stolen or misused. we all know how good the government is at data security.

doesnt have to be self published to be monitored by the government. i wont go into tinfoil hat territory but there are so many sources of information the government can or will be able tap into it isnt funny. what you knowingly send/receive on a computer or smartphone may be the least of ones worries.

seatbelts?? bitcoin is a no seatbelt, hang your head out the side with your tongue hanging the wind kind of thing.

of course it helps when the train is moving somewhere.

wheres the one with the bored looking guy?

my view also.

i use the trezor one for btc, and much later grabbed a nano s for alt coins (the few i have). i have a trezor model t also but am waiting before i put any significant amount in it just because i want to see it proven as good as the original trezor 1st.

i dumped the bulk of my bcash_lol very early on, kept maybe 20% for a while which i have sold off here and there since. i still have a bit left that ive played with trying to capitalize on its occasion PnD . i image many or most in this thread did similar.

most bcash_lol folks seem to be too brainwashed to understand why its not a solution to scaling, i have a feeling many will just ride it into the ground. of course im sure the bcash_lol guys think the same of us

so yeah i guess the question remains: will those who do bail on bcash_lol dump it for btc?  a random shitcoin? or exit crypto entirely for fiat/pm/whatever?

yup

im getting to the point of only checking the price every few days. soon it will be weeks between checks.

wake me up out of my stupor if anything interesting happens

ZZZzzzzzzz...

can i just despise myself and call it even? been a long day

30 merits a word, or ~1.3 merit per letter.

imagine what JJG would get for one of his typical posts at that rate..

wasnt it a 6510 in the VIC20. it had added some dedicated i/o pins vs the 6502 or something IIRC.

or maybe that was just the C64.. i had both.

fun times but i got more into the TRS-80 line with CP/M and such after.

olde skool stuff heh. well older, anyway.. used a pdp-11 in school. 12 bit i think. 8 inch floppies. no vacuum tube stuff though. THATS olde skool for sure.

had a timex sinclair 1000 too. with 16k expansion pack and the sparky printer. breath on any of it and instant lockup.

never had the ti-99/4 though. i should buy one just for my collection

my 1st assembly language program was on a trs-80 model one.. it was pretty much this:

                            LOAD A, "E"
LOOP_OF_DEATH:  PUSH AF
                            GOTO LOOP_OF_DEATH

i did it to see how fast i could fill the screen with the letter "E" vs BASIC code (POKE x,y) as with BASIC you could see it fill as the loop executed.  with PUSH i figured the stack would grow till it filled all memory, including the memory mapped video screen. it did. not to mention overwriting itself eventually of course.

with the machine language code the screen was instantly filled and the machine locked up before i could even begin to take my finger off the RETURN key heh. i was impressed. helped me understand just how fast straight machine code was vs interpreted code.

ya know some people just use alarm clocks and coffee to get up you know. works ok.

V8! your avatar! someone stole the Interceptor??

this means WAR with the thief(s). hunt them down and hurt them, we will. no mercy.

ok im embarrassed to admit this but have only sporadically been reading the WO thread (and the forum in general) these last few weeks (reason below). i have just peeked in the thread here and there.

had an illness and then finally death in the family, and been away for the last month dealing with it. hope to wind things up this week.

so these cool hats.. who is doing them? i remember seeing a name here and there but everythings been a blur these last few weeks.

ah so you are the man to talk to for custom hat avatars.

may i order one? i wont be able to upload a good pic for a week or so, i am in the middle of funeral and estate business at the moment.

these are VERY cool.

yup im still in. should be home and have access to my network next week soon as i get business taken care of here. then ill have the original image. is there any particular size or color depth you want?

when traveling i use a stripped to the bone 4 year old laptop with nothing valuable on it in case its lost or stolen.

thanks.

my family is spread over several states and coordinating things has been interesting. but looking around today things are in pretty good shape to conclude the final stuff soon. just a small punch list and good to go.

@xhomerx10

i wonder if we need a few hats with "this user is currently ignored" as the patch.

i would want one for sure.

i think that account is a bot that grabbed one of our favorite trolls posts and reposted it as its own. at least i think rochie made that more or less exact post before.

cant see why he would make an alt account that sounds and posts exactly like his current one. i wouldnt think he would care one way or another.

either way its a "meh."

sounds like a good plan to me.

there is fpga boosted gpu mining on its way also, not just straight up fpga.

i will be doing both.. have a bcu1525 ordered. and a couple cle-215+ coming to (maybe?) revitalize my aging gpu rig.

so fpgas that assist gpus may actually be a way to keep gpus relevant. we will see.

just the sugar high from sampling all that halloween candy.

im sure everything will be back to.. uh, normal?  once the sugar crash happens.

i figured everyone just has a "stfu jjg" macro.

i have one

oh @jjg:

stfu jjg

 

yeah if you have started a trend there will be much unhappiness. you might even have to give your hat up.

i do.

somewhere.

been decompressing the last week or so. ive been juggling a bunch of stuff, mostly out of town, the last 2 months.

feels good to veg man

this.

based on my lab results and imaging and such, i may switch up my life style till things are back to more or less equal abuse of body systems.

kidneys getting hammered too much? switch to something that abuses the liver instead. etc.

why end the race with unused potential in any particular body system.

as an organ donor, well, theres not gonna be much usable stuff left. but still, there may be something so i figure its still worth doing.

walk to the place?? like you go to it??

geez i had mine delivered.

yay! its thursday!

stfu JJG

how can we not follow such an excellent example?

thanks jjg!

"i dont think that means what you think it means"

-some guy

ok wadda you want

NOS??    NOOooooo

supercharger switch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_Special

@xhomerx10
RE: hat

after much discussion with my cat, he has opined that his image cannot be smaller than any other image in the avatar. so having his image reduced to fit on a badge on a hat is out.

he will deign however to wear a genuine WO hat on his head though. will that be possible? a hat with the BTC logo for him to wear?

NICE!  my cat and i are admiring the avatar image now. much purring on his part, much grinning on my part.

thanks!

EDIT thought i changed it.. it shows in one part of my profile, but not in another, and not in this post.

cat is not amused at my forum skilz. i will pay later, its in his eyes. doomed i am

yup shows now for me too. thanks for the heads up.

"cat in the hat" - now that dr seuss thing is stuck in my head. great.. just..  great

right

now that image will be with me all day

i may have to see a therapist

i do. of course i did sell a bunch but still have coins i mined from 2011. cost basis for many was around $2 USD. i think those were 2012 coins. they were in a paper wallet for years, then transferred out to another wallet to claim the bcash_lol. they still sit in that wallet.

i know this because i use many separate wallets to keep coins more or less organized.. some for mining payouts, some for coins i buy from exchanges. and others. including my original btc core wallet created in 2011 and still currently running on my desktop. i still use it on occasion, but its mainly trezors that see the most use now.

click "receive" in the top row of icons. then click "request payment" where all those blank fields are. you can leave them blank, or use the  "label" field if you want to give that addy a name. once you click "request payment" a box will pop up with a qt code and the addy will be under that. just copy/paste it.

i dunno, i prefer lots of 10" drivers in bass cabinets. faster response than 15"s because of the lower mass. gives more punch.

but cabinet design and driver specs makes a difference too, so it depends i guess.

today its thanksgiving in the usa so in the spirit of the holiday  i will forgo the usual "fuck JJG" thing today.

i will, however, do it twice next thursday.

if the price keeps dropping we might have to sell them for food

they also sell other devices (not at 7-11s though) that you aim at the problem, pull a trigger and the problem goes away.

well, aside from cleaning the mess up. minor inconvenience compared to the original problem of course.

when i started mining in 2011 it was easier to acquire btc by gpu mining than buying.

as im a hardware guy who likes to tinker, i never really stopped except for a year or two around 2013-14. that was when asics really took hold. asics were pretty much a suckers game except for 1st batch folks (assuming they werent outright scammed). then around when eth mining with gpus became profitable i got back in. trading eth for btc of course.

something about that soothing white noise from the fans and the tweaking that just gets me.

and now i have squirrel acorn fpga gpu accelerators to (hopefully?) breath new life into my aging gpu rigs. plus an bcu1525 fpga on order that may or may not come anywhere near making roi, but will at least be fun to play with.

for me, mining as a hobby is a lot safer than some of my other much more expensive hobbies. and some of those  hobbies tend to cause death or other undesirable results when you screw up. so there is that advantage.

overbuild them. like 100% overbuilt. i like huge safety margins.

and have a licensed electrician do the power delivery lines.

give that speech today and 90% of the usa population would just give a blank stare and complain that people need more handouts and free stuff.

man im glad i grew up when the usa had people with balls and dealt with reality, not snowflakes that need special rooms to go cry in when something happens they dont like.

lotta people in medical work every other weekend.

perhaps thats sarcasm. but if its not..

remember books? face to face communications? snail mail? playgrounds? community centers? churches (or whatever your flavor of religion, if any, calls places of worship). town halls? town squares?

heck i could do fine with no connectivity as long as the local library and places of learning stayed open.

damn. whatever happened to just dropping some good acid?

yeah ive seen the millennials flip when their internet goes down or phone dies or whatever. not a pretty sight, wouldnt want to be anywhere near them when it happens.

me, im more or less self entertaining. ive never been bored in my life, no matter where i was or what i had (or had not) access to.

kinda scary that that generation will be the caretakers of my generation when i get to the point of needing care.. i can only hope robotics advances to the point where i can rely on a robot rather than a human if it gets to the point i cant take care of myself.

someone wrote (sorry dunno who, science fiction author perhaps?) that we arent in a simulation. main reason being that irrational numbers exist. like pi.. something so universally used in nature that a simulation would waste vast amounts of computing power to model it. so basically, in a simulation, no irrational numbers would exist as it would be a poor design for a simulation to include such things.

use several banks. i use one specifically for crypto, its linked to coinbase and Gemini and its the only account i have thats associated with crypto. thats its only use. when i cash any out i set aside what the estimated taxes will be and put that into a cd at the same bank.

bit rot.

need more error correction systems for this simulation.

satoshi would be a NPC, thats why no one can find him, no longer needed in the simulation.

at these prices? probably just mixed some dirt in to give it color.

you mean you can still afford laundry soap at these btc prices?

damn

thought that was bill cosby that said that.

and @ infofront: CONGRATS!

gotcha. carol burnett was hilarious, cosby too. even if cosby turned out to be a scumbag he was still funny. not like thats bonus points or anything.

negative. sounds like an april fools joke to me. except for the timing of course.

so.. 2023 is the new 1984?

yeah i also think that should do.

replacement battery packs will everywhere, just look at how many places you can get oem compatible batteries for UPSs cell phones etc. unless telsa has some security chip/thing thing going, havent bothered to find out.

since ive blown so many engines, transmissions, and assorted drive train components the simplicity of an electric motor at each wheel appeals to me. and having 100% torque at zero RPM is killer.

jack daniels old no 7 was the go to for me back in the day, guess im just a barbarian.

see if you can get the rights to babylon 5 and get going. im waiting.

needs to be a guy who is hodling while sleeping peacefully.

need to back it, but with what? number of cases of alcohol poisoning? possibly could be onto something here.

gonna put that in my allergy list in my medical record.

can this be used to our advantage as an early warning system? several people in WO post they are getting a rash at the same time, something big is about to happen?

just wanted to confirm what infofront posted about 2011 - 2012.

i started mining late(ish) 2011, at first using an existing ATI HD4850 on my gaming rig (my main distributed computing rigs, nvidias on folding@home, stayed on that), then dropping a couple grand on a rig built for BTC mining specifically. ATI HD6870 and HD5830s where the gotos at that point

it was more or less surreal as back then, for me it was just another experiment in distributed computing with a new kind of money storage theme, and distributed computing was very familiar to me from other projects.

price was ~$10 when i started. went up to ~35. YES! then the loooong decline to ~$2. but i kept mining to support the experiment then, and really did not expect any monetary gains. but guess where a large part of my current stack is from. yup, the $2 per coin mining days.

not that btc cant fail, but accumulation during the cheap coins day sure paid off for me. i intend to keep that strategy.

we cant leave. we are too paralyzed with shock and fear.

buns a mile across with a 1 inch piece of meat?

oh man

forgot what thread i was in.

please God no

well, im both a cat owner since forever (or rather the cats deign to tolerate the wife and i) and a long term hodler.

maybe a poll on it?

my wife knows where the wallet seeds have been distributed (lotta redundancy) and how to reconstruct pass phrases and the extra seed words (the 13th or 25th words). i told her to hand everything over to the family lawyer, pay whatever it costs and she will be set.

nothing is written down all in one place or without some misleading false info but enough hints have been included that only she or i wound be able understand to reconstruct it all. the lawyer is to actually run the wallets and set exchanges etc up. as ive repeatedly asked my wife to walk through the whole process of recovering a wallet, running it and transferring coins to wherever. she keeps putting it off.

and if we both get whacked? well there are others i plan to give them to but they dont know it.

for the testicular smashing thing? all i have is some old bricks in the yard. not good enough?

not sure to be honest but Bob seems to attach great importance to it.

i myself would rather use marshmallows or something if i had to do it. which i dont.

many folks keep btc split up between several wallets. and any particular wallet can have many addys.. change addys and such. so a lot more people than that 150,000 number may have more than 10 btc, just not all in one address or wallet.

paper wallets can have passphrases too. bip38 or bip39, cant remember. i used passphrase protected paper wallets for years till i swept them to sell off the bcash_lol crap.

now i have a trezor 1, trezor T and a ledger plus some paper wallets. spreading stuff out never hurts.

EDIT: Totscha already mentioned it (bip38) here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg48984707#msg48984707

HUMAN: "computer!"
AI: "ready"

HUMAN: "make me a brain wallet"
AI: [instructs nearest robot to perform brainectomy to human, cures brain tissue, makes many nice classic wallets from it]
AI: "ready"

you forgot good drugs. only the finest will do.

why would you bother doing that on a phone. i would think at that point you would have easy access to dedicated equipment.

S-100 for the win!

first five syllables
not one more and not one less
second line seven

the third line is five
so to be a true haiku
these rules must obey

EDIT: man i suck at this lol

pertain does flow better.

@jsraw your english is better than some native speakers ive known.

nice one hairy

man V8 gave me a perfect setup. that i missed. sorry V8 i failed.

tv series: firefly
movie: serenity
EDIT: of course V8 stated this info much better in his post below

see also: Babylon 5

there are two versions of Serenity.. the 4:3 and the widescreen. they are (very) slightly different due to a few scenes in one aspect ratio not being in the other. something to do with the scene not looking correct in both formats.

i dont like it.

trezor t has a sd card slot that might be venerable but you can simply not use it. i wonder if the ledger x has the option to turn bluetooth off and how "off" it would really be. i just cant help but thinking some fundamental flaw will be found in the bluetooth chip as i thought i had read about some bluetooth chips having vulnerabilities before.

ive been a who fan since Patrick Troughtons Second Doctor. the show has had its ups and downs, good acting, bad acting. rubber suit monsters you could see the zippers. everything imaginable. buts its (well usually) always had good writing and characters, and good backstories for the characters and the locations. and a strong doctor to lead.

till now.

this last doctor.. shes the weakest character in the current series, never mind as compared to the past doctors in the past.

the doctor is ALWAYS the smartest person in the room. the most take charge person. the person others look to for information and inspiration.

this one. bleh. weak personality, others get to the solutions before she does. huh?? shes one with her "fam.."  wtf?? the doctor is not about the companions, doctor who is about the doctor.

bleh this new doctors hit a nerve as you might tell. ive not even finished some episodes on this series.

its now a politically correct commercial for the SJW. pardon my puke.

back to the old, REAL doctors for me, thankfully my HTPC has a bunch.

interesting read. i must say i like the "attack them back" bit, but dont know game theory well enough to follow that plan through to see how well it would work in the real world.

or nuts like in the "waterworld" movie.

without serious defensive measure in place im not sure how i would feel living on one.

me? i never merited roach for anything.

i figure if you are your own sovereign nation you need to be able to defend it. lotta nuts in the world.

and such a place would need a lot of redundancy in power generation and flotation.

im not against it (seasteading) but nature tends to be unfair and takes advantage of bad or incomplete designs.

ive had a trezor one for years and bought a trezor t last year. since the t was new ive only put a little on it so far as ive been waiting for the real world, out in the wild test before i really trust it as i do the trezor one. havent heard anything bad yet so its probably fine.

as with any important new tech or update in the crypto world i always wait a bit for others to test it 1st.

i keep an amount of btc on the core wallet on my daily driver pc which is on 24/7. its the same original wallet i created in 2011. never compromised. and its been on the windows os. so about 8 years on a windows computer thats always on and always connected to the net.

just need to not be an idiot when it comes to your computer. no torrent/cracked software etc. just common sense stuff.

but with safer options available theres no reason to keep all your coins in it. i moved most to paper a long time ago, only keep small amounts on it.

EDIT it is of course backed up to the point of absurdity. if all copies get destroyed the world will be in such bad shape it wont make any difference.

btw if your still running it in non deterministic mode (as i do) make sure you backups are always recent as in that mode change addresses are limited.

cool.

while im not sold on the idea at this time i look forward to you sharing your experience with it. real world info from "the common man" so to speak. 

i tried to register but got an error.

EDIT: nevermind tried again and got in.

for me, one aspect of a seastead is the isolation from supplies. living in the boonies i tend to have everything needed to survive for several weeks with absolutely no dependencies on the outside world. well within some practical limits. so i would have backups (sometimes several) of all critical infrastructure, tools and parts to repair most things along with a small machine shop, above average medical supplies, and overkill on monitoring equipment for environment and systems status. like, lots of stuff like that. i live in the boonies, and ive learned that if you dont have it with you, you dont have it period. simple enough thing but when the stores are a dozen miles or more away in rough seas for unknown period of time thats the same thing. so any seastead i design will be pretty big. living quarters would be a small part of it. command and control will be as redundant and as state of the art as i can make it, after all, when you get down to it this is a sea going vessel that my life will depend on. so costly for the specs that i am comfortable with, which are admittedly above specs a typical seasteader may have.

dont get me wrong, the isolation and self sufficiency is a good thing for me, but a lot of planning goes into that. its not just the base platform which worries me, you guys seems to have those problems licked. its the rest of it that i worry about. ive learned to only trust critical infrastructure that either i design and build, or is so well proven i can adapt off the shelf items for my use. i have no intention of getting into some life threaten situation that i could have avoided because i skimped on kit loadout.

under ideal conditions sure. im thinking of worst case. im not really a pessimistic type but when it comes to survival, i plan for pretty bad conditions. and some of those plans have paid off big time. a tornado in town and a freak snowstorm that caused a 7 day multi state wide power failure affecting most of those states population on the east coast and that made many roads impassible for days (even with a pretty serious 4wd with mods), most fuel stations inoperable (no power to run the pumps), pharmacies having problems keeping meds in stock (statewide travel bans on some highways), stores running out of food and lots of the refrigerated stock they did have going bad because no power, plus limited resupply made me glad i had a weeks worth of fuel for my genset thats capable of running most of the house (just the electric stove and electric cloths dryer is excluded) and a transfer switch to do it right and make it wife safe, food for a month with several cooking sources with different fuels, lots of stocked up batteries, extra meds, tools supplies and equipment to fix the genset etc. not all of it was needed but i slept well knowing the wife and i were good. but it sucked big time for many, and especially hard for those with electric powered medical equipment. most of the unprepared just had no fuel, no heat source and no food, pretty big inconveniences. 

and thats on land. storms and their duration are unpredictable. how big is that boat anyway?

a seastead of course will have different failure modes, but there will be failures and they will happen a the worst times, like when you cant get to land with what youve got.
 

depends. youll have to meet our cats standards, which are much higher than ours.

you would also have to be ok with extremely loud music at all times of the day and night, mostly pink floyd, rush, lynyrd skynyrd and other southern rock, and punk. and the music the wife and i play on our instuments; hers played well and mine that sucks. plus random weapons fire at any time.

yeah i get that the usa is backwards in many ways but its power infrastructure is fairly good, if aged.

anyway here is the storm i mentioned. it was kinda cool in many ways (well, not for the unprepared which was like 95% of the population that was affected by it) and was a good test of my disaster planning (ie barely any effect on the wife and i)

i had two telephone poles lying in my side yard. leaking transformer goop. they sent a crew to dig all the contaminated soil out and replace it. i have some really surreal pictures of the damage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Halloween_nor%27easter

other than the fact im an asshole, not really.

where is that? all underground utilities? what kind of workforce do utility companies have? we had line crews from all over the us here to replace poles. there were huge convoys of utility trucks carrying new poles to staging areas.

main issue was the trees coming down taking the utility poles and lines with it. and the  northeast coast ("new england") is packed with trees and they go right to the road everywhere. so when they came down they took the power out and blocked the roads. mile after mile of snapped downed poles. trees with 4 and 6 foot trunks that had to be cut up, at least the part that blocked the roads.. we had absolutely huge snowplows that did anything smaller, some debris was just "hit it at speed" and knock it off the road best they could, and those plow drivers were nuts. size, speed and momentum was the deal of the day. well, many days.

cities fared better obviously as they have hardly any trees. so if you could get to one you could find fuel (if they werent sold out) and food. but even fuel carriers need fuel to move. so a lot of fuel trucks were just sitting around, no fuel. brilliant.

one change from this was a new rule some gas stations in every area need backup power as there was fuel everywhere but no power to pump it. duh that should of been a rule ages ago. i remember when fuel pumps had cranks. not anymore

all in all it was kinda fun to see.

underground utilities are the way to go but thats very slow going here.

yup it is. i own 13 acres, all woods. my firing range has a nice hill for a backstop. outside of that i wont fire unless i absolutely have identified the target and i consider it an immediate threat. although i have fired into the air when the occasional wild dog or such shows too much interest in me or the wife.

all in all its mainly a lot of practice rounds to keep my skills honed.

damn. thats quite the machine gun.

while i like various weapons as a hobby that puppy is out of my league. i must admit no large dangerous animals local to me would stand a chance with that thing. i do get bears and other assorted wilderbeasts wandering through my yard on occasion. not that i mind that and would never shoot one unless it attacked, which isnt likely unless you do something stupid. unless provoked most animals are pretty harmless except the wild dogs we see in the woods. they can be nasty.

ive been told i am just as crazy risking my life for fun now as i was in my youth. so ive been told by multiple people. the only thing that tempers me from doing it as much is i need to stay alive for my wife.

but still the urge is still there, and very strong. the risks are not vs people, ie putting myself in combat zones, riots or whatever. they are "hold muh beer" types of thing, usually involving machinery that can be forced to do things it was not manufactured to do. the brain starts thinking "i can make that" and i really really have to hold back.

but the grin factor and the rush of still being alive afterwards.. oh man

firing into the ground can ricochet or create a spray of spall depending on what it hits. not good when its near you.

when firing into the air, when it comes down its just at normal falling speed as its expended all its energy on the way up. wont hurt anymore than a pebble of equivalent weight falling on you. also the direction i fire in is literally square miles of woods. no houses at all. so i fire maybe 10 degree from vertical in that direction.

yeah once the silk road stack was auctioned by the government that was a big turning point. the government destroys seized evidence it considers illegal ie look at all the drugs destroyed by burning etc. by auctioning it i knew it was legit then.

dunno about you but back in the day when btc was a few bucks i threw it around like popcorn. just testing various wallets on different computers and to and from exchanges just to see how it worked. ive lost some coins by mistakes, some by forgetting about them. it was never a large percentage of course, but the amount ive lost would be worth a good amount today. but that was very early on when it was unknown if it would even survive.

if i had known what it would eventually be valued at i would of course been more careful, as i am now. back then in my wildest dreams i would never even of though it would hit 20k a coin. and i would of just laughed at anyone that said that. back in 2011-2012? pffft. coins were just things to play with.

EDIT: i mined my coins starting in 2011, didnt buy them. might be a reason i didnt value them much as i didnt pay money for them. just a byproduct of my gpus.

air resistance will be the limiting factor. i am unsure of the actual speed, depends on the bullet weight and size. i do know people who have been hit by falling birdshot (myself included, i do a lot of skeet shooting) and its nothing. but those pellets are smaller.

those kalashnikovs fire a heavy bullet. but were they indeed fire straight up? ive seen most fired maybe 30-40 degrees from vertical but thats just what i see on the news. not doubting you but all it takes is a slightly more horizontal trajectory and it will still have a lot of energy when the bullet hits the ground, as it wouldnt of expended its initial energy gaining altitude.

lol yup you can tell hes had extensive weapons training. i wonder what was downrange while he was firing at that 45 degree angle..

interesting info, thanks for the link (i followed a couple more from that one too).

kalashnikovs are the goto weapon for large parts of the world, and they do back a wallop with a heavy bullet. getting hit with a heavy bullet that size would not be pleasant at all.

i mainly carry a handgun in the woods and thats what i would be firing in the air as a warning shot for the wild dogs and such. and even though i know its miles of woods i think i will at least consider trying to fire into a tree from now on. its just habit to never, ever fire a round with no real target as if i miss the tree that bullet can go a long way. and while there should be no one in my woods.. still..

that would have very good odds of seriously hurting it via ricochet/spall, and hurting it is worse than killing it.

i have no wish to harm any animal, much less kill it. if it looks ready to attack, fine, dead dog. but if its pondering the situation ("hmm.. is that thing good to eat?") scaring it off is fine by me. scaring and hurting it via spall so it suffers is not.

as i said, in that direction there is nothing but trees for several miles. literally. nothing. at all. i could say more but it would give too much away. i fly my drone out that way sometimes. a over mile out and its the most uninteresting scenery ever.

anyway in a semi populated area its a consideration. here? ill not worry. especially as warning shots are pretty rare. the odds of one of those very infrequent rounds hitting anyone are about as zero as one can get.

so the takeaway is you have to get up pretty early in the afternoon to put one over on the ol' mic.

man you work too much

i cant say embrace attacks or forks. but. if a coin or money transfer or wealth storage system cant survive such attacks it doesnt deserve the position. there is no such thing as "nice" when building empires.

its not like it takes a rocket scientist to think up attacks like forking. there will be countless more. its even possible one/some will be better. although that may make no difference. look at betamax vs vhs videotape formats.

every fork/attack that fails proves bitcoins superiority. would you trust it like you do now without it having survived all that it has? i know i trust it far more now than i did in 2011.

217 gb on my machine

if wheelchair tech evolves my buds and i will be having rock crawling contests and eighth mile drag races with them. i think we will be able to have fun in our old age. 

robotic personal assistants will do the wrenching and monitoring meds for us, as well as handling the occasional "hold muh beer" moments and get us to a hospital.

love it when i get to open someones eyes to BTC

rearranged some stuff with my new financial guy (basically we fired the old one a few years back) , when i 1st met him and told him about my btc stack and its worth he said i should sell most of it. and to be honest if he DIDNT recommend that i would of fired him on the spot. after all, thats his job; pointing out potential financial mistakes.

but he was fascinated with it. we talk about it every time i see him.

and btw i mentioned to him about having anyone invest ~1% of ones finical worth in btc is a good move if you dont mind possibly losing. as it has a very limited downside (only the actual cost of what one bought) and possibly an insane profit.

we kid about how most all our investments are in the low risk category.. as i tell him the crazy risky stuff (btc) i have covered 

you DO know what thread youre in right?



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to be fair, and assuming its waterproof, the machine learning algorithm might see this as a great learning opportunity about how evolution works.

exactly.

i figure that any devices i design for machine leaning purposes must include extremely high data rate wireless connectivity as i fully expect 99% of them to be destroyed learning various "hold muh beer" scenarios. the last second or so of the data each provides should prove instructive.

yup thats one reason wifi is turned off on my phone when away from home.

glad you put the disclaimer in.

otherwise, if that ever happened i would report your account as being stolen.

age? pffft. as long as we can all manage space flight conditions.

ie 1st, we meet at elon musks roadster for group pics. then off to mars to dust off Opportunitys solar panels. then we set up the 1st interplanetary bar on mars. at that point, we officially begin the party. unsure how much booze we can fit on one of musks big falcons though so we need to figure out how much we consume per supply rocket and figure a launch schedule. we will need several dozen such supply runs..

tickets? rich people dont do "tickets."

we just buy the launch pads and vehicles.

its indicated for prediabetes too. just need more or less consistently high(ish) glucose and A1C values in your labs. which a pretty large chunk of probably Americans have, due to obesity and poor eating habits..

i believe its off label for weight loss also. dunno if typical insurance covers that though.

i dont recall jbreher ever saying to dump btc for bcash_lol, at least here in WO. he has made a choice based on his understanding of the protocols and potential advantages. hes well aware of the potential use cases of each. and hes one of the smarter people here and at least understands both sides.

now, i dumped my bcash_lol except for a small amount im to lazy to do anything with. im a 100% believer btc.

please note im not defending jbreher, he is perfectly capable of defending himself fine. i just think your post comes across as crass, misleading and generally unbecoming of a WO participant.

thats pretty easy actually. obviously you chose the wrong drug.

i think thats the fastest merit for a post i ever received lol. thanks

man sure does beat the red candles i had on my birthday.

anyway happy bday bones!

i put him on ignore for that.

i have sigs disabled forum wide anyway so if someone pulls crap like this ignore is the only option. i hate sigs..

EDIT: seems Gyrsur stopped. unignored now.

i had avatars disabled too as i hated the animated ones. i like static pages, moving stuff is distracting. but now i just have animated gifs set to not play in firefox and leave the avatars on so they display as static images only.. mainly so i dont miss the hats

well if animated hats become a thing i will have to make an exception. naturally WO hats are of prime importance.

its things like this that define who you are. and you have defined yourself as one of the best with this attitude.

respect.

yeah i forgot that cool hat with the moving eyeball.

rats. back to the drawing board.

guess ill set them to play once for now as a stopgap.

sorry the reply timed out the 1st time i hit "post" so i added a bit and posted again only to find the 1st did go through.

messes with my head when that happens.

even thought that fake electrum is supposedly limited in what it does there is no way i would trust that OS again. especially as you mention in the other thread about having keys in plain .txt and excel files stored on it.

i would immediately move all the crypto that has the private keys stored in plain text or excel to new addresses (do it in a clean computer, perhaps from a live ubuntu cd, open office can read excel files i believe) reformat and reinstall everything.

one thing you may want to do is a complete clone of the drive that this happened on before wiping and reinstalling, just for archive purposes in case you want to reference anything on it later. macrium reflect free can do this and you can mount the image as a virtual drive. but i would treat that image very carefully. and of course you need a separate drive big enough to hold the compressed image.

EDIT: i would stronly suggest a hardware wallet. i have ledger nano s, trezor one and trezor t. i like the trezors more. the trezor one has a very long history and i trust it the most.

ooooh pick me! pick me!

oh, wait..

1st thing i do with any antivirus/antimalware i install is uncheck all things like "submit samples" and such. there are usually several places and types of things AV can and wants send by default. that way it minimizes the chance a private key or anything else sensitive will be sent to the AV servers.

mines never laughed at me but he has stated i have big cajones for not selling more than i did during the `17 bull run.

hes actually very interested and we always talk about it when i meetup with him. ive told him 1% has a very limited downside and a potentially stupid high up side and he agrees. but he hasnt recommended it to any clients afaik. which a cant say that i blame him, at this point. he needs to fully understand it 1st of all. and hes pretty old school, which is fine by me. he covers the low risk stuff (per my instructions), as ive always told him i have the high risk bit covered. he certainly agrees on the high risk bit lol. but he is absolutely impressed with my btcs performance.

yeah we have talked about that somewhat. until people can invest indirectly through "official" financial channels it wont be recommended by mainstream financial people as most people wouldnt have the faintest idea of how to buy/secure/sell btc anyway. and, as you mention, buying btc directs cuts him out. so for clients buying btc directly is the same as buying/storing/selling precious metals directly (when i mentioned PMs he though paper PMs). just as he wouldnt suggest what kind of safe/vault, where to buy and were to sell actual PMs, its the same for btc as far as he is concerned. "youre on your own with that" is more or less what he said as hes not knowledgeable enough to comment in those areas.

he especially is intrigued with the fact that if you can memorize or recover 12 words, you have access to all your btc associated with it. i showed him a trezor and told him about it and how the seed worked, and that you didnt even need the trezor, just the 12 words and another hardware wallet (not necessarily a trezor either) or trusted computer/wallet and bam, bobs your uncle.

dudes old school but hes no dummy.

or a spell check button

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5114708.0

lol yup i never plug my phone into charging stations/sockets at airports/hotels and such. bring me own powerbanks for on the go and my wallwarts for hotels.

yup only use ive had for it is when ive bought hardware from a forum member.

even then using escrow is best, unless of course youre buying goods from a respected escrow person to begin with.