All posts made by ElectricMucus in Bitcointalk.org's Wall Observer thread



1. Post 1903851 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: Thunderstriker on April 21, 2013, 04:50:05 PM
UPDATE: This again appears to be another strong DDos attack. We are working hard to overcome it and will update when possible. It's currently 2am in Japan so please forgive us if our Facebook/Twitter updates are not as quick, though the team is certainly not taking any breaks. We're very much looking forward to implementing a much stronger solution very soon and will make an announcement to that effect once it's in place.

https://www.facebook.com/MtGox

Quote
Scott Murphy Stop fucking with our coins
2 · about a minute ago via mobile
Dmitry Morozhnikov A plain lie. It was not look like ddos.
2 · 2 minutes ago

It seems people stop eating the crud.



2. Post 1903902 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 21, 2013, 04:54:58 PM
Never a dull day at MtGox HQ. The DDoSers must be milking every last chance before the big exchanges at CoinLab anf CoinSetter arrive. Once there is more than one big exchange, DDoS of any one will have much less effect.
Can't mention the DDOS scapegoat enough?
They simply pull the plug if a selloff is on the horizon.

Nobody except the suckers who can't get out believes it any more.



3. Post 1904451 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: NamelessOne on April 21, 2013, 05:55:50 PM
Never a dull day at MtGox HQ. The DDoSers must be milking every last chance before the big exchanges at CoinLab anf CoinSetter arrive. Once there is more than one big exchange, DDoS of any one will have much less effect.
Can't mention the DDOS scapegoat enough?
They simply pull the plug if a selloff is on the horizon.

Nobody except the suckers who can't get out believes it any more.
I can't agree that a sell off was on the horizon. There was certainly a downtrend for the last 20 or so hours though, but it was gradual enough.

They might have better tools of predicting that though.
A watchlist for the largest BTC holdings and when they log in?
I don't really like coming up with stuff they can potentially do, but just taking their word for granted isn't either for me.



4. Post 1904585 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: just1nmc on April 21, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
What kind of sell off do you think they are trying to prevent though? There have been quite a few ~BTC5k sell offs in the past few days that recovered fine

Well according to this the ones significantly above 5k. I don't know any exact figures but if you look at the volume of the flash crash from the top there must have been some serious coin involved.



5. Post 1904820 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

On the one hand they claim this is a layer7 attack then they show this prolexic report, which is about layer 3-4. If they have an attack vector for an application layer attack why spend the resources for a expensive network layer attack?
It still smells fishy to me.

If nothing else they are shutting down their service when under attack to prevent "lag"



6. Post 1904850 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: Holliday on April 21, 2013, 06:44:05 PM
On the one hand they claim this is a layer7 attack then they show this prolexic report, which is about layer 3-4.
It still smells fishy to me.

Well, I doubt they are claiming today is April 11th.

Oh, in that case, pretty solid arguing folks!  Cheesy



7. Post 1904971 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: NamelessOne on April 21, 2013, 06:47:55 PM
On the one hand they claim this is a layer7 attack then they show this prolexic report, which is about layer 3-4. If they have an attack vector for an application layer attack why spend the resources for a expensive network layer attack?
It still smells fishy to me.

If nothing else they are shutting down their service when under attack to prevent "lag"
Which is the only responsible thing to do. A ddos attacked market racking up lag isn't a normal market. Thus the only responsible way to fight back is to turn off the market for the time being till the attack passes. At which point allow people to trade normally once again.

If this really is a layer7 attack it might be able to be sustained indefinitely. And what then?



8. Post 1905018 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: Kazu on April 21, 2013, 07:02:40 PM
On the one hand they claim this is a layer7 attack then they show this prolexic report, which is about layer 3-4. If they have an attack vector for an application layer attack why spend the resources for a expensive network layer attack?
It still smells fishy to me.

If nothing else they are shutting down their service when under attack to prevent "lag"
Which is the only responsible thing to do. A ddos attacked market racking up lag isn't a normal market. Thus the only responsible way to fight back is to turn off the market for the time being till the attack passes. At which point allow people to trade normally once again.

If this really is a layer7 attack it might be able to be sustained indefinitely. And what then?

Lol, you people need to stop trolling with Gox going down "indefinitely." This has happened like 20 times before, and its already back up. This is like, completely and utterly boring and normal.

That's why it's called back to normal in the bubble autonomy chart.



9. Post 1905036 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: Kazu on April 21, 2013, 07:04:48 PM
mtgox   0.02   a few seconds ago   ^124.77
Along with 15 minutes of lag. Cutting edge systems!!!1



10. Post 1905663 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: rpietila on April 21, 2013, 08:08:14 PM
I was quoted $200 for such a service. (I did not order it.)

Another obvious instance of made up bullshit from this guy.



11. Post 1905906 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.53h):

Quote from: BitcoinAshley on April 21, 2013, 08:31:21 PM
I was quoted $200 for such a service. (I did not order it.)

Another obvious instance of made up bullshit from this guy.


I don't understand... do you not know how to internet? Ordering a DDoS is as easy as 1,2,3, and we know that they cost money, therefore, it is logical to assume that if one were seeking quotes for DDoS attacks, either out of curiousity or ill intentions, one could find a quote. That is just common sense, Broseph.

Now, a DDoS quoted at $200 might not do much against MtGox/prolexic, so if you are questioning the effectiveness of a service provided for $X quote, then sure. I'm with you. But if you are saying "it is impossible to be quoted X amount for a botnet operator to perform a DDoS attack," I am saying "you are severely misinformed in how the internet works."

If you spent an hour looking on darknet pages you could easily contract a botnet operator to perform such a service. Note that I am not condoning illegal activities in any way, I am just refuting what seems to be a refusal to recognize that the world is an evil place on your part. Yes, a black market exists - not just for drugs and guns but for computer services as well. Common. Sense. Broseph. Grin



Just read his other posts. This is a guy who is trying to establish the use of millibitcoin for the prices, posts about what he had last breakfast in this forum here and likes to pretend to be on wall street.
So no this guy wasn't "quoted" anything.

Really read what this idiot posts its a freaking brainfart.



12. Post 1912729 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: samurai1200 on April 22, 2013, 05:02:32 PM
Doesn't a downward consolidation after a rally indicate a continuing rally?



Only in a bull market.



13. Post 1922358 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: phatsphere on April 23, 2013, 05:24:04 PM
still someone on board who calls this a "bulltrap" ?

Nah it's either a beartrap or "back to normal"

I don't really believe in a beartrap, but I am prepared for one if it happens.



14. Post 1927103 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: oakpacific on April 24, 2013, 02:24:48 AM
There is not enough bid volume (see blockchained.info) to pass 150.

Let's stabilize in the 140s a couple of hours and then we will attack the great wall Wink

Simple, if all the buy orders higher than ....$132 on the bid side can stop sit and shit, and come down to attack the wall, it will be gone.

Actually most of it is coming from under 50. if you take a look at bitcoinity



15. Post 1927768 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: samurai1200 on April 24, 2013, 05:34:16 AM
What happened to this thread supposedly "Hardcore" without silly pictures or text? If it's gonna be like the first one, you might as well do a 51% on the old one and stop this thread fork.

I agree. So here's a chart. I put a line on it.



up, uP, UP



16. Post 1930311 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on April 24, 2013, 01:00:36 PM
Any bets on when we are going to get goxed this time?

4 hours.
In 3 hours European work hours end add an extra hour for people to overcome the shock of recent price action and bingo!



17. Post 1931185 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

You guys talking about paypal and bitcoin are like those who talk about LTC and gox.

Too bad paypal didn't actually make that april fools joke. One day at 9001 might have been fun Wink



18. Post 1942809 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

here come the panic sellers



19. Post 1942857 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: Ploo on April 25, 2013, 05:52:56 PM
here come the panic sellers

Didn't they already sell yesterday?

Most of that was profit taking.



20. Post 1942891 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: Cablez on April 25, 2013, 05:56:41 PM
Wow, just wow, missed the screenshot though, sorry.  Big buy.

Looks like a bitfinex fat finger trade. That was pretty stupid.



21. Post 1943553 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Next real support is 120



22. Post 1960905 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: molecular on April 27, 2013, 06:30:36 PM
Here comes the panic again?  Fun times!  I'm going to buy a crazy amount of coins at $100 if it gets there.

not nearly as violent as the last time we bounced off $0.12. Nowhere near the volume. I doubt we'll even retest $0.12

Please don't tell me you actually jumped on the "Lets use millibitcoin and pretend this is sustainable" bandwagon?



23. Post 1960966 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: Krabby on April 27, 2013, 06:40:08 PM
Here comes the panic again?  Fun times!  I'm going to buy a crazy amount of coins at $100 if it gets there.

not nearly as violent as the last time we bounced off $0.12. Nowhere near the volume. I doubt we'll even retest $0.12

Please don't tell me you actually jumped on the "Lets use millibitcoin and pretend this is sustainable" bandwagon?

I'm going to start doing this.

Ignorance is bliss uh?



24. Post 1969077 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on April 28, 2013, 08:04:34 PM
come to daddy..
Cheesy
That was a quick $5 drop ...

Was that due to the last 5 posts here? Cheesy

rpietila panicked Smiley
Cheesy
Did sound to me a lot like his posting was an attempt to prop up the market with words more than money

Well he's in good company.
But we now know that he bought at least 13 bitcoins.  Cheesy



25. Post 1980217 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.54h):

Quote from: fitty on April 29, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
I just loaded some rocket fuel, we're about to blast off to the moon!

Paul Buchheit: "Bitcoin may be the TCP/IP of money."

Quote from: Wikipedia
Paul Buchheit is an American computer programmer and entrepreneur. He was the creator and lead developer of Gmail.
He developed the original prototype of Google AdSense as part of his work on Gmail.
He also suggested the company's now-famous motto "Don't be evil" in a 2000 meeting on company values.

The main problem I see is that Bitcoin is so dependant on the banking system. The exchanges fall apart without bank accounts, without wires, without ach deposits. Bitcoin works great as a "secondary" or "transaction" currency. Which means you use it when you want the privacy (buying bongs/dildos) or to avoid fees (sending to people in different countries). So you still use USD, you're paid in USD, you just use Bitcoin when the situation warrants it (and the advantages it brings).

When an exchange can be crippled because one american bank account gets closed, that sorta points to the fact this "de-centralized" currency really needs the "centralized" banks to operate. Bitcoin is doing well because Govts/Banks are letting it exist. Sure they can't destroy it, but they sure could make it a lot harder to use. Most sellers wouldn't want BTC if they couldn't convert it to their native currency. But Banks are greedy, they launder money for drug cartels, so I doubt they care about Bitcoin as long as they get a share (which they do, wires are expensive).

Yeah, we "Bears" have been preaching this all along, yet we were pointed at by the "true believers" and accused of "FUD".



26. Post 1990378 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: BitcoinAshley on May 01, 2013, 12:54:37 AM
Wake me up when 33% of the speculation subforum's population does NOT have tunnel vision...

You gonna have to sleep a long time my friend...



27. Post 1990405 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: smoothie on May 01, 2013, 01:00:36 AM
Sorry WALLS MEAN NOTHING.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You are in the wall thread.
get out.



28. Post 2006202 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on May 02, 2013, 04:02:53 PM


pigs getting slaughterd again

We did not need to see that. Please delete it.

weak stomach?



29. Post 2006280 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: humanitee on May 02, 2013, 04:07:05 PM


pigs getting slaughterd again

We did not need to see that. Please delete it.

weak stomach?

Wow man. Fuck you, honestly. I posted a picture of a dead bear with hints of blood and people freaked out. What you posted is outright offensive to a large majority of people and you absolutely had to know it would draw attention.

It's a video (.gif) of a pig getting it's head sawed off. I mean, come on.

Yeah its pretty tasteless, i agree.

Welcome to the Internet BTW



30. Post 2006862 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: humanitee on May 02, 2013, 04:12:48 PM
Yeah its pretty tasteless, i agree.

Welcome to the Internet BTW

Yes, you are a worthless troll.

Alright, alright, I'll delete it. The point was made, there are plenty of disgusting pics on the web it's only when you use them for purposes of rhetoric when it gets low.



31. Post 2007103 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: rpietila on May 02, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
Sell to me at $100 OTC or stfu.


You get a special price of $400,000. Everybody else can deal at market. That's how it'd look if this were a personal business.



32. Post 2008675 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: Richy_T on May 02, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Obviously, it's a work in progress. Thoughts?

Nice did you code it yourself?
You might want to use polygons to make it look "solid" another thought would be to color code the age of the orders.



33. Post 2009279 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: Jaroslaw on May 02, 2013, 08:58:53 PM
I still don't understand what is the problem:

- 48 hours ago I felt that bitcoin is a buy @140
- It crashed through the 1st fibonacci support of 121
- I no longer felt that it is a buy since I knew it'll go to 95 (the 2nd fib. support)
- about 22 hours ago, I spent 2 hours telling you this
- Nobody believed me, (and also did not sell me any coinz so I went to sleep)
- It did go to $95, and apart from the following 24 hours, it will never see $95 again for sure (and I can sell puts but you don't have any money to buy)
- I managed to buy BTC200 at $103 even during my dinner
- Now I am happy, bitcoin will cross ATH this month and I make money
- I am going to sleep, how about you trolls?

You will loose rest of your hair this night. You will see a much lower numbers than 95$

Well if all fails he can always be come a salesman for anti-hairloss products. I always suspected vacuum cleaners are his secret destiny but that would make sense too. Smiley



34. Post 2013073 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: rpietila on May 03, 2013, 03:51:48 AM
Seleme is and will continue to stand in front of your ultrasupernode bullshit as seleme doesn't give a flying one about your ounces, coins etc. (I've told you numerous times where you can put your status symbols) and would rather be on bread and water till his last breath than live on the 30 millions yacht being snob like you are.

Seleme is and will continue to warn people that your predictions and your self-loving ramblings will heavily hurt them financially as you've said so much utter crap here that I'm not sure how the server site is hosted at doesn't explode or something.

As far as Seleme is concerned you are absolutely free to believe whatever you want and to do your business on whatever way you like, that's not my business. But when you advocate that crap publicly here, specially when you do that on the way that causes allergic reactions in Seleme's body, than Seleme will speak.

Ah ok. Do you own any coins?

Do you? Send me BTC13 to prove it kthx

PS: Are you drunk atm?



35. Post 2013097 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 03, 2013, 03:56:19 AM
Seleme is and will continue to stand in front of your ultrasupernode bullshit as seleme doesn't give a flying one about your ounces, coins etc. (I've told you numerous times where you can put your status symbols) and would rather be on bread and water till his last breath than live on the 30 millions yacht being snob like you are.

Seleme is and will continue to warn people that your predictions and your self-loving ramblings will heavily hurt them financially as you've said so much utter crap here that I'm not sure how the server site is hosted at doesn't explode or something.

As far as Seleme is concerned you are absolutely free to believe whatever you want and to do your business on whatever way you like, that's not my business. But when you advocate that crap publicly here, specially when you do that on the way that causes allergic reactions in Seleme's body, than Seleme will speak.

Ah ok. Do you own any coins?

Do you? Send me BTC13 to prove it kthx

PS: Are you drunk atm?

good idea!
Grin
I hereby propose a new trading indicator called RPBA:

The so called rpietila blood alcohol level. Working on interpretation strategies.



36. Post 2013130 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

Quote from: rpietila on May 03, 2013, 04:00:07 AM
Stop derailing the thread. This is the wall movement tracker, not your personal pet project propaganda thread. Substantiate your claims or shut up.

Adam, am I welcome in your thread or not? This young man is voicing his opinion on the matter, but I have a hard time recognising him, I don't think we have met...  Roll Eyes

Yeah Adam, shall we continue to compare our e-penises in your thread?



37. Post 2018281 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.55h):

It seems the buywall at 90 gonna get tested.



38. Post 2026109 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.56h):

Quote from: seleme on May 04, 2013, 03:01:10 PM
The battle of the walls, see who'll keep more nerves in our next episode or download special report for 14BTC only from our website  Grin

Yeah what is that extra coin for?  Cheesy

13BTC



39. Post 2028570 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.56h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on May 04, 2013, 07:20:33 PM
Warren Buffett comments on Berkshire Hathaway / Bitcoin:

https://twitter.com/beckyquickcnbc/statuses/330708125671895041

I can't imagine anything better than the debit card system. If I can't imagine it, then not one else can either, so it most certainly cannot ever happen.

Who cares? Buffet doesn't invest in things he cannot understand.

Funny considering the popularity of the Fear&Greed quote here. Do I sense a slight bit of hypocrisy here?



40. Post 2028833 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.56h):

Quote from: SAQ on May 04, 2013, 07:49:15 PM
Warren Buffett comments on Berkshire Hathaway / Bitcoin:

https://twitter.com/beckyquickcnbc/statuses/330708125671895041

Yup, this 85 year old man has heard about bitcoins. That suggests that we are reaching mainstream time.

1000 by December? This by the way would mean that bitcoins has a market cap of only 11 billion. Isn't that no more than the yearly profits of one major bank?

No it suggests that we have reached market saturation. We're out of suckers.



41. Post 2029539 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.56h):

Quote from: seleme on May 04, 2013, 09:10:33 PM
I'm fairly sure that there's far more bids today by people who loved China news story than by Chinese themselves  Grin

Bitcoiners don't need much incentive to stat buying or selling, just give them a news, fake one will do too and gox is banking on fees  Tongue

bingo



42. Post 2047963 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.56h):

Quote from: underground_ on May 06, 2013, 02:26:37 PM
HAHA someone is desperately buying trying to prevent this from looking like the top.

Price drops to 117, and he clears out the asks to 124, hmmm....

I really whoever is doing this. Seems like an overconfident rich kid Wink

Another reason never to place market orders without a corresponding limit order.



43. Post 2061240 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.57h):

Nice bear pennant!



44. Post 2061590 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.57h):

Quote from: blackreplica on May 07, 2013, 04:04:36 PM
Bid wall at $105ish was as fake as the ask wall sitting at $108

LOL

what bid wall? or did it get pulled already Grin

long gone



45. Post 2061620 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.57h):

Quote from: Jaques on May 07, 2013, 04:06:43 PM

Thank you for all the coins. Rpietila has bought 2,500,000mBTC, left the trading desk, and will join the guests in his conference.

Speaking of oneself in the third person is a bad sign indeed, my friend Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Oh, forgot to add:
- I will always quote in minicoins (mBTC) from now on
- I don't think we see $0.1 ever again
- I can still write puts for $0.1, PM me
- If you want to know, how much I made and how, it will be a workshop case study in my conference

You are wedding limo driver and dont have any money so stop trolling.

nah, would need driving license for that

just joking ... he is what he appears to be, get over it  Wink

That is funny enough.



46. Post 2061691 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.57h):

Quote from: Quantum_Negatum on May 07, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
This is like watching BattleBots.

What do you think is the ratio of bot to human trades?

1.618x human capital for every bot



47. Post 2064672 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.57h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 07, 2013, 09:16:31 PM
my wife just bought into a pyramid scheme shes going to make $$$

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

anyone need cleaning products?

Amway participants are all perfect future bitcoin investors imo.



48. Post 2091387 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.57h):

Quote from: DougTanner on May 09, 2013, 08:54:43 PM
1000 BTC sold . Price didn't move much.

I think there is plenty much where that came from.



49. Post 2103884 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.58h):

Quote from: Odalv on May 10, 2013, 10:27:18 PM
Cyprus thing is a joke. That was just speculative mania. I will ask you something: have you invested significant money in Bitcoin? If the answer is yes, how long did it take from the first moment you heard about it?

Again: entering into Bitcoin is a lengthy process - first you have to understand, not only what is Bitcoin but also how to keep your bitcoins safe. Then you have to find out how to buy them, and then you slowly start pouring money, just a little a the beginning.

That's everybody's process. When it will come the day that the average citizen will have the understanding and the means to quickly throw a lot of fiat into Bitcoin after the kind of news we had in March, then.... Well, you cannot imagine the kind of huge motherfucking bubbles we are going to see.

I have to agree with this 100%.

It took me 1 week to put $17 cash into an envelope and mail it to canada to buy my first coins. 2 more weeks to have a miner setup and initiated a bank transfer to gox. I consider that pretty fast and that was only possible because I had all kinds of prerequisites already in place (understanding of crypto, understanding of double spend problem, understanding of p2p network). I had to talk to noone to confirm this thing was legit and most likely functional. There was no misleading press or ponzi accusations all over the net either, which should slow the process even more in this day and age.

Average nowadays is probably more like 6 weeks from first exposure to first substantial buy.

We're thinking too short-term. There's all kinds of buffers (delays) and feedback loops in this system that need time to play out.
Seconded.  If you're a goldbug libertarian with technical background and high risk tolerance, it's possible you might "get it" and buy relatively quickly, within a few weeks.  But that would be very unusual.  My experience with anyone lacking that magical quatrifecta, is that it takes months of investigating and being prodded before any action.  There are people I've been talking to about Bitcoin for almost two years, are positive about it, but still haven't pulled the trigger.

It took me more than a year of constant (weekly) highly intelligent exposure to bitcoin, before I bought any. It took an additional year and more, before I allocated a significant % of my holdings to it. I even knew of Bitcoin before Mt.Gox opened, and that was purely theoretical and did not interest me.

So expect a large percent of the ones who heard in early 2013, to buy in with significant money in 2015-2016. Unless they are slower to understand than I was, in which case it takes even longer.

I'm a little different. I first heard about bitcoin 15.11.2012.  ... 22.11.2012 I was bitcoin perma bull. :-)

Don't worry disillusion comes to you as well eventually.
FYI: I was a ultra-bull at the start too.



50. Post 2136281 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.58h):

Quote from: rpietila on May 13, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
You can't speculatively (profitably) long bitcoins, you can only short. So it's probably some supernode trying their capabilities (American likely), but I will be impressed only after breaching $.11. If I can do $.119->$.09752 in 3 days, surely others can do even better!  Grin
Just check this shit. What I find amazing is that there is people that take this guy half seriously

Um, as for these 450 Mt.Gox trades for the total of 4,496,297mBTC transferred, I even have the complete record, and willing to post it publicly if sb cares to analyze it..

EDIT: Here you are Smiley
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Index   Date   Type   Info                  USD   BTC      CUM_USD   CUM_BTC   TIME ELAPSED_H   TIME/15MIN
0   5.5.2013 6:30                                 0   0      
1   5.5.2013 6:32   out   BTC   -1   4,57073688   at   117,06      535,06   -4,57073688      535,06   -4,57073688   0:02:27   1
2   5.5.2013 6:32   out   BTC   -1   3,96603401   at   117,06      464,27   -3,96603401      999,33   -8,53677089   0:02:27   1
3   5.5.2013 6:33   out   BTC   -1   20,45271985   at   117,00      2 392,97   -20,45271985      3 392,30   -28,98949074   0:03:28   1
4   5.5.2013 6:34   out   BTC   -1   1,18386753   at   117,00      138,51   -1,18386753      3 530,81   -30,17335827   0:04:48   1
5   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   20,00000000   at   117,00      2 340,00   -20,00000000      5 870,81   -50,17335827   0:07:13   1
6   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   2,92523456   at   116,40      340,50   -2,92523456      6 211,31   -53,09859283   0:07:18   1
7   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   50,00000000   at   116,40      5 820,00   -50,00000000      12 031,31   -103,09859283   0:07:18   1
8   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   4,81568388   at   116,35      560,30   -4,81568388      12 591,62   -107,91427671   0:07:19   1
9   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,01470000   at   116,30      1,71   -0,01470000      12 593,32   -107,92897671   0:07:19   1
10   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,02438900   at   116,27      2,84   -0,02438900      12 596,16   -107,95336571   0:07:19   1
11   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   116,26      1,16   -0,01000000      12 597,32   -107,96336571   0:07:20   1
12   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,02314910   at   116,25      2,69   -0,02314910      12 600,01   -107,98651481   0:07:20   1
13   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,01424162   at   116,25      1,66   -0,01424162      12 601,67   -108,00075643   0:07:20   1
14   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   5,00000000   at   116,21      581,06   -5,00000000      13 182,72   -113,00075643   0:07:20   1
15   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,02000000   at   116,21      2,32   -0,02000000      13 185,05   -113,02075643   0:07:20   1
16   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   2,97410000   at   116,20      345,59   -2,97410000      13 530,64   -115,99485643   0:07:20   1
17   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,01600320   at   116,20      1,86   -0,01600320      13 532,50   -116,01085963   0:07:20   1
18   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,21760000   at   116,20      25,29   -0,21760000      13 557,78   -116,22845963   0:07:20   1
19   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,02523000   at   116,20      2,93   -0,02523000      13 560,72   -116,25368963   0:07:20   1
20   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,01430900   at   116,20      1,66   -0,01430900      13 562,38   -116,26799863   0:07:20   1
21   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   116,20      1,16   -0,01000000      13 563,54   -116,27799863   0:07:20   1
22   5.5.2013 6:37   out   BTC   -1   33,89535964   at   116,20      3 938,64   -33,89535964      17 502,18   -150,17335827   0:07:20   1
23   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   116,21      116,21   -1,00000000      17 618,39   -151,17335827   0:08:31   1
24   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   2,92820000   at   116,20      340,26   -2,92820000      17 958,65   -154,10155827   0:08:31   1
25   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   162,10964245   at   116,20      18 837,14   -162,10964245      36 795,79   -316,21120072   0:08:31   1
26   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   1,32572000   at   116,10      153,92   -1,32572000      36 949,71   -317,53692072   0:08:31   1
27   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   32,63643755   at   116,00      3 785,89   -32,63643755      40 735,60   -350,17335827   0:08:31   1
28   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   0,73729821   at   116,00      85,53   -0,73729821      40 821,13   -350,91065648   0:08:53   1
29   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   4,00000000   at   116,00      464,00   -4,00000000      41 285,13   -354,91065648   0:08:53   1
30   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   116,00      116,00   -1,00000000      41 401,13   -355,91065648   0:08:53   1
31   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   1,69384853   at   116,00      196,49   -1,69384853      41 597,62   -357,60450501   0:08:53   1
32   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   0,97650870   at   116,00      113,28   -0,97650870      41 710,89   -358,58101371   0:08:53   1
33   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   8,00000000   at   116,00      928,00   -8,00000000      42 638,89   -366,58101371   0:08:54   1
34   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   10,00000000   at   116,00      1 160,00   -10,00000000      43 798,89   -376,58101371   0:08:54   1
35   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   0,01720000   at   116,00      2,00   -0,01720000      43 800,89   -376,59821371   0:08:54   1
36   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   50,00000000   at   116,00      5 800,00   -50,00000000      49 600,89   -426,59821371   0:08:54   1
37   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   8,22410000   at   116,00      954,00   -8,22410000      50 554,88   -434,82231371   0:08:54   1
38   5.5.2013 6:38   out   BTC   -1   0,01395590   at   116,00      1,62   -0,01395590      50 556,50   -434,83626961   0:08:58   1
39   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01309900   at   116,00      1,52   -0,01309900      50 558,02   -434,84936861   0:09:00   1
40   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01307500   at   116,00      1,52   -0,01307500      50 559,54   -434,86244361   0:09:01   1
41   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,08542714   at   116,00      9,91   -0,08542714      50 569,45   -434,94787075   0:09:01   1
42   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,48321134   at   116,00      56,05   -0,48321134      50 625,50   -435,43108209   0:09:26   1
43   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,10160900   at   116,00      11,79   -0,10160900      50 637,29   -435,53269109   0:09:29   1
44   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01712000   at   116,00      1,99   -0,01712000      50 639,27   -435,54981109   0:09:47   1
45   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,10160900   at   116,00      11,79   -0,10160900      50 651,06   -435,65142009   0:09:48   1
46   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01791500   at   116,00      2,08   -0,01791500      50 653,14   -435,66933509   0:09:50   1
47   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,02000000   at   116,00      2,32   -0,02000000      50 655,46   -435,68933509   0:09:52   1
48   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,02000000   at   116,00      2,32   -0,02000000      50 657,78   -435,70933509   0:09:54   1
49   5.5.2013 6:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01840000   at   116,00      2,13   -0,01840000      50 659,91   -435,72773509   0:09:56   1
50   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   27,95584096   at   115,85      3 238,68   -27,95584096      53 898,60   -463,68357605   0:10:50   1
51   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   3,16900000   at   115,81      367,01   -3,16900000      54 265,60   -466,85257605   0:10:50   1
52   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   0,00002089   at   115,81      0,00   -0,00002089      54 265,60   -466,85259694   0:10:50   1
53   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   0,12357230   at   115,68      14,30   -0,12357230      54 279,90   -466,97616924   0:10:50   1
54   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   5,46816813   at   115,62      632,21   -5,46816813      54 912,11   -472,44433737   0:10:50   1
55   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   4,10516746   at   115,62      474,62   -4,10516746      55 386,73   -476,54950483   0:10:51   1
56   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   9,05568536   at   115,62      1 046,99   -9,05568536      56 433,72   -485,60519019   0:10:51   1
57   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   0,03939077   at   115,62      4,55   -0,03939077      56 438,27   -485,64458096   0:10:51   1
58   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   0,03059512   at   115,57      3,54   -0,03059512      56 441,81   -485,67517608   0:10:51   1
59   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   1,32572000   at   115,53      153,16   -1,32572000      56 594,96   -487,00089608   0:10:51   1
60   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   18,67770000   at   115,50      2 157,27   -18,67770000      58 752,24   -505,67859608   0:10:51   1
61   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   5,00000000   at   115,50      577,50   -5,00000000      59 329,74   -510,67859608   0:10:51   1
62   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   115,50      115,50   -1,00000000      59 445,24   -511,67859608   0:10:52   1
63   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   115,50      231,00   -2,00000000      59 676,24   -513,67859608   0:10:52   1
64   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   26,91230000   at   115,50      3 108,37   -26,91230000      62 784,61   -540,59089608   0:10:52   1
65   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   0,10000000   at   115,50      11,55   -0,10000000      62 796,16   -540,69089608   0:10:52   1
66   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   3,00000000   at   115,50      346,50   -3,00000000      63 142,66   -543,69089608   0:10:52   1
67   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   36,00000000   at   115,43      4 155,55   -36,00000000      67 298,21   -579,69089608   0:10:52   1
68   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   0,05638549   at   115,42      6,51   -0,05638549      67 304,72   -579,74728157   0:10:52   1
69   5.5.2013 6:40   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   115,40      230,80   -2,00000000      67 535,52   -581,74728157   0:10:58   1
70   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,07524875   at   115,40      8,68   -0,07524875      67 544,20   -581,82253032   0:11:13   1
71   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   115,40      230,80   -2,00000000      67 775,00   -583,82253032   0:11:16   1
72   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,10160900   at   115,40      11,73   -0,10160900      67 786,73   -583,92413932   0:11:17   1
73   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,27123050   at   115,40      31,30   -0,27123050      67 818,03   -584,19536982   0:11:18   1
74   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   4,00000000   at   115,40      461,60   -4,00000000      68 279,63   -588,19536982   0:11:19   1
75   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,27618763   at   115,40      31,87   -0,27618763      68 311,50   -588,47155745   0:11:24   1
76   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   1,01507538   at   115,40      117,14   -1,01507538      68 428,64   -589,48663283   0:11:26   1
77   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 429,79   -589,49663283   0:11:29   1
78   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 430,95   -589,50663283   0:11:29   1
79   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 432,10   -589,51663283   0:11:31   1
80   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 433,26   -589,52663283   0:11:32   1
81   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 434,41   -589,53663283   0:11:32   1
82   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 435,56   -589,54663283   0:11:32   1
83   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 436,72   -589,55663283   0:11:34   1
84   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      68 437,87   -589,56663283   0:11:34   1
85   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   10,00000000   at   115,40      1 154,00   -10,00000000      69 591,87   -599,56663283   0:11:35   1
86   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      69 593,03   -599,57663283   0:11:37   1
87   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      69 594,18   -599,58663283   0:11:38   1
88   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      69 595,33   -599,59663283   0:11:38   1
89   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      69 596,49   -599,60663283   0:11:39   1
90   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      69 597,64   -599,61663283   0:11:41   1
91   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   115,40      115,40   -1,00000000      69 713,04   -600,61663283   0:11:41   1
92   5.5.2013 6:41   out   BTC   -1   4,25372617   at   115,40      490,88   -4,25372617      70 203,92   -604,87035900   0:11:47   1
93   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 205,08   -604,88035900   0:12:05   1
94   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 206,23   -604,89035900   0:12:05   1
95   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 207,38   -604,90035900   0:12:05   1
96   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 208,54   -604,91035900   0:12:06   1
97   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 209,69   -604,92035900   0:12:06   1
98   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 210,85   -604,93035900   0:12:06   1
99   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 212,00   -604,94035900   0:12:07   1
100   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 213,15   -604,95035900   0:12:07   1
101   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 214,31   -604,96035900   0:12:08   1
102   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 215,46   -604,97035900   0:12:09   1
103   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      70 216,62   -604,98035900   0:12:09   1
104   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   20,21085572   at   115,40      2 332,33   -20,21085572      72 548,95   -625,19121472   0:12:10   1
105   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      72 550,10   -625,20121472   0:12:12   1
106   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,55808009   at   115,22      64,30   -0,55808009      72 614,41   -625,75929481   0:12:13   1
107   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01073964   at   115,15      1,24   -0,01073964      72 615,64   -625,77003445   0:12:13   1
108   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   8,00000000   at   115,13      921,04   -8,00000000      73 536,68   -633,77003445   0:12:13   1
109   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,18000000   at   115,13      20,72   -0,18000000      73 557,41   -633,95003445   0:12:14   1
110   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,50000000   at   115,13      57,56   -0,50000000      73 614,97   -634,45003445   0:12:14   1
111   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   20,00000000   at   115,12      2 302,40   -20,00000000      75 917,37   -654,45003445   0:12:14   1
112   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,50000000   at   115,10      57,55   -0,50000000      75 974,92   -654,95003445   0:12:14   1
113   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,00235482   at   115,10      0,27   -0,00235482      75 975,19   -654,95238927   0:12:14   1
114   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,39700000   at   115,10      45,69   -0,39700000      76 020,88   -655,34938927   0:12:14   1
115   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   18,00000000   at   115,08      2 071,48   -18,00000000      78 092,36   -673,34938927   0:12:14   1
116   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,24840000   at   115,08      28,59   -0,24840000      78 120,94   -673,59778927   0:12:14   1
117   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,03060429   at   115,07      3,52   -0,03060429      78 124,47   -673,62839356   0:12:14   1
118   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   26,57282116   at   115,07      3 057,73   -26,57282116      81 182,20   -700,20121472   0:12:14   1
119   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      81 183,36   -700,21121472   0:12:16   1
120   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      81 184,51   -700,22121472   0:12:17   1
121   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      81 185,66   -700,23121472   0:12:17   1
122   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      81 186,82   -700,24121472   0:12:19   1
123   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,10160900   at   115,40      11,73   -0,10160900      81 198,54   -700,34282372   0:12:20   1
124   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   115,40      230,80   -2,00000000      81 429,34   -702,34282372   0:12:44   1
125   5.5.2013 6:42   out   BTC   -1   0,38750000   at   115,40      44,72   -0,38750000      81 474,06   -702,73032372   0:12:51   1
126   5.5.2013 6:43   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   115,40      230,80   -2,00000000      81 704,86   -704,73032372   0:13:13   1
127   5.5.2013 6:43   out   BTC   -1   0,36999999   at   115,40      42,70   -0,36999999      81 747,56   -705,10032371   0:13:20   1
128   5.5.2013 6:43   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      81 748,71   -705,11032371   0:13:28   1
129   5.5.2013 6:43   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      81 749,87   -705,12032371   0:13:28   1
130   5.5.2013 6:43   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   115,40      1,15   -0,01000000      81 751,02   -705,13032371   0:13:28   1
131   5.5.2013 6:44   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   115,40      230,80   -2,00000000      81 981,82   -707,13032371   0:14:21   1
132   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   2,95609314   at   112,49      332,53   -2,95609314      82 314,35   -710,08641685   0:21:58   2
133   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   24,13079124   at   112,21      2 707,74   -24,13079124      85 022,09   -734,21720809   0:21:58   2
134   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,01205400   at   112,21      1,35   -0,01205400      85 023,44   -734,22926209   0:21:58   2
135   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,01406800   at   112,21      1,58   -0,01406800      85 025,02   -734,24333009   0:21:58   2
136   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   10,02623826   at   112,20      1 124,94   -10,02623826      86 149,97   -744,26956835   0:21:58   2
137   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,01200000   at   112,20      1,35   -0,01200000      86 151,31   -744,28156835   0:21:59   2
138   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,01340000   at   112,20      1,50   -0,01340000      86 152,82   -744,29496835   0:21:59   2
139   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,01390000   at   112,20      1,56   -0,01390000      86 154,38   -744,30886835   0:21:59   2
140   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,01343558   at   112,20      1,51   -0,01343558      86 155,88   -744,32230393   0:21:59   2
141   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,25163000   at   112,14      28,22   -0,25163000      86 184,10   -744,57393393   0:21:59   2
142   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   3,66132598   at   112,11      410,49   -3,66132598      86 594,59   -748,23525991   0:21:59   2
143   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   8,33000000   at   112,11      933,88   -8,33000000      87 528,46   -756,56525991   0:21:59   2
144   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   0,03015000   at   112,11      3,38   -0,03015000      87 531,84   -756,59540991   0:21:59   2
145   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   3,57209402   at   112,10      400,44   -3,57209402      87 932,28   -760,16750393   0:21:59   2
146   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   3,62934875   at   112,10      406,85   -3,62934875      88 339,13   -763,79685268   0:21:59   2
147   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   3,07250753   at   112,10      344,43   -3,07250753      88 683,57   -766,86936021   0:21:59   2
148   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   2,50000000   at   112,10      280,25   -2,50000000      88 963,82   -769,36936021   0:21:59   2
149   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   112,10      112,10   -1,00000000      89 075,92   -770,36936021   0:21:59   2
150   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   3,00000000   at   112,00      336,01   -3,00000000      89 411,92   -773,36936021   0:21:59   2
151   5.5.2013 6:51   out   BTC   -1   33,76096350   at   112,00      3 781,23   -33,76096350      93 193,15   -807,13032371   0:21:59   2
152   5.5.2013 7:02   in   BTC   1   1,61517071   at   114,10      -184,29   1,61517071      93 008,87   -805,51515300   0:32:14   3
153   5.5.2013 7:02   in   BTC   1   2,63051106   at   114,33      -300,74   2,63051106      92 708,13   -802,88464194   0:32:14   3
154   5.5.2013 7:02   in   BTC   1   33,00000000   at   114,44      -3 776,52   33,00000000      88 931,61   -769,88464194   0:32:14   3
155   5.5.2013 7:02   in   BTC   1   2,63051106   at   114,56      -301,34   2,63051106      88 630,27   -767,25413088   0:32:14   3
156   5.5.2013 7:02   in   BTC   1   2,63051106   at   114,79      -301,94   2,63051106      88 328,33   -764,62361982   0:32:14   3
157   5.5.2013 7:02   in   BTC   1   5,97120000   at   114,95      -686,41   5,97120000      87 641,92   -758,65241982   0:32:14   3
158   5.5.2013 7:02   in   BTC   1   1,52209611   at   114,99      -175,03   1,52209611      87 466,89   -757,13032371   0:32:14   3
159   5.5.2013 7:08   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   112,60      225,20   -2,00000000      87 692,09   -759,13032371   0:38:10   3
160   5.5.2013 7:08   out   BTC   -1   0,50000000   at   112,59      56,30   -0,50000000      87 748,39   -759,63032371   0:38:10   3
161   5.5.2013 7:08   out   BTC   -1   1,01100001   at   112,58      113,82   -1,01100001      87 862,20   -760,64132372   0:38:10   3
162   5.5.2013 7:08   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   112,50      225,00   -2,00000000      88 087,20   -762,64132372   0:38:10   3
163   5.5.2013 7:08   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   112,50      225,00   -2,00000000      88 312,20   -764,64132372   0:38:10   3
164   5.5.2013 7:08   out   BTC   -1   22,48899999   at   112,50      2 530,01   -22,48899999      90 842,22   -787,13032371   0:38:11   3
165   5.5.2013 7:11   out   BTC   -1   0,10155800   at   113,00      11,48   -0,10155800      90 853,69   -787,23188171   0:41:12   3
166   5.5.2013 7:11   out   BTC   -1   0,20550868   at   113,00      23,22   -0,20550868      90 876,92   -787,43739039   0:41:34   3
167   5.5.2013 7:11   out   BTC   -1   0,10155800   at   113,00      11,48   -0,10155800      90 888,39   -787,53894839   0:41:42   3
168   5.5.2013 7:11   out   BTC   -1   0,99824000   at   113,00      112,80   -0,99824000      91 001,19   -788,53718839   0:41:50   3
169   5.5.2013 7:12   out   BTC   -1   0,15989743   at   113,00      18,07   -0,15989743      91 019,26   -788,69708582   0:42:03   3
170   5.5.2013 7:12   out   BTC   -1   0,10155800   at   113,00      11,48   -0,10155800      91 030,74   -788,79864382   0:42:07   3
171   5.5.2013 7:12   out   BTC   -1   0,08676290   at   113,00      9,80   -0,08676290      91 040,54   -788,88540672   0:42:42   3
172   5.5.2013 7:12   out   BTC   -1   0,01050000   at   113,00      1,19   -0,01050000      91 041,73   -788,89590672   0:42:43   3
173   5.5.2013 7:12   out   BTC   -1   84,31823311   at   112,10      9 452,07   -84,31823311      100 493,80   -873,21413983   0:42:43   3
174   5.5.2013 7:12   out   BTC   -1   15,68176689   at   112,05      1 757,14   -15,68176689      102 250,94   -888,89590672   0:42:43   3
175   5.5.2013 7:16   out   BTC   -1   165,73662113   at   111,50      18 479,63   -165,73662113      120 730,58   -1 054,63252785   0:46:37   4
176   5.5.2013 7:16   out   BTC   -1   0,17940000   at   111,50      20,00   -0,17940000      120 750,58   -1 054,81192785   0:46:38   4
177   5.5.2013 7:16   out   BTC   -1   4,40000000   at   111,50      490,60   -4,40000000      121 241,18   -1 059,21192785   0:46:38   4
178   5.5.2013 7:16   out   BTC   -1   0,25000000   at   111,50      27,88   -0,25000000      121 269,05   -1 059,46192785   0:46:38   4
179   5.5.2013 7:16   out   BTC   -1   1,70610868   at   111,50      190,23   -1,70610868      121 459,29   -1 061,16803653   0:46:51   4
180   5.5.2013 7:16   out   BTC   -1   0,91355571   at   111,50      101,86   -0,91355571      121 561,15   -1 062,08159224   0:46:54   4
181   5.5.2013 7:16   out   BTC   -1   10,00000000   at   111,50      1 115,00   -10,00000000      122 676,15   -1 072,08159224   0:46:55   4
182   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   8,00000000   at   111,50      892,00   -8,00000000      123 568,15   -1 080,08159224   0:47:02   4
183   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   8,81431448   at   111,50      982,80   -8,81431448      124 550,94   -1 088,89590672   0:47:12   4
184   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,54080000   at   111,51      60,30   -0,54080000      124 611,25   -1 089,43670672   0:47:48   4
185   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,04709667   at   111,50      5,25   -0,04709667      124 616,50   -1 089,48380339   0:47:48   4
186   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   111,50      1,12   -0,01000000      124 617,61   -1 089,49380339   0:47:48   4
187   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,40232372   at   111,49      44,86   -0,40232372      124 662,47   -1 089,89612711   0:47:48   4
188   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,17940631   at   111,48      20,00   -0,17940631      124 682,47   -1 090,07553342   0:47:49   4
189   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,02268400   at   111,46      2,53   -0,02268400      124 685,00   -1 090,09821742   0:47:49   4
190   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,50000000   at   111,46      55,73   -0,50000000      124 740,73   -1 090,59821742   0:47:49   4
191   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,18000000   at   111,45      20,06   -0,18000000      124 760,79   -1 090,77821742   0:47:49   4
192   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   20,00000000   at   111,44      2 228,80   -20,00000000      126 989,59   -1 110,77821742   0:47:49   4
193   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   2,00000000   at   111,43      222,86   -2,00000000      127 212,45   -1 112,77821742   0:47:49   4
194   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,20000000   at   111,42      22,28   -0,20000000      127 234,73   -1 112,97821742   0:47:49   4
195   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,50000000   at   111,41      55,71   -0,50000000      127 290,44   -1 113,47821742   0:47:49   4
196   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   3,90000000   at   111,40      434,46   -3,90000000      127 724,90   -1 117,37821742   0:47:50   4
197   5.5.2013 7:17   out   BTC   -1   0,50000000   at   111,40      55,70   -0,50000000      127 780,60   -1 117,87821742   0:47:50   4
198   5.5.2013 7:27   out   BTC   -1   21,01768930   at   111,40      2 341,37   -21,01768930      130 121,97   -1 138,89590672   0:57:59   4
199   5.5.2013 7:31   out   BTC   -1   0,88801770   at   111,50      99,01   -0,88801770      130 220,98   -1 139,78392442   1:01:15   5
200   5.5.2013 7:31   out   BTC   -1   10,00000000   at   111,50      1 115,00   -10,00000000      131 335,98   -1 149,78392442   1:01:17   5
201   5.5.2013 7:31   out   BTC   -1   4,58168286   at   111,50      510,86   -4,58168286      131 846,84   -1 154,36560728   1:01:20   5
202   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,71541255   at   111,50      79,77   -0,71541255      131 926,61   -1 155,08101983   1:02:04   5
203   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   4,23203140   at   111,50      471,87   -4,23203140      132 398,48   -1 159,31305123   1:02:05   5
204   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   5,66745198   at   111,00      629,09   -5,66745198      133 027,57   -1 164,98050321   1:02:18   5
205   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   5,97260000   at   110,00      656,99   -5,97260000      133 684,56   -1 170,95310321   1:02:19   5
206   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   4,91256390   at   110,00      540,38   -4,91256390      134 224,94   -1 175,86566711   1:02:19   5
207   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,00169890   at   110,00      0,19   -0,00169890      134 225,13   -1 175,86736601   1:02:19   5
208   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,15000000   at   109,98      16,50   -0,15000000      134 241,62   -1 176,01736601   1:02:19   5
209   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,02000000   at   109,56      2,19   -0,02000000      134 243,81   -1 176,03736601   1:02:19   5
210   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   25,00000000   at   109,42      2 735,48   -25,00000000      136 979,29   -1 201,03736601   1:02:19   5
211   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,01085944   at   109,36      1,19   -0,01085944      136 980,48   -1 201,04822545   1:02:19   5
212   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   109,31      109,31   -1,00000000      137 089,78   -1 202,04822545   1:02:19   5
213   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   109,31      109,31   -1,00000000      137 199,09   -1 203,04822545   1:02:19   5
214   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,30740279   at   109,30      33,60   -0,30740279      137 232,69   -1 203,35562824   1:02:19   5
215   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,25494000   at   109,28      27,86   -0,25494000      137 260,55   -1 203,61056824   1:02:19   5
216   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,01846845   at   109,28      2,02   -0,01846845      137 262,57   -1 203,62903669   1:02:19   5
217   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,01082765   at   109,27      1,18   -0,01082765      137 263,75   -1 203,63986434   1:02:19   5
218   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,15779156   at   109,27      17,24   -0,15779156      137 280,99   -1 203,79765590   1:02:19   5
219   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,18000000   at   109,24      19,66   -0,18000000      137 300,66   -1 203,97765590   1:02:20   5
220   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   109,24      1,09   -0,01000000      137 301,75   -1 203,98765590   1:02:20   5
221   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,01086675   at   109,03      1,18   -0,01086675      137 302,93   -1 203,99852265   1:02:20   5
222   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   0,74928605   at   109,00      81,67   -0,74928605      137 384,60   -1 204,74780870   1:02:20   5
223   5.5.2013 7:32   out   BTC   -1   4,56524253   at   109,00      497,61   -4,56524253      137 882,22   -1 209,31305123   1:02:28   5
224   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   50,00000000   at   109,00      5 450,00   -50,00000000      143 332,22   -1 259,31305123   1:04:38   5
225   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,01804098   at   108,71      1,96   -0,01804098      143 334,18   -1 259,33109221   1:04:38   5
226   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,15779156   at   108,67      17,15   -0,15779156      143 351,32   -1 259,48888377   1:04:38   5
227   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,18000000   at   108,61      19,55   -0,18000000      143 370,87   -1 259,66888377   1:04:38   5
228   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   1,01100001   at   108,61      109,80   -1,01100001      143 480,68   -1 260,67988378   1:04:38   5
229   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,01002561   at   108,57      1,09   -0,01002561      143 481,76   -1 260,68990939   1:04:39   5
230   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,00128773   at   108,52      0,14   -0,00128773      143 481,90   -1 260,69119712   1:04:39   5
231   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,02000000   at   108,50      2,17   -0,02000000      143 484,07   -1 260,71119712   1:04:39   5
232   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,01087987   at   108,38      1,18   -0,01087987      143 485,25   -1 260,72207699   1:04:39   5
233   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   0,15779156   at   108,37      17,10   -0,15779156      143 502,35   -1 260,87986855   1:04:39   5
234   5.5.2013 7:34   out   BTC   -1   28,43318268   at   108,34      3 080,49   -28,43318268      146 582,84   -1 289,31305123   1:04:39   5
235   5.5.2013 7:36   out   BTC   -1   2,78237513   at   109,60      304,95   -2,78237513      146 887,79   -1 292,09542636   1:06:27   5
236   5.5.2013 7:36   out   BTC   -1   81,27780000   at   109,59      8 907,23   -81,27780000      155 795,03   -1 373,37322636   1:06:27   5
237   5.5.2013 7:36   out   BTC   -1   0,28111433   at   109,50      30,78   -0,28111433      155 825,81   -1 373,65434069   1:06:34   5
238   5.5.2013 7:36   out   BTC   -1   15,65871054   at   109,50      1 714,63   -15,65871054      157 540,44   -1 389,31305123   1:06:39   5
239   5.5.2013 7:37   out   BTC   -1   50,00000000   at   109,50      5 475,00   -50,00000000      163 015,44   -1 439,31305123   1:07:08   5
240   5.5.2013 7:38   out   BTC   -1   42,65846414   at   110,00      4 692,43   -42,65846414      167 707,87   -1 481,97151537   1:08:07   5
241   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   13,89702178   at   108,11      1 502,41   -13,89702178      169 210,28   -1 495,86853715   1:09:17   5
242   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   108,11      1,08   -0,01000000      169 211,36   -1 495,87853715   1:09:17   5
243   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,43560000   at   108,10      47,09   -0,43560000      169 258,45   -1 496,31413715   1:09:17   5
244   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   5,93187767   at   108,10      641,24   -5,93187767      169 899,68   -1 502,24601482   1:09:17   5
245   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   42,22996530   at   108,10      4 565,06   -42,22996530      174 464,74   -1 544,47598012   1:09:17   5
246   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01500000   at   108,10      1,62   -0,01500000      174 466,36   -1 544,49098012   1:09:18   5
247   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,15779156   at   108,07      17,05   -0,15779156      174 483,42   -1 544,64877168   1:09:18   5
248   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,18000000   at   108,07      19,45   -0,18000000      174 502,87   -1 544,82877168   1:09:18   5
249   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01088893   at   108,05      1,18   -0,01088893      174 504,04   -1 544,83966061   1:09:19   5
250   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   6,10710000   at   108,00      659,57   -6,10710000      175 163,61   -1 550,94676061   1:09:19   5
251   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   20,00000000   at   108,00      2 160,00   -20,00000000      177 323,61   -1 570,94676061   1:09:19   5
252   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   5,00000000   at   108,00      540,00   -5,00000000      177 863,61   -1 575,94676061   1:09:19   5
253   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,18000000   at   107,98      19,44   -0,18000000      177 883,05   -1 576,12676061   1:09:19   5
254   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   2,63238565   at   107,89      284,01   -2,63238565      178 167,06   -1 578,75914626   1:09:19   5
255   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,25663000   at   107,88      27,69   -0,25663000      178 194,74   -1 579,01577626   1:09:19   5
256   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   2,63249780   at   107,79      283,76   -2,63249780      178 478,51   -1 581,64827406   1:09:19   5
257   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   8,23979330   at   107,79      888,17   -8,23979330      179 366,67   -1 589,88806736   1:09:19   5
258   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,15779156   at   107,77      17,01   -0,15779156      179 383,68   -1 590,04585892   1:09:19   5
259   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   35,00000000   at   107,76      3 771,74   -35,00000000      183 155,42   -1 625,04585892   1:09:19   5
260   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,10110000   at   107,74      10,89   -0,10110000      183 166,31   -1 625,14695892   1:09:19   5
261   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01089963   at   107,73      1,17   -0,01089963      183 167,48   -1 625,15785855   1:09:19   5
262   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01500000   at   107,66      1,61   -0,01500000      183 169,10   -1 625,17285855   1:09:20   5
263   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,03141000   at   107,61      3,38   -0,03141000      183 172,48   -1 625,20426855   1:09:20   5
264   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   50,00000000   at   107,51      5 375,50   -50,00000000      188 547,98   -1 675,20426855   1:09:20   5
265   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   6,76724682   at   107,50      727,48   -6,76724682      189 275,46   -1 681,97151537   1:09:20   5
266   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,09155800   at   109,49      10,02   -0,09155800      189 285,48   -1 682,06307337   1:09:55   5
267   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01200000   at   108,65      1,30   -0,01200000      189 286,79   -1 682,07507337   1:09:55   5
268   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,02013288   at   108,62      2,19   -0,02013288      189 288,97   -1 682,09520625   1:09:55   5
269   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01173511   at   108,42      1,27   -0,01173511      189 290,25   -1 682,10694136   1:09:55   5
270   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,29026576   at   108,41      31,47   -0,29026576      189 321,71   -1 682,39720712   1:09:55   5
271   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,31696634   at   108,41      34,36   -0,31696634      189 356,07   -1 682,71417346   1:09:56   5
272   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   2,91359893   at   108,24      315,36   -2,91359893      189 671,44   -1 685,62777239   1:09:56   5
273   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,05000000   at   108,12      5,41   -0,05000000      189 676,84   -1 685,67777239   1:09:56   5
274   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   2,48513275   at   108,11      268,68   -2,48513275      189 945,52   -1 688,16290514   1:09:56   5
275   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01217520   at   108,10      1,32   -0,01217520      189 946,84   -1 688,17508034   1:09:56   5
276   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,17440000   at   107,80      18,80   -0,17440000      189 965,64   -1 688,34948034   1:09:56   5
277   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   107,54      1,08   -0,01000000      189 966,71   -1 688,35948034   1:09:56   5
278   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   51,16545143   at   107,50      5 500,29   -51,16545143      195 467,00   -1 739,52493177   1:09:56   5
279   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   6,96564586   at   107,50      748,81   -6,96564586      196 215,81   -1 746,49057763   1:09:56   5
280   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,25052687   at   107,50      26,93   -0,25052687      196 242,74   -1 746,74110450   1:09:56   5
281   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,08338000   at   107,47      8,96   -0,08338000      196 251,70   -1 746,82448450   1:09:56   5
282   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,15779156   at   107,47      16,96   -0,15779156      196 268,66   -1 746,98227606   1:09:56   5
283   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   5,00000000   at   107,45      537,25   -5,00000000      196 805,91   -1 751,98227606   1:09:56   5
284   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,18000000   at   107,44      19,34   -0,18000000      196 825,24   -1 752,16227606   1:09:57   5
285   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,20000000   at   107,42      21,48   -0,20000000      196 846,73   -1 752,36227606   1:09:57   5
286   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01090972   at   107,41      1,17   -0,01090972      196 847,90   -1 752,37318578   1:09:57   5
287   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   3,00000000   at   107,40      322,20   -3,00000000      197 170,10   -1 755,37318578   1:09:57   5
288   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   30,00000000   at   107,40      3 222,00   -30,00000000      200 392,10   -1 785,37318578   1:09:57   5
289   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,13115520   at   107,38      14,08   -0,13115520      200 406,18   -1 785,50434098   1:09:57   5
290   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,02000000   at   107,37      2,15   -0,02000000      200 408,33   -1 785,52434098   1:09:57   5
291   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   42,00000000   at   107,32      4 507,61   -42,00000000      204 915,94   -1 827,52434098   1:09:57   5
292   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01874936   at   107,31      2,01   -0,01874936      204 917,95   -1 827,54309034   1:09:57   5
293   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01073960   at   107,31      1,15   -0,01073960      204 919,10   -1 827,55382994   1:09:57   5
294   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   10,00000000   at   107,30      1 073,00   -10,00000000      205 992,10   -1 837,55382994   1:09:57   5
295   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   7,00000000   at   107,26      750,82   -7,00000000      206 742,92   -1 844,55382994   1:09:58   5
296   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   25,00000000   at   107,25      2 681,25   -25,00000000      209 424,17   -1 869,55382994   1:09:58   5
297   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   5,00000000   at   107,25      536,25   -5,00000000      209 960,42   -1 874,55382994   1:09:58   5
298   5.5.2013 7:39   out   BTC   -1   7,41768543   at   107,23      795,40   -7,41768543      210 755,82   -1 881,97151537   1:09:58   5
299   5.5.2013 7:51   out   BTC   -1   6,65673991   at   109,20      726,92   -6,65673991      211 482,74   -1 888,62825528   1:21:18   6
300   7.5.2013 11:36   out   BTC   -1   0,16997175   at   109,00      18,53   -0,16997175      211 501,26   -1 888,79822703   53:06:03   213
301   7.5.2013 11:39   out   BTC   -1   9,00000000   at   109,00      980,99   -9,00000000      212 482,26   -1 897,79822703   53:09:43   213
302   7.5.2013 11:39   out   BTC   -1   0,01009385   at   109,00      1,10   -0,01009385      212 483,36   -1 897,80832088   53:09:52   213
303   7.5.2013 11:40   out   BTC   -1   1,30960274   at   109,00      142,75   -1,30960274      212 626,10   -1 899,11792362   53:10:14   213
304   7.5.2013 11:40   out   BTC   -1   4,05010000   at   109,00      441,46   -4,05010000      213 067,56   -1 903,16802362   53:10:22   213
305   7.5.2013 11:46   out   BTC   -1   5,72352093   at   109,00      623,86   -5,72352093      213 691,42   -1 908,89154455   53:16:31   214
306   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   3,40850542   at   108,81      370,88   -3,40850542      214 062,30   -1 912,30004997   53:26:14   214
307   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   8,99000000   at   108,80      978,11   -8,99000000      215 040,41   -1 921,29004997   53:26:39   214
308   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   5,93080000   at   108,21      641,75   -5,93080000      215 682,15   -1 927,22084997   53:26:39   214
309   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   98,00000000   at   108,20      10 604,05   -98,00000000      226 286,20   -2 025,22084997   53:26:39   214
310   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01171830   at   108,20      1,27   -0,01171830      226 287,47   -2 025,23256827   53:26:39   214
311   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,05124207   at   108,16      5,54   -0,05124207      226 293,01   -2 025,28381034   53:26:39   214
312   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01277568   at   108,16      1,38   -0,01277568      226 294,39   -2 025,29658602   53:26:40   214
313   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01189902   at   108,16      1,29   -0,01189902      226 295,68   -2 025,30848504   53:26:40   214
314   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,05000000   at   108,16      5,41   -0,05000000      226 301,09   -2 025,35848504   53:26:40   214
315   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01229290   at   108,16      1,33   -0,01229290      226 302,42   -2 025,37077794   53:26:40   214
316   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01291526   at   108,16      1,40   -0,01291526      226 303,81   -2 025,38369320   53:26:40   214
317   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01000000   at   108,16      1,08   -0,01000000      226 304,90   -2 025,39369320   53:26:40   214
318   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01217000   at   108,16      1,32   -0,01217000      226 306,21   -2 025,40586320   53:26:40   214
319   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01640000   at   108,14      1,77   -0,01640000      226 307,99   -2 025,42226320   53:26:40   214
320   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,01600000   at   108,13      1,73   -0,01600000      226 309,72   -2 025,43826320   53:26:40   214
321   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   108,00      108,00   -1,00000000      226 417,72   -2 026,43826320   53:26:40   214
322   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   3,28375234   at   108,00      354,65   -3,28375234      226 772,36   -2 029,72201554   53:26:42   214
323   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   2,57803443   at   108,00      278,43   -2,57803443      227 050,79   -2 032,30004997   53:26:42   214
324   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   0,09149458   at   108,81      9,96   -0,09149458      227 060,74   -2 032,39154455   53:26:50   214
325   7.5.2013 11:56   out   BTC   -1   5,00000000   at   108,82      544,10   -5,00000000      227 604,84   -2 037,39154455   53:26:50   214
326   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   44,74878166   at   108,75      4 866,43   -44,74878166      232 471,27   -2 082,14032621   53:28:11   214
327   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,60125439   at   107,93      64,89   -0,60125439      232 536,17   -2 082,74158060   53:28:18   214
328   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,04080000   at   107,75      4,40   -0,04080000      232 540,56   -2 082,78238060   53:28:18   214
329   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,01716030   at   107,73      1,85   -0,01716030      232 542,41   -2 082,79954090   53:28:18   214
330   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,01100000   at   107,73      1,19   -0,01100000      232 543,60   -2 082,81054090   53:28:18   214
331   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,01151029   at   107,73      1,24   -0,01151029      232 544,84   -2 082,82205119   53:28:18   214
332   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,05000000   at   107,72      5,39   -0,05000000      232 550,22   -2 082,87205119   53:28:18   214
333   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,01700000   at   107,72      1,83   -0,01700000      232 552,05   -2 082,88905119   53:28:19   214
334   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,01116000   at   107,71      1,20   -0,01116000      232 553,25   -2 082,90021119   53:28:19   214
335   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,05060000   at   107,71      5,45   -0,05060000      232 558,70   -2 082,95081119   53:28:19   214
336   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,02000000   at   107,70      2,15   -0,02000000      232 560,86   -2 082,97081119   53:28:19   214
337   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   7,39500000   at   107,66      796,12   -7,39500000      233 356,98   -2 090,36581119   53:28:19   214
338   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   5,92010000   at   107,66      637,34   -5,92010000      233 994,32   -2 096,28591119   53:28:19   214
339   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,20000000   at   107,66      21,53   -0,20000000      234 015,86   -2 096,48591119   53:28:19   214
340   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,10860000   at   107,42      11,67   -0,10860000      234 027,52   -2 096,59451119   53:28:19   214
341   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   3,03367841   at   107,41      325,86   -3,03367841      234 353,38   -2 099,62818960   53:28:19   214
342   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   0,15916370   at   107,38      17,09   -0,15916370      234 370,47   -2 099,78735330   53:28:19   214
343   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   10,05300000   at   107,37      1 079,34   -10,05300000      235 449,82   -2 109,84035330   53:28:19   214
344   7.5.2013 11:58   out   BTC   -1   22,29997291   at   107,36      2 394,13   -22,29997291      237 843,94   -2 132,14032621   53:28:19   214
345   7.5.2013 12:26   in   BTC   1   4,68858770   at   104,14      -488,27   4,68858770      237 355,67   -2 127,45173851   53:56:26   216
346   7.5.2013 12:27   in   BTC   1   95,31141230   at   104,14      -9 925,73   95,31141230      227 429,94   -2 032,14032621   53:57:07   216
347   7.5.2013 12:53   in   BTC   1   25,00000000   at   104,02      -2 600,50   25,00000000      224 829,44   -2 007,14032621   54:23:55   218
348   7.5.2013 12:54   in   BTC   1   10,00000000   at   103,62      -1 036,22   10,00000000      223 793,22   -1 997,14032621   54:24:19   218
349   7.5.2013 12:54   in   BTC   1   50,00000000   at   103,50      -5 175,00   50,00000000      218 618,22   -1 947,14032621   54:24:20   218
350   7.5.2013 12:55   in   BTC   1   0,10000000   at   103,50      -10,35   0,10000000      218 607,87   -1 947,04032621   54:25:25   218
351   7.5.2013 12:55   in   BTC   1   1,10000000   at   103,50      -113,85   1,10000000      218 494,02   -1 945,94032621   54:25:33   218
352   7.5.2013 12:55   in   BTC   1   0,00064911   at   103,50      -0,07   0,00064911      218 493,95   -1 945,93967710   54:25:37   218
353   7.5.2013 12:55   in   BTC   1   98,79935089   at   103,50      -10 225,73   98,79935089      208 268,22   -1 847,14032621   54:25:56   218
354   7.5.2013 12:55   in   BTC   1   19,40000000   at   103,35      -2 004,99   19,40000000      206 263,23   -1 827,74032621   54:25:56   218
355   7.5.2013 12:55   in   BTC   1   6,72779834   at   103,25      -694,62   6,72779834      205 568,61   -1 821,01252787   54:25:57   218
356   7.5.2013 12:56   in   BTC   1   18,27220166   at   103,25      -1 886,53   18,27220166      203 682,09   -1 802,74032621   54:26:47   218
357   7.5.2013 12:56   in   BTC   1   36,00000000   at   103,15      -3 713,40   36,00000000      199 968,69   -1 766,74032621   54:26:54   218
358   7.5.2013 12:59   in   BTC   1   0,57868893   at   103,10      -59,66   0,57868893      199 909,03   -1 766,16163728   54:29:22   218
359   7.5.2013 12:59   in   BTC   1   49,42131107   at   103,10      -5 095,34   49,42131107      194 813,69   -1 716,74032621   54:29:36   218
360   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   7,67300443   at   103,98      -797,84   7,67300443      194 015,85   -1 709,06732178   54:33:09   219
361   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   36,89455683   at   104,00      -3 837,00   36,89455683      190 178,85   -1 672,17276495   54:33:09   219
362   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   0,25922125   at   104,00      -26,96   0,25922125      190 151,89   -1 671,91354370   54:33:09   219
363   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   0,10000000   at   104,00      -10,40   0,10000000      190 141,49   -1 671,81354370   54:33:09   219
364   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   0,01000000   at   104,00      -1,04   0,01000000      190 140,45   -1 671,80354370   54:33:10   219
365   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   18,40000000   at   104,00      -1 913,60   18,40000000      188 226,85   -1 653,40354370   54:33:10   219
366   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   20,00000000   at   104,00      -2 080,00   20,00000000      186 146,85   -1 633,40354370   54:33:10   219
367   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   0,29335752   at   104,00      -30,51   0,29335752      186 116,35   -1 633,11018618   54:33:10   219
368   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   10,00000000   at   104,00      -1 040,00   10,00000000      185 076,35   -1 623,11018618   54:33:14   219
369   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   10,00000000   at   104,00      -1 040,00   10,00000000      184 036,35   -1 613,11018618   54:33:21   219
370   7.5.2013 13:03   in   BTC   1   10,00000000   at   104,00      -1 040,00   10,00000000      182 996,35   -1 603,11018618   54:33:23   219
371   7.5.2013 13:22   in   BTC   1   21,42060818   at   102,78      -2 201,61   21,42060818      180 794,73   -1 581,68957800   54:52:06   220
372   7.5.2013 13:22   in   BTC   1   18,41000000   at   102,78      -1 892,18   18,41000000      178 902,56   -1 563,27957800   54:52:13   220
373   7.5.2013 13:22   in   BTC   1   0,03404736   at   102,78      -3,50   0,03404736      178 899,06   -1 563,24553064   54:52:16   220
374   7.5.2013 13:22   in   BTC   1   10,13534446   at   102,78      -1 041,71   10,13534446      177 857,35   -1 553,11018618   54:52:31   220
375   7.5.2013 13:22   in   BTC   1   6,21495031   at   102,60      -637,65   6,21495031      177 219,69   -1 546,89523587   54:52:33   220
376   7.5.2013 13:22   in   BTC   1   0,03633451   at   102,60      -3,73   0,03633451      177 215,96   -1 546,85890136   54:52:46   220
377   7.5.2013 13:23   in   BTC   1   0,00285158   at   102,60      -0,29   0,00285158      177 215,67   -1 546,85604978   54:53:05   220
378   7.5.2013 13:23   in   BTC   1   6,80980864   at   102,60      -698,69   6,80980864      176 516,98   -1 540,04624114   54:53:13   220
379   7.5.2013 13:23   in   BTC   1   5,00000000   at   102,60      -513,00   5,00000000      176 003,98   -1 535,04624114   54:53:21   220
380   7.5.2013 13:23   in   BTC   1   5,00000000   at   102,60      -513,00   5,00000000      175 490,98   -1 530,04624114   54:53:22   220
381   7.5.2013 13:23   in   BTC   1   35,49420726   at   102,60      -3 641,71   35,49420726      171 849,28   -1 494,55203388   54:53:29   220
382   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   4,99847571   at   104,51      522,40   -4,99847571      172 371,67   -1 499,55050959   55:18:06   222
383   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   1,00000000   at   104,51      104,51   -1,00000000      172 476,18   -1 500,55050959   55:18:07   222
384   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01917000   at   104,31      2,00   -0,01917000      172 478,18   -1 500,56967959   55:18:07   222
385   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01200000   at   104,30      1,25   -0,01200000      172 479,44   -1 500,58167959   55:18:07   222
386   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01300000   at   104,30      1,36   -0,01300000      172 480,79   -1 500,59467959   55:18:07   222
387   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,67000000   at   104,30      69,88   -0,67000000      172 550,67   -1 501,26467959   55:18:07   222
388   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   4,00000000   at   104,30      417,20   -4,00000000      172 967,87   -1 505,26467959   55:18:07   222
389   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01905000   at   104,30      1,99   -0,01905000      172 969,86   -1 505,28372959   55:18:07   222
390   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01850000   at   104,30      1,93   -0,01850000      172 971,79   -1 505,30222959   55:18:07   222
391   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01860000   at   104,30      1,94   -0,01860000      172 973,73   -1 505,32082959   55:18:07   222
392   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01356000   at   104,30      1,41   -0,01356000      172 975,15   -1 505,33438959   55:18:08   222
393   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01400000   at   104,30      1,46   -0,01400000      172 976,61   -1 505,34838959   55:18:08   222
394   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01400000   at   104,30      1,46   -0,01400000      172 978,07   -1 505,36238959   55:18:08   222
395   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01200000   at   104,30      1,25   -0,01200000      172 979,32   -1 505,37438959   55:18:08   222
396   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   0,01985594   at   104,30      2,07   -0,01985594      172 981,39   -1 505,39424553   55:18:08   222
397   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   5,95030000   at   104,30      620,62   -5,95030000      173 602,00   -1 511,34454553   55:18:12   222
398   7.5.2013 13:48   out   BTC   -1   3,20748835   at   104,30      334,54   -3,20748835      173 936,55   -1 514,55203388   55:18:19   222
399   7.5.2013 13:53   out   BTC   -1   2,76845508   at   104,40      289,03   -2,76845508      174 225,57   -1 517,32048896   55:23:14   222
400   7.5.2013 13:53   out   BTC   -1   0,51259146   at   104,30      53,46   -0,51259146      174 279,04   -1 517,83308042   55:23:14   222
401   7.5.2013 13:53   out   BTC   -1   4,71895346   at   104,30      492,19   -4,71895346      174 771,22   -1 522,55203388   55:23:14   222
402   7.5.2013 14:08   in   BTC   1   3,97684770   at   102,60      -408,02   3,97684770      174 363,20   -1 518,57518618   55:38:34   223
403   7.5.2013 14:08   in   BTC   1   25,00000000   at   102,57      -2 564,25   25,00000000      171 798,95   -1 493,57518618   55:38:34   223
404   7.5.2013 14:19   in   BTC   1   50,00000000   at   102,12      -5 106,00   50,00000000      166 692,95   -1 443,57518618   55:49:55   224
405   7.5.2013 14:21   in   BTC   1   50,00000000   at   101,61      -5 080,50   50,00000000      161 612,45   -1 393,57518618   55:51:25   224
406   7.5.2013 14:23   in   BTC   1   50,00000000   at   101,21      -5 060,50   50,00000000      156 551,95   -1 343,57518618   55:53:02   224
407   7.5.2013 14:32   in   BTC   1   100,00000000   at   100,01      -10 001,00   100,00000000      146 550,95   -1 243,57518618   56:02:40   225
408   7.5.2013 14:42   in   BTC   1   389,00000000   at   98,50      -38 316,50   389,00000000      108 234,45   -854,57518618   56:12:34   225
409   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   9,19873475   at   102,00      -938,27   9,19873475      107 296,18   -845,37645143   56:31:01   227
410   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   0,22000000   at   102,00      -22,44   0,22000000      107 273,74   -845,15645143   56:31:02   227
411   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   0,01200000   at   102,00      -1,22   0,01200000      107 272,51   -845,14445143   56:31:02   227
412   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   26,43682160   at   102,00      -2 696,56   26,43682160      104 575,96   -818,70762983   56:31:02   227
413   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   1,67000000   at   102,00      -170,34   1,67000000      104 405,62   -817,03762983   56:31:02   227
414   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   6,00000000   at   102,00      -612,00   6,00000000      103 793,62   -811,03762983   56:31:02   227
415   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   5,00000000   at   102,00      -510,00   5,00000000      103 283,62   -806,03762983   56:31:02   227
416   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   5,49000000   at   102,10      -560,52   5,49000000      102 723,09   -800,54762983   56:31:02   227
417   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   4,95000000   at   102,10      -505,39   4,95000000      102 217,70   -795,59762983   56:31:02   227
418   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   2,94790000   at   102,20      -301,28   2,94790000      101 916,43   -792,64972983   56:31:08   227
419   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   0,10000000   at   102,20      -10,22   0,10000000      101 906,21   -792,54972983   56:31:21   227
420   7.5.2013 15:01   in   BTC   1   19,35357691   at   102,20      -1 977,94   19,35357691      99 928,27   -773,19615292   56:31:32   227
421   7.5.2013 15:14   in   BTC   1   12,72764294   at   100,10      -1 274,04   12,72764294      98 654,24   -760,46850998   56:44:12   227
422   7.5.2013 15:14   in   BTC   1   0,02423760   at   100,50      -2,44   0,02423760      98 651,80   -760,44427238   56:44:21   227
423   7.5.2013 15:14   in   BTC   1   20,82880635   at   100,50      -2 093,30   20,82880635      96 558,50   -739,61546603   56:44:37   227
424   7.5.2013 15:28   in   BTC   1   0,53000000   at   102,30      -54,22   0,53000000      96 504,29   -739,08546603   56:58:53   228
425   7.5.2013 15:28   in   BTC   1   0,26361906   at   102,30      -26,97   0,26361906      96 477,32   -738,82184697   56:58:56   228
426   7.5.2013 15:29   in   BTC   1   0,88493679   at   102,30      -90,53   0,88493679      96 386,79   -737,93691018   56:59:00   228
427   7.5.2013 15:29   in   BTC   1   7,26845564   at   102,30      -743,56   7,26845564      95 643,23   -730,66845454   56:59:01   228
428   7.5.2013 15:29   in   BTC   1   0,04390000   at   102,30      -4,49   0,04390000      95 638,73   -730,62455454   56:59:02   228
429   7.5.2013 15:29   in   BTC   1   0,01723873   at   102,30      -1,76   0,01723873      95 636,97   -730,60731581   56:59:08   228
430   7.5.2013 15:29   in   BTC   1   0,01803154   at   102,30      -1,84   0,01803154      95 635,13   -730,58928427   56:59:37   228
431   7.5.2013 15:29   in   BTC   1   0,01200000   at   102,30      -1,23   0,01200000      95 633,90   -730,57728427   56:59:44   228
432   7.5.2013 15:29   in   BTC   1   13,00000000   at   102,30      -1 329,90   13,00000000      94 304,00   -717,57728427   56:59:54   228
433   7.5.2013 15:30   in   BTC   1   9,96000000   at   102,30      -1 018,91   9,96000000      93 285,09   -707,61728427   57:00:17   229
434   7.5.2013 15:30   in   BTC   1   0,01602143   at   102,30      -1,64   0,01602143      93 283,45   -707,60126284   57:00:17   229
435   7.5.2013 15:31   in   BTC   1   0,01529068   at   102,30      -1,56   0,01529068      93 281,89   -707,58597216   57:01:08   229
436   7.5.2013 15:35   in   BTC   1   517,86520581   at   102,00      -52 822,25   517,86520581      40 459,64   -189,72076635   57:05:09   229
437   7.5.2013 15:35   in   BTC   1   0,01000000   at   102,00      -1,02   0,01000000      40 458,62   -189,71076635   57:05:10   229
438   7.5.2013 15:40   in   BTC   1   124,32657218   at   102,30      -12 718,61   124,32657218      27 740,01   -65,38419417   57:10:52   229
439   7.5.2013 15:40   in   BTC   1   35,67342782   at   102,30      -3 649,39   35,67342782      24 090,62   -29,71076635   57:10:54   229
440   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   65,38373398   at   102,73      -6 716,87   65,38373398      17 373,74   35,67296763   57:16:17   230
441   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   34,61626602   at   102,80      -3 558,55   34,61626602      13 815,19   70,28923365   57:16:17   230
442   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   25,22417518   at   102,93      -2 596,32   25,22417518      11 218,87   95,51340883   57:16:58   230
443   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   3,00000000   at   102,93      -308,80   3,00000000      10 910,06   98,51340883   57:16:58   230
444   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   0,03997272   at   102,94      -4,11   0,03997272      10 905,95   98,55338155   57:16:58   230
445   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   0,01181504   at   102,94      -1,22   0,01181504      10 904,73   98,56519659   57:16:58   230
446   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   0,02008152   at   102,94      -2,07   0,02008152      10 902,67   98,58527811   57:16:58   230
447   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   0,02158042   at   102,95      -2,22   0,02158042      10 900,44   98,60685853   57:16:58   230
448   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   2,00000000   at   102,96      -205,92   2,00000000      10 694,53   100,60685853   57:16:59   230
449   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   0,10000000   at   102,98      -10,30   0,10000000      10 684,23   100,70685853   57:16:59   230
450   7.5.2013 15:46   in   BTC   1   75,30945612   at   103,00      -7 756,87   75,30945612      2 927,36   176,01631465   57:16:59   230

I think I have to coin a 1984ish word, "untrue", to be used every time somebody posts a claim, which is total bullshit, but luckily easily refutable by truth.

saved, this might turn out to be useful if I can develop a heuristic model to exploit you,



51. Post 2141123 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.58h):

Quote from: rpietila on May 14, 2013, 08:10:14 AM
Quote
0.0th class supernode = BTC1M
0.5th class supernode = BTC100,000
1.0st class supernode = BTC10,000
1.5th class supernode = BTC3,000
2.0nd class supernode = BTC1,000
2.5th class supernode = BTC300
3.0th class supernode = BTC100
Ah. So basically it's a how big is my penis list. Thanks, now I get it.

No. I would compare it to the population, or GDP rather. You are acting silly.

I've heard Jonah Falcon the man with the largest documented penis is living with his mum. He also wrote a song about it recently, maybe you should too?
Also the worlds tallest and shortest man did meet once.

But you are way too much of a sociopath for that aren't you?



52. Post 2160322 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on May 15, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
I seriously wonder how this is going to end up.

Because Bitcoin loves to troll us.

For once I think there is a good chance for the price to downtrend some more, that being said...

Spiked at $116, just saying.  Cheesy

A far shot from the 125 resistance, futile.



53. Post 2170329 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: Ivanhoe on May 16, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
Probably just a burn-out, which is not a thing to be ashamed of when you lose such an amount of money. In 1 or 2 months we will have the old rpetila back. In the meanwhile i wish him the best, if he reads this of course.



If you read this: Yes it's true there really is a goverment conspiracy against you. And your hospitalization is part of it.

scnr



54. Post 2172129 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: rpietila on May 16, 2013, 06:49:52 PM
"I am currently detained in a psychiatric institution in Helsinki, because I need rest. My physical well-being is taken care of."
Edit: Do psych wards have wifi?  Smiley

That depends - currently I use my own equipment. But seriously guys, the whole idea is that this would be a period of rest for me. I have worked too hard, gotten irritated, and my behavior has not been up to the par. So now I will take a rest and mind my own business in calm quietness for days, weeks or months. They will tell me when I am clear to leave. Just forget about me, until I come public again. If everybody talks about me all the time, what difference does it even make whether I am here or not??  Roll Eyes

You have been set up buddy.

They already know, it's too late.



55. Post 2172318 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

If the staff of the Helsinki psych ward discover his laptop rpietila gonna get a Legal guardian in charge of his finances....



56. Post 2184722 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Has anybody else noticed the ultra short term inverse relationship between mtgox <-> btce?

When gox goes up btce goes down and verse visa.



57. Post 2185468 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: Digikeys on May 17, 2013, 10:02:05 PM
Someone is slowly offloading a lot of coins on Bitstamp at pretty reasonable prices...

The rats are leaving the ship.
I think we can go as high as 20% cross exchange spread and gox under 50% of volume.



58. Post 2186000 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 17, 2013, 11:07:50 PM
I'm not a day trader but I follow the this thread (ie. the best thread to keep up to date in bitcoin and recent events) but as my spare time is limited I struggle to follow every page.

I'd just like to know what peoples opinions are on why the price is currently going up. My feeling is people buying in anticipation on what this weekends events will produce?

I'd start a separate thread but I've been lurking around here for a few years now and have learned that this thread is the best source of opinions (in my opinion  Wink).

there's a lot going on, and its all being down played by the "bad news" that the government is starting to regulate the cash flow out of bitcoin.
IMO the fact that government is taking notice is a good thing, and i see big projects in the works, with some real funding backing it up, this will have serious consequences for bitcoin.

when the FUD turns to Facts, bitcoin will blast off with more force then we have ever seen before.

Some times Fear Uncertainty and Doubt is warranted. And when it does it is wise to act with caution.



59. Post 2193374 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: Loozik on May 18, 2013, 06:33:41 PM
Does anybody see anything other than this same flat trend, that could very well last through the weekend?  Up, down, sideways?

Yes, I do. I have a magical indicator that can see into the future  Tongue I am posting what the indicator tells me.

Sorry, I couldn't resist Smiley

Is that a wavelet transform?



60. Post 2193400 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 18, 2013, 06:48:13 PM
what's with all this bearish sentiment.

i guess you been to busy looking at charts to see that bitcoin is on fire!

Most of it comes from the Coinlab lawsuit, the DHS dwolla account freeze and satoshi dice blocking the US.
I think that is a pretty stern combination, but what do I know.  Tongue



61. Post 2193482 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 18, 2013, 06:53:14 PM
what's with all this bearish sentiment.

i guess you been to busy looking at charts to see that bitcoin is on fire!

Most of it comes from the Coinlab lawsuit, the DHS dwolla account freeze and satoshi dice blocking the US.
I think that is a pretty stern combination, but what do I know.  Tongue

CoinLab lawsuit, finally someone with the balls to take over mtgox in the us

DHS dwolla account freeze , yup its official bitcoin is for real.

satoshi dice blocking the US, LOL like thats going to stop anyone

See, you are purposefully missing the point.

Hint: They don't really look like isolated incidents to me.



62. Post 2193635 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 18, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
what's with all this bearish sentiment.

i guess you been to busy looking at charts to see that bitcoin is on fire!

Most of it comes from the Coinlab lawsuit, the DHS dwolla account freeze and satoshi dice blocking the US.
I think that is a pretty stern combination, but what do I know.  Tongue

CoinLab lawsuit, finally someone with the balls to take over mtgox in the us

DHS dwolla account freeze , yup its official bitcoin is for real.

satoshi dice blocking the US, LOL like thats going to stop anyone

See, you are purposefully missing the point.

Hint: They don't really look like isolated incidents to me.

you're the one missing the point.

Hint: your bitcoins are safe, and when FUD turns to facts...  Grin Grin Grin

Yes what happens when Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt turns to facts?



63. Post 2194087 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 18, 2013, 07:30:01 PM
I mean then the things that are causing the FUD, turns to facts

Well in case of the current situation there is a considerable amount of it.

People fear that the DHS seizing the mtgox dwolla account wasn't the last of it.
Satoshi dice has blocked the US out of uncertainty.
There is considerable doubt that the mtgox/coinlab deal gonna work out.

That is a fact, look around the related threads. And it is different that somebody coming along writing something like: "Bitcoin is unsafe because everybody can steal the coins, operating systems are unsafe and so is Bitcoin.". The former are concrete events with their respectable outcome. The latter is the infamous "spreading of FUD."
There are two kinds of FUD, the one based on agenda/misinterpretation and the other one based on factual events.



64. Post 2194409 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: fitty on May 18, 2013, 08:42:02 PM
Again, MtGox being incompetent isn't news. It would be news if they weren't.  

Every bit increases the known magnitude of incompetence though. God knows how incompetent they really are, at least they managed to stay in business if that means anything.

Quote from: fitty on May 18, 2013, 08:42:02 PM
Blocking US ips was a smart move by SatoshiDice. It's not worth the legal risk. Americans can still gamble, they can find out how, the website was garbage anyway.

This has wider percussions than satoshidice though if they are affected so is the entirety of Bitcoin gambling sites operating on clearnet.


Quote from: fitty on May 18, 2013, 08:42:02 PM
MtGox/Coinlab lawsuit will likely drag on for years, has very little to do with the market and/or Bitcoin.

Maybe, the sum is quite substantial and I think it can threaten mtgox as a business, perhaps bankruptcy? We don't yet know how the market would be without gox. I'd say it's a considerable risk.

Quote from: fitty on May 18, 2013, 08:42:02 PM
Med/Long term it was good news. People leaving MtGox, moving to other exchanges. We need more bad news for MtGox, so more people will move.

Yes, I agree, at least in terms of what's good for the ecosystem. I don't really have an idea what prices would do when it's gone.



65. Post 2194577 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: 100x on May 18, 2013, 09:17:59 PM
Blocking US ips was a smart move by SatoshiDice. It's not worth the legal risk. Americans can still gamble, they can find out how, the website was garbage anyway.

This has wider percussions than satoshidice though if they are affected so is the entirety of Bitcoin gambling sites operating on clearnet.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that this is a small issue (from the censorship perspective). You can just proxy/VPN your way to the site correct? And of course then you are good to go, the bitcoin network gives no fucks about who sends coins to who. Unlike with the online poker situation in previous years where the didn't have bitcoin to get around the funding issues and blocking of payment processors, AFAIK.
Isn't that how conservative gambling sites operate?
Well would still be a legal gray area though. Not that it matters much.



66. Post 2195079 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: Odalv on May 18, 2013, 10:34:40 PM

Bitcoin is p2p (protocol does not log your IP). If satoshidice says "we are blocking US IP" then if you understand what is p2p you will realize "it is impossible" but if you do not understand what is p2p and Bitcoin then you can "think" they did it :-)

... and YES they did it :-)

Well, since this is mainly about not being dragged in court it is well enough within a reasonable effort.



67. Post 2202960 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on May 19, 2013, 07:14:53 PM
Bruce Wagner experience ...

Max Kaiser



68. Post 2207553 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on May 20, 2013, 06:03:30 AM


Oh wow no change within an hour, or is this a bug?



69. Post 2211976 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Just wanting to say in case of the $100 envelope which you can swap for a $200 or $50 one - statistically you should swap since the average amount would be $125. If they however contain $50 and $150 it becomes statistically irrelevant.



70. Post 2212071 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: crumbcake on May 20, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
Just wanting to say in case of the $100 envelope which you can swap for a $200 or $50 one - statistically you should swap since the average amount would be $125. If they however contain $50 and $150 it becomes statistically irrelevant.

And if you're offered a choice to swap again?  Swap/not swap -- same deal as above?

That depends which envelope you got and if you can swap in for the remaining envelopes, if they are just the three envelopes and you aren't allowed to look you shouldn't swap a second time.

Bitcoin investing are best described as a gamblers fallacy, limitless gains and losses.



71. Post 2212154 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: crumbcake on May 20, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
Just wanting to say in case of the $100 envelope which you can swap for a $200 or $50 one - statistically you should swap since the average amount would be $125. If they however contain $50 and $150 it becomes statistically irrelevant.

And if you're offered a choice to swap again?  Swap/not swap -- same deal as above?

That depends which envelope you got and if you can swap in for the remaining envelopes, if they are just the three envelopes and you aren't allowed to look you shouldn't swap.

No, you can't look & no, the envelopes will contain double/half of your envelope. At what point do you get out?

Well, in this case it's best to swap again over and over. I'm too lazy for a proof though.

Does something like M = (2N+0.5N)/2 suffice?
On second thought, since there should be as many times doubling as halfing  the average end result should stay the same.



72. Post 2212271 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: crumbcake on May 20, 2013, 04:31:54 PM
Phew.  *wipes brow*  Good for me, it was my badly-thought out flip on the Monty Hall Problem Cheesy
edit:^^^

Doesn't the Monty Hall problem involve Monty Hall? (Meaning that the actions Monty Hall does take are influenced by your choice, if you have chosen the car first hand he has two goats to choose from but if you choose a goat first he has only one goat to reveal)

I'm fairly certain this is a different problem, and I am almost certain there is a name for it already....



73. Post 2212343 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: crumbcake on May 20, 2013, 04:47:11 PM
Phew.  *wipes brow*  Good for me, it was my badly-thought out flip on the Monty Hall Problem Cheesy
edit:^^^

Doesn't the Monty Hall problem involve Monty Hall? (Meaning that the actions Monty Hall does take are influenced by your choice, if you have chosen the car first hand he has two goats to choose from but if you choose a goat first he has only one goat to reveal)

I'm fairly certain this is a different problem, and I am almost certain there is a name for it already....

Yes and no -- yes it's a different problem, hence "badly thought out flip."  What's the name?

Well there is the TWO envelopes problem, according to wikipedia there is no consensus about it - and this seems to be a variant of it, you evil bastard Wink



74. Post 2212441 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: crumbcake on May 20, 2013, 04:52:45 PM
Phew.  *wipes brow*  Good for me, it was my badly-thought out flip on the Monty Hall Problem Cheesy
edit:^^^

Doesn't the Monty Hall problem involve Monty Hall? (Meaning that the actions Monty Hall does take are influenced by your choice, if you have chosen the car first hand he has two goats to choose from but if you choose a goat first he has only one goat to reveal)

I'm fairly certain this is a different problem, and I am almost certain there is a name for it already....

Yes and no -- yes it's a different problem, hence "badly thought out flip."  What's the name?

Well there is the TWO envelopes problem, according to wikipedia there is no consensus about it - and this seems to be a variant of it, you evil bastard Wink

I swear i'm back from searching for Monty Hall variations & finding esoterica Cheesy  Give me a pointer!

Did you also read the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_envelopes_problem ?



75. Post 2238144 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: Miz4r on May 22, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
Too much tinfoil hattery, need more solid speculation based on facts and logical reasoning.

We are waiting for the next big news to come, positive or negative to determine direction of the market. Technical market does not work in a trendless market.



76. Post 2259276 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: ManBearPig on May 24, 2013, 07:59:47 PM
Found a new blue line I like the look of very much Smiley

Do you realize that the closing price of a daily candle is kind of arbitrary when it comes to trend lines?



77. Post 2259431 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 24, 2013, 08:06:28 PM
Found a new blue line I like the look of very much Smiley

Do you realize that the closing price of a daily candle is kind of arbitrary when it comes to trend lines?

the drop to 50 was dumb so it doesn't count   Tongue

uhhh...




78. Post 2268050 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย on May 25, 2013, 05:13:09 PM
Guys are you forgetting, we will be at $300,000 by December  Roll Eyes

I'm printing up 1 BTC paper wallets. I'm going to give them as presents for Christmas with a note saying "Go pay off your mortgage, quit your job, we're all FUCKING RICH!".

 Cool  its a supernode christmas 2013!

Perhaps he will be out of the hospital by then?



79. Post 2282449 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Oh it seems you are their new scapegoat coinseeker. I'm glad I got rid of that role actually,



80. Post 2283435 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: whisper on May 27, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
Just saw this in other forum... any good??

http://research.microsoft.com/apps/video/dl.aspx?id=192058

yes, although patching it into Bitcoin would require a hard-fork.



81. Post 2286858 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: wonkytonky on May 27, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
bears taking advantage  of the usa memorial day arent they ? Smiley no worries we can buy coins back at higher prices soon lol

well, 1% daily trading profit is 3678% annual trading profit if you manage that consistently... Smiley
(But almost nobody does, that doesn't stop one from trying though...)



82. Post 2286953 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on May 27, 2013, 05:02:29 PM
Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

Wink

Always. It hurts the coin.

No only when you are "all in" (which means you are broke and invested more than you can afford to lose)



83. Post 2287971 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

5k sellwall just popped up @132
lol adam was faster Grin
Quote from: adamstgBit on May 27, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
I see a lot less wall manipulation these days. we haven't seen a huge bid or ask wall pop up purely to cause panic. good sign IMO



lol i say that, and now their is a 5K ask wall


panic time?

I guess so.



84. Post 2288024 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

lol there even is lag, almost perfect.  Cheesy



85. Post 2288057 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 27, 2013, 06:43:23 PM
5k sellwall just popped up @132

I see a lot less wall manipulation these days. we haven't seen a huge bid or ask wall pop up purely to cause panic. good sign IMO
lol adam was faster Grin


lol i say that, and now their is a 5K ask wall


panic time?

I guess so.

you first

Actually I kind of anticipated this, the only surprise is that it might be steeper than expected, which kind of sucks.



86. Post 2288160 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on May 27, 2013, 06:57:05 PM
Enough to break the trendline?  Grin

That's the wrong one. The one matters goes from 50 through 79 which should still be intact. (I haven't checked though)



87. Post 2288225 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on May 27, 2013, 07:03:50 PM
Enough to break the trendline?  Grin

That's the wrong one. The one matters goes from 50 through 79 which should still be intact. (I haven't checked though)

This one?



Well yes and no, if you draw it on a linear scale anyhow. (disclaimer! I don't use trendlines)



88. Post 2288658 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

this guy seems pretty determined...



89. Post 2288979 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: TheKoziTwo on May 27, 2013, 08:10:53 PM
It was bought in rapid, multiple chunks. Kind of looked like someone buying their own wall, mixed with a few panic buyers and bots. Either that, or there where a lot of buyers ready to buy.... if it was one buyer it would have made sense to just buy it all in one go.

Can somebody explain to me what the purpose of that would be?

The only thing I can think of is somebody trying to prop up mtgox volume relative to other exchanges, is that it?



90. Post 2289574 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on May 27, 2013, 09:22:41 PM
The market is stunned.  Cheesy

No wonder after this




91. Post 2297126 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.00h):

Quote from: dexX7 on May 28, 2013, 04:55:23 PM

I requote, just to be sure nobody gets that wrong:

Quote
Bitcoin processing temporarily suspended
5/27/2013
Dear customers, we are currently suspending bitcoin processing.

https://www.okpay.com/en/company/news/bitcoin-okpay-terms-of-use.html

It's not the first time they done this, but the question remains: what is the reason and how is it linked to Gox?

My guess is they are waiting to see what happens with the dwolla account. They are in a similar situation, not necessarily affected themselves but the exchanges would be.
It's a precaution, for them it's better to lose a little business for the time than have to risk a mass of disgruntled consumers with frozen funds.



92. Post 2310485 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

I don't think anybody was speaking of Bitcoin itself rather than exchanges and anti money laundering regulations.



93. Post 2310632 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: IG0BR0KE on May 29, 2013, 07:45:19 PM

If you're interested

Mt. Gox case is different from LibertyReserve - Mt. Gox was focused solely on registration, warrant is here: http://money.cnn.com/interactive/technology/dhs-mtgox-bitcoin/index.html?iid=EL

We all have seen that. Still wondering about the close temporal proximity, or lets call it quick succession. Maybe, this all originates at the same office, bureaucrats you know.  Tongue
Maybe they have "Internet month" and next month they are after something different, like credit card fraud or fake bills.



94. Post 2310930 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Rampion on May 29, 2013, 08:25:07 PM
I don't think anybody was speaking of Bitcoin itself rather than exchanges and anti money laundering regulations.

He was speaking about Bitcoin because he made a precisa reference about the Fincen statement that cited explicitly Bitcoin. 

That was still about exchanges.



95. Post 2312546 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Coinseeker on May 29, 2013, 10:53:22 PM
I wish you "bulls" would put your money were your mouths are and start BUYING!!  At least we'd have some action.  As far as I can tell, that's why you hate FUD...because you're so easily shaken in your faith.

FUD is what placed Hitler in power.

Or...maybe it was just his support to void the Treaty of Versailles, which was hugely unpopular, that placed Hitler in power.  Maybe.

Nice!



Adam, I think it's time for a new thread!



96. Post 2321625 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: bitcodo on May 30, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
This CHOO CHOO is becoming annoying (just like GO CHIKUN on btc-e).

Hope this train si going to

so you will stop writing like you are retarded.

interestingly that doesn't seem to generate the same amount of outburst as the pig vs. chainsaw gif I posted.



97. Post 2322129 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

This needs an ask wall to work.



98. Post 2322416 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: wonkytonky on May 30, 2013, 08:20:02 PM
maybe the seller wanted to buy up bitstamps wall .. then again.. why wouldn't he slowly sell and then buy bitstamps wall.

That wouldn't really make sense since the wall is higher than he sold for.



99. Post 2334038 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

I get the distinct impression that this is a meta-wall, meaning it appears as from somebody pushing the market in the opposite direction of the sediment in the wall observer thread.

They are observing back!



100. Post 2334101 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on May 31, 2013, 10:21:30 PM
I get the distinct impression that this is a meta-wall, meaning it appears as from somebody pushing the market in the opposite direction of the sediment in the wall observer thread.

They are observing back!

So they know we would interpret this as bearish, while in fact they are bullish?

But what if they also though we would think about that?  Cheesy

I don't really know whenever that is really bullish or bearish.

If you consider that this thread was meant to undermine the manipulation from walls the wall placers are now attempting to undermine the attempt of undermining this manipulation.


I figure it looks something like this.



101. Post 2334207 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Miz4r on May 31, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
Aren't you overestimating the importance of a thread on a forum? I doubt even 10% of all the traders are reading this thread. And it's mostly nonsense what's written here too. Tongue

Well, that's hard to find out. At least the wall observer hive-mind seems think that, otherwise there wouldn't be various news pasted in here.



102. Post 2347039 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: lebing on June 02, 2013, 08:34:54 AM
Tempted to put my no touchy fiat in at 120...

Anyone have an explanation for this sell?

Expectation of a 2011 situation



103. Post 2347148 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Here come the askwalls



104. Post 2347237 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: smoothie on June 02, 2013, 09:01:58 AM
What's the reverse of up Up UP?

down Down DOWN?  Wink

DOWN Down down

Or side side side.

I'm just happy I was able to cash out my monthly self-allowance at a nice premium to the current price.

Need to pay bills, fund projects, eat good foodzz.

Bitcoin I love you no matter what direction you are going.  Tongue

You did fail on your last prediction though. You know the one where we are at 140 by the end of last month...



105. Post 2348217 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

If it goes anywhere near 50 we plunge below it. A triple bottom just doesn't happen on these time scales.



106. Post 2348246 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Zarathustra on June 02, 2013, 12:14:32 PM

Nothing's impossible. Bitcoin could be trading for $10, $50, $100 or even higher over the next few months.


That's wrong. Everything's impossible, except the one and only possible past and future. There is only one world. Possibilities are existing in our brains only.

The scientific consensus on quantum theory disagrees with you on that.



107. Post 2358641 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

DOWN Down down
 Cheesy



108. Post 2360476 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Rampion on June 03, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
Check this techcrunch article, it comes with the ultimate perma-bull calculator, you can tweak different variables in it (including % of success for BTC) and get how much one BTC will be worth.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/02/calculating-the-long-term-value-of-a-bitcoin/

I will tell you something: regardless of what you put in that calculator, it goes to high 4 digits, and it tells you:

BUY

I just entered 0.01% everywhere with 100% success rate and got $66.



109. Post 2360519 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Rampion on June 03, 2013, 06:12:30 PM
Check this techcrunch article, it comes with the ultimate perma-bull calculator, you can tweak different variables in it (including % of success for BTC) and get how much one BTC will be worth.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/02/calculating-the-long-term-value-of-a-bitcoin/

I will tell you something: regardless of what you put in that calculator, it goes to high 4 digits, and it tells you:

BUY

I just entered 0.01% everywhere with 100% success rate and got $66.

What?? I cannot enter less than 1%

Well I can.



110. Post 2361750 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.01h):

Quote from: Miz4r on June 03, 2013, 08:29:15 PM
Looking at past action, you would always do well to hold (unless you can call those tops and bottoms like a pro - but do you want to get caught with your pants down considering what we are talking about with BTC?)

Interesting...
If really you want to be the careful type, shouldn't you wait on the sideline with your fiat ready, as price has a tendency to fall faster than going up?

There's always the fear of a black swan event rocketing bitcoin into the sky. I don't know why, but I think many bulls have this fear including myself. I don't like to sit on the sidelines for too long, I can sit out a weekend but that's it really. Tongue

Just like the Christians fear of the rapture and the Scientologists fear of the return of Xenu. 



111. Post 2368724 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

If you draw a trend-line from one wick to the next it is broken if another wick crosses it. That's just the way it is, sorry the trendlines are broken.
The best you can hope for is a "false breakout".



112. Post 2368876 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: Miz4r on June 04, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
If you draw a trend-line from one wick to the next it is broken if another wick crosses it. That's just the way it is, sorry the trendlines are broken.
The best you can hope for is a "false breakout".

Well I often see shakeout candles falling way below the supporting trendline (but open and close is above support) and then bouncing up again. The oppposite is called a 'shooting star' I believe. So I don't care if you call it a breakout or not, I'm just not convinced the support line is invalidated.

Candlesticks work independently from trend lines. What you have to remember is that the beginning and end of a candlestick is somewhat arbitrary from a price perspective. Each candle stick represents the same duration during successive time periods while the wicks are the respective highs and lows.
You can draw a trend line from one wick to another (still it is not optimal since the time of the price extrema isn't entirely correct) but it kind of works. The candles themselves however only have meaning in relation to each other in the form of recognizable patterns which for which it is unrelated where they occur, just if they do.

Right now they indicate a sideways trend, not a reversal.



113. Post 2378285 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 05, 2013, 12:20:09 PM
Nice, so you actually didn't pull your prediction out of your ass, but used (polynomial) regression on historical data (not sure if it's wise to exclude bubble data/outliers, though). I respect that.

But do you want to know what is the single biggest assumption you make in your analysis, an assumption that some (including me) would consider completely unfounded, and in fact completely unrealistic?

That there is a single underlying growth function that governed the price of btc over the entire course of the data you looked at, and will continue to govern it.

Sure, you're free to make this assumption. But with that assumption removed, your analysis falls apart.

So suddenly there is the call for scientific rigor, when the results do not match your expectations?
Awesome!

Oh and take a hint, the result wouldn't differ much if someone were to use the method you suggested.



114. Post 2378411 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 05, 2013, 12:33:30 PM
Nice, so you actually didn't pull your prediction out of your ass, but used (polynomial) regression on historical data (not sure if it's wise to exclude bubble data/outliers, though). I respect that.

But do you want to know what is the single biggest assumption you make in your analysis, an assumption that some (including me) would consider completely unfounded, and in fact completely unrealistic?

That there is a single underlying growth function that governed the price of btc over the entire course of the data you looked at, and will continue to govern it.

Sure, you're free to make this assumption. But with that assumption removed, your analysis falls apart.

So suddenly there is the call for scientific rigour, when the results do not match your expectations?
Awesome!

Oh and take a hint, the result wouldn't differ much if someone were to use the method you suggested.

You're funny when you try too hard: I didn't suggest any method. I simply formulated the assumption made in sarc's analysis.

And "the result wouldn't differ much"? You're kidding, I hope. Simply (yet unrealistically) assuming that, say, growth was determined by one function up to January 2013, and another one following January 2013, would probably put us into the 500? 5000? (can't be arsed to calculate this now) range right now.

Which is obviously not where we are. Hence: unrealistic assumption as well, as noted above.

One can never try too hard, when accomplishing something it doesn't matter.
I am not assuming a thing, you are accusing me of such assumption. To spell it out for you: No the course doesn't necessarily follow any trendline or exponential slope.

Trendlines and exponential slopes are common tools however to formulate models from which results an expectation. It's factual. No more or less valid than any of the other trends posted here.



115. Post 2378476 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 05, 2013, 12:49:04 PM
Nice, so you actually didn't pull your prediction out of your ass, but used (polynomial) regression on historical data (not sure if it's wise to exclude bubble data/outliers, though). I respect that.

But do you want to know what is the single biggest assumption you make in your analysis, an assumption that some (including me) would consider completely unfounded, and in fact completely unrealistic?

That there is a single underlying growth function that governed the price of btc over the entire course of the data you looked at, and will continue to govern it.

Sure, you're free to make this assumption. But with that assumption removed, your analysis falls apart.

So suddenly there is the call for scientific rigour, when the results do not match your expectations?
Awesome!

Oh and take a hint, the result wouldn't differ much if someone were to use the method you suggested.

You're funny when you try too hard: I didn't suggest any method. I simply formulated the assumption made in sarc's analysis.

And "the result wouldn't differ much"? You're kidding, I hope. Simply (yet unrealistically) assuming that, say, growth was determined by one function up to January 2013, and another one following January 2013, would probably put us into the 500? 5000? (can't be arsed to calculate this now) range right now.

Which is obviously not where we are. Hence: unrealistic assumption as well, as noted above.

One can never try too hard, when accomplishing something it doesn't matter.
I am not assuming a thing, you are accusing me of such assumption. To spell it out for you: No the course doesn't necessarily follow any trendline or exponential slope.

Trendlines and exponential slopes are common tools however to formulate models from which results an expectation. It's factual. No more or less valid than any of the other trends posted here.

Last reply I'm gonna make on this topic. Promised.

Had you bothered to read my post history, you could have noticed that I *consistently* make the point that I don't believe in *the* trendline/growth function/etc governing: price = market behavior = human behavior.

Which is why I don't like it if you accuse me of selectively appllying that rigor only when it is convenient for me. I make this point all the time, when talking about bullish trendlines and bearish ones. Assuming that there is *the* magical growth function that holds once and forever is delusional, therefore any analysis that plots such a line needs to be taken with huge grains of salt. (Note: I'm not saying "should be completely dismissed")

If that is true we are in agreement.



116. Post 2378643 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

That chart may actually be the 7day moving average of the price or something



117. Post 2378779 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: prof7bit on June 05, 2013, 01:25:32 PM
not when it's logged. try it with numbers above and below 1.
No. Add parenthesis just to be sure. Your graph is wrong, the one at bitcoincharts is correct.

oh boy



118. Post 2379252 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: sarc on June 05, 2013, 02:25:13 PM
@prof7bit

Calm down, please. You're going as far as accusing sarc of posting false information on purpose, when all that goes on in reality is a disagreement about the math behind what was posted here.

My take on it (already mentioned above, shortened version to follow):

I don't know exactly what sarc did in his model, but if the dispute between you and him boils down to plotting the data on a chart with a log n y-axis vs. plotting the data on a chart with a log n+1 y-axis, then there is no dispute. The two are, for our purposes, equivalent.

If that's not the point of your dispute, I'm sorry that I missed it.

I think he might be being facetious for a laugh...oh and to deny the need to sell his bitcoins.

Actually this is about if other people would consider selling them.



119. Post 2379311 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: Richy_T on June 05, 2013, 02:26:38 PM
@prof7bit

Calm down, please. You're going as far as accusing sarc of posting false information on purpose, when all that goes on in reality is a disagreement about the math behind what was posted here.

My take on it (already mentioned above, shortened version to follow):

I don't know exactly what sarc did in his model, but if the dispute between you and him boils down to plotting the data on a chart with a log n y-axis vs. plotting the data on a chart with a log n+1 y-axis, then there is no dispute. The two are, for our purposes, equivalent.

If that's not the point of your dispute, I'm sorry that I missed it.

No. Adding a constant before taking the log of an exponential function distorts the curve. You would only add a constant if the exponential was starting from an offset (to counteract that offset).

If there is an offset in the bitcoin price (unlikely but possible), there is absolutely no reason to assume it is $1.

You are missing the point. A trendline is to best match the development of the price, and if it does match it is consistent and can be used as a model for an expectation.
One could even estimate the "offset" systematically to better match the graph and this would be as valid or even more valid than doing otherwise.



120. Post 2392218 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: dexX7 on June 06, 2013, 05:36:14 PM
Interesting ... this is the first time in a few days that that a 'sell-off' below 120 has stayed there for more than a few seconds ...

Where is the  'Invisible Hand' ??



It's fuzzy, but the support is definitely there. Picture for Bitstamp.
Why do the edges of your channel touch the graph only in one point?



121. Post 2394438 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: zemario on June 06, 2013, 09:30:38 PM
True. However, if bitcoin is going to have wider adoption, the price has to go up to accommodate a larger slice of world economy.

The price of Bitcoin is largely irrelevant to economic activity. XRP for instance has a theoretical market cap several times that of Bitcoin, yet nobody really uses ripple right now.



122. Post 2394563 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: zemario on June 06, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
True. However, if bitcoin is going to have wider adoption, the price has to go up to accommodate a larger slice of world economy.

The price of Bitcoin is largely irrelevant to economic activity. XRP for instance has a theoretical market cap several times that of Bitcoin, yet nobody really uses ripple right now.

How does a currency provides the nuts and bolts for an economy that has a value flow larger than it?

It isn't flowing, that's kind of my point. As long as the currency sits in every bodies wallets as a "store of value" and so few people are using it as a payment system the discrepancy between the theoretical market cap (all currency times the price) becomes so large that the effect of real economic activity is basically nil.



123. Post 2397114 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

We might be in the early phases of the slow long slide.



124. Post 2397128 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: lucas.sev on June 07, 2013, 02:39:08 AM
We might be in the early phases of the slow long slide.

Early phases? We are in the slide for few weeks now. Slide of pain and broken hopes, and lower highs Tongue

I am talking about months here, if it happens.



125. Post 2397695 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.02h):

Quote from: ineededausername on June 07, 2013, 03:43:46 AM
Given the current stability, I'm hesitant to characterize this as a 2011 burst rather than a late 2012-type correction.

Also the 2011 bubble inflated much higher, much faster, for much less reason. This time there was a lot of reason for a decent rise, and it rose less and slower. It just makes sense that it would fall less far in the aftermath.

Agreed.

No.

The April spike went truly hyperbolic, in contrast to 2011 and 2012 which were both exponential.
Then the situation is now is different than 2011 and 2012 in another way: In 11 we had fairly decent ask side in relation to bids which is now pathetic in relationship and in 12 we had massive bid walls popping up occasionally and the correction was caused by a ask wall, all with relatively low trading volume. Now we need volume and big time in order to break out of the sideways movement because both the top and the bounce had so much of it.

It is those who have enough ammunition to make the necessary market orders who will decide the outcome this time.



126. Post 2410253 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.03h):

People who went "all in" at 50 do care.



127. Post 2410300 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.03h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 08, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
People who went "all in" at 50 do care.

If they are all in at $50 and scared of a crash then they are over extended and should reduce their exposure ... at a profit. What a terrible problem to be faced with  Cheesy

They should, of course but people don't act rational that way.



128. Post 2410387 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.03h):

Quote from: Rampion on June 08, 2013, 10:55:49 AM
People who went "all in" at 50 do care.

I'm all in and I don't give a shit. I will fall and raise with BTC  Wink

Being reckless with your decisions doesn't mean you are indifferent about them. Wink



129. Post 2411388 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.03h):

Quote from: michaelGedi on June 08, 2013, 01:34:49 PM

what happens when the cross on the all time chart?

do we get rich?

The cross is arbitrary and that isn't the all time chart.



130. Post 2414551 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.03h):

Somebody is playing a wall game over at btc-e first it was a buywall at 109 now its an askwall at the same place.



131. Post 2414615 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.03h):

Quote from: sarc on June 08, 2013, 08:50:52 PM
Somebody is playing a wall game over at btc-e first it was a buywall at 109 now its an askwall at the same place.

Ha! that's brilliant, seems like there should be a bouncing white dot going between the two walls!

No the previous one was sold into and partly removed.



132. Post 2419038 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.03h):

Quote from: Le Happy Merchant on June 09, 2013, 10:27:20 AM
It feels great, when logic and rational thinking trump, the ideological ignorance, that dominates this forum.  It feels great to shove it in your face and everyone on this board who's had something stupid to say, repeating the same BS, that defied common sense and reason.  I relish this moment.  Will any of you wake up and accept you're living in a dream world of delusions?  Probably not.  But at least you and I know...man to man...your ideology and your rhetoric is crap.

My job is done here.

Just thought you should know, your ignore button is almost as dark as Matthew N. Wright. I think I am one of the few people who hasn't ignored you yet. I don't mind opposing positions to mine, but it turns out you're just a jerk. Congrats on alienating the community, and don't worry, I don't think people will rub your face in the rebound.

Yeah Coinseeker pretty much took over from me in the job as the "scapebear", does a pretty good job.



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134. Post 2443256 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

rpietila is back guys



135. Post 2443314 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: Jozzaboy on June 11, 2013, 07:55:21 PM
rpietila is back guys

I think he is the most bullish news we have had in awhile. Look at the market go! About to break 110 after the 80s, what a recovery!

Hahaha



136. Post 2446068 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: ineededausername on June 12, 2013, 01:31:03 AM
I wonder when Loaded will come back to stop the downturn.  Perhaps we need to say his name three times.

Loaded, Loaded, Loaded!

I'd rather think he'll take us to single digits, than buying more coins.



137. Post 2450474 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: billington.mark on June 12, 2013, 12:32:23 PM
starting to get a little more exciting now Smiley

Rally is called off, everyone go home.

"A watched pot never boils"

Everyone close down clarkmoody\bitcoincharts\bitcoinity\mtgoxlive\etc so the price can jump up...

If you pour hot water out of the tap into a pot your attention span must be about the one of a ADD patient not to be able to watch it.



138. Post 2454708 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: lucas.sev on June 12, 2013, 07:45:34 PM
Maybe you are right. I'm here to learn.
I am certain manipulation is going on.
If I had a shitload of coins I would try to kickstart the price with the fiat from previous dumps, let the bulls do the rest and then keep dumping to that range.

edit Any lower would ensure bear market for prolonged time. which would mean I have to wait to long for recovery

Yeah the thing is there are no bulls. Even the 111 and then 112 did not trigger any market making transactions, as some inc. Adam predicted ("I will be panic buying at 111 like everyone else". The only way is down.

As long as there is no down-turn there is no rush for that.



139. Post 2455201 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on June 12, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
Nah there's enough bulls. Only thing is they want 'cheap' coins at sub 80...
so everybody's waiting for further crashing/deflation.
We just need to wait for the impatient to make a move.
some might call this 'consolidaition' but I think most are just waiting for 'cheap' coins
we have to go to at least 'cheap' coins before we go 'up,up,up'

Up up up and then new people want cheaps coins and then the people after them etc

I don't want cheap coins, I want free dollars.

Long term bulls are super long time bears....



140. Post 2455347 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on June 12, 2013, 08:46:46 PM
Nah there's enough bulls. Only thing is they want 'cheap' coins at sub 80...
so everybody's waiting for further crashing/deflation.
We just need to wait for the impatient to make a move.
some might call this 'consolidaition' but I think most are just waiting for 'cheap' coins
we have to go to at least 'cheap' coins before we go 'up,up,up'

Up up up and then new people want cheaps coins and then the people after them etc

I don't want cheap coins, I want free dollars.

Long term bulls are super long time bears....

I'm a long term bull. Super longtime I'll likely be dead. If my demise can be diverted (or considerably postponed) I'll change my investment strategies accordingly.

I'm planning to be alive and kickin in two decades, don't know about you. I would be severely disappointed if nothing has come up which out-innovated bitcoin big scale, not the future I have in mind...



141. Post 2455416 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on June 12, 2013, 08:50:43 PM
Nah there's enough bulls. Only thing is they want 'cheap' coins at sub 80...
so everybody's waiting for further crashing/deflation.
We just need to wait for the impatient to make a move.
some might call this 'consolidaition' but I think most are just waiting for 'cheap' coins
we have to go to at least 'cheap' coins before we go 'up,up,up'

Up up up and then new people want cheaps coins and then the people after them etc

I don't want cheap coins, I want free dollars.

Long term bulls are super long time bears....

I'm a long term bull. Super longtime I'll likely be dead. If my demise can be diverted (or considerably postponed) I'll change my investment strategies accordingly.

I'm planning to be alive and kickin in two decades, don't know about you. I would be severely disappointed if nothing has come up which out-innovated bitcoin big scale, not the future I have in mind...

Twp decades barely classifies as long term, let alone super long term. Super long term is a couple of centuries.

Well everybody is different. Then in your eyes I am a mid term bull long time bear. I think there is a significant chance that humanity is extinct in your super long term.



142. Post 2456112 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: 10c on June 12, 2013, 10:07:13 PM
we all want cheap coins to profit from them. even the most bullish


except the buy-and-holders.

Nah, I'd still buy some cheap coins.

Dollar cost averaging.

But I'm sure there are people out there that put most of their investment money into BTC at a high price and are still holding. When price plummets, they can purchase more, but their average cost per BTC is still going to be high.

But fellas like you with deep pockets it's a different story. During a crash you might be able to match the initial investment to bring the average cost of BTC so low that you are then almost at break-even.



I don't have deep pocket's but the averaging thing doesn't hold up for all of us.
I'm a relatively newcomer and am trying to make a living on BTC without daytrading.
This is harder then it sounds.
 

I'd say it's unrealistic to expect succeeding in such an effort unless you have masters in math/computer science and/or finance. And in that case you probably won't need bitcoin to make a decent living...



143. Post 2482208 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

gogogo!




144. Post 2482548 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: ronaldlee0917 on June 15, 2013, 12:40:58 PM
bid/ask sum has just crossed price, bullish signal.

They are both on dfferent scales ... change the scale and you can make them cross anywhere you want  Wink

No, they share the same unit - usd per btc and same scale.
I was referring to the first graph, if you disagreee, you'd better go for an eye check.

It's coincidental.



145. Post 2482585 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.04h):

Quote from: prof7bit on June 15, 2013, 12:48:59 PM
bid/ask sum has just crossed price, bullish signal.
They are both on dfferent scales ... change the scale and you can make them cross anywhere you want  Wink
No, they share the same unit - usd per btc and same scale.
I was referring to the first graph, if you disagreee, you'd better go for an eye check.
It's coincidental.
No, its intentional.


Maybe Wink



146. Post 2495501 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

You know what would be ironic?

If rpietila was behind the rally all along basically on his own and he's making all this stuff up so he can unload them. If he is who he claims he is, that would make sense from the perspective of a hard-core silver bug. Seeing Bitcoin as an competitor who could be profitably stopped with a quick pump&dump.



147. Post 2495590 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: Jozzaboy on June 17, 2013, 01:09:01 AM
You know what would be ironic?

If rpietila was behind the rally all along basically on his own and he's making all this stuff up so he can unload them. If he is who he claims he is, that would make sense from the perspective of a hard-core silver bug. Seeing Bitcoin as an competitor who could be profitably stopped with a quick pump&dump.

Well he still has a good quarter million dollars worth left? Wouldn't it make sense to unload when we have all these bids? I'm betting on long term bull, at least a year.

If I am right on this he would have quite a bunch more than that. But we probably only know till after the fact, if ever.



148. Post 2500671 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 17, 2013, 04:26:12 PM
buy now or panic buy at 111, 180 in 10 business days   Cool

panic buy now and sell at 109.99 in 2 days. Tongue



149. Post 2503892 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: Odalv on June 17, 2013, 10:20:59 PM
Yeah, back to the TA debate !!

BTW  I am a Belieber in its value as part of a trading strategy. Like you say, its about cutting losses and running winners ... TA often gives a good indicator of entry point but not necessarily direction. Other times it gives a good indicator of future direction but the timing is the risk.
Its one of many tools to have in your Bitbelt

If you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail ... thats the trap

TA tells me btc=$39 ... FA tells me btc=$300,000 USD ... current price $100
1) using TA sell ALL (  2.5 times more ... in zero sum game )
2) using FA keep ALL ( 3000 times more .. no(almost zero) risk )



"The fundamentals are sound." —Famous last words of every Wall Street cheerleader in history



150. Post 2509013 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: Miz4r on June 18, 2013, 12:48:53 PM
don't forget the bubble deflation in general

What bubble deflation? You mean this?



Image taken from https://twitter.com/SirBitsALot

Both the run up and in conclusion the run down are taking longer this year than 2 years ago. Gotta scale it, it's gonna line up much better then, but the picture ain't not so bullish as you armchair manipulators want it to.



151. Post 2509063 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: Miz4r on June 18, 2013, 01:07:58 PM
Both the run up and in conclusion the run down are taking longer this year than 2 years ago. Gotta scale it, it's gonna line up much better then, but the picture ain't not so bullish as you armchair manipulators want it to.

So are you back to being a care bear again? The picture isn't really bullish by the way, more sideway-ish for the short or mid term with main support sitting around 100. I don't believe we can sustain an increase above 150 before the end of this year, so I'm really not all that bullish as you might think.

In the long run its either new highs or new lows, wait a few minutes I think I'm going to make that comparison in a more fitting manner..



152. Post 2509344 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):



Here is for a revised 2011-2013 comparison. We are still very new to bear land in that perspective.



153. Post 2510270 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 18, 2013, 03:15:40 PM


Here is for a revised 2011-2013 comparison. We are still very new to bear land in that perspective.

Why do people have this urge to see the similarities alone in cases where it fits their argument, but ignore the differences that would counter or at least weaken that argument?




CMF, A/D: 2011 vs 2013







Disclaimer: I'm getting a bit sick of having to include this statement every time, but here it goes: I'm not a bull, far from it. No predictions that we'll hit 200 next month from me. I'm not a bear either however, and I'm very much undecided about the question whether the correction/bubble deflation is largely over yet or not.




Here is the thing, I can't possibly think of every technicality which wouldn't fit this correlation, there are just too many. (like the indicators you posted for instance).
I don't use volume based indicators, but I don't ignore them, they are just not relevant for my style of trading. (Actually I don't really use the correlation I posted either, I just wanted to point out that it exists.)



154. Post 2510498 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 18, 2013, 03:45:54 PM
[...]

Here is the thing, I can't possibly think of every technicality which wouldn't fit this correlation, there are just too many. (like the indicators you posted for instance).
I don't use volume based indicators, but I don't ignore them, they are just not relevant for my style of trading.

Fair enough. It's just that I don't look at the indicators (volume based or not) in isolation but try to see how they fit in with what I believe to be the market sentiment.

And the way it looks to me, that sentiment is very different now than it was in 2011. I wasn't around in 2011, but judging by the forum posts here for example, there is substantially more optimism around today than back then. So if this is continuing deflation, it sure looks like it has to overcome some real resistance by the market. But, yes, maybe that's how it'll play out in the end.

Hmm, I just use the sediment to choose the size of my position, in relation to my capital. In a sense my own greed and fear is related to the one of you guys. Some times I am "in phase" some times "out of phase".
It's too bad I don't have a systematic approach for that. The kind of my position is not really related to market sediment, at least I try to keep it that way.



155. Post 2510730 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: Jozzaboy on June 18, 2013, 04:17:47 PM
Wallzilla being chewed ATM, seems legit

Crazy whales buying +$500k in coins at $108 when they could buy below $100? What's up with them? What are they smoking?

They didn't know it was going to go up to $108, and they want Bitcoins.  Hindsight is always 20/20..

But... But... look at the depth... If he pulls that $500k wall the price will slide down till at least $105, probably till $102... Buying $2, $3 or $4 cheaper it's always better, with that volume we are speaking about 100BTC more... Enough to be a supernode!! Wink

The greater good. Showing people that this is a good buy in point by staking his own capital. This is market confidence.

It's called bait and switch.



156. Post 2511040 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Well as for bait, there is something going on...
Bids before the wall are regularly sweeped.




157. Post 2511254 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 18, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
[...] The kind of my position is not really related to market sediment, at least I try to keep it that way.

I guess you trade quite often/short term then. Probably makes sense in that case. I try to not trade more than once every 2 weeks or so, cause: lazyness. Also, sediment?

You guessed correctly. I am USD when I do not have a entry point where I know my exit condition in under 3 days.



158. Post 2521500 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: barbs on June 19, 2013, 04:58:31 PM
Hitting a high in the same month 55% up from day 1 that's pretty incredible if you think about it imagine timing that one right! The past few weeks have been a stalemate.  No such short trading opportunity for a while

What are you talking about? 100-> 110 in 2 days.
That was not only pretty profitable but also utterly predictable on my watch.



159. Post 2522475 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: 420 on June 19, 2013, 06:34:46 PM
where the fuck is proudho(r)n ?

He clearly stated he left us and that he never really meant a thing he said... I think he'll come back if it ever goes above 250 again.



160. Post 2522507 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.05h):

Quote from: Odalv on June 19, 2013, 06:48:36 PM
where the fuck is proudho(r)n ?

He clearly stated he left us and that he never really meant a thing he said... I think he'll come back if it ever goes above 250 again.

he left only speculation forum

Yes that is what I meant.



161. Post 2530195 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Voktar on June 20, 2013, 12:45:56 PM
For excatly that reason, price couldn't go otherside that up, i think, no one is gonna sell now

Flawless logic right there. Grin

Of course that doesn't stop me from selling regardless, getting a better price and hence more fiat to suck out. Not let me stop you from throwing your money into a black hole.
FYI: I left gox long before this whole thing started.



162. Post 2530291 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Voktar on June 20, 2013, 01:05:09 PM
For excatly that reason, price couldn't go otherside that up, i think, no one is gonna sell now

Flawless logic right there. Grin

Of course that doesn't stop me from selling regardless, getting a better price and hence more fiat to suck out.

Yeah, i know it's flawless logic, excuse me  Grin Grin

But a little buy pressure for at least a few days is expected, at least i expect it. Some people need cash, so they are gonna buy and sell at other exchanges.

After the two weeks i expect the price to go down again thought.

Ony speculating, but more times i'm wrong that right  Tongue

Lemme ask you something: Will you actually wire money to gox under these conditions?
If not: What kind of person do you think would?
If you don't have an answer: What do you think consists of buying "pressure"?



163. Post 2531566 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Richy_T on June 20, 2013, 03:20:37 PM




164. Post 2532186 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Maybe we finally have consistently increasing spread to the point that it becomes the major trend. Perhaps people trapped on gox will pay a 20% premium.. So gox to 120 and other exchanges to 100.



165. Post 2535182 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on June 20, 2013, 09:47:12 PM
Bitfinex (Bitstamp) now @ $103.50 and people are still leveraged long up to their ears.

Good luck unloading.  Grin

I said 20% spread and I mean it, pump it to 120 already! Grin



166. Post 2536934 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on June 21, 2013, 01:30:49 AM
Wow... Bitstamp in free fall.

Now, when will MtGox follow?   Grin

I just know there will be several posts regarding a reason that it supposedly will not happen at all.



167. Post 2542121 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: mtgox
"taking one for the team"

hahaha oh wow.

what a joke.  Roll Eyes



168. Post 2550810 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Final nail in mtgox coffin?



169. Post 2558618 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: lucas.sev on June 23, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
LOL, now the Bitcoin Foundation is a money transmiter bussines? Cease an desist order here -> http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/149335233?access_key=key-2lnhtenm4qb1mydngxac&allow_share=false&show_recommendations=false

What a joke, i wonder how they got that misleading info.

can someone explain why they should be a money transmitter?

Because they have created an org that is a central point of contact for money transmission businesses. Remember that whole "centralization is evil" thing? Well they did it anyway.

Well if they disappear nothing happens to bitcoin.

Still a pretty crafty piece of work in regards to creating FUD.



170. Post 2558931 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Pale Phoenix on June 23, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
But there is any specific reasons of why they are "transmitting money" in the document? Can't read it all now.

No, there is no specific allegation in the document, just a general admonishment against violating the statute. California clearly has their wires crossed because, even under the most expansive interpretation of the law, the foundation is not a money transmitter.

They cannot be a money transmitter simply for advocating for Bitcoin as there are first amendment issues preventing regulation of that type of speech.

The point here is: They are a conglomerate of mtgox, bitpay and others which do fit the term money transmitter.



171. Post 2559033 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on June 23, 2013, 05:44:43 PM
But there is any specific reasons of why they are "transmitting money" in the document? Can't read it all now.

No, there is no specific allegation in the document, just a general admonishment against violating the statute. California clearly has their wires crossed because, even under the most expansive interpretation of the law, the foundation is not a money transmitter.

They cannot be a money transmitter simply for advocating for Bitcoin as there are first amendment issues preventing regulation of that type of speech.

The point here is: They are a conglomerate of mtgox, bitpay and others which do fit the term money transmitter.

What if the state already knows they aren't a money transmitter but are looking to engage the membership all at once. Some of them are money transmitters. Remember, California is broke. Fines represent real income for the state. On a side note, they just raised the parking meter violation fine next to my house in SF. It's $90 now! This place is fucked!

Yes that also makes sense, understanding how Buerocrats think isn't that hard...



172. Post 2562075 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 24, 2013, 12:49:06 AM
forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/06/23/bitcoin-foundation-receives-cease-and-desist-order-from-california/

Bye, BTC Foundation

Let them take some heat for all the others with less legal backing. This might be the test if the foundation is worth the donations they receive. If they opt for claims that delay a decision on the case for years, they will not get my money for years.


Quote
California’s Department of Financial Institutions decided to issue a cease and desist warning to conference organizer Bitcoin Foundation for allegedly engaging in the business ...
thanks for the warning lol!

weird news is weird

bitcoin will go UP! Wink

It's quite stupid to try to call a bureaucrats bluff.
The reason bureaucracy has been so successful historically is that you lose even if you do.



173. Post 2567751 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Ok admit it, who's selling?

I find Jaroslaw quite dull tbh. The funny is in your reaction to him.



174. Post 2567813 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Jaroslaw on June 24, 2013, 04:55:03 PM
Ok admit it, who's selling?

Me obiously Smiley Ive said i will close today session under $100, im honest guy

You know that you can provide cryptographic proof over the control of a Bitcoin private key?

sncr, but the people ignoring Jaroslaw probably have me on their list since ages Smiley



175. Post 2567847 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: Jaroslaw on June 24, 2013, 05:01:35 PM
Ok admit it, who's selling?

Me obiously Smiley Ive said i will close today session under $100, im honest guy

You know that you can provide cryptographic proof over the control of a Bitcoin private key?

sncr, but the people ignoring Jaroslaw probably have me on their list since ages Smiley

i need to un-ignore you to read but i dont care either you belivme me or not, i just said it. Deal with it.

You go back to my ignore list Cheesy

Everybody ignore everyone! Grin



176. Post 2567865 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on June 24, 2013, 05:01:46 PM
Probably Smoothie.

No, Me, me, me!
I have to catch up with him Grin



177. Post 2569932 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.06h):

Come on gox move! Grin




178. Post 2588246 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: Richy_T on June 26, 2013, 08:08:53 PM
Ripple is great, IMO. It has incredible potential as a payment system and is far more versatile than bitcoin in that regard. In that way, since you can move in and out of so many currencies and IOU issuers, Ripple could be very useful for arbitraging. Too early at this point, though.

Ripple will either end with a whimper, as people realize what a bad idea it is, or with a bang, as people find out what a bad idea it is.

I take it you sold your ripples early? Sour Grapes?



179. Post 2608413 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: Its About Sharing on June 28, 2013, 11:44:55 PM
Well, well, well...back to double digits again.  Love all the bearish talk from the "bulls" who "saw this coming".   Grin   Pure comedy.  


Seriously, this is funnier. (There is nothing funny about backing up opinions with charts and other evidence.)



Honestly I found every fellow piss orange ignore button guy to be the most enjoyable reading experiences on this forum. But that's not me, I've found this opinion common with many people I hold respect for. (Many of which who don't even have a highlighted button)

u jelly?



180. Post 2608487 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

thanks Smiley



181. Post 2619593 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: Voodah on June 30, 2013, 04:08:47 PM
Trying for a breakout as we speak.

More like breakdown...

lolamirite??? Grin



182. Post 2623790 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: naima53 on July 01, 2013, 04:49:32 AM
Not enough activity in here so to get things rolling again...

pic

Any credence to our triangle we will solve in around 48 hours following the breakdown observed on Bitstamp? We are trading over 7% higher on Gox at this time, a price not followed on any other exchanges?

Is it possible the price is being kept artificially higher on the high volume exchange? Why?



http://www.coindesk.com/what-to-expect-at-bitcoin-london-2013/

Ok, so why have we not seen an increase in price on all the other exchanges?
Because for many the only way to withdraw fiat from Gox - is to withdraw BTC from  Gox and sell for other exchanges. There's so little of proposals purchase , a kind of dumping for the down in price other exchanges (collusion to buy coins for less of the market)

it works this way, not vice versa, as everyone here speak IMHO

No sorry it's not. if that were true Litecoin could never have risen the way it did. People transfer fiat to and from other exchanges all the time,



183. Post 2624008 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

If you are bored LTC had a nice suckers rally today. (Like you can't already tell by the suckers making threads here Grin)



184. Post 2624115 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: Voodah on July 01, 2013, 06:41:42 AM
If you are bored LTC had a nice suckers rally today. (Like you can't already tell by the suckers making threads here Grin)

Why are they rallying? They shouldn't be being so pegged to btc as they are..

mtgox mentioned Litecoin, yes  it's that pathetic.



185. Post 2630972 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on July 01, 2013, 11:39:51 PM


GG, campBx now at $0.00

Someone dumped 2k coins there all the way to 0. Poor guy probably thought there was more depth.

Auch ! 

Well, at least he made some other people very happy....

Not showing up at bitcoinity.



186. Post 2630974 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Also watching this clusterfuck isn't nearly as much fun without the lag. Grin



187. Post 2631020 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

humanitee, you know what's irony?

The Winkledouches are actually faced with the dilemma of doing just that.
Also, where is Loaded?



188. Post 2631070 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 01, 2013, 11:51:29 PM
Well, look on the bright side, at least they are not selling them now on the exchange !

You realize that anybody who buys their security does this instead of buying Bitcoins on for example Gox?

Of course one might suggest they will be propping up, which should yield pretty lulzy results in regards to volatility. Golden times folks! Smiley



189. Post 2631100 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: justusranvier on July 02, 2013, 12:01:18 AM
You realize that anybody who buys their security does this instead of buying Bitcoins on for example Gox?
It could be the case the kind of people who are willing to buy the ETF would never have been willing to buy on Mt Gox at all.

Nah, I don't think so. My rationale behind this: Whale sightings.



190. Post 2631259 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: Quantum_Negatum on July 02, 2013, 12:25:23 AM
Would anyone be surprised to learn that the Winklevoss twins were almost solely responsible for pumping Bitcoin from single to triple digits with bid-walls?

No more surprised than to hear that they now want to cash out and realise that they can't  Cheesy

Wouldn't it make more sense to take cash from the IPO to manipulate the price further before cashing out? They might have enough cash and coins to drive the price up and down at will.

Yes, I already mentioned that, it's called propping up and it leads to insane volatility or more specifically flash crashes with crazy rallies in between.



191. Post 2631342 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.07h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 02, 2013, 12:36:34 AM
Would anyone be surprised to learn that the Winklevoss twins were almost solely responsible for pumping Bitcoin from single to triple digits with bid-walls?

No more surprised than to hear that they now want to cash out and realise that they can't  Cheesy

Wouldn't it make more sense to take cash from the IPO to manipulate the price further before cashing out? They might have enough cash and coins to drive the price up and down at will.

Yes, I already mentioned that, it's called propping up and it leads to insane volatility or more specifically flash crashes with crazy rallies in between.

The IPO  IS them cashing out. Yes they can use their own cash to manipulate the price prior to an IPO, but that would mean buying more coins, the very things they are trying to get rid of. A dangerous game, especially in what is looking more and more like a bear market. And very telling that they applied at time when the price was at the psychologically significant $100 mark. Smells of FEAR to me. Perhaps they are the reason for the gap between us and other exchanges right now as they try to prop up the price

Yes it would lead to them buying more coins, but  it doesn't require irrational acting (on their part and on their clients), you are right the outcome would be disastrous.
It's a bitter-sweet paradise for daytraders... since it increases both chaos and potential gains.



192. Post 2651454 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: chairforce1 on July 04, 2013, 07:14:47 AM
ASICminer did very well for all its shareholders

im kicking myself for not buying in with my friend when it ipo'ed

Don't, at the time there was a grand chance they'd just run with the money and never do anything. Investors who took that risk got compensated.



193. Post 2652527 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: Jozzaboy on July 04, 2013, 10:12:49 AM
Maybe short at 81 then... it's slowing down.

How about no?



194. Post 2652537 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: Jozzaboy on July 04, 2013, 10:16:19 AM
Maybe short at 81 then... it's slowing down.

How about no?

Why not? I'm welcome to both sides of the story.

Do as you like, but shorting is way too dangerous for my taste.

A recovery to 90+ is very possible.



195. Post 2652554 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

The only time I made money shorting was when it actually stopped recovering but moved sideways after a selloff only to go down again.
Oh and I got wiped out on the market reversal afterwards.



196. Post 2653389 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on July 04, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
People, you don't get it. Rampion said we need to hit 50 first before we go up. So you can easily sell 100% now like he obviously also did. Unless he's full of shit ofcourse.

You and him both.
Perhaps two sides of the same coin.



197. Post 2653406 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on July 04, 2013, 01:27:43 PM
People, you don't get it. Rampion said we need to hit 50 first before we go up. So you can easily sell 100% now like he obviously also did. Unless he's full of shit ofcourse.

You and him both.
Perhaps two sides of the same coin.

Can you quote some of my claims that are full of shit?

You don't have to make claims to be full of it.



198. Post 2653425 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: humanitee on July 04, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
Funny how this works against you.

Not denying that.
Well at least I can take the piss to back it up.



199. Post 2653506 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: Rampion on July 04, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
People, you don't get it. Rampion said we need to hit 50 first before we go up. So you can easily sell 100% now like he obviously also did. Unless he's full of shit ofcourse.

You and him both.
Perhaps two sides of the same coin.

I'm no perm-bear, saying the bubble needs to deflate (to $50 or whatever the bottom will be, I have no crystal ball) is just stating the obvious.

If you think that I'm full of shit for believing we had a bubble which is now deflating, then maybe you are in denial of facts, but honestly it didn't seem so by your posts.

In my opinion you can't say with certainty for extended periods.
I made this thread once to state what I think about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189308.0



200. Post 2653712 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: Rampion on July 04, 2013, 02:08:59 PM
My point is that I don't get what is the "killer similarity" between BTC and Rhodium. Yes, Bitcoin is a "digital commodity". But its "digital" form is not only an adjective, is a very important characteristic that makes Bitcoin different from any physical commodity. It can be easily transfered, transported, hided, divided, etc. Stores of value are needed, they provide an utility, and Bitcoin is a huge improvement in utility over physical stores of value because of its convenience and "digital" characteristics. Plus, you have the blockchain, which is a fascinating, multi-use beast by itself. Then, you have colored coins applications. The possibilities Bitcoins open go well beyond its similarity with physical commodities. I really think that saying that in the long term Bitcoin will probably behave like Rhodium is baseless.

My point is it attracts the same kind of crowds, fringe types and salesmen personalities. I view Bruce Wagner, Max Kaiser or Bitcoin Jesus not different than those types who sell "Rare Rhodium Proofs" on a TV-shopping channel. It's the same kind of Gold-Digger Mentality, hordes of people thinking they are on to the next big thing.
I am probably more overall bearish than you when it comes to fundamental use of Bitcoin, but I don't think it's certain this Bubble will collapse the way it should. For all I care we could shoot back up to 200+ within a month or so.
Only within a certain short timespan of about a few days to a weeks I think Bitcoin can be predicted with enough accuracy to trade it successfully. And even then it can only be predicted in certain cases.



201. Post 2661789 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: yefi on July 05, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
1k buy came from the wall that was pulled at 67, just FYI.

1 minute after it was pulled, market order of same/very close USD went thru.

So, how long before that guy capitulates and eats into the 70 wall?

My bet he'll wait till 50 and then sell.



202. Post 2662886 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

A breakout is only a true or false breakout after the fact.



203. Post 2663488 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.08h):

Quote from: Its About Sharing on July 05, 2013, 08:01:38 PM
I'm thinking out loud so please don't take this as advice. Rather looking for comments.

You'll get my usual response for this kind of TA:

Candlestick bodies aren't suitable to derive support/resistance or derive trendlines from since they can be viewed as arbitrary in a continuously traded market like Bitcoin.
The bodies only have meaning in relationship to directly adjacent ones in the form of candlestick patterns.

What you can do instead is to find the largest volume around the target and use the that.



204. Post 2664083 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

72 apparently.



205. Post 2665041 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: seleme on July 06, 2013, 12:17:48 AM
that's jaroslaw, he bought back, now wants the price to go up.

Sucker, didn't have balls to wait more  Grin

Trolling full on he just looks to post in a way to generate the most disagreement. Wink



206. Post 2665055 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on July 06, 2013, 12:25:35 AM
As a full on Troll he just looks to post in a way to generate the most disagreement. Wink

I hope you are not referring to me, sir.

I am in fact doing what i can do save the movement. Instead, insults/accusations meet me non-stop. Not a great community imo. Maybe i just take my dolarz and leave? Is that what you want?  Huh

No I was referring to the other guy.



207. Post 2692948 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

how about this



e: aww crap ran away



208. Post 2693403 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on July 09, 2013, 09:18:53 PM
I know the great manipulator still has at least 5k BTC worth... and it haunts me.

What is he planning?

Why did he leave his bids eaten alive? Did he really want to buy?
But then, why jack up the price with a huge wall?

 Undecided


Oh please everybody knows he has over 9000 bitcoins.



209. Post 2693478 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on July 09, 2013, 09:30:08 PM
All is well that ends well.
<chart>

I see a chart.

I see lines on a chart.



210. Post 2693835 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):



Does that aesthetically please you?



211. Post 2693902 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: lucas.sev on July 09, 2013, 10:30:37 PM
Some more lines:


Any insight for those of us with no working knowledge of lineology?  Smiley

I guess it means "up" like 90% of his predictions

amidoinitrite?




212. Post 2693970 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Potato Technical AnalysisTM.



213. Post 2693997 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: samson on July 09, 2013, 10:49:32 PM
Potato Technical AnalysisTM.


Now you're talking. This is bearish right ?

If the potatos get smaller the trend weakens, so no.

"Die dümmsten Bauern haben die dicksten Kartoffeln."

But the current potato can still grow so lets see.



214. Post 2694070 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on July 09, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
Potato Technical AnalysisTM.


Is this related to Candystick analysis?

No, but who ever knows about the stuff this is pointed at should take a hint.



215. Post 2699846 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

nowkiss.png



216. Post 2700224 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: FNG on July 10, 2013, 06:22:12 PM
hoping for a dip to buy back in but for now i'm on the sidelines because i've eroded too much of my profit, my risk appetite is much much lower
The opportunity is under 80..it's vanishing quickly. Read the news, not the boards

What news?



217. Post 2700305 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: molecular on July 10, 2013, 06:31:53 PM
hoping for a dip to buy back in but for now i'm on the sidelines because i've eroded too much of my profit, my risk appetite is much much lower
The opportunity is under 80..it's vanishing quickly. Read the news, not the boards

What news?

the german news maybe? Not sure how big: http://www.bitcoin-journal.de/bitcoin-de-und-fidor-bank-ag-vereinbaren-weitgehende-partnerschaft/

bitcoin.de announced their banking partner (fidor bank) and will offer insured SEPA account to be used for live trading.

EDIT: but that's not really news.

At least we won't have the German version of the mtgox-dwolla drama.
Not news, you said it.

I'd say its "not bad news"



218. Post 2700550 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: FNG on July 10, 2013, 06:56:28 PM
hoping for a dip to buy back in but for now i'm on the sidelines because i've eroded too much of my profit, my risk appetite is much much lower
The opportunity is under 80..it's vanishing quickly. Read the news, not the boards

What news?
I'm assuming you don't know how to google so

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=bitcoin&oq=bitcoin&gs_l=news

I think we have different definitions of what constitutes "news" then.



219. Post 2700623 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: FNG on July 10, 2013, 07:12:45 PM
hoping for a dip to buy back in but for now i'm on the sidelines because i've eroded too much of my profit, my risk appetite is much much lower
The opportunity is under 80..it's vanishing quickly. Read the news, not the boards

What news?
I'm assuming you don't know how to google so

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=bitcoin&oq=bitcoin&gs_l=news

I think we have different definitions of what constitutes "news" then.
Quite possibly. We're only entering billion and trillion dollar markets..but walmart doesn't accept it, right?? lol

Forest for the tress

Unless the Robot Santa demanded the Neptionian Elves to use Bitcoin I can't see the billion and trillion dollar markets we are about to enter.
But what do I know?



220. Post 2700804 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on July 10, 2013, 07:38:15 PM
I must be in denial because I don't buy this "rally" for a minute.

I do.  Grin

Indeed a minute or two couldn't hurt Wink



221. Post 2701586 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on July 10, 2013, 09:23:14 PM
Holding only fiat on exchanges is nail biting stuff. Why am I such a crappy trader? And WHY won't anyone dump!?

It boils down to two strategies: Buy low and sell high and buy high and sell higher.
Each strategy can appear more risky depending of how you look at it but in reality risk is something unrelated.



222. Post 2701603 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 10, 2013, 09:27:30 PM
The bears have surrendered



No we just had lunch and are digesting.



223. Post 2701800 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on July 10, 2013, 09:54:49 PM
Keep your eyes on the charts my friends. This afternoon/evening, I will use my masses of USD to prove my lust for Bitcoin is firmer than the legions of weak-boner traders that recently began to pollute this forum.  Cheesy

For all you doubters/haters: compare time of my post w/ time of recent rally.


You post all the time.



224. Post 2701813 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

yes you do.



225. Post 2701881 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on July 10, 2013, 09:58:41 PM
There we go, 61.8% retrace. Plus, the recent negative sentiment is all cleared. You guys think we will be able to sustain triple digits in 2013? Suit yourselves. Cheesy

What is this "sustainable" you speak about?



226. Post 2702337 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: phelix on July 10, 2013, 11:05:54 PM
If people are interested in Bitcoin, new money will flock in. How interested are they? Well, new people aint: http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoin#q=bitcoin&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q

When did the price touch bottom in 2011? October.

When did the attention touch bottom in 2011? December.
https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoin#q=bitcoin&date=1%2F2011%2013m&cmpt=q

This looks even better:

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=bitcoin#q=%22buy%20bitcoins%22&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q

Also there were two people in real life asking me to buy some Bitcoins for them the last couple of days.


That sure ups the statistic Tongue

Btw people who enter "buy btc" into google aren't buying bitcoins, they are using google.



227. Post 2705214 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Tired already bulls?



228. Post 2706940 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: deeplink on July 11, 2013, 03:26:38 PM

So yes it can be done.   Is it good for "Bitcoin"?

It may be. There's an awful lot of bitcoins owned by relatively few early adopters. If Bitcoin is to succeed, a large chunk of those bitcoins need to be extracted from those early adopters and spread amongst the general population.

It seems these early adopters have had a pretty good understanding of where the future is going. I for one would be happy to see these kinds of people get incredibly, filthy rich, so they can invest in awesome new businesses and technologies. Now that would make a change away from the current status quo, where the financial system only benefits parasites and sociopaths.


IMO most Bitcoiners are the most sociopathic people there are.
It takes a *special* attitude to strive after a system where economic status is derived only by a unchangeable, unchallengeable, non-physical ledger.   



229. Post 2712669 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: vokain on July 12, 2013, 08:26:19 AM
What's up with this?



Clearly a large buy, not sell? Am I not understanding something?

relatively small sale against the ONGOING ONSLAUGHT OF THE BULLS

It's getting larger by the minute.

I would suggest you go all in now if you are a ideological bull Grin



230. Post 2712699 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: Miz4r on July 12, 2013, 08:30:51 AM
What's up with this?



Clearly a large buy, not sell? Am I not understanding something?

relatively small sale against the ONGOING ONSLAUGHT OF THE BULLS

It's getting larger by the minute.

I would suggest you go all in now if you are a ideological bull Grin

All in since 66! Grin

If that is a consistent trend among you guys we just have seen the top imho.



231. Post 2714138 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 12, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
If no walls get pulled - 10,000 BTC gets us up to 107 ish, or down to 86. What a disparity...

quick, dump 10000. see what happens!

*cue nomnomnomnomnomnoming*

lol

First cat gets the cream.



232. Post 2717012 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

I like how the price is always break upside in Abandons charts.  Cheesy



233. Post 2717032 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: Abandon on July 12, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
I like how the price is always break upside in Abandons charts.  Cheesy

I'll try to post bearish charts in the future. Usually I'm not as thrilled by them.

It's called selective perception. TA should not be influenced by what you want to happen.



234. Post 2717051 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: Abandon on July 12, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
I like how the price is always break upside in Abandons charts.  Cheesy

I'll try to post bearish charts in the future. Usually I'm not as thrilled by them.

It's called selective perception. TA should not be influenced by what you want to happen.

I draw bearish charts for myself, but I haven't usually shared them here on this forum.

lol



235. Post 2717111 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: Chalkbot on July 12, 2013, 08:05:52 PM
It's called selective perception. TA should not be influenced by what you want to happen.

Doesn't all TA fit under this description?

Well it's a qualitative property if it isn't influenced by emotion. There are other qualitative properties but this one is fairly important.
And completely discarding emotion isn't something human beings can do, that's why I think automated rule based systems are best.



236. Post 2723379 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

It's called false breakout. It seems the bears got what the bulls where so desperately hoping for 2 weeks ago.



237. Post 2725346 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on July 14, 2013, 02:12:06 AM
The only true path is up.

   -Ancient Chinese Candle

Yet you are upside down Grin



238. Post 2731004 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Loozik I think that is the most irrational chart I've seen on this form yet.



239. Post 2731050 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: whitenight639 on July 14, 2013, 11:46:50 PM


Need this to go up abit and gain some strength again.

Oh and recent news, ETFs are looking to include bitcoin in there funds see:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-12/diamonds-and-kazakhs-and-bitcoins-oh-my-an-etf-parade.html

That is just mentioning the Winklevoss at the top of their list, but none of the other ones are attributed to Bitcoins.



240. Post 2731956 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

He has also a striking familiarity when it comes to facial features.



241. Post 2732068 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: notme on July 15, 2013, 04:11:40 AM
93.00 - cheap. I would buy.

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/economic-calendar/


The US Treasury bonds are redeemed tomorrow, tell me what you guys think will happen to the dollar and btc / usd price if the yeild / interest rate goes up on treasuries ?


I'll tell you what, the USD will fall and the price of Btc will be higher. Might not be much but should be significant.


BUY BUY BUY

Rising rates is bullish for the dollar and bearish for risk assets.

Just wait for some ideologically blasted genius to come up with a way how the Dollar is a risk asset vs Bitcoin. Grin



242. Post 2734767 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Lawl bear toss.



243. Post 2734807 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Quote from: seleme on July 15, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
Lawl bear toss.

Translation?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197892.0



244. Post 2736695 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.10h):

Haha from the looks of it half of the people who had a bid in the 90s bought in already. Grin



245. Post 2745062 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

We're just in the early phases Adam.



246. Post 2745105 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

That means it's whale mating season.



247. Post 2745116 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on July 17, 2013, 12:51:14 AM
▲ mtgoxUSD    98.5500    
▲ bitstampUSD    91.7600    
▲ btceUSD    88.2050    

MtGox decoupling further.

Also BTCchina didn't even twitch. (There bigger than btc-e now)



248. Post 2749914 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Abandon on July 17, 2013, 06:25:33 PM
The strong hands are accumulating, the longer we're at this point, the more likely it is we are to rise.

This is similar to what it was like at around 120, before it began rising to a high of 136.
Did you settle your debt?

Not yet, if must be nosy and know about it.

I'll take that as an indicator of how strong the "strong hands" really are, ok?



249. Post 2749934 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Abandon on July 17, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
The strong hands are accumulating, the longer we're at this point, the more likely it is we are to rise.

This is similar to what it was like at around 120, before it began rising to a high of 136.
Did you settle your debt?

Not yet, if must be nosy and know about it.

I'll take that as an indicator of how strong the "strong hands" really are, ok?

Great, now this has turned into ad hominem.

No it just was a Freudian slip.



250. Post 2750335 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: crumbs on July 17, 2013, 07:37:40 PM
...So many chickens without heads running around.

The best way to deal with that is to simply wait -- they settle down eventually Smiley

We can always make chicken vindaloo then. Cheesy



251. Post 2750454 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Why don't I feel like joining the gox FUD choir? Have I changed? Or is it something else?



252. Post 2751382 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

the price of bitcoin is crashing, SELL SELL SELL!



253. Post 2751408 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: MickeyT2008 on July 17, 2013, 10:49:33 PM
the price of bitcoin is crashing, SELL SELL SELL!
It looks more like the BTC trader world have all fallen asleep, almost nothing is being traded at all right now.

Well you guessed it I'm bored to hell with the posts here. All I see is the same stereotypes parroting their shit.



254. Post 2754853 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Loozik on July 18, 2013, 12:05:17 PM
cause you can't actually predict it

Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't

Yes it's called random chance.



255. Post 2755043 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: jbcv on July 18, 2013, 12:37:53 PM
What will happen at the $86 bid wall? 3000 btc tall and doesnt look like people are that willing to sell. how long will it take to break or will it be broken?

I'd rather think that it will evaporate.



256. Post 2755084 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: barbs on July 18, 2013, 12:47:24 PM
What will happen at the $86 bid wall? 3000 btc tall and doesnt look like people are that willing to sell. how long will it take to break or will it be broken?

I'd rather think that it will evaporate.

Just like the walls at 87.5 did etc.

We'll see.



257. Post 2756461 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: chodpaba on July 18, 2013, 04:41:01 PM
TL;DR

Bears have underestimated price support. I wonder why Roll Eyes

Because you said so dear Highness.



258. Post 2756683 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: chodpaba on July 18, 2013, 05:00:55 PM
TL;DR

Bears have underestimated price support. I wonder why Roll Eyes

Because you said so dear Highness.

This is something that can actually be measured. No need to take my word for it.

Great, now I'm expecting you to show me how...



259. Post 2757830 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on July 18, 2013, 08:33:34 PM
Does this look like it will revisit triple digits anytime soon to you?



Playing devils advocate, it could bounce off ~75 and then re-inflate the bubble.



260. Post 2759562 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

A gray candle is a burned out candle. So no thanks.



261. Post 2762775 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: lucas.sev on July 19, 2013, 03:59:48 PM
Quote
The payout was in BTC, not USD.

To be paid in BTC, but maybe the buyer/s are using Dollars to buy BTC to pay? or you are 100% sure the buyer/s already had 135,000 Bitcoins in their pockets before signing the payout....? since we dont know who the buyer/s is/are - you can't know that.. furtheremore that anouncement of "batches" sounds to me like money will be coming from fiat to BTC

do you even know what payout means?

He's suggesting that the new owners of satoshi dice don't already have the BTC they agreed to pay for it. Tremendously stupid I know, but we can expect such suggestions under these circumstances.



262. Post 2763928 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on July 19, 2013, 07:29:17 PM
Who wants to see me take us over $100!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

BUCKLE UP!

Me, do it on 23:23:23 UTC so we know it's you. I expect the price to be $100.01 then.



263. Post 2768017 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: MickeyT2008 on July 20, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
What is "Trotter indicator", I have never heared of it? It seems to make amazingly precise predictions because these are exactly the price levels we are going to see.
It's what Del Boy uses


That's how he made the money to buy that limousine


Very subtle. Wink
I like it!



264. Post 2772535 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

If your libertarian romantic ever plays out I rather think we are facing the extinction of the human race. 



265. Post 2772784 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: MickeyT2008 on July 21, 2013, 10:51:55 AM
Protect yourself and hold as little fiat as you can safely get away with.

This ^^

If not Bitcoin then anything inflation proof will do as a way to store money, even things like collecting antiques

We are in a deflationary phase now actually.



266. Post 2772840 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: molecular on July 21, 2013, 10:58:20 AM
Protect yourself and hold as little fiat as you can safely get away with.

This ^^

If not Bitcoin then anything inflation proof will do as a way to store money, even things like collecting antiques

We are in a deflationary phase now actually.

You start buying when blood is running in the streets?


I'll buy when I think I can sell for more than 2% profit within 24 hours. (With relative certainty)



267. Post 2772947 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Traktion on July 21, 2013, 11:22:15 AM
If your libertarian romantic ever plays out I rather think we are facing the extinction of the human race.  

Why would rejecting institutionalised violence cause the extinction of the human race? Are peaceful people incapable of functioning without being threatened from day to day?

Institutional violence is just a result of urbanization, the entire population is urbanized, and dependent of the financial system to keep them from dying from starvation.

IF you are serious start a farm.



268. Post 2772973 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 21, 2013, 11:34:33 AM
If your libertarian romantic ever plays out I rather think we are facing the extinction of the human race. 

Nah, just the part that should never have existed in the first place.

So how many chickens do you own?



269. Post 2772988 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 21, 2013, 11:39:42 AM
If your libertarian romantic ever plays out I rather think we are facing the extinction of the human race. 

Nah, just the part that should never have existed in the first place.

So how many chickens do you own?

None.

So you essentially giving yourself up? Or did I miss something?



270. Post 2773033 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 21, 2013, 11:44:07 AM
I fail to see the chicken connection.

So you are living in a vegan community? Do you grow Hemp or Lupines?



271. Post 2773069 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 21, 2013, 11:57:45 AM
I fail to see the chicken connection.

So you are living in a vegan community? Do you grow Hemp or Lupines?

Do I really have to explain how an economy works? You don't need to produce anything yourself. Furthermore, chickens are non-mandatory in a diet. I don't eat chicken often but prefer fish, beef and pork.

Do you understand the causal relationship between urbanization and institutional violence?



272. Post 2773375 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: molecular on July 21, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
If your libertarian romantic ever plays out I rather think we are facing the extinction of the human race.  

Why would rejecting institutionalised violence cause the extinction of the human race? Are peaceful people incapable of functioning without being threatened from day to day?

Institutional violence is just a result of urbanization, the entire population is urbanized, and dependent of the financial system to keep them from dying from starvation.

IF you are serious start a farm.

So you think urban population would starve if it wasn't for the current implementation of the financial sector and/or institutional violence?

I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning.

I'm saying that institutional violence is caused by the urbanization. This is very easy to understand as institutional violence is merely an expression of the (violent tendencies of) individuals in the bureaucratic system which in turn is a result of the dramatic increase of urbanization. (Both the tendencies and the importance of the bureaucratic system itself)



273. Post 2773399 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: molecular on July 21, 2013, 01:14:29 PM
I can probably see bureaucratic system => institutional violence, but I still fail to see how bureaucratic system necessarily follows from an increase in urbanization.


That's how it works historically and empirically.



274. Post 2773975 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: chodpaba on July 21, 2013, 02:50:13 PM
Protect yourself and hold as little fiat as you can safely get away with.

This ^^

If not Bitcoin then anything inflation proof will do as a way to store money, even things like collecting antiques

We are in a deflationary phase now actually.

You start buying when blood is running in the streets?


I'll buy when I think I can sell for more than 2% profit within 24 hours. (With relative certainty)

The problem is, under those conditions one frequently ends up selling high and buying higher.

So? It still accumulates profit, that's better than the average market participant can say.



275. Post 2774007 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: gandhibt on July 21, 2013, 03:30:23 PM
...
Sure, but the point is that in bitcoin world big money doesn't automatically mean more money, because you can't print and loan bitcoins. That's pretty simple.

You don't think there were tycoons & beggars with gold standard?  We had the silly thing in US 'til the seventies!  As far as lending with Bitcoin, i can talk you through many interesting lending schemes where the total number of bitcoins in circulation is not the ceiling (hint:  when you borrow a million dollars from a bank, do you take it home in a trunk?)



It was 1971 when Nixon separated gold from USD.

Still under the weekly forex volume.



276. Post 2774835 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: chodpaba on July 21, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
Protect yourself and hold as little fiat as you can safely get away with.

This ^^

If not Bitcoin then anything inflation proof will do as a way to store money, even things like collecting antiques

We are in a deflationary phase now actually.

You start buying when blood is running in the streets?


I'll buy when I think I can sell for more than 2% profit within 24 hours. (With relative certainty)



The problem is, under those conditions one frequently ends up selling high and buying higher.

So? It still accumulates profit, that's better than the average market participant can say.

Still inferior to the performance of buy and hold, even if you bought at $32. Each one of those gaps between selling high and buying higher represents a reduction of your holdings. The average market participant thinks they are smarter than the market as a whole, if not in confidence then by their actions. Presuming that their action represents the best course of action, while it seldom is. Sell high, buy higher is a really awful strategy. The way to mitigate risk beyond just buy and hold is really DCA. And that looks more like what our buy whale is doing... The support is there,

I'm disappointed.



277. Post 2775577 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: vokain on July 21, 2013, 07:50:40 PM
No more triple digits means that 90s is expensive, and therefore we have much further to go down. Reptilia, this point in time is August 2011, not November 2011.

perhaps we conditioned ourselves to think ahead a bit sooner?
FYGM



278. Post 2775987 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

No comments on this epic 100 Bitcoin rally?



279. Post 2776054 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Somebody bought another 100 coins, that'll show us.



280. Post 2780009 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Becoming a bear actually requires deliberation, disillusionment and time. It's never a panic reaction.

Only sheep panic sell, and bears really like sheep  Wink



281. Post 2781168 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

You guys gonna buy the $92 wall or not?



282. Post 2781353 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Must - resist - short - selling.



283. Post 2782155 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Bitcoin is almost half the market cap of rhodium right now, which is ridiculously overvalued. It's the only "monetary" metal with comparable volatility.
Comparisons with gold or silver just don't work out, since their inherent value is closely tied to our everyday lives while rhodium is not and neither is bitcoin.



284. Post 2782351 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: FNG on July 22, 2013, 08:41:08 PM
Bitcoin is almost half the market cap of rhodium right now, which is ridiculously overvalued. It's the only "monetary" metal with comparable volatility.
Comparisons with gold or silver just don't work out, since their inherent value is closely tied to our everyday lives while rhodium is not and neither is bitcoin.
Care to explain how golds value is closely tied to our everyday lives and bitcoin is more closely related to Rhodium?

You realize rhodium is mainly used in catalytic converters and golds main use is a store of value, right?

Half of all gold mined is used in jewelery, that's not really as a store of value since the jewelery is worth multiple times that of it's metal content.
 About every electronic device contains a small amount of Gold. Catalytic converters don't use rhodium any more since there are plenty of other catalysts which are just as good. The closest use is protective coating of metal surfaces which uses layers a few atoms thick, oh and in certain types of nuclear reactors. Certainly not comparable to gold or silver.


Bitcoins utility is sending anonymous payments in the black market and website donations. Both rhodium and bitcoin exhibit wild hype cycles and car salesmen personalities trying to pump & dump.



285. Post 2782373 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 22, 2013, 08:49:33 PM
Bitcoin is almost half the market cap of rhodium right now, which is ridiculously overvalued. It's the only "monetary" metal with comparable volatility.
Comparisons with gold or silver just don't work out, since their inherent value is closely tied to our everyday lives while rhodium is not and neither is bitcoin.
Care to explain how golds value is closely tied to our everyday lives and bitcoin is more closely related to Rhodium?

You realize rhodium is mainly used in catalytic converters and golds main use is a store of value, right?

Half of all gold mined is used in jewelery, that's not really as a store of value since the jewelery is worth multiple times that of it's metal content.
 About every electronic device contains a small amount of Gold. Catalytic converters don't use rhodium any more since there are plenty of other catalysts which are just as good. The closest use is protective coating of metal surfaces which uses layers a few atoms thick, oh and in certain types of nuclear reactors. Certainly not comparable to gold or silver.




I believe 5-10% of the market cap of gold is from use in jewelry.

Look it up.



286. Post 2782516 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: FNG on July 22, 2013, 09:04:19 PM
Most of the jewelry is sold in Asia. The jewelry is bought as a store of value. It doesn't matter if it's bought in a rectangle brick or a necklace..it's still bought for it's intended purpose.

It's bought for bling, that implies value but it's not bought as an investment. It's bought to be used.
Since jewelery isn't even made up of pure gold and is alloyed it's made to be used, a investor looking for a store of value in terms of gold wouldn't care if it's made up of pure gold, even better the alloying wouldn't have to be payed, pure gold bullion is the most popular form of use as investment.
So it does matter if you buy a a bar or coin versus a ring or necklace.

There even is a difference in terms of investment only vs monetary use with gold. Only alloyed coins are made for circulation.
Gold is soo different from bitcoin.



287. Post 2782600 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: FNG on July 22, 2013, 09:20:00 PM
Most of the jewelry is sold in Asia. The jewelry is bought as a store of value. It doesn't matter if it's bought in a rectangle brick or a necklace..it's still bought for it's intended purpose.

It's bought for bling, that implies value but it's not bought as an investment. It's bought to be used.
Since jewelery isn't even made up of pure gold and is alloyed it's made to be used, a investor looking for a store of value in terms of gold wouldn't care if it's made up of pure gold, even better the alloying wouldn't have to be payed, pure gold bullion is the most popular form of use as investment.
So it does matter if you buy a a bar or coin versus a ring or necklace.
Most popular where? Gold here is 23k (96.5%) whether it's a bar or jewelry. jewelry carries a VERY small premium and may be used as "bling" but it is a store of value. 23k and 22k is prevalent in Asia as jewelry and it is a store of value. if I throw a stone in Bangkok I can hit a dozen gold shops..they're not selling alloyed bling to the rich..they're buying and selling a store of value to the masses at a pretty tight spread at the market price. Shit 14k jewelry with a 800% markup doesn't sell in most of the world.
.
That's bullshit. Metric Investment bars are 99.9 and investment bullion coins are 99.9. Oh and comex 400oz bars are also pure gold.
Again, look it up.

I don't about your story about 23k jewelery but I suspect you just pulled that up out of your ass.



288. Post 2782669 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

I said half of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold
Quote
The world consumption of new gold produced is about 50% in jewelry, 40% in investments, and 10% in industry.

I guess wikipedia should check their sources ha?
Btw investment is 40%, I think that includes "pure gold rings"  Roll Eyes



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290. Post 2782952 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 22, 2013, 10:04:44 PM
I said half of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold
Quote
The world consumption of new gold produced is about 50% in jewelry, 40% in investments, and 10% in industry.

I guess wikipedia should check their sources ha?
Btw investment is 40%, I think that includes "pure gold rings"  Roll Eyes


That's consumption of new gold coming out of the ground. I'm talking percentage of market capitalization. 5-10% is about right.

I would say that ratio remained more or less constant over time. So it should be equal to market capitalisation.
Or are you including gold that hasn't even been mined yet?



291. Post 2783045 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 22, 2013, 10:14:19 PM
I said half of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold
Quote
The world consumption of new gold produced is about 50% in jewelry, 40% in investments, and 10% in industry.

I guess wikipedia should check their sources ha?
Btw investment is 40%, I think that includes "pure gold rings"  Roll Eyes


That's consumption of new gold coming out of the ground. I'm talking percentage of market capitalization. 5-10% is about right.

I would say that ratio remained more or less constant over time. So it should be equal to market capitalisation.
Or are you including gold that hasn't even been mined yet?

I wasn't.

I have no data though, making my argumentation weaker. But most of the worlds gold lies in the form of bars in huge vaults doesn't it? Do you have any figures?

Well you said it.
There are various figures the problem is most of it is distorted depending on where you look. That is actually one of the few advantages Bitcoin has over Gold, you know how much there is of it.
To be honest I don't find this debate very fruitful, at least you give back respectful answers but I was kind of dragged into this and don't really care that much about gold.
My point concerned the similarity with bitcoin, or lack there of which I say is closer correlated with Rhodium, which you can see in another thread.




292. Post 2783904 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Spekulatius on July 23, 2013, 01:00:04 AM
Time will tell but I think we are at least in for another resistance test.

Seems reasonable



293. Post 2788558 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

This gonna be an interesting week to say the least.



294. Post 2788926 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 23, 2013, 05:33:59 PM
Quote
havers suffered a net loss from his day trading, but realized net proceeds of $164,758 from his sales of 86,202 Bitcoin.

How does that come together? $164,758/86,202BTC = 1,91 USD/BTC???

We never even went that low!

if you buy high and sell low  Tongue

Buy high and come down.



295. Post 2789626 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: bobdude17 on July 23, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
And by implication that sends a message to all the doubters that bitcoin is *NOT* a ponzi scheme!

Very big news.

You clearly do not understand FUD.
By association it can be interpreted exactly opposite - it was a ponzi all along, now confirmed by the SEC.



296. Post 2790140 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on July 23, 2013, 08:29:41 PM
LOL@everyone moving coins to Bitsamp. Keeping money on any exchange not registered, or seeking registration, with Fincen is idiotic at this point. Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

There might be an exception for a business when a very small, insignificant portion of its activities reach into US borders. But no way would Bitstamp fall into such an exception. I doubt any exchange would, considering the vast, vast majority of trading is by US citizens.

Think about it. If physically setting up shop on foreign land is sufficient to evade US laws, then why don't we see more foreign businesses selling dangerous products (exploding barbie dolls) or openly offering money laundering to US citizens? Laws and treaties. Dummies.

Bitstamp and BTCe going down by the end of the year, for sure. If you don't have your coins/fiat on Gox or CampBX, may as well just kiss them goodbye.


Cool story bro, tell it again.



297. Post 2790389 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: gizmoh on July 23, 2013, 09:10:15 PM
Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

Is it your arbitrary opinion?

This is how US Authorities can and did explain shutting down of an offshore business e.g Poker sites operating out of its borders but serving US citizens.

No they weren't operating from out of the US, they were trying to be sharky by operating from within the US and hosting the site somewhere else.



298. Post 2790473 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

In communist Russia the exchange shuts down you!

srsly, how would they go about btc-e? Bribe a Russian official?



299. Post 2808342 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.11h):

Quote from: reactor on July 26, 2013, 01:06:09 PM
The buying whale has decided to wait for seller exhaustion at 96.
And yes, this is f-ing boooring!

Ditto, holding the market is almost as bad as the repeated 1000+ BTC dumps we had a few weeks back.  At least then there is reason for chaos and disorder, now everyone is sitting around watching the folks who have whipped it out and put it on the table but are too timid to actually do anything. 

Flaccid whales.

Here is a question: If it's the whales that are accumulating why is the spread vs Bitstamp and BTC-e so high?



300. Post 2834982 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: hlynur on July 30, 2013, 09:43:27 PM
Forget about the news, they don't matter. We're going up because the charts are looking good.

i wouldn't say that news don't matter. From time to time they play an important role for herding behaviour.
Often it's like some tension building up and being suddenly released by some big whale moving his fin.
Not too long ago market sentiment was very bearish because of the whole regulatory question in the news.


They don't matter in this case, being the potential to return to the 200s.
This can happen based on the charts alone.



301. Post 2835197 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

180 in..



302. Post 2835341 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

ShroomsKit is kind of cute.



303. Post 2835491 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: notme on July 30, 2013, 11:25:35 PM
I mentioned earlier it took 15 full days for my deposit to hit Gox, which made me shit myself as it was a large amount and i realised they could scam me or they could collapse at any time and i'd be totally screwed. But in their defence my bank did contact the Japanese bank to trace the funds and the reply i got back from my bank is that the funds had been credited to the account on the 25th, which was the day that Gox credited my account. So it may well be true that their bank is the one screwing them over, my banks said 3 business days to arrive but it took 11 business days for them to credit the account so I have no idea what is up with that, it's a corporate bank you'd think they could do better than 11 days.


And people wonder why bitcoin is valuable Roll Eyes.

As long as the value is expressed as a USD figure it's doubt not wonder for me.



304. Post 2837700 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: gandhibt on July 31, 2013, 08:08:57 AM
It's also a good feeling that it's not needed to keep fiat in GOX anymore. IDK would bitstamp be better?

Is that a rhetorical question?



305. Post 2838192 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: gandhibt on July 31, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
I meant that would bitstamp be more secure in future? Do I have to fear more that gox is going down with my money or bitstamp? I'm on the same page about that bitstamp is way faster to deposit/withdraw.

I also went asking guidance from cubensis's and they told me that you should follow trend so that it doesn't matter which way the price goes.

That depends on the time period. If mtgox goes down the way it's feared it would things can go very quickly. But I do think you should be able to get out in time when that happens. (If you are on bitstamp)



306. Post 2839023 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: gandhibt on July 31, 2013, 01:00:58 PM
I meant that would bitstamp be more secure in future? Do I have to fear more that gox is going down with my money or bitstamp? I'm on the same page about that bitstamp is way faster to deposit/withdraw.

I also went asking guidance from cubensis's and they told me that you should follow trend so that it doesn't matter which way the price goes.

That depends on the time period. If mtgox goes down the way it's feared it would things can go very quickly. But I do think you should be able to get out in time when that happens. (If you are on bitstamp)

Why's this, why is it possible to get your fiat (or BTC?) out of bitstamp if it goes down but not from gox? If that so then it seems bitstamp is clearly a better option.

I think of it this way: Whatever the reason for mtgox unable to provide liquidity, be it problems with the FEDs, bankrupcy or banking partners setting them up, it should not affect the other exchanges immediately, either because they are not at all affected or didn't generate enough attention. They might be affected by the wake of mtgox but I think it would take at least a week for that to happen, during which you should be able to get your money out.

The safest exchange right now is virwox imo since they have a long history with SLL and even if something really weird happens they should remain in operation even in the worst scenario. And they are the only exchange which provides paypal.



307. Post 2840589 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 31, 2013, 04:36:34 PM
go ahead, trade on this "if it happened b4 it will happen again" nonsense

ok



308. Post 2842424 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: RationalSpeculator on July 31, 2013, 07:28:42 PM
The gox exodus doesn't explain the strong buying happening on bitstamp. Someone wants coins really bad there and I highly doubt this to be arbitrageurs as the risk seems too high for their fiat stuck on gox.

It's called delayed arbitrage. Since gox still has the highest volume the other exchanges are following it.
It's a pretty riskless profiting opportunity to just buy after a certain amount of coins have been bought on gox. You don't have to wire money just sell at a little gain and repeat.



309. Post 2842555 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: RationalSpeculator on July 31, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
The gox exodus doesn't explain the strong buying happening on bitstamp. Someone wants coins really bad there and I highly doubt this to be arbitrageurs as the risk seems too high for their fiat stuck on gox.

It's called delayed arbitrage. Since gox still has the highest volume the other exchanges are following it.
It's a pretty riskless profiting opportunity to just buy after a certain amount of coins have been bought on gox. You don't have to wire money just sell at a little gain and repeat.

ok, but if you sell again you in fact didn't buy anything on bitstamp, and still the price follows gox. The one buying from you does support a higher price on stamp. Someone in the end really wants those coins on bitstamp too and is supporting the price to go up, right?

Well the if you keep the gain in Bitcoins then price will end up higher after it. So in a way it depends on the sediment, but since the price of gox pretty much drives sediment we end up with this.
Also the most gain from this strategy (but also the most risky) is to send the profits in Bitcoins to gox.



310. Post 2847783 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on August 01, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
There has to be a way to arbitrage and take advantage of this $10 difference in price! Just sitting around and watching this opportunity is making me sick.

I already described it:
You buy the dips on bitstamp or btc-e then sell the tops. Keep the profit in BTC, send it to gox and sell there.
Rinse & repeat & accumulate.



311. Post 2847941 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on August 01, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
There has to be a way to arbitrage and take advantage of this $10 difference in price! Just sitting around and watching this opportunity is making me sick.

I already described it:
You buy the dips on bitstamp or btc-e then sell the tops. Keep the profit in BTC, send it to gox and sell there.
Rinse & repeat & accumulate.

But you have to sell the tops at Gox and you won't be able to cash out before Christmas. lol

There is bound to be a catch...



312. Post 2849056 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 01, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
your sure its not the bear trap of in the institutional investor stage?

Almost.
I've seen two teenagers watching the Bitcoin price on their phones while waiting for the tram the day the bubble popped. I think that is sufficiently "Public" don't you say?



313. Post 2849323 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: thezerg on August 01, 2013, 08:29:44 PM
new memes are already coming: "bitcoin and PMs are complementary" for example.

hahaha

or this?

Quote
first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they shove you into the fountain, and then mom won't let you in the car because you're dripping wet so you have to strip down to your tighty whities in public again





314. Post 2849403 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Memes are in the works  Cheesy

LOLBitcoin
at Defcon



315. Post 2850542 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: Adrian-x on August 02, 2013, 12:04:10 AM
I'll just leave this here:

Despair when translated into Bitcoin is price stability.

Thinking Bitcoin is an exception and needs "translation" is Denial.



316. Post 2850924 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: byronbb on August 02, 2013, 01:30:36 AM
Thinking that the "public" has gotten into bitcoin in any manner is laughable. The public is into bitcoin when you can buy Casascius coins on the shopping network.

Too bad Bruce Wagner has been ousted, he would have been the ideal man for the job.

Also can someone quote me so that byronbb can see it?  Kiss



317. Post 2853772 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

That breakout before the green rising support line crosses the red horizontal resistance aint gonna happen.



318. Post 2858738 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

How can any bounce look different than a inverted head & shoulders? How can any top be different than a head and shoulders?

Geometry tip: They can't. Wink



319. Post 2866068 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on August 04, 2013, 06:53:49 PM
SilkRoad is still up and I wish pedo are only a minority of Bitcoin users.

I'm sure you just mean "acting" pedo.

How is that related to the price of Bitcoin?



320. Post 2866154 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: Frozenlock on August 04, 2013, 07:19:19 PM
It's not.

But the question to ask was "How is that related to the walls?"  Wink

ok but is it?



321. Post 2866924 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

I don't see those as funny any more.



322. Post 2867093 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: byronbb on August 04, 2013, 10:05:42 PM
SilkRoad is still up and I wish pedo are only a minority of Bitcoin users.

I'm sure you just mean "acting" pedo.

How is that related to the price of Bitcoin?

Silk Road could be next.


Yes but that's a little too far fetched for my taste.



323. Post 2872493 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: arklan on August 05, 2013, 06:42:51 PM
˙ǝlqɐuosɐǝɹ ǝɹoɯ sɯǝǝS ˙ㄥƐƐ$ oʇ ʇıq ɐ uʍop (00Ɛ$ ɯoɹɟ dn) ʎɐpıɹℲ ʎq 000Ɩ$ ʎɯ ǝsıʌǝɹ oʇ ƃuıoƃ ɯ,I 'pǝʇɐdıɔıʇuɐ sɐ ʇsɐɟ sɐ ƃuıʌoɯ ʇou sƃuıɥʇ 'ʞo

you could push your performance to a higher level if your spelling style would correlate more with your avatar.  Wink


where's my like button when i need it?

You think theymos would install the script for him?



324. Post 2885895 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on August 07, 2013, 06:45:58 PM
105 wall got cancelled

plz stop spreading fud, regardless of factual foundation.

Facts are irrelevant. This is a speculative market.

Thank you very much
THE PRICE OF BITCOIN IS CRASHING SELL SELL SELL
~historical statement spawning butthurt.




325. Post 2886310 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: MoreFun on August 07, 2013, 07:55:31 PM
Volume is starting to scare me. 10kish is ok for a weekend day, but mid-week...

During the peak in mid-April, weren't we around 200k-500kish any given day?

I blame it on the bots. Dont know what they are doing, but it has to be them. They are the only things holding us back from massive volume and $10,000 btc.

My uneducated & uninformed guess is there isn't much to do on an exchange when it's a pain getting the $$$ out.   Sad

Or in, apparently.

Please tell me what kind of problem is getting $$$ in gox? Why deposit $$$ when you can deposit cheap BTC.

If you are planning on withdrawing BTCBTCBTC they are cheaper on bitstamp, or btc-e, or pretty much everywhere.
And if you plan on selling high, you'd be more interested in withdrawing the profits in $$$ (or at least be able to do so).
So: It makes no sense whatsoever to wire gox any money at this point.



326. Post 2886535 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

If you are not out get ... wait what?



327. Post 2887046 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: MoreFun on August 07, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
Odalv why not?

That's probably the best answer, yeah why not?



328. Post 2890452 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Too soon to panic.



329. Post 2890506 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: marvinrouge on August 08, 2013, 11:58:45 AM
Too soon to panic.

yep, a cup n handle is still a possibity (but I wouldn't bet on that, in any case)



What is it with the steep UP! arrows out of nowhere with you guys? The market is slow right now and whenever we're going up or down it has to pick up momentum (and volume!) first do do anything.



330. Post 2890526 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: marvinrouge on August 08, 2013, 12:06:06 PM

What is it with the steep UP! arrows out of nowhere with you guys? The market is slow right now and whenever we're going up or down it has to pick up momentum (and volume!) first do do anything.


There is always low volume before a big movement (up or down).
As far as I am concerned low volume is followed by a period of increasing volume with low movement after which the price starts to move.



331. Post 2890916 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: oda.krell on August 08, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Bitcoinity is out of order with respect to the walls, I was recommended trading.i286.org (google it, don't click on links).

looks good, but seems like it *only* shows mtgox orderbook and price chart. so doesn't really replace bitcoinity for me.

There is http://bitcointicker.co/
which is a bitcoinity clone, it does weird  things right now too, but at least it doesn't hang like bitcoinity does.



332. Post 2892746 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Kazu on August 08, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
Damn I used to have a buy order open at $101 that would have been a really good buying opportunity.

You're fed up about 1%?



333. Post 2893079 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Kazu on August 08, 2013, 07:19:16 PM
Damn I used to have a buy order open at $101 that would have been a really good buying opportunity.

You're fed up about 1%?

I bought at $105.01 when the wall was at there, so technically Im fed up about like 3%.

You'll do better next time.



334. Post 2893357 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 08, 2013, 08:05:59 PM
i'm going to start keeping track of bitcoins that need to be bought to break 180
Wouldn't it make more sense to keep track of the USD required to spend?



335. Post 2897905 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: hlynur on August 09, 2013, 11:43:15 AM
guys it's time to send your trading monkeys back into the jungle...

Behold, here comes BTC Robot by the FAPTurbo Team  (that name Grin)
http://www.thebitcoinchannel.com/archives/20150

u mena SCAMTurbo?
Nobody sells highly profitable bots like that.



336. Post 2898082 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Bitscalper ring a bell?  Wink



337. Post 2898717 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: hlynur on August 09, 2013, 01:51:33 PM
I have to say this FAPTeam knows how to properly promote a scam.
idk, I mean this literally is the first time I've seen the seller of a product do advertise re-selling for 100% profit on ebay.



338. Post 2899286 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: hlynur on August 09, 2013, 03:28:19 PM
I have to say this FAPTeam knows how to properly promote a scam.
idk, I mean this literally is the first time I've seen the seller of a product do advertise re-selling for 100% profit on ebay.

hmm, is this worth a thread to warn people or should we just wait until they start promotion in the forum?




Don't bother, I've called the pirate ponzi a "Typical HYIP scam" at the first post after his OP, and left it there over the whole course of the Drama. And we've all seen how that turned out.
I think that's the main reason I became so cynical about Bitcoin.  Undecided



339. Post 2901094 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: justusranvier on August 09, 2013, 08:48:01 PM
I have a feeling MtGox will soon burn to the ground...


this thread will be irrelevant,


I vote that chartbuddy move the Stamps thread now.
I think that six month from now the top bitcoin-dollar exchange is going to be one that is not currently listed on bitcoinity.

Care to tell us which one?



340. Post 2907554 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on August 10, 2013, 11:07:55 PM
approaching 24hr volume of 3,000 on gox and bitstamp.

This is pathetic, even for weekend day. fuck it, im out. goodbye bitcoin

Don't get hit by the door on the way out!



341. Post 2907589 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on August 10, 2013, 11:15:02 PM
approaching 24hr volume of 3,000 on gox and bitstamp.

This is pathetic, even for weekend day. fuck it, im out. goodbye bitcoin

Don't get hit by the door on the way out!

maybe i sell all my btc as i leave, how would u like that? i crash us to single digits single-handedly.

I would probably appreciate that.



342. Post 2920707 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

If mtgox dies that way 266 was the all time high.



343. Post 2920758 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

There is no legit approach.



344. Post 2926682 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Traktion on August 13, 2013, 07:32:17 PM
Triple top forming since the first started at the end of July? Third peak on falling volume. Thoughts?

sure why not.



345. Post 2926691 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on August 13, 2013, 07:33:19 PM
Triple top forming since the first started at the end of July? Third peak on falling volume. Thoughts?

single digits by Friday

Welcome to the piss yellow club. You went there pretty fast.



346. Post 2927737 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Cablez on August 13, 2013, 10:11:27 PM
Shouldn't you flip your avatar first?

Perhaps he is trying to encode a secret message with his switcharoos?



347. Post 2931533 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Bitcoin is suffering from unwarranted self importance.

Neither are the FEDs going to manipulate the Market nor are they 'fighting' Bitcoin per se.
They simply are enforcing proper procedures. You can thank Mark K. & the rest of mtgox who didn't thought it necessary to do the paperwork which is required from them.
It is even possible they brought that up onto themselves by a high profile ad in the G8 magazine and nobody would have even bothered otherwise.

in retrospect:



348. Post 2931727 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on August 14, 2013, 12:37:35 PM
enforcing proper procedures.

Good luck with deciding what's proper for everyone else.

They have done so for longer than you are around, and I expect them to do it as long as people live in urbanized environments. The only thing to effectively fight bureaucracy is self-sufficiency.



349. Post 2932080 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: notme on August 14, 2013, 01:31:17 PM
The news didn't change fundamentals and the market made that clear by burning most of the idiots who sold off.

This idiot actually profited from this.



350. Post 2932491 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on August 14, 2013, 02:45:18 PM
OK, no panic sale yet. I must confess I have a craving for panic sales.
But what are those suckers trying to do, push the price towards 114 again?
The correct price right now is 110 - 111, so they have no chance, just losing money.
Once the ask sum rises, the down trend will resume IMO.

You are the new Rampion, aren't you?
My god...
When i thought it couldn't get worse.
Actually you are like a combination of Rampion and Blitz.

You are having a pavlovian reaction.



351. Post 2932530 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on August 14, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
You mean when i see someone who is so full of it, it reminds me of those 2 clowns?

From your perspective.
It looks like you miss them so much you are seeing them in other people.



352. Post 2934453 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Richy_T on August 14, 2013, 06:47:22 PM
Those were the days. Over 40 years ago.

Actually that was this morning. You should be coming down any minute now.


I lol'ed



353. Post 2935032 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

What have we become when you can't even spam in your own thread.  Undecided



354. Post 2941522 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

lol, somebody is manipulating chartbuddy by synchronized adding/removing of orders. You see the ghostlines on bitcoinity though, each time the bid side gains the ask side shrinks and verse visa.
you might want to randomize the sample time Wink



355. Post 2941887 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on August 15, 2013, 09:59:20 PM

Imagine every time someone mentions the dollar and then just has to say that it can be used to buy drugs and other illegal things.
I wish people would get over it. Yes you can buy drugs with Bitcoin. Just like you can with any other currency.
It's such a simple thing to understand. Why can't they?

Not all blacks hanging out for hours in public places are drug dealers either. Wink
It's just that, SR is the vast majority of the market there is no point in denying that.



356. Post 2944262 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on August 16, 2013, 01:12:52 AM
I know you will come up with a bunch of excuses instead of admitting you're wrong.
But whatever.
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/bitpay-processes-5-million-in-march-eclipses-silk-road/
Keep in mind this is just from one merchant!

There are no excuses needed, just look at the dates. We are talking about consistency here.
ASIC pre-order waves are hardly that.



357. Post 2945516 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on August 16, 2013, 01:03:14 PM
simple question for you guys

I know you're all hoping for the bitcoin value to rise, but why would it go up since it's divisible up to 8 decimals (and way more apparently?)

Because there is only a limited  amount of them? Gold is quite divisible as well (theoretically to the AU atoms) but that hasn't stopped it in rising tremendously in the beginning. For the last 100-150 years or so the price is flat (inflation corrected of course) but Bitcoin isn't at that adoption level yet.

Gold does have a divisible limit, Bitcoin does not. You can theoretical have a google (100 zeros) or more behind decimal mark.
The bitcoin price can be anything as long as the majority agrees that it is the right price. If they not agree the market moves accordingly. The concept works perfectly well if it its 1000 or .0001 does not matter.
.

What you saying is completely true. I still answered the original question sufficiently and my example is accurate enough since the theoretical divisibility of gold makes it sufficient for this never to have been an issue (the value of AU smaller than a single atom is far too small).

Not without a major hard-fork, which would also require conversion of the prior blockchain or some fancy hacks. It's about as difficult as changing the total number of Bitcoins or any other fundamental operational variable. Doable but not quite as convenient as you think it is.



358. Post 2945816 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Richy_T on August 16, 2013, 02:57:41 PM
I still think that we just need to wait until all those merchants of cheap $1/$2 electronics on ebay work out they can sell stuff without ebay and paypal taking a huge cut. When that dam breaks, things will get interesting.

Commercial fees on eBay/Paypal on high volume are way lower than the ones you know. You might look somewhere else... alibaba.. those guys actually want to spare the conversion fees. They hardly accept paypal and mostly looking for western union/TT



359. Post 2946695 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on August 16, 2013, 05:27:03 PM
I know you will come up with a bunch of excuses instead of admitting you're wrong.
But whatever.
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/bitpay-processes-5-million-in-march-eclipses-silk-road/
Keep in mind this is just from one merchant!

There are no excuses needed, just look at the dates. We are talking about consistency here.
ASIC pre-order waves are hardly that.

You're so predictable. Sad.

Anything else? I offer myself as your steam valve, next time you feel like insulting somebody, insult me. I am already so used to it that I don't mind and you don't have to interrupt any other discussions. Smiley



360. Post 2948855 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

I think this one sums it up:




361. Post 2949074 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: 01BTC10 on August 17, 2013, 01:23:25 AM
I think they will. There is too much money at stake but bureaucracy take a long time to fix.

Too Big To FailTM



362. Post 2951806 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Market is starting to look erratic, capitulation is coming.



363. Post 2951941 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Wekkel on August 17, 2013, 03:42:06 PM
Market is starting to look erratic, capitulation is coming.

You mean down?

Yes, enjoy the show.



364. Post 2952002 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on August 17, 2013, 03:58:14 PM
He means we are going to 180 by monday. it is certain.

He means he is short and wants it to go down Grin

Even this wouldn't stop it at that point.



365. Post 2952045 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on August 17, 2013, 04:01:23 PM
He means we are going to 180 by monday. it is certain.

He means he is short and wants it to go down Grin

Even this wouldn't stop it at that point.

lol

Look at the time periods, they are becoming shorter. Once they are below a certain threshold price collapses.



366. Post 2952082 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on August 17, 2013, 04:09:32 PM
He means we are going to 180 by monday. it is certain.

He means he is short and wants it to go down Grin

Even this wouldn't stop it at that point.

lol

Look at the time periods, they are becoming shorter. Once they are below a certain threshold price collapses. I don't short btw.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about  Cheesy
Is it an esoteric thing ?

We will see
I say we break $115 this time - might take a few days or just hours, but I say up, next stop $130

Yes lets see. Don't know what a time period is? You can also say frequency is increasing.
I said erratic, that means jumping up&down in quick succession.



367. Post 2952148 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on August 17, 2013, 04:17:54 PM

We will see
I say we break $115 this time - might take a few days or just hours, but I say up, next stop $130

Yes lets see. Don't know what a time period is? You can also say frequency is increasing.
I said erratic, that means jumping up&down in quick succession.

BTC don't give a fuck about frequency or erratic  Cheesy
I don't see anything unusual TBH, but I have been wrong many times before  Wink


I'm actually glad the majority is so ignorant.



368. Post 2952219 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Tzupy on August 17, 2013, 04:29:54 PM
I'm actually glad the majority is so ignorant.

Would you mind answering this ignorant's question on the previous page?

I don't really know much about EW, so I can't help you.



369. Post 2952234 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on August 17, 2013, 04:31:56 PM
From the guy who said only days ago that $111 was the new $130 that doesn't really carry much weight

What was the top at 130 again? 136 or something?

IIRC the thread was 110 is the new 130...



370. Post 2952315 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Tzupy on August 17, 2013, 04:45:46 PM
What was the top at 130 again? 136 or something?

Yes, it was 135 or 136. But there also was a juicy 25k+ BTC buy wall at 127 $. What's your point with the 136 $ peak value?

Peaks aren't really that important besides that they should fall within 2-3 standard deviations of the major trading volume.



371. Post 2967679 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on August 19, 2013, 06:00:29 PM
good call

now for my 180

you mean MY 180  Grin




372. Post 2976059 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Now is the time to go all in!



373. Post 2976086 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: Chalkbot on August 21, 2013, 12:34:38 AM
Now is the time to go all in!

Bullish Mucus, or forgot sarcasm font?

No I did forget the vicious font.



374. Post 2976126 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: superduh on August 21, 2013, 12:37:50 AM
Now is the time to go all in!

Bullish Mucus, or forgot sarcasm font?

No I did forget the vicious font.

did the people stop paying you now and you see the light?

Please stop trying to use the Loaded Question Fallacy on me.



375. Post 2979068 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on August 21, 2013, 12:58:52 PM
I remember reading this thread periodically and seeing people predicting a fall to $30
So now I must say, what makes you assholes so sure of yourselves all the time?

Insults.



376. Post 2979681 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.13h):

Quote from: thoughtfan on August 21, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
Also, not that I want to stoke any potential bubble but I do like how this chart is looking, especially given the usd volume at peak would be equivalent to a third less now had the volume been distributed as it is these days.  (in case it is of interest I bought substantially with long-term in mind for the first time in a long while on Sunday).



That fits the exact premise of a bubble with a classic bulltrap.



377. Post 2988337 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.14h):

Quote from: Cablez on August 22, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
Does anyone have any reasonable speculation about how many bitcoins may have been secured by this 'whale' buyer(s) since the July turnaround?  It must be an immense amount.

Reasonably there wasn't a single whale buyer.



378. Post 2996158 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.14h):

Pigs gonna get slaughtered.



379. Post 3029727 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.14h):

Don't send gox any money



380. Post 3063029 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.14h):

Quote from: solex on September 02, 2013, 10:46:50 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-surging-2013-9

It seems the rise is starting to get noticed outside of the bitcoin world!

A mere 59 word article! Ideal for the attention-span challenged generation.

There isn't much else to say about it.



381. Post 3064377 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.14h):

Getting out of Gox is pointless now, if you don't want to bet that the issue is resolved positively you would have left already.



382. Post 3080462 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: prophetx on September 04, 2013, 02:13:41 PM
Why's BTC-E lower than the rest?

why do you ask? have you ever seen it higher?  Grin

I have.



383. Post 3080928 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: semaster on September 04, 2013, 03:33:47 PM
Why's BTC-E lower than the rest?

why do you ask? have you ever seen it higher?  Grin

I have.
it is hard to imagine

That may be, but it's true, it mainly happens during hard bounces after a selloff. These are rare occasions, but they are there.



384. Post 3083945 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: Chalkbot on September 04, 2013, 11:01:33 PM
You heard it here first. 9/4/2013 eBay is moving toward utilizing and/or allowing bitcoins to freely be bought and sold and/or incorporating it as a payment method via PayPal.

Not really. Ebay (via Paypal) made their position on potential bitcoin integration public in April, possibly before that. Most people dismissed it as them being dismissive (irony?), but I've had reasons to believe otherwise in the meantime.

Some people really need to stop it with the made up bullshit.



385. Post 3086313 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: neutrinox on September 05, 2013, 08:42:16 AM
I did some digging and the video can be found on eBays own servers as well. I'm not sure who is allowed to post in this blog though (are all the posts from eBay employees?).

http://deals.ebay.com/blog/whats-the-deal-with-bitcoins-anyway/

Pictures are hosted on edccdn.com, a private host by some guy.
Notice how this isn't linked to the deal.ebay.com/blog site anywhere. My best guess is it's a rouge admin.



386. Post 3086358 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: razibuzouzou on September 05, 2013, 09:08:49 AM
I did some digging and the video can be found on eBays own servers as well. I'm not sure who is allowed to post in this blog though (are all the posts from eBay employees?).

http://deals.ebay.com/blog/whats-the-deal-with-bitcoins-anyway/

Pictures are hosted on edccdn.com, a private host by some guy.
Notice how this isn't linked to the deal.ebay.com/blog site anywhere. My best guess is it's a rouge admin.

A rogue admin with damn good graphics and video skills  Tongue

Or with the money to pay somebody to do a 2 minute animation. Anyway I reported the issue to the ebay securitycenter.



387. Post 3086376 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: neutrinox on September 05, 2013, 09:09:45 AM
Pictures are hosted on edccdn.com, a private host by some guy.
Notice how this isn't linked to the deal.ebay.com/blog site anywhere. My best guess is it's a rouge admin.

What do you mean by it isn't linked to the blog? Did you check the entries all the way from August? I'm pretty sure it's linked there, because most CMS-software automatically links blog content.

I did.



388. Post 3086394 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: erich on September 05, 2013, 09:15:36 AM
I did some digging and the video can be found on eBays own servers as well. I'm not sure who is allowed to post in this blog though (are all the posts from eBay employees?).

http://deals.ebay.com/blog/whats-the-deal-with-bitcoins-anyway/

Pictures are hosted on edccdn.com, a private host by some guy.
Notice how this isn't linked to the deal.ebay.com/blog site anywhere. My best guess is it's a rouge admin.

This blog post is completely embedded as an iframe:
http://edccdn.com/bitcoin/


Thanks, that makes it even more fishy.

To the guy responsible for this, (I'm pretty sure he read this): You dun' goofed.



389. Post 3086663 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: HostFat on September 05, 2013, 10:01:35 AM
This blog post is completely embedded as an iframe:
http://edccdn.com/bitcoin/


Thanks, that makes it even more fishy.

To the guy responsible for this, (I'm pretty sure he read this): You dun' goofed.
http://deals.ebay.com/blog/your-last-minute-thanksgiving-feast-for-10-all-for-less-than-75/

Again, edccdn.com, November 19, 2012

Rouge admin it is. Smiley



390. Post 3086681 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on September 05, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
This blog post is completely embedded as an iframe:
http://edccdn.com/bitcoin/


Thanks, that makes it even more fishy.

To the guy responsible for this, (I'm pretty sure he read this): You dun' goofed.
http://deals.ebay.com/blog/your-last-minute-thanksgiving-feast-for-10-all-for-less-than-75/

Again, edccdn.com, November 19, 2012

Rouge admin it is. Smiley

I don't want to be a grammar nazi but it's rogue.
Rouge means something completely different.

ok I apologize.



391. Post 3087856 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Nightowlace do you happen to work for eBay deals as a tech guy? Like to keep the job?



392. Post 3087933 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

cool story, I like how you are avoiding the question.

Seriously please stop it with the made up Bullshit, or at least don't do it here and make your own thread.



393. Post 3106638 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: coolbeans94 on September 08, 2013, 07:07:53 AM
Race Analogy: The person with debt "jumps the gun" and runs out in front of everyone else and gives the appearance of being a better athlete, yet he is not any better than the rest, and once it if finally discovered when they review the race....they have to start the race all over again...Once it is discovered that someone used debt and are not paying it back, there is a financial crisis and a "reset" of the financial race.

No debt not being paid is an inherent feature of the system, it keeps the interest from compounding once it is written off. Interest is actually an insurance payment against that.



394. Post 3114641 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: grovestr on September 09, 2013, 03:42:23 PM
Everybody sees what he want to.






395. Post 3117176 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Aaaand it's gone.



396. Post 3140614 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: mccorvic on September 12, 2013, 10:21:37 PM
It is not the sign of a healthy market IMO, but it's what we've got, so I ain't complaining , just saying
When the market is so obviously dominated by the whims of big players, the risk to smaller ones increases to the extent that I am sure many are just not trading

We're transitioning into the post-Gox era.  There is some worry and confusion on where one can safely trade and store bitcoin which is reflected in the lower volume.  The risk to smaller traders isn't necessarily a quick price change to their detriment, but rather the risk of not being able to access their coins/fiat at any given moment  Also, the the increase in ways to buy and spend coin that aren't Gox and other trading services is increasing as well which is reflected in the lower volume.

My basis for the above statement is that the reputation and positive press, which always seemed to be one of the best indicator of prices before, still feel pretty positive to me.  There are also some major developments for BTC coming down the pipeline.  These facts don't seem to be represented in the volume on the current main exchanges, thus my hypothesis.

WEEEE!

We are listening that sentence for a long time and I still can not see anything getting traction.

Guess it depends on your definition of traction.  Again, when I look at the reputation, positive press, developments in BTC, I see lots of traction.  There's been a LOT of deadends, I know. Trust me, i do know.  And we do have a long ways to go.

You true believers even see positive press when THEY are really out to get to you.



397. Post 3140629 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: mccorvic on September 12, 2013, 10:24:34 PM
Luckily, I also don't believe in THEY.  

The majority of your flock does though.



398. Post 3143148 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: joesmoe2012 on September 13, 2013, 08:43:11 AM
    Gox has not processed ANY SWIFT Transfers (i.e. GBP, USD, AUD, etc) in months with the exception of a few larger "manually processed" wires at 5% fee.     

scam



399. Post 3144481 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: S3052 on September 13, 2013, 07:01:16 AM
I have not heard of Gox having problems processing non-USD withdrawals, then why is Gox (much) higher in
those currencies as well?


They also failed to process any of my EUR and CHF withdrawals.

Shh, you're supposed to pretend, like this guy:

Quote from: desired_username on September 13, 2013, 09:57:58 AM
    Gox has not processed ANY SWIFT Transfers (i.e. GBP, USD, AUD, etc) in months with the exception of a few larger "manually processed" wires at 5% fee.     

I have got GBP and EUR transfers processed Tongue

So much fud everywhere..

Who are you?



400. Post 3144691 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: chodpaba on September 13, 2013, 01:46:01 PM

This divided by that—easy peasy. Falkvinge should run the Fed.

lol

Jokes aside, the true believers now are a different flock than they were 2 years ago...



401. Post 3145038 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on September 13, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
Even if you disagree with Falkvinge's claim that bitcoin is vastly overpriced, does anyone disagree with his "painting the tape" claim? The latter should be obvious to anyone who has been watching tickers the last few months.

I could care less.



402. Post 3145743 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: hlynur on September 13, 2013, 02:55:14 PM
Even if govs attempt to take action, it will become a cat-and-mouse game similar to sites offering pirated material.
  

Not really. The endgame is a cipher-space cloud hosting infrastructure. Good luck with that...



403. Post 3178212 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: prophetx on September 17, 2013, 10:29:39 PM
fack its like the night before christmas ....

btw not sure if you guys have seen this yet, pretty cool, would be awesome for anyone selling biofuel or dispensing moonshine?

Bitcoin Fluid Dispenser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGBZxWOwkh4

Yeah I have seen it and laughed at the punchline a few times.



404. Post 3185724 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Not
so
much
...



405. Post 3186223 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):




406. Post 3187956 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: 100x on September 19, 2013, 08:07:16 AM
Not
so
much
...

EM, what do you honestly expect to happen with bitcoin in the next 3-5 years?

Mtgox and/or Bitpay might be gone, SR still kickin but lots of competition from alts and technical problems.
I expect the Bitcoin community to be composed of Internet Libertarians for the entirety of the Project. It will be all about "spreading the word" still.



407. Post 3188689 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: prophetx on September 19, 2013, 10:55:24 AM
Not
so
much
...

EM, what do you honestly expect to happen with bitcoin in the next 3-5 years?

Mtgox and/or Bitpay might be gone, SR still kickin but lots of competition from alts and technical problems.
I expect the Bitcoin community to be composed of Internet Libertarians for the entirety of the Project. It will be all about "spreading the word" still.

sr is here to stay unless dpr gets nabbed, but another would pop up in 48 hours

mtgox is already a zombie exchange

bitpay will either remain or get bought out by bigger players


SR has one problem right now: It's not really possible to order anonymously when all exchanges require verification, tricks like mixing and choosing the transaction output address don't really help. (Courts can get a warrant for transaction data off the exchanges)
The only real solution is zerocoin which, quite frankly would be better off being implemented in an altcoin.
I don't expect SR to go under because of this, the money flow just has to come from OTC and similar mechanisms.

Yeah, gox is pretty much undead. This could go on for a long time still...

I don't think that bitpay will stand up to scrutiny. They have been messing around on the exchanges (according to their own admission) with their clients and VC money. When the shit hits the fan on Gox there will be a lot of long faces there once they realize how much of their money was in gox accounts.



408. Post 3191561 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: chodpaba on September 19, 2013, 06:37:41 PM
I must be the only person on earth right now who contemplates beginning to trade on/sending fiat to mtgox
Why'd you do that? The only reason I see is if you need to have instant liquidity for a couple k minimum in order to minimize slippage. Another perhaps if you trust MtGox more and want to store the funds for a longer time there. With up to 10% higher prices on MtGox, I'd have a hard time justifying it as a new market entrant.

MtGox certainly deserves to starve right now given their laughable transparency.

Unfortunately, the amount of gravity a body has need not have any relation to how brightly it shines.

I see what you did there.



409. Post 3205037 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

mtgox isn't dead yet it still has volume during volitale movements.



410. Post 3211998 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

We don't really need a chart thread here, anyway.
All it did was encourage circle jerks.



411. Post 3226847 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Well it is essentially dysfunctional. If it's down or works as a bucket shop doesn't really matter apparantly.



412. Post 3232340 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

You people had more than enough time to leave Gox. Just admit that you are gambling on a positive resolve of the situation.



413. Post 3232440 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: TheKoziTwo on September 25, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
You people had more than enough time to leave Gox. Just admit that you are gambling on a positive resolve of the situation.
Actually, those leaving money in mtgox are not just gambling, they are part of the solution. If a bank run is prevented and trading continues mtgox will keep making profit and can eventually become solvent again (assuming they are currently fractional reserve) even if they are never paid their debt (millions of dollars: frozen, coinbase..).

You might be right, at least that might be what Gox is hoping for.
Whoever said Bitcoiners don't believe in cooperate altruism? Grin



414. Post 3234011 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on September 25, 2013, 07:04:57 PM
The "big news" trope is a bit played out don't ya know...

I don't think I've ever seen an upcoming "big news" announcement live up to expectation, but there is always that distant hope...

 Grin
I think it all started with the announcement of an announcement thing.



415. Post 3246767 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

That spike is due to mtgox volume falling off a cliff. They are trying to divide by zero.



416. Post 3253971 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: Holliday on September 28, 2013, 05:00:28 AM
Most people, normal people, do just about anything to avoid thinking about the financial system.

LMAO.

Funny cuz true.

Hai guise, I have a new sig.



417. Post 3255546 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

That awkward moment when you realize rpietila now falls into the modest category in comparison.



418. Post 3255810 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Zerocoin will only happen in the form of an altcoin.



419. Post 3263107 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

At this point I think that mtgox doesn't know what's going on either. That means they have no idea what's wrong with their banks, they just can't access their funds.
It seems to me that the FEDs have frozen or at least partially suspended their accounts. This would also be in tune with the Roger Ver Video. (Irony is that's the last we've heard something from them.)



420. Post 3263347 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.16h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on September 29, 2013, 06:54:04 PM
At this point I think that mtgox doesn't know what's going on either. That means they have no idea what's wrong with their banks, they just can't access their funds.
It seems to me that the FEDs have frozen or at least partially suspended their accounts. This would also be in tune with the Roger Ver Video. (Irony is that's the last we've heard something from them.)

Yeah, why is that? I haven't seen Charlie from Bitinstant, Roger Ver or anyone from BitPay post here in a long time. Are they under a gag order or what?

Perhaps they think anything they can tell us would make the situation worse, and perhaps they're right.



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422. Post 3315319 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on October 10, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
Panic buys as a result of Dwolla closing?

hmm... might be time for me to turn bull and buy in...



423. Post 3318611 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

Quote from: LOADING.READY.RUN on October 11, 2013, 10:11:35 AM
WE WANT WORKING WITHDRAWALS  Angry

Aww how cute. <3



424. Post 3319582 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

Quote from: uhoh on October 11, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Midas - Everything he touched would turn to gold

Midas (Gox edition) - Everything he touched would turn to shit.

Well shit has a few stray calories left, and pigs eat it when they are starving.... so that's not too bad at all! Cheesy



425. Post 3331112 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

Quote from: StarenseN on October 13, 2013, 04:00:46 PM


hey





scat porn



426. Post 3332587 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

Quote from: samson on October 13, 2013, 10:19:26 PM
too many buys too fast. this will end in sadness.

Buy now or be left behind...

I suspect part of the problem will turn out to be that most people have already bought in at much lower than the current price.

Why is that a problem?



427. Post 3345440 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

Quote from: Kupsi on October 15, 2013, 10:35:43 PM

It's garbage.

How so? People were touting their horns about it the whole time, and now suddenly as it appears to be happening it's supposed to be not?
Of course lobbyists are onto Bitcoin, the whole gox situation wouldn't be there if they weren't.

I think this article is a pretty consistent explanation of current affairs.



428. Post 3346147 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

Quote from: Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย on October 16, 2013, 01:50:08 AM
do we have enough vol for this to be undeniably bullish now?

everywhere but on gox



429. Post 3349593 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.17h):

You know how this works... when they are back up just be the first to dump.



430. Post 3436002 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.19h):

Quote from: rpietila on October 29, 2013, 05:40:13 PM
Note to self: Below $200 == dip.

Yeah, the times are back..

Quote
holding fiat or anything else equals shorting bitcoin, 'cause you could have bought bitcoins if you sold that other stuff
You could also have bought hobo nickels on ebay.



431. Post 3464880 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.19h):

Quote from: byronbb on November 02, 2013, 05:06:32 PM
Litecoin is in rally mode. Just now touching the last high made a few weeks ago with very high volume. Usually litcoin up = bitcoin down and vice-versa.

It's really a hunter/prey model, not quite it's a bit more of a symbiotic relationship.



432. Post 3481293 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.20h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on November 04, 2013, 06:53:27 PM
Looks like they are talking about 51% attack and blockchain forking, without actually understanding what they talk about...

No, it's not a 51% attack. But similarly, it does depend on miners doing something that will eventually hurt their own investment.

It's a 26% attack. Not really a big deal tough.



433. Post 3481493 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.20h):

Quote from: Syke on November 04, 2013, 07:00:56 PM
Quote
While all miners work from the most recently discovered block (think of it as the "original" block), the selfish mining process begins when a pool of miners discovers a new block and doesn't publish it. The selfish pool then begins working on discovering yet another block, mining from this hidden one. Meanwhile, the rest of the "honest" miners are still wasting resources mining from the original block.

Can you mine FROM a "hidden" block? This makes no sense to me.

Sure, you can mine a block, not publish it, and continue mining. But unless your pool has 51% of the network, the odds are the rest of the network will invalidate the block you are hiding, and then you've just lost a block and have to start over. It does nothing to harm the network, just yourself.

Read it carefully, you need 34% for total dominance.
That is because you can publish the hidden block once you get wind of another block of the same height and the rest of the network will be preoccupied with both your block and the other block, effectively halving their hash rate.

It kind of works with less% too but you don't get all the bitcoins, and it becomes less and less effective from there on.



434. Post 3544397 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.22h):

stfu



435. Post 3551807 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.22h):

Quote from: Zangelbert Bingledack on November 11, 2013, 08:13:49 PM
yes, he's deeply asleep because the two japanese whores exhausted him!  Grin

I've always said Tokyo is the best city to be rich in.

Oh no, Bitcoin Weaboos now that is a disgusting thought.



436. Post 3570643 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.23h):

This market runs around like a headless chicken.



437. Post 3570857 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.23h):

Quote from: Holliday on November 13, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
This market runs around like a headless chicken.

Zoom out. That chicken has been climbing a mountain for 3 years. Wink

Past performance is future performance, right?



438. Post 3571009 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.23h):

Think about a headless chicken for a moment, motor impulses are automatically repeated by the nervous system in the body, and it can not really change direction on its own, until the rest of the bodily function seize.



439. Post 3574022 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.23h):

Quote from: humanitee on November 13, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
For people who only read this thread, this story has the potential to have long term consequences: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qk8yl/bitcoinism_is_it_time_to_boycott_all_us_bitcoin/

For fucks sake  Undecided
How in the world is this even remotely being considered? This is a terrible idea.


I'm glad my term is finally catching on. And that it's being used in an unironic way makes me feel like an evil genius.
Thanks for that!



440. Post 3606368 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.23h):

Quote from: Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย on November 16, 2013, 10:44:03 PM
the working class is buying in china and they have free time on the weekends.

Any evidence to support that hypothesis or is that just made up because "It might probably be true" ?



441. Post 3657107 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.27h):

Quote from: tempt on November 20, 2013, 10:58:39 PM
why doesnt BTC-E Catch up? :O

That would be way too complicated to explain.



442. Post 3657364 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.27h):

Quote from: Voodah on November 20, 2013, 11:30:38 PM
Can anyone tell me how long does it take for a bank transfer to get into BTC-E ?


5-7 days, read their FAQ

Thanks but I am not interested in the FAQ answer.

I want to know the real practical answer from someone doing it on a regular basis.

I only take money out not put it in. I know that's not helping. But you can take a hint Wink



443. Post 3680952 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: oda.krell on November 23, 2013, 12:54:48 AM

I'm getting seriously fed up with Bitstamp.

I haven't given up hope entirely yet. They don't *need* to end up like mtgox :/
why?



444. Post 3681003 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: jatajuta on November 23, 2013, 01:06:58 AM

I'm getting seriously fed up with Bitstamp.

I haven't given up hope entirely yet. They don't *need* to end up like mtgox :/
why?


FYI I left gox before their trouble started.

They have none of my money since months. And I didn't even sign up at bitstamp.



445. Post 3681067 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

I'm not really indifferent, but when I smell make belief pseudo professionalism I run away and take my money with me.
Worked for me so far. Smiley



446. Post 3687072 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: Richy_T on November 23, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
Bitcoin has no "inherent value" (or what it does have contributes trivially) and is of limited supply. Thus there is nothing which provides a downward price pressure other than sentiment. What many claim as a weakness is actually a strength (As is the case with the many things that people often criticize about Bitcoin)



*I don't believe in inherent value but am using it here as a shorthand which I hope we all understand.
Also see the south sea bubble



447. Post 3690078 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Another 600 was just dumped onto gox.



448. Post 3696439 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: Zangelbert Bingledack on November 24, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
I should really post my wisdom concerning position management, because so many are clueless about it.

Please do. Ultimately, lack of understanding or thought about position management is probably responsible for a lot of weak handedness, because people don't have complete confidence in what they're doing. Once they start to panic, they think only of fiat assets and dump everything.

The trick is to panic first. Smiley



449. Post 3702774 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: YoYa on November 25, 2013, 12:52:59 AM
Quote
The mysterious account that made the investment had at one point accumulated 77,600 bitcoin, mostly through “mining” operations, an amount which would now be worth approximately $64 million.

Looks like we finally found the real true 64 million dollar question! Is this bullish? Or bearish?  Tongue

That depends, do you think there is 64 million dollar wanting to buy coins right now? What's the sum of all orderbooks on all exchanges?
Is it more than 64 million dollar?



450. Post 3703437 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Just sell and you can have one.



451. Post 3710228 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: mccorvic on November 25, 2013, 05:24:59 PM
But still, everybody knows that Bitcoin is the real thing, and the rest just clones and scamcoins.
Scamcoins are like gambling, poor people clinging to delusions of riches ripped off by those who understand the game.

Word.  One of my favorite things in life is to find an altcoin supporter and whittle away their arguments until they literally admit "I don't care, I just want USD!"

You want USD too.
Oh and LTC outperformed Bitcoin since the respective genesis blocks. u jelly??



452. Post 3710286 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: mccorvic on November 25, 2013, 05:34:51 PM
Your dabbling actually delegitimizes bitcoin and what it is trying to do.  As one of the most common critiques is "What just stops someone from making derpcoin and making my holdings worth less?" You just prove them right and are actually making your bitcoins worth less.  You are participating in irrational behavior. Stop it.
Easily debunked.
If I trade my Bitcoins for Litecoins I'll usually do it instead of trading them for Dollars, and since the price of LTC follows BTC it actually decreases the selling pressure.



453. Post 3710347 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: jojo69 on November 25, 2013, 05:39:49 PM


Your dabbling actually delegitimizes bitcoin and what it is trying to do.  As one of the most common critiques is "What just stops someone from making derpcoin and making my holdings worth less?" You just prove them right and are actually making your bitcoins worth less.  You are participating in irrational behavior. Stop it.

Hey!  derpcoinz goin' TO DA MOON asshole!  All you BTC fanboyz gon be cryin little pussy tears after da DERPCOIN REVOLUTION yo

derp!



454. Post 3710541 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

lol 2012er Cheesy



455. Post 3711947 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.28h):

Quote from: rpietila on November 25, 2013, 08:03:24 PM
My point exactly. As China is no more buying our coins, who is left to raise the price?

you



456. Post 3729111 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.29h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on November 26, 2013, 11:56:51 PM
I' going to put champagne in the fridge  Grin

that seems prudent...brb

Tomorrow your boss calling you in bed: "Where the Fuck are you!"
You: "Fuck you I'm sleeping and btw: I quit! Bye bye now"



The day after tomorrow: Scandal concerning all Bitcoin exchanges, price tanks to 1%



457. Post 3729847 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.29h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on November 27, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
Stamp and Gox feel like opposite ends of a bouncing slinky.
lol



458. Post 3739000 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.29h):

I always think he's gonna get run over.



459. Post 3740334 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: Rampion on November 27, 2013, 06:44:18 PM
Media exposure is huge this time.

Big indeed. This time we go mainstream for real, baby.

5 digits by next year.

I can't tell if you are trolling, really.



460. Post 3740492 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

As "by next year" that sounded like by Jan 1st 2014.



461. Post 3754130 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Nemesis, congrats you are the first bullish troll to make it into the piss orange ignorebutton club.



462. Post 3754173 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: thoughtfan on November 28, 2013, 04:33:06 PM
  Man, do these guys make awesome predictions.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=suyOUiInQwA#t=616

Please issue Alex Jones warning when posting such links!

Did you know he uses the same shitty forum software as bitcointalk? Grin



463. Post 3754290 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: thoughtfan on November 28, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
  Man, do these guys make awesome predictions.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=suyOUiInQwA#t=616

Please issue Alex Jones warning when posting such links!

Did you know he uses the same shitty forum software as bitcointalk? Grin
No but if anyone here ever got the impression we were a bunch of nutters, a 5 minute visit to his would soon give you the impression bitcointalk is full of the wisest and most intellectual people on the planet!

They are also easier to troll, but not as funny Wink



464. Post 3758853 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

whale mating on gox.



465. Post 3759078 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Might be Karpeles trying to lure more of you into his honeypot, if not it's working anyway. Wink



466. Post 3762480 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: elux on November 29, 2013, 06:43:02 AM
@Holiday indicated that parity with gold was reached earlier.
Gold is now just 10 cents higher than BTC all time high.



That should read GoxBux vs ComexPromises.
It's true if the cross exchange weighted price and the retail price of one oz Bullion including agio are equal. Only then can one real Bitcoin be worth one real Ounce of Gold.



467. Post 3766874 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: macsga on November 29, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
Double Bottom People!!! @ $1134 on Gox. Expect Bull's attack!

airbrushed bums again

I could photograph mine but it's a bit hairy  Grin Grin Grin



468. Post 3766981 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: TheKoziTwo on November 29, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
Feels like they're pushing a get rich scheme



469. Post 3767072 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: TheKoziTwo on November 29, 2013, 03:15:40 PM
So with the "get rich quick" schemers on board is that a bullish sign or a bearish sign?  Huh
IDK ask them.



470. Post 3767663 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

now?



471. Post 3767740 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

*starts whistling*



472. Post 3767908 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.30h):

Quote from: Painful Truth on November 29, 2013, 04:35:56 PM
ok guys who of you produced this advertising pitch?

http://moneymorning.com/ext/bitcoin/videos/video-bitcoin.php

how come I've never stumbled upon this before?

wow.. is this satire?

seems like one.. as if the get-rich-quick community makes a bitcoin ad.  Cheesy Edison is Satoshi? wtf

I think poes law applies in this case.



473. Post 3781475 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: SnowMonkey_CG on November 30, 2013, 04:28:31 PM
British Island Wants to Make Physical Bitcoins with UK Royal Mint Deal

http://www.coindesk.com/british-island-physical-bitcoins-uk-royal-mint/

They are made of gold so when the price collapses you can melt it down to recover some of the investment.
I find this not the least but ironic.



474. Post 3796513 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: niothor on December 02, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
Waiting for the board to turn bearish again Smiley. And of course for bitcoin price to go up in the meantime.

Besides the $2 bottom of 2011 I never saw the board bearish.



475. Post 3796991 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: mmitech on December 02, 2013, 05:48:03 PM
something strange is going on with gox, or bitcoinity is not working well





and bitcoinwisdom shows


http://nerdr.com/bitcoin-exchange-scam-bitcoins-are-worthless/


I know, I know, that's just a ridiculous accusation without any evidence.  Roll Eyes



476. Post 3811873 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: Vycid on December 03, 2013, 09:04:44 PM
it's priced in.
4.5% of all bitcoins ever to exist are acquired by a single scammer and prices are 93% of the ATH.
That's not priced in.



477. Post 3811964 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: mmitech on December 03, 2013, 09:18:16 PM
where do you think he will sell that amount of Bitcoin, all exchanges are AML and KYC compliants even BTC-e is, when he deposit them to the exchange they will bust his ass
BTC-e compliant, lol



478. Post 3811973 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: Richy_T on December 03, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: ElectricMucus_on_every_post
The sky is falling

Quite

DOOOM!!!



479. Post 3812050 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: mmitech on December 03, 2013, 09:25:03 PM
where do you think he will sell that amount of Bitcoin, all exchanges are AML and KYC compliants even BTC-e is, when he deposit them to the exchange they will bust his ass
BTC-e compliant, lol

believe it or not yes you cannot deposit or withdraw FIAT without providing an issued ID by your government and a prove of residence

I did just that several times.



480. Post 3812314 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on December 03, 2013, 09:31:19 PM
BTCe will get shut down eventually and probably take the entire altcoin scene with it.
By whom?



481. Post 3812575 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on December 03, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
it's priced in.
4.5% of all bitcoins ever to exist are acquired by a single scammer and prices are 93% of the ATH.
That's not priced in.

What's price in is that he might be able to dump. All bets are off if/when it is determined that he can and will.

What's not priced in is that a scam of this magnitude sends a sign that Bitcoin hasn't evolved out of the scummy clusterfuck it was two years ago at all.



482. Post 3812617 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Uh and I apologize it's just 0.45%, thanks Voodah.



483. Post 3812632 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: Patel on December 03, 2013, 10:12:16 PM
BTCe will get shut down eventually and probably take the entire altcoin scene with it.
By whom?
The USSA

& BTC-e is just a matter of time before it gets shut down. They service US customers, so there is the feds main reason to shut it down.

lol Russia.



484. Post 3812891 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

BTC-e probably will outlast mtgox.



485. Post 3812953 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Vycid: Care to tell us where you got the information that btc-e is in Bulgaria? I get the feeling you are a little butthurt that this little exchange not only provides the best rates while it's run in a dilettantish fashion it has provided a more stable and secure service than everybody else. Have a little FUD?



486. Post 3813058 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: Aido on December 03, 2013, 10:45:39 PM
Care to tell us where you got the information that btc-e is in Bulgaria?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=btce



Please just 1 (one) original and verifiable source.



487. Post 3813523 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

The best course of action for the guy is to extort Bitcoins from you guys on a bitcoin related tor site by means of a signed message saying: Send me more coins or I will dump. Grin



488. Post 3824566 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.31h):

Quote from: zoinky on December 04, 2013, 07:10:10 PM
Wow... People here are so gullible.

Kind of scary.

Are you scared of clowns too?



489. Post 3828622 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

Nice sale



490. Post 3828781 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on December 05, 2013, 12:53:25 AM
Let's show the guy a bubble!

don't fucking try to create a bubble you idiots.



491. Post 3828869 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

The twitter reactions almost make me smell the blood on the street after the selloff though. I don't think it will be for another two weeks but still.



492. Post 3828946 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on December 05, 2013, 01:15:26 AM
The twitter reactions almost make me smell the blood on the street after the selloff though. I don't think it will be for another two weeks but still.

Because some 120 yr old said something about technology?   


IDK, are you a 120yo using twitter?



493. Post 3829135 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

lol btc-e is going down



494. Post 3829196 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

Ron Paul should buy Bitcoins.

The result can only be funny. I would enjoy a shouting match between him and greenspan more but I will settle for that. Smiley



495. Post 3829539 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

The price of Bitcoins is crashing SELL SELL SELL!



496. Post 3832564 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.32h):

Isn't a bitcoin exchange a financial institution or could be described that way?



497. Post 3858063 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.33h):

Breaking news: Officials arrest BTCChina founder Bobby Lee!














.... not yet

I love these times. Cheesy



498. Post 3858177 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.33h):

lol that really gave some a good scare Grin



499. Post 3869975 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.34h):

Quote from: justusranvier on December 07, 2013, 09:14:35 PM
Saving is good, hoarding like a lunatic is not.
The beauty of Bitcoin is that people like you can't forcefully impose your subjective preferences on anyone other than yourself.

Famous last words.



500. Post 3872308 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 08, 2013, 01:41:24 AM


someone remind me,
why does the picture ALWAYS look like this?

Because it shows the bid depth in BTC not USD.



501. Post 3872572 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 08, 2013, 03:00:16 AM
" long slow decline "


markets climb slowly and drop fast.

thats just how it works

their will never be a  long slow decline.



You don't remember 2 years ago?



502. Post 3872589 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.34h):

lol, continue to look for excuses.



503. Post 3872626 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 08, 2013, 03:08:06 AM
lol, continue to look for excuses.

its not an excuses
its a fact

and 2 years ago

we went down and down and down
because we had bad news after bad news after bad news.
it was brutal
but you know what i did
i looked past the bad news and i bought more and more as we went lower and lower.


well, you took the words right out of my mouth.



504. Post 3885329 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.34h):

Bull trap finished, lets wreck this shit.



505. Post 3926245 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.36h):

Or they'll laugh their asses off.



506. Post 3956222 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.37h):

Quote from: Voodah on December 14, 2013, 12:12:47 AM
I heard today Casascius has the Fincen breathing down on him??

Can anyone confirm?

http://www.coindesk.com/us-regulators-bitcoin-mint-casascius-shut/

Well fuck. That's retarded.



owned.



507. Post 3963386 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.38h):

DUUUMP



508. Post 3971546 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.38h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 15, 2013, 03:45:16 AM
anything that adamstgbit says is void in my book.  his predictions have costed me over $4k

You based your trades on what someone said on an internet forum?   Huh

price is gana crash fucking hard now

everyone that bought and didnt understand what bitcoin was about,  is about to LOSE their bitcoins by selling it to someone that "gets it"

seriously noobs sell in a bear market...

you are starting to look like a clown.



509. Post 3971577 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.38h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 15, 2013, 03:50:05 AM
price will go up and down, but my bullishness will always be correct.
until it's not.

that said I can't wait till you turn bear again. It's about time...



510. Post 4022555 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.41h):

Quote from: Loaded on December 18, 2013, 09:18:53 AM
This is why I tell people bitcoin will succeed. Any amount can be moved around the world in minutes. While I'm on the phone for hours with "personal bankers" who are supposed to be there for you 24/7, and still can't get a wire into any exchange in a timely fashion. This is my money, and my clients money, we should be able to move it wherever we want. We're talking 10s of millions, not some small transfer where they'll screw around with you for calling late at night.

Time's up. Cashed out some yet?



511. Post 4031581 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.42h):

Quote from: gandhibt on December 18, 2013, 09:27:22 PM
major buys

lol right



512. Post 4034559 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.42h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on December 19, 2013, 12:14:58 AM
Depressing: Lost ~$50k this crash (in btc) thus far.

Somewhat Uplifting: Before Bitcoin, didn't have 50k to lose.  

I'm over it.  Bitcoin will recover (as it has 5x times already).  It's one resilient SOB.   Grin

The collapse of hubris has begun indeed.



513. Post 4049304 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.43h):

That overstock interview smells fishy.



514. Post 4051401 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.43h):

Quote from: CryptStorm on December 20, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
I am buying with cash, gold, and some silver.

I am long term bullish, but sell when clients want to. Inducing panic only hurts my own holdings, which I have not sold a single BTC of.

Your life is pretty interesting. Very cool-- thank you for your decency. Bitcoin is good peeps. Cheers

Tip for our dear early adopters, if you get are annoyed by these "Loaded" guys, take a notice how he mentioned buying with gold and silver.
If you read between the lines they are close to exhausting their funds. I wouldn't hope for a bunch of bigger suckers at this point....



515. Post 4054127 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.43h):

Quote from: Holliday on December 20, 2013, 07:08:34 AM
good morning forum members, so it looks that we are going up Smiley
Well China has just dipped so it is interesting to see if there is a full-on detachment of pricing between there and the rest of the world.  Kinda interesting.

Kinda awesome is what it is.   It is where we have to get to before we can move on.   If one exchange can be taken out, and it has this much effect on BTC then we are in deep trouble.  

We have to learn to let individual exchanges do their thing when they go off the deep end . . .

When exchanges go belly up, what is the preferred asset to be in? Fiat or Bitcoin?

I know my answer, but I'm sure that most people prefer the clunky one that is heavily regulated and hard to move around...

That's because it doesn't crash in value in such an event. Being subject to capital controls doesn't matter for most, is only a minor inconvenience for some but a loss in purchasing power is a deal breaker.



516. Post 4054487 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.43h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on December 20, 2013, 08:13:06 AM
Bitfinex has $9m on loan, which is 12.5K BTC @ $700.
12.5K BTC takes us down to $550 on gox.


Is that total for shorts?

Thats the $ people have borrowed to buy BTC. At some point they will need to sell the BTC to pay back the $.

You can "Claim" the BTC once you have gained enough to pay off the loan. No BTC is sold in this case.

That's incorrect. When you exit a long postition on bitfinex, BTC are sold (directly on bfx or via bitstamp).


So what does this mean on their page?


That you don't have to pay if you aren't using leverage.



517. Post 4065124 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 20, 2013, 11:06:21 PM
wall back!  Cheesy

simi-cheap coinz 0 slippage!



You can't afford them.



518. Post 4071293 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.44h):

Quote from: DaRude on December 21, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
good morning guys, so what happened last night ? I see a dump that brought us to 550 and it seems that this appeared only on stamp ....

Hmm yeah what's up with that 2.6k market sell that brought stamp to $550? Is that a glitch cause the market didn't react at all

There are no glitches. That was an attempt to trigger the panic prematurely.



519. Post 4078932 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.45h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on December 21, 2013, 09:57:36 PM
It's a good thing we have all this manipulation by exchanges. Can't have the price going the wrong direction. Grin



That's not funny because it's true.

You don't get it: It's funny that it is true.



520. Post 4088195 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.45h):

Quote from: magicmexican on December 22, 2013, 01:08:18 PM

dead cat bounce



521. Post 4098082 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.45h):

Quote from: mellowyellow on December 23, 2013, 03:08:31 AM
Who is this guy fontas? You think he really has the 400k to dump?

(reading btc-e trollbox - http://trollboxarchive.com/search.php?search_type=all&search=fontas )

Somebody has.
https://blockchain.info/address/1AYtnRppWM7tWQaVLpm7TvcHKrjKxgCRvX



522. Post 4098161 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.45h):

Quote from: mb300sd on December 23, 2013, 03:17:15 AM

From 2011. Probably gox or sr

Could be many different things. The round value makes me think there is more where that came from.



523. Post 4109257 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.45h):

disgusting



524. Post 4139423 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.46h):

Quote from: molecular on December 25, 2013, 05:35:43 PM
So you are saying bitcoin is overbought, i say its a trend reversal

On low volume? Yeah, man, you are an expert.
Use logscale, idiot

Even on logscale bears don't have much time left:



no need for name-calling. If you sold and the market gets away you have only yourself to blame. But don't worry, it was the correct decision at the time. Always.



Right, the price totally can not move sideways through a trend-line and then make it's move.



525. Post 4143054 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.46h):

Quote from: doctor877 on December 25, 2013, 10:43:22 PM
I dont understand these who are saying that China is out, haven't you guys done your research, China is all but out.. They still are holding about 70% of the btc markets volume. So I'm 100% sure that _IF_ chinese gov keep hitting the chinese exchanges like in the past, we are going to see 3rd flash crash.

Source: http://data.bitcoinity.org/#caaaaadgaa

huobi has been accused of faking a good part of their volume, don't know if it's true.
But that has not as much to do with it. A crash comes when it comes.



526. Post 4145029 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.46h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on December 26, 2013, 01:16:27 AM
Do you guys understand that even if the market volumes are all bogus and made up to simulate buys to give an illusion of rising value, and then the exchanges would get cought doing this, then no actual laws would be broken and noone would actually be held responsible?
That's the horrifying thing. There is every incentive to do this, and it will only get more and more sophisticated.

At least we know that when it's time to all end how it will happen. Wink



527. Post 4154803 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.46h):

Quote from: bobdude17 on December 26, 2013, 05:24:06 PM
http://www.scmp.com/business/banking-finance/article/1390224/peripheral-bitcoin-services-bitpay-safer-investment-bitcoin(from reddit)

The richest man in Asia invested in Bitpay. Let the Asian panic buying begin. Cheesy

fake as fuck



528. Post 4157444 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.47h):

The amount of hubris here lets me think we are already at the peak of this suckers rally.



529. Post 4161321 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.47h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on December 27, 2013, 01:09:33 AM
It really baffles me that after one month of Chinese madness we still don't have a single english speaking Chinese here in the forums telling us how it is over there..

Are they blocked/not allowed to browse to the forum ?? What about TOR ? There's gotta be more than a couple english speaking chinese out there... Not a single one here? Cmon...

Are you here man from China? Speak up!

Don't you guys think it's fishy at the very least?

No. It was all pump hype by a few Amurikans who traded w themselves, creating 99% of the volume on chinese exchanges.

Occams Razor is a too complicated instrument for most Bitcoiners.



530. Post 4196697 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.48h):

Quote from: aminorex on December 29, 2013, 04:05:02 AM
the phrase 'magic internet money' has a lot of resonance.  for those who do not understand it, the phrase captures the inherent absurdity of placing fiduciary trust in a mysterious incantation promoted by the primary current source of misinformation disinformation chicanery and charlatanry.  for those who do understand it, it captures the awe of a technological masterpiece, the marvel of the untrammeled vistas of future innovation, the absence of counterparty risk,  and the creative power of value added through network effects.



I think you got the two mixed up.



531. Post 4249469 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.49h):

Quote from: solex on January 01, 2014, 05:06:49 AM
I think he means 2014 will be the year when Dogecoin overtakes Bitcoin.

Why is the price of Bitcoin now 750 USD, rather than 0.75 USD or 75,000 USD?

Why would a business accept Bitcoin but not Litecoin, Dogecoin, or CitiBankCoin?



Would you store gold in a vault with a 10 foot thick steel door or a vault with a door made of plywood?

https://blockchain.info/stats

Look at the bottom stat on this page. I means something very significant.


Someone has to 51% one of these coins one day. 

As soon as the Litecoin ASIC rolls out I expect several of the minor coins to get pillaged.


So where are the asic pillaged sha256 altcoins?



532. Post 4266209 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.49h):

China wants to move down, bitstamp wants to move down. Just the goxians are clinging to the cliff what will happen?



533. Post 4266242 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.49h):

Quote from: Peter R on January 02, 2014, 07:19:50 AM
I doubt we're gonna see a 50k coin dump ever again.

The market has matured. People with that amount of coins know they can get easily get a better OTC deal these days.
I'm just assuming here, but I am assuming that order sizes above a certain threshold are approximately exponentially distributed.  We've seen 4k dumped more than once in the past day or two.  I think we're going to see a 50k dump (without doing the math here, which is notionally trivial, but I can't be bothered to do it ATM) certainly within the month, feasibly any day. 

I agree with Voodah that the market has matured and that 50k dumps are much less probably, but I also agree with aminorex that they are still certainly possible and that we should in fact expect one eventually.  It takes a fairly sophisticated individual to arrange a OTC deal with a Wall Street hedge fund or Chinese tycoon.  There *must* still be early miners, maybe 23 years old, completely mind-blown by the fact that they have $80,000,000 in bitcoins.  Eventually one of them just says, "I'm getting the fuck out of Dodge" and does something stupid. 


A friendly reminder about how reality looks like:
http://buttcoin.org/easy-like-sunday-morning



534. Post 4266727 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.49h):

Quote from: alexeft on January 02, 2014, 07:43:07 AM
50K was dumped in May. At the time, the order books were so deep that the dump only brought the price from $127 to $118 - only 9% slippage, and then the month long downtrend began. Now look at our current order books - even if you combine mtgox and bitstamp - the same dump would reduce the price to $450, a 45% drop... Think about that for a moment. Bid support my ass.

Then nobody will dump 50k coins. Just the slippage will stop them.

Then they just put in an askwall.



535. Post 4266757 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.49h):

Quote from: TERA on January 02, 2014, 07:40:31 AM
You guys have forgotten how even the title of this very thread was created.

Adam look, you can now close the thread.



536. Post 4266914 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.49h):

Quote from: Peter R on January 02, 2014, 08:23:28 AM
Myself and others have done several large withdrawals successfully from cavirtex--never had a problem.  In fact, the only problem I've ever had was getting money in to the exchange.  In Vancouver we have an active 'local bitcoins' community too; if you'd take a 10-15% discount to cavirtex, you could sell $100,000 tomorrow for cash.  

I'm wondering if those stories are in fact completely made up.



537. Post 4277195 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.50h):

lol look at all the panic buyers Grin



538. Post 4277908 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.50h):

Quote from: T.Stuart on January 02, 2014, 10:12:27 PM
Be fearful when others become greedy.
Be fearful when you become greedy is also a good one!

If you are bipolar...



539. Post 4278290 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.50h):

Quote from: geri on January 02, 2014, 10:39:27 PM
I'm getting addicted to staring at candles, I should just let the orders sit and ignore it.


Please place bids, pretty plz, plz plz plz  plz plz  Cry

pleeeeeasse!  Embarrassed Embarrassed Huh Huh Huh



540. Post 4278373 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.50h):

Should I psychoanalyse you as well?

...
You seem to be the guy who pretends he dont gets it.



541. Post 4329280 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.51h):

Quote from: notme on January 05, 2014, 05:38:59 PM
What happened to the usual weekend dip? I tried to day trade it and now I'm stuck in worthless depreciating fiat. Good thing it was only one coin, one I bought for $17.00  ;-)

You've been around long enough that you should know not to do that unless we have been trending down for the week already.  In other cases it is too risky precisely because people do it anyway.  Bulls know this and will ramp it on the weekends when they have control.

I guess I'm too much of a contrarian. I bought that coin on the way down from $31 in 2011 (along with a few others). I was selling the whole ramp up from $350 to $1200 and buying back on the way down. My biggest mistake was taking my profits in fiat instead of BTC. Stupid dollars. What am I supposed to do with those? Wipe my butt?

Exactly.  Any fool could have made USD profits in this market the past couple years.  If you can't increase your btc, don't trade unless you need fiat or are looking to exit the market.

Next: The inevitable collapse of hubris. TM



542. Post 4329370 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.51h):

Quote from: notme on January 05, 2014, 06:04:58 PM

The only thing missing is the one thing I wanted to know as soon as I saw what he made: what are the rules for verifying price quotes and how can we trust the sources not to manipulate the signal for their own gain?

If you can solve that problem, you're golden.

lol that's already part of the ripple protocol



543. Post 4329662 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.51h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on January 05, 2014, 06:16:36 PM
Next: The inevitable collapse of hubris. TM

Whose hubris collapses is yet to be determined. Wink

Touche.

 Grin

All hubris collapses.



544. Post 4339787 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.51h):

lol the winkledouches are out of money.



545. Post 4339973 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.51h):

Lets face it we're all here to get each others money in one way or the other, and when somebody looses their it's time for celebrations. Grin
No hard feelings, that just the way it is.



546. Post 4367748 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.52h):

Who are those people who first panic buy only to panic sell? I mean please continue. Cheesy



547. Post 4373319 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.52h):

Know about the ICE train disasters in Germany?



548. Post 4374169 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.52h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on January 07, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
In order to use media to make trade decisions you would need to speak every world language fluently, subscribe to thousands of media formats and read them daily.

you mean you don't do that?

No, I'm too lazy. I just use my time machine to jump forward and look at the price.
Next time you go would you mind picking up a copy of next year's charts for me please?  Thanks

Here ya go.



Nevermind that the price did enter the 2011 bar higher than it did exit it.



549. Post 4454373 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: Ducky1 on January 11, 2014, 09:12:08 PM

Thanks, I have seen most of the presentation. It makes me understand why the double exponential price curve for bitcoin is a very possible senario.



Very interesting conversation about God/silver markets - http://www.silverdoctors.com/long-wrong-ned-naylor-leyland-on-the-last-little-trickle-of-the-gold-repatriation-game/#

Certainly builds confidence to that "something" will happen pretty soon.

Has long been debunked.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/08/03/the_monetary_base_is_irrelevant.html



550. Post 4454685 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: bassclef on January 11, 2014, 09:28:47 PM
Well, if electricmucus says so, it must be true.

Well in this case it's this slate.com blogger, not me.



551. Post 4454963 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Anyway anybody with half a brain probably gets it by looking at this chart:


Of course when you purposefully deny the possibility that what the economic collapse next week bloggers tell you is wrong you might choose to ignore it.



552. Post 4455106 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on January 11, 2014, 10:04:18 PM
Speaking of ignore, why can't I see that pretty piss yellow ignore color of yours? Are your posts improving?

No theymos turned off the feature, actually I think I have overtaken at least smoothie by now.
He wrote something about it requiring to many server resources or something.



553. Post 4455306 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: [Default Trust] is Tyrannically Centralized! (goat) on January 11, 2014, 10:12:31 PM
Speaking of ignore, why can't I see that pretty piss yellow ignore color of yours? Are your posts improving?

No theymos turned off the feature, actually I think I have overtaken at least smoothie by now.
He wrote something about it requiring to many server resources or something.

yup, i miss ignore :/

maybe we should start a fund raising drive so this forum can afford new hardware?

haha good one.



554. Post 4455595 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: traderCJ on January 11, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
Anyway anybody with half a brain probably gets it by looking at this chart:


Of course when you purposefully deny the possibility that what the economic collapse next week bloggers tell you is wrong you might choose to ignore it.

Lol, that article is a hoot.  For instance:

Quote
Or, rather, all the money that's been created is sequestered from the actual economy and may as well not exist for most purposes.

That chart shows the monetary base expansion under TARP and QE1,2,3.  The money is used to buy gov't bonds or other financial assets.  That is the official claim from the Fed.  Either the Fed is lying or the author is an idiot.  If the author is correct, the Fed is lying.  In this case, the money is probably parked in the banks waiting to cover a massive, anticipated run on bank accounts.  Chances are, however, that the author is a moron and the money is simply being injected into the world economy at some unknown rate.

Even if the FED is lying and the author is an idiot the US doesn't appear to head into an area of hyperinflation.
And actually there is an article which explains what the FED actually think it is doing, it's too complicated for me but since you claim to know all about economics perhaps you get something out of it.
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/current_issues/ci15-8.pdf



555. Post 4456230 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: traderCJ on January 11, 2014, 10:57:52 PM
Even if the FED is lying and the author is an idiot the US doesn't appear to head into an area of hyperinflation.
And actually there is an article which explains what the FED actually think it is doing, it's too complicated for me but since you claim to know all about economics perhaps you get something out of it.
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/current_issues/ci15-8.pdf

Inflation is inevitable once that money fully enters into circulation.  Precisely where that money went and what it's being used for is not a matter of public knowledge.  But you can bet that it won't just sit somewhere.  All the goldbugs are saying is "They created a tremendous amount of money over a very short period and it will eventually be used.  The question is when and how."

The question is will you be around by then? And the point is, yes exactly it just sits somewhere, just the FED pays interest on it, just like the bank pay the fed on another part of their funds.
They can regulate how much interest they pay and as such better adjust liquidity for inter-bank loans.



556. Post 4456339 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: solex on January 11, 2014, 11:06:40 PM
The long-term chart shows even more that fiat is suffering from each round of QE just as a heroin addict suffers each time he rides the dragon.
Yellen is a raving money-printer. No improvement in sight.

[snip]

no doubt you gonna show up parroting the same ramblings debunked in the previous post.



557. Post 4456531 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on January 11, 2014, 11:18:59 PM
Anyway anybody with half a brain probably gets it by looking at this chart:

These type of charts need log-scale or something similar.  I would be much more interested in knowing what the average yearly % increase in monetary supply is, than a chart that says "omfg, look how high this goes".

agreed.



558. Post 4459324 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 12, 2014, 02:06:52 AM

A more libertarian analysis of the phenomenon from three years ago here

http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/money-supply-th/

I'll just add that that article is a large part of why I jumped on Bitcoin as soon as I found out about it and understood its fundamentals.

Curious, what does the article say why this is bad? I can't make out any argument, just a prolonged statement that it is.

Oh and the analogies suck. (The fear mongering too)



559. Post 4467476 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

that wall will poof so fast after just 100btc of volume sold above it. There are no bids accumulating so the wall owner seems to take them out regularly.



560. Post 4468258 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: Erdogan on January 12, 2014, 05:16:43 PM

A more libertarian analysis of the phenomenon from three years ago here

http://www.samizdata.net/2010/06/money-supply-th/

I'll just add that that article is a large part of why I jumped on Bitcoin as soon as I found out about it and understood its fundamentals.

Curious, what does the article say why this is bad? I can't make out any argument, just a prolonged statement that it is.

Oh and the analogies suck. (The fear mongering too)

The article says that at the same time credit is expanded in the housing and sovereign bond market, credit is sucked out of the private space. This is done through the banks, they have deposited their money with the fed. A dollar deposited with the fed, is multiple dollars removed from the private sector due to the fractional reserve banking money multiplier. The banks have done this because the fed started to pay interest on the voluntary excess reserves. The sum withdrawn from the private sector matches the expansion in government debt. This is bad, because it adds to the planned economy and reduces the free economy.

You are presenting a Circular argument.
In case you haven't noticed: Excess reserves aren't supposed to be in the public hand in the first place or part of any economy. And that they aren't suggests that the FED is doing something right.




561. Post 4638332 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.57h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 21, 2014, 01:39:53 AM
this is BITCOINtalk.org, not Dogecointalk. You fuckers are just being rude. I don't go to your house, piss in the flowerpot and shit on your rug. Please do us the same courtesy. You have your own, threads, your own subforum, your own reddit. use them and leave us alone. We don't want you here. You are like juveniles. you missed the early adopter phase and you think it's unfair. tough shit. life ain't fair. It'll be even less fair when your shitcoin tanks but I won't invade your space and gloat about it cuz, you know, I'm better than you. Now do me the favor of fucking off and possibly dying, but that last part is up to you. Thanks.

Reactions like this are part of the reason why dogecoin exists.



562. Post 4638691 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.57h):

lol so much hate, almost makes me wanna buy doges, it seems I'm not the only one who thinks that way.



563. Post 4749441 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

lol and Huobi is moving down.



564. Post 4749783 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

Quote from: T.Stuart on January 26, 2014, 01:01:06 PM
lol and Huobi is moving down.

You know it's getting bad when you've got your eyes glued on the minute scale!  Cheesy

continue to pay >0.5% fee sucker.



565. Post 4749843 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

bids on gox are running away.



566. Post 4760008 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

lol @ ignoring proudhon



567. Post 4807726 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.00h):

Quote from: esse83 on January 28, 2014, 11:09:28 PM
Wondering about that 0.1 bot at gox?

http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1vkp9o/daily_discussion_sunday_january_19_2014/cetk51b

Most likely the volume is fake all over the place to keep the business afloat.

In that regard I always like to post this.
http://nerdr.com/bitcoin-exchange-scam-bitcoins-are-worthless/



568. Post 4808294 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.00h):

Quote from: Chalkbot on January 28, 2014, 11:19:18 PM
In that regard I always like to post this.
http://nerdr.com/bitcoin-exchange-scam-bitcoins-are-worthless/


Haha, you wrote that email, didn't you, Mucus? It's okay to admit it now.

If I did that would feel like some accomplishment, so no.



569. Post 4824066 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

Also he's been admittedly diagnosed with a bipolar disorder.



570. Post 4824145 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

Quote from: fonzie on January 29, 2014, 07:26:01 PM
Also he's been admittedly diagnosed with a bipolar disorder.

Does that make you feel kinda strong if you post this???
No, just saying. I'm a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic btw.
I think I've "catched it" from listening to Alex Jones.



571. Post 4824410 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

hahaha look at the butthurt



572. Post 4824470 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

Quote from: bangersdad on January 29, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
Also he's been admittedly diagnosed with a bipolar disorder.

Does that make you feel kinda strong if you post this???
No, just saying. I'm a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic btw.
I think I've "catched it" from listening to Alex Jones.

i hope you mean you've been listening to the author Alexander Jones and not Alex Jones from the one show.

this guy



573. Post 4824540 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on January 29, 2014, 07:47:21 PM
Can i even sell my ripples somewhere? I think i have some left

ElectricMucus will buy them.  Cheesy


I make a habit of not "buying" digital currencies directly. I'm content with the amount I can get without wiring money to exchanges.



574. Post 4824651 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

lololololol



575. Post 4824851 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

hahahahaha this is priceless to watch.



576. Post 4825503 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

Quote from: uvwvj on January 29, 2014, 08:34:19 PM
AndreasMAntonopoulos‏@aantonop·3 mins
NYDFS has firmly established itself as a FUDster and a joke. Bitcoin investors: this is the new environment in NY. Leave now.

I've heard it's cold in Detroit.



577. Post 4846452 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.01h):

Whoever said trolling hard isn't worth it...



578. Post 5010530 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.04h):

haha I hope gox takes all fiat and dump all coins on bitstamp and then run like hell. It has been so long since the last major scam, it's about time.



579. Post 5022584 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.04h):

Quote from: Feri22 on February 08, 2014, 07:50:37 PM
Yes, soon the price will go up or down
Nice catch




It might also go sideways all weekend!  Tongue

Bitcoin is going down to 100$

When?
SOONTM



580. Post 5025842 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.04h):




581. Post 5062244 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.06h):

Quote from: stompix on February 10, 2014, 07:35:26 PM
anybody else is unable to withdraw BTC from btc-e?


Here we go again. =)))
I'm pretty sure it's temporary.
lol about this thread catching on now



582. Post 5124456 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.07h):

Quote from: KFR on February 13, 2014, 06:36:42 PM

It's a bit of a puff piece but at least it's fairly accurate. Cool


Bitcoin Developers: DDoS Fix is Ready


lol



583. Post 5125400 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.08h):

Quote from: Bullcoin on February 13, 2014, 07:31:26 PM
Missed this mornings activities - what's the reason for the drop this morning?
Idiots selling worthless promises to other idiots, as usual.



584. Post 5243947 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.13h):

gox is flat-lining.

pieeeeeeeeeeeee.....Grin



585. Post 5244711 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.13h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 19, 2014, 08:50:58 PM
Jorge is wrong; bitcoin would be a zero sum game if it operated inside a closed system, it clearly does not.

Bitcoin provides a superior medium of exchange and makes private international value transfer more efficient, by orders of magnitude, as but one example. These increased efficiencies are net gains for the wider economy and for economic actors outside the bitcoin ecosystem. Some of the increased value bought about by these efficiencies naturally flow to Bitcoin, the asset, since that is part of the mechanism they derive from. Note also that some of that net value increase flows to bitcoin, the payment network, in the form of venture capital, new businesses and amazingly volunteer coding time.

Bitcoin is absolutely Not a zero sum game. That is a stupid, shallow statement from someone with very little understanding of economic systems, or a hidden agenda to push.

It is analogous to saying the back-hoe digger is not providing any advanced utility over men with shovels and no one can make money from building and using back-hoe diggers.

who is joe?



586. Post 5244918 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.13h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 19, 2014, 09:11:20 PM

who is joe?

do you mean jorge? (hint read slowly with eyes open)

JorgeStolfi ... some self-styled 'academic' who showed up here recently pontificating (wrongly) about bitcoin.

ok thanks,

Quote
Jorge Stolfi is a full professor of computer science at the State University of Campinas, working in computer vision, image processing, splines and other function approximation methods, graph theory, computational geometry, and several other fields.

He's a computer scientist who's made a statement about the economic aspect of Bitcoin, congrats you "debunked" a out of profession statement of somebody!
Come back if he writes something about the protocol or software.



587. Post 5245082 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.13h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 19, 2014, 09:26:22 PM
Bitcoin seems intuitively faulty to people who do not understand Austrian economics the same way heliocentric theory seemed intuitively bad to non-astronomers a few hundred years ago. The truth is only obvious once the paradigm shift has been made.

lol you people just keep giving and giving.



588. Post 5245202 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.13h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on February 19, 2014, 09:33:50 PM
Suppose Gox resumes withdrawals but enforces a 10 btc per day limit. Bullish or bearish?

Suppose Gox resumes withdrawals but enforces an arbitrary limit on everybody differently. Wink



589. Post 5288573 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.15h):

Quote from: empowering on February 21, 2014, 09:02:37 PM
snip
<succumbstocripplingautism>



590. Post 5310388 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.16h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on February 23, 2014, 03:16:47 AM
Gotta give Tera credit for calling the spike at $619.88 within 12 cents.

Yes I agree nice call.

If i predict random numbers every day i will be right once in a while as well. If he could do any better than just guessing he wouldn't be here. He would be on his yacht enjoying his millions.

You're missing the point.
Ever heard the mathematician's joke about financial advisory?



591. Post 5321802 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.16h):

Quote from: fonzie on February 23, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
http://www.mtgoxtakeover.com/?q=msg

 Roll Eyes

comedy gold right here.



592. Post 5322030 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 23, 2014, 07:19:04 PM

is this for real?

When in doubt and it's related to Bitcoin the answer is always yes.



593. Post 5347256 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.18h):

Reuters: Alabama securities regulator to issue bitcoin warning
Quote
The vast majority of the complaints were about Mt. Gox, a Tokyo-based bitcoin exchange that suspended withdrawals indefinitely on Feb. 7 after it detected "unusual activity." The company is having both "security and technical challenges," according to an update on its website dated Feb. 20.

Some consumers, however, have been trying to get their money out for as long as four months, Borg said. Their initial deposits ranged from a few hundred dollars to $100,000, he said.

muahahaha



594. Post 5381240 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.20h):

Quote from: threecats on February 26, 2014, 09:16:45 AM
I am certain that it will go back down again after this rally, but even so you are missing out on 30% profit by continuing to wait till it goes back down to the $200-$300 range? It might go back down to that price range, but I assure you it will not stay at that price point for longer than a day.  

I don't like to play these unstable rises that are made up of stupidity and hype. To me, it's the same as passing the roulette table and cursing at yourself "If I should have called red at the moment, then I could have won big". Sure it would have been great to win money, but I'm not planning to earn with playing like this.

except a large percentage is not stupidity and hype, but real world market influencing events and conditions.

I think you may have difficulties distinguishing cause and effect.

The reason for this bounce is purely "technical", not "fundamental". That may not be related to stupidity but it had nothing to do with events.



595. Post 5490352 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.23h):

zyk, priceless Grin



596. Post 5513924 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.24h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on March 04, 2014, 09:58:25 PM
Quote
The uncomfortable fact for Bitcoin believers is that every major prediction they've made has yet to come true. And as time passes and the inevitable fizzle-out of Bitcoin becomes visible, those believers will splinter. More will drop out of the cult. And the ones who remain will only grow more convinced, more zealous, more eager to share the good news.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/doomsday-cult-of-bitcoin.html

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

That pretty much nails it.



597. Post 5995457 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.31h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on March 31, 2014, 04:21:56 AM
Reddit posts starting to pop up that confirm China ban....

*edit*

Here's one http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21sxal/bter_just_halted_their_cny_deposit_due_to_a/

Need proudhon to fully confirm though.



598. Post 5998049 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.31h):

Quote from: greenlion on March 31, 2014, 09:04:15 AM
"So far, two biggest exchanges Huobi and Okcoin claimed that they haven't received any notice or document yet. "

http://www.bitell.com/t/2063

Is it possible this means that China is about to start handing out actual licenses for the biggest players, like they do with practically every new industry eventually, and the exchanges that are getting notifications are the ones that haven't made the cut?

lol cognitive dissonance at work.



599. Post 5998069 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.31h):

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time



600. Post 6047462 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.32h):




601. Post 6204390 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.37h):

Quote from: TERA on April 13, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
The distribution of mining is a problem you cant deny that the majority of new hashing power is not coming from the average joe.

Why should it come from the average joe? Was bitcoin purpose the redistribution of wealth and I wasn't aware of it?
To prevent centralization, weakness, 51% attack. It also implies more participants in the bitcoin project, leading to more awareness, more investors, and a more robust economy with more services and more paths for the flow of money to take.

There is only one flow it can take in the Bitcoin economy and that is from the sucker to the scammer.



602. Post 6204438 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.37h):

Quote from: cbeast on April 13, 2014, 09:47:46 PM
There is only one flow it can take in the Bitcoin economy and that is from the sucker to the scammer.
The best definition of free market capitalism, ever.

Perhaps.

e: the trick is to scam them first!



603. Post 6369883 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: TERA on April 24, 2014, 10:53:24 AM
Huobi responding to the news in typical whatever you wouldnt think the market would do it does fashion.
what news?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-bitcoin-mtgox-bankruptcy-idUSBREA3N0KM20140424



604. Post 6369965 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: TERA on April 24, 2014, 11:01:46 AM
Why would the mtgox news cause a price increase? It's basically the worst possible outcome - mtgox isn't coming back and 200,000 coins are being liquidated into cash.

No it's not stop spreading FUD.



...
lol seriously.



605. Post 6370188 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: TERA on April 24, 2014, 11:11:27 AM
Also, why would the buying immediately start just on Huobi and nowhere ele, with the other exchanges following several minutes later? It's like they're just firing up their regular pumping routine because there is 'news' yet they don't understand what it actually is.

Pavlov's Bull.



606. Post 6370424 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: chessnut on April 24, 2014, 11:33:14 AM
Turning a bad news into a good one, defending your position..nice try   Roll Eyes

what bad news  Huh

 Cheesy huobi thinks it's GREAT news.
https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/438305658903859200



607. Post 6370539 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

http://thisisactuallygoodnews.com/getgoodnews.php?s=http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-bitcoin-mtgox-bankruptcy-idUSBREA3N0KM20140424



608. Post 6370723 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: chessnut on April 24, 2014, 11:55:55 AM
so you are a large investor, and you want 200k bitcoins.

why? sorry you lost me here.



609. Post 6370806 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: chessnut on April 24, 2014, 12:04:22 PM
so you are a large investor, and you want 200k bitcoins.

why? sorry you lost me here.

no, you are not a large investor. large investors are forward looking.

Do you know what's investment actually means?



610. Post 6370890 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

hint, actually it's related to lending money.



611. Post 6373564 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: Syke on April 24, 2014, 03:02:44 PM
Note that the percent changes (not increases) from year to year were

 2011 -> 2012  300%
 2012 -> 2013 3024%
 2013 -> 2015  314%

Neither constant, not uniformly increasing.

What will be the percent change 2014 -> 2015?

The simplest formula that will fit the three data points above is a parabola. Working in log scale, this is what I get:
http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/temp/2014-04-24-april-prices-extrap.png

Horrible chart, because you ignored valid data. You can't just ignore previous years.

JorgeStolfi is truely a master of his craft.  Shocked

e: Horrible !   Shocked



612. Post 6376340 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 24, 2014, 05:41:21 PM

difficulty is gonna rise 10,000X  Cheesy

better load up on the B.SELL derivative

actually it would be 2224 times.



613. Post 6415077 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.40h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 27, 2014, 02:08:24 AM
poeple we need to forget about 1 billion chinese poeple making us all rich beyond belief

and fouces on what really matters

making us all rich beyond belief



Posting will surely accomplish that, right?



614. Post 6460981 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.41h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on April 29, 2014, 03:59:59 PM
Isn't it ironic that the libertarian bitcoiners, champions of laissez-faire capitalism, are betting all their life savings on the hope that the Satoshi Bitcoin will be one day the only cryptocurrency in the market, so that they can charge monopoly prices for it?  Wink
That's only ironic if you believe in Libertarianism yourself.



615. Post 6461642 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.41h):

Quote from: sonofliberty on April 29, 2014, 07:21:32 PM
Isn't it ironic that the libertarian bitcoiners, champions of laissez-faire capitalism, are betting all their life savings on the hope that the Satoshi Bitcoin will be one day the only cryptocurrency in the market, so that they can charge monopoly prices for it?  Wink
That's only ironic if you believe in Libertarianism yourself.

Well, Bitcoin will never be the only cryptocurrency in the market again. But maybe the only one being actually used on a large scale, like TCP/IP.


You have no idea what we are talking about don't you?



616. Post 6463293 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.41h):

Quote from: rpietila on April 29, 2014, 09:25:46 PM
In the future 1-2 years from now, people will find it incredible that so much analysis was made over market movements in a dull time when the price hardly even broke the 0.0004-0.0005 channel...

take your meds riesto, you are coming over "that" kind of weird again.



617. Post 6480123 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.41h):

Butthurt is going up uP UP



618. Post 6520199 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.42h):

Pump, pump, pump and dump, didly di diddldy du...



619. Post 6520253 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.42h):

pumpy dumpy sat on a wall.



620. Post 6531898 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.42h):

Quote from: mah87 on May 03, 2014, 11:19:04 PM
New technologies are coming, just watch ripple grow and explode...One bank is already using the ripple network. This is just a matter of month before ripple grows exponentially, soon everybody will trade crypto currencies on ripple network.
captain ripplebagholder

you should try to learn from people who are here since a long time.... Each time I bring new arguments showing that ripple will be disruptive and that we'll trade crypto over this network ...


There is just one problem, ripplelabs is sitting on it's hands, there is no progress in terms of usability, which perfectly explains the declining prices of xrp.
Just think of what startups are expected to deliver in a one year time period and compare that to the current state of ripple, it's no surprise.



621. Post 6556842 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.42h):

mah87, stop it with the ripple stuff



622. Post 6583465 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.43h):

 when I look at the future i see a chinese soldiers boot stomping a bitcoiner forever



623. Post 6648998 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

Quote from: shmadz on May 10, 2014, 04:10:58 AM
Bitcoin may indeed be the catalyst for the energetic and lasting political effort that I think we would all like to see.

rofl



624. Post 6656578 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

Any gox comeback can only be hilarious, I mean devious. I mean HAVING OVERWHELMING AMOUNTS OF WEALTH and DEFINITELY SUCCEED IN THE LONG RUN.



625. Post 6696296 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

Quote from: EuroTrash on May 12, 2014, 10:37:28 PM




626. Post 6703482 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

Quote from: windjc on May 13, 2014, 01:55:43 AM
But I think his mental health, real estate and photo ops are off limits, unless its in good nature.

Why? Moralfag much?



627. Post 6732345 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.44h):

Quote from: niothor on May 14, 2014, 09:35:07 PM
jump right now in the South Sea

hey, at least you got that right!



628. Post 6767059 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.45h):

Quote from: Blue on May 16, 2014, 03:54:30 PM



gox revived
uh, no



629. Post 6767345 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.45h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on May 16, 2014, 05:44:08 PM
Bitcoin has a small risk of going to zero, perhaps 3% annualized. That is about the same as fiat cash, or stocks, so we are talking about a net zero risk.
GENIUS Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Wait that means statistically fiat has a 50% chance to go to zero every 23 years.



630. Post 6783966 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 17, 2014, 02:53:12 PM

Yeah, about as cool as buying a Lamborghini with Bitcoin.  I bought a PC and i paid for with oil barrel......i just had to sell the barrel for USD first but thats a minor detail.  (The devil is definitely NOT in the details)

ya wtv.



That's why Bitcoiners won't be taken serious.



631. Post 6821751 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.45h):

Quote from: podyx on May 19, 2014, 08:43:00 PM

What's up with the hate on this guy?? he seems to be one of them brighter guys

He is exactly the kind of person you people deserve.



632. Post 6882289 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.46h):

Who would have thought that ripple could spawn such a fascinating Drama.



633. Post 6902746 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.46h):

A plane just hit the second exchange.

haters gonna hate



634. Post 6933158 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on May 25, 2014, 04:35:28 PM
Re the Willy report:  Is this the moment in the animated cartoon when the guy is about to realize that he has stepped off the cliff and has been standing on thin air for a while?   Wink

yes but this is Bitcoin, so it might be that the lie bootstrapped us to a higher price. I'm not sure though. I'm also not sure whether the report is factual (I just read it completely and it seemed coherent).

First they laugh at you then they send in the FEDs.



635. Post 6933723 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on May 25, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
" [ ... ] In other words, it's weird, it's fishy, it's Mt. Gox, but it's not proof of some kind of fraudulent trading in and of itself. It can mean a whole lot of things and I'm happy to see more information come out."
Well, some 650'000 bitcoins that were supposed to be there just weren't there at the end.  A crime surely happened, the only questions are which kind, how, when, by who, etc..

Mark claimed it was a theft, but AFAIK he has not provided any details (the thesis of the "malleability bug" has been disproved), failed to tell the police as soon as he noticed it, and did not tell the clients until after closing the site.   I hope the law will find the right label for his actions.

Which will be needed for probably any exchange operator out there. Wonder where the money on Chinese exchanges comes from right now? I don't.



636. Post 6937261 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: windjc on May 25, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
http://willyreport.wordpress.com/

Quote
It needs to be recognized that, whether intentional or not (though plausible ignorance only goes so far), Mt. Gox has effectively been abusing Bitcoin to operate a Ponzi scheme for at least a year. The November “bubble” well into the $1000′s – and possibly April’s as well – was driven by hundreds of millions of dollars of fake liquidity pumped into the market out of thin air...

That said, despite everyone’s expectations, it seems unlikely that there will be another huge “bubble”, seeing as they were never “real” in the first place.

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Crash to double digits incoming.

Am i the only one who finds the accent on this kinda fishy? The whole blog tries to come out as just collection of objective facts, and here he just draws a conclusion about future of the btc price. Kinda weird.

that price manipulation in the screen shot was when mtgox was going out of business so they wanted to hold the market up, right? this sounds like fear mongering to me...

Huh??? RTFA. The bot has spent $110 MILLION US DOLLARS buying >280,000 BITCOINS in the November bubble ALONE. There is evidence it was involved in every bitcoin bubble to date. If this is confirmed, its chilling. This is big news.

Not sure if serious.

I can't tell if you are joking or being ridiculously obtuse.

This WILLY shit is irrelevant. Millions of dollars of real money led to the bubble. Most of the rise in November was led by China.

None of this speculation matters.


Right, until somebody gets arrested...



637. Post 6937295 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: windjc on May 25, 2014, 09:33:13 PM

Right, until somebody gets arrested...

Thousands of people get arrested everyday. That has no effect on the bitcoin price.

You know who that somebody is, right? I mean you know you want it...



638. Post 6937337 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: windjc on May 25, 2014, 09:35:04 PM

Right, until somebody gets arrested...

Thousands of people get arrested everyday. That has no effect on the bitcoin price.

You know who that somebody is, right?

You?

No, hint he's fat, French or something and is Big In Japan.



639. Post 6937391 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: smoothie's man crush on May 25, 2014, 09:37:41 PM
why would anyone see the willy report as a neg? people pay what it is worth.

Well subconsciously yes.



640. Post 6937423 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: smoothie's man crush on May 25, 2014, 09:41:25 PM
why would anyone see the willy report as a neg? people pay what it is worth.

Well subconsciously yes.

who cares as long as they pay what it is worth.

they
... after the fact.



641. Post 6937489 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.47h):

Quote from: windjc on May 25, 2014, 09:38:31 PM

Right, until somebody gets arrested...

Thousands of people get arrested everyday. That has no effect on the bitcoin price.

You know who that somebody is, right?

You?

No, hint he's fat, French or something and is Big In Japan.

Who cares if Karpalapogus gets arrested?  Its not going to effect the price of bitcoin. Although there might be more champagne purchased with bitcoin that day in celebration.

That depends on the circumstances. It's not like this can't being happening on other exchanges, is it?



642. Post 7072965 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.49h):

buy high sell low.



643. Post 7096094 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.49h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on June 02, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
Amusingly, Goat actually started another forum site to get away from this trash.  The signal/noise ratio there is vastly better.  But it's not an external face of bitcoin, so I see value in posting here, where google is likely to take novices.
What forum is this?

The secret cabal of VIBs (Very Important Bitcoiners) where I am banned without signing up btw.
(Thanks Risto Grin)



644. Post 7680554 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.57h):

Quote from: kireinaha on July 04, 2014, 10:05:37 PM
We don't need major news; we've already had crazy good news for weeks. there is just too much sell pressure. Someone, or some organization -- for whatever reason -- has been doing all they can to keep the market value artificially low. Once their cache is depleted, we will go up again faster than most can imagine. That could take weeks or months though.

What about miners paying power bills?



645. Post 7680935 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.57h):

Quote from: dropt on July 04, 2014, 10:39:59 PM
What about miners paying power bills?

If someone could be so kind as to find out what KnC and Bitfury/MBP/CEX/GHASH.IO are doing with their mined coins, I'd love to know.  And by find I out, I mean actually find out, not this OTC sales wishy washy bullshit I keep hearing.

No can do.
All that you can do is take the current hashrate and guess the power efficacy and costs per kw/h to arrive at some number. It's not much but you can come by with some ballpark figure.



646. Post 7705831 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.57h):

Quote from: magicmexican on July 06, 2014, 06:40:08 PM
So.... what's the next bad news going to be about?

Some exchange being hacked/closed? China ban part VIII? FBI dumping 100k coins? Gox finally launching midas?

I'm still wondering how on earth Chinese exchanges get their yuans now.
Supposedly all routes are closed, so either that isn't the case or they are playing a shell game ala willy bot.... which would be awesome just think of the panic that would cause once they blow up. And the best part is: Free pumping until that happens.



647. Post 7752077 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.58h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 09, 2014, 01:04:58 PM
The ISIS association was big news apparently.

The ISIS thing is a big thing in the MSM, there is something about it even in the smallest newspapers today.



648. Post 7924729 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.59h):

Quote from: aminorex on July 19, 2014, 03:33:14 PM
It is often much easier to predict what is going to happen that to predict when it will happen. 
true.
Coinbase will collapse.




649. Post 7930782 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.59h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on July 20, 2014, 12:20:30 AM
I find this accounting principle kind of funny even though it caused me much frustration. I'm sure this principle will continue to cause headaches and strange workarounds as long as we have anal accountants.  Smiley
Well, if you ever have to do some accounting yourself, over ledgers spanning several years of transactions, you would appreciate this principle.

If the totals from two ledgers (say, bank statements and invoices) don't match as they should, even by a few cents, you must check everything all over again because it may be due to some arbitrarily large error on your part (like using the wrong invoice with a similar price), or by someone who was trying to doctor the books. You can waste a lot of time that way.

Or, suppose that you get the monthly report of you bank account for June, and the starting balance is 1.27$ less than the final balance in the May report.

Few joys in life compare to that of having the financial report of one's research project approved by the funding agency's accountants.   Not even that of having the project's funding approved in the first place.  Cheesy


Ironically yet basically all Bitcoiners in the US doing somthing with their haul should have to make similar efforts in their tax reports. I'll bet none of them are.
Yet again, this weeks coinbase/dell purchases will basically all be affected.



650. Post 7956282 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.59h):

Quote from: empowering on July 21, 2014, 06:03:50 PM
After the GOX collapse, anyone with fiat or Bitcoins on any exchange has balls of steel. Gox did a lot of harm, and it will take time to recover.

This is why we are seeing so little volume in general, no selling and no buying, sorry but no more bubbles until 2015...

True, but what could possibly happen in 2015 to change this? Are you implying we'll have a trusteable exchange? What constitutes a trusteable exchange? Of course anything is more trusteable than some manchild that used to play Magic the Gathering, but im just saying, what would the ideal scenareo be on there?

If the Bit Licences actually turn out to work we might see exchanges in a 'trusted' New York surrounding for example. Maybe even in the vicinity of Starbucks stores!

They do large, dessert-like coffees?
Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 20, 2011, 02:25:32 AM

... except I expect your table leaves less censored and more hanging out.

It's not "hanging," but yes.
Why such interest in my coffee table btw?

Due to the popularity of Rassah's coffee table, I opted to start it's own thread for all to discuss their obsessions with her table.

OK, GO!



651. Post 8764028 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.12h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 10, 2014, 04:48:28 PM

Is this supposed to be a picture of all of us on the forum Adam?

I am the blond in front I guess.  Cheesy

they have no idea what they are up against.

The Bitcombie Apocalypse?



652. Post 8992520 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.16h):

Quote from: mmitech on September 27, 2014, 01:34:22 PM

shit, once these sites started to appear you know what will happen to adoption, imagine your self as a person who've heard something about Bitcoin, your are curious, you want to learn more about it, you go to your search engine and type in Bitcoin, the result will be sites like this...

It's already much much worse...
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/

hell everything on that site is so whack that unsuspecting newbies will stay away as far as possible.



653. Post 9012974 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.17h):

Quote from: mmitech on September 29, 2014, 07:19:56 AM
How should a currency rise into existence? How should a technology be adopted. It's not a post-IPO company we're dealing with here. It's the rise of a start-up currency / technology / store of value. All idicators besides price this past year have been growing strong. Price can't lag adoption forever.

Oh..and while we're looking at charts. Let's take a look at the measuring stick the world uses to price everything.

Bubble? or a broken global financial system?



your post is called despair.

Also this:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/08/03/the_monetary_base_is_irrelevant.html



654. Post 9013075 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.17h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on September 29, 2014, 07:31:26 AM
Right...so if we increase miners rewards by 5x but tell them they can only spend x coins...that change is irrelevant?

If anything is NOT irrelevant it's the monetary base.

It's like that if those extra coins are sent to an address of which the private key are split between them and satoshi nakamoto. Or not even that, it's more like proof of stake coins where the reward is bumped up by X amount without an actual stake.



655. Post 9082167 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.19h):




656. Post 9085197 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.19h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on October 05, 2014, 12:46:35 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ibjfi/what_is_the_point_of_atms_if_theyre_going_to_shut/

Quote
I'm in Toronto, I've had this problem several times. First time the price dropped below $400 CAD i went to buy Bitcoin at the Robocoin machine on Bloor street and it didn't work, once the price went up to $480-500 the machine was functioning again. Then I went yesterday when the price was still around $400 CAD and the machine stopped working again.
...

lol.

The Invisible Hand Of The Free Market!



657. Post 9090360 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.19h):

Quote from: Richard Branson on October 05, 2014, 01:02:32 PM
Has anyone ever used 247exchange.com. Are they legit? Buying BTC immediately with credit cards and sofortbanking would really be a pleasure for me if i am in a hurry and have no FIAT on exchange.
How long does it take after the payment until i can withdraw the BTC (so that i can buy DOGE before the runup to 1000 Cheesy)?.


btw:

 The company’s statutory capital is $75,000, which guarantees the safety of the clients’ interests when they conduct financial transactions.


75'000$ is peanuts. I would never sell there. That's less than 25 BTCs..... what a joke. Poor mans exchange.

You're missing a digit.



658. Post 9090817 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.19h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on October 05, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
now it is a very good price to buy price!!!

I AM ALL IN

I've been told exactly that pretty much daily for the last 10 months.

Also please don't get upset if a trader will dump right in your face after you bought your cheap coins. That's their nature.

can't blame them for snacking every profit possible in this situation

I can blame them for Bitcoin going to shit.

God damn you're stupid.



659. Post 9094170 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.20h):

Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on October 05, 2014, 06:51:45 PM
People act is if it's going to kill them if they have to hold an investment for two years. I let Vanguard convince me to hold on to GNMA securities for five years and only made 2.54%.
This. No-one ever lost money holding BTC for a year.

Until the first sucker for which it's not true anymore.



660. Post 9105913 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.21h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on October 06, 2014, 04:38:02 PM
Reminder:

The first time we had volume this high on the daily was when SR went bust.

:^)

That's bullshit.
Both the 1200 peak and the following lows were higher.



661. Post 9113371 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.21h):

Quote from: superresistant on October 07, 2014, 07:49:48 AM
Good morning, So Bitcoin price is 4 times less than the ATH and people are cheering up  for $20 and calling the next bubble and reversal !!!!?  what a delusion, you have been doing this since $800
And oh, just look at the larger holders and early adopters shitting their pants @ twitter and in this forum, it is a hell of fun watching fear tearing the shit out of them.
Shitting? Fear? No, this has all happened before and will probably happen again..
Irritation, annoyance, yep... I wanted to buy a lambo before I turned 24 damn it.
Why do nerds/geeks have such an obsession with "lambos": is it some sort of compensatory reflex?

It is a way for some people of showing their wealth which greatly increase their chance of success with greedy .
*If you consider that most are greedy then it increase your chance with .

It is also a way of showing your social status and get respect from your peers (if they like Lambo too otherwise they'll think you're just an insecure small dick).




662. Post 9164220 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.22h):

Quote from: Feri22 on October 11, 2014, 12:50:40 PM
For all the stupid bears, dumpers, trolls, fudsters and market manipulators:

http://www.coindesk.com/seans-outpost-charity-finances-hit-drop-bitcoin-price/


This one is on you...
http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/



663. Post 9164494 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.22h):

Quote from: fonzie on October 11, 2014, 03:17:23 PM

Dear tacoX Customers,

In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.

Best regards,

tacoX Team

 Angry  Thanks for luring me into this trap  Angry

The worst is yet to come  Embarrassed



664. Post 9165280 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.22h):

Quote from: studio1one on October 11, 2014, 03:36:26 PM

Dear tacoX Customers,

In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.

Best regards,

tacoX Team

 Angry  Thanks for luring me into this trap  Angry

The worst is yet to come  Embarrassed


yeah charts are looking v bad right now.
As you come to this realisation you lean your forehead against one warm soft wall and laugh until tears flow down your face. You've won. You've won. You've won.



665. Post 9168287 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.22h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 11, 2014, 10:00:26 PM
Epic belly flop. But how much worse can it get at this poing

It can stay there. Which is most likely will since Jed "Armageddon" McCaleb is dumping his haul.



666. Post 9168319 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.22h):

Quote from: mah87 on October 11, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Price is not important. Just look at the volume.
riiiiiight



667. Post 9168336 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.22h):

Quote from: Raystonn on October 11, 2014, 10:08:27 PM
Post that ripple chart as a log chart please.

lol



668. Post 9168350 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.22h):

Quote from: mah87 on October 11, 2014, 10:09:31 PM
Epic belly flop. But how much worse can it get at this poing

It can stay there. Which is most likely will since Jed "Armageddon" McCaleb is dumping his haul.

he can't dump anythign before 3years..

What you all don't understand is that ripple will sign probably several DOZEN of banks this year. This almost can't be stopped now.

I understand that it's possible they get a bunch of banks aboard, but that's more like a slim chance, a gamble. How many they got now two, three tiny ones?



669. Post 9244544 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.24h):

Quote from: touhonoob on October 18, 2014, 11:35:57 AM
Bitcoin ETF Coming NOV 14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhqeMkbo6k#t=1419

Speculative statement "I think in November" becomes a concrete date.



670. Post 9350620 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.27h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on October 27, 2014, 09:51:56 PM
http://www.coinsetter.com/bitcoin-news/2014/10/27/fincen-issues-administrative-ruling-bitcoin-exchanges-1724

Anything on requiring auditing yet? We're in-between exchange fuckups at the moment so it would be best to have that in place before the next one happens.



671. Post 9423067 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: ImI on November 03, 2014, 01:28:02 PM
I miss rpietila.

he was funny too.

what happend to him? no more coins?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285771.msg8655491#msg8655491



672. Post 9432696 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

Quote from: jeezy on November 04, 2014, 08:19:31 AM


I have no words.

Awesome. Pure gold right here boyz.

Top right -> actual Buttcoin



673. Post 9438820 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on November 04, 2014, 08:48:24 PM
I agree about that; however, there are various practices, such as fractional reserve banking, that exist in various financial circles that have become acceptable means upon which to transact - and sometimes there can exist some murkiness regarding whether any laws are being violated, especially in an industry (BTC space) that remains largely unregulated.

First they laugh at you, then they send in the FEDs, then you are in jail.



674. Post 9467366 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

I got good feeling about this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McbCwSW2moo#t=0m19s



675. Post 9488051 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.30h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 09, 2014, 02:29:56 PM
^
Hello!



Haha.

I don't know what to expect, I'm in for the long haul.
Hoarding to either prosper massively or go down with my ship.

I bet you'll crack even before 2/3 unrealized losses.



676. Post 9488111 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.30h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 09, 2014, 02:37:57 PM
^
Hello!



Haha.

I don't know what to expect, I'm in for the long haul.
Hoarding to either prosper massively or go down with my ship.

I bet you'll crack even before 2/3 unrealized losses.

I've invested around £6000 (GBP).
I'm at a loss of at least £1500 as it is.

I have no interest in trading or cutting my losses.
In it for the long haul, I can afford to lose that money.

I'm not a stock broker or experienced trader, I'm just trying to make some money.
I'm willing to wait 20-25 years or lose it all together.

Better to dream & fail than to never try & have regrets.

People who do that don't post in this thread or in that fashion. You"ll sell before you have GBP 2000 left.



677. Post 9507192 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.30h):

Quote from: spooderman on November 11, 2014, 11:29:40 AM
This damn forum is so embarrassing



678. Post 9606072 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.33h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 20, 2014, 02:23:57 PM


has anybody said buttcoin yet?



679. Post 9856155 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on December 16, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
Just gonna leave this here:




wake me up once it's worth a nickel.



680. Post 9856350 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: ChuckBuck on December 16, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
Gentlemen. 
Miss Cassandra_PR has made a substantial investment in the quality artworks of The NotLambchop.
Do welcome her to your fine amateur investment club.

 

How many alts do you have!   Shocked

Alot of precious time and effort wasted away in this forum posting stupid gifs.  Do you have a day job, or do you just troll the forums in your jammies non stop while your mama makes you PB&J's?

He just gets his shilling checks from the People's Bank of China, not the Deutsche Bank like me.



681. Post 9860718 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 16, 2014, 09:54:25 PM
bankster-backed ripple, centralised fiat scams

boohooo

e: NICE!



682. Post 9908159 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: shmadz on December 21, 2014, 06:06:00 PM

Did you catch this one a few years back?
http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/156072/bitcoin.pdf
This isn't a new effort.

Thank you for the link, it certainly looks interesting.

Good to see that some academics are actually doing work rather than just trolling internet forums.

Be careful they eat people alive here for debating this.



683. Post 9918465 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: Specular on December 22, 2014, 07:25:17 PM
I am interested to see whether the "Bitcoin Bowl" will have any impact this Friday.

http://stpetersburgbowl.com/

Quote
postseason
lol

Quote
college football game
rofl



684. Post 9928559 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: riiiiising on December 23, 2014, 08:21:28 PM
hobbyists

lol, right



685. Post 9944257 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: HerrAndreas on December 23, 2014, 10:17:41 PM
nice chart,
but it does have a tendency to lead people to percive the base currency of USD as something of constant value.
If your base cirrency were rubel for instance that chart would look totally different.



The big difference is you can actually buy about the same amount of of stuff with the same amount of RUB, in Russia. That is because there is a real economy behind it and in order for Cryptocurrencies to be even comparable they have to have that economy too.



686. Post 9945698 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: BitThink on December 26, 2014, 01:28:51 AM
I remember dec 25th to dec 26th last year, we went +70usd and pumped into 1000s shortly after. Will the history repeat itself this year ?

Nope, learn about history; Mark Karpeles pumped every 10x pump of bitcoin Smiley He is gone now and you have all year seen the effect of it. Enjoy your cheap coins and dreams of becoming a millionaire by sitting on your ass. I will tell you a bit about the future price of bitcoin, if it stays over $100 it will be a miracle (in 2015). Mark Karpeles is gone and also most of the deepweb sites which was the only true incentive to purchase bitcoin.. so do the math (hint: no demand at all, except traders (btw, the whales you guys talk about is pretty much the exchange operators)).


No demand at all, then how about the 80K auction coins?No coins were really sold?

That's 80k worth of demand that has not been hitting the market.



687. Post 9951363 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 26, 2014, 06:57:46 PM
As a difficult, but early year in the emergence of bitcoin comes to a close - it continues to prosper into a more and more powerful network. The units themselves being described as worthless at only $320 by people apparently unaware of what $320 can buy.

If a blockchain can become healthy it will represent a huge amount of power - belonging to a necessarily huge number of people whose interests are simple yet predictably consistent.

Absolute domination becomes inevitable for the world's first and most sought after real change to the old, creaking, bloated, largely inaccessible, reckless and ultimately unnecessary banking paradigm. Not because it replaces it, but because it isn't constrained by limiting factors that have been overcome thanks to the internet and the solving of the Byzantine General's problem.

The anti-fragility of simplicity cannot be questioned.

Not a cult, not a cult, not a cult!



688. Post 9951607 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: molecular on December 26, 2014, 07:47:15 PM
With every new day my hope for 300 or sub 300 coins dies little by little Sad

And thus, like a massive oil tanker the market slowly changes direction Smiley

Nice analogy.

And some hit an iceberg and leave a huge mess.



689. Post 9968190 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Lol ripple is making Bitcoin nutters mad. This is good for Crypto.



690. Post 9976789 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: Silverspoon on December 29, 2014, 06:30:36 PM
What I find curious is how those who joined the forum in June (and likely lost half of their investment since then) like to quote pretty numbers from 2 years ago.

Is it too much for you to grasp the idea that he may have been involved in Bitcoin and even bought bitcoins years before joining this forum?

Then again, beartard trolls aren't the sharpest spoons in the knife drawer.

Sigh.

No no no, that's not the problem I'm having.  Mr. dakota neat has claimed to have made +2297.74% in two years, and I do understand that people on the internet don't lie.
Wishing to learn how to achieve such stellar results (who wouldn't amirite?), I asked my new friend to teach me.  He's fallen rather silent, which is not the usual friendly sharing and exchange of ideas I've come to expect from bitcointalk.

maybe he dont buy bitcoin from bitcointalk...

No no no, allow me to break this down for you in a hypothetical.
Imagine yourself buying a wooden nickel for a dollar.
Your friends, the other investors, also started buying up wooden nickels, in two year's time driving the price to $10 ea.
Having bought your wooden nickels at $1, you proceed to calculate your profit as 1000%.
Easy.
But wait! 
Being a wooden nickel believer, you didn't stop buying as soon as the price broke $1.  No.  You continued buying all the way up to $10, because you are what's called a "permabull."

At this point, you must be beginning to guess what comes next.  Your profit is not 1000% but significantly less.
Made significantly less still by the fact that now, the wooden nickel prices have been steadily falling for over a year, and the $10 nickels are now only worth $3.12 Sad

It's more like you are into special wooden nickels made of a specific tree, cut down and uniquely identifiable by it's dna. It's the first kind of wooden nickels that are uniquely identifiable in that way. The problem is there are other people who have done that with other trees, and their wooden nickels have the same properties besides being from a different tree.



691. Post 10044632 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: brg444 on January 05, 2015, 11:27:13 AM
And Bitstamp has a booth at CES  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Wow, that made me exited for CES, who would have thought.
I can't wait for the Drama.



692. Post 10044859 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: edwardspitz on January 05, 2015, 11:58:15 AM
Need to say... I'm impresed there was no panic on other exchanges (yet)  Smiley

Yes I agree. I am also pleased about the way Stamp is handling the situation.

I'm also pleased how they are "handling" the "situation" but probably for not the same reason you are.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



693. Post 10079499 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: inca on January 08, 2015, 11:20:09 AM
Huobi and OKcoin wish you good morning, ladies! Cheesy

Fake volume. Fake exchanges Smiley

What's better, a fake exchange or an insolvent exchange?



694. Post 10079524 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: inca on January 08, 2015, 11:25:02 AM
Huobi and OKcoin wish you good morning, ladies! Cheesy

Fake volume. Fake exchanges Smiley

What's better, a fake exchange or an insolvent exchange?

When did you stop beating your wife?

I'm not the one who started using an assumption as a fact.



695. Post 10079716 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: superresistant on January 08, 2015, 11:42:31 AM
Huobi and OKcoin wish you good morning, ladies! Cheesy
Fake volume. Fake exchanges Smiley
What's better, a fake exchange or an insolvent exchange?

You're asking what's better ??
A fake exchange means fake volume, fake FIAT, fake Bitcoin.
It's a damn scam.


Ok, since nobody here admits they get it,

Is it more likely that the trading happening on OKcoin is fake or that Bitstamp is insolvent?
The dumb thing is, we can't know and it could be both, and it could even turn out that Bitstamp is the fake and Okcoin the insolvent one.



696. Post 10150189 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: Richard Branson on January 14, 2015, 10:49:20 AM
what the fuck has happend?

Best thing this year.
Lots of bulltards lost a lot of money.
Always funny to see people get fucked up meddling in things they have no clue.
Hopefully some jump off a bridge. Natural selection.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150113/astoria/man-killed-by-roommate-astoria-apartment-nypd-says

Survival of the ruthless.



697. Post 10169576 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 15, 2015, 11:37:13 PM
I agree not very good theory, do you have one?

Keeping the proceeds from silk road and stashing them, thus shortening the supply.
It's scams, all the way down.



698. Post 10179345 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.50h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on January 16, 2015, 02:09:55 PM
Because mod asked for more pics.



the first one i found funny, there is hope yet.



699. Post 10193371 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.50h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on January 18, 2015, 06:19:08 AM
"The card industry wants to perpetuate the myth that using a credit card is free, or priceless. But the cost is baked into the price of all the goods and services we buy."

Thats why alot of places have given up on all that BS and raised the cash prices to same level as credit card price to create the illusion that credit price is same as cash.

By alot you mean pretty much everywhere. The thing is consumers don't care about fees if they come out of the merchants profit margin, which they are if prices are the same for other payment methods.



700. Post 10200922 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: razorramon on January 18, 2015, 11:36:10 PM
this week looks super exciting

i guess changetip on facebook will go viral

this could be the start of the mass adoption phase

Don't you people have any kind of self-awareness?



701. Post 10202104 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on January 19, 2015, 03:13:26 AM
Latest news from our YouTube friend  Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdIIg-jfAss
This is the face of the bear cultists. And he's been at it since 2011.

The thing with the face of Bitcoin Cultists is they become villains after some time.

like this guy: http://youtu.be/zeJSRboDb2A

They then become the face of the Comedy Cultists, this happens consistently
... and they never go back.  Cheesy



702. Post 10202323 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: outahere on January 19, 2015, 05:34:06 AM
Latest news from our YouTube friend  Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdIIg-jfAss
This is the face of the bear cultists. And he's been at it since 2011.

The thing with the face of Bitcoin Cultists is they become villains after some time.

like this guy: http://youtu.be/zeJSRboDb2A

They then become the face of the Comedy Cultists, this happens consistently
... and they never go back.  Cheesy
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

That just sounds far less funny than it actually is.



703. Post 10222100 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on January 20, 2015, 10:54:50 PM
I knew that these low prices were artifical. Wall Street is around the corner. Time to get leveraged all-in again asap.

Yes. Wallstreet is about to get in. 2 weeks.

lol



704. Post 10285737 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: shmadz on January 28, 2015, 06:31:42 AM
Scams involving bitcoin just talk to it's excellent ability as a means of storing and transferring value.

Just like science making nuclear bombs doesn't make science "evil" it makes it effective.

You know what's cool? Speaking of the scientific method, I heard a podcast featuring that guy who's always ragging on bitcoin, Tim Swanson, very intelligent guy, great arguments. But I think that sometimes people get so caught up in something that they can't get a proper perspective.

I'm the same way, as are most bitcoin enthusiasts.

It's important to listen to the negative arguments. Bitcoin is not perfect, it might still fail and fall on its face. It would be an abnormality of innovation of it didn't, actually.

I think we have to take a measured approach and stop trying to "sell" bitcoin to the masses. It's not only counter-productive, it's irresponsible.

Don't be mad, I'm sure your next shilling check will be better, who are you with? JPM?



705. Post 10360905 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: ensjovis on February 04, 2015, 10:48:52 PM
http://news.google.com/news/more?ncl=d0PSU5pV2_ZAsdMrLzEJl5U7zHZfM&authuser=0&ned=us&topic=n

Over 300 articles about Silk Road, within an hour. Here comes the next rally.

Yeah I'm sure many prospective buyers can't wait for the chance to increase the value of DPRs coins which now officially belong to the FEDs.



706. Post 10360956 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: inca on February 04, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
Yeah I'm sure many prospective buyers can't wait for the chance to increase the value of DPRs coins which now officially belong to the FEDs.

What exactly are you going on about?

https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH
...

Well the rest of his Bitcoins are bound to be somewhere.



707. Post 10361040 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: inca on February 04, 2015, 11:53:47 PM
Yeah I'm sure many prospective buyers can't wait for the chance to increase the value of DPRs coins which now officially belong to the FEDs.

What exactly are you going on about?

Well the rest of his Bitcoins are bound to be somewhere.


I would buy some shares in microsoft but I won't because it will push up the value of Paul Allen's holdings..

Not really much of an argument.

What the DPR articles do is bring bitcoin into the MSM again for average joe.

Well your problem is your sales pitch is made by tailored to Libertarian types and there are only so many of the caliber of Tim Draper.

And no you wouldn't buy shares of Microsoft.



708. Post 10370034 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: NotHatinJustTrollin on February 05, 2015, 09:09:03 PM
Bitcoiners, this could be you in a few years:



https://twitter.com/imgur/status/563232496846766080



"A divorcing couple divides their Beanie Baby investment under the supervision of a judge"

Where is bitchick?



709. Post 10381178 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

bitfinex shorters going full in.



710. Post 10388495 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on February 06, 2015, 04:11:31 PM
...
This is just the beginning of the great rally of 2015.

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon and do other things"--Satoshi Nakamoto



Can you imagine if the airline industry was trying to start out on the principles of this contraption? Yeah, that's what is happening with Bitcoin and the Captains of Industry here.



711. Post 10389278 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: 600watt on February 07, 2015, 07:50:06 PM
...
This is just the beginning of the great rally of 2015.

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon and do other things"--Satoshi Nakamoto



Can you imagine if the airline industry was trying to start out on the principles of this contraption? Yeah, that's what is happening with Bitcoin and the Captains of Industry here.

Can you imagine a smart guy being around in this forum since 2011 knowing all along that bitcoin is a fail ? 7000 posts later he is still telling the same old story.  Smiley
You are misinterpreting my post.
Bitcoin is incredibly successful, like the wright brothers plane. But for the purposes of an airline industry they would be as useless as this experiment right here.

The fail lies with the cultists trying to push a prototype into production.



712. Post 10389304 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Bitcoins are not a natural resource, they are a built in example for the proof of concept software that is called Bitcoin.



713. Post 10389395 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Sitarow on February 07, 2015, 08:41:08 PM
Bitcoins are not a natural resource, they are a built in example for the proof of concept software that is called Bitcoin.

Smiley Numbers are not natural that is for sure Smiley

Not numbers, information. You missed the point btw.



714. Post 10389988 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 07, 2015, 08:55:38 PM
Bitcoins are not a natural resource, they are a built in example for the proof of concept software that is called Bitcoin.

Let me guess, you want to tell us about some wonderful altcoin that nobody gives a shit about because you think it fixes some technical shortcomings in Bitcoin but you don't have the economic insight to see how far ahead Bitcoin is on every count that matters simply because it has stood the test of time and gone through the roller coaster any digital currency needs to go through to establish itself as a real alternative to fiat?

No, altcoins are worse, they are like building the same wright brothers prototype with another size propeller, painting it in a different color and calling that innovation.



715. Post 10395719 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on February 08, 2015, 02:05:31 PM
I don't know whether BitPay is profiting. 
could they ran a trading desk and make profits off that?

I seem to recall Tony Gallippi denying that in an interview, I am not sure.

In that wallet snooping site we can see them collecting hundreds of small BTC deposits (many less than 1 BTC) and occasional 500-1000 BTC deposits (some identified as coming from KnC and other miners); and sending lumps of 500-1000 BTC, every day or so, to Bitstamp and other wallets.  I suppose that they are not dumb enough to leave large sums on exchanges, so they must be selling at the same pace, at whatever price.

It is a pity that most bitcoin companies are privately financed, so they don't have to publish quarterly audits or other official financial statements.  Bitstamp published a one-page report covering the year up to Oct/2013, containing the absolute minimum info required by UK laws (Shouldn't they be publishing the 2014 one now?).  Last year, an australian bitcoin exchhange and mining operation published somewhat more complete financial reports.  The current state of MtGOX spoils was published by the bankruptcy trustee.  Have there been any others?

He's simply lying. They are the biggest red flag currently in the realm of Bitcoin "Enterprises", and it's even more obvious than mtgox was at the time.



716. Post 10397066 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: manfred on February 08, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
The PBOC was real patient with Bitcoiners in the last months. But after this last event where honest chinese got scammed for millions by mycoin.hk i guess they won´t have any other chance than totally banning Bitcoin . I will send them an e-mail with my conerns about an eventually upcoming riot in the street by chinese people who got bitscammed, just to make sure that they are prepared. This madness has to stop.
If you have knowledge about other events where chinamen got scammed by Bitcoin feel free to write them: webbox@pbc.gov.cn
yeh the 30 victims of the imaginary scam gona riot Roll Eyes

lol that's a new level of denial right here.



717. Post 10398368 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

If this was an exchange like site they probably added the total amount of fiat in all currencies and the total amount of coins together to arrive at this figure.
Anyway yeah mtgox was probably bigger.



718. Post 10398469 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: lyth0s on February 08, 2015, 08:35:12 PM
If this was an exchange like site they probably added the total amount of fiat in all currencies and the total amount of coins together to arrive at this figure.
Anyway yeah mtgox was probably bigger.

Yeah, but as a scam artist you wouldn't directly move fiat from your fake name/information to your real identity through a bank transfer. You would want to buy an asset, then anonymously move the asset to place where you can later claim it. Since this place was already involved in bitcoin it would have been easier to take the fiat and buy some bitcoins, tumble them and then move them to other exchanges to cash out the fiat +/- keep some bitcoins for later.

Lets not forget that if that site as anything like gox an unknown percentage of coins and/or fiat might not have existed in the first place. If you for instance would add the amount of fake fiat "consumed" by Willy and Markus or add Chinese type double volume accounting into the mix you can arrive at nonsensical figures.
Even so I think it's possible that the number is correct in a sense that this could be the amount of money "owed" to the scam victims, albeit much of it does not really exist.



719. Post 10399285 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: fonzie on February 08, 2015, 10:07:32 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=949455.msg10397491#msg10397491

三十亿,三千名用户?你确定?平均下来,每个用户有一百万的资产在平台?我不信。

Translation:

"Three billion , three thousand users ? You sure? On average, each user has one million of assets in the platform ? I do not believe."



Even the chinese are still in denial. There is something that unites bitcoiners worldwide...
Blinded by greed.

It's more like one million of empty promises per sucker, most of the "funds" there probably were imaginary.



720. Post 10399522 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on February 08, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
It's more like one million of empty promises per sucker, most of the "funds" there probably were imaginary.

Well, if each contract was 400'000 HKD minimum ( = 52'000 USD = 230 BTC), and there were 3000 clients, then the scammers stole at least 150 million USD of real money from their victims.  At current prices that would be 680 kBTC.

It may be bigger than MtGOX, because we do not know how much MtGOX clients actually lost.  The 660 k BTC / 500 M USD figure is what they thought they had in their accounts, which (as in Madoff's case) may be a lot more than what they actually put in.

Makes sense.



721. Post 10407077 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 09, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
-fart-
...Certain people seem to put an exorbitant amount of effort into discrediting me. Why? I'm a nobody from nowhere. What is it that I am saying that is so dangerous that it requires these ad hominem attacks?...

Don't sweat the petty attacks from the crybaby bears. They get a little testy when things don't go their way.



That said, Jorge Stolfi isn't an economics professor. He got his doctorate in computer science form Stanford. His forte is computers, not economics. Obviously.

Just like satoshi...

wait, perhaps he is satoshi?!?!  Shocked



722. Post 10407915 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 09, 2015, 05:51:43 PM
... His forte is computers, not economics. Obviously.

Just like satoshi...

wait, perhaps he is satoshi?!?!  Shocked

Maybe he's Mark Karpeles too and the fat boy is just a front.  DPR?

Cheesy

Ahhh the holy trinity of Bitcoin, it should have been only one really conflicted person, but sadly there are so many more interesting personalities.



723. Post 10409377 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Sitarow on February 09, 2015, 09:14:29 PM
3:54PM EST


this pic explains everything that is wrong with btc-e



724. Post 10414801 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: fonzie on February 10, 2015, 12:19:40 PM
I think it´s time to demand a pay increase from J.P. Morgan for every post. Else i won´t keep this qualitative high frequency postin up.

-fonzie is evil. (c)JPMorgan



725. Post 10439964 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: mybitcoincharts on February 12, 2015, 06:11:37 PM
No ad hominems necessary, just provide a different source that pleases you and proves your point.

What's the fallacy called when you claim the person you arguing with used an ad hominem when they really didn't?



726. Post 10439991 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on February 12, 2015, 06:31:33 PM


Bagholders Inc.



727. Post 10440091 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

/r/buttcoin will overtake /r/bitcoin



728. Post 10440237 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 12, 2015, 06:57:42 PM
/r/buttcoin will overtake /r/bitcoin



there is a typo in "up uP UP"

butt it's all true



729. Post 10440719 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Feri22 on February 12, 2015, 07:43:35 PM
What if I told you that the bubble you should look at is the logarithmic one and not the linear one?  Shocked



I would ignore you completely   Roll Eyes

you aren't



730. Post 10452290 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: greenlion on February 13, 2015, 08:32:29 PM
Contrarian projection: by the end of the year, Ripple will drown in a puddle of AIDS.

how is that contrarian?



731. Post 10454624 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: NotHatinJustTrollin on February 14, 2015, 01:32:56 AM
Still a better love story than bitcoin


http://petapixel.com/2015/02/09/photographer-unveils-btchcoins-digital-currency-backed-prints/




agreed



732. Post 10461774 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

So is the point finally here when made up bullshit is endorsed by all  bitcoin nutters because they are so desperate for a pump?



733. Post 10469792 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on February 15, 2015, 04:28:52 PM
^Say it with anything you want, just don't try for the moral high ground, money changer.



Stay with that style, your second funny one actually.



734. Post 10469938 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: 4ever on February 15, 2015, 05:17:34 PM
Damn, such sad to see that after a succesful pump happening we see a crash because of another exchange going down Sad

Be concerned if there is no crash because there is no exchange left for bitcoins to have a price.



735. Post 10470965 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Walsoraj on February 15, 2015, 06:53:52 PM
Hacked exchange = compelling reason to keep coins off exchange = thinner ask side = bullish! 

Is this correct?  Plz confirm, thx.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

yeah.



736. Post 10492674 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

So that's what chain goxxing looks like.  Cheesy


Why the fuck hasn't the price tanked yet?



737. Post 10492750 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Isn't Adam Canadian and traded there?



738. Post 10505940 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on February 18, 2015, 10:55:35 PM
Stay classy, Bitcoin Cheesy



trolololol



739. Post 10544944 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: fonzie on February 22, 2015, 02:46:54 PM


I wanna drink that!



740. Post 10549386 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 22, 2015, 09:55:03 PM

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the next big squeeze is on the shorts

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I could be wrong though

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lol



741. Post 10551051 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 23, 2015, 01:58:28 AM
If this bear market has been largely caused by Chinese miners that can do nothing with bitcoins except sell them, then it is likely to end when one of two things happen: Either they run out of stockpiled coins to sell over and above coins they are mining, or when the Chinese economy gets so bad that they realize that the killer app is to sneak out of the country with them.

Right now Bitcoins seems to be an answer in search of a problem: Most obviously capital controls in a world where capital is still largely mobile. When this situation changes, it is likely to be sudden and swift although the time frame is difficult to predict with any accuracy.

Mined coins are not that much, 3600 per day and the Chinese probably only have less than 35% share of that so thats only 1200 coins per days assuming they sell all of them every day.  

There is more belief of short traders and options sellers using leverage.

3600 isn't that many when you consider how many individuals those are distributed to. Most only get a tiny sliver of coin from each block and they all have different motivations. There are far, far more than 3600 coins that change hands on a daily basis.

It is if you consider that at current difficulty and a electricity price of USD 0.1 it costs at least USD 133 to mine a Bitcoin. Some might have cheaper electricity but not faster ASICs so daily almost half a million dollars of cash is required to keep prices afloat, whenever that comes from the miners themselves or speculators who buy them doesn't matter. Somebody has to pay it.



742. Post 10551106 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: rolling on February 23, 2015, 02:13:49 AM
If this bear market has been largely caused by Chinese miners that can do nothing with bitcoins except sell them, then it is likely to end when one of two things happen: Either they run out of stockpiled coins to sell over and above coins they are mining, or when the Chinese economy gets so bad that they realize that the killer app is to sneak out of the country with them.

Right now Bitcoins seems to be an answer in search of a problem: Most obviously capital controls in a world where capital is still largely mobile. When this situation changes, it is likely to be sudden and swift although the time frame is difficult to predict with any accuracy.

Miners aren't the ones selling in this market. It's pure speculative manipulation. A miner would never dump coins and cause the price to decline. They would sell the minimum number of coins necessary to cover costs at the best price possible and stock the rest for a much higher price.

Lets put this one to bed, miners are not dumping coins and they are certainly not doing them as a market order.

Best... Post... Recently.

Gotta agree with rolling. Miners are among the most optimistic of the bulls as a group.

It doesn't matter how optimistic miners are. Miners have to service their debt and to meet expenses just like everybody else. If you postpone selling because of a bear market, you can end up NEEDING to sell more rather than less because the price is lower, the loan payments are higher and all your other expenses remain the same.  It doesn't matter one bit if it's market orders or limit orders creating more overhead resistance.

Partially true. Miners may have to start selling at some point if they are no longer able to service debt with other income streams but a market order has a huge difference in this market compared to a limit order. A miner would NEVER dump 5k coins in single market order. It causes too much slippage and the market seems to stabilize at a lower price after a big downward movement. It's not miners causing these major movements.



Or they can declare bankruptcy. Smiley Smiley Smiley



743. Post 10551320 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 23, 2015, 02:54:24 AM

I was GPU mining 2 bitcoins a day on good days in late 2011 with a bitcoin price around 2$ @ 2 gh/s @1200watts of power at a comfortable profit loss. I'm glad I just kept those coins and didn't only look at the short term profits when deciding to continue. What helped was living within my means, a long term vision, and having reserve capital for expenses during lean times.   

And a little bit of luck, you must admit.  Things could have gone the other way just as easily.  Happily, they didn't, but with any venture luck always has something to do with it.  I'm just getting into all this now, so I look at your situation like I'm hoping someone will at mine in 2019.

Maybe but it was mostly having a good macro understanding of what I was dealing with despite it being a trollfest in here with horrible daily news, laughing something awful members trolling and hacking the forum and proclamations everywhere that bitcoin was dying or dead and going to pennies a piece. I was buying when the blood was in the streets.

the laughing never stopped



744. Post 10551644 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 23, 2015, 03:19:41 AM
-snip-
A socialista from 2011 tries to rally the team to trick bitcoiners out of their holdings and laughs endlessly when they are robbed. Nice Roll Eyes

Is there a point to this or are you obsessed so much you really are skimming through my post history? Damn and I thought I had too much time...

I haven't been a goon for all that time, but I tricked Micera Poopscoop into buying me a forums account there with his credit card. (In case you wanna know)



745. Post 10551691 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Your point?

Mine is, Bitcoin and the Drama it generates was funny and it got funnier.



746. Post 10556869 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Misogyny, Libertarianism and Bitcoin the trinity of Neckbeard.



747. Post 10560160 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on February 23, 2015, 10:39:29 PM
Lamby stop peddling pedophile accusations.
Pedophilia is disgusting, you shouldn't be making a joke out of it.

It doesn't belong here.

Trolling Bitcoin is acceptable but child pervert & pedo jokes aren't funny.
 

You obviously haven't heard about Bruce Wagner.



748. Post 10560191 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on February 23, 2015, 10:43:01 PM
Lamby stop peddling pedophile accusations.
Pedophilia is disgusting, you shouldn't be making a joke out of it.

It doesn't belong here.

Trolling Bitcoin is acceptable but child pervert & pedo jokes aren't funny.
 

You obviously haven't heard about Bruce Wagner.
I don't know what you're talking about but I doubt I want to.
too late.  Tongue
He was like the Roger Ver of the old days of Bitcoin, only older and into boys. Wanted to hold the Bitcoin Conference in Thailand.



749. Post 10560237 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on February 23, 2015, 10:45:39 PM
That's pretty fucked up.
Give him the chair Cheesy

Most of the good stuff was on life video conference but the rest is still there:
https://www.youtube.com/user/vlogwrap



750. Post 10595222 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: YourMother on February 27, 2015, 01:06:48 AM
Will i be considered an evil fuck if i sit comfortable in my couch, with a bag of popcorn in my lap and laughing like a hyena at all the hearts that will be broken after the 50000 BTC auction ?

Yes or no

"For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing-you who dread knowledge-I am the man who will now tell you." The chief engineer was the only one able to move; he ran to a television set and struggled frantically with its dials. But the screen remained empty; the speaker had not chosen to be seen. Only his voice filled the airways of the country-of the world, thought the chief engineer-sounding as if he were speaking here, in this room, not to a group, but to one man; it was not the tone of addressing a meeting, but the tone of addressing a mind.

"You have heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis. You have said it yourself, half in fear, half in hope that the words had no meaning. You have cried that man's sins are destroying the world and you have cursed human nature for its unwillingness to practice the virtues you demanded. Since virtue, to you, consists of sacrifice, you have demanded more sacrifices at every successive disaster. In the name of a return to morality, you have sacrificed all those evils which you held as the cause of your plight. You have sacrificed justice to mercy. You have sacrificed independence to unity. You have sacrificed reason to faith. You have sacrificed wealth to need. You have sacrificed self-esteem to self-denial. You have sacrificed happiness to duty.

"You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins, it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection. You have fought for it, you have dreamed of it, and you have wished it, and I-I am the man who has granted you your wish.

"Your ideal had an implacable enemy, which your code of morality was designed to destroy. I have withdrawn that enemy. I have taken it out of your way and out of your reach. I have removed the source of all those evils you were sacrificing one by one. I have ended your battle. I have stopped your motor. I have deprived your world of man's mind.

"Men do not live by the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those who do. The mind is impotent, you say? I have withdrawn those whose mind isn't. There are values higher than the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those for whom there aren't.

"While you were dragging to your sacrificial altars the men of justice, of independence, of reason, of wealth, of self-esteem-I beat you to it, I reached them first. I told them the nature of the game you were playing and the nature of that moral code of yours, which they had been too innocently generous to grasp. I showed them the way to live by another morality-mine. It is mine that they chose to follow.

"All the men who have vanished, the men you hated, yet dreaded to lose, it is I who have taken them away from you. Do not attempt to find us. We do not choose to be found. Do not cry that it is our duty to serve you. We do not recognize such duty. Do not cry that you need us. We do not consider need a claim. Do not cry that you own us. You don't. Do not beg us to return. We are on strike, we, the men of the mind.

"We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one's happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.

"There is a difference between our strike and all those you've practiced for centuries: our strike consists, not of making demands, but of granting them. We are evil, according to your morality. We have chosen not to harm you any longer. We are useless, according to your economics. We have chosen not to exploit you any longer. We are dangerous and to be shackled, according to your politics. We have chosen not to endanger you, nor to wear the shackles any longer. We are only an illusion, according to your philosophy. We have chosen not to blind you any longer and have left you free to face reality-the reality you wanted, the world as you see it now, a world without mind.

"We have granted you everything you demanded of us, we who had always been the givers, but have only now understood it. We have no demands to present to you, no terms to bargain about, no compromise to reach. You have nothing to offer us. We do not need you.

"Are you now crying: No, this was not what you wanted? A mindless world of ruins was not your goal? You did not want us to leave you? You moral cannibals, I know that you've always known what it was that you wanted. But your game is up, because now we know it, too.

"Through centuries of scourges and disasters, brought about by your code of morality, you have cried that your code had been broken, that the scourges were punishment for breaking it, that men were too weak and too selfish to spill all the blood it required. You damned man, you damned existence, you damned this earth, but never dared to question your code. Your victims took the blame and struggled on, with your curses as reward for their martyrdom-while you went on crying that your code was noble, but human nature was not good enough to practice it. And no one rose to ask the question: Good?-by what standard?

"You wanted to know John Galt's identity. I am the man who has asked that question.

"Yes, this is an age of moral crisis. Yes, you are bearing punishment for your evil. But it is not man who is now on trial and it is not human nature that will take the blame. It is your moral code that's through, this time. Your moral code has reached its climax, the blind alley at the end of its course. And if you wish to go on living, what you now need is not to return to morality-you who have never known any-but to discover it.

"You have heard no concepts of morality but the mystical or the social. You have been taught that morality is a code of behavior imposed on you by whim, the whim of a supernatural power or the whim of society, to serve God's purpose or your neighbor's welfare, to please an authority beyond the grave or else next door-but not to serve your life or pleasure. Your pleasure, you have been taught, is to be found in immorality, your interests would best be served by evil, and any moral code must be designed not for you, but against you, not to further your life, but to drain it.

"For centuries, the battle of morality was fought between those who claimed that your life belongs to God and those who claimed that it belongs to your neighbors-between those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of ghosts in heaven and those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of incompetents on earth. And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it.

"Both sides agreed that morality demands the surrender of your self-interest and of your mind, that the moral and the practical are opposites, that morality is not the province of reason, but the province of faith and force. Both sides agreed that no rational morality is possible, that there is no right or wrong in reason-that in reason there's no reason to be moral.

"Whatever else they fought about, it was against man's mind that all your moralists have stood united. It was man's mind that all their schemes and systems were intended to despoil and destroy. Now choose to perish or to learn that the anti-mind is the anti-life.

"Man's mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not. His body is given to him, its sustenance is not. His mind is given to him, its content is not. To remain alive, he must act, and before he can act he must know the nature and purpose of his action. He cannot obtain his food without a knowledge of food and of the way to obtain it. He cannot dig a ditch-or build a cyclotron-without a knowledge of his aim and of the means to achieve it. To remain alive, he must think.

"But to think is an act of choice. The key to what you so recklessly call 'human nature,' the open secret you live with, yet dread to name, is the fact that man is a being of volitional consciousness. Reason does not work automatically; thinking is not a mechanical process; the connections of logic are not made by instinct. The function of your stomach, lungs or heart is automatic; the function of your mind is not. In any hour and issue of your life, you are free to think or to evade that effort. But you are not free to escape from your nature, from the fact that reason is your means of survival-so that for you, who are a human being, the question 'to be or not to be' is the question 'to' think or not to think.'

"A being of volitional consciousness has no automatic course of behavior. He needs a code of values to guide his actions. 'Value' is that which one acts to gain and keep, 'virtue' is the action by which one gains and keeps it. 'Value' presupposes an answer to the question: of value to whom and for what? 'Value' presupposes a standard, a purpose and the necessity of action in the face of an alternative. Where there are no alternatives, no values are possible.

"There is only one fundamental alternative in the universe: existence or non-existence-and it pertains to a single class of entities: to living organisms. The existence of inanimate matter is unconditional, the existence of life is not; it depends on a specific course of action. Matter is indestructible, it changes its forms, but it cannot cease to exist. It is only a living organism that faces a constant alternative: the issue of life or death. Life is a process of self-sustaining and-self-generated action. If an organism fails in that action, it does; its chemical elements remain, but its life goes out of existence. It is only the concept of 'Life' that makes the concept of 'Value' possible. It is only to a living entity that things can be good or evil.

"A plant must feed itself in order to live; the sunlight, the water, the chemicals it needs are the values its nature has set it to pursue; its life is the standard of value directing its actions. But a plant has no choice of action; there are alternatives in the conditions it encounters, but there is no alternative in its function: it acts automatically to further its life, it cannot act for its own destruction.

"An animal is equipped for sustaining its life; its senses provide it with an automatic code of action, an automatic knowledge of what is good for it or evil. It has no power to extend its knowledge or to evade it. In conditions where its knowledge proves inadequate, it dies. But so long as it lives, it acts on its knowledge, with automatic safety and no power of choice, it is unable to ignore its own good, unable to decide to choose the evil and act as its own destroyer.

"Man has no automatic code of survival. His particular distinction from all other living species is the necessity to act in the face of alternatives by means of volitional choice. He has no automatic knowledge of what is good for him or evil, what values his life depends on, what course of action it requires. Are you prattling about an instinct of self-preservation? An instinct of self-preservation is precisely what man does not possess. An 'instinct' is an unerring and automatic form of knowledge. A desire is not an instinct. A desire to live does not give you the knowledge required for living. And even man's desire to live is not automatic: your secret evil today is that that is the desire you do not hold. Your fear of death is not a love of life and will not give you the knowledge needed to keep it. Man must obtain his knowledge and choose his actions by a process of thinking, which nature will not force him t9 perform. Man has the power to act as his own destroyer-and that is the way he has acted through most of his history.

"A living entity that regarded its means of survival as evil, would not survive. A plant that struggled to mangle its roots, a bird that fought to break its wings would not remain for long in the existence they affronted. But the history of man has been a struggle to deny and to destroy his mind.

"Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice-and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal. Man has to be man-by choice; he has to hold his life as a value-by choice: he has to learn to sustain it-by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues-by choice.

"A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.

"Whoever you are, you who are hearing me now, I am speaking to whatever living remnant is left uncorrupted within you, to the remnant of the human, to your mind, and I say: There is a morality of reason, a morality proper to man, and Man's Life is its standard of value.

"All that which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; all that which destroys it is the evil.

"Man's life, as required by his nature, is not the life of a mindless brute, of a looting thug or a mooching mystic, but the life of a thinking being-not life by means of force or fraud, but life by means of achievement-not survival at any price, since there's only one price that pays for man's survival: reason.

"Man's life is the standard of morality, but your own life is its purpose. If existence on earth is your goal, you must choose your actions and values by the standard of that which is proper to man-for the purpose of preserving, fulfilling and enjoying the irreplaceable value which is your life.

"Since life requires a specific course of action, any other course will destroy it. A being who does not hold his own life as the motive and goal of his actions, is acting on the motive and standard of death. Such a being is a metaphysical monstrosity, struggling to oppose, negate and contradict the fact of his own existence, running blindly amuck on a trail of destruction, capable of nothing but pain.

"Happiness is the successful state of life, pain is an agent of death. Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one's values. A morality that dares to tell you to find happiness in the renunciation of your happiness-to value the failure of your values-is an insolent negation of morality. A doctrine that gives you, as an ideal, the role of a sacrificial animal seeking slaughter on the altars of others, is giving you death as your standard. By the grace of reality and the nature of life, man-every man-is an end in himself, he exists for his own sake, and the achievement of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose.

"But neither life nor happiness can be achieved by the pursuit of irrational whims. Just as man is free to attempt to survive in any random manner, but will perish unless he lives as his nature requires, so he is free to seek his happiness in any mindless fraud, but the torture of frustration is all he will find, unless he seeks the happiness proper to man. The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live.

"Sweep aside those parasites of subsidized classrooms, who live on the profits of the mind of others and proclaim that man needs no morality, no values, no code of behavior. They, who pose as scientists and claim that man is only an animal, do not grant him inclusion in the law of existence they have granted to the lowest of insects. They recognize that every living species has a way of survival demanded by its nature, they do not claim that a fish can live out of water or that a dog can live without its sense of smell-but man, they claim, the most complex of beings, man can survive in any way whatever, man has no identity, no nature, and there's no practical reason why he cannot live with his means of survival destroyed, with his mind throttled and placed at the disposal of any orders they might care to issue.

"Sweep aside those hatred-eaten mystics, who pose as friends of humanity and preach that the highest virtue man can practice is to hold his own life as of no value. Do they tell you that the purpose of morality is to curb man's instinct of self-preservation? It is for the purpose of self-preservation that man needs a code of morality. The only man who desires to be moral is the man who desires to live.

"No, you do not have to live; it is your basic act of choice; but if you choose to live,. you must live as a man-by the work and the judgment of your mind.

"No, you do not have to live as a man; it is an act of moral choice. But you cannot live as anything else-and the alternative is that state of living death which you now see within you and around you, the state of a thing unfit for existence, no longer human and less than animal, a thing that knows nothing but pain and drags itself through its span of years in the agony of unthinking self-destruction.

"No, you do not have to think; it is an act of moral choice. But someone had to think to keep you alive; if you choose to default, you default on existence and you pass the deficit to some moral man, expecting him to sacrifice his good for the sake of letting you survive by your evil.

"No, you do not have to be a man; but today those who are, are not there any longer. I have removed your means of survival-your victims.

"If you wish to know how I have done it and what I told them to make them quit, you are hearing it now. I told them, in essence, the statement I am making tonight. They were men who had lived by my code, but had not known how great a virtue it represented. I made them see it. I brought them, not a re-evaluation, but only an identification of their values.

"We, the men of the mind, are now on strike against you in the name of a single axiom, which is the root of our moral code, just as the root of yours is the wish to escape it: the axiom that existence exists.

"Existence exists-and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists.

"If nothing exists, there can be no consciousness: a consciousness with nothing to be conscious of is a contradiction in terms. A consciousness conscious of nothing but itself is a contradiction in terms: before it could identify itself as consciousness, it had to be conscious of something. If that which you claim to perceive does not exist, what you possess is not consciousness.

"Whatever the degree of your knowledge, these two-existence and consciousness-are axioms you cannot escape, these two are the irreducible primaries implied in any action you undertake, in any part of your knowledge and in its sum, from the first ray of light you perceive at the start of your life to the widest erudition you might acquire at its end. Whether you know the shape of a pebble or the structure of a solar system, the axioms remain the same: that it exists and that you know it.

"To exist is to be something, as distinguished from the nothing of non-existence, it is to be an entity of a specific nature made of specific attributes. Centuries ago, the man who was-no matter what his errors-the greatest of your philosophers, has stated the formula defining the concept of existence and the rule of all knowledge: A is A. A thing is itself. You have never grasped the meaning of his statement. I am here to complete it: Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification.

"Whatever you choose to consider, be it an object, an attribute or an action, the law of identity remains the same. A leaf cannot be a stone at the same time, it cannot be all red and all green at the same time, it cannot freeze and burn at the same time. A is A. Or, if you wish it stated in simpler language: You cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

"Are you seeking to know what is wrong with the world? All the disasters that have wrecked your world, came from your leaders' attempt to evade the fact that A is A. All the secret evil you dread to face within you and all the pain you have ever endured, came from your own attempt to evade the fact that A is A. The purpose of those who taught you to evade it, was to make you forget that Man is Man.

"Man cannot survive except by gaining knowledge, and reason is his only means to gain it. Reason is the faculty that perceives, identifies and integrates the material provided by his senses. The task of his senses is to give him the evidence of existence, but the task of identifying it belongs to his reason, his senses tell him only that something is, but what it is must be learned by his mind.

"All thinking is a process of identification and integration. Man perceives a blob of color; by integrating the evidence of his sight and his touch, he learns to identify it as a solid object; he learns to identify the object as a table; he learns that the table is made of wood; he learns that the wood consists of cells, that the cells consist of molecules, that the molecules consist of atoms. All through this process, the work of his mind consists of answers to a single question: What is it? His means to establish the truth of his answers is logic, and logic rests on the axiom that existence exists. Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification. A contradiction cannot exist. An atom is itself, and so is the universe; neither can contradict its own identity; nor can a part contradict the whole. No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the total sum of his knowledge. To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one's thinking; to maintain a contradiction is to abdicate one's mind and to evict oneself from the realm of reality.

"Reality is that which exists; the unreal does not exist; the unreal is merely that negation of existence which is the content of a human consciousness when it attempts to abandon reason. Truth is the recognition of reality; reason, man's only means of knowledge, is his only standard of truth.

"The most depraved sentence you can now utter is to ask: Whose reason? The answer is: Yours. No matter how vast your knowledge or how modest, it is your own mind that has to acquire it. It is only with your own knowledge that you can deal. It is only your own knowledge that you can claim to possess or ask others to consider. Your mind is your only judge of truth-and if others dissent from your verdict, reality is the court of final appeal. Nothing but a man's mind can perform that complex, delicate, crucial process of identification which is thinking. Nothing can direct the process but his own judgment. Nothing can direct his judgment but his moral integrity.

"You who speak of a 'moral instinct' as if it were some separate endowment opposed to reason-man's reason is his moral faculty. A process of reason is a process of constant choice in answer to the question: True or False?-Right or Wrong? Is a seed to be planted in soil in order to grow-right or wrong? Is a man's wound to be disinfected in order to save his life-right or wrong? Does the nature of atmospheric electricity permit it to be converted into kinetic power-right or wrong? It is the answers to such questions that gave you everything you have-and the answers came from a man's mind, a mind of intransigent devotion to that which is right.

"A rational process is a moral process. You may make an error at any step of it, with nothing to protect you but your own severity, or you may try to cheat, to fake the evidence and evade the effort of the quest-but if devotion to truth is the hallmark of morality, then there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.

"That which you call your soul or spirit is your consciousness, and that which you call 'free will' is your mind's freedom to think or not, the only will you have, your only freedom, the choice that controls all the choices you make and determines your life and your character.

"Thinking is man's only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one's consciousness, the refusal to think-not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know. It is the act of unfocusing your mind and inducing an inner fog to escape the responsibility of judgment-on the unstated premise that a thing will not exist if only you refuse to identify it, that A will not be A so long as you do not pronounce the verdict 'It is.' Non-thinking is an act of annihilation, a wish to negate existence, an attempt to wipe out reality. But existence exists; reality is not to be wiped out, it will merely wipe out the wiper. By refusing to say 'It is,' you are refusing to say 'I am.' By suspending your judgment, you are negating your person. When a man declares: 'Who am I to know?'-he is declaring: 'Who am I to live?'

"This, in every hour and every issue, is your basic moral choice: thinking or non-thinking, existence or non-existence, A or non-A, entity or zero.

"To the extent to which a man is rational, life is the premise directing his actions. To the extent to which he is irrational, the premise directing his actions is death.

"You who prattle that morality is social and that man would need no morality on a desert island-it is on a desert island that he would need it most. Let him try to claim, when there are no victims to pay for it, that a rock is a house, that sand is clothing, that food will drop into his mouth without cause or effort, that he will collect a harvest tomorrow by devouring his stock seed today-and reality will wipe him out, as he deserves; reality will show him that life is a value to be bought and that thinking is the only coin noble enough to buy it.

"If I were to speak your kind of language, I would say that man's only moral commandment is: Thou shalt think. But a 'moral commandment' is a contradiction in terms. The moral is the chosen, not the forced; the understood, not the obeyed. The moral is the rational, and reason accepts no commandments.

"My morality, the morality of reason, is contained in a single axiom: existence exists-and in a single choice: to live. The rest proceeds from these. To live, man must hold three things as the supreme and ruling values of his life: Reason-Purpose-Self-esteem. Reason, as his only tool of knowledge-Purpose, as his choice of the happiness which that tool must proceed to achieve-Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living. These three values imply and require all of man's virtues, and all his virtues pertain to the relation of existence and consciousness: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride.

"Rationality is the recognition of the fact that existence exists, that nothing can alter the truth and nothing can take precedence over that act of perceiving it, which is thinking-that the mind is one's only judge of values and one's only guide of action-that reason is an absolute that permits no compromise-that a concession to the irrational invalidates one's consciousness and turns it from the task of perceiving to the task of faking reality-that the alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short-circuit destroying the mind-that the acceptance of a mystical invention is a wish for the annihilation of existence and, properly, annihilates one's consciousness.

"Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it-that no substitute can do your thinking, as no pinch-hitter can live your life-that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another, the acceptance of an authority over your brain, the acceptance of his assertions as facts, his say-so as truth, his edicts as middle-man between your consciousness and your existence.

"Integrity is the recognition of the fact that you cannot fake your consciousness, just as honesty is the recognition of the fact that you cannot fake existence-that man is an indivisible entity, an integrated unit of two attributes: of matter and consciousness, and that he may permit no breach between body and mind, between action and thought, between his life and his convictions-that, like a judge impervious to public opinion, he may not sacrifice his convictions to the wishes of others, be it the whole of mankind shouting pleas or threats against him-that courage and confidence are practical necessities, that courage is the practical form of being true to existence, of being true to one's own consciousness.

"Honesty is the recognition of the fact that the unreal is unreal and can have no value, that neither love nor fame nor cash is a value if obtained by fraud-that an attempt to gain a value by deceiving the mind of others is an act of raising your victims to a position higher than reality, where you become a pawn of their blindness, a slave of their non-thinking and their evasions, while their intelligence, their rationality, their perceptiveness become the enemies you have to dread and flee-that you do not care to live as a dependent, least of all a dependent on the stupidity of others, or as a fool whose source of values is the fools he succeeds in fooling-that honesty is not a social duty, not a sacrifice for the sake of others, but the most profoundly selfish virtue man can practice: his refusal to sacrifice the reality of his own existence to the deluded consciousness of others.

"Justice is the recognition of the fact that you cannot fake the character of men as you cannot fake the character of nature, that you must judge all men as conscientiously as you judge inanimate objects, with the same respect for truth, with the same incorruptible vision, by as pure and as rational a process of identification-that every man must be judged for what he is and treated accordingly, that just as you do not pay a higher price for a rusty chunk of scrap than for a piece of shining metal, so you do not value a totter above a hero-that your moral appraisal is the coin paying men for their virtues or vices, and this payment demands of you as scrupulous an honor as you bring to financial transactions-that to withhold your contempt from men's vices is an act of moral counterfeiting, and to withhold your admiration from their virtues is an act of moral embezzlement-that to place any other concern higher than justice is to devaluate your moral currency and defraud the good in favor of the evil, since only the good can lose by a default of justice and only the evil can profit-and that the bottom of the pit at the end of that road, the act of moral bankruptcy, is to punish men for their virtues and reward them for their vices, that that is the collapse to full depravity, the Black Mass of the worship of death, the dedication of your consciousness to the destruction of existence.

"Productiveness is your acceptance of morality, your recognition of the fact that you choose to live-that productive work is the process by which man's consciousness controls his existence, a constant process of acquiring knowledge and shaping matter to fit one's purpose, of translating an idea into physical form, of remaking the earth in the image of one's values-that all work is creative work if done by a thinking mind, and no work is creative if done by a blank who repeats in uncritical stupor a routine he has learned from others- that your work is yours to choose, and the choice is as wide as your mind, that nothing more is possible to you and nothing less is human-that to cheat your way into a job bigger than your mind can handle is to become a fear-corroded ape on borrowed motions and borrowed time, and to settle down into a job that requires less than your mind's full capacity is to cut your motor and sentence yourself to another kind of motion: decay-that your work is the process of achieving your values, and to lose your ambition for values is to lose your ambition to live-that your body is a machine, but your mind is its driver, and you must drive as far as your mind will take you, with achievement as the goal of your road-that the man who has no purpose is a machine that coasts downhill at the mercy of any boulder to crash in the first chance ditch, that the man who stifles his mind is a stalled machine slowly going to rust, that the man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap, and the man who makes another man his goal is a hitchhiker no driver should ever pick up-that your work is the purpose of your life, and you must speed past any killer who assumes the right to stop you, that any value you might find outside your work, any other loyalty or love, can be only travelers you choose to share your journey and must be travelers going on their own power in the same direction.

"Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own highest value and, like all of man's values, it has to be earned-that of any achievements open to you, the one that makes all others possible is the creation of your own character-that your character, your actions, your desires, your emotions are the products of the premises held by your mind-that as man must produce the physical values he needs to sustain his life, so he must acquire the values of character that make his life worth sustaining-that as man is a being of self-made wealth, so he is a being of self-made soul-that to live requires a sense of self-value, but man, who has no automatic values, has no automatic sense of self-esteem and must earn it by shaping his soul in the image of his moral ideal, in the image of Man, the rational being he is born able to create, but must create by choice-that the first precondition of self-esteem is that radiant selfishness of soul which desires the best in all things, in values of matter and spirit, a soul that seeks above all else to achieve its own moral perfection, valuing nothing higher than itself-and that the proof of an achieved self-esteem is your soul's shudder of contempt and rebellion against the role of a sacrificial animal, against the vile impertinence of any creed that proposes to immolate the irreplaceable value which is your consciousness and the incomparable glory which is your existence to the blind evasions and the stagnant decay of others.

"Are you beginning to see who is John Galt? I am the man who has earned the thing you did not fight for, the thing you have renounced, betrayed, corrupted, yet were unable fully to destroy and are now hiding as your guilty secret, spending your life in apologies to every professional cannibal, lest it be discovered that somewhere within you, you still long to say what I am now saying to the hearing of the whole of mankind: I am proud of my own value and of the fact that I wish to live.

"This wish-which you share, yet submerge as an evil-is the only remnant of the good within you, but it is a wish one must learn to deserve. His own happiness is man's only moral purpose, but only his own virtue can achieve it. Virtue is not an end in itself. Virtue is not its own reward or sacrificial fodder for the reward of evil. Life is the reward of virtue-and happiness is the goal and the reward of life.

"Just as your body has two fundamental sensations, pleasure and pain, as signs of its welfare or injury, as a barometer of its basic alternative, life or death, so your consciousness has two fundamental emotions, joy and suffering, in answer to the same alternative. Your emotions are estimates of that which furthers your life or threatens it, lightning calculators giving you a sum of your profit or loss. You have no choice about your capacity to feel that something is good for you or evil, but what you will consider good or evil, what will give you joy or pain, what you will love or hate, desire or fear, depends on your standard of value. Emotions are inherent in your nature, but their content is dictated by your mind. Your emotional capacity is an empty motor, and your values are the fuel with which your mind fills it. If you choose a mix of contradictions, it will clog your motor, corrode your transmission and wreck you on your first attempt to move with a machine which you, the driver, have corrupted.

"If you hold the irrational as your standard of value and the impossible as your concept of the good, if you long for rewards you have not earned, for a fortune, or a love you don't deserve, for a loophole in the law of causality, for an A that becomes non-A at your whim, if you desire the opposite of existence-you will reach it. Do not cry, when you reach it, that life is frustration and that happiness is impossible to man; check your fuel: it brought you where you wanted to go.

"Happiness is not to be achieved at the command of emotional whims. Happiness is not the satisfaction of whatever irrational wishes you might blindly attempt to indulge. Happiness is a state of non-contradictory joy-a joy without penalty or guilt, a joy that does not clash with any of your values and does not work for your own destruction, not the joy of escaping from your mind, but of using your mind's fullest power, not the joy of faking reality, but of achieving values that are real, not the joy of a drunkard, but of a producer. Happiness is possible only to a rational man, the man who desires nothing but rational goals, seeks nothing but rational values and finds his joy in nothing but rational actions.

"Just as I support my life, neither by robbery nor alms, but by my own effort, so I do not seek to derive my happiness from the injury or the favor of others, but earn it by my own achievement. Just as I do not consider the pleasure of others as the goal of my life, so I do not consider my pleasure as the goal of the lives of others. Just as there are no contradictions in my values and no conflicts among my desires-so there are no victims and no conflicts of interest among rational men, men who do not desire the unearned and do not view one another with a cannibal's lust, men who neither make sacrifice nor accept them.

"The symbol of all relationships among such men, the moral symbol of respect for human beings, is the trader. We, who live by values, not by loot, are traders, both in matter and in spirit. A trader is a man who earns what he gets and does not give or take the undeserved. A trader does not ask to be paid for his failures, nor does he ask to be loved for his flaws. A trader does not squander his body as fodder or his soul as alms. Just as he does not give his work except in trade for material values, so he does not give the values of his spirit-his love, his friendship, his esteem-except in payment and in trade for human virtues, in payment for his own selfish pleasure, which he receives from men he can respect. The mystic parasites who have, throughout the ages, reviled the traders and held them in contempt, while honoring the beggars and the looters, have known the secret motive of their sneers: a trader is the entity they dread-a man of justice.

"Do you ask what moral obligation I owe to my fellow men? None-except the obligation I owe to myself, to material objects and to all of existence: rationality. I deal with men as my nature and their demands: by means of reason. I seek or desire nothing from them except such relations as they care to enter of their own voluntary choice. It is only with their mind that I can deal and only for my own self-interest, when they see that my interest coincides with theirs. When they don't, I enter no relationship; I let dissenters go their way and I do not swerve from mine. I win by means of nothing but logic and I surrender to nothing but logic. I do not surrender my reason or deal with men who surrender theirs. I have nothing to gain from fools or cowards; I have no benefits to seek from human vices: from stupidity, dishonesty or fear. The only value men can offer me is the work of their mind. When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit.

"Whatever may be open to disagreement, there is one act of evil that may not, the act that no man may commit against others and no man may sanction or forgive. So long as men desire to live together, no man may initiate-do you hear me? no man may start-the use of physical force against others.

"To interpose the threat of physical destruction between a man and his perception of reality, is to negate and paralyze his means of survival; to force-him to act against his own judgment, is like forcing him to act against his own sight. Whoever, to whatever purpose or extent, initiates the use of force, is a killer acting on the premise of death in a manner wider than murder: the premise of destroying man's capacity to live.

"Do not open your mouth to tell me that your mind has convinced you of your right to force my mind. Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins. When you declare that men are irrational animals and propose to treat them as such, you define thereby your own character and can no longer claim the sanction of reason-as no advocate of contradictions can claim it. There can be no 'right' to destroy the source of rights, the only means of judging right and wrong: the mind.

"To force a man to drop his own mind and to accept your will as a substitute, with a gun in place of a syllogism, with terror in place of proof, and death as the final argument-is to attempt to exist in defiance of reality. Reality demands of man that he act for his own rational interest; your gun demands of him that he act against it. Reality threatens man with death if he does not act on his rational judgment: you threaten him with death if he does. You place him into a world where the price of his life is the surrender of all the virtues required by life-and death by a process of gradual destruction is all that you and your system will achieve, when death is made to be the ruling power, the winning argument in a society of men.

"Be it a highwayman who confronts a traveler with the ultimatum: 'Your money or your life,' or a politician who confronts a country with the ultimatum: 'Your children's education or your life,' the meaning of that ultimatum is: 'Your mind or your life'-and neither is possible to man without the other.

"If there are degrees of evil, it is hard to say who is the more contemptible: the brute who assumes the right to force the mind of others or the moral degenerate who grants to others the right to force his mind. That is the moral absolute one does not leave open to debate. I do not grant the terms of reason to men who propose to deprive me of reason. I do not enter discussions with neighbors who think they can forbid me to think. I do not place my moral sanction upon a murderer's wish to kill me. When a man attempts to deal with me by force, I answer him-by force.

"It is only as retaliation that force may be used and only against the man who starts its use. No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had the right to choose: his own. He uses force to seize a value; I use it only to destroy destruction. A holdup man seeks to gain wealth by killing me; I do not grow richer by killing a holdup man. I seek no values by means of evil, nor do I surrender my values to evil.

"In the name of all the producers who had kept you alive and received your death ultimatums in payment, I now answer you with a single ultimatum of our own: Our work or your guns. You can choose either; you can't have both. We do not initiate the use of force against others or submit to force at their hands. If you desire ever again to live in an industrial society, it Will be on our moral terms. Our terms and our motive power are the antithesis of yours. You have been using fear as your weapon and have been bringing death to man as his punishment for rejecting your morality. We offer him life as his reward for accepting ours.

"You who are worshippers of the zero-you have never discovered that achieving life is not the equivalent of avoiding death. Joy is not 'the absence of pain,' intelligence is not 'the absence of stupidity,' light is not 'the absence of darkness,' an entity is not 'the absence of a nonentity.' Building is not done by abstaining from demolition; centuries of sitting and waiting in such abstinence will not raise one single girder for you to abstain from demolishing-and now you can no longer say to me, the builder: 'Produce, and feed us in exchange for our not destroying your production.' I am answering in the name of all your victims: Perish with and in your own void. Existence is not a negation of negatives. Evil, not value, is an absence and a negation, evil is impotent and has no power but that which we let it extort from us. Perish, because we have learned that a zero cannot hold a mortgage over life.

"You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.

"You, who have lost the concept of the difference, you who claim that fear and joy are incentives of equal power-and secretly add that fear is the more 'practical'-you do not wish to live, and only fear of death still holds you to the existence you have damned. You dart in panic through the trap of your days, looking for the exit you have closed, running from a pursuer you dare not name to a terror you dare not acknowledge, and the greater your terror the greater your dread of the only act that could save you: thinking. The purpose of your struggle is not to know, not to grasp or name or hear the thing. I shall now state to your hearing: that yours is the Morality of Death.

"Death is the standard of your values, death is your chosen goal, and you have to keep running, since there is no escape from the pursuer who is out to destroy you or from the knowledge that that pursuer is yourself. Stop running, for once-there is no place to run-stand naked, as you dread to stand, but as I see you, and take a look at what you dared to call a moral code.

"Damnation is the start of your morality, destruction is its purpose, means and end. Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.

"It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him-it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man.

"The name of this monstrous absurdity is Original Sin.

"A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man's sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality. To hold man's nature as his sin is a mockery of nature. To punish him for a crime he committed before he was born is a mockery of justice. To hold him guilty in a matter where no innocence exists is a mockery of reason. To destroy morality, nature, justice and reason by means of a single concept is a feat of evil hardly to be matched. Yet that is the root of your code.

"Do not hide behind the cowardly evasion that man is born with free will, but with a 'tendency' to evil. A free will saddled with a tendency is like a game with loaded dice. It forces man to struggle through the effort of playing, to bear responsibility and pay for the game, but the decision is weighted in favor of a tendency that he had no power to escape. If the tendency is of his choice, he cannot possess it at birth; if it is not of his choice, his will is not free.

"What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge-he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil-he became a mortal being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor-he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire-he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness; joy-all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man's fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was-that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love-he was not man.

"Man's fall, according to your teachers, was that he gained the virtues required to live. These virtues, by their standard, are his Sin. His evil, they charge, is that he's man. His guilt, they charge, is that he lives.

"They call it a morality of mercy and a doctrine of love for man. No, they say, they do not preach that man is evil, the evil is only that alien object: his body. No, they say, they do not wish to kill him, they only wish to make him lose his body. They seek to help him, they say, against his pain-and they point at the torture rack to which they've tied him, the rack with two wheels that pull him in opposite directions, the rack of the doctrine that splits his soul and body.

"They have cut man in two, setting one half against the other. They have taught him that his body and his consciousness are two enemies engaged in deadly conflict, two antagonists of opposite natures, contradictory claims, incompatible needs, that to benefit one is to injure the other, that his soul belongs to a supernatural realm, but his body is an evil prison holding it in bondage to this earth-and that the good is to defeat his body, to undermine it by years of patient struggle, digging his way to that gorgeous jail-break which leads into the freedom of the grave.

"They have taught man that he is a hopeless misfit made of two elements, both symbols of death. A body without a soul is a corpse, a soul without a body is a ghost-yet such is their image of man's nature: the battleground of a struggle between a corpse and a ghost, a corpse endowed with some evil volition of its own and a ghost endowed with the knowledge that everything known to man is nonexistent, that only the unknowable exists.

"Do you observe what human faculty that' doctrine was designed to ignore? It was man's mind that had to be negated in order to make him fall apart. Once he surrendered reason, he was left at the mercy of two monsters whom he could not fathom or control: of a body moved by unaccountable instincts and of a soul moved by mystic revelations-he was left as the passively ravaged victim of a battle between a robot and a dictaphone.

"And as he now crawls through the wreckage, groping blindly for a way to live, your teachers offer him the help of a morality that proclaims that he'll find no solution and must seek no fulfillment on earth. Real existence, they tell him, is that which he cannot perceive, true consciousness is the faculty of perceiving the non-existent-and if he is unable to understand it, that is the proof that his existence is evil and his consciousness impotent.

"As products of the split between man's soul and body, there are two kinds of teachers of the Morality of Death: the mystics of spirit and the mystics of muscle, whom you call the spiritualists and the materialists, those who believe in consciousness without existence and those who believe in existence without consciousness. Both demand the surrender of your mind, one to their revelation, the other to their reflexes. No matter how loudly they posture in the roles of irreconcilable antagonists, their moral codes are alike, and so are their aims: in matter-the enslavement of man's body, in spirit-the destruction of his mind.



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751. Post 10616382 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: Raystonn on March 01, 2015, 01:09:53 AM
I actually had something in development when Coinbase opened its exchange.  I stopped development when I heard the announcement.  I was going to introduce USD as a Counterparty asset, backed 100% by USD Ripple balances.  You could buy into the Counterparty tokens by sending Ripple USD to a specified address, which would then send you USD Counterparty tokens.  You'd then trade the USD Counterparty tokens against Bitcoins on the Counterparty decentralized exchange as desired.  You could also choose to send your Counterparty USD tokens back to the specified address, which would then send you Ripple USD.  In this manner, the USD would be 100% reserved in the Ripple address, which is publicly visible and verifiable on the Ripple ledger.

Anyhow, I halted development after deciding the need was greatly lessened due to Coinbase.  Am I wrong?


You evil, evil ripple shill, how dare you even proposing that.

lol, please don't do it, see my sig VVV



752. Post 10616524 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: dunchy on March 01, 2015, 01:48:57 AM
btc-e has indeed been run properly for years now as far as i can tell , heck i've traded there myself and never had a problem either , but as compared to exchanges in china (government doesn't fuck around) and exchanges in the u.s. (government doesn't fuck around) it would presumably be a lot easier for the btc-e exchange which is run out of croatia if i remember correctly (a not long ago war torn country) to simply disappear eventually whenever they get to X millions goal to run off with ... my rationale for trusting coinbase is that (presumably) the folks who invested 75M into it know who they gave their money to / have a few extra M to hire bounty hunters / assassins / would be able to call upon the u.s. law and financial enforcement agencies should they attempt to pull any funny business (same goes for the major chinese exchanges , as far as difficulty evading chinese law and financial agencies)

- btc-e is not run from Croatia
- Croatia was never torn by war

BTC-E uses Ceska Sporitelna bank, Czech part of the ERSTE bank group that sucks money from mostly eastern part of Europe. Account holder is Mayzus financial from London, that's behind OKPAY as well. The guys are supposedly Bulgarians, website was never fully and properly translated from Russian and support speaks extraterrestrial english. Legit bussiness.

Suck it.



753. Post 10624168 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: Artoodeetoo on March 01, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
The Darkness is coming for Bitcoin...

oh god this coin still exist

Actually we should be posting that in your thread.



epic pumpndump

e: http://youtu.be/3gfntBEI3Aw



754. Post 10632545 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 02, 2015, 05:14:49 PM
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Anyone knows how many joules are tipically consumed today to create 1 valid block (25 BTC)? 
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Assuming current market price is very close to electrical energy spent on mining, and price for that is a low 10 cents / kwh, I'm getting a guesstimate of ~227 GJ.

and how many joules are consumed by one Youtube video with a million views? How many by ALL youtube videos in one day?

This raises the question what amount of energy would be wasted if Bitcoin had a similar sized userbase as youtube.



755. Post 10633220 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on March 02, 2015, 06:27:16 PM

(Before you scream "21 million": that bitcoin limit is "guaranteed" only by  fuzzy arguments about a complicated economic game, not "by math", and could be changed if the right players agreed to it.  Moreover, any kid can duplicate the amount of bitcoins in existence by creating a hard fork of the blockchain and starting to mine it on his laptotp.  Anyone who has bitcoins will gain an equal amount of those "series B" bitcoins, accessible through the same private keys, and could trade them independently of his old bitcoins by duplicating his wallet and downloading the kids's client software. Whether those "series B" bitcoins will get a significant market value is a market(ing) question, not a technical one.  And, of course, there are the altcoins.)


You're describing a double spend attack, right?

No, I am describing a hard fork.

It does not interfere with the original chain directly, simply creates another clone, premined and "pre-transacted" to hae the same addresses, private keys, UTXOS, and everything as the original chain.  All it can do is steal value from the original bitcoins, if for some reason people prefer to spend their dollars on "series B" bitcoins rather than original ones.

Perhaps you should tell people that it's not likely to be some kid on his laptop to do this fork but more likely to be a more sensible version of the Bitcoin "Foundation" a few years down the road.



756. Post 10633817 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Bitcoin is not a protocol, you know that Adam.



757. Post 10634196 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: YourMother on March 02, 2015, 07:48:20 PM
Satoshi is thanking you guys for making his 1 million bitcoins more valuable.

1 MILLION ROFLMAO



Nice, notice how the approximate volume ratio of the top of the pyramid to the rest is about the same as saoshis bitcoins to the rest.



758. Post 10635315 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: seljo on March 02, 2015, 09:07:21 PM
Time to repost...

Spoiler: The movie ends badly for that train.



759. Post 10637211 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Rumor has it ASICMINER just scammed their customers by means of the usual faux "security breach"

trollgasm



760. Post 10637334 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 03, 2015, 01:30:52 AM
Rumor has it ASICMINER just scammed their customers by means of another faux "security breach"

trollgasm

yeah ... pretty sure it's impossible to steal an entire warehouse full of mining machines from an actively staffed industrial mine ...

Bunch of degen Bitcoiners anyway.

*kicks at nothing.



Well, today another one bites the dust.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2973276/Australian-CEO-34-identified-man-killed-Phuket-motorcycle-accident-wasn-t-wearing-helmet-suffered-fatal-head-injuries.html
Thailand
Motorcycle
no Helmet



761. Post 10637406 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: empowering on March 03, 2015, 01:56:44 AM
All to easy for this to happen out there... having spent a lot of time in se asia, it is all too common... in my past I have spent a lot of time bombing around islands on bikes with no helmet, on occasion with a drink or two in me, often on gravel covered roads.. one slip....

R.I.P Adam Tepper  : (

(*misspent youth)

(** I am not  in anyway insinuating Adam Tepper was drinking)

It's always Thailand.




762. Post 10637425 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: empowering on March 03, 2015, 02:02:25 AM
All to easy for this to happen out there... having spent a lot of time in se asia, it is all too common... in my past I have spent a lot of time bombing around islands on bikes with no helmet, on occasion with a drink or two in me, often on gravel covered roads.. one slip....

R.I.P Adam Tepper  : (

(*misspent youth)

(** I am not  in anyway insinuating Adam Tepper was drinking)

It's always Thailand.

Yeah.... I have seen some god awful shit out there as it goes.






763. Post 10637445 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 03, 2015, 02:04:31 AM
^You like popsickles? Then you need to come down to the cellar. Cause I got a freezer full of popsickles down in the cellar.

I couldn't believe it at first, but you guys seem to be right. Always assumed Bruce Wagner was the exception.

Disturbing.



764. Post 10639345 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: empowering on March 03, 2015, 02:42:27 AM
Huh?

I think I am lost.

I just looked up this Chris Hansen (I do not watch television, but have heard of the show)  and Bruce Wagner..

Let me get this straight, in case I am confused....  are you guys saying if you spend time in south east asia you are a pedophile?

That cannot be what you are getting at? because that would be almost one of the stupidest things I have ever heard?



 

Not necessarily, but implicitly if you are all of the following things:
- a white Male
- traveling alone
- new found riches
- vocal about "freedom" in a certain way about very specific topics only happening to affect the prosecution of sex offenders, not others
- a certain image of sleaziness

*not enough to convict somebody, but fuck you that's why.



765. Post 10640741 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: shmadz on March 03, 2015, 10:28:53 AM
Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.


but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.
OK, which one?
Oh right your choices are somewhat limited.



766. Post 10660974 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

nevergofullretard.jpg



767. Post 10667917 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: gkv9 on March 05, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
Adam Guerbuez is the false prophet.


Kim Dotcom is our true leader.


The better fed the guru, the more reliable.

One thing that's common in both is, both are fat asses and nobody knows what they will be spitting the next minute out of their mouth... Wink

Kim.com is way fatter, so it's him. He's almost two Karpeles.



768. Post 10667943 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 05, 2015, 01:08:43 PM
So how do we know that some whale or whales weren't planning on buying 50K coins or more on the open market and instead are buying them at auction? In other words, How do we know that this sale isn't already priced into the market? It's not like this auction is a surprise or anything.

Cherish this day: Coinbase will announce to openly buy Bitcoins with the VC money.



769. Post 10667992 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on March 05, 2015, 01:15:11 PM
So how do we know that some whale or whales weren't planning on buying 50K coins or more on the open market and instead are buying them at auction? In other words, How do we know that this sale isn't already priced into the market? It's not like this auction is a surprise or anything.
Cherish this day: Coinbase will announce to openly buy Bitcoins with the VC money.

Charles Lee was asked about that, he said that they cannot use their VC to play the market. (Which makes obvious sense.  Why would you give your money to someone else to gamble at Las Vegas?)

That doesn't mean they won't use them to pay out merchants and keep the Bitcoins, which for all intents and purposes is the same thing. And they can change their mind or have lied.



770. Post 10668021 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 05, 2015, 01:17:46 PM
So how do we know that some whale or whales weren't planning on buying 50K coins or more on the open market and instead are buying them at auction? In other words, How do we know that this sale isn't already priced into the market? It's not like this auction is a surprise or anything.

Cherish this day: Coinbase will announce to openly buy Bitcoins with the VC money.

They don't have to do that nor should they. It doesn't mean they won't do that as that reckless "moon" stunt proved, but hopefully they can be more subtle. All they need to do is keep the btc they earn as fees in a reserve account and use the VC money to meet operating expenses. The effect is the same as buying bitcoins. (because they are not selling coins they otherwise would sell.)

Operating expenses is not the same thing as paying out merchants who want cash. The only expenses they have are hosting and salaries and if they need VC money for that they would be a failure from the beginning.



771. Post 10668221 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 05, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
So how do we know that some whale or whales weren't planning on buying 50K coins or more on the open market and instead are buying them at auction? In other words, How do we know that this sale isn't already priced into the market? It's not like this auction is a surprise or anything.

Cherish this day: Coinbase will announce to openly buy Bitcoins with the VC money.

They don't have to do that nor should they. It doesn't mean they won't do that as that reckless "moon" stunt proved, but hopefully they can be more subtle. All they need to do is keep the btc they earn as fees in a reserve account and use the VC money to meet operating expenses. The effect is the same as buying bitcoins. (because they are not selling coins they otherwise would sell.)

Operating expenses is not the same thing as paying out merchants who want cash.

of course it isn't the same. Who is saying it is? Who is saying they have any plans to cash out vendors with VC money?

I think there is a strong possibility. It's the obvious thing to do. Can even be part of their "business model"...



772. Post 10685630 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on March 06, 2015, 11:54:24 PM
...I'm up over ... 3000% last five years. I'm just pissed because I should have done much much better.

3000% in 5 years?  Let's see, a $20 pizza was sold for 10,000 BTC back then...  So you've lost most of your coin?  No shit you "should have done much better." Cheesy

he bought in first near the top of the 2011 hype, which either means he flipped some coins (ie traded) in between what would make him a hypocrite, or a liar. Oh and yes I'm pretty sure he bought near the top of the 2011 hype because his angry rant after the first major goxxing was archived on the something awful frontpage.
(Which also means he always was an insufferable asshole)



773. Post 10685708 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 07, 2015, 12:21:44 AM
Bitstamp is just a rumpled husk of its former self. I saw 7 minutes between trades a while back... sad. Gonna take a while to make back that near 20k btc lost with commissions.

That's a cause for celebration, un-ironically. Apparently SOME people do learn.



774. Post 10685729 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 07, 2015, 12:26:28 AM
but I'm still learning.




you mean not yet.



775. Post 10732394 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on March 11, 2015, 02:02:05 AM
People are opening longs at 0.75% a day FFS! The entire USD Long end has been wiped...

Last time this happened, the price dropped 30% the 30 days following the spike. Obviously, this isn't reason to believe it will happen again in that same way, but it is a possible warning sign.

If price doesn't start to go up soon then they will most likely close the positions.  The % is to high to justify the loan rate for a declining/sideways price.



I am glad I took extra USD loans a few days ago before the rates went crazy. I use the extra USD to buy a little on all the dips, a tip I learned from reading really old posts on this forum. And if the price goes down due to some crazy flash dumper, I have USD with low rates to buy big and lower my average buy in price.

I know many have said it before but I will repeat it for newer traders, if you are using leverage, make sure you have enough coins or fiat to back it even if the price goes way down. I am currently leveraged to the point where sub 100 won't clean me out. At that point I will be buying so many coins that I will just send them to finex to further my capital. (I wish I would have known this before I lost 100s of coins back in the day)

I'm sure the bank teller was fine with it being used for buying bitcoins, right?

I know, I know getting a loan under false pretenses or your credit rating doesn't matter in the new world of super duper hyper bitcoin randian enterprise utopia.



776. Post 10732419 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Just realizing you are referring to gambling on bitfinex as taking a loan, carry on.

(Which makes it not less dumb)



777. Post 10732551 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: Richy_T on March 11, 2015, 02:30:04 AM
Why exactly is Bitcoin rallying? Nothing has changed.

Exactly. Nothing *has* changed. In my opinion, all Bitcoin has to do to succeed is not fail.

By what metric? And what do you mean when you say Bitcoin, the Software, the Community or the use as a Payment Infrastructure?
Because I think it ultimately failed on the latter two accounts with The Goxxing. (or if you believe GOX the former one....)



778. Post 10732579 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: Bozuatle on March 11, 2015, 02:38:12 AM
Last time I checked, which was about 20 minutes ago, Bitcoin was still a cryptocurrency.
Which consists of the Software, the Community and the use as a Payment Infrastructure.



779. Post 10834201 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: barbs on March 20, 2015, 04:18:01 PM
I'm not trying to be funny but how does the current order book justify the current price?

Pretty funny actually



780. Post 10840729 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 21, 2015, 11:58:52 AM
hello!

how's those healthy longs from 250 looking now?

this is going down, you have been warned.
The way this looks bulltards have started to hoard swaps and don't pay them back. All the while they getting buttfucked by interest.
This looks like a new development btw... May the willy bot save them.




781. Post 10840778 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 21, 2015, 12:09:31 PM


He'll never budge.

COXXED again



782. Post 10862483 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

lol if you think anything anybody posts in this forum, especially in this thread has any effect on the price.



783. Post 10863438 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: bassclef on March 23, 2015, 05:52:26 PM
lol if you think anything anybody posts in this forum, especially in this thread has any effect on the price.

You're still here.

so?



784. Post 10870875 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: barbs on March 24, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
The moon is NOT as far away as these permabears make it out to be

Bitcoin is still better than casino gambling because you're guaranteed to be holding something even if it goes down

unless it's getting goxxed



785. Post 10886505 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 25, 2015, 08:06:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92QbJr-cA8

LEOCOIN IS THE FUTURE!!!



obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfntBEI3Aw



786. Post 10886812 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 25, 2015, 09:19:13 PM

Holy crap!

He made a song about Tarmi!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEIbzhMhGY
I like the paycoin song best



787. Post 10896351 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Thebestinvestment23 on March 26, 2015, 06:20:18 PM



lulz



788. Post 10896785 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 26, 2015, 09:35:08 PM

how many coins does BIT hold then? any signed address known?

Their financial report says they held 1,382,400 shares or 138,240 BTC as of Dec 31, 2014.


whoo i see..  USG 'licensed' stamp-approval magically legitimizing more paperwork.. Roll Eyes

Are you seriously saying that Barry Silbert and the Bitcoin Investment Trust don't actually hold the bitcoin?

which bitcoins? who holds what? does barry silbert holds BIT's bitcoins? i dunno. show the bitcoins before asking people to invest. this is ridiculous.

It's roughly the same thing as with Mark Karpeles, only Berry Silbert is slimmer, better dressed and has no cat (I think).



789. Post 10913505 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 28, 2015, 05:27:24 PM
P.S. Record players and mono tube amps still rock.

Quote
What's your favorite power tube? Shuguang Treasure 300B-Z
What's your favorite pre rube? Sylvania 5U4GB & Brimar CV4004 / ECC83
Type and brand. PrimaLuna monoblocks <-affordable

Your questions open up a big canOworms as many have their own personal listening expectations. Ego's aside I can only comment on what I have experience with. If you have the means to explore your passion there are far greater options available.

PrimaLuna monoblocks
http://www.primaluna-usa.com/product-main/prologue-premium/prem-mono

Saturn
http://www.dared.com.hk/download/product/167/Saturn%20Signature%20-%20Datasheet.pdf <-Toroidal Transformer Cheesy

Teresonic Reference 2a3
http://www.teresonic.com/amplifiers
http://dagogo.com/teresonic-reference-2a3-integrated-tube-amplifier-review


http://clearaudio.de/en/_archive/turntables-solution_master_reference.php
http://clearaudio.de/en/products/cartridges-mc-concerto_v2.php

makes sense that some bitcoin nutters would be into "audiophile" spectrum.
Same irrational arguments, same ignorance when dealing with criticism, same cult like worship of "gurus" providing the "knowledge"



790. Post 10920227 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

The Peter Todd Drama is just heating up, with the potential of essentially forking the development team. If there ever was a time where "fundamentals" stand on dubious grounds it's now.



791. Post 10965101 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 02, 2015, 10:01:17 PM
@ Wandererfromthenorth
Bitcoin is the gas for the car. Putting you on ignore list right now...
Had him on ignore for months.

Ripple is dead so his purpose for being here is now over.

Back when my interest here still went beyond laughing at people I used to get a kick out of it when somebody announced they'd ignore me that way. I meant they don't have any arguments left to come up with.



792. Post 10980907 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: inca on April 04, 2015, 02:16:15 PM
The gold market is 99% speculation and 1% jewelry and computer parts. So what?

And it does matter because you are just talking your book. Because when you are long you will spout an opposing opinion without believing it. That is important because boiled down it means no one can trust or believe a word coming out of your mouth. Smiley

Except it's not. Half of all gold mined to date is in jewelery.



793. Post 10981377 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: empowering on April 04, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
As for Bitcoin being bankrupt, what are you smoking?

Bitcoin is bankrupt, that's right! Ahahahaha

You can't spell bankruptcy without BTC!



794. Post 11016135 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: empowering on April 08, 2015, 02:16:41 AM
WHERE IS MY ORDER OF FUCKING DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM?Huh!!!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiqo6hMs4AA



795. Post 11034201 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: hdbuck on April 09, 2015, 05:23:04 PM
have you red the whole story regarding Ross and his two buddies Bridges and Force?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahjeong/2015/03/31/force-and-bridges/

It was obviously set up from the beginning.

Silk Road Sealed Document Dump Day (Full Text):
http://qntra.net/2015/04/silk-road-sealed-document-dump-day-full-text/

Roll Eyes

I read a lot of stuff already.  Could you please summarize what is new in those docs, the point you are trying to make?  That Ross was induced by rogue agents to create SilkRoad?

(Bitcoin also helped the FBI to catch and indict those two agents, by the way.)

to sum up:

- Ross was 'partnering' with Mr Force, who was kinda the 'brain' behind silk road
- Mr Force manipulated Ross, instilling paranoia until he suggested to him to hire a hitman
- Mr Force was the one laundering SR coins, he threathened MK BTW (which led to the freezing of MtGOX accounts in USA, starting this whole fractional reserve shitstorm..).
- Mr Force got busted because of Bitstamp which reported him

My point is that Ross is some stupid innocent scapegoat, framed by rogue agents from the beginning.
+ all the deepweb drug supermarkets are likely to be USG ops, or at least highly infiltrated.
CIA being the n°1 drug dealer worldwide.

And i wouldnt exclude the possibility that Bitcoin might be NSA's achievement.
Whatever, its a win/win for me humble bitcoiner since the NSA is way more competitive than the FED/IMF dinosaures..

edit: Mr Force got busted because of fiat, not bitcoin. If only he kept his BTC instead of laundering them on exchanges.. Roll Eyes

Ross still made the site, and Saul Goodman is only on TV. He might get out of the murder for hire charges but that's about it.



796. Post 11087615 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: YourMother on April 14, 2015, 06:12:41 PM
Wanna see something abusive ?




WTMF!

uTORRENT dumping ?

stop spreading FUD you evil statist shill, this is actually good for Bitcoin.



797. Post 11108562 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on April 16, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
Rally ran out of gas?
No rally. Price just gently floating back up to where it's supposed to be.

Short covering.



798. Post 11118223 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: inca on April 17, 2015, 02:47:12 PM
What happens to Bitfinex if the long squeeze comes and the bids get wiped? Will the dollar lenders lose their money if the longs are unable to close?
I certainly hope so, otherwise why would they get paid 30% if there was no risk involved ?
It would be assuring for everyone with any money on Bitfinex to know what their policy is in this situation. They could haircut everyone, including exchange accounts, or go gox for all I know.

Dont be silly.

It was silly once thinking about mtgox blowing up and all their customers losing fucking everything. Not to mention this is exactly what happened to bitcoinica. (Exchange in the red because of laggy liquidations.)



799. Post 11118322 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: inca on April 17, 2015, 05:48:00 PM
It was silly once thinking about mtgox blowing up and all their customers losing fucking everything. Not to mention this is exactly what happened to bitcoinica. (Exchange in the red because of laggy liquidations.)

It was silly to predict that coinbase would run off with peoples money but that didn't stop you predicting it on here!



Stop making stuff up.



800. Post 11121125 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 17, 2015, 10:01:46 PM
Nice! Some pressure on Lawsky  Cool
http://bitcoinist.net/new-yorks-bitlicense-faces-competition-rand-paul-event/


Wingnut politics influences legislation, now here's a new one, I haven't heard of.
LOL Grin



801. Post 11128924 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on April 18, 2015, 08:31:48 PM
Shorts at all time high.

bullshit, ATH is at ~7.2 mil, right now at ~5.5 mil
http://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php



802. Post 11136780 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on April 19, 2015, 06:21:24 PM
Well, difficulty down substantially it seems.

Estimated Next Difficulty:   47,606,427,273 (-3.72%)
Adjust time:   After 3 Blocks, About 31.5 minutes

It took a month to go from 20b to 30b. We crossed 40b at Nov 18, 2014 and we still haven't crossed 50b. That should tell you something about how squeezed miners are atm.  And when summer comes many of them will have to look at costs connected to cooling those machines vs just turning them off.

I doubt they have the equipment or even the prerequisites to install AC units in that scale.



803. Post 11201354 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

stupid cultists get out and leave speculators/gamblers who just wanna make money alone
thisiswhywecanthavenicethings.jpg



804. Post 11201448 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: inca on April 26, 2015, 01:38:38 PM
stupid cultists get out and leave speculators/gamblers who just wanna make money alone
thisiswhywecanthavenicethings.jpg

Two points:
1) You've been wrong about bitcoin for years.
2) Holding bitcoin is a pure form of speculation.




1) No, but feel free to skim through 8k posts to nit-pick something I posted years ago out of context
2) Fine then do that and shut up about it.



805. Post 11201741 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: inca on April 26, 2015, 02:07:42 PM
Holders are just as entitled to post on here as anyone else.

But you shouldn't, because your prejudged decision doesn't require any debate of any kind, in contrary to other people who debate their decisions. This is why your posts read like a broken record and that's why you should stop posting.



806. Post 11201812 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: inca on April 26, 2015, 02:23:11 PM
Holders are just as entitled to post on here as anyone else.

But you shouldn't, because your prejudged decision doesn't require any debate of any kind, in contrary to other people who debate their decisions. This is why your posts read like a broken record and that's why you should stop posting.

Stop trying to stifle debate. It's pathetic.


I'm not. Use this thread like it's intended to post about order depth (or even something related to trading) and I promise I'll either ignore it or post something insightful.



807. Post 11201905 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: inca on April 26, 2015, 02:30:57 PM
stupid cultists get out and leave speculators/gamblers who just wanna make money alone
thisiswhywecanthavenicethings.jpg

I am struggling to see your discussion about the orderbooks or price action in this post which started this all off.

It was a reaction to the posts above which essentially were "yes I'm in the red, I'll never sell my Bitcoins and if that doesn't work out I'll go down along with it."



808. Post 11202160 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: nioc on April 26, 2015, 02:42:45 PM
I would like to know where you got 43% from?
http://slashdot.org/poll/2879/i-predict-that-by-next-earth-day-bitcoin-will-

apparently it's 42% now.



809. Post 11218289 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Stop over thinking it, just because it wasn't smart doesn't mean some sinister purpose. It could just have been that... not smart.



810. Post 11218378 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: coinableS on April 28, 2015, 02:46:19 AM
Stop over thinking it, just because it wasn't smart doesn't mean some sinister purpose. It could just have been that... not smart.

So you're saying occam's razor?
essentially yes



811. Post 11254180 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 01, 2015, 02:19:47 PM
This looks interesting! More info on this?

We are still in the pre-announce stage but the design and location are taking shape.



We are shooting for a cost of around $5 million offering 50,000 shares of $100 each. The initial businesses on the platform will be part of the company and boat slips will be paid to the company with the profits going to the shareholders.

Oh my, this gonna be a good laugh.
Can't wait for Galt's Gulch to take shape!

Created a wiki yet?



812. Post 11265665 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: macsga on May 02, 2015, 06:51:05 PM
And since when a ponzi (is this even certified?) scheme is bad to take BTCs for its "service"?

Holy shit.



813. Post 11268223 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: shmadz on May 03, 2015, 01:44:27 AM
^Until that day, they remain an unforgivable embarrassment


Yes, an unforgettable reminder that if you don't control your keys, you don't own shit!

Same goes for many markets...

I'm anticipating the day when some other markets start to unwind and people begin to realize that they are only holding promises, well, I only hope they are as calm.

There is something called regulatory oversight, yes it sometimes does not work but it prevents things from going as bad as it went with gox.
Deal with it wingnut.



814. Post 11270883 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: shmadz on May 03, 2015, 03:05:50 AM
^Until that day, they remain an unforgivable embarrassment


Yes, an unforgettable reminder that if you don't control your keys, you don't own shit!

Same goes for many markets...

I'm anticipating the day when some other markets start to unwind and people begin to realize that they are only holding promises, well, I only hope they are as calm.

There is something called regulatory oversight, yes it sometimes does not work but it prevents things from going as bad as it went with gox.
Deal with it wingnut.

LOL!

Just like it prevented Lehman Bros.?

Or maybe going from less than 1 trillion to more than 18 trillion in debt during the reign of Obama was a good thing?

You can take your "regulation" and shove it, my friend.

*edit* mtgox was a corrupt, failing institution, but at least it was allowed to fail. Some people lost money in that fiasco , but at least the losses were absorbed by the parties involved, not spread upon the general public like what happened in 2008. I have no faith in a regulatory system that exits only to prevent competition and does nothing to prevent corruption.

Yeah 2008 was bad, and it was partly caused by lack of regulatory oversight, which in term was caused by wingnut lobbying groups in politics.

Interesting that you call mtgox an "institution", last time I checked that was a company. You are so deeply entrenched in the language of far out right wing politics (sometimes called libertarianism) that how you express things stops making sense to regular people. Grin



815. Post 11271208 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ErisDiscordia on May 03, 2015, 11:11:47 AM
Examples given include (but are not limited to):
- social institutions like marriage
- religious institutions
- political institutions
- business institutions like corporations.

you seem to be so deeply entrenched in the far left side of what you believe to be a right-left spectrum of political thought, that you are starting to bend the meaning of words to better conform with your particular world-view.

Except mtgox was a 1 manchild ("CEO" plus everything else) and a few tech support workers type of startup. Even calling it a company is a stretch.
That's not a cooperation, which has the prefix co- in it, implying several participants.



816. Post 11316226 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on May 07, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
$ 2 4 0 COMING UP

Ain't nothing wrong with dreaming. When things are this hopeless, what else is there?
Somehow newbies are always eager to write such statements. Almost every single "bitcoin is dead" post on this forum comes from a new account.

The chances of it being a newbie are slim in the extreme. It's the same old psycho dullard droning away. It is such a dead cert I pretty much auto ignore any newbie in this section without bothering to read. Sorry real newbies.
I kinda get a kick out of how many sox are opened and am mesmerized by the sheer derangement it must take to be such a rabid troll of any forum out there. I've been on certain forums for many years and I've never seen one like this. Can anyone comprehend what this person's life looks like in years to come...

Dude, I've been posting on Forums for well over a decade and never been to one having sprout a literal cult. The worst thing was one where one of it's admins died, and that was nothing compared to the gospel of "So a man took a shit."



817. Post 11316315 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: inca on May 07, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
$ 2 4 0 COMING UP

Ain't nothing wrong with dreaming. When things are this hopeless, what else is there?
Somehow newbies are always eager to write such statements. Almost every single "bitcoin is dead" post on this forum comes from a new account.

The chances of it being a newbie are slim in the extreme. It's the same old psycho dullard droning away. It is such a dead cert I pretty much auto ignore any newbie in this section without bothering to read. Sorry real newbies.
I kinda get a kick out of how many sox are opened and am mesmerized by the sheer derangement it must take to be such a rabid troll of any forum out there. I've been on certain forums for many years and I've never seen one like this. Can anyone comprehend what this person's life looks like in years to come...

Dude, I've been posting on Forums for well over a decade and never been to one having sprout a literal cult. The worst thing was one where one of it's admins died, and that was nothing compared to the gospel of "So a man took a shit."

I actually lolled at that.. Grin

You're welcome



818. Post 11376569 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: tarmi on May 14, 2015, 05:49:22 PM
and bitfinex is down


 Grin

how convenient.



Certainly a victim of their own success.



819. Post 11445352 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: spud21 on May 21, 2015, 11:17:03 PM
I think putting miners in work out equipment would be way better than toasters.

Harder you go the more you mined.
How about putting them in sex toys?

Pacemakers surely?

Putting them in pacemakers might be a bad idea. If you have a pacemaker fitted and die, the people who fitted it want it back. They cut it back out, and your relatives would probably lose any Bitcoins they might have inherited from its Bitcoin mining.

Stop trying too hard, you guys are exempt from poe's law.



820. Post 11505109 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on June 01, 2015, 11:03:04 AM
Sounds like the FUD that only JorgeStolfi would write.  Cheesy

lol



821. Post 11545212 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Zombie123 on June 05, 2015, 08:53:46 PM
We have many new players coming to bitcoin all the time in the form of retailers, traders and miners mostly.  Yes, the "miners" portion is probably slowing down a little bit but they are still coming.  I see newbies in the mining threads all the time asking questions about mining.  The new one's who come along pick up the slack of any oldies who may have left bitcoin behind.  Especially, the newbies to trading bitcoin.

We are still very early in the game for bitcoin.  It's a new technology to most; much like the internet and email was to most when it first came out.  These things take time.  So, be patient and let the blockchain work things out.

We have many venture capital groups who have invested a lot of money into the technology of the blockchain.  Many user friendly apps for financial institutions will be coming out soon and will change the way billions in the world live their daily lives.  Many here may give up on bitcoin for lack of patience.  However, I know billions on this earth who have yet to even hear of it who will gladly accept it with open arms and give it the support it needs in great numbers.  There is strength in numbers.

As people in other parts of the world come into the fold of technology with smart phones and the like, we will see a increased enthusiasm for bitcoin - the application.  As other applications are created and used on the blockchain [with a relative ease and security] news will go around about the blockchain.  Bitcoin is not the blockchain.  The blockchain is bitcoin.  The blockchain is more than just bitcoin.  The blockchain is MANY things we have yet to see, but will see in time that will change the way we do many things in the future.

So, be patient...  The future is here...  It only needs a little time to play out.  In June of 2007 (eight years ago on June 29) we had the iPhone or the term, "smart phone."  That was only 8 years ago, people. Nobody ever heard the term, "Smart phone" until eight years ago.  Eight years is only a blink of an eye.  The "drama" in the price of bitcoin fluctuation is what it is - "drama."  We haven't had eight years yet with bitcoin. 

Do not fret!  Bitcoin (the app) will have it's day of recompense.  We just need to be patient and wait on the many other things the blockchain can do.  It's all about "the blockchain."  Not bitcoin!  Bitcoin, is only an application on the blockchain.  Be patient and watch how many other apps created using "the blockchain" technology changes the world.  THEN, you will see a change for the better in how the rest of the world values any other applications, such as bitcoin, using the blockchain technology.

All this talk of saying, "If the price goes below this amount, it's over."  I feel the price of bitcoin is directly related to the value of "the blockchain."  If the blockchain does well, then most any application using the blockchain will do well; as long as it's user friendly.  We are making progress in leaps and bounds with "user friendliness" ever since the blockchain and bitcoin first came out.  Give it time folks.  The blockchain and and it's apps [Including Bitcoin] will do wonders for mankind the same way the internet has.  Just give it time. 

Those who give up on it will lose in the end for their lack of patience.  Six years is but a fart in the wind in view of time and how technology changes.  As more time passes, we will see great strides in the blockchain and many user friendly apps using the blockchain technology; including bitcoin.

David

One of my favorite replies so far here at the forum.

This is one of the very few sane posts  on this thread and infact in the forum. Its all about blockchain.. bitcoin is just a tiny part of it. This is just the beginning of something great just wait and watch



822. Post 11545470 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

I'm watching, and in terms of overextended unwarranted self importance that has been the highlight of my day. A nice hahaha, unlike this here. Thank satoshi I was not eating.



823. Post 11585683 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on June 10, 2015, 07:05:22 PM
let's end this embarrassing pathetic bear market finally. it lasted way to long.
i'm tired of the ugliness.

but still. better lose a few k fiat before missing the train when this thing lifts off.
believe me. i've been through both. fomo is much worse and that's because deep inside you know what bitcoin will be.

give up, bears. you can be happy again and leave the ugliness.

Huh? 80% down? You're hard to please.

Lets make this 1% down annually over three decades.



824. Post 11594455 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on June 11, 2015, 07:17:36 PM

Max Keiser is a Pump-and-Dumping scammer.  In my book he deserves zero respect, even if he gets it right once in a while (which he will of course loudly publicize, in order to build enough credit to initiate his next P&D).

He is.
But he also was the face of Bitcoin once, as Roger Ver is now and Bruce Wagner was before him. It's just takes a certain personality trait. That makes me wonder why Roger "GoX is fine" Ver is still hold in so high regard.



825. Post 11595102 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on June 11, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
Sry, I meant Ver.

What attributes of nerddom does Roger Ver posses? If anything he's a proper libertarian and resonates with that crowd. But nerd?
George W. Bush also talks funny.



826. Post 11610994 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on June 13, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
This is slightly OT, but since nothing's happening, I figured this is a good time for a poll:
Which fandom is more cringeworthy, MLP or BTC?

I am not familiar with the MLP world.  Has there ever been a case of an MLP-fiat exchange swallowing 600'000 of its clients unicorns?  How many megawatts does it take to prevent a pony from being enjoyed by two fans at the same time?

They both are very easy to make fun of, but MLP isn't paticulary sophisticated in regards to humor. I suppose you are aware of furries, and if you are brave look up Chris-Chan. Uh and yes you should stop at that point, I didn't dare to look further.
For me making fun of somebodies sexuality and/or quirks isn't as entertaining as making fun of their beliefs and world view because the choice of becoming a libertarian/sovereign citizen/anacap type of advocate. Adult men being turned on by cartoon horses may be strange, pathetic, and many other things but it's neither intellectual nor political.



827. Post 11625162 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 15, 2015, 04:33:46 PM
Luke-Jr must be happy





is there a story behind this? Eligius is for the block limit increase and isn't including TX's to press the issue?

NICE!



828. Post 11749241 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 29, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
The front page of r/bitcoin and some of the comments from crypto companies doesn't give off the most inspiring impression. There's a definite vulture-esque feel at times. They should've stepped up when it was less desperate.

Why? Doing exactly the only thing they know how to do.



829. Post 11758042 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Dump3er on June 30, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
if there is some a big move into bitcoin in greece, say this time next year 10% of greek pop uses bitcoin and its accepted everywhere in greece we could very well see 32,000$ in less than 2 years. 10% of greece's pop is ~1 million poeple, assuming these 1million poeple hodl a 500$ balances in bitcoin we're looking at half a billion dollars pumped into bitcoin, but it won't stop there, having a real world economy use bitcoin is going to improve investor confidence, and i could easily see 10-20billion get pumped into bitcoin as a result, but it won't stop there, economies will crash around the world one by one, and seeing how greeks all got rich off of using bitcoin, they will all want to do the same thing, the decentralization of world domination is well under way! but it won't stop there aliens will come down from the heavens and buy bitcoin.

But don’t forget that the NSA is watching this thread and they are forming a union with Morgain Stanley, Goldman Sachs and all huge banks against bitcoin... paid troll invasions, huge fud campains, heavy market manipulation will happen.... and then eventually the one manipulator by itself will come and fill all those fucking bids in one hit till the lower double digits.

Uhh that meeting was supposed to be confidential.



830. Post 11791605 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: chopstick on July 04, 2015, 06:49:32 PM


LMFAO....

Donald Trump is such a pathetic joke.

Quality entertainment, though!

Quick pitch it to him as a way to keep mexicans out of jesusland.



831. Post 11791671 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on July 04, 2015, 08:51:37 PM


LMFAO....

Donald Trump is such a pathetic joke.

Quality entertainment, though!

Quick pitch it to him as a way to keep mexicans out of jesusland.

Utah?

The whole bible obesity belt. But don't move there.



832. Post 11861278 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

now look at all that euphoria



833. Post 11890132 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: _javi_ on July 15, 2015, 10:58:27 PM
I care nothing of Peercoin I just know a Litecoin drop doesn't imply BTC is to follow.

told you so  Sad

Part of the reason BTC went so high was the LTC pump. BTC-E was leading the rally for most of the time.
It simply was bot arbitrage which offset the market balance. Not the only factor, but the tipping point.



834. Post 11910991 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 18, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still scrapping over $280 I see. As sideways as it gets.

The last few weekends have seen movements. Will this one be dead flat?



I think the market is still trying to decipher this cryptic message from BTC-e:

For anybody interested, here is the official statement from BTC-E owners regarding this and other similar incidents in the past that had losses of customer funds as an unfortunate consequence.



http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/ExpletiveDeficit1.jpg

translation:
http://i.imgur.com/SiN92.gif



835. Post 12157138 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 16, 2015, 04:05:58 PM
If you insist on running a full node then you'll have to run a full node. I don't see the problem.

a problem is that the number of full nodes is already pathetically low, and to further decreasing it of an order of magnitude or 2 via much higher bandwidth and hardware specs opens a whole can of worms about transparency, trust, resilience/antifragility and whatnot.

I'd prefer that ppl use dogcoins or any alt of their choice for microtx, tips, spam, and frappucinos, and use btc only for serious stuff.

Without a personal incentive to run a node that's not all surprising. In that respect the hard work is a welcome precedent so that such incentives may be added in the future.



836. Post 12227368 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):


Quote from: Norway on August 24, 2015, 11:44:03 AM


Finex is worrying me

Relax. These guys are starting a new one soon:





837. Post 12271885 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

It seems Bitcoin slowly discovers why centralization in the financial system exists to begin with. The blocksize voting of BIP100 isn't that dissimilar to how a central bank operates.

Votes by a few mining pool dictate an important financial factor, just like in the central bank certain financial institutions get to vote on the decisions.
It may not make sense to regulate that particular one - the transaction count per time period, but nevertheless it is what it is. It's simply more practical.



838. Post 12273064 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: bambou on August 29, 2015, 10:15:10 AM
It seems Bitcoin slowly discovers why centralization in the financial system exists to begin with. The blocksize voting of BIP100 isn't that dissimilar to how a central bank operates.

Votes by a few mining pool dictate an important financial factor, just like in the central bank certain financial institutions get to vote on the decisions.
It may not make sense to regulate that particular one - the transaction count per time period, but nevertheless it is what it is. It's simply more practical.


It will kill Bitcoin's fundamentals.

Please, it hasn't been truly decentralized since GPU mining and pools, don't be delusional.
Giving voting privileges to nodes simply doesn't makes sense, too easily manipulated. We've seen that with the fake XT nodes popping up.

At least having votes from mining pools it's somewhat representative.
Merchants, Payment processors and other startups who simply are Bitcoin end users shouldn't have any say in the subject because they don't have the authority. Miners do, developers do, everybody else is free to leave if they don't like it.



839. Post 12273304 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: bambou on August 29, 2015, 11:20:55 AM
On the contrary, whilst I may agree with part of what you say, I for one, sincerely believe that NOONE has or should have any power over Bitcoin. That is what makes its value.

Hence the decentralized consensus them businessmen are trying to catch, BEFORE THE NETWORK GROWS TO MUCH, and makes it nearly impossible to change anything. That is why the rush. But there is none actually, it is just mainstream propaganda, and y'all falling for it.


snip

Even if you disagree with me on that this amount of centralization is a good thing, you have to admit that this is how the world works. States and Nations for instance while having electrons on governmental issues citizens can't directly vote for or against a particular policy, that can only the representatives do. And even the states can't decide what they want without first checking if it is in line with international treaties. They can however leave these treaties, if they deal with the repercussions.
I have some issues about how some of this works, drug policy and copyright for instance are too rigorously regulated on the international level, but I still prefer it to having each town for example decide how they what to deal with that.
Quote from: Feri22 on August 29, 2015, 11:22:15 AM
You sound like typical arrogant banker or politician...I hope people like you will never gain any power or vote on how the future Bitcoin will be...

BRB, sucking federal reserve cock.



840. Post 12276469 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 29, 2015, 05:18:56 PM
How ya like this price action, cripplecoiners? Nobody wants to buy your damn unscalable shitcoins.

It's gonna get even worse. Once word gets out about the 21% vulnerability of BIP100, You're gonna see what the market thinks about miners running the show.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115193/bip-100-support-grows-21-attack-worries-remain



What if they simply set the target at 50% of the 20%-80% of the votes and tell you people NOW STFU? Some idiots will probably attack it on that still, not realizing what they are doing.
Scrapping the top and the bottom makes me think that's probably what's initially intended.



841. Post 12278402 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: shmadz on August 29, 2015, 09:08:27 PM
How do you propose that the miners are incentivized to protect the security of the blockchain if there is no scarcity enforced on the size of the Blockchain?

By the block reward, and theoretically by enforcing scarcity themselves. BIP100 simply provides a means for a "production target" on confirming transactions. OPEC does it, Semiconductor producers do it.
Aren't you people usually all about "supply side" economics?  Cheesy

The issue is something else:
What incentive do miners have to relay transactions with significant fees to other miners once the block reward is reduced? (see the red balloons and bitcoin paper done by Microsoft)
What incentive do I have to run a node as an end user?
What incentive is there at all to relay any transaction made by somebody else for anyone?



842. Post 12301589 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: findftp on September 01, 2015, 03:48:33 PM


If there has to be some capitulation, it already happened imho.
Don't be ridiculous, either you say there won't be any or it's much further down the road.
I can't even make it out on my laptop screen, it's one pixel of magnitude on this chart right?



843. Post 12301975 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: findftp on September 01, 2015, 07:28:51 PM
Capitulation doesn't neccesarily mean negative hashrate difference for me.
It can also mean slower growth because some miners quit while there remain some growth overall.

But anyway, there still was some red last two years.

snip

It also might be that there is now less miners, consuming less power and the improvement in mining asic efficacy made up for it. That was the case for GPUs as well, albeit to a lesser extent. One could probably graph the mining efficacy with the date of release of the product along with it to reach an estimate for the power consumption, which should be more meaningful for speculation purposes.



844. Post 12346903 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: rebuilder on September 06, 2015, 09:18:27 PM
Gentlemen - Slightly off topic but I bring you good news. NotLambChop's life will pretty much be in ruins now Grin


Due to abuse, newbie-posted embedded images are now disabled on these pages:
---SNIP---

Thread confirming this - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1172918.0

The forum (especially speculation) is now a better place.


It's been a while since I saw ANSI goatse... I expect that's about to change.

lol



845. Post 12363573 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 08, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
The dollar weakened, so assets denominated in dollars went up, all things else being equal. 

Fundamental issues as I see them:

1. Bitcoin is a poor unit of account because it is too volatile (although this is decreasing)
2. Bitcoin is a poor medium of exchange (network capacity of 7 TPS is far too low)
3. Bitcoin is a poor store of value (not enough liquidity to be an easily marketable commodity)

This seems strange considering Bitcoin's properties of being recognizable, transportable, fungible, divisible, and scarce. 

It seems to me that the most likely path to mainstream adoption would be through microtransactions, when a unit of account need not be closely correlated with store-of-value, but of course nobody wants to invest in microtransaction applications with the network capacity/block size limit uncertainty.  It's impossible to build a business model based on an unknown fee structure. 




0. Bitcoin supporters are so batshit insane that many folks simply don't want to be associated with them.



846. Post 12364381 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 08, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
The dollar weakened, so assets denominated in dollars went up, all things else being equal. 

Fundamental issues as I see them:

1. Bitcoin is a poor unit of account because it is too volatile (although this is decreasing)
2. Bitcoin is a poor medium of exchange (network capacity of 7 TPS is far too low)
3. Bitcoin is a poor store of value (not enough liquidity to be an easily marketable commodity)

This seems strange considering Bitcoin's properties of being recognizable, transportable, fungible, divisible, and scarce. 

It seems to me that the most likely path to mainstream adoption would be through microtransactions, when a unit of account need not be closely correlated with store-of-value, but of course nobody wants to invest in microtransaction applications with the network capacity/block size limit uncertainty.  It's impossible to build a business model based on an unknown fee structure. 

0. Bitcoin supporters are so batshit insane that many folks simply don't want to be associated with them.

That's not a valid reason at all. Economics is all about incentives. Given a strong enough incentive, racists will hire minorities, Sexists will hire women, Anti-semites will do business with Jews and Homophobes will provide goods and services to gays. History is littered with sane people lining up to be associated with whackjobs when they had an incentive to do so. 

" It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business." ~Michael Corleone



You've got it all in reverse, Women won't hire sexists, Jews won't hire Antisemites and Homosexuals won't hire Homophobes. Bitcoiners are the ones who want to bring on economic Armageddon, want to evade taxes, subvert the government and who hold a fundamentalist attitude.
It's the Bitcoiners that subscribe to the us versus them mentality not normal people.



847. Post 12365005 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 08, 2015, 07:18:27 PM
Do I? Women complain all the time that their bosses are sexist. Many minorities, possibly even most of them believe or suspect that their employers are racists. So why work for them? Because to them, it's better than the alternatives. It's all about the incentives, Man.  

I could argue that your characterization of bitcoiners is a straw man, but there's no point because it's irrelevant.  The price of gold isn't determined by the goldbug's whack conspiracy theories. It's determined by supply and demand. It doesn't fucking matter. The issue holding bitcoin back is scalability and network capacity.  Everything else is incidental. Branding only matters when deciding between two or more nearly identical choices. Coke or Pepsi. Visa or Mastercard.



Yeah, I think I've seen plenty of bigotry from you. You are even demonstrating that right now.

Gold is also not taking over the economy anytime soon, the difference is whackjob goldbugs aren't representative for the the people who own gold, it's mainly a cultural artefact to use it as jewelry (slightly more than half of it) the rest is industry, banks and only a small percentage of that is gold bullion.
With Bitcoin it's people like you. Yep you are representative of the Bitcoin community. Be proud.  Roll Eyes

PS: You don't have to see the stigmatization of Bitcoin as justified or even rational. You just should acknowledge that it's happening.



848. Post 12366109 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Wary on September 08, 2015, 09:44:49 PM
Because this argument surfaces here all the time, I'll down put my thoughts on how this whole scaling issue is a problem that only exists because Bitcoin, or it's community, doesn't know to have a relationship with other coins. Let's say you have a Merchant that takes Litecoins, Quark, whatever as a peer to peer cash system at their place of business. At the end of the business day, the merchant consolidates their transactions into one Bitcoin transaction. This seems to be the same scenario that is being talked about as a 'Lightning Sidechain', except Core developers aren't invoking the dirty word of 'altcoin'. In this case, Bitcoin doesn't need to fork, because it isn't trying to be a single solution to this problem, and I'm not sure BIP 100, BIP 101 or whatever will enable Bitcoin to cope with this 'Mass Adoption' scenario anyway.
BY the way, consolidating thousands transactions into one won't necessarily save space. Instead of thousand small transactions, we will have one big one, but it must contain the same amount of information (who paid to whom) and therefore will take the same amount of space on blockchain. (Well, in case of a coffeehouse, the destination will be the same, but origin will be different, so the compression will be 1:2, rather than 1:1000. So it is not the solution).

I can see no way everybody's computers (and smartphones!) can keep everybody's transactions. Not at current network/processor/memory capacity. Increasing blocksize limit won't solve this problem, it will just make it more obvious.

To resolve the scalability problem we have to distribute transaction records in such a way that every transaction stored not on all computers, but on a small part of them. For example, every block is stored on 1000 randomly chosen nodes. The rest of nodes (billions of them) keep only header of it. Such network can grow indefinitely without affecting storage capacity requirements. When bandwith/storage capacity will grow, the 1000 will become 2,000, 10,000 etc. etc.

This much is obvious, although hardliners who insist that the entire block chain must be verifiable  on every node will torpedo any attempt to make that happen,



849. Post 12385506 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 10, 2015, 08:15:40 PM

rAPe

You're slippin, Francois! Don't let it end like this!

As somebody who is too late to even get cosbycoin you are kind of cheeky.



850. Post 12399891 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: astrido67 on September 12, 2015, 12:24:54 PM

I still believe that bitcon's price will go to zero in a few years; but almost certainly not by that route...

Would you put money where your mouth is?

By keeping his money (instead "investing" it in BTCeanies or Bitcoin), that's exactly what he's doing.
So now you know Smiley

I think he meant wiring the money to a bucketshop and "shorting" Bitcoin, only to be told SFYL
But you're right.



851. Post 12402227 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: macsga on September 12, 2015, 06:02:44 PM
Truly wonder -after the latest newbie image ban on the forum- when will Theymos will implement my other proposal... In a way, I'm happy this continues. Maybe we're moving towards much better things regarding NSFW & trolling posts... Roll Eyes

I suppose you want to spend 2 hours every day reading the newbie jail...



852. Post 12413033 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

In Bitcoin everybody who doesn't agree with the party line of the greedy anacaps is labeled as doing trolling. Trolling consists of posting purposefully wrong points which one generally not subscribes to oneself. Stolfi does not do that. Posting genuinely held descending opinions despite them not being welcome is not trolling.



853. Post 12413121 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 14, 2015, 12:42:12 AM
In Bitcoin everybody who doesn't agree with the party line of the greedy anacaps is labeled as doing trolling. Trolling consists of posting purposefully wrong points which one generally not subscribes to oneself. Stolfi does not do that.

Why do you say this?
I don't consider Stolfi a troll. But I consider Lambie a troll. I have reported and terminated 40+ of his sockpuppets the last days. You can't see them now. Because they are terminated Wink
NotLambChop simply reacted to the tone in this forum, he's a troll now but it started benign.
And then many people here labeled me as a troll and still do, I even got to the top of the infamous ignore toplist.



854. Post 12413200 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 14, 2015, 12:56:42 AM
In Bitcoin everybody who doesn't agree with the party line of the greedy anacaps is labeled as doing trolling. Trolling consists of posting purposefully wrong points which one generally not subscribes to oneself. Stolfi does not do that. Posting genuinely held descending opinions despite them not being welcome is not trolling.


Your definition of trolling seems to be mostly correct, and I am of the sense that people who are providing negative arguments about bitcoin are generally welcome to the dialogue, even though there would likely be disagreement from the bitcoin bulls about their assessment of bitcoin.  Your assessment of Stolfi is NOT correct, because he frequently puts out misinformation, and frequently does NOT engage in genuine arguments..   I have NOT tallied his posts to determine whether he purposefully misinforms 10% of the time or 30% of the time; however, I find it irritating when there is any purposeful misinformation (beyond mere inadvertance) taking place.

Pointing the finger at something stupid, laughing is not trolling. It's rude from the other perspective. He's rude.
I'm rude too.

Stolfi is just very sophisticated in his rudeness. Wink



855. Post 12444994 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on September 17, 2015, 01:58:03 AM
BitPay's CFO got phished for 5000 btc in Dec of 14. Oops.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2015/09/16/atlantas-bitpay-got-hacked-for-1-8-million-in.html

owned, also lol if they do financial communication over email without cryptographic signatures.



856. Post 12452514 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

billyjoeallen: Read this or shut up:
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/current_issues/ci15-8.pdf

inb4 they are lying.



oh boy what an old hat.



857. Post 12486122 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: gentlemand on September 21, 2015, 09:03:32 PM

Looks cool. I reckon they'll sell at least 100 of them. So that's around $1.2 million a piece to pay back those VCs and then an extra $100,000 profit.

lol, but I mean it the VCs that were stupid enough to back this shit deserve everything that's coming.

Holy fucking shit it's a rasberry pi with a 3d printed case.



AhAHA my sides I can't stop.  Cheesy Cheesy



858. Post 12495624 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Andre# on September 22, 2015, 08:45:05 PM
Nobody here sees the potential of 21 Inc's platform? What Google did for making money with websites (generate revenue with ads), 21 Inc may do for making money with web-services (generate revenue with pay-per-use). I.e. 21 Inc might be the next Google. Guess what that will do for Bitcoin...   Cheesy
the forceshill is strong with this one



859. Post 12516738 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: gentlemand on September 25, 2015, 03:56:09 AM
There be strife at Bitpay towers - https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3m7rj1/did_bitpay_lay_off_most_remaining_employees_today/

Not a huge surprise.

90% of this forum is probably in denial about it.

Also let me gloat for a minute for calling Bitpays business model unsustainable way back.
itshappening.gif



860. Post 12540367 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: chmod755 on September 27, 2015, 10:57:48 PM
Someone just sold 100+ BTC on a market with low liquidity. Here's the chart.

Why would someone do this? It temporarily brought down the price by 33%.

Somebody wants to top off their paypal account and doesn't give a shit about slippage because gains are still astronomical for some people.

In case you don't know selling Bitcoins for Linden Dollars and then buying Dollars is the one true way of doing that, unless you are willing to risk total loss by some shady exchange service. Ironically the only way to get money on a Bitcoin exchange onto a paypal account without that or slippage is  to buy something with bitpay, return it and get a refund, but that only works for small amounts, since the merchant won't willingly participate in this.



861. Post 12568073 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on September 30, 2015, 08:16:49 PM

Remember when there were taxi ads for that pesky "Internet" thingie in the 90s?
Me neither.



862. Post 12625810 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Paashaas on October 07, 2015, 12:46:37 PM
73% of the so called ''Finance pro's'' think that Blockchain can thrive without Bitcoin... Roll Eyes

This is one of the most useless comment that i ever saw about Bitcoin after; ''Dont get into Bitcoin because you can buy drugs with it''

http://www.coindesk.com/73-of-finance-pros-think-the-blockchain-can-thrive-without-bitcoin/

How is that "World Wide Ledger" astroturf doing?



863. Post 12653147 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Blazin8888 on October 10, 2015, 07:05:22 PM
Here is some more info for you guys. I am sure this will positively effect the BTC price! Will only make us stronger!

www.openledger.info

COUNTDOWN:
www.bitshares.org


How? Are they using the bitcoin network in any way?



864. Post 12661240 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 11, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
Quote
Larry Summers, the former Harvard University president, isn't hiding his disdain for the Winklevoss twins -- the notorious pair who started their feud with Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg while the three were students at the school under Summers.

"One of the things you learn as a college president is that if an undergraduate is wearing a tie and jacket on Thursday afternoon at three o'clock, there are two possibilities. One is that they're looking for a job and have an interview; the other is that they're an asshole. This was the latter case, ” Summers said at the conference. "Rarely, have I encountered such unfounded swagger, and I tried to respond in kind.

Wow if your former college professor calls you an asshole you've really should be looked at by a shrink, perhaps bordeline or some other socipoathic disorder.
Those are generally the most liking people out there, I can't imagine how the average person would react.



865. Post 12661472 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on October 11, 2015, 08:00:50 PM
Quote
Larry Summers, the former Harvard University president, isn't hiding his disdain for the Winklevoss twins -- the notorious pair who started their feud with Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg while the three were students at the school under Summers.

"One of the things you learn as a college president is that if an undergraduate is wearing a tie and jacket on Thursday afternoon at three o'clock, there are two possibilities. One is that they're looking for a job and have an interview; the other is that they're an asshole. This was the latter case, ” Summers said at the conference. "Rarely, have I encountered such unfounded swagger, and I tried to respond in kind.

Wow if your former college professor calls you an asshole you've really should be looked at by a shrink, perhaps bordeline or some other socipoathic disorder.
Those are generally the most liking people out there, I can't imagine how the average person would react.

Regardless of whether the description fits the bill, Larry Summers sounds a bit like an unprofessional asshole as well. He was in charge of Rich Spoiled Brats Uni, of course there's a lot of assholes in those corridors. The smell of manure alone probably entitles them to some kind of farm subsidy. Is he keeping track of all of the asswipes there, or only the ones that can put him on telly?

Nah, being spoiled or having prestige doesn't make you an asshole on it's own, if so the world would be far worse off than it is.
But I'm not that of a pessimist.



866. Post 12695510 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Elwar on October 15, 2015, 07:41:06 AM
Since Gemini is clearly leading this price increase, do you think the Twins are pumping this? I mean a million dollars is pocket change to them, maybe the are just buying it in small amounts each day and driving the price up. Considering how much they already hold in bitcoin it would basically be paying for itself in the long run.

The run up from $10 to $266 contained a lot of jumps due to a few rich people buying large amounts of bitcoins. Friends of the twins might have some confidence in going through their exchange.

They have friends?



867. Post 12709996 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 17, 2015, 04:17:29 AM
To answer your question, I buy gamestop gift cards that I use to buy shell gift cards that I use to buy gas.
I thought you might, currency of the future everyone!



868. Post 12730540 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Richy_T on October 19, 2015, 05:14:59 PM

Sources? lel. Roll Eyes



I'm sure they weren't just knocked up to be dropped in the wall observer thread. It does look like fairly wild speculation but I'd like to read more.

It's from a wishful thinking "hypothetical", in small text article from the XT cult.



869. Post 12766670 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: oda.krell on October 23, 2015, 05:31:14 PM
story time

Just stumbled over a private tracker site that I thought about signing up for. Polish, pretty active by the looks of it. They ask for a 0.01 BTC sign up contribution. Not overly greedy, which I liked. Made me grin as well. Just like that, some millennials over in Poland, asking me "Want to sign up? Send us a small amount of BTC, it's hassle free and doesn't get blocked."

I don't really care much whether the ETF starts trading this year or not, or if the sound money zealots will have their field day anytime soon. As long as a bunch of kids likely around half my age at the other end of the EU use the Blockchain as an overengineered tipping jar, I'm happy for now.

No sarcasm or bitterness in that last line. Some humbleness maybe, compared to the thoughts I had on the matter two years ago, but only the most cynical of assholes will conflate these two.

/story time

Well, as a representative of the pointing and laughing crowd I can tell you that this story and what it portrays totally makes sense even to me.
I'd even say that I totally support bitcoin for that kind of usage, still.



870. Post 12852057 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on November 01, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
So, Mr. Lee, was YOUR volume inflated before the Dec/2013 decree? Why did OKCoin's "wash trades" stop when their bank account was closed?  Was YOUR volume 80% fake between Sep/2014 and Apr/2015?  Grin Tongue


I wouldn't be surprised if pretty much everything coming from any Bitcoin exchange ticker is manipulated by the operators and I think short of raiding the servers of these "companies" there is nothing that can be used as concrete indicator for either possibility.



871. Post 12874687 (copy this link) (by ElectricMucus) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: spooderman on November 03, 2015, 09:27:57 PM
2 years of build up.

anyone else euphoric right now?

Yeah, the anticipation is killing me.