All posts made by Fatman3001 in Bitcointalk.org's Wall Observer thread



1. Post 9405496 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Can anyone give me a likely scenario that would send the price up, or at least stabilize it so that XBT could work as a currency?

Remittance doesnīt make sense because you are likely to loose less by using Western Union or bank transfer.

Paypal using XBT sent the price down!?!
Argentina and Ukraine using XBT sent the price down!?!
Just about every piece of good news in 2014 has sent the price down. What can change that?



2. Post 9405554 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on November 01, 2014, 05:27:50 PM
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The mother of all pumps can change that, nothing less.

But a pump has to come for somewhere, or are we waiting for the Messiah of the "More money than brains club"?



3. Post 9405663 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on November 01, 2014, 05:34:06 PM
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The mother of all pumps can change that, nothing less.

But a pump has to come for somewhere, or are we waiting for the Messiah of the "More money than brains club"?

Messiah? When/if the big market makers decide for a long-term pump we'll get one.

But why would they decide to spend money on a long-term pump when they have the shorting bonanza of legends right now for free?

On the other hand, with all the VC money flowing into bitcoin why donīt any of these entrepreneurs do anything to stabilize the price of bitcoin? They sort of depend on bitcoin being an attractive proposition.



4. Post 9405875 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on November 01, 2014, 05:52:26 PM
But why would they decide to spend money on a long-term pump when they have the shorting bonanza of legends right now for free?

On the other hand, with all the VC money flowing into bitcoin why donīt any of these entrepreneurs do anything to stabilize the price of bitcoin? They sort of depend on bitcoin being an attractive proposition.

Just look at the pump from 300- to 400+, why they did that? Profit. You may think they are net buying during a pump but that is seldom the case. Regarding venture capitalists, most of them are rich kids that will lose all the money their dad has hard-earned during a lifetime. Some of them get lucky, once in a while, but that is all. Do not count on them stabilizing the price.

And now we are back to ≈$300 and peering into the abyss. What could result in bitcoin not plummeting every time it climbs a bit? I understand speculators manipulate the market quite fiercely, but a pump without some new influence on the fundamentals would have to be a bubble, even if itīs from $10 to $100. What would make anyone here honestly believe we were heading up?

Edit: slight typo "where" to "were"



5. Post 9406618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: redsn0w on November 01, 2014, 06:10:59 PM
But why would they decide to spend money on a long-term pump when they have the shorting bonanza of legends right now for free?

On the other hand, with all the VC money flowing into bitcoin why donīt any of these entrepreneurs do anything to stabilize the price of bitcoin? They sort of depend on bitcoin being an attractive proposition.

Just look at the pump from 300- to 400+, why they did that? Profit. You may think they are net buying during a pump but that is seldom the case. Regarding venture capitalists, most of them are rich kids that will lose all the money their dad has hard-earned during a lifetime. Some of them get lucky, once in a while, but that is all. Do not count on them stabilizing the price.

And now we are back to ≈$300 and peering into the abyss. What could result in bitcoin not plummeting every time it climbs a bit? I understand speculators manipulate the market quite fiercely, but a pump without some new influence on the fundamentals would have to be a bubble, even if itīs from $10 to $100. What would make anyone here honestly believe we where heading up?

We need some news , good news .  Paypal is one of them Wink .

But Paypal is here, it didnīt help. I thought it would. But it didnīt. Thatīs what makes me worried. If it behaved like a share it should have gone consistently up after such an announcement. If it behaved like a currency it certainly shouldnīt plummit like it does now. If someone wanted to make money it would surely be worthwhile to pump that news to heaven and back, but it just plummited. I would imagine an adoption wave would make XBT prices rise, but who would adopt a digital currency that halves in value in a matter of days. This is not a rhetorical question, I want to know!



6. Post 9422444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 03, 2014, 10:55:55 AM

with so many good news... i dare you dumper... i dare you bahahahahaha


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Elliot Insurance Brokers announced that it will now allow clients to pay for their insurance and other financial products through Bitcoin.

Good news is poison to Bitcoin.



7. Post 9423200 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 03, 2014, 12:59:24 PM

with so many good news... i dare you dumper... i dare you bahahahahaha


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Elliot Insurance Brokers announced that it will now allow clients to pay for their insurance and other financial products through Bitcoin.

Good news is poison to Bitcoin.

rubbish

Good news causes movement. Lately (2014) that movement has been down. There are more traders who want to short the heck out of Bitcoin than people with deep pockets who believe in Bitcoin enough to put their money where their mouth is.



8. Post 9423541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.28h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 03, 2014, 02:04:00 PM

with so many good news... i dare you dumper... i dare you bahahahahaha


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Elliot Insurance Brokers announced that it will now allow clients to pay for their insurance and other financial products through Bitcoin.

Good news is poison to Bitcoin.

rubbish

Good news causes movement. Lately (2014) that movement has been down. There are more traders who want to short the heck out of Bitcoin than people with deep pockets who believe in Bitcoin enough to put their money where their mouth is.


will that trend continue ?

Why would it? Rich people are rich because they have made more good investments than bad, so why would a majority of them choose to buy a depreciating asset with no other use case than speculation?

It cannot be reliably used as a currency. What other currency at the moment tends to drop 30% every time there is a day in a month? Russia? Itīs illegal there.

Even Zimbabwe and Argentina look like safe havens compared to Bitcoin.

Store of value? Pfffff.... Bitcoin lost half its value since July, If that happened with any conventional store of value people with ak47s would take over the country(whichever country you live in).

If the price could stay still for 3-6months, or consistently climb slowly, Bitcoin could get swept up by the recent interest in mobile phone payment systems like those presented by PayPal and Apple, but that looks unlikely.

I donīt want this to be the case but all I see in this and other threads is either pictures of bears on railway tracks or astronauts drinking beer on the moon. Any reasonably convincing argument is hard to find.



9. Post 9425528 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

I understand that this is a wall observer thread but does anyone have anything else than (fake) ask/bid depth and useless TA to help predict price movement?

(Please donīt say monkey)



10. Post 9426285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

Quote from: octaft on November 03, 2014, 06:31:44 PM

Rich people are rich because they have made more good investments than bad, so why would a majority of them choose to buy a depreciating asset with no other use case than speculation?


This is not necessarily true. You could inherit money, you could make 100 bad investments and get incredibly lucky with one amazing investment, you could have busted your ass running your own business until it became a huge success (I guess you could consider that an investment in a sense, but again, one good investment), etc., etc.

The point is, there are a lot of ways to get rich, not all of them have to do with investing, and not all rich people who invest are good at investing.

Rich people can do dumb things, and get caught up in the emotion of excitement and greed, just like anyone else. Whether investing is bitcoin is one of those dumb things has yet to be seen, but it's not a guarantee that bitcoin will skyrocket again simply because rich people are investing.

Of course there are exeptions but I think on average my statement is true, which again begs the question: "why would a majority of them choose to buy a depreciating asset with no other use case than speculation?"

That question is important, because if it canīt be satisfactorily answered it kind of looks like we are all waiting for the richest 1% of the global population to have a stroke simultaneously, and that might be unlikely.




11. Post 9426414 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

Quote from: octaft on November 03, 2014, 06:45:21 PM

Of course there are exeptions but I think on average my statement is true, which again begs the question: "why would a majority of them choose to buy a depreciating asset with no other use case than speculation?"

That question is important, because if it canīt be satisfactorily answered it kind of looks like we are all waiting for the richest 1% of the global population to have a stroke simultaneously, and that might be unlikely.

Rich people can do dumb things, and get caught up in the emotion of excitement and greed, just like anyone else.





12. Post 9427168 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

Quote from: octaft on November 03, 2014, 07:21:15 PM

Of course there are exeptions but I think on average my statement is true, which again begs the question: "why would a majority of them choose to buy a depreciating asset with no other use case than speculation?"

That question is important, because if it canīt be satisfactorily answered it kind of looks like we are all waiting for the richest 1% of the global population to have a stroke simultaneously, and that might be unlikely.

Rich people can do dumb things, and get caught up in the emotion of excitement and greed, just like anyone else.



Because a majority of those rich people investing in bitcoin are caught up in the emotion of excitement and greed, just like many others.

It's a cash grab for most investors. They don't care about the technology or the ideology regarding bitcoin. They just want to hopefully line their pockets some more on the backs of greater fools.



So the future of Bitcoin IS reliant on rich people being near-brain-damage-daft or have a simultaneous stroke. Nice to know.



13. Post 9427430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

Quote from: octaft on November 03, 2014, 08:25:35 PM
So the future of Bitcoin IS reliant on rich people being near-brain-damage-daft or have a simultaneous stroke. Nice to know.

Well if you define the future as "super high prices," it's most likely going to involve a lot of suckers, sure. Whether they're a handful of rich suckers or a truckload of middle-class suckers doesn't make much difference.

If XBT is going to work as a currency or a store of value then it needs to be able to handle multiple daily near instant XBT/fiat conversions on the order of at least $10 million without the price fluctuating wildly (more than 0.5%). For that to happen you need high XBT prices and high volume. Of course you could say that the destiny for XBT is to enable kids to buy apps and ring tones to their phones without their mums VISA, but that is hardly what Bitcoin was supposed to be.



14. Post 9427504 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.29h):

Quote from: NewLiberty on November 03, 2014, 08:49:59 PM
I think it is sad that the poll uses "Halloween" to mark the day rather than "THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE SATOSHI WHITEPAPER"

That makes sense. Trick or treat!



15. Post 9534084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

There is nothing failed about this rally thus far. We are still $50 up from a couple days ago and the price has rebounded after every dump today. I still see plenty of buying pressure. The only worry is if the shorters manage to dump it to the ground before new fiat reaches the exchanges. There is good reason to believe that they might when you look at the last months, but if sentiment has turned I donīt think most shorters would mind making a buck on the way up as well.



16. Post 9534202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 13, 2014, 05:52:09 PM
There is nothing failed about this rally thus far...

So n00b.  So fresh.  So innocent.  Surely the bears won't surprise buttsecs him?

Wait and see, let them dump it out of their system.

BTW, if you want to offend me please find something more colourful than n00b. I can think of something for you as I am scratching one right now.



17. Post 9534298 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 13, 2014, 06:04:22 PM
There is nothing failed about this rally thus far...

So n00b.  So fresh.  So innocent.  Surely the bears won't surprise buttsecs him?

Wait and see, let them dump it out of their system.

BTW, if you want to offend me please find something more colourful than n00b. I can think of something for you as I am scratching one right now.

just put him on ignore like every other person on the forum has.

I'm a permabull desperate for cheap coins. I suspect he is a very good troll and that this works sometimes. Nothing else makes sense

Expecting other people to make sense is the most common mistake made by people of intelligence.



18. Post 9534725 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: riiiiising on November 13, 2014, 06:45:15 PM
Some of you guys will never learn. When the price rises 10% over a couple days, you need to ask yourselves, "has anything happened to justify this increase?" If the answer is no, then it's a pump and dump. Every previous rally was triggered by some type of event or sentiment. Chinese exchanges opening, the US government softening its position, or major retail adoption. But none of those matter anymore.

What's happening now that could possibility rally people to buy bitcoin? Increased competition from Apple Pay? More regulations incoming? So... basically nothing.

The market has got confirmation on the floor created by the bearwhale. Thatīs what happened.



19. Post 9534812 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 13, 2014, 06:51:25 PM
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The market has got confirmation on the floor created by the bearwhale. Thatīs what happened.

Such charming naivete...  Here's what is happening:

[deleted polar bear image]


Beyond the personal attacks and cute pictures, what are you trying to say?



20. Post 9534986 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 13, 2014, 06:59:34 PM
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The market has got confirmation on the floor created by the bearwhale. Thatīs what happened.

Such charming naivete...  Here's what is happening:

[deleted polar bear image]


Beyond the personal attacks and cute pictures, what are you trying to say?

I'm using terms that should be accessible to a four-year-old.  What is it that you'd like me to clarify, my new intrepid investor friend?  

There are no investors in this thread. Beyond it residing in the "Speculation" part of the forum I would add that there are no investors in Bitcoin. Name one safe investment in all of Bitcoin-land?



21. Post 9535089 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 13, 2014, 07:13:14 PM

"INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'SPECULATOR'
Speculators are typically sophisticated, risk-taking investors..."

If that definition makes you feel better then the best of luck to you...



22. Post 9535407 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 13, 2014, 07:49:04 PM

"INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'SPECULATOR'
Speculators are typically sophisticated, risk-taking investors..."

If that definition makes you feel better then the best of luck to you...

Why is it that the ignorant poor are so averse to learning?
Why do you get so angry when your betters, out of the kindness of their hearts, stoop down to correct you in hopes of imparting some learnings?  Hmm?

[Another bear picture]

*Dang, fell already Sad

Not being able to tell if you are a speculator or an investor has led quite a few people to bbqing rats over the fire of a garbage can while muttering to themselves "what the he@@ happened?" while simultaneously humming to the tune "Money, money, money" by ABBA.



23. Post 9535477 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: Wary on November 13, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
Was anybody expecting the drop from 450 to 380?

I think everyone in this thread was prepared for it at least.



24. Post 9535562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: hivertodd on November 13, 2014, 08:08:25 PM
Was anybody expecting the drop from 450 to 380?

This is just another short life dead cat bounce, wake up from your moon dream
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856400

We are $10 lower than one month ago
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855497

My posts all turned out to be true, again..

But were you clever enough to make money from it?



25. Post 9535633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 13, 2014, 08:12:17 PM

"INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'SPECULATOR'
Speculators are typically sophisticated, risk-taking investors..."

If that definition makes you feel better then the best of luck to you...

Why is it that the ignorant poor are so averse to learning?
Why do you get so angry when your betters, out of the kindness of their hearts, stoop down to correct you in hopes of imparting some learnings?  Hmm?

[Another bear picture]

*Dang, fell already Sad

Not being able to tell if you are a speculator or an investor has led quite a few people to bbqing rats over the fire of a garbage can while muttering to themselves "what the he@@ happened?" while simultaneously humming to the tune "Money, money, money" by ABBA.

I realize teh tanking Bitcoin price may be trying on you young finance hobbyists, but buck up, Bucko!  No reason to get all unglued.  Caring people and powerful modern psychopharmaceuticals are ready to help.

[Another "funny" image]

Huh

The price is up by $90 since the beginning of November.




26. Post 9540711 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on November 14, 2014, 10:43:20 AM
The price has been recently taking massive swings. It has gone from 320 to over 400, and back down, 2 times. I am not sure what to understand from it.

It has one reason. Something which is new to Bitcoin since this year: Dumpers who do everything in their power to take the price down. Every single time.
We're gonna have a real hard time going up again.
I just don't understand what caused this behaviour. They just refuse to let the price go up. 

It's absolutely crazy.

If Bitcoin is going to reach its economic potential it needs to be resistant to these manipulation attempts. In that sense the problem lies more with the immaturity of Bitcoin rather than that the world is filled with donkey holes. I am sort of surprised though at the lack of help from "early" early adopter evangelists to stabilize the currency.



27. Post 9541375 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.31h):

Quote from: macsga on November 14, 2014, 07:42:09 AM
Willy2.0 was beaten down by the nervous miners who don't want to ride this train any longer.
But I still think that the next couple of weeks could be interesting for those who trade. I think that BTC can go to 800$ tops, because the amount of coins held by miners, who have worked with a loss and accumulated a very large pile over these months. I highly doubt that there will be a strong enough buying interest to push through this heavy pile. My prediction is that BTC will experience an avalanche like never seen before in the near future, when the market realizes that it can't sustain the heavy cost of mining.
Anyway, I'm glad that someone tried to stimulate the market, because it made trading BTC fun again. In the longer timeframe, my aim is to accumulate PPC instead.

What great humor that can be provide through this thread............ PPC... good luck with that..  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

PPC, woah, those were the times... Grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_970

PPC will get you to The Moon and Beyond for sure!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAD750



28. Post 9553547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.32h):

Quote from: podyx on November 15, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
I fail to see how $370 is not a great price right now

Sure, we were at $360 2 days ago but we've had retracements before we got there and it really looks like we are entering a bull market right now.

Why is nobody buying Huh

They bought up to $370, then we took a stroll down "manipulation alley" and now people are wondering where the price ought to be. If they think it should have risen a bit since the start of the "rally" the price will push up to $390-$400 and slowly climb from there. If the roller coaster scared off enough people we will see stagnation/decline. These kinds of price movements are not very helpful with regards to Bitcoin adoption so whatever happens will probably still be speculator driven. What I want to see is an adoption wave but there are obviously people out there who have no interest in this happening.



29. Post 9554344 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.32h):

Quote from: Phillis on November 15, 2014, 07:32:09 PM
get those shorts ready, down we go.

Good Luck! It will be interesting to see if you can get it much beyond $360-$370.



30. Post 9554408 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.32h):

Quote from: wmr42393 on November 15, 2014, 07:54:47 PM
get those shorts ready, down we go.

Good Luck! It will be interesting to see if you can get it much beyond $360-$370.

If that,

shorting here is suicide.

I agree, even though there has been quite a bit of manipulation the last couple of days it seems to me that XBT is heading up and a fair price right now is between $370 and $390 until the dust settles.



31. Post 9554594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.32h):

Quote from: indiemax on November 15, 2014, 08:12:43 PM
get those shorts ready, down we go.

!?I am itching to go long?! (not 2222:1, no, just 2:1, may be Tongue)
4h MACD should reach an inflection point soon (or else...) and 4h StochRSI have been below the floor for 12 hours. So, it should bounce up in <12h (or else... "end of the world" dump, I guess, down to 320-ish in a spike -> but who would possibly want that...?).

Plenty,if all those so called funds,ETF etc are looking to get going

they are wanting as low a price to start from

manipulation is rife and I hope you can see it



I hope/assume most of these funds are not run by i*iots. There is no reason XBT should have any value if it has no utility. And if it carries value as poorly as it does through these dumping routines then it will struggle to make anyone any money soon. All this infrastructure thatīs been sprawling up from nowhere the last couple of years will go bust, more regulated alternatives will take the lead, and Bitcoin will see a far worse fate than death. It will become..... bam, pam, paaaaaa!!.....an ALTCOIN!!!!



32. Post 9554626 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.32h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 15, 2014, 08:14:34 PM
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shorting here is suicide.

I agree...

Never felt better Smiley



You are just happy because you know I read your posts.



33. Post 9555003 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.32h):

Quote from: Winner on November 15, 2014, 09:07:01 PM

o rly


I see 200 incoming

Hope you donīt see it from that image, ChartBuddy has been a bit under the weather lately.



34. Post 9555169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.32h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on November 15, 2014, 09:19:17 PM

Not sure if people are joking... The plots may seem broken at first sight, but they are a consequence of large changes in the order book, at some distance from the spread.  Months ago, the changes were usually small and usually close to the spread, so the plot usually looked like a fairly smooth valley.

ChartBuddy has been stuck on the same image since page 9957.



35. Post 9601354 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.33h):

Quote from: herzmeister on November 20, 2014, 11:58:28 AM
This is Germany.

I'm German and what are you referring to?

"Der Untergang"



36. Post 9611612 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.33h):

Quote from: DeadCoin on November 21, 2014, 11:05:32 AM
Fuck...since January, anytime i buy the price goes down...i am hodling for over 18 months now, i hope the patience will be rewarded for us all

So you're hoping new suckers join, so you can profit at their expense?

No, i don't plan to sell BTC, just hold it few more years and then spend by shops where they do the same as me only...What you are talking about - ponzi scheme - central bank or somebody important released new report few days ago, that BTC is not ponzi scheme...And if BTC will succeed, there will be no suckers, only the ones who will sell at loss...And to be honest, i don't care about people investing more than they can afford to lose and then sell with loss even when in the big picture the bitcoin is in huge uptrend since 2009...if they don't have faith or want to get rich quick, they should not invest in BTC

Even if you intend to spend them, you hope their purchasing power will be greater than fiat's you invested in it. So, then again, you hope newcomers will increase your purchasing power (=you profit at their expense)

The hope is that a sufficient number of people should find sufficient utility in Bitcoin to be willing to pay considerably more than XBT is worth today. They will not be suckers, and the profit to the hodlers comes from thinking ahead. If this fails the only suckers are the hodlers themselves, if it succeeds everyone is a winner. In any event, anyone buying Bitcoin needs to be aware of the risks involved and manage their positions accordingly.



37. Post 9623478 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on November 22, 2014, 05:59:14 PM
I have a feeling that support from a company or one move from a state will change the game.
ETF, Changetip mass adoption, Paypal , i have no clue what will ignite the next growth stage...

In 2014 the network strengthened itself a lot, the number of bitcoin startups is climbing every day, if this is not a growing technology what is. But it takes time, and this year did not break bitcoin as a medium of exchange and payment system. But it was a bad year as a speculative investment if you just bought in.

So yeah, i'm pretty confused about the trend right now, but bottom might have been found. What else can you expect after a year of gradual decline? A new high in a matter of weeks? I would prefer a stable period of growth. More and more people get the bitcoin bug each day.

We had several upwards trends but they were quickly killed by the traders who were desperate to take 50 bucks profit.
This will happen for many more times to come. Possibly till there simply are no buyers anymore.

Every time there are new buyers traders will dump straight in their face and scare them away.

That's how you stop adoption. Traders are Bitcoin's cancer. Slowly killing it.

I realize it's futile to argue with artificial intelligence but I feel compelled.

Dumpers, pumpers, buyers, sellers... all traders are part of price discovery.

The lack of consensus on price can only be solved through markets, market participants, and market makers.

We are witnessing a free market price discovery phase.

The true price cannot be known without this process.

Deal with it.



Bitcoin wasn't made for trading. It was made to be used as a currency. People buying coins to use them.
The price discovery through traders is bullshit.

I am no fan of pump and dump, but if Bitcoin is supposed to be a free global digital currency it sort of have to deal with it. If it canīt stand the heat then it is no good in the long run.



38. Post 9625245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: macsga on November 22, 2014, 09:06:14 PM
bladiladila bla bla

Third: I find this utterly unethical and I will hunt your ass as much as I can; and I will certainly love it all the way down.


I am really really sorry Macsga, but I canīt get this image out of my head.



39. Post 9625325 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: macsga on November 22, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
bladiladila bla bla

Third: I find this utterly unethical and I will hunt your ass as much as I can; and I will certainly love it all the way down.


I am really really sorry Macsga, but I canīt get this image out of my head.
Regardless of my age, I'm a pretty good shooter Wink  Grin Grin Grin
Grin Grin Grin



40. Post 9625485 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: macsga on November 22, 2014, 10:26:27 PM
... I'm a pretty good shooter Wink  Grin Grin Grin

That some oldster slang you picked up from that other chickenhawk, JimboToronto, the one that's strung out on erectile dysfunction pills?

You can only dream how good I am ...

Eww, grampa!  Just eww.

You like it son? You like it?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

Yah, grampa, I guess...  A little gross, a little creepy, but definitely kek.



Lambchop, you're not the one that shitted the bed are you? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Donīt be too hard on him, itīs tough to be a пидop in Russia nowadays.



41. Post 9625571 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 22, 2014, 10:33:35 PM
Back on topic:  Did we ever have a poll where we hit the highest, and not the lowest price?



Haha! That is the first time Iīve seen brokeback lambchop want to get back on topic!



42. Post 9625867 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: ParabellumLite on November 22, 2014, 11:26:35 PM
Fucking bears. I hate losing money stop fucking selling!

Then get out you poor stereotype of a hodler. Your kind is characterized by simply ignoring news, not about panicking.

But then he will have to change his nick



43. Post 9626035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 22, 2014, 11:53:43 PM
...
You're either getting tired (it's past 03:00am in Russia now) or you're just repeating yourself expecting to continue? Go to bed old lady. Get your meds.

Russia?  Old lady?  Bed?  Lol, this is just startin' to get good!



After all this you depict yourself as a fairy? Gutsy!



44. Post 9626092 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: shmadz on November 23, 2014, 12:04:40 AM
If you could all hodl the price below 350 until payday at the end of the month, that'd be great.



Donīt you dare!! $850 please!



45. Post 9630185 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Fatman was here



46. Post 9630239 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: Eal F. Skillz on November 23, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Post dumpers are too late. We already reached 10k.

And the price has pushed through 360 on stamp


Edit: CCMF?



47. Post 9630260 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: galdur on November 23, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
This time it wonīt drop back to 355.

no....of....course.........not?



48. Post 9630299 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: galdur on November 23, 2014, 02:43:37 PM
This time it wonīt drop back to 355.

no....of....course.........not?

Take a pill or something.

I already took 2 vitamin D tablets, I donīt think I can contain myself if I go any further



49. Post 9630317 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

I must admit, deleting posts now is some premium trolling. No use putting them on ignore.



50. Post 9630399 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

FATMAN WAS HERE!!! NOW, STAY AT 10K!!!!



51. Post 9630440 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

THIS IS SPARTA!!!

or whichever part of greece macsga comes from



52. Post 9630495 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Fatman.... was here?



53. Post 9630530 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: 8up on November 23, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
I give up. Emotions got me! :(Posting high deleting low. This thread is died. Never will rise again. Very resistance. Much down. Will sell all my posts.

I am desperate. What should I do? Any recommendation appreciated.

Keep posting stuff with relevant content so the moderators donīt push us below 10k when they see this carnage



54. Post 9630569 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

THIS IS .......sparta?

Edit:nope



55. Post 9630599 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

I fear we are being trolled by the moderators, they must be ROFL



56. Post 9631868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

This is like that movie Groundhog Day



57. Post 9632133 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 23, 2014, 05:13:51 PM
This is like that movie Groundhog Day

This is like that movie Groundhog Day


This is like that movie Groundhog Day



58. Post 9634637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Does anyone care that we have climbed $20 thus far today?



59. Post 9634967 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: ShroomsKit on November 23, 2014, 10:59:17 PM
Does anyone care that we have climbed $20 thus far today?

Why would you care? The same thing as the previous 50 times will happen. A dump. Taking us back to where we were before or lower.

I am confused. If you don't think that is something to care about why do you follow this thread?



60. Post 9635164 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: nioc on November 23, 2014, 11:38:06 PM
We need a new poll, When will the page count be 10K?

Please include the answers
x) already there
x) never

who cares, it was fun 10 hours ago, now I don't give a flying fudge.



61. Post 9635472 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

The original 10k is now 9970

It's The Blitz all over again



62. Post 9635659 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 24, 2014, 12:48:27 AM
price is not moving until after the auction

Very probable

Someone should tell the price, weīre up over 5% today



63. Post 9635718 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: brg444 on November 24, 2014, 12:53:10 AM
price is not moving until after the auction

Very probable

Someone should tell the price, weīre up over 5% today

impressing.

Yes it is



64. Post 9635902 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: David M on November 24, 2014, 01:33:24 AM
I am not Satoshi.

I know a guy who owns a Suzuki



65. Post 9635920 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Ok, Ill take the plunge

THIS IS GENTLEMEN!!!



66. Post 9635955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

I have a screenshot now of myself as the first poster on 10k, no one can take that away from me.



67. Post 9635993 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 24, 2014, 01:43:57 AM
So nobody was right in the poll.

It didn't reach 375 but it wasn't <370.

We have been on page 10k for 12 hours now..   the price will be > $400 at some point on 10k Cheesy

Ahhhh!!! Thatīs why they do it! If you canīt win, cheat!



68. Post 9636771 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.34h):

I thought I saw a wall.... I did! I did see a wall!



69. Post 9643072 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

I donīt know if anyone here cares, but pool distribution looks a lot healthier now than it did a month ago.


https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs



70. Post 9643889 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: YogoH on November 24, 2014, 07:27:44 PM
I donīt know if anyone here cares, but pool distribution looks a lot healthier now than it did a month ago.


https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs



Unless "unknown" is actually just ghash or dicussfish to hide their true hashing power?

"unknown" has declined too. Itīs all the smaller pools that have grown.



71. Post 9645069 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: coinmaster222 on November 24, 2014, 10:14:16 PM
To be honest hope it falls to $50 then I can buy 20 for a Grand,just mine them save them and in a year check the price.

If it falls to $50 it will not stop just because you bought in. But if you buy in now you might come along for the ride up to $850, $1400, $3500.



72. Post 9645196 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):


Maybe I have misunderstood NotLambchop. It is in the name! He has nothing to do with lambs.

   Horse + X = Hinny

He is X!




73. Post 9654792 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 25, 2014, 02:40:50 PM

crazy to repatriate gold? lmao lampchop i know you are a troll but you cant possibly question what would be the common sens in such financially troubled times... especially when the rest of the world is doing so. US first. Roll Eyes

I don't question the sanity of the Le Pen clan, I'm straight-up telling you they're sick fucks.  The father, the daughter, and the National Front.  Unholy frickin' trinity.

Careful Lambchops, you are starting to make some sense. We donīt know how to treat you now.



74. Post 9654835 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 25, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Great to see the thread default attitude towards women remains the same*



*let's not have another debate about whether women exist on the internet, we're here...deal with it.



Please explain how it's sexist.  Because after growing up with a feminist mother and sister, I still don't get it.  It may be in questionable taste to some people, but really is it sexist.  Is it really true, that by posting the photo, and making a comment about her body really sexist?  Does it show a disrespect towards women...?   Personally I don't think it does.

Would it be homophobic, to post a photo of an attractive gay guy?  







Wether it fits your idea of sexist is almost beside the point. It creates an atmosphere that is less than inviting to women and where they feel  left out. If %70 of the posts where pics of bulges and gifs of flapping penises I know I would feel quite left out.

PS. This is my opinion on the matter. Howeve, Iīm not very good at being a feminist so you might catch me saying something stupid in other posts.



75. Post 9655151 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: empowering on November 25, 2014, 09:20:22 PM
maybe people would feel better if we used this rather delightful photograph of a ducks arse to represent bottoms from now on? hmmm?  Grin



Probably, unless youīre following this thread without pants.



76. Post 9657067 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 25, 2014, 09:45:29 PM
Great to see the thread default attitude towards women remains the same*



*let's not have another debate about whether women exist on the internet, we're here...deal with it.

Please explain how it's sexist.  Because after growing up with a feminist mother and sister, I still don't get it.  It may be in questionable taste to some people, but really is it sexist.  Is it really true, that by posting the photo, and making a comment about her body really sexist?  Does it show a disrespect towards women...?   Personally I don't think it does.

Would it be homophobic, to post a photo of an attractive gay guy?  


Wether it fits your idea of sexist is almost beside the point. It creates an atmosphere that is less than inviting to women and where they feel  left out. If %70 of the posts where pics of bulges and gifs of flapping penises I know I would feel quite left out.

PS. This is my opinion on the matter. Howeve, Iīm not very good at being a feminist so you might catch me saying something stupid in other posts.

do you think it's fair to repress male behavior?  Do you think young people running in the streets is unfair to old people with walking sticks? Do you think a homogenised society is the path to Utopia?

If so, go back to your logans run society, and please don't use the keyboard anymore... because it's hardly inviting to those without fingers.   You fucking finger Nazi !!!  


You can probably be as manly as you dream of without being a donkeyhole. By cultivating work related spaces where women feel unwelcome we contribute to shaping societies where up to 50% of the greatest talents never find their rightful place as professionals simply because they are women. They are regularly being bypassed for positions by far less competent men because the guy is one of the boss's drinking buddies after work. Beyond it being unfair, it is detrimental to GDP growth and efficiency in the economy in general.



77. Post 9657768 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 26, 2014, 02:10:21 AM
Great to see the thread default attitude towards women remains the same*



*let's not have another debate about whether women exist on the internet, we're here...deal with it.

Please explain how it's sexist.  Because after growing up with a feminist mother and sister, I still don't get it.  It may be in questionable taste to some people, but really is it sexist.  Is it really true, that by posting the photo, and making a comment about her body really sexist?  Does it show a disrespect towards women...?   Personally I don't think it does.

Would it be homophobic, to post a photo of an attractive gay guy?  


Wether it fits your idea of sexist is almost beside the point. It creates an atmosphere that is less than inviting to women and where they feel  left out. If %70 of the posts where pics of bulges and gifs of flapping penises I know I would feel quite left out.

PS. This is my opinion on the matter. Howeve, Iīm not very good at being a feminist so you might catch me saying something stupid in other posts.

do you think it's fair to repress male behavior?  Do you think young people running in the streets is unfair to old people with walking sticks? Do you think a homogenised society is the path to Utopia?

If so, go back to your logans run society, and please don't use the keyboard anymore... because it's hardly inviting to those without fingers.   You fucking finger Nazi !!!  


You can probably be as manly as you dream of without being a donkeyhole. By cultivating work related spaces where women feel unwelcome we contribute to shaping societies where up to 50% of the greatest talents never find their rightful place as professionals simply because they are women. They are regularly being bypassed for positions by far less competent men because the guy is one of the boss's drinking buddies after work. Beyond it being unfair, it is detrimental to GDP growth and efficiency in the economy in general.

Are you serious? I have heard all about the glass ceiling from my mother and sister for decades.  I understand the point that discrimination happens to women. You also must understand discrimination happens to almost every person at some point in their lives;  Educated, uneducated, old, young, black, white, gay, straight, short, tall, fat, thin, male and female.  

Also, this is not a work related space...  it's a PUBLIC FORUM.  

I'm asking why is it sexist, to post a picture of an attractive woman?  Calling a man sexist for looking at a photo of an attractive woman, and or making a comment that she is attractive, is not sexist.  To try and repress that male behavior is sexist.

So please, get down off your high horse and deal with the fact that if a woman wants to pose in a bikini and be photographed, that's her choice, and if a man wants to look at the photo that's his choice, neither event is your choice, in this instance.


I see you understand. Thankfully you understand all too well that the main point of all of this is that by suggesting a more civil tone towards any potential woman who may frequent this forum, it is you who are the victim. I just hope every woman who reads our little discussion understands that they should either post pictures of themselves in bikinis in the forum or pretend to be a guy, so that your fragile manhood stays intact.



78. Post 9661085 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 26, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
Great to see the thread default attitude towards women remains the same*



*let's not have another debate about whether women exist on the internet, we're here...deal with it.

Please explain how it's sexist.  Because after growing up with a feminist mother and sister, I still don't get it.  It may be in questionable taste to some people, but really is it sexist.  Is it really true, that by posting the photo, and making a comment about her body really sexist?  Does it show a disrespect towards women...?   Personally I don't think it does.

Would it be homophobic, to post a photo of an attractive gay guy?  


Wether it fits your idea of sexist is almost beside the point. It creates an atmosphere that is less than inviting to women and where they feel  left out. If %70 of the posts where pics of bulges and gifs of flapping penises I know I would feel quite left out.

PS. This is my opinion on the matter. Howeve, Iīm not very good at being a feminist so you might catch me saying something stupid in other posts.

do you think it's fair to repress male behavior?  Do you think young people running in the streets is unfair to old people with walking sticks? Do you think a homogenised society is the path to Utopia?

If so, go back to your logans run society, and please don't use the keyboard anymore... because it's hardly inviting to those without fingers.   You fucking finger Nazi !!!  


You can probably be as manly as you dream of without being a donkeyhole. By cultivating work related spaces where women feel unwelcome we contribute to shaping societies where up to 50% of the greatest talents never find their rightful place as professionals simply because they are women. They are regularly being bypassed for positions by far less competent men because the guy is one of the boss's drinking buddies after work. Beyond it being unfair, it is detrimental to GDP growth and efficiency in the economy in general.

Are you serious? I have heard all about the glass ceiling from my mother and sister for decades.  I understand the point that discrimination happens to women. You also must understand discrimination happens to almost every person at some point in their lives;  Educated, uneducated, old, young, black, white, gay, straight, short, tall, fat, thin, male and female.  

Also, this is not a work related space...  it's a PUBLIC FORUM.  

I'm asking why is it sexist, to post a picture of an attractive woman?  Calling a man sexist for looking at a photo of an attractive woman, and or making a comment that she is attractive, is not sexist.  To try and repress that male behavior is sexist.

So please, get down off your high horse and deal with the fact that if a woman wants to pose in a bikini and be photographed, that's her choice, and if a man wants to look at the photo that's his choice, neither event is your choice, in this instance.


I see you understand. Thankfully you understand all too well that the main point of all of this is that by suggesting a more civil tone towards any potential woman who may frequent this forum, it is you who are the victim. I just hope every woman who reads our little discussion understands that they should either post pictures of themselves in bikinis in the forum or pretend to be a guy, so that your fragile manhood stays intact.

What tone towards a woman ?  What tone, where ?

Please point out where the woman was insulted.   I insulted you, but your username is fatMAN, I assume you are a man.  And I insulted you not based on your sex, but because you are suggesting something that's totally untrue.

The original picture...




So it's a pretty woman, who I presume has had a boob job in a bikini, admiring her own boobs.  So please tell me how this picture and comment;

1. Insults women
2. Stops women getting jobs

You will notice I used the word "Insults" and not "offends".  Because some people take offense to almost anything.  That photo does not insult women, It may offend (some) women, but how is that anyone else's concern?   If you get offended by that then I suggest you are easily offended.

As for it insulting women, that is a joke.  It offends some women.  Some women that seem to have a chip on their shoulder.



Does this insult footballers?



Does this insult men?


If he were to post a meme of someone in a wheelchair, saying he can't stop staring at the wheelchair...  The that would be an insult because that is drawing attention to a disability.  But here is the point you and several women seem unable to grasp...

BEAUTY AND BOOBS ARE NOT DISABILITIES SO THERE IS NO INSULT

Chillax! It is not my fault you got your manhood broken by your mom and your sister.



79. Post 9661488 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: justusranvier on November 26, 2014, 01:00:47 PM
I see you understand. Thankfully you understand all too well that the main point of all of this is that by suggesting a more civil tone towards any potential woman who may frequent this forum, it is you who are the victim. I just hope every woman who reads our little discussion understands that they should either post pictures of themselves in bikinis in the forum or pretend to be a guy, so that your fragile manhood stays intact.
I have a difficult time reconciling your apparent strong concern for civility and avoiding offense with your choice of name.

I am not extremely concerned with civility, but when it intentionally or unintentionally harms specific groups that already have a though enough time in society I would suggest that we stop and think. Not just jump on the defensive immediately to torpedo whoever raises concern about it.

Regarding the nick. It was my nick back when I was part of an Amiga Demo group in the early 90s. And although some japanese may take offense, I would advice them not to try taking over the world and slaughter over 20 million chinese and koreans. It was also a cartoon character and a game for the Amiga.



80. Post 9664284 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

It seems like someone is determined to keep todays candle red. $368 on stamp is not gentlemen. I hope there will be a fight before the candle closes.



81. Post 9667177 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Let's send that XBT straight to Stratos!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAwgw-jk9PY



82. Post 9680380 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: stash on November 28, 2014, 12:01:55 PM
Bitcoin back on track! $364...and up to infinity.

Yes , let's ignore the drop and rejoice over the DCB.



83. Post 9681255 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: hdbuck on November 28, 2014, 02:11:45 PM
We will see a recover after the black friday.

Won't we?

Some fear huge BTC spending from the first Black Friday by large retailers offering use of Bitcoin (Dell, Overstock, Expedia, Newegg, etc...).

Retailers don't keep BTC, they dump to FIAT. 

So essentially, when you spend BTC on items you are essentially dumping it on the open exchange.

Yup +1
Hold you mofos

If nobody uses XBT, retailers are not going to offer the option and we will have no more user adoption. No usage, no value. So spend like a mofo and buy back instead!



84. Post 9681463 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: macsga on November 28, 2014, 02:42:06 PM
* macsga grabs popcorn. Nice battle going on Smiley

Somebody obviously needs discount computer gear, a lot of it.



85. Post 9682250 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.35h):

Quote from: hdbuck on November 28, 2014, 02:52:36 PM
We will see a recover after the black friday.

Won't we?

Some fear huge BTC spending from the first Black Friday by large retailers offering use of Bitcoin (Dell, Overstock, Expedia, Newegg, etc...).

Retailers don't keep BTC, they dump to FIAT.  

So essentially, when you spend BTC on items you are essentially dumping it on the open exchange.

Yup +1
Hold you mofos

If nobody uses XBT, retailers are not going to offer the option and we will have no more user adoption. No usage, no value. So spend like a mofo and buy back instead!

Its not because you dont spend btc that you dont use em.. Roll Eyes
Use It as a store of value. Hoard and reduce overall supply. Then let macro economy do its shit.

Édit: otherwise you Will just get burned by trading bots and banks and miss thé next train

I am not sure if we really disagree but I will try to rephrase myself. If nobody spends XBT to buy stuff or transfer value in some kind of transaction then you will all soon be hodling monopoly money. Its utility as a digital currency is what makes it valuable, It is what separates it from a pyramid scheme. If you need something and you get a black friday discount + Bitcoin discount, that adds up. Any movement in XBT value would have to be pretty radical if it's going to offset that before you buy back in.



86. Post 9683046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: Newbie1022 on November 28, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
Alright. Have fun losing money you delusional weirdos. Sorry for having an opinion other than BTC is going to $1,000,000,000,000,000,000 and that you all will be space titans.

I would love to be a space titan....



87. Post 9683071 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on November 28, 2014, 05:40:52 PM
Do you guys seriously believe there is significant commerce in Bitcoin besides drugs and gambling?

Yes



88. Post 9690775 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: NotLambchop on November 29, 2014, 03:02:24 PM

Blablablabla

[sorry for feeding trolls]


Hindsight is 20/20, I dispute this notion that the run up to $1100-$1200 was "an obvious bubble"(and prepare for the barrage of ridicule). It could have been the break-out moment for Bitcoin if the chinese government hadn't thrown a wrench in the works. If allowed to blossom, Bitcoin could have tremendous utility in the chinese economy. And if they ever let it blossom we will look back at $1200 and moan about "them cheap coins" not unlike so many with poor imagination do now.



89. Post 9692600 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Fonzie, newbie, lambchops, JJG... this forum is going to look like: ignored, ignored, ignored, ignored, ignored, ignored, ignored, ignored to a lot of people.



90. Post 9692646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Yeez, will this cat fight ever end? Aren't there anyone who has anything valuable to say about the price drop?

edit: The Who!



91. Post 9692717 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on November 29, 2014, 08:25:30 PM
Yeez, will this cat fight ever end? Aren't there anyone who has anything valuable to say about the price drop?

edit: The Who!

The price dropped.. oh?  had not even noticed   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Yes, and it all falls on you to turn the tide. So go out there and be somebody!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBfXTyzaUfQ



92. Post 9692799 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

So many put the trolls on ignore that they turned to cannibalism. This is a rare event. It is the magic of the post 10k society. Which means:

To Da Moon!!!


... Now, back to my tea leaves



93. Post 9702289 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Ok, I give in. I have to let Lambie, the ripple guy, shroomie and a couple of others go. I don't have time to go through all this drivel.



94. Post 9702386 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: keewee on November 30, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Ok, I give in. I have to let Lambie, the ripple guy, shroomie and a couple of others go. I don't have time to go through all this drivel.

Not to mention the benefits to your mental health. Let the healing begin  Grin

Thank you. With that logo/avatar you're like a Kiwi-zen master.



95. Post 9702432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: keewee on November 30, 2014, 10:34:52 PM
Ok, I give in. I have to let Lambie, the ripple guy, shroomie and a couple of others go. I don't have time to go through all this drivel.

Not to mention the benefits to your mental health. Let the healing begin  Grin

Thank you. With that logo/avatar you're like a Kiwi-zen master.

Well like you, I don't have time to wade through endless pages of drivel trying to catch up each day. And I hate stress in my life  Smiley

The world really looks brighter and happier this way! It's like driving with a newly polished car.



96. Post 9702737 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

someone is very keen on turning todays candle red



97. Post 9702815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

can anyone tell me if there is any point in not ignoring odalv?



98. Post 9702865 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: jonoiv on November 30, 2014, 11:35:30 PM
can anyone tell me if there is any point in not ignoring odalv?

because he's trolling the troll maybe ?

Ok



99. Post 9702983 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

I have to admit, this ignore button is addictive. Bye JJG!



100. Post 9703003 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: inca on December 01, 2014, 12:03:47 AM
I have to admit, this ignore button is addictive. Bye JJG!

Under his great walls of text I eventually caved in, too.


I think it is what the germans call "durchfall"



101. Post 9703052 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: fonzie on December 01, 2014, 12:00:09 AM
can anyone tell me if there is any point in not ignoring odalv?

because he's trolling the troll maybe ?

Please donīt quote the troll (Fatman3001), thx.

Am I the troll or am I quoting?



102. Post 9703090 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 01, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
Yo, the price going up or is it going down? IHNFC!!

Neither.

Flatlining.

Flatlining could be good. Besides being better than falling, it would be nice with a small juletime adoption wave.



103. Post 9703215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: jonoiv on December 01, 2014, 12:41:26 AM
Yo, the price going up or is it going down? IHNFC!!

Neither.

Flatlining.
it will go up today.

Monday is the day Wink

I hope you are right but it looks awfully quiet.



104. Post 9708463 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: fonsie on December 01, 2014, 03:34:03 PM
Is this the quiet before or after the bloodbath?

That's the question.............

Lemme help some of you new guys out.  Whenever you see things like market price setting at a fake number like $399.99 379.99, and it sits there for more than 12-24 hours without going up, you can bet that a dump is incoming.

You're welcome.

I'm just gonna leave this little reminder in bold here again, for the third time...

Would still love to know what a "fake number" is.

It's an artificial market exchange rate pegged by a few (or one) whales, that does not reflect actual real world market demand from the Joe Public majority.

However, it is not lost on me that the bitcoin market exchange rate has never reflected actual buying demand from Joe Public.  Nor will it likely ever.

So yeah, whatevs.   Wink

Indeed, neither Joe or Torque can drive the price up or down, only Willy can. Why? Because he's a whale!



I'm sorry to break it to you but the Orca/Killer Whale is actually a dolphin. Does that mean we go down?



105. Post 9709483 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

This is eerie. 380 feels so good, but they might slaughter us tonight with this volume.



106. Post 9711061 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: 4ever on December 01, 2014, 08:55:09 PM
Today was just registration deadline. Auction bid submissions are on Thursday until 2 PM Eastern.

Ouch! You are right. Maybe this explain the lack of reaction  Undecided
I see a lot of people posting that the reaction would be negative. Lets just hope it isn't so.

That's what they did last time, and we went up %50.



107. Post 9711482 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on December 01, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I see a lot of people posting that the reaction would be negative. Lets just hope it isn't so.
That's what they did last time, and we went up %50.

I remember, at the announcement time price dropped from 660$ to 620$, in a moment of craziness.
Then it bounced a bit but kept falling down to sub-550$. Then it recovered to 630$. After the auction ended,
it collapsed down to 500$, culminating in that 'flash crash' to 450$.
Having said this, i don't think these events are relevant per-se. But they are used by market makers to justify
big movements, and that is what i'm waiting for...  Cool

You're right, I conflated a bunch of ups and downs in my head. I see it went up $50 the day before only to drop a bit and flatline until the end of July when we were treated to the spiral of death for some months. It stayed around $600 until August the 11th though, but by then I don't think the auction had much to do with the mid-August crash.



108. Post 9718070 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: Erdogan on December 02, 2014, 03:03:10 PM
Careful with the christmas presents, ladies and gentlemen. Hold on to your wallets! Remember Dickens's uncle Scrooge. An if you plan to soften up: unlike Scrooge, you must wait until BTCUSD is 1000!

I'm waiting for 3001, that is the true number of Gentlemen!



109. Post 9723006 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 03, 2014, 12:50:44 AM
Is that the first time difficulty has ever adjusted downwards?

Nope, it has happened many times before. But I think last time was february 2013. So it's the first time since the ASIC invasion started. It's quite a healthy sign because it shows that even that market is price sensitive. There was some worry that chinese farms with subsidized electricity and facilities would make it impossible for anyone in the West to compete. Then we would have had virtually all of the mining capacity inside the chinese "intranet". Which would be bad.



110. Post 9724089 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on December 03, 2014, 03:34:37 AM
I've been away for a couple of weeks, can anyone confirm this?

https://twitter.com/wiz/status/537464186079416322

Is there hope?!

...no?

They supposedly recovered 200 000 coins, 650 000 coins are missing.  So unless you for some reason are very high up on the list of creditors, them coins are gone. Kraken is not going to empty their stash for Gox customers.



111. Post 9730096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Well, at least there are plenty of walls to observe...



112. Post 9737157 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: hdbuck on December 04, 2014, 12:15:27 PM
meh, you are helpless. unable to even respond on the subject, always diverging to some stupid ad hominem attacks, making you feel smarter when the only fucked up mind is see here i you. trolling nonstop on a forum. get a life.
anyway, you wanted it now you have it: IGNORE.

So you chose the red pill? Welcome to The Real World!



113. Post 9737197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: FUR11 on December 04, 2014, 12:20:40 PM
Yeah that dump was insane! Mezmerized that this thread wasn't glowing already minutes after it happened. Well, I really don't know what to make of the auction, to be honest... It may be a very good opportunity for Draper to lower his average price per Bitcoin, sure. But I also bet he's kinda bummed having payed that much more back in Summer (probably).

I might be dumbing this a bit too much down for myself, but I am just happy somebody wants to buy a huge amount of coins around the current price, rather than short Bitcoin to oblivion. If this is Tim Draper, so be it. But I wouldn't mind if someone new came in heavy and wanted to protect their investments by slaying future bearwhales.



114. Post 9738225 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: hdbuck on December 04, 2014, 02:07:01 PM


I had to store this one



115. Post 9738376 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.36h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 04, 2014, 02:31:10 PM
Griping about manipulation is stupid and pointless. If someone is driving the price down just to buy, then you benefit from temporarily lower prices.

the reason there is less demand is because market participants correctly (IMHO) anticipate that there are too many holders who will sell if the price goes just a hundred or two higher. Price has to go lower to attract new money. We are just taking it from each other at this point.

We need new money and that means we need lower prices. The retail money won't really start pouring in until after the rally is well under way and it hasn't even started yet.

Seeing as Bitcoin needs a market cap of 50-100 billion USD to become truly useful I don't think lowering it to 2 is going to attract a lot of new money.



116. Post 9742343 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: jonoiv on December 04, 2014, 10:00:52 PM
in other news...



I hope she has a QR code. 

Isn't that you?



117. Post 9743043 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

I am struggling to find anything sensible in this thread about anything. Does anyone here really think someone would buy the auctioned coins just to crash the bitcoin market? Do you really think these coins are going to be bought by the low ballers rather than the investors who wants to go long big? It's not even any FUD left here. It's like a sowing club. The only reason I see for any movement before monday is that adamstgBit is let out of his cage.



118. Post 9743147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: Newbie1022 on December 04, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
I am struggling to find anything sensible in this thread about anything. Does anyone here really think someone would buy the auctioned coins just to crash the bitcoin market? Do you really think these coins are going to be bought by the low ballers rather than the investors who wants to go long big? It's not even any FUD left here. It's like a sowing club. The only reason I see for any movement before monday is that adamstgBit is let out of his cage.

Do I think they sold at under market? Yes
Do I think they sold at much under market? No (within $50, probably)
Do I think they will be dumped immediately? No -- let the market chill and move around then the cultists will go in guns blazing and then you dump at a profit (unless you are planning on holding long, long term)

Basically

Why would they sell under market? Institutional investors pay a premium elsewhere to avoid upsetting the market. And why wouldn't any of them want to pick up some coins afterwards if they lose the auction? The price is pretty low, it is very likely going to be substantially higher when the next auction is held. I understand that a twerp who shorted 50 coins would try to influence the mood, but aren't there anyone who would care to share some words that have actually been brain-processed?



119. Post 9743173 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 04, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
I am struggling to find anything sensible in this thread about anything. Does anyone here really think someone would buy the auctioned coins just to crash the bitcoin market? Do you really think these coins are going to be bought by the low ballers rather than the investors who wants to go long big? It's not even any FUD left here. It's like a sowing club. The only reason I see for any movement before monday is that adamstgBit is let out of his cage.

Do I think they sold at under market? Yes
Do I think they sold at much under market? No (within $50, probably)
Do I think they will be dumped immediately? No -- let the market chill and move around then the cultists will go in guns blazing and then you dump at a profit (unless you are planning on holding long, long term)

Basically

this is reasonable speculation. i think so too.

and maybe someone feels confident that his low ball bid is going to be a winner so he is happily locking in some profits now.

ie. Adam is going to dump the shit out of us all during the weekend.



120. Post 9743210 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 05, 2014, 12:02:27 AM
I am struggling to find anything sensible in this thread about anything. Does anyone here really think someone would buy the auctioned coins just to crash the bitcoin market? Do you really think these coins are going to be bought by the low ballers rather than the investors who wants to go long big? It's not even any FUD left here. It's like a sowing club. The only reason I see for any movement before monday is that adamstgBit is let out of his cage.

They wouldn't be trying to crash the market. They would be selling at a profit while there is still enough resistance to dump without much slippage. There's no point in owning bitcoin if you don't eventually sell them or trade them for something. if there are more than one winning bidders with this strategy, then there will be a race to see who can dump first.

WHAT!?!?

How did these people ever make any money in the first place?HuhHuhHuh

Buy bitcoins at $10?!?!?!???



121. Post 9743222 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on December 05, 2014, 12:03:49 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-04/bitcoins-seized-from-silk-road-offered-in-second-auction.html

“My guess is that we’ll have fewer bidders this time around because they know they won’t get any bitcoins at a significant discount,” Moro said. “What you are left with are the more serious folks.”

Here is the answer  Wink

I just got milk, lactose free.



122. Post 9743399 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

ooooh... the price moves through a random line, that means something significant is going to happen..... oh, nothing happened, well that means it is going to go through another random line and something even more significant is going to happen..... oh, that didn't happen either, so you see this other line here ...blablablabla.... oh, that didn't happen.......blablablabla......[a month later]....YOU SEE!! YOU SEE!!! The price dropped by $20, I'm like Nostradamus! Well that means that we are going to hit this line here.......................



123. Post 9750391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 05, 2014, 06:14:04 PM
Newbie, Shroomkit & Lambchop all on the ignore list.

I think it has to be done to be able to enjoy this place

I don't know if newbie is trolling but he fries my brain every time i read his posts.



124. Post 9750458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

It would have been cool if something happened. Instead we get trolled by God, I mean Adam.



125. Post 9750972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 05, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
Why do people rack up thousands of posts on a forum for something they....

1.) Don't think will succeed
2.) Don't seem to really enjoy

I don't get it.

how cares its entertaining

Adam is drinking, that's bullish!



126. Post 9751049 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: Bittings on December 05, 2014, 07:29:22 PM
Why do people rack up thousands of posts on a forum for something they....

1.) Don't think will succeed
2.) Don't seem to really enjoy

I don't get it.

how cares its entertaining

Adam is drinking, that's bullish!

He must be drinking, because lampchop hasn't been entertaining in months. In fact he is a cancer to this forum and will be the death of it. If Bitcoin fails, its because of lampchop. landhop killed my grandma.

I'm telling you: If Adam starts giving out beer money we're going to snap the neck of $500 faster than you can say Lamb Roast and Gravy!



127. Post 9751666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Where is that guy who was bragging about his short? BillyJoeBanjo or something?



128. Post 9751823 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: fonzie on December 05, 2014, 08:53:58 PM
Where is that guy who was bragging about his short? BillyJoeBanjo or something?



That means Billie Jean is a minor then?



129. Post 9759087 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: gkv9 on December 06, 2014, 03:26:09 PM
@phoenix1, Did I post anything irrelevant or wrong? I apologize if I did so...

Not at all - your summary reminded me of that gif ... we got a mexican stand of goin on. Bullls and bears staring each other out ...
Glad you liked it  Wink


Loved the image, especially that kiddo... I know that I am posting things people already know, but it's like I want to get heard like everyone, but I'm not getting the topic in which I may have interest, I mean I am not getting a goal in this industry... Now don't just say: ^leave this community then^, because like everybody, even I love Bitcoins and post what I feel maybe either useful or entertaining... Wink Tongue

I can't speak for the rest but as long as you don't post BS in some annoying and pointless attempt to manipulate the mood/price I have no problem with you thinking out loud (and it would be in writing so it's not that loud anyways).



130. Post 9759748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: gkv9 on December 06, 2014, 05:17:22 PM
I can't speak for the rest but as long as you don't post BS in some annoying and pointless attempt to manipulate the mood/price I have no problem with you thinking out loud (and it would be in writing so it's not that loud anyways).

Lolz how come I manipulate price? I didn't attempt to say any annoying BS but everything was entertaining... Wink Anyways, without any more arguments, I would like to say "Peace... Respect... Cheers..." Smiley

I never said that you did. I'm no emoticon-wiz so I don't know how to communicate that there is no hidden motive in my message (and I hate using emoticons), but you seemed apologetic about the content of some of your posts so I thought I would let you know that I at least am fine with them.



131. Post 9759906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: gkv9 on December 06, 2014, 06:22:44 PM
I never said that you did. I'm no emoticon-wiz so I don't know how to communicate that there is no hidden motive in my message (and I hate using emoticons), but you seemed apologetic about the content of some of your posts so I thought I would let you know that I at least am fine with them.

I apologize again to you if you don't like emoticons... Anyways, I replied on the basis of what I understood... You included the word "price" and that made me think how can a small member like me do that? Am I trolling anywhere that the price will be this or that? No, everywhere I talked about the price, I have tried my best to show the facts and no BS...  Again... Peace, Respect & Cheers...

I don't know how effective it is, but I see many try.

Again, I never meant to accuse you of anything.



132. Post 9759959 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: jonoiv on December 06, 2014, 06:40:03 PM

sigh....

You posted this article, and tried to make out like it was in someway correct, people pointed out that it was not, myself included and I quote "I think you will find he copied the headline and pasted from here"  note the same headline , to the piece you posted originally... the headline from July, stating that draper had won, that is what this was about right??

He was not even bidding for the entire lots, the headline was old... and the articles, written yesterday or not, were full of shit..

I think I have my facts in order, and really I am not sure what you are trying to say? I am saying headline old, draper did not win the entire second auction, and it was obvious from the get go that the article with old headline was full of shit.

That is all.

I said the article was posted on the day of the second auction and it was.  I'm not responsible for the content whether it's rehashed or not.  

But don't you think it's relevant to point it out?



133. Post 9760039 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: jonoiv on December 06, 2014, 06:45:59 PM

sigh....

You posted this article, and tried to make out like it was in someway correct, people pointed out that it was not, myself included and I quote "I think you will find he copied the headline and pasted from here"  note the same headline , to the piece you posted originally... the headline from July, stating that draper had won, that is what this was about right??

He was not even bidding for the entire lots, the headline was old... and the articles, written yesterday or not, were full of shit..

I think I have my facts in order, and really I am not sure what you are trying to say? I am saying headline old, draper did not win the entire second auction, and it was obvious from the get go that the article with old headline was full of shit.

That is all.

I said the article was posted on the day of the second auction and it was.  I'm not responsible for the content whether it's rehashed or not.  

But don't you think it's relevant to point it out?

I did on the original post, with the "!?" symbol.




(I tried)



134. Post 9760156 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: jonoiv on December 06, 2014, 07:07:03 PM





(I tried)

Nice picture Adam, err sorry I mean fatman3001...

I wish, Adam is a divine entity.



135. Post 9761135 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on December 06, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
most of the blockchain traffic seems to be non-payment transactions

What sort of non-payment transactions?

Spam-bitcoins filling up peoples wallets. The most unprofitable scam ever.



136. Post 9761163 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: sherbyspark on December 06, 2014, 09:11:41 PM

With all of the mining ROI going away I can see money pouring into the price from people who do the math and realize mining with current hardware + electricity costs (not free) is likely not worth their time.

Better off buying bitcoin directly.

And the cycle continues.....once again.

Mining ROI is still good enough in other countries whre the electricity costs are next to nothing.

Now that mining difficulty has flatlined more miners are obviously keeping some coins rather than buying new HW, thus we might have less supply of coins for a while.



137. Post 9761462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: Adrian-x on December 06, 2014, 09:25:32 PM

With all of the mining ROI going away I can see money pouring into the price from people who do the math and realize mining with current hardware + electricity costs (not free) is likely not worth their time.

Better off buying bitcoin directly.

And the cycle continues.....once again.

Mining ROI is still good enough in other countries whre the electricity costs are next to nothing.

Now that mining difficulty has flatlined more miners are obviously keeping some coins rather than buying new HW, thus we might have less supply of coins for a while.

The flat dutifully is great for ROI, I think many mining hardware investments have had a ROI, now the risk (price volatility)  discourages growing your mining investment (possibly encourages first time miners though )

I expected the average miner to be saving a higher present of coins so yes I think supply will be shrinking although I don't expect it to reflect in the price until mining becomes marginally profitable.

So a long sideways or a drop and a big ramp.

One of the problems miners have with the current XBT price is that even if you get a good deal from Spondoolies or Bitmain you will probably not make the coins back before the next gen hw hits the market in 2nd quarter of 2015 and make the current gen obsolete. With this in mind "...a long sideways or a drop and a big ramp." is very likely. Of course a sharp price spike might change this, but the more time passes the more dramatic that spike will have to be for it to be worth buying current gen gear.



138. Post 9761645 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.37h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 06, 2014, 09:59:20 PM
Anybody still buying regularly?

I'm a HODLER but at a bit of a cross roads right now regarding 'do I stick with what I have' or 'keep buying'.
No positive news at all for a while now but then again no real negative news.

It's all gone a bit boring.....

The goal is not to be entertained now, the goal is to spend 2016 in a purple Rolls Royce screaming "I'm Rich Bitch!" while lighting joints with burning fiat.



139. Post 9774127 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

It will be interesting to see if we will have to cancel christmas



140. Post 9774202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

These movements look really well controlled.



141. Post 9774215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: Davyd05 on December 08, 2014, 09:23:01 AM
I am going to guess casual fakeout of the 1w starting green. Dumpers like to dump, and too much sideways can lead to said situations.


Too much sideways movement might actually make bitcoin look like a currency



142. Post 9776499 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

I thought the sky was falling?? I guess christmas is saved then.



143. Post 9777964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on December 08, 2014, 04:42:31 PM

Wierd ... all the lots of about 5k and  3k have small amounts deducted for miner fees.
That 52 k is odd tho ...
Maybe someone made them an offer they could not refuse for an extra 50k over the weekend (Draper ... 2k + 50k = 52k)
Still does not explain why the total is over 52k and not under as you would expect after fees

Could they even do that, without auctioning them? Do they not have some sort of fiduciary duty ?

Answers on a postcard ...

I can't imagine that they sold 50k extra just like that. Draper must be late on his payment.

Edit: If he was a bit dumber than I thought, he forgot to herd the cats in advance.



144. Post 9777998 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: tarmi on December 08, 2014, 05:29:50 PM

Wierd ... all the lots of about 5k and  3k have small amounts deducted for miner fees.
That 52 k is odd tho ...
Maybe someone made them an offer they could not refuse for an extra 50k over the weekend (Draper ... 2k + 50k = 52k)
Still does not explain why the total is over 52k and not under as you would expect after fees

Could they even do that, without auctioning them? Do they not have some sort of fiduciary duty ?

Answers on a postcard ...

I can't imagine that they sold 50k extra just like that. Draper must be late on his payment.


somebody didnt pay for his lot?

such demand, so bullish.

Maybe they don't take bitcoin. That would have been faster.[insert relevant emoticon]



145. Post 9778048 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on December 08, 2014, 05:31:39 PM

I can't imagine that they sold 50k extra just like that. Draper must be late on his payment.

Agreed re 50k ... just putting it out there.
Draper late on payment lol. Having tantrum cos didn't get enough hehe
Or can't be arsed cos he's out on a yacht and it's pocket chance. Meh, the FED's know I'm good for it Wink


That might be a bad move for him. Auctioneers don't take it lightly if you mess with payments, and FED auctioneers have marksmen available.



146. Post 9778244 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: DoktorKopf on December 08, 2014, 05:48:22 PM
The 0.05 aren't fees. I think they were test sends to make sure the address and all else was ok. After a couple of confirms the remainder was sent to the confirmed address to bring it (usually) to a round 5k.

Doesn't explain why 5k when that wasn't the lot size.

Maybe some bidders won several lots and that's how the buyers wanted them.



147. Post 9778255 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on December 08, 2014, 05:52:24 PM
I hear ya Jorge, loud and clear

Yeh, that 52k + change does not fit the pattern.

unless 1 lot did not sell, or unless some wise guy has not met payment deadline, then it makes sense...

I thought defaulting just fills the next highest bid?

That could be the case, but they would have to notify them and give time to pay if that was the case

Right, I think we've analysed the shit out of this (I'm certainly bored), meanwhile, price is doing nothing
Fuel the thrusters for the next blast through into $380 and lets get this show on the road  Cheesy

After you...



148. Post 9779925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 08, 2014, 08:55:14 PM
Does anybody know the new deadline when something is gonna happen?
We need more deadlines!

25th of December

God will buy 100k bitcoins as a birthday present to Jesus. To da moon heavens!



149. Post 9786023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: jonoiv on December 09, 2014, 12:34:40 PM
If you are reading this you are STUPID;

True story... Grin

However I've voted for  >385 $ , and  I hope to see that price.

well beyond that before Christmas. Santa told me.

I hope you are right, but someone told me Santa isn't real.



150. Post 9803669 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on December 11, 2014, 04:04:49 AM
Great, yet another way to sell Bitcoin for fiat. Cry

Why would you want a currency that nobody uses? I am baffled by the zero-sum economical thinking of large parts of the Bitcoin community.

Anyhoo, this is really cool. I haven't seen this before. It would have been better if it was a company with a thriving ecosystem, but The Evil Empire still has some followers.



151. Post 9803678 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on December 11, 2014, 05:00:12 AM
VERTICAL

Where the F@@@ is the "Hory Sheet" guy?!?!?!!?!



152. Post 9803693 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: WoopDeBoop on December 11, 2014, 04:10:09 AM

Well between this and their opposition to surrender users data to the US (the ireland case), they are earning points with me. Good job, Bill. You are forgiven for Windows 8  Cheesy

takes a lot more than this to make up for windows 8

I'm still running Vista. They will have to cure cancer to make it up to me.



153. Post 9803726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Yeezz Louize!!! Huobi is going Insane!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RijB8wnJCN0



154. Post 9803749 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: mrkavasaki on December 11, 2014, 05:12:04 AM
Some rumors say sony want to accept bitcoins to Shocked

That would have been awesome!!!



155. Post 9803765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

I believe someone ordered a green dildo? Well here it is and it smells of bear shit.



156. Post 9803925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

We need to get SpaceX in this MOFO ASAP!!! I want my ROCKET!!!



157. Post 9803945 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

I feel sorry for the shorters, I hope they can come along for the ride up.



158. Post 9803982 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 11, 2014, 05:49:31 AM
bull trolls. bear trolls. trolls everywhere.

You have to separate the trolls from your common or garden fool.



159. Post 9804377 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: seleme on December 11, 2014, 06:04:22 AM
Big companies accepting bitcoins hardly did wonder things for the price recently, isn't it?

It adds to bitcoin's legacy for sure but we need stuff to make people buy coins not to sell it.

If more people use coins then we will have more liquidity and more people holding. If you increase the user base with millions who use a bit and hold a bit for a while in uncoordinated random cycles then we will have a much healthier environment than we have now.



160. Post 9810118 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.38h):

Quote from: seleme on December 11, 2014, 07:11:16 AM
Big companies accepting bitcoins hardly did wonder things for the price recently, isn't it?

It adds to bitcoin's legacy for sure but we need stuff to make people buy coins not to sell it.

If more people use coins then we will have more liquidity and more people holding. If you increase the user base with millions who use a bit and hold a bit for a while in uncoordinated random cycles then we will have a much healthier environment than we have now.

The problem is that more companies accepting bitcoin didn't make more people using bitcoins or holding. It didn't make people buy bitcoins to spend them or hold them, most of buys happening with bitcoin at those companies are people who hold coins already, specially early investors.

There is still literally zero advantage for average user to buy bitcoins just to spend them on some site except in illegal purchases.

I don't know... Microsoft accepting Bitcoin surely adds heavily to it's legacy long term but I'm not sure it adds any wonders to Bitcoin price except short term pump, just like all others didn't. Until average Joe gets some significant advantage of using Bitcoin to purchase things and could buy it fast and cheap nothing really changes. We need new money in the game and that won't be people buying coins to spend them on Xbox stuff.

I think a lot of parents would be more comfortable with their children filling up their microsoft account with bitcoin than giving them access to moms or dads credit/debit card.



161. Post 9850562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 15, 2014, 09:43:50 PM
"Chinese Official: Bitcoin Can 'Co-exist' with Fiat Currencies"

Quote
We can utilize the Internet's open-source distributed information technology to publicize digital currency, achieving value transmission in a low-cost and high-efficiency way.

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-official-bitcoin-can-co-exist-fiat-currencies/

bullish?

There is nothing really new in that statement. The chinese have made their position clear in both action and words already.

This news is more likely to set the tone for the rest of the year:

http://www.coindesk.com/overstocks-2014-bitcoin-sales-miss-projections-3-million/



162. Post 9858165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: win365 on December 16, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
This maybe is a real good news.
Huobi reopens the bank dire transfer tonight.

I think it is clear to all that the price movement today is an artificial contraction that will result in a massive beyond-lunar-pump when the taps are turned on at Huobi. It will end roughly around Phobos, ie. both "out of this world" and "to da moon". I might be wrong but my wallet tells me this sounds good. IT IS CHRISTMAS!!! WHERE IS THAT MOFO KRINGLE?!?!?!?!?



163. Post 9858496 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: podyx on December 16, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
Where can I buy ripple? I think it's shit but a centralized currency might eventually take over.

IMO bitcoin has too many wallets, too many programs for it so the average joe gets confused as to which one to use. It's better if he's just getting told "use this, do that" and everybody use the same thing

When the bitcoin infrastructure matures some clients will float above the rest and that's what average joe will use.



164. Post 9859820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: Eal F. Skillz on December 16, 2014, 07:58:47 PM
We need more blood in the streets!

Take the initiative, go run in front of a bus! Oh, but I guess you meant other peoples blood.



165. Post 9859836 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: Omikifuse on December 16, 2014, 08:04:12 PM
red.. red everywhere..

red dildos.. red bloody tampoons.. red percentages...

so tired of this color. Embarrassed

You mistaken

There is no volume to make red dildos.

It is closer to red dots going down and down minute by minute

Not everyone is so picky about their dildos.



166. Post 9859874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on December 16, 2014, 08:09:08 PM
Great guys. You're cheerleading each downtrend like stupid and wonder why the people flock to the ripple scam.
Cheap coins are pretty nice though.

As long as the price keeps dropping there are no cheap coins. Every coin is more expensive than the next.



167. Post 9859958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Why don't some of the industry big shots set up a bitcoin stabilization fund?



168. Post 9859970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: solex on December 16, 2014, 08:19:44 PM
>1.8K in asks pill up at ~329

we're doomed!

When the last uber-bull throws in the towel, RALLY TIME!

More like rag time.

So if you excuse me...



169. Post 9860371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Don't the ripple crowd have their own forum??



170. Post 9860753 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 16, 2014, 09:54:25 PM

Ripple solved a problem Bitcoin had since the Gox-Fuckup. People can buy Ripple directly at their bank. No shady east-european exchanges, no problems of trust.

yeah, solving the trust problem was what ripple did ...  Roll Eyes

... and even in the worst prisons the guards are trusted.

lol

we speak of different kinds of "trust". in a bigger scale you are right, nevertheless means buying your crytocurrency at your local bank for the average customer obv a BIG advantage against bitcoin. since the gox-fuckup the inner-bitcoin-circle wasnt able to rebuild the lost trust. as the complete management of the gox-fuckup was a disaster in terms of PR.

Let's keep things in perspective shall we? 2008 banking and financial crises were a PR disaster for the fiat centralised banking scam ... Mt. Gox was a japanese kabuki comedy routine, sucks if you got caught up in the pantomine but there was plenty of warning.

agree again. nevertheless i am just explaining the rise of ripple and thats one part of its success. you can obv say that ripple is centralized or whatsoever. only, it doesnt matter. in the end all what matters is which system gains mainstream-trust and gets track in the financial world and which system gains markets trust.

if ripple succeeds and outperforms bitcoin you can tell yourself whole day long that bitcoin is theoretically the better system and that this shouldnt have happend.

i am not a ripple fanboy and am still in btc for the biggest part, nevertheless to ignore the needs of the average customer/user wont help bitcoin.

People get the money and leaders they deserve for the most part.

... they are free to believe whichever con-artists they choose, if that is bankster-backed ripple, centralised fiat scams, CNN CNBC so be it. The masses get duped and ripped off at every turn because they choose to be ignorant, brain-washed by manipulative venal controllers and ultimately fleeced, that is their choice.

... if you want to pump ripple you should get a twitter or facebook account, that is where you will find most of the gullible rubes, not so much here.

Yes, everyone else is stupid. And you see everything so clearly. How great it must be to be you. But if you are right I just wonder why all bitcoiners are lubing their asses every night before they go to bed.



171. Post 9866288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

I thought it was bad when I was shitting bricks. Today when I looked in the bowl it was a huge slab of reinforced concrete.



172. Post 9866305 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: Holderbert on December 17, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
Is there any obvious reason as to why BTC are crashing atm?

Guys need to buy jewelry to keep wives. Bitcoins gots to go.



173. Post 9866414 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 17, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
Is there any obvious reason as to why BTC are crashing atm?

Guys need to buy jewelry to keep wives. Bitcoins gots to go.

That's a sexist stereotype Shocked

That men buy women jewelry for christmas? Perhaps, I am not good at being a feminist.



174. Post 9867138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

wandererfromthenorth had to go on ignore. If he is not a troll then he is an *****, so I think I can manage without him.



175. Post 9867430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 17, 2014, 02:13:05 PM
Price sucks ass but we HODL in hope.
I'm probably a fucking idiot hodling onto this many coins but I've made my bed now, I might as well die in it.

The price has only dropped 20% the last couple of weeks and we are still over $40 above the low in early October. I am not saying it's a sweet position, I am just saying that if you didn't cut your wrists then you can probably wait till after christmas.



176. Post 9867496 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.39h):

Quote from: Cassius on December 17, 2014, 02:31:23 PM
Am I sensing despair?

Of course, people are losing money.



177. Post 9878614 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):


BTC-E higher than stamp and finex

Something has to give



178. Post 9880004 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: noobtrader on December 18, 2014, 04:59:16 PM
sell pressure seem subsided atm..  hopefully bull will return soon

We haven't seen him since 2013, and it turned out to be a RoboBull.



179. Post 9880197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Ok, look. I haven't told anyone before because I didn't want to come across as some arrogant asshole, but I am actually "The Supreme Ruler of The Universe!"(yes, the exclamation mark is part of the title). And I order you all to buy some bitcoins!!

Yours Truly, SRU



180. Post 9880634 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on December 18, 2014, 05:34:52 PM

Yours Truly, SRU!


you forgot the exclamation mark   Grin

I am just one of the guys. But if YOU forget to use the exclamation mark.... I will file a complaint to the proper authorities.



181. Post 9880958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: Malin Keshar on December 18, 2014, 06:31:03 PM
everyone... note that after every rise in the dollar is followed by a crash in the dollar.
note that we seen this same phenomena prior to the 2008 crisis.
everyone... please be safe as we prepare for the dollar crash and the next economic crisis.
be sure you fasten your seat belts and remove all extra cash from the banks.

I'm waiting for the crisis for years.

I'm speculating what will happens when the US state budget is going to be discussed for year, since in 2014 took some time until it got fully approved.

The Republicans control the house. They will make it a priority to get it through and Obama will let it through in order to look like he is someone they can work with. They will both claim it as a victory and try to move on to issues that's been postponed due to republicans acting like babies when they didn't have control of the house.



182. Post 9882353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 18, 2014, 09:01:20 PM
I said there would be a pullback from $300, but it's a waiting game. Wait until it's higher and you feel like the coast is clear and then put in your short,  but don't margin trade if you don't know what you are doing. The three surest ways for a smart man to go broke are liqueur, ladies, and leverage. Think big picture and long term.

All I can say is that if I survive this bear market, I am never EVER buying a Lamborghini. The world needs to know that Bitcoin is in the hands of competent managers of capital. They will not accept as money an asset that is so crazy volatile and who's decentral bankers are immature.

This storm will pass, and these parasites who took our money so easily will loose it just as easily when they don't expect to. They actually did me a favor by teaching me something I needed to learn and by making our project more accessible to new players.

I'm gonna take these bastards money and if I don't then I'm going to pay off the guy who does.  That's the beauty of the free market. Every trade is win-win or it doesn't happen.

 
Just curious. Who are these bastards?

traders selling to buy back lower.

I love reading billybanjo. Apparently someone born out of wedlock stole his Lamborghini but he learnt a valuable lesson so it's ok. That's a nice story.



183. Post 9882586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: Wary on December 18, 2014, 10:01:56 PM
I said there would be a pullback from $300, but it's a waiting game. Wait until it's higher and you feel like the coast is clear and then put in your short,  but don't margin trade if you don't know what you are doing. The three surest ways for a smart man to go broke are liqueur, ladies, and leverage. Think big picture and long term.

All I can say is that if I survive this bear market, I am never EVER buying a Lamborghini. The world needs to know that Bitcoin is in the hands of competent managers of capital. They will not accept as money an asset that is so crazy volatile and who's decentral bankers are immature.

This storm will pass, and these parasites who took our money so easily will loose it just as easily when they don't expect to. They actually did me a favor by teaching me something I needed to learn and by making our project more accessible to new players.

I'm gonna take these bastards money and if I don't then I'm going to pay off the guy who does.  That's the beauty of the free market. Every trade is win-win or it doesn't happen.

 
Just curious. Who are these bastards?

traders selling to buy back lower.
But why does he call them parasites?  Huh  Just because they took his money?  Wink Or there is some economic reasoning behind it?

Because of the lambo?



184. Post 9883873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 19, 2014, 12:59:50 AM
everyone nervously waiting for the plunge?

Be careful! Bitcoin is the land of self-fulfilling prophecies.



185. Post 9888164 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Why are we stationary here? This is no place for a price to stay. Are we going up or down?



186. Post 9889273 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: kenji on December 19, 2014, 02:40:03 PM

i own 165btc

which coin should i buy instead of bitcoin to rentire soon?

Or PM me and you can be an investor for my Bitcoin mining Data Center.



187. Post 9889308 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: cryyptc on December 19, 2014, 02:59:43 PM

i own 165btc

which coin should i buy instead of bitcoin to rentire soon?

Or PM me and you can be an investor for my Bitcoin mining Data Center.


where is your data center located? ..is it fully insured? muuuahahah Wink

It is located in the best possible place in the world. And it is very well protected. So you can go muahaha somewhere else.



188. Post 9890391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: Hunyadi on December 19, 2014, 04:59:26 PM
Aha, here is the pump. Take a guess what comes after that.

CCMF?

Not much of a pump, more like a ball-scratch.



189. Post 9890432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: kenji on December 19, 2014, 05:07:37 PM
it will drop again Kiss

like a stone



190. Post 9891319 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: galdur on December 19, 2014, 06:14:49 PM
Evils of fiat, destroy the banks and government

blah, blah, blah

this incessant libertarian blather makes the common man

associate bitcoin with barf bags

so just muzzle the fuckers.

Libertarians are the least annoying. Right-wing anarchists can make a sane person run for the hills. It's like lobotomy is in vogue again.



191. Post 9893082 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Yeez Louize!! Just looked at ripple! Now I know why those annoying twats are so quiet. Bitcoin really HAS matured a lot.



192. Post 9893137 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: kenji on December 19, 2014, 11:27:42 PM
ready for the moon?


I just hope it isn't soviet style moon rocket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m79UO4HOQmc



193. Post 9895333 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: shmadz on December 20, 2014, 07:01:47 AM
This is not looking good, low volume,  not enough dumping,

And where the hell are all the trolls? They run and hide when we need them most!

We need a big dump right now to take us back down to 300,

Hehe, 300, anyone still around who remembers when we broke 300 to the upside last year?

Nah, we've had enough dumps in 2014. Give us a pity-rally so we can lick our wounds while Kris Kringle swings by.



194. Post 9904830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: BitAddict on December 21, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
Till now my bitcoin adventure has been short and painful Tongue

The bitcoin mining network costs over 1 million dollars per day.  That money can only come from one place: the pockets of people who buy bitcoins now and hold them, or sell them at a loss.

So, be proud of having done your part in this noble enterprise.  Undecided
Um it only costs money to those that freely choose to pay, not forced at gunpoint.

i wonder where 1 million dollars counted from Huh

what if miner only sell 10% of there mined coin every month Huh

Because miners need to pay electricity bills, maintenance expenses,  cover initial investment, they don't have a high margin nowadays (just go and check how mining difficulty is going down) and most of them don't want to hold in this bearish trend.

Probably most of the miners have, at least, expenses around 80-90% of what they mine including all previous points. (And I'm not counting a lot of miners who are doing it at a loss if you count initial investment, and will never recover that money). Some miners, even if they sell 100% of what they mine, they will be at a loss.

There is no way miners are dumping less than that. And of course 10% is impossible, that would mean miners are doing it at a huge fiat loss for a year. I'm sure if some of them were holding expecting higher price, they already run out of liquidity and are forced to liquidate their bitcoins in order to pay their bills every month.

And those that are doing OK are saving coins and waiting for the next gen 14/16nm FinFet machines to hit the market in early to mid 2015. As long as difficulty goes down that is a quite comfortable position. But it also means we might have a wave of coins on the market in 2-3 months time.



195. Post 9905052 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: BitAddict on December 21, 2014, 11:49:19 AM
Mining is just a different way to buy bitcoins.

You could deal with the exchanges, pay a premium at localbitcoins, use your credit card on various sites paying 10-20% or buy some Bitcoin miners and slowly accumulate bitcoins over time.

"Waahh...they have to pay for electricity". Ya...I have to pay the exchange to get my bitcoins. What's the difference?

Do you think it's all poor people with no incomes mining bitcoins? My co-worker who I know mines bitcoins has a six figure income. He mines because he wants to get a lot of bitcoins and enjoys hardware and technology. He can certainly afford to pay for electricity without cashing out his bitcoins.

Or you can just send your money to an exchange and pay only a maximum of 0.5% fee... lol. Don't be denial.
If you are mining as an individual you will end up paying more than 20%, some individuals only recovered 25% of what they invested in mining equipment...


And those that are doing OK are saving coins and waiting for the next gen 14/16nm FinFet machines to hit the market in early to mid 2015. As long as difficulty goes down that is a quite comfortable position. But it also means we might have a wave of coins on the market in 2-3 months time.

Those who are doing OK are probably cashing out, staying in fiat and then they will buy that new chips when they come to the market.
There is not point to hold bitcoin as an investment until this bear trend is over, if your plan is to sell them in a few months in order to get equipment. (And not holding longterm)

Unless you don't have a bank account (should not be a problem if you have enough money to pay for a lot a miners), or you are illegaly avoiding taxes.

Different countries deal with mining differently. If bitcoin is seen as a commodity you have to declare your inventory, but you don't need to clear your inventory for the new years. If a miner believes in his business he wouldn't see any need to dump immediately just because we might be in a bear market. Miners are truly committed to bitcoin with physical HW in physical buildings with real bills. They can't just jump over to ripple whenever the wind changes. They will have to ride the waves anyway. So they have an eye on the market. And right now they see that we are still above the early October low of $275. It all makes sense.



196. Post 9905383 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: Elwar on December 21, 2014, 12:26:51 PM
Mining is just a different way to buy bitcoins.

You could deal with the exchanges, pay a premium at localbitcoins, use your credit card on various sites paying 10-20% or buy some Bitcoin miners and slowly accumulate bitcoins over time.

"Waahh...they have to pay for electricity". Ya...I have to pay the exchange to get my bitcoins. What's the difference?

Do you think it's all poor people with no incomes mining bitcoins? My co-worker who I know mines bitcoins has a six figure income. He mines because he wants to get a lot of bitcoins and enjoys hardware and technology. He can certainly afford to pay for electricity without cashing out his bitcoins.

Or you can just send your money to an exchange and pay only a maximum of 0.5% fee... lol. Don't be denial.
If you are mining as an individual you will end up paying more than 20%, some individuals only recovered 25% of what they invested in mining equipment...

Or you could deal with the exchanges...  Roll Eyes

When you buy your miner you get an estimate of how many bitcoins you will get based upon difficulty. You purchase and mine. You are essentially paying for bitcoins.

Who are these extremely poor individuals that know how to set up very specific complicated hardware setup that cannot afford electricity?

Why not calculate the amount of people that own bitcoins and say "300,000 people own bitcoins, they have to pay for food, rent, electricity, water, gas, etc... this all comes out to $2 billion per month that people will need to sell their bitcoins to pay for. Bitcoin to -$1000 in 3 months".

Because people who don't think all the governments in the world will suddenly collapse without the internet being pulled down with it, wants their investments to make money; not drain money. You have to eat, you have to sleep. You don't have to have a 1,5MW bitcoin mining farm 2h drive from where you live.



197. Post 9905612 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: tarmi on December 21, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
all that talk about mass adoption and price skyrocketing, especially in 3rd world countries. 

did any of you consider scenario where mass adoption leads to massive price decrease?

the more people use it to transfer value (transfer as opposed to hodl) less value it has.

No. If you get a mass adoption of 10x its current active base you increase market liquidity as well. And those who like to manage their bitcoins themselves will spend some and keep some. This will make bitcoin a more powerful means of payment and a safer way to store value. Even those who buy bitcoins just to take advantage of special offers will spend 90-99% of their coins but probably not 100%, if the numbers are big enough this all adds up. Not to mention that those who only spend 90-99% will know that they have some coins left and that will help keeping them interested.



198. Post 9910006 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

And the slaughter continues....



199. Post 9912559 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):


Don't know if it's a repost but I found a nice christmas read:


http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/12/21/why-bitcoins-erratic-price-doesnt-matter/




200. Post 9920685 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

$58 excluding HW,



201. Post 9920689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: findftp on December 23, 2014, 01:36:05 AM
you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?




If you buy HW now it won't pay itself back before the next gen of machines are available.

Edit: + electricity prices vary alot. People in countries like Germany, the Benelux countries and many others have turned off their machines by now.

http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/average-electricity-prices-kwh

I pay 4 cents/kwh

Edit 2: I double checked, it's actually less than 4 cents.



202. Post 9920970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

It looks like bitmains antpool is exploding with new mining farms based on their new antminer s5. I guess we will get a difficulty increase after all.



203. Post 9921050 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: criptix on December 23, 2014, 02:23:48 AM
so we now at bitcoin mining cost of 100$ from miners need to dump 3600 coins asap everyday to cover their cost?  Shocked

$100 is just electricity. Large mining farms have other overhead costs and often the cost of capital to worry about as well. If they did their maths at $600 and were expecting $850-$1200, they be dumping like a mofo.



204. Post 9924180 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.40h):

Quote from: fewcoins on December 23, 2014, 03:53:39 AM
It looks like bitmains antpool is exploding with new mining farms based on their new antminer s5. I guess we will get a difficulty increase after all.

When?! Looks like we keep going down down down... hopefully the price doesn't!!!

If you look at both the hashrate and the blockchain 4d-48h-24h charts you will se an increase in their share that is outside of what one would expect from pure luck and coincides with the launch of their new more power efficient s5 machines. Of course, I could be wrong.



205. Post 9924696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: tarmi on December 23, 2014, 12:02:23 PM
It looks like bitmains antpool is exploding with new mining farms based on their new antminer s5. I guess we will get a difficulty increase after all.

When?! Looks like we keep going down down down... hopefully the price doesn't!!!

If you look at both the hashrate and the blockchain 4d-48h-24h charts you will se an increase in their share that is outside of what one would expect from pure luck and coincides with the launch of their new more power efficient s5 machines. Of course, I could be wrong.


you are wrong.

mining phase of GAW scamcoin is over, everybody back to btc.

Qe?



206. Post 9925433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Friar Tuck goes on ignore



207. Post 9925450 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

anti-Semite as well



208. Post 9925731 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: Ultros on December 23, 2014, 02:53:47 PM
And I thought this thread couldn't get any worse...

There's an unusually high density of trolls.



209. Post 9926778 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: findftp on December 23, 2014, 05:05:44 PM
wow...

price was stable at 333 and there is volume to back it up.    Grin Grin Grin

keep it up bitcoiners... keep it 333  until next halving.    Cheesy

Would not be surprised when it ends up being the avarage price until next halving.
I see (crystal ball!) it floating around between 200 and 500.

New year, new opportunities and fresh new gorgeous money hitting the exchanges. Bitcoin will rise again!



210. Post 9927343 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: sherbyspark on December 23, 2014, 06:11:32 PM
Looks like the highest for today.
Good to see it come back up.

It's OK I guess. But I would prefer to see it tripled. That would make me a happy camper.



Merry Christmas!!!




211. Post 9927832 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: arklan on December 23, 2014, 06:49:46 PM
For the record, our relationship is entirely Platonic.  Well, slightly Plutonic now.

*shrug* what you do is between you and the people you do it with.

shit, i know married couples who have a girlfriend they share... hurts my head even trying to comprehend it, but works for them.

Sounds like a lot of work. I don't have the administrative skills to manage something like that.



212. Post 9928287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: findftp on December 23, 2014, 07:40:39 PM
Can someone please call me a moron.
I just dumped all my loose BTC at the exchange.

Dammit. I hate this.

Be mindful of the Force young Padawan. Hate leads to fear, fear leads to blablablabl... can't remember what it was.



213. Post 9929634 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: Richy_T on December 23, 2014, 10:34:41 PM
And I thought this thread couldn't get any worse...

There's an unusually high density of trolls of an unusually high density.

FTFY Smiley

Thank you



214. Post 9937211 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

oh...no...the sky...is...falling.........when..will...it...end?........oh, it already did.


Back to watching cheesy x-mas movies.



215. Post 9944766 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 25, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Buffett is a dinosaur, he's too old to appreciate a new way of money.

Buffett is extremely wealthy because he is extremely good at what he does. And one of the main reasons is because he knows what he understands and stays away from what he doesn't understand. Just look at how he has spoken about Google. He sees that they have shot up over the last decade and a bit but he still won't invest in it because he doesn't see how they will make money in five years time. That kind of thinking will make you a lot of money. But he is an investor. And those who make money in Bitcoin are speculators. Bitcoin is a gamble. Some of us might think we have figured it out, but in the end it's a gamble.



216. Post 9945629 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 25, 2014, 10:04:01 PM
Buffett is a dinosaur, he's too old to appreciate a new way of money.

Buffett is extremely wealthy because he is extremely good at what he does. And one of the main reasons is because he knows what he understands and stays away from what he doesn't understand. Just look at how he has spoken about Google. He sees that they have shot up over the last decade and a bit but he still won't invest in it because he doesn't see how they will make money in five years time. That kind of thinking will make you a lot of money. But he is an investor. And those who make money in Bitcoin are speculators. Bitcoin is a gamble. Some of us might think we have figured it out, but in the end it's a gamble.

I accept that BTC is a gamble

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to insinuate that you didn't understand this. I am just saying Buffett knows what he's doing. He is just playing a different game. I can agree with him being too conservative. But that is what has made him rich.



217. Post 9950336 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: macsga on December 26, 2014, 04:57:38 PM
Clearly LambTroll has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what a damped oscillation is or how it may be implemented into a chaotic system. Also, he's using straw man paradigms -all the time- presenting false evidence, that conform his straw man theories, according to his will with only one goal: To occupy space in this thread and to add noise. Please don't fall into his trap. Just press ignore and let him live in oblivion.

AND PLEASE DON'T QUOTE THE TROLLZ!

Then perhaps you should stop quoting him.



218. Post 9950868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

This thread is remarkable, not only because of the amount of trolls but also for the inability of the rest to ignore those trolls. Come to think of it, that is probably why there are so many of them.



219. Post 9951265 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: ErnieX on December 26, 2014, 06:31:28 PM
This thread is remarkable, not only because of the amount of trolls but also for the inability of the rest to ignore those trolls. Come to think of it, that is probably why there are so many of them.

Right you just proven yourself to be part of one of those two groups, at least you failed to ignore.
 

Well, I was right then.



220. Post 9959373 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: macsga on December 27, 2014, 06:06:29 PM
We all must listen to LambTroll.
We must sell all our coins and buy dollars.
We must entrust our hopes to the Banks.
Because it's SAFE!




To be fair macsga, Greece wasn't screwed over by the banks. You were screwed over by the lying politicians you kept electing. If the greeks would care a bit more about clean governance and fighting corruption then the euro wouldn't be pounding you from behind as much.



221. Post 9965401 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: cbeast on December 28, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
It was funny.

vey funy



222. Post 9966135 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: jertsy on December 28, 2014, 03:59:41 PM
do you guys think it is a good idea  to sell all my 200btc for ripple Undecided

will ripple replace bitcoin soon?


I would say trust nobody, do your own research, and make up your own mind.

+ it's probably the only thing riskier than having all your spare cash in bitcoin. Buffett recommends S&P500 Vanguard but I think I would do some research first. The market is not very safe right now.



223. Post 9973887 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.41h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 29, 2014, 12:06:35 PM
What is wrong with you people?

Now is the time to buy.

Now is the time to pretend you care about your family. It's the time to shut up about Bitcoin or your wife will kill you (at least to her). Volume will come when people jump on that "get rich quick" scheme they heard about during the holidays. TO DA SECOND LAGRANGE POINT!!!



224. Post 9974530 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: Bagatell on December 29, 2014, 01:17:00 PM
TO DA SECOND LAGRANGE POINT!!!

I can haz L5?

I think it's at L5 now, ie. Lost in Space.



225. Post 9975031 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: Bagatell on December 29, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
TO DA SECOND LAGRANGE POINT!!!

I can haz L5?

I think it's at L5 now, ie. Lost in Space.

in a self sustaining orbit  Smiley

lol



226. Post 10021946 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: Eddie Brock on January 03, 2015, 12:24:03 PM
Nice start, gentlemen. 2015 looks like a fun year



Schadenfreude seems to be in vogue again



227. Post 10022655 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: Silverspoon on January 03, 2015, 12:45:25 PM
Nice start, gentlemen. 2015 looks like a fun year



Schadenfreude seems to be in vogue again

It's delicious.  Bulltards behaved like bulltards, payback's a bitch Smiley

Are everyone in this thread five years old?



228. Post 10022694 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: Eddie Brock on January 03, 2015, 01:14:21 PM
Schadenfreude seems to be in vogue again

What makes you think that I get pleasure out of the misery of btc permabulls? cheap coins are good for them, aren't they?


I'm just happy for them. lol

I can feel the love



229. Post 10022726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: findftp on January 03, 2015, 01:31:12 PM
Lol, all those bears turning bull.
We just began with forming the bottom.
Be patient.

We at least have to go through 282 and form a temporary bottom for a few days.
After that we go to unknown places, I bet at least below 250, who knows how far.
But the good part is, it's the last bottom. It's only up after that, that means moon.

Because reasons????



230. Post 10022883 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on January 03, 2015, 02:16:02 PM
This epic shakeout will continue until every weak hand is bled out and the fear is palpable. Who knows how long it will last. But rest assured that, when the tide turns, those of us that held on (or bought more) will reap the rewards.


Alan Davies: "We will see who is right. Just look at Da Vinci, a lot of people called him a nutter back in his days."
Stephen Fry: "They said that about a lot of idiots as well."


We don't need shakeouts. We need millions and billions of weak hands to go mainstream. We need growth in all directions. Just face it, this is a bad day.



231. Post 10022993 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.42h):

Quote from: galdur on January 03, 2015, 02:36:12 PM
When short selling the product for a year makes much more

sense than the production itself I guess you run out of

bankers fairly soon, right ?

It is not the best math to present to one of those guys with short hair, glasses and a pen in is shirt-pocket. "So prices are in free fall and output decreases with 3-25% a month? I'm sorry, but I can't take this to the man upstairs."



232. Post 10026416 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

It just keeps falling. And I don't see any reason why it would stop. Why would anyone buy this other than covering shorts? It can't even compete with Western Union with these drops.



233. Post 10026517 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

And soon the majority of the network will officially be controlled by China. How comforting.

https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=48hrs



234. Post 10030179 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: kenji on January 04, 2015, 03:31:36 AM
the bottom is in Cool

I think you meant to say: the bottom is clenched Cool



235. Post 10030284 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: shmadz on January 04, 2015, 03:43:10 AM
the bottom is in Cool

I think you meant to say: the bottom is clenched Cool

Virtex has 20 coins available at the equivalent of less that 260 USD each right now.

There is some serious selling pressure going on and it smells awfully fishy to me.


I meant a different bottom



236. Post 10030510 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: kenji on January 04, 2015, 04:19:48 AM
sold all my 180 btc at 278 hope i am not regret it Undecided

It's ... gutsy? If it stays above 275 it might bounce back. If it goes below 275 chances are that it will keep dropping. I might be way off, but right now I believe we are waiting to see if we can confirm a bottom at 275-280. A strange time to make such a decision. Best of luck to you!



237. Post 10030780 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: kenji on January 04, 2015, 05:06:52 AM
is it better to buy back now?

Find someone you trust that can help you write down a plan, then stick to it.



238. Post 10030819 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 04, 2015, 05:22:14 AM
Most of the bitcoiners are absent. They're probably heading to Vegas for the World of Bitcoin.

What are we? Chopped liver? Tongue

"...with some fava beans and a nice chianti”



239. Post 10032646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

The bounce is too weak, this mofo is going down again.



240. Post 10032670 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: LOBSTER on January 04, 2015, 10:45:30 AM
The bounce is too weak, this mofo is going down again.

Keep calm and wait Cheesy


For what?



241. Post 10032820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: LOBSTER on January 04, 2015, 10:51:20 AM
The bounce is too weak, this mofo is going down again.

Keep calm and wait Cheesy


For what?

For the run of the bulls.

Or what are you waiting for?

I am waiting for being wrong and seeing the price jump up fourfold.



242. Post 10034433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Where is Tim Draper and those Winklewoss guys when you need them?????

They need to launch this SUCKER!!!!!!



243. Post 10034467 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: serpicodk on January 04, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
I have this feeling of satisfaction, as all of these delusional morons who were saying on every bounce we will not see 700's 600's ant so on till 300's again, can suck it up now.

Hold din kæft, din fede gris!

Can't you see we're bleeding here?!?



244. Post 10034738 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: outahere on January 04, 2015, 02:31:09 PM
I started buying at 263. Bearwhale is about to get slaughtered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nozj1qjfl7w#t=69



245. Post 10034776 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: LOBSTER on January 04, 2015, 02:37:39 PM
once upon a time 600$ bitcoin was called a cheap coin

Yes and @ 700$ too.

If I see anyone ask for cheaper coins again I am going to DDOS their local public lavatories.



246. Post 10034803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 04, 2015, 02:41:49 PM
Forgive my naivety but I HODL, I don't trade.
Who is selling all of these coins, is it another bearwhale or just a shit load of individuals panicing about the price & selling all of their bags.

Now? Both...



247. Post 10034916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

@kenji did you buy back in?



248. Post 10035245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: YourMother on January 04, 2015, 03:09:17 PM


From what i see, Marinecoin is the only one to have a chance at mass adoption.

Explains why Litecoin and RIPple people have been so quiet through all this.



249. Post 10035328 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: podyx on January 04, 2015, 03:27:07 PM
If I wouldn't have missclicked my sell order for buy order, I would have made a solid kilo today...

Why didn't you just sell again?



250. Post 10035361 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: findftp on January 04, 2015, 03:27:08 PM
I'm starting to sweat.

Let's count my coins.
...
...
...
Pfew, still as many as 2 hours ago.
The world is still turning, the sun is shining. Let's take a walk outside and clear my mind.


You lucky b@st@rd! The sun won't shine where I'm at before the 21st of January. It is gloomy as f***!!!



251. Post 10035488 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: podyx on January 04, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
If I wouldn't have missclicked my sell order for buy order, I would have made a solid kilo today...

Why didn't you just sell again?

Because it dropped a few dollars when I bought so I wanted to sell it at the level which I bought but that price never came

And the orders I set up trying to sell after that missed by a few cents all of them... Roll Eyes

This reminds me of that part in Obamas inauguration speech when he thought americans invented the car. Massive brain, but not immune to brain farts.



252. Post 10035570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on January 04, 2015, 03:42:11 PM
I'm scared. Hodl me.

I can HODL you thight and say that this is sort of starting to look like a reverse bubble. If this Anvil stops to sink there's a mountain of shorts that needs to be covered.

PS! I am not good at trading but I am The Boss!!! at rationalizing.



253. Post 10035942 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on January 04, 2015, 04:18:42 PM
I hope some people in Sweden Data Center are getting their asses fcked

Nope, they made a ton of money in 2014 and they got cheaper electricity than most. They will unfortunately ride the downturn comfortably.



254. Post 10036090 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

And the bounce is led by ... BTC-E? That doesn't look like a trap AT ALL!



255. Post 10036157 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: micky123 on January 04, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
It is extremely difficult to predict a bottom, i am also surprised as to why BTC is crashing. I would have thought that after the holiday season, buying pressure would resume which would push the price up. The opposite seems to be happening and i cant seem to understand why! Even the so - called gurus are clueless. I guess i am gonna ride this out. The money i invested in my 2 BTC was something that i could afford to lose. It would have been nice to make a profit, but well... you win some, you lose some i suppose! I am so into crypto now that i cannot imagine a world without it, but if BTC continues this slide, we may soon hit a stage when crypto would be worthless or would just become like a hobby, like collecting stamps and physical coins! Sad.


The holiday effect happens, among other things, because people meet to talk to new people during the holidays. And I guess the story this holiday was the shorting opportunity of the century, not some new tech miracle. And it being awarded the price of "the only currency worse than the rouble" is not exactly rocket fuel either.



256. Post 10036242 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

BTC-E at $277



257. Post 10036326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: podyx on January 04, 2015, 04:55:30 PM
Had sell order on $273.5 and pulled it in the last second

FOR FUCKS SAKE... always this same shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScGPRsHSkaE



258. Post 10036402 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.43h):

Quote from: zoinky on January 04, 2015, 05:09:22 PM
Everybody Panic!!!  Grin

You're a bit late to the party.



259. Post 10039440 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: findftp on January 04, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
Well, since day one 1234562345546536546754345% price increase, so you're wrong about that.
?

In a few weeks perma-bulls be like:



"haha bear trolls BTC price is still at $50! more than X500 since its inception!!! already going for $65 prepare for moonshot  Cool"



There is a very small chance we go below 180 this month.
And by that, I don't mean I encourage the price to drop that much Smiley

It can go far below that. The main problem is that there are way more abusive turds out there than people with a genuine interest in Bitcoin succeeding. So if they can short Bitcoin to oblivion, why wouldn't they?



260. Post 10039552 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on January 04, 2015, 10:38:36 PM
What is it exactly, that drives the price down?

What about everyone who said more adoption will lead to a price increase. I guess that's not the way it is.

I like to think this quote is relevant: "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent"

Yeah, market's been irrational for about 2 years.

I remember when bitcoin was $1.50 and i didnt know what the value was.

Today is at $260 and i still dont know what the value is.

Figure its somewhere between $.0025 and $1100.00

Fair value atm is between $750 and $880. But life ain't fair.



261. Post 10039696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 04, 2015, 10:54:24 PM
We will hold strong at 250. For the next few days or weeks....then it's an uptrend for the rest of the year. MARK MY POST.

I'd love it if you were right, however....



262. Post 10039805 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 04, 2015, 10:57:21 PM
We will hold strong at 250. For the next few days or weeks....then it's an uptrend for the rest of the year. MARK MY POST.

I'd love it if you were right, however....

Have faith neo

I don't know if you know the name of the song in that movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJbqKLcCjp4#t=355

It feels appropriate.



263. Post 10039886 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on January 04, 2015, 11:05:51 PM
so I should deposit more BTC to bitfinex or not  Huh

Very bullish. I'm gonna toss another 25k at it tmr morning when my bank opens

No offense, just trying to stay objective, but i don't think it actually looks very bullish for many people...for old timers and some real believers maybe, but for the average Joe this looks like fricking bloodbath...

Depends on what you think btc is worth

nope, it doesn't



264. Post 10039899 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 04, 2015, 11:13:31 PM
so I should deposit more BTC to bitfinex or not  Huh

Very bullish. I'm gonna toss another 25k at it tmr morning when my bank opens

No offense, just trying to stay objective, but i don't think it actually looks very bullish for many people...for old timers and some real believers maybe, but for the average Joe this looks like fricking bloodbath...

Depends on what you think btc is worth


I know what you're saying. People need to really think outside of the box. Don't listen to the media. What does your gut tell you about Bitcoin?..I have become successful in many areas of my life through spiritual guidance and mediation. It's not a bloodbath. The price is being pushed down on purpose by a someone or a group of people. They are making It more affordable for everyday people to hop on board. With the Russian ruble collapse and the world on the brink of another war. There is no better time for Bitcoin. Bitcoin is here for a reason. There are much larger forces at work here. We are all apart of the forum because we were guided here by our destiny. For some reason we are more aware of things than everyday people. So in turn I believe we will be very wealthy in the coming years. There are only a handfull of people who will get rich off of Bitcoin. But that wealth will help re stimulate growth into a stale united states economy and help propell us into a new Era much like the Internet did. Most people won't buy into bitcoin until it's too late to get rich. Because they are still stuck in the Matrix to some extent. Stay calm my friends and meditate.

[Crap! It's official, Bitcoin is going to die]



265. Post 10039952 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on January 04, 2015, 11:07:25 PM
Difficulty at 340ph   already at the upper end of my prediction 3 days ago.

Lots of new Antminer S5s on the network, mainly in Bitmains data centers. But if the price continues this way I think difficulty will start stagnating again. Not to mention the possible delay or mothballing of new 14nm/16nm finfet machines. People have bills to pay, networked super computers can't live on just love and good intentions.



266. Post 10040040 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on January 04, 2015, 11:25:47 PM
Difficulty at 340ph   already at the upper end of my prediction 3 days ago.

Lots of new Antminer S5s on the network, mainly in Bitmains data centers. But if the price continues this way I think difficulty will start stagnating again. Not to mention the possible delay or mothballing of new 14nm/16nm finfet machines. People have bills to pay, networked super computers can't live on just love and good intentions.


Discusfish is the biggest pool now.

I would think at least 10000-15000 s5 came on board and then spondoolies cranking it up too

Discus seems to have captured a lot from other ailing giants like Ghash.io and BTCGuild. Antpool has sprung up from naught to second place in no time. I am somewhat worried when I see most of the network being controlled by chinese pools. The chinese government isn't shy when it comes to meddling and they don't take no for an answer.



267. Post 10040312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 04, 2015, 11:45:13 PM
The next 24 hours will determine the future of crypto currency for the next decade.


Real talk bro. Someone with there head working thank god

Is that sarcasm or u really believe in God? Cheesy

Doesn't matter what I believe or don't believe. My point was that these are very critical times indeed. We are very lucky to be apart of this. I really do believe Bitcoin is headed somewhere great. Some see it. Some dont. Some will soon. You'll see...just ..wait.

Funny to see that at least one thing came true from the dystopic sci-fi movies of the 70s and 80s: Techno-Mysticism



268. Post 10040327 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: kenji on January 05, 2015, 12:03:08 AM


So, do you feel good about selling at $278?



269. Post 10040354 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: kenji on January 05, 2015, 12:13:00 AM


So, do you feel good about selling at $278?

why not?

Sorry,
[sarcasm=off]
There you go.

So, do you feel good about selling at $278?



270. Post 10040373 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on January 05, 2015, 12:13:20 AM
Will Monday be bullish ?

My 8-ball says this:


I only have two balls, and they have retracted into my body these last hours so I can't give you a confirmation on that one.



271. Post 10040393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: kenji on January 05, 2015, 12:16:35 AM

Sorry,
[sarcasm=off]
There you go.

So, do you feel good about selling at $278?


 a chinabearwhale is bound to come out soon

And if it's a bullwhale you can just buy in again. No harm done.



272. Post 10040473 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: elasticband on January 05, 2015, 12:33:34 AM
Monday morning cheap china coins incoming

Or Bitcoin-hungry chinese people



273. Post 10040558 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 05, 2015, 12:40:28 AM
bought back at 270 Smiley

i think it is time da mooon

kenji you so crazy Cheesy

And he had done so well



274. Post 10040642 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: kenji on January 05, 2015, 12:50:10 AM
prepare you for the incoming monster pump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kiss

Melchett: 'If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.'




275. Post 10044436 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: molecular on January 05, 2015, 11:09:23 AM
I suffered a pretty bad cold the last 2-3 days.

Not sure if bitcoin price follows my health or the other way around.

I'm feeling a bit better today. Looking forward to tomorrow.


Good enough for me.

TO DA MOON!!!



276. Post 10044542 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: spud21 on January 05, 2015, 11:18:35 AM
I suffered a pretty bad cold the last 2-3 days.

Not sure if bitcoin price follows my health or the other way around.

I'm feeling a bit better today. Looking forward to tomorrow.


Good enough for me.

TO DA MOON!!!

Some TA expert claimed the moon affected bitcoin traders and the price, which I thought was bullshit. I noticed it was a full moon last night. Bitcoin crashed to a new low and Bitstamp got hacked! It's just a coincidence, right?

Superstition is very real. Especially now that chinese traders are such a big part of the Bitcoin economy. It is not that individual traders are superstitious, nor really that everyone thinks that everyone else is superstitious. But a lot of traders, especially in China, believes that other traders believes that most of the other traders are superstitious. It turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. So keeping up with superstitions can pay off sometimes.



277. Post 10044569 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: ndnhc on January 05, 2015, 11:23:49 AM
I suffered a pretty bad cold the last 2-3 days.

Not sure if bitcoin price follows my health or the other way around.

I'm feeling a bit better today. Looking forward to tomorrow.


Did you have HIV for the whole of 2014?

Whatever happens, make sure you don't get Ebola. Wink

Well, you saw what happened. The second someone from a western country had got it, it turned out that they had vaccines and cures up the wazoo. So, make sure you're not black in Africa when you get Ebola. Otherwise you'll be fine.



278. Post 10044634 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: halinyo on January 05, 2015, 11:34:12 AM
Is this true ?

"ITSTAMP SERVICE TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED We have reason to believe that one of Bitstamp’s operational wallets was compromised on January 4th, 2015. As a security precaution against compromises Bitstamp only maintains a small fraction of customer bitcoins in online systems. Bitstamp maintains more than....."

I saw it on their webpage so if it's not true then they are REALLY in a heap of shit.



279. Post 10044709 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: halinyo on January 05, 2015, 11:42:49 AM
Is this true ?

"ITSTAMP SERVICE TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED We have reason to believe that one of Bitstamp’s operational wallets was compromised on January 4th, 2015. As a security precaution against compromises Bitstamp only maintains a small fraction of customer bitcoins in online systems. Bitstamp maintains more than....."

I saw it on their webpage so if it's not true then they are REALLY in a heap of shit.

If this is a hack of 18k BTC, bitstamp is in a huge trouble....
I suggest those in bitstamp to spend their BTC and get out of there ASAP.

Also, this can be an insider hack, like sending those customer's coins to an address and announce it as hacked and say sorry!!!
In today's world, this is very possible....

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Gox smelled fishy for almost a year before they burst. It would take people months to get fiat out of the exchange and they kept blaming regulatory obstacles that none of the other exchanges had heard of. This with Bitstamp looks like a precautionary measure to ensure that there will be no more Goxing.



280. Post 10044738 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on January 05, 2015, 11:44:06 AM
Need to say... I'm impresed there was no panic on other exchanges (yet)  Smiley

If this means Bitstamp customers can't dump their coins then the market can get some time to stabilize before stamp is back. It might even rise. Unless the FUDsters get ahead with their message of course.



281. Post 10045074 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on January 05, 2015, 12:00:01 PM

Explanation


ROFL!!!!!!!



282. Post 10045152 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

FUDster alert level: RED



283. Post 10047596 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: LechKaczynski on January 05, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
i laugh to the face people who bought for +1000$ Cheesy

Well, you're clearly an asshole then.



284. Post 10047642 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: outahere on January 05, 2015, 04:49:49 PM
I would say that these thefts will happen again. What we need are ATMs that are hack proof like Trezors. Bitcoin needs to focus on being an impenetrable iron vault that fits in your pocket. Only licensed brokers should be allowed to trade bitcoins on the markets although you are free to use the ATMs as a convenience.

That sort of goes against everything Bitcoin is supposed to be. But if some exchanges start adopting a clear cut standard that can be checked by third parties, people can use those if they want the added security.



285. Post 10049678 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: outahere on January 05, 2015, 05:00:20 PM
I would say that these thefts will happen again. What we need are ATMs that are hack proof like Trezors. Bitcoin needs to focus on being an impenetrable iron vault that fits in your pocket. Only licensed brokers should be allowed to trade bitcoins on the markets although you are free to use the ATMs as a convenience.

That sort of goes against everything Bitcoin is supposed to be. But if some exchanges start adopting a clear cut standard that can be checked by third parties, people can use those if they want the added security.
Exchanges have little to do with trade. Fiat exchanges are robbed every day (fraud, HFT, more fraud), but we don't hear about it because they just print more money. Bitcoin doesn't need 24/7 exchanges, do you? Bitcoin needs to be known as indestructible. You can't do that with networked servers.

Bitcoin is a global decentralized virtual currency, how are you going to enforce such restrictions? The one country that doesn't wanna, will be the hub for Bitcoin exchanges of all creeds. There will be massive, gaping loopholes. And as we see, there are plenty of people ready to take advantage of any weakness; to the detriment of the regular user. Most of the things we turn to regulation for in other systems can only be achieved with critical mass in Bitcoin.



286. Post 10049963 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: explorer on January 05, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Meanwhile, network hash rate accelerates upward  Tongue

Someone must have fallen and hit their head. I can't believe that many are still making money mining.  



287. Post 10050172 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: JerryCurlzzz on January 05, 2015, 08:30:03 PM
Meanwhile, network hash rate accelerates upward  Tongue

Someone must have fallen and hit their head. I can't believe that many are still making money mining.  

I think that well-positioned miners are still making very good money selling at this rate. Casual miners in the west -- not so much. But established miners with good access to new generation chips and cheap electricity (in China, etc), I believe can still be profitable. I remember seeing numbers thrown around, but cannot recall them now, though.

Yes, but a hundred dollar drop from a month ago when it was already tight. And now they are increasing hashrate? If the price doesn't bounce back hashrate will have to flatten again, if not fall. Not all of the network is in China, yet.



288. Post 10050321 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on January 05, 2015, 09:00:53 PM

we know it!

Stamp needs to get online and give us some numbers soon, or this mofo is going to sink like an anvil.



289. Post 10050549 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: findftp on January 05, 2015, 09:18:54 PM

Stamp needs to get online and give us some numbers soon, or this mofo is going to sink like an anvil.

I'm very happy to only have 0,07 BTC over there which I received for trading some worthless shit ripple I once got in the past for beta testing.
Since I had to verify I went to finex, fuck that shit.
I'm happy to trade on finex and btc-e

Never lost a coin on any exchange other than making mistakes with trading Smiley
Overall profit ofcourse

I don't give a sh#@$t about Bitstamp, but I would prefer that their implosion doesn't send Bitcoin further down the drain.



290. Post 10050612 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: Newbie1022 on January 05, 2015, 09:24:19 PM
Market is being buoyed by Coinbase buyers switching to BFX and/or just somebody trying to put a floor under this. That said, the bottom is clearly about to fall out. Mining has accelerated so that miners can get new coins and sell them at this price before the price falls to the single digits. Then it dies. The end. Nothing else to say. The s--- has just died. Period. Death.

Enjoy the bloody sharts over the next few days.



... ?

That makes no sense whatsoever.



291. Post 10050673 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: findftp on January 05, 2015, 09:27:27 PM
I don't give a sh#@$t about Bitstamp, but I would prefer that their implosion doesn't send Bitcoin further down the drain.


Why not? Cheap coins Grin Grin
I mean, bitcoin won't die does it? Please,... tell me it won't die.
please
please
please!

Wink

Bitcoin won't die, but it will be a lot less useful. The infrastructure around it will probably die. And I respect you too much to tell you where you can shove your cheap coins.



292. Post 10050759 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: kenji on January 05, 2015, 09:40:27 PM
do you think it is better to change in ripple/altcoins?

They are dying faster than Bitcoin. If Bitcoin has no value then the altcoins definitely has no value.



293. Post 10050777 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: ZephramC on January 05, 2015, 09:43:06 PM
I don't give a sh#@$t about Bitstamp, but I would prefer that their implosion doesn't send Bitcoin further down the drain.


Why not? Cheap coins Grin Grin
I mean, bitcoin won't die does it? Please,... tell me it won't die.
please
please
please!

Wink

Bitcoin won't die, but it will be a lot less useful. The infrastructure around it will probably die. And I respect you too much to tell you where you can shove your cheap coins.

Bitcoin will finally separate from fiat, will become much more useful, and its price in USD will have no significance.

Although I have said "TO DA MOON!!!" quite a lot myself as well, I don't actually live on the moon; yet. Until then, fiat matters.



294. Post 10051355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

If the Bitcoin economy survives we are going to have the toughest security systems on the planet. Stress-testing of banking systems? Blah! Try doing anything in bitcoin and you will see how tiny your nuts are.



295. Post 10051484 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: bizz on January 05, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
Bitstamp Claims Roughly 19,000 BTC Lost in Hot Wallet Hack

http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-claims-roughly-19000-btc-lost-hot-wallet-hack

So it was true, still not a huge blow.

Nejc handled it well. Hope they learn something out of it.

Mind providing the source from where the statement initially came from?
Stan Higgins @Coindesk

Weird silence from stamp. Statement to journalist speaks to me they were pressed for answers.

If you're having security issues you might want to wait till they are all plugged before you tell the world about them in full.



296. Post 10051885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 05, 2015, 11:22:16 PM
I don't give a sh#@$t about Bitstamp, but I would prefer that their implosion doesn't send Bitcoin further down the drain.


Why not? Cheap coins Grin Grin
I mean, bitcoin won't die does it? Please,... tell me it won't die.
please
please
please!

Wink

Bitcoin won't die, but it will be a lot less useful. The infrastructure around it will probably die. And I respect you too much to tell you where you can shove your cheap coins.

Bitcoin will finally separate from fiat, will become much more useful, and its price in USD will have no significance.

Although I have said "TO DA MOON!!!" quite a lot myself as well, I don't actually live on the moon; yet. Until then, fiat matters.

sheesh thats one dumb ass comment after another...
But something was missing, thank you for bringing the Mojo we needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeNY-_Jo6oQ



297. Post 10051994 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: coinableS on January 05, 2015, 11:47:06 PM
news just in GOX coin now trading on bitstamp


what the f*ck next?

Microsoft adopts ->> price goes down
Paypal adopts ->> price goes down
NY Regulation ->> price goes down
...
...
Bitstamp Goxxed --> someone CCMFs Bitfinex.

Go figure... Grin

I've seen this many times but I still don't know what it means...

CCMF?? Anybody?


Choo Choo Mother Fuckers? You know, a train.



298. Post 10052050 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: chopstick on January 05, 2015, 11:56:24 PM
Hey guys, bitstamp got haxxed, did you hear?!?!   Smiley

No, please tell. Nobody here heard anything.



299. Post 10052147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: macsga on January 05, 2015, 11:59:41 PM
Hey guys, bitstamp got haxxed, did you hear?!?!   Smiley
QUICK!!!!1
CUT YOUR SHOTRS!!!!1



Is that a picture from Greece? How the hell did you go bankrupt?



300. Post 10052252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: maranello1561 on January 06, 2015, 12:16:00 AM
Hey guys, bitstamp got haxxed, did you hear?!?!   Smiley
QUICK!!!!1
CUT YOUR SHOTRS!!!!1



Is that a picture from Greece? How the hell did you go bankrupt?

We didn't cut our shotrs... Grin

Not much space left to cut the shotrs at this point Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msQPHxTUgzI



301. Post 10052519 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: pjviitas on January 06, 2015, 12:44:29 AM
If this happened in the real world it would be serious but its a Bitcoin Exchange so everyone just sits tight like its normal.

It is normal. Heck! It's a bloody tradition by now.



302. Post 10055896 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: LechKaczynski on January 06, 2015, 09:56:05 AM
you guys lose money first on mt.gox, than you lose money second time on stamp, how many more times you need to lose money to learn that online exchanges are scam to take out your money? you can quote me on next exchange scam.

Is this turd lambie or a new breed of turds?



303. Post 10056115 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: outahere on January 06, 2015, 10:31:12 AM
So is there a rational explanation for what's happened here?

1. 19k coins have been stolen from stamp (how?) and were sold forcing the market to unprecedented lows.
2. Stamp has to buy these coins back.
3. Stamp is pulling a potential gox and is insolvent?

What's going on?
I think this was a timed incident to make Bitcoin look bad for World of Bitcoin. Stamp is very unlikely culpable.

Cut off the head and the body will die. It is not unimaginable that Kreml or Berlin had something to do with this. But I fear it's a couple of geeks in Bratislava or Sofia who now can retire at the age of 33.



304. Post 10056146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: dakota neat on January 06, 2015, 10:35:59 AM
I don't think the stamp thing will make much of an impact on the price. They handled it in a professional manner so far and the loss is manageable. After Gox nobody is suprised that this things could happen.

Banks have security breaches regularly. I hope stamp learns from this, but they are still probably the most competent in the field.



305. Post 10056834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on January 06, 2015, 11:57:16 AM
it is me or bears are starting to feel uneasy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRKhTvUUYMI

I fear that the only thing they worry about is that they can only drag this mofo $276 more down. They will never have another 2014.



306. Post 10057055 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: grappa_barricata on January 06, 2015, 12:09:15 PM
it is me or bears are starting to feel uneasy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRKhTvUUYMI

I fear that the only thing they worry about is that they can only drag this mofo $276 more down. They will never have another 2014.

You still short fatman? That is so 5 January Smiley
I don't short and I don't trade.



307. Post 10057371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: podyx on January 06, 2015, 12:40:50 PM
new zhou tonged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEBP9dpVM70&feature=em-uploademail

Oh God, Bitcoin is dying!!!



308. Post 10057615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on January 06, 2015, 01:12:14 PM

Lol! Is there something significant about the age of the dancers? Is that how old we all gonna be by next bubble?  :D

There will be no more bubbles, people have learnt by now. For the next 3 years we will have a steady growth to $50000 and the Winklevosses will be made King and President of Euro-America and start the final war against the capitalist/commie Sinorussians for attempting to manipulate the price of Bitcoin.

God this is boring. Where is the Choo Choo???



309. Post 10060355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: empowering on January 06, 2015, 04:51:31 PM
What on earth is going on with the influx of trolls,  it is beyond a joke.

Thread is totally fucked.

Cannot even see why the trolls bother, they are just trolling eachother.

Absolute freaks.


the fear must be great with those...

Well,  it only makes sense under one light, I cannot believe even disturbed mental patients would spend this much time and effort, all I know is that the forum should take control, filter newbie troll accounts etc. There is a market out there to replace this thread with one that is actually readable. Personally I am going to replace this thread with weekly attendance at btc meet-up, like to see one of these trolls turn up there and start behaving like twats to my face, they would receive my boot in their bollox tbh

Much freedom of speech , no restriction such bitcoin community
End much government control , such same , amazing violence.

Freedom of speech is fine, act like a crazy intrusive lunatic,  taking the absolute piss, and basically do not expect anything but a reasoned boot in the bollox... I suggest you go down to the local pub and run around shouting bullshit in people's faces and see where it gets you... But no, it's more you guys style to twat around hiding behind a keyboard like frightened cowards. Absolute numpties.

Much dislike for anonymity you have little bitcoindawan...such shame to see you using so much violence.

But wait , speaking about how you would do that and that to any troll in real life, that much remind me of an amazing keyboard warrior. Falllling in the same pattern you are , the trolling in strong in you.

Yeah yeah, whatever mate I am perfectly happy with who and what I am... And yeah if you were behaving like an absolute jackass to my face,  in person, then one of us would be in trouble,  no doubt about that sunshine.

Just a pity retards like you won't fuck off and stop trolling the absolute shit out of this thread, is my point, and frankly I am not wasting my time with a troll fuckwit like you any longer. So on you go.



Typical, trolls bitching about freedom of speech and the right for anonymity every time someone calls them out on their shit behavior. Large mouths, fast runners is what we say about them where I come from.



310. Post 10060365 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 06, 2015, 05:31:12 PM
I told you all bitcoin had no underlying value, but did you listen? Of course not. A fool and his money.

Invest in low cost index funds. It's not pretty, but this slow growth is the key to wealth. Do you think I was born a billionaire? No. You need to *loose money before you know how to make money. Hopefully you *learned your lessons good and will make wise *decision from now on.

*lose
*learnt
*decisions


Nobody illiterate ever became a self made billionaire.


Warren Buffert is not an Englishman, so I do not use "learnt". I also don't use colour or wear braces instead of suspenders.  Roll Eyes

What a looser...



 Grin Grin


So you wear suspenders?  Grin

I wear a mother fucking bull costume & I will be smoking a pipe, wearing a monocle soon gentlemen.

Please say it's true.Please say it's true.Please say it's true.Please say it's true.Please say it's true.



311. Post 10066122 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: Deadstock on January 07, 2015, 05:31:50 AM
I'll be happy at $300

I'll raise that to $750



312. Post 10066874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 07, 2015, 07:10:50 AM


what do you mean by "non-existent coins"?

I mean coins that were not ever mined but only existed as credits into an account at Bitstamp.

Like gox coins. I don't understand how everybody thinks gox pumped the price, when instead they were selling non existent coins en masse, Logic says this keeps the price down, because they were flooding the market with coins that were not there (naked short selling).

Gox coins did not pump the price. Mark Krapeles pumped the price only when his dishonest attempt to hide his lost coins resulted in him buying coins (via willy bot) to continue the ruse that he still had them and that MtGox was still solvent. This only drove up the price on Gox which is why there was the large price disparity between Gox and other exchanges. Why that guy isn't in jail yet is a mystery to me.

Incidentally, I got my coins out of Gox when the price disparity became suspiciously large. Just in time as it turns out. It's generally a good idea to play it safe whenever you smell funky kicks going down in the city.

Do you know what happened to that guy that sold real bitcoins for goxcoins towards the end?



313. Post 10066892 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):


Bitcoinwisdom removed stamp as their default. hmmm....



314. Post 10066967 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 07, 2015, 07:47:48 AM


Do you know what happened to that guy that sold real bitcoins for goxcoins towards the end?

from what I heard, the operator of the exchange ("Bitcoinbuilder" I think)traded all or most of his profits for gox coins and got wiped out when Gox took the big dirt nap.

That was the dumbest business idea ever! I know hindsight is 20/20, but we could all smell the stench of death by then.



315. Post 10071764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 07, 2015, 05:15:18 PM
i call 300 before friday

I kinda have that feeling too. Dont see a dump after goxstamp reopens Smiley
Prepare for the pump, here it comes Wink

Could reach 294$ in 2 hours, but IMO that will be a local top.



You mean that's what you want to happen?

I love it when people treat their own wants and wishes like serious and considered predictions.



316. Post 10072834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

THIS IS SPARTA!!!



317. Post 10074531 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: God Donut on January 07, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
I'm in a happy relationship with my hot japanese girlfriend. bitcoin is a laughing stock in japan, and they can't get enough of these forums either. I showed it to her family and they said, "there are still people buying these?" they couldn't believe it!



who is this? Satoshi himself?

OMG!

Satoshi! Lambie! Riceing!

They are the same person!



318. Post 10074712 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on January 07, 2015, 10:43:45 PM
If I say we'll have a retest of 300 within an hour and I'm right, will I become the next prophet of this thread?  Cool
(If I'm wrong, obviously nobody will remember anyway, people only remember those predictions that came true.)

That's not a very bold prediction, but you are welcome to be a prophet. We are all prophets in here. Predicting the price of Bitcoin is like sex and driving, we all think we are good at it.



319. Post 10074996 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on January 07, 2015, 11:04:01 PM
If I say we'll have a retest of 300 within an hour and I'm right, will I become the next prophet of this thread?  Cool
(If I'm wrong, obviously nobody will remember anyway, people only remember those predictions that came true.)

That's not a very bold prediction, but you are welcome to be a prophet. We are all prophets in here. Predicting the price of Bitcoin is like sex and driving, we all think we are good at it.

I have to say your last assumption is incorrect. I, for instance, do believe I'm good at sex but I'll never be a good driver for one simple reason: I'm a woman.  Cool
That's why I need bitcoin to rise to the moon - so that I can buy myself a car with a chauffeur included.

You just need the right footwear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u63Z0aj-XY



320. Post 10075062 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: coinableS on January 07, 2015, 11:33:37 PM
There's only one girl here, and that's bitcoinchick

Ahh the internet... where girls are actually fat guys and kids are actually the FBI.

Sounds like someone have had some bad luck at internet dating.



321. Post 10075147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on January 07, 2015, 11:47:04 PM
There's only one girl here, and that's bitcoinchick
Apparently not anymore. And didn't I see a post by someone called "karolina" today? Seems like a girl's name as well.
Ahh the internet... where girls are actually fat guys and kids are actually the FBI.
I'm not gonna fall for it and post my naked pictures to prove it.  Cool Just deal with it, there are women out there buying bitcoin and not willing to drive - the world is full of wonders.

In the meantime, though, seems we'll have to wait a bit more for a good retest. :/ I wasn't completely wrong, though - a minute after my post Bitfinex touched 300 for a sec, but I won't insist it counted. Wink

Back-paddling like a man though.



322. Post 10075336 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: bassclef on January 08, 2015, 12:12:08 AM
I say this is a reaccumulation/bullflag before another test of $300, which will likely break. Next stop $320.

The fact that we have risen several dollars and are not bombarded by pictures of trains is bullish as f....



323. Post 10075368 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: kryptopojken on January 08, 2015, 12:12:10 AM
Let there be dump

You treacherous swede!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8ws_APXilE



324. Post 10075380 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 08, 2015, 12:19:53 AM
Let there be dump

No!

Tell him James!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgukXPbGS1I



325. Post 10075402 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: criptix on January 08, 2015, 12:24:03 AM
I say this is a reaccumulation/bullflag before another test of $300, which will likely break. Next stop $320.

i hope it turns out like in october  Smiley

of 2013



326. Post 10075500 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: criptix on January 08, 2015, 12:26:54 AM
I say this is a reaccumulation/bullflag before another test of $300, which will likely break. Next stop $320.

i hope it turns out like in october  Smiley

of 2013

bahhaha  Grin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca9CJ1u6ACg



327. Post 10075520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 08, 2015, 12:42:45 AM

Price be like



Oh yeah!!



328. Post 10075545 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: podyx on January 08, 2015, 12:45:36 AM
tbh as a woman it is not hard to be good at sex  Kiss


Well it's not hard to satisfy a man, but it takes a skilled woman to really give you that truly mind-blowing sex.


As a woman, it is easy even to blow minds. Couple of ooh's, violent scratching and convulsion to top it off, but it must be unpredictable. just like the market.

Guys, please, control yourselves! Shocked Is mentioning that I'm a woman really all it takes to get you all talking about sex instead of bitcoin here? I think you should really go out more often.
And before we close this offtopic, violent scratching leaves painful marks - passionate, yet merciful women keep their nails short because of that.  Just keep that in mind when you leave your room to look for one.  Kiss

It is always the least likely scenario.
Yes it is - so now could everyone please get back to thinking we will fall down to the ground? :/ The more people start thinking that the least likely scenario happens, the more likely it gets and thus it's the less likely to happen. >.< God it was a hard sentence to write.

Lady, you were the one who started that. Nobody here have mentioned sex ever since Chartbuddy was liked.
There have been one or two bottoms though if u know what I mean.

BTW I agree with nails, short and red nails is hawt

I will just say what we are all thinking so we can end this sh**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkwjDho7x0



329. Post 10075763 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: NotHatinJustTrollin on January 08, 2015, 01:11:55 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2row67/bitstamp_response_on_fiat_withdrawal/

Quote
Below you will find the email that one of our subscribers sent to Bitstamp, followed by their response (after 20minutes).

To whom it may concern,

Until you bring the trading service online, I would like proceed by WITHDRAWING my FUNDS, not coins. Is there a particular reason I can't do that at the moment? I understand the "trading" / "coins" part, but the fiat part, where my money is stored in a bank account, is another matter.

Why have I been restricted access to my cash, especially now that you cannot provide any responsible ETA?

Best Regards,

xxax xxlxoxx

Sent from Samsung Mobile

Dear customer,

For the time being, you cannot withdraw bitcoins or fiat held with us. This is because we have temporarily suspended our services in an attempt to make sure that all of our customers’ Bitcoin and personal information remain safe. In addition; the technical and accounting issues related to your request would be too great from a risk based perspective for a secure re-launch of our website and service as a whole.
We are working to restore our full services in the coming days, at which time you’ll be able to resume withdrawals, deposits, and other Bitstamp services.

We’ll keep you updated as we know more about timing, both on our Twitter handle and website.

Best regards,

Bitstamp Support

Note that our subscriber's account holds more than $250k. For that amount we think that he deserves more than just a template email response.

We really hope for the best.

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Meh

It makes perfect sense to me that they want to wait till they have a computer system ready to process the requests rather than spend their time doing withdrawals manually by e-mail with compromised security. I don't see the cause for concern here.



330. Post 10079507 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: inca on January 08, 2015, 10:53:00 AM
Pump to 315 incoming.


I said it yesterday, last top $320

If we cross 310-315$ lots of shorts will be closed... jump to 330-340$ could happen Smiley

If that happens the Chinese will finally turn bullish and boooom

Yes just need some buying here. A single whale or lots of minnows.

I love the buzz around here, I just have a hard time believing it. I guess that's just from getting beaten down too long.



331. Post 10081166 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Where is that LFC dude, he promised me a choo choo train.



332. Post 10085435 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: kryptopojken on January 08, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
fnatfnitfnat

Surely there must be more to life than spending you're entire time on a forum of something you utterly hate and have zero (positive) interest in? Or do you get paid?

Hej pojken! You have to understand that there really is such a thing as @ssholes in this world.



333. Post 10086393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

I see we are back to Brokeback Mountain? No wonder I felt the need to scratch.



334. Post 10087877 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Rise MOFO! I've got cats to feed!!!



335. Post 10089825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: bizz on January 09, 2015, 09:35:00 AM
Well, itīs looking like a negligable diff. increase

Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   290,919,288 GH/s

now 294,743,941 GH/s

That +10% is meaningless

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty



When will diff change? I expect blocks will slowdown on this change.

ETA on diff change is 3.3 days. And I wouldn't call a jump from 40,6 bill to 43,5 bill negligable.



336. Post 10089989 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Totscha on January 09, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
Well, itīs looking like a negligable diff. increase

Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   290,919,288 GH/s

now 294,743,941 GH/s

That +10% is meaningless

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty



When will diff change? I expect blocks will slowdown on this change.

ETA on diff change is 3.3 days. And I wouldn't call a jump from 40,6 bill to 43,5 bill negligable.

I guess you donīt read too well.

It is HARD to click on a link... Wink
It is hard on my ruddy phone

What's the point?



337. Post 10090284 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Totscha on January 09, 2015, 10:36:37 AM
Well, itīs looking like a negligable diff. increase

Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   290,919,288 GH/s

now 294,743,941 GH/s

That +10% is meaningless

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty



When will diff change? I expect blocks will slowdown on this change.

ETA on diff change is 3.3 days. And I wouldn't call a jump from 40,6 bill to 43,5 bill negligable.

I guess you donīt read too well.

It is HARD to click on a link... Wink
It is hard on my ruddy phone

What's the point?

My and galdur's posts were pointed at bizz, not you Wink

You posted the correct ETA, so your ruddy phone and your reading skills are OK Cheesy

If they were, I would have seen that your posts were pointed at bizz  Roll Eyes Grin



338. Post 10090456 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: 600watt on January 09, 2015, 11:14:59 AM



So they resume trading on Friday... ie. no new money to the exchange before the weekend. This can get rough.



339. Post 10090558 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: celebreze32 on January 09, 2015, 11:23:26 AM

What effect do you think resuming trading with no new money to the exchange before the weekend will have?

Imagine a world where there are people ready to prey on other peoples unease. Then imagine the knights in shining armour being forced to wait over the weekend to get their horses out of the stable. What have you got then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM4vblG6BVQ



340. Post 10090699 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: galdur on January 09, 2015, 09:52:46 AM
Well, itīs looking like a negligable diff. increase

Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   290,919,288 GH/s

now 294,743,941 GH/s

That +10% is meaningless

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty



When will diff change? I expect blocks will slowdown on this change.

ETA on diff change is 3.3 days. And I wouldn't call a jump from 40,6 bill to 43,5 bill negligable.

I guess you donīt read too well.
As you might have guessed I didn't click on that link at first. My estimate was if the recent drop in hash rate was real and not just a probability fluctuation (which would make sense when the price keeps dropping). If the hash rate hasn't dropped significantly we will end up somewhere in the area of 44-44,5b as suggested by bitcoinwisdom and bitcoincharts.



341. Post 10090944 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: galdur on January 09, 2015, 12:19:47 PM
Well, itīs looking like a negligable diff. increase

Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   290,919,288 GH/s

now 294,743,941 GH/s

That +10% is meaningless

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty



When will diff change? I expect blocks will slowdown on this change.

ETA on diff change is 3.3 days. And I wouldn't call a jump from 40,6 bill to 43,5 bill negligable.

I guess you donīt read too well.
As you might have guessed I didn't click on that link at first. My estimate was if the recent drop in hash rate was real and not just a probability fluctuation (which would make sense when the price keeps dropping). If the hash rate hasn't dropped significantly we will end up somewhere in the area of 44-44,5b as suggested by bitcoinwisdom and bitcoincharts.

The estimate is just lagging nonsense.

Bitcoinwisdom has a weird way of calculating estimates. The first week it is almost always way off. When it is closer to diff change it tends to be more in line. I normally use bitcoincharts for estimates as they seem to average in a more conservative way.



342. Post 10090958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: kryptopojken on January 09, 2015, 12:26:01 PM
It's so quiet in here

Är bara lugnet före stormen



343. Post 10091214 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: galdur on January 09, 2015, 12:33:09 PM
Well, itīs looking like a negligable diff. increase

Dec 30 2014   40,640,955,017   290,919,288 GH/s

now 294,743,941 GH/s

That +10% is meaningless

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty



When will diff change? I expect blocks will slowdown on this change.

ETA on diff change is 3.3 days. And I wouldn't call a jump from 40,6 bill to 43,5 bill negligable.

I guess you donīt read too well.
As you might have guessed I didn't click on that link at first. My estimate was if the recent drop in hash rate was real and not just a probability fluctuation (which would make sense when the price keeps dropping). If the hash rate hasn't dropped significantly we will end up somewhere in the area of 44-44,5b as suggested by bitcoinwisdom and bitcoincharts.

The estimate is just lagging nonsense.

Bitcoinwisdom has a weird way of calculating estimates. The first week it is almost always way off. When it is closer to diff change it tends to be more in line. I normally use bitcoincharts for estimates as they seem to average in a more conservative way.

Well, since mining is online I would have to assume that theyīre capable

of accurately keeping track of the hashrate.

Nobody knows the exact hashrate at any given time. All anyone knows is how many blocks are solved within a set timeframe. If the network is lucky, it will look like the network has grown dramatically, if it is unlucky it can look like it has slumped. But if you look at graphs of several days of data you can normally spot when huge data centers are switched online or Bitmain is shipping some new products, by the way the range of the pendulum shifts upwards.

But when it comes to the averages I think bitcoincharts includes the current difficulty for the missing data points of the next diff change. Whereas Bitcoinwisdom just averages the hashrate that has been recorded after the last diff change, ie. if the network has been very lucky/unlucky the first couple of days the estimate can be off with several, if not tens of, billions in either direction(normally up).



344. Post 10091725 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on January 09, 2015, 12:57:21 PM
next stamp update soon :

blablabla need another 72h to flee with coins

Or maybe they decided to open when the banks are open and avoid the "Duel of the Faiths".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4l39Lo194



345. Post 10091892 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: galdur on January 09, 2015, 02:04:10 PM
Maybe itīs time to buy copper at a 5 1/2 year low.

I guess itīs cheaper than cabbage now.

People keeps risking their lives stealing it, so how cheap can it be? And if China has hit a speed bump, copper, steel, aluminium and cement is a risky proposition.



346. Post 10092022 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on January 09, 2015, 02:08:53 PM
next stamp update soon :

blablabla need another 72h to flee with coins

Or maybe they decided to open when the banks are open and avoid the "Duel of the Faiths".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4l39Lo194

Or maybe they don't want the price to fall and that's why they wait until the banks are closed. People who want to withdraw their funds from the exchange fast will buy bitcoin because fiat wouldn't get transferred until Monday.

That is assuming people have lost faith in them. If not, we've had a week where nobody has transferred fiat to Bitstamp and dumpers are probably standing ready to send that mofo to the ground.



347. Post 10092440 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: strawbs on January 09, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
next stamp update soon :

blablabla need another 72h to flee with coins

Or maybe they decided to open when the banks are open and avoid the "Duel of the Faiths".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh4l39Lo194

Or maybe they don't want the price to fall and that's why they wait until the banks are closed. People who want to withdraw their funds from the exchange fast will buy bitcoin because fiat wouldn't get transferred until Monday.

That is assuming people have lost faith in them. If not, we've had a week where nobody has transferred fiat to Bitstamp and dumpers are probably standing ready to send that mofo to the ground.

When Bitstamp reopens, I'm not convinced that anyone will be eager to immediately exchange BTC for fiat on an exchange which will yet to have proven whether users can quickly withdraw fiat from their Bitstamp accounts.  I think it's far more likely that those with BTC on the exchange will withdraw them to their own wallets; those with fiat on the exchange will immediately buy BTC and then withdraw them to their wallets - since it's the quickest and easiest way to withdraw.  I may be wrong, but that seems the most likely scenario which, if true, would lead to an immediate demand for BTC and a price-rising rally. Who knows how strong the rally would be though...

Ironically, this would mean that the less faith people have in Bitstamp once it reopens, the greater the price increase.

Some will definitely think like this. I am just curious how many.



348. Post 10092618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Their last tweet is starting to look like a suicide note.

Just saying.



349. Post 10094425 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: aztecminer on January 09, 2015, 04:32:56 PM

The bitcoin tribe is filled with people that live on short memory. Once Stamp will (if) reopen their whorehouse, people will be like " Uhhhh, it was not so bad. " and they will continue to trade there. I remember this happening with Mintpal and other exchanges. They will stay until the website will be hacked again and closed forever and that will be the moment they learned a lesson.

But of course, things could go differently.


that is amazing that you think the same thing that i think and we are both right that either bitstamp goes to complete hell eventually or things could go differently. it's just like bitcoin prediction for january that we think it will stay sideways although it might go up or there is a possibility it could go down. if you want you all can subscribe to my newsletter where i send out predictions like these weekly .

You two should start doing horoscopes. There is some real money in that.



350. Post 10094574 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 09, 2015, 05:52:20 PM
Shit.

Something is happening.

I can feel it.

I think we're going up.

I like reading your posts, you always say what I want to hear.



351. Post 10095300 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: idecable on January 09, 2015, 07:20:22 PM
Bitfinex

Explanation


Meanwhile, some serious bid walls have been built. Wonder if they all disappear if stamp doesn't go online in the next 4 hours or so...

Even with a large team of experienced developers, It's a lot of work to rebuild an entire financial system in under a week. But hey, they are the ones who gave their own ETA! This is going to be an interesting day. Coffee machines must be cranking hard at Bitstamp's office.

Yes, they should probably have bit the bullet and told straight away that this would take some time. People need to sleep, people make mistakes. It is sort of important that they've done it right when they are online again.



352. Post 10095313 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Brewins on January 09, 2015, 07:21:21 PM
Meanwhile in Bitcoin Land, the stolen BTC from the Bitstamp hack have been sold. https://blockchain.info/address/1L2JsXHPMYuAa9ugvHGLwkdstCPUDemNCf



Just because they have moved does not mean they have been sold
Maybe all of the exchanges would keep following the coins until it ends up on their site, and then maybe able to give more information about the person selling those.


If I were a bitcoin-accepting site owner I would flag the stole coin addresses to auto block deposits coming from the hack address.

Good chance to get free coins and maybe some publicity



I don't know how effective that would be if they go through a tumbler.



353. Post 10095807 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: elasticband on January 09, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
Did i promise you all a weekend pump?  Cheesy

Aha! That's what you meant. And I showered and everything.



354. Post 10095880 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: caga on January 09, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
Bitfinex

Explanation

Wow, the price jumped, even though the trading hasn't begun yet . Is that because of stamp?

Yup, it seems we're going to have a party!

Let's hope it doesn't end in the ER.



355. Post 10095955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Elwar on January 09, 2015, 08:19:34 PM
So, they're back but still at a price of $276?

I sold some cheap coins through localbitcoins just now because the price was pegged to bitstamp price.

Hang around for a while. In half an hour the fireworks starts.



356. Post 10096050 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on January 09, 2015, 08:29:26 PM


I kinda feel the same way. I trust Stamp, but then again, I trusted GOX too. So, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.....


"well... you can't get fooled again." - Bush the Painter



357. Post 10096057 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Trolls are awake. This is gonna get dirty.



358. Post 10096306 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

BOOM!



359. Post 10096357 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

We might end up with a bunch of bears trapped at stamp.



360. Post 10096412 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 09, 2015, 09:11:10 PM
fnitfnatfnitfnat

Make a note everyone, Lambchop calling for $503

If he can make that happen I will send him some vaseline-money.



361. Post 10096444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 09, 2015, 09:14:57 PM
Remember Gox in January 2014? There was 15%+ difference to other exchanges, because people were buying and withdrawing coins.
The same could be happening with Bitstamp now. It coincides with a normal upward market movement, but it could be misleading.

There was a 15% difference for months because there was no way to reliably get fiat out of Gox. We are not even close to that situation now.



362. Post 10096548 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

FUDGEPUPPY!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx1CeHFeea0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyiglXHqbNw



363. Post 10096630 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Not really an insane volume. Definitely no race out of the doors. I guess people trust Bitstamp then.



364. Post 10096734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: podyx on January 09, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
Flalulalulawawawa



 Grin

Chris Farley is da man!

(And a good reason for me to lose some weight)



365. Post 10096792 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 09, 2015, 09:48:48 PM
This is all pretty boring.
I thought the price would swing one way or the other.

And I trusted you!

Well, at least you're not an Everton fan.



366. Post 10096917 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 09, 2015, 09:53:26 PM
This is all pretty boring.
I thought the price would swing one way or the other.

And I trusted you!

Well, at least you're not an Everton fan.

Damn right!

We'll get there on the price mate, this is a long game.

No get rich quick here.

Hold on for 10 years, it might be the best thing you ever do

There is nothing wrong about getting rich quick, it's the only way!

I have a list of cars I want to buy, and I want to drive them while they still will make me look cool. Not like a lost pensioner.

Fiat Dino
Maserati Bora
Jaguar XJ12 Coupe
Lotus Esprit
Jaguar XJ220
..
...
....





367. Post 10096948 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 09, 2015, 10:04:02 PM
This is all pretty boring.
I thought the price would swing one way or the other.

And I trusted you!

Well, at least you're not an Everton fan.

Damn right!

We'll get there on the price mate, this is a long game.

No get rich quick here.

Hold on for 10 years, it might be the best thing you ever do

There is nothing wrong about getting rich quick, it's the only way!

I have a list of cars I want to buy, and I want to drive them while they still will make me look cool. Not like a lost pensioner.

Fiat Dino
Maserati Bora
Jaguar XJ12 Coupe
Lotus Esprit
Jaguar XJ220
..
...
....




I'm 28.
I'd like bitcoin to make me rich before I'm 45.
That's not too much to ask......is it?


Cheesy

Crap!
I'm taking advice from a child!!!



368. Post 10097080 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 09, 2015, 10:09:55 PM
This is all pretty boring.
I thought the price would swing one way or the other.

And I trusted you!

Well, at least you're not an Everton fan.

Damn right!

We'll get there on the price mate, this is a long game.

No get rich quick here.

Hold on for 10 years, it might be the best thing you ever do

There is nothing wrong about getting rich quick, it's the only way!

I have a list of cars I want to buy, and I want to drive them while they still will make me look cool. Not like a lost pensioner.

Fiat Dino
Maserati Bora
Jaguar XJ12 Coupe
Lotus Esprit
Jaguar XJ220
..
...
....




I'm 28.
I'd like bitcoin to make me rich before I'm 45.
That's not too much to ask......is it?


Cheesy

Crap!
I'm taking advice from a child!!!

FatMan - The ETF will be approved in 2015.
A steady rate of merchant adoption will continue.
The New York License Review is actually pretty bullish.

2015 will be a good year for bitcoin.

I predict 500 USD by around March/April.

There are a number of factors (Winkledouche ETF approval) that could make us 2000 USD per BTC by this time next year.

...we will see. The Winkledinkles better hype this shit up soon. My one concern is that I don't see people using BTC for anything other than speculation. That needs to change. I have a wife. Those don't come cheap either.



369. Post 10097148 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: 600watt on January 09, 2015, 10:09:13 PM
This is all pretty boring.
I thought the price would swing one way or the other.

And I trusted you!

Well, at least you're not an Everton fan.

Damn right!

We'll get there on the price mate, this is a long game.

No get rich quick here.

Hold on for 10 years, it might be the best thing you ever do

There is nothing wrong about getting rich quick, it's the only way!

I have a list of cars I want to buy, and I want to drive them while they still will make me look cool. Not like a lost pensioner.

Fiat Dino
Maserati Bora
Jaguar XJ12 Coupe
Lotus Esprit
Jaguar XJ220
..
...
....




I'm 28.
I'd like bitcoin to make me rich before I'm 45.
That's not too much to ask......is it?


Cheesy

and what shall i do ? hit this scary number a few weeks ago...

fuck the rat race. i want freedom.

45? You're supposed to have a mistress and a red sports car by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBfXTyzaUfQ



370. Post 10097199 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 09, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
FatMan - we have to hope.
There are a lot of barriers to break down & people to convince but the blockchain is a ridiculously important invention.
Bitcoin will work, it just has to.
Surely.

But it would have been nice if the cow (we) doesn't starve to death while the grass grows.



371. Post 10097233 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on January 09, 2015, 10:35:26 PM
My guess: Bitfinex buy wall at 286 will break. Going down.

Bitcoin physics, what doesn't go up must go down.



372. Post 10097266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: celebreze32 on January 09, 2015, 10:07:33 PM
This is all pretty boring.
I thought the price would swing one way or the other.

And I trusted you!

Well, at least you're not an Everton fan.

Damn right!

We'll get there on the price mate, this is a long game.

No get rich quick here.

Hold on for 10 years, it might be the best thing you ever do

There is nothing wrong about getting rich quick, it's the only way!

I have a list of cars I want to buy, and I want to drive them while they still will make me look cool. Not like a lost pensioner.

Fiat Dino
Maserati Bora
Jaguar XJ12 Coupe
Lotus Esprit
Jaguar XJ220
..
...
....




Sorry, but you only ever see bald headed fat old bastards driving flash cars like those. The odds are you will have to wait until you look like a lost pensioner to drive one of those.
That is a disgrace. Those cars deserve to be driven by people who don't wet themselves.



373. Post 10097298 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: 600watt on January 09, 2015, 10:46:27 PM
@fatman: my 911 is white - does this count? mistress... well, sort of hard to sync with wife & 2 kids  Cool

993? 997?



374. Post 10097424 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: 600watt on January 09, 2015, 10:50:57 PM
@fatman: my 911 is white - does this count? mistress... well, sort of hard to sync with wife & 2 kids  Cool

993? 997?

1976 g series (3.0 carrera targa)

Ooooohhhh... The car is excellent. Only problem is that with that kind of car you might need a mistress. A 964 or a post facelift 996 would just be a total failure. With a 993, 997 or a 991 you wouldn't need a mistress. Cause you wouldn't give a ... But a 1970s 911 is too sexy. You'll either need a mistress or your wife will have to be glowingly hot. Otherwise the whole picture will be out of balance.



375. Post 10097460 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: explorer on January 09, 2015, 10:55:23 PM
@fatman: my 911 is white - does this count? mistress... well, sort of hard to sync with wife & 2 kids  Cool

993? 997?

1976 g series (3.0 carrera targa)
Hmm. Not much more than a lamb chop sock puppet will fit in the back of that one  Cheesy

You're missing the point. The seats are only there so you can tell your wife that it's a family car. You're not supposed to sit in them. Treat them with leather polish now and then and they will be fine. The kids can take the bus.



376. Post 10097541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: 600watt on January 09, 2015, 11:10:49 PM
@fatman: my 911 is white - does this count? mistress... well, sort of hard to sync with wife & 2 kids  Cool

993? 997?

1976 g series (3.0 carrera targa)

Ooooohhhh... The car is excellent. Only problem is that with that kind of car you might need a mistress. A 964 or a post facelift 996 would just be a total failure. With a 993, 997 or a 991 you wouldn't need a mistress. Cause you wouldn't give a .... But a 1970s 911 is too sexy. You'll either need a mistress or your wife will have to be glowingly hot. Otherwise the whole picture will be out of balance.

you seem to have deeper knowledge about this matter than myself. i'll let that sink in, thx 4 pro tip
Anytime



377. Post 10097693 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 09, 2015, 11:31:13 PM
longs covering in fear, short up like a dumb dumb, hash rate spiking as if no shit is given, speculators dazed and confused.



HOdlin.

ADAM!!!

Now we will see the rebirth of the $1000 Kingdom!



378. Post 10098006 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on January 10, 2015, 12:07:59 AM
Very slow growth may continue during week-end and accelerate monday hopefully
I doubt it. There isn't enough buying pressure to keep the dump trucks away. I hope I am wrong though.



379. Post 10100773 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on January 10, 2015, 08:00:22 AM
bitcoin should be renamed into dropcoin
It couldn't hurt. Dropbox was a success. Maybe the sucker would rise then.



380. Post 10100974 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.45h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 10, 2015, 08:58:31 AM
Oh crap, I closed my short too early again, based on lack of red volume on Chinese exchanges, and now...splash! Angry
Good, start being more constructive.



381. Post 10103536 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on January 10, 2015, 02:24:29 PM
Not long ago a guy posted maths about bitcoin only needing to be around 27 dollars to use it to switch from one fiat currency to another with a sustained amount of transactions. If you remove speculation out of the equation. That's scary Willy !!!!

I haven't seen the maths, but if it presupposes that every existing bitcoin should be in play then it's not really relevant.



382. Post 10103728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on January 10, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
I was hoping (meaning: it was possible and I would love that to happen) for a bounce back to 300 but I'm afraid it's much more possible now that we hit ~255 again, there's been almost no buying pressure since Bitstamp reopened and went full retard with 0 fees.
Whether the next ~255 marks a double bottom and starts a reversal or begins a total price crash is a total mystery to me but I think I'll stay out until then.

We will see what will happen when people get the opportunity to deposit fiat.



383. Post 10104874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: YourMother on January 10, 2015, 04:36:26 PM

Take the Bulltard's head and just...


[Had to delete disgusting gif]

Why? They are the one's losing money. Why do you give a rats ass you worthless piece of shit?

Calling people bulltards and beartards is just plain retarded. If you disagree with someone, please say so. But this harassment is getting old.

[Crap! This troll got under my skin. Solution: ignore]



384. Post 10104972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 10, 2015, 05:04:01 PM

Take the Bulltard's head and just...


[Had to delete disgusting gif]

Why? They are the one's losing money. Why do you give a rats ass you worthless piece of shit?

Calling people bulltards and beartards is just plain retarded. If you disagree with someone, please say so. But this harassment is getting old.

[Crap! This troll got under my skin. Solution: ignore]

I think he is referring specifically to the bulltards who come in here hyping the moon while divesting on our heads.

I don't give a flying fuck. That gif is disgusting, and used in that context it is close to criminal.



385. Post 10105704 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: Hunyadi on January 10, 2015, 06:13:26 PM
I still think that Bitcoin will hit double digits, it will be just slow and painful path for many of you here, I will ride the ship only when most of you delusional cultists and get rich kids abandon it....

Nice to see you back here! Double digits is perhaps too pessimistic but, unfortunately for bulls  Cry, traders are trying to push the price under 200 to level the playing field (they think early adopters and big mines have too much power currently).

They want to make money shorting. There are no "good intentions" behind it.



386. Post 10105776 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: heartastack on January 10, 2015, 06:15:12 PM
I maintain that we still need a global currency crisis / collapse followed by a flood into precious metals. Once people realise that BTC and its derivatives are as good as precious metals and easier to use we will start to see real commerce take place in crypto. See you there, might have grey hair by then. But these dayys have been fun. We were there dudes!!

What drivatives has Bitcoin got? I heard they helped cause the last stock market crash. Fuck derivatives.

Take your meds mate. I meant altcoins (generally derived from the BTC source code)

Good, the last thing Bitcoin needs is derivatives (like the debt packages in the stock market).

Well ironically the winkelvoss ETF would be a derivative. Their company plans to purchase one BTC for every 5 shares in the etf owned. Unfortunately this is exactly what BTC needs right now to allow the gamblers a regulated environment for purchasing BTC with stupid amounts of money.

The more I think about it, the more grave is BTC's immediate future. I believe that ETF was already speculatively priced into BTC too which is also deflating with all the rest of the bad news. There is still big money in BTC and these are the guys doing the mini pumps followed by the massive dumps. And as said they will do this all the way down to zero or until they are out of the market. They need to get their money back and they don't care about you, me, or Bitcoin.

Both derivatives and shorting ought to be good for Bitcoin if only the currency (not only the technology) gained some significant traction with some kind of real use case. But there doesn't seem to be much adoption other than waves of shorting traders.



387. Post 10107083 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: poncho32 on January 10, 2015, 07:30:08 PM
I maintain that we still need a global currency crisis / collapse followed by a flood into precious metals. Once people realise that BTC and its derivatives are as good as precious metals and easier to use we will start to see real commerce take place in crypto. See you there, might have grey hair by then. But these dayys have been fun. We were there dudes!!

What drivatives has Bitcoin got? I heard they helped cause the last stock market crash. Fuck derivatives.

Take your meds mate. I meant altcoins (generally derived from the BTC source code)

Good, the last thing Bitcoin needs is derivatives (like the debt packages in the stock market).

Well ironically the winkelvoss ETF would be a derivative. Their company plans to purchase one BTC for every 5 shares in the etf owned. Unfortunately this is exactly what BTC needs right now to allow the gamblers a regulated environment for purchasing BTC with stupid amounts of money.

The more I think about it, the more grave is BTC's immediate future. I believe that ETF was already speculatively priced into BTC too which is also deflating with all the rest of the bad news. There is still big money in BTC and these are the guys doing the mini pumps followed by the massive dumps. And as said they will do this all the way down to zero or until they are out of the market. They need to get their money back and they don't care about you, me, or Bitcoin.

Both derivatives and shorting ought to be good for Bitcoin if only the currency (not only the technology) gained some significant traction with some kind of real use case. But there doesn't seem to be much adoption other than waves of shorting traders.

It depends what sort of derivatives you are talking about. The type I am against are like the packages of debt, the source of which the buyers don't know. I heard the last big bank crash was partially caused by traders buying packages of mortgage debt, but they didn't know it was mortgage debt. People had been given mortgages who had not got a hope in hell of paying and someone put that debt into a derivative and sold it.

The winkelvoss ETF might be regarded as a derivative, but it's a completely different kind of derivative to the dodgy ones available before the last bank crash.

The media was looking for a bogey man back then. The word derivatives sounded sinister. The problem wasn't that there were derivatives related to mortgages. It was the way they were sold, and the fact that there was no security behind those mortgages. And if the buyers didn't know what they were buying, then they shouldn't have bought them. I remember one bank manager for a small local bank in Minnesota (i think) was interviewed about the bail out. His bank stayed away from those derivatives because he simply didn't understand how they could work. And when it turned out that he was right he was very annoyed with the other banks that were screaming for a bail out. It wasn't unavoidable. It was a perfect storm of lack of regulation and hubris. Sounds familiar?

If we ever see that kind of derivatives in the Bitcoin economy it would have to mean that people were taking up mortgages in Bitcoin. If so, then we can safely say that Bitcoin has succeeded.



388. Post 10107552 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on January 10, 2015, 09:36:42 PM
yes it must be the nsa !

If only it was nAsa.



389. Post 10109586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: DeadCoin on January 11, 2015, 01:31:15 AM
Offtopic question,
How do I chose avatar picture on this forum? I tried to put Kodrić, Karpeles or Jeff Robinson on my profile picture but it doesn't work, how do I do it?

You will have to ask for permission from James Cameron. But I don't think the guys you mentioned were in the movie.



390. Post 10110188 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 11, 2015, 03:49:19 AM
The future of Crypto is Bitcoin and Digibyte

What about ethereum?



391. Post 10112784 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 11, 2015, 05:11:56 AM
I find them sort of heart-breaking. Bitcoin is a wonder, but makes and breaks men faster than silver

I see bitcoin as a computer technology experiment, that was appropriated by various groups and pushed as something that it was never intended to be, and is nowhere ready to be.

Agreed.

Edit. As a rule I dislike Libertarianism, mostly as it has been co-opted by the right, but I was drawn to Bitcoin for purely political reasons; I think the world needs slightly more liberty than it currently has. Unfortunately as it stands crypto just seems clumsy and liable to hurt anyone who goes near it

Libertarianism is just a slightly confused version of classical liberalism. A democratic society of the people and for the people is fully legitimized to provide services which promotes equality, health and security for its citizens. Even Warren Buffett thinks so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irAVaMIvvYY

His idea of a Genie is, of course, not his own. What he is describing is John Rawls' "Veil of Ignorance". The solution in his mind is within what we would call social liberalism, certain vains of christian conservativism and modern social democrats.

Bitcoin has an exciting role in that it is not really hindered by any political ideology except for certain vains of extreme nationalism and extreme socialism. It can work as an internet coupon. It can work as a substitute for, or in addition to a national currency. And in the long term it can replace the dollar as a world currency. History tells us that that status is very temporary. What else could replace the dollar? The Swiss Franc? The renminbi? The Euro? The Rouble? The Rupee? They are certainly not better than the dollar right now, and won't be for the foreseeable future. And they would be hard pressed to offer more than the dollar even if they catch up with it. What is needed is something new. What is needed is a trustless global currency which can't be manipulated or controlled by single governments. A currency that grows into its role rather than is chosen by the community of states in concert. A currency that has a foothold in most or all of the major economies in the world and thus represents the world economy in a very real way.  Bitcoin is not a anarcho-libertarian looney currency. Nor is it a supranational currency. It is a currency for the people as well as the global society of independent states. It is a cosmopolitan currency.



392. Post 10113262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: yefi on January 11, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
Someone posts an animated gif that isn't even that gory, people bitch.

Some dude posts a disgusting, real, hi-res photo of gory roadkill, and nobody bats an eye.

Really?

Yeah, I had to wonder about that. I guess it's only ok if something has to die for your gif.

So you see nothing extraordinary in someone on a public forum saying:

"Take the Bulltard's head and just..."

, and then showing a gif where a mans head is ripped off with the innards showing?

The main problem wasn't really the gory gif, although there is a difference between people and roadkill. The main problem was that he suggested that this should be done to people on this forum.



393. Post 10113733 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: yefi on January 11, 2015, 01:24:36 PM
Someone posts an animated gif that isn't even that gory, people bitch.

Some dude posts a disgusting, real, hi-res photo of gory roadkill, and nobody bats an eye.

Really?

Yeah, I had to wonder about that. I guess it's only ok if something has to die for your gif.

So you see nothing extraordinary in someone on a public forum saying:

"Take the Bulltard's head and just..."

, and then showing a gif where a mans head is ripped off with the innards showing?

The main problem wasn't really the gory gif, although there is a difference between people and roadkill. The main problem was that he suggested that this should be done to people on this forum.


No, that seems very ordinary. Now, if he had suggested building Saddam's supergun, boring their bodies down into cylindrical projectiles and firing their machined corpses 200 miles into the sky, that what be extraordinary.

It wouldn't hurt if people rummaged around a bit, and tried to find a brain cell. Think about what you are protecting.



394. Post 10115899 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: macsga on January 11, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
Not those are rich who have much, but those who don't want much.


^^This. The rest is BS.

Ok, but I don't speak Yoda.



395. Post 10118792 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

It will be interesting to see what our resident trolls will say when the price starts climbing again. Especially shroomie, he's not the worst but he's like a broken record. What tune will he play then?



396. Post 10118816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: empowering on January 11, 2015, 10:56:24 PM
@empowering:
Press that Ignore button on the left. Works like a charm and makes this place a whole lot better and quieter.  Grin


I hear you... I already have them on ignore, but they are popping up more and more new ones,  I add  them to ignore too , but still more and more come, it is such a joke now, that we may as well really go for it, and then it may actually at least become a funny joke.  

So now what we need is MORE of them please, more activity....

Once they are on ignore I have no idea what they are barking on about and I could not care less..  but the point is,  I do see they are bringing their other special friends sockpuppets... and I want them to step it up, imo they are being lazy, and need to put more effort in, this thread really needs them.. and these heart attacks are just not going to happen all by themselves, they need to rid themselves of the final few percentage of movement/life they have away from keyboard,  and really really waste their lives more PLEASE lay it on us...

Anyways.. I have got stuff to do now, but when I next check in, I look forward to seeing the new specials they invite along/sockpuppets, and the fruits of their labour, the renewed rigor and productivity of their ever increasing shit garbling circle jerk..  around x20 or x30 more of them should do it...

Step to it guys... you have work to do.





Refreshing thoughts. And if they could channel the energy of their circle jerk, they could probably physically pump the price up.



397. Post 10118826 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: spooderman on January 11, 2015, 10:59:28 PM
remember when we used to observe walls?

Well, at least ChartBuddy stays on topic.



398. Post 10119061 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: spooderman on January 11, 2015, 11:23:35 PM
Hashrate about to go way up.

Bitcoin will come back once everyone's forgotten about the dirty old cum rag™ in the corner of the room.

It's the network that wouldn't die Cheesy

Why?



399. Post 10119232 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: spooderman on January 11, 2015, 11:42:37 PM
Lol, do you know how bitcoin works on even the most superficial level?

I know that when the cost of electricity for making a bitcoin is close to 50% of the price of a bitcoin for some, expanding your mining operation by adding more overhead is not really a given, not to mention the cost of the actual HW. And as far as I know, the mining gear developers are reluctant to put all their money into 14/16nm FinFet processes when the prices drop like an anvil. So I was wondering if you have some specific information on why the hashrate would go "way up" anytime soon?



400. Post 10119285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: abercrombie on January 11, 2015, 11:57:18 PM
Failed rally attempt, who wudda thought?  Huh

 

Volume is pitiful.



401. Post 10119312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 11, 2015, 11:59:38 PM
Very bullish right now

The crazy guy is back Cheesy


Lol, do you know how bitcoin works on even the most superficial level?

I know that when the cost of electricity for making a bitcoin is close to 50% of the price of a bitcoin for some, expanding your mining operation by adding more overhead is not really a given, not to mention the cost of the actual HW. And as far as I know, the mining gear developers are reluctant to put all their money into 14/16nm FinFet processes when the prices drop like an anvil. So I was wondering if you have some specific information on why the hashrate would go "way up" anytime soon?

If price continues its decline its hard to imagine of rapidly rising hashrate, but maybe spooderman knows something we dont?

That's what I was wondering.



402. Post 10119334 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 12, 2015, 12:02:14 AM
Lol, do you know how bitcoin works on even the most superficial level?

I know that when the cost of electricity for making a bitcoin is close to 50% of the price of a bitcoin for some, expanding your mining operation by adding more overhead is not really a given, not to mention the cost of the actual HW. And as far as I know, the mining gear developers are reluctant to put all their money into 14/16nm FinFet processes when the prices drop like an anvil. So I was wondering if you have some specific information on why the hashrate would go "way up" anytime soon?
There is another great coin up and coming called Digibyte that will be the day to day currency that can be realistically used. BITCOIN will still be there as gold is to dollars. Anyways check out Digibyte

Watch "DigiByte @ CryptoCurrency Convention NYC 4/9/14 -…" on YouTube - DigiByte @ CryptoCurrency Convention NYC 4/9/14 -…: http://youtu.be/JkWVD8MJlS0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=408268.0

Great times for Crypto!!!




Can I mine it?



403. Post 10119390 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on January 12, 2015, 12:05:30 AM
Lol, do you know how bitcoin works on even the most superficial level?

I know that when the cost of electricity for making a bitcoin is close to 50% of the price of a bitcoin for some, expanding your mining operation by adding more overhead is not really a given, not to mention the cost of the actual HW. And as far as I know, the mining gear developers are reluctant to put all their money into 14/16nm FinFet processes when the prices drop like an anvil. So I was wondering if you have some specific information on why the hashrate would go "way up" anytime soon?
There is another great coin up and coming called Digibyte that will be the day to day currency that can be realistically used. BITCOIN will still be there as gold is to dollars. Anyways check out Digibyte

Watch "DigiByte @ CryptoCurrency Convention NYC 4/9/14 -…" on YouTube - DigiByte @ CryptoCurrency Convention NYC 4/9/14 -…: http://youtu.be/JkWVD8MJlS0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=408268.0

Great times for Crypto!!!




Can I mine it?


Yes sir. Watch and read links you will see

Don't know why I ask, Bitcoin and Ethereum are the only cryptocurrencies I see any point in.



404. Post 10119466 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 12, 2015, 12:14:00 AM

You so mean!

Poor Lambie, even he must get tired of these boring little drops. How much more can he take before he will grab his vaseline and go back to pleasing old men for a living?



405. Post 10119769 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: outahere on January 12, 2015, 12:50:33 AM

YEAH!!! Go Jean-Luc!!!



406. Post 10119805 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 12, 2015, 12:57:48 AM
Yeah. Would say that many are mining with loss by now. They simply mine and hold hopping the price will go back up.

That would be silly. It would be better to switch off their equipment and buy bitcoin at that point (and arguably better just to switch off their equipment)

If you rent space to run the equipment or pay for a hosting service, that might not be a good option.



407. Post 10120063 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.46h):

Nice little chart if you want to explain Bitcoin to anyone.


http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/01/daily-chart-3



408. Post 10134061 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on January 13, 2015, 06:00:02 AM



Explanation



Even ChartBuddy is mocking me.



409. Post 10134348 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

I sort of hope we get more real life users soon, rather than just waves of speculators. But I guess that's just me.



410. Post 10134375 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: outahere on January 13, 2015, 07:01:48 AM
Somebody wanted to pop Bitcoin's ATH myth like it was a virgin sacrifice. Big deal. Now they are afraid to drop it below the previous bubble's low or $60. I want to see them drop 8000 BTC on stamp in one sell order to get it that low.

They are not afraid. They are waiting to see how the market adjusts. If there is still no buying pressure they will drop the price to ≈$200-220. And if it's still no buying pressure they will drop it to ≈$150-180.



411. Post 10134397 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: outahere on January 13, 2015, 07:03:55 AM
I sort of hope we get more real life users soon, rather than just waves of speculators. But I guess that's just me.
In many countries those decisions are up to the lawgivers.

In most countries it is up to Bitcoin companies creating solutions that people want to use.



412. Post 10134507 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: outahere on January 13, 2015, 07:19:42 AM
I sort of hope we get more real life users soon, rather than just waves of speculators. But I guess that's just me.
In many countries those decisions are up to the lawgivers.

In most countries it is up to Bitcoin companies creating solutions that people want to use.
In China and Russia you cannot purchase anything with bitcoins. Australia has forced an exchange to move to the UK. Many USA bitcoin devs have left the country due to shaky policies..

That is 4 countries out of 206.



413. Post 10134647 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on January 13, 2015, 07:27:10 AM
I sort of hope we get more real life users soon, rather than just waves of speculators. But I guess that's just me.
In many countries those decisions are up to the lawgivers.

In most countries it is up to Bitcoin companies creating solutions that people want to use.
In China and Russia you cannot purchase anything with bitcoins. Australia has forced an exchange to move to the UK. Many USA bitcoin devs have left the country due to shaky policies..

That is 4 countries out of 206.

But 3 of the biggest economies. China and USA together are bigger than the rest of the world together...

No, roughly a third. The EU and Japan are almost as big. Then there is still a third left. And it's not like the US and China have zero bitcoin activity.



414. Post 10134807 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: spooderman on January 13, 2015, 07:52:16 AM
*wake up see that there's been 30 pages added to this thread*

"oh fuck, something's happened."

Balls of steel is the term.

I, personally, would be happy for all the get-rich-quickers to leave us alone.

Coins worth hundreds of dollars is enough for me. Once again, I doubt I will ever sell my BTC. I will only spend them if and when I can.

Don't worry, I think it's mostly get-poor-quickers left.



415. Post 10134812 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on January 13, 2015, 08:00:02 AM
Bitfinex

Bitstamp

Explanation


Stamp is not looking well.



416. Post 10134833 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: beetcoin on January 13, 2015, 08:08:27 AM
man this downward spiral has been going on for a year already. another year, and how many more will still have faith in BTC?

Well, at least we know that it won't drop more than $250 from here.



417. Post 10135340 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: serpicodk on January 13, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
Funny how some bulltards vote that we will not go below 250  Grin

It's pretty retarded to call them bulltards then.



418. Post 10135606 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: Stevenirving on January 13, 2015, 09:44:07 AM
This relentless downward spiral sucks but we HODL.
Nothing else we can do.
I'd rather lose everything than sell now at a loss.
Damn straight


Praise the Bitcoin Jeebus!



419. Post 10135818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

2500 BTC in 15min on stamp. I wonder if this will be a ripple thread when I come back from work.



420. Post 10136001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: inca on January 13, 2015, 10:29:00 AM
Am I the only one worried about a flash crash here?

Worried? How can it get flashier than this?



421. Post 10136026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: Stevenirving on January 13, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
Ok what is causing this???
Yes it has been going down fast, but this is insane!!!!!

Praying this is manipulation so the biggest whales can get cheap coins and now it will rebound to over 300.
Who is praying with me?

Less praying, more buying. I don't think Bitcoiners are much in favor if He must pick sides.



422. Post 10136051 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2015, 10:31:02 AM
There's something fishy happening on BFX, bids are slightly higher than asks, maybe it's a bot that tries to hold the price up?

Manipulation, to fool bidders and then dump hard, this shouldn't be allowed. Angry (BTW, I'm still short)

LOL!!!

What phase are we in when even bears are offended by the dumps?



423. Post 10136190 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
There's something fishy happening on BFX, bids are slightly higher than asks, maybe it's a bot that tries to hold the price up?

Manipulation, to fool bidders and then dump hard, this shouldn't be allowed. Angry (BTW, I'm still short)

LOL!!!

What phase are we in when even bears are offended by the dumps?

I'm not complaining about dumps, but about order book manipulation (with a bot?), although it has served me well, I closed my short at 229$.

Still...



424. Post 10136284 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: Stevenirving on January 13, 2015, 10:42:13 AM
So what did you say was the bottom line, at which people will switch off their miners and the whole network will collapse?=)

i say 150...


dont worry ill just mine with my computer Cheesy i got this Cheesy
Nope.
I've been saying since a few months ago, I'll buy Bitcoin under 100 and I'll get them for under 100.

What if it drops below $10?

Massive suicides... A lot of companies inverted MILLONS in hardware for mining bitcoin or providing services with it.
This could really be true.
I could see hanging myself if the btc went under forever
:/
Keep your head cool and decide if you want to ride it out or if you want to bail out and buy in again later. It has gone past $1000 before. There is still money to be made. Bitcoin won't die.



425. Post 10140653 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

If the price drops much more those blocks are going to trickle out very slowly indeed.



426. Post 10140951 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Quote from: jaberwock on January 13, 2015, 06:54:02 PM
If the price drops much more those blocks are going to trickle out very slowly indeed.


but sooner or later difficult will adjust and things will go back to normal again

Or not?
Yes, of course. People will jump off the network at different price points. But we are moving thru a lot of those price points nowadays. So we might have to wait up to 20-30 days for next diff change. That means that blocks will on average take twice as long to solve. Not exactly the best PR for Bitcoin.



427. Post 10144190 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.47h):

Well.... volume is up. That's good....?



428. Post 10148942 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

I see someone had fun when I was gone. Woke up to day 1 after the Apocalypse.

I hope we all agree now: TO DA BLIMMIN, FUDDLING... MOOOOOON!!!!!!



429. Post 10149920 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

DAT VOLUME!




430. Post 10150090 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Where is "Tim Draper and The Winklewankers" when you need them?



431. Post 10150245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: inca on January 14, 2015, 11:51:59 AM
Bounce is inminent. And not a normal bounce, a huge bounce.

Up or down? Smiley

BTW anyone else suspecting the Chinese exchanges to be almost completely fake? There was just dump, flatline, dump, flatline. The volume was also completely ludicrous.

I think you can make some insane trading bots when exchanges have no fees.

BTW: Kudos to you, spotting that flash crash.



432. Post 10150602 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: Richard Branson on January 14, 2015, 10:49:20 AM
what the fuck has happend?

Best thing this year.
Lots of bulltards lost a lot of money.
Always funny to see people get fucked up meddling in things they have no clue.
Hopefully some jump off a bridge. Natural selection.

You first, asswipe.



433. Post 10152215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Bitstamp must be kicking themselves for not charging fees right now.



434. Post 10154612 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

There will be champagne at Bitfinex today.



435. Post 10154775 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: Richard Branson on January 14, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
Im not even religious but based on that post I could shame you in a debate, complete lack of understanding on how the majority of religious people approach the bible. Meh, keep thinking what you want. Back to the show.

Most religious people don't have the courage that there are things they can't not yet or never understand (lack of knowledge and intelligence). It is easier to rely on an almighty entity.

That's some shallow stuff. I guess atheists can be dogmatic and judgemental as well.



436. Post 10154788 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 14, 2015, 06:46:18 PM
Stop with the religion shit, we all know all religion is evil and must be abolished sooner or later.
Just like bitcoin's price must grow sooner or later, right? Right? RIGHT?!

If religion is evil what is it that defines what is evil?



437. Post 10155022 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on January 14, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
I occasionally hear that marginal trading and leveraged is bad for Bitcoin, can someone explain ? I don't know about trading stuff, just a hodler.

not sure why it is bad in general, but its probaly one of the reasons for great votality.

leverage + weak liquidity = high votality

It works both ways as we will discover this year. What has gone down will come back up again!

Uh why exactly?

Because all those shorts will have to close at some point.
We will see, if you look at the volume of people getting the hell out of Bitcoin it sort of looks like they will have plenty of opportunity to close shorts without a significant rise in price.



438. Post 10155234 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on January 14, 2015, 07:12:03 PM
Stop with the religion shit, we all know all religion is evil and must be abolished sooner or later.
Just like bitcoin's price must grow sooner or later, right? Right? RIGHT?!

If religion is evil what is it that defines what is evil?

I sincerely hope you are not trying to say that religion is what decides whats bad and whats evil?
That wouldnt deserve a reply.


Perhaps someone more eloquent than myself could answer this, like say Richard Dawkins

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

but we can also mention Muhamad and his warmongering, child fucking adventures?





Calling Richard Dawkins eloquent is like calling Stalin mild-mannered. He is a hate spreading dogmatist who lives his life fighting shadows and strawmen. What's next? Peter Singer?



439. Post 10156084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Hoping for 300k at finex.



440. Post 10156236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 14, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
What's the most bullish thing imaginable? I would like some brainstorming please.

The US government announces plans to buy 25 million bitcoins over the next 3 months.

It sounds like they should read the white paper first :/

TL;DR

Where is it The Honorable Doctor Professor Jorge Stolfi works again? I need to know so I can advice my children never to apply there.



441. Post 10156245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: arklan on January 14, 2015, 08:53:15 PM
WTB 1000 MAGIC: THE GATHERING CARDS

buddy of mine runs a card shop. i can hook ya up. Cheesy (it's disturbing how much money people spend on that shit...)

Don't really feel like I can point any fingers today.



442. Post 10156266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: arklan on January 14, 2015, 08:57:47 PM
What's the most bullish thing imaginable? I would like some brainstorming please.

The US government announces plans to buy 25 million bitcoins over the next 3 months.

It sounds like they should read the white paper first :/

TL;DR

Where is it The Honorable Doctor Professor Jorge Stolfi works again? I need to know so I can advice my children never to apply there.

pretty sure it's an argentinian school. south american for sure.

Oh, the argentinians. They are SOOO good with currency.



443. Post 10157197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on January 14, 2015, 09:10:50 PM
What's the most bullish thing imaginable? I would like some brainstorming please.

The US government announces plans to buy 25 million bitcoins over the next 3 months.

It sounds like they should read the white paper first :/

TL;DR

Where is it The Honorable Doctor Professor Jorge Stolfi works again? I need to know so I can advice my children never to apply there.

pretty sure it's an argentinian school. south american for sure.

Itīs Brasilian...

I saw, Sao Paulo aka "Thug City". Explains a lot.



444. Post 10157249 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

Ok, 300k was a bit too optimistic, but we will soon have 250k on finex.



445. Post 10157425 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.48h):

That was fast. Stamp touching $165.



446. Post 10157858 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 14, 2015, 10:50:30 PM
I'm not going to sell.
It's pointless.
I'm willing to go down with my ship but I literally can not believe this.
It's not logical, there has been no awful news.
I can't figure out what's driving this crash.

Look at the volume, that is massive resistance.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/09/bitcoin-momentum-2015/

And don't listen to the economically illiterate. That Microsoft, Dell, Time, Overstock and others take bitcoins matters. Even if it's through BitPay. It will attract new users. Users who will actually use their Bitcoins. This will contribute to healthier trade and make Bitcoin more useful for other parts of the economy as well, which in turn will increase its value. What we don't want is a larger percentage of traders and hodlers. We want parents to give part of their childrens allowance in bitcoin for them to buy ring tones and Microsoft content. We want nerds to buy their gear in bitcoins and get nerdgasms. 2015 is not 2014...... because of the numbers.... and because there is no way in h@ll for bitcoin to fall $600.



447. Post 10157958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

I must admit, it's kinda fun seeing people actually buying bitcoins again.



448. Post 10157984 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: jonoiv on January 14, 2015, 11:27:36 PM
I'm done for.....

Me too, got wiped out on a leveraged trade already.

I'm out. for good Sad

Fuck, there's only bears left then.



449. Post 10157995 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 14, 2015, 11:32:48 PM
what the fucking shit is going on!

You've been away. What were we supposed to do?



450. Post 10158016 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 14, 2015, 11:34:56 PM
I must admit, it's kinda fun seeing people actually buying bitcoins again.

The 15m volume on finex is glorious.  

It's probably fake

Doubt it. Something must have kept the boat afloat.



451. Post 10158162 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

I feel like I'm in a time machine. Every hour is like a day at finex. As well as this thread.



452. Post 10158193 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: Eamorr on January 14, 2015, 11:51:57 PM
China awakens.



In about an hour...

I hope they have the munchies for coins. But I expect Panda poo.



453. Post 10158419 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 14, 2015, 11:55:07 PM
yesterday we hit a new daily volume record on finex, today we doubled that new record.

269636!!! on finex. If we can keep this up bitcoin might actually be worth something.



454. Post 10158595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: Eamorr on January 14, 2015, 11:56:43 PM
China awakens.



In about an hour...

I hope they have the munchies for coins. But I expect Panda poo.

I wouldn't be so flippant about China.

China are the ones with the most clout in this panic.

See here: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/

I don't think my unintended irreverence is going to affect the way the will try to dump bitcoin into oblivion.



455. Post 10159010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: BrewCrewFan on January 15, 2015, 12:27:27 AM
CCMF!

Um, can we at least wait till we get back to the 200's?  I would even say we should wait until the 300's for any CCMF posts.

Gut tells me right now its a trap and will go down sharply again...not saying new lows but saying it will give back some.

Gut tells me it's hard to set a trap with this volume.



456. Post 10159062 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

I don't say this often, but I would love to see a huge green dildo when I wake up tomorrow.



457. Post 10159135 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: DefendKebab on January 15, 2015, 01:34:34 AM
I don't say this often, but I would love to see a huge green dildo when I wake up tomorrow.



Oooooohhh!!! If he could only make it erect and against a black backdrop. hmmmm...



458. Post 10159157 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: PoolMinor on January 15, 2015, 01:31:08 AM
Well, that was the bottom. I picked up a shitload of super cheap coins. Thanks to you idiots selling at the very bottom.
Thanks for playing.





The countless deaths of others turned shrooomie into a beautiful butterfly! Brings a tear to my eye.



459. Post 10159187 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Lots of new people here baffled by wall observer terminology. Some ancient ones as well. That is bullish.



460. Post 10159297 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: colour on January 15, 2015, 01:59:47 AM
Tomorrow bears be like this:



 Cry

I think they will be more like this for some days




461. Post 10159606 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: strawbs on January 15, 2015, 02:55:29 AM
THIS IS ALL MANIPULATION from the Four Punch Raiders


C'mon- all these posts from new accounts like who in the hell would be just now getting into BTC? This is all part of the FPR's plan. It's gonna shoot up to maybe $240, then crash back down to under $200 before the real short squeeze reversal up to even $350.

I'm thinking of even playing the pause selling at over $240 and then buying back in below $200.

the problem is that after the short squeeze and the second bounce, it will again go into free fall. I guess that's good because I will have made so much $$$ that I can load up, but damn, this is not good for Bitcoin.

I have to agree with you.  "Oh poor little me, I don't even know what a bull trap is, please explain. And what is CCMF?"  Yeah, of course you're just getting into bitcoin and you just read the white paper. Not fooling anyone.

This thread is weird beyond weird sometimes.



462. Post 10159615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: 79b79aa8d5047da6d3XX on January 15, 2015, 02:58:52 AM
It's gonna shoot up to maybe $240, then crash back down to under $200 before the real short squeeze reversal up to even $350.
I'm thinking of even playing the pause selling at over $240 and then buying back in below $200.
the problem is that after the short squeeze and the second bounce, it will again go into free fall.

oi, you can see so many moves ahead, you make magnus carlsen look like a cherub.

He does look like a cherub, is it because of that guy?



463. Post 10159628 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: cmacwiz on January 15, 2015, 02:59:29 AM
What do you think about this plan :

1. Set a buy order @20.000000001$ (20$ is a pretty much confirmed target, forum bears proven to be correct 100% of the time)
2. Freeze yourself




3. Wake up xx years later as a multibillionaire


Any flaws?

the BTC is on the exchange. In BTC-e we trust

+ freezing yourself will rupture every cell in your body. Turning you into a wet sock.



464. Post 10159649 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: Taras on January 15, 2015, 03:04:13 AM
What do you think about this plan :

1. Set a buy order @20.000000001$ (20$ is a pretty much confirmed target, forum bears proven to be correct 100% of the time)
2. Freeze yourself




3. Wake up xx years later as a multibillionaire


Any flaws?

the BTC is on the exchange. In BTC-e we trust

+ freezing yourself will rupture every cell in your body. Turning you into a wet sock.

What about Hal Finney?

He might not make it.



465. Post 10159769 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: elasticband on January 15, 2015, 03:25:29 AM
For whats it worth, I am  a fan of Btc and have been following since last Nov, but I must say, The TA on here has been atrocious.

And please stop with the cheer leading posts, its laughable

ccmf posts make me cringe

sorry this is the wal observer thread, not TA, we just come here to circle jerk with memes and to observe trolls in the times of darkness, it makes us feel better  Roll Eyes

Dat wal....fapfapfap...



466. Post 10161890 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on January 15, 2015, 05:56:16 AM
Just a matter of time..


WHat the h*** has happened to all the bears in this place?



467. Post 10162252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: Elwar on January 15, 2015, 10:08:49 AM
I'd appreciate more dumps... Sepa coming through today... please dump on my face / chest.

Thx

Mine just went through this morning...what happened to the reasons the price went down yesterday? Umm...3600 coins per day! Ponzi? Failed experiment! Come on guys...panic sell again already.

If you start screaming for cheap coins then... :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA



468. Post 10163667 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Every hour of the last couple of days has the volume of a good day, sometimes very good day.



469. Post 10166525 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: macsga on January 15, 2015, 05:18:05 PM
...
all illegal immigrants (mexicans) now get a free 'get your money in the bank' id cards so they too can enjoy the same benefits as first class citizens (instead of being second class and left out of the benefits). first class citizen benefits: get abusively taxed, get obama-irs-scheme-cared, buy stocks @ATH's, buy high sell low, and get bailed-in!!

What can we do to stop these mud people, aztecminer?  The Jews and their government puppets (look who's the president now, those people are shameless!  It's as if they are mocking us!) have colluded to impoverish the decent, full-blooded Americans like you and me.
What's To Be Done?!


the reason for any bail-ins will be because of an economic crisis. i think making sure your own ass is covered. i think still some time left though cuz they gotta get the mexican's money in the bank's .

Why pardon my quoting of an ignored character, but... aren't you Russian?  Grin
Yes, but you have to admit, that is some quality trolling of a racist ignoranus.



470. Post 10167398 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.49h):

Quote from: DeadCoin on January 15, 2015, 06:18:08 PM
...
all illegal immigrants (mexicans) now get a free 'get your money in the bank' id cards so they too can enjoy the same benefits as first class citizens (instead of being second class and left out of the benefits). first class citizen benefits: get abusively taxed, get obama-irs-scheme-cared, buy stocks @ATH's, buy high sell low, and get bailed-in!!

What can we do to stop these mud people, aztecminer?  The Jews and their government puppets (look who's the president now, those people are shameless!  It's as if they are mocking us!) have colluded to impoverish the decent, full-blooded Americans like you and me.
What's To Be Done?!


the reason for any bail-ins will be because of an economic crisis. i think making sure your own ass is covered. i think still some time left though cuz they gotta get the mexican's money in the bank's .

Why pardon my quoting of an ignored character, but... aren't you Russian?  Grin
Yes, but you have to admit, that is some quality trolling of a racist ignoranus.

There's no way he's Russian, from writing it's obvious English is his first language.

According to the lore of lambie he was born in russia, but doesn't live there now. But the lore of lambie was told by a lying troll, so you might be right.



471. Post 10179082 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.50h):

For my own sake, I hope bitcoin will at least double in a week or two. For Bitcoins sake I hope it will stay around 200-220 until mass adoption is a confirmed.



472. Post 10194839 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.50h):

Several days has gone by without another plunge towards the depths of hell. TO DA MOOOOOON!!!!!



473. Post 10196198 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.50h):

This thread has gone into retard mode again.

Bearish...



474. Post 10197281 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.50h):

Quote from: fonsie on January 18, 2015, 04:11:14 PM
OK guys, this one will really make you laugh.

"Academic interest in E-mail only. Do not trust e-mail! Very skeptical of its longterm success."--Jorge Stolfi
http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/NoEMail.html

This so called CS professor can't even handle e-mail.


This is just mindblowing.

@StolfiProfessor
Pro Tip!

Don't sign up for every porn site on the internet, you'll get less SPAM that way.

If you can't do, you teach.



475. Post 10229099 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

I hardly recognize any of the people on this forum any more. That collapse last week really hit hard. But if the market can keep gobbling up those manipu-dumps I think the future might look a little brighter.



476. Post 10229984 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

So, when is this zit around the $210 mark going to pop?



477. Post 10230145 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: kl8847 on January 21, 2015, 05:14:58 PM
Will there be any large movements today? It has been rather quite... Huh

No one knows. If we knew, we were ritch

quite ritch indeed



478. Post 10230528 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: EvilPanda on January 21, 2015, 05:35:52 PM
So, when is this zit around the $210 mark going to pop?
Hopefully, never.

Agreed, but how likely is that? We haven't gone up. And in Bitcoin-world if it doesn't go up, it must go down. And when volume subsides something must happen.... I guess I answered my own question.



479. Post 10230537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: bassclef on January 21, 2015, 06:03:29 PM
Bearwhale being knocked down @ Finex  Cool

Unless the price moves up it's all smoke and mirrors.



480. Post 10230687 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: thresher on January 21, 2015, 06:10:55 PM
If there is not a break upwards soon, we are going to lose the little momentum we have..........

The price still doesn't respond to good news. I can't think of better news than the 75m funding round, but the price didn't budge. I really thought that we were looking at a high volume reversal, but with volume declining and no reversal in sight I get this feeling that we might be up shit creek.



481. Post 10230696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: bassclef on January 21, 2015, 06:14:27 PM
Bearwhale being knocked down @ Finex  Cool

Unless the price moves up it's all smoke and mirrors.

We've been nibbling away those walls since last night. Eventually they will get moved up.

Nibbling is for pussies. And this is the internet, so pussies will get shat on.



482. Post 10230834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: gentlemand on January 21, 2015, 06:20:05 PM
If there is not a break upwards soon, we are going to lose the little momentum we have..........

The price still doesn't respond to good news. I can't think of better news than the 75m funding round, but the price didn't budge. I really thought that we were looking at a high volume reversal, but with volume declining and no reversal in sight I get this feeling that we might be up shit creek.

Why would China give a shit about some company getting some money in a far off land?

This is 'news' along a similar level to all the merchant adoption. It's great for the future. It means nothing for right now.

The chinese can't use Bitcoin for anything. So we can't expect any boom from the east this time around. If stuff is going to happen it needs to come from somewhere else. If we are lucky they will keep trading a significant number of coins back and forth so we're not flooded by chinese coins as well.



483. Post 10231179 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: bassclef on January 21, 2015, 06:37:15 PM
Bearwhale being knocked down @ Finex  Cool

Unless the price moves up it's all smoke and mirrors.

We've been nibbling away those walls since last night. Eventually they will get moved up.

Nibbling is for pussies. And this is the internet, so pussies will get shat on.

Nibbling is the only way so that whales don't drop a shitload of coins into the rise... It might even be a dump bot that detects large orders/volume at certain price levels, hence the need for stealth.

Best of luck to you. I hope it works.



484. Post 10236741 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.51h):

Quote from: f2000 on January 23, 2015, 02:22:53 PM
I bet my house that this fat fuck is pumping right now. He's the culprit.

[Pic of FF]

I'm ignorant, who's the egg head?

Me too, who is that fat fuck?

Wash your mouth out with soap boy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen

(hmmmm... I wouldn't mind washing my mouth with a soap boy....)



485. Post 10240186 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.52h):

Quote from: freebit13 on January 23, 2015, 07:57:04 PM
Bitcoin being added to 22 million POS terminals in Europe... bullish?

http://www.coinbuzz.com/2015/01/23/paymium-partners-ingenico-adding-bitcoin-pos/

It's good news, but bitcoin haven't given a f@@k about good news for over a year.



486. Post 10264924 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: fichtn12345 on January 26, 2015, 10:56:38 AM
BUY people fucking BUY.

Don't end up being a bitter beartard / troll that gets left behind.

I would like to stay left behind... so I am not buying a single satoshi Cheesy  enjoy your ride to the "moonz"



That is pretty bad taste, even for you.

i didn't want to comment but making light of those thousands of poor bastards on the train to the death camps is about as low as it gets ...

Amazing, I see my point well received...there are bulls and bears, but you are just a bunch of pigs

and you sir, are one sick fuck!

+1000



487. Post 10264939 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Brace yourselves!

https://www.coinbase.com/lunar



488. Post 10265258 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: Totscha on January 26, 2015, 11:42:07 AM

This is old news Tongue Its fromn yesterday, and what called for the pump.

Barry Silbert has confirmed via twitter (and Wall Street Journal) that Coinbase will be opening the first ever Exchange in the US

https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/559469770232569857

Indeed, first ever:

http://howtobuybitcoins.info/us.html


For alot of people this will be the first, one as they will be operating with license to operate in 25 states


The headline on the WSJ article reads - "First U.S. Bitcoin Exchange Set to Open"

I don't disagree that this may (I don't have exact info) be the exchange to be able to serve the largest part of the US population. There have been plenty of them to operate in a handful of states (Kraken for example).

So the title is at least misleading if not outright false.

The point was that it's the first regulated exchange.



489. Post 10271079 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 26, 2015, 07:50:49 PM
really the truth of the matter is anything under $300 is still a great buy.

Exactly.



I don't think you are factoring in the Four Punch Raiders. These guys make the order book their bitch. The bear market likely isn't over until after the next short squeeze and then later a failed attempt at a long squeeze. If $266 holds on the retest two months or so from now. Since apparently I am the only one who knows both what they are doing and how to stop it (and is willing to do so), that long squeeze will likely not fail. I don't have nearly the funds to do it on my own and all my "allies" will be much weaker after this next round trip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM



490. Post 10271321 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 26, 2015, 08:54:04 PM
really the truth of the matter is anything under $300 is still a great buy.

Exactly.



I don't think you are factoring in the Four Punch Raiders. These guys make the order book their bitch. The bear market likely isn't over until after the next short squeeze and then later a failed attempt at a long squeeze. If $266 holds on the retest two months or so from now. Since apparently I am the only one who knows both what they are doing and how to stop it (and is willing to do so), that long squeeze will likely not fail. I don't have nearly the funds to do it on my own and all my "allies" will be much weaker after this next round trip.

Four punch what?  Huh

Billyjoeallen thinks he is the only person to have noticed the market has been bossed about by a few large players for the last few months. Smiley

Bossed around for the last year. The 720 whale...remember him? that was the FPR in the first really recognizable intentional short squeeze. Every cycle they get stronger and the bulls get weaker. Silicon valley seems to be oblivious. All the big money backers are dumping money into infrastructure while the supply of our commodity is in the hands of people who don't give a shit about bitcoin except to suck the life out of it.
I don't really disagree with you but calling it "The Four Punch Raiders" makes it sound like a 70s Kung Fu movie.

"The Drunken Master and The Four Punch Raiders" with Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung.
Score by Shaky Guy with Panpipes.



491. Post 10272539 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

We're still over $20 up on finex. If the price moves like this every day for a couple of months I might upgrade my ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFJBd40Awo



492. Post 10272763 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: spooderman on January 27, 2015, 12:26:06 AM
I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people in here are not very good at guessing the future.

No shit, Sherlock



493. Post 10275661 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Yo Macsga!

Saw you made some changes in Greece this weekend!





494. Post 10275816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: macsga on January 27, 2015, 09:10:51 AM
Yo Macsga!

Saw you made some changes in Greece this weekend!




Hopefully, this is only the beginning. Expect more from Greece. We owe it to ourselves.
As a wiseman once said:
"Never underestimate the people who have nothing to lose".

I'm not that left leaning myself, but when the whole lot is tainted you have to chuck it out and start fresh. That been said, I think it's funny that germans treat your little accounting trickery like it's somehow an unforgivable sin. I mean, it's not like you started a World War that killed 52 million people and used minorities as firewood.



495. Post 10275941 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: oda.krell on January 27, 2015, 09:22:00 AM
Yo Macsga!

Saw you made some changes in Greece this weekend!




Hopefully, this is only the beginning. Expect more from Greece. We owe it to ourselves.
As a wiseman once said:
"Never underestimate the people who have nothing to lose".


Congratulations.


Still have to pay your debt ^_^

Do the math. It's not going to happen.



496. Post 10276295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: oda.krell on January 27, 2015, 09:46:38 AM
Yo Macsga!

Saw you made some changes in Greece this weekend!




Hopefully, this is only the beginning. Expect more from Greece. We owe it to ourselves.
As a wiseman once said:
"Never underestimate the people who have nothing to lose".


Congratulations.


Still have to pay your debt ^_^

Do the math. It's not going to happen.

Hey, who says you can't try to squeeze some extra blood from a stone.

Especially stones that self-righteously declare "Hey guys, we changed our minds about the treaties we just signed last year."

If you look at the implementation rate of EU laws among the big EU countries You will find that this is not unique.  And if you look at the execution of the Stability and Growth Pact, which had a budget deficit ceiling of 3%, you will find the average for 2011 was 4.5%. With 3.7% in Belgium, 4.7% in the Netherlands, 5.2% in France and 8.3% in Britain. The bad apples were doing 13.1% Ireland, 9.1% Greece, 8.5% Spain and 4.2% Portugal. So not following the rules is more the rule than the exception, as is being self-righteous.



497. Post 10276382 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: fichtn12345 on January 27, 2015, 10:27:51 AM
Yo Macsga!

Saw you made some changes in Greece this weekend!




Hopefully, this is only the beginning. Expect more from Greece. We owe it to ourselves.
As a wiseman once said:
"Never underestimate the people who have nothing to lose".


Congratulations.


Still have to pay your debt ^_^

When you borrow money from germans  : German Friends.
When you have to give it back: Damn Nazis!

haha. nice one
If the rest of Europe had used an eye for an eye on Germany the borders of France and Poland would meet and we would bitch slap the swiss into speaking french. Austria would be a lake.

So maybe we should cut those greeks some slack.



498. Post 10276547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: Jammalan the Prophet on January 27, 2015, 10:46:08 AM

If the rest of Europe had used an eye for an eye on Germany the borders of France and Poland would meet and we would bitch slap the swiss into speaking french. Austria would be a lake.

So maybe we should cut those greeks some slack.

If the rest of Europe had used an eye for an eye on what every country has done here in the last 10 centuries ..what would have happen?

Finland would have Ruled the World!!!



499. Post 10276926 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: Jammalan the Prophet on January 27, 2015, 10:49:45 AM
Every person from our country lent 500€ to Greece. I would gladly transform this for few weeks on Corfu.
A beer for 100 drachmas and gyros for not much more - that was good times. Yamas!

Actually, it was your banks (including perhaps your central bank) lent to Greek banks (including presumably the Greek central bank) a mountain of euros.  Where that money went, it is not clear; but anyway the Greek government, that had been elected by the banks, decided that each Greek citizen had to fork 500 euros to pay your banks.  Which was the bankers' aim all along: take more wealth from the general public.

Trouble is, the Greek citizens were never asked whether they agreed to any step of that plan, not even told clearly what the plan was.


I missed that election .....when did it happen?

And:

If they were able (the banks) to elect a government why weren't they able to do the same two days ago?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203370604577263863362854348

the 1.8% blinds of this island are also puppets of the foreign banks , right?


Where I come from, a position in academia normally means you're trained at thinking analytically. I guess things are different at Fique Tranquilo U.



500. Post 10277138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on January 27, 2015, 12:01:43 PM
I'm back in at 256. Lets do this!

You guys better launch this mofo to da blippin moon! I was looking at chateaus in France yesterday, now you will have to make my dreams come true.



501. Post 10277995 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: thresher on January 27, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
9am dump inbound

Bastards!



502. Post 10278362 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: macsga on January 27, 2015, 02:16:42 PM
So tell me how the debt is in the name of the Greek goverment? With what money did they pay the state expenses?

I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling here. Which part is it that you DON'T understand that the NON elected Greek Government of Mr. Papadimos in 2011 signed the loan? Greece should have gone bankrupt by then. THEY DIDN'T LET US! If we did, we'd have our own coin back and we'd be able to put our debt into control easier than this internal horizontal cut-off of salaries and business shut downs. More here:

[...]
A long story short, EU is ruled by people who are bought from big financial organizations & corporations. They are ruling the world and they don't care if I have to feed my kid or if I don't have a job and I'm searching the garbage to get something to eat. They forced the other countries people to lend us money in order to keep up with a financial "success story" who was never meant to be one in the first place.

The reason behind this is far more complex if you want to speak the truth. Greece is found to be the 3rd country in the world in hydrocarbons. Crete, Cyprus, Corfu, wherever they searched they found enormous reserves. Why would they want to "save" us to begin with? I personally don't belong to the Left. Never was. I do believe though that at this phase, it's our only hope and I really wish they're for real. EU's financial terrorism must come to an end.


It's easy if you're outside of the problem to post thoughts and judge about other people's lives. It's not the same if you're part of the problem yourself.


I don't think he's trolling. Greece fucked up long before 2011. You cooked the books to make it look like the budget deficit was far smaller than it was for over a decade. Trying to take responsibility for greek debt is not the worst crime committed by greek politicians. But the numbers just don't add up and people have to get on with their lives.



503. Post 10278789 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: macsga on January 27, 2015, 02:44:59 PM
So tell me how the debt is in the name of the Greek goverment? With what money did they pay the state expenses?

I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling here. Which part is it that you DON'T understand that the NON elected Greek Government of Mr. Papadimos in 2011 signed the loan? Greece should have gone bankrupt by then. THEY DIDN'T LET US! If we did, we'd have our own coin back and we'd be able to put our debt into control easier than this internal horizontal cut-off of salaries and business shut downs. More here:

[...]
A long story short, EU is ruled by people who are bought from big financial organizations & corporations. They are ruling the world and they don't care if I have to feed my kid or if I don't have a job and I'm searching the garbage to get something to eat. They forced the other countries people to lend us money in order to keep up with a financial "success story" who was never meant to be one in the first place.

The reason behind this is far more complex if you want to speak the truth. Greece is found to be the 3rd country in the world in hydrocarbons. Crete, Cyprus, Corfu, wherever they searched they found enormous reserves. Why would they want to "save" us to begin with? I personally don't belong to the Left. Never was. I do believe though that at this phase, it's our only hope and I really wish they're for real. EU's financial terrorism must come to an end.


It's easy if you're outside of the problem to post thoughts and judge about other people's lives. It's not the same if you're part of the problem yourself.


I don't think he's trolling. Greece fucked up long before 2011. You cooked the books to make it look like the budget deficit was far smaller than it was for over a decade. Trying to take responsibility for greek debt is not the worst crime committed by greek politicians. But the numbers just don't add up and people have to get on with their lives.

Guilty as charged. With one correction: Our corrupt politicians did it. One of them (Tsohatzopoulos) is in jail as we speak. This chap could have lead PASOK instead of Papandreou for JUST ONE VOTE! My wish is that others will follow too. There are far too many from both big parties involved. I'm not dreaming though. I just wish.

In a representative democracy that means that you did it. It would probably help if corruption wasn't a national pastime.



504. Post 10278820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on January 27, 2015, 03:00:55 PM
[stuff that no one care about]

Where is Greece anyhow, near China?  I know you guys invented democracy and popularized homosexuality, but what have you done lately?
Other than steal money from EU?



screwing your tourist  wives

for example


They brought Moussaka to Europe.



505. Post 10278851 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: Jammalan the Prophet on January 27, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
So tell me how the debt is in the name of the Greek goverment? With what money did they pay the state expenses?

I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling here. Which part is it that you DON'T understand that the NON elected Greek Government of Mr. Papadimos in 2011 signed the loan? Greece should have gone bankrupt by then. THEY DIDN'T LET US! If we did, we'd have our own coin back and we'd be able to put our debt into control easier than this internal horizontal cut-off of salaries and business shut downs. More here:

[...]
A long story short, EU is ruled by people who are bought from big financial organizations & corporations. They are ruling the world and they don't care if I have to feed my kid or if I don't have a job and I'm searching the garbage to get something to eat. They forced the other countries people to lend us money in order to keep up with a financial "success story" who was never meant to be one in the first place.

The reason behind this is far more complex if you want to speak the truth. Greece is found to be the 3rd country in the world in hydrocarbons. Crete, Cyprus, Corfu, wherever they searched they found enormous reserves. Why would they want to "save" us to begin with? I personally don't belong to the Left. Never was. I do believe though that at this phase, it's our only hope and I really wish they're for real. EU's financial terrorism must come to an end.


It's easy if you're outside of the problem to post thoughts and judge about other people's lives. It's not the same if you're part of the problem yourself.


I don't think he's trolling. Greece fucked up long before 2011. You cooked the books to make it look like the budget deficit was far smaller than it was for over a decade. Trying to take responsibility for greek debt is not the worst crime committed by greek politicians. But the numbers just don't add up and people have to get on with their lives.

Guilty as charged. With one correction: Our corrupt politicians did it. One of them (Tsohatzopoulos) is in jail as we speak. This chap could have lead PASOK instead of Papandreou for JUST ONE VOTE! My wish is that others will follow too. There are far too many from both big parties involved. I'm not dreaming though. I just wish.

So , your corrupt politicians did it now , they are to blame...
But what the hell happend in 1826, 1843, 1860, 1894 1932 ?

Oh wait , the politicians , the EU , the lizards ..
And in the 4th century BC ? 454 BC?

You guys have invented bankruptcy and the only times when you did not have a bankruptcy in each century were when you were under ottoman rule .

 

Most countries have had bankruptcies with similar intervals. Except for those that haven't existed long enough.



506. Post 10279783 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: spooderman on January 27, 2015, 04:08:44 PM

In a representative democracy that means that you did it. It would probably help if corruption wasn't a national pastime.

Thank you for that theoretical aside. However the idea of a representative democracy - while a potentially nice one - serves to depress me while it reminds me that it is NOT what we have (here in the UK, there in the USA or indeed in any other country on the planet.)

That's just twaddle. They just don't only represent you, and they are bound by laws and political traditions which makes it a bit hard to steer, but Britain certainly is a representative democracy. The fact that you have a wobbly two-party system is not ideal, but it's better than the american model where nobody knows who's in charge and the people keep blocking themselves from forcing through their political will. When the president can't do anything meaningful because one of his senators died which means his party loses the 60%(!?!?!?) majority it needs in the senate to stop morons from reading War and Peace or the phonebook loudly in order to stop legislation; you know something is a bit screwy.



507. Post 10283221 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on January 27, 2015, 10:59:57 PM
Coin
Explanation


If you look at the new ChartBuddy while shaking your head it looks like a pretty bird flapping his wings.



508. Post 10288662 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

So when you guyz gonna launch this mofo?



509. Post 10288683 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: bitcodo on January 28, 2015, 01:30:10 PM
wow   stamp

That is jus bad form. I will write letter of complaint and explain why that kind of thing isn't done.



510. Post 10288690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: tarmi on January 28, 2015, 01:31:32 PM
I feel sorry for all of you guys that expected a bounce from 250~260.

I said no.

You always say no. So you have to be right some times.



511. Post 10291541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: damiano on January 28, 2015, 06:02:16 PM
did put some buy orders at 76 dollars

Buying at 76 would be pretty sweet

Not if it keeps dropping.

I am starting to think people in Bitcoin are complete idiots. Bitcoins are only cheap if they are significantly cheaper than their value. If it plummets to $76 from $1200 then there is no reason why it won't drop below $10 and stay there. The value of BTC is somewhat dependent on it not being slaughtered to the point where it is or is conceived to be completely unreliable as a store of value. I am not suggesting that it needs to be more stable than 1st world fiat, but stable enough so that you can buy some and spend it within a month or two without risking losing more than you would pay in credit card fees or Western Union fees.

So what you want to do now is put on your Brave Pants and buy some coins to help push that mofo to Winkeltosser Heaven!! $40000 Biatsch!!!!



512. Post 10291581 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on January 28, 2015, 06:37:46 PM
Look at pathetic BTCChina, supposedly the volume leader.. cant even break down a BTC1,400 wall. They're falling behind because the wall is too large to break.

Pathetic. That exchanges real volume is probably <20K a day, not >200k

If you don't charge fees you will get bots trading tiny amounts of bitcoins thousands of times a day to take advantage of minor price movements. The volume is not fake, although you might say it's artificially inflated.



513. Post 10291671 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: mmitech on January 28, 2015, 06:53:49 PM


I wish price would of moved to $312 instead of $310 so I could have my sell order filled... Embarrassed

You repeated the same post how many times already ? why didn't you sell at $300 or at $280 or $260 or $250 or now ? stop wishing and have a strategy.

BTW, how old are you ?

If it's the same strategy I have we should have been at $4000 by now. I am considering to tweak it.



514. Post 10291709 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 28, 2015, 06:58:38 PM
Epic buying opportunity here

Don't fight it. Feel the pain.



515. Post 10291729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: TankHankerous on January 28, 2015, 06:57:44 PM


That is the coolest gif I have seen here ever!



516. Post 10291807 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: mmitech on January 28, 2015, 07:03:48 PM


I wish price would of moved to $312 instead of $310 so I could have my sell order filled... Embarrassed

You repeated the same post how many times already ? why didn't you sell at $300 or at $280 or $260 or $250 or now ? stop wishing and have a strategy.

BTW, how old are you ?

I woke up at $270 after the $310 spike so I figured I would sell at ~$285 but it never came.
I think we'll see a short term bottom soon though

I'm 20

20, you should be enjoying the 20s instead of watching charts 24/7 and going crazy about it, the 20s goes by so quick, a blink of an eye and you are in your 30s... no seriously, make a strategy and stick to it.

Crap! All the bulls are children.... What is FindFTP? 5?



517. Post 10291832 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: dakota neat on January 28, 2015, 07:11:26 PM
Crap! All the bulls are children.... What is FindFTP? 5?

Are you an old fart like mimimitech?

My farts are minty fresh.



518. Post 10291918 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: findftp on January 28, 2015, 07:14:54 PM

Crap! All the bulls are children.... What is FindFTP? 5?

Gee  man, don't take me so serious.
I try to cheer it the fuck up over here with my useless images and nonsense talk.
If you don't like it, please ignore me.
If you love it, donate.

Besides, what else would you expect in this thread?

You say what I want to hear so I naturally assumed you were some wise guy with a white beard, an oracle of some kind.



519. Post 10291972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: findftp on January 28, 2015, 07:24:21 PM

Crap! All the bulls are children.... What is FindFTP? 5?

Gee  man, don't take me so serious.
I try to cheer it the fuck up over here with my useless images and nonsense talk.
If you don't like it, please ignore me.
If you love it, donate.

Besides, what else would you expect in this thread?

You say what I want to hear so I naturally assumed you were some wise guy with a white beard, an oracle of some kind.

lol Grin Thanks, I like the oracle part. Might dream about it tonight.

$217 on BTC-E. Only nightmares for me tonight.



520. Post 10292000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Any of you people who have any idea if this b#ttf@ck will have a happy ending? I kind of would like to peek above $300 again.



521. Post 10292094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 28, 2015, 07:31:49 PM
Ahhhh, nothing is better than a little panic out of nowhere  Kiss

My panic caught them at 233. Now pump it the fuck up please.

I caught it at 231.21. While it may drop a bit lower (it's already oversold), I expect back to ~260$ within 2 - 3 days.

I love it when bears get bullish!!! I need this mofo to stop falling.



522. Post 10292587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.54h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on January 28, 2015, 08:27:01 PM
To everyone posting short terms charts try checking the longer term view.

The trend over the last two weeks has been the strongest trend for 3 months.



The biggest question here is will the trend continue with today being a "blip" ?
All trends have them and for this to be a blip the $$ trading would need at close the day at roughly $260+

If this is a trend break out then things could get interesting of course Smiley

But it went to shit 3 months ago.



523. Post 10309032 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.55h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on January 30, 2015, 11:39:46 AM

Oh yes judge, my greed was so that I could not help myself, I had to buy the coins, I had no choice, and no they did not ever actually unequivocally ever say that they were actually regulated in California per se, and no I have not actually made an actual loss yet (?) ... and... you get the idea.


You're ranting. That's what happens when you feed the trolls.

Meh.. yeah I admit it, in the end I might have got a little ranty there...

Lol ... everyone gotta feed their own inner troll a morsel or two every now and again  Cheesy

So we are just stuck around 230 now.

Not for long .. 200 incoming  Wink

Don't say that. It's going to stabilize at $230 for a while and then it's going to move up in a respectable manner and everyone will live happily ever after...

Don't say that. It's going to stabilize at $230 for a while and then it's going to move up in a respectable manner and everyone will live happily ever after...Don't say that. It's going to stabilize at $230 for a while and then it's going to move up in a respectable manner and everyone will live happily ever after...Don't say that. It's going to stabilize at $230 for a while and then it's going to move up in a respectable manner and everyone will live happily ever after...gnnniihhhffffiifhggh!!!!



524. Post 10367262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

WAIT FOR IT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaI2IlHwmgQ



525. Post 10367465 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 05, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Thanks for the coins, Dumpmonkeys!  Keep it up; I've got thousands and thousands of fiat FRNs I need to get rid of before the short squeeze.

BillyJoeBanjo being agressive is bullish as fuck!!



526. Post 10368381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: podyx on February 05, 2015, 05:45:33 PM
...
any commodity in finite supply will have to gain value. Supply and demand, Baby...

How are you set for BTCeanies?  Don't miss the boat, freedom fighter!

Please dump harder...

I've sold part of my stash at $218 and this is a disgrace!

The fact that the last super-dumps have roughly moved the price by a gnats fart only to steadily rise again to $220-230 makes me feel something I haven't done for over a year, genuinely optimistic.



527. Post 10368799 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: yefi on February 05, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
The fact that the last super-dumps have roughly moved the price by a gnats fart only to steadily rise again to $220-230 makes me feel something I haven't done for over a year, genuinely optimistic.

Current price action really isn't a cause for optimism - not least because it has barely begun.

We'll see. I don't like the volume today.



528. Post 10368811 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on February 05, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
Importane levels.

$205

$155

$133

$65

$850

$1250

Lambo

Jag



529. Post 10369754 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: kaykawa on February 05, 2015, 08:32:39 PM
reversal to $220 in a matter of minutes... prepare 4 quickbuck

How many times will the market have to bounce back like this before we get some trademark bitcoin frenzy?



530. Post 10370624 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 05, 2015, 10:04:30 PM
sorry guys, but the real crash is yet to be seen.

with all those bitcoin derivative trash, p&d altcoins, mining bubbles, bitcointalk ponzi schemes, bulltard trolls and scammy exchanges in place you need several rounds of really hard dumping to find the real bottom.

the one to 150 is the first and genuine step in the right direction.

I know it is customary to talk ones book in this place but you're getting a bit obvious. I often find your comments somewhat insightful, but this is just twaddle.



531. Post 10370707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: Dump3er on February 05, 2015, 10:07:42 PM
The dump3er guy tells you: Sub 100 is coming. When? Soon...
Was the dump3er wrong before,[........blablablabla...dumptydumptydump]


I'm getting fed up with these self-appointed oracles of doom who think that just because they can spot a year long downtrend that they somehow have figured it all out, and that pissing on everyone else is an act of benevolence. You don't need much of a pair to say stuff might go further down, but if you're loading some cahones (or huge clit, I guess) you might have a stab at spotting the bottom.



532. Post 10370746 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: SnokkomBTC on February 05, 2015, 10:24:54 PM
and if you're short, keep shorting. It's the forced liquidations of the shorts that are going to really launch this next rally.

Plenty are..
You mean... Lambtroll, yourmother and trollin are going to launch the next rally? Shocked




If we invite people to donate bitcoin to put a contract on some of the trolls through silk road, that might send us beyond $1250.



533. Post 10370799 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: D05GTO on February 05, 2015, 10:33:01 PM
Fatman3001

Easy fix man..   <---Use the ignore button on the trolls and quit quoting them.

I have most of them on ignore but other people keep quoting them. Did you spot someone I should jettison?



534. Post 10370902 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on February 05, 2015, 10:33:52 PM
I think we've seen the bottom.
We'll move sideways for a while until the ETF approval & Gemini exchange comes out to play.
The only way is up then.

Now is a very good buying opportunity, I suggest people buy what they can now.

I agree, but my dwindling cojones don't like the fact that recent movements look remarkably similar to those in November. Even volume is comparable if you think dollars. But the ManBearWhale battle at $300 had a pungent whiff of fake bottom all along. This time it looks more organic. It almost looks like people like buying bitcoins at around $200.



535. Post 10370958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: ronald98 on February 05, 2015, 10:45:28 PM
Fatman3001

Easy fix man..   <---Use the ignore button on the trolls and quit quoting them.

I have most of them on ignore but other people keep quoting them. Did you spot someone I should jettison?

You could try ignoring anyone who quotes them, but that might lead to eventually ignoring every poster in this thread.

Well, that's the thing. And several fairly decent people slip up from time to time or simply don't have problem with trolls. However, my original proposal was just a thought experiment in economics. One of the virtues of economical liberalism is its ability to turn selfish a-holes into productive members of society. If we could use trolls to send us to the moon and beyond it would truly be revolutionary for the decentralized digital economy.



536. Post 10370989 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: Dump3er on February 05, 2015, 10:55:04 PM
The dump3er guy tells you: Sub 100 is coming. When? Soon...
Was the dump3er wrong before,[........blablablabla...dumptydumptydump]


I'm getting fed up with these self-appointed oracles of doom who think that just because they can spot a year long downtrend that they somehow have figured it all out, and that pissing on everyone else is an act of benevolence. You don't need much of a pair to say stuff might go further down, but if you're loading some cahones (or huge clit, I guess) you might have a stab at spotting the bottom.

Yeah. 70 - 80.

Quote me on this dude since the dump3er is never wrong! It's like witchcraft! Ask the crowd of hyperventilating girls.

You can thank and worship me later!

Open up the basement window, or even better, just let them go!



537. Post 10371182 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: Dump3er on February 05, 2015, 11:10:57 PM
The dump3er guy tells you: Sub 100 is coming. When? Soon...
Was the dump3er wrong before,[........blablablabla...dumptydumptydump]


I'm getting fed up with these self-appointed oracles of doom who think that just because they can spot a year long downtrend that they somehow have figured it all out, and that pissing on everyone else is an act of benevolence. You don't need much of a pair to say stuff might go further down, but if you're loading some cahones (or huge clit, I guess) you might have a stab at spotting the bottom.

Yeah. 70 - 80.

Quote me on this dude since the dump3er is never wrong! It's like witchcraft! Ask the crowd of hyperventilating girls.

You can thank and worship me later!

Open up the basement window, or even better, just let them go!

I don't need no basement, I can be very convincing! I could even fuck you, too!  Kiss

But anyway, that's not the subject.  Cheesy

You quoted me, so let us see who wins. I even gave you a narrow price range for the bottom, you only said: up, up, up...

Where did I say ": up, up, up..."?

Are you a lambie account?



538. Post 10371432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: Sitarow on February 05, 2015, 11:25:32 PM
The dump3er guy tells you: Sub 100 is coming. When? Soon...
Was the dump3er wrong before, when he said "This shit is crashing hard"?! No!
Was the the dump3er wrong when he said "Buy this bull trap now and sell it to inca on the top"? No!

If you are not listening to the dump3er you will be a dead astronaut!

Surrender, you maggots! Bow before the dump3er!


Bitcoin production costs is above $100. So forget sub $100 bitcoins.

Wrong. Smiley for people with free hardware no overhead and "free" electricty its close to zero.



But that is no indicator of its value. It can become $1000 in less then 6 months to make 1 BTC if more hardware hits the network.

I agree that mining costs are no indicator of value, but there is a stronger correlation than you are suggesting. People with free HW and free electricity do not have a significant share of the hashrate. If the price moves to $150-$100 territory a lot of miners will have to abort,and those who are left will be the ones with lower cost. For costs to increase tenfold in 6 months then you're mining with outdated HW. And then there is someone else mining at $100. There is no way the bitcoin mining industry is going to grow tenfold in 6 months with current gen HW or equivalent with next gen. That HW needs to come from somewhere, and it needs to be housed, and you'll need to find 4-6 Gigawatts of surplus energy. The mining business has entered the big league. The sharp rises will come from next gen HW hitting the network. Bitcoin is risky, so tying up massive amounts of physical infrastructure to an investment you might need to bail out on a couple of months later is not for the faint hearted. And that is for unknown risks, how will the industry adjust when rewards halves next year?

But if that is the case, that means that even if Bitcoin rises to the promised land of $3000+, miners will still be getting them at below $500 for months.



539. Post 10371897 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 05, 2015, 06:06:57 PM
^

Oh, another one that thinks that the population of Greece will adopt bitcoin. Haha!


Actually I think the majority of Greeks will be pimping out their daughters for cans of Spam, but a few will make out like bandits just like the Rooskies who bought up all those formerly state-owned businesses when shares were trading for pennies and then later became oligarchs.

Greece's new finmin is a socialist moron. I have zero hope the new Greek government will be anything but hostile to crypto. The beauty is it doesn't matter in the slightest. The laws of economics cannot be repealed by legislative fiat.
Yanis Varoufakis about financial system :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVxaTC7Qp44

I think he isn't so stupid..

Then you're stupid. He's claiming Greece has a solvency problem rather than a liquidity problem. No shit. A first year accounting student at a junior college could tell you that. But a doctor has to do more than just diagnose and his proposed prescription is poison.


Anyhew, at the end of the video he makes a comment that is relevant for anyone who feels the need to defend Bitcoin vs fiat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iVxaTC7Qp44#t=5578

I hope the timestamp works, if not it's at 1:32:58.



540. Post 10372046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on February 06, 2015, 01:19:01 AM
fnittfnatt

btcwisdom is working fine here.

client side error?


i don't think you'd want to watch anyway Cheesy

Turns out lambie can't use computers, no wonder he's so envious of bitcoiners.



541. Post 10374147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 06, 2015, 02:07:42 AM
^

Oh, another one that thinks that the population of Greece will adopt bitcoin. Haha!


Actually I think the majority of Greeks will be pimping out their daughters for cans of Spam, but a few will make out like bandits just like the Rooskies who bought up all those formerly state-owned businesses when shares were trading for pennies and then later became oligarchs.

Greece's new finmin is a socialist moron. I have zero hope the new Greek government will be anything but hostile to crypto. The beauty is it doesn't matter in the slightest. The laws of economics cannot be repealed by legislative fiat.
Yanis Varoufakis about financial system :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVxaTC7Qp44

I think he isn't so stupid..

Then you're stupid. He's claiming Greece has a solvency problem rather than a liquidity problem. No shit. A first year accounting student at a junior college could tell you that. But a doctor has to do more than just diagnose and his proposed prescription is poison.


Anyhew, at the end of the video he makes a comment that is relevant for anyone who feels the need to defend Bitcoin vs fiat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iVxaTC7Qp44#t=5578

I hope the timestamp works, if not it's at 1:32:58.

Lemme save you the time. He says that money only has value because we believe it has value. I suppose that's true in a certain context but useless. Economics professors (he's a prof) only have value because we believe they have value also. What determines MARKET value for anything is supply and demand and what determines the value of something to an individual is marginal utility. Any Econ Prof worth his salt will tell you that the first week of Econ 101.

I am not claiming that what he says is new or revolutionary, just that what he says is well said. And if you are dealing with gold-nuts (uugghhh...) or people who claim bitcoin is monopoly money or simply doesn't exist (yawn), it can be nice to refer to this. I have read half-way through quite a few posts before realizing that the person who wrote whatever I am reading doesn't really understand what money is.

Edit: And I recommend watching the video anyways. It was a good talk about international economics. You don't have to agree with him to enjoy his perspective of the crisis in Europe.



542. Post 10374976 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: Phillis on February 06, 2015, 10:00:58 AM
a little calm before the weekend pumping begins

FTFY



543. Post 10375202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: ghandi on February 06, 2015, 10:28:47 AM
Looks to me like the typical dump pattern...sideways some time, dump takes us lower...sideways some time...next dump...repeat till $100...

If you look at the one day chart it looks pretty much like November. And if that sticks we will soon have an upwards movement to $250-280 before...who knows... either more up or sideways down. This is not TA, it's just good old pattern recognition, the same stuff that sees faces on Mars.



544. Post 10377741 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: 8up on February 06, 2015, 03:19:51 PM
I love those charts where the USD is priced in BTC. Really makes it look like a failing currency. But you gotta keep in mind that Bitcoin is simply still sweeping up the obvious top or cream off of the whole FIAT cake.

Shorters will come soonishTM and fuck the delusional bulls out of existance!  Grin

Give it your best , MOFO!!!!




545. Post 10378505 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.56h):

Quote from: Sitarow on February 06, 2015, 05:00:23 PM
it's me again. the one who acurrately predicted the "serious crash to 220". my second prediction is that in just a few days it's going below 200 300, also i don't think we will be seeing 300's 200's for quite a while if ever again.

Well, even I can make one such post, o back edit it and predict the price exactly at a given time Wink

Exactly!

Predicting the price going down after falling for a year..... he must be Nostradamus.



546. Post 10386291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: aztecminer on February 07, 2015, 02:06:41 PM
This 225-230 pattern is fucking annoying. Are you guys making money out of this?


no. if we calculated in btc then i am in the green. if we calculate using btc value in usd then i am in the red. i am red in pms too. i think will stay that way as long as obama occupies the white house.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse
https://twitter.com/Interior/status/559388069821169668
https://twitter.com/Podesta44/status/559761754906173441
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/559814145105985536
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/560135634250387456

or until the economic crisis whichever comes first. we should allow the collapse while obama is still in office so him and his taxes can have the responsibility. although if it does happen while he is on office the catastrophe will likely be much worse and the fixes gay as hell and wont work .

Most of the problems you are identifying is governed by the republican led congress. But Obama is black and don't think poverty should carry a death sentence, so let's blame him.



547. Post 10386376 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Odalv on February 07, 2015, 02:11:08 PM
It's Huobi the anchor chain again. Must be the big Chinese mining pools still dumping coins. Don't they know the rest of the world is revving for the next bull run?

I think that you should explain it to them, that instead of selling bitcoins, they should sell their and their loved ones kidneys. That's how they could pay off some of the loans and electric bills, that have been accumulating throughout 2014.

Are these mining places even profitable any more ? I thought after the price fell, then even people getting free electricity aren't profitable.

A bit simplified, but say an underclocked SP20 at 1.2 TH/s uses 1000W. That would (at current difficulty) mine ~0.445 BTC or (at todays prices) $100 per month. If you consider the hardware as a sunk cost, you will be even with a electricity rate of 14 US cents (3.36 per day). At 10 cents you'd ROI your hardware after ten months. If you have free electricity you'd ROI would be 4 to 5 months.

Of course there are some other factors, but that is the basic picture.

30 days * $3.36 = $100 / 0.445 =>  1 BTC costs you $226
It is better to buy BTC directly.

Then you have places like China where the economy has grown 20x over the last 20 years. And guess what? Some of their investments were not as thought through as they would have liked. So you might have a shiny new power station in an area with no industry, and in order to not look like idiots the politicians/bureaucrats insist on there being smoke in those chimneys. That leaves you with pockets of nowhere with 1-2 cents Kw/h and local and regional officials desperate for industry to settle in the area. That is why a third world country dominates the bitcoin mining industry.



548. Post 10386410 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: aztecminer on February 07, 2015, 02:15:23 PM
waht do you guys think, will we going down or up?


i heard a rumor it was going up. the source of the rumor is pretty gay so i think it will float around here for awhile due to expanding growth . they had gary camron stop by and look over the growth of entrepreneur business's which is a very bad sign especially after the - obama - gary camron - piers (dartmouth) morgan - british gun grab attempt .

The british were so infinitely happy that you gave Piers Morgan a green card. That guy is poison.



549. Post 10386497 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: aztecminer on February 07, 2015, 02:20:23 PM
This 225-230 pattern is fucking annoying. Are you guys making money out of this?


no. if we calculated in btc then i am in the green. if we calculate using btc value in usd then i am in the red. i am red in pms too. i think will stay that way as long as obama occupies the white house.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse
https://twitter.com/Interior/status/559388069821169668
https://twitter.com/Podesta44/status/559761754906173441
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/559814145105985536
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/560135634250387456

or until the economic crisis whichever comes first. we should allow the collapse while obama is still in office so him and his taxes can have the responsibility. although if it does happen while he is on office the catastrophe will likely be much worse and the fixes gay as hell and wont work .

Most of the problems you are identifying is governed by the republican led congress. But Obama is black and don't think poverty should carry a death sentence, so let's blame him.


yeah cuz NOTHING is ever obama's fault.......... eva .

Well, he could have tried to whoop some arse in Syria and Ukraine instead of being outplayed by the KGB. He could also have let Rahm Emmanuel herd in those votes to close Guantanamo and get a less compromised health care package, but he thought Ted Kennedy would survive and that Republicans were interested in the wellbeing of the nation. That was a mistake.



550. Post 10387408 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: inca on February 07, 2015, 03:34:22 PM
Please don't quote the homophobic troll.

I don't know. If he leaves this place he might go somewhere where he could actually be harmful. I wouldn't want the likes of him trolling depressed teenagers.



551. Post 10388249 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: The KGB on February 07, 2015, 05:48:57 PM
This 225-230 pattern is fucking annoying. Are you guys making money out of this?


no. if we calculated in btc then i am in the green. if we calculate using btc value in usd then i am in the red. i am red in pms too. i think will stay that way as long as obama occupies the white house.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse
https://twitter.com/Interior/status/559388069821169668
https://twitter.com/Podesta44/status/559761754906173441
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/559814145105985536
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/560135634250387456

or until the economic crisis whichever comes first. we should allow the collapse while obama is still in office so him and his taxes can have the responsibility. although if it does happen while he is on office the catastrophe will likely be much worse and the fixes gay as hell and wont work .

Most of the problems you are identifying is governed by the republican led congress. But Obama is black and don't think poverty should carry a death sentence, so let's blame him.


yeah cuz NOTHING is ever obama's fault.......... eva .

Well, he could have tried to whoop some arse in Syria and Ukraine instead of being outplayed by the KGB. He could also have let Rahm Emmanuel herd in those votes to close Guantanamo and get a less compromised health care package, but he thought Ted Kennedy would survive and that Republicans were interested in the wellbeing of the nation. That was a mistake.

I cant possibly take credit for this.. you sir are insane.

LOL!



552. Post 10388433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Hit $230 on finex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIQn8pab8Vc



553. Post 10388631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on February 07, 2015, 06:52:14 PM
...
This is just the beginning of the great rally of 2015.



Can you imagine if the airline industry was trying to start out on the principles of this contraption? Yeah, that's what is happening with Bitcoin and the Captains of Industry here.

Nothing wrong with that thing, that's just a vibrator for big boned girls-



554. Post 10389201 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

I need it to hit $450 tomorrow, so put on your spending trousers and let that money flow.



555. Post 10389432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on February 07, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
Bitcoins are not a natural resource, they are a built in example for the proof of concept software that is called Bitcoin.

Let me guess, you want to tell us about some wonderful altcoin that nobody gives a shit about because you think it fixes some technical shortcomings in Bitcoin but you don't have the economic insight to see how far ahead Bitcoin is on every count that matters simply because it has stood the test of time and gone through the roller coaster any digital currency needs to go through to establish itself as a real alternative to fiat?



556. Post 10389482 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on February 07, 2015, 08:50:25 PM
Bitcoins are not a natural resource, they are a built in example for the proof of concept software that is called Bitcoin.

Smiley Numbers are not natural that is for sure Smiley

Not numbers, information. You missed the point btw.

Me too, probably. Makes me wonder if the hermeneutical problem we are facing boils down to your inability to make your point clearly.



557. Post 10389688 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Sitarow on February 07, 2015, 09:05:16 PM
Bitcoins are not a natural resource, they are a built in example for the proof of concept software that is called Bitcoin.

Smiley Numbers are not natural that is for sure Smiley

Not numbers, information. You missed the point btw.

Me too, probably. Makes me wonder if the hermeneutical problem we are facing boils down to your inability to make your point clearly.

Smiley I let facts work as (nonverbal communication)

Qe? I was referring to the other guy. I'm tired and in a shitty mood. Time to step away from the keyboard and watch some crappy chic flick I guess. When I wake up tomorrow this mofo had better be $300+!



558. Post 10393554 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: molecular on February 08, 2015, 07:56:43 AM
To be honest you are assuming that they are not keeping a % of the payment in BTC with their payment processor.

Some merchants may do that (just as some merchants actuall accept bitcoin directly, without BitPay's intermediation).  But I am pretty sure that Dell, Microsoft, Wikipedia, etc. do not.  Handling bitcoins requires extra work from accoutants, which is not worth the amount of payment received.  Losses from bitcoin price variations (as Overstock and Fortress suffered) would have to be reported in the quarterly reports, and would be hard to justify to stockholders.

Quote
Also what is important to note is that BTC like USD,CAD,YEN,CHY,GBP and any other currency is being accepted for payment Cheesy

SIgh.  No, it is not the same thing.  Dell USA does accept USD, because you can wire USD to their bank account directly. They do not accept CAD,YEN,CHY,GBP nor BTC, and you cannot send them any of those currencies directly; you must send them to some other company, that converts them to USD and sends the USD to Dell.

Jorge, can't you see that we are arguing about what 'accepting' means?  Everybody agrees about the model, the underlying chain of events that takes place during and after a payment (if a company chooses to get paid fully in fiat).  It's just that when a company allows you to pay for products in BTC, I call that "accepting BTC", whereas for you "accepting" apparently means whatever you are getting paid by the payment processor at the end of the process.  

I didn't follow the discussion leading to this, so maybe I'm out of line, but strangely it seems I'm siding with Stolfi on this. If we're talking about what it means to accept BTC I think we have to ask why we want companies to do that. In the end we'd like to see a purely Bitcoin-based economy with the companies using the BTC they're being payed with for their products to cover their cost (machinery, marketing, salaries, consulting, raw materials, insurance, taxes,...). In case of a company 'accepting' BTC through bitpay and converting 100% to fiat, this is clearly not the case.

So no: Dell is not accepting bitcoin. They're using it as a marketing tool.


If you or others can't see the significance of Dell, Microsoft and Paypal saying not only that they are interested in Bitcoin but that they consider it a sufficiently mature and legitimate medium of exchange that they are willing to accept it through their payments processors; then.... it doesn't matter because others will. We CAN get every business on the planet to accept and legitimize Bitcoin in this way, but we CAN'T get most companies to be bagholders.

There is no conceivable reason why Dell or Microsoft should accept Bitcoin directly. Even when Bitcoin is established enough for companies to transfer large sums between each other and internally, it wouldn't necessarily be very prudent to do that with bitcoins from customers. That would still go through payments processors and the management of their own bitcoins would be handled separately. Accepting payments through BitPay or Coinbase is to accept Bitcoin. Get over it!



559. Post 10393625 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: DaRude on February 08, 2015, 09:40:53 AM
My favorite one is the argument against adaption as a lot of people accepting bitcoins will bring more sell pressure on the currency as people will use their BTC to actually buy stuff  Shocked those cute fuzzy trolls  Kiss

When I see these numbnuts....





560. Post 10393671 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: elasticband on February 08, 2015, 09:45:48 AM
My favorite one is the argument against adaption as a lot of people accepting bitcoins will bring more sell pressure on the currency as people will use their BTC to actually buy stuff  Shocked those cute fuzzy trolls  Kiss

Unless there is reason for normal none BTC holding joe blogs to go out and buy bitcoin to then buy his online product, then yes more BTC business accepting adoption just equates to more ways for BTC hodlers to cash out and a downward sell pressure. without creating a demand for really using BTC in the real world, we are just creating more sell pressure.

Compared to last year, i can dump bitcoins so many different places now.

i've still yet to met a person who has wanted something online, then used their bank account to buy BTC, then his btc to buy the product, when they could have just used his bank account and skipped a step. people want seamless easy transactions, BTC - BTC provides that, fiat - BTC - fiat does not.


saying that i am very much so long on bitcoin




561. Post 10393739 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Globb0 on February 08, 2015, 09:49:42 AM
What are the specific benefits to a customer of using bitcoin?

Say Amazon take bitcoin tomorrow, it would still be an extra step and an extra conversion charge for the general public to use bitcoins. Unless they got paid in bitcoin and they would be pretty sick now if their salary was set at the value of 1200$/b.

Buying things from overseas? it simplifies I guess. But you lose any protection.

Sending money to someone far away. Not an everyday thing for general p.

Imagine if you have fairly grown up kids, but not grown up enough that you want to let them loose on the net with a credit card, but old enough that the amount of internet purchases they make far exceeds what you want to have to deal with. Bitcoin.

Imagine if you're a respectable mum or dad in a conservative neighborhood, but you just happen to love spending Sundays in your basement busting your whatever to german scheisse movies. Bitcoin.

Imagine that you found this marvelous doohickey that costs next to nothing on a site you don't trust. Bitcoin.

Imagine if you have a cousin somewhere in Africa or Asia who needs to get out of the country ASAP because shit's going down, or simply suddenly ran into some economic dire straits. Bitcoin.

Imagine.... use your imagination!

For crying out loud...



562. Post 10393820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: DaRude on February 08, 2015, 10:02:26 AM
My favorite one is the argument against adaption as a lot of people accepting bitcoins will bring more sell pressure on the currency as people will use their BTC to actually buy stuff  Shocked those cute fuzzy trolls  Kiss

Unless there is reason for normal none BTC holding joe blogs to go out and buy bitcoin to then buy his online product, then yes more BTC business accepting adoption just equates to more ways for BTC hodlers to cash out and a downward sell pressure. without creating a demand for really using BTC in the real world, we are just creating more sell pressure.

Compared to last year, i can dump bitcoins so many different places now.

i've still yet to met a person who has wanted something online, then used their bank account to buy BTC, then his btc to buy the product, when they could have just used his bank account and skipped a step. people want seamless easy transactions, BTC - BTC provides that, fiat - BTC - fiat does not.

All in due time. Blue chips giving their stamp of approval and deciding that bitcoin protocol is stable and safe enough for them to adopt is a major reinforcement. The more bitcoin gets accepted the more people start looking at it the more use cases it will find. Buying stuff you don't want traced back to you, gambling (where illegal), tipping, paying in different currency, unbanked, transferring wealth outside of currency controlled states, and vendors offering discounts are all good enough of incentives for me to go fiat -> btc ->transaction.

I'm just looking forward to when you can convert and withdraw Bitcoins directly from your net bank account. If bitcoins starts getting traction with the youtube generation, banks will be falling over themselves to offer such solutions.



563. Post 10393867 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: DaRude on February 08, 2015, 10:16:04 AM
What are the specific benefits to a customer of using bitcoin?

Say Amazon take bitcoin tomorrow, it would still be an extra step and an extra conversion charge for the general public to use bitcoins. Unless they got paid in bitcoin and they would be pretty sick now if their salary was set at the value of 1200$/b.

Buying things from overseas? it simplifies I guess. But you lose any protection.

Sending money to someone far away. Not an everyday thing for general p.

Imagine if you have fairly grown up kids, but not grown up enough that you want to let them loose on the net with a credit card, but old enough that the amount of internet purchases they make far exceeds what you want to have to deal with. Bitcoin.

Imagine if you're a respectable mum or dad in a conservative neighborhood, but you just happen to love spending Sundays in your basement busting your whatever to german scheisse movies. Bitcoin.

Imagine that you found this marvelous doohickey that costs next to nothing on a site you don't trust. Bitcoin.

Imagine if you have a cousin somewhere in Africa or Asia who needs to get out of the country ASAP because shit's going down, or simply suddenly ran into some economic dire straits. Bitcoin.

Imagine.... use your imagination!

For crying out loud...

Now imagine that worldwide.
And after all that explain why it's market cap should be less than say western union alone?

I think the problem in valuation is the initial distribution (aka the inflation of 3600 new mined BTC daily). That's a lot of coins looking for a holder even on a slow day. So BTC will be a wild ride, but it's a necessary evil and only temporary can't wait for (76 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes) http://bitcoinclock.com expecting it to have a huge effect on valuation once we'll start getting closer to that

Hopefully liquidity is such, by that time, that we won't even notce.



564. Post 10394075 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: DaRude on February 08, 2015, 10:29:51 AM
I think it's mostly accepted that cryptocurrency is here to stay. It's really hard to argue against a system that charges pennies for transaction. Think the only argument that i can sort of understand against bitcoin protocol are the alts. You know yes cryptocurrency is the future but is bitcoin myspace and facebook is about to come up. That one is a bit harder to argue against, but i think people would value maturity of a protocol when trusting it with their savings vs. the latest marginal improvement. So betting on maturity to be a determining factor against alts

MySpace wasn't an economical instrument. Building a stable unregulated currency takes time. A lot of geeks and programmers are looking for technical solutions, but they won't find it. Economics is at some very basic level a social science, and it won't be confined by maths and programming alone since social sciences can't be confined in paradigms



565. Post 10394138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: DaRude on February 08, 2015, 10:41:14 AM
What are the specific benefits to a customer of using bitcoin?

Say Amazon take bitcoin tomorrow, it would still be an extra step and an extra conversion charge for the general public to use bitcoins. Unless they got paid in bitcoin and they would be pretty sick now if their salary was set at the value of 1200$/b.

Buying things from overseas? it simplifies I guess. But you lose any protection.

Sending money to someone far away. Not an everyday thing for general p.

Imagine if you have fairly grown up kids, but not grown up enough that you want to let them loose on the net with a credit card, but old enough that the amount of internet purchases they make far exceeds what you want to have to deal with. Bitcoin.

Imagine if you're a respectable mum or dad in a conservative neighborhood, but you just happen to love spending Sundays in your basement busting your whatever to german scheisse movies. Bitcoin.

Imagine that you found this marvelous doohickey that costs next to nothing on a site you don't trust. Bitcoin.

Imagine if you have a cousin somewhere in Africa or Asia who needs to get out of the country ASAP because shit's going down, or simply suddenly ran into some economic dire straits. Bitcoin.

Imagine.... use your imagination!

For crying out loud...

Now imagine that worldwide.
And after all that explain why it's market cap should be less than say western union alone?

I think the problem in valuation is the initial distribution (aka the inflation of 3600 new mined BTC daily). That's a lot of coins looking for a holder even on a slow day. So BTC will be a wild ride, but it's a necessary evil and only temporary can't wait for (76 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes) http://bitcoinclock.com expecting it to have a huge effect on valuation once we'll start getting closer to that

Hopefully liquidity is such, by that time, that we won't even notce.

Well, i don't have the stats but i imagine that by far the majority of coins is not traded. And i doubt those early adopters been increasing their stashes by 10% yearly. Now 10% is a lot in itself. But when you consider that only 50% are traded, now 20% of asks would come from new coins, if you think only 30% are traded whopping 33% of sell pressure would be new minted coins. BTC liquidity is proportional to price too, when it was $1 it was normal to see BTC25k BTC walls when it was $500 or so people still draw pictures of a BTC30k bearwhale. The higher price implies higher demand, thus the higher the price the more effect THE HALVING of supply will have.

All I meant was that if BTC takes off in a Really Big Way with buying and selling vs hoarding and speculating, liquidity would be at a level where the market would absorb those coins without it having such a distorting impact. We are quite far away from there, but I can't help dreaming.



566. Post 10397898 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Wekkel on February 08, 2015, 06:04:15 PM

I think it is worthwhile to add this snippet. This criticism makes sense.

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Everybody thought Bitcoin was gonna bring them freedom and liberty, but what it has brought them are three different kinds of entrapment. Let’s take these lessons, and make a Bitcoin that is useless to Wall Street, that doesn’t automatically create a cartel of miners, and that doesn’t leave a power vacuum for development which some Foundation will fill.

Read thru all the twaddle written by the GNU-people during the 80s and 90s and look at where GNU/Linux is now. The technology will carve its own path if there is any merit to it.



567. Post 10398416 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Ok people, listen up!

I need to cash out some of my stash soon so I need this mofo to rise ASAP!



568. Post 10404059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Dumpdy dump, dump...



569. Post 10404099 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on February 09, 2015, 12:11:04 PM
yawn..

still over 200

Yes, but I want rockets!!! You can't get to the moon by bungee jumping!! Fly mofo!! FLYYYYY!!!!!



570. Post 10404124 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

That was pitiful. What a bunch of limp dicks these dumpers turned out to be.



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572. Post 10408637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 09, 2015, 05:02:11 PM
Remember kids...

the price doesn't matter,

bad news doesn't matter,

China doesn't matter.

Nothing matters in BTCland other than pictures of honey badgers and walls of text proclaiming the NWO.

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Lemme save you the time. He says that money only has value because we believe it has value. I suppose that's true in a certain context but useless. Economics professors (he's a prof) only have value because we believe they have value also. What determines MARKET value for anything is supply and demand and what determines the value of something to an individual is marginal utility. Any Econ Prof worth his salt will tell you that the first week of Econ 101.
BillyJoeAllenRedneck firefighter who can't spell his own home state correctly

And of course even those with an education are wrong, wrong, wrong.

So, make sure to keep buying BTC with your credit card...if Cletus here says its good, why worry.

Yanis Varoufakis admits he's a Marxist, which means he's still clinging to the thoroughly discredited Labor Theory of Value when it was replaced by Marginal Utility by all non-Marxist economists about a century ago.

Certain people seem to put an exorbitant amount of effort into discrediting me. Why? I'm a nobody from nowhere. What is it that I am saying that is so dangerous that it requires these ad hominem attacks?

Beware the short squeeze boys and girls. It's coming.

I enjoy Varoufakis but I am very aware that he is a marxist. He has an interesting perspective. And maybe that is what Europe and Greece needs for a couple of years, just to shake things up a bit. Of course he gets hung up in imaginary problems and have a lot of blind spots, he is a marxist. He sort of reminds me of the marxist/post-marxist Slavoj Zizek, who sort of floats my boat. Not for serious philosophy, just for relaxing and playing with concepts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maex3jW0Yw8

With regards to nanobrain, it's in the nick. But I think she's the only lady-troll here; which is nice, I guess.



573. Post 10409664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: podyx on February 09, 2015, 08:57:04 PM
Pathetic attempt from the bears... surprise surprise

I sold at $220 so we better fucking go down.

Bullish...



574. Post 10410322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

We're not the only ones with launch problems. Spacex had to cancel their launch today for the second day in a row, of the Discovr mission to L1. Wonder if it's connected. Then we should be To da Moon and Beyond tomorrow. If they can get that rocket off the pad.



575. Post 10415935 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):


11h31m left. This mofo is going To Da Moon and Beyond!

http://new.livestream.com/spacex/events/3783845




576. Post 10418783 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: macsga on February 10, 2015, 04:35:10 PM
7 days until the Euro crashes. Can't wait.

I'm assuming you are referring to the troika's demand that Greece submit a bail-out plan that they will not submit, prompting a Greek Gov't shutdown and a massive bank-run. 

What non-senses are you people writing here? What Gov't shutdown? Bank-run?!? I have a feeling you know the situation as you are from Mars. There's 0 chance of Government shutdown, they have a brand new Gov't less then a month old which got elected with massive support announcing that it will do exactly what it is doing now. If Greece leaves the Euro-zone it will be better both for the Greece and the Euro.

Greece is out of money because the fools who got elected promised tax breaks and the fools who elected them stopped paying their taxes, hoping to get a better deal. So now it's not just the banks that are out of cash, but the government as well.

You got it all wrong in so many ways... I wonder if you even know where Greece is on the map... Grin

I'ts fun when americans try to understand politics.

Try telling him that not everyone has a gun in Greece.

MMMUURICAAA!!!



577. Post 10418831 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: octaft on February 10, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Your join date is 2011.
You must have made a lot of money out of BTC.

Bet this place was better without the trolls.

this forum always has been a troll fest.

When the prices are rising we have bulltrolls saying that bitcoin will reach 10M by next year and tracing exponential growth graphics.

When prices are in downtrend we have Lamb Chop and his ponies.

Yup. The hypocrisy of people complaining about bear trolls when those same people were calling for 100k per bitcoin back during the last major run-up gets pretty old after a while.

So spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how great it is is the same as spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how crap it is and how stupid bitcoiners are?

Don't get me wrong. I don't need an echo chamber in here, but I tend to distinguish between trolls and enthusiasts.



578. Post 10422585 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: octaft on February 10, 2015, 07:43:08 PM
Yup. The hypocrisy of people complaining about bear trolls when those same people were calling for 100k per bitcoin back during the last major run-up gets pretty old after a while.

So spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how great it is is the same as spending time on a BITCOIN forum talking about how crap it is and how stupid bitcoiners are?

Don't get me wrong. I don't need an echo chamber in here, but I tend to distinguish between trolls and enthusiasts.

I think you misread my post, so allow me to clarify for you: I did not say "people who talk about how great bitcoin is." I said "those same people were calling for 100k per bitcoin."

Can you see the difference between "I love bitcoin, bitcoin is great" and "OMFG BUY BUY BUY BITCOIN TO 100k! WHAT RETARD IS SELLING RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 700 AND GOING UP UP UP!"

If you say nothing but the former, then sure, get pissed when someone responds with "bitcoin fucking sucks you stupid asshole go die in a fire." But if you spammed the latter during the huge rise -- which have always historically preceded big drops -- you can't be mad when someone goes "DOWN DOWN DOWN BITCOIN TO 10!" in the middle of a plummet. Well, you can, but you'd be an enormous hypocrite.

Think about it: both sides know they're full of shit and cannot even come close to guaranteeing their assertions, but they will speak as if their opinion is absolutely infallible and inevitable. Ultimately, I think that is okay. IMO it's fine to bullshit. I mean, if you shorted, for example, you obviously think price is going down, so all you're doing by calling for $10 bitcoins is being hyperbolic (nobody can reasonably expect $10 bitcoins in the next month or two, just like nobody could reasonable expect 100k coins within a couple of months when we are at 900).

Hyperbole doesn't annoy me, but hypocrisy does -- in this case, bullshitting, then getting mad when someone bullshits from the opposite side.

Not to say that there are no bear trolls -- I imagine a lot of them are prodding with sticks to gauge sentiment rather than straight-up getting paid -- but yeah no doubt there definitely are. But if you truly believe in bitcoin, and still strongly believe it's going to skyrocket, you would be patient and wait for that to happen so you can laugh in their faces about it. The fact that people respond so caustically to the trolls -- whereas during the bull market they were laughed off -- tells you something about the changing sentiment and lingering doubt, which could mean there is still a ways to go as that doubt turns into despair when those final bulls turn bear.

Ok, I guess I see a distinction between enthusiasts, traders who talk their book, traders who talk their book by trolling, and just sadist asshole sociopath trolls. The two former I don't mind, the two latter annoys me and usually end up on my ignore list. The problem is probably where the line is drawn with regards to the two in the middle. And if people bother to distinguish between the two latter. To call the numbnuts who were quoting the winkledinkles' 40k remarks over and over again, trolls, seems a bit far fetched. But I haven't paid attention so they might have been really annoying. I tend to call for moonshots myself, but it is really just a commentary on my despair.



579. Post 10422820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 11, 2015, 02:00:50 AM


Also, to the original poster, instead of your diminutive attitude to 'the lefties', how about acknowledging that the 'righties' that created this mess in the first place are finally displaced from power. Finally there's a change of course for the better.

How do you figure that? "Righties" are usually recognized as Nationalists, most of whom never wanted an EU in the first place. For them, it was an issue of national sovereignty.

Most European countries don't have two-party systems. The right are often liberals (not what americans call liberals), social liberals,  conservatives or christian conservatives. And of course some brown populist party who hates immigrants and muslims, and loves american cars and Elvis and get caught pretending to be Hitler in the mirror.



580. Post 10422964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 11, 2015, 04:25:46 AM


Also, to the original poster, instead of your diminutive attitude to 'the lefties', how about acknowledging that the 'righties' that created this mess in the first place are finally displaced from power. Finally there's a change of course for the better.

How do you figure that? "Righties" are usually recognized as Nationalists, most of whom never wanted an EU in the first place. For them, it was an issue of national sovereignty.

Most European countries don't have two-party systems. The right are often liberals (not what americans call liberals), social liberals,  conservatives or christian conservatives. And of course some brown populist party who hates immigrants and muslims, and loves american cars and Elvis and get caught pretending to be Hitler in the mirror.



I am guessing Julian is pointing to the liberal-conservative-christian-democrats New Democracy. However it seems like the government of the Panhellenic Socialist Movement was just as guilty at producing misleading statistics to hide overspending. Which is why people see Syriza as an alternative. And it seems like Syriza understands that it doesn't have a radical socialist mandate, but rather a moderate socialist mandate as outsiders of the "corrupt" political system and as a voice for a better deal for Greece as a part of the EU.



581. Post 10425962 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
You judge Europe as if it's a singular behemothic superstate.

HUH?? I implied nothing of the sort. It's a multi-juristictional bureaucratic nightmare, But which country is in which organization is not really relevant to my point which is that a monetary union cannot succeed without fiscal and/or political union.

I used to think the U.S. Dollar was the worst possible form of currency, marrying fiat with fractional reserve lending, but you Europeans actually surpassed us. You combined the inflationary instability of fiat with the inflexibility of hard currency AND fractional lending. Wow, that's an accomplishment. I mean I know the Euro is nothing like a PM-backed currency, but to member states that need to adjust monetary policy differently, it might as well be.




and the winner is.... german export blitz.

to the german export industry the euro is not a nightmare but a wet dream come true. an economy with such export strength would sooner or later get a stronger currency = higher prices for their goods = less sales. germany is (ab)using the weak PIGS countries as class a weapons in the currency war.  it could not work better for them.

all this just to get a giant trade surplus.

Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery".

he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around

I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there.



582. Post 10427547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 12:50:04 PM


Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery".

he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around

I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there.
as i said it is very complicated...it is not that i have anything against germany...the export strength (industry, cars,...) is just a huge factor...then came the sanctions on russia which changed the table a bit since russia is a big trading partner....ahh...it is way to complicated to explain here...it took me months on reading articles & books of different types and still i have no idea how we could get out of this misere...my biggest concern is that pro kiev nazi shit going on...and why the usa wants to put as basically into a war with russia...
anyway...i do think tsirpas could be the right man for the job (for the greeks)...a change was overdue

Be a bit more critical about your sources. There is no "pro kiev nazi shit" going on of any significance. Every country has racist nationalists, Russia and Greece as well, The current government in Kiev is run by moderates and liberals backed by part of the former Yanukovich party and part of the left. The ukranian Svoboda has 7 out of 450 seats in the ukranian parliament. Their militant equivalent Right Sector has one member in parliament and got one of their leaders, Muzychko, killed by the police under the current government. Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

They had a problem with a lot of bloggers and intellectuals pointing to the nordic countries and telling people how great society is in these places. And Finland and Sweden are neutral countries outside of NATO so Kreml couldn't convincingly claim that they were evil in that respect.  So Kreml started a campaign against the child protection services of the nordic countries. Likening them to nazi purification programs and telling Russians that they will steal your baby if you visit those countries. And because no russians dare to talk to the child protection services of those countries now, they have a lot of cases where they are completely stuck. So Russia starts accusing these countries of one kidnapping after the other, and since these cases are confidential the nordic child protection services cannot offer specifics. Russia knows this so they know that they then can accuse these countries of intentionally trying to hide their crimes... and so it goes on and on and on.

If you switch out Film Actors Guild with europeans and Kim Jong Il with Putin, this speech shuld be illuminating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs

Sorry if it's a bit much.



583. Post 10427790 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 03:19:31 PM


Are you insane or just stupid? What good does it do to "sell" exports to people on credit when they default on the credit? How beneficial is it to give your stuff away? A trade surplus just means you're giving more stuff than you're getting. That's BAD not good. A weak currency helps your exporters but hurts you when you have to import the raw materials and energy. It's also terrible for capital formation (savings). There's a name for a condition where everybody works but nobody gets paid. It's called "slavery".

he is right with the german export blitz...it is not that easy to understand at first...but most european countries suffer mostly because of the german export strength...especially the "weaker" southern states have a major problem...it is a very complex scenario and you should read much more into it than some posts on a bitcoin board if you want to understand it better...actually i cannot give you any links because my common sources are all german...but maybe there is someone else around

I am the last to defend germans, but being blamed for everything bad because you're making too much good stuff is pretty weak. Greece needs to build competitive businesses. Italy needs to turn their brilliant "father and son" businesses and national champions towards global export (look at Fiat and several fashion brands). Spain has done a lot of things right but their willfully blind reliance on construction to keep growth up, rather than adjusting to the new economic reality after the new member states arrived in 2003, hurt the economy immensely. Ireland is pretty much back on its feet ( but the irish will always think that they are falling behind). Portugal is more of a problem, they have much of the same problems that Greece has except they haven't been fudging the numbers like Greece. But when the crisis hit, their problems were laid bare. If Germany, Finland, France and The Netherlands can't forgive Greece, then they should try to give a hand to Portugal and stop the contagion there.
as i said it is very complicated...it is not that i have anything against germany...the export strength (industry, cars,...) is just a huge factor...then came the sanctions on russia which changed the table a bit since russia is a big trading partner....ahh...it is way to complicated to explain here...it took me months on reading articles & books of different types and still i have no idea how we could get out of this misere...my biggest concern is that pro kiev nazi shit going on...and why the usa wants to put as basically into a war with russia...
anyway...i do think tsirpas could be the right man for the job (for the greeks)...a change was overdue

Be a bit more critical about your sources. There is no "pro kiev nazi shit" going on of any significance. Every country has racist nationalists, Russia and Greece as well, The current government in Kiev is run by moderates and liberals backed by part of the former Yanukovich party and part of the left. The ukranian Svoboda has 7 out of 450 seats in the ukranian parliament. Their militant equivalent Right Sector has one member in parliament and got one of their leaders, Muzychko, killed by the police under the current government. Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

They had a problem with a lot of bloggers and intellectuals pointing to the nordic countries and telling people how great society is in these places. And Finland and Sweden are neutral countries outside of NATO so Kreml couldn't convincingly claim that they were evil in that respect.  So Kreml started a campaign against the child protection services of the nordic countries. Likening them to nazi purification programs and telling Russians that they will steal your baby if you visit those countries. And because no russians dare to talk to the child protection services of those countries now, they have a lot of cases where they are completely stuck. So Russia starts accusing these countries of one kidnapping after the other, and since these cases are confidential the nordic child protection services cannot offer specifics. Russia knows this so they know that they then can accuse these countries of intentionally trying to hide their crimes... and so it goes on and on and on.

If you switch out Film Actors Guild with europeans and Kim Jong Il with Putin, this speech shuld be illuminating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs

Sorry if it's a bit much.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98c_1420756264

i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on...

Thinking that the soviet union were bigger a-holes than the germans doesn't make you a nazi. A bit stupid or naive, but not nazi. His party isn't nazi either, but Ukraine is under attack by Russia, so you might find some comments emanating from Ukraine that are quite hostile to Russia.

I am sure Saakashvili doesn't normally eat ties, but when the Red Army comes knocking you can loose it a bit.




584. Post 10427948 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 03:45:22 PM
@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote

Well, those months were obviously a waste. Most of us who are interested in international politics have been keeping an eye on these things for decades, and being critical of your sources is alpha and omega in the internet era. But go ahead, be a Kreml stooge. I am struggling to care.



585. Post 10428046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Miz4r on February 11, 2015, 03:57:53 PM
Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive.

I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him?



586. Post 10428299 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Miz4r on February 11, 2015, 04:04:25 PM
Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive.

I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him?

I'm not talking about reptilians, I'm talking about you believing in all kinds of Russian conspiracies and thinking the US has none of that going on lol.

If you are unable to see that the way the US and the EU approaches the rest of the world is radically different from the way Putins Russia approaches the world, then I cannot help you.



587. Post 10428451 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: itod on February 11, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98c_1420756264

i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on...

Thinking that the soviet union were bigger a-holes than the germans doesn't make you a nazi. A bit stupid or naive, but not nazi. His party isn't nazi either, but Ukraine is under attack by Russia, so you might find some comments emanating from Ukraine that are quite hostile to Russia.

Yes it does, you just can't compare defense of your country in WWII, which Soviet Union did, with Nazi aggression. A bit milder stance of putting an equality sign between them doesn't make you a Nazi, but only a Nazi sympathizer. Ukrainian leadership is composed of Nazi sympathizers (who think they are equal) and pure Nazis (who think Soviets are worse), and many of them openly raise their arms in Hitler salute in public, as you can see in the picture on the link above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywfzniko4vQ


I thought being a Nazi was somehow related to believing in, and/or promoting a racist fascist ideology? How could I be so wrong? Oh well...




588. Post 10428695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.57h):

Quote from: Miz4r on February 11, 2015, 04:33:47 PM
Don't underestimate the former KGBs ability to manipulate events and manipulate world opinion. Russia is the country where all the conspiracy theories are true.

Of course.. and the US isn't manipulating events and world opinion at all right? They both use the same methods and both sides are being manipulated by forces that go beyond individual countries. Come on don't be naive.

I obviously opened a can worms here. Where is that Reptilian dude when we need him?

I'm not talking about reptilians, I'm talking about you believing in all kinds of Russian conspiracies and thinking the US has none of that going on lol.

If you are unable to see that the way the US and the EU approaches the rest of the world is radically different from the way Putins Russia approaches the world, then I cannot help you.

It's actually not different at all, you are clearly biased to see things from one point of view. You know the saying that all wars are banker wars? Well that's actually not far from the truth, although perhaps a tad too simplistic. But at least more accurate than the simplistic US and EU are the good guys and Russia the bad guys.  Roll Eyes

Russia doesn't have a functioning system of checks and balances or any real separation between the legislative Duma, the executive presidency, or the courts. There are no institutionalized critical voices inside or outside the government except for a couple of newspapers whose journalists have a seriously reduced life expectancy and an internet TV channel named Dozhd(tvrain) who's been under a barrage of attacks lately. To claim that Russia is just a normal country is an offense to all the people in Russia trying to make a change, and all of the victims of the current regime who's either been killed or imprisoned for their political beliefs.

The funny thing is that you probably think you have a balanced view of matters. But the world isn't balanced, it is often quite skewed.



589. Post 10428751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 04:24:31 PM
@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote

Well, those months were obviously a waste. Most of us who are interested in international politics have been keeping an eye on these things for decades, and being critical of your sources is alpha and omega in the internet era. But go ahead, be a Kreml stooge. I am struggling to care.

well this is one of the reasons why i usually don't talk about this topic in public boards anymore...all you did was discrediting me...for what reason? because i have a different opinion? differnet sources? you didn't even try to answer to what i said
whatever...think what you want to think...i am out of that topic

You are presenting unsubstantiated lies as fact. What am I supposed to do? Nod and smile?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywfzniko4vQ



590. Post 10428838 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: itod on February 11, 2015, 05:02:27 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98c_1420756264

i know...i did not put a lot of effort into finding an english source...jazenjuk is not somebody...they may not be the majority but they are "also" in power....then there was also the odessa incident...the miliz is basically a neo nazi group...and so on...

Thinking that the soviet union were bigger a-holes than the germans doesn't make you a nazi. A bit stupid or naive, but not nazi. His party isn't nazi either, but Ukraine is under attack by Russia, so you might find some comments emanating from Ukraine that are quite hostile to Russia.

Yes it does, you just can't compare defense of your country in WWII, which Soviet Union did, with Nazi aggression. A bit milder stance of putting an equality sign between them doesn't make you a Nazi, but only a Nazi sympathizer. Ukrainian leadership is composed of Nazi sympathizers (who think they are equal) and pure Nazis (who think Soviets are worse), and many of them openly raise their arms in Hitler salute in public, as you can see in the picture on the link above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywfzniko4vQ


I thought being a Nazi was somehow related to believing in, and/or promoting a racist fascist ideology? How could I be so wrong? Oh well...

What a coincidence he raised his arm that way!

Notice these:


Those are white supremacy insignia carried by the most of Prime minister's supporters:

Yes, what a coincidence that he raised his arm like every other politician on the face of the planet, except for John McCain (but he has issues with his neck or something).



591. Post 10429059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
@fatman. It makes no sense to talk about it anyway. I said it took me months to know what i know. I read in Every Direction. This is fucked. And i can assure You that giving the kiev leaders weapons will not soften that Problem.
Why are they the ukrainian leaders? Half of the country was not even allowed to vote

Well, those months were obviously a waste. Most of us who are interested in international politics have been keeping an eye on these things for decades, and being critical of your sources is alpha and omega in the internet era. But go ahead, be a Kreml stooge. I am struggling to care.

well this is one of the reasons why i usually don't talk about this topic in public boards anymore...all you did was discrediting me...for what reason? because i have a different opinion? differnet sources? you didn't even try to answer to what i said
whatever...think what you want to think...i am out of that topic

You are presenting unsubstantiated lies as fact. What am I supposed to do? Nod and smile?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywfzniko4vQ

as i said...it was about the quote...i didnt even care about the picture
"We all remember the soviet advance into Ukraine and into Germany very well. This has to be prevented and nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the second world war." (c) Jazenjuk...this was also only one point...this happened at an interview with the ARD (the main public german tv channel...i dont know if you have anything similar in the usa)...my point was that things like these happened a lot in the last months but there is no public discussion about it...the same with odessa where they trapped people in a building and set it on fire...whoever came out got shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q   how do you reply to this...is this a made up lie for you?

I wasn't there. But as far as I can gather Russia attacked Ukraine, people got angry, shit happened. If you think you have figured it all out from that video then good for you. I do know that people were a bit on edge in that region because there were rumors that Russia would try to send provocateurs to Transnistria through there. I don't know why Russia would do that (Transnistria is very pro-russian as it is), but that was the rumor.



592. Post 10429115 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on February 11, 2015, 05:39:51 PM
The train has been quietly boarding over the past few days.

CCMF ?

YEAH BABY!!!!



593. Post 10429807 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 05:45:27 PM


as i said...it was about the quote...i didnt even care about the picture
"We all remember the soviet advance into Ukraine and into Germany very well. This has to be prevented and nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the second world war." (c) Jazenjuk...this was also only one point...this happened at an interview with the ARD (the main public german tv channel...i dont know if you have anything similar in the usa)...my point was that things like these happened a lot in the last months but there is no public discussion about it...the same with odessa where they trapped people in a building and set it on fire...whoever came out got shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q   how do you reply to this...is this a made up lie for you?

I wasn't there. But as far as I can gather Russia attacked Ukraine, people got angry, shit happened. If you think you have figured it all out from that video then good for you. I do know that people were a bit on edge in that region because there were rumors that Russia would try to send provocateurs to Transnistria through there. I don't know why Russia would do that (Transnistria is very pro-russian as it is), but that was the rumor.

it's good that you finally admit that you have no idea what is going on there...it is just one video...yes...this is why i said i am into this topic for months and it is not explainable in a board as a sidetopic...(actually it is about a year especially the ukraine problem, i didn't consider the maidan movement a real threat in the beginning)...anyway...since you don't want to get to gain more knowledge about that topic, we can talk about bitcoin again

Yeez, ok. You have a funny way of "gaining knowledge". You seem so hooked up on reading between the lines that you can't make out what the text actually says. If you look up the parties of the current government on wikipedia you will find what those parties stand for. That is why they were elected and that is what the people want. If some of those politicians are secretly assholes then they will be no different from any other political party in the world. I even showed you a video that showed that the prime ministers salute was an innocent hand gesture and you proceeded to moan on about the text under that same picture I had just proved to be propaganda even when I had asked you several times to be more critical of your sources. Another thing, people say stupid things all the time, you have to look at the whole picture. Yes, there are nazis in Ukraine, of course they run front and center when Russia invades Ukraine. Yes, Yatsenyuks comments about Germany during the second world war is a massive brain fart.

Ukraine was pulled out of one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes in the world until then into another. They struggle to paint it black and white. The greatest farming nation in Europe had to suffer a famine that cost between 2.5 and 7.5 million deaths because of soviet policies. And soviet death squads rolled up in trucks to shoot anyone who made any resistance. After this the germans were viewed with different eyes by many ukranians than in other countries. Ironically Ukraine was one the countries that were hardest hit by the german terror, and it didn't make it better that a significant portion of ukranians were collaborators. And after the ukranian independence they have have tended to focus more on their role as victim than their many collaborators. That makes them ignorant in this regard, but not nazis. I hope the new democratic Ukraine will take a harder look at their past, but that is not the most pressing matter today.



594. Post 10430279 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 11, 2015, 07:08:19 PM


as i said...it was about the quote...i didnt even care about the picture
"We all remember the soviet advance into Ukraine and into Germany very well. This has to be prevented and nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the second world war." (c) Jazenjuk...this was also only one point...this happened at an interview with the ARD (the main public german tv channel...i dont know if you have anything similar in the usa)...my point was that things like these happened a lot in the last months but there is no public discussion about it...the same with odessa where they trapped people in a building and set it on fire...whoever came out got shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q   how do you reply to this...is this a made up lie for you?

I wasn't there. But as far as I can gather Russia attacked Ukraine, people got angry, shit happened. If you think you have figured it all out from that video then good for you. I do know that people were a bit on edge in that region because there were rumors that Russia would try to send provocateurs to Transnistria through there. I don't know why Russia would do that (Transnistria is very pro-russian as it is), but that was the rumor.

it's good that you finally admit that you have no idea what is going on there...it is just one video...yes...this is why i said i am into this topic for months and it is not explainable in a board as a sidetopic...(actually it is about a year especially the ukraine problem, i didn't consider the maidan movement a real threat in the beginning)...anyway...since you don't want to get to gain more knowledge about that topic, we can talk about bitcoin again

Yeez, ok. You have a funny way of "gaining knowledge". You seem so hooked up on reading between the lines that you can't make out what the text actually says. If you look up the parties of the current government on wikipedia you will find what those parties stand for. That is why they were elected and that is what the people want. If some of those politicians are secretly assholes then they will be no different from any other political party in the world. I even showed you a video that showed that the prime ministers salute was an innocent hand gesture and you proceeded to moan on about the text under that same picture I had just proved to be propaganda even when I had asked you several times to be more critical of your sources. Another thing, people say stupid things all the time, you have to look at the whole picture. Yes, there are nazis in Ukraine, of course they run front and center when Russia invades Ukraine. Yes, Yatsenyuks comments about Germany during the second world war is a massive brain fart.

Ukraine was pulled out of one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes in the world until then into another. They struggle to paint it black and white. The greatest farming nation in Europe had to suffer a famine that cost between 2.5 and 7.5 million deaths because of soviet policies. And soviet death squads rolled up in trucks to shoot anyone who made any resistance. After this the germans were viewed with different eyes by many ukranians than in other countries. Ironically Ukraine was one the countries that were hardest hit by the german terror, and it didn't make it better that a significant portion of ukranians were collaborators. And after the ukranian independence they have have tended to focus more on their role as victim than their many collaborators. That makes them ignorant in this regard, but not nazis. I hope the new democratic Ukraine will take a harder look at their past, but that is not the most pressing matter today.
you are not getting my point...just let it rest...ok? this is not worldpoliticstalk.org anyway

I don't accept your point. I disagree with you. If you want to think that means that I don't get it, then you're welcome to do so.



595. Post 10430410 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: podyx on February 11, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
Looks like we're finally going down

Hmmm.... bullish



596. Post 10430437 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 11, 2015, 08:05:31 PM
Looks like we're finally going down

Hmmm.... bullish

Or was it FindFTP who was always wrong?



597. Post 10430607 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: bitcoinvest on February 11, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
what is your opinion on grexit? is it going to happen? will they let us leave eurozone? and if so, will this affect the price of bitcoin?

Nobody wants a grexit, not even Syriza. But something has to give soon, if Greece gets IMF on their side it might be difficult for the creditor nations to resist some kind of debt relief, but what form and what size is impossible to know right now. If, however there is a grexit, some might decide to move their money into Bitcoin just make sure that neither the greek government nor the EU can get control over them.



598. Post 10430685 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 11, 2015, 08:22:31 PM
That was pretty weak

thanks for the coins @ 218


There are no traders dumping at this price. Any coins sold come from miners or more likely Bitpay vendors.

At the same time I'm not buying either, because I've already accumulated all the coins I want unless they get cheaper. Something's gotta give and all we can really do right now is wait.

It sort of looks like November/December, except there isn't anywhere to fall. I would think that 0 would be an absolute bottom. But I have been wrong before.



599. Post 10430735 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 11, 2015, 08:34:47 PM
what is your opinion on grexit? is it going to happen? will they let us leave eurozone? and if so, will this affect the price of bitcoin?

Nobody wants a grexit, not even Syriza. But something has to give soon, if Greece gets IMF on their side it might be difficult for the creditor nations to resist some kind of debt relief, but what form and what size is impossible to know right now.

Grexit will happen because there are three outcomes and grexit is the not the worst case scenario for either side. Possibilities:
1)Greek bank run with no bail-out leading to collapse of economy and government
2) Writedowns/write offs of Greek debt leading several other countries to re-negotiate austerity terms and massive losses to sovereign debt-holders.
3)  Grexit.

It's going to happen. The only real question is "when?"

You are assuming that the EU or Greece will choose the less bad option. Ballsy!

A more likely reason why there can be a grexit is simply because everyone fucks up and are forced to accept a grexit that nobody wants. That would be politics european style!



600. Post 10430941 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: aztecminer on February 11, 2015, 08:49:08 PM
what is your opinion on grexit? is it going to happen? will they let us leave eurozone? and if so, will this affect the price of bitcoin?

Nobody wants a grexit, not even Syriza. But something has to give soon, if Greece gets IMF on their side it might be difficult for the creditor nations to resist some kind of debt relief, but what form and what size is impossible to know right now.

Grexit will happen because there are three outcomes and grexit is the not the worst case scenario for either side. Possibilities:
1)Greek bank run with no bail-out leading to collapse of economy and government
2) Writedowns/write offs of Greek debt leading several other countries to re-negotiate austerity terms and massive losses to sovereign debt-holders.
3)  Grexit.

It's going to happen. The only real question is "when?"


the EU's new round of QE is a round of desperation. The problem seems to be that the greeks are publicly admitting they are bankrupt and they cannot pay their debt. If they continue the road they are on with austerities then the greek people will suffer for years and years and possibly even more years. If the greeks default then everyone holding their debt will lose. If the EU gives in to restructuring greek debt without austerities then other EU countries will want the same treatment. If the greek exit the EU then we will could start to see a stampede out of the EU by other countries facing the same problems. I think we are watching the start of the world economic crisis.



If they "restructure" the debt of especially Greece and Portugal to a point where the debts are realistically manageable, the EU might avoid a recession which would be far more costly than any concessions they can possibly make to those two countries.

However, to your last point: I fear so too. The German Juggernaut and their north european co-creditors are not ready to make sufficient concessions. They have been spending the last seven years showing their own population how tough and ruthless they can be to Greece instead of preparing them for a situation where concessions might be needed. That kind of irrational shortsightedness might have already sent us off the cliff.



601. Post 10431047 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: octaft on February 11, 2015, 09:00:35 PM
If, however there is a grexit, some might decide to move their money into Bitcoin just make sure that neither the greek government nor the EU can get control over them.

Knowing little about this topic and giving significantly less fucks than any of you discussing it, I must say it makes it hard to take your (the collective) opinions seriously when you all say shit like this (although I never take BJA seriously, to be honest). To an outside observer, the question becomes are you knowledgeable, or are you falling victim to confirmation bias/trusting only certain sources because this is what you WANT to happen because it benefits you.

BTW, IMO it's pretty loathsome behavior to hope for economic collapses -- with no regard for the lives it would destroy -- just so you can (maybe) make a few extra bucks off your BTC.

I never said I hoped for this to happen. I never said it would be a significant percentage of the population who would do it either. But it might be noticeable in the Bitcoin economy in the short run. If Greece and the EU figures things out in such a way that we can have real growth in Europe, Bitcoin, as well as everything and everyone else, would be much better off. To think that Bitcoin would somehow grow to infinity when the rest of the world crumbles around us is just a retarded right-wing anarchist fantasy.



602. Post 10431103 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Wary on February 11, 2015, 09:10:53 PM

Having said this, I can say what sources I've personally have found less poisoned:

-About Putin: Machiavelli.

LOL, true dat.



603. Post 10431277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: bitcoinvest on February 11, 2015, 09:11:02 PM
what is your opinion on grexit? is it going to happen? will they let us leave eurozone? and if so, will this affect the price of bitcoin?

Nobody wants a grexit, not even Syriza. But something has to give soon, if Greece gets IMF on their side it might be difficult for the creditor nations to resist some kind of debt relief, but what form and what size is impossible to know right now.

Grexit will happen because there are three outcomes and grexit is the not the worst case scenario for either side. Possibilities:
1)Greek bank run with no bail-out leading to collapse of economy and government
2) Writedowns/write offs of Greek debt leading several other countries to re-negotiate austerity terms and massive losses to sovereign debt-holders.
3)  Grexit.

It's going to happen. The only real question is "when?"


the EU's new round of QE is a round of desperation. The problem seems to be that the greeks are publicly admitting they are bankrupt and they cannot pay their debt. If they continue the road they are on with austerities then the greek people will suffer for years and years and possibly even more years. If the greeks default then everyone holding their debt will lose. If the EU gives in to restructuring greek debt without austerities then other EU countries will want the same treatment. If the greek exit the EU then we will could start to see a stampede out of the EU by other countries facing the same problems. I think we are watching the start of the world economic crisis.



i am from Greece, and i can tell you that: it was wrong to enter euro zone back in 2000 because books have been cooked...stock market at that time if you remember went crazy and lot of people lost almost everything....after prime minister was saying in the news people play in the stockmarket...and after we entered the euro...this was a game they played and they played well...after that we had Olympic Games.. and after the US Crisis and today they named Greek Crisis and we all know it's not a crisis of Greece, after 5 years that they are "saving" us they putted us deeper into crisis and they continue... this will move to Italy, Spain and eventualy all over the Euro zone. You know we say here in Greece....if you hear bad things for your neighbour...wait yours soon.....

But even if we accept that WE MUST stay in euro zone and play this game.. do you know that German pays as we speak pensions for world crimes to a lot of people in Israel etc?Huh? and this in not past like they said about the loans that have to pay back to Greece... So they want us to pay more debts that 5 years now are getting bigger and bigger but the strong German country can make wars? destroy people and hole nations and not pay anything back??

sorry for my English i am not a native speaker but i think you can all read it easily.

What the Greece government did wrong was to enter the euro without changing their habit of wildly unrealistic budgets that were remedied by a devaluation of the Drachma. However I too am impressed by the lack of humility in Germany. There are worse sins than debt in their fairly recent history.



604. Post 10431336 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: octaft on February 11, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
I'm curious what books/articles you'd recommend, if there are any.
The key is not specific books, but being immune to poison. With the immuinity, you can read everything. Without it, no source is safe for you.
Most of people have no immunity. For them the best solution is MYOB. That's because the closer is an area to your daily activity and experience, the harder it is to mislead you about it. When it's about your weekly paycheck, everybody is expert. When it's about your country's budget, everybody is fooled.

Having said this, I can say what sources I've personally have found less poisoned:

-About religion: Atheistic writings.
-About economics: Microeconomy. Macroeconomy is poisoned.
-About politics: Libertarian writings.
-About EU: S.N.Parkinson and his laws.
-About Putin: Machiavelli.
-About Ukraine: http://www.stopfake.org/en/

Why am I not surprised one iota by "Libertarian writings."

Anyway, so by "immune to poison" you mean "think critically about what you're reading." You could have just said that. Why do libertarians have to be so hyperbolic?

Come on, even their name is hyperbolic. They are classical liberalists but they think liberal means socialist and socialist means fascist, so they call themselves libertarians and think that every copy and paste job sprinkled with some american dumbing down is somehow the nectar of their own brilliance.



605. Post 10431544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Wary on February 11, 2015, 09:26:40 PM
I'm curious what books/articles you'd recommend, if there are any.
The key is not specific books, but being immune to poison. With the immuinity, you can read everything. Without it, no source is safe for you.
Most of people have no immunity. For them the best solution is MYOB. That's because the closer is an area to your daily activity and experience, the harder it is to mislead you about it. When it's about your weekly paycheck, everybody is expert. When it's about your country's budget, everybody is fooled.

Having said this, I can say what sources I've personally have found less poisoned:

-About religion: Atheistic writings.
-About economics: Microeconomy. Macroeconomy is poisoned.
-About politics: Libertarian writings.
-About EU: S.N.Parkinson and his laws.
-About Putin: Machiavelli.
-About Ukraine: http://www.stopfake.org/en/

Why am I not surprised one iota by "Libertarian writings."

Anyway, so by "immune to poison" you mean "think critically about what you're reading." You could have just said that. Why do libertarians have to be so hyperbolic?
Because "think critically about what you're reading" isn't strong enough. At least, it doesn't seem to work in your case. Everybody thinks he thinks critically. While in fact, most of us just cherry-pick "confirmations" of our opinions and "critically" ignore refutations. So instead of fixing their world view distortions, such "critical thinking" is increasing them. That's why I've recommended MYOB.  And that's why "immune to poison" is better than "critical thinking". Everybody believes he is able to think critically, but few believe they immune to poisons.

LOL, the irony



606. Post 10431789 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 11, 2015, 10:44:22 PM
firefighters and kids discussing global economy and politics on bitcoin speculation forum is just hilarious.

I also find hilarious that someone is comparing putin to machiavelli. machiavelli wrote really nice plays and comedies...

putin is a kgb graduate. 

It's kind of like a shouting contest across a river.

But if the price doesn't move soon, we might actually solve all the problems in the world in this thread.



607. Post 10431888 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 11, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
AtTenTiOn ATteNtIOn:

http://new.livestream.com/spacex/events/3783845

TO TEH MOoN!

Now let's see if they can land that mofo



608. Post 10434870 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Erdogan on February 12, 2015, 02:41:48 AM
it's pretty loathsome behavior to hope for economic collapses -- with no regard for the lives it would destroy -- just so you can (maybe) make a few extra bucks off your BTC.

Either the Greeks suffer or all of Europe suffers. I prefer less suffering to more suffering so I don't see what's loathsome about that.



Oh spare me. Of all of you discussing it, I am confident you are the one who would give the least fucks about who suffers or how much as long as you think it will help you make a few extra bucks.

So nobody suffers under the current system, huh? I think some do.

Could the G8 come together and agree on no more money printing, no more government loaning, no more banker bailouts, no more corporate welfare, no more welfare state, no more taxpayer deposit guarantees? A soft landing? I think not.

In fact there is no option for a soft landing, and a reset sometime in the future is unavoidable. A crash would be painful, but continuing the current system, we can expect lower living standard, which mean freezing, hunger, sickness, war, AND a larger crash later.

So I think wishing for a crash as soon as possible is the most altruistic attitude.
(Not being altruistic myself, as I think it is a philosophy of death).



Do you realize that nothing you said applies to any statements you quoted from me?

My original point was about hoping for economic collapses in general, because you think it will make BTC price rise. It was not meant to be a commentary on the Greece situation, and I didn't accuse anyone in particular of anything except BJA. Judging his character by his posts that I've read, I stand by my opinion that his only interest in Greece is the possibility that he can line his pockets from the situation, but that's still not actually a commentary on the Greece situation. I'll leave the back and forth discussion of that to the resident armchair economists.

Pathetic. Your moralism is unethical. It brings death. Bring on the crash. Buy moar coins.



His "moralism" is only "unethical" in a utilitarian view where your perspective is assumed to be true. His "moralism" would be fairly in line with any Kantian or Aristotelian view, and if you are wrong it would be quite in line with most versions of consequentialism, except for, of course, the aforementioned utilitarian view.



609. Post 10434999 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: gkv9 on February 12, 2015, 08:23:25 AM
What the heck is going on with BTC? Who the hell is dumping 'em and why?

Chinese people. They poor.



610. Post 10440495 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 12, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
Boring is good. It means stability, at least temporarily. Our function as day traders is to bring about exactly this outcome.

Go out and do something. We have accomplished what we needed to accomplish. Come back when the alarm on your smart phone apps tell you that we are needed again.

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS8QAfSDwNE



611. Post 10442606 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Chalkbot on February 12, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
Is there a price movement correlation with density of troll posts in this thread?

The posts can be bulltroll or beartroll. Does complete saturation signal a top/bottom?




They usually go complete apeshit if there's a small drop, and go quiet when there is a big one. Sort of tells me they are trading trolls.



612. Post 10442703 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Wary on February 12, 2015, 11:37:29 PM
US Marshals promised to sell next batch of Ublricht's coins in Q1. That is within next 6 weeks. Maybe whales keep the price low till that moment?

It would be better if the feds just came out with a message saying: F@# off! We gonna HODL like a MOFO!!



613. Post 10442822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 12, 2015, 11:44:19 PM
Where are all the predictions and YouTube videos for bitcoin going over $10,000?
How is that any more ridiculous than Apple having a market cap of $700 Billion? in order for one BTC to be worth $10,000, the market cap would only have to be $210B or less (depending on how many bitcoins have been mined when it happens), less than 1/3 of Apple Corp's current value.

Well, when you buy some Apple stock, you become owner of a slice of a huge company, that makes 70'000 USD of profit every second, by manufacturing and selling more than 10 million high-quality computers and smatrphones per month, that people literally give a kidney for.   Whereas, when you buy a bitcoin....

There is no rational reason why an Apple phone or computer is substantially more desirable than one of it's many competitors. It's simply a preference and preferences change. The desire to own bitcoins (which can be looked at as shares in the Bitcoin network) is also a preference. The demand for Apple products may go down, particularly if they fail to keep innovating at a pace and in a way their customers expect. The demand for bitcoins may go up if innovation in the space makes them more useful.

There are plenty of rational reasons why an Apple computer or phone should be substantially more desirable than any of its competitors. And there is a serious barrier to Bitcoin going mainstream. And if you look at those cases one explains the other.



614. Post 10442845 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 13, 2015, 12:01:17 AM




19,000 BTC swaps isn't enough shorts to make it worth the squeeze...yet. Wait until it's ~ 25,000 before tightening the noose.

Any chance swaps will decrease or do you think it's pretty certain we will reach 25,000?



615. Post 10445287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: podyx on February 13, 2015, 06:36:07 AM
Of course, because I sold at $219, the price will go up...

I should of seen that coming... Only problem is that price would go down if I didn't sell Roll Eyes


I said it!


Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 11, 2015, 08:08:17 PM
Looks like we're finally going down

Hmmm.... bullish

Or was it FindFTP who was always wrong?



616. Post 10445466 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: pjviitas on February 13, 2015, 02:05:58 AM
Where are all the predictions and YouTube videos for bitcoin going over $10,000?
How is that any more ridiculous than Apple having a market cap of $700 Billion? in order for one BTC to be worth $10,000, the market cap would only have to be $210B or less (depending on how many bitcoins have been mined when it happens), less than 1/3 of Apple Corp's current value.

Well, when you buy some Apple stock, you become owner of a slice of a huge company, that makes 70'000 USD of profit every second, by manufacturing and selling more than 10 million high-quality computers and smatrphones per month, that people literally give a kidney for.   Whereas, when you buy a bitcoin....

There is no rational reason why an Apple phone or computer is substantially more desirable than one of it's many competitors. It's simply a preference and preferences change. The desire to own bitcoins (which can be looked at as shares in the Bitcoin network) is also a preference. The demand for Apple products may go down, particularly if they fail to keep innovating at a pace and in a way their customers expect. The demand for bitcoins may go up if innovation in the space makes them more useful.

There are plenty of rational reasons why an Apple computer or phone should be substantially more desirable than any of its competitors. And there is a serious barrier to Bitcoin going mainstream. And if you look at those cases one explains the other.

Name one single rational reason

Their focus on and uncompromising attitude to human/technology interaction makes their products more usable and powerful tools for more people than Linux, Windows and Android. Android have been making great strides, but it still isn't as intuitive as Iphones. I use Android because I don't mind and I got an Android phone for free from someone who was fed up and bought an Iphone. And my every day computer runs Fedora, but when a relative asks I advice them to get an Iphone and a Mac. I used to have to use Christmas and Easter to fix my relative's computers, now that everyone has Apple products(except my Grandma, and it's amazing what a Pre-WW2 woman can clog up Win 7 with) I don't have to. As a computer nerd it can be difficult to see the significance of this, but this kind of approach needs to be applied to those parts of the Bitcoin eco-system that's aimed at ordinary mainstream users.



617. Post 10445873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 13, 2015, 09:21:22 AM
Their focus on and uncompromising attitude to human/technology interaction makes their products more usable and powerful tools for more people than Linux, Windows and Android. Android have been making great strides, but it still isn't as intuitive as Iphones. I use Android because I don't mind and I got an Android phone for free from someone who was fed up and bought an Iphone. And my every day computer runs Fedora, but when a relative asks I advice them to get an Iphone and a Mac. I used to have to use Christmas and Easter to fix my relative's computers, now that everyone has Apple products(except my Grandma, and it's amazing what a Pre-WW2 woman can clog up Win 7 with) I don't have to. As a computer nerd it can be difficult to see the significance of this, but this kind of approach needs to be applied to those parts of the Bitcoin eco-system that's aimed at ordinary mainstream users.

"Every minute" - P.T. Barnum



Sigh.

Perhaps, but that means that there is a big market for such an approach. [note to self: JimboToronto is a canuck cunt, must have revenge]



618. Post 10446095 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 13, 2015, 09:49:44 AM
[note to self: JimboToronto is a canuck cunt, must have revenge]

Huh

I may be a prick but I'm hardly a cunt.  Grin

Why revenge? Recompense beats revenge any day. You can't spend blood.   Cool

I will PM you my Bitcoin address.



619. Post 10446755 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: elasticband on February 13, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
congrats to the local who bought 5000euro worth of btc from me yesterday...... whenever i do local trades we always go past the point i sold at.

You must be mad.

Not mad but i don't turn down the opportunity to meet someone new and help them with their first ever bitcoin transaction. I did make a nice % fee and i did buy 1350euro of those BTC previously that day for a very healthy % bellow market price from someone else, so not all that bad.

If only someone would contact me right now wanting to sell me 3650e worth of btc at a healthy % bellow market price........




Yeez, this sounds a lot like money laundering.



620. Post 10446816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on February 13, 2015, 11:46:03 AM


what rpice did you sell at? Or did you just deposit that?



bought @ 2-6 USD  sold @ around 650 USD on the way down   Embarrassed Smiley Roll Eyes

Impressive, very nice



621. Post 10447631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 13, 2015, 12:05:56 PM
...
it's being eaten

That's what I like to see in the morning.  Optimism.
Where is the ''Goodmorning Gentlemen''?


this is gentlemen!

Tarmi, you dog! I knew there was a cuddly creature inside there somewhere.



622. Post 10447947 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 13, 2015, 01:34:22 PM
$240 at Bitstamp..

Stamp and CB are leading. China is following like a lost puppy. This smells less like the FPR short squeeze than a Yankee Doodle rally. I think they buyer(s) may be jumping the gun a bit, but let's see how it plays out. He'll need a heluva lot of dough to bust the pattern.

If some of your Raiders of the Shaolin Temple have turned bullish, then they do.



623. Post 10448188 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: oda.krell on February 13, 2015, 01:58:49 PM
Can we eventually let this "FPR" meme die gracefully?

Not saying it's a completely bad way to visualize the market forces, especially to drive home a certain point to the "permahodling" crowd, but a much more accurate way (imo) of saying what has been going on since around July/August is that we're in a traders' market, while previously, since about late 2012/early 2013, we've been in a market that favored holders.

But... that's not gonna make a good Kung Fu movie title?



624. Post 10449487 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on February 13, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
lol i wouldnt be surprised if we are at 222 again tonight

Don't jinx it! It's Friday 13th!



625. Post 10449554 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: noobtrader on February 13, 2015, 04:09:40 PM
wow  Grin Grin Grin

whats in the news ?

Nothing, that's the good news.



626. Post 10450139 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

It seems we've had the longest run of green 1d macd since may/june 2014. Not worth much, I guess, but every little helps.



627. Post 10450312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: podyx on February 13, 2015, 05:17:04 PM
expect a weekend dump to $150  Kiss



Is that you? That's actually you, isn't it? OMG, we are in the presence of a D-list celebrity!



628. Post 10452749 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: arvindr on February 13, 2015, 09:38:01 PM
Any speculations on what will happen with the price, once the Ethereum comes in next month ?

Ethereum will bring publicity to crypto, it won't replace Bitcoin. It will do its own thing and Bitcoin will benefit.



629. Post 10455727 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: byronbb on February 14, 2015, 05:54:02 AM
$300!!! Canadian.

LOL!

And they say Bitcoin is Monopoly Money.



630. Post 10455772 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on February 14, 2015, 06:12:48 AM
slow and steady please, next stop 255, ETA today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux6lmeNqXwA



631. Post 10455826 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Wekkel on February 14, 2015, 06:31:01 AM
No more coins to go short. You just have to love free markets  Roll Eyes

Only one thing to do.




632. Post 10456901 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 14, 2015, 08:11:06 AM
looks like there is still plenty of cash in the sidelines

i'm personally 10:1 / cash:btc which is my maximum risk level in i'm willing to go ... nice to have scraped the latest bottom but no way i'm putting more in at this point ... just watching the gains now and looking for the eventual cliff dive ... hoping for sunshine preparing for rain ...

Interesting.

I'm the opposite, ten to one bitcoin to fiat.

One man's risk is another's safe haven I suppose.

Yeah I'm comfortable at this point pretty much ... good buy in price vs where we are right now ... it'd have to rock pretty hard down now for me to lose out ... i've been 10:1 - 20:1 or 100% fiat for most/all of this last years bear market so I'm pretty damned good at not *losing* lots of money ... seems nuts to me to put 90% eggs in one basket but hey you'll win a lambo i'll win a honda if we're both right and it keeps rocking up from here forward ... so i'm gaining enough for me and wish you luck ... you need it more than me Tongue ... 250 seems a natural # to attempt to hold it at for the next week or two perhaps ... there or backwards to the lower 2s ... also btw bitcoin is not where all my investment dollars are tied up in by a long shot ... real estate gold silver diamonds guns bonds and exxon stock make up the rest of my "portfolio" at this point ...

No worries, you'll be fine




633. Post 10457026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 14, 2015, 09:26:10 AM
CCMF!!  You're nucking futs if you think you'll get a single one of my coins for less than $300. I should have bought even more, but the cash I have left will hold me over for months if need be. I'll use it to pay bills of to by MOAR if it goes back down.

I can't believe the swap rate on my margin long is almost nothing. pennies. Christmas in February. Suck it, bears.


WOW! BJA just bust a nut! Bullish...



634. Post 10463198 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: oda.krell on February 14, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Of course by then, most Brazillians will be living in mud huts, reverting to cannibalism and pimping out their daughters for for cans of spam after eating all the University Professors.

Harsh.

He might not be exactly a preeminent economist, but I heard some of his 1980s contributions to computational geometry are not exactly irrelevant.

What is it about mathematicians that, towards the end of their productive period, they venture into the "softer" fields, and, well, generally flame out there?

Hubris, probably. Something our little crypto crowd knows a thing or two about ^_^

Cause they can't do math anymore. Some deal with it gracefully, others will find a soapbox of some kind.



635. Post 10465871 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Yeez, Why are swaps going up like this? Someone hogging them?



636. Post 10465976 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 15, 2015, 10:05:25 AM
Where have all the trolls gone?

Is this small climb, coupled with missing trolls, indicative that they were trolling all along to try and suppress price and now that they've loaded up on coin it's time to CCMF?

Pretty much, yup. That's what I'm thinking anyway.

If lambie sends this mofo to unicorn heaven, I might forgive him.



637. Post 10467351 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: LewiesMan on February 15, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
hoogaboga

Thanks for the kind words Smiley

Let's hope we will see some movement soon that will shut stinky up!



638. Post 10467401 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: kazuki49 on February 15, 2015, 12:17:05 PM
I was really concerned BTC would drop hard again if we stayed on the low 200 for long.

me too



639. Post 10467431 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: LewiesMan on February 15, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
What I want to know is how you get a hangover from drinking wine.  Huh

I get the worst hangovers from wine

probably because you have to drink alot to get the same amount of alcohol
(keep in mind that wine is not just alcohol and water)

Likewise, but drinking water with it helps.

Go for wine with less tannin



640. Post 10467477 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: coa032 on February 15, 2015, 01:31:41 PM
bter hacked, ~7k bitcoins stolen. Prepare for dump.

Yeez, cuz regulationing iz badzz...



641. Post 10467546 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: findftp on February 15, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
bter hacked, ~7k bitcoins stolen. Prepare for dump.

Yeez, cuz regulationing iz badzz...

Yeez, cuz regulationing prevents hacking...

It prevents idiots and amateurs from turning an exchange for playing cards into a financial institution. But I can't find the news he's talking about so:

link or it didn't happen.



642. Post 10467738 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 15, 2015, 01:58:44 PM
derpa derpa derrrrrrp 20% $50 ish rise in 1 day on zero news at all and now we rock back down (of course) ... just a question of if / how far past we go back below 200 ... $20 loss in the last couple hours ... we'd be at $0 in the next 12 hours if it continued to lose value at the rate it has been dumped ... currency of the future !

And if my car accelerates as fast for the next couple of months as it does the first 10 second it will achieve the speed of light. SpaceX would be beaten by a Renault. SUCK ON THAT ELON MUSK!!!



643. Post 10467900 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

I see they canceled Christmas.



644. Post 10468105 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 15, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
How do you hack a cold wallet??

You heat it up, slowly.



645. Post 10468262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 15, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
i have no idea what im doing but i know im doing it really really well

I'm not doing it well, but it's so bloody profitable that my wallet don't care.



646. Post 10468295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 15, 2015, 03:02:13 PM
everybody over here are master traders.

I wonder where all that money is coming from?

litecoiners



647. Post 10468308 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: podyx on February 15, 2015, 02:57:28 PM
wow, fucking bothers me that everytime I put a sell order, it's perfect but $1 or $2 short of filling....

Would of had so much bitcoin if I was lucky for once

You're lying your ass off. I would have loved to see your trade history.



648. Post 10468334 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: BrewCrewFan on February 15, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
I hate to say it guys, until there is some kind of regulation to help protect your coins from being lost due to security issues, this is slowly going to kill bitcoin. No one will be willing to take the chance atm.

Let's not go overboard. Don't keep your coins at an exchange.



649. Post 10468518 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: BrewCrewFan on February 15, 2015, 03:10:44 PM
I hate to say it guys, until there is some kind of regulation to help protect your coins from being lost due to security issues, this is slowly going to kill bitcoin. No one will be willing to take the chance atm.

Let's not go overboard. Don't keep your coins at an exchange.

Yeah us with half a brain know this BUT.... I was more or less aiming this at the normal joes in the world. To walk in cold right now and understand the step you need to take to secure you money is confusing. I was confused when I first got into crypto, so that would not be anything different for others.

Of course I got in well before the loss of Gox, and recently there has been way to many losses of thousands of coins that would put up any red flags to an investor who is jumping in.

Hopefully we will get more of the responsible exchanges like Bitstamp and Coinbase. The "happy go lucky" exchanges are a dying breed. You even have companies like ANX who buy wrecked exchanges and fix them up to conform to stricter standards. We are well on our way to a much safer environment.



650. Post 10468586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 15, 2015, 03:24:00 PM
yeaaaah it's important to remember that there are like ... a couple thousand people ... like less than 5000 people ... who were involved in bitcoin in the sub $2 land when it was totally unknown when there was zero press zero exchanges zero merchant acceptance zero infrastructure and zero purpose for it ... and there's like now hundreds of thousands of victims investors now ... so it's critically critically important that those people who own tons of btc for zero investment continue to convince everyone else it's worth *anything* at all ... the vast majority of people who are not the core base super early fanatics have lost ... and lost badly ... simple ... obvious ...

This sums up rather nicely the reason why I often post the phrase "as low as possible for as long as possible"

I wish that life were fair. I wish that everyone could be rich. I would like the price to go back to 2 dollars or 2 cents so that everyone could get their "fair share".

Unfortunately, life doesn't work that way. We are all responsible for our own decisions. (And, apparently, the decisions of the politicians we elect)    

Life ain't fair. If you don't like it, tough shit.



Your statement that life is not fair and if people don't like it tough shit is arrogant elitist and offensive. Your other statements on how you wish life were fair come across to me as completely ingenuous. If we ever have a revolution , a real revolution , not the 60s hippy bullshit revolution , people like you (i am *assuming* you are rich) will hang from the lampposts. How about all the workers poor aka the majority of all the people go to city hall pour gas on themselves and flick that lighter ? No more slaves and the elites have their shiny marble covered in burnt guts sounds like how life should be huh ? Fuck you sicko.




651. Post 10468596 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 15, 2015, 03:26:50 PM
yeaaaah it's important to remember that there are like ... a couple thousand people ... like less than 5000 people ... who were involved in bitcoin in the sub $2 land when it was totally unknown when there was zero press zero exchanges zero merchant acceptance zero infrastructure and zero purpose for it ... and there's like now hundreds of thousands of victims investors now ... so it's critically critically important that those people who own tons of btc for zero investment continue to convince everyone else it's worth *anything* at all ... the vast majority of people who are not the core base super early fanatics have lost ... and lost badly ... simple ... obvious ...

This sums up rather nicely the reason why I often post the phrase "as low as possible for as long as possible"

I wish that life were fair. I wish that everyone could be rich. I would like the price to go back to 2 dollars or 2 cents so that everyone could get their "fair share".

Unfortunately, life doesn't work that way. We are all responsible for our own decisions. (And, apparently, the decisions of the politicians we elect)    

Life ain't fair. If you don't like it, tough shit.



Your statement that life is not fair and if people don't like it tough shit is arrogant elitist and offensive. Your other statements on how you wish life were fair come across to me as completely ingenuous. If we ever have a revolution , a real revolution , not the 60s hippy bullshit revolution , people like you (i am *assuming* you are rich) will hang from the lampposts. How about all the workers poor aka the majority of all the people go to city hall pour gas on themselves and flick that lighter ? No more slaves and the elites have their shiny marble covered in burnt guts sounds like how life should be huh ? Fuck you sicko.

lul wut? Cheesy

Americans think gas is a liquid.



652. Post 10468812 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Wekkel on February 15, 2015, 03:33:24 PM
Fuck you sicko.

What is your point:

??  Huh

That whenever he loses money on a trade, the rich people must bow down to the dictatorship of the proletariat.




653. Post 10469026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 15, 2015, 03:53:01 PM
Fuck you sicko.

What is your point:
  • that rich people must suffer
  • that being lucky or successful must be punished

??  Huh

that the rich in general have acquired their riches on the backs of the workers / at the point of a sword / actual slaves - yes they do deserve to be punished

by having the poor commit mass suicide?! burnt guts and al dat? Cheesy

every day - every city hall -1 by 1 - until the shame of death for power consumes them - if need be




654. Post 10469074 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on February 15, 2015, 04:03:06 PM
soon!



Is that line from $166 legitimate?



655. Post 10469153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: octaft on February 15, 2015, 04:06:06 PM


So I'm curious how much longer you plan to be making the same exact point using images before you realize everyone understood it the first goddamn time?

Till price creeps up to $250. What else is there to do?



656. Post 10469332 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: shmadz on February 15, 2015, 04:17:04 PM
This sums up rather nicely the reason why I often post the phrase "as low as possible for as long as possible"

I wish that life were fair. I wish that everyone could be rich. I would like the price to go back to 2 dollars or 2 cents so that everyone could get their "fair share".

Unfortunately, life doesn't work that way. We are all responsible for our own decisions. (And, apparently, the decisions of the politicians we elect)    

Life ain't fair. If you don't like it, tough shit.

Are you really trying to say that buying at <$2 -- and getting insanely, incredibly lucky to make a fortune off this massive bubble -- makes anybody a financial genius? It turned out to be a good decision, but best believe it was mostly lucky.

I'd say the biggest geniuses were the whales who made the "decision" to get the fuck out at the top while the suckers were still willing to buy.

No.

There is nothing "insane" or "incredibly lucky" about realizing the potential of a new technology and its potential impacts on a globally corrupt and immoral financial system.

What I'm trying to say that if someone is paying attention and putting forth the effort to educate themselves about the way the current financial system works, (newsflash, they don't teach that shit in schools) and then they learn about a new technological breakthrough that has the potential to make a substantial change that would allow everyone the freedom to bypass the leeches and parasites that prey on the productive to enrich only themselves, they should not be demonized for their initiative, rather, they should be rewarded, and deservedly so.

Err, rambling, sorry.

It's not about of "getting revenge". It is about taking responsibility, and not requiring the productive to subsidize the rest.

Why do I feel like Hank Rearden in the courtroom right now, trying to explain things that should be obvious?

Say it with a poster:



Sorry octaft



657. Post 10469956 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: damiano on February 15, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
It would be pretty funny if we end back up at 260 in a few hours

Although I wouldn't be surprised one bit

If we go to $260 after this crap, we'll go to $280 as well.



658. Post 10470582 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 15, 2015, 06:02:36 PM
So everyone reading this forum should just believe that a non scalable, irreversible (0 consumer protection), very-easy-to steal, ridiculously volatile, bullshit distributed, china megamines powered pyramid scheme currency is gonna suddenly replace every fiat currency, central bank, need for monetary policy etc?


You bitcoiners don't know how the world works have some wild imagination, I gotta give you that.

Oh well....

“Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”


― Apple Inc

Stop dreaming and thus stop living.
Yeah, but some dreams can be reasonable, some of them are plain delusions.

you are literally quoting a commercial statement from a commercial the was made to sell iwhatnots ... from a multi billion dollar company ... and im not saying they make bad shit ... their shit is good ... but that statement has NOTHING to do with actual tech innovation ... and even less to do with any kind of rebel genius mindset ... and was NOT made at a time when innovation was the primary function of apple ...

Ideas are dangerous things in the hands of children. If you're going to take that ad for being anything more than empty words pretending to mean something, then the message is quite nietzschean and beyond elitist. Now, Nietzsche was no fascist, he even had a correspondence with Wagner where he denied the concept of an übervolk, but in light of wagnerism and fascism this doesn't sit well with me.



659. Post 10471072 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: shmadz on February 15, 2015, 06:19:16 PM
make money or starve to death

That's pretty much the way things work.

You can try to force the ones that make money to pay for the needs of those that don't, but in practice it doesn't turn out well.

............ Presenting opinion as fact hasn't had much success either. I don't know by what measure you think those kinds of arrangements have failed, but there are plenty of redistribution systems that have worked very well at lifting swathes of people out of unfortunate situations. If you look at every country with a higher GDP per capita than the US you will find that they all have far more generous redistribution programs.



660. Post 10471169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Someone is trying to keep the price up with 1000BTC wall on BTC-E at $240.



661. Post 10471185 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 15, 2015, 07:11:44 PM
another round incoming.

Don't do it!



662. Post 10471224 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Wall is getting eaten



663. Post 10471235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Aaaand gone



664. Post 10471306 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Now THAT'S what I call redistribution.



665. Post 10471456 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Where are those twerps who were begging for cheap coinz?



666. Post 10471549 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 15, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
Where are those twerps who were begging for cheap coinz?

Buying them.

Yeah right...



667. Post 10471845 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

This looks artificial. A little shitty exchange lost 7k BTC and we get a dump of several hundred ks of BTC. This mofo is going to crush someone when it bounces.



668. Post 10471855 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on February 15, 2015, 08:09:41 PM
We need some movement on the ETF approval, NY Bitlicense, some big companies to start accepting otherwise we're just going to be treated like a cheap whore & be pumped and dumped between 180 - 280.

So predictable atm.

News doesn't keep BTC up. Buying does, and we found the floor.



669. Post 10471879 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: hurricandave on February 15, 2015, 08:12:46 PM
It won't stop till whoever stole bter's coins is finished converting every last one of them to fiat, they have several hours jump at mixer and now they are fencing fast and furious.

If that is true then there needs to be some buying as well.



670. Post 10471887 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 15, 2015, 08:13:25 PM
Bitcoin is not a joke

No, cause jokes are funny



671. Post 10471972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

I'll be happy if this mofo stops at $220.



672. Post 10472088 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: Ezmoneyezlife on February 15, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
Lawl, dudes, dont forget about 80k btc auction coming this quarter, i bet btc is gonna hit 130$ within a month.

Which means you're going to go short. You make sure to tell us how that's working for you a month from now.



673. Post 10472117 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.58h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 15, 2015, 08:37:53 PM
Are we in single digits yet?  Tongue

Yes, hundreds of them



674. Post 10472624 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: explorer on February 15, 2015, 09:12:13 PM
make money or starve to death

That's pretty much the way things work.

You can try to force the ones that make money to pay for the needs of those that don't, but in practice it doesn't turn out well.

............ Presenting opinion as fact hasn't had much success either. I don't know by what measure you think those kinds of arrangements have failed, but there are plenty of redistribution systems that have worked very well at lifting swathes of people out of unfortunate situations. If you look at every country with a higher GDP per capita than the US you will find that they all have far more generous redistribution programs.

AND THEY ARE ALL BANKRUPT.

Norway? Denmark? Sweden? Switzerland? Luxembourg?

What are you talking about? By what measure?



675. Post 10473545 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 15, 2015, 11:13:38 PM
It's interesting that the BTER hackers grabbed the BTC but left the altcoins alone. Hmmn..

Nobody wants shitcoins, not even those who want them.

They are just a way to get  bitcoins from people who are looking to go back in time to be an early adopter for the next coin (which won't materialize).

Anyone who understand economics a bit sees that any rival to Bitcoin has a seriously steep hill to climb. I saw a podcast with Vitalik Buterin where he talked about different technical solutions to adjusting the flow of new coins, but he is blinded by the technology. Any rival to Bitcoin will have to go through the same rollercoaster, except there might be more mature exchanges around by then.

Edit: LTCM thought they had figured it out (with maths, not really tech), that was an epic disaster. A similar kind of "exploit" in one of these more advanced hypotethical altcoins could render it useless. KISS is the safest approach to avoid getting f@$#d.



676. Post 10473647 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: Odalv on February 15, 2015, 11:31:03 PM
The real victim of bitcoin is selling now.

Imagine telling your grandchildren that you bailed out @234. They will pull the plug.



677. Post 10473760 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: dewdeded on February 15, 2015, 11:47:32 PM
silverfuture: you spread fucking FUD, you motherfucking one world order-bitcoiner

you are an disgrace to bitcoin, generally crypto currency and crypto finance as a whole

"Monero Evangelist" LOL

Don't type while you're drinking



678. Post 10477413 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 16, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
only 2 pages? wow, bulls are bleeding bad.

will 210 hold?

Tarmi you two-faced so and so! I thought you had seen the light?



679. Post 10480750 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

4 Chartbuddys on one page.



680. Post 10481330 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: pimpjuice on February 16, 2015, 05:53:31 PM
I'm new to the forum... Why do so many people get on here hating Bitcoin?  If they have nothing invested it seems like a waste of time unless their plan was to sell, bash and then buy in at a lower price. 

Some are sosiopaths, but most are shorting bears who think they can move the price by shitting on everyone.



681. Post 10481366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: podyx on February 16, 2015, 05:59:15 PM
I'm new to the forum... Why do so many people get on here hating Bitcoin?  If they have nothing invested it seems like a waste of time unless their plan was to sell, bash and then buy in at a lower price.  

Usually it's people who thinks the bitcoin hypetrain is over and are mad that they didn't get a chance to capitalize on it.

Those are the funny ones. They are so hung up about the past that they can't see what's ahead of them if they just shut up and board the train.



682. Post 10483080 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 16, 2015, 09:02:56 PM



I think lambie hacked hdbucks account



683. Post 10483651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: elasticband on February 16, 2015, 09:27:34 PM
just done something really stupid  Undecided

Got an email from support@localbitcoin.com saying my account had been flagged for fraudulent activity.

checked my account and nothing, opened up electru grabbed an address and then send my funds to the wallet. incoming transaction.

check the support desk no ticket. check back at email and obviously the link contains a hidden phishing address, phew close call but all is safe.

Go to electrum to send my funds back over to LBTC, need them to have online adverts active, upon entering the password all i get is invalid.

Turns out i sent them to a wallet that was generated on the 6th of December on my run around laptop and i don't appear to know the password at the moment  Cool tried several combinations but nope..... must have been feeling smart that day and NO i did not right down the seed as i was actually generating the wallet whilst giving my friend a step by step run down on how to setup electrum, why i didn't follow my own instructions of remembering password and keeping a copy of the seed safe i will probably never live down  Embarrassed


who's the local brute force expert?

went for some dinner drank some beer came home, still clueless.

is this the wrong subsection or something but not even noobs want to help  Tongue
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958012.msg10483136#msg10483136

I see you are working hard to solve the problem. My brother is like that. He buys the same gear as I have so he won't have to read the manual.



684. Post 10483904 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on February 16, 2015, 10:37:49 PM
Tonight I have met a Danish guy who explained me in Denmark everybody uses MobilePay which is basically like Bitcoin but easier to use. We are doomed.

.... It is an app from one (1) danish bank that is connected to your credit card. I think we're safe.



685. Post 10483909 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: calme on February 16, 2015, 10:40:52 PM
Well, if it does go to zero, I'm buying everything.

Me too, so I guess it won't.



686. Post 10484168 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 16, 2015, 10:46:45 PM
The exact words that came to mind when i saw the TV ad for applepay were "ooohhhh fuck this'll kill bitcoin for sure" ... sorry folks but people in the billions will flock to that type of service as will all of the merchants ... it's just easier to use a phone based prepaid account using the phone you already have and the currency you already have than to bother fucking with all the ridiculous by comparison hassles of buying/storing/spending bitcoin ...

I'm sorry if it's complicated for you. Just to add another layer of complication: not everyone owns an Iphone. And its competitor PayPal is offering the option of filling up with Bitcoin.



687. Post 10484254 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 16, 2015, 11:24:57 PM
The exact words that came to mind when i saw the TV ad for applepay were "ooohhhh fuck this'll kill bitcoin for sure" ... sorry folks but people in the billions will flock to that type of service as will all of the merchants ... it's just easier to use a phone based prepaid account using the phone you already have and the currency you already have than to bother fucking with all the ridiculous by comparison hassles of buying/storing/spending bitcoin ...

I'm sorry if it's complicated for you. Just to add another layer of complication: not everyone owns an Iphone. And its competitor PayPal is offering the option of filling up with Bitcoin.

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops. It's a bit of fraying tinsel on a system that is not engaging with the world at large.

Except if they eventually let you fill up with Bitcoin. Then it is the greatest thing ever.



688. Post 10484303 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on February 16, 2015, 11:32:14 PM

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops. It's a bit of fraying tinsel on a system that is not engaging with the world at large.

+1



Well, that is their main competitors search engine.

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.



689. Post 10484325 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 16, 2015, 11:37:40 PM
The exact words that came to mind when i saw the TV ad for applepay were "ooohhhh fuck this'll kill bitcoin for sure" ... sorry folks but people in the billions will flock to that type of service as will all of the merchants ... it's just easier to use a phone based prepaid account using the phone you already have and the currency you already have than to bother fucking with all the ridiculous by comparison hassles of buying/storing/spending bitcoin ...

I'm sorry if it's complicated for you. Just to add another layer of complication: not everyone owns an Iphone. And its competitor PayPal is offering the option of filling up with Bitcoin.

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops. It's a bit of fraying tinsel on a system that is not engaging with the world at large.

Except if they eventually let you fill up with Bitcoin. Then it is the greatest thing ever.

If that transpires I will still regard Apple fans as silly sausages, but I'll be pleased anyway.

Would you seriously recommend anything else for your sister, cousin, parents, grandparents?



690. Post 10484409 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 16, 2015, 11:47:26 PM

Would you seriously recommend anything else for your sister, cousin, parents, grandparents?


You bet. Anything cheap that works. There's a big old choice.

.... Except it doesn't work. I can make it work, you can make it work. But the people who asks us... they need an Iphone.



691. Post 10484490 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 16, 2015, 11:52:52 PM

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.


I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug!  Grin

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.



692. Post 10484549 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 17, 2015, 12:02:40 AM

Would you seriously recommend anything else for your sister, cousin, parents, grandparents?


You bet. Anything cheap that works. There's a big old choice.

.... Except it doesn't work. I can make it work, you can make it work. But the people who asks us... they need an Iphone.

For the relative luddite on a budget there is...

whisper it...

W****** Phone 8

A friend of my wife bought a Nokia with Windows a while ago after I recommended Iphone. She changed to Iphone after six months. When I asked her about it she just answered: cheapskates pay twice. In fact, the Android phone I use now I got for free from someone who bought an Iphone after just 2 months. Come to think of it, I haven't bought a phone myself since Iphone arrived on the market.



693. Post 10484586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 17, 2015, 12:04:31 AM

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.


I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug!  Grin

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.

These days I'm a 10 yr old Nokia person.

I have a pristine red 8210 with a new battery in a drawer somewhere. It is a thing of beauty.




694. Post 10484647 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: 12345mm on February 17, 2015, 12:13:57 AM
The exact words that came to mind when i saw the TV ad for applepay were "ooohhhh fuck this'll kill bitcoin for sure" ... sorry folks but people in the billions will flock to that type of service as will all of the merchants ... it's just easier to use a phone based prepaid account using the phone you already have and the currency you already have than to bother fucking with all the ridiculous by comparison hassles of buying/storing/spending bitcoin ...

I'm sorry if it's complicated for you. Just to add another layer of complication: not everyone owns an Iphone. And its competitor PayPal is offering the option of filling up with Bitcoin.

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops. It's a bit of fraying tinsel on a system that is not engaging with the world at large.

im a tech savvy genius level person and capable of using bitcoin (obviously) and it is so totally and completely obviously complicated *versus* a simple prepaid phone based payment app it's laughable ... and i recognize the fact that most people will choose the path of least resistance ... which is the latter of the options between bitcoin and applepay style service ... note *type of service* is what i said ... as in ... for example ... an app similar to applepay that works on all smartphones is what i see as a likely next step if apple refuses to put out their applepay app to all other platforms other than ios ... bonus points for the app that automatically converts your prepaid balance into whatever the local currency is via geo location ... also you do know apple sold like 100 million *new* iphones last Q right ? as in like 100X as many iphones sold as people who possess any amount of bitcoin ? thats in 1 Q and thats the brand shiny new expensive 6th gen ones ... that's not counting all the previous gen ones already out there ... at this point it's like what ? every 10th person on earth has an iphone ... everyone else is either living in the dark ages or has a different brand smartphone with a small minority of the developed world still using their shitty old cellphones ... even most poor people can afford a used smartphone for $30 ... apple or not smart phones are nearly ubiquitous and an applepay style app will be available to everyone ... come to think of it a used iphone is a lot cheaper than any device capable of receiving storing and transmitting bitcoin ... hmmm ...

Save your breath (or finger tips), the price is probably gonna plunge again and you will be able to pull out of your short position gracefully.



695. Post 10484728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 17, 2015, 12:23:38 AM

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.


I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug!  Grin

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.

These days I'm a 10 yr old Nokia person.

I have a pristine red 8210 with a new battery in a drawer somewhere. It is a thing of beauty.



Get yourself into a market with some real fundamentals.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-uks-drug-dealers-love-the-nokia-8210-988

LOL, didn't know that.

So I have been talking about Nokia 8210s on a Bitcoin forum with my regular IP address and I live next to a prison. I probably should delete some porn before they come and get my computers.



696. Post 10484793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 17, 2015, 12:22:26 AM
The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops.  

Count me among the latter group. I can easily afford any Apple product I want but I don't want their garbage hardware.

Every time I've tried to use an Apple product, it has been an extremely unpleasant experience.

My hackintoshed EeePC901 worked okay except for having to use crappy Apple applications, but my iPad Mini was a disaster.

I couldn't even reset it to factory condition without installing malware called iTunes on my PC, so I installed Win7 temporarily on a test rig so I wouldn't have to pollute one of my working systems. I also had to buy a proprietary USB cable ("Lightning") to accomplish this, or even charge the battery.

Then I found out that I couldn't even transfer media files from my PC to the iPad using USB, nor could I install nor even download any applications (not even free ones) without creating an Apple account. I had no intention of relinquishing my anonymity to some sleazy company like Apple Corp.

At least with my Android mobile device, I can download APK files on my PC, transfer them through a standard USB cable to my Android device and install them anonymously without ever going near Google or "Playstore".

Sorry, but IMO you have to be a brainwashed, Koolade-drinking Apple cultist to buy one of their overpriced worthless products.

They just plain don't work.



Before and after:




If you don't want to use the apple ecosystem then it is perhaps not the best choice. You sort of have to go with the flow.



697. Post 10484973 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on February 17, 2015, 12:55:26 AM
If you don't want to use the apple ecosystem then it is perhaps not the best choice. You sort of have to go with the flow.

the flow

 Grin

looks like the same people keep on buying the next big thing shit Apple spits out

That is not really relevant to what I wrote.



698. Post 10487024 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on February 17, 2015, 06:36:20 AM
I once hated iPhones like you all, then I got one. Now I realize how bloated an unorganized Android is. The simplicity and ease of use of my iPhone is unparalleled. It integrates with my Mac Pro so I can text from my computer, or continues working on a document or viewing a web page seamlessly. It connects to my car using carplay, and it wirelessly mirrors my phone onto my appleTv in my living room. All of this is built in with no extra cables and things that need to be bought. I had nothing but problems with my android phones, and windows phones just suck from top to bottom. So y'all can think what you want. I have heard plenty stories of ex android users loving their new iPhones, but never heard any ex iPhone users loving their new android. The only people I see talking shit about iPhones are android users that are just obviously uneducated, and have never owned one an iPhone to begin with.

In my experience, iPhone was better then Android phones till iPhone 4. Till then, it was more stable and the interface was smoother. Now, the software quality is about the same with the better Android variants. The hardware quality is now worse then the top-end Android phones. And not only the hardware speed, but also the overall build quality has deteriorated when compared to top-end Android phones.
I think that  iPhone would be a good phone if it would cost half of what it currently costs. It's not a bad phone, but it's just highly overpriced.
My biggest compliments go to Apple for their marketing tactics. They have built a loyal customer base, that defend their products with passion. Even going as far as calling people uneducated for being critical towards iPhone. They have worked magic with selling a product this overpriced, but still having a large loyal customer base.

I myself prefer not to use Apple's products anymore, just because they don't have the edge in quality, but only a higher price. Even if I can afford to use Apple, I would feel like a fool who is a victim of clever marketing if I bought something from their current line of products.

I hope that they come out with something new and innovative soon, that they could actually do better then others again. Until then, they should at least adjust their profit margin to more suitable levels
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/02/apple-cash-mountain-grows

I fear that their innovation engine died of cancer in 2011. Just look what happened when he left/got canned in the 80s. Within a couple of years they had gone from being innovators to producers of drab grey boxes aimed at cad users. Now they are making phones that look like they were designed by Samsung (which Samsung tries to copy anyway) but they are not quite off the rails yet.



699. Post 10492179 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: esse83 on February 17, 2015, 05:56:08 PM

Exchanges shutting down is always good.

I can't understand why these exchanges don't focus more on security.



700. Post 10492270 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: damiano on February 17, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
Red Dildo incoming

Why? What are you trying to do?



701. Post 10492339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 17, 2015, 06:09:11 PM
-fart-

I hate to post the same image twice on the same day like Trollchop, so here's another one.





Hate to break it to you, but after 2014 he looks more like this:




702. Post 10492351 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: jeffhuys on February 17, 2015, 06:12:36 PM
-fart-

I hate to post the same image twice on the same day like Trollchop, so here's another one.

-again a stupid meme-

You're really good at creating constructive posts that add to the discussion, huh?

Do you know what your name means in russian? Now who's dirty?



703. Post 10492360 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: damiano on February 17, 2015, 06:13:28 PM
Red Dildo incoming

Why? What are you trying to do?

What do you mean?

Why are you creating red dildos?



704. Post 10492784 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: damiano on February 17, 2015, 06:50:55 PM
another 100k longs exited

makes 220k in an hour

But nothing happened, is there a delay in the process?



705. Post 10492994 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 17, 2015, 07:10:41 PM
-fart-

I hate to post the same image twice on the same day like Trollchop, so here's another one.

-again a stupid meme-

You're really good at creating constructive posts that add to the discussion, huh?

Sorry if my response to spamming trolls offends you.  Roll Eyes

Do you feel the same way about NeverNew's "constructive posts"?

I'm sorry, I think I might have scared him off. This thread needed a mormon.

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 17, 2015, 06:13:56 PM
-fart-

I hate to post the same image twice on the same day like Trollchop, so here's another one.

-again a stupid meme-

You're really good at creating constructive posts that add to the discussion, huh?

Do you know what your name means in russian? Now who's dirty?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Huy



706. Post 10493153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 17, 2015, 07:27:19 PM
So I have this small pile of cash and I'm afraid I may be a fiat bag holder. If you understand that every USD debt is effectively a short on the dollar, the market is saying that dollars are a shitty investment.

Ask me what I thought was a shitty investment on January 14,2015.



707. Post 10493252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 17, 2015, 07:37:05 PM
So I have this small pile of cash and I'm afraid I may be a fiat bag holder. If you understand that every USD debt is effectively a short on the dollar, the market is saying that dollars are a shitty investment.

Ask me what I thought was a shitty investment on January 14,2015.

You sister's Certificate of Virginity?

How did you know? Have you....?



708. Post 10493558 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 17, 2015, 07:52:55 PM
So I have this small pile of cash and I'm afraid I may be a fiat bag holder. If you understand that every USD debt is effectively a short on the dollar, the market is saying that dollars are a shitty investment.

Ask me what I thought was a shitty investment on January 14,2015.

You sister's Certificate of Virginity?

How did you know? Have you....?

The base for the 2013 bubble was ~$100. It's looking more and more like the base for the great 2015 bubble will be ~$220 meaning the top will come in around $2,500-$4,000.   There's almost countless factors involved, so this is a very rough estimate, but waiting for a discount of more than 10% from here may well be futile.

I would certainly agree that a fairly solid bottom is forming at $220, but it tends to look a lot more wobbly when you're about to risk your own money. I'm not sure if that part about the bubble is accurate. To get that kind of money into Bitcoin we'll need some serious adoption by users as well, not just traders. And if that landslide is triggered who knows where we will end up. But I don't see much sign of that kind of adoption yet.



709. Post 10494004 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 17, 2015, 08:49:28 PM
So I have this small pile of cash and I'm afraid I may be a fiat bag holder. If you understand that every USD debt is effectively a short on the dollar, the market is saying that dollars are a shitty investment.

Ask me what I thought was a shitty investment on January 14,2015.

You sister's Certificate of Virginity?

How did you know? Have you....?

The base for the 2013 bubble was ~$100. It's looking more and more like the base for the great 2015 bubble will be ~$220 meaning the top will come in around $2,500-$4,000.   There's almost countless factors involved, so this is a very rough estimate, but waiting for a discount of more than 10% from here may well be futile.

I would certainly agree that a fairly solid bottom is forming at $220, but it tends to look a lot more wobbly when you're about to risk your own money. I'm not sure if that part about the bubble is accurate. To get that kind of money into Bitcoin we'll need some serious adoption by users as well, not just traders. And if that landslide is triggered who knows where we will end up. But I don't see much sign of that kind of adoption yet.

Fiat is not your money. You may have worked for it, but it was ultimately created out of thin air and it is only used because of legal tender laws meaning it's only used because we have guns in our faces. Well two can play at this game. I can just take out a bunch of perfectly legal loans using their artificially low interest rates and pay only the interest. That's easy to do just on the profits and if someday I run out of profits I'll just default. Only I doubt that'll happen because my debt to income ratio is still orders of magnitude better than the US Government's. A deflationary depression will mean that they'll have a lot more and bigger deadbeats than me to pursue and a hyperinflationary collapse will play right into my hands.



Then why are you a fiat bag holder?



710. Post 10494165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: damiano on February 17, 2015, 09:08:01 PM

I wonder if this was the same hacker that hit bter.

Pray btce or bitfinex don't get nailed

These last few weeks have really shown who's got their sh#t straight. I would never have guessed that BTC-E would be the safe choice when I got into BTC.



711. Post 10494267 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 17, 2015, 09:27:22 PM
So I have this small pile of cash and I'm afraid I may be a fiat bag holder. If you understand that every USD debt is effectively a short on the dollar, the market is saying that dollars are a shitty investment.

Ask me what I thought was a shitty investment on January 14,2015.

You sister's Certificate of Virginity?

How did you know? Have you....?

The base for the 2013 bubble was ~$100. It's looking more and more like the base for the great 2015 bubble will be ~$220 meaning the top will come in around $2,500-$4,000.   There's almost countless factors involved, so this is a very rough estimate, but waiting for a discount of more than 10% from here may well be futile.

I would certainly agree that a fairly solid bottom is forming at $220, but it tends to look a lot more wobbly when you're about to risk your own money. I'm not sure if that part about the bubble is accurate. To get that kind of money into Bitcoin we'll need some serious adoption by users as well, not just traders. And if that landslide is triggered who knows where we will end up. But I don't see much sign of that kind of adoption yet.

Fiat is not your money. You may have worked for it, but it was ultimately created out of thin air and it is only used because of legal tender laws meaning it's only used because we have guns in our faces. Well two can play at this game. I can just take out a bunch of perfectly legal loans using their artificially low interest rates and pay only the interest. That's easy to do just on the profits and if someday I run out of profits I'll just default. Only I doubt that'll happen because my debt to income ratio is still orders of magnitude better than the US Government's. A deflationary depression will mean that they'll have a lot more and bigger deadbeats than me to pursue and a hyperinflationary collapse will play right into my hands.



Then why are you a fiat bag holder?

I try to get rid of my fiat, but then somebody sends me another zero interest credit card in the mail and I find I don't need to spend it. Meanwhile the paychecks keep rolling in. It's a constant struggle.

Yeah, life's tough



712. Post 10499605 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

I have a strange feeling bitcoiners are more stupid than most. We know who all the trolls are, one even says so in his nick, and we still quote them and argue with them.

Edit: And comment when others argue with them.



713. Post 10499631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: L0uis on February 18, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
I have a strange feeling bitcoiners are more stupid than most. We know who all the trolls are, one even says so in his nick, and we still quote them and argue with them.

Thats because the forum is full of nerds - don't get me wrong.

No offense taken. We have to have the last word. An obvious weakness against trolls, I guess.



714. Post 10502104 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Oh nozzzzz, the dumpzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............



715. Post 10502314 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: damiano on February 18, 2015, 04:13:54 PM
I knew we were heading down

To bad I didn't act on it more


sad for me too second time i wake up in the morning and second guess my instincts ... i felt @245 was a little low after breaking 240 and we had another $5.00 to go up before the dump .. ah well sitting and hodling waiting unless it goes sub-200's can buy more . it might take all day to break through 240 again .

If we pop above 240 i don't think it would be that long.  I think we're gonna test 225-228 again within the next 24 hours.

Shorts are up quite a bit currently.  Looks like a bunch of longs exited which helped cause the push down.

I don't know, with all these holidays we might get a four day weekend pump resulting in a crash. BTC doesn't want to sit still right now.



716. Post 10502821 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: GaliX on February 18, 2015, 04:47:28 PM
I do also predict 225$ next stop
OK, I get it. Get those shorts up.


Yeah! Me too!



717. Post 10503039 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: bitards on February 18, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
Dont be mad that your losing money, it was an honest question.

We're going up and you know it



God, it would be crap if we crashed right now.



718. Post 10503466 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: bitards on February 18, 2015, 06:05:06 PM
Dont be mad that your losing money, it was an honest question.

We're going up and you know it



God, it would be crap if we crashed right now.

Posting a man who has aided in the us debt, as a counter argument to bitcoin crashing atm?  Did I miss something Smiley  

yes, plenty



719. Post 10503479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 18, 2015, 06:09:51 PM
http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2015/021815.htm

confirmed!

But this has been known for ages. Not the exact date, but there isn't much left of Q1.



720. Post 10503652 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: aztecminer on February 18, 2015, 06:23:17 PM





This really fries my thinker... lol



721. Post 10504406 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: damiano on February 18, 2015, 07:26:02 PM
Nice bounce
No Panic



The sky is falling!

wut?



722. Post 10508169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: damiano on February 19, 2015, 04:11:30 AM
Jeasus 19k shorts now

Sat/Sun there were only 14k

Chomping at 238 is a no no!

Quote from: damiano on February 19, 2015, 06:11:51 AM
Quiet now...

Calm before the storm  Roll Eyes

Just woke up,

I see someone is gonna get shafted



723. Post 10508347 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

If it weren't for the imminent shafting I would say that octaft were quite close to the most OT post ever.



724. Post 10514956 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on February 19, 2015, 07:04:38 PM
Should i buy back?? Embarrassed Undecided

Sold at $231
Get back in, cheap coins.
What are you waiting for brah?

He changed it from $331 to $231.

Seems like he's either over invested or too emotional, just buy and hold 1-2 years or more and see where you're at with money you can afford to lose.

That's what I'm doing except a little longer.
We'll know in 5-10 years if bitcoin is going to go anywhere.

If you can stick to it for that long the upside is galactic. Bitcoin WILL be an integrated part of global trade by then. Forget ring tones, we are talking about billions every day all across the globe.



725. Post 10515152 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: yefi on February 19, 2015, 07:20:02 PM
I heard people say the same thing when Lehman/sub-prime mortgage fiasco was happening,   those same people still cannot figure out (7-8 years later) why they are working more, earning less, why their house is worth less, why their chicken and shopping costs more.

Greece does not operate in a vacuum, plus, make no mistake, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy are all looking very closely at what is happening, they also do not operate in a vacuum.

Even if there is a last minute compromise reached this week, even then, the future of Greece in the Euro is looking shaky. Elections coming up in other southern European countries soon too.

If you are in a position to be isolated and immune from the global financial situation, then bully for you, but while the world will not cave in on itself, neither will a grexit be an isolated event that effects only the Greeks.  

Yep, good post. It destroys the irrevocability of currency union. The ramifications of this will be disastrous. Greece may not be the bomb, but it will be the fuse for sure.

The glacial speed of EU decision making is going to knock us over the head again.

If they are going to let Greece go they have to take measures to prevent contagion.
If not, they have to signal some kind of path with a somewhat likely positive outcome.
This wimpering about is killing the economy before the bullet has left the barrel.



726. Post 10515381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 19, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
The problem is that Greece got in the currency Union under false pretenses. They should forfeit all national assets. They should nationalize everything they can steal and give it all to the banksters. Let Greece be the first open vassal state of the Banks. Every western country is anyway so we might as well be honest about it. Let democracy officially die first where it was born. Appoint a bankster governor, preferably some Greek sell-out. Auction off the Parthenon on eBay. I got my eye on a little Greek island I want to buy.

If it weren't for that fact that you're an american I would think that you were being ironic.




727. Post 10515396 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: LewiesMan on February 19, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
Forgive my ignorance but what does Greece have to do with the price of BTC?

Remember the banking crisis in Cypress? There is a possibility of a massive pump if a critical mass of Greeks use Bitcoin to evade/avoid capital controls, should capital controls be implemented.

That's what people said with the Ruble crash but nope Sad

Russians are "sort of" not allowed to buy bitcoins.



728. Post 10515490 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: LewiesMan on February 19, 2015, 07:56:44 PM
Forgive my ignorance but what does Greece have to do with the price of BTC?

Remember the banking crisis in Cypress? There is a possibility of a massive pump if a critical mass of Greeks use Bitcoin to evade/avoid capital controls, should capital controls be implemented.

That's what people said with the Ruble crash but nope Sad

Russians are "sort of" not allowed to buy bitcoins.

There's always a way!

There are plenty of ways, but the current elite don't like pissing off Kreml.



729. Post 10515931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 19, 2015, 08:29:37 PM
I don't believe Cyprus had much direct effect on the BTC price. The idea that the Cyprus crisis was causing a price boost was mentioned in the news in the US and Europe, which generated some hype. Some Europeans bought bitcoins, but I don't think much of the buying actually came from Cyprus.

Bitcoin was new and exciting back then. I'm not convinced another financial crisis now would have a similar effect.

Anyone who thinks the average Cypriot read up on BTC and then bought in within the space of a few days is tripping their tits off. It was inspiration for existing believers to buy more and that's about it.

A lot of russian oligarchs had their money stashed away there. Serious amounts. And they know what BTC is.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moscows-mafia-finds-an-island-in-the-sun-cyprus-is-awash-with-dubious-dollars-from-russia-robert-fisk-reports-from-limassol-on-the-visitors-with-private-jets-bulging-suitcases-and-a-reluctance-to-answer-questions-1381056.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/15/us-cyprus-outflows-insight-idUSBRE94E0BN20130515

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21831943

These people WOULD use BTC to GTFO.



730. Post 10515962 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 19, 2015, 08:47:27 PM


STOP ARGUING WITH PORKCHOPS!!!



731. Post 10515979 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: empowering on February 19, 2015, 08:48:01 PM
I don't believe Cyprus had much direct effect on the BTC price. The idea that the Cyprus crisis was causing a price boost was mentioned in the news in the US and Europe, which generated some hype. Some Europeans bought bitcoins, but I don't think much of the buying actually came from Cyprus.

Bitcoin was new and exciting back then. I'm not convinced another financial crisis now would have a similar effect.

Anyone who thinks the average Cypriot read up on BTC and then bought in within the space of a few days is tripping their tits off. It was inspiration for existing believers to buy more and that's about it.

A lot of russian oligarchs had their money stashed away there. Serious amounts. And they know what BTC is.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moscows-mafia-finds-an-island-in-the-sun-cyprus-is-awash-with-dubious-dollars-from-russia-robert-fisk-reports-from-limassol-on-the-visitors-with-private-jets-bulging-suitcases-and-a-reluctance-to-answer-questions-1381056.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/15/us-cyprus-outflows-insight-idUSBRE94E0BN20130515

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21831943

These people WOULD use BTC to GTFO.

only if they could actually get to the money... and in which case.... what would they need BTC for.

Get money out Cyprus....? These are not financial geniuses, they are crooks.



732. Post 10516111 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: empowering on February 19, 2015, 08:52:15 PM
I don't believe Cyprus had much direct effect on the BTC price. The idea that the Cyprus crisis was causing a price boost was mentioned in the news in the US and Europe, which generated some hype. Some Europeans bought bitcoins, but I don't think much of the buying actually came from Cyprus.

Bitcoin was new and exciting back then. I'm not convinced another financial crisis now would have a similar effect.

Anyone who thinks the average Cypriot read up on BTC and then bought in within the space of a few days is tripping their tits off. It was inspiration for existing believers to buy more and that's about it.

A lot of russian oligarchs had their money stashed away there. Serious amounts. And they know what BTC is.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moscows-mafia-finds-an-island-in-the-sun-cyprus-is-awash-with-dubious-dollars-from-russia-robert-fisk-reports-from-limassol-on-the-visitors-with-private-jets-bulging-suitcases-and-a-reluctance-to-answer-questions-1381056.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/15/us-cyprus-outflows-insight-idUSBRE94E0BN20130515

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21831943

These people WOULD use BTC to GTFO.

only if they could actually get to the money... and in which case.... what would they need BTC for.

Get money out Cyprus....? These are not financial geniuses, they are crooks.

? what please explain what you mean.



If you've made your money by sending burly blokes to whoever is in your way, and buying off the rest; you might not be as put off by putting large sums into a ridiculously unstable asset to avoid some government to get their hands on them as someone who made their money through dedication and prudent investment. If they timed it wrong they would loose more by buying BTC than simply accepting the terms of the government, a prudent investor would see this. But some of the kinds of crooks that were hiding money in Cyprus would not think like this.



733. Post 10516360 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 19, 2015, 09:07:54 PM


right ..... but that is a different discussion all together, there are logistics involved in moving large amounts of hot money no matter how you dice it. Though chances are if you have private jets worth of notes in cyprus stored in a luxury apartment, then you can probably do with not moving it for a month in the case capital controls are in place and all the banks shut and your usual friendly bank manager cannot help you out or you cannot deposit and transfer the cash to an exchange if going down the BTC route.

I was talking about how buying BTC is not an option for people that are already in a country that capital controls have been placed (and maybe expecting a haircut or a massive devaluation) as you would not be able to access those funds to buy BTC with.

If you've already lost access, then you're S.O.L., but you could use localbitcoins and pay a premium if you can pull your money out but not take it across the border.  An sd card is also less tempting for thieves and robbers (private sector or public) than a suitcase full of cash.

There was some back and forth in mid March and some restrictions were temporarily lifted for a while, but only a tiny fraction of the money deposited by wealthy russians made it into BTC. If it was a significant portion BTC would have gone way past the $1200 we saw later that year. There were quite a few dorment coins back then so the supply of coins would not have been able to trickle in fast enough.



734. Post 10516407 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: inca on February 19, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
great plan!

btw thanks for an extra hundred bucks!

I thought you don't trade?

He doesn't. He does what the Bitfinex dude does. He buys when it goes down and sells when it goes up.



735. Post 10516509 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: inca on February 19, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
great plan!

btw thanks for an extra hundred bucks!

I thought you don't trade?

He doesn't. He does what the Bitfinex dude does. He buys when it goes down and sells when it goes up.

What you describe is trading..

Explains his overly emotional posts when the price surged up to 268.



I know. That's what they said about the Bitfinex guy as well... it was an attempt at a joke.



736. Post 10520329 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: ErisDiscordia on February 20, 2015, 07:13:00 AM

Isn't it amusing that the Freedom Loving ancap bitcoiners post mainly to command other users to ignore and don't reply to this and that?  Grin

(Myself, I can ignore people on my head.  I don't see why one needs a computer to do that.)

at least no one gets thrown into jail and fined for ignoring this suggestion  Roll Eyes

I see the Esteemed Honorable Professor is attacking straw men again. The academic integrity of this man fills me with awe.

Edit: BTW, if you have people on your head you shouldn't ignore them. You have a job to do, get licking!



737. Post 10520659 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: medialab101 on February 20, 2015, 08:50:10 AM
Nice slow steady uptrend, bears not clogging up the forum with derision and contrived FUD, a nice piece about BTC on CNN that was fairly accurate and informative... what the hell is going on here!?!?!   Huh  Cheesy


Chinese New Year




738. Post 10522811 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: empowering on February 20, 2015, 01:32:08 PM
TLDR: Anyway, having lived under both neocon and socialist-Keynesian governments, I am now all for the latter, sorry.  I cannot understand how any country could believe that "austerity" is a good thing.  I would vote for Lula and Dilma again if I could.  I hope that the new Greece government can be as successful as Lula's -- in spite of not being led by a semi-illiterate mechanics worker...

I am with you. I think they did a good job.

Still I wonder, when people will realize, that there is no right or wrong. Most things are right at the right time.

A Keynesian government seems just right to increase overall living standards in emerging countries.

In the western world the main problem is not raising living standards, but over-consumption of scarce ressources.

Reading all these posts concerning Greece, I chose -on purpose- not to reply (especially to those colourful ones from BillyJoeAllen concerning his dreams of buying a Greek island that the government SHOULD sell; 'cause debt Grin... ).

The above comments are the essence of it all. That's what Syriza administration is looking for and they will -hopefully- manage to get it from the EU. The alternative scenario is (sadly) far worse and will cost a lot more to everybody.

Greece will just have to declare a full default and get back to 70s-80s financially - but that's EXACTLY what already happened the last 5 years with the current austerity measures; on the other hand other countries in line will probably follow "the new paradigm" and default to their own private monetary system. Bye Bye EU.

Besides, there are a couple of "good will" neighbours that will urge to "help" Greece in exchange for some space in the Aegean... Don't you love (geo)politics?

Anyway; today's the day. My bets are that they will figure it out peacefully.


Hmmm... I wonder what the outcome of today will be...  I think at best it will either be a temporary deal 4-6 months, or at worst that no deal was reached at all today and that they are back to the drawing board next week... for a more heightened and even closer to the 28th drama filled negotiations.
 





No deal will be reached today. EU is consensus driven, and they don't even agree with themselves about what they should agree on. The proposal Greece came up with was designed to provoke a no so that it would look like they had tried to be reasonable or simply to play the ball over to the germans. The germans want to be seen as the voice of reason and that the greeks are being impossible. But the greek offensive is turning the mood surprisingly efficiently.



739. Post 10526927 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 20, 2015, 01:52:06 PM
TLDR: Anyway, having lived under both neocon and socialist-Keynesian governments, I am now all for the latter, sorry.  I cannot understand how any country could believe that "austerity" is a good thing.  I would vote for Lula and Dilma again if I could.  I hope that the new Greece government can be as successful as Lula's -- in spite of not being led by a semi-illiterate mechanics worker...

I am with you. I think they did a good job.

Still I wonder, when people will realize, that there is no right or wrong. Most things are right at the right time.

A Keynesian government seems just right to increase overall living standards in emerging countries.

In the western world the main problem is not raising living standards, but over-consumption of scarce ressources.

Reading all these posts concerning Greece, I chose -on purpose- not to reply (especially to those colourful ones from BillyJoeAllen concerning his dreams of buying a Greek island that the government SHOULD sell; 'cause debt Grin... ).

The above comments are the essence of it all. That's what Syriza administration is looking for and they will -hopefully- manage to get it from the EU. The alternative scenario is (sadly) far worse and will cost a lot more to everybody.

Greece will just have to declare a full default and get back to 70s-80s financially - but that's EXACTLY what already happened the last 5 years with the current austerity measures; on the other hand other countries in line will probably follow "the new paradigm" and default to their own private monetary system. Bye Bye EU.

Besides, there are a couple of "good will" neighbours that will urge to "help" Greece in exchange for some space in the Aegean... Don't you love (geo)politics?

Anyway; today's the day. My bets are that they will figure it out peacefully.


Hmmm... I wonder what the outcome of today will be...  I think at best it will either be a temporary deal 4-6 months, or at worst that no deal was reached at all today and that they are back to the drawing board next week... for a more heightened and even closer to the 28th drama filled negotiations.
 





No deal will be reached today. EU is consensus driven, and they don't even agree with themselves about what they should agree on. The proposal Greece came up with was designed to provoke a no so that it would look like they had tried to be reasonable or simply to play the ball over to the germans. The germans want to be seen as the voice of reason and that the greeks are being impossible. But the greek offensive is turning the mood surprisingly efficiently.

I was wrong:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/20/us-eurozone-greece-deal-idUSKBN0LO21K20150220



740. Post 10527124 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: okthen on February 20, 2015, 08:22:31 PM
Greek deal is reached (apparently - though we have had many false starts). Bitcoin is flat... interesting.


It's so funny to watch. Syriza was all like "we're getting out of the Euro, blablabla".
What did they get? An extension which would have been granted to any political party who would have won.
A change of name for the Troika, so that they can brag to the Greek citizens.
Ridiculous.

We'll see. They only have 4 months to find a more permanent solution.



741. Post 10527461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: okthen on February 20, 2015, 08:41:30 PM
Greek deal is reached (apparently - though we have had many false starts). Bitcoin is flat... interesting.


It's so funny to watch. Syriza was all like "we're getting out of the Euro, blablabla".
What did they get? An extension which would have been granted to any political party who would have won.
A change of name for the Troika, so that they can brag to the Greek citizens.
Ridiculous.

We'll see. They only have 4 months to find a more permanent solution.

4 months is like nothing. They'll either get kicked out or Germany will leave the euro and send every other country to hell.

Oh no, the friendly cuddly germans. How will the world ever manage. A better idea would probably be to do what we should have done in 45; pull the borders of France, Poland and Denmark together until they meet. If only...



742. Post 10539129 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: mrkavasaki on February 21, 2015, 10:27:02 PM
looks like we had found the floor Cool

or what do you guys think? Tongue

I think so too, but I want to see the nov/dec-2014 pattern broken more convincingly before I wave in the horn section.




743. Post 10544875 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Should I ignore Dump3er? I only seem to get ass-gravy from him.



744. Post 10544934 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: D05GTO on February 22, 2015, 02:45:21 PM
Should I ignore Dump3er? I only seem to get ass-gravy from him.

Yup!

Quote from: calci on February 22, 2015, 02:46:51 PM
Should I ignore Dump3er? I only seem to get ass-gravy from him.
'

You should probably ignore every FUD on the thread.

Done

Thanks!



745. Post 10544968 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

I see spondoolies tech almost ran out of gear since I last checked a couple of hours ago. I don't know if that could have anything to do with the dump. People can ill afford to be tactful with these prices.



746. Post 10545033 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on February 22, 2015, 02:52:50 PM
Because they are preparing for next gen.

Because what?



747. Post 10545054 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: L0uis on February 22, 2015, 02:58:09 PM
Show is over, thank you for your presence.

You must be new to Bitcoin. It is decentralized crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99KH0TR-J4



748. Post 10545199 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on February 22, 2015, 03:01:02 PM
Because Spondoolies  is preparing for next gen machines.

I know that's why they eventually ran out. But someone must have bought quite a lot of SP20s today, because they were very well stocked earlier this morning. I'm just wondering if they handle their Bitcoin themselves and perhaps they were the dumpers.

Edit: Forget it. I hadn't looked at the volume yet. They clearly didn't dump 15k like that.



749. Post 10545213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: Fatov on February 22, 2015, 03:05:16 PM
Voted!
We have 6 days! haha
Quote
There will be another bear raid, bring us sub 200$ coins in February
yes   - 242 (40.7%)
no   - 297 (50%)
idk   - 55 (9.3%)

Thankfully, we're always wrong.



750. Post 10546285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Btc-e dipped to $228 for a while. Didn't want to see the the 220s again.

@Damiano we need more than that to get a proper squeeze. And I don't believe in a squeeze before the sr-coin auction anyway. However, if the bottom is as firm as it looks, we could have a helluva a spring waiting for after the auction.



751. Post 10546699 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.59h):

Quote from: inca on February 22, 2015, 05:27:54 PM
Btc-e dipped to $228 for a while. Didn't want to see the the 220s again.

@Damiano we need more than that to get a proper squeeze. And I don't believe in a squeeze before the sr-coin auction anyway. However, if the bottom is as firm as it looks, we could have a helluva a spring waiting for after the auction.

We would need probably 25k minimum, but I'm more worried on the ask side if a squeeze were to occur.

Whilst it is tempting to agree things will coil until the auction I don't think we can be certain. This time the coins are valued far lower, and are therefore much easier to purchase. Also the auction had no direct effect on the price the previous two times and so why expect anything spectacular this time?

If we have changed to an up trend and the auction keeps the price artificially low while swaps are building up, then that might bring about something spectacular.
The last two times we were obviously in a bear market. But we still haven't broken the nov/dec 2014 pattern properly so I'm not sure if anything will be different. We've had 1 month of green 1d macds today though. Makes the bottom feel firm and nice.



752. Post 10546885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: inca on February 22, 2015, 05:55:19 PM
If we have changed to an up trend and the auction keeps the price artificially low while swaps are building up, then that might bring about something spectacular.
The last two times we were obviously in a bear market. But we still haven't broken the nov/dec 2014 pattern properly so I'm not sure if anything will be different. We've had 1 month of green 1d macds today though. Makes the bottom feel firm and nice.

Fair point..shorts building nicely. Not long until they caught off guard by 20,000 coins unexpectedly bought in a few hours again lol.

China is starting to rinse some of that rice wine out of their blood after chinese new years, so the next couple of days should be interesting.



753. Post 10547458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: inca on February 22, 2015, 06:29:47 PM
You can imagine the advert for his current employment:

A wonderful job opportunity has arisen. I am seeking an asocial basement dweller. Must be available to work 24/7 365 including xmas. Essential qualities: must have a reasonable vocabulary, superiority complex and love of schadenfreude!


Sounds like a german finance minister



754. Post 10547783 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 22, 2015, 07:16:37 PM
NotHatinJustTrollin you are also obtuse and now ignored as well. I don't care when you got in. I know I got in much, much earlier because I was ahead of the curve in many ways and still am. You are here too much and protest way too much to be doing for anyone's benefit but your own. Suck it bitch.  




755. Post 10547815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: mavericklm on February 22, 2015, 07:21:59 PM
under 200$!!! i want to see it Grin

It looked better on the way up



756. Post 10548165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: ensjovis on February 22, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
under 200$!!! i want to see it Grin

All prices below $2 million are cheap.
anything above $1 million is a bit optimistic, is't it? (except $ hyperinflation scenario)

Today of course... But not in the mighty future.

http://youtu.be/vdPWnYnpEOw





That would mean a market cap of roughly 44 trillion dollars, which is more than the 2005 GWP (Gross World Product). A bit optimistic. If you think of Bitcoin as the Linux of money I think you will come to a more realistic(lol) number.



757. Post 10548253 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: damiano on February 22, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
Hmm looks like a few longs were spooked

Down to 15.9mill now

I'm ok with that.



758. Post 10548365 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on February 22, 2015, 08:05:46 PM
Normally: "BITCOINERS ARE SO AND SO!"
When called out about it: "I wasnt talking about you".
Why waste time on trolls and people prone on making bullshit generalizations and are only here to say "bitcoins be total failure"?

Most of us don't. But silverfuture is rich and can do and say what he wants without losing much sleep over it, so he does. And as someone said some pages ago, "bitcoiners are nerds", so pointless cat fights are our bread and butter.

But I agree: don't quote trolls



759. Post 10548405 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: podyx on February 22, 2015, 08:06:10 PM

I noticed this before on the orderbook



Anyone else finds that weird?


I would think that would be a bot carving up some coins. Or are you thinking of something else?



760. Post 10548738 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: podyx on February 22, 2015, 08:24:57 PM

I noticed this before on the orderbook



Anyone else finds that weird?


I would think that would be a bot carving up some coins. Or are you thinking of something else?

Well, the 237.47 order is mine so I just thought it was a strange coinicidence. Or somebody is trolling me Grin

I wouldn't care about it if it wasn't for the strange incident that happend yesterday night. Also, what kinda makes it more suspicious is that it struggled to go above $237.46 for a solid hour

There is no such thing in BitcoinLand. But I don't know then, and I dare not speculate. We don't need more fuckery from stamp.



761. Post 10549223 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on February 22, 2015, 09:41:05 PM

I noticed this before on the orderbook



Anyone else finds that weird?


I would think that would be a bot carving up some coins. Or are you thinking of something else?

Well, the 237.47 order is mine so I just thought it was a strange coinicidence. Or somebody is trolling me Grin

I wouldn't care about it if it wasn't for the strange incident that happend yesterday night. Also, what kinda makes it more suspicious is that it struggled to go above $237.46 for a solid hour
Bahaha! I did this sort of stuff when I actively traded too. Endlessly one-upping peoples orders when you could tell they were human.

What's the idea behind that? Just trolling?



762. Post 10549562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 22, 2015, 10:10:59 PM
NotHatinJustTrollin you are also obtuse and now ignored as well. I don't care when you got in. I know I got in much, much earlier because I was ahead of the curve in many ways and still am. You are here too much and protest way too much to be doing for anyone's benefit but your own. Suck it bitch.  



Thanks for illustrating Cheesy

It had good flow, was succinct and had a kind of kanye/snoop dogg attitude to it. It deserved an illustration.



763. Post 10559684 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Back in the $240s and shorts creeping towards 22k. All I want for Christmas is my... [cue dubstep] SHITSTORM!!!!



764. Post 10574909 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: ghandi on February 25, 2015, 08:23:57 AM
3-2-1..let's drop! Cheesy

Don't kick the baby...



765. Post 10574972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

BTC-E is hardly moving, I think someone is just jerking our chain.



766. Post 10575027 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

The whaleclub.co crowd are so happy with themselves. If you think the wall observer thread is an echo chamber, you should check out these guys.



767. Post 10575229 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 25, 2015, 09:06:13 AM
We are breaking up from the triangle soon

 ... as obvious as a wart on the end of your nose.

Yet few will admit to it, or do anything about it .... same deal with the wart.

I will admit to anything. Just bounce that mofo up to the $380s, and I'm game.



768. Post 10575431 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 25, 2015, 09:35:40 AM
We are breaking up from the triangle soon

 ... as obvious as a wart on the end of your nose.

Yet few will admit to it, or do anything about it .... same deal with the wart.

I will admit to anything. Just bounce that mofo up to the $380s, and I'm game.

it is a powerful triangle now going back over a year ... probably move quite rapidly up to 500, don't see 380 as significant but 250-300 range could be active for a while until breakout confirms

I'm ok with $500



769. Post 10575608 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: camolist on February 25, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
NO btc available for margin selling below 0.1% per day

edit: top of the hour auto lending scripts put ~50 btc up for loan under 0.1 but still very little

So if someone wants to do something, this is a nice opportunity?



770. Post 10576310 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on February 25, 2015, 11:28:25 AM
Wall Street, bitcoin. Bitcoin, wall street.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ex-goldman-director-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-brokerage-2015-02-25-5203121

Quote
The platform aims to appeal to sophisticated investors and is backed by a high-profile team of experienced professionals from top investment banks and regulatory advisors. "The bitcoin space still lacks professional, reliable marketplaces, and this is what we provide. We apply the same standards in terms of risk management, compliance and reporting as you would see in the traditional finance space," said Timo Schlaefer, Co-Founder and CEO.

Making it easier for wall street hedge funds to gain bitcoin exposure using all of their traditional clearing systems etc.

This should be as good a reason as any to launch this mofo



771. Post 10576314 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 25, 2015, 11:38:45 AM
Good Morning Gentlemens!! The mood is delightful in here today.

Echo chamber? Trolls? Tides turning?   You don't say!







Quality gif!



772. Post 10576622 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 25, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
you annoying bulls babbling about shorts and moon after a 1~2 $ rise...

50 k of old coins will hit open market soon, so you better pump this shit hard if you dont want to see 2 k batches of coins going for 150 $ or under!

You see the writing on the wall, you just like being cynical. Or you're just scared of seeming naive. Man up and take the plunge!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHb2g1Tm4E



773. Post 10576843 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: tarmi on February 25, 2015, 12:31:52 PM
you annoying bulls babbling about shorts and moon after a 1~2 $ rise...

50 k of old coins will hit open market soon, so you better pump this shit hard if you dont want to see 2 k batches of coins going for 150 $ or under!

You see the writing on the wall, you just like being cynical. Or you're just scared of seeming naive. Man up and take the plunge!






lol



774. Post 10582337 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 25, 2015, 09:02:28 PM


 Grin

I was just now going to post that. I guess when it rains it pours, in both directions.



775. Post 10586895 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 26, 2015, 04:28:26 AM
What a fucking clown. Using bitcoin as a currency for a country:
https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/570609094438088705

Until now I believed that Jon Matonis was one of the few sensible and realist people in the bitcon scene (even though he is a bitcoin salesman).  But that is just too naive (or insincere).  Oh well...
e

[1]So what is YOUR take on nations spending money that the unborn will have to repay? [2] If that's not taxation w/o representation, then what is it? You think that's moral? [3]We fought a war against the strongest empire on earth to stop that kind of tyranny.

Are you gonna make some bullshit argument that the ends justifies the means as long as they invest the loot right?

Bja, you know I love you. You often want my coins to appreciate, which I like. But this is just retarded.

1) They will inherit the country as well. If the elected government thinks they need to build up some debt to avoid a worse faith for the country, then that's what they must do.
2) It's regular taxation. Most of the choices made by the current generation affects the next. They were represented by their parents and grandparents.
3) If you think you think that the problem with Nazi-Germany was taxation, then your ignorance is close to offensive. Which is quite a feat.



776. Post 10587247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: Wary on February 26, 2015, 09:59:07 AM
3) If you think you think that the problem with Nazi-Germany was taxation, then your ignorance is close to offensive. Which is quite a feat.
No Nazi. He was talking about British Empire. "No taxation without representation" etc.

Oh, lord



777. Post 10587544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 26, 2015, 10:09:23 AM
What a fucking clown. Using bitcoin as a currency for a country:
https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/570609094438088705

Until now I believed that Jon Matonis was one of the few sensible and realist people in the bitcon scene (even though he is a bitcoin salesman).  But that is just too naive (or insincere).  Oh well...
e

[1]So what is YOUR take on nations spending money that the unborn will have to repay? [2] If that's not taxation w/o representation, then what is it? You think that's moral? [3]We fought a war against the strongest empire on earth to stop that kind of tyranny.

Are you gonna make some bullshit argument that the ends justifies the means as long as they invest the loot right?

Bja, you know I love you. You often want my coins to appreciate, which I like. But this is just retarded.

1) They will inherit the country as well. If the elected government thinks they need to build up some debt to avoid a worse faith for the country, then that's what they must do.
2) It's regular taxation. Most of the choices made by the current generation affects the next. They were represented by their parents and grandparents.
3) If you think you think that the problem with Nazi-Germany was taxation, then your ignorance is close to offensive. Which is quite a feat.


[1]Huh Surely you know I was referring to the American Revolutionary War where taxation w/o representation was explicitly a casus belli. By your reasoning, the colonialists were represented by the King and the Founding Fathers were traitors. [2]You must also know that an heir can inherit wealth if the deceased has a positive net worth but is NOT obligated to take on debts of the deceased if he doesn't. We all have an obligation to our children that we don't have to our parents because nobody chooses to be born.

1) I'm sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.
2) There are very good reasons why that applies to personal debt and very good reasons why they don't apply to public debt. A country is not a person. It doesn't die. If and when it is dissolved, vanquished, conquered, then it is reasonable to ask where the debt goes.


But yes, there is a lot of risk involved with adding to an already huge debt. But sometimes the alternatives are worse. There was no reason to keep adding to the deficit after the dot-com crash of 2001 had been dealt with. So from 2002/2003-2008 both congress and the president should have focused on turning the deficit into a surplus. But instead they decided to gamble the nations future on an oxymoron called big-government conservatism. Kicking the dollar and replacing it with Bitcoin is not going to make republicans (both voters and politicians) less stupid. That requires education, publicly funded education. Even those on the right should recognize this.



778. Post 10588252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: silverfuture on February 26, 2015, 12:14:22 PM

1) I'm sorry, I forgot who I was talking to.
2) There are very good reasons why that applies to personal debt and very good reasons why they don't apply to public debt. A country is not a person. It doesn't die. If and when it is dissolved, vanquished, conquered, then it is reasonable to ask where the debt goes.


But yes, there is a lot of risk involved with adding to an already huge debt. But sometimes the alternatives are worse. There was no reason to keep adding to the deficit after the dot-com crash of 2001 had been dealt with. So from 2002/2003-2008 both congress and the president should have focused on turning the deficit into a surplus. But instead they decided to gamble the nations future on an oxymoron called big-government conservatism. Kicking the dollar and replacing it with Bitcoin is not going to make republicans (both voters and politicians) less stupid. That requires education, publicly funded education. Even those on the right should recognize this.


1) no problem.
2) a government is not a country.

I'm not conservative (except culturally). I don't want to end the dollar. I want to end the forced use of the dollar by ending legal tender laws. Bitcoin may not ever catch on, but we should be free to use whatever form of money a buyer and seller agrees on.

Education is important, but politicians, bureaucrats and teachers don't have the incentives to do it well, which is why the don't do it well. Public choice economics predicts this and test scores confirm it. Online resources like The Khan Academy is free and take no tax money. That's not the whole solution, but part of it.  https://www.khanacademy.org/

Well said BJA.  Education certainly does not need to be publicly funded and controlled by bureaucrats to be effective or accessible at all. Why does this myth exist in spite of the myriad evidence against it?
It does in order to be accessible. And for society and social econommics, that's the important bit.



779. Post 10589862 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: empowering on February 26, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
Talking of which I am more than curious to see how these guys get on, if they make it off the ground at all, and if so when, if they make it there, and actually manage to make a go of it, if they win the race, and what will follow.

http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap

I am not sure about these guys at all, if they know what they are up to.

Time will tell.

It has been suggested by some that it will take another 100 years before we reach Mars... but then people said the same thing about sequencing the human genome halfway through the project when it was only 1% complete.

It could well be that Orion reaches Mars first... or another project we do not even know the name of yet.

Or not at all.

Going to be interesting finding out though.



To keep their schedule they need to order some doohickey(can't remember what it was) from Lockheed Martin within 6 months, and it looks like they won't. Which means the end of the project.



780. Post 10590448 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: empowering on February 26, 2015, 03:24:56 PM
Talking of which I am more than curious to see how these guys get on, if they make it off the ground at all, and if so when, if they make it there, and actually manage to make a go of it, if they win the race, and what will follow.

http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap

I am not sure about these guys at all, if they know what they are up to.

Time will tell.

It has been suggested by some that it will take another 100 years before we reach Mars... but then people said the same thing about sequencing the human genome halfway through the project when it was only 1% complete.

It could well be that Orion reaches Mars first... or another project we do not even know the name of yet.

Or not at all.

Going to be interesting finding out though.



To keep their schedule they need to order some doohickey(can't remember what it was) from Lockheed Martin within 6 months, and it looks like they won't. Which means the end of the project.

oh , I had not seen/heard that, last I heard that they had another year delay.

Eitherway these are all interesting ideas..

Interesting to think lockheed could take themselves there if they wanted, as no doubt could a few other corps out there... and they will.. soon as the profit model is locked in.






There are quite a few people in this thread who would be happy on Mars. No government, no taxes, no infrastructure. If some of them could channel their energies into a Mars settlement, it could happen in no time at all.



781. Post 10590818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: empowering on February 26, 2015, 04:26:36 PM

There are quite a few people in this thread who would be happy on Mars. No government, no taxes, no infrastructure. If some of them could channel their energies into a Mars settlement, it could happen in no time at all.

There are a few people on this thread that I wish they would grind up and grit bloody roads with....preferably on Mars.  Cheesy

Hmmm....ok.




782. Post 10590850 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: weloveu on February 26, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
Price not going up? Where is dev?  Huh




@billyjoeallen stopped buying MOAR ...
Is he one of the devs?

Dev promised roadmap "coming soon".

I'm hodling strong but children are screaming and wife hates the invisible coins.
What to do?

Is this scam?  Huh



re wife: flowers, always flowers.



783. Post 10591033 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: empowering on February 26, 2015, 05:06:43 PM

There are quite a few people in this thread who would be happy on Mars. No government, no taxes, no infrastructure. If some of them could channel their energies into a Mars settlement, it could happen in no time at all.

There are a few people on this thread that I wish they would grind up and grit bloody roads with....preferably on Mars.  Cheesy

Hmmm....ok.



ha ha yeah I was kinda kidding...

Ignore button is your friend no doubt.

No no, I'm game! That's the button for the grinder. Or was it me you were thinking of?



784. Post 10591439 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: BitChick on February 26, 2015, 05:49:28 PM
Speaking of "marshall auction next week"  is this the last of the coins the feds have to auction at this point?  I hope so.  I think that it has caused some parties to keep prices deflated for hopes of purchasing in at a lower price, or just the fears that price will plummet because of such a huge amount being sold off.



No, there will be 44k left after this one.



785. Post 10591526 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: samsonn25 on February 26, 2015, 05:54:57 PM
The buyers at the auction will probably hold on to the coins for awhile
Would think so, it's a good opportunity to buy large amounts of coins without worrying about liquidity.



786. Post 10591618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: Erdogan on February 26, 2015, 06:05:48 PM
Price not going up? Where is dev?  Huh




@billyjoeallen stopped buying MOAR ...
Is he one of the devs?

Dev promised roadmap "coming soon".

I'm hodling strong but children are screaming and wife hates the invisible coins.
What to do?

Is this scam?  Huh



re wife: flowers, always flowers.

This is true. Buying flowers to wife is always smart, but economically it is the equivalent of burning coins.


Buy cheap bundles, fluff them up and put them in a vase yourself so she can't tell. It's still not free, but damage control is much more costly.



787. Post 10591701 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: BitChick on February 26, 2015, 06:10:11 PM
Price not going up? Where is dev?  Huh




@billyjoeallen stopped buying MOAR ...
Is he one of the devs?

Dev promised roadmap "coming soon".

I'm hodling strong but children are screaming and wife hates the invisible coins.
What to do?

Is this scam?  Huh



re wife: flowers, always flowers.

This is true. Buying flowers to wife is always smart, but economically it is the equivalent of burning coins.


I would totally prefer coins to flowers!  How about an origami flower made out of a paper wallet?  That would be perfect!  Grin



You say that, but I am sure you turn all gooey inside whenever you get flowers.



788. Post 10591961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: weloveu on February 26, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
ETF from the facebook twins coming soon right?

In two weeks maybe? Possible? Huh Please  Huh

Two weeks, two months, two years. Who knows? Those things can be a mofo to get approved.



789. Post 10593765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: bassclef on February 26, 2015, 10:03:30 PM
Price seems to be going down a bit now. But I don't think this is going to end in another flash crash. And even if we should go down as much as last night, it will only show the resilience Bitcoin has managed to gain over the past weeks!

to me it looks like a slow grind down.

We've been consolidating with higher highs since Feb Jan 30. Hardly a grind down.

FTFY



790. Post 10594473 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on February 26, 2015, 11:45:25 PM
NotLambchop, WTF are you doing with your life? You average ~20 posts per day on bitcointalk over nearly a year's time. Shocked

You're the moderator

Edit: just looked at your Shroomie quote. One of the most bullish signs we've had since the super-crash is his absence.



791. Post 10594570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

I'm going to bed now. Don't destroy Bitcoin while I'm sleeping.



792. Post 10596470 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

I believe I told you:

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 27, 2015, 12:03:56 AM
I'm going to bed now. Don't destroy Bitcoin while I'm sleeping.


WTH is this???



793. Post 10596579 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Well, that broke the nov/dec 2014 pattern.



794. Post 10596606 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Quote from: Newar on February 27, 2015, 06:11:00 AM
Well, that broke the nov/dec 2014 pattern.

It did. False breakout?  Grin

Perhaps, but if someone is painting candles they're painting something new this time.



795. Post 10596670 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Lots of people jumping off the train, swaps picking up again after an insignificant drop.




796. Post 10596822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.00h):

Well, that was fun.



797. Post 10596871 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Slight battle for 250 at finex. Someone is moving walls around and replenishing them whenever they get eaten.



798. Post 10598918 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 27, 2015, 11:04:03 AM
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2015/02/26/companies-slowly-warm-bitcoin
Quote
We would expect Bitcoin to stagnate some more before resuming the move down. This is our best bet at the moment. $200 (dashed red line) might be the level to observe as far as the next move to the downside is concerned.

Summing up, we think speculative short positions might be the way to go.

ouch, reamed.

I see it's from yesterday. Bad timing.



799. Post 10598955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on February 27, 2015, 11:39:50 AM
Shorts clearly don't believe in the move up: finex BTC swaps are back up to >23K, the same level as before the "breakout". What will it take to get them to cover?!?

If the price stays 250+ today and starts climbing again tomorrow, nerves are gonna get rattled.



800. Post 10598976 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: inca on February 27, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
Shorts clearly don't believe in the move up: finex BTC swaps are back up to >23K, the same level as before the "breakout". What will it take to get them to cover?!?

More buying from the unleveraged.

edit: this is how a bear trend changes to bull trend, retail gets clipped over and over until they wise up..did you really think bitcoin was going to drop down to sub 100 dollar levels? lol..
A lot of people were hoping for it.
It was never going to happen.

Well never say never Smiley But there are currently 23000 bitcoins which have to be bought back on just bitfinex exchange alone. The typical number of short contracts since finex began is between 5 and 10k. Even if we just head back to 15k you can see on the orderbook how far up that takes us when those coins are bought back during capitulation or liquidation purchases.

We haven't seen a squeeze yet.

I dare not dream. But I have started looking at car ads again.



801. Post 10599312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

BTC-E crossed 250



802. Post 10602586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: elasticband on February 27, 2015, 05:58:29 PM
RIP leonard nimoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU



RIP



803. Post 10602666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: razorramon on February 27, 2015, 06:11:11 PM
This user is currently ignored.


Which user do you keep referring to?

s/he is posting this all the time...i dont know why

He's annoying even when he is on ignore



804. Post 10610235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

I would feel more comfortable if there were more real money keeping the price up. A lot of people going long on margin.



805. Post 10614175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: wpalczynski on February 28, 2015, 06:47:03 PM
The poll is pretty bullish, 56.5% of people believe we are at the beginning of a bull run.

Only problem is: we're always wrong



806. Post 10614263 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on February 28, 2015, 08:03:04 PM
The poll is pretty bullish, 56.5% of people believe we are at the beginning of a bull run.

Only problem is: we're always wrong

Only 32% say no.
Bears are diminishing in their numbers.

I know, just hope we didn't jinx it with the poll. Fingers crossed!



807. Post 10617471 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on March 01, 2015, 04:58:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2FB9Mg_YI

Fyrstikken just did voice for a pretty hilarious new Bitcoin song. 

Brilliant!



808. Post 10621700 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: oda.krell on March 01, 2015, 11:20:28 AM
Well, the price being 252$, it means that everybody who who owns bitcoin thinks that they are worth more than 245$; but, on the other hand, everybody in the world who has some money to spare thinks that 1 BTC is not worth 255$.


You really are not much of an economist, are you ? Cheesy How does such an oversimplifying way to look at economic choice even go together with your ability to solve abstract mathematical problems?

Okay. To name just one objection to such an incredibly naive model of the market:

Misrepresentation of your actual valuation for strategic purposes.

Similar to the misrepresentation, "tactical voting", in voting theory: sometimes it is individually rational for an actor not to cast a vote according to his sincere preference.

Are we sure that this is the real Jorge Stolfi? Maybe the real Jorge Stolfi is a reasoned and thoughtful person who knows what he's talking about. Maybe we are contributing to damaging his good name and reputation by arguing with this imposter. Brazil can't be that desperate.



809. Post 10624594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Holy Flippin Moly!!!  Shocked



810. Post 10624621 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

It's like financial kung fu!



811. Post 10624647 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: bassclef on March 01, 2015, 09:51:13 PM
Start posting trains.

Couldn't find a train




812. Post 10625087 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):




813. Post 10625308 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: Erdogan on March 01, 2015, 11:09:02 PM
[...]

Your first paragraph: Neither he nor I have said that the market price is identical to everybody's sincere valuation. The point is that everybody has a different valuation, either above or below the last price.

The other paragraphs: Yeah, all kinds of reasons for what people do.


I'm getting the feeling you're reaching here.

Jorge's original quote, one more time:

Quote
everybody who who owns bitcoin thinks that they are worth more than 245$; but, on the other hand, everybody in the world who has some money to spare thinks that 1 BTC is not worth 255$.

"thinks that they are worth" ... "thinks that 1 BTC is not worth" ...

If that's not supposed to be about fundamental, "sincere", valuation then it's phrased pretty misleading. If it is about fundamental valuation, see my argument above.

No it is precise. There is no fundamental valuation, it is speculation about what others will do in the future. It goes for all money, the reason is that money can not directly be used for anything.





814. Post 10633603 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

789 coins in one buy on finex



815. Post 10634075 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: thebityoda on March 02, 2015, 07:27:18 PM
lambpoo




Ignore button, sweet ignore button



816. Post 10634541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Still no squeeze. But it must start to hurt soon.



817. Post 10634601 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: Raystonn on March 02, 2015, 08:33:13 PM
Bitcoin's Back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq57BjBVq7o


Bitcoin still has some way to go when it comes to attracting talents.



818. Post 10635210 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.01h):

Quote from: spooderman on March 02, 2015, 09:11:59 PM
Ah shit, tbh I hate the bull runs. I can't get any work done. I sit here reading this absurd thread.

If it gets high enough I'll start posting love hearts.

Absurd you say?




819. Post 10640444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: ErisDiscordia on March 03, 2015, 09:49:34 AM
Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

Edit: Or as Oda said.



820. Post 10640584 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 03, 2015, 10:05:18 AM
Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.


but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.



821. Post 10640687 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: shmadz on March 03, 2015, 10:28:53 AM
Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.


but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.



822. Post 10640726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Wary on March 03, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

Edit: Or as Oda said.
They don't chose their government in the sense they chose their doctor or internet provider. Obama is your president whether you like it or not. You are subject of the state and it's laws whether you like it or not. And you cannot opt out.

So, they don't chose their government, but they do trust it. Why?

a) Indoctrination, for the first 20 years of life. Would a teacher in a a state-sponsored and state-regulated schools / university teach you that state shouldn't be trusted?

b) Self-delusion. We can't live in an unjust world. Since we can't change the world, we change our world picture.
We persuade ourselves that state is not stationary bandit, but public servant. Not wolf, but shepherd.

Because they have a better understanding of what a democracy is than you do.



823. Post 10640816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 03, 2015, 10:33:53 AM
Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.


but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.

exactly,

its not because you get the illusion to choose between two puppet scumbags, put there by extensive media coverage and other shadow banking interests whilst pretending to be different (democrate vs republican, right vs left...) that you have a choice. you dont. they force that choice illusion so you STFU, do your chords and pay your taxes.

edit: thats called 'representative' democracy. which by definition is not democracy.

If you're talking about the US then there is definitely a democratic shortfall in the system. The two parties are center-right and right-wing parties. The Congress doesn't work, partly because of filibuster rules that lets a minority block the democratically elected majority from getting things done, and partly because the american people don't understand its role so they keep electing retarded yahoos to punish a president for stuff that was the responsibility of the Congress. But the US has strong democratic institutions and a strong democratic tradition, so if the people wants to clean up this mess, they can.

If you're talking about Britain: Only a democracy could have forced the Torys to work with Nick "The Invertebrate" Clegg.



824. Post 10640823 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Wary on March 03, 2015, 10:45:19 AM
We all have a lot more say that someone living in China, N Korea, Zimbabwe etc etc etc

I feel pretty comfortable when I compare myself to those poor souls...
Don't be so comfortable about China. Those poor souls can have more say in some personal matters than you do.

Yes, I sense that a one-party state is what you're dreaming of.



825. Post 10643796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Probably a repost:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLu1yAeWNtw

But it seems like Varoufakis is quite familiar with Bitcoin.



826. Post 10644288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: macsga on March 03, 2015, 04:18:45 PM
I already posted this, but there seem to be many new users who may need the information:

The English suffix "-ant" can be attached to some verb roots to yield an adjective or noun that means someone or something who is doing (or just did, or customarily does) the action signified by the verb.  The root verbs that take this suffix seem to be mostly of Latin origin, that had infinitive ending in "-are"; those with "-ere" Latin infinitives take the "-ent" suffix instead.  Thus for example, while "to solve" gives "solvent", and "to precede" gives "predecent", we have "protestant" from "to protest", "claimant" from "to claim", "entrant" from "to enter" (Latin "entrare"), etc.

Remeber this whenever you feel the urge to click "ignore".


Nice one.

Still, the ignore button is your friend, especially when the troll brigade is out in force. What matters really is how you define 'troll'... different opinion than my own: not a troll. Low content posts trying to get a rise out of people: troll, ignore becomes an option if you still want to use the forum for its intended purpose.

I second that, and for the story, even I don't agree with many people's posts here I don't have them on ignore. I do have on ignore though a LOOOONG list of multiple accounts of -a-one-and-single-user- here... LambYourMotherEtc... Grin




[sorry for quoting "stolfi"]




827. Post 10644543 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 03, 2015, 05:06:19 PM
you all ready for this?  Cool

stop teasing



828. Post 10645343 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Richy_T on March 03, 2015, 05:51:11 PM

Always buy a boat smaller than you think you can afford. It will usually prove you wrong... And it's about the time of year to have mine serviced again. :/

I'm tempted to think about something around 30ft. I think that would be a nice size for just messing around in.



Kind of takes the shine off what we're trying to do here.



829. Post 10645886 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 03, 2015, 07:10:48 PM
I like how everybody disregarded that 50000 BTC auction that is about to happen in approximately 48 hours.

isnt it on the 9th?

you would think its obvious that second market is going to buy up the lot if possible..

Exactly, and if they do win I expect Barry to say so.

is this the last batch to be auctioned off? if so, id also expect them to announce that they payed way over market price for them.. 1) because we are in the middle of bull run 2) btc will sky rocket so when they launch trading on their new pink sheets exchange, they will get way more for the bitcoins.. easy money..

there's one last batch of ~44K after this 50K

after that we can all buy a fcking boat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_eiUQM0SB0



830. Post 10645900 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Norway on March 03, 2015, 07:14:49 PM
US lost keys to their BTC and now trying to buy them up at open market? Can we start this rumor cause i like where this is going.
The U.S. Marshals clicked "Reply to all" and sent the keys to everybody  Cheesy

I would LMAO if they got hacked



831. Post 10645947 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Norway on March 03, 2015, 07:18:38 PM
well.. you guys can all buy up all the boats you like... im gettin me a private jet bitches.. Grin


How do you spear fish from that?  Wink

No problem




832. Post 10646328 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Wary on March 03, 2015, 07:22:48 PM
We all have a lot more say that someone living in China, N Korea, Zimbabwe etc etc etc

I feel pretty comfortable when I compare myself to those poor souls...
Don't be so comfortable about China. Those poor souls can have more say in some personal matters than you do.

Yes, I sense that a one-party state is what you're dreaming of.
Instead of mind-reading, try logical thinking: Can a person that calls state a "stationary bandit" be dreaming of a state?

You are very selective when it comes to logic. So mind-reading is the best I can do.



833. Post 10646364 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Snipe85 on March 03, 2015, 08:06:01 PM
This is the best pump since Coinbase in January. I hope it won't end like that one.

In theory it shouldn't. We are quite certain we found a solid foundation at around $220 and now newer developments and future potential needs to be priced in. However, as you can see by the way i phrased myself: It's still a gamble.



834. Post 10646625 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Wary on March 03, 2015, 08:15:27 PM
We all have a lot more say that someone living in China, N Korea, Zimbabwe etc etc etc

I feel pretty comfortable when I compare myself to those poor souls...
Don't be so comfortable about China. Those poor souls can have more say in some personal matters than you do.

Yes, I sense that a one-party state is what you're dreaming of.
Instead of mind-reading, try logical thinking: Can a person that calls state a "stationary bandit" be dreaming of a state?

You are very selective when it comes to logic. So mind-reading is the best I can do.
If it's the best you can do, I wouldn't recommended doing it [mind-reading] at all, since this best is worse than nothing.
Let's try logic instead. Could you point out on my logical falls? It could be beneficial for both of us.

I could. I'll start with the brief version: the sentiment communicated in the sentence I have marked with bold is illogical. It either means that you are an anarchist (left or right, one is dumber, both are illogical), or a liberal (don't start with faux inventive american term: libertarian) who can't grasp that the state plays a vital role in protecting those liberal rights, or you are someone who is anti-politics with strong political opinions.

Do you need more? Have I misunderstood something?



835. Post 10646779 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 03, 2015, 08:44:30 PM
Where the trolls at?

I fill in as a temp.

Oh you foolish bitcoiners... your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!!!



836. Post 10647084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Wary on March 03, 2015, 08:48:43 PM
Can a person that calls state a "stationary bandit" be dreaming of a state?
I'll start with the brief version: the sentiment communicated in the sentence I have marked with bold is illogical. It either means that you are an anarchist (left or right, one is dumber, both are illogical), or a liberal (don't start with faux inventive american term: libertarian) who can't grasp that the state plays a vital role in protecting those liberal rights, or you are someone who is anti-politics with strong political opinions.

Do you need more? Have I misunderstood something?
This one would do, thanks. However, I cannot see problem with logic. Person that calls the state "stationary bandit" obviously doesn't like the state. Right? While "dreaming of a ... state" means that the person likes some form of state. Right? So the bolded sentence can be translated to: "if I say that I don't like state, why you are making conclusion that I like state?". IMO, this is logical and reasonable question. While your conclusion is not logical. Your move Smiley

My claim was that based on my experience with you I cannot assume that there is a logical consistency behind what you are saying. What I was trying to show in the last post was why. Either you got lost trying to figure out what logic is, or you don't want to share with me which one of the three types of illogical political leanings you have. Or maybe there is a fourth that I haven't thought of. No moves, just curious.



837. Post 10647136 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: ThatDGuy on March 03, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
Where the trolls at?

I fill in as a temp.

Oh you foolish bitcoiners... your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!!!

...this is actually better troll content than we're used to.  Careful, you might end up with a permanent position with that kind of output.

I heard they get payed as much as 50 cents a day!!! Woohoooo!! A new world opens up to me!



838. Post 10647160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: stereotype on March 03, 2015, 09:17:50 PM
Where the trolls at?

I fill in as a temp.

Oh you foolish bitcoiners... your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!!!
Why does that actually sound so much funnier than NLC.  Grin

Oh, and your nan eats lavender bulbs, while teaching a pink elephant to belly dance. Yeah.

Admittedly it was written by gods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy4zULKFDU



839. Post 10647326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Holy Guacamole!!! $293 on finex



840. Post 10647369 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Wary on March 03, 2015, 09:32:21 PM
Can a person that calls state a "stationary bandit" be dreaming of a state?
I'll start with the brief version: the sentiment communicated in the sentence I have marked with bold is illogical. It either means that you are an anarchist (left or right, one is dumber, both are illogical), or a liberal (don't start with faux inventive american term: libertarian) who can't grasp that the state plays a vital role in protecting those liberal rights, or you are someone who is anti-politics with strong political opinions.

Do you need more? Have I misunderstood something?
This one would do, thanks. However, I cannot see problem with logic. Person that calls the state "stationary bandit" obviously doesn't like the state. Right? While "dreaming of a ... state" means that the person likes some form of state. Right? So the bolded sentence can be translated to: "if I say that I don't like state, why you are making conclusion that I like state?". IMO, this is logical and reasonable question. While your conclusion is not logical. Your move Smiley

My claim was that based on my experience with you I cannot assume that there is a logical consistency behind what you are saying. What I was trying to show in the last post was why. Either you got lost trying to figure out what logic is, or you don't want to share with me which one of the three types of illogical political leanings you have. Or maybe there is a fourth that I haven't thought of. No moves, just curious.
So you are not using logic because you think that I don't use it either. And you think that I don't use logic because I don't share your political views. OK. Thanks for the discussion, it was really enlightening. Smiley

qe?

That was the weirdest cop out I've seen in a while.

Well, the best of luck to you!



841. Post 10647511 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: 12345mm on March 03, 2015, 09:45:40 PM
laaaaaaa la la la la laaaaaaa la la la la laaaaaaa ... that's as close to singing as i can type ... was neat to see that 400k buy ... guess somebody thinks 300+ is near (and wants to make 10 grand while it does) ...
Why the heck are you singing Coldplay?



842. Post 10647681 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 03, 2015, 09:56:13 PM
Hm... time to close the longs and take a really nice profit from 247$?  Grin

once we hit 310-320 we might only retrace to like 295 before going to 32,000$ per bitcoin, hope realize what you're doing by selling now.
32,000?

100,000 USD BTC's are surely only 2 years away Wink

Only if you count the devaluation of the dollar due to the bitch slapping it will receive from Bitcoin. But in 2014 dollars he is spot on.

[not serious]



843. Post 10650388 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Bozuatle on March 04, 2015, 02:20:22 AM
hohoho



Stop quoting trolls



844. Post 10657896 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: petahashminer on March 04, 2015, 04:57:36 PM
see the news one hour ago

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102476273




That been said. Bitcoin isn't Gold, Steel or Cement. In theory an ETF (or similar) shouldn't be necessary. I understand that a lot of investors like to work that way, but it's kind of odd when they just as well could open an account on Coinbase and trensfer it to a Trezor.



845. Post 10657950 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 04, 2015, 05:11:11 PM
SOON




worth repeating.....

I hope this is right and "SOON" would be by either this summer or at least before the end of 2015.

I'm predicting a 112X increase within 2.5 years

32,000$ HERE WE COME

 Cheesy

I get the feeling there's a lot of snow and liquid involved when you're at the keyboard?



846. Post 10657987 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 04, 2015, 05:15:32 PM
see the news one hour ago

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102476273




That been said. Bitcoin isn't Gold, Steel or Cement. In theory an ETF (or similar) shouldn't be necessary. I understand that a lot of investors like to work that way, but it's kind of odd when they just as well could open an account on Coinbase and trensfer it to a Trezor.

hardware devices can fail...

face it hodling isnt easy.

Well, everything is easy when you know what you're doing. I would have thought people who trade in tech were sufficiently proficient. But you're right of course.



847. Post 10659240 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: 79b79aa8d5047da6d3XX on March 04, 2015, 05:58:53 PM
jokes aside, i'm really hoping we can steam pass 300 b4 some bear whale takes a massive dump

at what time was the poll posted yesterday? doubt we'll make it.

anyways, i voted no, where is my lollipop.

No lollipop for you , you jinxed it.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!



848. Post 10659774 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Shorts going up. Ballsy. Hope they can afford to lose some money.



849. Post 10660143 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 04, 2015, 08:17:33 PM

cuz I like the players and you like the game!

omfg we are not doing this....


Had to google it.

You pansies...



850. Post 10661060 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

You bastards!

I was just out for some milk....

That's a lot of coins they dumped there. If this floats up again $300 is gonna be a breeze.



851. Post 10661323 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: marshallplan on March 04, 2015, 10:08:29 PM
Another dump before another break out?

Another dump before another dump.

The real big dump will happen when the US MARSHALS start sending 50k coins to winner bidders

no



852. Post 10667675 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: gkv9 on March 05, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Wow, just saw the Poll asking for $32k BTC in 2017 or not...
It's awesome to see so many people positive on that... Still, not some "To Da Moon" type talks...

When we look 2 years ahead in Bitcoin it could just as well be 200 years. I voted what I wanted to happen, I think most did.



853. Post 10669235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: gkv9 on March 05, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
So how do we know that some whale or whales weren't planning on buying 50K coins or more on the open market and instead are buying them at auction? In other words, How do we know that this sale isn't already priced into the market? It's not like this auction is a surprise or anything.

If it ain't, then why is it still in the talks and making people think they will see some hikes because of this?
Everyone's talking about the roller-coasters, I think we should let them talk and the naked price action will speak soon. Wink

You are true, there's actually nothing surprising as there are exchanges where whales can buy those many coins without just going for an auction and harm their anonymity...

At best there is a small risk reduction after the auction is finished, the fiat paid and everyone is happy. That means, after the completion, sell the news. But sell what? Bitcoin or dollars?


Anyone putting up this kind of capital is a serious invester.  No one is going to buy these and dump them right away.

Then, what makes the price start falling freely during the so-called Auction days? Anyways, I think this one's the last, and so expecting something very much unexpected.

Shrewd dumpers and bad nerves



854. Post 10678460 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: Tzupy on March 06, 2015, 08:39:25 AM
I am really disappointed by the bulls, couldn't you pump a bit more, did you already run out of steam?
I shorted the top of the pump at 284$ yesterday but had to go to sleep and closed my short way to early.

The Tzupy indicator is still bearish. Tarmi is on the fence, and carebear shroomie has left altogether. Something to watch out for.



855. Post 10679113 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.02h):

Quote from: calme on March 06, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub
But Mercs, Porshes and Ferraris will be a lot cheaper now. As long as you buy more of them, Im sure Europeans wont mind too much!!
There you go. I'm pretty sure you've just solved the ongoing Greek economic crisis! Just have Italy and Germany tell Greece that they can choose to be either a province of Italy or a state of Germany. Then when ppl buy Italian sports cars or German luxury cars w/ their BTC profits, it will help their nation. So which is it, Greeks, will you be Italians now or will you become German? If you're bullish enough on BTC, I think you better learn to cook a mean lasagna!

Feta will be cheaper too



856. Post 10691323 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: oda.krell on March 07, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Sometimes I really wonder if theymos was paid by somebody for closing - and keeping closed - newbie jail...

I mean, I and many others repeatedly asked to re-open the "probation period" so that, at the very least, the number of utterly useless new troll accounts is *limited*, even if it doesn't get rid of the problem entirely.

Mods respond to that request by "only theymos can change that", and he seems unwilling to do so. Really beyond me why he feels that way, which is leading me to come up with paranoid theories (see first line) Cheesy

yes, people often raise questions about theymos collecting donations, closing newbie jail, letting run obvious scams and ponzi securities threads open...

but guess what libertards...that's free market of yours.

Right. Because it's one of the defining features of places run by "libertards" that they're dens of corruption, scams, etc., while in the rest of the world, those qualities are mercifully absent.

The world must be a wonderful place if you conceptually dumb it down enough to fit into a simplistic scheme.  Also, allows you to avoid coming up with better answers to questions posed.


Do we even know what "libertards" means? I want to knock it but I don't know where to start.



857. Post 10712551 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: noobtrader on March 09, 2015, 01:35:02 PM
i think the price will stay 275-285 for few month...



That's the only thing we know won't happen



858. Post 10716040 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: kaykawa on March 09, 2015, 07:21:30 PM


China's buying power illustrates the triumph of Communism over Capitalism.
 Kiss

... in unregulated markets???

Yeah, they really got that communism thingy nailed down



859. Post 10716267 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

If the other exchanges don't follow finex soon then this is going to go down quite rapidly.



860. Post 10716349 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: HalFinneysBrain on March 09, 2015, 08:15:36 PM
295 on Finex.
Where are all the pictures of trains?

No bears to piss off



861. Post 10716651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Someone should call this dude:



        Super Draper



862. Post 10717829 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

I might have missed a beat here but I don't see any trolls or bears, not even Tarmi. It's scary.



863. Post 10725613 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

BOOM!!!


$300!!!



864. Post 10725781 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: Brewins on March 10, 2015, 03:06:35 PM
finex touched 300

finex punched a hole in that mofo



865. Post 10726406 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Peoples reluctance to keep cash on stamp seems to keep this train from flying off the rails.



866. Post 10726445 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on March 10, 2015, 03:59:49 PM
Put in some low bids around 291. Who the hell knows if we see $300 or $290 next, in fact we could have both within the hour the way things are going.

lol, that's bitcoin for ya.



867. Post 10727222 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: Brewins on March 10, 2015, 04:22:27 PM
Peoples reluctance to keep cash on stamp seems to keep this train from flying off the rails.


right now stamp is nothing(check the volume stats)

But it's almost 6000 to $300 on stamp and just 1360 on finex. So low volume on stamp means low price on stamp. And the price won't let there be more than $10-12 difference between the two for any length of time.



868. Post 10727730 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 10, 2015, 05:11:27 PM
I think stamp is dying..

Or maybe Europe is dying and Stamp is going down with it.

Yes, the great land of Europia is dying.



869. Post 10727825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: dreamspark on March 10, 2015, 05:10:20 PM
Peoples reluctance to keep cash on stamp seems to keep this train from flying off the rails.


right now stamp is nothing(check the volume stats)

But it's almost 6000 to $300 on stamp and just 1360 on finex. So low volume on stamp means low price on stamp. And the price won't let there be more than $10-12 difference between the two for any length of time.

Thats because there is hardly any fiat on Stamp. Its almost as if the market thinks that if they buy coins there and try and withdraw them en mass they may not exist, I wonder why the market might think that  Roll Eyes  Once bitten twice shy, people slowly learn their lessons and don't deal with exchanges that refuse to prove their reserves or even answer any questions about the state of their solvency.

What you're saying sort of goes back to my original post. Bitstamp shouldn't be trailing BTC-E like it has been for much of the day. If the other exchanges leaves stamp behind and nobody dares to do arbitrage then I think we might see stamp implode.



870. Post 10727910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: macsga on March 10, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
I'd be more focused on the EU exchanges at the moment. The EUR/USD seems not a random case. Here's the reason:

http://rt.com/news/238981-putin-signs-brics-bank/

It seems BRICS finally made a move.

Wouldn't want to be in charge of that bank. Just waiting for the first news story on how it funded the development of the villas of the bosses of PetroBras, Gazprom and PetroChina.



871. Post 10729598 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: Loaded on March 10, 2015, 07:30:14 PM
soon.

Anyone who can decipher Yoda here?



872. Post 10730686 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: inca on March 10, 2015, 10:19:35 PM
Bitstamp has fallen to #10 in volume. Seems like bitstamp would buy that wall themselves and sell it later for profits and free up some volume to get some fees flowing in again.

They are about to be passed up by Kraken and local frickin bitcoins in volume lol.

What is a bit strange is that if you or I had bitcoins to sell on stamp we would move the wall higher to get a better price for our sale. That is move the wall up higher as the market lifted the other exchange prices. The persistent existence of lower prices on stamp suggests to me that there is no money on the exchange to arb the coins on sale there. There may be no genuine buyers or sellers left.

If there's truly nothing wrong with stamp someone could make a little fortune on arbitrage if the other exchanges pull away.



873. Post 10730912 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: empowering on March 10, 2015, 10:40:07 PM
all I can see are some frustrate bulls not being able to reach 320 and close their longs on some suckers.

I am cool.




all I can see are some frustated bears not being able to reach any closer to 200 and get some cheap coins on some suckers.

I am cool


well, we can still hit 360 and then go into 100 territory, so I wouldnt be so cocky if I were bull.

and volume means shit. we all know that from china exchanges. you bullshave noticed that even china is following bitsatmp.  any explanation?  Undecided

Why are you here Tarmi? just out of interest?  Are you here shorting and waiting for BTC to hit $100 and then $50 and then $0?


He is mining, hodling, and being a douche. Annoying bitcoiners is like making teenagers depressed. Real easy.



874. Post 10730961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: oda.krell on March 10, 2015, 10:43:43 PM
all I can see are some frustrate bulls not being able to reach 320 and close their longs on some suckers.

I am cool.




all I can see are some frustated bears not being able to reach any closer to 200 and get some cheap coins on some suckers.

I am cool


well, we can still hit 360 and then go into 100 territory, so I wouldnt be so cocky if I were bull.

and volume means shit. we all know that from china exchanges. you bullshave noticed that even china is following bitsatmp.  any explanation?  Undecided

You know the reason. The one I've been regurgitating over and over like a broken record*... all other things being equal, non leveraged non-zero fee volume has more impact than leveraged zero fee volume.

Doesn't mean Finex or Chinese volume doesn't matter, obviously not. But it means, Finex matters despite OKC's or BTCChina's volume being higher by a factor of 2 or 3, and even Bitstamp matters, despite volume being 1/10 of the big Chinese exchanges.

"Matters", for a brief moment, that is. Don't think it'll change the course, just delay the arrival a bit Tongue



* Yes, I like my metaphors mixed, not stirred Cheesy

Yes, it's real simple. With zero fees bots can trade the same coins hundreds and thousands of times a day to extract fractions of a dollar each time. They make money and the volume is "real", but it says little about the amount of coins on the exchange. People just need to use their heads.



875. Post 10731314 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 10, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
What's the general consensus on the next move?

Up
Down
Sideways


HuhHuh??

Sidewaysish until exchanges get more fiat, then up.



876. Post 10731562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on March 10, 2015, 11:54:34 PM
People are opening longs at 0.75% a day FFS! The entire USD Long end has been wiped...

Last time this happened, the price dropped 30% the 30 days following the spike. Obviously, this isn't reason to believe it will happen again in that same way, but it is a possible warning sign.

Is all the USD in long positions or simply reserved?
Dont know.. probably reserved now that you mention it.

Thought finex had started publishing whether they were just reserved or not.



877. Post 10734281 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: 12345mm on March 11, 2015, 05:12:20 AM
I heard there was a company that cooked its books in 1936. Stock Market is fucked.

I hear that for the first 6 out of 7 years of bitcoin's history there was only 1 exchange which for the first 4 years was the only exchange in existence for bitcoin and next couple years was by far the highest volume exchange which cooked it's books from pennies to $1200 in value per bitcoin then stole give or take 10% of the total "monetary supply" as soon as other exchanges were founded where they could sell these stolen funds. Bitcoin IS fucked. Thaaaaanks mtgox.



Is this guy for real or just someone I can put on ignore?



878. Post 10734292 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.03h):

Quote from: spooderman on March 11, 2015, 07:49:27 AM
finex has massive buy pressure, but stamp and coin have sell pressure?

I don't understand:|

Someone is exploiting the low amount of fiat on those exchanges to keep the price down?

Edit: not sure about coin though.



879. Post 10734758 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 11, 2015, 09:02:29 AM
you guys really want them crooks spoiling our beautiful technology?

Former SEC Director Admits The Truth: The Market Is Rigged
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-10/former-sec-director-admits-truth-market-rigged

Bitcoin is full of crooks, and it's still going strong.



880. Post 10735056 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Ezmoneyezlife on March 11, 2015, 09:38:06 AM
you guys really want them crooks spoiling our beautiful technology?

Former SEC Director Admits The Truth: The Market Is Rigged
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-10/former-sec-director-admits-truth-market-rigged

True dat. The market is rigged but still we have have to put faith in this rigged market and hope that the people who control the market will sometime makes the price go up so that we can live in peace.
Yep, they will let it go up for real, but only after another incoming rape in this month.
They wont rape anyone this month. The rape will happen in April. The prices will rise a bit till April and will plunge down. Then I predict an upward trend till February 2016.

Youre wrong m8, they will rape market this month before april 7th. Riceeaters follow astrology. First wave of dumpage will happen on friday 13 due to Saturn direction change Smiley
https://www.tradingview.com/v/rAwF6Yz6/

Say what now?   Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked  astrology wtf?

Just look at the chart and wait until friday m8 Smiley

I kept an eye on the latest Friday 13ths and the chinese don't give a f@#%



881. Post 10736160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 11, 2015, 10:01:01 AM

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/FX:EURUSD/

EUR seems to be suffering a horrible death... Undecided

EUR/USD$1.05!!!  Parity inbound!  All you Europeans, Yer-a-peein' on your currency.


It's about time the stuck up ECB did something other than sit on their hands. Now it's the turn of the americans and chinese to buy our artificially under priced goods for a couple of decades.



882. Post 10736223 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 11, 2015, 12:12:13 PM

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/FX:EURUSD/

EUR seems to be suffering a horrible death... Undecided

EUR/USD$1.05!!!  Parity inbound!  All you Europeans, Yer-a-peein' on your currency.


It's about time the stuck up ECB did something other than sit on their hands. Now it's the turn of the americans and chinese to buy our artificially under priced goods for a couple of decades.

Absolutely! Of course you'll let us buy on credit, right? (because that worked out so well with Greece)

You'll have to join the Euro. I would love to see Fox News go apeshit if that happened.



883. Post 10736992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 11, 2015, 01:16:10 PM

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/FX:EURUSD/

EUR seems to be suffering a horrible death... Undecided

EUR/USD$1.05!!!  Parity inbound!  All you Europeans, Yer-a-peein' on your currency.


It's about time the stuck up ECB did something other than sit on their hands. Now it's the turn of the americans and chinese to buy our artificially under priced goods for a couple of decades.

Absolutely! Of course you'll let us buy on credit, right? (because that worked out so well with Greece)

You'll have to join the Euro. I would love to see Fox News go apeshit if that happened.

You can't even get Sweden, Switzerland, the UK or Iceland to join, so why the hell would we? Eurodollars are effectively loans we take out and never have to pay back, so no thanks.  We may not be able to export much anymore, but we can and do export inflation  Grin



We'll get you somehow.



884. Post 10738100 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: 600watt on March 11, 2015, 02:04:20 PM

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/FX:EURUSD/

EUR seems to be suffering a horrible death... Undecided

EUR/USD$1.05!!!  Parity inbound!  All you Europeans, Yer-a-peein' on your currency.


It's about time the stuck up ECB did something other than sit on their hands. Now it's the turn of the americans and chinese to buy our artificially under priced goods for a couple of decades.

Absolutely! Of course you'll let us buy on credit, right? (because that worked out so well with Greece)



german wsj headlines (!) that bitcoin is last chance/resort for greece:


the eye opener is that bitcoin is even seen as something capable of "rescuing" an entire economy. 2013 some of us feared btc will become blatantly outlawed. 18 months later such headlines...


edit: typo


The very fact that someone in that business dares to write something like that tells us a bit about what the future holds for Bitcoin.



885. Post 10738517 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

If we've climbed from 220 to 300 in a month when everyone is fairly beaten up and fairly sober; where will mindless enthusiasm bring us when that returns?



886. Post 10738604 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on March 11, 2015, 03:43:26 PM
Say what you will about the woman behind it, but this is big news (was already out hours ago).

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-j-p-morgan-cds-pioneer-blythe-masters-to-head-bitcoin-trading-platform-1426048878

the positive news flow for bitcoin lately has been amazing.

Even though 2014 was a dismal year for hodlers, a lot seemed to happen behind the scenes. And in that way it was at least as important as 2013. In 2013 Bitcoin was a freak show, in 2014 it was the future and lots of bright people got involved.



887. Post 10738861 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 11, 2015, 03:48:13 PM
so many pigs...

lay off the fat jokes!



888. Post 10739051 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Wekkel on March 11, 2015, 04:20:08 PM
Not a lot of train pictures though...

Don't worry




889. Post 10739429 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: podyx on March 11, 2015, 05:03:14 PM


finex sure looks keen



890. Post 10739519 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 11, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
pigs gonna get slaughtered soon

I am sure pigs are slaughtered every day. At least there is no shortage of bacon that I am aware of.



891. Post 10745336 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: mcplant on March 12, 2015, 03:30:59 AM
i think we have reached our peak already for this pump. dump time again.

What chart are you watching?!

The chart thats upside down

 Roll Eyes


pwned

A bit premature?



892. Post 10748475 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 12, 2015, 11:40:57 AM
Bulls?

Wazzzzzup?



893. Post 10748509 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: itod on March 12, 2015, 11:45:23 AM


THE BITFINEX $1.2M WALL HAS BEEN REMOVED!

yeah. 280 bid wall down

market buy incoming?

Epic dump incoming...

DON'T DO IT !!!!!!



894. Post 10748592 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Epic dumps are not that epic anymore.



895. Post 10748989 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: soullyG on March 12, 2015, 12:09:09 PM
Will bitcoins be worth $1,000 again this year?

just wait for next halving, its really going to be something..

Can you help me understand why please and not the answer because there will be less coins Smiley That is obvious, the reason i ask is because doge had a halving recently and i have seen nothing but a continuous drop in value so what makes bitcoins halving any different?

Don't get me wrong i would love to see it go to $1,000 so i can buy my house but seems all i can remember is dropping lol although recently has been a nice change...

Price rises because the supply rate drops (therefore making the remaining coins on market more valuable) - the difference between Doge and Bitcoin is that there isn't a cap to the total number of Dogecoins created, whereas Bitcoin will only ever have a max of 21m coins (unless the protocol changes).

+ Bitcoin is, despite appearances, more mature and have a better ecosystem. Dogecoin had a lot of community support for a while, but it lost a lot of steam. So a halving now just means less of a reason for people bother with it.



896. Post 10750626 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):



Thread retarded again, shit's gonna happen..



897. Post 10750859 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: criptix on March 12, 2015, 03:38:26 PM

Thread retarded again, shit's gonna happen..

smelling incoming pump  Grin

btw. tbh thinking deeper about it, satoshifanclub is kinda right and i took it a step further:

what would happen if tommorow an asteroid hits the earth and kills nearly everything on earth?

no bitcoins, no millionairs and we wouldnt even need community consensus for that to happen....?  Cry

He is right in that it is technically possible, but he underestimates the obstacles to this happening. However, I can imagine a time in the future where the ruling consensus is that Bitcoin needs to start the printing press again because it has grown too big for its 21 million and many decimal points.  But by then Bitcoin has taken off big time and we'll all be dead or millionaires/billionaires.



898. Post 10751026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Roccker on March 12, 2015, 03:58:15 PM


What is happening Smiley
Did i miss some good news?

A few weeks ago it was like 'it will go down to 120!'

Bitcoin hit rock bottom and is doing great at AA.



899. Post 10751196 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: empowering on March 12, 2015, 04:07:20 PM

Thread retarded again, shit's gonna happen..

smelling incoming pump  Grin

btw. tbh thinking deeper about it, satoshifanclub is kinda right and i took it a step further:

what would happen if tommorow an asteroid hits the earth and kills nearly everything on earth?

no bitcoins, no millionairs and we wouldnt even need community consensus for that to happen....?  Cry

He is right in that it is technically possible,  but he underestimates the obstacles to this happening. However, I can imagine a time in the future where the ruling consensus is that Bitcoin needs to start the printing press again because it has grown too big for its 21 million and many decimal points.  But by then Bitcoin has taken off big time and we'll all be dead or millionaires/billionaires.

Of course he is right on a technical level, (I was just busting his balls and ignoring his point on purpose, because he ignores the point it is not practical in reality) but if this change was to be made, then all that would have to be decided, is what the new name for the new coins would be.

Also I can not see why would it ever need to be done? it would surely only be a psychological thing would it not? it is akin to share dilution

What would the difference be between

21 million coins at $1 dollar each

and 42 million coins at 50 cents each?


What would the difference be of a market cap of  $21,000,000 and  21 million BTC  being valued at $1 each and a $21,000,000 market cap with 42, million coins being worth $0.50 each ? What difference would there be in purchasing power ?

If there is a need for "twice as many coins" then what would be the difference between  increasing coin supply by x2 and the value of the BTC from doubling?

Say the protocol was changed, and it was decided that there would be x2 more coins from this friday, do you think 2 the money in the system would flow in, or do you think that the assumed value/purchasing power would be cut in half ?

I can see no good, practical reason raise the amount of coins, say population of planet earth doubles in next 25 years, and everyone uses BTC, then there would not be a shortage, the purchasing power and value of each satoshi would just be valued as more.

The only reason would be a psychological.





 


Why would you ever need more?

I agree, it would become something else. It would no longer be anti-inflationary. But if it becomes an integrated part of the world economy to such an extent that governments start seeing it as their god given right to fiddle with it, they might decide to introduce inflation as most central banks today would in a strongly deflationary economy. A "healthy" inflation today is considered to be in the 2-3% range. If inflation goes into minus territory this could have as negative consequences for the economy long term as a strongly inflationary economy. I am not saying that it will happen, just that it's a scenario I can sort of imagine happen in the very very long term.



900. Post 10751609 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: empowering on March 12, 2015, 04:48:30 PM


I agree, it would become something else. It would no longer be anti-inflationary. But if it becomes an integrated part of the world economy to such an extent that governments start seeing it as their god given right to fiddle with it, they might decide to introduce inflation as most central banks today would in a strongly deflationary economy. A "healthy" inflation today is considered to be in the 2-3% range. If inflation goes into minus territory this could have as negative consequences for the economy long term as a strongly inflationary economy. I am not saying that it will happen, just that it's a scenario I can sort of imagine happen in the very very long term.

Fair play.

What do you consider to be a long time? say 50 years?

Slightly OT here I guess but I think that actually in 50 years time, when this technological revolution has really got its boots on, then the financial system, and the nature of work and value, and debt and inflation and deflation, are going to have to have changed considerably? I do wonder about that, and how the existing financial system, BTC included, and society in general will have to adapt.

Just one example of the quandry, in 50 years time, it looks as if people will be able to become immortal in various forms.. one of which would be to live in totally virtual environments once your body has faded away, assuming this is possible and does become a reality ,  where does work and money and finance fit in then? and..... who pays for the hardware?

Without even going to that extreme, I wonder what life expectancy will be in 2065? I also wonder what the state of AI and automation, and nanotechnology will be, and if we will be resource rich? how are all these things going to pan out?

Sounds odd, but it is rushing towards humanity like a maglev in a vacume tube.



 

50-100 years at least. I am not sure if you're jerking my chain, but if you are trying to say that predicting how society will arrange itself so far in the future, then I agree.



901. Post 10753393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: podyx on March 12, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
I think we could see sideways going down slowly to about $270 before we contionue up

We could still stay in the 290 range for a couple of days without any drama. The buying pressure is strong. The walls are dwindling. We just need to linger a bit before we float up.



902. Post 10754298 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

This is looking good. Price is hovering above 295 and the WO crowd are behaving like drunk children.




Edit: God, that's an annoying gif



903. Post 10754472 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: empowering on March 12, 2015, 09:00:35 PM


 Smiley

Auf wiedersehen


Let me find a kraut rocket for you




904. Post 10754491 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: empowering on March 12, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
The arguing in this thread is getting embarrassing.

Yeah sorry about that everyone.

Been one of those days.

If you want to knock someones teeth out the WO thread is always there for you.



905. Post 10754497 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: empowering on March 12, 2015, 09:07:52 PM


 Smiley

Auf wiedersehen


Let me find a kraut rocket for you



I am not german, but hey thanks.

crap



906. Post 10754798 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: bad trader on March 12, 2015, 09:34:58 PM
It looks like we might be staying in the channel for now.



Oh, wow! We just dropped a bit.

400 coin dump on finex= down $1 for 5 min




907. Post 10754935 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on March 12, 2015, 09:42:25 PM
I do not like the IBM news, and have gone into capital preservation mode by closing my long for now. I'll wait to see if the market can shake this off:  I believe IBM not using bitcoin will be construed as a negative, or at least an excuse to take profits.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-bitcoin-ibm-idUSKBN0M82KB20150312

Edit: one post up, worst. gif. ever.  Cheesy


Just looks like a faster way for americans to get their dollars on an exchange to buy some bitcoin.



908. Post 10754986 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: atlosas on March 12, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
I don't want to sound pessimistic but bitcoin failed to push through resistance 4th time. This indicates it might retrace back a bit or if 280s fail we might see a long squeeze and quite a drop.

Resistance is certainly building up at finex. Over 2000 to $296. But lately, pushing down the BTC price has been like trying to keep a ball under water.



909. Post 10755213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: paul2000 on March 12, 2015, 10:01:39 PM
I do not like the IBM news, and have gone into capital preservation mode by closing my long for now. I'll wait to see if the market can shake this off:  I believe IBM not using bitcoin will be construed as a negative, or at least an excuse to take profits.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-bitcoin-ibm-idUSKBN0M82KB20150312

Edit: one post up, worst. gif. ever.  Cheesy


"Unlike bitcoin, where the network is decentralized and there is no overseer, the proposed digital currency system would be controlled by central banks, the source said."

Biggest facepalm ever, because decentralization is the #1 property that makes Bitcoin what it is. Truth is they have not the slightest idea how Bitcoin and the blockchain works, but they think it's cool and want to build their own, LOL. Another thing is strong network effects for a secure blockchain, that's what these dumbtarts will never understand.

It's not clear how they will do this. If it's a centralized system it makes more sense to use PoS, other than that I don't really see why this should be done with blockchain technology at all. I see they want the wallets to come with the ledger, but if it's anything like the Bitcoin ledger they will have to release a light client fairly quickly and who's going to run a full client for IBM and the US government? I've got the feeling that they will just end up with a traditional centralized ledger stored on regular data centers and drop the blockchain component altogether as all the advantages of the blockchain is strongly linked to mining and decentralization.



910. Post 10755397 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 12, 2015, 10:34:34 PM
any currency is by definition centralized.

they are talking about decentralized network and blockchain that will use USD and will be used by banks.
Yes, and....?



911. Post 10758119 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: mcplant on March 13, 2015, 04:01:20 AM
the only opinion i have right now is we will be seeing the 80's before next pump

As in Steve Guttenberg?



912. Post 10758171 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on March 13, 2015, 06:21:39 AM
Weak ass bears committing trading suicide.

Don't sell me your coins, because I won't be giving them back  Cool

I think they can buy them at exchanges nowadays, and they are 100% identical.



913. Post 10758231 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on March 13, 2015, 06:50:47 AM
This week, the desperate little guy has been buying, while the big traders are just holding back and waiting for the inevitable drop.
These little attempts to break 300 were as weak as they come. You could almost hear the huffing and puffing of bartenders and cab drivers around the world, who are trying to lift something that is clearly heavier then they can handle.
Maybe a white knight will arrive in the nick of time, and will start buying up all those coins needed to overcome 300$? Who knows.. I highly doubt that it will happen though.



Pretty poetic post, but I must agree with Yoda. Cuz bitcoin. Tongue

Good morning Gentlemen!

Yoda is a shill. If I would have listened to Yoda, then I wouldn't have sold my bitcoins at over 1000$ and I wouldn't have won more money throughout 2014 by playing with alts, all while the true believers were on their sinking ship.

This is why I love this thread.



914. Post 10758462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Finally some movement and all I hear is crickets?!?



915. Post 10758485 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on March 13, 2015, 07:33:42 AM
Eagerly awaiting return of the trollbears and people calling an end to the rally, back to 250, etc.

Almost 17k coins on finex for a $7 drop. It's expensive to be a bear nowadays.



916. Post 10758498 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on March 13, 2015, 07:34:36 AM
LOL

Just got back from the bar and I see I missed Dumpageddon.

OMG we just fell $6-7 all the way down past $290. It must be the end of Bitcoin. The dead cat pump is done and the normal bear market has taken over for good.

Faiiiiling and Trollchop were right all along. Sell now before it hits single digits or worse. Buy altcoins. Apple stock. Euros. Zimbabwean dollars. Anything except shitcoins.

 Roll Eyes



No man! There is this new thing called Dogecoin, it's sooo cool. Cause it's based on a meme. Cause it's ironic! You know. Imagine buying scarves and super skinny jeans with Dogecoins man!!!



917. Post 10758512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: camolist on March 13, 2015, 07:39:31 AM
semi interesting to me at least

this volume and movement has barely moved the USD or BTC margin swap market

Sure it's not just a delay in the api?



918. Post 10758566 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: camolist on March 13, 2015, 07:43:59 AM
Sure it's not just a delay in the api?
im going by bitfinex.com itself which is up to date

https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/stats

and the market page itself (listing rates and amounts - you need to be logged in to see)

not by the chart websites

Ok, that is weird.



919. Post 10758676 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Sort of looks like someone just reloaded their guns



920. Post 10758980 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 13, 2015, 08:55:03 AM
A 7 USD drop.
OMG it's the end of the world Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

The 50min silence on WO thread was more scary than the micro-crash.



921. Post 10759547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 13, 2015, 09:56:39 AM
This might be a tiny drop for chart noobs but this is serious, new low.
1700-50 very possible next 1-3d.
Maybe start of good correction.
I wouldn't go long now.Smiley




There are no chartnoobs, they are all experts. And if you superimpose their charts you get something like this:



But please go ahead, make your case.



922. Post 10759668 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 13, 2015, 10:40:38 AM
Based on my time here roughly 99% of people posting charts have literally no idea what they are doing & it's more often than not just what they want to happen.
They then go ahead & make a bull shit chart to try & convince themselves it'll happen.
+1



923. Post 10759855 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Cassius on March 13, 2015, 10:52:56 AM
Based on my time here roughly 99% of people posting charts have literally no idea what they are doing & it's more often than not just what they want to happen.
They then go ahead & make a bull shit chart to try & convince themselves it'll happen.

Who are the successful/professional traders here?
I'd like to interview a few for a series. Obviously 'I once made $100 in a bubble' doesn't count.
dannyspk



924. Post 10760014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 13, 2015, 11:22:04 AM
the only opinion i have right now is we will be seeing the 80's before next pump

*looks at post history*


we are going to 229-230 before we go up again. you heard it from mcplant first


what a surprise. have not seen 230 since then and id say 295 is up?

Wow. 2 hours later its 286...  

Brainfart: I remember that post and I genuinely thought he meant double digits. Not 280s.



925. Post 10760191 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 13, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
the only opinion i have right now is we will be seeing the 80's before next pump

*looks at post history*


we are going to 229-230 before we go up again. you heard it from mcplant first


what a surprise. have not seen 230 since then and id say 295 is up?

Wow. 2 hours later its 286...   

Brainfart: I remember that post and I genuinely thought he meant double digits. Not 280s.

Could have been worse, the '80s...  Big hair, legwarmers and Rick Astley   Grin




Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 13, 2015, 06:33:07 AM
the only opinion i have right now is we will be seeing the 80's before next pump

As in Steve Guttenberg?



926. Post 10762416 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Have they disabled right click on this site?



927. Post 10762910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: octaft on March 13, 2015, 03:47:19 PM
Over time, she earned my respect- something you have still yet to do yourself.

Thank god for that. I would be embarrassed to have a moron like you respect me.

I think I have noticed something. You really hate BJA.



928. Post 10763113 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 13, 2015, 04:56:30 PM
I like the volume that came in when breaking below 290, feels like some stop loss was triggered and poeple Immediately bought the resulting coins.



now volume is winding down, and we appear to want to be going higher already. in the next 24-48hours I predict we'll be breaking up, popping over 295 resistance, knocking on 300 once or twice with 295 as support, and BAM high volume buys drive price to 310-320 maybe even seeing a second leg to 350.

I'm ok with that



929. Post 10764649 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: aminorex on March 13, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Im giving up in beliving bears - there wont be sub 200 coming.
never again Undecided Cry

Maybe not, but my monkey thinks 250 in a week or so.  Then 380 in April.

The monkey ain't for thinking, it's for spanking.



930. Post 10764657 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: criptix on March 13, 2015, 08:04:12 PM
Im giving up in beliving bears - there wont be sub 200 coming.
never again Undecided Cry



No shit, Sherlock



931. Post 10764695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

It will be interesting to see how this looks tomorrow. Asks are piling up quite heavily on finex.



932. Post 10764727 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on March 13, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
Amazing how a 1% drop after double digit gains and the shits come out the wood work again Smiley
Amazing how double digit gains after triple digit losses brings back the bulltards Wink

Inca never left. Inca is probably the sole valiant warrior responsible for 2015 The Year of The Bull. It's not trolling, it's troll slaying.



933. Post 10764758 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 13, 2015, 08:21:54 PM
Amazing how a 1% drop after double digit gains and the shits come out the wood work again Smiley
Amazing how double digit gains after triple digit losses brings back the bulltards Wink

Triple digit losses...

lol



934. Post 10765764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: podyx on March 13, 2015, 10:14:37 PM

The buy vs sell in the last 2 hours on the right hand side will tell you that the trend has moved. Does not take much buy volume to keep prices from dropping despite the larger sell volume for the last 6 hours.

On the left you can find the 4 Hour volume.

5:53PM EST



Ah, I don't know how to read those charts... Thought it was bids and asks on each exchange

At the risk of sounding like a sexist asshole: all I see is a bunch of pussies.



935. Post 10766765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 14, 2015, 12:41:30 AM



Sry mate, it's 14.3.15.

Close, but no sigar.



936. Post 10767157 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Long swaps are not going down, I'm going to bed. Will be interesting to see what price I wake up to.



937. Post 10769220 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Feri22 on March 14, 2015, 09:24:03 AM
what do you guys think loaded meant with the post if we are ready for the weekend?  Wink

So i guess Loaded meant that he will fuck the price up  over the weekend Wink

Or that something always happens at the weekend and loaded is full of shit.



938. Post 10769981 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on March 14, 2015, 11:25:13 AM
When the blue/yellow lines cross, prepare for another nose dive...



Just like the time before it happened on that chart?

Uptrend has been broken.

How? Why?



939. Post 10770008 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 14, 2015, 11:32:56 AM
Exactly. Real support is 1700 for me and then probably head and shoulders pattern with right arm to 1800.
But probably bearish formation in this case:/

I don't see the real rebound from 1760-70 level. I'll hold my short @296$ longer.
If price will drop below 1600cny, situation is really bad (I don't think we'll reach 1600 but who knows).

Anyway, good luck to all!

Btw.
I have no fucking idea who's opening longs now from actual price level (without real support imo), but people like gambling lol.

If I were you I would be watching the price like a hawk from this evening CET until monday morning CET. This may still blow up in either direction.

Edit: Those exuberant longs should be a worry for anyone going short as well.



940. Post 10776844 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 15, 2015, 02:44:14 AM
stubborn realistic bulls.

22 mil of usd swaps opened.

ftfy


we will see about them being realistic once bears really start their attack.

I think bulls panic the best and the last.

The only thing I've ever agreed with you about, is the fact that the powers that be will want to squeeze longs eventually. BUT the fact the we had a great capitulation at $160, then a month of sideways action, then 3 weeks now of upwards grind, the best scenario would be to continue up and create even more confidence. This would squeeze most of the shorts out, and create even more longs (during this time I would loan out my USD at a high rate to gain a few %). While the shorts close out as we move up, I would start borrowing coins for extremely cheap rates, but not sell them just yet. The masses will gain confidence and help propel the price and USD rates up. Once we get to high 300s I would drop the hammer, and take most by surprise. I would sell all those coins I borrowed and eat up all the closing longs on the way down. For now, the problem is most of the longs opened were opened under and close to 200, so to close them out we would need to create a lower low, which isn't cheap. Whales have much less to gain now by dumping and squeezing longs, than to move up more and do it later.

The fact that we still have bears around here running their mouths means we are not ready yet for a drop. Once the bears go completely silent... Watch Out!!!



confidence that we will break 300 easily -   ✓

8 mil of new longs opened -   ✓

plenty of cheap coins to borrow -   ✓

bulls thinking that we already had capitulation -  ✓

no cheap dolla' / dolla' going ballistic -  ✓

somebody already hammering the order book -   ✓

Good luck dude!

Tarmi you dawg! You know we're going up. Why won't you celebrate with us?



941. Post 10779261 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: inca on March 15, 2015, 11:22:57 AM
Bears just waiting for someone to sell. Long swaps at 0.1% interest is high, but that is only the last few days of swap total.

The order books look better matched than they have for weeks.

One big buy and the bearish sentiment will evaporate in a  puff of smoke. Like most of the leveraged bears did the last month.

The "bearish sentiment" is solely connected to the imagined barrier of $300. If you look at 1d charts we are still just moving up the stairway to heaven.

Edit: So by wednesday we should be past $300.



942. Post 10780986 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 15, 2015, 01:17:53 PM
stubborn realistic bulls.

22 mil of usd swaps opened.

ftfy


we will see about them being realistic once bears really start their attack.

I think bulls panic the best and the last.

The only thing I've ever agreed with you about, is the fact that the powers that be will want to squeeze longs eventually. BUT the fact the we had a great capitulation at $160, then a month of sideways action, then 3 weeks now of upwards grind, the best scenario would be to continue up and create even more confidence. This would squeeze most of the shorts out, and create even more longs (during this time I would loan out my USD at a high rate to gain a few %). While the shorts close out as we move up, I would start borrowing coins for extremely cheap rates, but not sell them just yet. The masses will gain confidence and help propel the price and USD rates up. Once we get to high 300s I would drop the hammer, and take most by surprise. I would sell all those coins I borrowed and eat up all the closing longs on the way down. For now, the problem is most of the longs opened were opened under and close to 200, so to close them out we would need to create a lower low, which isn't cheap. Whales have much less to gain now by dumping and squeezing longs, than to move up more and do it later.

The fact that we still have bears around here running their mouths means we are not ready yet for a drop. Once the bears go completely silent... Watch Out!!!



confidence that we will break 300 easily -   ✓

8 mil of new longs opened -   ✓

plenty of cheap coins to borrow -   ✓

bulls thinking that we already had capitulation -  ✓

no cheap dolla' / dolla' going ballistic -  ✓

somebody already hammering the order book -   ✓

Good luck dude!

Tarmi you dawg! You know we're going up. Why won't you celebrate with us?


as time goes by I am more and more convinced that the party is already over and that this was an epic bull trap.

You used to be so mellow, do you miss NLC?



943. Post 10790001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

I am looking forward to the launch of Ethereum and I am trying to keep an eye on the development process. Doing so makes me appreciate how far Bitcoin has come, and how much it takes to get something like a cryptocurrency to work at all, let alone get someone to adopt it.

The Ethereum team has something called the Bug Bounty System which is a way to engage people to hunt down bugs.

One of the bugs they found were "Jonas Nick‘s discovery that you could send a negative payment to somebody which moves value from their account to yours!"
(https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/03/12/getting-to-the-frontier/#comment-1903578114)

And this was scheduled to be released the 20th of March.



944. Post 10795901 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: Norway on March 16, 2015, 11:12:46 PM

I know, and I think it's old news. But to be just as serious and frank as I'm drunk: Coindesk is a paradise when it comes to independent reporting. Their founder & owner is heavy invested in BTC. I really liked their report on the rumour that some IS people (called terrorists) said bitcoin is good for our strategy. PS. I am against IS great ambitions of making a global Khalifat. But I also see the similarities in Norway when Nazies rolled in to control my country.

I think Coindesk is the most unbiased, professional and independent news outlet about bitcoin today. Even with the owner (Who obviously understands how media should work).



Holy shit. You really are drunk as a lord. My colon is a more reputable source of crypo currency news. Coindesk looks shiny on the surface but a bad smell descends the closer you look, even worse than my colon.
Yes, I'm probably more drunk than you will ever be, looser.
Tell me, which one is better than Coindesk? (Reddit is seriously a phorum, it doesn't count)


There's nothing wrong with Coindesk. But half of the people in the Bitcointalk forums wear tinfoil hats and sit next to their gun collection trying to understand the world they live in.

Btw: The word is spelled loser. By misspelling it, it boomerangs on you.



945. Post 10795916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.04h):

Quote from: barbs on March 16, 2015, 11:16:48 PM
alright fair enough but there is little to no content on top of that, i'm just saying they need to structure their thoughts instead of machine gunning and doing a light touch on ACH banking etc etc not really getting into any detail or having structure around what they're talking about

Teleprompters and cue cards are highly underestimated.



946. Post 10796146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Andre# on March 16, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
Yes, I'm probably more drunk than you will ever be, looser.
Btw: The word is spelled loser. By misspelling it, it boomerangs on you.
How cheap to criticize someone on his second or third language. How perfect do you speak yours?

He's norwegian, I'm norwegian. I'm just saying that if you're trying to offend someone you should check your spelling, or it will boomerang on you.

@JimboToronto I didn't think of that, perhaps I should be looking out for boomerangs.



947. Post 10796214 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 17, 2015, 12:02:48 AM

He's norwegian, I'm norwegian. I'm just saying that if you're trying to offend someone you should check your spelling, or it will boomerang on you.

@JimboToronto I didn't think of that, perhaps I should be looking out for boomerangs.


Well, his horrific insult was directed at me. I've been crying and thrashing and shaking ever since he wrote it but I choose to forgive/ not remotely care about the spelling. If I was completely and utterly destroying the life essence of another human being while drunk out of my head in a foreign language I'd probably make the odd blooper too.

I know, it's tough being called a looser. Especially when you've gone to such lengths to remain tight.



948. Post 10796294 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Norway on March 17, 2015, 12:07:45 AM

I know, and I think it's old news. But to be just as serious and frank as I'm drunk: Coindesk is a paradise when it comes to independent reporting. Their founder & owner is heavy invested in BTC. I really liked their report on the rumour that some IS people (called terrorists) said bitcoin is good for our strategy. PS. I am against IS great ambitions of making a global Khalifat. But I also see the similarities in Norway when Nazies rolled in to control my country.

I think Coindesk is the most unbiased, professional and independent news outlet about bitcoin today. Even with the owner (Who obviously understands how media should work).



Holy shit. You really are drunk as a lord. My colon is a more reputable source of crypo currency news. Coindesk looks shiny on the surface but a bad smell descends the closer you look, even worse than my colon.
Yes, I'm probably more drunk than you will ever be, looser.
Tell me, which one is better than Coindesk? (Reddit is seriously a phorum, it doesn't count)


There's nothing wrong with Coindesk. But half of the people in the Bitcointalk forums wear tinfoil hats and sit next to their gun collection trying to understand the world they live in.

Btw: The word is spelled loser. By misspelling it, it boomerangs on you.
Hey Fatman!!! I am sooo drunk now! I thank you for moving my attention to spelling. Actually, I'm not kidding because I have worked as a journalist in Norway for many years.  And correct spelling is important. I will call myself a "loser", not a "looser" in the future. And.... when I think about it... I think you are the guy contacting me on email with your military property trying to get investors for mining in Norway, ha ha! But what do I know? I'm in the market for norwegian bunkers myself! (But not for ASICs, he he). I run the tiny Oslo Bitcoin Meetup organization with only 150+ members. I have a good contact in scandiavias biggest VC company, but that relation can be toilet paper in a second, ha ha. PM if you want more, Ill try to be more constructive, but at the same time, your business model has to be better.

Ah, you are a journalist. That explains it. Funny, you didn't mention the VC company when I asked you, but now that you're in a drunken rage you're Mr.Connections. However, nobody's interested in my 12500m2 former NATO base in the friggin arctic anyway, and I'm done with begging. It will take longer to do it alone, but if that's how it's done then so be it.



949. Post 10796745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Norway on March 17, 2015, 12:34:50 AM

I know, and I think it's old news. But to be just as serious and frank as I'm drunk: Coindesk is a paradise when it comes to independent reporting. Their founder & owner is heavy invested in BTC. I really liked their report on the rumour that some IS people (called terrorists) said bitcoin is good for our strategy. PS. I am against IS great ambitions of making a global Khalifat. But I also see the similarities in Norway when Nazies rolled in to control my country.

I think Coindesk is the most unbiased, professional and independent news outlet about bitcoin today. Even with the owner (Who obviously understands how media should work).



Holy shit. You really are drunk as a lord. My colon is a more reputable source of crypo currency news. Coindesk looks shiny on the surface but a bad smell descends the closer you look, even worse than my colon.
Yes, I'm probably more drunk than you will ever be, looser.
Tell me, which one is better than Coindesk? (Reddit is seriously a phorum, it doesn't count)


There's nothing wrong with Coindesk. But half of the people in the Bitcointalk forums wear tinfoil hats and sit next to their gun collection trying to understand the world they live in.

Btw: The word is spelled loser. By misspelling it, it boomerangs on you.
Hey Fatman!!! I am sooo drunk now! I thank you for moving my attention to spelling. Actually, I'm not kidding because I have worked as a journalist in Norway for many years.  And correct spelling is important. I will call myself a "loser", not a "looser" in the future. And.... when I think about it... I think you are the guy contacting me on email with your military property trying to get investors for mining in Norway, ha ha! But what do I know? I'm in the market for norwegian bunkers myself! (But not for ASICs, he he). I run the tiny Oslo Bitcoin Meetup organization with only 150+ members. I have a good contact in scandiavias biggest VC company, but that relation can be toilet paper in a second, ha ha. PM if you want more, Ill try to be more constructive, but at the same time, your business model has to be better.

Ah, you are a journalist. That explains it. Funny, you didn't mention the VC company when I asked you, but now that you're in a drunken rage you're Mr.Connections. However, nobody's interested in my 12500m2 former NATO base in the friggin arctic anyway, and I'm done with begging. It will take longer to do it alone, but if that's how it's done then so be it.
Good! It was YOU! I don't have any connections. But I have a semi connection (Tellef).
Seriously, nobody cares about the squaremeters of your facility. It's all about the electricity bill. And no, I'm not journalist now, he he  Cheesy


But if the electricity bill is OK then you'll need somewhere to put the miners. You could either build a 20 million dollar facility yourself or you could put down 100k with me.




950. Post 10797149 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: coinableS on March 17, 2015, 02:09:27 AM
Short term looks like a good time to short, but buy back quick as I expect we'll be moving back up. The last time the 1D EMA/SMA lines made this pattern was July/August 2013.

Yep, the price moved like clockwork. $100, $110, $120 until it took off like chinese firecrackers. Now that people have the ability to short more easily, I doubt it will take off like that again. But a short sprint should be possible.



951. Post 10803529 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

I see the tldr troll is back.  Guess confidence is growing among bears.



952. Post 10803572 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 17, 2015, 05:52:29 PM
I wouldnt bet on the next halving.

I think that the next halving will cut the miners in half and bring more centralization, not bigger prices.

also, this isnt about bears, but delusional bulls who think that we have capitulated. they are cutting their expensive longs right now.

bears are in hibernation and waiting patiently.

Miners have been cut in half already. If the price rises before the halving you will see the landscape change even more. it's quite a dynamic industry. But I don't see how that will change the fact that the halving will reduce the number of new bitcoins on the market. Could you elaborate?



953. Post 10803668 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 17, 2015, 06:05:53 PM
Everything point towards the dump. Probably into the 250$ range once again, sigh.

I don't see it this way. The news in the bitcoin world are positive and promising. There's also a decent amount of confidence in the price since we broke the downtrend.


But we have arguably had  the best news for bitcoin in the last few weeks, and thankfully few new scams ( no mega scam anyway, but they are still brewing) yet the price is still stagnant, moving only in a vague pump and dump cycle every few days.

We've had a massive ddos on mining pools for over a week now. A serious attack on the system. Not the most newsworthy of events, but it could influence buyers. That been said, the rise has progressed well. We're not late for anything.



954. Post 10804327 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 17, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
a small rebound because some shorts are covering...

we bounced back down from weekly sma20 yesterday. I am still short.
Well, it's the width that counts.



955. Post 10805352 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Looks like a rage dump to me



956. Post 10805597 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: michaelGedi on March 17, 2015, 09:35:41 PM


cos that's how we all live our lives, in a perpetual state of social networked paradise...  Roll Eyes

Idk. Looks quite sad. He's texting to himself.



957. Post 10805667 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: michaelGedi on March 17, 2015, 09:40:02 PM
...

Idk. Looks quite sad. He's texting to himself.

at 8:32 in the morning... Awesome!
A sad image of the social media generation. I bet there are no tickets.



958. Post 10805693 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: coinableS on March 17, 2015, 09:48:18 PM
I'm surprised none of the bear trolls have posted this news to try to spin it as the death blow of Bitcoin:

http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/17/facebook-pay/
So "pay" is trending I see.

Apply Pay
Facebook Pay
... what's next?
PayPalPay?
IBM Pay?

BitPay



959. Post 10805931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 17, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
Epic bear trap this.....

That was a lot of dumping for very little gain



960. Post 10809861 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: macsga on March 18, 2015, 09:30:48 AM
A scammer on teh internets just stole 43k BTC ($12 millions), but don't worry, he is not gonna dump!
Bullish!

You mean Coinapult's hot wallet loss? If so, your numbers are a bit off - they say they lost just under 43000 USD worth of BTC, or 150 Bitcoins.

http://www.coindesk.com/coinapult-loses-40k-hot-wallet-compromise/

He means Evo, the second largest dark market.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zf5vd/the_2nd_largest_darknetmarket_evolution_has_run/

This could turn ugly for the guy... Running away with 43K is A LOT of money even at these prices, but not enough to be vanished. Hope he returns the funds... Undecided

I don't understand. Criminals stole from criminals. How is this bad again?



961. Post 10810153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Holy Crap!

BTC-E!



962. Post 10810167 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Someone is trying to induce panic selling



963. Post 10810175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: madonnino on March 18, 2015, 10:23:06 AM
I hope price goes down i need more cheap coins


They're at BTC-E



964. Post 10810265 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Hmmmm.... I wonder what happened to the price when SR1 imploded.



965. Post 10810394 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on March 18, 2015, 10:48:57 AM
A scammer on teh internets just stole 43k BTC ($12 millions), but don't worry, he is not gonna dump!
Bullish!

You mean Coinapult's hot wallet loss? If so, your numbers are a bit off - they say they lost just under 43000 USD worth of BTC, or 150 Bitcoins.

http://www.coindesk.com/coinapult-loses-40k-hot-wallet-compromise/

He means Evo, the second largest dark market.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zf5vd/the_2nd_largest_darknetmarket_evolution_has_run/

This could turn ugly for the guy... Running away with 43K is A LOT of money even at these prices, but not enough to be vanished. Hope he returns the funds... Undecided
They didn't run away with 43k BTC.  That's the total received.  You guys are panicking over a dumbasses misinterpretation of the wallet transaction history.  FFS.
No. He says "eight figure profit".
43k BTC = $12M.

So it's at least 36k BTC minimum.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/darknet-market-evolution-unreachable-funds-stolen/

If they f up they are going to end up as a smudge somewhere.



966. Post 10810970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Andre# on March 18, 2015, 11:51:43 AM
Someone is trying to induce panic selling

Of course. Does anyone truly believe that the Evo-guys would dump their stash the next day on exchanges? That would be  totally stupid. No, these are whales who try to leverage this news to push down the price. They didn't succeed the past month, and this is a very good opportunity to give it another try. But as we can see, the results are disappointing, $15 down only.

If this bounces...



967. Post 10811058 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 18, 2015, 12:09:19 PM
derp bitcorn price 270 again  Angry

We are kings of the world!

lol



968. Post 10813776 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Someone should call this dude:



        Super Draper



969. Post 10813900 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Slight delay due to upgrades




970. Post 10814236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

This is not good...



971. Post 10814297 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: barbs on March 18, 2015, 05:42:51 PM
fuck this shit

im out

Capitulation!

Going all in with USD Cannons!
Please tell me they are huge



972. Post 10814356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: barbs on March 18, 2015, 05:47:53 PM
fuck this shit

im out

Capitulation!

Going all in with USD Cannons!
Please tell me they are huge

I have 294$ in my account  Cool




973. Post 10815141 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 18, 2015, 06:48:02 PM
bulls, please give me another good opportunity to short this.

I promise I will be there for you when you start to panic sell and get margin called.

Don't milk it Tarmi! You know it will turn on you in an instant.



974. Post 10815168 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

I am not sufficiently freaked out about this. I think I might have become immune.



975. Post 10815249 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on March 18, 2015, 07:15:20 PM
As I recall, your original claim was that it would be possible for 'any kid with a laptop' to effectively remove the 21M bitcoin cap.  This is NOT an example of that happening.

After a hard fork, as long as both branches survive, there are twice as many bitcoins around.  If you had 100 BTC before the fork, then after the fork you have 100 "Series A" BTC and 100 "Series B" BTC.  

As I clearly said every time, whether people bother to mine and use each Series is a political and marketing qestion.  There is no technical obstacle to both series of bitcoins surviving and retaining some value (but quite likely their combined total value will be no greater than what the "Series A" were worth before the fork).

At the last hard fork, everyone agreed to abandon the "Series A" bitcoins and use only the "Series B" ones.   If we have another hard fork to increase the block size, some people seem to be willing stay on the "Series A" branch.  I don't know what will happen, but, agan, it will be decided by political processes, not by technical mechanisms.

Do you really not understand that when you say 'series A bitcoin' and 'series B bitcoin', you are really saying 'bitcoin', and 'some altcoin'?

It's true that you will have a free supply of 100 units of the alt coin, which may or may not retain value over time, depending on whether anyone continues to mine it - but you will still only have 100 bitcoins - whichever branch eventually establishes itself as the 'real' bitcoin.



Why do you bother? I don't know if he can qualify as a tldr-troll or just a stubborn idiot, but he won't budge.
And he sort of shows the limitations of other people I respect on this forum.
He's managed to engage people like oda.krell and others in long winded discussions where he is impervious to reason, but manages to make them believe that they are having a real discussion rather than him using them as his soapbox.

It's no use. Let it be.



976. Post 10815292 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: ciappa on March 18, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
20 dollar drop & the trolls are out in force.
Brilliant.

what is the reason for this drop  Huh

Not enough buying pressure so whales had to knock it down a notch.



977. Post 10815396 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 18, 2015, 07:30:05 PM
Bottom's in!

buy Buy BUY!!!


I see your bottoms, and raise you a "blood on the streets" ( or at least flaming german police cars...)



Buy!!

Let's hope they don't take it too far. Germans tend to go overboard when they get all fired up.



978. Post 10815447 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 18, 2015, 07:39:37 PM

Let's hope they don't take it too far. Germans tend to go overboard when they get all fired up.

 Grin Grin  10/10 for diplomacy, dude!

just sayin



979. Post 10815507 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: damiano on March 18, 2015, 07:45:10 PM
I don't think the bottom is quite in yet....It's close, but either way its cheap right now  Grin



I might be oversimplifying here, but the bottom is where people start buying?

I don't see much buying.




980. Post 10815559 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: damiano on March 18, 2015, 07:50:55 PM
I don't think the bottom is quite in yet....It's close, but either way its cheap right now  Grin



I might be oversimplifying here, but the bottom is where people start buying?

I don't see much buying.



When I mean close I mean 254-258

Sorry, I didn't mean to correct you. I just added my thought.



981. Post 10815586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 18, 2015, 07:55:06 PM
we're doomed

You're such a drama queen



982. Post 10816157 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 18, 2015, 08:42:03 PM

Well Said!

The sad truth is that not only does Jorge fail to comprehend how PoW consensus works, but he also fails to understand why Bitcoin is sound money. He has spent a year on here, most of that time totally wasted, including the time of many of us here in this forum who are willing to learn from others.

It really doesn't matter, he's just going to change the subject to another ill-conceived FUD talking point, and grace us with some patronizing wall of text, and set pedantic traps for people to respond to so he can launch into some pre-conceived nonsense he was planning to all along. I think this kind of behavior is a cautionary tale of what is to be expected from your garden-variety self-appointed do-gooder asshole who comes to the discussion motivated purely by an agenda and veritable attics full of unacknowledged political baggage.

I think you really need to get a hold of yourself there. If you dont like what he says, just move on. If what he says annoys you so much that you are inclined to write the above drivel, then you really need to reassess your life's priorities.

At least others had the ability to argue a point.

And that's what they did wrong.



983. Post 10816195 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: AZwarel on March 18, 2015, 08:03:35 PM
As I recall, your original claim was that it would be possible for 'any kid with a laptop' to effectively remove the 21M bitcoin cap.  This is NOT an example of that happening.

After a hard fork, as long as both branches survive, there are twice as many bitcoins around.  If you had 100 BTC before the fork, then after the fork you have 100 "Series A" BTC and 100 "Series B" BTC.  

As I clearly said every time, whether people bother to mine and use each Series is a political and marketing qestion.  There is no technical obstacle to both series of bitcoins surviving and retaining some value (but quite likely their combined total value will be no greater than what the "Series A" were worth before the fork).

At the last hard fork, everyone agreed to abandon the "Series A" bitcoins and use only the "Series B" ones.   If we have another hard fork to increase the block size, some people seem to be willing stay on the "Series A" branch.  I don't know what will happen, but, agan, it will be decided by political processes, not by technical mechanisms.

Do you really not understand that when you say 'series A bitcoin' and 'series B bitcoin', you are really saying 'bitcoin', and 'some altcoin'?

It's true that you will have a free supply of 100 units of the alt coin, which may or may not retain value over time, depending on whether anyone continues to mine it - but you will still only have 100 bitcoins - whichever branch eventually establishes itself as the 'real' bitcoin.



Why do you bother? I don't know if he can qualify as a tldr-troll or just a stubborn idiot, but he won't budge.
And he sort of shows the limitations of other people I respect on this forum.
He's managed to engage people like oda.krell and others in long winded discussions where he is impervious to reason, but manages to make them believe that they are having a real discussion rather than him using them as his soapbox.

It's no use. Let it be.

I just wrote him a detailed reply how the consensus mechanism works. I think i have nailed it and he understands, if not, i has the power of ignore:)

It was a good read. Others will appreciate it even if The Most Honorable Professor Doctor Stolfi doesn't.



984. Post 10816270 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: barbs on March 18, 2015, 09:04:07 PM
i'm calling it;

officially panic time.

Where the heck is your guns???



985. Post 10816761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on March 15, 2015, 11:28:57 AM
Bears just waiting for someone to sell. Long swaps at 0.1% interest is high, but that is only the last few days of swap total.

The order books look better matched than they have for weeks.

One big buy and the bearish sentiment will evaporate in a  puff of smoke. Like most of the leveraged bears did the last month.

The "bearish sentiment" is solely connected to the imagined barrier of $300. If you look at 1d charts we are still just moving up the stairway to heaven.

Edit: So by wednesday we should be past $300.

The price better turn around real quick or I might end up looking foolish.



986. Post 10816881 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: calme on March 18, 2015, 09:59:23 PM
Bears just waiting for someone to sell. Long swaps at 0.1% interest is high, but that is only the last few days of swap total.

The order books look better matched than they have for weeks.

One big buy and the bearish sentiment will evaporate in a  puff of smoke. Like most of the leveraged bears did the last month.

The "bearish sentiment" is solely connected to the imagined barrier of $300. If you look at 1d charts we are still just moving up the stairway to heaven.

Edit: So by wednesday we should be past $300.

The price better turn around real quick or I might end up looking foolish.

I'm okay with looking foolish. I'll get a silly paint job on my Ferrari after following the #1 rule of BTC.  Cool



Looks nice, needs some new rims though  Grin



987. Post 10817371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: calme on March 18, 2015, 10:13:37 PM
Bears just waiting for someone to sell. Long swaps at 0.1% interest is high, but that is only the last few days of swap total.

The order books look better matched than they have for weeks.

One big buy and the bearish sentiment will evaporate in a  puff of smoke. Like most of the leveraged bears did the last month.

The "bearish sentiment" is solely connected to the imagined barrier of $300. If you look at 1d charts we are still just moving up the stairway to heaven.

Edit: So by wednesday we should be past $300.

The price better turn around real quick or I might end up looking foolish.

I'm okay with looking foolish. I'll get a silly paint job on my Ferrari after following the #1 rule of BTC.  Cool



Looks nice, needs some new rims though  Grin

If we drive something like that, I'm concerned we'll look foolish next to other cars at stoplights. There will be mildly used Honda Civics with badass paint jobs paid for by those who shorted from 300 to 250. And to make things worse, the previous owners were non-smokers (or at least the ads on Craigslist said so).

I don't give a hoo haa about them. I want a silly Ferrari!




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989. Post 10817482 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on March 18, 2015, 11:16:04 PM
Have the Chinese recently been more or less bullish than the rest? If equally or less, I think we have yet another ride down tonight in 1-2 hours, once they wake up to this shit. :/

If they don't have automated stops that's already been triggered I don't see why they would bail if the price is climbing again.



990. Post 10817617 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: diabLEEca on March 18, 2015, 11:29:30 PM
Have the Chinese recently been more or less bullish than the rest? If equally or less, I think we have yet another ride down tonight in 1-2 hours, once they wake up to this shit. :/

If they don't have automated stops that's already been triggered I don't see why they would bail if the price is climbing again.

1. The price is merely crawling back up, and it's not doing it fast enough or with enough volume to call it a reversal. It looks more like a correction on the further way down for now.
2. They could simply wake up, read the latest news they've missed and decide that they're out (or simply that it's going to drop even more from that so they will buy back lower). It's happened before, it may happen again - hence the question how bullish/bearish they've been recently compared to the rest.

You're probably right.
I get the feeling that, despite common knowledge on this thread at least, China mostly follows the rest. So I guess the pandas are going to have a party while I'm sleeping.



991. Post 10817735 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on March 18, 2015, 11:46:18 PM

saxon84
I transferred my wifes saving at $297 what a disaster :/

saxon84
no. holding. hopefully it will retest $300.... well i'm sure we're going to breakout above $300 soon.


He shouldnīt have listened to that damn bullscammers. I hope Blitz and theymos will ban them one by one. This is getting a serious problem.
Hes only down 1/8th.. not so bad? I mean, yeah, that's awful for his wife. But I'm sure many people are sitting on losses far exceeding 1/8th from this drop..
We'll see who got burnt on leveraged longs soon enough. They tend to drop off the thread.



992. Post 10817992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 19, 2015, 12:36:42 AM
I can feel an incoming pump.... 1.. 2.... 3.... WATCH OUT!!!

Delusional booktalk never got us anywhere Angry

Still I see nothing else



993. Post 10818062 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: 12345mm on March 19, 2015, 12:45:45 AM
fuuuuu uuuuu ck diddily uck ... now i'm only at $1000+ since start of the year instead of $2500+ ... god damned $40 drop in a couple hours ... seriously ? ... you sonsobitches ! ... wtf happened to looking to cross over past 300 and stay above 300 ? ... at least i'm still in the black ... but still ... do the whales realize that every time they shock slam the market for double digit % loss in a matter of hours it further erodes and damages the perception of bitcoin as being a legitimate currency/commodity/thing to invest in whatsoever ?

lol

You should write them a stern letter of complaint



994. Post 10818178 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

F*cking pandas



995. Post 10818225 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: coins101 on March 19, 2015, 01:13:50 AM
How many weak fucking hands are there?
It's a currency, not a stock. They are all weak hands.



996. Post 10820504 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: 12345mm on March 19, 2015, 08:08:29 AM
grumble grumble grumble ... hey wait it's only 30 drop from 290 and not a 40 drop ... plus a couple extra coin at 250 ... feels like i just got a participation medal after losing the special olympics ... weee ...

lol

your best post so far



997. Post 10821098 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: inca on March 19, 2015, 10:08:20 AM
hello bulls.

I see you are opening longs like mad. good, good. the more you open the harder the fall will be.


Whilst long interest continues to rise. There are 3k new shorts opened on finex.

What if the long's havent surrendered because they know something is to be announced shortly. What happens if gemini launches?

Edit: just noticed I am a hero member Smiley

Congrats, well earned!



998. Post 10821433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

One more try for moonshot

I think we've ironed out the kinks

Lets cross our fingers and hope this works.




999. Post 10821442 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 19, 2015, 11:21:58 AM
So the big dump was caused by bull shit news, massively over estimating a number of coins scammed by an online drug site?

 If that's true the BTC world should be ashamed, reacting to fake news.

Don't worry. There is plenty of shame in the BTC world.



1000. Post 10821500 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

At least shorts went up. They tend to be more jittery nowadays than longs.



1001. Post 10826227 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Kipsy89 on March 19, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
bitfinex order book is looking really bad.

3 k till 230.

if we go under 210 sell everything.

Yet it refuses to go any lower! I know you're probably extremely short right now, possible on margin, but I hope you've set your stops accordingly...

I hope he is short on leverage and gets burnt badly. He used to be sort of a good read but nowadays it's getting close to trolling. I don't have to read what he has to say, there is nothing new. He's morphing into LambShroomie. Maybe he fears a bull market and misses 2014. But this is getting old quick.



1002. Post 10826491 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 19, 2015, 08:38:41 PM
bitfinex order book is looking really bad.

3 k till 230.

if we go under 210 sell everything.

Yet it refuses to go any lower! I know you're probably extremely short right now, possible on margin, but I hope you've set your stops accordingly...

I hope he is short on leverage and gets burnt badly. He used to be sort of a good read but nowadays it's getting close to trolling. I don't have to read what he has to say, there is nothing new. He's morphing into LambShroomie. Maybe he fears a bull market and misses 2014. But this is getting old quick.


of course you do fatty, because you are on the opposite side of the market. I am taking your money right now.


Wow, that's inspired. Never saw that one coming.



1003. Post 10826522 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: dreamspark on March 19, 2015, 08:40:18 PM
bitfinex order book is looking really bad.

3 k till 230.

if we go under 210 sell everything.

Yet it refuses to go any lower! I know you're probably extremely short right now, possible on margin, but I hope you've set your stops accordingly...

I hope he is short on leverage and gets burnt badly. He used to be sort of a good read but nowadays it's getting close to trolling. I don't have to read what he has to say, there is nothing new. He's morphing into LambShroomie. Maybe he fears a bull market and misses 2014. But this is getting old quick.

Short from 290's I think he's quite safe from being burnt.

You need to see this movie. It will blow your mind.




1004. Post 10826737 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on March 19, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
Going down below 260. Just some crazy buyer.

That's my take on this...

It would be more convincing if it wasn't based on swaps. But could someone be hogging all the swaps in order to keep weak hands from worsening their positions?



1005. Post 10826747 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 19, 2015, 09:29:44 PM
Still laughing at noobs who bought this!

You sound too desperate to have shorted from $290



1006. Post 10827044 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on March 19, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
Going down below 260. Just some crazy buyer.

That's my take on this...

It would be more convincing if it wasn't based on swaps. But could someone be hogging all the swaps in order to keep weak hands from worsening their positions?
Someone trying to keep the ship afloat? Yes, definitely. Did anyone catch how many days this $2m long was active for? I missed that part.

Could it be a whale going long with swaps before fiat transfer clears?



1007. Post 10827175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 19, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
shorts are up, let a few more morons bears short at the bottom and then we should be ready to bust 300 by monday

I love your sweet lies. Do you really trade in accordance with this sentiment?



1008. Post 10827248 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 19, 2015, 10:33:45 PM
shorts are up, let a few more morons bears short at the bottom and then we should be ready to bust 300 by monday

I love your sweet lies. Do you really trade in accordance with this sentiment?
lol!
no

edit can't lie, being overly bullish on the forums has, and continues to, cloud my judgment.

Well, at least you're not here just to see Bitcoin burn to the ground



1009. Post 10828987 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on March 20, 2015, 02:57:40 AM
Interesting times but tarmi is in bed or ghost like I'd expect. tarmi ran his mouth earlier and had many peeps thinking we're going down but it's only casually went up. Any thoughts on things going south or his sho*t going north?

Tarmi doesn't know anything more than the rest. If you shout "down! down! down!" long enough, eventually you're gonna be right. And for the last 15 months it's not like you've needed to be particularly gifted to think it's going in that direction.  It looks like someone, or simply the market, wanted the price down to a point where there is buying pressure, let's hope this is it. If what we saw was someone painting candles, we might be heading up again real fast. But for now it will be interesting to see if 260 will hold.



1010. Post 10829417 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on March 20, 2015, 04:48:08 AM
Who the heck is the tarmi/scharmi people are talking about?

He's a bear who makes a lot of bearish posts, and has been caught in the occasional fib.

He's always polite and never resorts to name-calling though. I wouldn't call him a troll despite his extreme  and constant bearishness.

I think he's just talking his book and dreaming of cheaper coins.



Quote from: tarmi on March 19, 2015, 08:38:41 PM
bitfinex order book is looking really bad.

3 k till 230.

if we go under 210 sell everything.

Yet it refuses to go any lower! I know you're probably extremely short right now, possible on margin, but I hope you've set your stops accordingly...

I hope he is short on leverage and gets burnt badly. He used to be sort of a good read but nowadays it's getting close to trolling. I don't have to read what he has to say, there is nothing new. He's morphing into LambShroomie. Maybe he fears a bull market and misses 2014. But this is getting old quick.


of course you do fatty, because you are on the opposite side of the market. I am taking your money right now.




1011. Post 10829461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 20, 2015, 05:04:38 AM
And see I thought your name was referencing a certain fission device.

Believe me, if the market goes your way and bitcoin succeeds, you will cherish tarmi's posts.

Nick from the amiga demo scene in the 90s

Not one that I chose myself, but admittedly quite accurate



The Fizzy Thing is just icing on the cake



1012. Post 10829503 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on March 20, 2015, 05:18:42 AM
He's always polite and never resorts to name-calling though. .
of course you do fatty

You call yourself Fatman. I don't see "fatty" as name-calling.  Undecided

It's like black people and the N-word



1013. Post 10829516 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 20, 2015, 05:16:28 AM
That has avatar written all over it... alas


Is that a bad thing? Are you thinking of the movie?



1014. Post 10829529 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 20, 2015, 05:26:39 AM
In a long forgotten year, people could use pictographs as a sort of representation, below their names on this esteemed fora.

Ok, I thought you meant it had turned into a bad thing.

Edit: Yeah, it would have been sweet to have that thing under my name.



1015. Post 10834889 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 20, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
I think the lack of bidwalls are baiting another spike to 255

Not going to take the risk though, 260 is good enough for me


i wonder what btc will worth on monday ?

My guess is around 1 bitcoin

We're currently building a huge bear flag, target around 270 and then dropping to the core again  Wink

Of course we are Wink

You keep up those shorts now!! Don't be afraid, bitcoin always goes back down

LOL

No shorts yet my friend, currently in a healthy long position from low 250's  fwiw.

Me too, fwiw. I think you have me beat by a couple bucks though. Had a pretty nice short coming down, but long is the better trade in this kind of market (looking @ daily chart).

[Brony Nazi Pic]


I am really tempted...




1016. Post 10836129 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

Not to freak anyone out but it literally looks like BTC is flatlining.

http://bfxdata.com/combined/btc.php



1017. Post 10839213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.05h):

$5 down and sky is falling. Someones nerves are on the fritz.



1018. Post 10839282 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: 12345mm on March 21, 2015, 07:42:34 AM
hmmmm ... yes ... 10 minute blocks of time going by on finex , apparently the preferred exchange nowadays , without a single buy or sell occurring ... sorry folks that's not what a healthy "global currency market" looks like ... hell it's not what any healthy traded finance market looks like ... meanwhile the novelty idea of "bitcoin is the future of money" has worn off for most people as they come to realize it's actually nothing more than a poorly-branded experimental decentralized floating value ledger system backed up by a little computer processing power , which was severely abused by mtgox in a massive ponzi scheme from the very beginning of bitcoin up until other exchanges existed , roughly 6 out of the total of 7 years of bitcoin's existence being completely fraudulently manipulated in terms of price ... leaves us with a "leftover" price resultant from their fraudulent actions , a pseudo-merchant acceptance process whereby 99% of merchants accept that you can sell your bitcoins at exchange value and pay them in real fiat for their goods via payment processors , and a massive slapped together mining infrastructure built to chase the false price but now faced with the reality of not being able to pay their power bills without $1000 bitcoin ... fucked would be a generous assessment ...

What he said Undecided

It's a very gripping anecdote, very good decision for dramatic purposes for the writer to choose to exaggerate beyond recognition or outright make up every single supporting detail, makes for a much more dramatic story than what happened in real life.

fight fire with fire ... fight lies with lies ... if need be ... difference being my white lies / slight exaggerations are in the interest of other people / pursuit of truth and the lies of blatant bitcoin shills are for only their profit / benefit ... Wink

With all due respect, go hug a rainbow!



1019. Post 10839809 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Shorts were added in the latest micro-drop.



1020. Post 10840037 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Someone will try a squeeze tomorrow. And since the longs won't budge and the shorts have been jittery lately, I think it will be a short squeeze. But without buying pressure it will fall to the ground again when shorts have bailed, which will put pressure on longs again if they don't have the wits to close in the 280-290s area.

Not really a prediction, just thinking out loud (quietly in writing).



1021. Post 10840086 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: 8up on March 21, 2015, 10:27:00 AM
Bulls and bears balance each other very well atm.

Guess the next two month will become boring to an almost unbearable level.   Wink

Too low volume



1022. Post 10840114 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Dotto on March 21, 2015, 10:27:47 AM
we need some despair here

f that

we're gonna go moonwalking





1023. Post 10840140 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: 8up on March 21, 2015, 10:33:29 AM
Bulls and bears balance each other very well atm.

Guess the next two month will become boring to an almost unbearable level.   Wink

Too low volume

Why? Bitcoin is "stable", when volume is low!?

until a bear shits in the woods



1024. Post 10840274 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: 8up on March 21, 2015, 10:52:22 AM
Bulls and bears balance each other very well atm.

Guess the next two month will become boring to an almost unbearable level.   Wink

Too low volume

Why? Bitcoin is "stable", when volume is low!?

until a bear shits in the woods

Grin



Did some "research": This is scary. But prooves your point.


That explains a lot



1025. Post 10840616 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 21, 2015, 11:58:52 AM
hello!

how's those healthy longs from 250 looking now?

this is going down, you have been warned.




1026. Post 10840678 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on March 21, 2015, 12:03:33 PM
I'm still waiting for proof on your claims about the bitcoin clone that would double the bitcoins in existence. So far, only claims with no evidence to stand on.

I explained it three times, and gave you an concrete example of that thing having happened already (the OP_MUL fork).  Sorry, it is you who owe me proof that you can read.

You made claims 3 times. Got any evidence of bitcoin clones resulting in more bitcoins being on the market? I'm still waiting for proof that (and I quote)


 any kid can duplicate the amount of bitcoins in existence by creating a hard fork of the blockchain and starting to mine it on his laptotp.  


What are you trying to achieve there spidey?



He'll never budge.



1027. Post 10841703 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: empowering on March 21, 2015, 02:37:46 PM
Some choose to not believe anything that anyone says.



And what do you say?



1028. Post 10842008 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: empowering on March 21, 2015, 03:00:59 PM
Some choose to not believe anything that anyone says.



And what do you say?

(you gotta be highly suspicious of the group that shout the loudest, especially if they are pretending to be do-gooders out to "help and inform you" they claim they are not effected in anyway, but just on a mission to convince you of their truth. Empires have always claimed to be bringing civilisation to the savages, for their own betterment of course)

TL/DR Trust NO ONE

This involves the danger of being isolated and -believe me- this won't help you evolve (not personally speaking). A group of "not so trusted" people are much better than a "trusted" one when it comes to progress. Besides, all the great achievements are based on a "quantum leap of faith". Yes, there's the danger of you getting burned by your "entrusted" ones, but imho, it worths the risk.

You can take on information without 100% trusting what any outside source TELLS (or invites) you to believe.

Then you have the best of all worlds.

I totally agree, it's just been a lot of bear grumbling here today so I thought perhaps you had something to add.

Although I see some of the signs of this going to smack to the ground, there are things that makes me feel like we are being played here.
If you look at the movement (http://bfxdata.com/combined/btc.php) from 20.00 to 24.00 on the 19th of March, which is followed by dead silence, that looks... And the sentiment at the time from everyone who is dead sure now was "WTF???", which tells me we might be staring at a trap, hopefully for bears.

Then again, I really want this thing to go through the roof so I am quite biased.



1029. Post 10843473 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):



                               Waiting For The Winkledinkles



1030. Post 10843599 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: empowering on March 21, 2015, 04:15:51 PM

Short term I think we are being led by the nose, I do not trust the order books or charts, feels like something is afoot, maybe a mini spike followed by a mini dump... all depends on how 250 holds up.


If everyone is just waiting for a sign of which direction we're heading, this could get ugly quick.



1031. Post 10844561 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on March 21, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
Good grief, the picture postings have went really bland and that's exactly what this market is looking like right now. Ho hum, somebody make a move.

                America!!!! Fuck Yeah!!!!



(Better?)



1032. Post 10845554 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Please don't repost all of stolfis literary durchfall

Edit: thx



1033. Post 10848197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Them swaps...




1034. Post 10854462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: empowering on March 22, 2015, 10:44:42 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_righting_reflex#Terminal_velocity

I suggest many of you should be open to learning new things. I might be proven wrong, but for now my provided link clearly states:
- cats do not land on their feet after falling from great height.
- real data (~130 cats from NY) is available on falling cats and mortality/injury rate.
- height > 7 stories does increase survival rate based on data

"In a 1987 study, published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, of 132 cats that were brought into the New York Animal Medical Center after having fallen from buildings, it was found that the injuries per cat increased depending on the height fallen up to seven stories, but decreased above seven stories.[8] The study authors speculated that after falling five stories the cats reached terminal velocity and thereafter relaxed and spread their bodies to increase drag."

I'll probably be lurking again after this one. The forums have gone pretty rotten the last couple of years.

yeah... this is correct... but it is only correct up to a certain height, there is a sweet spot, and anything over that, and the cat gets it.

so go up to the 102 floor of the empire state building and throw the cat off, then it dies.. there is nothing that can stop the mass of the cats head from hitting the ground.
Fools! You have no perception!
The stakes we are gambling are frightenly high!
We must crush him completely
So like John before him, this Jesus must die
For the sake of the nation this Jesus must die

I would go with 8-10 stories.



I can't believe I feel the need to chime in, but I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l7Uq1s-gts



1035. Post 10854527 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on March 22, 2015, 10:59:58 PM
Huh
And here I thought we'd be discussing the price.
-sigh-




1036. Post 10854546 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: empowering on March 22, 2015, 11:01:23 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_righting_reflex#Terminal_velocity

I suggest many of you should be open to learning new things. I might be proven wrong, but for now my provided link clearly states:
- cats do not land on their feet after falling from great height.
- real data (~130 cats from NY) is available on falling cats and mortality/injury rate.
- height > 7 stories does increase survival rate based on data

"In a 1987 study, published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, of 132 cats that were brought into the New York Animal Medical Center after having fallen from buildings, it was found that the injuries per cat increased depending on the height fallen up to seven stories, but decreased above seven stories.[8] The study authors speculated that after falling five stories the cats reached terminal velocity and thereafter relaxed and spread their bodies to increase drag."

I'll probably be lurking again after this one. The forums have gone pretty rotten the last couple of years.

yeah... this is correct... but it is only correct up to a certain height, there is a sweet spot, and anything over that, and the cat gets it.

so go up to the 102 floor of the empire state building and throw the cat off, then it dies.. there is nothing that can stop the mass of the cats head from hitting the ground.
Fools! You have no perception!
The stakes we are gambling are frightenly high!
We must crush him completely
So like John before him, this Jesus must die
For the sake of the nation this Jesus must die

I would go with 8-10 stories.



I can't believe I feel the need to chime in, but I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l7Uq1s-gts

Yeah.... I repeat though chuck a cat out of the top floor of the empire state, and I would bet my bottom dollar, that the cat will be dead as fuck when it is reunited with the ground.

There is a safety net a bit down from the top to prevent people from killing themselves. Your kitty will land there and come back up to cut you up.



1037. Post 10854578 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on March 22, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
Huh
And here I thought we'd be discussing the price.
-sigh-



While that was loading, I was half expecting it to blow up, lol.

Past 270 and nobody gives a hoo haa. We want 340!!!



1038. Post 10854608 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: empowering on March 22, 2015, 11:08:38 PM

There is a safety net a bit down from the top to prevent people from killing themselves. Your kitty will land there and come back up to cut you up.

Yeah man, dem furballs do not pull punches  Smiley

A more pertinent question would be how big of a splat would Lamb make? if say one were to drop a cat off the top of the empire state onto Lamb on the ground... did I mention the cat is made of lead?



Just look at the time and effort he spends being a mildly annoying douche

Life is punishment enough





1039. Post 10854621 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 22, 2015, 11:13:47 PM



sorry guys.  Grin

You're not really good at this ignoring thingy?



1040. Post 10854945 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: empowering on March 22, 2015, 11:44:50 PM
If you guys can resist quoting the trolls, maybe (just maybe) they'll go away. Jimbo I'm looking at you.

It is a good point, but no, I do not think this particular loon will just go away.. and it was a bit boring, and as I am tied to the desk tonight, I thought I would pass the time by prodding the resident troll with a stick.

Pointless I know.

I must admit I have reached maximum boredom level with it all now though.





1041. Post 10857556 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

I see whaleclub.co are drawing new lines like there's no tomorrow to make the price look like it's going down.



1042. Post 10857804 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: madmat on March 23, 2015, 08:14:56 AM
I see whaleclub.co are drawing new lines like there's no tomorrow to make the price look like it's going down.

The price is going up !!! You are wrong.

.. I didn't say it was going down. I said whaleclub members want it to go down.



1043. Post 10858013 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 23, 2015, 08:49:53 AM
Looks like the majority have it regarding the poll.

Well below 270, and its 9am here in London.

lol

The high so far today on finex was 270.8



1044. Post 10858280 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Andre# on March 23, 2015, 09:35:54 AM
Looks like the majority have it regarding the poll.

Well below 270, and its 9am here in London.

lol

The high so far today on finex was 270.8

"Monday the 23rd price" is a bit ambiguous. I would interpret it as the average price of coins traded for USD during 23 March GMT.

"Well below 270" is less ambiguous. One could just check what coindesk puts as average price when the day is over.



1045. Post 10858501 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Out of curiosity, and somewhat out of interest, I have been watching some TA. Especially on whaleclub.co. And all I see are some fools running amok with confirmation bias and constantly adjusting accordingly no matter what happens. Is there a useful aspect to TA that isn't so vulnerable to confirmation bias?



1046. Post 10858650 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Andre# on March 23, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
Looks like the majority have it regarding the poll.

Well below 270, and its 9am here in London.

[a]lol

The high so far today on finex was 270.8

"Monday the 23rd price" is a bit ambiguous. I would interpret it as the average price of coins traded for USD during 23 March GMT.

"Well below 270" is less ambiguous. One could just check what coindesk puts as average price when the day is over.

But the price isn't well below 270 (currently 270.40 on Finex), and the day is over at a different time in each timezone.

... I know. Hence the "lol" at [a]



1047. Post 10858761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: macsga on March 23, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
Out of curiosity, and somewhat out of interest, I have been watching some TA. Especially on whaleclub.co. And all I see are some fools running amok with confirmation bias and constantly adjusting accordingly no matter what happens. Is there a useful aspect to TA that isn't so vulnerable to confirmation bias?

Personally, I don't think there is. But then again, I don't believe there's a legitimate TA either. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy that (if you get it right) you simply say "I told you so". In Physics, it's a low entropy, chaotic model. Practically no chance to get a 100% CERTAIN result. All these is mumbo-jumbo stuff, but frankly I like to stare... Tongue

Edit:
Just in case you want to dive into, I indulge you to read this paper:
http://www.asa.cs.uni-frankfurt.de/software/MI2/papers/Grassberger83.pdf


But wouldn't the immaturity of the bitcoin market, which leads it to be forcefully led by whales in different directions, also regularly lead the price outside the model in the paper, or are such variances possible to calculate as well to give an accurate scope?



1048. Post 10859491 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 23, 2015, 12:30:36 PM
it would be great to reach 300 this week.

Would be great but I'm losing optimism atm.
Getting a bit despondent with BTC lately.
You're probably tired. Find a way to recharge your batteries.



1049. Post 10859772 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: ChuckBuck on March 23, 2015, 12:48:36 PM
it would be great to reach 300 this week.

Would be great but I'm losing optimism atm.
Getting a bit despondent with BTC lately.
You're probably tired. Find a way to recharge your batteries.

It's called fatigue or exhaustion for both long and short positions.

Take a break, maybe a week or 2, wait for any developments, then come back once you're refreshed.
+1

It's very real. If you ignore it you risk digging yourself deeper and develop a mental aversion, or worse. Go out and check out the latest trends in mini skirts with a good friend.



1050. Post 10860895 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: kodtycoon on March 23, 2015, 03:01:07 PM
Quote
Does bitcoin require an ever increasing flow of money to sustain it? No
yes... mining.. hashpower increases -> cost increase -> (if the cost of mining gives bitcoin its value like so many seem to think) the amount of fiat coming into the system must increase to maintain current prices. of course this can go the other way too but the general trend has been that it has increased continuously for the better part of bitcoins history.

This is all backwards. Mining power is dictated by price, not the other way around.



1051. Post 10861718 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on March 23, 2015, 04:12:51 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still going sideways I see, albeit a little higher than at this time yesterday.

I see yesterday's trollfest is still going strong today.

More coffee please.

Yeah, there's a weird mood here though...




1052. Post 10862043 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on March 23, 2015, 04:55:00 PM
Decided to buy some Bitcoins after being a year out.

Reason is the Greek uncertainty and just beceause cryptocurrency's are awesome Smiley

I don't know what tomorrow brings, but if you're in it for the long run this should be a good entry point.



1053. Post 10862335 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 23, 2015, 05:25:59 PM
The Grand Unified Theory of "why bad things happen to stupid people":

"It's all done by one guy.  We haz 2 pioneered some disruptive technologyz to banned he!!1"
Well, Stolfi isn't you. Some of the quieter bears are not you either. YourMother might be your role-playing account, writes slightly differently and posts slightly different images.

So 2-3 guys on Bitcointalk have successfully imploded the BTC price? 
Such Antifragile!  Wow.

no 1 guy and 5 or 6 sock puppets  have successfully imploded the BTC price...

wait thats even worse!

is bitcoin dead?

No it's ALIVE!!!




1054. Post 10862377 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: ThatDGuy on March 23, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
Quote
This user is currently ignored.

Quote
This user is currently ignored.

Quote
This user is currently ignored.



That might get messy



And there's like 20 of them



1055. Post 10863032 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: podyx on March 23, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
Looks like we're heading down unfortunately... Sad

Happens every time adam starts making predictions about moonshots.



1056. Post 10863735 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on March 23, 2015, 07:53:01 PM
Going long on this, think it may make some shorts cover!

Nasdaq to Provide Trading Technology for Bitcoin Marketplace
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nasdaq-to-provide-trading-technology-for-bitcoin-marketplace-1427140006

sweet



1057. Post 10863814 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on March 23, 2015, 07:59:43 PM
Going long on this, think it may make some shorts cover!

Nasdaq to Provide Trading Technology for Bitcoin Marketplace
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nasdaq-to-provide-trading-technology-for-bitcoin-marketplace-1427140006

sweet


get in before silbert tweets it

edit: marketwatch picked it up already
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nasdaq-to-provide-trading-technology-for-bitcoin-marketplace-2015-03-23


So now both NYSE and NASDAQ are onboard. I don't give a flying fluck about todays tiny price-cough! This Mofo is Going To Da Moon BABY! ELON MUSK STYLE!!!!!



1058. Post 10863861 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 23, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
lel

watching you guys talking about "nasdaq technology" and low volume shakeouts is hilarious.

I can't wait till you turn bullish, you're a right ........ when you're bearish.



1059. Post 10863960 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 23, 2015, 08:08:47 PM

Buy on rumor insider info and "tips", sell on news.


this is the news/rumor?

nasdaq providing technology? I thought bitcoin was supposed to provide the technology part to nasdaq.  Cheesy

bulls getting desperate.

I know, it's easy to get confused with all this newfangled technology. But they invented something called an ipad for people who wants to check stuff on the internet/"interweb" to look up recipes and stuff. You can even get a facebook app so you don't have to deal with the complicated browser when you want to show some pictures to your friends.



1060. Post 10864046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Niceweather on March 23, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
silly bears shorting on the lowest swing

price will drop lower after a $265 dead cat bounce as always

sockpuppet?



1061. Post 10864077 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 23, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
"demand for trading" from institutional players does not mean that they need bitcoins, but options to trade them.

you can trade them at single digit range, you know.

maybe you are reading it wrong.

.... you are really reaching here. Just close your shorts and join us on the ride up.



1062. Post 10864096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on March 23, 2015, 08:27:30 PM
All in 20x long.

Here

We

GO

Didn't that ram you in the behind last time?



1063. Post 10864110 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on March 23, 2015, 08:30:34 PM
All in 20x long.

Here

We

GO

Didn't that ram you in the behind last time?

Tried to catch a falling knife with that one.

Time to make it back

Good luck!



1064. Post 10864312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: barbs on March 23, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
this is ugly. the bid sum on bitstamp + bitfinex is also, ugly

A lot of people have been unsure of where the price is heading.  I expect the order book to fill up when we get a clear direction.



1065. Post 10864489 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 23, 2015, 08:44:58 PM
off to bed, see you soon bitcoiners.

Quote from: tarmi on March 23, 2015, 08:57:06 PM
this is ugly. the bid sum on bitstamp + bitfinex is also, ugly


longs still going up>

24,412,738.64

I think we'll see longs at 50 million + this year.


if they are running fractional reserve then yes, we can see 1 trillion in like 2 days.

off to bed, see you soon bitcoiners.

You can bet on that. Or do you really think that people deposited over 25 mio to Bitfinex just to lend it, while there have been merely over 3 millions on Bitstamps orderbook in the last months???


well...

I dont think those 25 mil were deposited at all. those are probably fat profits made from trading and then borrowed to other gamblers. Cheesy

Can't sleep?



1066. Post 10864615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: coinableS on March 23, 2015, 09:13:16 PM
Are those real buys, or more leveraged longs? This is getting interesting!

Those are real.. leveraged longs. But shorts are moving up as well.



1067. Post 10864635 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: coinableS on March 23, 2015, 09:18:22 PM
Are those real buys, or more leveraged longs? This is getting interesting!

Looks like the real deal to me. The news is significant enough and could lift the price easily. Anyone has an ETA on Fidelity's launch? Adam? Roll Eyes How Soon is "soon"? Wink

Wait, what news?  What did I miss?


Quote from: gotmilk_ on March 23, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
WSJ article! Up up...  Cool
http://www.wsj.com/articles/nasdaq-to-provide-trading-technology-for-bitcoin-marketplace-1427140006

If you cant read it due to lack of subscription, just copy/paste the headline to google and click on it there.



1068. Post 10868986 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 24, 2015, 08:40:46 AM
Looks like the majority have it regarding the poll.

Well below 270, and its 9am here in London.

lol

The high so far today on finex was 270.8

"Monday the 23rd price" is a bit ambiguous. I would interpret it as the average price of coins traded for USD during 23 March GMT.

"Well below 270" is less ambiguous. One could just check what coindesk puts as average price when the day is over.

Average for the 36hr day didnt get much better (was about 266). Is that still worth a LOL, or is it well below 270?


At 9am London time the price was 269.6 on coinbase.  That's what the lol was for. And no, 266 is not well below 270.



1069. Post 10870308 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: 12345mm on March 24, 2015, 12:11:40 PM
well ... someone just sold $2,000,000 worth of coins in the span of 10 minutes across all the exchanges ... nicely done ...
Anyone who knows what their strategy is?



1070. Post 10870426 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 24, 2015, 12:50:55 PM
well ... someone just sold $2,000,000 worth of coins in the span of 10 minutes across all the exchanges ... nicely done ...
Anyone who knows what their strategy is?

Hard to tell. But it probably involves someone bent over with their trousers around their ankles, looking sorry for themselves.

No, no. That's me. I am asking about the dick behind me.



1071. Post 10870669 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

@adam when are you going to launch this mofo?!?

Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!



1072. Post 10870755 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on March 24, 2015, 01:29:23 PM
hi guys!

you are not able to break 250.  Cry

Cry


Time to ignore this shitposter

He went ugly when lambie was kicked out. And the other sockpuppets are not as effective.



1073. Post 10871654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

I had transferred 1 btc to a local exchange yesterday in order to pay some bills. I checked now and sold it for $274. Not the biggest break I ever got, but sweet.



1074. Post 10871739 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 24, 2015, 03:18:09 PM
I had transferred 1 btc to a local exchange yesterday in order to pay some bills. I checked now and sold it for $274. Not the biggest break I ever got, but sweet.

are we "well" below 270 yet?   Huh

Yes we are, but you were still wrong.



1075. Post 10872280 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 24, 2015, 04:07:58 PM
we're bouncing back!

keep holding your shorts bears, its a sure bet  Wink

Nope, we're not.




1076. Post 10872316 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: innocent93 on March 24, 2015, 04:13:44 PM
Finally we reached 290$ and stayed for a few days then we back to 250$ now, honestly I'm losing faith.

no.. you've got to.. keep it...





1077. Post 10872537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: macsga on March 24, 2015, 04:23:01 PM
The Justice Department is ordering bank employees to consider calling the cops on customers who withdraw $5,000 dollars or more, a chilling example of how the war on cash is intensifying.

Is this for real?  Shocked Shocked Shocked

http://www.infowars.com/feds-urge-banks-to-call-cops-on-customers-who-withdraw-5000-or-more/
No. It's an Alex Jones site. He is mental. Certified.



1078. Post 10872691 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Bagatell on March 24, 2015, 04:44:41 PM
The Justice Department is ordering bank employees to consider calling the cops on customers who withdraw $5,000 dollars or more, a chilling example of how the war on cash is intensifying.

Is this for real?  Shocked Shocked Shocked

http://www.infowars.com/feds-urge-banks-to-call-cops-on-customers-who-withdraw-5000-or-more/
No. It's an Alex Jones site. He is mental. Certified.

Is this guy certified too?

http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/justice-department-rolls-out-an-early-form-of-capital-controls-in-america-16640/

... no comment.



1079. Post 10872703 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: DonQuijote on March 24, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Yes it definitely is true,

They are doing the same thing in Europe... cash transactions > 1k euros aren't even allowed anymore in France!
BTC is the future, we are early adopters, nobody can limit our cash
That sounds a bit hollow considering BTC dropped 10% a couple of hours ago.



1080. Post 10873573 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: calme on March 24, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
i found a brazillian guy masturbating once and he just stared into my eyes and carried on a conversation until i eventually left the room or picked up a book or whatever. the masturbation never stopped

You not leaving immediately is even weirder.



1081. Post 10873638 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

22k shorts. That's something, I guess.

But I'm not holding my breath.




1082. Post 10873730 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: aminorex on March 24, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
Monkey has revised his estimate for the turn to tomorrow, and his support number is now 236.  Intraday, should rise a bit over the next 3 hours.

I have to admit, that f@cking monkey is smarter than me.



1083. Post 10874248 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 24, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
Really hope this price holds until pay day Friday.

It looks rather uneasy. Maybe you'll get an even better discount.



1084. Post 10874390 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: damiano on March 24, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
Really hope this price holds until pay day Friday.

It looks rather uneasy. Maybe you'll get an even better discount.

we just keep swinging from 245-247



Until Friday?



1085. Post 10874946 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

$250!!!!

Wooo Hoooo !!!!!!




1086. Post 10875033 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: _AquaRegia on March 24, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
$250!!!!

Wooo Hoooo !!!!!!



Double bottom at 160 here we come

Ahhhh, that's better.



1087. Post 10875317 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: samson on March 24, 2015, 08:57:30 PM
$250!!!!

Wooo Hoooo !!!!!!



LOL, the price drops $20 in the space of 24 hours, then bounces $5 and suddenly we're heading to the moon  Roll Eyes

Been a rough day, had to give it a shot.



1088. Post 10876042 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on March 24, 2015, 10:26:26 PM
Dat hash rate

Probably just network on a lucky streak. Wait for like a week before you call it.



1089. Post 10876430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: calme on March 24, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
i found a brazillian guy masturbating once and he just stared into my eyes and carried on a conversation until i eventually left the room or picked up a book or whatever. the masturbation never stopped

You not leaving immediately is even weirder.
then he would think it affected me or that i was making a big deal of it. plus he was covered and seemed super into the conversation

Still weird. It is a big deal. People go to jail for stuff like that.



1090. Post 10879990 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 25, 2015, 08:33:50 AM
This is pretty fucking awful tbf.

How much lower........



1091. Post 10880088 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: mah87 on March 25, 2015, 08:56:40 AM
back to 10$




1092. Post 10880133 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: mah87 on March 25, 2015, 08:58:59 AM
bitcoin is overrated and overpriced

Ripple is overrated and overpriced



1093. Post 10880164 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: mah87 on March 25, 2015, 09:05:47 AM
bitcoin is overrated and overpriced

Ripple is overrated and overpriced

underrated and underpriced Smiley

If that were true, and we look at 24h volume, BTC should be at $15790 minimum.



1094. Post 10880177 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: zcxvbs on March 25, 2015, 09:09:38 AM
bitcoin is overrated and overpriced

For now though, yes it is, maybe Bitcoin should go under $100 and stabilize the price. But if it goes too low, the miners will become unprofitable and they will leave.

Miners will leave well before $100



1095. Post 10880313 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on March 25, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
bitcoin is overrated and overpriced

For now though, yes it is, maybe Bitcoin should go under $100 and stabilize the price. But if it goes too low, the miners will become unprofitable and they will leave.

Miners will leave well before $100


What happens if the price go under 100 dollar, will miners leave and bitcoin die???
Stop thinking in absolutes.  Some miners will leave, mining difficulty will drop and the remaining miners will become profitable again...

A lot of miners are stretched pretty thin as it is. If it drops below $100 dollars a huge part of the network will probably turn everything off within a short time frame. Electricity cost is not all they have to worry about. Capital costs, rent and salary makes this piece of math more difficult. And if it's timed wrong this could result in a month or more of really slow transfer speeds with 20-30min on average between blocks, and several hours in individual cases. Bitcoin will muddle through, but if that happens the price will probably drop further. Ie. there are no "cheap coinz" in the $60-140 range.



1096. Post 10880321 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Ezmoneyezlife on March 25, 2015, 09:24:18 AM
Its always so funny to watch how easily greedy pigs are being manipulated with chinese wash volume, same shit over and over again and fools still buy into rigged bulltraps.

Can't you and Tarmi turn to less coloured language so I won't have to put you on ignore?



1097. Post 10880428 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on March 25, 2015, 09:40:11 AM
*faceplant*
And of course miners can't switch mining pools  Roll Eyes .
EDIT: And whether it cost a billion or a few dollars to create your own mining farm that controls >50 percent of the network doesn't matter at all...

My point was that increased amount of hashrate doesn't increase the security of the network, and it doesn't. (a)The existing pools are still as fragile as they are, no matter the hashrate.

(b)About the cost of obtaining control over the network. PoS mining solves the same problem much more efficiently. Someone would have to buy up enough coins to obtain control, but that means that he would also have the biggest stake in that coin and the biggest interest for the network to be secure. The same problem would be answered MUCH cheaper and future-proof. The bitcoin miners are the monkeys on markets back. PoW mining is keeping the production cost high, while it shouldn't have to be high. The future of monetary services is in offering more efficient and cheaper solutions, not offering new bloated systems that reward useless people doing useless work.

a) Miners are very picky about pools, if something is wrong they switch. This is not "in theory", it happens all the time. Do you remember Ghash.io from last summer? Where are they now?

b) PoS has a huge image problem and it's unproven on a large scale.



1098. Post 10880450 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: Ezmoneyezlife on March 25, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
Its always so funny to watch how easily greedy pigs are being manipulated with chinese wash volume, same shit over and over again and fools still buy into rigged bulltraps.

Can't you and Tarmi turn to less coloured language so I won't have to put you on ignore?

Lol, m8, go ahead, ignore obvious facts, im not a "bear troll" i just warn people here, because i do hate those fuckers who control btc market, they fuck it when they want and in any hole they want, now they are creating the final shake off before a true reversal. Its funny and sad to watch how people are getting bulltraped following wash chinese volume  over and over again. I used to do same thing when i was a noob trader, but now i figured out where is the real "pump" and where is the fake one like that crap which is happening on goxobi/okgox righ now.

I'm not looking for a reason to ignore you. I value your input. But it's hard to deal with being called a "greedy pig", and worse, when I am losing money like Charlie Sheen on a weekend trip to Vegas.



1099. Post 10880481 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.06h):

Quote from: mah87 on March 25, 2015, 09:56:33 AM
bitcoin is flawed , its decline is only a matter of time

And Ripple isn't?



1100. Post 10880643 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on March 25, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
a) Miners are very picky about pools, if something is wrong they switch. This is not "in theory", it happens all the time. Do you remember Ghash.io from last summer? Where are they now?

b) PoS has a huge image problem and it's unproven on a large scale.


a) There would be enough time to coordinate a proper 51% attack, with creating chaos and damage to the network while the miners finally react. The point still remains, that increased hashrate does not increase the security.

b) I prefer to see potential in things before they are proven on a larger scale. To me, it's only a matter of time when people will start to see how foolish PoW was and how much better PoS is. I buy innovations when the majority are skeptical and uncertain, and I sell when I hear bartenders and cab drivers telling me about their new amazing discoveries in the world of technology. The herd of easy fortune seekers will always get slaughtered, so it's not very practical to run together with that herd.

a) miners are like the f-ing Ghostbusters when they fear that something they are doing is harming Bitcoin.



b) Beyond it being unproven, I don't think it will provide the sort of trust needed for a decentralized currency. Ethereum will be switching to PoS in 2016/2017, so we will sort of see then. But Ethereum isn't meant to be a currency as such, so it will be interesting to see if any conclusions can be drawn.



1101. Post 10880870 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

I see some of the whaleclub people are talking about $260 (some are talking about a plunge as well, but I don't want that). Any chance of it happening?



1102. Post 10881427 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BRADLEYPLOOF on March 25, 2015, 11:20:11 AM
a) Miners are very picky about pools, if something is wrong they switch. This is not "in theory", it happens all the time. Do you remember Ghash.io from last summer? Where are they now?

b) PoS has a huge image problem and it's unproven on a large scale.

A) I dunno, haven't mined BTC since before ASICs came out and difficulty and electricity costs skyrocketed.

B) PoS has image problem?  PoSV is the solution.  Reddcoin is a PoSV coin that gains coin-age over time, but slows down tremendously if the coins aren't moved.  Basically, the more you spend, the more you earn.  Roughly 5% "inflation" on your coins.  Easy to get and there are different wallets available, such as the Browser wallet for google chrome (uses a seed), the typical QT wallet, and the Social Wallet that is connected to twitter, the IRC channel, etc... plus a few new features yet to be seen in cryptocurrencies, are going to make this a breakout coin.  Best part: I can stake on a raspberry pi.  No spending stupid amounts of money on ASICs that will be useless in a month, no driving down the price because of selloffs to pay for electricity for those ASICs.  5 watts of power to secure the network, not a few megawatts.  Plus, I'll actually break even.  I don't know one person that has purchases an ASIC recently that has made their money back.  Early adopters of the ASICs that didn't buy from BFL might have had a chance, or those who sodl when BTC was > $1200 made their money back, but anyone who's purchased anything to mine BTC using BTC will never make that back.  Better to buy BTC or sell shovels.

One of the virtues of PoW is that it's simple. More complex methods like PoSV have a serious danger of getting rekt to the ground by exploits. I would stay out of Reddcoin and other PoS/PoSV coins until they are properly stress tested. Another problem is that their award structures tend to look like proper pyramid schemes. I hodl so I get more money by hodling... or "days destroyed"-like rewards. Any coin that bases "mining" on the users behavior is problematic since it skews economic activity.

With BTC you make money mining if you have the best conditions for mining. Welcome to the real world! It's a proper financial tool, not a playground for spotty teenagers crying about how unfair it is that they can't get rich quick on the Alienware machines they got for Christmas.



1103. Post 10881439 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: julian071 on March 25, 2015, 11:57:46 AM
Cloudmining companies are experiencing a lot of troubles with their websites the last couple of days. Megamine.com is offline regularly, and so is genesis-mining.com and zeushash.com. Fishy...

I know at least one of them are sniffing at bankruptcy.



1104. Post 10882228 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: coinableS on March 25, 2015, 01:06:06 PM
I had a dream last night I was watching the charts (anyone else dream about BTC charts?) and there was a mega green candle, and we were back up to the $800's. Obviously only a crazy dream.  Cheesy
Weird, I had the same dream a month ago. Only it went to 850 and I bailed before it crashed to 650 and stayed there.



1105. Post 10883459 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: aztecminer on March 25, 2015, 03:36:42 PM
I had a dream last night I was watching the charts (anyone else dream about BTC charts?) and there was a mega green candle, and we were back up to the $800's. Obviously only a crazy dream.  Cheesy
Weird, I had the same dream a month ago. Only it went to 850 and I bailed before it crashed to 650 and stayed there.


i had a dream i was ski down a mountain of bitcoins and there was ducks and chinese people in rocketships with their pets getting bitcoin from other chinese people while flaming trains were roaring by and then suddenly i was on a boat with t-pain and a bunch mermaids while Poseidon was looking at me.. crazy dream!
You've been spending too much time on this thread



1106. Post 10884016 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 25, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
@Yourmother

Cut this shit and pm if you want talk more. I trade many coins and 99% of them falling:).
The secret is buy low-sell high, trade btc, take $$$ and never be bagholder of any coin (like i'm now, proudly).

You do know he's a troll, not a bear?



1107. Post 10884065 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 25, 2015, 04:52:49 PM
Yep i know he's annoying troll.

Btw. Okcoin crazy - 5k+ btc in 2-3min  Grin
1h:


I can't watch OKCoin, it makes my head spin.

Edit: Jeebus Creebus!!



1108. Post 10884218 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Ezmoneyezlife on March 25, 2015, 05:02:51 PM
Yep i know he's annoying troll.

Btw. Okcoin crazy - 5k+ btc in 2-3min  Grin
1h:
edit: ~7k


Yep, another 7k of wash volume, riceeaters command you to go long, go ahead mate.

I'm quite sure they eat rice in Russia as well.



1109. Post 10884330 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 25, 2015, 05:16:34 PM
once all the shorts are in, we should be able to move again.

     Message received




1110. Post 10884348 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

@adam

The second you say something everything goes to shits



1111. Post 10884931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on March 25, 2015, 06:14:05 PM
i'm now officially short on food to buy bitcoin.  Kiss
That's not a healthy situation bro  Undecided
That depends, I could probably do with a bit of famine.



1112. Post 10885160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Where the F are the winkledinkles and that draper dude?



1113. Post 10885194 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 25, 2015, 06:40:05 PM
Where the F are the winkledinkles and that draper dude?

They're busy stirring up some interesting things for the future. As for right now, we're all on our own.

F the future! I want my pile of shiny fiat now!!!



1114. Post 10885696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Anyone with da skillz who can take a look at this?
(yes, I only see what I want to see)

https://www.tradingview.com/x/ObPCgc3k/



1115. Post 10886036 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 25, 2015, 08:06:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x92QbJr-cA8

LEOCOIN IS THE FUTURE!!!



100 000 [edit] "entrepreneurs" and only 169 views. Hmm...

6 subscribers to the youtube channel. Hmpf...



1116. Post 10886096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: coinableS on March 25, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
LMAO this leocoin stuff is comedy gold!   Cheesy
Noobs are going to get burnt hard on this. I can see the posts now on reddit (LEOcoin lied! Let's shame them on the interwebs!)


Just wonder if it's going to impact Bitcoin in the media.



1117. Post 10886157 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: spooderman on March 25, 2015, 08:18:49 PM
hahahahahahaa

r u cereal?

network strength presumably = 10H/s

Have you found anything about the underlying technology?



1118. Post 10886208 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 25, 2015, 08:25:21 PM
LMAO this leocoin stuff is comedy gold!   Cheesy
Noobs are going to get burnt hard on this. I can see the posts now on reddit (LEOcoin lied! Let's shame them on the interwebs!)


Just wonder if it's going to impact Bitcoin in the media.

That press release would not get past any intelligent sub editor. cnbc carry that rubbish without even checking it, as there are loads of other similar crap on that site.

So, No, probably wont make mainstream media, or have much impact - imho

PS - I was still right about bitcoin sub270 on Monday...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Yes, when you modified it the day after. Not worth much then though.



1119. Post 10886360 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on March 25, 2015, 08:33:38 PM
You can post anything to the marketplace

I feel forced to do something I never do. Use a smiley.  Roll Eyes

Please tell me you're low on coins so they won't have to auction away 100 000 Bitcoins from the Blazin604 raid.



1120. Post 10886642 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on March 25, 2015, 09:02:49 PM
obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gfntBEI3Aw

Holy crap!

He made a song about Tarmi!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEIbzhMhGY



1121. Post 10887028 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Norway on March 25, 2015, 09:34:25 PM
Just a hunch. Are you Fyrstikken making those epic videos?  Wink
No, that guy was skinny. Guess that's why he calls himself Fyrstikken (Matchstick).



1122. Post 10887125 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Norway on March 25, 2015, 10:02:38 PM
No, that guy was skinny. Guess that's why he calls himself Fyrstikken (Matchstick).
Ha, ha! It IS you! RESPECT!!!  Grin

No, seriously. It's not me



1123. Post 10887239 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Norway on March 25, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
No, that guy was skinny. Guess that's why he calls himself Fyrstikken (Matchstick).
Ha, ha! It IS you! RESPECT!!!  Grin

No, seriously. It's not me

I am disappointed, I wish it was. Not many people in crypto currency in Norway yet, he he  Wink

He's seems norwegian enough... Just contact him by his youtube account and get him to perform at one of your meetups. Every artist likes a good crowd.



1124. Post 10887355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Norway on March 25, 2015, 10:30:54 PM
No, that guy was skinny. Guess that's why he calls himself Fyrstikken (Matchstick).
Ha, ha! It IS you! RESPECT!!!  Grin

No, seriously. It's not me

I am disappointed, I wish it was. Not many people in crypto currency in Norway yet, he he  Wink

He's seems norwegian enough... Just contact him by his youtube account and get him to perform at one of your meetups. Every artist likes a good crowd.
Sounds like a great idea! Next meetup is 1st of may. Topic focus will probably be regulation in Norway and probably a little follow up on the f*cking VAT. Dry & boring, but it's impossible to make a startup in Norway without at least the VAT in place. And everybody gets drunk and talk about bitcoin. Come!

VAT is for pussies



1125. Post 10887590 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Norway on March 25, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
...
Sounds like a great idea! Next meetup is 1st of may. Topic focus will probably be regulation in Norway and probably a little follow up on the f*cking VAT. Dry & boring, but it's impossible to make a startup in Norway without at least the VAT in place. And everybody gets drunk and talk about bitcoin. Come!

VAT is for pussies
Impossible to run a good business without keeping it real. I think a guy from KPMG at the last meetup put it well: "If you don't have VAT on gift cards in shops, why should it be VAT on bitcoin?"

The explanation I got so far was that if I sell outside of Norway I won't have to pay VAT on the coins. With regards to policy. Norway won't make any decision/change before there is a pan-european consensus on how these things should be regulated. We are too rich to bother. I am just happy BTC isn't illegal in Norway.



1126. Post 10887912 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Norway on March 25, 2015, 11:36:33 PM
...
Sounds like a great idea! Next meetup is 1st of may. Topic focus will probably be regulation in Norway and probably a little follow up on the f*cking VAT. Dry & boring, but it's impossible to make a startup in Norway without at least the VAT in place. And everybody gets drunk and talk about bitcoin. Come!

VAT is for pussies
Impossible to run a good business without keeping it real. I think a guy from KPMG at the last meetup put it well: "If you don't have VAT on gift cards in shops, why should it be VAT on bitcoin?"

The explanation I got so far was that if I sell outside of Norway I won't have to pay VAT on the coins. With regards to policy. Norway won't make any decision/change before there is a pan-european consensus on how these things should be regulated. We are too rich to bother. I am just happy BTC isn't illegal in Norway.
You are probably right in all of your points, and I'm also happy BTC isn't illlegal in norway. What I have to work with, is this:



I agree. VAT is a big hindrance to BTC having much of an impact in Norway. It makes no sense. They are basically saying that Norway will stand on the sidelines and let the rest of the world pick the low-hanging fruit. The danes simply said: none of our business, do what you want. But that's not the norwegian way.



1127. Post 10887957 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: aminorex on March 26, 2015, 12:04:38 AM
Monkey has revised his estimate for the turn to tomorrow, and his support number is now 236.  Intraday, should rise a bit over the next 3 hours.

Monkey want it to go up from now on, with resistance at 276, 378.  If not, the next support is 182, 126.

If it goes up to 378 anytime soon, you can kiss your monkey from me.



1128. Post 10887982 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 26, 2015, 12:10:10 AM
bitcoin isnt going anywhere until we hit the next halving.

Don't you go Tarmi on me




1129. Post 10888142 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Norway on March 26, 2015, 12:16:19 AM
Yes. I'm talking with a foreign company establishing in norway right now. They hope they don't have to pay VAT because their company is located abroad. I hope they don't have to pay VAT, because it would make it impossible for them to operate in Norway. But I think they have to...

If they are paid in BTC then there should be ways to avoid VAT on the coins themselves, but if they sell them somehow then it will be tricky. But it's probably worth writing a letter to the relevant authorities anyway. They will definitely not do anything if nobody cares enough to ask/complain about it.



1130. Post 10890482 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Can't seem to... is this thing working?




1131. Post 10890841 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):



Please, please, please






1132. Post 10892242 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: ghandi on March 26, 2015, 12:50:08 PM


Please, please, please





Took some time, but we have an ignition! Cheesy
Phew!
Now let's see if there's some oomph in this rocket!



1133. Post 10892300 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Ezmoneyezlife on March 26, 2015, 12:53:38 PM
Hahaha, gogo follow wash volume of gooks, fools never learn.

Tone it down you racist piece of shit!



1134. Post 10892524 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: soullyG on March 26, 2015, 01:14:19 PM
I dont trade it so no bother to me either way, just come here to be entertained Cheesy

Which your venomous post succeeds in doing..

Thanks for not quoting the trolls  Kiss

Is EZ officially a troll now?



1135. Post 10892820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: damiano on March 26, 2015, 01:58:48 PM
that 2k buy on bitfinex was a shorter who panicked.

thanks dude, great entry point for my new position.

btc you have my permission to crash & burn again.

How do you know? Bfxdata still showing over 23k shorts for me


they always lag. besides, it was pretty obvious.

I think we can make another leg or two soon just to scare those shorts in the next couple of days.

I think the lag is sometimes up to 15 minutes.  I've seen it update quicker than that on occasion.

Think I see them now. Well, that strengthens the thesis of shorts being more jumpy than longs. Bulls are not down and out yet.



1136. Post 10893002 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 26, 2015, 02:24:11 PM
swap market is controlled by early adopters/bulls.

that's the reason why you need really big effort in order to squeeze them, because they have really big stashes of coins. but wait till some serious wall street money enters the game or some other early adopter exploits this opportunity. Cheesy

Do we know if Wall Street will be allowed to manipulate the BTC market in the way we have seen so far?



1137. Post 10893350 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 26, 2015, 03:18:51 PM
bears bulls are overly confident, wasting a lot of ammo trying to stop the take off stay above 250.


ftfy

too many bag holders, we are going nowhere, sorry. 

Lion King must get rekt!! Simba must die!!



1138. Post 10893496 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: barbs on March 26, 2015, 03:33:54 PM
Looks good to me - like organic moon IMHO

These price levels should make the 800$ bag holders happy

barbs as in barb wire, or Barbra?



1139. Post 10893520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Shorts are moving up again after that little drop earlier today.



1140. Post 10893631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 26, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
anyone know a place where i can leverage 50 million dollars 10:1?

lol



1141. Post 10893874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 26, 2015, 04:20:02 PM
Check http://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php

12m chart. Longs are going to crash again? Smiley

Why did you change your post? Are you not sure or don't you want to freak us out?



1142. Post 10894988 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 26, 2015, 06:16:49 PM
could we get sub100$ yet? just to get it over with ya know.

Nah, the price is right



1143. Post 10895175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 26, 2015, 06:35:58 PM
big hedge fund secretly approached a guy and took positions nobody is aware of.

well, fuck me, I better buy this.
no, you should short it.


now I am confused...

 Undecided

should I buy it, short it...or wire half a mil to bitfinex to push this to 260? please advise.

You know what to do.

Simba must get rekt!!



1144. Post 10895266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Was browsing through Coindesk and found this:





Truly brilliant!



1145. Post 10895282 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

$254 at finex

This is a weird looking crash



1146. Post 10895446 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: coinableS on March 26, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
BIT is live. No shareholders are desperate to sell even for $315. Bullish?

Really, BIT is live?? Anyone can confirm?   I'd expect to see a lot more market movement if it were true...

Well, we haven't crashed more. Yet.



1147. Post 10895599 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Jos-T on March 26, 2015, 07:26:55 PM
Highest bid on BIT is now 400 USD for a coin. And nobody is selling yet...

This does sound like good news, but there's a problem...

As the Twitter message mentions, people that have held their 'shares' for 12 months or more can now sell.
I cannot find how many BTC Grayscale holds, but it can never be a lot.

This makes for a problem, as the volume can never be higher than the amount of shares/BTC that has been held for more than 12 months.

This volume is probably not even 1% of the daily traded volume on current exchanges, which means at the moment this is still useless to institutional investors.

But would the next buyer have to hold as long?



1148. Post 10895820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Would be funny if that 100 at $50 bid gets filled.



1149. Post 10896074 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

bid side getting eaten away



1150. Post 10896576 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Would be interesting to send an e-mail to the real Jorge Stolfi and ask if this is his account. Most of "his" posts are designed to confuse. Rather than inform, which I thought was his aim.



1151. Post 10896639 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Cassius on March 26, 2015, 09:30:43 PM
Would be interesting to send an e-mail to the real Jorge Stolfi and ask if this is his account. Most of "his" posts are designed to confuse. Rather than inform, which I thought was his aim.

It is a sad state of affairs, but I believe it is the real Jorge Stolfi. I can only imagine what his students think of him spending so many hours on these forums.

Jeebus Creebus,

One thing is the hours. But the content? I don't mind people being critical of BTC, but he has nothing that sticks. He just drones away on lies and stupidity which has been rebuffed countless times. He should get a hobby. Join a marching band or something.



1152. Post 10896671 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 26, 2015, 09:35:08 PM

how many coins does BIT hold then? any signed address known?

Their financial report says they held 1,382,400 shares or 138,240 BTC as of Dec 31, 2014.


whoo i see..  USG 'licensed' stamp-approval magically legitimizing more paperwork.. Roll Eyes

Are you seriously saying that Barry Silbert and the Bitcoin Investment Trust don't actually hold the bitcoin?

which bitcoins? who holds what? does barry silbert holds BIT's bitcoins? i dunno. show the bitcoins before asking people to invest. this is ridiculous.

Just hope Tarmi doesn't let you down.




1153. Post 10897019 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 26, 2015, 10:19:45 PM
I love traps for todamoon-bulltards  Grin




1154. Post 10897109 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

LOL. You guys were shitting yourselves when we were creeping towards 255.



1155. Post 10897143 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 26, 2015, 10:46:57 PM
How cheap do these things have to get before all the miners find new jobs? This is taking forever Roll Eyes

We can still make a sha256 based shitcoin and mine the hell out of that.



1156. Post 10897182 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 26, 2015, 10:52:42 PM
How cheap do these things have to get before all the miners find new jobs? This is taking forever Roll Eyes

We can still make a sha256 based shitcoin and mine the hell out of that.

It won't be the same Undecided

I guess it's not the same challenge for you to troll adolescent shitcoin evangelists.



1157. Post 10897381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 26, 2015, 10:58:44 PM
How cheap do these things have to get before all the miners find new jobs? This is taking forever Roll Eyes

We can still make a sha256 based shitcoin and mine the hell out of that.

It won't be the same Undecided

I guess it's not the same challenge for you to troll adolescent shitcoin evangelists.

I'm actually one of the good guys I promise. I just sound like a troll Wink

That reminds me of the words of the late Sam Kinison: I don't want to come across as an asshole, but I am, so that's how it comes out.



1158. Post 10897418 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 26, 2015, 11:25:42 PM
How cheap do these things have to get before all the miners find new jobs? This is taking forever Roll Eyes

We can still make a sha256 based shitcoin and mine the hell out of that.

It won't be the same Undecided

I guess it's not the same challenge for you to troll adolescent shitcoin evangelists.

I'm actually one of the good guys I promise. I just sound like a troll Wink

That reminds me of the words of the late Sam Kinison: I don't want to come across as an asshole, but I am, so that's how it comes out.

Hmmm. Maybe I am a troll. I certainly have a number of defining troll qualities. The more money I lose the funnier it gets. I can't help it

That last one was just an apropos. It's the internet. You could be Kris F@cking Kringle for all I know.



1159. Post 10897721 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 26, 2015, 11:33:24 PM
How cheap do these things have to get before all the miners find new jobs? This is taking forever Roll Eyes

We can still make a sha256 based shitcoin and mine the hell out of that.

It won't be the same Undecided

I guess it's not the same challenge for you to troll adolescent shitcoin evangelists.

I'm actually one of the good guys I promise. I just sound like a troll Wink

That reminds me of the words of the late Sam Kinison: I don't want to come across as an asshole, but I am, so that's how it comes out.

Hmmm. Maybe I am a troll. I certainly have a number of defining troll qualities. The more money I lose the funnier it gets. I can't help it

That last one was just an apropos. It's the internet. You could be Kris F@cking Kringle for all I know.

I read somewhere that if you were to somehow watch Black Swan backwards Natalie Portman's character would be cured of lunacy by doing it with Mila Kunis...



Cool, then I'll get to punch Ashton Kutcher as well.



1160. Post 10897780 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 27, 2015, 12:19:26 AM

Cool, then I'll get to punch Ashton Kutcher as well.

Punk him back to that 70's Show. So he can think about what he's done!

lol

if only



1161. Post 10897805 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

$250!!!





1162. Post 10899863 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 27, 2015, 01:30:05 AM
Please open more longs bulls. Grin

SOON:



Then Bulltards:



Why can't bears play nicely?



Does it always have to end this way?



1163. Post 10900841 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Price must be going up soon. Bears are nasty as f.



1164. Post 10901150 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: mavericklm on March 27, 2015, 10:54:36 AM
Price must be going up soon. Bears are nasty as f.

price must be going down soon, bitchcoiners( Tongue) dream a lot!

case in point



1165. Post 10901283 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: magicmexican on March 27, 2015, 10:58:21 AM
Unfortunately its almost looks exactly like the last fake bottom @275 into the fail attempto to break 450. The further decline is most likely scenario at this point.

There are differences and there seems to be more consistent buying pressure here. I just don't know if it's enough. I would be more comfortable if the Twinkletossers could get something off the ground.

Edit: But it seems like bears both here and on whaleclub are getting impatient about the price not dropping.



1166. Post 10901293 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):


@Dump3er (can't quote you cause I think you are blacklisted by most)

Rocket pics are simply to keep spirits up. Some of us are stuck on this train.



1167. Post 10901360 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: shmadz on March 27, 2015, 11:29:47 AM
Unfortunately its almost looks exactly like the last fake bottom @275 into the fail attempto to break 450. The further decline is most likely scenario at this point.

Ouch, that is unfortunate! I opened a long position last night at 245  Undecided

I thought it looked like a nice firm bottom, not a saggy, droopy, fake one.  Cry

Where's all the real bottoms at Huh



You know where they are. Just open that browser you hid in some fake system folder.



1168. Post 10901587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 27, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
Unfortunately its almost looks exactly like the last fake bottom @275 into the fail attempto to break 450. The further decline is most likely scenario at this point.

Ouch, that is unfortunate! I opened a long position last night at 245  Undecided

I thought it looked like a nice firm bottom, not a saggy, droopy, fake one.  Cry

Where's all the real bottoms at Huh



You know where they are. Just open that browser you hid in some fake system folder.

You know about that? Shocked

No I don't. You are an uniquely brilliant individual.



1169. Post 10901993 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: empowering on March 27, 2015, 01:00:47 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Where the bloody fuck is my serving of DOOOOOOOOM?



Looks like someone messed up the order. Price won't budge.



1170. Post 10902648 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Ok, I see what you mean with ez. Ignore.



1171. Post 10902836 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 27, 2015, 01:57:37 PM
Western exchanges seem willing to crash again, but China not yet. Interesting, if the opportunity to crash will be missed, we may go up.

Ffffffffgggggfffffnnææøæhhh


me too.

then I see some buying going on and I am like...they are not really buying because this guy said we could go up?
Way to go keepin it real! Buddying up with sockpuppets to mock Tzupy. Lol



1172. Post 10904369 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: empowering on March 27, 2015, 04:58:34 PM
Subpar DOOOOM. Angry




Silly me, I really thought the bears knew what they were talking about this time.



1173. Post 10904385 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 27, 2015, 05:33:47 PM
and bulls...I would be seriously worried about those coins exiting darkcoin or whatever its name is now.

mixing is done. if monero is crashing too...well...evo coins incoming.

and those high interest rates for usd swaps arent helping neither.

The total trading volume for dark/dash for the last 7 days is ~10K btc and for Monero it's ~1,400 btc

Doesn't seem to me that this volume indicates evo coin washing.

The recent increase in price and volume of drk/dash does have some correlation with evo while for Monero it does not.

I think you can trade drk/dash on bitfinex, but not monero. There's more money on bitfinex than the alt exchange, which might explain it.



That makes it seem even less likely that evo coins are being washed as tarmi had eluded to.  If it is happening it is on a small scale.

of course it is happening on a small scale, because big pumps and big batches of coins moving around will more likely draw attention.

Then it won't have such an impact on price. Glad we sorted that one out.



1174. Post 10904985 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Afrikoin on March 27, 2015, 06:12:08 PM
I'lll go with this. Feel freee to slaughter me if it don't play out as below



It seems to be the general consensus that this pattern will repeat itself. I'm just thinking it has to stop somewhere. And I doubt it will go down to the summer of 2013 levels. Bitcoin is so much more now. I definitely think any hodler will regret bailing now unless they are watching the market like a hawk.



1175. Post 10905876 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

If the price stays stable much longer someone might actually consider using Bitcoin as a currency.



1176. Post 10906229 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

I'm loving this:

http://www.coindesk.com/british-banking-association-bitcoin-is-a-real-threat-to-banks/

Quick quote: "Bitcoin users can handle many of their daily payments needs themselves [.......] depriving banks of valuable payments revenue."

That is the language of someone who's a bit too comfy. When competition is seen as deprivation you know they're not prepared.



1177. Post 10906305 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: empowering on March 27, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
I'm loving this:

http://www.coindesk.com/british-banking-association-bitcoin-is-a-real-threat-to-banks/

Quick quote: "Bitcoin users can handle many of their daily payments needs themselves [.......] depriving banks of valuable payments revenue."

That is the language of someone who's a bit too comfy. When competition is seen as deprivation you know they're not prepared.

The banksters are depraved enough already

Bitcoin doesn't help in that department. Now we're all banksters.



1178. Post 10906485 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: empowering on March 27, 2015, 09:39:57 PM
I'm loving this:

http://www.coindesk.com/british-banking-association-bitcoin-is-a-real-threat-to-banks/

Quick quote: "Bitcoin users can handle many of their daily payments needs themselves [.......] depriving banks of valuable payments revenue."

That is the language of someone who's a bit too comfy. When competition is seen as deprivation you know they're not prepared.

The banksters are depraved enough already

Bitcoin doesn't help in that department. Now we're all banksters.


Do you know the story of Gerard Finneran?

=

The president of an investment banking company has been charged
with assaulting a flight attendant after being refused alcoholic drinks and
then defecating on a service cart in the first-class cabin.  The lawyer for
the executive, Gerard Finneran, said his client denies the charges.
Finneran, president of TCW Americas Development Inc., was arraigned
in federal court in Brooklyn Monday after the incident Friday on a United
Airlines flight from Buenos Aires, Argentina, to New York.

Finneran, 58, of Greenwich, Connecticut, is charged with intentionally
assaulting and intimidating a flight attendant and interfering with the
performance of an attendant. Finneran was released on a $100,000
personal recognizance bond. "He vigorously denies the allegations and
anticipates an early and favorable disposition of the matter," Finneran's
attorney, John Finnegan said, reading from a prepared statement. He
refused to comment further.

Finneran is a former executive with Citicorp and Drexel Burnham
Lambert Inc. and is considered an expert in Third World debt. While at
Citibank he managed the U.S. Corporate Finance Division and the Latin
American and Canadian investment banking activities.  TCW is an affiliate
of Los Angeles-based Trust Co. of the West. It is the general partner of
TCW Americas Development Association L.P., a funds invested in Latin
American debt and equities.

According to the complaint, Finneran began drinking alcoholic
beverages before the flight took off and continued during the flight.
Prosecutors alleged that the crew initially served him beverages but he
eventually started "getting up and serving alcoholic beverages to
himself."  When members of the crew told him to stop, he demanded they
serve him more drinks, and when one male attendant refused, Finneran
allegedly threatened to "bust his ass,"  the complaint said.

At the same time, another male attendant had been notified a passenger
was ill and went to the cockpit to get a first aid kit. On his way back to
the passenger, Finneran allegedly harassed the attendant and delayed
him from helping the sick passenger.

Prosecutors alleged that at another point in the flight, Finneran
approached a female flight attendant and demanded that she serve him a
drink. When she refused, he allegedly pushed her by placing both hands
on her chest, causing her to fall into one of the seats on the plane.  A
male flight attendant then entered the first-class section of the plane and
saw Finneran "with his pants and underwear down defecating on a
service cart used by the flight crew,"
the complaint said.  "Finneran then
used linen napkins as toilet paper and wiped his hands on various
service counters and service implements used by the crew," the
complaint alleged. "Finneran also tracked feces throughout the  aircraft."

In response, the captain of the flight, which was four hours from New
York, suspended all food and beverage service due to the possibility of
an infectious condition.

---






Let's hope there is less feces involved in decentralized depravity



1179. Post 10906827 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 27, 2015, 10:30:09 PM
I just have one question- Are the next 24 hours critical?

No the trend has been decided.




1180. Post 10906932 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 27, 2015, 10:46:02 PM
Predictions for the price in 10 years......




Go....




1181. Post 10907331 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Good luck to anyone trying to watch this page on mobile



1182. Post 10909331 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

This is the funniest flash crash ever.




1183. Post 10910326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on March 28, 2015, 10:04:09 AM
In a war of attrition, all you have to do is survive long enough and you'll win.

                   Zum Ewigen Frieden



               What could possibly go wrong



1184. Post 10910718 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 28, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
In a war of attrition, all you have to do is survive long enough and you'll win.


especially if you are bag holding from 260...



push it a little bit bulls, I am waiting for you.


Quick check: tarmi bleating, price up.

I am not sorry, I am thankful.

Thank you bulls.

                                            You're welcome!




1185. Post 10911955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Lots of sockpuppets. Maybe we'll get a move soon.



1186. Post 10913117 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 28, 2015, 04:43:07 PM
P.S. Record players and mono tube amps still rock.
What's your favorite power tube?
What's your favorite pre rube?
Type and brand.



1187. Post 10913570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 28, 2015, 05:27:24 PM
P.S. Record players and mono tube amps still rock.

Quote
What's your favorite power tube? Shuguang Treasure 300B-Z
What's your favorite pre rube? Sylvania 5U4GB & Brimar CV4004 / ECC83
Type and brand. PrimaLuna monoblocks <-affordable

Your questions open up a big canOworms as many have their own personal listening expectations. Ego's aside I can only comment on what I have experience with. If you have the means to explore your passion there are far greater options available.

PrimaLuna monoblocks
http://www.primaluna-usa.com/product-main/prologue-premium/prem-mono <- Toroidal Transformer Cheesy

Dared Saturn
http://www.dared.com.hk/download/product/167/Saturn%20Signature%20-%20Datasheet.pdf <-Toroidal Transformer Cheesy

Teresonic Reference 2a3
http://www.teresonic.com/amplifiers
http://dagogo.com/teresonic-reference-2a3-integrated-tube-amplifier-review


http://clearaudio.de/en/_archive/turntables-solution_master_reference.php
http://clearaudio.de/en/products/cartridges-mc-concerto_v2.php

Would love to give 300Bs a go. Currently I am running a Prima Luna Prologue 2 with Russian Gold Lion Kt88s, Telefunken ECC802S and 60s Grey Plate Mullard 12ax7. Alt setup is Sylvania Gold Brand 5814 and RCA 12ax7 50s black plates. The Gold Lions are getting a bit long in the tooth so I am considering giving the Treasure series a go. Wife hates all of this though.



1188. Post 10913790 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 28, 2015, 05:59:22 PM
P.S. Record players and mono tube amps still rock.

Quote
What's your favorite power tube? Shuguang Treasure 300B-Z
What's your favorite pre rube? Sylvania 5U4GB & Brimar CV4004 / ECC83
Type and brand. PrimaLuna monoblocks <-affordable

Your questions open up a big canOworms as many have their own personal listening expectations. Ego's aside I can only comment on what I have experience with. If you have the means to explore your passion there are far greater options available.

PrimaLuna monoblocks
http://www.primaluna-usa.com/product-main/prologue-premium/prem-mono <- Toroidal Transformer Cheesy

Dared Saturn
http://www.dared.com.hk/download/product/167/Saturn%20Signature%20-%20Datasheet.pdf <-Toroidal Transformer Cheesy

Teresonic Reference 2a3
http://www.teresonic.com/amplifiers
http://dagogo.com/teresonic-reference-2a3-integrated-tube-amplifier-review


http://clearaudio.de/en/_archive/turntables-solution_master_reference.php
http://clearaudio.de/en/products/cartridges-mc-concerto_v2.php

Would love to give 300Bs a go. Currently I am running a Prima Luna Prologue 2 with Russian Gold Lion Kt88s, Telefunken ECC802S and 60s Grey Plate Mullard 12ax7. Alt setup is Sylvania Gold Brand 5814 and RCA 12ax7 50s black plates. The Gold Lions are getting a bit long in the tooth so I am considering giving the Treasure series a go. Wife hates all of this though.

That is not a bad setup and should get you a nice listening experience. (Wife) Not many enjoy or consider that expressing oneself by listening/composing/playing to music, Dance, or Song is important.

She is a very accomplished professional musician. She just hates tubes.  Admittedly, she was home alone listening to music when the previous power tubes went 4th of july on her. So I have to find a tranny system for the living room.



1189. Post 10913961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

@Sitarow

I wonder if lambie is a real tubehead or if he's just hovering over Tubes Asylum and trolling there, screaming about distortion. Even better, trolling at the audio cable section.



1190. Post 10914028 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

A lot of shorting today for very little gain. I didn't believe they could get caught in a squeeze again, but this is starting to look interesting.



1191. Post 10914036 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 28, 2015, 06:47:06 PM
@Sitarow

I wonder if lambie is a real tubehead or if he's just hovering over Tubes Asylum and trolling there, screaming about distortion. Even better, trolling at the audio cable section.

Cheesy

Tho this is a nice center piece.


I'm getting one of those for the office. Those are sweet lookin.



1192. Post 10914063 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

I think lambie might actually be this dude:




1193. Post 10915654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 28, 2015, 10:39:55 PM
Tarmi, you so fine....


sneaky bulls are hoping to push this into rally with borrowed money (we are again at 24 mils) and on low volume. their best bet is some weak hand closing short positions that will push this into rally.

but I think they are overextended again and risking too much. even if we make it to 260 it's gonna be hard dumping again.


So when I see longs pretty much flat and shorts moving steadily upwards without much result, am I seeing it wrong?



1194. Post 10915789 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):






1195. Post 10915830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

@Dump3r

At least some care enough to lie about it.



1196. Post 10916071 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Dump3er on March 28, 2015, 11:40:05 PM
@Dump3r

At least some care enough to lie about it.

Plz post some rockets and put me on ignore again!  Angry



Right in the Dump3r



1197. Post 10917728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

24,5k shorts
24mill longs
hmmmm.....




1198. Post 10918540 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

dumpdy dump



1199. Post 10918743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):




1200. Post 10919323 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

hmmm... this could be interesting




1201. Post 10919680 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Waiting for next move




1202. Post 10919949 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

@Dump3r

We were told we had to visit $235 first, but you guys can't seem to get a move on.



1203. Post 10920129 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

@Dump3r

Got that covered "...mistakes were made", "...failure of imagination".

Edit: yeez, $246 on finex. It's like you don't even matter.



1204. Post 10920415 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):



FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!   FUD!




1205. Post 10920933 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: barbs on March 29, 2015, 02:55:09 PM
what is gentlemen? 100$?

There are no gentlemen, they got rekt



1206. Post 10920961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: barbs on March 29, 2015, 02:58:54 PM
Bitcoin is really internet money
- Whales become whales in early days, start selling bitcoin
- People think its cool and try to buy
- The whales owned all the noobs and laughed about it, 20, 30 times
- Whales will die alone

I'm from Norway. We hunt those mofos.



1207. Post 10921000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: macsga on March 29, 2015, 03:03:43 PM
Bitcoin is really internet money
- Whales become whales in early days, start selling bitcoin
- People think its cool and try to buy
- The whales owned all the noobs and laughed about it, 20, 30 times
- Whales will die alone

I'm from Norway. We hunt those mofos.

Give them hell brah! Tongue

Out of curiosity... I've been away, what's with all the up n down movement the last 24hrs? Yet another flash crash and flash pump or is it a new willy bot on the test phase?

flash crash, flash pump.



1208. Post 10922071 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: glorg44 on March 29, 2015, 05:02:39 PM
Today is the most boring day I've ever seen. Where are traders?




1209. Post 10922285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Blazin604 on March 29, 2015, 05:16:12 PM
Good morning my friends. Hope you're all well. This is an interesting read. Crypto is truly changing the game.

Shadow Motherboard Article:  



WTH Blazin!?! Stop pushing your "spices"!



1210. Post 10922530 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 29, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
Good morning my friends. Hope you're all well. This is an interesting read. Crypto is truly changing the game.

Shadow Motherboard Article:  



WTH Blazin!?! Stop pushing your "spices"!

Is this an example of a decentralized autonomous organization then? I'm still trying to wrap my head around that idea tbh

Until Mr.BlazinEscrow is hauled out of his mums basement and 150 000 "Motherboard"-Bitcoins are auctioned off by the feds.



1211. Post 10922582 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 29, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
Another silly traps for kids:)

People buying when price is rising 10cny haha noobs noobs bulltards.

They can't see what trend is which in trading is like being blind.

It's better to go down fast, because even if we rebound to 1550cny or more, dumps are coming.

I can't believe that people opening longs today (http://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php ).

If we break 1400, next stop could be even 1100-1200 (ofc few days scenario).

There's no serious support below 13XX till psychological 1000 and low 900! (look 12h 6h https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btcchina/btccny ).

So searching new yearly low in April is not impossible.



 
Wth is happening to all the bear traders around here. You used to be civil. Now you're laughing about "noobs noobs bulltards" and "silly kids". I've seen "Maшa и Meдвeдь". Bears are nice, wise and cuddly.



1212. Post 10923743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):


Any rocket aficionados out there know that this can only go one way




1213. Post 10924030 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

What the... Some volume shot up on the 30m on finex, but the price hardly moved. Was it an attempt at a dump?



1214. Post 10924044 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 29, 2015, 08:52:50 PM
What kind of dump is this? 2/10

this are actually bulls trying to convince you that we indeed hit the double bottom.

lel

So you can't get the price down even when bulls are dumping too?



1215. Post 10924093 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: madmat on March 29, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
Quote from: tarmi

wtf is that?


It's how I make 5 figures per month. If you don't understand, maybe read a book instead of talking yours.

I could make 5 figures per month and the recipe could be found in books ? I want to read them from now. Give me the title of these books. Please.

No irony here.

How's taxes for traders in France?



1216. Post 10924150 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: madmat on March 29, 2015, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: tarmi

wtf is that?


It's how I make 5 figures per month. If you don't understand, maybe read a book instead of talking yours.

I could make 5 figures per month and the recipe could be found in books ? I want to read them from now. Give me the title of these books. Please.

No irony here.

How's taxes for traders in France?

Between 24 and 45% of what you win.

Source: http://www.en-bourse.fr/fiscalite-trading/

ughh....

Edit: Would have loved to see some sun, but 45% is steep.



1217. Post 10924228 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on March 29, 2015, 09:05:57 PM
Here in the Netherlands I only pay 4% per year lol

Netherlands is a cool country, you sound like norwegians if I don't hear what you're actually saying. Threw me off balance once at Frankfurt Airport. Dude thought, for some reason, that I was dutch, and I thought he was speaking norwegian to me. It must have looked like a retard convention.



1218. Post 10924956 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: empowering on March 29, 2015, 10:21:05 PM
BRING ME THE DOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

They are working on it, keep your pants on.



1219. Post 10924979 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 29, 2015, 10:42:48 PM


lel

Lemmings is brilliant. When I feel lost, that's where I find inspiration.



1220. Post 10927285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: PeterB on March 30, 2015, 05:27:11 AM
ETA on next major rally?  Grin




1221. Post 10927972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on March 30, 2015, 08:06:54 AM
Longs increasing.
Things could get interesting this week.
My advice is to buy before we surge upwards.

I agree. Buy so my bitcoins will be worth more.



1222. Post 10928152 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.07h):

Quote from: fichtn12345 on March 30, 2015, 08:30:19 AM

is this confirmed?  Kiss

Yes, but it keeps resetting.



1223. Post 10931010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: inca on March 30, 2015, 03:20:48 PM
I don't know why you are asking these shrimps to provide doom. They have already long since shot their loads and have no ability to move the market. They are helpless, floating back and forth with each wave.

If tarmi could do anything other than squawk on here he would have done it long ago.

The longer the price fails to collapse the higher the short interest and swap rates creep. What he fails to mention is the run to 300 took place with low numbers of shorts.

Now there are 12k additional shorts opened between 270 and 236.

Cutting all the TA BS away on here the bitcoin market can be simplified to just: price leads sentiment. That's it. It doesn't matter how bearish traders are - one or two large market buys to devastate the ask side of the order book and 300 would fall quickly.

Keep shorting retail. Bitcoin was valued much higher than this for the entire preceding 12 months, but don't worry you know best because: 'lines on a chart'!



Lol, because Karpeles pumped it with Willy the bot using non existing dollars :-D



Excellent.

The only problems with this theory are:

1) no proof
2) China
3) the rally was driven by China
4) did I mention China?
5) China

But apart from that you got it!

Did you mention China?



1224. Post 10931435 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

@Dump3r
Yes, hurry up and get some bitcoins before they run out.



1225. Post 10934237 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on March 30, 2015, 08:52:56 PM

This. no point blocking people that actually add something.

Also, Norway, you can copy and paste the whole list in profile->ignore

These vast ignore lists just identify the narcissistic fools that populate this forum. If you exclude all opinion you don't agree with, for reasons you cant explain or understand, then you are no longer having a "discussion" but merely partaking in a circle jerk.

Some people have limited time to watch forums. They may want to focus on people whose input they know to be of value. And neither me nor you have much to offer SoullyG.



1226. Post 10934400 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: macsga on March 30, 2015, 09:08:03 PM

This. no point blocking people that actually add something.

Also, Norway, you can copy and paste the whole list in profile->ignore

These vast ignore lists just identify the narcissistic fools that populate this forum. If you exclude all opinion you don't agree with, for reasons you cant explain or understand, then you are no longer having a "discussion" but merely partaking in a circle jerk.

Some people have limited time to watch forums. They may want to focus on people whose input they know to be of value. And neither me nor you have much to offer SoullyG.

Why on Earth one who visits these forums want to read fluffy comments and silly Nazi pics about filthy Bitcoiners? I already expressed my opinion that the Newbie prison should be reinstated ASAP. There was trolling in this thread (and this forum in general) but nothing like this! Most significant users that used to be posting and be regulars here are now gone because of people like NLC and sockpuppets...

Ignore list is the antidote. Please apply responsibly. :)

??? What did I do?



1227. Post 10939070 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on March 31, 2015, 10:01:37 AM
Hmmm.... Bearish rising wedge?

15m, btcchina:





I'm really curious if this is rising wedge.. Imo looks like.

More to read: http://www.stock-trading-infocentre.com/rising-wedge.html

Sorry for quoting myself. But that post is proof (for anti-AT traders) that simple AT is not bs. It was easy to see.

For something to be proven as true it is not sufficient with a piece of evidence, or several pieces of evidence that supports a statement. It also needs to be resistant to being falsified/proven to be false. So to have any hope of claiming that this piece of evidence supports TA (I'm guessing by AT you mean TA) you have to at least present an explanation on what you expect from TA, or a theory or thesis.



1228. Post 10939082 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on March 31, 2015, 10:07:03 AM
Ah yes. Market maker is playing again on finex and okcoin... Couldn't be more obvious!  Roll Eyes

Starting to ask myself how quick can one of those exchanges become new gox.

What specific scenario is it you worry about?



1229. Post 10939196 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on March 31, 2015, 10:41:33 AM
The worst thing is that price is 100% manipulated by chinese exchanges.

Look at charts in various scales... It looks weird, not naturally...

Strange pumps by bullish flag, flat correction,  then dump, dump, then pump...

Obviously there's some pattern (look at 4h or 6h) but it's pretty new formation at btc chart.

I think IT MUST end up by the final big dump or big pump. Personally I think it will be dump.

Btw. Price fluctuations last days are really tiring for both sides: bulls and bears. Too much confusion and chart "raping"!

Market maker is mostly working on finex because it is the most liquid exchange at the moment. You can see how he is putting up those small ask walls and pushing the price down. Sure he is also manipulating on okcoin, since all small traders are looking those fake exchanges.

Personally I don't care which way we go because I don't have open position - waiting for the right moment to jump in.
I think people should really think about how stable are those exchanges and if it is worth having bitcoins or fiat there. When Gox started manipulating the price... well we all know what happened!

People shouldn't trade right now. Maybe few are making money...

Ah yes. Market maker is playing again on finex and okcoin... Couldn't be more obvious!  Roll Eyes

Starting to ask myself how quick can one of those exchanges become new gox.

What specific scenario is it you worry about?

There was price manipulation on Gox, with Willy or without it... Where is Gox now?  Wink

But there were withdrawal problems with Gox 8 months ahead of them going under, are there any with similar signs of malaise?



1230. Post 10939279 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on March 31, 2015, 10:51:22 AM
But there were withdrawal problems with Gox 8 months ahead of them going under, are there any with similar signs of malaise?

USD withdraws. Personaly I made last EUR withdraw from Gox in November. Withdraws for JPY worked till end of December if I'm right.
Anyway... It can happen really quick.

I guess so. After hearing the interview of the finex cso trading I got the feeling they might stumble a bit in the future. I definitely wouldn't keep much at finex.

http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2t3iz5/bitfinex_cso_phillip_g_potter_admits_to_trading/



1231. Post 10939318 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: tarmi on March 31, 2015, 11:01:12 AM
now it's finex' fault?

lel
What is?



1232. Post 10944040 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 31, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
can we get back to bitcoin price movement pls ?    Angry

pretty sure we have effectively stabilized bitcoin forever. price discovery phase is over, do what you will with this thread.




Lol

Adam spoke, brace yourselves for the plunge!

@Empowering did you get your DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM?



1233. Post 10950630 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: KryptoFoo on April 01, 2015, 10:01:00 AM

This should be the April's fool joke from Greek reporter... Smiley Hope it isn't though... Wink
Have a nice month everybody!

oh shit it's april fools. Hope this is not a bad joke.

Of course it's real. Today is a big day! I even read today that my home town will open a space port. Can't wait!



1234. Post 10950646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: madmat on April 01, 2015, 10:03:10 AM
HODL we are going up soon...



It looks legit



1235. Post 10951741 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: empowering on April 01, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Ou est la DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM?



ps My bum is more likely to start using Bitcoin than that article with the old cointelegraph (yanis varoufakis) picture on it being real.



Are you saying I won't get my spaceport either?



1236. Post 10956666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: Wary on April 01, 2015, 09:07:46 PM
Democracy is an oxymoron. Demo-cracy mean power of people, but power over whom? Over themselves? It makes no sense, like horse riding on itself.
In reality it's state having power over people. By force and deception. Police is the force, democracy is the deception. As for relations between judges and police, it may be true, but it  doesn't matter. They are parts of single entity: the state, and this entity is your collective owner. They are ultimate owners of your money, freedom and life. They can take it from you, if they decide to.

Hi again Wary,

But how would you suggest that society should arrange itself?



1237. Post 10957236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 01, 2015, 10:02:00 PM
you cant even dump like a man on this.



Just stick with it Tarmi




1238. Post 10957488 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: BitChick on April 01, 2015, 10:45:45 PM
how long am I going to have to wait??? huh?

Yesterday I was feeling bearish- VERY bearish.  I felt the most bearish I have ever felt.

I even went online and was looking for a high paying job.  Bitcoin was failing me.

Perhaps the fact a permabull like me was feeling this way is a true sign we reached full capitulation and we are finally on our way up?  

Hopefully the wait is over! Cheesy

If someone actually starts using this thingy we won't need capitulation.



1239. Post 10957528 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: Wary on April 01, 2015, 10:36:14 PM
Democracy is an oxymoron. Demo-cracy mean power of people, but power over whom? Over themselves? It makes no sense, like horse riding on itself.
In reality it's state having power over people. By force and deception. Police is the force, democracy is the deception. As for relations between judges and police, it may be true, but it  doesn't matter. They are parts of single entity: the state, and this entity is your collective owner. They are ultimate owners of your money, freedom and life. They can take it from you, if they decide to.

Hi again Wary,

But how would you suggest that society should arrange itself?
Through contract jurisdictions. Cancel territorial monopoly of states. States currently form a cartel, they divided all land (along with people that live on this land) between themselves. We should break this cartel, force them compete for us, the customers, and let us, the customers, choose (choose for themselves and themselves only). Any state should be able to provide their services to everyone, and everyone should be able to subscribe to services of any state, without relocating. Just like you subscribe to an internet provider.

Results of such arrangement:
-No "cracy". Nobody will have power over honest person. If your "protection provider" leans on you, you just go to their competitor.
-Fees instead of taxes. You pay not % of your income, but $ for services provided.
-"Save and protect" (i.e. police and judges) becomes real service, rather than hypocrisy.
-Apart from protecting you from thugs&crooks, no other services from states. They won't mess with health, education, currency, pension, religion, sex, marriage etc etc etc.
-States will be doing the only thing, but will be doing it much better than now, and much cheaper (as always happens when forced monopoly is replaced by free competition).
To see the scale of possible improvement, try to imagine how would it look if we were choosing boots the same way as we are choosing presidents: one size/shape/color for the whole country, elected from just two options once in 4 years. Smiley

tl;dr; Let market forces improve the states, like they improved other sides of life.

More details - in numerous ancap writings. Like old, but still good D.Friedman's "Machinery of freedom".

With states, are you talking about sovereign states or federal states (Like the states of the USA)?

And how does your system of changing "protection provider" differ from migration, and how is it achieved?



1240. Post 10957567 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: BitChick on April 01, 2015, 11:06:39 PM
how long am I going to have to wait??? huh?

Yesterday I was feeling bearish- VERY bearish.  I felt the most bearish I have ever felt.

I even went online and was looking for a high paying job.  Bitcoin was failing me.

Perhaps the fact a permabull like me was feeling this way is a true sign we reached full capitulation and we are finally on our way up?  

Hopefully the wait is over! Cheesy

Keep looking for that job. Bitcoin will not save you from needing to work for your money. If you don't think so, then that is a true sign the worst is still to come.

It isn't like I don't work, however, as a mostly "at home" mom I don't work full-time.  I do a real estate transaction here and there and some other side jobs.  I was just thinking of finding something more permanent and full-time.  It would actually put a strain on the family to do so though.  Another Bitcoin bubble would make things just a little easier.  I am sure I am not the only one on here that feels that way. Wink

I wouldn't mind it being a more sustainable trend than a bubble.



1241. Post 10957626 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 01, 2015, 11:10:06 PM
nice & slowly.



That does not sound like shnappy to me.

More stabby I'd say Angry

Tarmi seems frustrated. I think we all should be a bit more encouraging to him.




1242. Post 10957912 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

@Wary
Ok, thanks! I was really curious as to how you thought about these things. It seems like an interesting idea with a lot of the same obstacles as socialist anarchism, but from a completely different angle. Will be interesting to see if they can get any of the social experiments in South America off the ground.



1243. Post 10957970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: BitChick on April 01, 2015, 11:43:03 PM
how long am I going to have to wait??? huh?

Yesterday I was feeling bearish- VERY bearish.  I felt the most bearish I have ever felt.

I even went online and was looking for a high paying job.  Bitcoin was failing me.

Perhaps the fact a permabull like me was feeling this way is a true sign we reached full capitulation and we are finally on our way up?  

Hopefully the wait is over! Cheesy

Keep looking for that job. Bitcoin will not save you from needing to work for your money. If you don't think so, then that is a true sign the worst is still to come.

It isn't like I don't work, however, as a mostly "at home" mom I don't work full-time.  I do a real estate transaction here and there and some other side jobs.  I was just thinking of finding something more permanent and full-time.  It would actually put a strain on the family to do so though.  Another Bitcoin bubble would make things just a little easier.  I am sure I am not the only one on here that feels that way. Wink

I wouldn't mind it being a more sustainable trend than a bubble.

I think we will have a few more bubbles until we get to that point.  But what do I know?  I admit that I have been repeatedly surprised by BTC since when I first bought in 2013.

Depends on rate of adoption and who adopts. Wall Street can only get us so far. To quote someone I don't remember who: we can't all make a living cutting each others hair.



1244. Post 10965190 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

This thread is pure genious. It's like troll-flypaper. It's meta-trolling.



1245. Post 10969654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 03, 2015, 10:55:54 AM
Price goes down for 10$ and bulls demand silence, since its only a 10$ drop, nothing that value attention. Price goes up for 10$ and the same idiots claim bears to close their shorts.

The exchange price is above his alleged short entry.


say again you fag!

but this is nothing...I will see you in the underworld.

your Hades!

Poor Tarmi! I don't understand what gays or cigarettes ever did to you, but I understand that you are frustrated. I'm on my mobile but if someone could post a bear hug gif/meme that would be nice.



1246. Post 10969802 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 03, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
Price goes down for 10$ and bulls demand silence, since its only a 10$ drop, nothing that value attention. Price goes up for 10$ and the same idiots claim bears to close their shorts.

The exchange price is above his alleged short entry.


say again you fag!

but this is nothing...I will see you in the underworld.

your Hades!

Poor Tarmi!


I am not poor!

I am a king bear!



Lol! Simba must get rekt!!!



1247. Post 10972971 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: dreamspark on April 03, 2015, 05:32:52 PM
You speak in what if's with little knowledge of the subject or that mater what "miners" want. No alts for starters...  A larger block size would solve transaction limits as was the original intent.

Did you read the posts?

Adam wrote that it was so difficult to get consensus on even trivial changes like increasing block size, imagine on postponing the halving.  I just pointed out that the miners will have no monetary gain with larger blocks, but would have a huge one with the postponement.

Last time I checked, the top 4-6 miners had more than 51% and were all in China.  Do we know what they may want?  

Since that "attack" would not be risk free, the top miners will not want to risk it unless they have much more than 51%.  Also, if the price more than doubles before that, say 800 $/BTC by early 2016, they would probably regain a comfortable profit margin and may be happy with it.

But with the price at 800 $/BTC, on the other hand, postponing the halving would give them ~500 M$ of extra revenue per year...

Sorry but thats bullsh*t, if the block halving changed the price would crumble. So they would have no monetary gain at all. It makes no economical sense, you suggest that the miners could agree on it and everyone who pays their bills (the buyers) would just be like ah okay. Not gonna happen.

Edit: Lets also not forget that 51% is where it becomes possible, its still a hard thing to do and to pull off succesfully would likely require much more than that.

I might have fallen and hit my head, but I thought the 51% attack was related to transactions. To change the halving you would have to change the bitcoin client. Those "bad miners" would be mining an alt.



1248. Post 10973038 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on April 03, 2015, 06:06:33 PM
Do not panic bears!!

This is just the usual blip upward before this market resumes its march to oblivion.

Keep adding more shorts!!!

Remember:

"The price always goes back down"

I can't wait till we reach minus territory, that's where the real shorting starts.

To Hades!!!



1249. Post 10973175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.08h):

Quote from: D05GTO on April 03, 2015, 06:18:33 PM
It will be a small group of half a dozen miners, but it will have more than half of the global hashpower.

That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.   Even with Memristor technology it would take more than a small group to jam out the global hashpower.  There's billions in infrastructure and it would require trillions to topple.  Not worth the effort.  If you had trillions why bother with taking over the bitcoin hash, just buy most of it up and it's yours.
True, just rape the market and buy most of the coins. Much easier.

Hey!... Tarmi! Are you trying to take over Bitcoin?



1250. Post 10990184 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 05, 2015, 01:27:36 PM

DO NOT BE AFRAID TARMI




of what? of sneaky bulls that are trying to start something on eastern sunday?

no. they will fail miserably.
Cut your loose!!!



1251. Post 10994059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on April 05, 2015, 11:48:53 PM
Shorts rising, Longs flat.

26k shorts. Hmmm... things better go their way soon or they might freak out. In which case: ka-ching!



1252. Post 10996045 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on April 06, 2015, 04:57:54 AM
I start feeling that I care less and less about the daily changes in bitcoin price... I feel as though it won't matter in two years, because my coins (well, my 1/6th of a coin) will be worth at least twice what I bought them at ($280-ish). Now, I'm watching the market with not a care in the world. I feel a bit liberated. Time will tell if I'm wrong.
That's because we know now that there is a bottom to the price other than zero.



1253. Post 10996140 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on April 06, 2015, 06:58:30 AM


The bearwhale is close to waking up!!!!

Not so sure about that




1254. Post 10996772 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: inca on April 06, 2015, 08:34:13 AM
Bear whale needs to push this thing to below 100 for some fireworks to happen and more media attention before anything interesting will develop. 

A headline such as "Bitcoin goes from $1200 to below $50 and now back to $400" would bring a lot of attention.

Anything is possible xiaoxiao, but do you really believe the price will drop another 80% from here, just to let you buy in and make 10x your money? Markets don't work like that.

And if bitcoin did reach 50$ you would certainly would not want to buy.

When the price was 1200 and someone said would you buy coins at 160 or 250 next year you would have jumped at the chance, right? But now the price is down here all you can see is an opportunity to buy coins even cheaper. What is amusing is you then expect other people to suddenly buy it back up 10x so you can profit. Smiley



If BTC gains traction as a kind of linux for financial transactions then $50/$250/$1250 is cheap as peanuts. I know I'm beating on an old drum here but I am baffled by people who always wants ever cheaper coins. One of the few things that can crash this train is if prices go so far down that the infrastructure around BTC crumbles (I know that's an oversimplification of cause/effect, but you get the point). I'm not knocking on Tarmi or other's who wants BTC to "get rekt!", those are entirely consistent in wanting to crash the price.



1255. Post 10997207 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: LaudaM on April 06, 2015, 09:44:00 AM
If BTC gains traction as a kind of linux for financial transactions then $50/$250/$1250 is cheap as peanuts. I know I'm beating on an old drum here but I am baffled by people who always wants ever cheaper coins. One of the few things that can crash this train is if prices go so far down that the infrastructure around BTC crumbles (I know that's an oversimplification of cause/effect, but you get the point). I'm not knocking on Tarmi or other's who wants BTC to "get rekt!", those are entirely consistent in wanting to crash the price.
I think that the community shouldn't be focusing on the price so much right now. We should rather work on getting more people into Bitcoin. The adoption is just not there yet (not talking about merchants). We don't need people hoping on the train when a spike occurs and then jump off. The price can go pretty high easy. If 5M people hold 2 Bitcoin (in addition to the stash that Satoshi has and such) the supply would be much lower than the demand.

Well...

"Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion"

I'm sorry, the WO thread is the most off-topic thread there is, but I genuinely disagree with what you are saying. The train hoppers are here already, and more will come. Bitcoin needs to be robust enough to deal with it now. Not when "the community" thinks it is mature enough. A lot of people have invested in BTC and to brush them off is disrespectful to them and destructive to the whole project.

Working on getting more people into Bitcoin must involve finding and promoting plausible use cases. I will not recommend buying bitcoins to anyone outside this forum who doesn't understand the risk involved and/or doesn't need it. Purely stating that "If 5M people hold 2 Bitcoin (in addition to the stash that Satoshi has and such) the supply would be much lower than the demand" promotes a pyramid scheme way of thinking, and that is definitely not what we need. Those 5M 500M people should have a real reason to hold buy and use 2/5/10BTC.



1256. Post 10997287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: fonsie on April 06, 2015, 10:27:30 AM
nothing-better-to-do user

If only you had something better to do.

If Stolfi hadn't withdrawn to academia in '92 we would all still be exchanging floppy disks and people would still have phone tables.




1257. Post 10997310 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: LaudaM on April 06, 2015, 10:32:59 AM
Working on getting more people into Bitcoin must involve finding and promoting plausible use cases. I will not recommend buying bitcoins to anyone outside this forum who doesn't understand the risk involved and/or doesn't need it. Purely stating that "If 5M people hold 2 Bitcoin (in addition to the stash that Satoshi has and such) the supply would be much lower than the demand" promotes a pyramid scheme way of thinking, and that is definitely not what we need. Those 5M 500M people should have a real reason to hold buy and use 2/5/10BTC.
I'm not saying that people should be holding. I'm saying that they are. You should look around the forums more. The people around here see Bitcoin as an asset not a currency.
Did I just not say that we should bring more people to Bitcoin?

I've been following the price more closely in the past. The market isn't just as exciting as it used to be. In the last 6 months we've hit $400 only once. I only June/July 2015 would be the same as June/July 2014.

I clearly don't understand your original criticism then. Nor do I understand your reply to my retort.



1258. Post 10998116 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: LaudaM on April 06, 2015, 12:10:23 PM
I clearly don't understand your original criticism then. Nor do I understand your reply to my retort.
I guess that I did not express myself correctly. What I've been trying to say here is something that I've been saying for a while now.
People should be less focused on the price. The issues is that people panic easily and only look at Bitcoin in $ or some other currency. Bitcoin will work be it at $1 or $1000. Just look at the infrastructure development that happened in 2014 and that is happening now in 2015.
Don't get my wrong, I'd be glad if the price went up. Although a spike wouldn't be desirable, steady growth is much better.

People will be interested in Bitcoin for different reasons, and I am glad this forum reflects that.



1259. Post 10998148 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Erdogan on April 06, 2015, 12:34:40 PM
Seen over the last few days on finex, are there lots of hidden buy orders? The bid to ask curve is slightly downwards sloping, but we have seen that megasells hardly move the price downwards. To me it looks like something new.



It sort of looks like someone is taking advantage of shorters who don't see that the market is turning. However, if it's not a concerted effort, that might backfire.



1260. Post 10998398 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on April 06, 2015, 01:07:07 PM
After obama allow state to confiscate all Cryptos holdings without any warnings  Cry what did you through about the
future of bitcoin globally and in America ?? Will the price shut down  Undecided ??

Kind Of Respect ,
Bitcoin Boy .

How does this differ from any other financial asset, apart from the governments inability to intervene directly?



1261. Post 10998748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: inca on April 06, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
Yep, its just nothing but another chinese wash volume bulltrap to force more longs before a dump, 135-160$ range is an obvious ultrasolid support.

Short then.

Lol (they are pissing their pants)



1262. Post 10998772 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Erdogan on April 06, 2015, 01:53:17 PM
Seen over the last few days on finex, are there lots of hidden buy orders? The bid to ask curve is slightly downwards sloping, but we have seen that megasells hardly move the price downwards. To me it looks like something new.




yes, bulls are so weak that are trying all kind of tricks to fool the market.

if it were a legit buy support, there would be no need to hide it.


Or - the big guns are sniffing on the market, wanting to get in but afraid to move the price too early.


If they keep slurping up the cheap coins until sufficient buy pressure accumulates from elsewhere they will reap the greatest reward and the upward movement will have more legs to stand on.

Edit: I just hope they have deep enough pockets to keep at it. I am shellshocked from 2014.



1263. Post 10999518 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

inca is like anti-tarmi



1264. Post 10999577 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Cassius on April 06, 2015, 03:20:38 PM
I don't get it. Surely it would be better to have waited longer after Paycoin to release the next scam coin.

Not if you're dealing with idiots



1265. Post 11001479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on April 06, 2015, 06:01:04 PM


The bearwhale is close to waking up!!!!

^^^^

We're five bucks down. Get a grip.



1266. Post 11002189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 06, 2015, 07:12:09 PM
Good afternoon Bitcoinland (and haters and trolls too).

Just got home from Saturday night to see we're still chugging along in the $250s.

Seems that the haters have become so desperate they've taken to spamming lame altcoins in a feeble attempt to undermine support for Bitcoin.

Amusing in a pathetic sort of way.

So, when we gonna sqeeze them shorts, Jimbo?



1267. Post 11002765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Dump3er on April 06, 2015, 07:23:27 PM
Good afternoon Bitcoinland (and haters and trolls too).

Just got home from Saturday night to see we're still chugging along in the $250s.

Seems that the haters have become so desperate they've taken to spamming lame altcoins in a feeble attempt to undermine support for Bitcoin.

Amusing in a pathetic sort of way.

So, when we gonna sqeeze them shorts, Jimbo?

Yeah Jimbo, when fatty and you gonna squeeze all the shorts? Huh




1268. Post 11002791 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 06, 2015, 08:00:30 PM
http://fortune.com/2015/04/06/nike-cio-bitcoin/

Hey look at that, another top exec making the move to a BTC start-up.


edit: But bitcoin's going nowhere amirite trolls?  Roll Eyes



Seen lots of this from you lately. Guess you decided to short and now you're underwater?



1269. Post 11002901 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 06, 2015, 07:33:01 PM
Good afternoon Bitcoinland (and haters and trolls too).

Just got home from Saturday night to see we're still chugging along in the $250s.

Seems that the haters have become so desperate they've taken to spamming lame altcoins in a feeble attempt to undermine support for Bitcoin.

Amusing in a pathetic sort of way.

So, when we gonna sqeeze them shorts, Jimbo?

LOL I don't squeeze shorts. I prefer women who wear lingerie. I'll leave boxer and speedo squeezing to NLC.

Oh, you mean pressuring negative Nellies who can't afford to try to drive the price down without borrowing bitcoins because Mommy and Daddy won't give them a big enough allowance?

Sorry, I don't do that either. I'll just patiently wait for the next real dip to buy some more coins.

 Cool

Just messing with some jumpy shorters. Nah, you and I won't bother them. Guess they're OK then? Hmmpffff.....





1270. Post 11003431 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

BAM!

2K buy on finex



1271. Post 11003437 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: KFR on April 06, 2015, 09:25:28 PM
so we begin the descent to 100.

was about time.



Excellent timing as ever. Tongue

lol



1272. Post 11003740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: inca on April 06, 2015, 09:48:46 PM
lel

another 500 k added.

25,392,128.49 USD


those delusional fuckers still buying on leverage.



Shorts at 27300..

Deluded shorters keep adding..new ATH

Holy moly, this market is going to snap someones back unless things cool down soon.



1273. Post 11003805 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 06, 2015, 10:01:14 PM
Other exchanges barely moved. It was just our desperate underwater bitfinex bullwhale adding to his losing position.





He will be remembered for his Bravery and Kindness.




Just watch out so you don't end up with one of these:



We need our tarmi



1274. Post 11003834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 06, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
BAM!

2K buy on finex

That was big long opened. One big long won't change the trend but can be trap for blinded bulls.

After 2014 I celebrate every victory. Real or imagined.



1275. Post 11003935 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 06, 2015, 10:09:54 PM
lel

another 500 k added.

25,392,128.49 USD


those delusional fuckers still buying on leverage.



Shorts at 27300..

Deluded shorters keep adding..new ATH

Ofc short are rising but the true problem is big number of longs. Most of them are at serious -.

http://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php

~25m $ in longs and ~6.9m $ in shorts...

I think 210-220$ is crash of part of longs. Below 200$ is longs holocaust.

Shorts can be squeezed at 300-350$ but it's much harder than longs crash.

Longs crash it's just a matter of time - look at 6m or 12 long/short chart.

Shorts get jittery way before 300-350.They seem to have a crisis of confidence. Or maybe shorts are carried out by more experienced traders with stricter risk management strategies. Longs seems to be opened by either less experienced traders or traders with deeper pockets. But so far, their stubborn insistence on going down with the ship has helped keep the ship afloat. So who will bail first? Bubba or Gekko?

VS



1276. Post 11004189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

This is a strange time for shorters to double down. If we`ve got whales munching up cheap coins, wouldn`t it make sense for them to suppress the price and just let it bounce when they`re finished? (I know, wishful thinking. But still...)



1277. Post 11006462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 07, 2015, 06:16:55 AM
Ready for some price movement!

Up or downGrin

Ofc DOWN.

Bulls are so stupid here, cannot even argue properly.

Their bull "logic" is "we'have 260$?" -> "280$ in few days" "we'have 275$?" -> "320$ it's just a matter of time" etc etc.

This is logic type "i want more" and "it will rise anyway". LOL

More than 80% bulls here is worthless to read and should be on ignore if someone don't want to read junk empty bull hype posts.

BTW. If anyone talk about longs and shorts please count in $ both.

Behave, we need a cuddly bear



1278. Post 11006773 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 07, 2015, 06:55:44 AM

Any reasons? Or is that just a typical emotional beartard knee-jerk reaction?

I'd love to hear a logical reason why you think that "ofc" it will go down.

Ball's in your court.

Reason? Analysis of formation, volumen and few indicators.
But this is too much for bull brain, i know. Smiley

Yeez, I know it isn't fun to lose money but you don't have to lash out like this. Besides, we told you it would go up, so what are you crying about? Man up Sir!



1279. Post 11007698 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 07, 2015, 09:49:35 AM


I know that you don't know what any formation and indicator is.

drinking? because i'm not blind bull?

welcome to ignore again :-)

lol,

Try sharing some of those lines, formations and indicators. Don't go full tarmi. We already have one of those.

(Then again, if JimboToronto is ignored I guess I am too)



1280. Post 11012399 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 07, 2015, 10:46:03 AM
https://www.tradingview.com/s/bitcoin/?sort=recent
dyor

btw. chat at tradingview about btc is great place if you trade with brain (=analysis)

chessnut's and danv's at last time are pretty accurate
ofc you can find also bullish at now like always but there's much more premises to go down.

look at btcchina 15m - rising volume with dropping price, clearly distribution.
the guy with 500k$? long at finex is joke. We saw similar spikes right before price went down.
i don't say price will crash today or tomorrow but it's easy to see that this is another bulltrap very likely.
slowly downtrend with many mini bulltraps is what we can see now.
Maybe with final dump. the sooner, the better to go faster up imo.
Right now there's an army people holding btc and holding opened longs and they must believe that we're going higher.
they think that they're in accumulation phase:) because they're always buying when price rose lol.
usually that's the point when distribution is starting:)

Thx, nice to know who to watch. Been watching whaleclub on and off and people seem to see head and shoulders, reverse head and shoulders, support and resistance all over the place.



1281. Post 11012501 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Only 9k volume on finex. Where are the dumps?



1282. Post 11012711 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: macsga on April 07, 2015, 07:10:40 PM
Only 9k volume on finex. Where are the dumps?

in vacancy (eurozone vacancy, popes and others rabbits eggs ...)

There's no chance we see any dumping during Easter time. Only Easter eggs and bunnies! Grin
PS:
I'm no TA expert but it seems like we're going sideways for a couple of days. Then, definitely up.

How is bunnies laying eggs not the work of Satan?



1283. Post 11013276 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 07, 2015, 07:51:15 PM


I know that you don't know what any formation and indicator is.

drinking? because i'm not blind bull?

welcome to ignore again :-)

lol,

Try sharing some of those lines, formations and indicators. Don't go full tarmi. We already have one of those.

(Then again, if JimboToronto is ignored I guess I am too)

https://www.tradingview.com/s/bitcoin/?sort=recent
dyor

btw. chat at tradingview about btc is great place if you trade with brain (=analysis)

chessnut's and danv's at last time are pretty accurate
ofc you can find also bullish at now like always but there's much more premises to go down.

look at btcchina 15m - rising volume with dropping price, clearly distribution.
the guy with 500k$? long at finex is joke. We saw similar spikes right before price went down.
i don't say price will crash today or tomorrow but it's easy to see that this is another bulltrap very likely.
slowly downtrend with many mini bulltraps is what we can see now.
Maybe with final dump. the sooner, the better to go faster up imo.
Right now there's an army people holding btc and holding opened longs and they must believe that we're going higher.
they think that they're in accumulation phase:) because they're always buying when price rose lol.
usually that's the point when distribution is starting:)


Wink

...

so you are saying that this mini downtrend from 300 is very similar to the one we had for a year from 1200?

impossible bro, this thing is about to skyrocket!

Brought a tear to my eye



1284. Post 11013702 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: rolling on April 07, 2015, 08:46:01 PM
Sorry, I had to make one more comment on Leo

LeoCoin is a joke. I have to say I only spend a short time on reading about it, but everything smell about LeoCoin...

The 2 promoters, are former scammers in a pyramid-scheme... The website does not explain much about the improvements, its still not clear to me... and they reward people using the coin in an pyramid-like-scheme... Maybe they use an anonymity function that is 100%?? but still the coin smell of fraud! Sorry to say...



Thank you captain obvious.



I love the internet



1285. Post 11013808 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: bassclef on April 07, 2015, 07:41:12 PM

https://www.tradingview.com/s/bitcoin/?sort=recent
dyor

btw. chat at tradingview about btc is great place if you trade with brain (=analysis)

chessnut's and danv's at last time are pretty accurate
ofc you can find also bullish at now like always but there's much more premises to go down.

look at btcchina 15m - rising volume with dropping price, clearly distribution.
the guy with 500k$? long at finex is joke. We saw similar spikes right before price went down.
i don't say price will crash today or tomorrow but it's easy to see that this is another bulltrap very likely.
slowly downtrend with many mini bulltraps is what we can see now.
Maybe with final dump. the sooner, the better to go faster up imo.
Right now there's an army people holding btc and holding opened longs and they must believe that we're going higher.
they think that they're in accumulation phase:) because they're always buying when price rose lol.
usually that's the point when distribution is starting:)

If you trade with a brain you won't be frequenting tradingview, whaleclub or any other group for that matter, you'll be reading and studying the market on your own. If those guys were making consistent money they wouldn't need to promote themselves to attract a following. And I can guarantee you those guys already know how to trade, set stops correctly, and read the market as it comes at them allowing them to avoid their own advice if it turns out to be false (which is often, no analyst is perfect). The poor lemmings who listen to them will be stuck in poor positions as the market turns against them, not knowing what to do, so they invariably hold, hoping and wishing (and trolling) that the market will come back to them. Eventually they get emotional and let go at the worst possible time. This is how the market eats newb traders.

Don't bother with 15m analysis. We are in an accumulation phase, at least on the longer term (months). They happen after capitulation at market bottoms. A long term distribution will occur at some point in the future, but not until after a strong bull market. Dec-Feb 2013/14 was the big distribution phase after the 2013 bull market. Accumulation generally takes longer than distribution, and we are nearing the final phases of one now started in January. Either bears get their wish and the market shakes down to $200 again before takeoff, or we blast off upwards through spring and summer. It's anyone's guess at this point. In the event of a shakeout many longs (who have proven to be well-capitalized) would continue to hold and more shorts led by dumb money would be opened, only to run for cover on the reversal. In the event of a blast off, the shorts would still run for cover and many more would be opened above $300 only to be destroyed by a new bull market, which always follows an accumulation phase (of course the dumb money does not know this). This is why there are so many well-funded long positions, probably some professional money there. Shorts are the weak hands in both scenarios.

Personally, with the difficulty the market has had selling of recently, my vote is for the blast off. It'll happen just like every other bubble: Supply is removed from remaining weak hands via capitulation, market fails to continue downward as demand is back in control, and price floats up for a few months before gaining steam into a parabolic move. Then distribution and another bear market as all the weak hands who bought at the top bail again, then accumulation and another bull market. Rinse and repeat.

During the late 2013 bull run I kept an eye on some of these sites simply because they seemed to mirror the market more than predict it. And it seemed as though some of the pumps were the self-fulfilling prophecies of TA. But dealing with TA reminds me of one of my professors at uni who said:  "It's very important to learn about, and understand, logic [as a philosophical discipline]. It's the only way you will truly understand how utterly useless it is."



1286. Post 11014148 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 07, 2015, 09:41:02 PM
inca and LFC

back 2 back


Hey my only disagreement with you tarmi is speculation related.

There is no place for child pornography on this forum.


it's not about child porn on this forum, but on the blockchain.

Are you really defending this creepy child pornography obsessed freak?

And no I don't give a shit it has been uploaded in an unreadable form to 99.99999% of the population. This isn't about censorship this about morals.

This is a Bitcoin price speculation forum.


no, I am defending his right to talk about things that you bitcoiners find uncomfortable.

it does not matter if it is unreadable, but rather available.   




1287. Post 11014487 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: gentlemand on April 07, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Wow, the market has been remarkable slow (boring) for the last few days. You can tell by number of people, who forgot they are in wall observer thread.

This thread has, er, mutated somewhat. If you want an old school experience then maybe try the first few pages with all of the numbers blanked out.

It's sort of a troll-asylum now. We keep them busy so they don't bother the proper folks.



1288. Post 11018270 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 08, 2015, 08:26:35 AM
I often wonder how many of the people who want the price to go down wish it for genuine reasons to them, to pick up more coins or for trading purposes & how many are just trolls who are bitter, angry, jealous whatever about being too late to the party or just genuine haters wanting something to fail & to see people lose money & get financial problems.

There are people out there who like to bother other people. They might just as well be successful at what they do, have beautiful partners and not a worry in the world. But they are a-holes. We can't rid the world of a-holes. With regard to this forum, I think there are plenty more a-holes out there than paid shills. I hope I didn't get too technical.



1289. Post 11018417 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 08, 2015, 09:42:36 AM
I often wonder how many of the people who want the price to go down wish it for genuine reasons to them, to pick up more coins or for trading purposes & how many are just trolls who are bitter, angry, jealous whatever about being too late to the party or just genuine haters wanting something to fail & to see people lose money & get financial problems.

There are people out there who like to bother other people. They might just as well be successful at what they do, have beautiful partners and not a worry in the world. But they are a-holes. We can't rid the world of a-holes. With regard to this forum, I think there are plenty more a-holes out there than paid shills. I hope I didn't get too technical.

I suppose we all just want to make money & I have to begrudgingly respect any proper bears like tarmi that are successful at what they do.

I have no respect for the trolls & socks though that probably don't even own 1 BTC.
They're the ones that annoy me, they shouldn't even be here.

I wouldn't count tarmi out of the aforementioned category.



1290. Post 11018636 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

We have movement

Edit: 250 is about to fall

Edit 2: 250 is gone



1291. Post 11018657 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: coinpr0n on April 08, 2015, 09:29:43 AM
Not asking for too much but a little bit of a drop would be nice right about now. See if I can score a good deal before the pressure is too high.

Empty your pockets



1292. Post 11018671 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 08, 2015, 10:18:02 AM
@fatman

Yes and this is direction of which most of posting here didn't accept any message. As always.

Keep your pants on. Wait until we're below 230, then you can kick my corps.



1293. Post 11018729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Yeez, they're squirting a lot of coins at this.



1294. Post 11018814 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 08, 2015, 10:30:34 AM
This is good prediction:

https://www.tradingview.com/v/wJL2vnJY/

and Chessnut and Danv. Really accurate last weeks.

Who's who?



1295. Post 11018913 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 08, 2015, 10:43:05 AM
wanna close your underwater longs after a small pump and on no volume?

china does not care! they fuck you!


never forget the bull that bought 2 k of coins at 255, all on margin. may god have mercy on his soul.

So that one hurt, did it?



1296. Post 11020197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

@Empowering

Is this the doom you were looking for?



1297. Post 11020624 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

@hdbuck

Then you know what to do. Go all in leveraged.




1298. Post 11020658 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Torque on April 08, 2015, 01:51:45 PM
- snip -

So easy for whales to "paint the tape" when there are no other big players in the market, lol.

It took them 15k on finex alone, so I wouldn't call it "easy".



1299. Post 11020805 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: hdbuck on April 08, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
- snip -

So easy for whales to "paint the tape" when there are no other big players in the market, lol.

It took them 15k on finex alone, so I wouldn't call it "easy".

thats peanuts for people that used to mine 1k/day.. with GPUs.. Wink

Perhaps, but back in the bear market it only took 2-5k to initiate much bigger drops.



1300. Post 11020980 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 08, 2015, 02:14:45 PM
- snip -

So easy for whales to "paint the tape" when there are no other big players in the market, lol.

It took them 15k on finex alone, so I wouldn't call it "easy".

thats peanuts for people that used to mine 1k/day.. with GPUs.. Wink

Perhaps, but back in the bear market it only took 2-5k to initiate much bigger drops.

We're in Schroedinger's market right now. We don't really know if this is already a bull-market, again. Right now we're still in the bear-mareket, as well. We need a breakout to confirm the bull market.
I have to tease him a bit. He`s so proud and stuff..



1301. Post 11021083 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 08, 2015, 02:16:19 PM
I'll just have to make do with Mocha-Java. Mmmm.
That one almost got you on ignore, Buster!



1302. Post 11021173 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on April 08, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
My ignore list keeps growing. All the Leocoin scum is on there now too.
Are those for real? I thought they were all jokes. Even lambie had to create a new sockpuppet just to explain he was joking.



1303. Post 11021243 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.09h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 08, 2015, 02:47:06 PM
I'll just have to make do with Mocha-Java. Mmmm.
That one almost got you on ignore, Buster!

LOL You don't like Mocha-Java with it's fine balance of of Yemeni chocolatey richness and Indonesian acidity?

Maybe I could try kopi luwak but I'm afraid it would taste like shit (palm civet shit that is).

 Cheesy

You are really pushing it with that fancy coffee japping! Coffee is black and tastes like piss and coal, and that should be enough for anyone!



1304. Post 11023546 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 08, 2015, 03:04:51 PM
Coffee is black and tastes like piss and coal

Well, my beer of choice is Guinness Extra Stout and some people think that tastes like piss and coal, but it's much too early for happy hour and beer doesn't contain nearly enough caffeine for this early in the morning (11:00AM Toronto time).

Besides, I soften my joe with 18% cream. Now you've got me resisting the urge to use a little non-dairy coffee sweetener.

I will not add Bailey's... I will not add Bailey's... I will not add Bailey's...

 Tongue

WTH! Guiness Extra Stout is for cooking! I am beginning to think you and I won't see eye to eye on this.



1305. Post 11023647 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: macsga on April 08, 2015, 06:48:54 PM
Buy all the bitcoins you can, and you will get rich next week.

I'm already rich (sentimentally). Grin
Who cares about being rich in fiat money? Besides, don't forget: 1BTC=1BTC. Wink

I guess that's some comfort in Greece nowadays



1306. Post 11024491 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: inca on April 08, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Perhaps we could have that list in a sticky post at the top of the speculation forum.

Alternatively, I would be happy to pay the hosting costs and register a domain if someone did the leg work setting up the forum software for an alternate site.



It would probably be easier to open a competing WO thread on this forum and moderate it yourself.



1307. Post 11024732 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Dump3er on April 08, 2015, 08:26:36 PM
Permabulls are creating their own refuge. C'mon bulls, todays pricedump was not so hard. I know it humiliates you when trolls are trolling and price is falling at the same time what was most often the case last time...

...but don't take it so derp. We love you  Cheesy

ahhh.... thx!



1308. Post 11024784 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Dump3er on April 08, 2015, 08:32:56 PM
Perhaps we could have that list in a sticky post at the top of the speculation forum.

Alternatively, I would be happy to pay the hosting costs and register a domain if someone did the leg work setting up the forum software for an alternate site.


Oh c'mon I'm on the list,  am I a shameless troll too now? lol

 Lips sealed

If the cap fits..but seriously you shouldn't be on that list Smiley

The dump3er neither should be on the list!!!1one

Oh dear!, it really hurts to see my name on such a list  Cry

Oh my!
But you do tend to dump huge logs in peoples faces.



1309. Post 11024829 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 08, 2015, 08:35:54 PM
Almost 27 millions longs

Almost an infinate money supply!

Not sure if you`re just messin, but the cow starves while the grass grows.



1310. Post 11025712 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: inca on April 08, 2015, 09:45:52 PM
Whats the next major support level after $240-$242?

$235-$236 ? then $228?

We get it, you are short. No need to push it Damiano.

Also those three chartists you mentioned are just following the trend. They (perhaps correctly) will continue to predict the price is going down until the exponential trendline is broken. How many chartists predicted the last two bubbles? Smiley
If he believes we're going down I don't see the problem. WO must be open to others than retards like you and me who can only make money on bubbles.



1311. Post 11025790 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 08, 2015, 10:28:12 PM
Whats the next major support level after $240-$242?

$235-$236 ? then $228?

We get it, you are short. No need to push it Damiano.

Also those three chartists you mentioned are just following the trend. They (perhaps correctly) will continue to predict the price is going down until the exponential trendline is broken. How many chartists predicted the last two bubbles? Smiley
If he believes we're going down I don't see the problem. WO must be open to others than retards like you and me who can only make money on bubbles.

I enjoy reading and researching TA on both sides of the spectrum.  There needs to be a balance of both bears and bulls within this thread.  The trolling on the other hand is difficult to tolerate (I don't have anyone on ignore) occasionally nlc will post something that will make me laugh. 


None on ignore? You really are a Hero Member.



1312. Post 11027587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 08, 2015, 09:30:41 PM
Almost 27 millions longs

Almost an infinate money supply!

Not sure if you`re just messin, but the cow starves while the grass grows.

I'm not convinced at least by one bit that this cow bear is starving.

I suggest you read up on posts by chessnut, RyNinDaCleM & masterluc.  They seem to have a good grip and understanding of how things are playing out. 

No, no. I'm the cow. I need some rockets.



1313. Post 11030273 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Am I the only one who thinks that 242 isn't quite the doom we were promised?



1314. Post 11030854 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: dreamspark on April 09, 2015, 11:57:37 AM
I just turned .2 into 20 btc, a x100 on crave in the last 2 weeks and its still going up.  Cool

Your post is bad and you should feel bad Angry

Apologies I feel terrible. Um, not. Infact I just worked it out properly its more like .2 into 35btc. Feeling great actually.
I have to agree with MajorHardOn. That is really annoying.



1315. Post 11031285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 09, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
We have buyers on stamp... Cool

My target is $2700 so I hope someone will buy at finex as well.



1316. Post 11031343 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: empowering on April 09, 2015, 01:01:33 PM
people are slowly exiting bitcoin as ethereum release approach

They are?
I guess you could use ether points as a currency. In the same way my father used spoons as screwdrivers.



1317. Post 11031403 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on April 09, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
What's going on here, gentlemen?  Is the rocket trip still on?


Minor issue with linear fusion plasma core - it's developed an intermittent inductance that's causing a field mismatch.. Looks like a simple external redirection will put her back on track. No worries!

I was wondering why the ITER site has a launchpad.



1318. Post 11031573 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 09, 2015, 01:19:32 PM
Is $235 considered doom nowadays?  Huh Huh

You would think, since we touched this level 3 times in the past month alone, the bears would just give a shrug instead celebrating like we're at penny BTC already...


about doom....I really dont care, just >


THAT'S what capitulation looks like!



1319. Post 11032003 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 09, 2015, 02:14:43 PM

THAT'S what capitulation looks like!


not exactly.

my version of the real capitulation would be guys calling for 911 and mama, talking shit here about the worst investment ever & not calling bottoms anymore.

Come to think of it: if The Bear King capitulated wouldn't that mean we would reverse into a bear market? I'm so confused.



1320. Post 11032369 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 09, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
Is $235 considered doom nowadays?  Huh Huh

You would think, since we touched this level 3 times in the past month alone, the bears would just give a shrug instead celebrating like we're at penny BTC already...


about doom....I really dont care, just >


THAT'S what capitulation looks like!

Not here, not now.  Also volume would be a lot higher. 

Bid side is very weak as well, although it could be bulls trying for a trap.  I still think were heading lower.

sry, was just carried away by his tiny semi-admission.



1321. Post 11032393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: dreamspark on April 09, 2015, 02:55:27 PM
What a joke, moderator deletes comments mentioning any alts yet lets sock puppet after sock puppet post rubbish all day long.

This is the thread where mods troll users. Haven't you noticed that moderators turn into overdrive whenever we get closer to a round page number? This is the bitcointalk zoo.



1322. Post 11033001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

@dreamspark

I see you got my post deleted. I'm guessing you're either american or german since there seems to be some irony deficiency at play here. Let me spell it out for you: I thought what you achieved was very impressive. Good on you!



1323. Post 11033882 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: dreamspark on April 09, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
@dreamspark

I see you got my post deleted. I'm guessing you're either american or german since there seems to be some irony deficiency at play here. Let me spell it out for you: I thought what you achieved was very impressive. Good on you!

Lol I didn't get it deleted, if you look above I was moaning that our posts were deleted. I understood, I didn't mean for what I was saying to come across like that, context, irony and sarcasm are often lost on the internet. Oh and I'm English. Thanks!

wth?

That's some weird moderating.



1324. Post 11034452 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 09, 2015, 04:22:42 PM
Crazy Bitcoin Girl seems pissed off.



She's one sick puppy. But you have to watch.



1325. Post 11035348 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 09, 2015, 06:16:11 PM

alot of what she says makes sense but shes takes it to the next level for entertainment purposes. her videos are all pretty fucking intense, always fun to watch.

They're intense because she's a poet and writes much of her work as semi-poetry and perform them as poetry. She means every word though. I saw her in an Alex Jones video and some video about the Bilderberg conference, and it's... I can't take it seriously. Funny thing is she's an anarchist, but she seems pretty determined to boss people around.



1326. Post 11035534 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 09, 2015, 07:36:08 PM

alot of what she says makes sense but shes takes it to the next level for entertainment purposes. her videos are all pretty fucking intense, always fun to watch.

They're intense because she's a poet and writes much of her work as semi-poetry and perform them as poetry. She means every word though. I saw her in an Alex Jones video and some video about the Bilderberg conference, and it's... I can't take it seriously. Funny thing is she's an anarchist, but she seems pretty determined to boss people around.

I take it you've been poppin the irony supp's lately?   Grin

qe?



1327. Post 11035685 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 09, 2015, 08:01:19 PM
Who is afraid of the big scary asks on finex.

Smiley

It reminds me of yesterday just before the 7k coin dump.

The bids were stacked up in huge walls towering over a flatland of asks. It might have appeared to a beginner that the price was about to soar up.

Instead it dipped by $10.

Now it's the other way around. The asks tower over the flat bids. It just proves how unreliable the order book is as a prediction tool.

It could go either way.


I bet 10k bitcoins for 2.6mil$ can be super deal for some people! They will come around Wink

OR

It takes one early adopter who has 30k+ bitcoins to risk 10% of his stash... send it to finex and go max long. Any candidates?  Grin

Yes I agree. Please save us!



1328. Post 11036705 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 09, 2015, 09:23:29 PM
Nothing like a slow grind down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x9p5yyUPjc



1329. Post 11036968 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

I'm tired of this. Can't we just agree that a fair price for now is $860? I can live with that.



1330. Post 11038930 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Guess I'd better lube up just in case.



1331. Post 11039067 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 10, 2015, 04:45:44 AM
So we going down again?

idk stamps is showing some pretty nice bids...

feels like 241. higher low



You can't trust any order book

Stop teasing! When you gonna push this mofo up? I am in despair, so we're ready now.



1332. Post 11039825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

This is weird. Where is the volume? We should be troll central by now as well. Instead ChartBuddy is ruling Da House.



1333. Post 11039974 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 10, 2015, 07:20:57 AM
This is weird. Where is the volume? We should be troll central by now as well. Instead ChartBuddy is ruling Da House.

Support at 236 is strong. We touched it 4 times in the last 15 days. Bears should begin to close their shorts.

It means that it's not strong and it's falling partly. Look there's only 2.2k btc to 235$. This is fucking nothing.
Few h ago it was 4k to 235$. Look how weak are bids at finex.

We're at moment when best holders (not daytraders but mid/long players) think about sell because main support is melting.

What I am getting at is: we had a 3k dump followed by crickets. Neither bear or bull cared enough to react neither here or at the exchanges. I have seen despair before. It's a friggin goth fest.



1334. Post 11040028 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Wekkel on April 10, 2015, 07:07:48 AM
This is weird. Where is the volume? We should be troll central by now as well. Instead ChartBuddy is ruling Da House.

We are slowly getting to desperation. Best time to buy is when Chart Buddy rules the pages.

I've been there since October. It's not so bad.



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1336. Post 11040872 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: coins101 on April 10, 2015, 09:31:30 AM
PayPal merchants can now accept Bitcoin?

Wow. That's news.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/321pb3/paypal_just_filed_this_document_to_the_sec/

edit

Key words here:

"....digital currencies such as Bitcoin..."

Chaps....world domination is upon us. Hold on to your beer (and the boobs).

PayPal doesn't have a mobile hardware phone offering, so while Apple Pay, Microsoft and Samsung all jump into mobile payments, PayPal needs to do something different.

Options.

1. Add Bitcoin and start pissing off Visa and MasterCard, and the above. That's not so bad for PayPal because it back's onto people's bank accounts. In theory PayPal could wipe out Coinbase, while also propelling Bitcoin into the mainstream.

2. PayPal could try to buy a hardware unit, if Blackberry wasn't such a basket case it could have been RIM. But why bother? PayPal is currently unique in that it connects to people's bank accounts. Until Apple, Microsoft and Samsung switch to doing this, PayPal and Bitcoin are a natural fit for PayPal's competitive advantage.

I'd be buying Bitcoin and PayPal stock at this point.



Just jump onboard

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/accept-mobile-payments



1337. Post 11041093 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

I'm starting to feel like this guy



This is not the way it was supposed to go



1338. Post 11042713 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Torque on April 10, 2015, 01:02:35 PM
... don't understand the point of rapidly destroying price and consistently causing so much price volatility that bitcoin will never be widely adopted as a result ... who cares if you have more of something when you're actively decimating the price of the thing and driving people away from it in droves ? ... seriously ... it's like the whale manipulators don't want anyone else to have any coins period and don't care how badly the price needs to be crushed to accomplish this ... the market cannot sustain several $5-$10-$20-$50 drops daily forever ... finex being pummeled the worst at the moment ...

People always talk about how whales dump on good news, because they want to assure that they are in a good position when the price subsequently rises on said good news.

But this never made sense to me, as there is no guarantee price will rise and also dumping would have the opposite effect on the public's view.

So my theory is Occam's razor --- someone has serious motivation to squash the price on every good news announcement, in order to continually drive the price down and the public away.  Most bitcoiners believe that someone deliberately dumping to keep the public away is a preposterous notion, as they say it would be too costly to continue to do so.  Well I don't believe that, at all.  For a decently funded operation (say a world bank?) it wouldn't take much $$ on a yearly basis to do so.

/tinfoilhat

I wouldn't worry about whales not making money. If you control the market there is plenty of opportunity to make money. But the price needs to be at a point where other peoole want to trade. So they pull it down. The problem for Bitcoin is that it is at all possible for a small group of whales to move the price like this. With other commodities like steel or cement their utility isn't affected by the price. But bitcoin becomes less useful if the price swings violently. Even more so if the main direction is down. It is a serious weakness with Bitcoin, but it also shows why shitcoins don't have much of a chance to catch up.

This text is written on a shitty Huawei Android, so don't beat me up about it.



1339. Post 11042966 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on April 10, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
It seems we are ready for takeoff



Enjoy the TA

HAHAHAHAHA

what a...



1340. Post 11043088 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: dakota neat on April 10, 2015, 01:59:51 PM
work harder, useful idiots. i have to fill my bags at 220s.
Yeah! And I have bag of nuts for them bears as well!!...what?.....who?......are we winning?

I'm not good at this taunting thing



1341. Post 11043215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: gizmoh on April 10, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Monkey says high probability it goes up from here intraday.  However, the daily chart is weak, with no serious resistance down to 126.
 

Monkey goes bearlusional  Cheesy
If I had a chance I would spank his monkey!!.....hey?....what?.....it's happening again.



1342. Post 11043288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Sitarow on April 10, 2015, 02:16:13 PM
Since the trolls are back in full force, here's my updated ignore list with instructions on how to add it to your own (kindly provided by macgsa)!

http://pastebin.com/gRNVBfsN

Instructions for Newbies:
Go to Profile
Then Ignore user options

Copy and paste the above names into that magic box.

Presto!
No more trolls!  Grin

It seems you have my name on it which is incorrect, I am what they call a bulltard, not a troll. Please Fix.

I agree fonsie is too colorful with out the acting so true Smiley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lmw-zG-BuI

I would probably recommend macsgas list instead. That list would make a newbie feel quite lonely.



1343. Post 11043346 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 10, 2015, 02:25:12 PM
Looks like okcoin is down

That seems to happen every time we're at some treshold. If they're not doing it on purpose they should upgrade their servers or change host. It's not very reassuring.



1344. Post 11043720 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 10, 2015, 03:04:11 PM
Shorts are going up again

and longs are down

no wonder price went down...

I'm on this shitty mobile. What's the numbers now, long and short?



1345. Post 11043804 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 10, 2015, 03:13:56 PM
Shorts are going up again

and longs are down

no wonder price went down...

I'm on this shitty mobile. What's the numbers now, long and short?

26,070,445.02 USD

27,356.31 BTC

as of April 10, 2015 - 05:13:46 PM CEST.

Thx. At least that's something. But someone will have to squirt some real money in this market to get a short squeeze. Piling on top of those longs will send us bungee jumping.



1346. Post 11044342 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 10, 2015, 04:06:59 PM
i'm never buying a bitcoin again. this is clearly the end of bitcoin. its remarkable 230 is holding, but not for long, soon it will crash 30% in 1 hours time.



You're normally a contrary indicator. Hmmmm....




1347. Post 11044631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: 12345mm on April 10, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
i feel depressed. this price is depressing. the fact that it will go even lower is also fueling more depression feelings, thinking about 26M in longs all getting squizzed crashing price 30% in a hour makes me want to puke. this is the beginning of the end, this is bitcoins last breath, this is not gentlemen

i wish i had never learned about bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general / that this horrible evil thing didn't exist ... i think satoshi might be the anti-christ and bitcoin may be the mark of the beast ushering in the apocalypse ... if you think about it if the anti-christ were to come he'd come in the form of a faceless Xillionaire overlord with a cult of followers ... so ... yeah ... i feel more and more suicidal every day since i discovered bitcoin 2 years ago ... and this is coming from someone in the black ... i wish the whole thing would just fucking implode with satoshi selling his million coins and bringing every exchange to 0 ... then i and everyone else could just move on with our lives ...

When you become filthy bitcoin rich you should hire an editor to make your posts readable.

Edit: No offense intended



1348. Post 11044878 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Torque on April 10, 2015, 04:39:33 PM
All that money flowing into Bitcoin is just awsome  Cool

It's not flowing into Bitcoin.  It's flowing into businesses that make money on Bitcoiners.

Just like smart people who invest in casinos aren't investing in gambling, but rather in businesses that make money from degenerate gamblers.

Yeah, but they (Bitcoin businesses) better realize that if bitcoin becomes a passing fad and falls out of favor because price keeps getting pummeled into the ground, then they'll be out of business too before they know it.

It's like a stock exchange with only one company trading.  If the company folds, so does the exchange.

I've said a couple of times that these businesses and their investors should go together to form a BTC stabilization fund. Not to decide the price range, but to keep manipulators from destroying bitcoins utility by manipulating these violent price swings.



1349. Post 11045056 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: gentlemand on April 10, 2015, 05:09:02 PM

I've said a couple of times that these businesses and their investors should go together to form a BTC stabilization fund. Not to decide the price range, but to keep manipulators from destroying bitcoins utility by manipulating these violent price swings.


That would set them up for accusations of trying to draw people into a totally rigged market. The best thing they can do is build the tools to make Bitcoin an essential part of many, many more lives.

Organic and necessary buying power is what would eventually command the market. If that doesn't arrive then it's better to leave it to the hoarders and bots to die.

It would only be "rigged" as long as they have the clout to do so. But by the time they don't, manipulating whales shouldn't be able to set the tone either. Bitcoin is already being accused of being "rigged". Rigged to f u in your b. Not the best message if you want mainstream adoption (unless you want hipsters to adopt bitcoin).

Edit: I see you changed your post a bit while I was fumbling my fat fingers across the keyboard, but I'll just leave mine as it is and move on.



1350. Post 11045183 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Sitarow on April 10, 2015, 05:13:42 PM
Meanwhile lets have a look at chinese wash volume regular


Some consider that a market maker.

I have that douche (ez) on ignore, but can someone teach him some other trading related terminology than "chinese wash volume". Even the occasional repost is getting on my nerves.



1351. Post 11045346 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Moria843 on April 10, 2015, 05:25:00 PM
For BTC to gain it's going to take some large company to say "all we'll accept is BTC or cash" or some real "killer-app" that no one has even dreamed about yet. If Target or some company that got burned would say "we don't want to keep your personal info and only accept BTC or cash" then we would see BTC go up. Don't know if that will ever happen???

Maybe Factcom is the killer app?

I honestly think that BTC might get a hefty push upwards, both in price and profile, if clearing houses start using them in their systems. They move a ton of money at a hefty cost and are heavily incentivized to make use of bitcoin, not just "blockchain technology".



1352. Post 11045377 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Sitarow on April 10, 2015, 05:33:58 PM
Meanwhile lets have a look at chinese wash volume regular


Some consider that a market maker.

I have that douche (ez) on ignore, but can someone teach him some other trading related terminology than "chinese wash volume". Even the occasional repost is getting on my nerves.

OK Smiley

Quote
"DEFINITION OF 'MARKET MAKER'
A broker-dealer firm that accepts the risk of holding a certain number of shares of a particular security in order to facilitate trading in that security. Each market maker competes for customer order flow by displaying buy and sell quotations for a guaranteed number of shares. Once an order is received, the market maker immediately sells from its own inventory or seeks an offsetting order. This process takes place in mere seconds.

INVESTOPEDIA EXPLAINS 'MARKET MAKER'
The Nasdaq is the prime example of an operation of market makers. There are more than 500 member firms that act as Nasdaq market makers, keeping the financial markets running efficiently because they are willing to quote both bid and offer prices for an asset."

Thx, let's just hope we won't get two months of "market maker" up, down and sideways now.



1353. Post 11045601 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 10, 2015, 05:46:29 PM
For BTC to gain it's going to take some large company to say "all we'll accept is BTC or cash" or some real "killer-app" that no one has even dreamed about yet. If Target or some company that got burned would say "we don't want to keep your personal info and only accept BTC or cash" then we would see BTC go up. Don't know if that will ever happen???

Maybe Factcom is the killer app?

what is the most appealing thing about bitcoin?
the fact that it is a ghost outside the machine that cannot be controlled by any one government, bank, or corporation.
as governments and banks around the world fail in whatever way, poeple will get burnt ( bail ins, maybe? wtv SOMETHING will happen ) this will  piss them off, and then they remember that bitcoin thing stands apart from this corrupt system, and see that it was unaffected by the gov or bank's failings and or corruption. They will finally understand why decentralization is so important. Then everything changes.

sadly it looks like bitcoin will implode on itself b4 any of this happens

This reminds me of The GNU Crowd vs The Open Source Crowd in 90s linux. Yes, all these properties need to be maintained, but keeping the big players out is not the way forward.



1354. Post 11046472 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Bu-friggin-hu!!! We wave the white flag now. Can we get this mofo confirmed so we can get on with the bull market, please?



1355. Post 11047172 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on April 10, 2015, 07:44:40 PM
#6 He's already an intelligent and successful individual, with all immediate needs and desires met. He has the understanding that moving or selling his coins could kill off the experiment while in its infancy. The principle and idea is worth more to him than a yacht filled with prostitutes.
If he dumped his coins in a bull run, the worst thing that could happen is that we drop down to $250 for awhile. Those coins wouldn't be a concern, people would track him down and take pictures of him in his yacht with them hoes.. nothing more. Bitcoin doesn't need the myth anymore.



1356. Post 11047197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 10, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
Bu-friggin-hu!!! We wave the white flag now. Can we get this mofo confirmed so we can get on with the bull market, please?

Care to elaborate? Maybe on a chart or something. Love getting to know more "obscure" TA indicators and patterns. The way I see it, it's a bear-fest Sad
No. With my "extensive" knowledge of the market, brevity is key.



1357. Post 11047454 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Dump3er on April 10, 2015, 08:24:28 PM
Bu-friggin-hu!!! We wave the white flag now. Can we get this mofo confirmed so we can get on with the bull market, please?

Care to elaborate? Maybe on a chart or something. Love getting to know more "obscure" TA indicators and patterns. The way I see it, it's a bear-fest Sad
No. With my "extensive" knowledge of the market, brevity is key.

You did not even visit my level 1 course "Introcducing in Market Analyses and Dumping" and claim "extensive" knowledge of the market. You trickster!

Shhhhh! I'm trying to trick them dumping bears!



1358. Post 11047622 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: samson on April 10, 2015, 08:47:31 PM
What will you all be saying when we're trading in the $1xx range ?
Flowers are purdy, flowers are purdy, flowers are purdy, etc



1359. Post 11047871 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: samson on April 10, 2015, 08:47:31 PM
What will you all be saying when we're trading in the $1xx range ?

LOL, I checked what I wrote last time!

Quote from: Fatman3001 on January 14, 2015, 09:49:13 AM
I see someone had fun when I was gone. Woke up to day 1 after the Apocalypse.

I hope we all agree now: TO DA BLIMMIN, FUDDLING... MOOOOOON!!!!!!



1360. Post 11048022 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Norway on April 10, 2015, 09:25:28 PM
What will you all be saying when we're trading in the $1xx range ?

LOL, I checked what I wrote last time!

I see someone had fun when I was gone. Woke up to day 1 after the Apocalypse.

I hope we all agree now: TO DA BLIMMIN, FUDDLING... MOOOOOON!!!!!!
Ha ha & lol! Skål Fatman!

Skål tilbake! Så får vi håpe skuta snur snart!



1361. Post 11048189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: macsga on April 10, 2015, 09:38:02 PM
Skål!!!!
You Northmen drink too much... (I kinda jealous TBH) Tongue

Skål!!!



1362. Post 11048342 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Norway on April 10, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
What will you all be saying when we're trading in the $1xx range ?

LOL, I checked what I wrote last time!

I see someone had fun when I was gone. Woke up to day 1 after the Apocalypse.

I hope we all agree now: TO DA BLIMMIN, FUDDLING... MOOOOOON!!!!!!
Ha ha & lol! Skål Fatman!

Skål tilbake! Så får vi håpe skuta snur snart!
Yes, but we should write in english 95% of the time, so we don't get ignored. And yes, I hope the tide turns. I put more than I can lose in bitcoin  Grin

It will, it will. I can't imagine anything else. If 5% of the developments in the Bitcoin ecosystem from 2014 catches on, we will be riding the wave past $1000 soon. These chart-nosing day traders forget that there is some really valuable utility backing up the price. And a security network unlike anything ever thought of before.

"....bitcoin miners now have 13,000 times more combined number-crunching power than the world’s 500 biggest supercomputers." - The Economist.

This mofo will take off, big time.



1363. Post 11048781 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Norway on April 10, 2015, 10:31:41 PM
What will you all be saying when we're trading in the $1xx range ?

LOL, I checked what I wrote last time!

I see someone had fun when I was gone. Woke up to day 1 after the Apocalypse.

I hope we all agree now: TO DA BLIMMIN, FUDDLING... MOOOOOON!!!!!!
Ha ha & lol! Skål Fatman!

Skål tilbake! Så får vi håpe skuta snur snart!
Yes, but we should write in english 95% of the time, so we don't get ignored. And yes, I hope the tide turns. I put more than I can lose in bitcoin  Grin

It will, it will. I can't imagine anything else. If 5% of the developments in the Bitcoin ecosystem from 2014 catches on, we will be riding the wave past $1000 soon. These chart-nosing day traders forget that there is some really valuable utility backing up the price. And a security network unlike anything ever thought of before.

"....bitcoin miners now have 13,000 times more combined number-crunching power than the world’s 500 biggest supercomputers." - The Economist.

This mofo will take off, big time.
I couldn't agree more. My personal estimates of future value are based on calculations I did comparing other currencies with bitcoin and the role it can play as a global currency Wink
I saw that. It's just hard to grasp the future scope of this technology at the moment.
I remember I got a bit fed up with the linux community in the 90s because, well they were quite rude to newbies, but mainly because they genuinely thought they were going to take over the desktop market with their unpolished glitchy GUI and people would just have to educate themselves in how to use terminal, cause that was the best way to do things(?!?!?!). I thought they had lost the plot.
But behind the scenes people started running apache on outdated machines on linux with great success. Any problem was quickly addressed by enthusiasts who liked to show off their programming skills, and by the end of the 90s much of the internet ran on linux. Now almost all of the internet runs on linux.
That's the kind of development I expect from bitcoin. Yes, some "normal" people will adopt it because they have needs or interests which makes Bitcoin worth the effort, or they are simply enthusiast nutters. But much of the big movements will be behind the scenes, smoothing out the speed bumps and lowering costs for financial institutions and large corporations.



1364. Post 11048820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: damiano on April 10, 2015, 11:08:44 PM
Perfect setup for a weekend crash

Don't say that!

I was just now looking at jan 7 to jan 13 on finex and comparing them to april 6 to april 10.

I think it will be ok if we just don't talk about it.



1365. Post 11048961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 10, 2015, 11:33:05 PM
Crave:






hahahahahahah

lmao

BUY ALL THE CAVECOIN

That's probably dreamspark dumping some shitcoins



1366. Post 11049275 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Norway on April 10, 2015, 11:39:32 PM
...
...
It's true that Windows and Apple kept controll over desktop solutions all these years (Except for Android (Linux) and chromebox / chromebook).

But I think bitcoin will be the "desktop solution" for money in a few years. For instance, I don't think remittance services hiding bitcoin from sender and receiver is the best solution. It's better to do it like in Thailand. Very easy to convert bitcoin to bath. On every corner with ATMs, Seven Elevens or mini marts. That way, people in receiving countries can choose to keep the bitcoin they receive from relatives abroad, spend them on the local market for vegetables and fish, or exchange to bath on the nearest Seven Eleven.  Wink

Sure, but most people don't use remittance services.

One market where bitcoin could take off is payments for digital content. Most parents would not feel comfortable with their childrens GooglePlay account or iTunes account being linked to their credit card. Yet, kids hardly buy toys any more. Toy shops are as rare as record shops nowadays. Kids want tablets and gaming consoles. And they want content for those.
Paypal/Braintree is already opening up bitcoin payments for digital content. Microsoft US allows you to fill up your account with BTC for digital content. Eventually Apple and Google will follow. Soon parents will be able to pay part of the kids allowance in btc, either directly to a service of their choosing, or to a bitcoin wallet where the kids can choose themselves which ecosystem they want to squirt their money into. That might sound like peanuts, but if you do the math that's a substantial market.

Convincing regular adults in rich countries to use BTC rather than VISA/Mastercard is a uphill battle. First of all, it will be quite a while before the price of Bitcoin is such that most people would be comfortable with using it. Second, very few shops charge extra for card use. They can save a lot more by having better flow and fewer employees due to card use. Just think back to the 80s when everyone paid cash. Cashiers even packed your shopping bag while you were fumbling around to find that one coin you knew was in there, so you wouldn't have to break a hundred note. Not to mention that people are a bit sentimental about money. Scandinavian countries can't even convince their people to use the euro.

However, if ApplePay starts accepting BTC I have this feeling that people would love to flash their shiny new golden iPhone every time they paid, and perhaps they would be more comfortable with filling that account with BTC rather than leaving that last bit of their life in apples hands as well.

Ok, tired now. Must go to bed. Guessing you will read this in the morning anyway. Good night!



1367. Post 11050989 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: shmadz on April 11, 2015, 02:47:07 AM
Crave scam was obvious.

I'm skeptical that any of these pos coins will ever work out.





The argument for PoS is flawed. The miner centralization issue is not as cut and dry as it is made to appear. If a pool doesn't manage its imagined power responsibly the miners will flee quite quickly. The security is really maintained by thousands, not 5 or 6 entities as proposed by PoS advocates. And these are thousands who know where their responsibility lie. That someone owns a lot of coins of something doesn't mean that he/she is dedicated to maintaining the networks integrity. Not to mention the risk of the network being hijacked by a large entity in a price slump. If you need physical HW in place at least you know there is a physical limit to how quickly/cheaply power can shift.



1368. Post 11051475 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: inca on April 11, 2015, 06:51:48 AM
Just 2000 coins before we go below 230

8600 coins before sub 200.

One click of the mouse, and king bearwhale can throw bitcoin into oblivion.

<snip>

Price drops twenty dollars and suddenly we are close to oblivion says someone who has predicted 0 of his last 20 sub 100 calls correctly.



Yes, oblivion. Because Bitcoin is a mirage. It's a plaything for day traders. Who could possibly consider it a serious investment?

 http://www.coindesk.com/state-of-bitcoin-q1-2015-record-investment-buoys-ecosystem/



1369. Post 11051485 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: alani123 on April 11, 2015, 07:00:54 AM
Just 2000 coins before we go below 230

8600 coins before sub 200.

One click of the mouse, and king bearwhale can throw bitcoin into oblivion.

<snip>

Price drops twenty dollars and suddenly we are close to oblivion says someone who has predicted 0 of his last 20 sub 100 calls correctly.



Have you yet to ignore this troll? Tongue

He's not a troll, he's just upset because he missed out on the last bubbles. And to justify himself he's setting himself up to miss out on the next bull market.



1370. Post 11051538 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: alani123 on April 11, 2015, 07:08:12 AM
He's not a troll, he's just upset because he missed out on the last bubbles. And to justify himself he's setting himself up to miss out on the next bull market.

The vast majority of his posts seem like nonsense to me. Hence why he's ignored.

No problem. I doubt it will get better.



1371. Post 11051920 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

I was kind of expecting this today:



Where's tarmi, hdbuck and sky[vly?]?



1372. Post 11052444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: inca on April 11, 2015, 09:12:23 AM
This whole setup still feels a bit manufactured. A huge long position slowly built, yet bull whales didn't push higher at 300 or 260 when it was easy to force shorts to capitulate or manipulate the technicals. At the same time as that position is accumulated, retail / technical momo traders are shorting bitcoin to new highs.

Things could go either way. But some huge news and a pump to end the bear market and wipe out retail - shorting something heavily after an 85% decline - wouldn't surprise me.

As usual things will look very obvious with the benefit of hindsight..


It always does. I wonder if we will rub it in their bear noses if it turns our way.



1373. Post 11053650 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: gentlemand on April 11, 2015, 12:29:13 PM
Have we found the bottom?

Big news this coming week to take us to 300?
What big news?

I can't foresee much on the horizon in the immediate future. GBTC trades above market would be significant but bureaucracy seems to be delaying that for a while yet.

Beyond the confidence given to BTC by regulators, which should already be priced in, what would "GBTC trading above market", within its closed loop system, really mean for BTC in general?



1374. Post 11054130 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: xingming on April 11, 2015, 01:21:18 PM
I think i will loose my confidence in the price , even after Paypal accepting Bitcoin , the
price still dumping  Huh , anyone have a good news please  Cry .

My respect ,
Xing Ming.

Well, I'm pretty sure it can't drop another $1000. But then again, it's Bitcoin.

Seriously though, 2014 saw an explosion of Bitcoin related businesses and initiatives. It just takes a bit of time for startups to gain traction.



1375. Post 11054239 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: bitditzy on April 11, 2015, 01:51:58 PM
I think i will loose my confidence in the price , even after Paypal accepting Bitcoin , the
price still dumping  Huh , anyone have a good news please  Cry .

My respect ,
Xing Ming.

It is Saturday here, the price will go up, as manipulators need a day off to spend the money they make off us.  Is that good news?

No good news for Bitcoin I'm afraid. Only despair, bears, trolls and a ton of sockpuppets. Which makes me wonder... Why all the hassle? Why all the fuss? Maybe I must SODL and put ma monay in tha BANK... cause SAFE?! Undecided

Think we shouldn't loose the hope for Bitcoin price , but we are now on the front of a big problem ,
Bitcoin doesn't mean only the price , have other adventage , our actually stats may be caused
by Banks creating a war on Bitcoin  Undecided

- Xing Ming .

Could the market be responding to the immanent Russia ban?  

Doubt it. Kreml has been dancing this dance for a while now. Most of those russian bitcoin businesses flagged out a long time ago.

Sad really. Russia has lots of talents, but anyone who tries to do something gets hit over the head.



1376. Post 11054776 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: EpStROM on April 11, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
Let's hope for $240 today.

Don't need $240. This mofo better shoot up like a scolded cock.



1377. Post 11055054 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Someone is putting up substantial bid walls at intervals

Edit: on finex



1378. Post 11055163 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: coinableS on April 11, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
Someone is putting up substantial bid walls at intervals

Edit: on finex
Someone actually observing walls on the wall observer thread??  Shocked

I see two around 500 coins each @ 237.62 and 61

There was one at 238. I saw about half was bought , didn't see if the rest was pulled or bought as well.



1379. Post 11055213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Jeebus!

Over 2800 to 236

Edit: serious wall flashing going on



1380. Post 11055235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on April 11, 2015, 03:58:29 PM
Coin
Explanation

Delayed much?



1381. Post 11055308 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Lots of shorts closing

Edit: and someone sold into the 500 on 238



1382. Post 11055516 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 11, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Took back half of yesterday's loss I see. Over $240 again today?

Still basically sideways, no moon, no double digits.

Isn't waiting fun?


Hi Jimbo!

How come you canucks are so much more chill than those disloyal to The Crown down south?



1383. Post 11055674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: inca on April 11, 2015, 04:45:49 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Took back half of yesterday's loss I see. Over $240 again today?

Still basically sideways, no moon, no double digits.

Isn't waiting fun?


Still waiting for oblivion Wink

I'll pick up another two or three coins next week.

It's confirmed, oblivion will arrive on April 19.




1384. Post 11055751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 11, 2015, 04:59:57 PM
How come you canucks are so much more chill than those disloyal to The Crown down south?

I think it has to do with patiently waiting for winter to be over every year.

As for disloyalty, don't tell our southern neighbors that. They prefer to think of George Washington as a patriot rather than a traitor who was disloyal to his king, and Benedict Arnold as a traitor rather than a loyal subject of George III. Go figure.   Cheesy

I worked for a hostel a long time ago and spoke about politics to both americans and canadians, and it's weird how uptight americans are about politics. Canadians had no problem with it. I kind of think of canadians as americans without a personality disorder.



1385. Post 11055797 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on April 11, 2015, 05:11:44 PM
So we have a slow, low volume, "return to trend" bleed, a nice tweezer bottom, shorts still riding near ATH, and people waiting in cash ready to buy "cheap coins"

Something tells me this is a recipe for a pretty tasty cake

If you are right I'll marry you and have your babies.



1386. Post 11055828 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 11, 2015, 05:13:05 PM
I worked for a hostel a long time ago and spoke about politics to both americans and canadians, and it's weird how uptight americans are about politics. Canadians had no problem with it. I kind of think of canadians as americans without a personality disorder.

Let me guess.

You're British?

Norwegian. Don't get me wrong, I like americans. They're just a bit... binary. It gets to be intense sometimes.



1387. Post 11055939 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: gentlemand on April 11, 2015, 05:15:14 PM

I worked for a hostel a long time ago and spoke about politics to both americans and canadians, and it's weird how uptight americans are about politics. Canadians had no problem with it. I kind of think of canadians as americans without a personality disorder.

After spending several weeks in the US once, my flight transferred through Canada and I spent a few hours wandering. I couldn't quite figure out why everyone seemed happy and helpful. It was a very strange experience.

American politics seems to make residents far, far angrier than anywhere else and they can barely bring themselves to associate with those at other ends of the spectrum.

You see people on city-data wanting to move to 'liberal' towns. What the fuck? In Europe you just move where it looks nice. Politics doesn't register.



Even though I'm not a socialist myself I think it probably would be healthy for them to have a proper and visible socialist party influencing society.



1388. Post 11056289 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: inca on April 11, 2015, 05:45:44 PM
the most rabidly right wing Brit would probably be regarded as a commie pinko begging to be relieved of their life by their American counterpart.

You noticed that too?

What most countries consider basic public healthcare is considered to be an affront to liberty, democracy, capitalism, and the American Way by many Americans.

Wasting zillions of dollars on the military, prisons, law enforcement, surveillance of citizens, and defense of corporations is OK though.

Absolutely baffling isn't it. Believing in a small state but a gigantic military industrial complex with tendrils reaching every corner of the world Wink

Not to mention that they subsidize just about every industry there is. The US would struggle to fulfill the terms of the EU free market.

And when they discuss policy that is commonplace in just about every other country, they start talking about outlandish what ifs and slippery slopes. Other countries just look to where it's been done before.

The gays in the military debate was pure entertainment gold. Why check the experiences of the dutch and the swedes when you can barf out every brain fart you have to an international audience.



1389. Post 11056461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Yeez Louise!

I did a quick search and it turns out that every lovable american comedian is a canadian!

Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, John Candy, Seth Rogen, Phil Hartman, Norm Macdonald, Leslie Nielsen, Martin Short, Rick Moranis and Dan Akroyd. Heck, even Captain Kirk is canadian!



1390. Post 11057137 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Norway on April 11, 2015, 06:56:32 PM
Yeez Louise!

I did a quick search and it turns out that every lovable american comedian is a canadian!

Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, John Candy, Seth Rogen, Phil Hartman, Norm Macdonald, Leslie Nielsen, Martin Short, Rick Moranis and Dan Akroyd. Heck, even Captain Kirk is canadian!
Don't forget Terrance and Phillip  Grin

Hey Buddy! Hey Friend!



1391. Post 11057197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Warren Buffett on April 11, 2015, 06:52:47 PM
Even though I'm not a socialist myself I think it probably would be healthy for them to have a proper and visible socialist party influencing society.

Yeah, because socialism is a positive influence. No wonder Americans don't like you, faget.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagott



1392. Post 11057237 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Norway on April 11, 2015, 07:33:49 PM
Yet another addition to The List

See ababab1? We're pretty helpful around here. Enjoy your stay with your other sockpupp... err.. brothers I mean... Grin

 Grin Grin
I wonder if the guys that pays the trolls actually check their effect, or just pay per comment, he he  Wink

I guess it's like advertising, you know 50% doesn't work. Just not which 50%.



1393. Post 11057752 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: itod on April 11, 2015, 08:24:42 PM
the most rabidly right wing Brit would probably be regarded as a commie pinko begging to be relieved of their life by their American counterpart.

You noticed that too?

What most countries consider basic public healthcare is considered to be an affront to liberty, democracy, capitalism, and the American Way by many Americans.

Wasting zillions of dollars on the military, prisons, law enforcement, surveillance of citizens, and defense of corporations is OK though.

This always baffled me. Average citizen in US can not afford a normal cancer treatment provided by basic healthcare service available everywhere else in the western world, right? So if he gets cancer, which one stands pretty good chance to get, he has an option either not to get normal cancer treatment or bankrupt his own family forever. How's then small state beneficial to average citizen in this case? Why do people vote for small state if they are not rich and expose themselves to this enormous risk?

Do we really want to know the answer?

We know San Fransisco will be hit by another catastrophic earthquake within our lifetime, still hipsters and "bassoons" flock over there like it was made of cotton candy.



1394. Post 11057764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: abercrombie on April 11, 2015, 08:27:06 PM
Looks oversold.  I'm expecting a pretty bounce pretty soon.  Tongue



I am trying to find a good reason to repost this... hmmm...



1395. Post 11058071 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: itod on April 11, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
the most rabidly right wing Brit would probably be regarded as a commie pinko begging to be relieved of their life by their American counterpart.

You noticed that too?

What most countries consider basic public healthcare is considered to be an affront to liberty, democracy, capitalism, and the American Way by many Americans.

Wasting zillions of dollars on the military, prisons, law enforcement, surveillance of citizens, and defense of corporations is OK though.

This always baffled me. Average citizen in US can not afford a normal cancer treatment provided by basic healthcare service available everywhere else in the western world, right? So if he gets cancer, which one stands pretty good chance to get, he has an option either not to get normal cancer treatment or bankrupt his own family forever. How's then small state beneficial to average citizen in this case? Why do people vote for small state if they are not rich and expose themselves to this enormous risk?
Do we really want to know the answer?

We know San Fransisco will be hit by another catastrophic earthquake within our lifetime, still hipsters and "bassoons" flock over there like it was made of cotton candy.

That's different. A lot of people have no choice, can't afford to move somewhere else because of the job or the family. Being against or for free general healthcare costs you nothing, you just have to vote. And again many, many non-rich people vote against free general healthcare and for small state, with very large chance to give themselves or some family member a death sentence. Amazing.



It goes back to the civil war, with the division between the slave run economy in the south and the more industrial north. The north won the war and the US was de facto a federal state rather than a confederal state. Slavery was abolished, but as we saw in the sixties, and to some extent today, parts of the south maintains those race lines and are vehemently against taking any instructions from the federal level (That's also where this right wing anarchism and hate towards "The Government" comes from). And according to this thinking you don't use rich white peoples money to pay for healthcare for other races.

Of course, most states don't think like this, so these forces started cooperating with the classical liberals/libertarians and christian conservatives because they had overlapping interests, turning the republicans from the party of Lincoln and against suppression of blacks, to what we've seen for the last 50 years. Up until Nixon America was adopting social policies just like europe and much of the rest of the world.

The true genius can be found in the modern day propaganda developed by the republicans and Rupert Murdochs FOX News. They know they are lying, and they know what they are saying can be proven wrong very easily. But they also know that their core audience won't care or understand this if they just keep droning on as if it was true anyway. If you understand that what they are saying is stupid, then you're not their core audience and they don't need you. It's a kind of brainwashing which both the chinese and the Kreml have adopted. It makes it much easier to control populations.

What they also find is that a majority of the rest starts, not agreeing with the BS, but treating it as a legitimate viewpoint. Which makes fertile ground for new fools to fall for their stupidity. How many times haven't you seen people being interviewed trying to be "balanced" when asked about "Obamacare". We in europe would just roll our eyes and say that the republicans were off the plot.

sry, TL



1396. Post 11058168 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: gentlemand on April 11, 2015, 08:39:59 PM
the most rabidly right wing Brit would probably be regarded as a commie pinko begging to be relieved of their life by their American counterpart.

You noticed that too?

What most countries consider basic public healthcare is considered to be an affront to liberty, democracy, capitalism, and the American Way by many Americans.

Wasting zillions of dollars on the military, prisons, law enforcement, surveillance of citizens, and defense of corporations is OK though.

This always baffled me. Average citizen in US can not afford a normal cancer treatment provided by basic healthcare service available everywhere else in the western world, right? So if he gets cancer, which one stands pretty good chance to get, he has an option either not to get normal cancer treatment or bankrupt his own family forever. How's then small state beneficial to average citizen in this case? Why do people vote for small state if they are not rich and expose themselves to this enormous risk?

Do we really want to know the answer?



Maybe it boils down to a small state for the people who actually need its help, and a bleedin' gargantuan one for all the corporate pockets whispering in backroom ears.

US health spending per capita is the highest in the world. Nearly three times more per capita than the UK where any old vegetable can get decades of treatment for nothing. It might be a bit crap sometimes but at least it's available.

That difference has to be lining pockets somewhere. At least in some first world countries there's an effort to keep corporate interests at bay. The US is a potential vision of the future if they let it go too far.

Definitely. State run models do collective bargaining with drug companies. Private hospitals and private health insurance companies in the US don't have the clout to get the same prices. Plus, a lot of the private insurances have premium features which you won't get in most countries. A large room for yourself and fresh flowers every day won't really help you survive cancer surgery. But most of the difference is from the difference in drug prices. The US market effectively pays all the development costs of the pharmaceutical companies because they don't do collective bargaining.



1397. Post 11058334 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Shatoshi on April 11, 2015, 09:32:23 PM

^This guy gets it.^

And to that explanation I would add that on the fringe-right end of the political spectrum you have individuals like the Koch brothers and huge corporate sponsors who essentially spent decades pouring tons of money into creating a whole network of think-tanks, lobbying groups, and alternative academic institutions that have pumped out toxic free-market propaganda and legislation.  Decades ago they transformed the libertarian movement from a collection of various nutso neo-confederates, fascists, supremacists, nationalists, christian theologists, objectivists, and pro-protectionism corporatists into a powerful marketing machine for free-market dogmatism that has been poisoning our politics for decades - even if no libertarian politicians get elected.  You can see how corporate tax and income tax are pathetically low in America, and you can see how the social safety net that we used to have in this country has slowly been dismantled.  The Republicans will still pass legislation handed to them from the hyper-capitalist think tanks verbatim, they will later get a cushy lobbyist job or a kickback in the form of campaign donations.  And the corporations reap ever-greater profits to the detriment of ordinary Americans.

It's even worse. Americans don't pay that much less in taxes than most others. Corporate taxes are actually higher than most countries. You just spend it on the military and subsidies, which is the least free-market thing you can do.



1398. Post 11058530 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Shatoshi on April 11, 2015, 09:58:44 PM
It's ok, if we can just find another $1 Trillion we can BUY a WHOLE F-35 for each branch of the military!

edit: Right, with corporate subsidies/tax breaks, taxes are effectively cancelled out for the really big players.

The F35 sheeshhh. That one plane could have cured cancer.



1399. Post 11059752 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.10h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on April 12, 2015, 12:21:10 AM
Norwegian. Don't get me wrong, I like americans. They're just a bit... binary. It gets to be intense sometimes.

Don't confuse the established left-right political parties and their media arms with the actual views of the people. There is actually a fair amount of nuance and diversity of views at the human level.

You don't have a left, and you still get all testy.


Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on April 12, 2015, 12:21:10 AM
I worked for a hostel a long time ago and spoke about politics to both americans and canadians, and it's weird how uptight americans are about politics. Canadians had no problem with it. I kind of think of canadians as americans without a personality disorder.

A rather binary viewpoint, no?

I understand criticism of US policies, hell, I participate in it often. Especially the proclivity to play "world police" (as long as there is strategic interest in doing it).

As long as we are making sweeping generalities though... I could say it is easy for oil states (Norway, Canada) with small populations to be very generous with social programs. The ones not so generously endowed with resources and productivity (Greece) tend to lecture other nations less (smugly).

Yes, it was a sweeping generalization meant to provoke a conversation because the price was doing f all. But there is a fair amount of truth to it. Norway has pretty much the same welfare system as their neighbors in Scandinavia, even though they are not oil nations. Other european countries have different blends of public and private systems, but always with a guarantee for care. There is nothing special about Norway or Canada or Greece. The odd one out is the US. And look at your reaction. Up in arms.




1400. Post 11065442 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

@empowering

I really thought your DOOOOOOOM would arrive today. Have checked with ups?



1401. Post 11065835 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 12, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
hello poor fuckers!

still discussing some bs topic no one cares about? sound money?  Cheesy

I see ltc being dumped hard. and then those btc dumped for $ on btc-e.

good!

You won't believe it, but I actually missed you



1402. Post 11066000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: 12345mm on April 12, 2015, 04:46:09 PM
I have a strong feeling many of the people posting here should rightly be institutionalized or heavily medicated , or will need to be eventually , as a direct result of involvement in BTC.

On a related note , I had a bitcoin nightmare last night , so I'm pretty sure I'm losing my mind.

It was a dream of looking at bitcoinwisdom , and there were a couple of notable differences , new exchanges that don't exist currently - WALL STREET and PANAMA - price was in the thousands but then it all went to hell - the books were cleared down to 0 as the markets all flash crashed and cascaded and it happened in minutes it couldn't be stopped Satoshi was cashing out and all the trollboxes were nothing but expletives then the screen turned red and the alarms wouldn't turn off then I woke up in a panic ... yeah ...  Embarrassed

You might be turning looney my friend, but your post is refreshingly readable. Whatever clicked in your head seems to work.



1403. Post 11066971 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):



Come on u guyz! We can do it!



1404. Post 11067612 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: gkv9 on April 12, 2015, 06:59:59 PM

Come on u guyz! We can do it!

Moon confirmed!  Grin

Can't believe still some ^moon-talks^ are going on here...

I would suggest you to first let BTC get its ground first, moon is far yet... Wink

We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon.



We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon.



1405. Post 11067868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: empowering on April 12, 2015, 08:03:36 PM
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113939/after-hectic-week-for-foundation-mit-offers-to-host-a-bitcoin-standards-center
That would be brilliant



1406. Post 11067908 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: gkv9 on April 12, 2015, 08:17:01 PM
We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon.


We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon, We're going to the moon.

The only thing that excites me and the flames of hope inside me, are the pics that you guys send *whether logical or illogical I must say... Tongue

This ain't a stock so I'm thinking: we can't be much more than $250 from the bottom, and then it's up!



1407. Post 11067979 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: gkv9 on April 12, 2015, 08:25:08 PM
This ain't a stock so I'm thinking: we can't be much more than $250 from the bottom, and then it's up!

I am too a supporter of upwards, but who knows what does the whales have in their mind...

Usage and volume at a high price point would render the whales less relevant. Don't know if it will come anytime soon though.



1408. Post 11067995 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 12, 2015, 08:26:15 PM

Would that be, like, a centralised standards center? A central point to standardise bitcoin?

Wow. That wuold be such an advance for bitcoin, That would be brilliant




1409. Post 11068154 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: macsga on April 12, 2015, 08:40:59 PM

Nah, he's just a sockpuppet. Dood! Use The List.

It's now updated with all the new sockpuppets.

Don't think he's sockpuppet, he's just a bit of an _____ sometimes (He may have switched to short). But I could stop quoting him if you like?



1410. Post 11068339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 12, 2015, 08:54:25 PM

Don't think he's sockpuppet, he's just a bit of an _____ sometimes (He may have switched to short). But I could stop quoting him if you like?

Okay, benefit of the doubt time. In what way do you think Ito will help Bitcoin? I mean in the context of the current problems of the foundation, and the overwhelming view of its critics that we dont need a central authority in the first place.

edit: BTW Im not shorting bitcoin. I dont treat bitcoin as some stupid horse race or lottery that so many like to believe.

The Bitcoin development has been underfunded and uncoordinated to a point where it risks being unable to deal with major problems if uncovered. Having firm ground somewhere well funded with a lot of bright heads lessens the risk of Bitcoin stumbling on itself. I would love it if other universities or organisations in other countries set up similar centers, but you have to start somewhere.



1411. Post 11068383 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 12, 2015, 09:17:00 PM
Any ideas why my "Activity" is stuck at 98?

I have the same "problem"

It goes up by 14 every 2 weeks.

Only goes up a max of 14 in that time no matter how many posts you make.

What if you were banned for a week? Do those days count?

You get double points



1412. Post 11068402 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 12, 2015, 09:18:33 PM
Any ideas why my "Activity" is stuck at 98?

I have the same "problem"

It goes up by 14 every 2 weeks.

Only goes up a max of 14 in that time no matter how many posts you make.

What if you were banned for a week? Do those days count?

You get double points

Winning!



Lol, nice gif!



1413. Post 11068511 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 12, 2015, 09:20:49 PM

The Bitcoin development has been underfunded and uncoordinated to a point where it risks being unable to deal with major problems if uncovered. Having firm ground somewhere well funded with a lot of bright heads lessens the risk of Bitcoin stumbling on itself. I would love it if other universities or organisations in other countries set up similar centers, but you have to start somewhere.

Thats a great theory. But like communism, I reckon it wont fly.

Ito runs Media Labs, and media labs is NOT MIT. Its a commercial operation, and most projects it involves itself in are rooted in hard commerce and license. I worked on a project with them years ago ( a language extension for Mindstorms, NXC) and while they are brilliant in many respects, they are not the ideal partners for Bitcoin. Looking at the current tone and quality of the arguments against the BF at the moment, how do you think they would react to the suggestion that the centralised ( isnt that against the principle?) management of Bitcoin would be handled by a 100% commercially funded group?

The "power" of BF is there only to the extent that the rest of the community lets them have it. We don't know exactly how this partnership looks like yet. If it's too unpalatable for the rest of the Bitcoin community they should get on with a competing/complementary body elsewhere. In fact, that's a good idea anyway.



1414. Post 11068694 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 12, 2015, 09:43:45 PM

The Bitcoin development has been underfunded and uncoordinated to a point where it risks being unable to deal with major problems if uncovered. Having firm ground somewhere well funded with a lot of bright heads lessens the risk of Bitcoin stumbling on itself. I would love it if other universities or organisations in other countries set up similar centers, but you have to start somewhere.

Thats a great theory. But like communism, I reckon it wont fly.

Ito runs Media Labs, and media labs is NOT MIT. Its a commercial operation, and most projects it involves itself in are rooted in hard commerce and license. I worked on a project with them years ago ( a language extension for Mindstorms, NXC) and while they are brilliant in many respects, they are not the ideal partners for Bitcoin. Looking at the current tone and quality of the arguments against the BF at the moment, how do you think they would react to the suggestion that the centralised ( isnt that against the principle?) management of Bitcoin would be handled by a 100% commercially funded group?

The "power" of BF is there only to the extent that the rest of the community lets them have it. We don't know exactly how this partnership looks like yet. If it's too unpalatable for the rest of the Bitcoin community they should get on with a competing/complementary body elsewhere. In fact, that's a good idea anyway.

See, there is an implied paradox here...   People dont like the BF because "power". But bitcoin wont survive without  some sort of intelligent benign leadership. But this leadership will have  "power", and people wont like that... Rinse, Repeat.

You either have cake, or you eat cake. Until people get that into their heads, bitcoin will have some tough times ahead..


This is not unique for Bitcoin, it's an issue with most open source projects. But it turns out to not be a major problem most of the time.

For instance, if Linus Torvalds became a scientologist and decided to "cleanse" the linux kernel for code deemed to be against the church, he would no longer be the benevolent dictator of linux. And people using linux would probably not even notice.



1415. Post 11072701 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Little dump to $233 on finex

It's the wrong kind of fireworks today




1416. Post 11072743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

VS

                                     What will it be?



1417. Post 11073808 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: RealMalatesta on April 13, 2015, 12:38:32 PM
The END has come...  Bitcoin down on 0.0 US$:



They're just adjusting the counters to make room for more numbers



1418. Post 11073825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

By the way NLC keeps talking to himself I think we might have been wrong about him. He might be in serious need of help.



1419. Post 11073942 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Feri22 on April 13, 2015, 12:58:43 PM
It looks like really slow/boring downside movement, where we will test support around 200-220..if we break that support, damn, it will take long time before we will truly reverse the bear trend...my crystal ball told me that this morning

so i am placing buys on 20 BTC @ 180...do you think its too low / or still too high??

Depends on how long we over around $200-210. If we brake down from here I would think 180 would be good.



1420. Post 11074086 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Feri22 on April 13, 2015, 01:11:02 PM
It looks like really slow/boring downside movement, where we will test support around 200-220..if we break that support, damn, it will take long time before we will truly reverse the bear trend...my crystal ball told me that this morning

so i am placing buys on 20 BTC @ 180...do you think its too low / or still too high??

Iīd say too high, entire movement since january seems now like H/S pattern, which would point to lower lows 90-130. However 180 is safe bet unless you go in leveraged, bitcoin should recover fairly quickly after crashing to bottom.

Many people predicting 80-120 prices...i somehow refuse to believe that after so great fundamentals and difficulty x times higher than 2013 summer,  i would buy in the same range i was buying most of my coins...i will probably go like 80% of my money to 160-180 and 20% i will hide for the final crash to 100-120 but i really don't believe we will go that low...

If we don't find some buying pressure at $200, a dip to $140-150 seems plausible.



1421. Post 11074136 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: inca on April 13, 2015, 01:12:39 PM
It looks like really slow/boring downside movement, where we will test support around 200-220..if we break that support, damn, it will take long time before we will truly reverse the bear trend...my crystal ball told me that this morning

so i am placing buys on 20 BTC @ 180...do you think its too low / or still too high??

Iīd say too high, entire movement since january seems now like H/S pattern, which would point to lower lows 90-130. However 180 is safe bet unless you go in leveraged, bitcoin should recover fairly quickly after crashing to bottom.

Many people predicting 80-120 prices...i somehow refuse to believe that after so great fundamentals and difficulty x times higher than 2013 sommer,  i would buy in the same range i was buying most of my coins...i will probably go like 80% of my money to 160-180 and 20% i will hide for the final crash to 100-120 but i really don't believe we will go that low...

Bears always planning for one final crash..because 'line on a chart points down'..

Yawn.

Bears have had it easy for the last 16 months. Let's hope hubris doesn't smack them over the head (well, we sort of do, don't we?). Saying that the price will drop because it has done so for one and a half year doesn't make you an oracle.



1422. Post 11074312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: NUFCrichard on April 13, 2015, 01:29:00 PM
It looks like really slow/boring downside movement, where we will test support around 200-220..if we break that support, damn, it will take long time before we will truly reverse the bear trend...my crystal ball told me that this morning

so i am placing buys on 20 BTC @ 180...do you think its too low / or still too high??

Iīd say too high, entire movement since january seems now like H/S pattern, which would point to lower lows 90-130. However 180 is safe bet unless you go in leveraged, bitcoin should recover fairly quickly after crashing to bottom.

Many people predicting 80-120 prices...i somehow refuse to believe that after so great fundamentals and difficulty x times higher than 2013 summer,  i would buy in the same range i was buying most of my coins...i will probably go like 80% of my money to 160-180 and 20% i will hide for the final crash to 100-120 but i really don't believe we will go that low...

If we don't find some buying pressure at $200, a dip to $140-150 seems plausible.
As would a rise to $250 again.  It's a crapshoot at the moment, the amount of money moving into the Bitcoin environment is rising greatly, but apparently the amount of bitcoin being bought up is low, thus the price is falling.  I remain bullish and will buy more at sub$200 if that happens any time soon.

I don't need a rise to $250. I need a rise to $380 and beyond.



1423. Post 11075289 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on April 13, 2015, 03:20:49 PM
It is definitely going to stay in the $100 range pretty soon.  Monday morning and price hasn't changed a single bit.  No buying pressure at ALL.

What surprises me is that there is no selling pressure either at this price range.

Edit: The fact that this pig hasn't been slaughtered yet leads me to think that the big boys might know something we don't.



1424. Post 11075392 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 13, 2015, 03:28:28 PM
It looks like it might tip any moment

Tip? You mean DIP? Smiley




Crap! SkyVly has returned. We're dooooooooomed!



1425. Post 11075444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on April 13, 2015, 03:40:31 PM
Still $26m in longs.  Someone is going to get margin called very soon.

We've heard that for over a month now, very soon seems to be sometime 2017.



1426. Post 11075531 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 13, 2015, 03:49:39 PM
I would love to see a $180 double bottom, especially on high volume, but I can't wait for something that may happen at all. I have buy orders far north of that and If I get in too early, I can live with that. Somebody's  gonna wait too long and it won't be me.

Greece is going to implement capital controls within a month or two. The smart ones are going to want crypto and I plan on being in a position to provide it. If you think Bitcoin is volatile, just wait until the Grexit.  Things are going to get interesting.

Billy Joe Banjo! Haven't seen you in a while. Lots of fires in the south?



1427. Post 11075670 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 13, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
I would love to see a $180 double bottom, especially on high volume, but I can't wait for something that may happen at all. I have buy orders far north of that and If I get in too early, I can live with that. Somebody's  gonna wait too long and it won't be me.

Greece is going to implement capital controls within a month or two. The smart ones are going to want crypto and I plan on being in a position to provide it. If you think Bitcoin is volatile, just wait until the Grexit.  Things are going to get interesting.

Billy Joe Banjo! Haven't seen you in a while. Lots of fires in the south?

Just got back from one. A little house fire, nothing to get excited about. I got a second job to take advantage of these low BTC prices so I hope it stays down long enough for me to load up. I'll soon be in a position to hold indefinitely and even add to my position so I don't much care which way the price goes in the next few months.

If you work on commission at the fire department you could just buy a can of gas and be proactive.



1428. Post 11075906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: 79b79aa8d5047da6d3XX on April 13, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
^That is retarded and really not funny.

Try saying it out loud in a funny voice



1429. Post 11076530 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):


Enough flirting boys and girls, lets launch this thing!







doh!



1430. Post 11076605 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 13, 2015, 05:45:37 PM
-snip-



Quote from: Stedsm on April 13, 2015, 05:49:58 PM
-snip-

Lol, and what made you think like that?
They also possess investments and I bet they are not here to lose on their big bets as they also need to give back.

I guess it's bullish that bears have gone to the measure of arguing with the house troll.



1431. Post 11076673 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

DUUUUMP!!!



1432. Post 11076680 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: podyx on April 13, 2015, 06:05:48 PM
Someone said "fuck it"?

You bastard!



1433. Post 11076768 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: coins101 on April 13, 2015, 06:12:27 PM
What tripped the switch?

I thought it was the light switch, it was dark and..... you know



1434. Post 11076772 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: SoccerKings on April 13, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
fkn pussies

Best post ever



1435. Post 11076922 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: _javi_ on April 13, 2015, 06:22:18 PM
wow.. huh.. damn.. down 4%...  Grin
btc is behaving like an altcoin  Wink

Careful




1436. Post 11077191 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 13, 2015, 06:33:38 PM
so this is it this is how the story ends, 2.5K BTC is hodling back extreme DOOM for the moment, soon it will be pulverized and DOOM will follow, oh look wall gone DOOM is here, its been fun guys, i must go now.



Saving that gif. Looks like I might need it soon.



1437. Post 11077219 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 13, 2015, 06:36:18 PM




1438. Post 11077256 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Xiaoxiao on April 13, 2015, 06:42:55 PM
Just 2000 coins before we go below 230

8600 coins before sub 200.

One click of the mouse, and king bearwhale can throw bitcoin into oblivion.



^

You thought the price would go down after 16 months of down.You must be Nostradamus.



1439. Post 11077330 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: hdbuck on April 13, 2015, 06:46:09 PM
leveraged long at 225. another dump unlikely.



Quote
Primarily the same definition as "lol", but simply for people who want to be different, and original.
Rowan: Hey, Douglas, Jack got run over today.

Douglas: lel

Rowan: Omg, Douglas, he's in a serious condition! He could die!

Douglas: lel

Quote
How douchebags say "lol"; similar to "lolz" or "lawl", but with a greater amount of douchebaggery.
Person 1: *says something funny*
Person 2: LOL
Person 3: LEL

Person 1: wtf o.O?
Person 2: Oh, don't mind him. He's just a douchebag.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lel



1440. Post 11077447 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

What do you do to get this guy airborn?
Is there some kind of light signal?



        Super Draper



1441. Post 11078586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

There doesn't seem to be much buying pressure here either. Nobody wants $223 coins.



1442. Post 11078600 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on April 13, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
here we go boys!



If you are messing with me I'll hunt you down and.... tell you off!



1443. Post 11078657 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on April 13, 2015, 09:17:03 PM
$210 incoming  Undecided

$150 is coming faster

"Earn money when BTC crashes - join BTC-E PAMM"

Hmmmmmm....

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....



1444. Post 11078686 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Julie Naaiers on April 13, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
There doesn't seem to be much buying pressure here either. Nobody wants $223 coins.

Too expensive. Serious buying pressure expected at half this price.

Don't say that! That is cruel!

Agree with you. I think mining cost is between $ 180 -200. So its not so much expensive.

The sad truth is that there are plenty of miners with much lower costs. But a large part of the hashrate will be shaved off if we're stuck below that level.



1445. Post 11079001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Tabata11 on April 13, 2015, 10:00:28 PM
wow so there is really no point in speculating the price of bitcoins because of these damn whales manipulating the price...

IT SHOULD BE $10,000 per each coin by now if it weren't for their fat coins!!

It will be if enough people need them, regardless of whales.



1446. Post 11095403 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 15, 2015, 01:50:06 PM
yup my cloudhashing miner will be shutdown as well.

Quote
Dear Cloudhashing customer:

Due to the changed financial viability of our cloud mining service, we have decided to increase the management fees associated with the service to USD $0.15 (15 cents) per gigahash per month. This amount ($15.00 per month) will be deducted directly from your mining earnings. If your mining earnings are not sufficient to cover the management fees, you will be invoiced for the remainder amount.

i owe them 30$  Undecided

its a sad day for cloud mining


When the dust settles there is no room for cloud mining. For cloud mining to makes sense you're dependent on ever increasing prices. And if you think prices will shoot up like that you should probably just buy coins.



1447. Post 11095965 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 15, 2015, 02:10:31 PM
yup my cloudhashing miner will be shutdown as well.

Quote
Dear Cloudhashing customer:

Due to the changed financial viability of our cloud mining service, we have decided to increase the management fees associated with the service to USD $0.15 (15 cents) per gigahash per month. This amount ($15.00 per month) will be deducted directly from your mining earnings. If your mining earnings are not sufficient to cover the management fees, you will be invoiced for the remainder amount.

i owe them 30$  Undecided

its a sad day for cloud mining


When the dust settles there is no room for cloud mining. For cloud mining to makes sense you're dependent on ever increasing prices. And if you think prices will shoot up like that you should probably just buy coins.

I was thinking they could provide me with the best possible $/GH that i could ever achieve on my own. which was probably the case, but i still lost a fuck load of potential profits paying for the contacts in BTC. I got my bitcoins hashed to bit by the cloud. Sad

I'm not saying it's impossible right now, but eventually, when the market stabilizes, even at a higher level, the margins will get squeezed such that there is now room for an extra link in the chain. Though I wouldn't recommend it now either.

 If you live in Canada I am sure there is some poorly utilized industrial estate that is struggling with heating bills. Talk with the owner about letting you install some machines there and just pay for electricity usage and it shouldn't be impossible to mine a bit on the side.



1448. Post 11095992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Wings1987 on April 15, 2015, 02:22:19 PM
yup my cloudhashing miner will be shutdown as well.

Quote
Dear Cloudhashing customer:

Due to the changed financial viability of our cloud mining service, we have decided to increase the management fees associated with the service to USD $0.15 (15 cents) per gigahash per month. This amount ($15.00 per month) will be deducted directly from your mining earnings. If your mining earnings are not sufficient to cover the management fees, you will be invoiced for the remainder amount.

i owe them 30$  Undecided

its a sad day for cloud mining


When the dust settles there is no room for cloud mining. For cloud mining to makes sense you're dependent on ever increasing prices. And if you think prices will shoot up like that you should probably just buy coins.

This argument always bothers me though I can see why people may think this way.

If prices are on the rise and you invest 50 BTC in cloud mining and 6 months from now it is 60 BTC, aren't you better off than buying 50 BTC? Now granted you run the risk of your 50 BTC becoming 20 BTC.

If prices are declining - why buy coins or cloud hashing?

I'm not assuming that you pay with BTC.


Quote from: bitgeek on April 15, 2015, 02:23:25 PM
When the dust settles there is no room for cloud mining. For cloud mining to makes sense you're dependent on ever increasing prices. And if you think prices will shoot up like that you should probably just buy coins.
Wrong. Both mining and cloud mining are the most effective when prices are stable. This way you can profit even if there's completely no price movement for a year. If the value goes up holding becomes more profitable and if the prices go down both mining and trading become unprofitable. The only thing that can bring you profit in such case is trading (waiting for small bounces and bull traps to sell).

That goes for you to. And we haven't seen the kind of stability you're talking about since they started with cloud hashing and I honestly don't think the margins will allow it if/when we get there.



1449. Post 11097329 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 15, 2015, 04:59:20 PM


There you have it bears. Read it and weep. I think the rest of the quote said something about "...at the end of April 2015".



1450. Post 11097489 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on April 15, 2015, 05:15:31 PM
<shilbert qoute>

thats why there will be another bubble, im sure his name worth more than current bitcoin valuation.

So you are bidding $220 for his name? Where is his offer ?


And what a name! Are we gonna have a 13 billion market cap again because of "Barry"?



1451. Post 11097509 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: noobtrader on April 15, 2015, 05:17:48 PM
<shilbert qoute>

thats why there will be another bubble, im sure his name worth more than current bitcoin valuation.

So you are bidding $220 for his name? Where is his offer ?



you seem to miss my point entirely, even if there is no bubble he will make it bubble because he already said so ok ?

edit : unless he want to be mocked on twitter for the rest of his life that is

Genuinely, LOL!



1452. Post 11097606 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on April 15, 2015, 05:24:33 PM
<shilbert qoute>

thats why there will be another bubble, im sure his name worth more than current bitcoin valuation.

So you are bidding $220 for his name? Where is his offer ?


And what a name! Are we gonna have a 13 billion market cap again because of "Barry"?

How much do you reckon I can get for "Bob" ?

"Bob" is way cooler. At least 50 billion.



1453. Post 11097668 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on April 15, 2015, 05:33:42 PM

"Bob" is way cooler. At least 50 billion.

Thats settled then ... I vote we rename it BobCoin  Cheesy


Careful now, but I heard it has even better security than LeoCoin, and 200 million merchants.



1454. Post 11098112 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on April 15, 2015, 05:53:25 PM
Please take your reference to an Altcoin to the Altcoin section of the forum and keep on topic
(did I do that right?)
BobCoin would not be an alt, just a rebranding of BTC, hence discussion is allowed here.
Everyone knows Bob, but Bit is not so well known ... could work

Edit: Hey, wadya know, seems I just returned from my ban as a Hero  Cheesy
Who said crime doesn't pay ?




Question is: will you be Legendary next, or Infamous?



1455. Post 11098632 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: damiano on April 15, 2015, 07:10:09 PM
red dildo time



1456. Post 11098688 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: macsga on April 15, 2015, 07:12:37 PM

Funny to see the almighty Draghi being terrified by... a girl with a bag of confetti! Is this the man who when he talks the "markets" go crazy? Oh Please!

FYI:
The latest additions to hall of fame TROLL A.K.A.: The List  is once more updated. Enjoy and if you care, please share with friends and family.

She caught him off guard. That will not happen again!




1457. Post 11098728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: macsga on April 15, 2015, 07:20:12 PM

The only red dildo worth riding is...
The List


 Grin Grin Grin Grin

Greeks...



1458. Post 11098790 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: macsga on April 15, 2015, 07:29:18 PM

Skål!!!!

I'm not falling for it. I've read Plato. I know what happens when you start drinking.

Edit: Fuck it!

Skål!!!!



1459. Post 11099000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: macsga on April 15, 2015, 07:38:17 PM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWYzeNnFfNk

A (poor) translation of the song is mandatory:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=el&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stixoi.info%2Fstixoi.php%3Finfo%3DLyrics%26act%3Ddetails%26song_id%3D5099&edit-text=&search_plus_one=form

That is the picture used on every menu in every greek restaurant I've been to, and that is the music from every greek restaurant I've been to.

I don't have a point really. I am just amazed.



1460. Post 11099102 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Looks like asks are being piled up on finex. Guess we're just waiting for the bids to magically disappear.



1461. Post 11099226 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 15, 2015, 08:12:42 PM
STFU NLC
OMG! Have you actually started moderating? Woohoooo! Moon next!



1462. Post 11099458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Ivanhoe on April 15, 2015, 08:20:41 PM
Nice work Adam! Trolling only allowed for "full members" at least. Wink

Am I really so annoying? Feri22 accused me of trolling too.



1463. Post 11099817 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on April 15, 2015, 09:12:18 PM

Funny to see the almighty Draghi being terrified by... a girl with a bag of confetti! Is this the man who when he talks the "markets" go crazy? Oh Please!

The funny thing to me is, the girl there has no idea whatsoever, what she is protesting against. I bet she is of an anti-capitalist bolshevik sort. A useful idiot, who does not understand that a fight against capitalism is a fight against her own prosperous life. I bet she is against everything that this bitcoin crowd here stands for.

Don't understand me in a wrong way - I oppose the central banks too. Just not by pacting with bolsheviks. Ever.
That's a lot of assumptions dude, you don't know. You could be right though, could.
From my experience with these loony tune leftist drones is that all they know or can spew is bottled up talking points from their mentors in the propaganda networks. These pretty much signify the protest wall street types and are only these nagging activists since they have nothing else to do. I can see the resident creature doing this sort of stuff on its vacation from trolling.

The problem with the Occupy Wall Street protests is kind of the opposite. They have no real political agenda, they have no clear message. It's all "Ughh, banksters are destroying everything. The financial sector are all crooks." They don't want regulation, they don't want an alternative to banking, they don't want to close down the stock markets. At least the "bolshevik" socialists of old believed in something and wanted real tangible change. The Occupy Wall Street movement is just a lot of whining from people who's got nothing constructive to add. They're not liberals, they're not socialsts, they're not conservatives. It's a fad protest movement for shallow people from the middle class who wants to collect bumper stickers and Lapel pins. At least the french riots and the London riots weren't messing about.



1464. Post 11099821 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on April 15, 2015, 09:27:00 PM

Am I really so annoying? Feri22 accused me of trolling too.

Maybe we could have a poll on it ... just a thought  Grin
Not sure which way I would vote, but I'm open to bribery if you need support  Tongue

I can't afford it with these prices



1465. Post 11099880 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 15, 2015, 09:29:45 PM
Nice work Adam! Trolling only allowed for "full members" at least. Wink

Am I really so annoying? Feri22 accused me of trolling too.

NO! So you made someone's list, too? These are truly paranoid times, Gentlemen.

I might have gotten a little colourful as the price dropped lower and lower, but I didn't think it was this they meant with Bitcoin needing more liquidity. It feels like I have financial diarrhea.

Edit: thx phoenix1!



1466. Post 11100655 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Erdogan on April 15, 2015, 11:33:55 PM


The problem with the Occupy Wall Street protests is kind of the opposite. They have no real political agenda, they have no clear message. It's all "Ughh, banksters are destroying everything. The financial sector are all crooks." They don't want regulation, they don't want an alternative to banking, they don't want to close down the stock markets. At least the "bolshevik" socialists of old believed in something and wanted real tangible change. The Occupy Wall Street movement is just a lot of whining from people who's got nothing constructive to add. They're not liberals, they're not socialsts, they're not conservatives. It's a fad protest movement for shallow people from the middle class who wants to collect bumper stickers and Lapel pins. At least the french riots and the London riots weren't messing about.

You can also think of the possibility that a movement can be diverted, that is, infiltrators can work within the movement and focus on some absurd side argument and change the people in a direction that leads nowhere.


Well, then they're still sheep. So who gives a hoo haa?



1467. Post 11103959 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 16, 2015, 09:57:01 AM
Not sure I've seen this thread so dead.

Even the bears are bored.

Everyone's on the new forum xD (but you gotta pay to join!)

I've read about it - Elwar's 'big' news.
Load of crap.
Count me out.



What is it and why do I need it?



1468. Post 11104422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: coinpr0n on April 16, 2015, 10:31:28 AM
Not sure I've seen this thread so dead.

Even the bears are bored.

Everyone's on the new forum xD (but you gotta pay to join!)

I've read about it - Elwar's 'big' news.
Load of crap.
Count me out.



What is it and why do I need it?

Much Ado About Nothing https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025782.0

Yeez Louise!
Am I the only one who got backflashes from Bioshock reading that?
A barge full of rich people in international waters. I wonder what pirates will make of that.
Funny thing is, ethereum would probably be better suited for the forum he's proposing.



1469. Post 11104459 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: 3x2 on April 16, 2015, 11:11:45 AM
Not sure I've seen this thread so dead.

Even the bears are bored.
not much happening with the price and that could be the reason, i am getting bored with BTC price like other people  Tongue
Yeah me too.
The Winkledouches need to hurry up with their projects.
I think even the new exchange wouldn't have any impact on price, what else they are planning to do?

A full blown bona fide BTC etf, not like Barrys sandbox.



1470. Post 11104654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 16, 2015, 11:30:20 AM
Not sure I've seen this thread so dead.

Even the bears are bored.
not much happening with the price and that could be the reason, i am getting bored with BTC price like other people  Tongue
Yeah me too.
The Winkledouches need to hurry up with their projects.
I think even the new exchange wouldn't have any impact on price, what else they are planning to do?

A full blown bona fide BTC etf, not like Barrys sandbox.

When GBTC starts trading we will see some big movement - maybe not right away but in next two months. And I find GBTC even better than Coin ETF since new GBTC share holders will need to hold their shares for next 12 months  Wink
Many of current holders will sell their shares way above market price (bitcoin) and they will be able to get in again lower. They already were able to buy shares directly from BIT so this will be easy money for them.

No offense, but you're thinking small. Think bigger. The GDP of the US is ~15 trillion. That's peanuts compared to the wealth being handled by Wall Steet every year. If a nats fart of that money goes into BTC its market cap will increase dramatically. Even if it's mostly buying and selling, the scope will be much larger.



1471. Post 11105153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 16, 2015, 12:22:30 PM
Not sure I've seen this thread so dead.

Even the bears are bored.

Everyone's on the new forum xD (but you gotta pay to join!)

I've read about it - Elwar's 'big' news.
Load of crap.
Count me out.



What is it and why do I need it?

Much Ado About Nothing https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025782.0

Yeez Louise!
Am I the only one who got backflashes from Bioshock reading that?
A barge full of rich people in international waters. I wonder what pirates will make of that.
Funny thing is, ethereum would probably be better suited for the forum he's proposing.

He thinks trolls have no money. What a quaint idea Roll Eyes

It will be interesting to see who decides to use that forum though.



1472. Post 11105685 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 16, 2015, 01:47:46 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-bitcoin-desk-genesis-trading/?utm_content=buffer60745&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://genesistrading.com/

Barry is ahead of twins again  Grin It is not exchange, but they are regulated and so...

Can someone more critical than gotmilk_ and smarter than me tell me why this isn't a great thing?

It looks pretty good to me.



1473. Post 11105696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Bagatell on April 16, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
hardest thing about holding is not buying more as it keeps falling

tru dat.

Give in to your feelings. Who needs a vacation anyway?



1474. Post 11105874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 16, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
Not sure I've seen this thread so dead.

Even the bears are bored.

Everyone's on the new forum xD (but you gotta pay to join!)

I've read about it - Elwar's 'big' news.
Load of crap.
Count me out.



What is it and why do I need it?

Much Ado About Nothing https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025782.0

Yeez Louise!
Am I the only one who got backflashes from Bioshock reading that?
A barge full of rich people in international waters. I wonder what pirates will make of that.
Funny thing is, ethereum would probably be better suited for the forum he's proposing.

He thinks trolls have no money. What a quaint idea Roll Eyes

It will be interesting to see who decides to use that forum though.

If the paranoid old bag holders go the trolls will follow. Could be good for us.

Was kind of hoping NLC would go there. Then again I'd hate to lose some of the sharper heads. Worst case scenario is that the troll cave/WO thread will become a Bitcoin Bier und Blasen.




1475. Post 11106135 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: 8up on April 16, 2015, 02:42:05 PM
Is this our double bottom?



If the flash crash in january caused by the Bitstamp theft (like the Silkroad flash crash in 9/2013) is not included in our consideration, this looks promising.



Would be nice, but it's arguably no different that the 'double bottom' we thought we had in early November. Volume is a bit more now, but everything else looks very much the same

You mean our triple bottom. In retrospective it looks like the Bitstamp theft could have been the trigger to break it. Does this mean we are undervalued now?



no doubt, just don't know if that will save us in the short term



1476. Post 11106371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: macsga on April 16, 2015, 02:52:06 PM
Was kind of hoping NLC would go there. Then again I'd hate to lose some of the sharper heads. Worst case scenario is that the troll cave/WO thread will become a Bitcoin Bier und Blasen.



Beer und blasen ist gut fur mich.

Skål!!!!

Es ist gut für alles!



1477. Post 11106657 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 16, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
Now go find your soul mate!




1478. Post 11107153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Norway on April 16, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
I expect them to hand down these bitcoin to their children who will immediately spend them on stupid things like a sail boat...

You call this studpid? Are you out of your mind!!!???  Shocked

Trust me, you don't want a boat. You want a close friend who has a boat.



1479. Post 11107740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: 2GOOD on April 16, 2015, 05:17:54 PM
poor bears  Grin

Yes, how will they manage.





1480. Post 11107977 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on April 16, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
$300+ by May?

no way
I hope you can earn money when BTC doesn't crash as well.



1481. Post 11108060 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

It's been nice to see so many new names, both senior members and newbies, poppin by the WO thread lately. Almost as if the mood is turning.



1482. Post 11108394 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: damiano on April 16, 2015, 06:40:43 PM
Rally ran out of gas?
No rally. Price just gently floating back up to where it's supposed to be.



1483. Post 11108855 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: damiano on April 16, 2015, 07:01:13 PM
Rally ran out of gas?
I've never seen you say anything remotely positive re: bitcoin.
Are you desperate for cheap coins because you missed out taking the plunge in the early days or something?

I was bullish before the failed attempt at $300. 
Unlike adam, damiano is a contrary contrary indicator. It's really annoying.



1484. Post 11109023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: damiano on April 16, 2015, 07:43:26 PM
Rally ran out of gas?
I've never seen you say anything remotely positive re: bitcoin.
Are you desperate for cheap coins because you missed out taking the plunge in the early days or something?

I was bullish before the failed attempt at $300.  
Unlike adam, damiano is a contrary contrary indicator. It's really annoying.

No, that would be Tarmi.

Don't give Tarmi too much credit about being right all the time. He is way too douchy about it.



1485. Post 11109895 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 16, 2015, 09:15:34 PM
BitLicense very soon:  http://www.coindesk.com/nydfs-expects-final-bitlicense-very-soon/

I remember they saying about it last year.

Also the new forum software and the PD signature campaign will launch very soon

Difference being that, this forum, and the NYDFS are kind of different entities, and as far as the Bitlicense is concerned we were waiting for the end of the public comment periods, the latest of which has only recently ended.

I was wondering if infact they were going to extend to yet another comment period, as some have been calling for in a vocal way.

I have a feeling that we indeed will see some action this time, and I am talking sooner(ish) rather than later (i.e I cannot see us waiting another year, maybe not even another 6 months, maybe not even that long at all(ish), until we see the launch of this Bitlicense, and then no doubt Gemini and the ETF to follow.





Finally

Screw the moon, we're going intergalactic!




1486. Post 11110036 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Norway on April 16, 2015, 09:48:25 PM
My bold prediction: On monday, A LOT will happen!
(Feel free to mock me if I'm wrong, he he)

I wouldn't count the weekend out either. This price wants to move.



1487. Post 11110097 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 16, 2015, 09:59:35 PM

This is an embarrassment to us all. I have no words Angry

Seems like Elwar timed it right



1488. Post 11110146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

BOOM!!!! 230!!!



1489. Post 11110199 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 16, 2015, 10:12:07 PM

This is an embarrassment to us all. I have no words Angry

Seems like Elwar timed it right

No kidding...

Quoted article was from last october, no?   Huh Huh

We're an embarrassment Mayor. Fooled by NLC.

Hey NLC, have you heard about the super duper new forum Elwar made? Imagine trolling that to shits, huh?



1490. Post 11110217 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 16, 2015, 10:17:45 PM

This is an embarrassment to us all. I have no words Angry

Seems like Elwar timed it right

No kidding...

Quoted article was from last october, no?   Huh Huh

We're an embarrassment Mayor. Fooled by NLC.

Hey NLC, have you heard about the super duper new forum Elwar made? Imagine trolling that to shits, huh?

He's an evil genius. Sometimes I forget Angry
No, we're stupid



1491. Post 11110263 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on April 16, 2015, 10:18:47 PM
My bold prediction: On monday, A LOT will happen!
(Feel free to mock me if I'm wrong, he he)

I wouldn't count the weekend out either. This price wants to move.
Yes, it's possible that the stampede breaks out before the actual news  Wink
If and when this does occur, would this so-called stampede be the default ending of the bear market permanently or would this news just cause another pump and push back the final leg down that many people are expecting? I'd think this would be the former considering this would add significant demand to the market.

I certainly hope that it brings real demand to Bitcoin. Anticipation of real demand can only take us so far.



1492. Post 11110271 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 16, 2015, 10:19:40 PM

This is an embarrassment to us all. I have no words Angry

Seems like Elwar timed it right

No kidding...

Quoted article was from last october, no?   Huh Huh

We're an embarrassment Mayor. Fooled by NLC.

Hey NLC, have you heard about the super duper new forum Elwar made? Imagine trolling that to shits, huh?

He's an evil genius. Sometimes I forget Angry
No, we're stupid

A little from column A, a little from column B?

Nope, and it's mostly your fault. I TRUSTED YOU MAAAN!!!!



1493. Post 11112808 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: shmadz on April 17, 2015, 01:54:44 AM
Hey, Bitcoiners!
The 80s called, they want their disruptive technology back!



ba dum chhh!

What a kick ass rig!

A floppy drive? And a modem!?

All my lousy parents could get me was a Vic 20 with a tape drive. Embarrassed

Took over ten minutes just to load Zaxxon...  Cry

My buddy had a C64 though, used to go over to his house all the time to play choplifter.
hmmmm..... Bubble Bobble



1494. Post 11112881 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: damiano on April 17, 2015, 03:56:43 AM
Not surprised at all to see price bounce off the totally-not-fake $229.99 resistance wall.   Roll Eyes

Do whales really think we're still this stupid, after watching the charts closely for 2 years now?

All the action was fake.  

The second it dropped shorts started to get filled.  I'm very curious of his next strategy since no takers 228+


Just a run up to bust 235 in the nuts




1495. Post 11113472 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Can someone explain what's happening at finex atm?

Price been hovering around 225-226 with constant buying and it's 2750 coins to 228.

Edit: now it's 4k to 228

Edit 2: down to 224 with 5k to 228

Edit 3: Hmmmmm.... 5.6k to 228 and 4.8k to 200 from 222.33



1496. Post 11113651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 17, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
That manipulated push down... pathetic  Roll Eyes

Someone is stealing my milk



1497. Post 11114697 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on April 17, 2015, 10:51:44 AM
okcoin is gone
jstolfi just said they were real .... got coins?
last price on ok coin was 283 which make all short margincalled, btw is that mean the coin is real ?

get your coins off the exchanges now, you have clear warning.

First out wins ...

Which ones? Are you trolling?



1498. Post 11114923 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

So any big movement today is gonna f OkCoin (through their customers) up?



1499. Post 11115343 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Stamp and BTC-E pulling away from finex for a while there



1500. Post 11115756 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: bad trader on April 17, 2015, 01:00:22 PM
Why is Bitfinex so bearish compared to others?


That. BTC-E is normally $5-10 under finex.



1501. Post 11116486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Norway on April 17, 2015, 02:19:08 PM
Why is Bitfinex so bearish compared to others?


That. BTC-E is normally $5-10 under finex.
It's been almost $2 between Huobi and Bitfinex for a couple of days. I have been thinking for a while about starting arbitrage trading. I don't believe in TA (Asstrology) and I can't predict the future. Also, it's easy and cheap to move BTC between exchanges (but not other currencies, could be a disadvantage). I have never traded on an exchange before (I just bought my bitcoins from a guy), yet I watch Bitcoinwisdom and am capable of coding my own user interface with the exchanges APIs. I don't want to make a "bot" (even if I actually could, given time and money), but more like a button I can press when two exchanges are in disharmony (One sell, one buy, same amount of BTC).

My question is: Do anybody in this thread have experience with arbitrage trading? Are the margins too small?

There it is. Now, time for "FRIDAY NIGHT VODKA PARTY ALONE IN A TWO ROOM FLAT IN THE SUBURBS OF OSLO"!!! Whoohoooooo!   Undecided

Just to add to the question. Would it make sense to use litecoin to transfer money from one exchange to another without using fiat?



1502. Post 11116562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: damiano on April 17, 2015, 02:42:43 PM
What happens to Bitfinex if the long squeeze comes and the bids get wiped? Will the dollar lenders lose their money if the longs are unable to close?

Thats an excellent question.

I can't see anything on the website talking about this, but if orders cannot be filled while being liquidated I would assume the lender would be at a loss then, unless there is an insurance fund available to cover this or bitfinex would cover the difference?

Okcoin has a pretty good engine when it comes to liquidation, they also have an insurance fund.  The shitty thing is on Okcoin they will prioritize high risk positions and prematurely liquidate them earlier than they should.  I was force liquidated a month ago $1 early.

Sorry about the loss, but thank lord you can be wrong. I've been biting nails all morning.



1503. Post 11116751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: noobtrader on April 17, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
What happens to Bitfinex if the long squeeze comes and the bids get wiped? Will the dollar lenders lose their money if the longs are unable to close?

Thats an excellent question.

I can't see anything on the website talking about this, but if orders cannot be filled while being liquidated I would assume the lender would be at a loss then, unless there is an insurance fund available to cover this or bitfinex would cover the difference?

Okcoin has a pretty good engine when it comes to liquidation, they also have an insurance fund.  The shitty thing is on Okcoin they will prioritize high risk positions and prematurely liquidate them earlier than they should.  I was force liquidated a month ago $1 early.

Sorry about the loss, but thank lord you can be wrong. I've been biting nails all morning.

I absolutely could be.  

I just can't find any proper information if such an event were to occur.  I would assume bitfinex would cover the difference, but if its not stated then I would assume the lenders would get a % back of the funds lent.




  Cheesy

i think he said that because you was a bear and keep shorting on bitcoin    Grin Grin Grin

I think so too, I have nothing at finex or OkCoin atm.

Edit:

Quote from: damiano on April 17, 2015, 03:08:05 PM


When I got liquidated I was bullish  

win some and lose some  Undecided




1504. Post 11116840 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Norway on April 17, 2015, 03:12:37 PM
Why is Bitfinex so bearish compared to others?


That. BTC-E is normally $5-10 under finex.
It's been almost $2 between Huobi and Bitfinex for a couple of days. I have been thinking for a while about starting arbitrage trading. I don't believe in TA (Asstrology) and I can't predict the future. Also, it's easy and cheap to move BTC between exchanges (but not other currencies, could be a disadvantage). I have never traded on an exchange before (I just bought my bitcoins from a guy), yet I watch Bitcoinwisdom and am capable of coding my own user interface with the exchanges APIs. I don't want to make a "bot" (even if I actually could, given time and money), but more like a button I can press when two exchanges are in disharmony (One sell, one buy, same amount of BTC).

My question is: Do anybody in this thread have experience with arbitrage trading? Are the margins too small?

There it is. Now, time for "FRIDAY NIGHT VODKA PARTY ALONE IN A TWO ROOM FLAT IN THE SUBURBS OF OSLO"!!! Whoohoooooo!   Undecided

Just to add to the question. Would it make sense to use litecoin to transfer money from one exchange to another without using fiat?
I don't think it's any point in going in and out of shapeshift to convert BTC => Litecoin => BTC when doing arbitrage. Maybe I don't understand what you mean, fellow viking!  Wink

Well, arbitrage in BTC only will be tricky. And fiat is too expensive to move.



1505. Post 11117391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

We've had fairly good volume on finex for the last three days, while staying within the 220 range. Not much, but I have hope.



1506. Post 11117741 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: tomothy on April 17, 2015, 03:10:50 PM
Why is Bitfinex so bearish compared to others?


That. BTC-E is normally $5-10 under finex.
It's been almost $2 between Huobi and Bitfinex for a couple of days. I have been thinking for a while about starting arbitrage trading. I don't believe in TA (Asstrology) and I can't predict the future. Also, it's easy and cheap to move BTC between exchanges (but not other currencies, could be a disadvantage). I have never traded on an exchange before (I just bought my bitcoins from a guy), yet I watch Bitcoinwisdom and am capable of coding my own user interface with the exchanges APIs. I don't want to make a "bot" (even if I actually could, given time and money), but more like a button I can press when two exchanges are in disharmony (One sell, one buy, same amount of BTC).

My question is: Do anybody in this thread have experience with arbitrage trading? Are the margins too small?

There it is. Now, time for "FRIDAY NIGHT VODKA PARTY ALONE IN A TWO ROOM FLAT IN THE SUBURBS OF OSLO"!!! Whoohoooooo!   Undecided

Just to add to the question. Would it make sense to use litecoin to transfer money from one exchange to another without using fiat?


Arguably yes, the possibility exists of the funds being accepted and confirmed faster w/ ltc than btc. However on the few occasions I've tried with this, the LTC transfers have been sufficiently delayed for whatever reason close the window on any said opportunity. Likewise not all exchanges accept LTC and offer that arbitrage opportunity. Theoretically it makes a lot of sense and I've heard (as I'm sure we all have) of users successfully rotating through such a system for small profits.

Thanks! Would be interesting to try BTC arbitrage between BTC-E and huobi/okcoin/finex using LTC. I'll just have to sit down and look at the fees.



1507. Post 11117858 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Norway on April 17, 2015, 04:58:04 PM
Why is Bitfinex so bearish compared to others?


That. BTC-E is normally $5-10 under finex.
It's been almost $2 between Huobi and Bitfinex for a couple of days. I have been thinking for a while about starting arbitrage trading. I don't believe in TA (Asstrology) and I can't predict the future. Also, it's easy and cheap to move BTC between exchanges (but not other currencies, could be a disadvantage). I have never traded on an exchange before (I just bought my bitcoins from a guy), yet I watch Bitcoinwisdom and am capable of coding my own user interface with the exchanges APIs. I don't want to make a "bot" (even if I actually could, given time and money), but more like a button I can press when two exchanges are in disharmony (One sell, one buy, same amount of BTC).

My question is: Do anybody in this thread have experience with arbitrage trading? Are the margins too small?

There it is. Now, time for "FRIDAY NIGHT VODKA PARTY ALONE IN A TWO ROOM FLAT IN THE SUBURBS OF OSLO"!!! Whoohoooooo!   Undecided

Just to add to the question. Would it make sense to use litecoin to transfer money from one exchange to another without using fiat?


Arguably yes, the possibility exists of the funds being accepted and confirmed faster w/ ltc than btc. However on the few occasions I've tried with this, the LTC transfers have been sufficiently delayed for whatever reason close the window on any said opportunity. Likewise not all exchanges accept LTC and offer that arbitrage opportunity. Theoretically it makes a lot of sense and I've heard (as I'm sure we all have) of users successfully rotating through such a system for small profits.

Thanks! Would be interesting to try BTC arbitrage between BTC-E and huobi/okcoin/finex using LTC. I'll just have to sit down and look at the fees.
Hey slimboy! Have you done arbitrage trading before?
EDIT: Not sarcastic

Nope, but I have thought about it. If it's done right it can be a steady stream of income. Sometimes you just have to try.



1508. Post 11118109 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 17, 2015, 05:25:29 PM
hello poor bitcoin fuckers.

still fighting this downtrend?

just sit tight and relax.

Are you still short?



1509. Post 11118138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 17, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
hello poor bitcoin fuckers.

still fighting this downtrend?

just sit tight and relax.

Desperate for short term small profits are you?

True investors wait to receive their riches.

True traders make lots of money often



1510. Post 11118298 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: damiano on April 17, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
hello poor bitcoin fuckers.

still fighting this downtrend?

just sit tight and relax.

Are you still short?

Do bears shit in the woods?

I don't know. Ask Tarmi.



1511. Post 11118834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Norway on April 17, 2015, 06:43:13 PM
I whish you lived in Oslo, fatty. Then we could have a beer and talk Wink

I could pm you whenever I'm down there.
You should! I'm really into this "EDB-penger" shit!

Today, I had a meeting with a VAT specialist from KPMG to remove the extreme norwegian rule to put 25% VAT on the full amount of EVERY transfer between bitcoin and NOK.

I assume you have heard about Sturles great effort to collect money from the community through Lighthouse to pay those shitty, dirty whores from Deloitte in Trondheim.

I'm so upset, I don't have the words! Sturle is the greatest, most up front and steady guy who has been asking norwegian tax authorithys about guidelines regarding NOK/BTC exchanging for several years in many letters, with a passive and weak response.

And then he does a fantastic fundraiser, gets the amount in two days and hires the "services" from the nasty company Deloitte in Trondheim! And what do the assholes do? They fuck Sturle (and all the people giving funds, and all the people trying to invent/create a living in Norway after the oil is gone.)

I'm almost as angry as I am drunk right now! But I know one thing:

Deloitte in Norway are actually paying Google for advertising their "services" (read: buttfucking) related to bitcoin. (Try to google "bitcoin" from a norwegian IP).

And some international companies make contact with me because they want to establish bitcoin business in Norway. I'm just the MC of Oslo Bitcoin Meetup (I'm just a party fixer).

But I tell you this: Deloitte is going to burn hard and die together with their bank brothers on my bitcoin barbecue while I laugh my heart out and point at them!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but I'm not up to speed with what you're talking about. Any links?



1512. Post 11120138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on April 17, 2015, 09:18:17 PM
I hope you can earn money when BTC doesn't crash as well.

we can and not so badly  Wink
Good, that's what I call "Happy Money".



1513. Post 11120675 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: itod on April 17, 2015, 10:00:45 PM
Why is Bitfinex so bearish compared to others?


That. BTC-E is normally $5-10 under finex.
It's been almost $2 between Huobi and Bitfinex for a couple of days. I have been thinking for a while about starting arbitrage trading. I don't believe in TA (Asstrology) and I can't predict the future. Also, it's easy and cheap to move BTC between exchanges (but not other currencies, could be a disadvantage). I have never traded on an exchange before (I just bought my bitcoins from a guy), yet I watch Bitcoinwisdom and am capable of coding my own user interface with the exchanges APIs. I don't want to make a "bot" (even if I actually could, given time and money), but more like a button I can press when two exchanges are in disharmony (One sell, one buy, same amount of BTC).

My question is: Do anybody in this thread have experience with arbitrage trading? Are the margins too small?

There it is. Now, time for "FRIDAY NIGHT VODKA PARTY ALONE IN A TWO ROOM FLAT IN THE SUBURBS OF OSLO"!!! Whoohoooooo!   Undecided

I've done some arbitrage between BTC-E & Bitfinex, stopped doing it no matter I've been in the profit with it. There are several reasons for that.

First there's a problem with moving LTC as secondary currency between exchanges, you can not move US$ so you have to move something to balance the sheets between the cycles. LTC transactions are fast, but not fast enough that LTC fluctuations don't eat your profit. Remember that all bots are doing the same as your bot is doing at that moment when profit margin opens, so the price moves in worse possible direction for you and it moves fast, as fast as best bots can do it, and there are some very good bots out there. If you decide to put permanent amount of LTC on the exchanges, and move them only while nothing happens, general decrease in LTC value also eats your profits. Exchange fees are far from neglectable, if you have to make usual 4-trade cycle to close the arbitrage you have to pay 0.1% + 0.2% + 0.1% + 0.2% = 0.6% fee, you'll find that eats your 1% arbitrage opportunity quickly. There''s also big problem that your bot must take care not only of the prices (which is trivial) but also with the volumes (which is not). Good luck calculating estimations if your bot will be able to close the whole open position when LTC completes withdraw & deposit transaction from one exchange to another.

All above considered I can tell you firsthand that: yes, it can be done, but it was not worth the effort and risk for me. It's easier to trade and profit on the exchanges then to arbitrage between them.

Thanks! You kind of confirmed my suspicions. For me, the tempting ones are when BTC-E is 3-4% lower than the rest. But last time I looked at it the problem was that to make any real money from it I would have to trade with a larger volume than the price could carry. So it would, as you say, be a lot of work and risk for peanuts. But some kind of arbitrage would be cool, if only to get a soft entry into trading.



1514. Post 11123639 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on April 18, 2015, 07:58:36 AM
Coin
Explanation


Funny with that wall on Coinbase. Hope it's real.



1515. Post 11123796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on April 18, 2015, 08:10:02 AM
WTF is going on @ Coinbase?

Fake wall?

The 69 BTC buy wall?

What are you fruit loops talking about?

What am I reading wrong?

Looks like several K to me

COINBASE





1516. Post 11128925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.11h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on April 18, 2015, 08:31:48 PM
Shorts at all time high.

Fly me to the moon and let me play among the stars. Let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars.

In other words... let's launch this mofo!



1517. Post 11132631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 19, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
Y U dont buy cheap?

I buy for you and then you buy from me.

it just keeps repeating.

 Grin



I don't see your point. What's wrong?



1518. Post 11135193 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

I want $2300 coins! No more of this weak cheap nonsense!



1519. Post 11136573 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: galdur on April 19, 2015, 06:00:34 PM
Well, difficulty down substantially it seems.

Estimated Next Difficulty:   47,606,427,273 (-3.72%)
Adjust time:   After 3 Blocks, About 31.5 minutes

It took a month to go from 20b to 30b. We crossed 40b at Nov 18, 2014 and we still haven't crossed 50b. That should tell you something about how squeezed miners are atm.  And when summer comes many of them will have to look at costs connected to cooling those machines vs just turning them off.



1520. Post 11136633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: bobdude17 on April 19, 2015, 06:23:46 PM
Coinbase wall down.
Whats going on

Apply a lube of your choosing



1521. Post 11136742 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: galdur on April 19, 2015, 06:29:43 PM
Well, difficulty down substantially it seems.

Estimated Next Difficulty:   47,606,427,273 (-3.72%)
Adjust time:   After 3 Blocks, About 31.5 minutes

It took a month to go from 20b to 30b. We crossed 40b at Nov 18, 2014 and we still haven't crossed 50b. That should tell you something about how squeezed miners are atm.  And when summer comes many of them will have to look at costs connected to cooling those machines vs just turning them off.

Yeah. Well, my thory has been that if the market believes that bitcoin has a future it wonīt let it drop far enough to make most mining dubious. And with it the blockchain. Thus, the bottom at 220 or so, apart from those five second 210 and 215 blips.

The volume isn't here though. We have to move soon, my bottom is clenched.



1522. Post 11136901 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on April 19, 2015, 06:44:24 PM
Well, difficulty down substantially it seems.

Estimated Next Difficulty:   47,606,427,273 (-3.72%)
Adjust time:   After 3 Blocks, About 31.5 minutes

It took a month to go from 20b to 30b. We crossed 40b at Nov 18, 2014 and we still haven't crossed 50b. That should tell you something about how squeezed miners are atm.  And when summer comes many of them will have to look at costs connected to cooling those machines vs just turning them off.

I doubt they have the equipment or even the prerequisites to install AC units in that scale.
A lot can be done with some fans and wet corrugated paper. But it still draws electricity.



1523. Post 11136988 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: galdur on April 19, 2015, 06:51:33 PM
Well, difficulty down substantially it seems.

Estimated Next Difficulty:   47,606,427,273 (-3.72%)
Adjust time:   After 3 Blocks, About 31.5 minutes

It took a month to go from 20b to 30b. We crossed 40b at Nov 18, 2014 and we still haven't crossed 50b. That should tell you something about how squeezed miners are atm.  And when summer comes many of them will have to look at costs connected to cooling those machines vs just turning them off.

Yeah. Well, my thory has been that if the market believes that bitcoin has a future it wonīt let it drop far enough to make most mining dubious. And with it the blockchain. Thus, the bottom at 220 or so, apart from those five second 210 and 215 blips.

The volume isn't here though. We have to move soon, my bottom is clenched.

I thought earlier that it had formed a solid support at 240-250 and I think itīll crawl back to there. Although the volume is always weak, bitcoin has this persistent and annoying buying from tons of small bulls. Annoying that is to those few and relatively big bears that have played it down (and of course sometimes up while they cover) for over a year now.

Bitcoin has twice tried for 300 in the last three months or so. A third isnīt too far fetched in the short to intermediate trem. Weīll see. Good luck, g

We need to punch through 300 and land comfortably at 380 soonish and climb to 450-550 over the summer. Then I would feel more confident. But as you say, we'll see. Good luck to you too.



1524. Post 11137084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Norway on April 19, 2015, 07:16:38 PM
2 USD down. Doesn't look good for my prediction that monday will be "Wall Street Monday"...  Sad

TBH I didn't understand your argument. A lot of old news would somehow create the perfect storm tomorrow for no real reason at all?

Of course, If you are right then we will all hail you as our new king.



1525. Post 11137127 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: macsga on April 19, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
walls bouncing a lot..

High volume dump on Huobi. Stamp follows. This could be interesting... Shocked

I can't say I see a high volume dump anywhere. I just see people selling all across the exchanges.



1526. Post 11137342 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Norway on April 19, 2015, 07:37:52 PM
2 USD down. Doesn't look good for my prediction that monday will be "Wall Street Monday"...  Sad

TBH I didn't understand your argument. A lot of old news would somehow create the perfect storm tomorrow for no real reason at all?

Of course, If you are right then we will all hail you as our new king.
King, lol!

It's mostly based on the GBTC delay, the fact that it could be wise to sync it with Gemini or COIN, Rand Pauls appearance at a bitcoin event today and signals the the BitLicence is "Comming very soon". And announcements often happens on mondays.

GBTC might start trading on monday, but I would think Gemini/Coin would want to comply with the final BitLicense before they launched. So it would be quite impressive if it came out the same day. And I would be surprised if that loon Rand Paul would get anyone to buy bitcoins. But I thought the price would be $850 by now, so wth do I know?



1527. Post 11137411 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: hyphymikey on April 19, 2015, 08:01:39 PM
Over 30K shorts. There isn't enough coins for sale to close those shorts out. If they cascade close we could see million dollar coins!

Yeah!!!

wut?

Yeaaahhh!!!!




1528. Post 11138399 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: empowering on April 19, 2015, 09:50:12 PM
GBTC might start trading on monday, but I would think Gemini/Coin would want to comply with the final BitLicense before they launched.

As I understand, Gemini (the Winkles' exchange) depends only on ordinary bureaucratic licenses (MSB, MTB, whatever).  If  Coinbase can function, they should be able to function too (unless they are based in NY and have to wait for the BitLicense because of that).

The COIN ETF is more complicated: it must be approved by the SEC, which is not just a bureaucratic formality.  There is no way to tell how long the SEC will take to decide, or whather it will get approved at all.  (In fact, I have read somewhere that, the longer the SEC takes to decide, the less likely is that it will be approved.)



whather 

What the heck, why not feed the TLDR Troll.

I'm guessing one of the functions of Gemini would be to provide liquidity to the ETF in an open and regulated way. Thus it would make sense to base it in New York, or at least have it comply with/conform to the BitLicense. Not to mention that if it's going to be an insured exchange they ought to comply/conform to the strictest or leading standards in order to keep insurance costs down. Plus, New York is where the money's at.

I would think they would launch the Gemini exchange before they launch the ETF since there might very well be that they won't get the ETF unless it's hooked up to an exchange that meets certain requirements. I am not sure if Coinbase meets the requirements to provide liquidity to an ETF.

Yes, it's all guesswork. But looking at the launch of Gemini it looks like not even the Twinkledinkles know what it takes to get that ETF through, so I'm in good company.



1529. Post 11138492 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Norway on April 19, 2015, 10:40:31 PM
GBTC might start trading on monday, but I would think Gemini/Coin would want to comply with the final BitLicense before they launched.

As I understand, Gemini (the Winkles' exchange) depends only on ordinary bureaucratic licenses (MSB, MTB, whatever).  If  Coinbase can function, they should be able to function too (unless they are based in NY and have to wait for the BitLicense because of that).

The COIN ETF is more complicated: it must be approved by the SEC, which is not just a bureaucratic formality.  There is no way to tell how long the SEC will take to decide, or whather it will get approved at all.  (In fact, I have read somewhere that, the longer the SEC takes to decide, the less likely is that it will be approved.)



whather  
I find it hard to believe that the heavyweight attorney that specializes in this SEC stuff can't make it happen or know the approach to making it a high probability. I'm sure she has had clients that work in key areas of the SEC and/or is on a first name basis w/ politicians that can properly lean on the needed personnel to lock this up. Furthermore, I'm sure major interest across wall street and the hedge fund scene want this type of thing up and running to put portions of their assets into it for an intense growth wing.

I'm sure Kathleen Moriarty has the skills needed, but this is a much bigger game than her getting ETFs approved by SEC through her carreer. The dollar and banking is at stake. At the same time, I think the people with power has realized that they have no good weapons to shut down bitcoin. I think they are just manipulating the price / stalling and trying to time everything in their favor. But I could be wrong (as I usually am when wearing my tinfoil hat.)

The US government can if they want to. All they need to do is arrest key people in the Bitcoin community for distributing an illegal alternative to the legal national currency and make a statement saying that the use of bitcoin is illegal. No lawmakers need to get involved, they have all the precedence they need. If they made it a priority to stop the use of bitcoin internationally they would make it part of their foreign policy and you would see one country after another fall in line. And Norway would be that annoying kid that does it very quickly and then starts pestering the other countries to do it too.



1530. Post 11140955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Shorts reached 30.7k this morning



1531. Post 11142044 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 20, 2015, 09:41:26 AM
I pretty much share the same short-term view.

Here's DanV's newest projection.



 Shocked So effectively the guy that predicted Bitcoin's spiralling down to, what, $50 has now predicted a turnaround and bounce-off of about current levels? Interesting turn of events.

It certainly is. Now that his TA based predictions conforms with my hopes and dreams I must declare that TA is hard-science and is a powerful tool to help predict the market.



1532. Post 11142872 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

I just read the Coindesk article about 21. Not convinced. I don't think the 21 guy knows what he's talking about. It might fall flat on its face.



1533. Post 11143061 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 20, 2015, 12:09:53 PM
I just read the Coindesk article about 21. Not convinced. I don't think the 21 guy knows what he's talking about. It might fall flat on its face.

So either thery're people with a lot of Fiat, willing to take a very big gamble or people who have a vision and dare to invest their money in those ideas.
Or simply lose all their invstors money to something that won't work and further damage Bitcoins poor reputation.



1534. Post 11143177 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: empowering on April 20, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
I just read the Coindesk article about 21. Not convinced. I don't think the 21 guy knows what he's talking about. It might fall flat on its face.

Specifically what is it that makes you think he does not know what he is talking about? (just out of interest)

(also.... what do you see as Bitcoins poor reputation)
1. He seems to confuse miners with nodes and compares sha256 asics to conventional servers. He also claims that the 10min block time can easily be changed seemingly without understanding the implications of that. Then he alludes to a closed loop system with vendors without any specifics, and if the previous points are not simply due to intentional over simplification or provocation I fear that they might hit a snag that they can't get past.
 
2. Exchange scandals, illicit activities, scams, theft, worst investment of the year awards.


Edit: 2. And right wing extremist libertarian loons.



1535. Post 11143236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: hdbuck on April 20, 2015, 12:33:26 PM
I just read the Coindesk article about 21. Not convinced. I don't think the 21 guy knows what he's talking about. It might fall flat on its face.

Specifically what is it that makes you think he does not know what he is talking about? (just out of interest)

(also.... what do you see as Bitcoins poor reputation)

hem, Coindesk? Grin

Very possible. I hope so. Sad for Coindesk though.



1536. Post 11143406 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: empowering on April 20, 2015, 12:57:23 PM
I just read the Coindesk article about 21. Not convinced. I don't think the 21 guy knows what he's talking about. It might fall flat on its face.

Specifically what is it that makes you think he does not know what he is talking about? (just out of interest)

(also.... what do you see as Bitcoins poor reputation)
1. He seems to confuse miners with nodes and compares sha256 asics to conventional servers. He also claims that the 10min block time can easily be changed seemingly without understanding the implications of that. Then he alludes to a closed loop system with vendors without any specifics, and if the previous points are not simply due to intentional over simplification or provocation I fear that they might hit a snag that they can't get past.
 
2. Exchange scandals, illicit activities, scams, theft, worst investment of the year awards.


Edit: 2. And right wing extremist libertarian loons.

Ok cool thanks I have not read the article yet, I will give it a read later... you would really strongly hope that they would get people in management, that really know their beans, what with all of that investment..  (any idea if there is any video available of his talk? sorry being lazy having hectic day/week, got a plane to catch)

As for the bad reputation...  all of those things you list, are not to do with BTC per se, but more to do with some of the people involved in some of the ecosystem, and are of course things that happen with every currency/commodity/anything of value.

Apart from "worst investment of the year" which  does not really mean much tbh.
I'm on a phone on the move as well.

Regarding the bad reputation bit. You're preaching to the choir, but that doesn't mean BTC doesn't have an image problem. And if 21 blow the largest investment run in this sector on a mirage, that won't help.



1537. Post 11144996 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Torque on April 20, 2015, 03:57:14 PM
You know what's more excruciating than a high volume dump down to $180?  A slow, 12 month grind down to $180.  From the average Joe, I'm sensing a huge amount of apathy for bitcoin right now, which sucks.

Why no apathy in the years before Jan 2013?  Are we still way above what can be supported?

I fear that if Bitcoin was what it is supposed to be you wouldn't have to ask the question. We would just see stable high volume on all exchanges. Instead we see the market and volume move according to the sentiments of speculators. If someone really needed BTC they would just buy it and use it without hanging out to see what the price would do. That doesn't mean that it can't sustain a highish price as a speculators plaything, but I would be more comfortable if speculators accounted for 10% of the volume, not 90-98%.

Edit: typo: can should be can't



1538. Post 11150663 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Volume not looking good. If we don't get a move on we might see a drop tomorrow.



1539. Post 11151715 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Still looks like volume might end up around the 10k mark on finex. Not a good sign. Anyone who care to guess where we'll end up?



1540. Post 11151723 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: dakota neat on April 21, 2015, 09:57:26 AM
wtf @hashrate 4.16PH, block time down to 8.18 min  Huh

I don't know why, but luck tends to swing sharply into plus-territory just after a difficulty adjustment. Happened last time as well.



1541. Post 11153155 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Volume thus far today on Bitstamp: 2617, Bitfinex: 6949, BTC-E: 4797 ?!?!

When did BTC-E become twice as big as Bitstamp?



1542. Post 11153521 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on April 21, 2015, 02:00:06 PM
Volume thus far today on Bitstamp: 2617, Bitfinex: 6949, BTC-E: 4797 ?!?!

When did BTC-E become twice as big as Bitstamp?
After they got hacked

Yeez, well I guess it's good for BTC-E. The shadiest of the bunch is also the safest. Who knew?



1543. Post 11156730 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Pump it! Louder! Pump it! Louder!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaI2IlHwmgQ

Edit:

Quote from: Specular on April 21, 2015, 08:02:31 PM
It seems that we are going up.

I agree with this statement.

Based on the movement seen these last minutes I have to concur.



1544. Post 11156819 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Norway on April 21, 2015, 08:07:30 PM
It seems that we are going up.

I agree with this statement.
Roger that!
Here's your big event, congrats!



1545. Post 11156910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

10k to 210 and 7k to 220 on finex



1546. Post 11156959 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 21, 2015, 08:20:29 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

8 days of sideways now. No end in sight.

Better grind some coffee before I fall back asleep.

Mmmm, coffee.....
The coffee has helped!

Maybe I should make another potful to see if it leads to another spike up.

Another like this one might put a squeeze on some shorts.

Will be interesting to see what's happened to shorts on finex. To me it looks like people are just piling more on top of this.



1547. Post 11157056 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on April 21, 2015, 08:24:34 PM
Even if this would turn out to be a pump and dump, it shows that the're are quite some people who have an eye on Bitcoin.

They've been skipping the pump part lately so I am chuffed to bits already.



1548. Post 11157090 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on April 21, 2015, 08:33:26 PM
$300 easy

Lets hope Barry, Draper and the Winkletinkles can push this past $300 this time.



1549. Post 11157101 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 21, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
And so starts the biggest rally in bitcoin history.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. A $9 rise is hardly the sign of a huge rally.

I wouldn't start posting rocket train GIFs quite yet, even if the mods were allowing them.

This could just as easily go back down as further up.

Come on man!! Hype is all I've got left. Tarmi took everything else.



1550. Post 11157322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on April 21, 2015, 08:58:04 PM
This is just the beginning. Wink

A message to the bears perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTL4qIIxg8A



1551. Post 11157429 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on April 21, 2015, 09:15:33 PM
wow huobi!

WOWZA!!!



1552. Post 11157520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on April 21, 2015, 09:23:26 PM
wow huobi!

how much is 45 yens worth in dollar or other currency that has some value meaning for me?


45 Japanese Yen equals
0.3760 US Dollar

Source - Google


Chinese Yen not Japanese Yen dumb fuck..

...yuan



1553. Post 11157591 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on April 21, 2015, 09:29:55 PM
Yeah yeah.. Yuan..

Who fucking cares when we have Bitcoin

Apparently, you do:

Quote from: DutchTrades on April 21, 2015, 09:23:26 PM
wow huobi!

how much is 45 yens worth in dollar or other currency that has some value meaning for me?


45 Japanese Yen equals
0.3760 US Dollar

Source - Google


Chinese Yen not Japanese Yen dumb fuck..




1554. Post 11157665 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Norway on April 21, 2015, 09:43:29 PM
Something is going seriously wrong at Huobi.  Huh
Yes, insane!

EDIT: Maybe manipulative dumpers have lost their power!
Did y'all notice OKCoin dumped down to 1387 during the rise?

Link? (I use bitcoinwisdom, no OKCoin there...)
Yes it is, just look at the list under "markets".



1555. Post 11160567 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Just woke up. Price not in freefall. Happy times!



1556. Post 11160851 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Cassius on April 22, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
Nothing is more funny to a bull than the OKcoin bear that got margin called today for 31,000 BTC/3 million dollars. His wife is gonna kill him.



You need to have some guts to go 10x leverage with $3 mill tho, gotta give him that.

Does that mean he lost $3m?

Funny thing is, imagine all those who got all their low bids filled because of his margin call only to see it shoot up $10 a second later.



1557. Post 11161082 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

looks like neither long nor short swaps moved on finex



1558. Post 11161210 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

China pushing up to 237. Finex, BTC-E and Bitstamp not moving at all.



1559. Post 11161289 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on April 22, 2015, 08:23:43 AM
China pushing up to 237. Finex, BTC-E and Bitstamp not moving at all.

Coinbase exchange is staying over OKcoin spot price at the moment.


Sweet, then the others will probably creep up too.



1560. Post 11161662 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 22, 2015, 09:15:36 AM
China pushing up to 237. Finex, BTC-E and Bitstamp not moving at all.

Coinbase exchange is staying over OKcoin spot price at the moment.


Sweet, then the others will probably creep up too.


Creep up, but for how long will it last.  BTC prices have had a tough time in the past 6 months or so.  Surely, we need to see some creeping back into the $300 and $400 territories... and really, $500 or $600 seems to be a much more reasonable ongoing value for the next year or so... though I probably would NOT even be content with that in order to get some meaningful market cap for BTC to be in the 10s of billions rather than in the lower single digits of billions.



It all depends on what kind of headway it makes in the months to come. If it  finds some convincing mainstream usage we can kiss the sub thousands goodbye before the year is up.



1561. Post 11161719 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: minerpumpkin on April 22, 2015, 09:46:52 AM
China pushing up to 237. Finex, BTC-E and Bitstamp not moving at all.

Coinbase exchange is staying over OKcoin spot price at the moment.


Sweet, then the others will probably creep up too.


Creep up, but for how long will it last.  BTC prices have had a tough time in the past 6 months or so.  Surely, we need to see some creeping back into the $300 and $400 territories... and really, $500 or $600 seems to be a much more reasonable ongoing value for the next year or so... though I probably would NOT even be content with that in order to get some meaningful market cap for BTC to be in the 10s of billions rather than in the lower single digits of billions.



It all depends on what kind of headway it makes in the months to come. If it  finds some convincing mainstream usage we can kiss the sub thousands goodbye before the year is up.


How do you define 'mainstream usage'? I think many people are still hoping their dreams of paying for their coffee at every plain old coffee shop becomes true - I don't think Bitcoin was made for that, it actually makes things more complicated when paying for your coffee or beer.

TBH I have a feeling BTC could make headway in purchase of digital content by under 18s.



1562. Post 11163295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: noobtrader on April 22, 2015, 12:06:39 PM
China pushing up to 237. Finex, BTC-E and Bitstamp not moving at all.

Coinbase exchange is staying over OKcoin spot price at the moment.


Sweet, then the others will probably creep up too.


Creep up, but for how long will it last.  BTC prices have had a tough time in the past 6 months or so.  Surely, we need to see some creeping back into the $300 and $400 territories... and really, $500 or $600 seems to be a much more reasonable ongoing value for the next year or so... though I probably would NOT even be content with that in order to get some meaningful market cap for BTC to be in the 10s of billions rather than in the lower single digits of billions.



It all depends on what kind of headway it makes in the months to come. If it  finds some convincing mainstream usage we can kiss the sub thousands goodbye before the year is up.


How do you define 'mainstream usage'? I think many people are still hoping their dreams of paying for their coffee at every plain old coffee shop becomes true - I don't think Bitcoin was made for that, it actually makes things more complicated when paying for your coffee or beer.

TBH I have a feeling BTC could make headway in purchase of digital content by under 18s.

i agree,

gaming industry will be hugely profited by blockchain, imagine pirate-proof games

I was thinking more along the lines of kids getting their allowance in BTC to buy ring tones, games, apps.



1563. Post 11164721 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Cassius on April 22, 2015, 04:03:39 PM
Anyone else think it's suspicious that the Gox lawyer is called Kobayashi, just like in The Usual Suspects? Pretty sure no good can come of this.

I was thinking of Kobayashi Maru.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru



1564. Post 11165341 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 22, 2015, 04:56:13 PM
Anyone else think it's suspicious that the Gox lawyer is called Kobayashi, just like in The Usual Suspects? Pretty sure no good can come of this.
I was thinking of Kobayashi Maru.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

Kobayashi is a very common Japanese surname; I had a colleague with it.

Anyone finds it suspicious that the Coinbase CEO is Armstrong, like the first man to step on the moon?  Cheesy

or the guy who got his seven Tour De France victories taken away.

If you're a trek-fan I thought it might be funny with the Kobayashi Maru thing, but I guess Stolfi waved that away with his superior intelligence. All hail The Glorious Honorable Doctor Professor Jorge Stolfi!

Hmmm... I thought I had him on ignore.



1565. Post 11165938 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

There is something weird happening. People are buying bitcoins.



1566. Post 11166012 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Cassius on April 22, 2015, 05:39:22 PM
Anyone else think it's suspicious that the Gox lawyer is called Kobayashi, just like in The Usual Suspects? Pretty sure no good can come of this.
I was thinking of Kobayashi Maru.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

Kobayashi is a very common Japanese surname; I had a colleague with it.

Anyone finds it suspicious that the Coinbase CEO is Armstrong, like the first man to step on the moon?  Cheesy

Speaking of people who don't see jokes where they're obvious, here's something that's not funny at all: http://cointelegraph.com/news/114039/us-government-subpoenas-bitcointalk-pms-affecting-600-users
Which is a fraction of a fraction of less than 1% of users on this forum. Now if it read that the govt was wanting most or all pm data from around here, then there would be major cause for alarm.

You seriously don't get why it's not cool?

If they have to tear down bitcointalk to buttfuck Butterfly Labs then I'm ok with it. If they get any of mine I hope they get some lols.



1567. Post 11168233 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 22, 2015, 09:55:47 PM
Hang on fellas

It gets worse from here

Worse? Shorts are at 29k on finex. Traders already shorted the hell out of btc and even if few actually start selling more others will start covering their shorts which are in red at the moment.
After yesterday rape on okcoin casino I doubt traders will jump back in until they get some clear signals which way we go.

Stamp really needs to do something about market depth.

I'm a bit worried that stamps operation might not be scaled for these low prices at this low volume. They might be in for a rough ride if stuff doesn't pick up soon.



1568. Post 11168566 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: gentlemand on April 22, 2015, 10:57:06 PM
I fucking hate the shorts, they ruin all the game.

They ain't going anywhere now. They'll be with us forever from now on.

Yup. We can't blame bitcoin for being freedom to short as well. We'll just have to hope she'll ride the waves without sinking.



1569. Post 11170983 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: macsga on April 23, 2015, 07:04:47 AM

I don't to see how a strict regulation which almost everyone declared too tight would increase demand on the market. People claimed crypto developers will flee New York if this regulation is released.

There are always 2 faces in the same coin. IMHO, Bitcoin NEEDS regulation if we're heading for bigger things. Let's see how this evolves, since it's a critical point towards mass adoption.

you NEED to go to bed.

Also, drop the mass adpotion crap.

It's morning here buddy. It's 10:00am and I'm up since 05:50... and WTF is ad-potion?  Grin

Come on man! Don't you understand that when the state falls Bitcoin is gonna be the currency of the free? It's the only thing that will work! The magic of the internet will superseed the need for statist infrastructure!

Jeeeeeeez!



1570. Post 11171707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

No volume on finex today: 3236 vs 2994 on stamp and 2454 on BTC-E



1571. Post 11171843 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: shmadz on April 23, 2015, 09:20:53 AM
Absolutely everything else is already taxed and regulated (or made illegal). Can't we have one, just one tiny little thing which isn't? You know...if stuff can't get by without being regulated by people who had no part in creating and maintaining it, if it is absolutely necessary to have oversight by people whose reward is in no way connected to their performance, if it really absolutely positively can't work that way - why worry? Let it serve as an example, a final undeniable argument that indeed you can't have nice things without government oversight and regulation. I mean the result is obvious and certain and it would serve as a bulletproof argument and example against these crazy anarchist libtards who keep on insisting on ridiculous concepts like being able to make your own decisions while accepting responsibility for them. It would show them once and for all that it simply can't work. People are too greedy and stupid to be left to make their own decisions, we need other greedy and stupid people to make the decisions for them, because putting greedy and stupid people into positions of power with unlimited resources and zero responsibility makes them altruistic and smart, this is a well-known fact which has been proven again and again, just like the fact that nothing can exist without government regulation.

Bitcoin is like the gateway drug of crypto. Just to get them started, and then once they're comfortable you start mixing in some coin-join and ring signatures...

The transparent ledger allows them the illusion of control, but once people have gotten that first taste of what bitcoin can offer, they'll be hooked. At that point, if they try to regulate too heavily, people will just fork the code or move on to an alt that can't be regulated.

Regulation is a problem that will solve itself, one way or the other.

I think that's pretty much right. Even if the BitLicense isn't to everyones taste, I genuinely believe the Lawsky team are trying to give Bitcoin as much room as possible. Same with London. What they realize (or should realize) is that if they go too far, other countries will take the lead on this and leave them behind. That's one of the real strengths of Bitcoin. Not that governments can't do anything about it, because they can. But Bitcoin isn't dependent on one state. If New York or London doesn't want it, there are plenty of other places that will take it to heart. So why fight it?



1572. Post 11171924 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on April 23, 2015, 09:31:33 AM
Feeling a 2am little momentum in the force!

Futures increasing!

Low volume pumps scares me a bit. But then again, less chance of breaking 150 on the way down.



1573. Post 11172720 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on April 23, 2015, 09:13:14 AM
No volume on finex today: 3236 vs 2994 on stamp and 2454 on BTC-E

Finex=3964
Stamp=4737
BTC-E=3194



1574. Post 11173235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on April 23, 2015, 12:06:57 PM
No volume on finex today: 3236 vs 2994 on stamp and 2454 on BTC-E

Finex=3964
Stamp=4737
BTC-E=3194

Not as many folks rushing in line to short Bitcoin  Tongue
Considering that finex is short-central that's true I guess. Thanks for finding the silver lining!



1575. Post 11175273 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: noobtrader on April 23, 2015, 04:38:10 PM
the price is so flat these last few days, i wonder if we will see more sudden pump like what happen last time Huh

is it true that whale are now conducting test pump ?




test pump? what for?

to test weak hand before real pump, if there is a new pump im sure btc price can reach ath

at ath or recent ath?




1576. Post 11182014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: empowering on April 24, 2015, 11:07:22 AM
If I was Satoshi I would have unloaded all my shit @ 1000 USD.
Then I'd be Dan Bilzerian'ing it until my last day on earth.

If bitcoin collapses to 0 $/BTC, there will be thousands of furious bagholders screaming 'ponzi' and looking for someone to sue. Most early adopters who cashed out in time may be able to claim that they only believed the spiel and were just lucky.  The unlucky ones, and law enforcement, will go after the man who conceived and implemented the scam.  If he were to pocket hundreds of millions... Guess where that money would have come out of.  

Fantasy....
Economics, Law... Maybe H.H.Dr.Prof should stick to fixing typewriters at Gangsta U.



1577. Post 11182764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: 8up on April 24, 2015, 12:47:57 PM
You guys still bind your thinking to the good old dollar. Satoshi made himself free of this thinking. There is no way Satoshi is even in the need of cashing out into fiat.

How do I get all these people sending me bills to free themselves from this thinking?



1578. Post 11185217 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 24, 2015, 05:08:11 PM
If I understand your philosophy re: Bitcoin, there is only 'the worst':  Either Bitcoin will fail on its own defects, or some government(s) will destroy it, if it works as designed.  Is that a fair summation of your position?

As it says in my signature, I cannot imagine a plausible future where bitcoin will be successful.  I see many ways in which it could fail, those are two of them.  The more I read, the more skeptical I become.



Then again, the question on everyone's mind: why the F-- are you here, in the Bitcoin spec forum.  Day. After. Day. After. Day. After. Day. After. Day.

You believe that you can change the minds of a few longs that MIGHT happen across your posts?  Most of your readers are gonna be a few day traders and trolls.  That's it.

C'mon dude, the majority of bitcoin believers in the world don't even speak or read English. They certainly wouldn't spend most of their time here, hanging on your every word. So you are wasting your breath and everyone's time.

Go write some dissenting blogs, articles, white papers, something other than trolling this spec sub.

If bitcoin is to succeed, then these points must be argued against. But that rarely happens. The poster will be simply called a troll, a few ad hominen attacks on him and then put on a stupid, pointless ignore list.

The sad thing is that even the most rabid bitcoiners find it difficult to string a few words together into a logical argument to defend bitcoin. Thats what worries me most.

It's been done to death. On this thread alone it's been done every other page. That's 6000 pages. Knock yourself out.



1579. Post 11185421 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: aminorex on April 24, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
...economics of minining ... This system simply does not make any economic sense.  

I believe this quote captures the substance of your post and is the point which merits discussion.

I agree generally, that the centralization of mining is a threat, in principle, albeit not in practice to date, to the security of the ledger.

I also agree, generally, that the current energy expenditure is far in excess of the need of the design goals.


I further agree, generally, that price motivates that expenditure.

Whether it makes "economic sense" is a strange question, politically and philosophically loaded.  Clearly it makes sense, because you have made sense of it, explaining features of its causal structure.  I think what you mean is that the gap between energy expenditure motivated by technical needs, and energy expenditure motivated by economic factors is offensive to your sensibilities.  I am somewhat sympathetic to this complaint, but the market is, as we see, without sympathy.

An argument can be made that the economic value-add of the network suffices to explain all or part of the gap which offends you, and you seem to acknowledge that implicitly, but consider it inadequate to the scale of the gap.  This view would gain respect, if you were to quantify it, or to offer a reasoned case as to why the value-add is less than the present energy cost.

No "hype" is required to explain a deviation of current price from some present fundamental metric.  All that is required is a rational discounting of a future price estimate (which should really be in the form of a distribution).

(Aside, I observe that this discussion is off-topic, which may annoy some who frequent the thread.)


There is a link between these two points. The power demands are such that there is a limit to how much of the mining network can be located in one area or one country. When you are pulling 10-20MW you are affecting the price in the area to such an extent that doubling this will often prove difficult to make economically viable. Of course, a company can always look for sites elsewhere, but local knowledge is often key. There is a reason why KnC mines in the north of Sweden and Bitfury mines in Georgia. KnC would get ripped apart in Georgia while Bitfury understands how to do business there. On the flip side KnC knows that some of these poor counties in northern Sweden will work their asses off to get the necessary approvals and price assurances in place in order to get energy intensive industry to their county.  This promotes decentralization.



1580. Post 11185764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: fonsie on April 24, 2015, 06:38:21 PM
I will e-mail you some gold for.

Don't forget to call him first, otherwise your gold is lost forever in his SPAM folder. E-mail is very dangerous (see: http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/NoEMail.html). Emails actually make little sense. Been telling it for years now to people, I'm completely stocked up on pigeons for the day that email dies. Better try to send a fax with the gold attached in the meantime. It's a bit heavy for my pigeons.

I guess he can't be bothered with figuring out how the spam folder works when he has all this trolling to do. If someone ever asks you what's wrong with the Brazilian education system, Jorge Stolfi should be on the top of that list.

Sry for making fun of Sao Paolo. Stolfi is such a dick that there's bound to be some collateral damage.



1581. Post 11185993 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: noobtrader on April 24, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
IMHO i dont think that btc price can goto 0.

even at the worst scenario where mining become unprofitable either because halving or price drop, then big miner will either create some foundation to buy coin and create stability (in effect they become crypto bank which supply coin when price go up and buy back when price go down) or they can go elsewhere with their money.


Everyone here will be hoarding at $1 just for the lols.



1582. Post 11211001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Elwar on April 27, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
If I understand your philosophy re: Bitcoin, there is only 'the worst':  Either Bitcoin will fail on its own defects, or some government(s) will destroy it, if it works as designed.  Is that a fair summation of your position?

As it says in my signature, I cannot imagine...<snip>

Yet another liberal who is not able to imagine a future where a technology improves things. What a surprise.

You're a liberal, he's a socialist. Those aren't dirty words. They have specific meanings.



1583. Post 11211189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: tabnloz on April 27, 2015, 01:17:45 PM
Massive support at 218-200, good time to buy if you still got fiat.. Also a Grexit is getting more and more likely, if this will happen it would be a big boost for Bitcoin.

Do you really reckon that's going to happen? I think the EU leaders will do everything in their power to avoid than scenario. Also, even Greece doesn't really want to get out of the Euro zone. Even if they left, they can't just decide to break off of the world economy. It they don't do their best to get their economy back on track, they'll be getting themselves into serious trouble, I guess...

They could default on their greek government debts, drop out of the eurozone but amend their legal tender laws to allow any currency, including euros, to circulate freely and be used by anyone. That would be their most sane course of action, so it will not happen.

Yeah, that would be a bold move, I guess, but it would effectively wipe out every last remaining drop of trust investors and creditors have left in Greece. Also, I believe this would also pretty much throw Greece's economy back into... the stone age maybe? Or do you think this could be a wise thing to do, actually?

Very, very wise. Investigate Panama, Hong Kong, Switzerland and Scottish free-banking eras. Greece would recover very quickly once they rescinded the massive debts that are strangling them to death and let economic freedoms flourish. All they need is a sound currency footing and a believable commitment to free markets, like any nation.

Being in Greece and closely monitoring the situation; I can only say that this "Grexit" scenario is a bold marketing trick. The elephant in the room is Germany and Deutsche Bank (please take a look at their leverage level on their loans). Nobody wants Greece out of the EU; that is except for the Greeks. Eliminating the decoy, would immediately turn heads towards the REAL problem of the EU Banking problem.

We're Greeks; not fools. A second currency would definitely rule out many of the problems (except if it was in the form of IOUs). Gresham's Law has always been accurate in the past and if THAT second currency would've been BTC over Euro, then goodbye debt crisis for Greece. Maybe April's fool joke from Yianis Varoufakis should be taken more seriously, if you ask me.

Unfortunately, after Riga it seems not feasible; so don't expect a rally from a Grexit or Gr-BTC adoption.  Undecided

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/



Seems like YV might be getting sidelined - see his FDR tweet and a 'new' negotiating team joining the discussions to try and get the new bailouts over the line. Reports say YV did not want to remove Syriza's 'living wage' increases and the Troika, well, not such big fans.

Still don't think they will default and BTC won't even rate a mention so this never ending decline will continue, at least until the bears and quick buck traders near destroy it. But it will be back Smiley

The proof is in the pudding. People didn't jump off the Titanic when it was 12000 feet under water. They jumped before it had sunk. And the greeks are currently not buying BTC any more than the rest of us.



1584. Post 11211397 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on April 27, 2015, 01:42:24 PM
Looks like somebody hacked a BTC-E account that only had fiat in it, so the hackers had to buy BTC to withdraw them.

That's the only explanation I can find for that BTC-E pump that no other exchange followed/is following, lol
Yeah, that must be it. How's that Super Crash of yours going?

You know, if nobody believes it will crash beyond 140-150 you won't get a crash to 140-150.



1585. Post 11211475 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on April 27, 2015, 01:55:31 PM
Looks like somebody hacked a BTC-E account that only had fiat in it, so the hackers had to buy BTC to withdraw them.

That's the only explanation I can find for that BTC-E pump that no other exchange followed/is following, lol
Yeah, that must be it. How's that Super Crash of yours going?

You know, if nobody believes it will crash beyond 140-150 you won't get a crash to 140-150.
?
I thought so



1586. Post 11211756 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

@empowerin @WandererFromTheNorth  you might be right, we'll see



1587. Post 11212084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.12h):

Quote from: empowering on April 27, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
@empowerin @WandererFromTheNorth  you might be right, we'll see

Huh?  I am bullish (in general)

I have stated my position, stated where I see support levels and resistance levels.

I am not cheerleading for dooooooooooooooooooom per se.

I am merely stating that if it happens, the bears would either
a) killed bitcoin
b) made a lot of traders very happy, myself included

The least profitable outcome would be to shoot up from here now.

But the bears know everything,  so I leave it in their capable paws

There is some great action coming....

You have to be blind not to see it.

The only thing I am predicting is,  greed, and that my strategy will do just fine regardless.

I am.waiting for the bears to do something stupid.

I pray that they do.... It will put an end to their reign of yawn.

Like I have said make my day.

Note my latest analysis,  had support and resistance levels... A breach down past lowest support  or a breach up past top short term res levels is when either btc is fucked beyond recovery,  and in which case I have another project I am itching to start, or a breach upwards means that the accumulation/trading period for me is over.

Personally I vote the bears are greedy and make me lots of money, or that they break btc all together and then I get to go rally driving.

So eitherway,  bring the döoooooom,  mainly because I am bored of hearing the same old tired shit.




Qe? I'm on a shitty android phone. My reply to your grexit comment just happened to be the same as to Strider.



1588. Post 11214326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on April 27, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
I really have no idea which way it will go.

I have read convincing posts from bulls and bears.

As always.....  I am confused.


We should be going down to 180 at least, but Tarmi and his dawgs can't seem to make it happen.



Quote from: tarmi on April 27, 2015, 06:03:53 PM
double digits soon!

you can quote me.

Nice to see you sweat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEXrbAQyIo



1589. Post 11214800 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 27, 2015, 07:19:46 PM
Maybe something fishy is going on at btc-e.;/
Ofc I don't know anything. Just guess.

If it was wobbly the best thing to do would be to convert to BTC and GTFO

And if it goes down you will make a handsome fortune on those shorts



1590. Post 11215005 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 27, 2015, 06:24:12 PM
Some decent buying action today, it seems! Have we decided on a theory about what caused that bull-run on BTC-e? If it was inside knowledge, I think other exchanges wouldn't have lagged behind that much, volume-wise it doesn't make sense to just buy on one exchange if you buy those amounts, IMO.

Don't BTC-E have a fairly relaxed KYC-policy? That could explain why some would load up there.



1591. Post 11215545 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: inca on April 27, 2015, 08:25:43 PM
Shorts on finex back over 33000.

We could go up or down. But holding support, GBTC trading commencing with a nice squeeeze would be fun, eh doomers?

Do you genuinely believe GBTC trading will have any effect? If so, why? I think we might be at the bottom and we might see a rally any time now, but I don't see why it should be related to GBTC trading.

This stock quote sure isn't uplifting:

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/gbtc



1592. Post 11215910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Norway on April 27, 2015, 09:07:42 PM
250 at BTC E!

Holy smoly!!! WTF!!!! WUUUUT!!!!!

Huh

It's bouncing all over the place. I smell rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Edit: This movement is mental!!!

Edit 2: Might be a glitch somewhere one sale had volume: 5e-8



1593. Post 11215968 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 27, 2015, 09:11:46 PM
$255.4 now on BTC-e... This is Gox-level spread right there! Didn't think I'd ever see this again. This is either a very good sign or a very bad one. I wouldn't really want to try and arbitrage that, I guess. *grabsPopcorn* So, really a Russian ban, or what are your guesses now?

I guess if you wanted to trip arb bots into bull-mode BTC-E would be cheapest



1594. Post 11216038 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Volume is already over half of the jan 14 crash volume



1595. Post 11216141 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: publicjud on April 27, 2015, 09:30:43 PM
Starting to pull Finex and Stamp up but Huobi is not impressed.

This could really pop if people start panic covering.

So, in an hour we will see if all them coins are transferred to the other exchanges and insta-dumped?

No sleep for me tonight.



1596. Post 11216147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: An old pal on April 27, 2015, 09:32:31 PM
Shorters are Pissing their pants right now. Imagine that whale's  Fiat coming to bitfinex  Shocked

more like fapping



1597. Post 11216193 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on April 27, 2015, 09:35:47 PM
If you were a large investor looking to trick the market I guess buying on BTC-e much like today will net you a lot of cheap coins on the other exchange for people who think BTC-e is going under.
That doesn't even look like a pump attempt.

It just looks like people that have money there want to get the hell out of the exchange like there is no tomorrow.

Looks like arb bots on other exchanges are turned off. BTC-E is running out of BTC. Only E left. Escape?



1598. Post 11216238 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: itod on April 27, 2015, 09:40:42 PM
This is as bad as it gets. Somebody is withdrawing from BTC-E in panic no matter how big his/their losses are. People are in piece with the major loss only when there is no other alternative. This means somebody knows something majority of us don't. My guess is that BTC-E is going down for one reason or another.

If the site goes "down for maintenance" it's pee your pants time



1599. Post 11216260 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on April 27, 2015, 09:43:34 PM
Now THIS is Bitcoin!  Grin
+1



1600. Post 11216326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 27, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
shorting like a MOFO

You've got cojones, I'll give you that.



1601. Post 11216420 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 27, 2015, 09:51:16 PM
poor fuckers, I will make a ton of money on you.

Won't be poor much longer if this action keeps up



1602. Post 11216529 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: empowering on April 27, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
poor fuckers, I will make a ton of money on you.

You are not very pleasant, and no amount of money will fix that you camel humping douchette  Wink
+1



1603. Post 11216577 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: bassclef on April 27, 2015, 10:12:52 PM
Possible front running of GBTC trading?

How would that work? I still don't see how one would bleed into the other?



1604. Post 11216594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 27, 2015, 09:53:35 PM
I gotta ask... Tarmi, palms already sweaty? If your phone is ringing, you know very well who it could be: Margin. Cheesy This rise doesn't even have to be organic, the mere fact that Finex and Huobi, et al. are following, is causing some nice short squeezes, that could end very ugly for a lot of people bears.


the mere fact that you poor fuckers cant see a shitstorm that is coming to you is what will make me rich.

How can you not be rich already after 2014?

All talk?



1605. Post 11216675 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 27, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
poor fuckers, I will make a ton of money on you.

You are not very pleasant, and no amount of money will fix that you camel humping douchette  Wink


between being kind and pleasant to idiots on bitcointalk and being rich in reality...I choose rich every fucking day.

I would too, but one has nothing to do with the other.



1606. Post 11216709 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

The mere fact that we haven't seen Adam calling for the moon is bullish to me.



1607. Post 11219827 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 28, 2015, 07:18:04 AM
Ok in the end I couldn't resist and I shorted more last night
Thank you BTC-E shenanigans for replenishing my shorts  Grin


Now partially closing to have a higher base, keeping the rest.

There could be another push up on btc-e...

Yup, they might have just been waiting for the order book to fill up.



1608. Post 11221010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Tzupy on April 28, 2015, 10:17:33 AM
I almost placed a 3x leveraged short at 229$, but was too lazy to press the margin sell button.
Thought I had time until tomorrow to reach 229$, but now I'll have to wait a bit and see how this situation develops.

scared

No, not scared, this was before the crazy BTC-E pump. I expected a small rise reaching about 230$ today, so at that time I had no reason to be scared.
If I wouldn't have been lazy (by delaying placing the short limit order for the next day), yes I would have been scared when seeing the crazy pump.
I still don't understand the BTC-E pump, need more time to see the follow-up, and am now waiting for a new low risk entry for my planned short.

Is BTC-E still a black hole when it comes to info or is there any chance we will get to know what happened?



1609. Post 11221027 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 28, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
and what's this story about understanding what happened yesterday?

we can assume it was the stupidity of a bull (that's new  Grin). he was about to get margin called, needed more coins/$ to refinance his position and debt and voila - the best place to collect coins was btc-e.

now we can continue our downtrend, this merely postponed it for a day.

ie a bull bought a ton of coins

bullish!!

Thanks Tarmi! I knew you would come around!



1610. Post 11222216 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: lyth0s on April 28, 2015, 12:59:01 PM

If you wanna give me even moar coinz, go ahead. I'm patient and not over-leveraged. The lower it goes, the more buying power I have.



no, stupid fuck.

your buying power will be the same, you will just buy more coins.

My ability to buy coinz will increase




I can see that only your ability to bullshit is increasing while prices are decreasing.

no actual use of it.

Since when are people so toxic when they make nice profits? You should be thanking him and the rest of us bulls for buying your coins when you opened your short, as we are thanking the bears for lower bitcoin prices.

Bears can enjoy their increased amount of fiat while bulls enjoy their increased number of bitcoins. See how the market works in harmony? Cheesy



why should I be thanking idiots for being idiots, even if I am making money on them?

it's not about me being toxic, but this worthless community.

Because you can't make money if no one buys the coins you're selling?

This is about you being toxic actually. If this community is worthless, why are you apart of it? Why do you have 2000+ posts? -- That's rather active engagement in something that's "worthless".

By your rage I'm actually thinking you took some serious losses and are pissed about it. Next time think twice about shorting so hard so you don't get burned in these small (but quick) run ups.


Edit: I only have 1800 posts, you are more active in this community than I am!! LOL. Good times.

And I repeat:

Quote from: Fatman3001 on April 27, 2015, 10:16:45 PM
I gotta ask... Tarmi, palms already sweaty? If your phone is ringing, you know very well who it could be: Margin. Cheesy This rise doesn't even have to be organic, the mere fact that Finex and Huobi, et al. are following, is causing some nice short squeezes, that could end very ugly for a lot of people bears.


the mere fact that you poor fuckers cant see a shitstorm that is coming to you is what will make me rich.

How can you not be rich already after 2014?

All talk?




1611. Post 11222230 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on April 28, 2015, 01:04:36 PM

If you wanna give me even moar coinz, go ahead. I'm patient and not over-leveraged. The lower it goes, the more buying power I have.



no, stupid fuck.

your buying power will be the same, you will just buy more coins.

My ability to buy coinz will increase, even if the amount of fiat I have to spend remains constant. I'm pretty sure you'll run out of coinz to sell before I run out of fiat, unless I get fired I suppose.
Chinese megaminers have plenty of coins to dump, don't worry about that  Grin

Yes, cause that's what miners want to do: Destroy the value of Bitcoin.



1612. Post 11222863 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: micalith on April 28, 2015, 01:54:08 PM

If you wanna give me even moar coinz, go ahead. I'm patient and not over-leveraged. The lower it goes, the more buying power I have.



no, stupid fuck.

your buying power will be the same, you will just buy more coins.

My ability to buy coinz will increase, even if the amount of fiat I have to spend remains constant. I'm pretty sure you'll run out of coinz to sell before I run out of fiat, unless I get fired I suppose.
Chinese megaminers have plenty of coins to dump, don't worry about that  Grin

um, no. All miners everywhere have only 3600 coins/day to dump, excluding stockpiles. How much stockpiles are left after a 15 MONTH BEAR MARKET is unknown, but the number is surely much smaller than in the past. at $225/BTC, that's only $810,000 dollars bulls have to pony up to keep prices stable. At ~five million unique wallets, just over 16% of which have to contribute ONE DOLLAR A DAY TO HOLD THIS PRICE LEVEL. That may not happen, but are you willing to bet on it?

some Chinese electricity company must surely realise soon that accepting and holding bitcoin would be a ridiculously successful strategy. Or is that banned?

Yup, banned in dec 2013



1613. Post 11222967 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 28, 2015, 01:49:10 PM
You know what I wonder: with all these guys with all this money at stake, you'd think they would pay some anti-NLC types to defend the reputation of their investment. Why aren't there more everything is rainbows trolls?


because narrative must follow the price in order to be credible.

it would be stupid to talk about trains and rockets with price in 200 $ range, so now you have guys talking about "increasing buying power", "300 next week", "short squeeze" and shit like that.

once this place goes dead silent you will know we hit the bottom.


That was last week. I guess it's all up from here then. Loving the bullish new you.



1614. Post 11222992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Norway on April 28, 2015, 02:19:39 PM
I have to say, I really like that bid at GBTC that came this morning. 5,000 coins at 350 USD/BTC. About half the volume of BTC-e spike, but at the same time it's just their first bid...

You have to wonder how many is sitting on the fence waiting to see where the price will go when trading commences.



1615. Post 11223049 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 28, 2015, 02:23:45 PM
You know what I wonder: with all these guys with all this money at stake, you'd think they would pay some anti-NLC types to defend the reputation of their investment. Why aren't there more everything is rainbows trolls?


because narrative must follow the price in order to be credible.

it would be stupid to talk about trains and rockets with price in 200 $ range, so now you have guys talking about "increasing buying power", "300 next week", "short squeeze" and shit like that.

once this place goes dead silent you will know we hit the bottom.


That was last week. I guess it's all up from here then. Loving the bullish new you.


why are you twisting my words fatty?

silent phase will last for months, not days.


To annoy you

With love, of course



1616. Post 11223101 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Dump failed

Starting to think $220 is to bears what $300 was to bulls

Kind of surprised



1617. Post 11223683 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on April 28, 2015, 03:18:10 PM
Dump failed

Starting to think $220 is to bears what $300 was to bulls

Kind of surprised

I think a lot of you forget that $220 or so is mining cost for a lot of operations. It would be surprising to me if we went lower for a long period of time. If you truly believe that is the case you should not be invested. Everyone remember how much hash rate dropped off the network in the Jan 15 drop to $166? If we had stayed at those levels and the hash stayed shut down there would have been major network problems for weeks. Block times/transaction times would have been a disaster. Watch the media coverage if that happens. It will not be good for anyone. Bear or Bull.

And before anyone argues that the Chinese miners have costs lower than that. ASIC development and deployment has slowed to a crawl compared to most of last year. If there really was money to be made in China wouldn't we be seeing huge farms coming online? It wouldn't take much to push the rest of the world out of mining if that were the case.
Frankly I have heard everything regarding mining costs.
Some people were saying that it was at around $400 last year, with miners like David Pate (https://twitter.com/davidpate8) saying they were underwater at around $300-$400. Difficulty only increased since then...


I have heard Tim Swanson say that BitFury currently has a mining cost of basically $180 BTC, the best performing western miners I guess (the others have been squeezed out while only the biggest chinese pools remained).

(a)I think claims such as "price cannot go below X because that's the mining cost" makes no sense tbh.


I'm no expert in this so if somebody has better info feel free to chime in.


First of all your last point (a) is pretty much spot on. At best it means that miners believe they will not sink, but then we should see  more investment as well. What we have now is lots of miners with lots of sunk cost hoping to at least break even.

Regarding the rest. If you have expensive overhead and costly capital costs it could well be $300-$400, but those guys pretty much bought it this last year.

If you have no capital cost, low site rent, electricity between 2-7cents and s3 or s5 miners that are completely paid back your costs could be between $80-$150 if you manage the machines yourself or with cheap labour.



1618. Post 11224028 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Volume on BTC-E is nothing like yesterday though



1619. Post 11224074 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wings1987 on April 28, 2015, 04:01:43 PM
It wouldn't doesn't take much to push the rest of the world out of mining if that were, which is the case.

Edited that for you.

Thanks. Smiley

Doing too many things at one time.

Welcome.
How do you think anyone can compete in long-run mining with a country where electricity is already very cheap and may be obtained even cheaper? (like 2-3-5x or more times cheaper...)
If our cost is 220$ (give or take), what would be their cost then?
I'd bet mining farms in China grow like mushrooms after a rain. On the other hand, I also suspect that ASIC companies keep the hefty profits under control, mostly for themselves and maybe for a small group of investors. That's why global hash-rate is relatively stable.

Last mining note I promise.

Right now the S4+ is the latest hardware. Cost is 4.215 BTC . Earnings per day would be .0264077 not including electricity/rent/labor or any difficulty changes. Break even point on hardware alone would be 160 days. Bulk orders of 1500 - 2000 units will probably get you just under 40% off. (if they follow what they have done on previous models)


Plug in your own Rent/electricity/labor/racks/wiring/switches/cabling and you will see why I think large farms are not being built out at this price level.




It may be the latest HW, but S5 is cheaper and more efficient. Especially if you have power supplies from previous gens. And it can be downclocked to stay relevant when next gen hits the market.



1620. Post 11224570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tarmi on April 28, 2015, 04:36:08 PM
I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?


I am really sorry if all of this frustrates you



1621. Post 11224700 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: noobtrader on April 28, 2015, 04:59:45 PM
I am a little tired and unimpressed with all those fake massive bid walls going around in circles.

We had 5 k wall on coinbase, free willy bot on btc-e, 5 k wall at bit penny stock fund (the most hilarious one, because there is 0 % risk that it will be filled)...and mickey mouse chian exchanges doing their magic as usual...

...and yet a 5 k dump on stamp would instantly bring us to 180. not to mention 26 mils of longs sitting on bitfinex since god knows when.

price barely moving for days, idiots talking about a secret rocket building in the middle of a whale conference (haha!)...

how about no?


I am really sorry if all of this frustrates you

i wonder if today we can break those 270 price point @btce, that would be interesting and discourage a lot of bear...

We need stamp and finex to follow past 240



1622. Post 11225541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Norway on April 28, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
Let me use my common sense. Back on ignore you troll...

That's ironic (or pathetic), coming from an account that was created specifically to troll another user...  Cheesy

Comming from you???  Grin

lol!



1623. Post 11225732 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on April 28, 2015, 06:33:09 PM
BAhahahahaha
oh this thread, always good for a lol.

Oh, Mighty Lord of the Underworld!

Are you here to shut us down?




1624. Post 11225867 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Norway on April 28, 2015, 06:50:31 PM
@ Jorge!

I'm in a good mood now, and I am rethinking my views about you. I tend to switch you on/off ignore on a regular basis. Last time I turned you off ignore, was because you provided a link to a bitcointalk thread regarding the process of selling bitcoin on GBTC at reddit.

You certainly scan the forums and look for details. And you can certainly not do this while teaching students / work on a funded science project at the same time.

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:


1. (My old theory) You work at the troll factory. Goldman Sachs or somebody else pay you via a middle man to troll bitcoin forums.

2. You are actually a heavy invested hodler. But because of life experience (not academic experience), you look constantly for the reason for your investments to go to hell. You play your own devils advocate. Bitcoin going to the moon is just too good to be true, right? I respect 100% that you don't talk about your holdings. Being your own bank, means bank security in your home. And it's hard to achive today.



The rest of you: Is it theory 1 or 2? (Or your own)

3. He's a tl,dr troll who likes to suck people into discussions and feed them lies.



1625. Post 11226252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Norway on April 28, 2015, 07:09:07 PM
I now have 2 theories for your motivation:


No, Jorge is a very smart computer scientist with an inflated ego who peaked decades ago. His "musings" about bitcoin are an attempt to stay relevant as he slowly fades away into academia.

I don't agree. I spend too much time surfing this field, and I understand that Jorge spend twice the time! There is certainly a very strong motivation! He is gaining/loosing important money related to bitcoin. It's not just a hobby.

Why do you care? Nobody takes him seriously.



1626. Post 11226595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on April 28, 2015, 07:42:08 PM
@ Jorge!

I'm in a good mood now, and I am rethinking my views about you. I tend to switch you on/off ignore on a regular basis. Last time I turned you off ignore, was because you provided a link to a bitcointalk thread regarding the process of selling bitcoin on GBTC at reddit.

You certainly scan the forums and look for details. And you can certainly not do this while teaching students / work on a funded science project at the same time.

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:


1. (My old theory) You work at the troll factory. Goldman Sachs or somebody else pay you via a middle man to troll bitcoin forums.

2. You are actually a heavy invested hodler. But because of life experience (not academic experience), you look constantly for the reason for your investments to go to hell. You play your own devils advocate. Bitcoin going to the moon is just too good to be true, right? I respect 100% that you don't talk about your holdings. Being your own bank, means bank security in your home. And it's hard to achive today.



The rest of you: Is it theory 1 or 2? (Or your own)
3. A computer science professor who is interested in the bitcoin phenomenon simply as a spectator, and considering that  interesting/fascinating/worth some lols stuff happens in bitcoin world on a daily basis, I'd say that's all the motivation one needs, whether holder, trader, or simply an observer.

He simply looks at everything bitcoin related without bias, as opposed to the permabulls which are trying to push their investment at all cost (without critical thinking).
Most of the time he talks about facts that permabulls don't like to hear, that's why they attack him.



There you go  Grin

You know that's not true. He's consistently knowingly misrepresenting facts. He has a strong bias towards making BTC look bad. However I tend to think this bias is just his preferred mode of trolling, nothing more (and part of what gets his jizz to leak is us discussing him).

Nobody is against some well founded thoughtful criticism, in the right threads (why bother day traders with this, they don't give a hoo haa) it is actively encouraged, but that's not what H.H.Dr.Prof has to offer.



1627. Post 11227564 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 28, 2015, 09:36:27 PM
I am with Jorge ofc.

too many uneducadable bitcoiners here dont get it that the best thing a man can do in his pathetic life is learn.

time spent in learning cant be wasted.

so yeah, just watching and following this little community can be useful.  

I learnt a lot by doing this by myself. greatest advise for any newcomer just to thoroughly look through this forum

This sock follows Jorge everywhere. Even Reddit. It's uncanny.

If you look at her profile w/website and signature, she's pretty open about who she is and what she does. There's nothing wrong with being a bear, but try keeping up with the likes of Tzupy or Damiano , not Tarmi "The Educator" and H.H.Dr.Prof. The two latter will generally just leave you dumber than you were.



1628. Post 11227570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on April 28, 2015, 09:40:54 PM
Has anyone else noticed that bitcoin price has stayed in the range of ~$170 to $320 for the entire year so far? there was not a single four month period in 2014 when price stayed in a $150 range. Not even close.

it won't last long  Huh

Any thoughts on how/why/when?



1629. Post 11227618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: empowering on April 28, 2015, 09:39:04 PM
Let me use my common sense. Back on ignore you troll...
That's ironic (or pathetic), coming from an account that was created specifically to troll another user...  Cheesy
How is that different from why you made your account?
What are you talking about?

For those folks in gelid Scandinavia and anywhere else the news may not have arrived yet: @fonsie created his account specifically to troll @fonzie, one of the smartest contributors to this forum (so much so that he easily won the bitcoin price prediction contest for 2014).  But @fonzie has been rather absent of late, so @fonsie changed his life mission to troll the undersigned.  Then he, or someone who thinks very much like him, created another account "@trolfi" with the same life mission -- making me the only member of this forum with not one, but *two* Exclusive Personal Trolls, a distinction that I will forever remember with pride.  But then he may have found it hard to manage the two accounts at the same time, or his employer refused to pay twice for two very similar sockpuppets, or something; anyway, @trolfi seems to have left us for good.

I hope that this background information will help newbies understand some things that otherwise may seem to make no sense, such as @fonsie's bizarre signature and avatar.

This is literally the funniest and most interesting post you have ever contributed.



ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................. wut?



1630. Post 11231907 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on April 29, 2015, 09:42:02 AM
In case you missed it: https://twitter.com/RippleLabs/status/593171702516817920

You may now shake your heads. Roll Eyes

Interesting..... I wonder if this would be using the Ripple network or a new network established just for Western Union.
It does say a "pilot to provide infrastructure for" rather than "adding to our network".

If it is Western Union's own network I can see XRP going down in value and not up lol

I don't get this project at all. How is it going to transfer wealth?

If it's just digital IOUs to WU itself then I guess regular fees will apply, unless it's a premium service and fees are higher.



1631. Post 11231952 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on April 29, 2015, 09:55:37 AM
Hmm. That's a bit of a damp squib. They seemed to be hinting at getting a proper banking relationship but clearly couldn't pull it off. If somewhere with the muscle of Coinbase can't do it then than doesn't bode too well.

UK banking is a walled garden and they're all interlinked somehow. There's no way one bank could start to play bitcoin without the others threatening to refuse to play with them.

All an interesting object lesson in how incestuous and self serving the sector is.

From the coinbase support page :

Quote
You may transfer EUR to your Coinbase Wallet via SEPA transfer or bank wire. You may transfer GBP or USD to your Coinbase Wallet via bank wire.

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1963197-uk-customers-funding-coinbase-exchange-wallets

*sigh*

SEPA for EUR is still quite good.



1632. Post 11231983 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on April 29, 2015, 09:59:22 AM
I don't get this project at all. How is it going to transfer wealth?

If it's just digital IOUs to WU itself then I guess regular fees will apply, unless it's a premium service and fees are higher.

I mean purely based on the speculators..... what if the investors in XRP realise that it's entirely possible that Ripple Labs might licence out the technology rather than add institutions to the existing network ?

Either is a win for Ripple and brings money in to the company.

Yes, sure. But I meant their project with or without XRP.

Ripple can't handle those kinds of transfers atm(not talking technically, but economically.... i think?). In BTC you have people buying and selling BTC on such a scale that you can buy it in one country and sell it in another country and get roughly the same sum back(unless we're talking many millions). So how will ripple/wu transfer the wealth?



1633. Post 11232007 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on April 29, 2015, 10:04:40 AM
Hmm. That's a bit of a damp squib. They seemed to be hinting at getting a proper banking relationship but clearly couldn't pull it off. If somewhere with the muscle of Coinbase can't do it then than doesn't bode too well.

UK banking is a walled garden and they're all interlinked somehow. There's no way one bank could start to play bitcoin without the others threatening to refuse to play with them.

All an interesting object lesson in how incestuous and self serving the sector is.

From the coinbase support page :

Quote
You may transfer EUR to your Coinbase Wallet via SEPA transfer or bank wire. You may transfer GBP or USD to your Coinbase Wallet via bank wire.

https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1963197-uk-customers-funding-coinbase-exchange-wallets

*sigh*

SEPA for EUR is still quite good.

This would be useful. Though ANX already does this. Competition is always good though.

We had a bit of a scare with Bitstamp this year, so another (BTC-E is a bit too shady) big player is needed in Europe.



1634. Post 11232025 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on April 29, 2015, 10:05:31 AM
SEPA for EUR is still quite good.

True but I've been waiting for a Faster Payments exchange for what feel like forever (well, a couple of years).

So many announcements of UK exchanges and so much promise but not one yet has a UK banking partner.

If all this noise from The City is for real, you should have it soon. I think there is a larger idea behind placing the european branch of Coinbase in the UK.



1635. Post 11232287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on April 29, 2015, 10:14:27 AM
Yes, sure. But I meant their project with or without XRP.

Ripple can't handle those kinds of transfers atm(not talking technically, but economically.... i think?). In BTC you have people buying and selling BTC on such a scale that you can buy it in one country and sell it in another country and get roughly the same sum back(unless we're talking many millions). So how will ripple/wu transfer the wealth?

Answering the bold bit I have to say I don't feel technical enough to answer with total confidence BUT if this was internal to Western Union then you could theoretically use the network to move IOUs between the different countries WU operate in, similar to the transferwise system I would imagine.  They would need to make a traditional transfer every now and then to balance the books but it could save them some money and another fraction of a % saved in costs is much money in the bank for them.

Either way Ripple is helping to prop up the old system so we should throw tomatoes at them and Boo loudly.

So in theory we could see their internal system running ripple-tech and their books being balanced by BTC transfers in the future?



1636. Post 11232757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

An amateurs glance at the chartists seems to indicate that this weekend will be exciting



1637. Post 11233009 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on April 29, 2015, 12:08:15 PM
Basically if you're going to claim to do "serious data analysis" at least point out the reliability of the raw data and give proper credit to the creator of the charts.

Modern scientists do not use raw data, they use editorialised data that supports their conclusion.

Just look at the global warming myth.





1638. Post 11233209 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on April 29, 2015, 12:35:59 PM
Basically if you're going to claim to do "serious data analysis" at least point out the reliability of the raw data and give proper credit to the creator of the charts.

Modern scientists do not use raw data, they use editorialised data that supports their conclusion.

Just look at the global warming myth.
-snip-

Haha.... I nearly referenced the issue with temperature data but decided to stay away from it.

Besides, that data was deliberately manipulated.

Regarding my personal opinion I do believe in global warming.

I started writing something I realized I had written a thousand times before.

You can't fight confirmation bias.



1639. Post 11235002 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 29, 2015, 01:29:43 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/markets/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201504290300HUGIN___EUPRX____HUG1916185-1

XBT Provider Launches World's First Bitcoin Exchange Traded Note on Nasdaq Stockholm

This is awsome. They launch may 18.th.

Has someone a short summary of how this is different to an ETF or other fund? I understand that Nasdaq Stockholm is some sort of Swedish subsidiary of the Nasdaq!? What are the exact implications of this and why are they able to get this running so rather quickly?

It's an Exchange Traded Note.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/etn.asp

So I think value depends on the credibility of the body who issued it. You're buying the promise of a coin from a third party.



Ah, thanks! So basically nothing more than a fancy promise, right? What happens if they go bust? Will everyone lose their coins/FIAT? I don't really see any sense in investing in such a fund, apart from it being an investor-friendly vehicle, maybe.

XBT Provider is a KnC company, ie Ferengis, ie buyer beware.



1640. Post 11237395 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: esse83 on April 29, 2015, 08:22:28 PM
Very quiet here now. Are you busy buying or just not paying attention mates?

Everybody is busy with 20x @ okcoin because of the ETN.

And GBTC
And Fidor
And UK Coinbase

Jepp, det også.

Ka i satan!

Din snik!

Edit: The Fidor news can be powerful. If UK banks warms up to Bitcoin, The City might get more involved.



1641. Post 11237595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Norway on April 29, 2015, 08:26:15 PM
Very quiet here now. Are you busy buying or just not paying attention mates?

Everybody is busy with 20x @ okcoin because of the ETN.

And GBTC
And Fidor
And UK Coinbase

Jepp, det også.

Ka i satan!

Din snik!

Guys, are you coming to Oslo Bitcoin Meetup on friday? Could be cool atmosphere if the shit hits the fan today or tomorrow  Wink

I guess it depends on the flavour of the shit.
Anyhew, maybe in the fall if we get a good bull run.



1642. Post 11238102 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Some bear must have lost the recipe. This crash is funny lookin.



1643. Post 11238512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 29, 2015, 10:30:19 PM
Some bear must have lost the recipe. This crash is funny lookin.

Dude, you coming to the fonziecoin meet up in Oslo Friday night?  Huh

You, Tarmi and NLC?

idk, I might not make it




1644. Post 11238727 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 29, 2015, 11:06:23 PM
Some bear must have lost the recipe. This crash is funny lookin.

Dude, you coming to the fonziecoin meet up in Oslo Friday night?  Huh

You, Tarmi and NLC?

idk, I might not make it


Aw, come on. If the night dont end with us all in the back of a passat with solid plastc seats and 'politi' written down the side, it wont have been a good night....  Grin

That's for sure. But the police are underfunded atm so I can't count on them showing up. Best to just stay away.



1645. Post 11240516 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: coinableS on April 30, 2015, 05:00:04 AM
Circle's philosophy hasn't shifted. They've been focused on dollar balances using bitcoin rails since their inception. They're just now attempting to close that "circle".

What's more surprising is that Goldman Sachs is interested in the utility of an asset that has been crashing for a year and a half. Wall St. tends to stay away from such things.

I don't think that was too surprising considering Circle has Goldman alumni on their executive board.

The potential for effectivisation and cost cutting in international trade is such that these big boys will have to at least look at the technology, even if it's just out of fomo. A couple of years ago any serious financial services company would be crazy to take cryptocurrencies seriously. Now they are crazy not to. But somehow the tarmis of this world is convinced BTC is supposed to be worth less now than then.



1646. Post 11240536 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wary on April 30, 2015, 05:09:45 AM
Circle's philosophy hasn't shifted. They've been focused on dollar balances using bitcoin rails since their inception. They're just now attempting to close that "circle".

What's more surprising is that Goldman Sachs is interested in the utility of an asset that has been crashing for a year and a half. Wall St. tends to stay away from such things.
I hope they think that the asset had been crashing for 13 months and then - has been consolidating for 3 months. Smiley

I hope I think so too



1647. Post 11240607 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wary on April 30, 2015, 05:15:19 AM
A couple of years ago any serious financial services company would be crazy to take cryptocurrencies seriously. Now they are crazy not to.
Any serious company must have a site now [/nostalgic] Smiley

LOL! That shouldn't be as funny as it is. I remember in the early/mid 90s, most, when asked, said they were "looking into it"; with obvious contempt. 2-3 years later EVERY single one of them had a site. Good time to be a nerd.



1648. Post 11241139 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Cassius on April 30, 2015, 06:56:36 AM

No. Not what the article implies.

He knows, he be trolling.



1649. Post 11241320 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quite a lot of market buys on finex



1650. Post 11241378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

$230!!!

Edit: This time finex takes the lead and everyone is following.

Edit 2: Turns out OKCoin might have been the ones taking the lead.

Edit 3: The Goldman Sachs news seems to be grabbing media's attention.



1651. Post 11241782 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: gizmoh on April 30, 2015, 08:35:17 AM
And 31,000 btc Shorts , INTACT. So YUMMY   Grin

Quite a lot of selling into the pump, will be interesting to see if those are swaps as well.



1652. Post 11241857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on April 30, 2015, 08:49:54 AM
Shorts down to 28k...

And longs are up. This will be a long ride.

Edit: sry, longs down as well, seems like some of the selling was people closing longs.



1653. Post 11243001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on April 30, 2015, 11:17:58 AM
yea, well...too bad it wont go higher.

It doesn't need to. Lots of fun to come in the 200-300 price range.

fun starts below 150.

Fun starts when GBTC trades



I am not giving a single fuck about some fund selling its shares. but you bulls are putting a lot of hopes in it. meaning...

Wink


Bitcoin believers hates fiats and banksters and think that BTC is solution for fiat system but they love news about some banksters throwing cents into some BTC start-up.
Why? Beause bitcoiners think that price will rise and they'll earn some fiats LOL

What a fucking hipocrisy  Cool
When skyvly starts fighting straw men that's when you know we're going up.



1654. Post 11243741 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on April 30, 2015, 12:59:09 PM
When does GBTC go live?

Well, when does the NYSE open? I guess it's still an hour or so - if they really start trading today. It remains to be seen how the market reacts. What will happen if no one is willing to sell? Is that bullish? Bearish? Of no consequences? We'll see...
I would be surprised if nobody decided to reshuffle their portfolio after the year that has passed



1655. Post 11244501 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on April 30, 2015, 02:19:42 PM
240 comin' up. Getting nervous bears?  Cheesy

240 seems to be important for the TA people, might rattle some cages



1656. Post 11244781 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

For once, whaleclub is lol-material

"i dont have enought channell for this Sad"



1657. Post 11244813 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 30, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Been away for a few days and I missed the buying opportunity under $220. Oh well, I'll just have to wait for the next dip.

Nice to see last night's little rise to over $230 again. Will it last this time?

Nobody can say for sure; there's a chance that the bear year is over though. The numbers are turning green one by one, but this could also be orchestrated. If you notice, there's nervous buying in of huge amounts that pops the price 15-20$ up. Let's see when the ETF will be released what's the next rally will look like. Wink

I'm hesitant to declare that the bearish year is over.
It'd be very welcome though, it's about time we had a relentless price surge upwards.


We need to run up and bust that $300 in the nuts



1658. Post 11245118 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: bassclef on April 30, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
Allowing customers to use bitcoin to send money but holding it in USD (which is what's going on, Jorge - instant conversion at the time of use) and never seeing BTC is very neat. They still pay merchants in BTC, but don't need to worry about holding BTC. I can see that it might be nice for merchants to do the same. That removes a major barrier to adoption.

When you use their new service, they will take your USD, pretend to convert it to BTC, but keep the BTC as USD to avoid volatility losses, then pretend to convert the BTC back to USD, and deliver USD to the merchant.

That certainly removes the biggest barrier to bitcoin adoption -- which is bitcoin itself.

Guys, Jorge has figured everything out for us, pack it in. It was fun but we simply cannot compete with such a brilliant mind. Time to head home.

Yes, I agree!

(tap, tap, tap, pretending to leave the room)








Is he gone yet?



1659. Post 11245135 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: kodtycoon on April 30, 2015, 03:50:57 PM
HOLY SHIT FIRST TRADE ON GBTC AT $380!!!! MOOON!!
I don't see it filled yet

Any source?



1660. Post 11245237 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: kodtycoon on April 30, 2015, 03:56:01 PM

Dat is a quote.... not a trade.. unless you know something we do not? (or can see 15 minutes into the future)



do none of you click hyperlinks? lol

You douche! I was salivating like crazy!



1661. Post 11245497 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: coinableS on April 30, 2015, 04:19:30 PM
http://Http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/

 

Did you guys see this? The rumors that 21 will be putting miners in everyday devices appears to be true. They also plan to onboard customers by giving many of these devices away for free!

With the amount of VC money they have attracted it will be interesting to see what they will make of it. However, a space heater where the user keeps all the BTC sounds more sensible. 25% is a scam.



1662. Post 11245609 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Bitcoiners are the easiest troll bait ever



1663. Post 11246699 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

BTC-E hit $238



1664. Post 11246845 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: empowering on April 30, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
BTC-E hit $238

Nice catch. I was adjusting my stops at Finex and missed it. Hard to see everything with 20 tabs of charts open.

Get more screens

+1



1665. Post 11246967 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: bassclef on April 30, 2015, 07:29:17 PM
BTC-E hit $238

Nice catch. I was adjusting my stops at Finex and missed it. Hard to see everything with 20 tabs of charts open.

Get more screens

+1

I already have three!

Breakout upwards imminent, doesn't look like there's enough selling to push it down.

I would love to see 240 before I turn in for the night.

Btw. Stands for six are dirt cheap nowadays, screens too.

Edit: 240 on BTC-E. That went quicker than I thought. It's a bit early to go to bed.



1666. Post 11247184 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: bassclef on April 30, 2015, 07:50:07 PM
I would love to see 240 before I turn in for the night.

Btw. Stands for six are dirt cheap nowadays, screens too.

Me too! If we make it above that next target is the 38.2% fib line, ~$250, which could be easily reached if the selling is light. Then the fomo begins, but that's getting ahead of things.

Six monitors would be amazing... but mine are NEC IPS monitors, so it would be a costly (although beautiful) upgrade Smiley

BTC-E just touched 240 with a 315 coin buy. This is heating up. FOMO is starting to build up among the chartists.

Six NEC IPS monitors would definitely be overkill. I'm holding the trigger on 6 samsung TN displays for $100 each and a stand for $200 and simply a seventh 27" EIZO IPS as a main screen. The only obstacle is that I mainly work at home, and I have to explain this monstrosity to my wife.



1667. Post 11247210 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

FUCK ME SIDEWAYS

$242.8



1668. Post 11247243 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on April 30, 2015, 08:02:27 PM
btc-e Willy bot just bought up all the way through 240! Cool





1669. Post 11247278 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Norway on April 30, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
You forgot about nasdaq stockholm being a partial reason for this micro-bubble.

And let's not forget the GBTC. One of the bidders is Citadel Securitys.

From Wikipedia:
"Citadel is the eleventh largest hedge fund manager in the world, and the second largest multi-strategy hedge fund manager in the world."

That's the ticket. Suddenly pension funds and hedge funds can tap into BTC. 2015 will be The Year of Bitcoin.



1670. Post 11247344 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: bassclef on April 30, 2015, 08:13:31 PM
You forgot about nasdaq stockholm being a partial reason for this micro-bubble.

And let's not forget the GBTC. One of the bidders is Citadel Securitys.

From Wikipedia:
"Citadel is the eleventh largest hedge fund manager in the world, and the second largest multi-strategy hedge fund manager in the world."

That's the ticket. Suddenly pension funds and hedge funds can tap into BTC. 2015 will be The Year of Bitcoin.

A lot of traders expected the "institutional investment" bubble back in May. Of course it fell short of expectations. Now, well, who knows? Nobody is expecting it.

To me, the GS/Circle news was powerful. Fidor in Britain as well. And that's on top of minor news of other large banks and institutions sniffing on Bitcoin lately. But GS/Circle is more solid than "we have assigned a team to look at crypto". Then again,  Idk. As you point out, we'll just have to see if this one has legs.




1671. Post 11247415 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

I like the buying pattern much better now on all exchanges. Lots of activity and frequently buys in the hundreds. It doesn't feel as artificial or hesitant as we've seen the last couple of months.



1672. Post 11247965 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: inca on April 30, 2015, 09:37:26 PM
We still have 27,000 shorts hanging over the market on finex.

If sustained buying continues they will gradually cover or capitulate. Closing shorts accounts for nearly 5000 coins purchased on finex today alone.

Keep it up bulls!

I see a lot of TA people believe we're still going down again, at least to the 210s. If enough shorters follow this pattern they might not start covering their shorts until we're past 280. That should help us climb past 300.

Disclaimer: Idiot at work, please punch holes.



1673. Post 11247990 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: inca on April 30, 2015, 09:44:47 PM
We still have 27,000 shorts hanging over the market on finex.

If sustained buying continues they will gradually cover or capitulate. Closing shorts accounts for nearly 5000 coins purchased on finex today alone.

Keep it up bulls!

I see a lot of TA people believe we're still going down again, at least to the 210s. If enough shorters follow this pattern they might not start covering their shorts until we're past 280. That should help us climb past 300.

Disclaimer: Idiot at work, please punch holes.

TA has a place. But didn't predict any of the previous bull runs, nor does it react to events which drive the price.



Sure, I'm not saying I believe we're going down. I'm saying it might matter if others believe we're going down.



1674. Post 11248130 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: JamesBrown on April 30, 2015, 10:03:17 PM
time to go down?

nope

get up! get up! stay on the scene! like a sex machine!



1675. Post 11251474 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 01, 2015, 08:43:58 AM
Good labour relations are key to any well functioning capitalist society.

Is what the communists tell the people before they take over and terrorize a nation.


Have you looked into buying a used cruise liner for your project?

http://cruiseship.homestead.com/Desc_Voyager.pdf


Do you have a solution for jurisdiction issues?



1676. Post 11251689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 01, 2015, 09:45:50 AM
Good labour relations are key to any well functioning capitalist society.

Is what the communists tell the people before they take over and terrorize a nation.
Have you looked into buying a used cruiseliner for your project?

Do you have a solution for jurisdiction issues?

The pilot project will likely be built in the Bahamas with permission from the Bahamas government. At this phase we are looking at a hybrid seastead to be built on columns in shallow water which floating platforms and boats can attach to.

More of a marina as a launching point.

One of the partners is working with the Bahama government, introducing it as a research project.

A used cruiseliner was what Project Blueseed tried. They also tried to do fund it via donations, we will be selling shares and be getting revenue from the marina businesses.

Will it be within in Bahamas territory?

What are the restrictions regarding jurisdiction then?

Have you considered dredging a sand bank in international waters?

How about buying/taking Sealand?

Sorry for all the questions, but even for a social liberalist this is quite fascinating.



1677. Post 11252087 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 01, 2015, 10:25:04 AM
Good labour relations are key to any well functioning capitalist society.

Is what the communists tell the people before they take over and terrorize a nation.
Have you looked into buying a used cruiseliner for your project?

Do you have a solution for jurisdiction issues?

The pilot project will likely be built in the Bahamas with permission from the Bahamas government. At this phase we are looking at a hybrid seastead to be built on columns in shallow water which floating platforms and boats can attach to.

More of a marina as a launching point.

One of the partners is working with the Bahama government, introducing it as a research project.

A used cruiseliner was what Project Blueseed tried. They also tried to do fund it via donations, we will be selling shares and be getting revenue from the marina businesses.

Will it be within in Bahamas territory?

What are the restrictions regarding jurisdiction then?

Have you considered dredging a sand bank in international waters?

How about buying/taking Sealand?

Sorry for all the questions, but even for a social liberalist this is quite fascinating.

The main location we are looking at is Cay Sal Bank just south of the Keys, north of Cuba within Bahamas territory.



More than likely the restrictions will be the same as living in the Bahamas. Our initial step is creating a viable business and creating a launching platform for seasteads as opposed to actually being a seastead so it is not about politics during this phase.

There are no sand banks in international waters. The best I have found during my search has been a sea mount that is 100 meters deep.

I doubt we could get much investment capital for Sealand. People want something in a warm climate.

Ok, thx. Will be interesting to see how it progresses.



1678. Post 11253898 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 01, 2015, 02:19:47 PM
This looks interesting! More info on this?

We are still in the pre-announce stage but the design and location are taking shape.



We are shooting for a cost of around $5 million offering 50,000 shares of $100 each. The initial businesses on the platform will be part of the company and boat slips will be paid to the company with the profits going to the shareholders.

That looks awesome!

Have you gotten a quote on how much it will take to get those poles in place?



1679. Post 11256970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Bitcoin_BOy$ on May 01, 2015, 08:08:35 PM
Hello , Everyone said he love bitcoin not for the price but for other values that bitcoin can give you ,
But now the price dumping everyone changing his word .
I read in a report last days the even hackers didn't interset about bitcoin anymore , they just use it to convert
From fiat to bitcoin to another fiat . In another side bitcoin still a the best cryptocurrency ever  Shocked .

Kind Of Respect ,
Bitcoin Boy .

Lol, "Kind Of Respect". That's probably unintentionally spot on.

Everyone in this thread cares about the price. It's a speculation thread.



1680. Post 11257000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on May 01, 2015, 07:44:14 PM


Finally some TA I can get my head around.



1681. Post 11259055 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wary on May 01, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
Quote
I sent a card to the CEO of my company thanking for all of his hard work which keeps me employed.

It's all about thanking the workers today.
Don't forget to thank the shareholders for putting up the capital invested in the business and giving you all a job.
Definitely, it takes a lot of work to keep track of the market and buy at the right time and risk to keep me employed.
...
"They work hard too" is bad line of defense. Free market rewards not for harming yourself, but for benefiting others. If, in the process, you suffer ("toil, sweat and cors") - too bad. If enjoy ("I love my job") or just do nothing - good for you. Nobody cares either way, as far as you create value for them.

You bunch of dimwits! Yesterday was about celebrating unions and labor. Not thanking CEOs and shareholders. Not even thanking workers. Are you so ashamed of your own choices in life that you can't let this great force for good be celebrated without lashing out as if someone took a dump on your lawn?








1682. Post 11259231 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wary on May 02, 2015, 02:38:19 AM
You bunch of dimwits! Yesterday was about celebrating unions and labor. Not thanking CEOs and shareholders. Not even thanking workers. Are you so ashamed of your own choices in life that you can't let this great force for good be celebrated without lashing out as if someone took a dump on your lawn?
So it not about thanking hard-working people (CEOs and non-unionized workers)?  It was about cartels that boost prices by forcing competitors out?

Quote

Thanks god, it's mostly in the past. In civilized countries children are prevented from doing something useful.

The Bitcoin Community!

Read it and weep!



1683. Post 11260975 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 02, 2015, 08:12:26 AM


Well in any event, welcome to the forum new friend.  Smiley
I just got back from May Day demonstrations in Montreal, myself. Got gassed a little bit.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/anti-capitalism-may-day-protest-in-montreal-declared-illegal-1.3058316

Refusons l'austerite!!1

I can never tell when you're talking out of your ass, but that looks quite insane.

Not the Canada we are used to think of.



1684. Post 11261470 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 02, 2015, 09:12:28 AM


Well in any event, welcome to the forum new friend.  Smiley
I just got back from May Day demonstrations in Montreal, myself. Got gassed a little bit.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/anti-capitalism-may-day-protest-in-montreal-declared-illegal-1.3058316

Refusons l'austerite!!1

I can never tell when you're talking out of your ass, but that looks quite insane.

Not the Canada we are used to think of.

*Fatman stabs BMB in heart* "It's only a flesh wound. 'Tis but a scratch, really."  Cry

Quebecois are a fiery proud people. I was mostly just a conscientious spectator. But I was there TM

sry for the stabby stab stab



1685. Post 11261596 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: atlosas on May 02, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
230 is holding strong by the looks of it.
I wonder which way we'll move after the weekend.

Holding strong Cheesy. See how it breaks today/tommorow. It hasn;t been even tested yet

But if it holds/moves up in the next couple of days, bears will be checking their underpants a lot.



1686. Post 11261780 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: s_barhotski on May 02, 2015, 04:55:43 AM
Speaking about reading impediment. It was not about racism it was about hypocrisy. If you really want to choose a thing to avoid and be ashamed of, I would recommend this one. It's really disgusting, much worse than racism or farting at an opera.

P.S. Creating new account for your previous message and talking there about "things to be ashamed of" is another example of hypocrisy. Thanks for giving us this example Smiley

You are a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur batshit crazy.
Come on, not only do you think I'm (whatever the user's nick was), but you consider yourself the cause of a new account?

Given your firm grasp of reality, powerful intellect & superlative overall mental state, shouldn't you be posting in Reptillia and/or Cypherdoc's threads?
You might feel more comfortable there...

Am I the Sockpuppet? That's a lot of effort for nothing at all. Surely Wary must be used to more than one person disagreeing with him?

Btw. You should listen to Wary when he talks about hypocrisy. He's an expert.

Btw. Btw, if you're actually NLC you can still f off.



1687. Post 11262196 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 02, 2015, 11:51:05 AM
I am curious how much Bitcoin will be worth in say like, a year from now.
Just like all of you.
Any substantiated speculation on that around?

 Huh Huh If its substantiated, its hardly speculation now, is it?   Grin

Just climb aboard, close your eyes and enjoy the ride.....
+1



1688. Post 11262736 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wary on May 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
You should listen to Wary when he talks about hypocrisy. He's an expert.
Right. I've seen so many commies, that can be considered an expert in them. Smiley Although not all of them are hypocritical bastards. Some are well-meaning self-deceiving guys ("useful idiots", as Lenin used to call them).

You wouldn't know a commie even if she sat on your face and covered you with The Red Terror.



1689. Post 11264751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):




1690. Post 11264877 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: bassclef on May 02, 2015, 05:37:13 PM

Even some writing talent, alas wasted inside your corrupt mind. If only you could see yourself through others' eyes and perhaps have the tiniest bit of courage to take responsibility for the things that you post.

Tell me, does your sadism extend to real life, or just the internet?

Do you really have to ask?




1691. Post 11265231 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: hmmkay on May 02, 2015, 06:20:29 PM

Even some writing talent, alas wasted inside your corrupt mind. If only you could see yourself through others' eyes and perhaps have the tiniest bit of courage to take responsibility for the things that you post.

Tell me, does your sadism extend to real life, or just the internet?

Do you really have to ask?



What's this gif from?

No idea, guessing one of those "stuck in the wilderness" reality series.



1692. Post 11265445 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: coinableS on May 02, 2015, 06:38:16 PM

Even some writing talent, alas wasted inside your corrupt mind. If only you could see yourself through others' eyes and perhaps have the tiniest bit of courage to take responsibility for the things that you post.

Tell me, does your sadism extend to real life, or just the internet?

Do you really have to ask?

NO idea what that's from but this is what I perceive is happening:

Brunette: "OMG, do you smell that?!"
Blonde: "Ew, someone totally farted!!"
Guy: *SMILES*

You really are bored

Let me entertain you




1693. Post 11265455 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: gentlemand on May 02, 2015, 06:45:56 PM
Good grief, this place is beginning to look like a ghost town. Adam even pulled out and left this place for dead.

He drops in every now and then to call a rally. The price is then almost guaranteed to go down the toilet at that very moment for some mysterious reason.

Lol! He's a sweet guy and all, but I shit my pants every time he's here.



1694. Post 11265656 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: macsga on May 02, 2015, 06:51:05 PM
Fnit, fnat,


Jorge, why do I have the impression your assumptions are nothing but personal opinions and totally not fact-based? Did you ever bother to read the comments right after the link you posted? And since when a ponzi (is this even certified?) scheme is bad to take BTCs for its "service"?

Besides, from my point of view, the rise in the price could as well be because some people needed to convert to BTC for a gazillion other reasons than this one...

This is what a gazillionaire drives:




1695. Post 11266393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on May 02, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
This is what a gazillionaire drives:



Gazillionaires drive?

I thought they could afford chauffeurs.

But, but... It's a GAZ Volga.... GAZillionaire.... believe me, it's very funny. A funny joke. Made by me. Very funny.



1696. Post 11266948 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: shmadz on May 02, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
As refreshing as it is to read these pages "sans tarmi" -- this relentless rise in price is somewhat troublesome for me. I was hoping to have another chance at sub-250 CAD.

Perhaps this post will jinx it all and I might have my wish?

"As low as possible for as long as possible"

 Tongue

These are the cheap coinz everyone's been screaming about. You've got to board the train now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vo-rF5Wx6s



1697. Post 11269317 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Shot past 240 on BTC-E



1698. Post 11269331 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: electerium on May 03, 2015, 06:54:37 AM
shorts are climbing back up on finex.


That's just pure gambling imo. Large institutional bank invests in bitcoin, no real slippage in price over weekend, fresh news cycle on monday.

i dont understand why anyone would short here.

Yup, definately looks like we'll be heading up for the moment

It's like they all used lvl 1 thinking:


Omg thursday pump to $238 over, slippage to $233 over weekend, ok we're back to normal, let's pile on the shorts again!!!

back to $225 we go!!!


I mean, is there any real money to be made shorting back down to $220-225 after thursday? Seriously?

i dont get it.

I think a lot of them put in tight stops, that might help us climb.



1699. Post 11269784 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 03, 2015, 07:40:50 AM
You just 'turned on' the troll-putz by giving it the time of day. Please tell me you were bored and said, oh what the hell...

He's not a monster. He's just ahead of the curve.

BMB! Buddy! Guy! Friend!

Tell me, are you NLC?



1700. Post 11269883 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 03, 2015, 08:18:37 AM
You just 'turned on' the troll-putz by giving it the time of day. Please tell me you were bored and said, oh what the hell...

He's not a monster. He's just ahead of the curve.

BMB! Buddy! Guy! Friend!

Tell me, are you NLC?

It's odd that. I've been called his sock so often I've lost count. Tbh I wish I had his way with words. We must share some humour in common... I dunno. I just think he's a natural satirist and deadly funny.

I also think that trolling Bitcoin on the internets is in the grand scheme of price discovery about as effective as spitting into the wind, so it doesn't really worry me like it does some. IDK. What do you think?

I think all you guys are screwing with my head and this entire thread is here just to make me go loony.



1701. Post 11270213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: noobtrader on May 03, 2015, 08:59:18 AM
Would be nice if $240 holds now.

When it blasts to $300 it looks like $240 will be the bottom of any flash-crash later.

https://t.co/K2yZIH58nP

confirmed trend reversal, its the official end of bear season... YAY

....it's looking good, but it's hardly confirmed. Wonky Tonky isn't the one who needs convincing. We need the bears to come along, and new entrants to get some proper choo choo going.



1702. Post 11270451 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: noobtrader on May 03, 2015, 09:50:22 AM
Would be nice if $240 holds now.

When it blasts to $300 it looks like $240 will be the bottom of any flash-crash later.

https://t.co/K2yZIH58nP

confirmed trend reversal, its the official end of bear season... YAY

....it's looking good, but it's hardly confirmed. Wonky Tonky isn't the one who needs convincing. We need the bears to come along, and new entrants to get some proper choo choo going.

what would u call it  ? a slow painful short squezz ??

rising 10 usd everyday is niceeee, isnt ? Grin

It's nice to check your Bitcoin wallet and not feel the need to slit your wrists, that's for sure. I just need this mofo to launch past 380 before I can lower my shoulders.



1703. Post 11271873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 03, 2015, 01:17:23 PM
I'm waiting for word from empowering and his monkey...

He's busy spanking it.

(I will run the "spank the monkey" joke until someone gives me a lol)



1704. Post 11273243 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on May 03, 2015, 04:05:28 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see a small rise up over $240. This is good.

I also see a tiny dip back down toward the $230s again. This is to be expected.

This could go either way.

Coffee please, Mocha-Java, full city roast, one generous handful per cup, 18% cream and pure cane sugar. Mmmm...

Good Morning Jimbo



1705. Post 11274024 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on May 03, 2015, 04:59:20 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-goes-mainstream-174241858.html

Bitcoin goes mainstream with Goldman Sachs' backing

with news like these, who need bull   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ?

honestly, if even big bank put their money in bitcoin related business, they know that bitcoin business going big time... yay  Grin

It's nice to see them differentiate between bitcoins and Bitcoin, between the vehicle of speculation and the transfer network.

GS's investment in Bitcoin is a clear endorsement of the value of the network and as the value of Bitcoin increases, the price of bitcoins will surely follow, albeit much more slowly.

Short-term, this news won't make much difference to the price. Long-term it's very bullish.

I sort of disagree a bit. I think it will matter in the short term. I think this is a green light for many financial actors. I also think speculators are going to start pricing this event into the price of XBT fairly immediately.

And even though their investment isn't purely a buy in into the bitcoin currency I think this talk about "investing in the network", as if it is completely independent of the currency, is just a way of deflecting criticism. GS are dipping their toes into the currency. The transactions will happen on the Bitcoin network with XBT units. This is BIG. This is not another "the blockchain-technology is fascinating but the currency is shit" kind of statement like we've seen in the past.

Goldman Sachs has boarded the train.

CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKERS!!!



1706. Post 11274147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: (Lithium) on May 03, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
So, what is the technical prediction of the price of btc now?


prediction: star travel towards moon



It can't be made much clearer than this.



1707. Post 11274522 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 03, 2015, 06:46:15 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-goes-mainstream-174241858.html

Bitcoin goes mainstream with Goldman Sachs' backing

with news like these, who need bull   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy ?

honestly, if even big bank put their money in bitcoin related business, they know that bitcoin business going big time... yay  Grin

It's nice to see them differentiate between bitcoins and Bitcoin, between the vehicle of speculation and the transfer network.

GS's investment in Bitcoin is a clear endorsement of the value of the network and as the value of Bitcoin increases, the price of bitcoins will surely follow, albeit much more slowly.

Short-term, this news won't make much difference to the price. Long-term it's very bullish.

I sort of disagree a bit. I think it will matter in the short term. I think this is a green light for many financial actors. I also think speculators are going to start pricing this event into the price of XBT fairly immediately.

And even though their investment isn't purely a buy in into the bitcoin currency I think this talk about "investing in the network", as if it is completely independent of the currency, is just a way of deflecting criticism. GS are dipping their toes into the currency. The transactions will happen on the Bitcoin network with XBT units. This is BIG. This is not another "the blockchain-technology is fascinating but the currency is shit" kind of statement like we've seen in the past.

Goldman Sachs has boarded the train.

CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

No, its as the old guy from Canada said. Goldman Whacks have made the distinction between the technology that is bitcoin, and the blowhards who say we are going to the moon.   Grin

Would you care to elaborate?



1708. Post 11274834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on May 03, 2015, 07:16:38 PM
The way I see it: some banks are starting to invest in bitcoin companies (but not bitcoin the currency itself) simply because they suspect that something will come out of this whole crypto thing. It doesn't have to be bitcoin the currency itself, it doesn't have to be a "coin", maybe a payment network, maybe another technology, a distributed ledger system, who knows.

As Boston Fed Researchers and Bank of England explained a few months ago, a lot of these investments in bitcoin related companies are done because "even if bitcoin is unlikely to succeed, it will spur innovation".

You need to consider something here:
1. It's not true that bitcoin (a token) and the underlying technology (a distributed ledger) are inseparable. As the Tim Swanson report showed (http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Permissioned-distributed-ledgers.pdf).
2. The pioneers are almost never the settlers. Facebook was not the first social network. Google was not the first search engine., etc.
What I'm saying is not that bitcoin will be replaced by a random existing shitcoin (those are pretty much all pump&dumps). My point is that you shouldn't take for granted that bitcoin => moon because some aspects of the underlying technology can be useful, because some people tell you that blockchain and bitcoin are inseparable, or because some banks are currently starting to invest in bitcoin companies.

Everything is possible of course, just don't take it for granted.


Do you have a quote of what you are referring to? Or at least a chapter or a page to back up your statement?



1709. Post 11274994 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on May 03, 2015, 07:38:18 PM
The way I see it: some banks are starting to invest in bitcoin companies (but not bitcoin the currency itself) simply because they suspect that something will come out of this whole crypto thing. It doesn't have to be bitcoin the currency itself, it doesn't have to be a "coin", maybe a payment network, maybe another technology, a distributed ledger system, who knows.

As Boston Fed Researchers and Bank of England explained a few months ago, a lot of these investments in bitcoin related companies are done because "even if bitcoin is unlikely to succeed, it will spur innovation".

You need to consider something here:
1. It's not true that bitcoin (a token) and the underlying technology (a distributed ledger) are inseparable. As the Tim Swanson report showed (http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Permissioned-distributed-ledgers.pdf).
2. The pioneers are almost never the settlers. Facebook was not the first social network. Google was not the first search engine., etc.
What I'm saying is not that bitcoin will be replaced by a random existing shitcoin (those are pretty much all pump&dumps). My point is that you shouldn't take for granted that bitcoin => moon because some aspects of the underlying technology can be useful, because some people tell you that blockchain and bitcoin are inseparable, or because some banks are currently starting to invest in bitcoin companies.

Everything is possible of course, just don't take it for granted.


Do you have a quote of what you are referring to? Or at least a chapter or a page to back up your statement?
The Tim Swanson report I linked talks about it extensively.

Be careful tho I said that distibuted ledger technology and a reward token are not inseparable. Because technically yes the bitcoin blockchain needs bitcoin as a reward token, the network is dependent on its price etc.



I haven't read too closely (not closely at all, which is why I asked for a quote) but the kinds of networks where the blockchain and the token is separable it seems that no value is transferred. It will function purely as a ledger and the value will have to be transferred otherwise. If true, that seems quite limiting.



1710. Post 11275079 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 03, 2015, 08:01:09 PM
The way I see it: some banks are starting to invest in bitcoin companies (but not bitcoin the currency itself) simply because they suspect that something will come out of this whole crypto thing. It doesn't have to be bitcoin the currency itself, it doesn't have to be a "coin", maybe a payment network, maybe another technology, a distributed ledger system, who knows.

As Boston Fed Researchers and Bank of England explained a few months ago, a lot of these investments in bitcoin related companies are done because "even if bitcoin is unlikely to succeed, it will spur innovation".

You need to consider something here:
1. It's not true that bitcoin (a token) and the underlying technology (a distributed ledger) are inseparable. As the Tim Swanson report showed (http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Permissioned-distributed-ledgers.pdf).
2. The pioneers are almost never the settlers. Facebook was not the first social network. Google was not the first search engine., etc.
What I'm saying is not that bitcoin will be replaced by a random existing shitcoin (those are pretty much all pump&dumps). My point is that you shouldn't take for granted that bitcoin => moon because some aspects of the underlying technology can be useful, because some people tell you that blockchain and bitcoin are inseparable, or because some banks are currently starting to invest in bitcoin companies.

Everything is possible of course, just don't take it for granted.


Do you have a quote of what you are referring to? Or at least a chapter or a page to back up your statement?
The Tim Swanson report I linked talks about it extensively.

Be careful tho I said that distibuted ledger technology and a reward token are not inseparable. Because technically yes the bitcoin blockchain needs bitcoin as a reward token, the network is dependent on its price etc.



I haven't read too closely (not closely at all, which is why I asked for a quote) but the kinds of networks where the blockchain and the token is separable it seems that no value is transferred. It will function purely as a ledger and the value will have to be transferred otherwise. If true, that seems quite limiting.

Here's a link to a pdf of Anatomy of A Money-Like Informational Commodity: https://www.google.ca/search?q=tim+swanson+the+anatomy+of+a+money+like+inforational+commodity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&gfe_rd=cr&ei=AH5GVdX6KOeM8Qefr4DgAQ

It's a good read.

You bunch of dicks

I asked for something a bit less than a 66 page analysis and you throw a 318 page book back at me

FFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUU



1711. Post 11275148 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 03, 2015, 08:16:26 PM
The way I see it: some banks are starting to invest in bitcoin companies (but not bitcoin the currency itself) simply because they suspect that something will come out of this whole crypto thing. It doesn't have to be bitcoin the currency itself, it doesn't have to be a "coin", maybe a payment network, maybe another technology, a distributed ledger system, who knows.

As Boston Fed Researchers and Bank of England explained a few months ago, a lot of these investments in bitcoin related companies are done because "even if bitcoin is unlikely to succeed, it will spur innovation".

You need to consider something here:
1. It's not true that bitcoin (a token) and the underlying technology (a distributed ledger) are inseparable. As the Tim Swanson report showed (http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Permissioned-distributed-ledgers.pdf).
2. The pioneers are almost never the settlers. Facebook was not the first social network. Google was not the first search engine., etc.
What I'm saying is not that bitcoin will be replaced by a random existing shitcoin (those are pretty much all pump&dumps). My point is that you shouldn't take for granted that bitcoin => moon because some aspects of the underlying technology can be useful, because some people tell you that blockchain and bitcoin are inseparable, or because some banks are currently starting to invest in bitcoin companies.

Everything is possible of course, just don't take it for granted.


Do you have a quote of what you are referring to? Or at least a chapter or a page to back up your statement?
The Tim Swanson report I linked talks about it extensively.

Be careful tho I said that distibuted ledger technology and a reward token are not inseparable. Because technically yes the bitcoin blockchain needs bitcoin as a reward token, the network is dependent on its price etc.



I haven't read too closely (not closely at all, which is why I asked for a quote) but the kinds of networks where the blockchain and the token is separable it seems that no value is transferred. It will function purely as a ledger and the value will have to be transferred otherwise. If true, that seems quite limiting.

Here's a link to a pdf of Anatomy of A Money-Like Informational Commodity: https://www.google.ca/search?q=tim+swanson+the+anatomy+of+a+money+like+inforational+commodity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&gfe_rd=cr&ei=AH5GVdX6KOeM8Qefr4DgAQ

It's a good read.

You bunch of dicks

I asked for something a bit less than a 66 page analysis and you throw a 318 page book back at me

FFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUU



You dick



1712. Post 11275193 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 03, 2015, 08:17:44 PM

You bunch of dicks

I asked for something a bit less than a 66 page analysis and you throw a 318 page book back at me

FFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUU

Stick to the CCMF gifs, dude.
Don't suckerpunch me just because you can't build a valid argument. If you can't explain it then you haven't understood it.



1713. Post 11275247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 03, 2015, 08:27:01 PM

You bunch of dicks

I asked for something a bit less than a 66 page analysis and you throw a 318 page book back at me

FFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUU

Stick to the CCMF gifs, dude.
Don't suckerpunch me just because you can't build a valid argument. If you can't explain it then you haven't understood it.

Will this do?

https://youtu.be/25N-4zrk390


Nope, I'm on my friggin android phone again. In a setting where I would be an idiot to open one of your links.



1714. Post 11275291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 03, 2015, 08:32:28 PM

You bunch of dicks

I asked for something a bit less than a 66 page analysis and you throw a 318 page book back at me

FFFFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUU

Stick to the CCMF gifs, dude.
Don't suckerpunch me just because you can't build a valid argument. If you can't explain it then you haven't understood it.

Will this do?

https://youtu.be/25N-4zrk390


Nope, I'm on my friggin android phone again. In a setting where I would be an idiot to open one of your links.

My bad, it was a dead link alright, but i fixed it now. OK!

I'll check it later but I can give you a courtesy lol.

LOL

Edit: ok, I'm back. I stand by my LOL. Good point, well made.



1715. Post 11275651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

I'm reading a bit of this Tim Swanson report Strider linked to and his analytical skills leaves a bit to be desired. I am not in any way suggesting that Brian Armstrongs assertion is unassailable, but Mr. Swansons attack on it is not worth much.

"Two months ago Brian Armstrong, the CEO of Coinbase, said:

Ripple, Stellar, and Altcoins are all a distraction. Bitcoin is way too far ahead. We should be focused on bitcoin and sidechains.

This is empirically untrue. If Bitcoin was “too far ahead,” then axiomatically no one would be working on all these other projects as they would clearly see this trend and focus on one platform. "



Edit: OK, I guess the answer to this:

Quote from: Fatman3001 on May 03, 2015, 07:33:27 PM

1. It's not true that bitcoin (a token) and the underlying technology (a distributed ledger) are inseparable. As the Tim Swanson report showed (http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Permissioned-distributed-ledgers.pdf).


Do you have a quote of what you are referring to? Or at least a chapter or a page to back up your statement?

Quote from: Fatman3001 on May 03, 2015, 07:57:07 PM
I haven't read too closely (not closely at all, which is why I asked for a quote) but the kinds of networks where the blockchain and the token is separable it seems that no value is transferred. It will function purely as a ledger and the value will have to be transferred otherwise. If true, that seems quite limiting.

...was Hyperledger and it's ilk. The fact that none of you could simply say "Hyperledger" tells me that I am pretty much the only one who read this PoS, or I'm surrounded by douches.



1716. Post 11275983 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: inca on May 03, 2015, 10:16:34 PM
Come on shorters. Try and push it down a bit further so i can buy in.

Yeah!




1717. Post 11276105 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: inca on May 03, 2015, 10:29:55 PM
If you're short now you're either crazy or stupid. Or both. Grin

There are a lot of crazy stupid people on this thread it seems. Though they seem to have gone totally silent after the price inexplicably failed to crash to $160 last week.

Now all the TA people agree that we will head to 210-220 or 150-160. Will be interesting to see where we are when I wake up tomorrow. Wouldn't be surprised if we were in the 260s.

Good Night Y'all!



1718. Post 11277346 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: tabnloz on May 04, 2015, 12:28:23 AM
I'm reading a bit of this Tim Swanson report Strider linked to and his analytical skills leaves a bit to be desired. I am not in any way suggesting that Brian Armstrongs assertion is unassailable, but Mr. Swansons attack on it is not worth much.

"Two months ago Brian Armstrong, the CEO of Coinbase, said:

Ripple, Stellar, and Altcoins are all a distraction. Bitcoin is way too far ahead. We should be focused on bitcoin and sidechains.

This is empirically untrue. If Bitcoin was “too far ahead,” then axiomatically no one would be working on all these other projects as they would clearly see this trend and focus on one platform. "



Edit: OK, I guess the answer to this:


1. It's not true that bitcoin (a token) and the underlying technology (a distributed ledger) are inseparable. As the Tim Swanson report showed (http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Permissioned-distributed-ledgers.pdf).




I haven't read too closely (not closely at all, which is why I asked for a quote) but the kinds of networks where the blockchain and the token is separable it seems that no value is transferred. It will function purely as a ledger and the value will have to be transferred otherwise. If true, that seems quite limiting.


re: Tim Swanson's paper. A permissioned ledger is a completely separate thing from the Bitcoin protocol. There really should not be a direct comparison because the critical aspects of Bitcoin aren't present in a permissioned ledger. They aren't decentralised and they are not 'trustless'.

In conversation with Tim I've been privy to, he has two main things to say: one, that big banks don't want bitcoin because they need to trust an unknown third party (miners) and two, that this is a business game to make money not be idealistic. He believes bitcoiners are all misguided anarchists and libertarians and that only profit focused people who play nice with the TBTF's see the potential.

I get the feeling he underestimates the value of what Bitcoin is though. Yes, technologies like hyperledger might lead to a more efficient digital layer within a states banking system, but when you want to move money between jurisdictions and currencies much of the same old system applies.

With Bitcoin, any individual anywhere in the world can secure value digitally and send it to wherever s/he wants instantly, because it has value just about anywhere. That takes time to build, and as we all know, it's a bumpy ride. And it's a quality I don't see in any of the permissioned tokenless ledgers. With those you have to have a separate clearing mechanism, so basically most of the costs are still in place.

You might get it to some extent with permissioned ledgers with tokens. But if it's going to be as cost-efficient as Bitcoin they will have to go through the bumpy ride of price discovery, and I just don't see how that's going to be done. Nor do I see why it should be done. It can't be closed loop, so it will run into much of the same problems as Bitcoin, except now you have someone to sue. And how is that going to help?



1719. Post 11277590 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Why do we keep feeding Dr.Troll?

If he wants to save souls he's in the wrong thread. There are none here.



1720. Post 11279756 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: hmmkay on May 04, 2015, 10:08:49 AM
Stop engaging losers like him. Because that's what he is.

Well, he sure will be if he's not stacking up on those coins.



1721. Post 11280153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Thankfully for H.H.Dr.Prof Bitcoin is completely irrelevant for his region.



https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=9lJHVYScIuWvygOB8YGYCQ&url=http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2014/06/bitcoin-argentina&ved=0CDAQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNGFKuMeMdB1FY0aSHGPaJBSjQljeA&sig2=kG2wGvhrW33XVR92hFv4jg


https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=9lJHVYScIuWvygOB8YGYCQ&url=http://www.vox.com/2015/4/30/8521747/argentina-bitcoin-inflation-fad&ved=0CDgQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNEbxKbtpq6lxly8VL4x-3Cc1eFalg&sig2=45mUyZxQtaxvMsRe_B3_1Q



1722. Post 11280253 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 04, 2015, 11:27:32 AM

That first article is almost a year old, Anything more recent?


The second article, dimwit!



1723. Post 11280266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 04, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
I do have to admit I kind of pity Jorge. Going into the history books as a clown and a parody on science. Just let the old fool rant and put up his biased ( academic much? ) non sense.

 in my experience many people who are academics/intellectuals don't end up getting rich because they don't take enough risks.


Its those who try to "end up rich" without proper due diligence usually end up dead poor.

Simply 'getting rich' is a pretty empty life goal anyway.

And trolling the internet isn't?



1724. Post 11280633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 04, 2015, 11:50:54 AM
I do have to admit I kind of pity Jorge. Going into the history books as a clown and a parody on science. Just let the old fool rant and put up his biased ( academic much? ) non sense.

 in my experience many people who are academics/intellectuals don't end up getting rich because they don't take enough risks.


Its those who try to "end up rich" without proper due diligence usually end up dead poor.

Simply 'getting rich' is a pretty empty life goal anyway.

And trolling the internet isn't?

Mere diversions, hardly life goals. Anyway, if someone puts that much thought and care into it ( even if you refuse to accept their point) then it is hardly trolling. I would class the majority of the ad-hominem responses from others as classic trolling.

I agree. If you redefine trolling, all is nice and dandy.



1725. Post 11280674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: inca on May 04, 2015, 12:34:14 PM
Time to try and shed a few more of the 26000 shorts.

Tarmi, luckyenough, NHJT, NLC all notably absent.

They are probably loading up on coins. No point being a bear anymore.



1726. Post 11280845 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: nanobrain on May 04, 2015, 12:54:24 PM

Why not focus those efforts on something that he could actually benefit from financially.
He might be a really intelligent man but in my experience many people who are academics/intellectuals don't end up getting rich because they don't take enough risks.
Too straight laced, live life by the book.


Well, if you see everything as a nail all you ever yearn for are lots of hammers.

What an empty, vacuous life you must lead to come out with this sort of drivel....la




Yes, he wrote about making money in a forum thread dedicated to digital currency speculation.

I was expecting poetry and flowers!



1727. Post 11281771 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 04, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Hey Jorge. You spend a LOT of time on various fora discussing BitCoin. Must be like a full time job almost.

How can you afford to do that, plus make a living?

My question would be more - Why bother?

I dedicate my time to things I enjoy & have belief in.



My point exactly.

So why DOES he dedicate so much time to something he doesn't believe in?

I spend about half of my life on pro-socialist forums like hitlerpraise.com and stalinforums.com talking about how ridiculous they all are and that their ideal of everyone making the same pay for different levels of work will never succeed. I do it for the children.
A lot can be said about the Soviet Union, but they were the ones who rid Europe of the fascists. You equating fascism with socialism is not just stupid, but insulting to the millions who died and the millions who lost a family member in the fight against fascism.



1728. Post 11281872 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on May 04, 2015, 03:21:52 PM
Stop engaging losers like him. Because that's what he is.

Well, he sure will be if he's not stacking up on those coins.
I've advised folks to stop laboring away and going paragraph to paragraph w/ this guy, it's a dead end after all this time. He's dug in his heels so deep that he has to keep up the ostrich routine because his ego is too aged and set in stone. Ya can't teach this dog a new trick.

I agree, will try to behave.



1729. Post 11282021 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

This will end in tears




1730. Post 11282312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: chriswilmer on May 04, 2015, 04:09:52 PM
GBTC just had first trade.



Why do I not see it at this website?

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote
Because there is no trade. Bid/Ask don't match yet

Edit: Holy Crap! I was wrong. Ding ding ding! We have a winner!



1731. Post 11282643 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on May 04, 2015, 04:39:32 PM
It's actually not just a technicality.  National Socialists really were socialists - not only in name.  They apparently took the 'Nationalism' more seriously than the 'Socialism', but they were, nonetheless, actual socialists.

For example, in Hitler's Germany, all German citizens were guaranteed a job by the government.  All German citizens were entitled to an education at government expense.  Healthcare was not totally socialized, but was heavily subsidized by the government.  Etc., etc., etc.  Sounds reasonably socialist to me.

I agree with you, but on the other hand, that also makes folks like Henry Ford socialist.
Back in the 20s, Ford's workers also enjoyed many of the things commonly associated with socialism: Free daycare, subsidised housing, free medical care, recreation & sports complexes, etc.
And he was quite fond of the Nazis, and they were equally impressed by him - Goebbels translated Ford's antisemetic newspaper & used chunks of it in his speeches, verbatim Smiley
I guess the man who epitomises capitalist industrialism is a closet socialist Undecided


I was not implying any kind of value judgement at all - just relating historical fact.



screw this

ignore



1732. Post 11282746 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on May 04, 2015, 04:54:14 PM
And the $42s are cleared off the books with another 259 shares. $200 on the ask, lmfao.

If someone really bought at those prices, everyone buying into GBTC - no matter at which time - would have made a profit. I mean, it's clear some people will just want to grab the first shares traded on the ETF, but buying at those prices is insane. They're either trying to confuse people about the value of a single share (1/10 of a BTC) or try to make a quick buck in a crazy emerging market.

It is not insane... it is a speculation. What if those are actually the cheapest shares? Many bought btc at 800$+  Wink

Of course it's speculation Cheesy Cheapest shares... well... Of course that could be, but considering the fact that the underlying asset is worth less on the open market (BTC exchanges) I still think it's more likely that those prices are overvalued - Big time.

I think it's likely the price of shares and coins will approach each other. But with $140 of ground to cover, that's a nice ride.



1733. Post 11282853 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on May 04, 2015, 05:02:05 PM
And the $42s are cleared off the books with another 259 shares. $200 on the ask, lmfao.

If someone really bought at those prices, everyone buying into GBTC - no matter at which time - would have made a profit. I mean, it's clear some people will just want to grab the first shares traded on the ETF, but buying at those prices is insane. They're either trying to confuse people about the value of a single share (1/10 of a BTC) or try to make a quick buck in a crazy emerging market.

It is not insane... it is a speculation. What if those are actually the cheapest shares? Many bought btc at 800$+  Wink

Of course it's speculation Cheesy Cheapest shares... well... Of course that could be, but considering the fact that the underlying asset is worth less on the open market (BTC exchanges) I still think it's more likely that those prices are overvalued - Big time.

I think it's likely the price of shares and coins will approach each other. But with $140 of ground to cover, that's a nice ride.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, as well! I don't think the GBTC price will have to blindly approach the BTC spot price on Bitcoin exchanges. For all we know, Bitcoin ETFs could - in a few years - be the primary way of price discovery for Bitcoin! It remains to be seen how much "force" the ETF can exert on the regular BTC spot price on Finex, etc.

That sounds plausible. Especially if BTC finds real usage in clearance and settlements.



1734. Post 11282951 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: ensurance982 on May 04, 2015, 05:10:17 PM
That sounds plausible. Especially if BTC finds real usage in clearance and settlements.

BTC being used in remittance is already a very interesting and promising fact. And even though it could make sense to use the protocol as a backbone for clearance within the regular banking system, I just don't see how it could be integrated at this point. I've got a feeling that the volatility (and of course low liquidity/market cap) makes it more than tricky at this point.

At this point, yes. But we don't have to move far in terms of stability before the cost savings are such that it makes sense.



1735. Post 11283189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.13h):

Quote from: stoick on May 04, 2015, 05:30:28 PM
I was not implying any kind of value judgement at all - just relating historical fact.

EDIT:  I realized I did not answer your point.  It is a fact that capitalists can practice a little socialism, socialists can practice a little capitalism, and either can be practiced to varying degrees by both good and evil men.  We do not live in a binary universe.

Your edit is pretty much what I was trying to say. There is nothing inherently wrong with Socialism. The Reich's (amazing) initial success in WW2 was, in large part, due to its socialist aspects: state taking control of the industry, subsidized scientific research, etc., etc. It's the "Nationalist" part that made nazis ...unlovable. The whole racial purity, eugenics, antisemitism, lebensraum at any cost etc. The "socialism" part worked like a charm Smiley


Yes, Socialism is a very effective way to gain the hearts and minds of the people, no doubt.

And a very effective way of running an economy which is what I was driving at.

Quote
Your responses seem to suggest that you read my initial post as implying that socialism was evil because Nazis were socialists.  I certainly never said anything like that.  I just pointed out that they were, in fact, socialists, both by their own claim, and demonstrably by many of their social and economic policies.

I corrected Fatman3001 by pointing out that, at least technically, nazis *were* socialist. So yeah, I'm with you there.




You two were getting on my tits a bit, but I see now that it's more a matter of confusion regarding terminology.



1736. Post 11285072 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 04, 2015, 08:46:16 PM
First trade is showing up on http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote now

I now hold Bitcoin in my Roth IRA, purchased from Ameritrade.
No different than buying any other stock. (OK, pink sheets, so you must use limit orders, but you get the idea.)

I've waited years for this day! Can't wait to see what happens next.
I miiiiight have a bit of a bullish bias here ;-)

Is this with or rather through a self-funded roth ira? Sorry, I'm not overly familiar and just wanted to pick your brains a bit. This seems, well frankly, like an amazing vehicle for preserving growth.
So, if I understand correctly, you would have deposited up to $5500 for the year of contributions or how ever little; then you just bought the individual shares.

The money you've spent on this has already been taxed. So, assuming it is a qualified withdrawal; if you bought basically a coin at $420, if at the time it is withdrawn, the coin/share is now worth $1,000; you do not pay taxes on that $580 increase in value? And likewise; if the coin is worth say $32,000... you wouldn't pay tax on that additionally $31,000 in appreciation assuming it's a valid withdrawal?

That seems almost to good to be true lol. How is this not amazing!? lol?

To my knowledge, that is correct. (Consult your own accountant, blahblahblah disclaimer).

It is why I have been waiting for this day for years.
Anyone with retirement funds can now buy Bitcoin.

The faucet JUST opened, and the supply is not yet even a dribble.

It is simply unbelievable that $133.7 could be used to set an all time high.
I so badly wish it was represented on the charts.

It's showing 133.70 now. EDIT: Make that $175.00.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote

So... who is still on a bear side?  Grin

bid side: 45$ top.

plus anyone could explain the hell is "Each GBTC share represents ownership of approximately 0.1 bitcoin" supposed to mean? is one share 1/10th of an <imaginary> bitcoin or not?

They own a certain number of shares.
Market participants can buy or sell the stock, knowing that they have X amount of underlying bitcoins as value.

When the stock price goes up such that the value exceeds 0.1 times the market value of Bitcoin per share, BIT can purchase additional shares.

The net value of the fund would then change. But it does not remain in perfect lockstep with the ratio. So it is approximate.

The listings are still wonky.
When my 100 GBTC sale sold 7 at the all time high ($133.7 each), the funds transferred, yet the full 100 showed as for sale.
When 10 more sold, the listing disappeared.
Yet there are still 84 GBTC for sale at $133.7.
I don't even see my orders showing in Level II data, yet it appears within my trading account as a posted Ask.

Some on ToF have speculated that some of the chart data is not yet refreshed.
I'm hopeful such an update occurs. I believe this is the most likely explanation. Because when I initially bought, 100 shares were at $42, but I also bought one at $46. Yet the trading accounts still show $42 as the high for the day.

Maybe we'll find out tomorrow.

Could it be that a certain number of shares needs to be sold in order to get listing so that nobody can artificially inflate the price?



1737. Post 11285429 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 04, 2015, 09:03:33 PM

Could it be that a certain number of shares needs to be sold in order to get listing so that nobody can artificially inflate the price?

That was my first guess, as my sale of 1 GBTC at $133.7 did not appear, but the 100 did.

However, other entrants have Asks of 1 GBTC and are appearing.

I even set up small sales using each of the various Limit options in case there was some quirky other criterion.
So far, I've not been able to decide how the 100 Share limit could apply and yet let 1 GBTC listings appear.

The best explanation I have so far is quirks and bugs in the display, filtering, and refreshing/updating of information, such that the same actions on my part a week or two from now would display all this data.
Not sure.

Thanks for the Bloomberg feed. It's good to know the orders my exchange shows as listed actually...are.

Gotta love Day 1 of a new toy in Bitcoinland :-)

And thx for sharing your test ride with us



1738. Post 11287843 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on May 05, 2015, 03:41:53 AM
From what I've read the last few pages, I'm leaning on that no one knows what's going on here, sorry. Almost no volume at high levels is going on, a few buying chump shares at high prices means nothing yet.

Was that dump you?

Please don't do that. It hurts in my qr code.



1739. Post 11288833 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Ok, enough fun now

Let's snap this mofo in reverse!



1740. Post 11289768 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

well, this sucks.....



1741. Post 11290030 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Desperate times call for desperate measures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKaXY4IdZ40


Edit:  Might not be enough, have to boost this mofo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IA3ZvCkRkQ



1742. Post 11290090 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: lay785 on May 05, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
people waiting on the sidelines.

Eyes are still on GBTC.

Youtube does help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V031uXu6Uso



Is that from the welsh edition?



1743. Post 11290682 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: solex on May 05, 2015, 11:55:53 AM
This is just in:

Huobi Will Now Take Your Bitcoins as Stock Trading Collateral. -- Huobi's new platform lets investors buy real shares on the Shanghai Stock Exchange, while still keeping their bitcoin holdings as collateral. --(Published @ May 05, 2015 at 06:07AM by www.bitcoins.am

http://bit.ly/1zvWCSm

now this is interesting moves, this makes shanghai stock exchange become international stock exchange...

Oooh yes!
Just in time to be the last buyer at the peak of the Shanghai stock bubble, after it has been pumped, hyped, leveraged, fueled by decades of export cash, yuan printing, 16x-annual-income-mortgages residential property market, and eyeballs-deep-in-debt corporate commercial property bubble, and empty cities construction bubble. No more domestic buyers left in China. MUST keep super-Shanghai-super-bubble-stock-market inflated with foreign investor's BTC savings....

MUST be a silver-lining here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-05/china-stocks-tumble-most-4-months-australia-cuts-rates-record-low

The chinese government is quite good at their game of "pick-up sticks", but it can't go on forever. In a democratic country that could cost you an election. Could be interesting to see if The Communist Party will experience something similar.



1744. Post 11290875 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Cloudsdale on May 05, 2015, 12:30:39 PM

Nothing to worry about. Just more coiling. Like a spring. Like a cobra, getting ready to strike. Like a pig, readying to take to the sky and SOAR!
I'm guardedly optimistic.
Good morning to you, lunatics gentlemen.

Good morning NLC

Are you really BMB?



1745. Post 11290951 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Cloudsdale on May 05, 2015, 12:40:56 PM
^ BMB? <-I know I'll regret asking...

I understand. Mum's the word.



1746. Post 11291114 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Cloudsdale on May 05, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
^ BMB? <-I know I'll regret asking...

I understand. Mum's the word.

Blind Mayor Bitcoin?
Haven't you figured out yet that The Lamb is all that is Ev0l, all that is Wr0ng, Everyth1ng not begging for another spurt from Bitcoin's throbbing, girthy D?
The 0nly Reas0n Bitcoin is not Over 9000 & we're not all sipping umbrella drinks on a beach in Tahiti?

I'll take that as a "yes" then, frenchie



1747. Post 11291150 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: empowering on May 05, 2015, 01:01:36 PM
MPID    Ask Price    Size    Date/Time
CSTI   50000.00   100   08:53

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I'm guessing they're testing the system, but if that gets filled I will buy myself an ice cream.



1748. Post 11291228 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: empowering on May 05, 2015, 01:10:24 PM
MPID    Ask Price    Size    Date/Time
CSTI   50000.00   100   08:53

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I'm guessing they're testing the system, but if that gets filled I will buy myself an ice cream.

Pretty funny either way.

I note the 50000 BID has disappeared again.... I wonder if it will pop back up in 20 minutes or so.


 

If so, then probably at a more realistic price. I don't think even Adam is expecting 500k a coin this week.


Edit: But that's CSTI. That's chainsaw. Someone could just ask him.



1749. Post 11292570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Asrael999 on May 05, 2015, 03:32:20 PM
Greece introduces a cashpoint tax to try to stem capital outflow
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/



Are these the capital controls that's supposed to make greeks look at Bitcoin?

Well, its not like the greeks really have heard of Bitcoin anyway.

Except in finance minister Yanis Varoufakis' april fools joke. Irony is a bitch!


Edit: This is brewing to be The Perfect Storm!



1750. Post 11292781 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: macsga on May 05, 2015, 03:58:02 PM
Greece introduces a cashpoint tax to try to stem capital outflow
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/



Are these the capital controls that's supposed to make greeks look at Bitcoin?

Well, its not like the greeks really have heard of Bitcoin anyway.

Except in finance minister Yanis Varoufakis' april fools joke. Irony is a bitch!

Well, there's a Greek saying that goes like this:

"Among the funny things, pretty serious things are spoken"

Except you don't believe in "conspiracy theories"... Here's a nice one for you then.

If you ask me, yes; I believe that Greece should be the 1st one to incorporate BTC as a second currency. This way Gresham's law will take over and the debt will be eliminated (BTC=Non inflationary, EUR=inflationary). One after another the other -in debt- countries will follow... EU will be the 1st continent to test the new digital currency as it was the 1st one to test the EURO.

Too crazy to be real?

Remember: Fantasy has limits; Reality has not. Wink


The funny thing is that suddenly Greece would be No.1 in electronic payment system adoption too. A little image boost doesn't hurt.



1751. Post 11294345 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Norway on May 05, 2015, 06:31:41 PM
I never claimed to be an expert of this world, nobody are. But I actually read that part (same wiki page that I linked to) before you posted this link.
Citadel LLC is a large organisation. Naturally, they have different business segments. I'm not going to discuss this anymore unless you come up with a valid point. I'm not here for a troll fight.

Well, I have, because I know this domain very well and the fact that it is Citadel Securities, mean it is not the hedge fund business. You can choose to believe me or not of course  Wink
What is your point?

This:

Quote from: sleger on May 05, 2015, 05:22:46 PM
That is incorrect, Citadel here is acting as a broker, they are not the one buying, they are executing orders on behalf of someone else (like Ameritrade, eTrade etc...)

They are not buying for their hedge fund, someone simply traded on their trading platform.



1752. Post 11294456 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Norway on May 05, 2015, 06:46:41 PM
I never claimed to be an expert of this world, nobody are. But I actually read that part (same wiki page that I linked to) before you posted this link.
Citadel LLC is a large organisation. Naturally, they have different business segments. I'm not going to discuss this anymore unless you come up with a valid point. I'm not here for a troll fight.

Well, I have, because I know this domain very well and the fact that it is Citadel Securities, mean it is not the hedge fund business. You can choose to believe me or not of course  Wink
What is your point?

This:

That is incorrect, Citadel here is acting as a broker, they are not the one buying, they are executing orders on behalf of someone else (like Ameritrade, eTrade etc...)

They are not buying for their hedge fund, someone simply traded on their trading platform.

My point was (1 million posts ago, lol) that Citadel Securities brings great liquidity to GBTC, while the ask side has max 150.000 bitcoin in matured funds.
From Wikipedia: "Citadel Securities ... execute one out of every four retail trades at the NYSE and NASDAQ."

You seemed to be shouting past each other, rather than at each other so I thought I'd add to the mess.



1753. Post 11294694 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: cfdtm on May 05, 2015, 07:04:47 PM
I was just thinking... like, if everyone in the world wanted to have just one Bitcoin, how much would my bitcoin be worth?


Let me test the magic word first: Banned

Edit: Nothing happened, maybe he's ok

Edit: Fuck, too soon



1754. Post 11294956 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 05, 2015, 07:07:52 PM
I was just thinking... like, if everyone in the world wanted to have just one Bitcoin, how much would my bitcoin be worth?


if everyone in the world wanted just one  bitcoin, how many would you want?


Please tell me that really, you're a whale who sold your 100k coins in the 800-1000 range and have decided to buy back a couple of hundred k.



1755. Post 11295189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 05, 2015, 07:44:56 PM
I was just thinking... like, if everyone in the world wanted to have just one Bitcoin, how much would my bitcoin be worth?


if everyone in the world wanted just one  bitcoin, how many would you want?


Please tell me that really, you're a whale who sold your 100k coins in the 800-1000 range and have decided to buy back a couple of hundred k.

Nah - adamstgBit is Satoshi  Grin

Careful with that speak. You might anger him.




1756. Post 11296443 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on May 05, 2015, 10:16:32 PM
Btc-e is going crazy. 238.

They're not going crazy, they're going sane.



1757. Post 11296912 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Wary on May 05, 2015, 11:10:41 PM
Greece introduces a cashpoint tax to try to stem capital outflow
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/



Are these the capital controls that's supposed to make greeks look at Bitcoin?

Well, its not like the greeks really have heard of Bitcoin anyway.

Except in finance minister Yanis Varoufakis' april fools joke. Irony is a bitch!


Edit: This is brewing to be The Perfect Storm!
Cyprus was too early, Greece is probably still too early. We need another couple of years.

For a financial crisis to boost bitcoin to the moon we need:
a) bitcoiners must develop mature bitcoin ecosystem
b) governments must provide the crisis

Both sides are working hard on their respective parts Smiley

idk. a lot of well off greeks read about the finance ministers april fools joke, the same well off greeks who are looking to diversify out of fiat. It might just be a fraction of a percent who actually buys some coins, but that could still be a fairly large sum of money. 50-200 million euros flowing into Bitcoin will have a substantial effect on the current Bitcoin market. I know it's a long shot, but stranger things have happened.



1758. Post 11296970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 05, 2015, 11:31:50 PM
Greece introduces a cashpoint tax to try to stem capital outflow
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/



Are these the capital controls that's supposed to make greeks look at Bitcoin?

Well, its not like the greeks really have heard of Bitcoin anyway.

Except in finance minister Yanis Varoufakis' april fools joke. Irony is a bitch!


Edit: This is brewing to be The Perfect Storm!
Cyprus was too early, Greece is probably still too early. We need another couple of years.

For a financial crisis to boost bitcoin to the moon we need:
a) bitcoiners must develop mature bitcoin ecosystem
b) governments must provide the crisis

Both sides are working hard on their respective parts Smiley

idk. a lot of well off greeks read about the finance ministers april fools joke, the same well off greeks who are looking to diversify out of fiat. It might just be a fraction of a percent who actually buys some coins, but that could still be a fairly large sum of money. 50-200 million euros flowing into Bitcoin will have a substantial effect on the current Bitcoin market. I know it's a long shot, but stranger things have happened.

Fatman Y U still think Imma troll? Y?

Coo coo ca choo



1759. Post 11296992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Wary on May 05, 2015, 11:34:17 PM
Greece introduces a cashpoint tax to try to stem capital outflow
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/



Are these the capital controls that's supposed to make greeks look at Bitcoin?

Well, its not like the greeks really have heard of Bitcoin anyway.

Except in finance minister Yanis Varoufakis' april fools joke. Irony is a bitch!


Edit: This is brewing to be The Perfect Storm!
Cyprus was too early, Greece is probably still too early. We need another couple of years.

For a financial crisis to boost bitcoin to the moon we need:
a) bitcoiners must develop mature bitcoin ecosystem
b) governments must provide the crisis

Both sides are working hard on their respective parts Smiley

idk. a lot of well off greeks read about the finance ministers april fools joke, the same well off greeks who are looking to diversify out of fiat. It might just be a fraction of a percent who actually buys some coins, but that could still be a fairly large sum of money. 50-200 million euros flowing into Bitcoin will have a substantial effect on the current Bitcoin market. I know it's a long shot, but stranger things have happened.
After such long, unexpected and exhausting bear stretch I'm just afraid to be an optimist. Smiley

Being cynical simply to avoid ridicule is the way of the coward. Rejoice and praise the rocket gifs! We are going to da blimmin  mooooon!!!!

Also, I'm a miner so I don't really have a choice.



1760. Post 11300282 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: edgar on May 06, 2015, 09:13:52 AM
You ignore Chartbuddy?

I consider Richy_T's bot to be perhaps the most valuable poster here.

To group it in with a bunch of trolls is unfair IMHO.
Don't anthropomorphize bots. They don't like it Smiley
 
Ignoring somebody is not value statement or token of (un)appreciation, but matter of convenience. When I want to look at Chartbuddy, i do.

exactly! When i want to read dull posts about coffee, i do.

hence ignoring jimbo for a while - minimizing the pointlessness makes for a  brighter day, always!

With superior posts like that, who could argue with you?



1761. Post 11300576 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: AizenSou on May 06, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
I think anyone who thinks that "wall street' wants to buy bitcoin because Moon need to keep the above in mind. As long as there is enough volatility and volume, they will make money, much the same way as any disinterested day trader can ( and has) made money on the weekly 240 - 220 cycles we see every week.

Most of the trade volume at the big Chinese exchanges is probably robot trading.   However, are the robot owners "wall street", or just individual day-traders who code their own robots?  Is the liquidity there sufficient for "wall street" to be interested?

I would think that the Western exchanges like Bitstamp have so little liquidity and so much spread that not even "cottage robots" would find them worth the trouble.  Is that so?

Jorge's troll posts don't make me laugh anymore Sad
Need more BTC at cheap price I guess. Jorge you should work harder to FUD, seriously Tongue

That's a fairly obvious fishing post, although, as you say, not as colourful as before. He's expecting some well-intentioned nerd to respond, only to bombard him/her with text. And as nerds we keep entertaining him. If only they could ban him.



1762. Post 11300923 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: inca on May 06, 2015, 10:46:23 AM
Order book on finex looking very bullish (though often a mirage). Shorts at 27700. Longs over 25 million.

I get the feeling the market is waiting for something. Perhaps if this 5000BTC bid goes through we will see some real heavy buying on exchange.

We are at an interesting inflection point. Interest in bitcoin is very low and the price is low. But at the very end of a bear market this is how it should be. Traders are shorting something they think has no future to extreme levels. But the price fails to go down any further. And just in the distance the technicals may be about to blossom. I suspect the bull will be reawakening soon and the opportunity to buy in at 235 will have been squandered by many.

I agree. I think that if you believe in the potential of Bitcoin, anything below 500 is cheap as chips. If you don't, you shouldn't buy in at any point.

In any event, all this moaning about wanting cheaper coins is pretty daft. Wether you buy in at 200 or 300 isn't going to matter that much. But if you wait until everyone else sees the light at 5000 you're gonna feel mighty stupid.



1763. Post 11300951 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: (Lithium) on May 06, 2015, 11:34:50 AM
May someone just buy 5k coins somewhere and start a pump, please?
+1



1764. Post 11301462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 06, 2015, 12:18:47 PM


 Grin

How rude. Angry

Don't fret. He's just being wary.



1765. Post 11302816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 06, 2015, 02:21:47 PM

That's a fairly obvious fishing post, although, as you say, not as colourful as before. He's expecting some well-intentioned nerd to respond, only to bombard him/her with text. And as nerds we keep entertaining him. If only they could ban him.

I think the fact that you don't find them as funny anymore may be a subliminal realization that things aren't as rosy as you had been hoping to believe. After all the good news lately, for once outnumbering the scams, there is still no improvement in bitcoin. The failure of GBTC * to take off is a further kick in the nuts.

Maybe you are realizing that if bitcoin is going to succeed, it needs to do it on its own.

Anyway, my posts are generally aimed at the lurkers, the people who come here to check out what its all about. I understand you have your view and you are not about to change it for all the logic in China.  Grin



I don't find them funny because I never did. I just needed some flow in my text.

And if you knew anything about logic you would know that logic doesn't say anything about anything. It's simply a way to analyse consistency within a text or a statement. Like this sentence:

"Maybe you are realizing that if bitcoin is going to succeed, it needs to do it on its own"

which could be seen as inconsistent with this:

"Anyway, my posts are generally aimed at the lurkers, the people who come here to check out what its all about."

Ask your buddy about it, he uses it quite consistently to mislead people.

With regards to lurkers. Every single one of them understands this thread better than you do, so you can lower your shoulders.



1766. Post 11303426 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 06, 2015, 04:32:46 PM


Yup. And apples are inconsistent with oranges. Different things, like different statements are, well, different.

Neither I nor Jorge is out to mislead anyone. Just to point out the obvious flaws in some of the absurdities that pass for axioms on this thread.
Being able to make an informed decision about anything generally requires you to look at both sides. For you, there is clearly only one side, and you don't want anyone to look at it from any other angle, Hence the need to demonize, "ignore" or blacklist anyone who doesn't fully subscribe to your own narrow view of bitcoin.

As for lurkers, I was watching this thread for a long time before I started posting. In that time I could see the obvious duplicity in the postings of certain regulars, who try to paint a picture that bitcoin is on its way to being worth $32k a coin because... well just because.

As for your statement
Quote
With regards to lurkers. Every single one of them understands this thread better than you do

Maybe they do. Dont know how you think you are qualified to say how "every single one" of them thinks, though Huh. And if they have seen both sides of the argument in coming to their conclusions, then that is even better.

Please keep pointing out flaws, but if you want to be taken seriously I would recommend that you build your own argument rather than keep defending our resident tl,dr-troll.



1767. Post 11304258 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 06, 2015, 05:14:57 PM

Please keep pointing out flaws, but if you want to be taken seriously I would recommend that you build your own argument rather than keep defending our resident tl,dr-troll.

I don't 'defend' him, just his right to his opinion. I agree with a lot of what he says, but wouldn't share the same level of skepticism he has. But in the end of the day it is just a personal view, and any intelligent person knows they must make their own minds up about it while making sure they have all the relevant facts.

Anyway, I'm not always negative. I think bitcoin makes plenty of nice, quiet advances everyday.  In my own business, we have taken almost 200BTC in revenues, and paid out over 80BTC to freelancers since January.  Bullish! Indeed....  But I cant get others to get involved because every time they look into it they find crackpots and scammers.  Shocked


Bitcoiners pushing bitcoin on people who don't need it can end up doing more harm than good IMHO, there are plenty of valid uses for it. If I seem a bit illogical irrational at times, it's because I believe those valid uses have a huge potential.

Whether it's Bitcoin or some other currency, there is always going to be people trying to take advantage of other people. As someone who ordered gear from both KnC and BFL, I can assure you there is a dark side to the "Bitcoin Community". But that been said, we're talking about digital money. So thinking of the entire Bitcoin ecosystem as a "Community" is a bit naive anyway.



1768. Post 11304392 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Moria843 on May 06, 2015, 06:26:01 PM
At this rate, will we still be able to get two really good pizzas for 50,000 BTC in 2020?

At this rate we will stay at around $220-240 until 2020, so it all depends on if there's a shortage of pizza in five years.



1769. Post 11304537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: rolling on May 06, 2015, 06:41:49 PM
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Whether it's Bitcoin or some other currency, there is always going to be people trying to take advantage of other people. As someone who ordered gear from both KnC and BFL, I can assure you there is a dark side to the "Bitcoin Community". But that been said, we're talking about digital money. So thinking of the entire Bitcoin ecosystem as a "Community" is a bit naive anyway.

The problem with BTC is it has no mechanisms in place to deal with bad actors. That's Y it fails - right on the conceptual level.
Real money has the might of the state to punish the con men, Bitcoin? Not so much.

Thus far, the only repercussions felt by thieves & conmen in Bitcoin Equestria came from the hand of the nanny-state Bitcoiners so love to whine about Undecided

The state has just as much power over bad actors who use bitcoin as they do over bad actors using cash.

Since when does money have to provide a method to deal with bad actors. That is not a function of money.

I think rmbku is lambie. But yeah, what Rolling said.



1770. Post 11304757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on May 06, 2015, 07:02:58 PM
You are right ^^...well i think it is possible and if we break 262-265 its possible we would start finally new bull trend...but we will see...it depends when whales and market manipulators will decide if the new bull trend should start  Wink but i find kind of interesting that btc-e is not higher than all other exchanges...i remember it was almost always lower...any thoughts about this?

I'm not an expert trader mate.
If I'm honest I've never sold anything, I just buy & HODL.
Bitcoin is a long term investment for me, I'm not looking for small, short term profits.
I've just got my fingers crossed, hoping for maybe 5,000 USD per coin one day then it's party time.

Isn't this just the "bagholder waiting for a greater fool" mantra? I mean global, non-state, algorithmically controlled means of wealth storage and transfer... and you just hope for a quick 20 bagger to go party?


We can't all be sitting around a camp fire singing Kumbaya. If that's a requirement then we should just close this thing down. He's buying coins. It takes all kinds.



1771. Post 11305817 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

7k dump on finex


boooooooring



1772. Post 11305831 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Brewins on May 06, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
big pump has begun...

Well, it's heading in the wrong direction. Someone should buy these whales a GPS.



1773. Post 11305917 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Ok, I'll show you some TA that will make sense of it all. As illustrated by lowstrife on the left and Jingle Bells on the right, we are currently in the 10th bar. We will be moving between 230 and 240 until the end of the 12th where we will briefly visit the 250 area.





1774. Post 11306015 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on May 06, 2015, 10:07:30 PM
20.000 bitcoins burned for only 4 usd dump. We are strongest than ever.




1775. Post 11306062 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

@rmbku

You ought to be banned!



1776. Post 11306147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

@rmbku

coward



1777. Post 11306264 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: UnholyTrinity on May 06, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
The mere fact that we struggle to stay above 230$ is bullish as fuck. just like fucked up exchanges(all of them), no liquidity trading with fantasy prices on penny stocks BTC and everything else is bullish as fuck. Donīt get fooled by anyone who says different! Those paid shills and trolls are everywhere. They just want *sigh* cheap coins. Itīs again a sunny day for us bulls, iīm lovin it!


Are you saving rmbku for something special?



1778. Post 11306365 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: inca on May 06, 2015, 10:53:37 PM
<troll crap>


Are you saving rmbku for something special?

Its NLC. Just ignore.

sry, will behave



1779. Post 11309046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Prob a repost, but a good read

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/magazine/how-bitcoin-is-disrupting-argentinas-economy.html?_r=0



1780. Post 11309292 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: atlosas on May 07, 2015, 08:47:22 AM
Huge volume on bitfinex at the last "dump" but not much price action. I would say it is kinda bullish.

I think we need an answer to what happened first, at finex yesterday.



1781. Post 11309557 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: UnholyTrinity on May 07, 2015, 09:27:15 AM
Huge volume on bitfinex at the last "dump" but not much price action. I would say it is kinda bullish.

I think we need an answer to what happened first, at finex yesterday.

"The issue has been fixed. We're looking into exactly what happened now and I'll be sure to post a detailed explanation in the future"

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/353yu8/bitfinex_having_serious_lag_issues_be_very/cr12ouy

[NLC Stuff that almost makes sense, not like blimmin Stolfi!]


Thx NLC! You're a stand-up guy!



1782. Post 11310262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: minerpumpkin on May 07, 2015, 11:09:19 AM
Chartbuddy telling the story today. Look at that finex orderbook Smiley

Edit: back over 230. Off to the gym.

Yeah that order book seems to be speaking volumes. Could either be people waiting for another crash-attempt, or the people shorting with that big bearwhale the other day, now desperate to get back into the game. I think a lot of people may have shorted at 6am UTC, as well when the price was about to break down again, in anticipation of an even bigger slide.

That is one big-ass wave. Even I am scared, and I'm hodling like a mofo!



1783. Post 11310923 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

A lot of people were forced out of their positions due to this glitch. That has to have repercussions of some kind. We might just as well see another jan 13-14 crash. But idk, I'm lubed up both at the front and the back atm, hoping to get lucky.



1784. Post 11311036 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: minerpumpkin on May 07, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
What about the theories that the event last night was only foiled by Finex's trade/margin-engine malfunctioning!? Do you buy that rumour or can we safely assume that support simply held and the bears just plain failed to crash the market?

I have not been following that issue on Reddit close enough to comment. Watching the events unfold last night it just looked like selling/shorting into solid support. What specifically are people saying happened?



I can't find the exact discussions or theories on reddit at the moment, but even though I feel guilty linking this site, look at the second paragraph: http://shitco.in/2015/05/07/bitfinex-appears-to-have-crossed-streams-btc-crash-on-hold/. I know, take this with a HUGE grain of salt, but it's always worth to consider all the sides there are to a story. The exact theory for this incident is still missing, though!

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/353yu8/bitfinex_having_serious_lag_issues_be_very/cr12ouy



1785. Post 11311162 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 07, 2015, 01:27:49 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/353yu8/bitfinex_having_serious_lag_issues_be_very/

zanetackett has posted from Bitfinex:
"Hey everyone,

The issue has been fixed. We're looking into exactly what happened now and I'll be sure to post a detailed explanation in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me with any problems that this may have caused you and I'll try to get it fixed asap. Sorry for the inconvenience."

.......
"We know what the problem was; while integrating Alphapoint our margin check system was disabled for a period of time. Now we need to get the exact details of why this happened."

"Why would people want to buy shares in a fund when they can just send their money to Bitstamp or Bitfinex?"

"Siiiiir, I know, I know, pick meeeee!"



1786. Post 11311278 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 07, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/353yu8/bitfinex_having_serious_lag_issues_be_very/

zanetackett has posted from Bitfinex:
"Hey everyone,

The issue has been fixed. We're looking into exactly what happened now and I'll be sure to post a detailed explanation in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me with any problems that this may have caused you and I'll try to get it fixed asap. Sorry for the inconvenience."

.......
"We know what the problem was; while integrating Alphapoint our margin check system was disabled for a period of time. Now we need to get the exact details of why this happened."

what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.
very good.

Yeah, like Stephen Hawking. Fit as a fiddle.



1787. Post 11311445 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 07, 2015, 01:54:33 PM
I just scanned the reddit threads. Interested to me that most of the complaints are from people with low volume accounts. (5-6 BTC) I guess it makes sense that the big players would not be posting on Reddit.



They would be more prone to going bankrupt from the error than a larger holder.

It appears that the BTC and USD streams crossed.

If I hold 5,000 BTC, my position will be affected less if my 0.23 BTC buy for $234.99 changes to a 234.99 BTC buy at $0.23.

The large stakeholders would not be bankrupted, but would serve as 'go fully long/short at current prices'.
They'd know an issue occurred, and be able to have it cleaned up without it totally stopping their trading in the interim.
Small stakeholders may have gone from a 0.4 BTC account, to owing $17,000.

Their wheel will squeak more.

Crossed streams?!?! That sounds like the first thing you make sure never happens.

These exchanges are like sausages. The more you know about them, the less you like them.

Ok, I think I'm done ranting.



1788. Post 11311681 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 07, 2015, 02:13:33 PM
I just scanned the reddit threads. Interested to me that most of the complaints are from people with low volume accounts. (5-6 BTC) I guess it makes sense that the big players would not be posting on Reddit.



They would be more prone to going bankrupt from the error than a larger holder.

It appears that the BTC and USD streams crossed.

If I hold 5,000 BTC, my position will be affected less if my 0.23 BTC buy for $234.99 changes to a 234.99 BTC buy at $0.23.

The large stakeholders would not be bankrupted, but would serve as 'go fully long/short at current prices'.
They'd know an issue occurred, and be able to have it cleaned up without it totally stopping their trading in the interim.
Small stakeholders may have gone from a 0.4 BTC account, to owing $17,000.

Their wheel will squeak more.

Crossed streams?!?! That sounds like the first thing you make sure never happens.

These exchanges are like sausages. The more you know about them, the less you like them.

Ok, I think I'm done ranting.

They should have done better testing.
This is purely speculating based on my time as a Software Engineer, and the kinds of problems that typically happen in these scenarios.

We know they have been integrating behind the scenes with the more scalable alphapoint engine.
They have communicated in the past that they were going to use both streams for awhile as an audit of sorts, and then cross over to the new platform.

Along with scalability, another listed reason was the robustness, quality of the replaced code.

But you still need to port a legacy system to a new one.
That requires new, translation code.

I am guessing an easily-overlooked copy error occurred, nested within a conditional statement only triggered by whatever obscure market event initiated it.

Or, they had just completed an incomplete set of tests, threw new code to live, and chaos immediately ensued because their test set did not include the case that the market data had.

Most of the time in retrospective (when it IS this kind of error), the culprit is one of two things:
-Failing to plan for an impossible event that is very, very possible.
-Penny-wise-pound-foolish lazy variable naming in 'temporary' or 'boilerplate' code.  i.e. you need to copy btc (a) and usd (b) values from stream1 to stream2.
So someone writes the 'temporary' code
s1.a = s2.a
s1.b = s2.b
and above they assigned A and B correctly (but poorly named) for one stream, and the opposite for the other, not caught by our first little conscious filter, because with names like A and B the cognitive dissonance never occurs when writing the assignment.

TL;DR - I'm hopeful this is an unfortunate but necessary risk that is occasionally realized when migrating legacy systems to new and improved systems.  Improved validation and testing practices will hopefully be applied and communicated outwardly as a result of this error.

To be fair, this kind of stuff happens all the time in the regular banking system. But Bitcoin can ill afford  it.



1789. Post 11313197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 07, 2015, 05:14:11 PM


That would be a bit painful and might help explain the healthy bidside too
I'd also be pretty pissed at BFX if they spoofed me into a short last night Cheesy

Shorting at this point it time seems excessively risky, like picking up nickles in front of a train. BFX is very influential and may even lead this market, but it doesn't control it. They had a glitch related to an UPGRADE. They are upgrading.

I think you are missing my point. Yes, glitch was related to an upgrade - shit happens. Other shit that happened is that a bunch of people almost certainly DID short the move on several markets, who likely would not have traded if the event did not occur. They are currently 'out of position' right now with shorts they don't really want, and are likely to add to the buying pressure in the next couple of days Wink

i don't think they quite realize they are "out of position" just yet, bitfinex has seen >1k more in shorts come in since i woke up, a few hours ago.

now at 30,995.46 BTC

its looking good,pretty sure

the next 24 hours are critical

I agree,




1790. Post 11313277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: sleger on May 07, 2015, 05:23:53 PM
Yep just noticed we are a hair off 31k shorts. Someone is going to get burned when this resolves Smiley

And leveraged longs don't matter, because ... ?

LALALALALALALALALALA!!!!





Cause bulls be stubborn and bears be twitchy.....seriously!



1791. Post 11313468 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: bad trader on May 07, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
It's alive!




Volume climbed to 1153



1792. Post 11313513 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: bad trader on May 07, 2015, 05:54:41 PM
how do you get that recent trades table?
http://quotes.freerealtime.com/dl/frt/M?IM=quotes&symbol=GBTC&type=Time%26Sales

Thx



1793. Post 11313925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Andre# on May 07, 2015, 06:01:21 PM
A lot of people were forced out of their positions due to this glitch. That has to have repercussions of some kind. We might just as well see another jan 13-14 crash. But idk, I'm lubed up both at the front and the back atm, hoping to get lucky.

"I'm lubed up both at the front and the back atm, hoping to get lucky" -- This created an image in my mind that I find hard to reconcile with the subject of this forum...  Cheesy

Most of 2014 I didn't bother with the front. 2015 is gonna be sweet.


Volume on GBTC is 2268


Quote from: aminorex on May 07, 2015, 06:33:06 PM
Monkey sees two more weeks down.  Monkey just changed his mind.  Nevermind the monkey.

I'm beginning to suspect your monkey is actually a monkey



1794. Post 11314142 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: empowering on May 07, 2015, 06:44:21 PM
What does itbit do that's different then coinbase?

No "blast off" gif?




1795. Post 11314184 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: empowering on May 07, 2015, 06:56:42 PM
What does itbit do that's different then coinbase?

No "blast off" gif?



Live long.......

.... and prosper.

Live short and eat shit!

CMMF!!! FTW!!!! HIGNFY!!!!



1796. Post 11314283 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: blacky90 on May 07, 2015, 07:04:19 PM
sub $200 still possible, dont fall for this trap!!!

Don't worry, we have a plan





1797. Post 11314376 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on May 07, 2015, 07:08:51 PM
No need to worry bears. Double digits right around the corner. Chinese wash volume, grumble, grumble. Where's Tarmi?



He be chillin. Waiting to short from $3500.



He's on a boat!



1798. Post 11314519 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on May 07, 2015, 07:28:05 PM
do you guys think $1k are still possible this year?

possible but unlikely, IMHO. We still have one more U.S. Marshals auction to go and if we get a major push into overbought conditions, we will be vulnerable to a bear counterattack.  Organic growth takes time and sentiment doesn't change on a dime. There will still be many bargains on the road to recovery.

Bitcoin isn't really big on organic growth though.




1799. Post 11314828 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Norway on May 07, 2015, 08:03:23 PM
GBTC
ItBit

Up next......


NY Bitlicense
Gemini Exchange
COIN ETF
Next summers halving
Gradual mainstream adoption

Don't forget the ETN on Nasdaq Stockholm in 11 days  Wink

By KnC fraudsters. I'd rather forget.



1800. Post 11316176 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on May 07, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
$ 2 4 0 COMING UP

I have wasted my life
Somehow newbies are always eager to write such statements. Almost every single "bitcoin is dead" post on this forum comes from a new account.
The chances of it being a newbie are slim in the extreme. It's the same old psycho dullard droning away. It is such a dead cert I pretty much auto ignore any newbie in this section without bothering to read. Sorry real newbies.
I kinda get a kick out of how many sox are opened and am mesmerized by the sheer derangement it must take to be such a rabid troll of any forum out there. I've been on certain forums for many years and I've never seen one like this. Can anyone comprehend what this person's life looks like in years to come...



1801. Post 11318331 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on May 08, 2015, 06:03:34 AM
This is what goes passes for capitulation for me. I'm out of fiat. out of leverage. Might lose everything in a margin call. Pawn shops are closed and I just bet the mortgage money. I'm just a spectator now. Good luck, Gentleman. I did everything I could.



how did I get here?

Who reads old stuff like this? What was the price back then? Good think I got a few paychecks since then.


In Bitcoin, running out of cash is like farting in church. Poverty is a sin.



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1803. Post 11323795 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Dump3r on May 08, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
I feel bad that the bears just disappear when bitcoin moves up 20 dollars.

I haven't seen tarmi or NHJT since they promised us double digit coins!

But you dont refer to me, not? My hearth always goes out to you, but at the moment Im temporaly banned for posting fucking animals here - mods told me it were spam and off-topic. You believe it?! Spam and off-topic in the Wall Observer!!

For now, the Dump3er is long, but will dump (WITH STYLE) very soon when this small correction has finished and we return our travel to the double digits!

Cheers!


You have got to be kidding me. Dump3r? Long? Pigs? Fly?

If that's not worth a CCMF, I don't know what is.




1804. Post 11323904 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Dump3r on May 08, 2015, 07:02:46 PM
I feel bad that the bears just disappear when bitcoin moves up 20 dollars.

I haven't seen tarmi or NHJT since they promised us double digit coins!

But you dont refer to me, not? My hearth always goes out to you, but at the moment Im temporaly banned for posting fucking animals here - mods told me it were spam and off-topic. You believe it?! Spam and off-topic in the Wall Observer!!

For now, the Dump3er is long, but will dump (WITH STYLE) very soon when this small correction has finished and we return our travel to the double digits!

Cheers!


You have got to be kidding me. Dump3r? Long? Pigs? Fly?

If that's not worth a CCMF, I don't know what is.


Dude, please. Corrections are always good to make extra money. I went at least a docens times long since the collaps from the ath...

...so please pack in the CCMFs.




1805. Post 11324362 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: bassclef on May 08, 2015, 07:26:43 PM
can't he just replace with a cheaper offer?

Yeah that'd be the obvious thing to do. TBH the Finex interface when managing loans is confusing so that gives you an idea of who is shorting: noobs.

So, assuming we just had a double bottom of around ~$215ish; could we hit that resistance level again for a triple bottom? Is that realistic at all?  I just can't see us breaking out above $260 until the bit-license stuff comes out. Even if we start getting momentum; I think marketmakers could just use the new licensing standards to either push price down or push it up depending their own personal timeline concerning market manipulation. Have I just had my hopes of a new trend crushed to many time? I'm thinking $350 ~ July? W/ lots of stuff having been onramped by then (gemini,winki,etc,etc...)? But for now I just see sideways until June at least and just staying between 200-300 channel trend. Thoughts?

EW guys are calling a top at $260 then a retest of range lows. Watch us blow past it just to prove them wrong. We might get a pullback there (profit taking, new shorts) but if we stabilize and go above they'll revise their counts.

If you have a short open you should have closed $10 ago. Hoping the market comes back to you is not a strategy, it is gambling.

.... am I the only one whose mind is boggled by their ability to ignore what they said two days ago and still claim that what they are doing makes sense? It's like a populist party. Of course they were right all along. They have called every possible movement there is.



1806. Post 11324705 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: bassclef on May 08, 2015, 08:22:33 PM
.... am I the only one whose mind is boggled by their ability to ignore what they said two days ago and still claim that what they are doing makes sense? It's like a populist party. Of course they were right all along. They have called every possible movement there is.

Waves on a chart tend to play themselves out in patterns (impulse, corrective) and adhere to fibonacci levels as EW dictates, but they are driven more by volume, trader psychology and supply/demand than by a predetermined set of rules. EW tries to quantify this behavior but I find it best to keep an eye on their possibilities while analyzing volume and trends and where they're likely to begin and end.

It's just one of many tools to use. Plenty of methods will help reduce risk and point one in a direction of high probability trades. At the end of the day though, good trading comes down to money management than anything else.

But yeah, on a basic level it's mind-boggling to sift through the plethora of EW charts. One of them has to be close, therefore EW works. This reasoning can suck in newbs IMO and give them a false sense of security.

I guess. It's just that every time I see this flock of seagulls turn on a dime I start thinking of Thomas Kuhns "paradigm shifts" and the structure of science. These guys seems to be stuck in a paradigm that's in a heap of trouble. However it's not exactly natural science, so Kuhn doesn't apply.



1807. Post 11324725 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Dump3r on May 08, 2015, 08:31:46 PM
.... am I the only one whose mind is boggled by their ability to ignore what they said two days ago and still claim that what they are doing makes sense? It's like a populist party. Of course they were right all along. They have called every possible movement there is.

Waves on a chart tend to play themselves out in patterns (impulse, corrective) and adhere to fibonacci levels as EW dictates, but they are driven more by volume, trader psychology and supply/demand than by a predetermined set of rules. EW tries to quantify this behavior but I find it best to keep an eye on their possibilities while analyzing volume and trends and where they're likely to begin and end.

It's just one of many tools to use. Plenty of methods will help reduce risk and point one in a direction of high probability trades. At the end of the day though, good trading comes down to money management than anything else.

But yeah, on a basic level it's mind-boggling to sift through the plethora of EW charts. One of them has to be close, therefore EW works. This reasoning can suck in newbs IMO and give them a false sense of security.

Our pro-trader,basscleff. Mumbles about trading all days, and is nearly always wrong. Why don't you join the Trading game, where you can show your godlike skills to all the EW-noobs!?  Roll Eyes

He contributes. Imagine if you could use that massive brain of yours to do the same.



1808. Post 11325162 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Dump3r on May 08, 2015, 09:23:01 PM
Come on guys don't kick a man whilst he's down Cheesy

Price is going up (meanwhile), so no need to complain  Wink

No, just comment on every fucking post in some weird attempt to regain control


Quote from: Dump3r on May 08, 2015, 08:54:08 PM
He contributes. Imagine if you could use that massive brain of yours to do the same.

By contributing you mean that he toots his own horn 15 times day. As a troll it's no problem to contribute in the same manner, often I do - even in a so exaggerated way that people (with an iq above 50) can recognize some irony.

Yeah, you're real big on irony



1809. Post 11327922 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Dump?



1810. Post 11328007 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 09, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
Dump?

Keep shitting up the thread with outrageous comments like that and yer on a fasttrack to The List, my friend! Angry

J/k Wink

BMB, you forgot to use a sock. We can see you.



1811. Post 11328014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

That was a stupid place to dump. They are going to get so badly burnt.



1812. Post 11328065 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 09, 2015, 08:52:07 AM
Dump?

Keep shitting up the thread with outrageous comments like that and yer on a fasttrack to The List, my friend! Angry

J/k Wink

BMB, you forgot to use a sock. We can see you.

I figure I'm being ignored by most everybody here already. I can pretty much say whatever I want now.

Horse pants sunshine baseball. See!

I think there is a baseball in there somewhere



Yeah, it's pretty bad



1813. Post 11328257 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on May 09, 2015, 09:27:49 AM
I wouldn't be overly shocked to see it correct back into the $230's before the $250's again.

Hell of a good past few days!

OKcoin futures trading a few dollars over market  :o

There was our $230's dip.

I think we break through $250 next push.

?????

Ok, 239.6 on BTC-E.

Cutting it close. The best way to cut it.



1814. Post 11328866 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on May 09, 2015, 11:02:36 AM
This really rustles my jimmies. Someone tell me why we need BTC-E again?  Undecided

Everyone needs a sketchy Russian exchange for one reason or the other.

Bitcoin needs russians. Lots of them.



1815. Post 11331049 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: HI-TEC99 on May 09, 2015, 03:21:23 PM


Shaking out weak hands ....

Been a while since I saw this old chessnut, reminds me how much I miss Shroomskit who'd probably say something along the lines of: "yeah right, we've been shaking out the weak hands for 14 months now".

But with a lot more venom.

Oh, is Shroomy really gone for good? I just realized that I kind of miss him. He was a rare example of the bull-turning-bear-turning-bull-turning-bear-turning-2-btc-into-1-btc-turning-bear-turning-bull breed.

Did he get banned or decide to stop posting? He was here for ages so there must be some reason he stopped posting. This thread seems much quieter than it used to without him.


Quote from: ShroomsKit on January 15, 2015, 01:05:48 AM
Well, that was the bottom. I picked up a shitload of super cheap coins. Thanks to you idiots selling at the very bottom.
Thanks for playing.


or...

Quote from: ShroomsKit on January 29, 2015, 05:00:59 PM

This account has been abused enough. I'm gonna change the pass so the others can't access it anymore and log out.

I might be back on my real username. Who knows. Bye.



1816. Post 11333791 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

People are idiots. That's the only thing holding us back. We went to $1000+ two years ago, when Bitcoin was wobbling on a knifes edge and the leading star was a retarded frenchman who moved to Tokyo just to make the abbreviation of his stupid exchange make sense. Now, there is a whole industry backing it up. Every bank, insurance company, and financial institution are looking at ways to implement Bitcoin or blockchain technology and somehow a market cap of roughly a couple of billions is thought to be reasonable. If this doesn't go sky high rather immediately I will lose all faith in humanity. Maybe we should send some coins to Elon Musk. WS likes to pump his shit into orbit.



1817. Post 11334185 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: kodtycoon on May 10, 2015, 12:30:29 AM

Anyone know what I am missing?

$160?

That is mean!

I lol'd though.



1818. Post 11338850 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

At some point in the not so distant future these weekend shenanigans are going to be less important. The big money is going to flow almost exclusively during weekdays. I can't wait.



1819. Post 11340323 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on May 10, 2015, 06:47:40 PM
got in with 370 btc last week at 230, this week we should be going over 250s Tongue , btc isnt pumping , its undervalued and smart money is buying it up Cool
Its not undervalued. Its rightly valued atm.  Don't expect the price to move upward in the coming 2-3 months, just hope that the dumpers wont dominate the market again.

sorry bro, but i fully expect the price to move upward in the coming 2-3months, we are at a very crucial period, http://www.coindesk.com/swedens-nasdaq-exchange-approves-bitcoin-based-etn/   is one of many reasons. With regulation so near they are stocking up. Once regulated the biggest changes will be in exchanges and coin storage as both will now be fully insured against theft etc. Exchanges will have to comply with the new rules which will mean full id of all users, in return for giving the id you will feel safe knowing your coins are insured. Banks will offer services based on btc and will make it easier and safer for the avergae joe to buy/hold and trade as long as tax is paid.

http://www.coindesk.com/nasdaq-bitcoin-marketplace-noble/   heres another

Most of the coins flowing into XBT Providers ETN will be from KnC Miners stash. This is just a way for KnC to get a pretty penny for their mined coins. I wouldn't expect this to move the market.



1820. Post 11340541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 10, 2015, 07:12:20 PM
got in with 370 btc last week at 230, this week we should be going over 250s Tongue , btc isnt pumping , its undervalued and smart money is buying it up Cool
Its not undervalued. Its rightly valued atm.  Don't expect the price to move upward in the coming 2-3 months, just hope that the dumpers wont dominate the market again.

sorry bro, but i fully expect the price to move upward in the coming 2-3months, we are at a very crucial period, http://www.coindesk.com/swedens-nasdaq-exchange-approves-bitcoin-based-etn/   is one of many reasons. With regulation so near they are stocking up. Once regulated the biggest changes will be in exchanges and coin storage as both will now be fully insured against theft etc. Exchanges will have to comply with the new rules which will mean full id of all users, in return for giving the id you will feel safe knowing your coins are insured. Banks will offer services based on btc and will make it easier and safer for the avergae joe to buy/hold and trade as long as tax is paid.

http://www.coindesk.com/nasdaq-bitcoin-marketplace-noble/   heres another

Most of the coins flowing into XBT Providers ETN will be from KnC Miners stash. This is just a way for KnC to get a pretty penny for their mined coins. I wouldn't expect this to move the market.

Even so... if XBT Provider gets 10mil€ (still small number) in first month this could turn around the whole market. I doubt KNC will simply sell all their coins sub 300$. KNC will probably help them buying on OTC markets.

Everyone from EU will be able to buy XBT shares... So there could be some huge money flow into it.

Idk. As I understand there is not much securing these ETNs other than the trust you might have in the company holding the assets, and that's a KnC company. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. But I hope you are right.

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on May 10, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
xbt is just one of many new ventures we will be seeing, also winkles and others working hard to make btc mainstream. we went to $1000 with just silk rd, gox and a few other small fish. Now we have microsoft,dell,virgin,goldman s, nasdaq and much much more, we are defo going up all these guys are waiting for is regulation as its them that have pressed for it most.

Also miners....btc reward halfs in around 12-15 months.

Now you're talking! I agree wholeheartedly!



1821. Post 11340563 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 10, 2015, 07:38:22 PM
Had a dream last night that the price was $252, I was sort of disappointed because I sold a few coins on bitquick and was ready to buy back in on another dip.

That is a surprisingly modest dream coming from you.



1822. Post 11341944 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on May 10, 2015, 11:29:45 PM
Does anyone seriously think that the people who invested hundreds of millions into the the infrastructure are not going to buy any coin also? there are over 12,000,000 millionaires (USD) in the world. If they decided to buy an average of one bitcoin each, there would barely be enough to go around.  A bitcoin costs about ~ $240,  one four thousandth of a million dollars or 0.00025%.  

Even if they are almost certain bitcoin will fail, that's an extremely cheap insurance policy against them being wrong.

There are seven and a half billion people in the world. If one person in 577,000 bought in average of one bitcoin each, there would barely be enough to go around.  


Bitcoins are scarce. They are precious. In a world with capital controls, trade sanctions, negative interest rates and confiscatory government policies, it is the currency with almost zero storage and transfer fees.  It's resistant to theft, forfeiture, clawbacks, seizure, and debasement. It is the future and bears are on the wrong side of history.

And if flies were monkeys we would all be covered in monkey poo.



1823. Post 11345433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on May 11, 2015, 11:36:19 AM
I'm getting some contradicting reads on the market. Feeling undecided. Undecided






1824. Post 11346787 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

GBTC trading at $56-57. Volume 550 after an hour and a bit of trading.



1825. Post 11348869 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

dididadadoodoodadadididadadoodoodada Fatmaaan!!!!


I've got this tingling feeling in my bubble bone




1826. Post 11353671 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: madmat on May 12, 2015, 09:03:53 AM
Going to bed soon but I doubt this thread will have more than two pages having gone by prior to me awaken later on. What a disgrace this market is becoming and hence this thread's jokeular status atm. Grin
Because nothing is happening. Two weekly doji in a row.



Does the word "launchpad" come to mind?
It does, indeed. Along with two possible directions of the launch Smiley

Rockets are launched in direction of the sky. Always!




1827. Post 11354740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: dakota neat on May 12, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
Bitcoin is so fucked up 2011. Better go for Dodge giving you nice +30% daily return.

But Dodge is Fiat now.



1828. Post 11355056 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

@~~~€====3


Boooriiiing



1829. Post 11356268 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: inca on May 12, 2015, 02:39:11 PM
Sea of good news. Price remains stagnant. Down to 21.6k shorts on Bitfinex.

I would like to see some upwards price movement.

Is a big player capping the price and slowly closing a huge short position? What comes next?* Serious question..

*Getting tempted to buy another fifty coins, in a batch instead of dca'ing every few days..

Volume isn't too bad considering zero movement. But I would prefer an $80 rise  on 10x volume.



1830. Post 11356743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Wings1987 on May 12, 2015, 03:42:16 PM
Who is afraid of the big scary ask walls. Answer no one.

How about who is excited for the bid side shrinking? Answer, meeeeeeee Cheesy

Not seeing what you are seeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADj-Ru3JQp0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxO3MvfkKp4



1831. Post 11357441 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Malin Keshar on May 12, 2015, 05:13:57 PM
too boring.

need some action


anything




1832. Post 11357949 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on May 12, 2015, 05:57:23 PM

not enough  Grin

Better?



1833. Post 11358134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on May 12, 2015, 06:34:39 PM
This SQUEEZE is beautiful  Cool

Launch in 10..

What squeeze?
(bb)
Every timeframe, it's majestic

a man can dream... now WAKE UP!

my bottocks are smooth my mind is clear, buy bitcoin!

Mine too. It's all that lube from 2014.



1834. Post 11358221 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

.............. the buzzcocks.





1835. Post 11358470 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: gentlemand on May 12, 2015, 07:10:07 PM
He may be a bullet-headed droner on of special opinions, but there's no denying the dude has a little something going on style wise.

He sure does



http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/hollywood/paul-reubens



1836. Post 11358609 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: damiano on May 12, 2015, 07:18:13 PM
Whats new fellas?
We're waiting for you to make your move. Get some action going.



1837. Post 11358753 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Looks like we're not the only ones who are bored.




1838. Post 11358839 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.14h):

Quote from: damiano on May 12, 2015, 07:58:11 PM
Whats new fellas?
We're waiting for you to make your move. Get some action going.

No moves on my part right now.  Holding what I have for the time being (no long or short) concentrating more on forex atm. 




1839. Post 11361760 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):




1840. Post 11362161 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

More concrete 21 news. A bit of a mixed bag, but they got a lot of funding.

http://www.coindesk.com/21-intel-bitcoin-mining-strategy/



1841. Post 11363957 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Feri22 on May 13, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
More concrete 21 news. A bit of a mixed bag, but they got a lot of funding.

http://www.coindesk.com/21-intel-bitcoin-mining-strategy/

Hmm, I am a bit skeptical on the 21 Inc thing. That article just screamed of vaporware. A whole lot of ideas of what can be done with Bitcoin just like a bunch of people posting ideas on here.

Great ideas and all...but it sounds like marketing pitches to VCs that could easily just be cashed out and the company closed while the owners take the money and retire.


It would be like me going to a VC saying "Bitcoin can be used for voting, microtransactions, be your own bank, crowdfunding...now give me money and be part of this exciting company of the future! What have I done to make any of this happen? ... The blockchain!".

Unfortunately, i think you are right...

It sounds to me like they are going to install hw trojans into devices whose users might not understand that they are using extra electricity to get some fairly expensive bitcoins. And that is if they know what a bitcoin is. A sort of legitimate botnet.



1842. Post 11364742 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: oda.krell on May 13, 2015, 12:17:05 PM

What worries me the most is that for 95% of all the bitcoin startups, VCs are just throwing huge sums of $$$ at them, but they are all basically creating "solutions looking for problems" instead of solving real needs.  Gee, where have I seen and lived through that before?  Oh yes, the DotComBomb of 2000.  Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.


Indeed. But there were a few trillion dollars to be made before it all went tits up and then things really got rolling after the wreckage had been cleared. I hope it doesn't pan out that way but it's kind of a natural cycle.

Believe it or not, one of the companies that I'm most worried about is Coinbase.  

For example, go look at their employee roster page at the bottom.
https://www.coinbase.com/about

In in the past 2 years, I have literally watched that page grow from about 5 employees to what you see now on that page.  And they just keep adding more employees.  At the rate they are going, unless something drastically changes I don't think that they are going to have a business model that will support all of that headcount and still make a profit.

Not wrong, but not the full picture either:

a) true, it might quite well go down in flames, and that early VC capital will be lost like tears in the rain;

b) then again, it's a (controlled) gamble on their side, similar to early dotcom seed/investments: if it pays off, it'll pay off rather royally, if not, it's a (comparably) minor hit to their total holdings. Which brings me to:

c) on a different scale, through a different aspect of the market, that's similar to the "bet" we're making here as well: most who hold some long-term BTC position do so because of the chance (by his/her best judgement) that there's a big unrealized economical potential for the Blockchain (emphasis on the Blockchain), which (again, by his/her best judgement) in turn would likely lead to a major appreciation of market value per token.

The flip side of this bet just as the one by VC: it might not work out that way - alternative blockchains might take the lead, public and business interest might stay comparably small (i.e. "solutions looking for problems" turns out to be true and stay true), etc.

Some people here conveniently ignore the latter point, only going on about the limitless potential. Others pretend there is no potential, only risk, and eventually: doom. Personally, I think it's simply too early to draw either conclusion, 6 years since launch, and ~2 years since VC started pouring in for real.

But why won't the same people more consistently invest directly in BTC? It wouldn't take much for all those VC investors to prop up the currency/token such that their more indirect investments stands a much better chance of succeeding.



1843. Post 11364978 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: minerpumpkin on May 13, 2015, 01:17:53 PM
Yeah, Finex seems to lead today's rally! Good to see that happen for a change!

What rally? I can't see it. Am I going loony?




1844. Post 11365775 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: oda.krell on May 13, 2015, 01:51:33 PM
Not wrong, but not the full picture either:

a) true, it might quite well go down in flames, and that early VC capital will be lost like tears in the rain;

b) then again, it's a (controlled) gamble on their side, similar to early dotcom seed/investments: if it pays off, it'll pay off rather royally, if not, it's a (comparably) minor hit to their total holdings. Which brings me to:

c) on a different scale, through a different aspect of the market, that's similar to the "bet" we're making here as well: most who hold some long-term BTC position do so because of the chance (by his/her best judgement) that there's a big unrealized economical potential for the Blockchain (emphasis on the Blockchain), which (again, by his/her best judgement) in turn would likely lead to a major appreciation of market value per token.

The flip side of this bet just as the one by VC: it might not work out that way - alternative blockchains might take the lead, public and business interest might stay comparably small (i.e. "solutions looking for problems" turns out to be true and stay true), etc.

Some people here conveniently ignore the latter point, only going on about the limitless potential. Others pretend there is no potential, only risk, and eventually: doom. Personally, I think it's simply too early to draw either conclusion, 6 years since launch, and ~2 years since VC started pouring in for real.

But why won't the same people more consistently invest directly in BTC? It wouldn't take much for all those VC investors to prop up the currency/token such that their more indirect investments stands a much better chance of succeeding.

I would guess: because it's VC, not quasi-Forex gambling money. Also, because the market is rather illiquid. Paper profits are extremely far from actually realizable profits at current levels. Finally, they probably do hold some stake in the native tokens. So it's really asking "why won't they prop up price?". Only, why would they?

There is no function the Blockchain would suddenly & magically be able to perform just because total valuation is twice of what  it is now, at least not without public interest growing equally as well. Probably the only thing price affects right now is speculative interest, but I see it as largely unrelated to fundamental growth of the Bitcoin economy, as long as per coin price is high enough to make the network "secure enough" - which it is, despite the sometimes desperate seeming attempts of Sirer, Stolfi et al. to prove otherwise.

Why continue building your position if you're not also working on building the economy that eventually, hopefully, leads to an increase of valuation of position? From that point of view, it makes sense to me that any accumulation that might occur from the VC side would be rather marginal compared to current inflation... Let's say $50M of VC capital are flanked by the same amount of "accumulation effort". At ~$300 per coin, that would have soaked up around 50 days of block reward. So even if it would be on the program (which I doubt, they might be perfectly happy with their position built at vastly lower prices), it wouldn't single-handedly turn the tables on the greater market situation.

If the price has stopped collapsing I guess I shouldn't complain, but a lot of the companies that have seen investment the last couple of years (not all) have products that are sensitive to sudden and massive falls in price. Which is why I would have thought that some of the people who invested in the industry would want to invest in a stabilization fund to keep the prices from hitting the customers of the businesses they have invested in over the head. I know a lot of people think that this is against the free unregulated nature of Bitcoin, but if it is free and unregulated it shouldn't be a problem to do something like that as well.



1845. Post 11366460 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 13, 2015, 04:03:51 PM
I was listening to metric before it was cool, i think we are all trend setters, let's buy more coins before everyone else does  Grin

I think you're still ahead on that one, unless you mean "canadian cool".



1846. Post 11366808 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Richy_T on May 13, 2015, 04:46:25 PM
If the price has stopped collapsing I guess I shouldn't complain, but a lot of the companies that have seen investment the last couple of years (not all) have products that are sensitive to sudden and massive falls in price. Which is why I would have thought that some of the people who invested in the industry would want to invest in a stabilization fund to keep the prices from hitting the customers of the businesses they have invested in over the head. I know a lot of people think that this is against the free unregulated nature of Bitcoin, but if it is free and unregulated it shouldn't be a problem to do something like that as well.


Ask Norman Lamont about trying to stabilize a currency...

Or are you actually George Soros?

No, of course not. Don't be silly. Why would I want to short a rich boy fund out of its money?



1847. Post 11367334 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Trading taking off on GBTC. 25BTC.



1848. Post 11367548 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Specular on May 13, 2015, 06:20:22 PM
Trading taking off on GBTC. 25BTC.


lol

This GBTC thing has been interesting/funny to watch. People buying an illiquid BTC proxy at 2x the underlying value...



Kind of fun to think that if just about anyone on this forum dumps their load they're gonna beat the GBTC trading volume.




1849. Post 11367964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: podyx on May 13, 2015, 07:07:24 PM
Trading taking off on GBTC. 25BTC.

img]http://i.imgur.com/EKcqIqc.gif[/img]

lol

This GBTC thing has been interesting/funny to watch. People buying an illiquid BTC proxy at 2x the underlying value...



I think the OTC market has a rather high price too, wouldn't surprise me if it's averaging around $500-$600 at this moment.

There IS a genuine demand for bitcoin, you better believe it.

It's just gonna take a while for all the infrastructure and technological improvements to get in place.



1850. Post 11368222 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on May 13, 2015, 07:37:05 PM
250 before friday, i hope in june 300+

no way

Just lean back and watch the bull run, Bitcoin style.

I jinxed it, we're going down



1851. Post 11370765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

And then... no volume.


Quote from: abercrombie on May 14, 2015, 12:29:23 AM
is crypto done??  ??




1852. Post 11370961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Ok, I see.




1853. Post 11372235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: itod on May 14, 2015, 07:29:06 AM
WoW Shocked quite a wild drop, unfortunately for me it was a middle of a night Angry

Don't worry, there will be plenty of chances to catch the next ones.

itod I tah a puddy tath



1854. Post 11372558 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Dump3er on May 14, 2015, 08:48:21 AM
Huge market sells = manipulation, huge market buys = legit rally mode.

High volume pushing price down = so many coins to push the price 5,00$ down, that's bullish!
High volume pumping the price up = such demand, that's bullish!

Furthermore there only exists accumulation, have you ever seen any distribution with Bitcoin?!

*sigh*

Cheer up!

You just had a win!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUmE-tne5U



1855. Post 11372762 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Dump3er on May 14, 2015, 09:29:53 AM
Huge market sells = manipulation, huge market buys = legit rally mode.

High volume pushing price down = so many coins to push the price 5,00$ down, that's bullish!
High volume pumping the price up = such demand, that's bullish!

Furthermore there only exists accumulation, have you ever seen any distribution with Bitcoin?!

*sigh*
You forgot:

A shit lot of longs are opened = whales are accumulating, bullish!
A few shorts are opened = squeeze incoming!!! These coins have to be bought back! Bullish!


 Cheesy

Oh, I forgot a lot of other examples, for this weird one-side logic!

In one thing you can trust: The wall observer logic never changes!

And

Down: Snarky sarcasm and taunting
Sideways: Snarky sarcasm and taunting
Up: silence

And you wonder why people wants the price to go up.

Wasn't it you who claimed within the last leg up, that I keep responding in an inflationary way to each comment to smash the bullish sentiment of all the 0.5 BTC hodlers down and resume the downtrend?

Must you cheerleaders contradict yourself with each statement?

It's like talking with a crazy, fluttering woman!



I think we were going sideways, but you seemed a bit desperate. But you might just have been bored. I decided to remove the post you quoted because I realized you don't really represent bears in any way and I wouldn't want any proper bears to get caught in the crossfire.



1856. Post 11372843 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Dump3er on May 14, 2015, 09:41:24 AM
I think we were going sideways, but you seemed a bit desperate. But you might just have been bored.

Didn't I already tell you that I'm long (meanwhile)? You remember, you launched CCMFS for my "bullishness"?

So what's you point?  Cheesy

Quote from: Fatman3001 on May 14, 2015, 09:35:03 AM
... I realized you don't really represent bears in any way and I wouldn't want any proper bears to get caught in the crossfire.

Me slow...

You "is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3]".

Admittedly, not always easy to spot in this thread.



1857. Post 11372933 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Dump3er on May 14, 2015, 10:00:49 AM
I think we were going sideways, but you seemed a bit desperate. But you might just have been bored.

Didn't I already tell you that I'm long (meanwhile)? You remember, you launched CCMFS for my "bullishness"?

So what's you point?  Cheesy

... I realized you don't really represent bears in any way and I wouldn't want any proper bears to get caught in the crossfire.

Me slow...

You "is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3]".

Admittedly, not always easy to spot in this thread.

When there's nothing more left the troll-argument always works! No problem, as long time ago I started to call myself a troll!

That's a point I forgot: Bullish statements, trains, rockets, bottoms are contributing while the opposite is trolling  Cheesy

You see! You're getting it! Join the party, man!



1858. Post 11372996 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Dump3er on May 14, 2015, 10:10:07 AM

You see! You're getting it! Join the party, man!

Don't you see, I already did?  Cheesy

Cmon dude, without you bulls I really would be bored.

<3 and peace (meanwhile)



1859. Post 11378951 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

I see Bitcoin sneezed while I was gone. That's a weird lookin movement.



1860. Post 11380990 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: aztecminer on May 14, 2015, 03:43:36 PM



hey everyone.. how is bitcoinland going ?? I been busy releasing my latest book.

i heard about ripple. That is ridiculous how the government stealing from everyone like that. bankrupt usa has to confiscate and steal to service the loans. everyone is talking about it. i talk to people about how money institutions have to report suspicious activity or be fined. i get reported at least twice a month for removing money from the bank. they have not swat raided me yet. the other day i paid cash for some groceries and i asked the lady if she needed take a picture of me and get my ss#, dl#, my address, my moms address, and stuff since i was being suspicious by paying in cash. ridiculous. they are outlawing cash while using suspicious money laundering to cover their stealing money grabs like they did to ripple.

btw... i just learned today that i am black ops. that what homeboy said on my facebook. i really need to step up my game then if i am black ops. I might need buy some more bitcoins soon.

"The book presents 21 Polestar Sciences Theories that range from astronomy, astrophysics, particle physics, quantum physics, string theory, M-brane theory, and more. In depth investigation of the solar system and a closer look at Mars and the gas giants. The book reveals the destiny or fate of the human race in the future intergalactic war with the Andromeda's."

Hmmmm... ok, interesting, hmmm, ahh, ok, ok, exciting, WTF?!?!

Congratulations with your new book aztec!



1861. Post 11382030 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):


This bores me.

Bring me entertainment!





Cookie....



1862. Post 11382234 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 15, 2015, 09:59:33 AM

It's only psychological but going & staying below 240 is kind of demoralising.


No, its not psychological. You are not dreaming. You are demoralised.

And if you don't perk up soon, we shall have to continue beating you.

The original statement is a tautology.

Your statement is paradoxical.




1863. Post 11382714 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 15, 2015, 10:18:42 AM

The original statement is a tautology.

Your statement is paradoxical.



*(shamefully googles 'tautology')   Embarrassed

" a self-reinforcing pretense of significant truth"

Can we just call this entire thread the tautology thread?    Grin


Considering the amount of rocket and train gifs/pics vs price movement the last year, I would think it falls within the paradox category.



1864. Post 11383405 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Bitcoiner2015 on May 15, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
it went up lots before, therefore it must go up lots again.
Perfect logic!

Or, Bitcoin has only recently made itself accessible and relevant to society as a whole, which should eventually lead to higher demand than previously seen.



1865. Post 11383713 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Stevenirving on May 15, 2015, 01:26:09 PM
Alright friends, I have 8000$ to play with in trading on BFX today. Should I open a long right now to close at 250 by monday?
Im thinking we may drop to ~232 before we rebound to either 250 or at the very least back in the high 240s.
Debating if I should short right now.
Its always a beautiful day in bitcoinland   Cheesy

Why don't you just buy and hold for few years? It's boring but if fun is main factor for your investing strategy, maybe you can play casino - that is even more fun...
I have coins stashed for the long term already, but those coins are not paying my bills right now. I am trying to make a living trading and the only way to do that on a daily basis is to buy and sell every day. A casino is not more fun. At a casino you loose money. Any time I am profiting I am enjoying myself.
I do play a lot of poker on Betcoin.Ag though

Well, asking people in the wo thread is the wrong way to do it. Practice with a fictious sum first and develop a strategy. Preferably one that works. There should be some threads both here and at other trading forums about strategies and risk management.



1866. Post 11384466 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

@asabutton

Is that Dr. Jeffrey Geiger from Chicago Hope?

And I thought Mark Harmon had it bad with that NCIS crap.



1867. Post 11384512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Stevenirving on May 15, 2015, 03:00:17 PM
I am sitting next to my grandmother. No joke.
When that popped up I slammed my laptop closed.

I was showing her how I trade Bitcoin and good places I find information


BAAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Now you have to explain Lambie to her.



1868. Post 11384542 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on May 15, 2015, 03:01:10 PM
Can this asshole who keeps posting porn be IP blocked please ?

Who does this need escalating to ?

I would report this myself but clicking Ignore takes away the report button.

Some of us have jobs and are at WORK.... dick.

There are plenty of ways of circumventing that.



1869. Post 11384603 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on May 15, 2015, 03:06:31 PM
This could be the last time we can buy sub $240  Cry

I think we can see sub $240 and worse if we don't gain some significant ground before the summer sets in.



1870. Post 11384621 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: TakeTheSkyRoad on May 15, 2015, 03:11:27 PM
Can this asshole who keeps posting porn be IP blocked please ?

Who does this need escalating to ?

I would report this myself but clicking Ignore takes away the report button.

Some of us have jobs and are at WORK.... dick.

There are plenty of ways of circumventing that.

Meh true, VPN and Tor off the top of my head.

Clearly letting the trolls get to me.
I should clearly be ignoring their selfie porn posts.

Edit : On a serious note what happened to having to post in the Newbie group and having to wait a week ?

The Magnificent One won't allow it anymore. Don't know why.



1871. Post 11385471 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

I'll give it a shot, just in case there are some impressionable whales out there.




1872. Post 11387597 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Stevenirving on May 15, 2015, 06:59:40 PM

I have been buying and selling bitcoin for 4 years now. Never with any real thought. Just in that I believed it would always go up.


You've been at it since 2011? Did you hold some from back then or sell on the way up? Most people expect those who were around then to be rolling in it by now but life is rarely that straightforward.
Not sure the exact dates I got in bitcoin.
Some of what I say below may be mixed up in time.
I bought in at ~3-4$ and sold at ~30$ which was a big deal back then. That was the first huge raise in price like that. Then I bought in again around 7$ and sold at ~14$. Bought in again at 10$ and left to take care of some personal things for a while.
Not sure if this was before the ATH or after because my memory is not the best. Sold at ~200 something. Then it crashed to 40$. I bought back at 50$ and held. Sold that at ~300$.
With the ATH I had been holding a ton of coin and sold at like 900 something after missing the peak and watching it dropping.

I trusted a few people with money and lost out. I took my profits and made some large investments which bled money. I put a majority of my profits into a venture purchasing gift cards from a supplier. Turned out the supplier was fraudulent which caused me to loose 99% of my money and have to sell off my investments to make back a few bucks.
Lost from tens of thousands in gift cards that all had the balances drained at once. Lost from this happening right after I had sent the person a large sum and the supplier did a runner. Lost from the sites I sold the cards on charging me for all the gift cards I had sold in the prior months because they were canceled.

Always moving forward. I seem to have developed a very self destructive pattern since being thrown into a depression after that all happened.
Which I thought I had fixed, but the 5000$ roulette loss is proof the issues still linger.

When the coin shoots back up and I am wealthy once again I will be much smarter with everything.
The fact I am profiting now playing with leverage proves something

Hmmmm..... I have a business proposition for you.



1873. Post 11387787 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Stevenirving on May 15, 2015, 09:21:24 PM

I have been buying and selling bitcoin for 4 years now. Never with any real thought. Just in that I believed it would always go up.


You've been at it since 2011? Did you hold some from back then or sell on the way up? Most people expect those who were around then to be rolling in it by now but life is rarely that straightforward.
Not sure the exact dates I got in bitcoin.
Some of what I say below may be mixed up in time.
I bought in at ~3-4$ and sold at ~30$ which was a big deal back then. That was the first huge raise in price like that. Then I bought in again around 7$ and sold at ~14$. Bought in again at 10$ and left to take care of some personal things for a while.
Not sure if this was before the ATH or after because my memory is not the best. Sold at ~200 something. Then it crashed to 40$. I bought back at 50$ and held. Sold that at ~300$.
With the ATH I had been holding a ton of coin and sold at like 900 something after missing the peak and watching it dropping.

I trusted a few people with money and lost out. I took my profits and made some large investments which bled money. I put a majority of my profits into a venture purchasing gift cards from a supplier. Turned out the supplier was fraudulent which caused me to loose 99% of my money and have to sell off my investments to make back a few bucks.
Lost from tens of thousands in gift cards that all had the balances drained at once. Lost from this happening right after I had sent the person a large sum and the supplier did a runner. Lost from the sites I sold the cards on charging me for all the gift cards I had sold in the prior months because they were canceled.

Always moving forward. I seem to have developed a very self destructive pattern since being thrown into a depression after that all happened.
Which I thought I had fixed, but the 5000$ roulette loss is proof the issues still linger.

When the coin shoots back up and I am wealthy once again I will be much smarter with everything.
The fact I am profiting now playing with leverage proves something

Hmmmm..... I have a business proposition for you.
Does it require a large investment up front?
IM IN!!!
 Wink

LOL!



1874. Post 11390856 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: ipbo on May 16, 2015, 08:09:20 AM
There is always a good time to buy,sell and hold your bitcoins.When the time comes you will be surprised of the result.

Which time? Always?



1875. Post 11392408 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on May 16, 2015, 12:06:29 PM

Any ideas if this will give us a decent pump?


Given that this is backed by KnC, I would imagine that the demand will initially be met with their own mined coins. TBH this look to me simply like an alternative route for them to sell those coins, or rather fee-incurring paper proxies of them. Quite a smart move really, particularly for them  Cheesy
If there is genuine decent demand for the product going forward, clearly that would be bullish and would necessitate buying more coins on exchange.

But the news is already out there and should be more or less priced in so I am expecting very little impact from it, unless it is an overwhelming instant success or another damp squib.

TBH, I'm leaning towards the latter ...

I doubt KNC has enough coins if only small % of the money, which is used for hedging gets into. Also question is if KNC will offload their holdings at those prices.


KnC has had between 5-15% of the network for the last two years, so they've earned a couple of hundred thousand coins. But they have a lot of investors who must be getting twitchy, so holding the coins forever probably isn't an option. If people trust them enough to actually buy these notes it's a brilliant way to sell some coins at a premium.



1876. Post 11392536 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: gentlemand on May 16, 2015, 12:24:06 PM

KnC has had between 5-15% of the network for the last two years, so they've earned a couple of hundred thousand coins. But they have a lot of investors who must be getting twitchy, so holding the coins forever probably isn't an option. If people trust them enough to actually buy these notes it's a brilliant way to sell some coins at a premium.


By the sounds of it, people who were denied refunds on miners that were previously used, broken or never arrived count among their unwitting 'investors'.

While they were screwing their customers they had several successful investment rounds resulting in  tens of millions each.



1877. Post 11395175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 16, 2015, 06:28:56 PM
Not my Angus again??




1878. Post 11395687 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):




click here if broke and bored

(it won't help, but I'm bored too)



1879. Post 11403397 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):


Quote from: billyjoeallen on May 17, 2015, 06:38:04 PM
Good grief, if things stay this lifeless then this thread will go days w/ just pages of chartbuddy posting unmoving price charts. However, something should be happening tomorrow at least. I'd imagine this Swedish thing is popping up for a reason and perhaps there's demand waiting with baited breath.

It's not lifeless. It's stable. This is what we need. Bull markets end violently. Bear markets in Bitcoin end with a whimper. Another few weeks or months of this and it's off to the races.

We don't need "stable" w/o volume. That's just a prelude to a drop.


Quote from: billyjoeallen on May 17, 2015, 06:03:23 PM
20 more pennies on bfx and we are going to 239 with the next pump!!

Dumbass. You even made your stupid prediction twice!
Someone fed me misinformation

Lame excuse. Misinformation is all around us. Why repeat it?

Mistakes were made.

We suffered a failure of imagination.



Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 17, 2015, 06:39:49 PM
How much does it cost to dox someone?

I'm in. Let's start a fund.
Also in.

In, make an address and i will send a donation.

You guys can't be serious? What do you think you'll do when you find him?

Idle minds, the devil's workshops.  Roll Eyes






1880. Post 11403805 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: ronald98 on May 17, 2015, 06:43:11 PM
Good grief, if things stay this lifeless then this thread will go days w/ just pages of chartbuddy posting unmoving price charts. However, something should be happening tomorrow at least. I'd imagine this Swedish thing is popping up for a reason and perhaps there's demand waiting with baited breath.

There was a big step down about half a week ago and the market has been moving in steps with fairly flat prices in between. There will most likely be another step in the price soon. However, the last half week must have had the lowest volume trading for months.

Lowest since the week of 22. Dec 2014. Price dropped $70 the week after.

Where are the winkledinkles when you need them?



1881. Post 11403992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

@podyx



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Ennio_Morricone-The_Good%2C_The_Bad_And_The_Ugly.ogg



1882. Post 11404276 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on May 17, 2015, 08:42:12 PM
The GDP of Sweden is ~0.9% of the world's economy. What's more, they are going to drop their peg to the Euro when Greece defaults and the Kron is going to skyrocket in value. Why would Swedes want our deflationary currency when they are going to have their own soon?



The OMX exchange is not restricted to swedish nationals. The swedish Krona is not pegged to the Euro and never has been.  The Bayou Financial Times needs to do some fact checking.



1883. Post 11404894 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 17, 2015, 10:56:27 PM
Ok now i understand why almost all old bitcoiners left this thread...they left because trolls, i had actually fun sometimes by shroomskit, fonzie etc...but now the quality of this thread went even lower...whoever find posting such images in bitcoin thread funny is really poor, cheap, stupid and really lame...it was such a great community before...what i don't understand is why with so great budget as bitcointalk has from donations there are no paid mods...I am really sorry fo guys showing the parents where is good spot for finding most recent news in btc and they see such images...

What did I miss?

Your post was deleted



1884. Post 11404927 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 17, 2015, 11:07:09 PM
Ok now i understand why almost all old bitcoiners left this thread...they left because trolls, i had actually fun sometimes by shroomskit, fonzie etc...but now the quality of this thread went even lower...whoever find posting such images in bitcoin thread funny is really poor, cheap, stupid and really lame...it was such a great community before...what i don't understand is why with so great budget as bitcointalk has from donations there are no paid mods...I am really sorry fo guys showing the parents where is good spot for finding most recent news in btc and they see such images...

What did I miss?

Your post was deleted

I thought you were through with that

If only I could





1885. Post 11404964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 17, 2015, 11:16:34 PM
I have a black humour I know. Bitcoin can take it. But I'm not NLC! Geez.

...er pr0n?

I know you, man!

I know what makes you tick!



1886. Post 11404992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 17, 2015, 11:21:42 PM
I have a black humour I know. Bitcoin can take it. But I'm not NLC! Geez.

...er pr0n?

I know you, man!

I know what makes you tick!

Um.

Just taking the Mickey





For now



1887. Post 11408036 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

At least it's 87% buys and 13% sales thus far. I can rummage around for a rocket gif if anyone is interested.



1888. Post 11408194 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 18, 2015, 09:19:13 AM
At least it's 87% buys and 13% sales thus far. I can rummage around for a rocket gif if anyone is interested.

They're always welcome Fatman.
Go ahead mate, do your worst, fire in the hole.
Rockets, moons, CCMF memes etc etc.
Always nice to see in this thread especially as it's been an absolute bore fest for quite a while now.

Edit - I forgot trains  Grin




1889. Post 11408254 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Norway on May 18, 2015, 09:40:29 AM
3000 bitcoin IOUs sold at Nasdaq Stockholm. I like the rate at which XBT Provider ABs offline wallet is sucking up coins from the market!  Grin

300

61969/200=309.845



1890. Post 11408583 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Fiat_Hodler on May 18, 2015, 10:20:47 AM
volume surged: http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538

1,162,422

That's not the volume, use this site instead

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST



1891. Post 11408660 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Kupsi on May 18, 2015, 10:38:34 AM

That's the volume in SEK, not shares.

Sure, if you want to put it that way. But people buy notes at different prices so it's not the most illuminating way of keeping track of volume.



1892. Post 11408682 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on May 18, 2015, 10:41:40 AM


Don't disturb

Financial geniuses at work



1893. Post 11408894 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 18, 2015, 11:12:13 AM
HUGE train incoming from STOCKHOLM!!!

CCMF!!











...  oh, wait...

You doofus, you fell for your own trap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS12p0Zqlt0



1894. Post 11409130 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 18, 2015, 11:44:49 AM

You doofus, you fell for your own trap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS12p0Zqlt0

I have taught you well,  Padawan.... Cool

Hey, I got to post a ccmf and a train gif after all!



First Dump3r, then you. Bullish..



1895. Post 11409728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

http://fortune.com/2015/05/18/how-wall-street-got-into-the-wild-world-of-bitcoin/


The Funny Pages



1896. Post 11411163 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Feri22 on May 18, 2015, 03:51:39 PM


+1



1897. Post 11411563 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on May 18, 2015, 04:26:14 PM


Huh

Your plan is approved.




1898. Post 11412642 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: dakota neat on May 18, 2015, 05:37:45 PM
It's been so long since one of those crazy rallies. Bitcoin's reputation seems to finally be free of the bad kind of excitement. It is maintaining value and will hopefully begin to rise as well because of it's actual qualities, not because of greed alone.

wall street actually happening right now and price doesnt move? this thing is going to the 70s.




1899. Post 11413261 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Dumpdy dump



1900. Post 11413390 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

aaaarrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!

Not blimmin $236 again!

This is soooo boooooring!!!!!



1901. Post 11413400 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: fonzie on May 18, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
GBTC down to $280 per btc.

Bullish!


Dump3r, Satoshifanclub and now you. I think the train is ready to leave the station.



1902. Post 11414153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Down $3

Boooooorrrriiiiiiiinnnnnggggg!!!!

Can we have a bounce now?



1903. Post 11414367 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

At least volume is up




Or maybe this is more appropriate for your bleeding eyes




1904. Post 11414715 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

This is not how the moon party was supposed to go.




1905. Post 11414822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on May 18, 2015, 10:54:40 PM
Well, at least Superman, Spiderman, Captain America, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Robin and Reed Richards seem to be having a good time.

nerd



1906. Post 11417796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

I know the bitcoin community is a bit on the fringe, but are we against old women now?



1907. Post 11418128 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

89% sales at XBT Provider today.



1908. Post 11418138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: spud21 on May 19, 2015, 09:20:10 AM
I know the bitcoin community is a bit on the fringe, but are we against old women now?

hey they gave me cookies all is well.....well I tell you all is well!!!!! (hmmm...they may be listening....how they took over all the usa poll stations I'll never know....volunteers...
its a PLOT I tell you!

.............

 

From your dexcription it sounds like the USA sounds like its been taken over by Hell's Grannies using extreme violence.

Were they part of the biker shootout yesterday?

I agree, something needs to be done with these grannies. And as our resident troll has shown us, the grampas are otherwise engaged.



1909. Post 11418668 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 19, 2015, 10:23:17 AM
5 USD dump over night then, is anybody starting to lose a little bit of hope?
I'm going to hodl until the end but I'm starting to feel a bit deflated about the future of bitcoin so much so that I'm wondering if it was an awful investment to begin with.
We've gone nowhere except down for so long now Sad

If you do a google news search for "Bitcoin" for the last month, it's clear that Bitcoin is revving its engine. Whether the price will follow anytime soon is unclear though.



1910. Post 11418816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Norway on May 19, 2015, 11:03:22 AM
89% sales at XBT Provider today.
89% of what?

http://www.netfonds.se/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST



1911. Post 11419665 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Norway on May 19, 2015, 12:57:45 PM
The new NYSE bitcoin index is certainly higher than the exchanges I follow:

https://www.nyse.com/quote/index/NYXBT


The price is from May 18



1912. Post 11420792 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: nanobrain on May 19, 2015, 01:41:56 PM
^^ Permabull getting despondent...  Bullish!   Grin

Its been holding fine for the last few weeks. It only looks bad if you were hoping for salvation from contrived derivatives like 'stockholm' and gbtc.



Newb mocking semi-newb's growing realisation the boat has sailed, hit the iceberg and is sinking. Bearish.

And you can always tell when the price hasn't done much for a while...a new strain of misogyny breaks out here....so old ladies are the latest target of bitcoinBile.  Classy.

Apparently, they are taking over the world.

Anyhew....

Admit it, you're here because you know this train is ready to leave the station. Choo Choo MF Style!!!



1913. Post 11421002 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: hdbuck on May 19, 2015, 03:50:13 PM
network deficit = transaction fees - mining cost
https://blockchain.info/charts/network-deficit

"The price of any commodity tends to gravitate toward the production cost."

seems we can go lower, for the miners are *still profitable. Wink Grin

Yes, that's how it works. Because cement producers earnings are dependent on a network based on adaptive difficulty as well.



1914. Post 11421081 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: spud21 on May 19, 2015, 04:04:58 PM
^^ Permabull getting despondent...  Bullish!   Grin

Its been holding fine for the last few weeks. It only looks bad if you were hoping for salvation from contrived derivatives like 'stockholm' and gbtc.



Newb mocking semi-newb's growing realisation the boat has sailed, hit the iceberg and is sinking. Bearish.

And you can always tell when the price hasn't done much for a while...a new strain of misogyny breaks out here....so old ladies are the latest target of bitcoinBile.  Classy.

Apparently, they are taking over the world.

Anyhew....

Admit it, you're here because you know this train is ready to leave the station. Choo Choo MF Style!!!

According to this thread they have taken control of the USA and China. The Chinese chapters of Hells Grannies apparently now control the price of Bitcoin. It's their fault the price hasn't done much for a while.


I'm lost.

Where I come from we just give them some of these:



But it's an international problem so I don't know what to do.



1915. Post 11422050 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Tzupy on May 19, 2015, 05:38:03 PM
Come on, bulls, you can do it! A little pump is all I ask, so I can place my short tomorrow. Wink

"Come on bulls and investors.  Put your money here so I can shit on your face (likely with leverage) tomorrow for personal gain!".  Perhaps this ongoing mentality is why there isn't this "new money" coming in I keep hearing about.


This is how markets work, everybody is after his personal gain. At least I'm honest, I don't ask bulls to buy while promising moon, on the contrary... Grin

And we appreciate it. If you just wait till we reach 4k, you can have your little dump. Scouts Honor!

I've never been a scout.



1916. Post 11422552 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: 600watt on May 19, 2015, 06:11:06 PM
in the last 24 hrs, oil (WTI) dropped twice as far as Bitcoin (3% vs. 1.5%)   

So in terms of oil, we're up :-)


so crude is done ?

+1

Crude ded?




1917. Post 11422851 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: lemmyK on May 19, 2015, 06:41:30 PM
just remember how the TPB to the case and I hope none of you does not confer the personal data to Swedes. They have commanded to share data when a person is wanted for just any little criminally Invented done in Scandinavia. It's even worse than the NSA to collect data. Do not be stupid and do not give anything to Scandinavia.

Or...





1918. Post 11423182 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on May 19, 2015, 07:38:50 PM
80% voted buy on btc and I concur! Cool

80 vote which is 44%

Well, about 75% voted buy or hold...

...and 24% sell...we need a screaming buy button added!!! Cause that's wat we got here playas...$$$
cheers   Shocked Shocked Shocked Cool

I think there are more people who voted buy than actually bought coins today. Globally.



1919. Post 11423295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on May 19, 2015, 07:46:52 PM
80% voted buy on btc and I concur! Cool

80 vote which is 44%

Well, about 75% voted buy or hold...

...and 24% sell...we need a screaming buy button added!!! Cause that's wat we got here playas...$$$
cheers   Shocked Shocked Shocked Cool

I think there are more people who voted buy than actually bought coins today. Globally.

Yea dats my point...sellers are drying up! Bears have had a fun 10plus days but da party is over imho$$$

Well, when you put it that way...




1920. Post 11423945 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Dump on stamp?

Looks more like a wet fart, but I guess we'll have to make do. Doo-doo.

Edit: Now there's spotty underpants at finex as well



1921. Post 11424393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: readysalted89 on May 19, 2015, 09:14:29 PM
Dump on stamp?

Looks more like a wet fart, but I guess we'll have to make do. Doo-doo.

Edit: Now there's spotty underpants at finex as well

If you want wet farts then this post by afbitcoins contains a link to *The Greatest Fart he ever did*. It's bound to be more interesting than the recent price action.

.........


And in other news ...

The Greatest Fart I ever did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk-5RVMerfI



Wildly out of tune. Someone should stick a fork up his instrument. A tune fork, that is.





1922. Post 11424487 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on May 19, 2015, 10:03:57 PM


The question is, who glitched? BFX or Bitcoinwisdom Wink

//Since BitcoinCharts is showing the same hovering candle, it must be BFX. The next question: Ist the API bogus or is the trading engine about to explode? Or did one of the inside-trades accidently get out via API? Wink

Hmm, interesting. Supposedly there are > 2,600 coins before passing $236 and about half of that for > $234...  Huh

Bitfinex has been updating their trading engine lately. Looks like another bug. Someone got a rotten deal on those coins.



1923. Post 11428022 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Someone is building bid walls at finex. 400+400 following the price.

Edit: Looks like the start of the cheapest P&D I've ever seen.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 20, 2015, 08:40:52 AM
Yea I think 230's will not survive, possibly by tomorrow.


could go a little lower but trend is up IMHO... Cool

I hope so.  It would be about time to go up.  We've been in this $200s zone for too long... I am looking forward to some movement towards $300s and beyond.   Tongue Tongue Tongue

I'm ready to ditch $300 and jump straight too $400+.



1924. Post 11430858 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

http://www.newsweek.com/dea-seizes-50-million-worth-heroin-and-2-million-cash-record-setting-drug-bust-333842


Dollar ded?




1925. Post 11431116 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Brewins on May 20, 2015, 03:32:13 PM


will they auction the seized dollars for BTC?

How bout heroin?



1926. Post 11435018 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: gentlemand on May 20, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
An interesting detail from here

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-20/bank-regulator-lawsky-to-exit-with-new-york-6-billion-richer

Ben Lawsky stands down as New York's financial supernintendo

'The 45-year-old regulator plans to set up his own consulting firm in New York, advising financial institutions on matters related to technology, cybersecurity and virtual currency.'

Teensy conflict of interest there. He creates the problem and then charges for the solution.





So basically, everyone who's forced to sit down and learn something about Bitcoin wants a piece of the action. Bullish...



1927. Post 11438412 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Ok, I've just spoken to the Norwegian tax authorities about how to classify my Bitcoin mining business and they've basically sent it back to me and asked how they do it in other countries(?!?!?!). Do any of you know what industry code / tax bracket a bitcoin mining business registers under in your country?



1928. Post 11438535 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on May 21, 2015, 09:05:23 AM
Ok, I've just spoken to the Norwegian tax authorities about how to classify my Bitcoin mining business and they've basically sent it back to me and asked how they do it in other countries(?!?!?!). Do any of you know what industry code / tax bracket a bitcoin mining business registers under in your country?

Haha, just tell them it is a non-taxable event in any sane country. It's like finding a piece of gold in your backyard if you are hobbyist.

Well, my three year goal is 2MW draw on the power grid. That requires some paper work. And if I can get it in the right tax bracket / industry code, I'll have to pay less tax on electricity.  Regarding sane, Norways default response is always to tax first, ask questions later.



1929. Post 11438553 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Norway on May 21, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
Ok, I've just spoken to the Norwegian tax authorities about how to classify my Bitcoin mining business and they've basically sent it back to me and asked how they do it in other countries(?!?!?!). Do any of you know what industry code / tax bracket a bitcoin mining business registers under in your country?
Maybe you could ask a swedish miner? KnC? (I know you don't like them because their bad/late delivered miners, but they could actually help you on this one.)

Perhaps, but they're not a pure Bitcoin mining company so I think they've avoided this problem by primarily being a chip manufacturer. I will look into it, but I'm still interested to hear if anyone here knows something.



1930. Post 11439892 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: ImI on May 21, 2015, 12:38:50 PM
why are we not at 150 yet
Because the bears have failed to push us below 230 USD for any prolonged period.
Every time a whale puts coins up for sale they get eaten up.
We've found the bottom & the only way is up now.
The bear market is over.

bear market is over since 152 imo. nevertheless its not clear if a bullrun has started or sideways is the name of the game.

Bull runs aren't subtle



1931. Post 11440002 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: empowering on May 21, 2015, 12:47:07 PM
why are we not at 150 yet
Because the bears have failed to push us below 230 USD for any prolonged period.
Every time a whale puts coins up for sale they get eaten up.
We've found the bottom & the only way is up now.
The bear market is over.

bear market is over since 152 imo. nevertheless its not clear if a bullrun has started or sideways is the name of the game.

Bull runs aren't subtle


Do they look like this ?


I'm on my phone, but I'll see if can find a Pamplona gif when I come back.



1932. Post 11440132 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: empowering on May 21, 2015, 01:08:15 PM
why are we not at 150 yet
Because the bears have failed to push us below 230 USD for any prolonged period.
Every time a whale puts coins up for sale they get eaten up.
We've found the bottom & the only way is up now.
The bear market is over.

bear market is over since 152 imo. nevertheless its not clear if a bullrun has started or sideways is the name of the game.

Bull runs aren't subtle


Do they look like this ?
I'm on my phone, but I'll see if can find a Pamplona gif when I come back.

Yeah man..... come to think of it when I was in pamplona last it was raining a lot, thought the locals were quite tanned, probably just all the mud .

 Cheesy

This is what we are looking for




1933. Post 11440174 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: empowering on May 21, 2015, 01:22:24 PM


Keep your eyes open......

(there are walls everywhere  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy)

Thx for pulling it back on topic



1934. Post 11440765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Norway on May 21, 2015, 02:27:34 PM
Not impressed by the volume of Bitcoin Tracker One on Nasdaq Stockholm. Just 550 bitcoin traded so far today. But the price is going up. Undecided

More buys today though. If there are more buyers than sellers over time the issuer has to issue more notes. And if someone goes xbt-crazy over there it might be noticeable on exchanges.



1935. Post 11447274 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Trolfi on May 25, 2015, 04:58:47 PM
Fellow travelers,

This is a friendly reminder to change your account passwords, in case their hashes were compromised during the breach.

We wouldn't want usurpers spreading misinformation from hero accounts, would we?

Would we notice and would we care?



1936. Post 11449486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: S3052 on May 25, 2015, 08:16:38 PM
before bitcointalk down: around 232
bitcointalk down: 240+
bitcointalk back up: 238 and falling.


seems the trolls from here have some influence on prices

of course trolls are powerfull beings, never doubt that  Grin

It started to fall long before bitcointalk went back up. In fact it was down to about 237 before bitcointalk went back up. Afterwards the price went up to about 238 for a while. I think the price going down had more to do with the news of the ~1500 Bitcoins stolen from Bitfinex.

Those small price movements have nothing to do with those recent developments. It can be all explained by technical analysis of the bitcoin market.

Quite a lot of people will empty out their fiat from an exchange by buying BTC and try to GTFO when it is hacked. That, coupled with finex asking customers to stop making deposits, makes me think it's no coincidence that finex led the recent rise.

I, and I guess most others in this thread, expected a rise because of this on Friday. What is encouraging thus far is the lack of a serious crash afterwards. But the dust might not have settled yet.



1937. Post 11453495 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: _biO_ on May 26, 2015, 09:36:26 AM
If you ask me, whether it pumps first or not, it's gonna eventually go to double digits, where we'll see if this market is actually bound to reverse and see another bull market or slowly fade into obscurity.

This suggest that you see bitcoin only as some candlestick chart and value it based on "technical analysis" of past market performance.

I guess a lot of people do that. Probably the only reason the price is as low as it is.


Well.... it works then?!



1938. Post 11454175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Dalmar on May 26, 2015, 12:17:46 PM

Worst performing currency this year, hands down Grin

http://finviz.com/forex_performance.ashx

They obviously are not familiar with the shitcoin market.



1939. Post 11455434 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.15h):

Quote from: Norway on May 26, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
Check out these newbie bitcoiners:
https://blog.xapo.com/announcing-xapos-advisory-board/

Holy Fucking Macaroni!

Pardon my French



1940. Post 11462434 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Mayer Amschel on May 27, 2015, 09:43:42 AM
Well, im not sure anymore.

I confirm that we are all clueless

- Mayer Amschel

You just have to Keep The Faith





fruityfruttyfruity



1941. Post 11464263 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on May 27, 2015, 02:20:31 PM
Bitcoin Tracker One is at an all time high at Nasdaq Stockholm, but the volume is still tiny.
http://norma.netfonds.no/multiday.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

Noticed that as well. Looks like usd/sek moving. In BTC terms it's still $236.



1942. Post 11464292 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: spud21 on May 27, 2015, 02:47:40 PM
I looked at the Adam's BitMovements thread today and noticed Adam's Cheap Coins Target was 375 on September 25, 2014. However, Adam's Cheap Coins Target is only 234.99 today.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796276.0

What will his Cheap Coins Target be next September?
$1498



1943. Post 11464563 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on May 27, 2015, 02:57:11 PM
I looked at the Adam's BitMovements thread today and noticed Adam's Cheap Coins Target was 375 on September 25, 2014. However, Adam's Cheap Coins Target is only 234.99 today.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796276.0

What will his Cheap Coins Target be next September?
$1498

Why ? Troll ?

Sure



1944. Post 11464615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

some proper dumping going on



1945. Post 11466487 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: troleybüs on May 27, 2015, 04:44:32 PM
Wow, the hate is real.

(somebody deleted my congratulations message to workers day.)


(Mine too, and I had the nice posters and everything. I don't think these guys are very fond of labour unions)



1946. Post 11466666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on May 27, 2015, 07:29:29 PM
Wow, the hate is real.

(somebody deleted my congratulations message to workers day.)


(Mine too, and I had the nice posters and everything. I don't think these guys are very fond of labour unions)
(Wasn't that almost a month ago? 1st of may?)

Yeah, but the red flame burns deep. Plus, we can't let ChartBuddy hog the thread.



1947. Post 11466857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 27, 2015, 07:54:37 PM
Bitstamp: $234
BTC-E   : $239

There is no God Sad

there is a god, god is the universe, look around, god's everywhere!

now buy!

I've even got a picture:



Looks like he's a bugle player



1948. Post 11466936 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

I see lambie is revving up his engines. Guess we're gonna have a move soon.




1949. Post 11467085 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: hdbuck on May 27, 2015, 08:19:56 PM
dump!

Don't dumb it down, it was pure and beautiful.



1950. Post 11467264 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 27, 2015, 08:38:37 PM
poeple are going ape shit, this can only mean one thing, the next 24 hours are critical



1951. Post 11471389 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on May 28, 2015, 09:10:32 AM
https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/600526642453286912


It's funny because it's true.

And the first comment: "you'll need guns"




1952. Post 11471502 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: only on May 28, 2015, 09:48:06 AM
year 2015 is critical



1953. Post 11471628 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):




1954. Post 11472372 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 28, 2015, 12:03:23 PM
A pig? I would rather have a cow, at least you can milk a cow..

You can milk a pig. Anything with nipples can be milked.
I've got nipples...



1955. Post 11472564 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: gentlemand on May 28, 2015, 12:29:11 PM
A pig? I would rather have a cow, at least you can milk a cow..

You can milk a pig. Anything with nipples can be milked.
I've got nipples...

Males can be coaxed into producing milk by pulling your nipples around but maybe a hormone or two would help as well. I can't imagine your milk would be that nutritious but it could be a nice sideline once society has fallen. Imagine the loyalty you would engender from your idiot minions if you breastfed them.

While we still have a society it could be a nice little earner if you set up a streamium channel to charge for squirting milk at your webcam. There's a fun summer project for you.

Nah, I have a different project already. I've heard bull sperm is the most expensive liquid in the world. My freezer is filling up pretty fast so I just have to find out where I can sell it.



1956. Post 11472645 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 28, 2015, 12:49:49 PM
Still going sideways +/- a couple a dollars either way.
I think I might stop checking the price several times daily soon if this carries on  Grin
We really have reached a stand still haven't we.
There must be a move bubbling up under the surface soon, there simply must be.
A whale is going to get frustrated soon and dump or buy a shit load of coins.

If you look at the price in euro it's even more flat. At least the usd drop gave us an illusion of excitement.



1957. Post 11473666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: empowering on May 28, 2015, 02:59:42 PM
In that sort of situation owning a pig would make you the equivalent of a millionaire. It might be wise to sell some Bitcoins and invest in a pig as a hedge against an apocalypse.

Since pigs will become scarcer and scarcer as they get eaten, stolen, or run away, you should hodl your pig and never eat it or exchange it for anything.

Quote
Imagine what you could barter for a whole pig.

You could barter it for a packet of wet swipes and half a pig.  Since pigs are going to increase in value exponentially, that would only delay your entry to the Buffett Club by a few days.

At the buffet club they have pig, lamb, beef, chicken, duck, fish...salad bar,  they have a little bit of everything, it is all just laid out there, waiting for a fat bastard to come along and eat.

qe? what? who?



1958. Post 11473688 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: 600watt on May 28, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
all good news again, why is the price not tanking ?




1959. Post 11474831 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

If anyone wants to swim in stupidity then this article should fit the bill:

http://www.coindesk.com/think-tank-debate-bitcoin-mining-environment/

Think Tank is a bit of an oxymoron in this case. Filled with morons.



1960. Post 11475993 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Android copying the masters again

http://www.wired.com/2015/05/google-mimics-apple-android-pay/

But if this holds true there might be something in it for bitcoin as well

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19473/will-googles-android-pay-support-bitcoin/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2xp9r2/android_pay_was_confirmed_today_and_it_sounds/



1961. Post 11476348 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: macsga on May 28, 2015, 09:00:45 PM
I think you're taking the tweet a little bit too seriously  Grin

The consequences of somebody getting old. I'm not THAT old, but well... Wink

The "post-apocalyptic wasteland" is a joke, he was probably referring to the fact that some bitcoiners hope for a total collapse of the dollar, of the stock market, of fiat in general and think that everybody would suddenly buy a ultravolatile, ultrarisky, not-really-scalable experimental digital version of gold as a consequence  Grin

If the fiat system collapses, BTC will be the last thing people are gonna think of. If BTC is ever gonna survive and succeed, it's definitely not as a replacement of fiat, that's just delusional r/bitcoin stuff.

Wait, I thought he was a SHE Tongue
Nevermind. I don't believe that BTC will replace anything short-term or mid-term. I'd say the most possible scenario would be a co-existence with the current monetary infrastructure. How epidermic or deepened this will be, this is left as an exercise to the reader. FWIW though, I strongly suggest to anyone I know, that it's better to be unorthodoxically prepared, than not be prepared at all. That includes -and not isolated to- a fair amount of BTCs "just in case". Wink

You really are old. Taylor Swift is the new David Bowie.



1962. Post 11483433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on May 29, 2015, 05:56:31 PM
Insanely high 2500 BTC ask-wall on Finex @ 236.75....

Don't worry it's a fake wall

Definitely fake.  Obviously they are trying to scare sells into there buy orders at 236

this is probably why price is so stable, manipulation has shifted from manipulate the price down as we profit,  to hold the price down while we accumulate



When do you think you're finished accumulating? I want fireworks.



1963. Post 11484492 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

I just took took a look at the early pages of this thread. Everyone was constructive and positive. Adam wasn't drunk. This really is the post-apocalyptic WO-thread. No wonder there are so many doomsday preppers here.


Quote from: Paashaas on May 29, 2015, 08:18:53 PM
Ross Ulbricht has been sentenced to life in prison  Shocked

http://www.coindesk.com/ross-ulbricht-sentenced/

He moved a ton of drugs, that'll happen. At least in the US.



1964. Post 11484586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on May 29, 2015, 08:29:16 PM
I just took took a look at the early pages of this thread. Everyone was constructive and positive. Adam wasn't drunk. This really is the post-apocalyptic WO-thread. No wonder there are so many doomsday preppers here.


Ross Ulbricht has been sentenced to life in prison  Shocked

http://www.coindesk.com/ross-ulbricht-sentenced/

He moved a ton of drugs, that'll happen. At least in the US.
So does the United States Postal Service.

I think there is a campaign for his release if you want to fight for this prick.

http://freeross.org/


However it looks like he's at peace with his destiny.




1965. Post 11484674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: gentlemand on May 29, 2015, 08:41:05 PM
I think Mr Ulbricht was a greedy, unworldly prick who was either too arrogant or too stupid to think through what he was actually doing.

Had he been linking drug consumers directly with poppy and coca farmers and chemists then that's something to applaud. All he was doing was facilitating the existing misery rained down on the poor saps caught up in the drug manufacture and supply chain.

That being said, life in prison is a fucking ludicrous sentence.

Most european countries have sentences based on scientific theories, americans just want the pain.

Not to mention, Reagan made a funny back in the 80s:

"In 1986, the U.S. Congress passed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 which, amongst other things, created a 100 to 1 sentencing disparity for crack vs. powder cocaine possession, which some people consider to be a racist law which discriminates against minorities,[2][3][4] who are more likely to use crack than powder cocaine. People convicted in federal court of possession of 5 grams of crack cocaine will receive a minimum mandatory sentence of 5 years in federal prison. On the other hand, possession of 500 grams of powder cocaine carries the same sentence.[2][3] Some other authors, however, have pointed out that the Congressional Black Caucus backed the law, which they say implies that the law cannot be racist.[5][6][7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_the_War_on_Drugs



1966. Post 11484695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on May 29, 2015, 08:47:21 PM
I just took took a look at the early pages of this thread. Everyone was constructive and positive. Adam wasn't drunk. This really is the post-apocalyptic WO-thread. No wonder there are so many doomsday preppers here.


Ross Ulbricht has been sentenced to life in prison  Shocked

http://www.coindesk.com/ross-ulbricht-sentenced/

He moved a ton of drugs, that'll happen. At least in the US.
So does the United States Postal Service.

I think there is a campaign for his release if you want to fight for this prick.

http://freeross.org/
Thanks. I saw a clip of his mother at an event. She is so impressive! She is certainly not taking the role of a crying mother that just love her son. She is fighting like a lawyer. Because that's what work. I'm not going into details, but US agents both proposed and faked the killing of a person. Who should be prosecuted?

What she's trying to do then is to render the whole investigation invalid because of a technicality. Which only makes sense if you're his mum.



1967. Post 11485002 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on May 29, 2015, 09:01:32 PM
h&s pattern completing...

 Huh Which h&s pattern?

I don't see one.

Must be this dude:



Anyhew, it's not like it matters. The clearest anti dandruff shampoo I ever saw was Feb 15 to Apr 15 this year, and nothing happened.



1968. Post 11488060 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

finex hit 228

dumpadumpdump

Edit: at least volume is up



1969. Post 11488094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: fonzie on May 30, 2015, 09:43:12 AM
finex hit 228

dumpadumpdump

Edit: at least volume is up

Bullish!

Indeed!

Glad to have you onboard!



1970. Post 11488296 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Voktar on May 30, 2015, 10:15:23 AM
Looks like an end of the low volatility phase. Daily close today will be important.

Next 24h are critical  Grin
Granted,

However



1971. Post 11492925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: abercrombie on May 30, 2015, 10:05:15 PM
is crypto done??  Huh



(Like friggin clockwork)

Yes

Now, off you go



1972. Post 11493120 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on May 30, 2015, 10:47:42 PM
i have many bears memes stocked for tomorrow crash  Smiley

Don't say that! Tomorrow is gonna be a beautiful day with pink unicorns and fairies flying around....LALALALALALALALA!!!!



1973. Post 11493161 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: inca on May 30, 2015, 11:06:08 PM
Shorts nearly at 25000..

How many times do they need to get burned? Smiley

How about one?

That would be nice.



1974. Post 11496481 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Blitz­ on May 31, 2015, 11:30:50 AM
Everyone's eyes should be glued to the charts at this pivotal point.

I might not count as everyone, but I'm fat.



1975. Post 11496579 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

That was like a fart in an escalator. Unpleasant, but forgettable.



1976. Post 11496906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Looks like it's just adjusting to a stronger dollar. It really is acurrency now. Except nobody's using it.



1977. Post 11497146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

I wouldn't mind a bounce to $600-$850 right now.



1978. Post 11497277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 31, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
So the Gavin 'news' has devastated the bitcoin community & sent the price into free fall.
Free fall to the tune of 5 whole US dollars.
Oh no, whatever will we do, bitcoin is dead, double digits incoming etc etc, 'insert more pathetic FUD, sinking ships, ponies'.
Somebody wake me up if there's actually anything to worry about.

It's the middle of the day. I didn't know scousers took siestas.



1979. Post 11497439 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: alani123 on May 31, 2015, 01:48:43 PM
Scariest thing right now is the volume, let's hope the outcome isn't going to be bearish.

It sure ain't healthy.



1980. Post 11500658 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on May 31, 2015, 09:10:45 PM
I sold everything. Hope to buy back cheaper, when this whole core / xt-thing blows over.

That's good news for all the hodlers. I've been dead wrong on almost all of my trades. Probably Greece will default on the 5th of june and a lot of Europeans will get out of € and into BTC skyrocketing BTC-euro value.

i hear ya a fork at such high price/marketcap is a big deal, i don't see people let millions of dollars in something that can go all wrong.


That was a retarded statement from Gavin. That sort of linux-type mudslinging doesn't work well with a currency. If you've listened to statements from the fed and seen how people react to it you understand that brain farts move markets. It's just irresponsible.



1981. Post 11501173 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Dotto on May 31, 2015, 10:53:56 PM
And the dump intensifies in real time. It has beartrap written aaaaall along. In few hours wild PUMP



I know you prob joking, but if you take orders I would like $850 please.



1982. Post 11502629 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: catena5260 on June 01, 2015, 04:25:04 AM
where is the big crash caused by the blockchain civil war that some people are talking about Huh

Still 230 Sad

This could only mean:




1983. Post 11504065 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Mayer Amschel on June 01, 2015, 09:39:48 AM
I started a thread but no one answered,

Are there any other exchanges that offer more than 20x leverage trading (OkCoin) for BTC?

- Mayer Amschel

Yes



1984. Post 11504120 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: fonzie on June 01, 2015, 09:54:31 AM
I started a thread but no one answered,

Are there any other exchanges that offer more than 20x leverage trading (OkCoin) for BTC?

- Mayer Amschel

Yes

Confirmed!

Quote from: Stevenirving on May 15, 2015, 05:16:31 PM
Oh and if you are feeling kamikaze-level brave, chinese exchange 796 (https://796.com/) offers 50X leverage.

Margin call with a $3 move, lmao. Good luck with that.




I WANT IT SO BAD.
Time to learn Chinese.
I would go for it, but there would be a fear that the google web translate tool may make a mistake on a word, I click the wrong button, and Im out my life savings

Hint: You can switch to english in the top left corner.



1985. Post 11504134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Mayer Amschel on June 01, 2015, 09:57:21 AM
What are the names of the other exchanges that provide more then 20x leverage trading?

- Mayer Amschel

Sorry, thought I'd just annoy you a bit while I was looking for the link. The search function is offline so I had to rummage around manually.



1986. Post 11504182 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: POM on June 01, 2015, 09:57:50 AM
$227 on finex.

Dipped to $224, 4k dump.



1987. Post 11504248 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: dakota neat on June 01, 2015, 10:07:43 AM
why don't you just give up? it's easier for all of us. let it go. you don't need to go through all this pain. dismiss btc and you will get back your life. you have been wrong - but it's never too late to correct a mistake. you are a precious human being. you deserve love. SELL NOW




1988. Post 11504259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

2k dump to @223 at finex



1989. Post 11504407 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

At least volume is up.



1990. Post 11504419 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: fonzie on June 01, 2015, 10:48:28 AM
At least volume is up.

Bullish!!!
Confirmed!



1991. Post 11504747 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 01, 2015, 11:39:23 AM
Ahh no, what the hell, only just checked the price for the 1st time today.
Yet another little dump, what the hell's going on?
These mini dumps are starting to add up, we need a whale to say 'I've had enough of this crap' then come in & start buying loads of coins.
Surely we're not going to sink below 220, surely?
That would really, really suck Sad

As long as it doesn't go below $210 we'll be fine....ish.



1992. Post 11504986 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

This kind of quality reporting doesn't help.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/01/bitcoin-app-critical-update-bug-crypto-breakdown



1993. Post 11505113 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: coinableS on June 01, 2015, 12:36:26 PM

Facepalms galore in just the 1st sentence:

Blockchain has issued an update for the Android version of its bitcoin wallet after discovering a critical failure which breaks the cryptocurrency’s security.

Let me FTFY

Blockchain.info, a private company named after the bitcoin blockchain, has issued an update for their Android bitcoin wallet after discovering a critical security flaw which could lead to a consumer generating a well known and unsecure address.

Not what I have come to expect from The Guardian.



1994. Post 11505644 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Mayer Amschel on June 01, 2015, 01:49:38 PM
I think the tables have turned.

The Bulls are on their way in.

Get ready to rally HODLers.

- Mayer Amschel

Just don't go 50x on it.



1995. Post 11506390 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Mayer Amschel on June 01, 2015, 02:58:01 PM
I think the tables have turned.

The Bulls are on their way in.

Get ready to rally HODLers.

- Mayer Amschel

Just don't go 50x on it.

I still dont find that option on 796

- Mayer Amschel

I haven't used it myself, but if you press the "Sign Up" button you will get this page:

https://796.com/reg

Which clearly states:

"Up to ≈50X Leverage
Highest leverage available on cryptocurrencies, flexible risk management by scaling in and out of trades."


I wouldn't be surprised if they have some pretty strict requirements for access to this product. An e-mail to them probably wouldn't hurt.

Edit: If Bitcoin is simply weakening vs a strengthening dollar and is flat vs other currencies, we should see another $5 within the next few weeks. You don't have to use Bitcoin for this (Swiss Franc or Euro should work as well), but if you want 50x leverage BTC might be a good option.



1996. Post 11506472 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Ouch! 2k poo!



1997. Post 11506691 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: inca on June 01, 2015, 03:58:32 PM
btc swap rates now higher than usd..

In what measure?



1998. Post 11506786 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: inca on June 01, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
btc swap rates now higher than usd..

In what measure?

bfxdata.com

I know where it is, but when I read it it says Longs 26.6 million USD. And Shorts 27 456 BTC, which is roughly 6 million USD.



1999. Post 11506867 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: inca on June 01, 2015, 04:10:14 PM

I know where it is, but when I read it it says Longs 26.6 million USD. And Shorts 27 456 BTC, which is roughly 6 million USD.

It is not the absolutes..because the long position is historically always far larger (since you can be long in btc). But shorting is somewhat different.. you can only short (and sell on exchange) what someone is willing to lend. Click the btc swaps window and you can see the swap rates demand and supply and the coin supply. It allows you to see this move was planned.

So shorts are higher than longs, but not in absolutes?             We're fucked



2000. Post 11507546 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on June 01, 2015, 05:17:33 PM
Usually, I just ignore these obvious trolls. I was tempted, and fed the troll. But now, Shipraraty is on ignore.
However, I am curious about who pay some of these trolls. If the forum administrators published the IP's of the most obvious trolls, maybe we could find their employers? I don't know...

Have you ever followed the linux community?

Now imagine if one of the nasties from linux becomes a trader.

What do you have?





2001. Post 11507599 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 01, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
its over guys we gave it our best shot but sadly this is the end,  trolls were right all along, sub 200 is coming and then double digits. I am very sadden that bitcoin is dead, and it's a shame I bought so much on the way down thinking it would eventually "bounce back" and make new highs, clearly this is never going to happen. time and money has been expired to no end. this is gentlemen.

It's fifteen bucks, you pansie! Get a grip!



2002. Post 11507667 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: An Error Has Occurred! on June 01, 2015, 05:36:13 PM
Usually, I just ignore these obvious trolls. I was tempted, and fed the troll. But now, Shipraraty is on ignore.
However, I am curious about who pay some of these trolls. If the forum administrators published the IP's of the most obvious trolls, maybe we could find their employers? I don't know...

Have you ever followed the linux community?

Now imagine one of the nasties from linux who becomes a trader.

What do you have?



"
Hey Fatman, funny you should use that gif. Aren't you the guy who prefers black-plate fake Mullard 12ax7s to gray-plate fake Sovetec rebrand "5751" or some crap like that?

Leave Audio Asylum alone, you pervert!

Aren't there some emo kids you can bother? I guess they just agree with you when you tell them how shit their life is.



2003. Post 11507726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on June 01, 2015, 05:43:00 PM
its over guys we gave it our best shot but sadly this is the end,  trolls were right all along, sub 200 is coming and then double digits. I am very sadden that bitcoin is dead, and it's a shame I bought so much on the way down thinking it would eventually "bounce back" and make new highs, clearly this is never going to happen. time and money has been expired to no end. this is gentlemen.

Troll, but from YOU !!!
Relax, he just ran out of beer!

He's like Bender




2004. Post 11508328 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: gizmoh on June 01, 2015, 07:02:42 PM
Reinforcement bids came on BFX.
Few coins on offer to short.
RSI is oversold.
Dumpers what ya gonna do now?  Roll Eyes


They're suited up and ready to go.



Let's launch this mofo!!!



2005. Post 11508341 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on June 01, 2015, 05:56:36 PM
He's like Bender
I gotta give it to you, motherfucker: You are 50% of the reason I follow this thread regulary. I know I was pretty rude to you in a PM or mail when we talked about investors to a mining project. I feel ashamed about that, actually. I will not do that again, cunt Wink

Echh... it was a long shot anyway



2006. Post 11508429 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 01, 2015, 07:10:45 PM
Reinforcement bids came on BFX.
Few coins on offer to short.
RSI is oversold.
Dumpers what ya gonna do now?  Roll Eyes


I just said in another thread - something needs to happen man, it's a god damn blood bath.
I'm bleeding from my jugular, I'll continue to HODL strong but Jesus, something or somebody needs to stop this never ending bear market.
We need some uber positive news to break ASAP, surely we won't drop below 200 USD again?
I'm not saying it won't happen, more hoping.
These are cheap ass coins people, take advantage of this!

R-tard investors have to stop raving about how great the blockchain is while bitching about how shit Bitcoin is. Get with the program! Bitcoin is the solution, not the problem. Fucking bastard bastards behaving like bastards. If I met one of these numbnuts I would say: Hey guy, you're a numbnut! That'll show him. That Numbnut.



2007. Post 11509349 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

$220, POP!



2008. Post 11509400 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

I hide my pain under the cloak of music.



2009. Post 11509581 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on June 01, 2015, 10:07:42 PM
I hide my pain under the cloak of music.
Cheesy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rlNpWYQunY

Niiiiiice

Here's the gangsta version. Crips style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nuwO9XGrPM



2010. Post 11509758 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: dakota neat on June 01, 2015, 10:43:30 PM
give up. sell now.



Nah...




2011. Post 11509786 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: fonzie on June 01, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
What happened?

Bad news or what?

Shocked

Hardfork in the making, exchanges getting hacked and robbed(Bitfinex), beeing bankrupt(OKCoin) or about to prepare an exit scam(BTC-E), and various other bullish things. Just the usual stuff..

What?

Btc-e scam? Shocked

dat russians

http://www.coindesk.com/btc-e-us-dollar-withdrawals-could-be-delayed-two-weeks/



You truly are The King of Fudsters



2012. Post 11512908 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 02, 2015, 07:40:09 AM
So 220 held over night, bit of bullish sentiment?  Wink Wink
Could we have found the bottom or are we expected to go any lower today?
Hopefully the dumps have stopped for now, I did pick up a few cheap coins yesterday though, it'd be rare for me to buy at the very bottom though lol.
What does everybody think, 220 a strong resistant bottom or can we go even lower?
 

If you look at BTC-E/EUR or Kraken/EUR 3 day charts you will see that it's not healthy for us to go much further down. The same charts tells us that we might go up to the $240s again. However, the strengthening dollar tells me we should be happy with the $220-$230s until a proper breakout occurs.

To anyone else, I know this isn't pro TA. Please shoot me down, but try to make it a cogent argument; not just poo-pooing.



2013. Post 11513552 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 02, 2015, 10:21:06 AM


some liquidity!

I give you the coins, now show me the money.
It's the scandinavian way.


Quote from: uhoh on June 02, 2015, 10:36:58 AM
light bulb miner guys. it's big

http://www.coindesk.com/bitfury-light-bulbs-mine-bitcoin/
Quote
"We believe that the project’s focus should not be on making money from bitcoin mining, but on creating innovative solutions with main purpose to use this product for educational purposes and fun."

Which one your girlfriend is more likely to come upstairs to see:

(a) the autographed photo of you and Justin Bieber;
(b) the pet rock that Granma gave you;
(c) your bitcoin-mining lamp?

But maybe one can use heat from a mining chip to drive a Lava Lamp?

Actually a better idea. The waste product is heat, so all they've made is a less efficient, hotter, LED lightbulb. Nonsense.

I'm just wondering how this is going to look like with the new wave of energy efficiency legislation. I can't buy a regular light bulb anymore because it's too energy inefficient, putting a miner in it won't help.

Edit: Not to mention encouraging people to leave their lights on for longer than needed.



2014. Post 11514338 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: shmadz on June 02, 2015, 12:53:06 PM
I want a bitcoin miner in my hot tub.

Absolutely no reason that all electric space heaters won't eventually be replaced with mining rigs, in my opinion.
+1



2015. Post 11514800 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on June 02, 2015, 01:38:57 PM



Absolutely no reason that all electric space heaters won't eventually be replaced with mining rigs, in my opinion.

am a bit afraid of a 51% attack of self-aware heaters  Smiley

That aside, you can't troll heaters as mining rigs, well during winter/in cold countries at least. I kept warm a room with my gpus when i was mining, was nice  Smiley

That can be fixed with proper cooling.




2016. Post 11516606 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 02, 2015, 05:26:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Unocoin/status/605776517121974272

Almost 2 years ago we had same twitts about China  Wink

Bitcoin should definitely find its place in India. It could bridge the technology gap in finance in the country.



2017. Post 11516679 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: inca on June 02, 2015, 05:33:50 PM
there are four ages: the warriors, the priests, the scientists and the merchants.

we live in the age of the merchants. they destroy the society and bring the world to end. after that the warriors take over and set up order again.

bitcoin was born at the wrong time. the idea was good, but it can only fail in this enviroment.

sell now. there may be other times where crypto can flourish.

Book talking can be pretty obvious, especially when you say directly 'sell' in every post. Try masquerading it a little.

Dakota is bored, but it's tricky to troll when you don't want to lose your account.



2018. Post 11517215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: macsga on June 02, 2015, 06:39:49 PM
Seems the next price rally will be held by India. Anyone has a citar? Roll Eyes


We could pimp one of these as a tribute:



A bit hard to know where to begin.



2019. Post 11517424 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: empowering on June 02, 2015, 07:14:11 PM
Seems the next price rally will be held by India. Anyone has a citar? Roll Eyes


We could pimp one of these as a tribute:



A bit hard to know where to begin.


paint job, install 1 large incense offering temple upon dashboard to obsure most of the drivers view, also a ganesh statue, paint a large brightly coloured psychedelic elephant down the side of vehicle, and attach a bench to the front bumper... add some oversized and hideous sounding horns....

not rascist at all.

Echh... Top Gear has done that already.


If we redo the grill, lights, front bumper, hood, and interior, paint it in black and cross our fingers, it might look like a decent 10 year old SUV.



2020. Post 11517443 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 02, 2015, 07:22:09 PM
What if
-creepy Keanu pic-
India ends up owning all the bitcoin?

Then they must have paid me a ton of money, so I don't give a flying fudge.



2021. Post 11517608 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: empowering on June 02, 2015, 07:28:18 PM
snip

Echh... Top Gear has done that already.


If we redo the grill, lights, front bumper, hood, and interior, paint it in black and cross our fingers, it might look like a decent 10 year old SUV.


yeah.... they would have done wouldn't they.

Tsk.

May's Bentley was their best attempt at diplomacy:



Clarky's Jag with a toilet on the back, justified with: "This is perfect for India because everyone who comes here gets the trots," didn't go down as well.




2022. Post 11517679 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: empowering on June 02, 2015, 07:47:07 PM
Maybe they could just let clarkson punch hammond in the face over and over again, as a fill in for Top Gear.

I would watch it.

(ok bit harsh, I do not actually have that strong an opinion tbh)

In Clarksons defence, he did punch Piers Morgan. Three times.



2023. Post 11518169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 02, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
Quote
"If the euro is the problem, switching to bitcoin would be like trying to cure a headache with a bullet to the brain."
this is so depressing...

I don't get it. Is this bad news? Greece was never going to switch to BTC. The idea some entertained was that a small part of the population would freak out at the last minute before restrictions set in and buy some coins. That still seems like a fairly plausible scenario. And with bitcoins liquidity it doesn't take much to raise the price by quite a bit.



2024. Post 11518638 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: gizmoh on June 02, 2015, 09:41:43 PM
Lawsky talking tomorrow:

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press/pr1506021.htm

Ready for tomorrow's FOMO upwards?  Wink



2025. Post 11520654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

I'll just throw this in here and watch the carnage.

http://www.wired.com/2015/06/tech-behind-bitcoin-stop-next-snowden/



2026. Post 11520793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: asuryan180 on June 03, 2015, 04:42:39 AM
I'll just throw this in here and watch the carnage.

http://www.wired.com/2015/06/tech-behind-bitcoin-stop-next-snowden/

Thanks for sharing, Good read. Btc to the moon now? LOL..If you look at the charts to hard to argue for some move up.
Im still gonna be buying my weekly btc but chances are its still going to continue to drop.
Anyone disagree here?

Everyone at Tradingview and Whaleclub feel pretty confident we're going down to about $150.
I don't. All this good news needs to kick in soon.
As other markets wind down for the summer, people will get the chance to talk, look into and play around with BTC.



2027. Post 11521480 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: madmat on June 03, 2015, 07:13:09 AM
Leaked image of a 21.co household appliance with embedded mining chip:



(This is only a low-power protopype with Wifi, NFC, Bluetooth, and USB. The production version will have also G3/G4, HDMI, and a power plug rated 30A.)

So you work for them Smiley

Tip: Remove your name on the photos before posting.

Even Stolfi is bored. The irony.



2028. Post 11524644 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 03, 2015, 02:44:21 PM
rocket launch T-45mins




2029. Post 11524846 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

http://www.coindesk.com/new-york-releases-final-bitlicense/



2030. Post 11525031 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on June 03, 2015, 03:44:48 PM
BITLISENZZE BITCHEZZZ!!!!



2031. Post 11525076 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: empowering on June 03, 2015, 04:00:43 PM
So Twinkies..... ermmm.......................... this ETF/ Gemini  what's ermmm...... happening there then hmmm?


(also in the highly likely scenario that Gemini use a shuttle countdown gif.... well.......... you know........don't lose your shit)



The Twinkletossers better get a move on now.



2032. Post 11525644 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ny-financial-regulator-lawsky-releases-final-bitlicense-rules-for-bitcoin-firms-1433345396



2033. Post 11525720 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

SOONTM




2034. Post 11525786 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

You bastards....



2035. Post 11525853 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 03, 2015, 05:32:16 PM
You bastards....

You chose it !
I think it is your subconscious fear expressing itself through art
Just grab the duvet, all will be fine

It's an actual picture of the earth from behind the moon!!!

We're going to the moon!!!

It's not going to crash!!!

I'm all pumped up and you guys are mocking me!!!

It's not fair!!!



2036. Post 11525933 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 03, 2015, 05:39:10 PM
You bastards....

You chose it !
I think it is your subconscious fear expressing itself through art
Just grab the duvet, all will be fine

It's an actual picture of the earth from behind the moon!!!

We're going to the moon!!!

It's not going to crash!!!

I'm all pumped up and you guys are mocking me!!!

It's not fair!!!


You are already on the moon - it's time to come home Fatman. We got futbol and beer here  Grin
I don't wanna...



2037. Post 11525962 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: BayAreaCoins on June 03, 2015, 05:47:39 PM
I don't wanna...

No worries we will make it to $230's or almost today I'd bet.
Sweet...




2038. Post 11526103 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Norway on June 03, 2015, 05:58:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8sNiawoG8o&feature=youtu.be

Bullish!
Definitely!



2039. Post 11526276 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on June 03, 2015, 06:22:30 PM
2 dollars up woot woot
ftfy



2040. Post 11528219 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: fonzie on June 03, 2015, 10:45:08 PM
Never forget:


-snip-


Price was ~ 500$ that day!

So, what are you moderating nowadays?



2041. Post 11528266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 03, 2015, 10:51:46 PM
Never forget:


-snip-


Price was ~ 500$ that day!

So, what are you moderating nowadays?

You calorie intake ... no more than $200 per day ... for your own good

But then I would have to change my nick



2042. Post 11528458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 03, 2015, 11:14:59 PM
<snip>
You calorie intake ... no more than $200 per day ... for your own good

But then I would have to change my nick

Fatman199 ??

LoCalMan ??

C'mon, admit it, you starving to death on that desert moon  Cheesy

Or are the rumours true and it really is made of cheese ...



2043. Post 11528521 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: aztecminer on June 03, 2015, 11:14:24 PM
let me know when it's buy time. i have problems staying motivated to read the forum when i am not active. i been sitting on coins for over a year. trading is the only time i really can be motivated to be involved.
Well, it's nice to see you here again. I don't think there's much point in trading now before we get some big moves, so unless the price moves to below the low 210s or beyond the high 240s it's probably not much point in staring at the charts atm. For the last couple of weeks finex's volume has been hovering right above the 5k mark most of the time. Even bots can't be bothered. So, IMO just jump on the wagon when a direction is confirmed.



2044. Post 11528641 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: fonzie on June 04, 2015, 12:01:54 AM
Dump your worthless tokens, buy some real money with it as it is still possbile.
You donīt have to suffer. Get reliefed of that cancer called Bitcoin. Enjoy life.



2045. Post 11528696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: spud21 on June 04, 2015, 12:13:06 AM
Statements from the Winklevoss twins soon?  They were just waiting on this Bitlic correct?

Hopefully they say they are moving their business out of NY. Tongue

Still thinking we see a bit of a bump this evening.

Don't they have to wait for SEC approval for the ETF? Are they considering opening the Gemini exchange before the ETF?

If they are I suppose it will take quite some time to process their application for a bitLicense.

I would think they are releasing Gemini first in order to have a way to provide liquidity to the ETF. Please correct me if I'm way off (and not by just saying I'm way off).



2046. Post 11528827 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: spud21 on June 04, 2015, 12:21:52 AM
Statements from the Winklevoss twins soon?  They were just waiting on this Bitlic correct?

Hopefully they say they are moving their business out of NY. Tongue

Still thinking we see a bit of a bump this evening.

Don't they have to wait for SEC approval for the ETF? Are they considering opening the Gemini exchange before the ETF?

If they are I suppose it will take quite some time to process their application for a bitLicense.

I would think they are releasing Gemini first in order to have a way to provide liquidity to the ETF. Please correct me if I'm way off (and not by just saying I'm way off).

I haven't got a clue, but the bitLicense has taken so long to arrive that I'm dubious about how fast they will process applications for it. I suspect it might be at a snails pace, although I'm only guessing.

If they say the process costs 5k there's obviously a bit of work involved. I would be surprised if we saw it approved before sep-oct. But it looked like you can run your business while you're waiting for the application to be processed (I just can't find where I read that atm).



2047. Post 11529093 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 04, 2015, 12:50:12 AM
FWIW I'm seriously thinking to cut my loose at $200. I want to be ready for $1xx. Sad

This rift in the core developer camp is really starting to eat at me. I honestly don't know on what side of the debate I fall. I like Gavin, but tell me we're not becoming Ripple. Someone please tell me that.
Wasn't there some talk about an 8MB compromise? For regular users there is no "side" to take. If a hard fork lasts for more than a few hours we are really going to see both double and single digits. But they can't be that stupid.



2048. Post 11530930 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on June 04, 2015, 07:56:56 AM
Coin
Explanation


ChartBuddy ded?



2049. Post 11531114 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 04, 2015, 02:05:30 AM
FWIW I'm seriously thinking to cut my loose at $200. I want to be ready for $1xx. Sad

This rift in the core developer camp is really starting to eat at me. I honestly don't know on what side of the debate I fall. I like Gavin, but tell me we're not becoming Ripple. Someone please tell me that.
Wasn't there some talk about an 8MB compromise? For regular users there is no "side" to take. If a hard fork lasts for more than a few hours we are really going to see both double and single digits. But they can't be that stupid.

Yes there is a side to take. If BTC can be hard-forked, how can it be totally trusted as a Store of Value? Currency, in and out, sure, no problem. But if someone has the power to hard fork, we are back to centralisation again, which is the antithesis of BTC. Does not matter if it is put out there as 2 options for people to choose between. Fact remains, there is the power to change the parameters, push out a fork, and the value of your savings is dependent upon what the majority choose. Does not sound like the trustless currency that I thought BTC was.
That's pretty much the essence of a 51% attack, it's just a bit weird that Gavin is considering one.



2050. Post 11531271 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on June 04, 2015, 08:57:29 AM
Coin
Explanation




2051. Post 11531634 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Come to think of it, If you've bought BTC in 2015 chances are that you haven't lost much money. Bullish!



2052. Post 11532758 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: shmadz on June 04, 2015, 12:35:58 PM
It is not about HD space, it is about "what?? you can halt and fork the whole thing while i am sleeping and next morning am on the worthless losing fork? WTF!".

After the hard fork, you will automatiall have the same amount of bitcoins in both chains.  Hopefully a consensus would have been reached before that time so one of the clones will be worthles and unusable for lack of miners, and "bitcoin" will be the other clone.  In the unlikely chance that both versions survive, if you have the privatekeys you will be able to move or sell each clone independently by using the proper version of the software.


What's to prevent miners from merge-mining both "clones" ?



One blockchain will have to decide to merge mine with the other. That blockchain would automatically be considered the loser shitcoin bitcoin.



2053. Post 11533557 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 04, 2015, 02:46:52 PM
BFX offer side looking much thinner than it has done recently... rally time ??
yup



2054. Post 11533578 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 04, 2015, 02:50:34 PM
BFX offer side looking much thinner than it has done recently... rally time ??
yup

You been eatin all the coins again ??  Grin
If you think you've seen shitcoins...



2055. Post 11534097 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 04, 2015, 04:02:35 PM

Hmmm ... that's a bit confident isn't it? Going to war in your pants ??
They died, seems apt



2056. Post 11534131 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 04, 2015, 04:05:38 PM
if satoshi was with us today we'd already be at a 20MB limit.
...looks like he was in charge when  the 1MB limit was introduced.

Maybe this will end up with a Satoshi and Gavin showdown.




2057. Post 11534201 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 04, 2015, 04:16:40 PM
if satoshi was with us today we'd already be at a 20MB limit.
...looks like he was in charge when  the 1MB limit was introduced.


he also said to up the limit as time went on and network grew...

Makes sense. I really think this is a storm in a teacup. People will be disappointed at how mundane and boring this will resolve itself.



2058. Post 11534353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 04, 2015, 04:33:04 PM
if satoshi was with us today we'd already be at a 20MB limit.
...looks like he was in charge when  the 1MB limit was introduced.


he also said to up the limit as time went on and network grew...

Makes sense. I really think this is a storm in a teacup. People will be disappointed at how mundane and boring this will resolve itself.

lol for real, it's crazy how all up in arms people can get here about small things. in the end 90% of the argument is purely for the fun of arguing, and the update will be accepted by all.

No it's not  Grin
lol



2059. Post 11535969 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: dakota neat on June 04, 2015, 06:05:19 PM
give up, buy now
lol



2060. Post 11537213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: dakota neat on June 04, 2015, 10:54:55 PM
let it go. sell everything.

It's $800 too late



2061. Post 11537306 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):


I don't like this, we're supposed to go up!




2062. Post 11539406 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: inca on June 05, 2015, 06:47:29 AM
Shorts at 28500.



I could understand this if we had actually broken down to the 210s, but 28500 here makes little sense. Looks like covering shorters are going to keep us afloat for a while.



2063. Post 11539473 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: inca on June 05, 2015, 06:58:40 AM
Big player shorts then sells, lemmings follow. Stack bids and start covering and buying as college kids short into the bids. Big buy forces new shorts to exit at a loss. Price moves back up. Rinse and repeat. Oh and add in a few useful idiots preaching doom on here.
Do you really think they are useful? Entertaining, yes. But useful?



2064. Post 11540345 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 05, 2015, 09:07:38 AM
I don't know who bought those overpriced coins, but they are dumping so hard on bitstamp that its UI is going bananas. 2 frames per second.

LOL. That makes zero sense. BFX goes to $229, Stamp to $219
WTF ??  Cheesy



He knows what he is doing



Price too boring. Market goes full retard.




2065. Post 11541018 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: gizmoh on June 05, 2015, 11:10:56 AM
From Gemini Instagram, Launching soon:

https://instagram.com/geminidotcom/

Rocket to Moon:  Cool
https://instagram.com/p/3e2gb8hNuJ/?taken-by=geminidotcom

Yup, moon

http://www.coindesk.com/nyse-chairman-millennials-trust-bitcoin-more-than-fiat/



2066. Post 11541046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 05, 2015, 11:16:58 AM

Millennials don't make money yet.

But they spend money.



2067. Post 11541393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.16h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on June 05, 2015, 12:10:42 PM



When it was at $300.



I even like the two, just don't trust rocket launch countdown things  Grin

Spaceflight is hard. It's risky. And sometimes you have a RUD (Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly).



2068. Post 11544038 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 05, 2015, 06:12:40 PM
seriously so much time has probably been wasted talking about this its not even funny
increase the limit and start working on ways ( sidechain or wtv) to reduce traffic on the main chain.
if i saw this happening in a calm and orderly fashion i'd send more fiat to the exchange, but i see Okcoin bitch and complain.

grrrrr
Chillax, Adam! This is your "throw-monkey-poo-on-the-wall-and-see-if-it-sticks" thread, not the Bitcoin Brain Trust. We really want to help you, but we're kind of stupid. And most of us aren't even devs.



2069. Post 11544144 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 05, 2015, 06:31:14 PM

Chillax, Adam! This is your "throw-monkey-poo-on-the-wall-and-see-if-it-sticks" thread, not the Bitcoin Brain Trust. We really want too help you, but we're kind of stupid. And most of us aren't even devs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KaWPYOLuT8

That reminds me...see you in 15.



2070. Post 11545477 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: alesx.onfire on June 05, 2015, 09:37:36 PM
Dumpity dumpity dump?


Where?



2071. Post 11546726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):



BTC-E



Quote from: chmod755 on June 06, 2015, 01:19:02 AM
I warned about BTC-e in one of my most recents posts and now they are down. Is this a joke or something?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38qmmf/btce_is_entirely_down_claiming_datacenter_issues/

I can imagine a host of issues when US and EU regulators starts throwing their weight around. It had to happen. Just a matter of time.



2072. Post 11546982 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Brewins on June 06, 2015, 02:50:18 AM
All sites are subject to offline time sometimes. Like Bitcointalk.

It's too soon to panic
Perhaps, but Bitcoin might not want to wait.



2073. Post 11547084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: chmod755 on June 06, 2015, 02:58:10 AM
All sites are subject to offline time sometimes. Like Bitcointalk.

It's too soon to panic

Of course. Let's see how this works out.

15 minutes ago: Maintenance is almost done. After checking all our databases the service will come online. Thanks.

That is great news! Thx!

Disaster averted!




2074. Post 11547399 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: WillyBTC on June 06, 2015, 04:31:41 AM
this market is so flat, i've hardly opened the chart at all the past few weeks.... where's the volatility?

We're keeping it stable for a while so people stop saying that Bitcoin cannot be stable (some people complained about volatility in the past, now it's traders complaining)

Enough stability. This is painful. I'll take a doom drop to $100 if it will bring some life back to the market. Undecided

You know what to do. Just turn on your bot.



2075. Post 11548277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 06, 2015, 07:39:02 AM
possible trend reversal this weekend?

Upward?

It hasn't gone down or up... It's stalemate.

The fork talk isn't over but that isn't happening any time soon.

Price has gotta go somewhere. What reason for it to go down after this brief recess?

I just sold so I assume that means it will go up now. Wink



2076. Post 11548501 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

I had him on unignore for 2s.

Life is regret.



2077. Post 11548932 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: magicmexican on June 06, 2015, 10:04:01 AM
What do you think the current odds of breaking 300$ in 2015 are?
100%



2078. Post 11551972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Relax, we'll be heading north next week. I feel it in my Bones.




2079. Post 11552355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: 12345mm on June 06, 2015, 07:38:47 PM


Baahaahaa!!!

Classic lambie



2080. Post 11557339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on June 07, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
Whether it's good or bad I am the one who always says I'll buy a little each month but that never happens. I leave it for months then buy a fairly large amount in a binge buy.

I am waiting in the sidelines to make my next purchase. I have no idea which way it'll go but I still look at the price about 5 times daily (rather than every 5 minutes end of November 2013!)

I am ready btc, tell me what you are doing and stop being boring.
Not a bad idea to get a confirmation of the direction before you go all in. I'd say if we blast past $260 it's pretty much confirmed upwards and still cheap.



2081. Post 11557705 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: abercrombie on June 07, 2015, 02:30:22 PM
is crypto done??  Huh


Nope, just whales painting red candles to try rattle some TA cages.



2082. Post 11558163 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 07, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
Good work bears! Didn't believe I will be able to open new long so quick  Cheesy


quoted for posterity.

price is sitting at 224.
Hi Tarmi! Long time no see.




2083. Post 11563366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Someone is doing something, that's for sure. Just hope they can get us out of this 225 rut.



2084. Post 11565920 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on June 08, 2015, 02:30:48 PM
Desperation of bagholders here is getting more and more entertaining.
+-3$ movement and already so much drama.
Maybe I should feel bad for the people here, but I really don't. They are the victims of their own stupidity and greed.
Heartwarming



2085. Post 11565961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on June 08, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
Attack on 230 is up next. Enjoy.
Thx! Fight the good fight!



2086. Post 11567566 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Tapped that 230 in da ass



2087. Post 11568245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

SoonTM




2088. Post 11568392 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Sitarow on June 08, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
This week will be a good week. Bears will have to cut their losses.

Wow, $5 jump and already bear funeral announced. Bulls must be desperate when they celebrate something like this. Bearish.

Yeah, it's almost as ridiculous as the jackass braying of the beartards with every $2 drop as confirmation that we're headed for double digits and labeling the subsequent correction back as a Dead Cat Bounce.

C'mon people, let's not get over-excited about every minor price movement.

Smiley

With all due respect, nay sayers may be blithering idiots, however I respect their ability to at least make a decision, even if it ends up being completely wrong.

"Acting is happy agony" - JPS



2089. Post 11569014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: galdur on June 08, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
The White House today denied that Pres. Obama had said at a Mob sit-down over in Germany that the strength of the dollar was a problem. Which obviously was interpreted as a confirmation that he had in fact stated exactly that.
A strong dollar is bad for exports. The US needs to turn the trade deficit around.



2090. Post 11569134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Trouble821 on June 08, 2015, 09:31:44 PM

I followed the twitter link that phoenix1 posted and the insta account is definitely the winks. I thought they would have done a better job of it though. I expect people to post rocket pictures here but I thought they would be above that on their insta account.

Why would they? Rockets are cool!



2091. Post 11572874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Dotto on June 09, 2015, 10:10:00 AM
Good morning fellow bitcoiners. Im breakfasting half-a-bitcoin. It tastes digital and cryptodelicious, I wonder how it will smell when I poop it. Experiences?
Like Dogecoin, Monero or any other shitcoin.



2092. Post 11575199 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Tzupy on June 09, 2015, 02:40:44 PM
So all this up was shorting closing, sadly the price didn't move much but shorts closed were a huge amount. If there is no followup things are not looking good at all

Some 6k shorts closed, a few more longs opened, which are now at the highest level since August 2014, guess what's coming next weekend? Wink
Except shorts are looking more nervous than longs atm. It looks more like people are jumping out of short positions before the summer sets in. Like May 2014.



2093. Post 11578451 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on June 09, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
Bought another 1.5 bitcoin earlier, I just figure that even if we don't go to the moon then buying in now it's still easily achievable to double your money by the time the next halving comes.
My priority is to HODL my stash, it's what I've done since the very first day I entered the world of bitcoin but seriously people now is a great time to buy in.
Interest rates in banks are embarrassingly low, bitcoin is the perfect way to make a great return on your money especially now when the price is low. I'm thinking we'll reach at least 400 USD as a result of the next halving so what are you waiting for?
BUY BUY BUY !!!!!!

Dear Bull,

Thank you for your money. Please come again.

Love,

Smart Trader
sounds like he shagged you



2094. Post 11581126 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on June 10, 2015, 12:22:39 AM
Bought another 1.5 bitcoin earlier, I just figure that even if we don't go to the moon then buying in now it's still easily achievable to double your money by the time the next halving comes.
My priority is to HODL my stash, it's what I've done since the very first day I entered the world of bitcoin but seriously people now is a great time to buy in.
Interest rates in banks are embarrassingly low, bitcoin is the perfect way to make a great return on your money especially now when the price is low. I'm thinking we'll reach at least 400 USD as a result of the next halving so what are you waiting for?
BUY BUY BUY !!!!!!

Dear Bull,

Thank you for your money. Please come again.

Love,

Smart Trader
sounds like he shagged you

Nope, but that was your mom.

Oh, I forgot, you have 2 fathers, sorry.  Wink

You were shagged by my 2 dads as well?
 
I knew bears had it bad, but that's rough!



2095. Post 11583154 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on June 10, 2015, 02:02:21 PM
DanV update:



https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/6S9Si6F7-BTCUSD-STILL-REMAINS-IN-OVERALL-BEARISH-CYCLE-UPDATE/
Thx,

I understand that he is a respected analyst, but didn't his last chart put us in the low 100s by now?



2096. Post 11583486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: biggus dickus on June 10, 2015, 02:12:54 PM

That was from about two days ago when the price was around 229. He said that prediction was only valid if the price topped out at around 229. It's gone up to 232 since then so it's looking like it might not work out as he predicted.

Are these predictions that sensitive? You could say it overshot a bit and the top is $229, which it seems to be hovering around atm.



2097. Post 11583721 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 10, 2015, 03:02:51 PM
DanV update:

<snip>
Thx,

I understand that he is a respected analyst, but didn't his last chart put us in the low 100s by now?

Late June - August was his timeframe for that count

Still, we are not making much progress towards it!

Just looking at this from May,



June 10th is at $133-$134.




2098. Post 11583774 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 10, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
@Fatman

Can you read the bit that says 'Back end of June to August' ?  Wink
At the bottom of the red arrow ? That is his target zone ... price and time

(X)I know you want to slice him up, but not reading what he has posted is not the way to do it
Nope, I don't think I'm looking at the same stuff as you do.

Edit: Ok, I'm there,sry

Edit 2: Regarding X. No, I want him to start posting choo choo trains!



2099. Post 11583932 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 10, 2015, 03:45:37 PM
@Fatman

Can you read the bit that says 'Back end of June to August' ?  Wink
At the bottom of the red arrow ? That is his target zone ... price and time

(X)I know you want to slice him up, but not reading what he has posted is not the way to do it
Nope, I don't think I'm looking at the same stuff as you do.

Edit: Ok, I'm there,sry

Edit 2: Regarding X. No, I want him to start posting choo choo trains!

LOL!! I see, you want him to post bullish counts and be right ! Fair Enough !
Unfortunately, even if we go above $250 (which would invalidate that particular chart), I'm afraid he won't be doing that yet. Sorry, he's going to have to remain in your 'unfavoured analysts list' a while longer  Cheesy

Consistently! I wanna buy a boat too!




HONK! HONK!



2100. Post 11584208 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 10, 2015, 04:24:20 PM

Consistently! I wanna buy a boat too!




HONK! HONK!

FTFY
Go for it!! Today !!

Remember, give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

You bastard, I told you never to show it to anyone.



2101. Post 11585417 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: dakota neat on June 10, 2015, 04:02:41 PM
let's end this embarrassing pathetic bear market finally. it lasted way to long.
i'm tired of the ugliness.

but still. better lose a few k fiat before missing the train when this thing lifts off.
believe me. i've been through both. fomo is much worse and that's because deep inside you know what bitcoin will be.

give up, bears. you can be happy again and leave the ugliness.

???? 80% down? You're hard to please.



2102. Post 11585634 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

I don't know what this means, but I am throwing all I've got at this thing.




2103. Post 11585825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):



There's something about russian rockets, they're just so cool. Too bad they don't want Bitcoin. We could have launched this mofo with style.



2104. Post 11586430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 10, 2015, 08:30:30 PM
another highly bullishly biased post on bitmovements https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796276.msg11585959#new  Cheesy
I imagine you reading this out loud with a fat sigar nestled in the corner of your mouth.



2105. Post 11586698 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on June 10, 2015, 09:27:09 PM

Why do you hate yourself bro ?


If you can't find something to hate yourself for then you're not looking hard enough.



2106. Post 11589707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

I'm starting to wonder if we'll get a bitcoin trade surge if Bitmains new S7 machines, rumored the be released in July, are competitively specced. A lot of people will want to pay with BTC.



2107. Post 11591480 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Dilla on June 11, 2015, 11:41:37 AM
Doom: no date for Gemini or ETF
Boom: Gemini and ETF launching

All eyes are on this tonight I believe.


Bitcoin is more than the twinkletossers.



2108. Post 11592641 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 11, 2015, 09:45:29 AM
That hash rate spike... KNC and their new chips?
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

Also: https://blockchain.info/sl/charts/n-transactions

Not according to www.blockchain.info/pools

I see antpool has been silly lucky lately without any extra hashingpower. It looks like it's the same for the whole network. Nothing has moved. KnC is still around 5-6%.



2109. Post 11592818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 11, 2015, 03:40:21 PM
http://cointelegraph.com/news/114537/russia-expected-to-legalize-bitcoin-p2p-transactions

Maybe we will finally see some smart moves from Russia Grin


Not according to www.blockchain.info/pools

I see antpool has been silly lucky lately without any extra hashingpower. It looks like it's the same for the whole network. Nothing has moved. KnC is still around 5-6%.

They don't find much more blocks as second largest pool...

Exactly, so the whole network is lucky. It happens sometimes. Don't know why. Maybe some brainy people can chime in.



2110. Post 11594448 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on June 11, 2015, 07:17:36 PM

Max Keiser is a Pump-and-Dumping scammer.  In my book he deserves zero respect, even if he gets it right once in a while (which he will of course loudly publicize, in order to build enough credit to initiate his next P&D).

He's a FOX-grade nutter living in London working for the propaganda machine of the russian government. Colourful, but wholly untrustworthy.

Edit: With regards to his tweet and the article mentioned before. We've seen this before. The central bank says one thing, the finance ministry says another thing, the parliament says a third. But as long as the siloviki and Putin hasn't made a final decision, it can go either way. I, however, fear that they will ban it in the end and that this is just another attempt at imitating debate and simulating a democratic process, which is something they can do with matters they don't give a flying fudge about.



2111. Post 11594547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 11, 2015, 07:24:20 PM

Max Keiser is a Pump-and-Dumping scammer.  In my book he deserves zero respect, even if he gets it right once in a while (which he will of course loudly publicize, in order to build enough credit to initiate his next P&D).

He's a FOX-grade nutter living in London working for the propaganda machine of the russian government. Colourful, but wholly untrustworthy.

Is there somewhere we can go Max leverage short ?

OKCoin, always OKCoin.



2112. Post 11594580 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on June 11, 2015, 07:23:31 PM

Max Keiser is a Pump-and-Dumping scammer.  In my book he deserves zero respect, even if he gets it right once in a while (which he will of course loudly publicize, in order to build enough credit to initiate his next P&D).

He is.
But he also was the face of Bitcoin once, as Roger Ver is now and Bruce Wagner was before him. It's just takes a certain personality trait. That makes me wonder why Roger "GoX is fine" Ver is still hold in so high regard.

He's (Edit: Roger Ver) not, but he talks funny. Proper nerd. So we listen.



2113. Post 11594956 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on June 11, 2015, 08:17:22 PM
God, this is killing me  Undecided

Even Chartbuddy dozed off. I'm just getting "Invalid image" from him.



2114. Post 11595004 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: ronald98 on June 11, 2015, 08:35:59 PM

Max Keiser is a Pump-and-Dumping scammer.  In my book he deserves zero respect, even if he gets it right once in a while (which he will of course loudly publicize, in order to build enough credit to initiate his next P&D).

He is.
But he also was the face of Bitcoin once, as Roger Ver is now and Bruce Wagner was before him. It's just takes a certain personality trait. That makes me wonder why Roger "GoX is fine" Ver is still hold in so high regard.

He's not, but he talks funny. Proper nerd. So we listen.

I don't trust Max Keiser because first he supported Max coin, then disowned it and claimed it was nothing to do with him. He changed his tune too much for my liking. If he has already done it with an alt coin then he will probably do the same with any Bitcoin related project he gets involved in.

Sry, I meant Ver.



2115. Post 11595284 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on June 11, 2015, 08:51:58 PM
Sry, I meant Ver.

What attributes of nerddom does Roger Ver posses? If anything he's a proper libertarian and resonates with that crowd. But nerd?
George W. Bush also talks funny.
He speaks very fast with a bit of a nerd lisp, a nerdish "always on guard" attitude and monotone voice, not really caring if people listen to him.  A bit like Norman Chan from Tested, who is an ũber-nerd. A King among nerds. Ver tends to over-articulate to avoid the lisp though. That, coupled with a rather blank facial expression makes his facial movements look artificial. Perhaps it's a libertarian thing too, but it screams nerd to me.



2116. Post 11598053 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

So, the tinkletossers can't speak about the ETF and can't guess on Gemini. But they do, so they say weeks. Not really a surprise, but it would've been nice to see something kick the price upwards.

Edit:  

Finex punched through $230 !!!




2117. Post 11598518 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

BITCOIN!!!! WAKE UP!!!




2118. Post 11600255 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: empowering on June 12, 2015, 01:13:05 PM
It may well be possible that the greece public will adapt BTC as an unofficial currency for everyday use.

If a large group adopts bitcoin now, at the current price or at a higher price, they would be sharing their wealth with the early adopters in proportion.

For example, if Greece adopted bitcoin, and 9 million BTC were circulating there with a value equivalent to 10'000 USD/BTC, then Satoshi's 1 million BTC would allow him to buy 10 billion USD worth of Greek property.  Greece then would become 10 billion USD poorer.

That is why no sane government should allow privately issued money: the people who issue it take wealth from those who use it.

When the government issues more money, the government is taking wealth from its citizens, so it is just another tax.  It may be a stupid kind of tax, but people tolerate it because the government is supposed to give that wealth back as public services. 

When the banks issue more money through fractional reserve lending, they are taking that wealth for themselves.  Citizens should not tolerate that, but most do not understand what is going on.  I have only a foggy notion myself...

Good thing there is no such thing as a sane government

Bitcoins are issued by miners, who pay to keep the network secure. Thus making bitcoins valuable. There are no freebies.



2119. Post 11601370 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on June 12, 2015, 02:53:58 PM
Bitcoins are issued by miners, who pay to keep the network secure. Thus making bitcoins valuable. There are no freebies.

Even miners who sell immediately are making a profit that comes entirely from people who buy bitcoins expecting to profit from them by that mechanism I described.

Miners who mined long ago and held, as well as the early adopters who bought thousands of coins for nearly nothing, are just like the issuers of private money who keep some of their issuance to spend when it has been accepted as currency by other people.
Of course, miners need to stay profitable. That's part of the security. It wouldn't be worth much if the whole system was shut down every summer or Christmas. But not everyone who buys bitcoins expect to make a profit. There are a lot of speculators in bitcoin now, but a a growing number of people use bitcoin for money/wealth transfer. Most notably in your neighboring country, Argentina. Your assumption is that it's a zero sum game. A pyramid-like structure. But if there is wealth creation in the network itself, if Bitcoin has utility, then that assumption is wrong.

Regarding early adopters. It's not called socialist-coin. Yes, there will be concentration of money. There always is. But that is not freshly minted coins. The market is aware of them and will gradually take them into account as the Bitcoin-economy grows in reach and sophistication.



2120. Post 11602510 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: aztecminer on June 12, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
Can we expect that the price goes $235 for to night ?


the vote says it is going to crash below 226.
Fortunately we're always wrong.



2121. Post 11603070 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 12, 2015, 07:28:26 PM
Why should it crash, the chart looks like to say it will actually rise ?

That's why.

its being accepted by merchants, this is bearish
there's an increasing amount of TX's on the network, this is bearish
charts seems to be setting up to paint a rocket, this is bearish.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Oh yeah! Burn MotherFucker BURN!!!




2122. Post 11603710 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: var53 on June 12, 2015, 09:03:57 PM
Why should it crash, the chart looks like to say it will actually rise ?

That's why.

its being accepted by merchants, this is bearish
there's an increasing amount of TX's on the network, this is bearish
charts seems to be setting up to paint a rocket, this is bearish.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

You bast**d, it's gone down by over a dollar since you posted that. When even a bull turns bearish it's guaranteed to crash the whole market. A few more posts like that and we will be back in double digits. Someone's just put up a massive fake leveraged wall. It might disappear if you start making bullish posts again.

Will....try....to.....fix.....









2123. Post 11603929 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

At least people can't complain about liquidity. You could do a 10k market buy now without moving the price.



2124. Post 11603998 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Bicmac1973 on June 12, 2015, 10:12:31 PM
Such events usually coincide with DDOS attacks on bitcointalk. I wonder why the site is still reachable ...

I was just thinking the same thing. Good weekend y'all, just in case we're off soon!



2125. Post 11610757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BitofaN1 on June 13, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Moon?

Unless you jinx it with your nick.

"Each of the four attempts to launch an N1 failed; during the second launch attempt the N1 rocket crashed back onto its launch pad shortly after liftoff and exploded, resulting in one of the largest artificial non-nuclear explosions in human history. The N1 program was suspended in 1974, and in 1976 was officially canceled. Along with the rest of the Soviet manned Moon programs..."

Edit: But it looked badass!




2126. Post 11611299 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Let's not get too excited here. Someone bought some coins. Whoopdidoo...



2127. Post 11611458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 13, 2015, 10:32:42 PM


Too soon ??

I doubt the moon.

I like the healthy and slowly steady upwards moving.

Don't forget about the defination of the moon from the prespecative of each of us.

For me for example, moon is not here, it's in 2025.

TBH I was taking the piss ... after the 10k ask wall yesterday and now a small bump supported by big bids below, the whole thing feels artificail. Where it ends .. no idea .. but it feels like we are being toyed with  Undecided



It also feels like they're not making a lot of money on this crap anymore.



2128. Post 11611720 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 13, 2015, 11:27:08 PM

I agree  Wink
And in this transitional phase price can do pretty much whatever the fuck it wants , as long as it complies with the unspoken rules of whale-dick fights

Caveat:  If it takes too long, whales will shoot their load on the next, more evolved, cryto-cum project, if it happens  and they think they can get more licks for their bucks there Grin


Sounds like someone needs to rub one off.

Here, this should do the trick:



Quote from: Fakhoury on June 13, 2015, 11:37:27 PM
As gentlemand told me, in 10 years, either people will call us idiots or heroes, but 99% we will be SUPERHEROS.

I've even got a superhero name.



2129. Post 11613304 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):





2130. Post 11613456 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: okthen on June 14, 2015, 07:49:00 AM
We're getting bored eh?
I miss when 10 dollar daily rises seemed normal...

We're heading there. Warp Speed!



Yes... a bit bored.



2131. Post 11613757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on June 14, 2015, 08:45:11 AM
Bitcoin is hitting the MENA region, f*** yeah !!

"Dubai's BitOasis seeks to introduce BitCoin as a solution for MENA financial services"

http://www.wamda.com/2015/06/Dubai-bitoasis-seeks-introduce-bitcoin-solution-mena-financial-services

Wouldn't hurt if the princes of UAE and Saudi Arabia started a "Biggest Bitcoin Wallet" competition.



2132. Post 11614524 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 14, 2015, 11:06:27 AM
seems the big action is on LTC right now.... Shocked too bad my money is in bitcoin (or borecoin, whichever it is)

There's no future in those shitcoins, they could crumble at literally any point & one morning you wake up and they're at $0.
On a separate point we're beginning to creep up in the world of bitcoin, $234 whilst only a 3 dollar rise since Friday is a rise in price nonetheless. Maybe a more than achievable target of $240 is possible by the end of ghe coming week.
I always believe that anything under $300 is basically being given away.
I suggest people buy in now, once the train comes back to the station it'll stop once, make sure you're on it, don't have any regrets people.

It might help your credibility some if you weren't such a walking billboard. Maybe.

Nobody has any credibility in this thread. That's what makes it fun. There's no pressure.



2133. Post 11614635 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Searing on June 14, 2015, 11:15:47 AM
seems the big action is on LTC right now.... Shocked too bad my money is in bitcoin (or borecoin, whichever it is)

There's no future in those shitcoins, they could crumble at literally any point & one morning you wake up and they're at $0.
On a separate point we're beginning to creep up in the world of bitcoin, $234 whilst only a 3 dollar rise since Friday is a rise in price nonetheless. Maybe a more than achievable target of $240 is possible by the end of ghe coming week.
I always believe that anything under $300 is basically being given away.
I suggest people buy in now, once the train comes back to the station it'll stop once, make sure you're on it, don't have any regrets people.

It might help your credibility some if you weren't such a walking billboard. Maybe.

to jump in here to me as long as LTC is linked to BTC and continues to tag along like yoshi with mario  at above 0.006 LTC to BTC (currently at 0.00850 LTC to BTC) I have no issues with LTC (in that I'm still scrypt mining)...but .....swapping LTC at 2 bucks for BTC now seems kinda silly imho anyway thus where I am in all this....

we will see how it goes in the future as we get closer to halving and such in a couple months.....

but anyway where I'm at...not to mention IF blockchain(s) are the future and the recent sidechain announcements do you really think there
won't be the equiv 'tools' on the litecoin blockchain for real world use etc? ...my own view is that LTC will creep back up to 0.01 LTC to BTC and will act as it always
has as an ALTERNATIVE to BTC ..if that don't work ...I'll leave the LTC wading pool and go back to the Olympic pool of BTC ...crowded thou it
is with whales etc

one guess at a time ...with the flipping of coin choices of various options in crypto...only 1 choice at a time....we will see what the near
future (2 months tops or so) brings

(my entire crypto methodology would be better if I just flipped a frigging coin ....right now it has less creditability then that ie guessing) Smiley


I think LTC might have an important role as a complementary digital currency. With more and more exchanges spread across the globe it would make sense to have a second digital currency to do arb with.



2134. Post 11614687 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Elwar on June 14, 2015, 11:36:57 AM




2135. Post 11614735 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 14, 2015, 11:41:09 AM

[Gay Spunge]

Excluuuuuuuding bubbles!

It's all good old fashioned natural growth, baby!



2136. Post 11614788 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 14, 2015, 11:56:10 AM

[Gay Spunge]

Excluuuuuuuding bubbles!

It's all good old fashioned natural growth, baby!

Like a genetically modified cow on steroids.


Bring on the burgers!

Finger lickin' good!

Don't Go There!



2137. Post 11614815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 14, 2015, 12:03:42 PM

Nobody has any credibility in this thread. That's what makes it fun. There's no pressure.

I am so credible (in my own mind) I just shat myself.

I find that credible.



2138. Post 11614855 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on June 14, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Nobody has any credibility in this thread. That's what makes it fun. There's no pressure.

I am so credible (in my own mind) I just shat myself.

I find that credible.

Pics or it didn't happen  Cheesy



I think it's him in the back there.



2139. Post 11615065 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Well, that's one way to kill a thread. Anyone noticed that the price is falling?



2140. Post 11615133 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: macsga on June 14, 2015, 01:05:43 PM
Well, that's one way to kill a thread. Anyone noticed that the price is falling?

That would be only on Stamp; because of that huge sell wall of 1500 coins... Which BTW I think it's fake. Grin
11.5k to 220 on finex. Not bad.



2141. Post 11615181 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 14, 2015, 01:11:14 PM
What's with the Ron Paul theme? Huh

If Ron Paul becomes President he will close down the government and we'll all be happy bitcoiners.




2142. Post 11615415 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

nanobrain is back, moon next!



2143. Post 11615840 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on June 14, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
Bitcoin-Based Settlement Systems Coming to Wall Street

http://btcgeek.com/bitcoin-settlement-systems/

Bullish ?
... as fuck!



2144. Post 11616022 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 14, 2015, 02:51:58 PM
Most epic stock crash movie coming in your cinema!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-14/china-s-stock-market-value-exceeds-10-trillion-for-first-time

Outside of China, investors aren’t showing the same enthusiasm toward the nation’s equities. Funds pulled a net $6.8 billion out of Chinese stock funds in the seven days through Wednesday, Barclays Plc. said in a research note, citing EPFR Global data. Dual-listed Chinese shares cost more than twice as much on average on mainland exchanges than they do in Hong Kong.

China has a habit of using pretty crude methods to regulate its economy. When there was a surplus of aluminium being produced, they simply told the banks to stop lending money to aluminium producers. If they are going to adopt a similar ham-fisted approach to the stock market, this thing is gonna get mushroomy



2145. Post 11616181 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 14, 2015, 03:21:26 PM
Stamp really needs to increase their liquidity on bid side... 100 btc sell moves the market for 1.5$  Roll Eyes A bit impossible to trade there atm.

Most epic stock crash movie coming in your cinema!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-14/china-s-stock-market-value-exceeds-10-trillion-for-first-time

Outside of China, investors aren’t showing the same enthusiasm toward the nation’s equities. Funds pulled a net $6.8 billion out of Chinese stock funds in the seven days through Wednesday, Barclays Plc. said in a research note, citing EPFR Global data. Dual-listed Chinese shares cost more than twice as much on average on mainland exchanges than they do in Hong Kong.

China has a habit of using pretty crude methods to regulate its economy. When there was a surplus of aluminium being produced they simply told the banks to stop lending money to aluminium producers. If they are going to adopt a similar ham-fisted approach to the stock market, this thing is gonna get mushroomy


In this case, the problem is that banks and other big investors are already taking their money out so those small fishes who are taking loans for investments will stay alone. Big players won't re-buy at those prices... They will short the market as hell when they smell the blood.
Assuming the authorities don't intervene, in which case the aftermath is going to be even bloodier.



2146. Post 11616210 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on June 14, 2015, 03:38:34 PM
That bidwall... man, havent seen that for a while!
Looks like something from The Perfect Storm.



2147. Post 11616645 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 14, 2015, 04:25:51 PM
Nice chart. Buying now at $2xx might be the best buying opportunity in next 4-5 years.


I see. So pure win and kittens are just words for you? You disappoint me.



2148. Post 11617143 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: inca on June 14, 2015, 05:29:40 PM
Coiling for a huge move.

A lot of money has been accumulating a massive long btc position.

Bull case: blast off and explosive end to bear market, ushering in a moon shot as the halving draws near. 'Obvious in retrospect'

Bear case: manipulator owns a lot of the long position and will close it crashing price through support down to zero or below. 'No more fake recovers'

Boring case: the long position is held by miners using btc as collateral - cannot be margin called. Supply meets demand. Sideways until halving and gradual price increase with occasional spurts.

If this happens, remind me to tell people who's chanting about how "obvious" it was, to Fuck Off!!! It's pretty much just you and LFC who can say that, and I hope you gloat while doing so.



2149. Post 11617197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 14, 2015, 04:46:04 PM
Nice chart. Buying now at $2xx might be the best buying opportunity in next 4-5 years.


I see. So pure win and kittens are just words for you? You disappoint me.

Bullish trolls are just as dangerous as the other kind. I stand by my cynical meme. Angry

I have to admit, the bullish troll within me awakens.



I don't know where this will lead.



2150. Post 11617469 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Alley on June 14, 2015, 06:07:13 PM
Dumps are fine.  It redistributes wealth.


                    "It redistributes wealth!"



2151. Post 11617569 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

When is arb going to smack bitstamp in the face? Too risky?



2152. Post 11618666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 14, 2015, 09:33:07 PM

You don't disappoint me. Cheesy



2153. Post 11618737 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 14, 2015, 09:46:38 PM

-snap-

SoonTM



2154. Post 11622476 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: klee on June 15, 2015, 09:21:42 AM
Now we watch the bull despair begin to rise as the price stubbornly stays sub 240, leading to an eventual fall back to 220 <200
Yup, you can't get despair from bulls above $200. I think most of us are prepared for a $120-$150 drop if need be. But $220? Pfff....



2155. Post 11622643 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 15, 2015, 10:50:25 AM
Now we watch the bull despair begin to rise as the price stubbornly stays sub 240, leading to an eventual fall back to 220 <200
Yup, you can't get despair from bulls above $200. I think most of us are prepared for a $120-$150 drop if need be. But $220? Pfff....

Agree! I'd be pretty worried if we went below maybe $150 but despair at $220 Grin Grin
Not a chance, I'd barely even raise an eyebrow, we've been kicked senseless for 18 months by this violent bear market but a $10-15 drop is nothing.
Likewise any pump that fails to break $300 is a bit meh too.

I want $450-$650 by the end of summer.

Choo Choo Song!

Not really apt, but fits the mood I'm in.




2156. Post 11625817 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on June 15, 2015, 06:16:37 PM
yes let's remain calm no choo choo trains just yet



sry



2157. Post 11625964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

And shorts are up, longs down.... BAAAHAAAHAAA!!!!!




2158. Post 11626514 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: inca on June 15, 2015, 07:49:16 PM
The slow march higher continues..

Hopefully we get an uncontrolled move upwards soon!


Sry, I found the gif and I had to.



2159. Post 11626628 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on June 15, 2015, 08:06:08 PM
its pretty clear, this time it's different.
It's different every single time.

Including this time.

But this time is differenter.



2160. Post 11627786 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BreadMakerBlindhorn on June 15, 2015, 11:05:00 PM
I've gone to ride out my banishment one last time again. Embarrassed I would like to come back and see some serious progress to the moon of some planet already tho please!




Trying to be funny outside of the WO-thread can snap your neck mighty fast.



2161. Post 11627797 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Sitarow on June 15, 2015, 10:57:58 PM
Quote
BTC Closing Down
BTC Guild is Closing Down
BTC Guild will be shutting down its mining servers on June 30th, 2015 at 23:59 UTC. Users will still be able to log in and retrieve their history (CSV exports on the settings page) and request withdrawals until September 30, 2015..



Why is BTC Guild Shutting Down?
This is the second time BTC Guild has announced closure, but this time the decision will not be reversed. The reasons have not changed much since the original announcement.

As mining has become more centralized, BTC Guild has continuously shrunk in proportion to the network, now being less than 3% of the network hash rate. The costs of running the pool have not changed, and the amount of funds at risk in the event of a compromise is significantly higher than what the pool could ever recover from. When the pool was 20-30% of the network, the amount of funds at risk was slightly higher, but the ability for the pool to recover from that loss was present. At 3% of the network, the pool would not be able to recover from such a loss..

Additionally, the NYDFS BitLicense regulations have now become finalized, and the final regulations have enough gray area that BTC Guild is at risk. The fact that BTC Guild is not in New York does not matter, since it would be doing business with New York residents while they are physically in New York. This fact makes it possible for New York to attempt to claim jurisdiction to enforce regulations. Whether or not BTC Guild could win in defense of such an attempt is irrelevant, since the cost of defending the pool would be greater than any income the pool is expected to generate going forward.

Finally, I have been growing concerned for some time now about attempts to defraud pools. The pool's luck has been on a decline for over a year. The luck on a few other pools has also shown a negative trend. While it is not impossible that it's a coincidence, this is something I have been constantly made aware of and am helpless against. There is no way to know whether it's just bad luck, a small bug in older miners (BTC Guild probably has the highest percentage of first/second generation ASICs) resulting in a few % of block-solving shares to disappear, or a large pool trying to hurt the competition (many of the largest pools have large private mining operations now). It would only take a fraction (1 PH/s or less could do it) to cause significant harm to a competing pool, and that activity could be masked by proxies and multiple accounts to be impossible to catch.



PPLNS Blocks and Final Withdrawals
Users will be able to keep mining up until the servers turn off at end of day June 30th. Since PPLNS is a backwards paying system, the very last shares submitted are unlikely to receive any blocks unless a block is found at the last second.

The PPLNS shift length will be steadily reduced starting June 16th. This means that more shifts will likely end with 0 blocks, but shifts that find blocks will receive a larger amount than they would have previously. It is not recommended that users wait until the last minute to change pools.

The minimum withdrawal for a manual withdrawal will be reduced to 0.0001, and will not require a transaction fee to be paid in order to request the withdrawal.



Not For Sale
In the previous closure announcement, one reason it was cancelled was due to offers to purchase/take over the pool. This never happened because of personal attachment to the project and concern over user privacy and security.

The risk of users being cheated or stolen from as a result of transferring pool ownership is not something I am willing to accept. This is part of the reason the pool is closing in the first place: Risk of users losing funds because the pool would not be able to cover losses in the event of compromise.

I will not be entertaining offers on purchasing the pool this time around. There is no (reasonable) price the pool would be sold for.



Recommended Pools
The following pools are personally recommended for users to consider moving to:
BitMinter - long standing pool with good reputation
Eligius - long standing pool with good reputation
Kano CK Pool - cgminer developers
P2Pool (decentralized pool)



Thank you to all the users and the Bitcoin community for making BTC Guild a success for the last four years. It has been hard to finally make this call a second time with the determination to not reverse the decision. You will still be able to find me around the Bitcoin Talk forums (outside of the Pools subsection for once), and on IRC in #btcguild (and probably #bitcoin once the pool winds down).

To bad to bad them is the reality at this time. Pool helped move BTC into ASIC territory with the advent of stratum integration testing.

Ahhh,.. fudge!

Now I have to change the backup pool for all my miners. There goes the weekend.



2162. Post 11627813 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BreadMakerBlindhorn on June 15, 2015, 11:16:33 PM
I've gone to ride out my banishment one last time again. Embarrassed I would like to come back and see some serious progress to the moon of some planet already tho please!




Trying to be funny outside of the WO-thread can snap your neck mighty fast.

You said it. Sad


You'll be missed



2163. Post 11629610 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):




$240






2164. Post 11629895 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on June 16, 2015, 06:33:00 AM
Everytime the price goes upward, my heart gets shaking from a major dump that may happen.

Specially this time as the price is moving up nearly fast.

I'm starting to believe polydex "I'm sorry if I mistaked your name man" specualtion as it was insider news I think.

Whatever, optimistic and bullish till the last breath.

Bitcoin can be a bit of a bully.



2165. Post 11630794 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on June 16, 2015, 09:11:18 AM
I'm waiting for the green boner..

The size of The Green Mile




2166. Post 11630923 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on June 16, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
what if Greece adopt Litecoin ?



2167. Post 11632915 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: alesx.onfire on June 16, 2015, 01:48:02 PM


time to cut losses
?

HTH did you manage to lose money on this?



2168. Post 11634278 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: okthen on June 16, 2015, 04:56:38 PM
And going down again...
I think this is the first time I didn't feel a single drop of hope of joy seeing a price rise Sad


Huobi still at $258

Edit: API froze or something.



2169. Post 11634734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: BitofaN1 on June 16, 2015, 05:07:31 PM
And going down again...
I think this is the first time I didn't feel a single drop of hope of joy seeing a price rise Sad


Huobi still at $258

Edit: API froze or something.
I noticed that always happens there whenever there is a sudden change in price.
Resetting their bots takes time i guess...

The fact that something breaks every time there's a strong movement tells me that the Bitcoin ecosystem has a bit of growing up to do. I'm just glad bitcointalk is still running.



2170. Post 11634996 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 16, 2015, 06:05:36 PM
What will happen when the Chinese wake up, it's 02:05 in Beijing now.

1.3 Billion cups of tea will be brewed.



2171. Post 11635254 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 16, 2015, 06:20:29 PM
What will happen when the Chinese wake up, it's 02:05 in Beijing now.

1.3 Billion cups of tea will be brewed.
and 136 chinese bitcoiners will be like



 Grin

Somehow that smiley looks racist in that context.



2172. Post 11636773 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Grouver (BtcBalance) on June 16, 2015, 09:38:39 PM
This hangs in our office of Bitonic.

That is awesome!!!



2173. Post 11637380 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on June 16, 2015, 10:51:15 PM
Latest photo from Gemini's Insta.



Where is Fatman ?
What? I didn't eat them.



2174. Post 11637424 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.17h):

Quote from: empowering on June 16, 2015, 10:59:37 PM
Latest photo from Gemini's Insta.



Where is Fatman ?

With Bobin?  

(....or should that be with Fobin?)





HOLY BITCOINS FATMAN


      Get them fudging pansies away from there!

                The Caped Consumer is here!



   dididadadododadadididadadododada....BURGERS!!!




2175. Post 11639277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on June 17, 2015, 06:50:27 AM
Any PoS coin can be easily copied by others, so no big money will invest on it. Currently, with the huge hash power, only BTC cannot be copied overnight. That's the reason why most fund are invested on BTC related business.

It's not necessary to have a huge hashrate, because huge hashrate just isn't necessary when the main security threats lie in somewhere else. It's like having iron bars on your windows while your front door is still secured by linen cloth.
Most of the BTC related businesses aren't only BTC related. They are related to cryptocurrencies in general, because most of these companies can offer the same services while quickly adopting new innovating cryptos. The owners of these companies and their investors know that the future is in the field of cryptocurrencies in general and this (r)evolution won't end with bitcoin.

So the solution is to remove the monkey bars as well? Are you a programmer? Do you have an inkling on where the vulnerabilities lie in Bitcoin or are you just thinking hypothetically?



2176. Post 11639667 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on June 17, 2015, 07:20:13 AM
Any PoS coin can be easily copied by others, so no big money will invest on it. Currently, with the huge hash power, only BTC cannot be copied overnight. That's the reason why most fund are invested on BTC related business.

It's not necessary to have a huge hashrate, because huge hashrate just isn't necessary when the main security threats lie in somewhere else. It's like having iron bars on your windows while your front door is still secured by linen cloth.
Most of the BTC related businesses aren't only BTC related. They are related to cryptocurrencies in general, because most of these companies can offer the same services while quickly adopting new innovating cryptos. The owners of these companies and their investors know that the future is in the field of cryptocurrencies in general and this (r)evolution won't end with bitcoin.

So the solution is to remove the monkey bars as well? Are you a programmer? Do you have an inkling on where the vulnerabilities lie in Bitcoin or are you just thinking hypothetically?

Exactly! The solution is not to waste your money on putting up monkey bars if the main security question lies in somewhere else.
Costs are never high enough if enough gain will come from these costs. But the costs of maintaining the bitcoin mining network are high enough to drag down the winning odds for the speculators, while offering very little in return. It just makes more sense to speculate on markets that have lower costs, while facing the same software security threats. I prefer to bet on people who can do the same thing but cheaper.

Aaaahhhh.... So you don't really give a shit about cryptocurrencies. You're just a fucking leach trying to trick people out of their money? Now I get it!

Well, good luck to you!



2177. Post 11640049 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: soullyG on June 17, 2015, 09:04:20 AM
BAM...back up to $255 - will we break through resistance? Tune in now to find out!  Grin

$256



2178. Post 11640189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Elwar on June 17, 2015, 09:07:06 AM
I'm not a big fan of such a huge rally based on nothing.

While I believe the price should be closer to $400 I am skeptical of a 10+% rise out of nowhere.

If it is based on the Grexit thing (as Reuters claims) then that just leaves the price to go back down when they bail out Greece in the next week or so.

Regardless, I hope it stabilizes above $240 for a while putting a final nail in the bear market.

SIx months of relative stability is enough reason of a for me. I think a lot of people see the potential of Bitcoin but held off buying until they were pretty sure it's reached bottom. Most of them haven't even bought in yet. And I agree, $2xx is silly cheap.



2179. Post 11640517 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 17, 2015, 09:58:48 AM
So it seems LTC is going up with BTC...

Other than the fact that they are both cryptocurrencies and LTC is used to arbitrage.
I don't see why they are doing the same thing.

Anyone know?

Traders loading up on LTC for arbitrage because they think BTC is gong to become more volatile in the very near future.



2180. Post 11640615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: medialab101 on June 17, 2015, 10:40:22 AM
Stamp just gave a green light for next leg up  Grin

It's gone down to 252 on Stamp. If people start arbitraging between Stamp and the other exchanges it could push the price down now.

The Chinese exchanges are still about $5 USD out in front and don't show any signs of slowing down. If anything, Stamps is going to get dragged along kicking and screaming. That bearwhale that keeps flashing his fake walls is going to have a bad time.

Smoke and mirrors. The flashing walls are probably from the same people who's doing the pumping. It's a managed rise.



2181. Post 11640761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on June 17, 2015, 11:00:21 AM
It is really possible to arb BTC with LTC? Or with XMR?. Since they are based in BTC seems like a flawed logic...
They are not 'based in BTC'.  
LTC or XMR or any other cryptocurrency can be used to quickly get funds from 1 exchange to another.  As long as the LTC/BTC or XMR/BTC pair remains the same at 2 exchanges, while there is a difference in the USD/BTC exchange rates, you can use it to arb.  Thing is that the LTC/BTC pairs have less liquidity, and will probably quickly become the same or similar at the various exchanges.  (I don't have any experience doing this, just based on theory)

I'm not sure if whoever's hoarding LTC is trying to make money on the arb or just trying to manage the BTC pump.



2182. Post 11640769 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: klee on June 17, 2015, 11:04:23 AM
Capital controls on Friday - confirmed...

Insider info. Seriously.

Holy sheeetttt....  Undecided
... hitting the fun!

I am not BS guys, I hope it is not real even if I am long...

I was going to ask: are you serious or reeal serialz?



2183. Post 11640848 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 17, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
Capital controls on Friday - confirmed...

Insider info. Seriously.

Holy sheeetttt....  Undecided
... hitting the fun!

I am not BS guys, I hope it is not real even if I am long...

I was going to ask: are you serious or reeal serialz?

Turn on bloomberg, they are talking about capital controls for 3 days now. Also this is nothing new in Europe... Cyprus, Iceland.
I know it's a possibility, but he claimed it's confirmed.



2184. Post 11640925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on June 17, 2015, 11:07:36 AM
It is really possible to arb BTC with LTC? Or with XMR?. Since they are based in BTC seems like a flawed logic...
They are not 'based in BTC'.  
LTC or XMR or any other cryptocurrency can be used to quickly get funds from 1 exchange to another.  As long as the LTC/BTC or XMR/BTC pair remains the same at 2 exchanges, while there is a difference in the USD/BTC exchange rates, you can use it to arb.  Thing is that the LTC/BTC pairs have less liquidity, and will probably quickly become the same or similar at the various exchanges.  (I don't have any experience doing this, just based on theory)

I'm not sure if whoever's hoarding LTC is trying to make money on the arb or just trying to manage the BTC pump.
hoarding is very different from arbing.  Arbing (arbing BTC prices and using LTC as a money transfer between exchanges)  would't move up the price of LTC (only very slightly), as it would get sold again on the other exchange after a few minutes.

Retard question: Is it reasonable to assume that the LTC is being bought to help distribute the pump then or are these things totally unrelated?



2185. Post 11642883 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

SEPA transfers takes a while. A lot of money will be hitting the exchanges the next couple of days.



2186. Post 11643802 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: macsga on June 17, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
WTF Huh Where are all the train pics ?

This topic changed so much nowadays .

Things tend to stay on topic here (thanks to the mods) but it's not time for serious CCMF pics just yet IMHO. If it is (ie: parabolic for more than a week) then be sure, I'll be the 1st one to post them  Grin

I found a not so serious CCMF gif.



Party! Party!



2187. Post 11645221 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Burning a lot of shorts here. Market thinks we're going up. But if we go down, we'll go down in style.



2188. Post 11645396 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

$250 is nice but I need to see us stay above $260.



2189. Post 11645610 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Norway on June 17, 2015, 08:17:51 PM
Shit, this "bitcoin Greece" video made me crap my pants!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAbP49atdU

I love these americanisms.

"There really aren't any problems in the world, it's your attitude that's standing in the way."

All you need to know is The SecretTM.



2190. Post 11646242 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Norway on June 17, 2015, 09:18:40 PM

EDIT: Vikings invaded both US and Russia more than a thousand years ago.

?

Vikings set up a community in Newfoundland (Canada) and started trading with the locals. It turned out that the locals were quite lactose intolerant and thought the Vikings were trying to poison them. So the locals started mounting attacks which eventually lead to the vikings retreating back to Greenland and Iceland.

Nor did the Vikings invade Russia. They created Russia. The name Russia comes from the Rus who were the people of Rurik the Viking/Varangian. Rurik created the city state of Novgorod and the Rus took Kiev as base for launching attacks against Constantinople. This eventually became Tsarist Russia.



2191. Post 11646400 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Norway on June 17, 2015, 10:15:48 PM

EDIT: Vikings invaded both US and Russia more than a thousand years ago.

?

Vikings set up a community in Newfoundland (Canada) and started trading with the locals. It turned out that the locals were quite lactose intolerant and thought the Vikings were trying to poison them. So the locals started mounting attacks which eventually lead to the vikings retreating back to Greenland and Iceland.

Nor did the Vikings invade Russia. They created Russia. The name Russia comes from the Rus who were the people of Rurik the Viking/Varangian. Rurik created the city state of Novgorod and the Rus took Kiev as base for launching attacks against Constantinople. This eventually became Tsarist Russia.

"Set up a community" and "create a country" may be seen as invation by the invaded, lol!

... this is stupid. The nerd within overwhelmed me.

Sure. Vikings ROCK!!!



2192. Post 11648445 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Dip done. Rally continues.





2193. Post 11648467 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

So you think this rise was good?

Just you wait.




2194. Post 11648651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Just need to...




2195. Post 11649326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: macsga on June 18, 2015, 08:55:45 AM
I'll just leave this here for your reference... see any similarities between the two boxes? If you do, then you win an ACME (TM) rocket. If you don't, this is not the place for you to be.


"I wont to bui dip. ver is it?"






2196. Post 11650106 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: soullyG on June 18, 2015, 11:16:08 AM
Volume for XBT @ Nasdaq Stockholm is highest yet and the day isn't even half done yet!

http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538
Yeez! It's almost 3x previous ath vol.



2197. Post 11653680 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

That wall is so bloody perfect.

"When Pope Benedict asked Giotto to prove his worth as an artist Giotto drew a perfect circle freehand. Perfection. It's a powerful message." - Dustin Hoffman, Sphere.



2198. Post 11654403 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Dump3er on June 18, 2015, 08:23:49 PM
Still below all (bearish) impossible to reach targets, but Wall Observer Bulls freakin' out.  Roll Eyes

How about we dump the price down to 1$? You Bulls could get a full ectasis by a pump for 1.5$.

So would you. That's a 50% pump.



2199. Post 11654445 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on June 18, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
http://armstrongeconomics.com/archives/33539

Silver is headed below $12 and gold below $1050.

Most likely bottoming below $9 and $850. The lowest possible for gold in the $600s.

We have a bounce here in BTC and PMs, then headed for lower lows, which means < $150 for BTC and probably double-digits  Shocked

It will be a blood bath.  Cool

You've been warned. And I have not been wrong since I started following Armstrong some years ago.

Us bulls are following Armstrong as well. Neil, that is.



2200. Post 11655995 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on June 19, 2015, 01:04:54 AM
Volume for XBT @ Nasdaq Stockholm is highest yet and the day isn't even half done yet!
http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538
Yeez! It's almost 3x previous ath vol.

Volume is usually high when the price is changing.  I don know which is cause and which is effect, globally (probably each feeds the other).  But in the case of XBT Tracker One, price variation must be the cause, and trade volume must be the effect.

Has anyone been keeping track of the actual number of notes in circulation?

+

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/20906/bitcoin-tracker-one-etn-now-trading-worldwide-via-interactive-brokers/



2201. Post 11657094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):


Ok, let's do this!




2202. Post 11658452 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: mladen00 on June 19, 2015, 07:33:33 AM
[...] your would will be would for long long time.
classic



2203. Post 11661868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on June 19, 2015, 06:53:27 PM
Will it go up from this price on Saturday/Sunday or down? If you look at the wider picture over the last few days it's still rising

I guess it will definitely go up anyway ,maybe monday even

Why "definitely" bro ?

Definitely maybe



Looks like bitcoiners waiting for a move.



2204. Post 11662211 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: bassclef on June 19, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
Starting to get worried we're set for a dump to take us below 240. It's eerily quiet on here, just a hunch but I sense a dump. People might have been waiting for the pump from the other day to continue. It hasn't so we've begun a little dump, I think people who look for small profits might sell now unfortunately.

Bid support has grown tremendously so it would have to be a pretty big dump, and sell volume is running low as usual this late in the bear market. Very risky for whales to attempt this if only to manipulate. Profit-taking is generally not enough to push things down when the market is ready to move up.

At the outset of larger uptrends you'll see a resistance to lower prices and low volume on the dips as some longs take profits and retail/gamblers load up on shorts. As a trader, I might take profits here (haven't yet) but would get long at the next dip if the price continues to firm up around $250. In that case many longs who rode the first leg will watch the bull flag complete on 12h/daily chart and jump back in.

I think we either go sideways this weekend or see a pump start sometime before Monday to mark the price up for people waiting for deposits to clear at exchanges. If we do see higher prices next week watch out because many of the whales are finally turning bullish, removing sell orders and attracting volume back into the market. The ask side of Finex is quite scary if a big pump takes off. Scary in a good way as there's little to stand in the way of higher prices, and it might run to the top of the trading range ($280-300) very quickly.

What is your speculation about next week, bassclef ?

Will we say higher prices, what do you think in general ?

Obviously bullish. I think we test the 200 day MA again to see if it breaks. I think it might, easily. That means end of bull market to a lot of technicians although many of us watching closely have already sensed this. So $270-280 is a decent target for next reaccumlation zone.

I might have fallen and hit my head, but what do you mean here?



2205. Post 11662970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: bassclef on June 19, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
i think it's a typo and he means "bear market".

Yeah that. Didn't catch it. Smiley

Ok, thx. Was feeling a bit lost there for a while.



2206. Post 11668623 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

nom, nom, nom, buuurp... nom, nom, nom



2207. Post 11668736 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 20, 2015, 04:29:26 PM
getting trapped again bulls?

Nice to have you back tarmi

[Headphones on]




2208. Post 11668914 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 20, 2015, 04:42:10 PM
the whole USD swap offer market on bfx is is sitting at 200 k $.

 Cool




we are in red supergiant stage.

I repeat: "I predict the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and in 1996 catastrophically collapse." - Robert Metcalfe (Inventor of Ethernet), 1995



2209. Post 11668951 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 20, 2015, 05:02:57 PM
just saying that there is no money hydrogen to "burn".

I have to admit, I'm getting a nerdgasm



2210. Post 11669167 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 20, 2015, 05:18:18 PM
once the hydrogen is depleted the dying star starts to consume heavier shit like helium shitcoins.

supply is limited. there would be no need to borrow the whole order book in the first place if the supply was out there. that's like one star sucking hydrogen from its star companion. well, the star companion is dry, now they will probably collide.


my course of action> short both the shitcoins and btc (in that order to maximize profit).

I will make a ton of money on litecoin.

fapfapfapfapfapfap...



2211. Post 11669771 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on June 20, 2015, 06:22:22 PM
the whole USD swap offer market on bfx is is sitting at 200 k $.

 Cool




we are in red supergiant stage.

I repeat: "I predict the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and in 1996 catastrophically collapse." - Robert Metcalfe (Inventor of Ethernet), 1995

Could you please elaborate more about that quote, Fatman ?

? ? ?

... it didn't.



2212. Post 11671304 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 20, 2015, 09:58:53 PM
about bfx and growing usd swaps...this is interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/315ks5/daily_discussion_thursday_april_02_2015/cpywuly


"In current system, USD swaps are only taken out if you open a position more than you actually have in underlying. Say you have $100 in underlying, you can open up to $100 in a long position without borrowing USD. You also don't show up in USD swaps stats yet, because you haven't borrowed anything. If someone is trying to figure out how many people are in long positions in Margin Trading, they can't tell that you've added $100 long.

OK, so moving on past your underlying. At $101, you take $1 of USD swap. What happens if a thousand traders do the same thing at $101, with same $100 underlying each? There'd only be $1K in USD swaps total, but there's $100K in long positions not visible. OK so basically there's no upper bound in how many not-visible long positions there could be. Only thing you can do is guess out of your ass at average leverage ratio.

However, we can know the lower bound of how many not-visible long positions there are. BFX max leverage is 1:3.33, or 30% initial margin requirement. Meaning, if you have $100 in underlying, max you can open in long positions is $333.33. Out of the $333.33 total, 30% ($100) is your underlying, 70% ($233.33) is how much you've borrowed in USD swaps. That ratio of 30%/70% = 42% btw.

So if we have $25M in borrowed USD swaps, the case where there is the least number of not-visible positions that are funded by sufficient underlying, is if every position was leveraged to max. Then there are an additional 42% of not-visible (sufficiently funded by underlying) longs on top of $25M. That's another $10.5M. So $25 + $10.5 = $35.5M total long positions in this minimum case.

So, you can start guessing average margin ratio that's more realistic than everybody being max-leveraged. Say that the average of leverage positions is at 1:2. This would be like if you have $100, borrow another $100 for total $200 in long position. Half and half. Applying this to $25M USD swaps would be another $25M in underlying-funded long positions. $50M in total long positions.

Compare this the old system. The stat of $31M in old system meant exactly $31M in long positions were being taken in BFX margin trading. Back then, didn't matter if you had underlying or not, if you had $100 and opened $100 in longs, you'd still show up on USD swaps +$100.

As such, I say that it's a certainty that we're above old ATH of long positions. Probably by quite a bit.
"

...



So those USD swap numbers are positions that must be closed at some point. we are talking about 30 mil atm.

That supernova I was talking about earlier will be epic !

Bullish!



2213. Post 11672442 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 21, 2015, 01:36:34 AM

Bullish!












                                 YES




   







                           



                                                               Success!






2214. Post 11673743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Dump3er on June 21, 2015, 08:34:47 AM

You are aware of that we saw all those and a lot more gifs since ~1250. And you surely also know that the Bears always formed a small minority amidst all those shouting bulls.

All this and a lot more didn't prevent the price from crashing and further crashing. So keep on shooting around with
Gifs and keep on claiming how wrong all the bears are. It won’t help you  Cheesy

This one's for you



2215. Post 11673873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Dump3er on June 21, 2015, 09:20:47 AM

You are aware of that we saw all those and a lot more gifs since ~1250. And you surely also know that the Bears always formed a small minority amidst all those shouting bulls.

All this and a lot more didn't prevent the price from crashing and further crashing. So keep on shooting around with
Gifs and keep on claiming how wrong all the bears are. It won’t help you  Cheesy

This one's for you
Cute :-)

Is that you and me?  Cheesy

No, that's you and tarmi, you cheating bitch!



2216. Post 11674461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

This volume is a fucking death sentence. I'm lubing up.



2217. Post 11675455 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: SkyValeey on June 21, 2015, 01:16:02 PM
give up. sell everything.

I don't think it's good idea. 240-245$ looks like a good buy area with short term target 1600-1650cny (of higher if we'll break 1650cny with good volume- then we can reach 1700-1800cny).

Another scenario is fall from now with big volume to 22X-23X $ area but I hope we'll see 260$+ first.

Interesting updates by DanV ( https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/6S9Si6F7-BTCUSD-STILL-REMAINS-IN-OVERALL-BEARISH-CYCLE-UPDATE/ )


DanV just won't let those low hundreds go. Maybe I should send him a cowboy-hug gif.



2218. Post 11676609 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on June 21, 2015, 04:05:52 PM
Why should I believe that bro ? Although I want that for sure.
I might ask you a similar question. Why do you believe that the price won't rise?
I've seen and heard different opinions on my situations especially Grexit. Some are saying that it will have a minor impact on Bitcoin or none, while others are saying the exact opposite. Wouldn't their best bet be Bitcoin and/or gold in case that Grexit actually happens?

I'm pretty sure the price will rise, and I'm not looking for 6 months, 1 year, or 5 years, my target is a decade from now.

But I always like to add reasons for my arsenal.

Bitcoin can't be considered yet to be a safe heaven, even bitcoin enthusiast can't consider it a safe heaven.

Plus, Greek people are not advanced in the modern IT to know about Bitcoin yet.


Nonsense

Greece doesn't have a strong ultra-liberal movement like the US, nor does it have to bypass the government like in Argentina; yet. Nor is it starved of investment and speculation opportunities like China. There's just no reason for Greece to have a particular interest in Bitcoin, yet. In fact, Argentina is proof that people will acquire the skills if they need them. Plenty of "advanced" countries have less knowledge and less interest in Bitcoin than medium-income Argentina.



2219. Post 11676699 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on June 21, 2015, 03:49:53 PM
Well I invested 1500$ in Bitcoin since last March or so. Now i'm nearing 1000$. I've not made a penny.
I think i'm ready to quit trading. I'll never get that money back. I dunno how one could loose so much so fast, even if one is totally inexperienced, it seems one would make money at least 50% of the time. But i've made money something like 2% of the time. I just don't have the patience for this.

Use a cold wallet and forget your BTC, in a few years you will read that 1btc=20k$ and you could sell it

Or your coins might end up in the wrong chain of a Bitcoin's hard fork and worth next to 0 in the future.

Put in cold storage is OK, but forget and take for granted they'll be worth a fortune in the future in my opinion is a mistake

Do you not know how a hard fork works? As long as the coins were acquired in a block before the fork, they are safe. Then you just wait to see which fork become the main chain and you're good to go. A forked chain is inherently unstable and one of the forks quickly dies, leaving one chain. It's an inconvenience more than a problem. Worst case scenario: in the extremely unlikely case that neither fork dies and the value starts to plummet, (double)spend the coins in both forks! 

This is a good point. Neither miners nor exchanges wants a forking war! (hehe...forking)
They will do what they can to avoid a fork becoming an issue or collectively throw their weight on the likeliest candidate. If a fork happens it should be over in hours, if not minutes.



2220. Post 11677307 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: macsga on June 21, 2015, 05:09:02 PM
Why should I believe that bro ? Although I want that for sure.
I might ask you a similar question. Why do you believe that the price won't rise?
I've seen and heard different opinions on my situations especially Grexit. Some are saying that it will have a minor impact on Bitcoin or none, while others are saying the exact opposite. Wouldn't their best bet be Bitcoin and/or gold in case that Grexit actually happens?

I'm pretty sure the price will rise, and I'm not looking for 6 months, 1 year, or 5 years, my target is a decade from now.

But I always like to add reasons for my arsenal.

Bitcoin can't be considered yet to be a safe heaven, even bitcoin enthusiast can't consider it a safe heaven.

Plus, Greek people are not advanced in the modern IT to know about Bitcoin yet.


Nonsense

Greece doesn't have a strong ultra-liberal movement like the US, nor does it have to bypass the government like in Argentina; yet. Nor is it starved of investment and speculation opportunities like China. There's just no reason for Greece to have a particular interest in Bitcoin, yet. In fact, Argentina is proof that people will acquire the skills if they need them. Plenty of "advanced" countries have less knowledge and less interest in Bitcoin than medium-income Argentina.

We will all know by this time tomorrow... in the meantime (today in Athens):


 Grin Grin Grin Grin

Macsga you doofus!

I'm trying to defend your modern credentials. WTF is this!?!?

You're not making it any easier.



2221. Post 11677366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):



Houston Athens Frankfurt, we have a problem.



2222. Post 11677415 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on June 21, 2015, 06:50:42 PM


Houston Athens Frankfurt, we have a problem.

Will be much fun shorting € in next days  Grin

Put tarmi on the case and we'll all be begging for the drachma as the new pan-european currency.



2223. Post 11677965 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 21, 2015, 08:03:12 PM

Ruble?

Think about it. Greece has hundreds of islands, thousands of KM of coast plus they must be bored of all this regular economics shit.



It couldn't hurt.



2224. Post 11678497 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):


https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-block-size-conflict-ends-latest-update/

Prob repost, but I'm lazy.



2225. Post 11678530 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 21, 2015, 09:48:43 PM

I can't see much evidence of smoke clearing from having a sniff around.

Sry. I know cryptocoinsnews is crap. But sometimes you want it to be true.



2226. Post 11681962 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Some big buys. Looking pumpy.

Edit: Thar she blaows!



2227. Post 11686810 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):


I've got this strange feeling we'll go up when we least expect it.




2228. Post 11690739 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 23, 2015, 08:50:27 AM


I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there was no block size limit in Satoshi's software. They added it later. He believed in game theory where things sort themselves out through risk and reward.

Not sure,  but I found this?

"Andresen never mentions the actual reason that Satoshi imposed a block limit. Oleg Andreev, however, does:
Huge blocks could lead to excessive use of bandwidth which could lead to higher percentage of orphaned blocks due to higher synchronization delays."
From: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/25_notes-on-increasing-the-maximum-bitcoin-block-size-or-why-it-aint-happenin.html

If bandwidth is really the only issue then you would think the 8mb compromise will likely gain enough traction to get implemented. After all, even with a 8mb limit, most miners will still be sticking to 750 k - until you provide sufficient incentive to change.

Yeah, exactly. You can have a higher limit or no limit at all and it's still a risk for a miner to build a block that big. It's going to take a longer time to propagate over the internet which means more time for another miner to find another (smaller/faster) block and possibly orphan yours. I'm sure the limit was created to prevent some kind of "large block attack" (to disrupt miners with slow internet?) but in reality, risk and reward will prevent most miners from increasing their block size very much even when the limit is officially increased.

Exactly, a big part of the cost of mining large blocks is the risk.


I'm pretty sure that argument only holds in case of "excess capacity" though.

Once sufficient network usage exists, a miner willing to create a block closer to max size will be rewarded higher as well (more tx, more fees), at the risk  mentioned above.

My impression is that miners are a risk averse bunch on average, so perhaps they'll always (on average) stay below the maximum, but I'd expect some form of equilibrium to emerge, a value that most miners see as a good tradeoff between minimizing risk and maximizing fees, and I'm certain that value will eventually be higher than what it is now the max block size, assuming the network continues to grow.


tl;dr "minizing orphan risk" is certainly a consideration of miners, but it is also not the only consideration, otherwise this wouldn't be what we see in reality:



If miners were risk averse they wouldn't be miners. But when you're in the game it makes sense to minimize risk.



2229. Post 11691916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: oda.krell on June 23, 2015, 09:23:59 AM
If miners were risk averse they wouldn't be miners. But when you're in the game it makes sense to minimize risk.

Agreed. Didn't feel like elaborating, but I think miners are a weird bunch that seem to be extremely favorable towards risk on the higher level decisions (like: should I buy mining gear that will barely break even, instead of buying on the market), but then being rather risk averse on the smaller level decisions.

Yup, that pretty much sums us up.



2230. Post 11693726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

The problem with tarmi-fud is that his fud is so bleeding obvious that it can lead to fear, uncertainty and even doubt.



2231. Post 11693914 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: inca on June 23, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
The problem with tarmi-fud is that his fud is so bleeding obvious that it can lead to fear, uncertainty and even doubt.

I would disagree. Obvious BS in the face of a rising price incites nothing but ridicule.

He hasn't revealed any trades in a long time for some reason Smiley
IDK, to me it almost looks honest.



2232. Post 11695338 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: alesx.onfire on June 23, 2015, 06:57:33 PM
will we stay @240~~ for a long term?

Nope. We'll be moving up a bit soon. Depending on which line on chart we'll cross we might get a $20 boost, say $250 to $270.

Bear in mind: I have been wrong every friggin time.
But this time feels different. It feels differenter, and that's what we're looking for.



2233. Post 11696502 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: ejinte on June 23, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
In 48hours we will still be between $240-249. Quote me on this one.
done



2234. Post 11696616 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on June 23, 2015, 09:57:13 PM


That is a brilliant way to buy lots of coins. Just put a huge ass wall $10 above where you think the price should be and watch the coins fall in like lemmings.




2235. Post 11696690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: nioc on June 23, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
will we stay @240~~ for a long term?

I think so.

I give it 48 hours and we will either break up or down out of the 240-249 $ range. Quote me on this later.
In 48hours we will still be between $240-249. Quote me on this one.

That's how you do it!



Who? What? Why?



2236. Post 11700950 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: LaudaM on June 24, 2015, 11:09:43 AM
In 48hours we will still be between $240-249. Quote me on this one.
I don't really see a reason for the price to go further down than this. Unless someone actually quickly sells a lot of coins, we shouldn't be moving down at least not for now.
The market has become quiet again, looks like the exciting times are temporarily over.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would like to see some action right now, but even in the past 12 hours most of the posting was done by Chartbuddy.

As this is the Wall Observer thread I'd like to point out that friggin humongous wall at finex. If that goes, we go.



2237. Post 11704025 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):


Bitcoin is making headway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdM4_iRHyE

Mind = Kaboosh!



2238. Post 11705707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on June 24, 2015, 06:45:18 PM

Bitcoin is making headway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdM4_iRHyE

Mind = Kaboosh!

Kaboosh? Not so sure about that. Athey is essentially just a Ripple shill. I guess the only good thing about the video is there was some positive commentary on BTC. Of course, she failed to mention the major bullet points like digital scarcity and the fact BTC's network is decentralized but I'm guessing that's because she would have to explain what we need Ripple for then.  Roll Eyes

The "Kaboosh!" was merely referring to Bitcoin being a hot topic at Stanford. I like her lecture though. It's a good non-technical introduction to Bitcoin.



2239. Post 11706844 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on June 25, 2015, 12:57:12 AM



This is silly



2240. Post 11710837 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 25, 2015, 01:42:47 PM
What is this Zen and the art of BTC?

How long are y'all gonna hold?

Will you still hold if it drops to 235?

$5 isn't  a drop. It's just Bitcoin breathing.



2241. Post 11711474 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: dakota neat on June 25, 2015, 02:16:55 PM
we need the last true believers to sell at the lowest possible price point. paging u norway & lfc

Kind of hurt for not being included, but I know what their reply will be.



2242. Post 11714369 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Dilla on June 25, 2015, 06:27:30 PM
What will happen when the wall is gone?



2243. Post 11717152 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 26, 2015, 06:56:21 AM
Guy is giving away a silver bar for 99Ē and the people on the street are utterly too dumb to buy it.

Usually when someone offers you something at <10% of the price it's a scam and most people don't know how to test silver.

I guess if your not an expert then why risk it. But, 99Ē though? Why not just take a small risk?

They are assuming the guy is a bad person, I think.

When in fact they are the bad ones.




2244. Post 11718273 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):



Next 24 months are


CRITICAL!!!!



2245. Post 11718462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: ingiltere on June 26, 2015, 11:18:25 AM


Next 24 months are


CRITICAL!!!!

Just make it 24 years.
ok


Next 24 years are


CRITICAL!!!!




2246. Post 11720121 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Tzupy on June 26, 2015, 02:56:19 PM
It would be nice (for the bears  Cheesy ) to see a 4k dump soon, the wall on bfx asks for it... Cheesy



2247. Post 11721492 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):


Greece Rejects Bailout




2248. Post 11721818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 26, 2015, 06:35:11 PM
all we need is a million poeple hitting market buy with 12 fucking dollars all at once and then KAboom >32,000$ ( for a few seconds )



2249. Post 11724011 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 27, 2015, 01:30:35 AM
!
The classic pterodactyl pattern.
JOUST TIME





YOU'RE BACK!!!

LET'S CELEBRATE!!!

Jalla Jalla!!!





2250. Post 11724165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on June 27, 2015, 02:21:12 AM

Nah, just the classic body positive yoga formation on the 3.3 day.





2251. Post 11725420 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: lyth0s on June 27, 2015, 05:10:44 AM
We heading towards $300 soon  Wink

Definitely not in June, though. Possibly sometime July, most definitely by mid August.

july will be a BIG month for btc.

How so?

Were is the sudden bullish sentiment coming from?

Adam decided we're going up.




2252. Post 11727202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

I wonder if the bid wall will follow us up.



2253. Post 11727366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 27, 2015, 01:21:51 PM


why are the stupid greeks standing in line to take their euros and not bitcoin?

Cuz if they already had bitcoin, they wouldn't have to wait in line to grovel and beg for "the bank" to allow them the privilege of access to their own money?

Huh


If it weren't for the fact that you're so good at it, I would really hate you for being such an asshole.



2254. Post 11728215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Dump3er on June 27, 2015, 02:52:10 PM

Until then you keep taking our money by shorting a rising market..

Muhammad, is it you? Are you invested in bitcoin now?




Keep shorting, double digits around the corner!

I’m long, baby, since weeks. It always hurts to be on the same side as the cheerleaders, but as long as it results in money I ignore the pain.

But we are badass cheerleaders!



And now you are one of us.



2255. Post 11731827 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Norway on June 27, 2015, 10:32:49 PM
Jorge, always here to cheer us up! You must throw fantastic parties during carnival in Brazil!  Grin

I helped organize a couple of them when I was a Ph. D. student in the US.  But the Brazilian Students Association was so popular that the president was from Portugal.  So that does not add much to my resumé, I am afraid.

Well Jorge, what you say does not make tactical sense. So, I believe it's actually true!
But you must admit, you always come to the party with a sad face. I was sarcastic in my previous post.

I don't think you are honest about your basic motives regarding bitcoin. I'm a 44 year old nuclear physics-guy.

Still, I remember you melted and was actually ironic about yourself some posts ago.

I still don't trust your motives, I still think you lie about what makes you scan the Internet harder than google, looking for the word "bitcoin" and a negative slant, lol.

I also know that trolling as propaganda doesn't work Wink

EDIT: Shit, I use the word "I" and "still" too much. (Like Donald Trumph in his campaign.)

Actually, Jorge has been oddly constructive lately. I don't know what's happened. Maybe some first year student has "inspired" him to cheer up. Or maybe he bought at the bottom and is waiting to BUY A BOAT!!!



2256. Post 11731839 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Dump3er on June 28, 2015, 12:03:45 AM
Darn, over 250.  Trolls will be here with their graphs any minute now.

You mean trolls like Adam pointing for 32,000$  Cheesy

It's his thread so he defines what's clean, good and wholesome.

In fact, anyone who disagrees with him is a filthy troll.




2257. Post 11731876 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Dump3er on June 28, 2015, 12:13:28 AM
Darn, over 250.  Trolls will be here with their graphs any minute now.

You mean trolls like Adam pointing for 32,000$  Cheesy

It's his thread so he defines what's clean, good and wholesome.

In fact, anyone who disagrees with him is a filthy troll.



That’s what I’m and that’s also the reason why you felt in love with me. For being a filthy troll!
Stop that, you digital hussie! My wife is home!



2258. Post 11732139 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Below $250

It was fun while it lasted



2259. Post 11732438 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Norway on June 28, 2015, 01:53:37 AM

Yes, I'm drunk now.



I would never have guessed.




2260. Post 11732451 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 28, 2015, 01:45:14 AM
Below $250

It was fun while it lasted



Touché



2261. Post 11732633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Norway on June 28, 2015, 02:29:48 AM

Yes, I'm drunk now.



I would never have guessed.


Yes, I actually fed my Jack Daniel bottle with my sexy nipple, just as you giffed.
But: Is that all you take away from my text? I worked hard! And you are not that stupid! Skjerpings, Fatman! He he hi hi hi Wink

There's not much specific in what you wrote to have an opinion about. I could give you a general opinion though.


Yes, linking ID to the blockchain could make a lot of sense. It could make it possible for authorities to check the identity of asylum seekers against blockchain information made public before whatever sent them running happened. There are some problems though.

In order for the information to be credible it needs to be registered or verified by a trusted body. I would think the country of origin would want control of that process. But as long as procedures are standardized (what, how and when should be registered) and overseen by the UN it should be possible to rely on the information given by the states. And if we reach the point where every country registers the identity of their citizens on the blockchain, any refugees from a later conflict could easily be identified.

Another problem would be how to transparently register enough information for it to be useful as a universal form of ID without infringing on peoples right to privacy.

Such a registry is not really reliant on blockchain tech. Why don't we have such a registry managed by the UN today?

A private effort might make sense, I just don't see how it would be credible.



2262. Post 11734339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: macsga on June 28, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
according to bbc the ecb really stops giving fiat to the greece

mayhem

Monday morning in Japan in 12hrs... tick tock - tick tock... Grin

How are you doing in all of this Macsga? Are people uneasy where you live?



2263. Post 11734606 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: macsga on June 28, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
according to bbc the ecb really stops giving fiat to the greece

mayhem

Monday morning in Japan in 12hrs... tick tock - tick tock... Grin

How are you doing in all of this Macsga? Are people uneasy where you live?

Macsga I hope all is well. I return to Greece in July.

Everything is fine. Greece has been wonderful and will be wonderful with or without Euro. Gimme a call when you're here!

Good to hear!



2264. Post 11735051 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: rememberme on June 28, 2015, 11:02:11 AM
Here we go...

Let me try that...


HERE WE GO!!!




2265. Post 11735281 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 28, 2015, 11:29:23 AM
Rockets & (sarcastic) predictions of moon? Guys I can see the price at 249 USD. What are you guys looking at?

Any sarcasm was aimed at Mr.Dip.


Quote from: rememberme on June 28, 2015, 10:27:58 AM
Are we gonna dip?  Huh

Quote from: rememberme on June 28, 2015, 11:02:11 AM
Here we go...




Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 28, 2015, 11:49:31 AM
That's it for me... good luck to ya'll still holding.

Yeez , you're really flying blind on this...



2266. Post 11735468 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 28, 2015, 12:30:42 PM
breaking year old trend sideways. much confidence.

 Roll Eyes


If there's a grexit I'm sure you can find something to short. Have you been watching the chinese stock market lately? You should check that out.

Let them get REKT!!!



2267. Post 11735969 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJu on June 28, 2015, 01:54:30 PM
nice to see bitcoin hit 250$ again
my opinion can hit 300$ Roll Eyes

are you ready to moon ?



Sure




2268. Post 11736320 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

That was one helluva dump, doing squat.



2269. Post 11736462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: poncho32 on June 28, 2015, 03:23:16 PM
That was one helluva dump, doing squat.

I couldn't believe that. We had one crappy little pump, then just when I thought it was going to moon we had a 1.5k dump straight down. Is someone taking us for a ride or what?

Probably just testing the waters. Look out for nearly identical follow-ups though. If they can't push it down enough they might turn around to burn some shorts (bear trap).



2270. Post 11736723 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on June 28, 2015, 04:04:53 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still scrapping around $250 I see. Feeble attempt at a dump.

Hanging on to yesterday's modest gains but continuing basically sideways.

Definitely need coffee. Yawn.



2271. Post 11737134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):



Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on June 28, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
Greece is gonna hold a referendum on whether to stay or leave the EU... the people will probably vote to stay in. However The EU is threatening to kick them out of the EU before that process... (a clue to their evil intentions, and possible reverse psychology) But It's an empty threat, they'd be in worse shape for doing that, and look very bad.

But if the EU does kick them out, they would probably start black ops on the nation in order to destroy it and regain control by force, like they did in Ukraine.


You're thinking of Russia. Greece won't have to worry about them. Yet.



2272. Post 11737422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.18h):

Quote from: Patel on June 28, 2015, 05:40:03 PM
Lol I think Bitcoiners are the only ones happy about the Greece drama

There is no guarantee that this will benefit Bitcoin. If this turns bad Bitcoin can just as well be dragged down into mud as well. Tarmi will be shorting everything. He will buy a boat.



2273. Post 11737848 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Elwar on June 28, 2015, 06:17:40 PM


Made me think of this little doozy from April 1st.



http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/


Laugh it up Varoufakis!



2274. Post 11738633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/28/eurozone-greece-closures-idUSA8N0Z302O20150628

SHIT=>FAN



2275. Post 11738680 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: klee on June 28, 2015, 08:05:58 PM
No gif?



2276. Post 11738816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Divitiae miserae on June 28, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
I'm going to sleep. What do you recommend: to buy or not and why?
Thanks.

Probably not much in it if you're just day trading. If you're accumulating you might not see below $250 again.



2277. Post 11742837 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: hdbuck on June 29, 2015, 09:25:05 AM

captal-controls and BTC stays more or less the same. thats kind of disappointing tbh.

It was around $240 before Greece basically walked out on negotiations.

yes, a 4% rise,and thats it? i mean seriously, a euro-zone-state getting capital controls was one of the big things to look ahead. compare that to 2013 when cyprus had problems...
No margin trading, futures, options etc available back then.

Don't expect the old parabolas anymore but we can still reach new ATHs..


at this point it would be safe to agree that all this macro circus is already priced in, considering banskters already hooked up on bitcoin, and probably accumulating "subtly" as much as possible.

so no choochoo mofos. Tongue

There is no way to price something like this in. If the IMF, EU and/or Greece does something George-Bush-like stupid, there's going to be a shitstorm.



2278. Post 11743303 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: AlexGR on June 29, 2015, 10:21:36 AM
Quoting myself from another thread:

-I was trying to buy something online (costing just 2-3$) with my greek visa, and the charge was getting rejected.
-Gas stations take only cash.
-Suppliers of stuff, take only cash as they are afraid of the consequences of accepting digital payments, and with that I include bank payments (they are afraid they will not be able to withdraw it, or their money could be bailed-in / converted to drachma etc etc).

There is in a sense a fungibility issue with the euro in Greece right now. Digital euros / bank euros "suck" as they are useless to transact. Cash euro is what counts for most people, even companies.

Times like these, you *realize*, not theoretically, but by living it, that you wouldn't trade your crypto for fiat and that crypto is immensely more useful (ie you can actually transact, when with digital cash / banks / cards etc you can't).

The sense of value increases in a way that is unexpected: I wouldn't trade a single BTC even if I was offered >1000 euro in the bank in these conditions. The euros in the bank are useless.


Thanks for sharing. That really puts things into perspective.



2279. Post 11747560 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 29, 2015, 07:09:40 PM
interesting that always LTC leads the BTC Pumps

What bitcoin pump? Last 2 days, bitcoin is up 5%, litecoin is up 30%. Who leads who?


well, the driving force behind litecoin is bitcoin. Someone pumped a lot of btc into ltc.

I say> good !

Some BTC holders believe that moving into LTC will yield greater profits, due to the upcoming LTC halving, which is quite possible.
A lot of BTC will be eventually be sold to realize the LTC profits. Also, the LTC pump drains fiat that would be used for BTC pumping.
There is a weak correlation between the prices, works short term, but long term this is bearish for BTC.


agreed.

once we hit 300 + $ short btc like mad.

Tarmi says we're going to $300+.

The last bear has been turned!

Bullish...



2280. Post 11748547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 29, 2015, 09:20:37 PM
As far as Im aware this only affects ATM withdrawals. Maybe they can still send out SEPA transfers.

Unlimited transfers are fine within Greece. To go outside you'll need permission and a very good reason.

http://news.yahoo.com/greece-awaits-european-central-bank-decision-liquidity-102555417--finance.html

Do you think "I don't trust you fuckers" counts?



2281. Post 11748607 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 29, 2015, 09:27:34 PM
As far as Im aware this only affects ATM withdrawals. Maybe they can still send out SEPA transfers.

Unlimited transfers are fine within Greece. To go outside you'll need permission and a very good reason.

http://news.yahoo.com/greece-awaits-european-central-bank-decision-liquidity-102555417--finance.html

Do you think "I don't trust you fuckers" counts?

I think you'll need to bring a sickly orphan along to the interrogation and a foreign medical invoice. In fact a whole new cottage industry could spring up - vegetable rental. They get a cut of what you manage to get out.

I smell an opportunity!!




2282. Post 11749046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 29, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
The front page of r/bitcoin and some of the comments from crypto companies doesn't give off the most inspiring impression. There's a definite vulture-esque feel at times. They should've stepped up when it was less desperate.

What? Where?



Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 29, 2015, 10:22:43 PM
By great do you mean kind of shameless and gross?

I mean... you know... It's to help?




2283. Post 11749185 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 29, 2015, 10:39:45 PM
I guess it's ok so long as you start with the face.




I'm pretty sure he's pulling his nuts out of his ass. A bitcoin company wouldn't do something like that. Often.



2284. Post 11749343 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 29, 2015, 11:18:02 PM
I guess it's ok so long as you start with the face.




I'm pretty sure he's pulling his nuts out of his ass. A bitcoin company wouldn't do something like that. Often.

I do not know why, but this made me laugh my ass off.


(I am really quite drunk now)

I set 'em up, he knocks 'em down. Cheesy



2285. Post 11753435 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: madmat on June 30, 2015, 11:59:16 AM
Well, it looks like the "stress test" is in effect now: over 10k unconfirmed transactions in the mempool right now.

I only see 2400 unconfirmed transactions : https://blockchain.info/fr/unconfirmed-transactions

Great fucking timing...



2286. Post 11754289 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 30, 2015, 01:51:03 PM

The welfare state destroyed the capital structure, now it does not produce much of anything.



what a bunch of bs. on the contrary: it's the capital that is destroying the welfare state.

all those austerity measures and zee german stories about "commie" gov in greece or lazy greeks is about it: cut your pensions, cut your services.

WTH! Tarmi is starting to talk some sense!




2287. Post 11756690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: tarmi on June 30, 2015, 03:55:22 PM

please buy.



thank you!

Turning bull isn't good for tarmi. He seems to be developing a personality disorder.



2288. Post 11757379 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on June 30, 2015, 07:15:05 PM
if there is some a big move into bitcoin in greece, say this time next year 10% of greek pop uses bitcoin and its accepted everywhere in greece we could very well see 32,000$ in less than 2 years. 10% of greece's pop is ~1 million poeple, assuming these 1million poeple hodl a 500$ balances in bitcoin we're looking at half a billion dollars pumped into bitcoin, but it won't stop there, having a real world economy use bitcoin is going to improve investor confidence, and i could easily see 10-20billion get pumped into bitcoin as a result, but it won't stop there, economies will crash around the world one by one, and seeing how greeks all got rich off of using bitcoin, they will all want to do the same thing, the decentralization of world domination is well under way! but it won't stop there aliens will come down from the heavens and buy bitcoin.



2289. Post 11758375 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: ag@th0s on June 30, 2015, 09:50:17 PM
if there is some a big move into bitcoin in greece, say this time next year 10% of greek pop uses bitcoin and its accepted everywhere in greece we could very well see 32,000$ in less than 2 years. 10% of greece's pop is ~1 million poeple, assuming these 1million poeple hodl a 500$ balances in bitcoin we're looking at half a billion dollars pumped into bitcoin, but it won't stop there, having a real world economy use bitcoin is going to improve investor confidence, and i could easily see 10-20billion get pumped into bitcoin as a result, but it won't stop there, economies will crash around the world one by one, and seeing how greeks all got rich off of using bitcoin, they will all want to do the same thing, the decentralization of world domination is well under way! but it won't stop there aliens will come down from the heavens and buy bitcoin.

but it won't stop there...

because the aliens being pan-dimensional beings see a big market in selling Bitcoin to HELL.  Lower order daemons appreciate a transactional medium which is not controlled by Beelzebub and develop a thriving black market (Fire Road) in soothing ointments, freeze sprays and menthol cigarettes (you're dead already - what's your issue?).  Beelzebub promptly bans Bitcoin, but things have gone too far and the denizens of HELL revolt: break the chains of eternal damnation and vault back into the present world.  Where do they end up?  I think you know.

but it won't stop there...

Wouldn't there be an issue with double-spending if Bitcoin goes multidimensional?

Where's dev?



2290. Post 11761537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: klee on July 01, 2015, 09:00:31 AM
lol, nice dump and buy at finex  Cheesy
There was no buy

You're making it hard to try to paint this as a good thing.




2291. Post 11767320 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: ejinte on July 01, 2015, 09:05:53 PM
[weird flagball cartoon]

Norway is part of the EU market through the EEA. Until recently we paid a reduced EU membership fee, but the EU didn't see any point in giving rich outsiders discount entry so now we pay the same as the rest of the EU countries. We adopt EU legislation without ever having any influence on its creation. And even though we pay as much as the rest, our citizens are not EU-citizens and our businesses are not EU-businesses and as such not eligible to apply for EU funds for development projects and similar. It would be just as painful for us to leave the EU market as it would be for any EU member state. So if you want to do like Norway... strike oil.



2292. Post 11767358 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: tarmi on July 01, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
ever been in norway?

very white, not too kind toward minorities and they love german shepherds.


You must have met the wrong ones (Basically, people from Oslo). Come over and I'll take you bear hunting.



2293. Post 11772260 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: simmo77 on July 02, 2015, 12:27:24 PM
double digits are not doom for anyone but bulltards.

bitcoin will be just fine.

I'm pretty sure you would also be pretty pissed if prices went down to double digits

The Tarmi Song



2294. Post 11772311 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: inca on July 02, 2015, 01:11:47 PM
I have to say whoever maintains those steep ask side walls is doing a sterling job of attempting to keep the price from rising Smiley
Those bid walls aren't too shabby either.



2295. Post 11772766 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: dreamspark on July 02, 2015, 02:19:49 PM
A break downwards here could get ugly.


Not to worry. Ugly is on our side.



2296. Post 11775569 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on July 02, 2015, 08:20:58 PM
Reloading at the 200 day SMA support--who's ready for some fireworks this weekend?

For a novice, and if you don't mind for sure, could you elaborate this for me please  Smiley

Quote
200 day SMA support

look at the blue line, that's the 200 day SMA.



SMA means "simple moving average". It's the average of the last 200 datapoints. So with daily resolution it shows the average of the last 200 days. Hence "200 day SMA".

It has been resistance or way above for the last year and we broke through it recently. Now it might act as support, as many hope.

If it does, the tides may be turning.

EDIT: changed screenshot to include time axis

I totally agree about support! BTC is gonna move onward and upward in an orderly fashion!
cheers Bulls !



2297. Post 11776076 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: tarmi on July 02, 2015, 09:09:00 PM


Isn't this your third one?

Be careful so you don't get hooked.


Quote from: Dump3er on July 02, 2015, 09:26:27 PM
Looks like our Wall-Observer bulls are prematurely overexcited once again.
 
It’s always the same. Will it ever change? Maybe when we hit the real bottom...

Didn't you go long?

Quote from: Dump3er on June 27, 2015, 02:52:10 PM




2298. Post 11777190 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Dump3er on July 02, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
Didn't you go long?

You mean long like a permabull? I never went that long!  Cheesy

Meanwhile I closed all longs and stand on the sideline, observing the development. This retracement could even go a lot a higher, but we’re  here on some critical point now, where a reversal is not very improbable. Anyway, even if the retracement goes higher (where the dump3er will jump on again) I’m sure that we’ll see mayor lower lows before a new ath

Nah, it's all up from now. Just you see!




2299. Post 11777605 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 03, 2015, 02:44:43 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796276.msg11777478#msg11777478

BitMovements update, enjoy!

"Bitcoin finds a New Beginning"

Let's hope it's better than Star Trek: A New Beginning.



2300. Post 11782752 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: kaykawa on July 03, 2015, 04:17:32 PM
it looks like dead cat bounce

As long as it bounces really hard and lands in a tree, I'm ok with that.



2301. Post 11790538 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 04, 2015, 03:34:03 PM
If America elects a Trump president the world will laugh its ass off in perfect harmony.

We ran out of laughter, there's only tears left.











2302. Post 11790748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on July 04, 2015, 06:01:56 PM
If America elects a Trump president the world will laugh its ass off in perfect harmony.

We ran out of laughter, there's only tears left.

[Presidential Art]


I'm laughing so hard I'm crying! That painting of Leno looks like a paint by numbers...
You can't make this stuff up! Well at least we know Bush didn't invent BTC! Rotflmao!

I told you there would be tears.



2303. Post 11791596 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: chmod755 on July 04, 2015, 07:48:19 PM
LMFAO....

Donald Trump is such a pathetic joke.

Quality entertainment, though!

LOL, he never actually said that, but I made it so it looks like a statement he would make.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100701345



2304. Post 11791643 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 04, 2015, 08:44:20 PM


LMFAO....

Donald Trump is such a pathetic joke.

Quality entertainment, though!

Quick pitch it to him as a way to keep mexicans out of jesusland.

Utah?



2305. Post 11791735 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on July 04, 2015, 08:57:29 PM


LMFAO....

Donald Trump is such a pathetic joke.

Quality entertainment, though!

Quick pitch it to him as a way to keep mexicans out of jesusland.

Utah?

The whole bible obesity belt. But don't move there.

Obesity belt eh?



To live in such a place. Endless possibilities.



2306. Post 11791783 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Buying on finex smells like fomo. Looks like a lot of people didn't expect to see the $260s again this soon.



2307. Post 11791800 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on July 04, 2015, 09:20:21 PM
Buying on finex smells like fomo

Mo fomo = ccmf  Cheesy

Wouldn't be surprised to see $280 within the next couple of days.

Edit: CCMF!!!



2308. Post 11792153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on July 04, 2015, 09:23:38 PM
Buying on finex smells like fomo

Mo fomo = ccmf  Cheesy

Wouldn't be surprised to see $280 within the next couple of days.

Edit: CCMF!!!

Fatman, what would be the reason for this uptrend ?

The 18 months old broken downtrend ?

We've been firmly above the low of mid January for almost six months. I'm not sure if this is a definite uptrend though. It seems to me that this might just be some speculative interest connected to the Greece situation. If greeks actually saw Bitcoin as a way of securing their wealth or staying financially autonomous, we should have seen a much more forceful growth several months ago. We might very well fall back to the  $220-$230s in a couple of weeks if this is too strongly linked to Greece.

On the other hand, this might just be the trigger to start a new uptrend. It seems to me that most of Bitcoins potential is priced out ATM. If people are confident that the bottom is in, it would make sense to get into Bitcoin and wait for the potential to get priced back in again. Breaking the downtrend on the charts might matter, but it can bite you in the arse in the short run as there are always people waiting to punish any overexuberance.

What we saw today was probably just people waiting to buy the dip who realised they had missed it and had to hurry back in. I've seen a lot of people expecting the price to go down to the $247-$251 range. But it didn't, so they had to jump on the train at a higher price point in order to come along for the next leg up. Let's just hope there is a next leg up.



2309. Post 11795751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: tarmi on July 05, 2015, 01:22:56 PM
my eyes are on litecoin.  Grin Cool

not a single fuck I give on underperforming btc.


Can I ask you what you're using to buy ltc? I suppose you are using bitcoin or am I wrong?



coherence  

who said that I am buying it?

anyway, I am using my $.

Sorry tarmi, but I will laugh my fucking ass off if you get wiped out shorting litecoin.



2310. Post 11796067 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: tarmi on July 05, 2015, 02:06:56 PM
my eyes are on litecoin.  Grin Cool

not a single fuck I give on underperforming btc.


Can I ask you what you're using to buy ltc? I suppose you are using bitcoin or am I wrong?



coherence  

who said that I am buying it?

anyway, I am using my $.

Sorry tarmi, but I will laugh my fucking ass off if you get wiped out shorting litecoin.


that's because you arent any different from others bull scam a-holes.

consider me shorting ltc a "voice of reason".

I tried shorting litecoin, but not lately. Every time I exited with a tiny loss, just before a pump.
So I think it's still risky, I will only short it if I get the timing right, before the huge red dildo (that will surely happen).


yes, it's a risky business but somebody still has to do it.

I dont mind if others arent at it, that means just more money for me.

I Salute You!




2311. Post 11796788 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 05, 2015, 04:10:14 PM
It's happening!
This is Gentlemen! Wink



Agreed

Code: CCMF



2312. Post 11797768 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 05, 2015, 04:58:42 PM
just like 150 was a test dump!





2313. Post 11797843 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: nicked on July 05, 2015, 05:19:40 PM


Is that a Saguaro cactus?

Take another look. I think that thing grows where the sun don't shine.



2314. Post 11797940 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on July 05, 2015, 06:11:55 PM
To quote what someone insanely wise said a long, long time ago:

$280, here we go!!



Hmmm...

Quote from: Fatman3001 on July 04, 2015, 09:21:48 PM
Buying on finex smells like fomo

Mo fomo = ccmf  Cheesy

Wouldn't be surprised to see $280 within the next couple of days.

Edit: CCMF!!!

Do I get a prize?



2315. Post 11797973 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: nicked on July 05, 2015, 06:23:14 PM

Take another look. I think that thing grows where the sun don't shine.
Where is the button that makes the needles come out?

You'll have to ask Lucky-G-spot-enough56 about that. He's an expert.



2316. Post 11798023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Will be fun to see the swedish XBT Provider ETNs trade tomorrow. Something tells me we might see a new high.



2317. Post 11798053 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: guy_wonderful on July 05, 2015, 06:37:53 PM
I feel that I must write something here, too,
hello, whats up ?  Smiley

Bitcoin



2318. Post 11798170 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: chromosoma on July 05, 2015, 06:49:34 PM
Well, here is the dump. WHat did I told you?=)

Deception:)

I think I can hear tarmi fapping.



2319. Post 11798306 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: chromosoma on July 05, 2015, 06:57:31 PM
Well, here is the dump. WHat did I told you?=)

Deception:)

I think I can hear tarmi fapping.
Who is tarmi?

The Tarmi Song


Quote from: tarmi on July 05, 2015, 05:03:24 PM
there goes the referendum pump.

now let's see the dump after the news how far will go.



2320. Post 11798728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on July 05, 2015, 07:52:08 PM
Poor NLC, her enthusiasm seems somewhat diminished after a $50 rise in a month.  Undecided

Not even the will to make new pics... Cry
Yeah, it must suck to post on a forum where money is being made and yet trollcrotch doesn't have a cent to their name. It's gonna get real brutal for their soul as we continue to move up.

NLC is not Stolfi. NLC's got coins.



2321. Post 11799066 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 05, 2015, 08:26:53 PM
Since 2014 Bitcoin is no longer what it was Undecided

I miss the old times Cry


Remember when Bitcoin was $800. Pepperidge Farms remembers.

LOL! Literally.



2322. Post 11802534 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: DutchTrades on July 06, 2015, 08:57:01 AM
BTC-e $268 Finex $273,5 ?

Where is the arbitrage?

What are you going to arb with?

USD takes a loooong time on BTC-E and litecoin isn't exactly stable nowadays.



2323. Post 11802587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: ImI on July 06, 2015, 09:16:37 AM
lol so yanis varoufakis do quit after all..

EUsters finally got his head on platter.

http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/06/minister-no-more/

*drumroll for teh next goldman-central-mole-banker that will take the finance office.. Roll Eyes


Obv Tsipras kicked him as he would be an obstacle in the coming negotiations.

yea obviously.. but who told tsipras he would be an obstacle? euSTERZZZZZZ!!1 Grin

common sense told him

Varoufakis told him. Syriza and Varoufakis have been very pragmatic throughout this whole thing. It's a good move, even if it's a bit obvious. It might be obvious for "EUsterzzzzz!!1" as well, but there's not much they can do now. They've been outplayed and must look for a solution or risk being blamed for tearing both the Euro and EU apart.



2324. Post 11803637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 06, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
274.68 on Stamp. Anybody know what % we're up over the last month or so. Things are looking really bullish at the moment, the pessimist in me just wonders how much longer this will continue. We've been battered for so long, I'm just hesitant to get too hopeful only for us to get dumped on again.

What's pushing this swing in sentiment, it can't just be Greece can it? 


21.91% according to bitcoinwisdom.com



2325. Post 11804377 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on July 05, 2015, 02:35:47 PM
my eyes are on litecoin.  Grin Cool

not a single fuck I give on underperforming btc.


Can I ask you what you're using to buy ltc? I suppose you are using bitcoin or am I wrong?



coherence  

who said that I am buying it?

anyway, I am using my $.

Sorry tarmi, but I will laugh my fucking ass off if you get wiped out shorting litecoin.


that's because you arent any different from others bull scam a-holes.

consider me shorting ltc a "voice of reason".

I tried shorting litecoin, but not lately. Every time I exited with a tiny loss, just before a pump.
So I think it's still risky, I will only short it if I get the timing right, before the huge red dildo (that will surely happen).


yes, it's a risky business but somebody still has to do it.

I dont mind if others arent at it, that means just more money for me.

I Salute You!



Where's our little Superhero? Leveraged short got you tongue?




2326. Post 11806506 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 06, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
Bitfinex down? Huh

Yes, sir.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3c9khg/daily_discussion_monday_july_06_2015/csu09z0

That everything other than the Blockchain tends to break every time something happens with Bitcoin is a testament to the strength of the Blockchain.

And weakness of the Bitcoin ecosystem.



2327. Post 11807103 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

I guess "divide and conquer" is off the table. Greece stands united.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/06/us-eurozone-greece-opposition-statement-idUSKCN0PG1ON20150706



2328. Post 11807355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.19h):

Quote from: TaurusBit on July 06, 2015, 07:40:41 PM
LTC won't stop.

LTC is bonkers. Sadly I haven't got a clue where it's headed next.



2329. Post 11808044 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Stagger Lee on July 06, 2015, 09:20:13 PM

The climate has changed. I have been buying every week for six months and the downtrend is definitively broken.

Buying every week 0.01btc is not considered buying. Nobody cares about such low amounts of money. Even my housecleaner earns more in tips than you have spent in 6 months on bitcoin.
Poor bastard.

Some years ago one could say:

Buying every week 10btc is not considered buying. Nobody cares about such low amounts of money, etc.

But now it is a large amount of money

0.01BTC is just a number RB pulled out of his bearded ass. I don't think any of us need to worry about Incas financial situation, with or without BTC.



2330. Post 11814607 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: hdbuck on July 07, 2015, 03:32:29 PM
Banks in Greece won't open this week  Shocked
I doubt they will until some sort of agreement is reached with the Euro... they will maximize pain until the Greeks give in... or at least they'll try.

The banks are kinda out of money...

They defaulted on their payments to the Eurpean Central Bank. Greek banks are essentially finished.


and then the "GCB" shall fill those empty vaults with drachma.

Except there is no drachma anymore, so it would basically be greek IOUs. If you thought bitcoin was unstable...



2331. Post 11815703 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: aztecminer on July 07, 2015, 05:40:27 PM


you better be right, cuz if you arent then we are going to have to push the independent thought button .. and no one wants that (especially obama) .

What's Obama done now?



2332. Post 11817741 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on July 07, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
First the Cypress pump now the Grease pump. Is anyone else starting to feel as though Bitcoin is being manipulated to seem like its responding to current events? We all know the Greeks weren't actually buying. Right?


What exactly are you getting at then? Who, why would "they" deceive this way?

You know. Rich people. Because they can?

C'mon, most of us are rich around here.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

I'm not. I think you should all donate to me.

Donate to Save Fatman from Becoming Slenderman!

Call 555-FATUSELESSBASTARDNEEDSFOOD Now!



2333. Post 11817834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 07, 2015, 11:14:26 PM
First the Cypress pump now the Grease pump. Is anyone else starting to feel as though Bitcoin is being manipulated to seem like its responding to current events? We all know the Greeks weren't actually buying. Right?


What exactly are you getting at then? Who, why would "they" deceive this way?

You know. Rich people. Because they can?

C'mon, most of us are rich around here.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

I'm not. I think you should all donate to me.

Donate to Save Fatman from Becoming Slenderman!

Call 555-FATUSELESSBASTARDNEEDSFOOD Now!





The SecretTM

The SolutionTM

TacosTM



2334. Post 11817865 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on July 07, 2015, 11:26:58 PM
Call 555-FATUSELESSBASTARDNEEDSFOOD Now!

Food? You're begging for food?

You don't want to be smoking what the panhandlers of Toronto call "food".

It'll not only turn you into Slenderman, but Sunkeneyesman and Jonesingman too.

 Cheesy

Canadians will smoke anything. I've seen your flag.



2335. Post 11818045 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on July 07, 2015, 11:46:02 PM
Call 555-FATUSELESSBASTARDNEEDSFOOD Now!

Food? You're begging for food?

You don't want to be smoking what the panhandlers of Toronto call "food".

It'll not only turn you into Slenderman, but Sunkeneyesman and Jonesingman too.

 Cheesy

Canadians will smoke anything. I've seen your flag.

Some of us are fussier than others (and more inclined to spending our money wisely).

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/adrian1.jpg?w=310&h=363

This goes a long way to explain how your celebrities are so bland. But...

Is K.D. Lang really Justin Biebers father?

Who decided that Dan Akroyd is a comedian? I've seen he's in a lot of comedies, but he's never funny. Never!

How is it that I have seen all of Kevin Sorbos work? Clearly, there is no reason I should have.



2336. Post 11820056 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

@LFC_Bitcoin @JayJuanGee

Even Masterluc in the "Analysis never ends" thread expects $45k in about 7-8 years. Adam is sooo conservative.


Quote from: masterluc on July 05, 2015, 08:16:20 PM




2337. Post 11820257 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on July 08, 2015, 08:11:43 AM
Ok I say. If u wanna sell do it now. Cuz selling below 270 is just gay at this point.

HODL!

Edit: No more gay 69s.

You can't stop it, just give up.



http://www.gfycat.com/FlickeringGentleBat



2338. Post 11820750 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: readysalted89 on July 08, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
@LFC_Bitcoin @JayJuanGee

Even Masterluc in the "Analysis never ends" thread expects $45k in about 7-8 years. Adam is sooo conservative.





I never thought I would hear anyone calling Adam a bear troll for spreading FUD about how Bitcoin won't go up 166x in 7 to 8 years. Next someone will be calling sgtbet a bear troll for saying it will only reach half a million dollars before the end of the year, and sgtbet will be calling bitpump a bear troll for only expecting 50K by next Christmas.



2339. Post 11821557 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: macsga on July 08, 2015, 11:52:13 AM
Well, I missed that. Citygroup mines its own Bitcoin called "Citycoin"? Premined digital currency for banks? Smells like Ripple.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/07/citibank-is-working-on-its-own-digital-currency-citicoin/

Unfortunate name




2340. Post 11822096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: macsga on July 08, 2015, 12:50:06 PM
Uh-oh...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/frontrunning-july-8

Seems we're in for a wild ride on BTC. I'll add the current surge on LTC's price. CCMF! Grin

Quote from: shmadz on July 08, 2015, 01:13:36 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-08/china-trade-halts-hit-2-2-trillion-as-state-intervention-fails

Quote
Chinese equities have lost more than $3.5 trillion of value in less than a month
And you thought bitcoin was volatile?


Who would have thought?

Quote from: Fatman3001 on June 14, 2015, 03:36:31 PM
China has a habit of using pretty crude methods to regulate its economy. When there was a surplus of aluminium being produced they simply told the banks to stop lending money to aluminium producers. If they are going to adopt a similar ham-fisted approach to the stock market, this thing is gonna get mushroomy

If you guyz just listened to me we would be at $32k $45k already!



2341. Post 11822526 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: aztecminer on July 08, 2015, 02:03:55 PM
i missed that rise to 274 .. i'm not sure what to do yet anyways. its dangerous out there right now.

Buy some litecoins.... a month ago.



2342. Post 11822966 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: inca on July 08, 2015, 02:56:20 PM
Someone trying hard to keep bitcoin down on bitfinex.

Must. Keep. Below. 270!

But when they let go...




2343. Post 11824930 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: rolling on July 08, 2015, 05:15:29 PM
Can someone with a US based brokerage account or Chinese brokerage account buy from Nasdaq Stockholm? Doesn't seem likely.

As far as I know, they can.

I really don't think that's true. It would have been huge news. There is very little of the worlds wealth that can trade on Nasdaq Stockholm.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/20906/bitcoin-tracker-one-etn-now-trading-worldwide-via-interactive-brokers/



2344. Post 11825379 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: rolling on July 08, 2015, 06:43:13 PM
Can someone with a US based brokerage account or Chinese brokerage account buy from Nasdaq Stockholm? Doesn't seem likely.

As far as I know, they can.

I really don't think that's true. It would have been huge news. There is very little of the worlds wealth that can trade on Nasdaq Stockholm.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/20906/bitcoin-tracker-one-etn-now-trading-worldwide-via-interactive-brokers/

Looks like Interactive Brokers is one of the highest rated online brokers too. Time to move my IRA over there so I can buy the ETN. Perfect!

http://online.barrons.com/articles/SB51367578116875004693704580502703510707706

That's impressive. I didn't know that. Nice to see that the highest rated is so eager to add Bitcoin.



2345. Post 11827878 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Karpeles on July 09, 2015, 01:44:30 AM
weekend is coming, will we see a pump or a dump?

Last couple of weekends have been pump.



2346. Post 11829997 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on July 09, 2015, 09:12:30 AM
Call me crazy I think this LTC rally is almost over.

You're Crazy!

If you care to gamble a bit (and you do, you're in Bitcoin), go for it. It's very possible that LTC will reach $15-18. If BTC starts moving we might even see new highs. Set stops and alarms and watch it like a hawk. It's probably best to not go full in though, buy with something like 20-30% of your stash. If you're going to trade you can't chicken away when the action starts.



2347. Post 11830010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: spike420211 on July 09, 2015, 09:14:09 AM
Quote
Although a new Fararri I'm not so sure about.


Looks more like a Fiat LOL



That's a Ferrari Uno, it's number one! And it can be yours if you trade litecoin!



2348. Post 11830059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: nyo_x on July 09, 2015, 09:23:57 AM
Quote
Although a new Fararri I'm not so sure about.


Looks more like a Fiat LOL



That's a Ferrari Uno, it's number one! And it can be yours if you trade litecoin!

The best thing is hidden it has ferrari engine inside, Like LTC Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_R1VZqLcE



2349. Post 11830237 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on July 09, 2015, 09:46:00 AM

1 note is 11.5 SEC

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064294.0

And 1 note is 1/200 BTC



2350. Post 11830305 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on July 09, 2015, 09:47:58 AM
Haha I ate my words.

Send me pics of the supercar.

Did you buy?




2351. Post 11830372 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: soullyG on July 09, 2015, 10:13:18 AM
XBT @ NASDAQ Stockholm is already about to exceed the ATH daily volume Shocked

http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/etp/etn/etninfo?Instrument=SSE109538

It's showing some healthy volume. With all the new exchanges and this ETN we've really come a long way from the Mt.Gox monopoly days.



2352. Post 11830651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: EAL on July 09, 2015, 10:35:13 AM
Quote
Although a new Fararri I'm not so sure about.


Looks more like a Fiat LOL



That's a Ferrari Uno, it's number one! And it can be yours if you trade litecoin!

The best thing is hidden it has ferrari engine inside, Like LTC Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_R1VZqLcE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biDl2WsnHoU

UOENO

350z, great car at a great price



2353. Post 11834159 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 09, 2015, 05:46:48 PM
Taking a shit load of euros, don't worry Torque..

Nice one Inca

The fear is strong in this one ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHa3D-musUw

Without enough fear or enough bad things happening, the Greeks will never consider another type of currency/asset to preserve their savings and wealth.  This includes putting money into bitcoin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAbP49atdU

Sigh...

Lol ... I think I will stick to Yoda's wisdom vs 'roid rage' if you don't mind  Wink

By voting 'Oxi' the Greek people have already shown that they have the balls (ie. lack of fear) to stand up to the EU in the face of financial terrorism.

@hdbuck ... awesome link, thanks !


Actually, I think Syriza is going for something more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt1W0F0yObg



2354. Post 11834169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: hdbuck on July 09, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
Nigel Farage Destroys EU Group-Think: "There's A New Berlin Wall... And It's Called The Euro"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-09/nigel-farage-destroys-eu-group-think-just-4-minutesthere-new-berlin-wall-and-its-cal

Damn right Nigel ! Damn right! Grin


Nigel Farage and Donald Trump... I wonder why Bitcoin hasn't gone mainstream.



2355. Post 11834249 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

All this talk about tx fees. I wonder how the competition copes?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-files-antitrust-charges-against-mastercard-over-cross-border-fees-1436437381



2356. Post 11835355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on July 09, 2015, 08:21:29 PM

2 hours,

Will I look foolish?
Maybe. Tongue

Not more than the rest of us.




2357. Post 11835494 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Fucking Litecoin's stealing our thunder



2358. Post 11835558 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Tzupy on July 09, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
...
I tried shorting litecoin, but not lately. Every time I exited with a tiny loss, just before a pump.
So I think it's still risky, I will only short it if I get the timing right, before the huge red dildo (that will surely happen).
yes, it's a risky business but somebody still has to do it.
I dont mind if others arent at it, that means just more money for me.

I wonder what happened with tarmi's litecoin shorting, in the 4 days since he posted this the price doubled.
While I did pull a few hairs for missing out on this incredible pump, I sure didn't try to short the chickun. Cheesy



This is all we know. Don't really know what it means, but he's alive at least.


Quote from: tarmi on July 08, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
yeap, kinda sad to watch all those bitcoin trolls waiting for a 10 % rise while litecoin is up like 500 %.

 Cheesy


that's because you arent any different from others bull scam a-holes.

consider me shorting ltc a "voice of reason".

If it's sad being up $50 in a month on btc... what does it make the dude who shorted at $235 and then decided to short the arising chickun?





you stupid? that was pure trolling.



2359. Post 11835684 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 09, 2015, 08:56:04 PM

Regarding Greece story, don't you think that if Greece gets debt reduction all other countries in trouble wants it as well?

Yup, and eventually they will get it, instead of crippling 'austerity' and asset stripping.
Greece has struck a huge blow against financial tyranny here, and the aftershocks will be felt for years, whatever the outcome.

Shame of it is that the cost primarily will be borne by ordinary taxpayers rather than the banks that originally made loans *knowing* they could never be paid back. They have already taken their profits, with the CB's holding the majority of this debt now, having taken it at face value from the banks as collateral for fresh loans, or bought it outright in the marketplace through 'QE'.
The whole thing is a sham, and hopefully in time the true extent of it will come to light and people will understand what has really been going on for the last 5 years - a shift of toxic debt from big banks to the general public, most of which will eventually have to be written off.

The mere fact that almost none of the "responsible" countries, who cry foul now, could be bothered with staying under the SGP budget deficit ceiling and the SGP debt level ceiling shows how unrealistic it was to expect voluntary compliance from countries who are infamously imaginative in their accounting.

Stupid greek 1990s and early 2000s politicians made a bet that they could outperform their loans in the long run. The German Frankish Dynamo made a bet that they could make a monetary union without a financial union. They both lost. So let's split the bill and work out how to fix the euro.



2360. Post 11835881 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 09, 2015, 09:33:04 PM

Regarding Greece story, don't you think that if Greece gets debt reduction all other countries in trouble wants it as well?

Yup, and eventually they will get it, instead of crippling 'austerity' and asset stripping.
Greece has struck a huge blow against financial tyranny here, and the aftershocks will be felt for years, whatever the outcome.

Shame of it is that the cost primarily will be borne by ordinary taxpayers rather than the banks that originally made loans *knowing* they could never be paid back. They have already taken their profits, with the CB's holding the majority of this debt now, having taken it at face value from the banks as collateral for fresh loans, or bought it outright in the marketplace through 'QE'.
The whole thing is a sham, and hopefully in time the true extent of it will come to light and people will understand what has really been going on for the last 5 years - a shift of toxic debt from big banks to the general public, most of which will eventually have to be written off.

The mere fact that almost none of the "responsible" countries, who cry foul now, could be bothered with staying under the SGP budget deficit ceiling and the SGP debt level ceiling shows how unrealistic it was to expect voluntary compliance from countries who are infamously imaginative in their accounting.

Stupid greek 1990s and early 2000s politicians made a bet that they could outperform their loans in the long run. The German Frankish Dynamo made a bet that they could make a monetary union without a financial union. They both lost. So let's split the bill and work out how to fix the euro.

Yeh, and it starts with acknowledging that there is a bill to split (bipartisan responsibility) ... this process seems to be happening at the moment. Up until now the stance of creditors has been 'all the money and your prized assets' with a gun at your head - the model the IMF and World Bank has used for decades with remarkable success in Asia and South America. Nice to see it being defeated in Europe, and ironic that the IMF is now backing Greek debt relief.

In the long run I am not sure the Euro can be fixed. In think we end up with at least 2 currencies, one for the north (a stronger one, reflecting their competitive edge) and a naturally weaker one in the South, allowing them to compete, as a free floating currency would. All depends if you believe that a monetary union can be made to work in the absence of fiscal union, in diverse countries with strong nationalistic tendencies. Only time will tell, but so far it does not look good ...

And don't forget, it was the likes of Goldman Sachs who gladly helped those southern countries with their 'imaginative accounting' in order to get them into the Euro, and the ECB who turned a blind eye to it as they knew they had the most power and money to gain from more members.


When you put it like that it's actually quite sickening that a rich european country should be let off the hook while lots of south american and african countries have been struggling with insurmountable debt since the 60s and 70s. I still think sharing the burden is in everyone's best interest though, but ...





2361. Post 11836141 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 09, 2015, 10:06:23 PM
Up until now the stance of creditors has been 'all the money and your prized assets' with a gun at your head - the model the IMF and World Bank has used for decades with remarkable success in Asia and South America. Nice to see it being defeated in Europe, and ironic that the IMF is now backing Greek debt relief.




When you put it like that it's actually quite sickening that a rich european country should be let off the hook while lots of south american and african countries have been struggling with insurmountable debt since the 60s and 70s. I still think sharing the burden is in everyone's best interest though, but ...


BAAAMMM!! And the light shines through! For me this is the most important lesson of all of this - for people to wake up and see that this has been going on globally for decades and is the scourge of American 'capitalism'. Hopefully having it on our own doorstep will help people to realise what it is and that it is simply unacceptable.
Yes, we will all have to share the burden to move through this and there are many worse affected countries than Greece that are still on the hook, or have been milked dry and left to rot. It is insidious and evil and has been done with intent.
Meanwhile the banksters retire to their islands with the loot ...

I missed out the other part of the policy, which is to 'support' (instate) a regime that will continue to impose the inevitable repression needed continue the cycle. The moment opposition arise it is crushed, physiclly or metaphorically, or a leader dies in an unexplained plane crash. This is not the stuff of conspiracy...it's real. This is a damn good read on the subject ...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-shocking/dp/0091909104

I also recommend

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=naomi+klein+shock+doctrine&sprefix=naomi+klein%2Cstripbooks%2C212

She is a bit too 'pumped' but there is a real story in there


Holy Moly! Are you one of those americans who dare call yourself a socialist/social democrat or do you use that retard lingo like liberal or progressive and so on?



2362. Post 11836273 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on July 09, 2015, 10:43:50 PM
Holy Moly! Are you one of those americans who dare call yourself a socialist/social democrat or do you use that retard lingo like liberal or progressive and so on?

No, I'm English, and I reject all labels !! Ain't no box you can put me in  Wink
I am just not in favour of rape and pillage wherever it occurs ... call me old-fashioned if you like!

Damn, I was sure you were american.



2363. Post 11839637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

WTF is happening in China? Are they banning the yuan now or something? $352 at Huobi??

Even Bitcoin Tracker One shot up: https://www.netfonds.no/quotes/ppaper.php?paper=BITCOIN-XBT.ST

Edit: The friggin candle at Huobi on bitcoinwisdom.com went off my screen. I had to zoom out to week-view to see it.



2364. Post 11839707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

All the orderbooks are empty!! And people keeps buying anyway!!

Quote from: jeezy on July 10, 2015, 09:38:55 AM
next 24h critical

BAAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!



2365. Post 11839934 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Elwar on July 10, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
The Litecoin market is not big enough to push Bitcoin up $15 by dropping Litecoin by $2.
this



2366. Post 11841031 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: coinableS on July 10, 2015, 12:28:06 PM
Holy mother of god! What happened while I was sleeping?  I haven't seen a sudden spike like that since the olden days. What's going on, insider knowledge? Is there going to be some big news soon?
Someone told someone that bitcoin is fucking awesome! Buying ensued.



2367. Post 11841202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on July 10, 2015, 12:35:14 PM
So when does Litecoin go back up?

No?

Please tell me you used stops? If you did you should still have made a small profit. Litecoin isn't dead, it just got a hell of a beating.



2368. Post 11841345 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: GaliX on July 10, 2015, 12:53:20 PM
do people really think LTC will go back up after it got pumped and then dumped today?

have you never seen any shitcoin charts?

I still think it has a role to play. I might even buy some one day.



2369. Post 11841376 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: shmadz on July 10, 2015, 01:04:32 PM
For once in my life, I finally made a great trade.

In my portfolio I had 3000 LTC from all the way back to 2013, was going to hodl it until LTC hit $100 (yeah I know, so pretty much forever).

Made the decision to trade it all for BTC the day before yesterday at ~$5.5.  Got around 60 BTC for it.

Then watched LTC climb higher the following day.  For a brief sec, felt a little irritated.  But then made peace with my decision.  My goal was always to try and get more BTC, and I did.

Woke up this morning, and felt even better about my decision.  Cheesy

Of course, these lucky breaks never come very often for me...

Well done sir. Kudos.

+1 You deserve it



2370. Post 11841734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on July 10, 2015, 01:23:21 PM
Nah not gonna sell my LTC.

I actually did get out of LTC till about 7 something the bought again at 7.77 i think.

Then Bought at 5.517 with some reserves.

It was all good fun. Yall can keep the money. Ill keep the LTC.

Don't party too hard, may not be good for your health. And you might scratch that new supercar!

Seriously I know I'm trading with the devil here. Yall can gloat till hell freezes over. Hah.

And if maybe you're an honest good natured person and made some money... I'm happy for u.



You can't trade litecoin without stops. At least put one in now.



2371. Post 11841831 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: BitofaN1 on July 10, 2015, 01:44:24 PM
Not to shit on everyone's parade, but we only have 5k support to 258(finex).Keep your eyes on the charts.

I'm not worried




2372. Post 11842215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on July 10, 2015, 02:11:37 PM
Nah not gonna sell my LTC.

I actually did get out of LTC till about 7 something the bought again at 7.77 i think.

Then Bought at 5.517 with some reserves.

It was all good fun. Yall can keep the money. Ill keep the LTC.

Don't party too hard, may not be good for your health. And you might scratch that new supercar!

Seriously I know I'm trading with the devil here. Yall can gloat till hell freezes over. Hah.

And if maybe you're an honest good natured person and made some money... I'm happy for u.



You can't trade litecoin without stops. At least put one in now.

Hah. I tried puting one on but it sold within 5 minutes. It was a .09 trailing stop.

Then I tried a .20 trailing stop. It sold within 3 minutes.

I figures I could not afford LTC without risking all of it.

lol!

I will butt out. I still think LTC will move up some more. I just don't know how far down it will go before that happens.



2373. Post 11842254 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on July 10, 2015, 02:26:08 PM
This litecoin rise won't break anytime soon. Couple of other interesting btc-e coins will see even bigger gains in the close future.
This was all predictable if you knew more then to buy one type of coin and then just sit on your ass, trying to pray for success.

 Cheesy

Most inexperienced traders don't know that you should actually fear slow declines more. Fast drops like this are mainly meant for one thing - to create panic that will force the weak minded folks to sell. What you're witnessing here is a bear trap that is traditional in the initial phase of a bubble. What makes it funny is that bitcoin was actually used only a tool to shake off more potential coins from weak hands.
These shakes are quite entertaining and you can win a nice sum with 1h trading if you keep your head cool.

Interesting.

Rationalizing looks dumber when others do it.



2374. Post 11843014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on July 10, 2015, 02:55:30 PM

Interesting.

Rationalizing looks dumber when others do it.

Let's wait some days and see if I'm right or not.
This is certainly not the first time when someone tries to ridicule my advice. Ever since December of 2013, I have started to loathe bitcoiners more and more for it. It's kind of heartless, but I will actually feel joy when the most fanatical bitcoin zealots will go broke. I really think that they are the culprits of their tragedy and they deserve what's coming for them.

And you, of course, valiantly refuses to take that as a hint. And if the "most fanatical bitcoin zealots" haven't gone broke by now, they won't.

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on July 10, 2015, 05:13:59 AM
This litecoin rise won't break anytime soon. Couple of other interesting btc-e coins will see even bigger gains in the close future.
This was all predictable if you knew more then to buy one type of coin and then just sit on your ass, trying to pray for success.

I'd say it's broken. It may go up again, but now: broken.



2375. Post 11844525 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: StarenseN on July 10, 2015, 06:24:55 PM

Quoting again.

Your prediction is advantageous to me. I approve.




2376. Post 11844744 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on July 10, 2015, 06:45:30 PM
Did not expect another push today... Let's make the 300 and stay above!

I wasn't expecting this quite so soon either.

Let's see what happens when China wakes up.

Anyone still not believe that capitulation happened in January?

They will be filled with furious anger






2377. Post 11845379 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Elwar on July 10, 2015, 07:57:24 PM
I wonder if someone set up a bot to buy more based on the amount of Bitcoin transactions on the network Tongue
LMFAO!!



2378. Post 11846333 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

The whales of today are so boring. For the princely sum of three million USD they have the opportunity to punch a big gaping hole in $300, but nooo. That would be too much fun.

pussies

Screw this! I'm going to bed.

Just in case:

Quote from: Norway on July 10, 2015, 06:34:59 PM
Have your 300-gifs ready...





2379. Post 11849585 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: inca on July 11, 2015, 08:50:15 AM
I would be feeling very bullish if it werent for the bidside order book looking so weak.

The huge bid wall we've been living with for the past month was controlled by 1 entity. The fact that it's gone and we're not falling makes me feel bullish.



2380. Post 11853514 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: BitChick on July 11, 2015, 04:12:24 PM
I am assuming that once we pass the $300 mark things really start getting fun.  

I am a little frustrated today though.  My husband told me that his aunt, which decided to purchase a few coins at $650 a while ago, called yesterday and wanted to bail out and told him to sell them all (he was holding them for her because she seemed to have difficulty with computer security).  Really?  Right when the rally is just getting started?  Sigh.  Now is the time to buy or at least HODL!

That is the definition of a weak hand.

I don't feel sorry for those weak hands. If you can't keep your BTC safe, sell with loss. People who realise this opportunity will gladly buy them coins and make huge profits on short term.

When it is family it is hard not to feel sorry for "weak hands".  We will probably just pay her the difference later when the price increases, but that means that we are losing a couple grand just because she got scared and bailed.  Sad  I would have just sent her cash and kept the coins but we are not that liquid right now.  Most of our extra cash is tied up. Wink  

That would be the worst thing you could do (ok, maybe not worst, that would be just telling your aunt the bitcoins were lost in a tragic boating accident and giving her nothing.)

You may think you are being "charitable" but you are doing her and yourself a disservice. Losing money is how the market teaches lessons. If you bail her out she learns nothing, and you punish yourself for being right. It may be some kind of ridiculous, err, religious self suffering sacrifice thing, but don't kid yourself, you're not doing anyone any favors here.

(Actually, upon reflection, I think I was right the first time; bailing out your aunt *is* the worst thing. At least if you were to keep the bitcoin and give her nothing she would learn a very valuable lesson about third party risk and you would be richer for teaching that lesson.)

Maybe you are right.  We haven't promised her anything yet.  I just feel bad about the timing of it all.  But patience is a virtue.  I wish she could have just been a little more patient.  My husband felt bad because when it took a dip the first time around she wanted to bail then and he encouraged her not to worry about it and just ride it out.  She said that the next time she wanted to sell he wasn't supposed to argue with her so he didn't this time.  I feel like she waited this long, what is another week or two?  She is going to feel really stupid in a couple months. I don't want her upset with us.  There is a reason some people have a hard time with investments though.

In theory, she's a grown woman and should take responsibility for her own choices. However, family is tricky. I haven't advised my friends or family to buy Bitcoin. I've told them about it, but never encouraged them to buy any as an investment. Cause I know it would poison our relationship if the price moves against them. However, things are looking good for BTC atm so if you could take the risk upon yourself and delay the sale a bit, it might not be so expensive to bail her out.

Edit: didn't see this one:

Quote from: gentlemand on July 11, 2015, 04:19:16 PM

I think the lesson is - don't pull your nearest and dearest into your own investment fever. Regardless of what happens everything will always be your fault.

She loses her coins - your fault. She sells at a loss - your fault. You bail her out and the price explodes - your fault. It's an infinite hiding to nothing.

+1



2381. Post 11856362 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on July 12, 2015, 03:43:20 AM
What's up with Stamp?

IDK, but I have a message for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfcDvOzU6pQ




2382. Post 11856373 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on July 12, 2015, 03:49:58 AM
What's up with Stamp?

IDK, but I have a message for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfcDvOzU6pQ



Quote from: BlackSpidy on July 12, 2015, 03:51:28 AM
$300 across all important exchanges! Yeah!



Sorry, BTC-e

Never underestimate the power of swedish pop music



2383. Post 11858672 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Hmmmm.... This bag I am holding is filling up mighty quick. It's like it's magic or something.



2384. Post 11859803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: inca on July 12, 2015, 02:03:10 PM
Wonderful to be on holiday with bitcoin entering orbit..

I hope this run has a bit more steam. Raising my glass to the bitcoin bulls who held strong and bought through the dark times Smiley

You said i all along Inca, you were our guiding star.



2385. Post 11859971 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: natewelt on July 12, 2015, 02:55:52 PM
It will be interesting to watch GBTC this week. Each share represents .09653305 BTC at this time so at 315 we are looking at a share price of $30.41 which is about where it closed last Friday.

So far it has traded well above its NAV, but I just think that is because it has been super clunky with low volume. Hopefully volume will pick up and it will start to mirror BTC more accurately.


http://grayscale.co/bitcoin-investment-trust/


GBTC is a fairly closed system. It might explode when the pressure rises. Might produce some news articles, but otherwise a poor indicator of anything for the rest of us.



2386. Post 11862229 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 12, 2015, 07:14:12 PM
Bears waiting for sub 300. Again.

Will it blend?

Wut? Why we slowing down?




2387. Post 11862247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on July 12, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
I'd like a dump back to $290's so I can get back in on the trading simulator.

Any weak hands wanna help a brother out?

On the whatwhat?

We ain't playin.

BUY BITCOINS!!!!

NOW!!!



2388. Post 11862278 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: PhilipMorris on July 12, 2015, 07:39:38 PM
Looks like the correction allready completed  Shocked

I bought again.

good boy



2389. Post 11862335 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on July 12, 2015, 07:41:26 PM
I love you Bitcoin.

I love you too. Now get back down again. Daddy needs some stress release.



2390. Post 11862357 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Greendragon on July 12, 2015, 07:46:35 PM
I love you Bitcoin.

I love you too. Now get back down again. Daddy needs some stress release.




Sorry kiddo, you weren't supposed to hear that.



2391. Post 11862450 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Dump3er on July 12, 2015, 05:11:54 AM
I’m so disappointed. I wished bulls would suffer a lot more, but it all looks like the bleeding has stopped. Angry

No more bear market  Cry  Cry  Cry

Quote from: Dump3er on July 12, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
I'd like a dump back to $290's so I can get back in on the trading simulator.

Any weak hands wanna help a brother out?

Oh shit! The trading simulator! The dump3er forgot the fucking trading simulator for various days while analizing the market development. Now I can’t boast with my gains! Fuck it!  Angry

I hate to see you like this. Maybe you can take an evening walk in the park and kick some pigeons? That'll cheer you up!



2392. Post 11862602 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

China trading at +$10



2393. Post 11862721 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.20h):

Quote from: Dump3er on July 12, 2015, 08:25:19 PM
I’m so disappointed. I wished bulls would suffer a lot more, but it all looks like the bleeding has stopped. Angry

No more bear market  Cry  Cry  Cry

I'd like a dump back to $290's so I can get back in on the trading simulator.

Any weak hands wanna help a brother out?

Oh shit! The trading simulator! The dump3er forgot the fucking trading simulator for various days while analizing the market development. Now I can’t boast with my gains! Fuck it!  Angry

I hate to see you like this. Maybe you can take an evening walk in the park and kick some pigeons? That'll cheer you up!

I’ll give it a try! Thanks for your comprehension.




what does anal fucking the marked, do for you?

Pure Satisfaction!! You should give it a try!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Best typo ever, I’m very proud of it! If you want similar typos please use: http://jormy.com/nintype/


It says there that it learns how you write and guesses what you're trying to write. And it guessed "analizing"...



2394. Post 11865890 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

It was fun while it lasted



2395. Post 11868056 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: rebuilder on July 13, 2015, 12:24:59 PM
Another extra-early, farmers' hours good morning Bitcoinland.

Got up to answer the call of nature, gassed up the generator in anticipation of a Monday morning dip and see it already happened.

You're off the grid?

Oh yeah!




2396. Post 11870159 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Richy_T on July 13, 2015, 04:18:53 PM
metals have a intrinsic value while bitcoins does not. i no longer trust bitcoin because it is, in my opinion, manipulated by whales and exchanges.your in the club or your not... their are predators out hunting for some poor newb who invests a bunch money into the scheme while they pump it and then they turn around and dump on them causing them to fear and dump their coins at a loss for their gain.. you trying to claim that is a system we can trust ?? this is my new opinion about bitcoin.


There is no such thing as intrinsic value.

Gold's utility value is pretty low and its current price is mostly speculative. Good luck with that.

+345



2397. Post 11870311 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: chmod755 on July 13, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
wtf? please elaborate!

He probably had some money in BTC: http://www.coindesk.com/50-cent-bitcoin-payments-new-album-animal-ambition/

Wouldn't that make him 500mBTC?



2398. Post 11881066 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Hi Guyz!

I've developed a more open attitude to TA. I've even tinkered a bit with it myself:



Please tell me what you think.



2399. Post 11882442 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Erdogan on July 15, 2015, 12:06:34 AM

You are obviusly not stupid, and yes, the value is defined not by the beer in itself, but individuals, considering it, all persons are different, so there is no yardstick, it is personal, psychological, individual. Every price you see, is the value from individuals preferring, with the help of their total life experience and individual needs, one thing over another. Is this your problem, do you think that therefore, we can not group value into two distinct types, intrinsic and speculative?


Oh, we can have many groups of value. In fact, I would say that intrinsic and speculative would surely not be enough since, in my book, intrinsic value would be an empty set. Speculative is a subset of extrinsic value since one might value something not merely because one hopes to exchange it for increased value/price later.

Now, the intrinsic properties of gold might have subjective value in the common sphere. It is shiny, resists corrosion, easily malleable, heavy (dense), all that jazz. But all those are location, time and context dependent.

At this stage, I think we both see where the other is coming from so there's little point beating it to death and there are many better places to read about the arguments. Austrian economics just tends to reject the idea of intrinsic value.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_theory_of_value

Again, you seem to be fixed on the word subjective, as if it under discussion. Who talks about objective value? Not me. Your struggle with the word intrinsic, is as if you are hypnotized, and programmed to go into delirium mode when the word intrinsic is uttered.

Well your attitude is not helpful. It is destructive. It is a barrier to learning a meaningful aspect of money.

And no, there are no better places for this discussion. This is the best place.


The reason he might seem "as if [he is] hypnotized" is that that is what you are discussing. Does gold have intrinsic value? Is there such a thing as intrinsic value in economics or are all concepts of value in economics subjective? His position is a non-positivistic one.



2400. Post 11882764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: TerraMaster on July 15, 2015, 03:15:54 AM
I can't believe you guys are still talking about  intrinsic value....

Since I have no clue on how to explain intrinsic value. I looked it up lol

Watch the video midway down the page. Very simple now to understand or explain  Grin

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/intrinsicvalue.asp



The problem occurred when aztecminer claimed that gold will always have intrinsic value. This problem can't be solved by purely looking at the problem through the specter of the financial definition of intrinsic value, since the basis of the premise is that the value of gold remains regardless of the market. So what do you have left? You can either claim that gold has intrinsic value, as in value in itself, through the specter of kantian concepts of value, which I doubt anyone is suggesting (come to think of it, not so sure anymore). Or, that gold has intrinsic value, value in itself, via a positivistic epistemological conception. I guess you could argue for this last one, but positivism is a very unsatisfactory basis for anything.

Edit: I might be reading too much into this.




2401. Post 11882916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Erdogan on July 15, 2015, 04:17:41 AM
I can't believe you guys are still talking about  intrinsic value....

Since I have no clue on how to explain intrinsic value. I looked it up lol

Watch the video midway down the page. Very simple now to understand or explain  Grin

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/intrinsicvalue.asp



I am somewhat disbelieving too.

Sry, back to my gifs.



CCMF!!!



2402. Post 11884651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Tzupy on July 15, 2015, 10:32:46 AM
Some bearish news: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/dozens-arrested-in-international-crackdown-on-darkode-crime-forum/
It is possible the feds will have more bitcoins to auction during the next year.

Will you short on the parliament voting today?



2403. Post 11884708 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Prob a repost, but:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33531845

"One senior IMF official said the fund would only participate in a third bailout for Greece if EU creditors produce "a clear plan"."

Seems like this greek tragedy has some twists and bends left.



2404. Post 11885292 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Torque on July 15, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
Prob a repost, but:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33531845

"One senior IMF official said the fund would only participate in a third bailout for Greece if EU creditors produce "a clear plan"."

Seems like this greek tragedy has some twists and bends left.

Yeah.  Check this out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/upshot/the-imf-is-telling-europe-the-euro-doesnt-work.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0

I wonder if it is a coincidence that the french head of the IMF gives Hollande just what he needs to twist Finlands and Germanys arms.



2405. Post 11885816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Richy_T on July 15, 2015, 01:36:31 PM
Just popped in to say that I stand by what I said about intrinsic value. I just don't see how to continue the discussion without repeating myself so I won't. Fatman gave a concise and accurate summary of what I'm about, thank you.

Thx, glad to hear it.




2406. Post 11887384 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on July 15, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
If you really want to discuss these issues I'm sure you can use your hero account, as long as you're careful with the spice. Or just make a new one and behave.

That's a big if.

Discussions are multilateral. Trolling is a one-way street.


With no speed limits.



2407. Post 11890245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

losing money sucks



2408. Post 11890437 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: natewelt on July 15, 2015, 11:44:33 PM
The weak hands are being shaken out right now. Great time to buy

Except, it never stops.




2409. Post 11890500 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):



If anyone needs something to listen to while watching the price movement, here's an old classic bit of faux radio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPytfSy-04




2410. Post 11893611 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Mayer Amschel on July 16, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
hahah priceless  Grin

Well, the punchline turned out to be in italian. The shame...



2411. Post 11895200 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: lorylore on July 16, 2015, 03:02:37 PM
going under 200$ Shocked Cheesy Grin

Need to go under 280 first Smiley

EDIT: let's see if the ask walls are real.

Well it just went under 277.12$ - 2.36% from past 14 hours i think. This is a bad thing what is happening ?

The same thing behind every BTC move starts with "Ch", and ends with "na", oh and there's an "i" somewhere in there

Well i am trying to combine these letters, is it China?
We know china is a big country but their affects is very high

I think it's Inca "H"(for hell). He's in Greece now, trying to stir up some hell.



2412. Post 11895405 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: 3x2 on July 16, 2015, 03:31:31 PM
again the dump.


At least volume is up



2413. Post 11899192 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on July 17, 2015, 01:56:33 AM


Bullish (Notice the volume) ?

That can't be right. I get the same number, but it seems outlandish. Would any blockchain-spotters care to comment?



2414. Post 11900546 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

I've got this pain in my digital wallet. Any ideas?



2415. Post 11900746 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Bagatell on July 17, 2015, 08:24:07 AM
I've got this pain in my digital wallet. Any ideas?

http://www.babypips.com/school/undergraduate/senior-year/scaling-in-and-out/what-is-scaling.html

Fat jokes, eh?

Quote from: hdbuck on July 17, 2015, 08:17:42 AM
people that did not see this casual pump&dump pattern and thus did not take the opportunity to maximize their btc holdings are retards.

ps: shrot @314

Thx, f u 2



2416. Post 11915266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

I'm looking at BTC-E and see that DanV went berserk to get his $150 coins. Guess it's straight up from here.



2417. Post 11915765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: solex on July 19, 2015, 10:04:39 AM
Jeez. No trip to the stars without yet one more check of basement?



2418. Post 11916179 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):


Donald Trump is leading the polls among republican presidential candidates.

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-donald-trump-leads-gop-primary-2015-7

"The Fox News poll also found that 44% of all voters — including 70% of Republicans — said they thought Trump was "basically right" that Mexico was sending "rapists" and other criminals to the US."




2419. Post 11917905 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 19, 2015, 02:55:59 PM


Don't worry. I think you'll be ok.




2420. Post 11918378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 19, 2015, 05:27:01 PM


Don't worry. I think you'll be ok.

[ gif in poor taste ]

Gif hits a little too close to home. Reminds me of my father..

sry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrIiLvg58SY




2421. Post 11921478 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on July 20, 2015, 05:07:38 AM
Wow, I just noticed the BTC-e dump. Wow, I'm really surprised that it didnt have a larger effect on the price (I have o idea how many Bitcoin were dumped). I really wish I could have gotten some BTC (or fraction of) for $150. Really, I'm optimistic. I hope we're not in for another week of boredom.

About 5000 coins I think.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1127306.msg11916788#msg11916788

Wow, and BTC-e is already back up at $270. Someone might have tried to start a crash (can that been done with 5000 coins?), but we're soldering through!

agreed




2422. Post 11923014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

testing, testing...





2423. Post 11924117 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: empowering on July 20, 2015, 01:09:13 PM
Been having fun gentlemen? 

Smiley



Norm!




2424. Post 11926763 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 20, 2015, 05:44:55 PM

According to whom?


This lot http://www.redpoint.com/about-us

However my grandma just increased her investment in my automated prostate massage machine from $2.74 to $31.83 so I've claimed the title for now.


Is there really any machinery involved, or is it just you and your grandma in a basement?




2425. Post 11927108 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 20, 2015, 06:11:38 PM

Is there really any machinery involved, or is it just you and your grandma in a basement?



At the moment it's a couple of straws plugged into each other with a furry tip but most times I have to 'go manual' on a client when we suffer hardware failure.

With this injection of seed money I'm looking to make the switch to bits of scrap metal held together with spit. Exciting times ahead.

Sounds like the Space Shuttle program.

"Yes, it's a bad idea. But with enough money we can make it work."




2426. Post 11927115 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):




2427. Post 11927197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

To any of you who wants to give google translate something to chew on:

http://www.vg.no/forbruker/teknologi/forbrukerombudet-mener-vipps-reklame-er-ulovlig/a/23492185/

Basically, the norwegian bank DNBs mobile payments app is accused of wrongfully advertising itself of being instant, while it's no faster than any domestic bank transfer. This, by the way, is the same bank that refused to work with Justcoin last year.



2428. Post 11928430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on July 20, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
On our way back to 280's. Solid support at 275.



2429. Post 11928565 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: mrkavasaki on July 20, 2015, 10:04:10 PM
did you guys already know that billionaire starinvestor yuri milner loves bitcoin? Shocked



He's a tech investor. His grasp of realism can be questioned though. He's just announced that he's going to spend $100 000 000 to look for aliens.



2430. Post 11928733 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 20, 2015, 10:11:52 PM
did you guys already know that billionaire starinvestor yuri milner loves bitcoin? Shocked



He's a tech investor. His grasp of realism can be questioned though. He's just announced that he's going to spend $100 000 000 to look for aliens.

What could be more ahead of the curve than that?

Well, he is a billionaire. Maybe he's got the pulse on this shizzle. Soon we'll be sending bitcoins to aliens from the other side of the galaxy!




2431. Post 11940674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on July 22, 2015, 03:56:24 AM
Watch those shakeouts boys, they always come when you least expect them. The more nervous they make you, the more effective they are. Looks like this one is good to buy.

Don't say that! I still have a bunch moar coinz I want to get on the cheap. I gotta get the liquidation price on my margin long up to the triple digits.

Sad to see you've become one of those. You know what's right. You know what's good. Do it!





2432. Post 11946155 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: fff13 on July 22, 2015, 07:45:53 PM
Things don't look good.

I'll try, but I don't know if it will help.




2433. Post 11952312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):




2434. Post 11953967 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Somekindabitcoin on July 23, 2015, 06:01:39 PM
What do you think about Bitcoin price in let's say 3 years from now? In 2018?
Do you that Bitcoin has a potential to go up or to go down?

Yes.

Up or down? You didn't answer my questions dude.. Cheesy

According to Our Lord and Saviour:

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 21, 2015, 01:11:35 AM
I bet we'll see 269 or 265 before 300 again, but 280 is a fucking good buy, and so is 300, FFS its going to 32,000K next bubble scheduled for take off in ~2years, buy or die.



2435. Post 11962480 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

for the record : ccmf



2436. Post 11962544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: klee on July 24, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
BS

Don't you get it?

This is when Bitcoin will truly shine! All we'll have left is the magic of the internet!



Just counting them coins! CCMF!!!




2437. Post 11962856 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: klee on July 24, 2015, 08:09:01 PM
BS

Don't you get it?

This is when Bitcoin will truly shine! All we'll have left is the magic of the internet!



Just counting them coins! CCMF!!!


I don't argue if BTC will moon or not but it's possible role as a world reserve currency.

BTC MAYBE be SOMEDAY a part of the SDR which WILL be soon THE world reserve currency.

I don't disagree with you. Just poking fun at the "BTC can only thrive on doom" theory.

I do think some countries will skip the SDR bit and go straight for BTC though. Companies definitely will.

Anyhew, paper wallets on the moon FTW!!!



2438. Post 11963251 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on July 24, 2015, 10:37:13 PM
The winklevii already have investors ready to buy as soon as they go live.  They know alot of high power people.


I don't doubt they know powerful people but powerful people are "usually" powerful as they are fairly intelligent.

Now, I am mildly semi intelligent and I know if I were them I'd buy before Gemini is launched and the price potentially rises.

Why wait for the winkles?

I am not sold on this Gemini exchange doing much at all to the price. Not moon bound anyway but............

I really hope I am wrong and everyone points and laughs at me.

There is nothing new anymore about a regulated exchange. And with the swedish ETN the Twinkletossers ETF has lost much of it's novelty. But they somehow get all the media and all the fat cats to listen to them. Often just to point and laugh, but listen they do.

Don't get me wrong. I still think a fully regulated ETF listed in NY is a big deal, just not as big as it was. And with the other exchanges, the ETN and general acceptance of BTC in financial circles, we don't need the Facepalm Bros to launch this mofo.



2439. Post 11965544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

I genuinely think all critique against aztec will be silenced if you just take a look at the books he has written. Take a real hard look.



2440. Post 11966649 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: Elwar on July 25, 2015, 08:51:08 AM
I genuinely think all critique against aztec will be silenced if you just take a look at the books he has written. Take a real hard look.

Downloaded a bittorrent pdf of a few. Not all that impressed.

I think I might have been too subtle. But I will have to write in code in case the feds are watching this: K i i B


Quote from: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on July 25, 2015, 09:00:34 AM
I genuinely think all critique against aztec will be silenced if you just take a look at the books he has written. Take a real hard look.

which book should one better start with?

None. Don't even. They're more bizarre than RTs coverage of the Ukraine crisis.





2441. Post 11966834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.21h):

Quote from: inca on July 25, 2015, 11:17:40 AM
I genuinely think all critique against aztec will be silenced if you just take a look at the books he has written. Take a real hard look.

I did once. Unusual stuff!!

You are a kind man.



2442. Post 11970080 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on July 25, 2015, 07:25:23 PM
To The M.....ike Tyson Bitcoin ATM ┗(°0°)┛

https://twitter.com/MikeTyson/status/624986928690036737

How much mike tyson will pump bitcoin ?

(i hope he will not make bitcoin KO  Grin )

Who's next, Bill Cosby?  Tongue

The George Foreman BATM.

Grill/Hardware wallet.

"Cookin' food and stashin' bits since 2015"

Or Grill/Bitcoin miner.



2443. Post 11985539 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):


For the record: ccmf



2444. Post 12039684 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Ugh, just came back. 50 pages to go through.



2445. Post 12040060 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: GaliX on August 03, 2015, 09:14:43 AM
WoW.... The rockets are posting again lol.....



2446. Post 12040403 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on August 03, 2015, 09:44:26 AM
Ugh, just came back. 50 pages to go through.

Quick sumary:

Bears be bearish
Bulls be bullish
NLC made an appearance.
Inca posted dubious pictures of children.

And bitcoin? Well, bitcoin did fuck all except go down a bit and then start to come up.

Saved you at least an hour there.... Grin

Inca did whatwhat?



2447. Post 12057830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 05, 2015, 04:05:53 AM
I did attempt to clarify for him, but he kept saying that he does NOT understand, and that he is NOT going to invest into anything that he does NOT understand.

People who do not understand something should not invest in it. But they should also STFU.

When talking to people like this, sometimes I get the sense that I am receiving a live troll job, because they get you to go through a detailed, specific and extensive explanation, and then afterwards they act as if they did NOT understand a damn thing that was said (even though you know that they are smarter than that).

I tend to avoid the word "crypto". Whenever I say "crypto" you can see their eyes become smaller and fade out completely. It's taken me a while to understand how severely people who don't understand Bitcoin don't understand Bitcoin.

I've been in talks with a former project manager for a chip developer for a couple of years and he is still asking questions which shows that he doesn't understand what Bitcoin is all about. And that guy is way smarter than me.



2448. Post 12067497 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: Spider-Carnage on August 06, 2015, 08:12:42 AM
I just really hope I manage to get some BTC below $300. So, guys, prepare to go past $320. God knows whenever I want cheap coins, the price goes up

... Wait. That sounds familiar.

I just really hope I manage to get some BTC below $300. So, guys, prepare to go past $320. God knows whenever I want cheap coins, the price goes up  Undecided

Please don't steal my comments. Hey guys, new account because some meanie gave me bad rep because he "disapproves of account farming".

... are you account farming?

If not, you could neg his rep right back until you find a resolution.



2449. Post 12068295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 06, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Looks like we're going down? I really hope we don't fall fellw 275 USD, I'm not in the mood for another downward spiral to sub 270 & even below. Come on people these are still cheap coins, I'm absolutely at a loss as to ahy we're not getting new money pumped in right now. The fair price of 1 bitcoin is surely 350 USD +.
I'd say $5K, but the market just won't listen!



2450. Post 12069124 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: Spider-Carnage on August 06, 2015, 11:54:20 AM
I just really hope I manage to get some BTC below $300. So, guys, prepare to go past $320. God knows whenever I want cheap coins, the price goes up

... Wait. That sounds familiar.

I just really hope I manage to get some BTC below $300. So, guys, prepare to go past $320. God knows whenever I want cheap coins, the price goes up  Undecided

Please don't steal my comments. Hey guys, new account because some meanie gave me bad rep because he "disapproves of account farming".

... are you account farming?

If not, you could neg his rep right back until you find a resolution.

Depends on what you mean. Cause I do have a few other accounts that I intend on selling, but none of them are or have ever been in signature campaigns (he made a big deal about that and what a scammer could do with an account ), and none of them have (or will have) trading history. Sorry I'm still not completely familiar with terminology here. Ether way, I really dont think it warrants marking my account with bad reputation.

He said there was a difference between me and some other guy that sold his account(s)... I don't know. I hate being caught up in drama.

On another note, it's good that $280 seems to be holding up.

Sounds like farming to me. Kind of odd that he would neg rep you though. The Powers That Be seems to be ok with that kind of activity, so I don't see why that guy goes vigilante on you. If you really want to make money on crypto though, and you don't have a lot of money to invest, you could just set yourself as a crypto-currency consultant. Chances are that you know more about crypto than your local bank or most in the tech or investment community where you live.



2451. Post 12069160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: CEG5952 on August 06, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
Looks like we're going down? I really hope we don't fall fellw 275 USD, I'm not in the mood for another downward spiral to sub 270 & even below. Come on people these are still cheap coins, I'm absolutely at a loss as to ahy we're not getting new money pumped in right now. The fair price of 1 bitcoin is surely 350 USD +.

With this price, I'm winning! I've got enough coins to hodl until it pumps up again to $300 above. I smell popcorns popping by next week. Or probably just the caramel melting.



2452. Post 12069395 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: CEG5952 on August 06, 2015, 01:14:27 PM
Looks like we're going down? I really hope we don't fall fellw 275 USD, I'm not in the mood for another downward spiral to sub 270 & even below. Come on people these are still cheap coins, I'm absolutely at a loss as to ahy we're not getting new money pumped in right now. The fair price of 1 bitcoin is surely 350 USD +.

With this price, I'm winning! I've got enough coins to hodl until it pumps up again to $300 above. I smell popcorns popping by next week. Or probably just the caramel melting.


Yep. I'm bi-winning and it's auto tuned winning


Damn! You got me all fired up!

                $1700 HERE WE COME!!!




2453. Post 12069435 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 06, 2015, 01:36:12 PM


thats how you pepper your angus..

Nope. Unless your strokes are really sloppy, the lube is in the wrong place.



2454. Post 12070376 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Quote from: liveroil on August 06, 2015, 03:21:30 PM
Hey fatman,

Hello Sunshine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo



2455. Post 12085748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):

Fairly low volume for such a move.



2456. Post 12087076 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.22h):



Retard Mode is setting in. Time to go up.



2457. Post 12087278 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on August 08, 2015, 03:29:25 PM


Retard Mode is setting in. Time to go up.


Havent seen a "Is bitcoin ded?" post yet. Too soon.

PS  Where is dev?  Grin

Well, at least volume is up.



2458. Post 12087331 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on August 08, 2015, 03:39:57 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

First real volume in weeks I see, and it's a $10 dumpdown.

Enough to get the trolls 'n' sox worked up to the lather point.

I immediately stuffed a couple of grand into my wallet to go buy a few more coins, then realized my neighborhood 4% fee BTC ATM is only open Monday-Friday. Since Decentral actually raised it's ATM fees to 9% this is a deal-breaker.

Hopefully these cheap prices will last until Monday morning. Why do these things always seem to happen on weekends or when I'm out of town? Sigh.
_______

BTW, for those who expressed concern, it seems I've beaten the pneumonia. Went to the hospital for a follow-up on Thursday and was given a clean bill of health.

Also, for those who find my morning greetings repetitive and boring, what about Abercrombie's "Is crypto done?" post on every little dip? Does he actually think it's clever or funny? LOL

Your greetings are always welcome. The world is just full of assholes. I should know.

Oh, and nice to hear that you beat that Mr.Pneumon guy. He's an asshole too.



2459. Post 12087418 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Dump3er on August 08, 2015, 03:56:07 PM
Soo many bear trolls right now! I think I'll come back in 24 hours when we are over $300 and NLC will start posting that princess di beanie baby....

300??...but..but...they told me 32,000   Angry

SOONTM



2460. Post 12087611 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: dreamspark on August 08, 2015, 04:34:00 PM
look how the cocksuckers rape this six year old child. i hope you die.

If macsga is honest about putting quite offensive Bulls also on "THE LIST"...

...you must be on "THE LIST" for a time. You are one of those bulltards that are more offensive and embarrassing  than a legion of trolls.

still begging for satoshis in your signature? maybe i should send you some?

please beg and i send you some, kid

You will be my first ignore I ever made. The most nasty trolls (as I can't ignore myself) ...and the must bulltarded bulltards didn't managed it... but reading you I feel vicariously embarrassed.

i sent you 10$ https://blockchain.info/de/tx/0a74f5a7e688eeef0a00566023b91dad761f5f34d33fac6a4357653174c9e981

no its written to the blockchain for eternity that you are a whiny, begging bitch.

hahaha

Didn't you just send him 0.372. Thats like $70. Please tell me you did that by accident cause if it is thats hilarious.

WOW!

Hey Dakota! I think you're an asshole too!

Here's my address:  1RKBSfWxZXsp3R14jVG4BbChRExLvXkym



2461. Post 12089123 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 08, 2015, 08:08:36 PM

Oh yeah, anyone who followed this one after the 24 hour period was up should have managed to short at around 0.008 on karken and made a nice 3x on this move... But yeah I guess I don't know what I'm taking about...


Hyped IPO Bitcoin killer with murky premine and massively restricted supply in price plunge shocker when it actually trades.

...let me just...

Quote from: gentlemand on August 08, 2015, 08:08:36 PM
(1) Hyped IPO Bitcoin killer
(2) with murky premine
(3) and massively restricted supply
(4) in price plunge shocker when it actually trades.

Ok,

1. It was never intended to compete with Bitcoin.
2. The premine is recorded on the Bitcoin Blockchain
3. Compared to what?
4. For some traders perhaps, but not if you know anything about the technology and its purpose.

Keep an eye out for ethereum. It might become Bitcoins killer app.



2462. Post 12089710 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kpyhzj5_BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWi7zQQzdKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DF66BdoW1U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1DWBKk5xHQ



2463. Post 12093213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: eerygarden on August 09, 2015, 09:51:42 AM
totally awesome of bitfinex to refuse to file a $5000 NY bitlicense thus cutting off all people in the finance capital of fucking america and instigating +/-$300,000,000 in btc market devaluation


Gemini is coming.

Waiting for Gemini is like being a prostitute that needs to service a 95 year old man who forgot his viagra.

I am struggling to relate, but I guess we all have different experiences to draw on



2464. Post 12093570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: eerygarden on August 09, 2015, 10:55:58 AM
totally awesome of bitfinex to refuse to file a $5000 NY bitlicense thus cutting off all people in the finance capital of fucking america and instigating +/-$300,000,000 in btc market devaluation


Gemini is coming.

Waiting for Gemini is like being a prostitute that needs to service a 95 year old man who forgot his viagra.

I am struggling to relate, but I guess we all have different experiences to draw on

There is always plenty of work going spare if you would like to get yourself some hands on experience.
I'll keep that in mind if we hit double digits.



2465. Post 12095368 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Erdogan on August 09, 2015, 02:23:26 PM

As long as I believe we can still make a new all-time high I don't think I will use any for commerce.  So maybe once we get back over 1,000 I'd sell a few, use a few for commerce, and hold a few. Something like that. But if I feel uncomfortable with the tech progression my plans can change quickly. So far I have held the course.


I spend and replenish when the opportunity arises. I'm not totally convinced that retail is really its eventual fate, but if everyone just sat on their coins waiting for them to go up then it'll wither before long.


I agree and feel a little guilty for not using my coins for commerce. But then again, I'm not convinced in the system yet and it is my money so I will do what I see best. I've only been accumulating a little here and there not because I don't have enough fiat to exchange, but because I am allowing myself to grow more comfortable before making significant bets.

If and when I make my first purchase of goods/services through Bitcoin I'll be sure to post to the forum my experience.

If you have made purchases on a few different internet sites, try some purchases using bitcoin (and replenish your stash). You will feel the difference, and your belief in bitcoins future will be boosted.



Especially when your confirmation is delayed and you realize that you can't just send an e-mail to paypal.



2466. Post 12096785 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Erdogan on August 09, 2015, 04:30:16 PM

As long as I believe we can still make a new all-time high I don't think I will use any for commerce.  So maybe once we get back over 1,000 I'd sell a few, use a few for commerce, and hold a few. Something like that. But if I feel uncomfortable with the tech progression my plans can change quickly. So far I have held the course.


I spend and replenish when the opportunity arises. I'm not totally convinced that retail is really its eventual fate, but if everyone just sat on their coins waiting for them to go up then it'll wither before long.


I agree and feel a little guilty for not using my coins for commerce. But then again, I'm not convinced in the system yet and it is my money so I will do what I see best. I've only been accumulating a little here and there not because I don't have enough fiat to exchange, but because I am allowing myself to grow more comfortable before making significant bets.

If and when I make my first purchase of goods/services through Bitcoin I'll be sure to post to the forum my experience.

If you have made purchases on a few different internet sites, try some purchases using bitcoin (and replenish your stash). You will feel the difference, and your belief in bitcoins future will be boosted.



Especially when your confirmation is delayed and you realize that you can't just send an e-mail to paypal.

You are a well pisser in real life, aren't you?


Or just someone who's paid for goods with more BTC than most in this forum. You're very aware of that : in case of shit = shit. So when the company you're purchasing goods from "lost you in the system" after you've sent them coins, that "difference" you "feel" is a stream of warmth running down your pants. That been said, everything worked out in the end with all my BTC purchases. In fact, the one bitcoin related purchase I really got screwed on was with BFL through paypal.



2467. Post 12098719 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

There are so many new faces/nicks here these last weeks. Bullish. Volume is much better than the 2014 summer bull trap as well.



2468. Post 12101735 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: samson on August 10, 2015, 08:40:15 AM
So the $300 dream is good as dead now? But the $500 dream still intact in my brain. I don't know why. Maybe because of the incoming halving?

$300 dream ded, confirmed. And your brain is the only brain aware that such halving is inbound.

Maybe after 200k worth of goxcoins get distributed, 70k US and AU govcoins to be sold, a maxblocksize argument that seems to have donned cement shoes is resolved... maybe.
Wow, really? Yet Bitcoin is still up ten million percent in just six years. The world just needs to try to wrap its head around that fact. Those kind of numbers just don't fit into any kind of analytics. Most of the world has many broken paradigms to replace as well. Just relax and be glad you are here with us witnessing such an historic event.

So you're saying Bitcoin is up 10 million percent over a few years.....and the only way is up...  Roll Eyes

Oh yeah!




2469. Post 12117590 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

270+ !!! WOOHOOO !!!!!




2470. Post 12121474 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):



Not really news, but I noticed The Economist has its own topics section for bitcoins:

http://www.economist.com/topics/bitcoins



2471. Post 12130437 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

On an unrelated note. Could eth trading be causing the weird BTC movements we're seeing?



2472. Post 12135244 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 13, 2015, 04:17:39 AM
i'm 28 working 9 - 5 programming a program that allows other poeple to program by connecting blocks together, wtf did you think i would look like?



2473. Post 12147467 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: podyx on August 15, 2015, 07:45:54 AM
yawn, why so much boringness and lack of moves, after all the fun of greek crisis and the fail to break 300 again

You must learn to embrace the sideways.



Time is short, enjoy it while you can.

Time is eternal Cool

It depends on your position on proton decay.



2474. Post 12156839 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Sooo... a 6tb hdd from HGST (The most reliable brand) costs $169 at newegg.

Quote from: ronald98 on August 16, 2015, 03:03:12 PM

It's not only the physical sizeof the hard drive needed to store the blockchain that's causing problems. The length of time it takes to index the blockchain is getting longer as the size of the blockchain increases. That creates problems for anyone running a full wallet that needs to use it in a hurry if it takes hours, days, or weeks to index.

If you insist on running a full node then you'll have to run a full node. I don't see the problem. If it's a security issue then there are alternatives such as Trezor or other HW wallets. Or just load the private key into a client wallet on a clean device and send the remaining coins to a new cold wallet. If running a full node has to be as effortless as syncing your icloud account then Bitcoin is dead in the water.



2475. Post 12158812 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Richy_T on August 16, 2015, 07:15:53 PM
what's the blue thing below explanation in the chartguy's posts?

It's a protest at the censorship going on over on Reddit.

... if you want a site with no editorial responsibility you will have to wait for some autonomous ethereum- or sidechain-driven site. There's a limit to how long a company can condone their business being the platform for pedos and racists to promote their activities.



2476. Post 12158982 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 16, 2015, 08:46:41 PM

... if you want a site with no editorial responsibility you will have to wait for some autonomous ethereum- or sidechain-driven site. There's a limit to how long a company can condone their business being the platform for pedos and racists to promote their activities.


Regardless of whether anyone likes it or not, XT is one of Bitcoin's potential futures.

That's a much more important and valid thing to be discussing than the latest announcement about a vaping shop accepting BTC.

Qe?



2477. Post 12159763 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 16, 2015, 10:51:16 PM

Bitcoin or bitcoin 'futures'? Do you mean the coin or the technology?


The coin.

If enough people get on board then Bitcoin will become XT even if that causes much strife.

I dunno what the right course is but suppressing its discussion leaves a very odious taste.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect


Are you saying that there are pictures of Jeff and Gavin in their underpants?



2478. Post 12162976 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 17, 2015, 08:20:43 AM


I love short sellers. Every short has to either cover and provide support or to get squeezed and spike into my sell orders.  We're seeing higher highs and higher lows on the daily chart, even if the moving averages look a little scary.  This fork controversy will get resolved eventually one way or another. Block size will be increased even with chain bloat because more and more of those "dust" transactions will be time stamps or colored coins representing title to something.  Processors are getting faster. Bandwidth is getting wider. Hard drives are getting bigger. It won't be an issue.

Meanwhile the fiat printers are printing, on-ramps for institutional investors are being built and the halving just gets closer.

You're gonna hold out that long?

These are day traders... make a few bucks and short attention spans. I'd be doing that too but I see too much potential. I'd rather hold calm for a 200$ trade instead of bust a sweat for a 20$ trade. And miss out on the way up. But there is quite a bit of opportunity... for some reason people are still seeming indecisive...

Either that or the Bitcoins are just being spent in retail.

It's the 3600 coin/day inflation that's putting the downward pressure on price. What's amazing is that there has been an average ~$1 million/day being pumped in to hold the price ever since the $166 bottom last winter.  Miners are selling all or almost all they mine. You gotta love the Chinese. On a macro level, they sell stuff at cost and then lend us the money to buy it. No way that can end well. I'm not just talking about bitcoin. All their exports. If you think about it, Chinese miners are using subsidized electricity so it's actually the Red Chinese government that are providing us all these cheap coins.  It's the only thing China actually sells that prolly won't be worthless in five years.

Do we have any proof of that? I'm really quite tired of seeing this assumption thrown around as fact...

Miners are a diverse group. Some sell straight away, some hodl. Some dump on exchanges, some have other arrangements with investors who wants to buy without slippage. In any event, the fact that the market can't digest <3600 coins a day without sliding down is not encouraging.



2479. Post 12168189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: rebuilder on August 17, 2015, 09:50:49 PM

The possible complication is if the community gets stuck in a half-way state, with almost equal mining power on each side.  Then there may be two blockchains, lots of orphaned blocks and branches, etc..  

You don't want to know about that possibility; just pray that it does not happen, and, if it does, just stop issuing transaction until the impasse gets resolved as above.  Even after the critical block, all the unspent coins that were created before that block will remain there, no matter what happens.  


It was my understanding the XT fork will only take place if 75% of hashpower supports it. I suppose miners could change their minds after the fact, but otherwise a "half-way state" will not result in a fork.

Nodes, not miners. (?)



2480. Post 12170066 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on August 18, 2015, 02:29:56 AM
Hash power could 'fake support it' i.e. pretend to be XT nodes but not actually fork. This could be a method to ensure a stillborn fork without enough hashpower.

Why did the image pass through my mind of a miner vigorously banging his head with a spoon?

You've been reading too much Gary Larson




2481. Post 12170368 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: S3052 on August 18, 2015, 05:24:40 AM
It's interesting to see how much this thread recently changed from price movement discussions to block chain and other discussions.
Coming back to price discussions and bitcoin forecast, we see that the technical analysis methodology works fine to predict bitcoin prices. And with that, speculators and investors can save time. No need to worry about blockchains, hashes, etc. More info here: http://bullbearanalytics.com/bullbear-analytics/


Thank you for saving us from the darkness that is OT. It certainly is the milk of the dark one.

So all I have to do is pay you $300 and I'll get to buy a boat? How can I lose!?!?



2482. Post 12170583 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on August 18, 2015, 06:43:05 AM
It's interesting to see how much this thread recently changed from price movement discussions to block chain and other discussions.
Coming back to price discussions and bitcoin forecast, we see that the technical analysis methodology works fine to predict bitcoin prices. And with that, speculators and investors can save time. No need to worry about blockchains, hashes, etc. More info here: http://bullbearanalytics.com/bullbear-analytics/


Thank you for saving us from the darkness that is OT. It certainly is the milk of the dark one.

So all I have to do is pay you $300 and I'll get to buy a boat? How can I lose!?!?


You ungrateful git. Every boat you buy is one that he is deliberately foregoing so he can share the good.  Grin

And all can be done by ignoring fundamentals. Seems legit....

I know. I'm so excited. But there's something wrong with his site or something.




2483. Post 12170961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: davidorentol on August 18, 2015, 08:01:38 AM
There will be no fork,relax.Chinese pools,around 50% ot network,already said "NO" to XT---->no fork

Until miners jump ship to a XT-pool



2484. Post 12171401 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: btccashacc on August 18, 2015, 09:08:59 AM
There will be no fork,relax.Chinese pools,around 50% ot network,already said "NO" to XT---->no fork

Until miners jump ship to a XT-pool

look at reality we can see bitcoin price down every day ( after XT discussion)

If people were really worried we would see a much more dramatic drop. A slightly depressed sideways is not the end of the world. The block-size discussion isn't new, it's just had some drama added. But it's here and we have to deal with it. The fact that there are people working hard to make sure Bitcoin works in the future shouldn't be a cause for collapse. It might scare some casual day traders away, but Bitcoin should be able to survive that.



2485. Post 12171560 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 18, 2015, 09:32:05 AM
There will be no fork,relax.Chinese pools,around 50% ot network,already said "NO" to XT---->no fork

Until miners jump ship to a XT-pool

look at reality we can see bitcoin price down every day ( after XT discussion)

If people were really worried we would see a much more dramatic drop. A slightly depressed sideways is not the end of the world. The block-size discussion isn't new, it's just had some drama added. But it's here and we have to deal with it. The fact that there are people working hard to make sure Bitcoin works in the future shouldn't be a cause for collapse. It might scare some casual day traders away, but Bitcoin should be able to survive that.

lol how candid. people working day and night to destroy bitcoin would be more accurate.

yes im looking at you gavin. how's the MIT funding going?



2486. Post 12171663 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Elwar on August 18, 2015, 09:31:04 AM
You know the amount of people who are hearing about Bitcoin for the first time and want to start buying bitcoins care about the block size upgrade debate?

Zero.

Remember all of the debates about BIP 75 implementation? Oh you weren't part of that debate yet you find the need to be involved in a debate about this upgrade? Why is this upgrade something you care about and not the multi-sig upgrade? FUD? Listening to the alt coiners trying to make it look like there's some "great divide" in Bitcoin?

The developers argue about code changes all the time. Let it go already.

I'm not sure who you're addressing, but I'm quite sure the community isn't expecting the WO-thread to save the day.



2487. Post 12172356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Elwar on August 18, 2015, 11:11:13 AM
You know the amount of people who are hearing about Bitcoin for the first time and want to start buying bitcoins care about the block size upgrade debate?

Zero.

Remember all of the debates about BIP 75 implementation? Oh you weren't part of that debate yet you find the need to be involved in a debate about this upgrade? Why is this upgrade something you care about and not the multi-sig upgrade? FUD? Listening to the alt coiners trying to make it look like there's some "great divide" in Bitcoin?

The developers argue about code changes all the time. Let it go already.

I'm not sure who you're addressing, but I'm quite sure the community isn't expecting the WO-thread to save the day.

Will I be able to spend my bitcoin daily before and after the devs and miners work this out?

Yes.

QED

Ok, my brain is about to break real soon. Why are you trying to shut the conversation down? Do I have to have a strong opinion about multi-sig to say something about this?



2488. Post 12172618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Elwar on August 18, 2015, 11:44:07 AM
You know the amount of people who are hearing about Bitcoin for the first time and want to start buying bitcoins care about the block size upgrade debate?

Zero.

Remember all of the debates about BIP 75 implementation? Oh you weren't part of that debate yet you find the need to be involved in a debate about this upgrade? Why is this upgrade something you care about and not the multi-sig upgrade? FUD? Listening to the alt coiners trying to make it look like there's some "great divide" in Bitcoin?

The developers argue about code changes all the time. Let it go already.

I'm not sure who you're addressing, but I'm quite sure the community isn't expecting the WO-thread to save the day.

Will I be able to spend my bitcoin daily before and after the devs and miners work this out?

Yes.

QED

Ok, my brain is about to break real soon. Why are you trying to shut the conversation down? Do I have to have a strong opinion about multi-sig to say something about this?

The block size discussion has been going on for over half a year. Alt coiners keep poking Bitcoin users with the whole thing acting like the upgrade will somehow hurt Bitcoin. Now they're just pointing to discussion of it as a reason why Bitcoin is doomed.

Don't feed the trolls/alt coiners.

I see what you're saying. But the launch of the xt upgrade is worth discussing. There will always be shills and idiots out there, but that doesn't mean we have to censore ourselves if there is an issue that engages people.



2489. Post 12172868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Torque on August 18, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
There has been nothing but constant selling since 317. 

But... but...we were told the Greeks would be gobbling up these coins?!?!??   Roll Eyes

Yeah, if Elwar is worried about FUD: are we going to see a rerun of aug\sep 2014?



2490. Post 12173066 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on August 18, 2015, 01:02:56 PM
Coin
Explanation



"Do you see what I see?"




2491. Post 12173403 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: BTCoptimist on August 18, 2015, 01:48:50 PM
I think if we wanīt BTC to survive ,the true believers have to hold until 10-50$, otherwise if we would also sell now we would probably crash the thin orderbooks to 0$ which would be very bad for the public image of Bitcoin.
So HODL  Grin

I sure will, lambie!



2492. Post 12173489 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: dreamspark on August 18, 2015, 01:56:49 PM
The media shit storm has begun. All in 20x short people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33974826

God damn it! People are stupid!


Dr Lehdonvirta added increasing block size could potentially make Bitcoin less accessible.

"Downloading the whole blockchain is already such an effort that most people choose not to run Bitcoin on their computers," he said.

"This would put Bitcoin on a trajectory where that problem is exaggerated."



2493. Post 12173660 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on August 18, 2015, 02:18:22 PM
is it the end ?

It's Bitcoin. We'll probably move up because of this.



2494. Post 12174292 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 18, 2015, 03:13:06 PM
Sure, this article is from the financial times.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s78/sh/882fdac9-556c-482d-a0c9-c2c2456c185c/55d0920c48d621d3

"While Mr Andresen tries to prepare bitcoin for mass usage, he advises caution to investors. He holds thousands of bitcoins, enough to retire comfortably. But he has been cashing them in slowly, investing in stock market funds instead."

Somebody who is supposed to believe the future of his project should not be making such a nightmare of PR every time he speaks to the media.
This proves that Gavin has vested interest in decreasing the value of bitcoin and he abused his position as a Core dev to promote XT altcoin!

No, what it proves is that if even core developers are doubtful about the future that we are at disillusionment and very near peak despair, the bottom of the cycle. 

Well done! Nice positive spin.




2495. Post 12176892 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Ouch! Such pain in my bitcoin wallet!



2496. Post 12176930 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Dump on finex hit 13k.

Quote from: TerraMaster on August 18, 2015, 08:09:34 PM
Slip slid'n away.... heading back to 228-230 again?  Cry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dx5QQfWRuU

Edit: 15k, lets hope there are some longs getting closed in there.



2497. Post 12176941 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Finex wall is gone.

5k to $220

This smells awfully like a bear trap.



2498. Post 12176972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: TerraMaster on August 18, 2015, 08:17:19 PM
Dump on finex hit 13k.

Slip slid'n away.... heading back to 228-230 again?  Cry



Edit: 15k, lets hope there are some longs getting closed in there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dx5QQfWRuU

lol listening to it now! makes me a feel a little better....  Smiley

Central Park '81, epic!



2499. Post 12177524 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: derpinheimer on August 18, 2015, 09:11:10 PM
Wow $2m in longs closed and nearly 10k in shorts opened...

From 13K to 22k, I think we might see less sideways from now on.



2500. Post 12177641 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: gizmoh on August 18, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
Wow $2m in longs closed and nearly 10k in shorts opened...

From 13K to 22k, I think we might see less sideways from now on.

Only 14,470 shorts opened.

?

https://bfxdata.com/combined/btc



2501. Post 12177670 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on August 18, 2015, 09:42:28 PM
I predict the mother of all crashes coming if they do more "stress testing" now that the fork issue is also coming to a headline near you.



When are they going to start stress testing again? I heard it would vaguely be sometime in September but is there anything more specific than that yet like a date? I don't want to have my payments stuck in limbo for days like during the last test, but I also don't want to start paying higher fees until absolutely the last minute.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981

If they do that then I think it will be a scenario that Bitcoin will have difficulty of recovering from. It might be the beginning of the end, and something else will take over.

Better we find all the bugs/attack vectors while Bitcoin's still in beta.  People keep forgetting that this is a prototype, an experiment, not a money printing machine.

who invited this guy?   Huh

Lambie



2502. Post 12177709 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: gizmoh on August 18, 2015, 09:47:08 PM
Wow $2m in longs closed and nearly 10k in shorts opened...

From 13K to 22k, I think we might see less sideways from now on.

Only 14,470 shorts opened.

?

https://bfxdata.com/combined/btc

From  https://bfxdata.com/swaphistory/totals
0.0149   15,046.58   21:33:09 18-08-2015

Also there was a momentary glitch on swaps. The correct amount is listed on Bitfinex stats page.

Ok, I see it now. Sry.



2503. Post 12178686 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

I have to admit, this bothers me.



2504. Post 12178747 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

At least volume is up



2505. Post 12179059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

That's it. I'm going to bed.

Make sure we're around $340 when I wake up.



Quote from: Stevenirving on August 19, 2015, 12:39:03 AM
Last time I looked at my ticker it was 250. I watched a couple movies. Look again and see 220$.
I use my computer connected to my TV via an HDMI cable to stream movies.

Freaking out and not thinking as I needed my computer to find out everything I tugged at my computer.
Still attached to the TV....

Pulling the TV over on its face and smashing it.
Like a fucking moron

That sucks man! Blame Bitcoin. It crashed so hard it smashed the TV.



2506. Post 12183207 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: dreamspark on August 19, 2015, 11:41:26 AM
In the end the client will be decided by the exchanges not the miners.

What miner is going to mine a coin that then can't be sold on an exchange?

The same pretty much goes the other way around. I think it's fair to say that the different parts of the ecosystem depend on each other.

Quote from: mmitech on August 19, 2015, 11:46:51 AM
many don't understand that the new code in XT will be active only if 75% of the network actually runs it 
And many don't understand that the 75% is not of the network but of the mining pools. And this can be easily manipulated!

Anyway, XT altcoin fork is dead now. Block size debate was just a cover up now revealing hidden agenda to introduce among bitcoin users the XT client that is simply an IP logger and blacklist aggregator!

Well, I said this few years ago, Bitcoin is not BitTorrent, bitcoin is a financial instrument and will be heavily regulated, you can try to fight it now, but whether you like it or not, these things will eventually happen... or Bitcoin transactions will be deemed illegal and businesses will be forbidden from using it, and there the mass adoption dream vanishes in front of your eyes.

Let's wait and see if any of this is true. It reeks of sensationalistic fud. Or just some conspiracy theorists going off the rails again. Which is odd, since bitcoiners are such level-headed people.



2507. Post 12183317 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: schizoid on August 19, 2015, 12:06:58 PM
you got that wrong my friend, if the miners switch to the new client, exchanges wont have any other choice but to follow, because the old chain will be dead..
Not really, because new miners can jump in and resurrect the old chain. There was a recent case of an altcoin, I don't remember which one, which tried to hard fork but couldn't because the one exchange it traded on stubbornly refused to go along.

Yeah, well. That's shitcoin-mechanics. That might not work with BTC.



2508. Post 12183381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on August 19, 2015, 11:57:41 AM
1BTC = 2BTC soon
After this crash XT fork is basically dead. I doubt Core devs will even discuss whatever block size increase now.

You should listen to Phill Potter on the whaleclub soundcloud. Crash was due to usual bitcoin leveraged hopium.

Please, do keep up.



Sort of looks cyclical. We had a similar crash at pretty much the exact same time last year.



2509. Post 12183500 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: leetcoiner on August 19, 2015, 12:24:32 PM
800000 BTC instamine is worth 1 Satoshi

SATOSHI WILL DUMP 800.000 before people will notice that blockchain is hacked

WTF! This isn't a newb account, wth did you come from? Are you lambies daft cousine or something?



2510. Post 12183611 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on August 19, 2015, 12:31:08 PM
Strong buy now imo. Anyone agree?

What happened was due to swaps. Did you watch the other exchanges? They followed to a certain point, but there was no selling pressure below $220 even when the sky was falling. These are cheap coins.



2511. Post 12183667 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):

Quote from: schizoid on August 19, 2015, 12:41:36 PM
you got that wrong my friend, if the miners switch to the new client, exchanges wont have any other choice but to follow, because the old chain will be dead..
Not really, because new miners can jump in and resurrect the old chain. There was a recent case of an altcoin, I don't remember which one, which tried to hard fork but couldn't because the one exchange it traded on stubbornly refused to go along.

That might be an issue for a small network, where one player may have the power to do so, but as Phil Potter from Bitfinex said, "we will see what our competitors are doing, if there is a consensus, we will follow it'

tl;dr  This is not about taking sides, its about following the money.
It doesn't matter if it's one player or a consensus of players; the result is the same. If there is consensus among exchanges to stay on Core, then Core will win, no matter what miners do.

XT'ers shouldn't be lobbying miners directly. They should first lobby the node operators, then the exchanges and payment processors. If they win those two battles the miners will follow.

Why would there be such a consensus? Is there someone out there offering free lobotomys for exchange CEOs? They can't afford to destroy the market they are working in. Nor is the guts and bones of XT sufficiently controversial for all of them to take such a drastic principled stance. The first exchange that declares that they will not support the majority chain will be dead in weeks.



2512. Post 12185022 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.23h):



I think we might be approaching Full Retard.







Bullish!



2513. Post 12187533 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Dump3er on August 19, 2015, 07:37:33 PM
So...I heard...bottom, again? Cheesy

You guys mean THE BOTTOM....or as always one of those bottoms till there's coming the next bottom?  Cheesy

?

$220 has been the bottom since January. If all the exchanges creep below $210 then.... The Dump3er will become a beautiful butterfly.




2514. Post 12187672 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: dreamspark on August 19, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
All the technicals point to more down.

No they don't. Oscillators and RSI are way oversold on large timeframes. Maybe we'll get a retest of lows, but it'll probably be a higher low.

When you get climactic action to the downside like this and the bars close way above the lows, that means the market found high quality buying at that level and is an indication of strength. Market weakness is found on green bars near the tops of rallies, where the volume either trails off or you get high volume on narrow bars (evidence of high volume selling entering). That's when you short--not here after climactic action to the downside which removes all the selling.




"Maybe we'll get a retest of lows, but it'll probably be a higher low."

So down then.

Depends what time frames your looking at completely. Weekly MACD is about to turn down.

We shall see, still $25 million in longs on BFX, LOL and that's after being told for the last 3 months that $30 million in longs was okay.

Standard triangle consolidation is occurring at the moment and I would seriously not be surprised to see it break out again to the downside. Where did all the bids go on Bitfinex? This could get so so ugly, where is everyone long on Finex going to close into?!

We shall see, its all speculation but there could still easily be a complete wipe out of those longs before we go anywhere.


I completely agree with user bassclef.


Of course you do, you're long. You also thought $255 was going to hold

But 4 million of those were opened during and after the crash. And the other 21 million obviously didn't fold even at $162.



2515. Post 12187835 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: ttbh on August 19, 2015, 08:16:58 PM

...And the other 21 million obviously didn't fold even at $162.


Not all longs with liquidation price under $200 were liquidated. The liquidations were paused to allow the market to recover. How many are left and whether it's worth the risk of selling the market down to those prices again is any one's guess however.

Do we know at what point the liquidations were paused?



2516. Post 12187920 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Is Theymos running this site from his laptop? Can someone send him a NUC so he doesn't have to turn off apache every time he wants to sell some coins?



2517. Post 12188020 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: AizenSou on August 19, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
We are going down from 280$ to 220$ in less than 10 days because two shills want to prove their might by forking bitcoin?

Okay, so now we know how little you understand the market. Thanks for sharing, partner!   Grin

Quote from: AizenSou
The answer from community is clear now, Gavin & Mike ?

Yup. 14% of nodes now and rising.  Cool

LOL Gavin&Mike fanboys. I don't want to discuss about blockchain size anymore, I just look at the price, ok?
Prove me wrong otherwise GTFO.

Btw, your 14% is mostly new nodes. Existing nodes doesn't change.

No, we're going down because investors are starting to pay attention and realize that a coin capped at 2-3 tps does not deserve a $3 billion market cap.
Scaling to 56 transaction per second by forcing doesn't magically increase the market cap either.

Nodes up by 16% in a couple of days? Looks like Gavin and Hearn fixed the node decline as well then.



2518. Post 12192725 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 20, 2015, 03:19:41 AM
Oh yeah. Economies of scale. Surely he hasn't heard that one before. Good on you to point this out.

I'd say you clearly don't understand english maybe? Did you somehow miss this paragraph ?

Quote
Adam Back: The worry with extremely large blocks is that they can be used to exacerbate a selfish mining attack. If you’ve got a large miner or a couple of large miners, they can create very large blocks and other people won’t be able to receive them or process them in time. So, they will gain an advantage in mining.

Bitcoin chose its parameters to make the advantage minimal so that it’s a level playing field between small miners and large miners. Right now, the interval between Bitcoin blocks is ten minutes. And the approximate time it takes to propagate, or send a block after it’s found, across the peer-to-peer network is about 10 or 15 seconds. You want the ratio between the propagation time and the block interval to be high enough, because, as a miner, while you’re waiting to receive a block, or while you’re processing a block to check it’s valid, you’re unable to mine. So, you lose money.

By having larger blocks, it’s going to take a longer time to process them. So, it’s going to favor miners with higher bandwidth or who are more centrally connected via high speed links to other miners. It gives them an advantage.

If you increase the block size rapidly, the level playing field is eroded. If it gets eroded too much, once miners are able to create blocks that only they and a couple of other big miners can mine, they can exclude everybody else because [other miners] can’t keep up.

The block size is there to put a check on these economies of scale and level the playing field.


This argument is antiquated. With pool mining the individual miner doesn't have to deal with the blocks at all. All that matters is that the pool has sufficient bandwith. I ran 84 machines through 3G with my phone as a wifi hotspot in a remote area just to check with a different cellular network. Worked like a charm.




2519. Post 12194180 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: natewelt on August 20, 2015, 02:44:29 PM
What's up with these bs rally and fades right back down to the beginning of the rally point? Pretty annoying. Plus XT talk has killed this thread as well.

Bad times we are living in

Nope, this is WO-thread the way it's supposed to be.




2520. Post 12194783 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 20, 2015, 04:04:27 PM
Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out Wink

And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure...  Roll Eyes

... there is no reason why the core devs can't update the fork when the dust settles.



2521. Post 12194893 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 20, 2015, 04:23:35 PM
Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out Wink

And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure...  Roll Eyes

... there is no reason why the core devs can't update the fork when the dust settles.

"Update the fork" ?

How is that suppose to work again?

You just negotiate a deal with the NSA where you provide chinese miners as slaves in return for access to the mothership.

Or find common ground with the XT team and agree on an update. Or just do what Gavin and Hearn is doing.

Nahh.. NSA/Mothership.



2522. Post 12197087 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 20, 2015, 08:40:12 PM
If there is consensus right now amongst relevant actors, it's that XT is not that solution.
Depending upon the definition of relevant actors.
I seriously doubt that "we", "the community" will be regarded as most relevant.
There is no "we, the people" in business.

In general there is no "we, the people". It's just socialist propaganda.

Ok, now I understand. You're a nutter. Damn you internet!



2523. Post 12197362 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Did Blackspidey by any chance sell a ton of farmed accounts to lambie?



2524. Post 12197771 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on August 20, 2015, 10:23:58 PM
Professor Stolfi must be capable of doing the job if nobody else is prepared to do it, or capable of doing it.

 Cheesy Grin Great joke!

That would be funny indeed.  I do have a Github account...

Please someone do it, and remove the temptation.   Cheesy

Beyond the obvious decision making problems it will face I fear Stolfi-coin might have some transaction confirmation issues.

http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/NoEMail.html



It's definitely not a tx-spam fix.



2525. Post 12202045 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 21, 2015, 12:31:01 PM

I'd sell it now. In the long run people will be saying "Taylor who?"


You have a point, but I think it's worth keeping in pride of place in a glass cabinet for a few years yet.

What is it with you and poo? You're one of those guys who's actually fapping to "Two Girls, One Cup".



2526. Post 12202144 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 21, 2015, 12:41:49 PM

You're probably right. I suck at market timing.


I think it's 'peak turd' for at least another 5-10 years. Then she'll start to dabble in scientology, go fat and mad and move to a shack in the wilderness. Her 2039 comeback will be a sensation as she performs remotely from a forest clearing and she'll tragically be eaten by a bear in front of billions of viewers. Then you really make bank.

 

What is it with you and poo? You're one of those guys who's actually fapping to "Two Girls, One Cup".


Maybe. PM me if you have any 'special' offers.

I think fapping to my gravy is more than you can handle.



2527. Post 12202165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Hon. Catcatcat on August 21, 2015, 12:45:01 PM

I'd sell it now. In the long run people will be saying "Taylor who?"


You have a point, but I think it's worth keeping in pride of place in a glass cabinet for a few years yet.

What is it with you and poo? You're one of those guys who's actually fapping to "Two Girls, One Cup".

As if you didn't.  Come now, Bitcoiner, no shame in being an anal retentive.   Delayed gratification, accumulate, accumulate ... and LET IT OUT!  Ahhh...

Give up  lambie. That movie is all you'll never be. You'll always be nr.2.



2528. Post 12202475 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: BitChick on August 21, 2015, 01:16:05 PM
Saw an article this morning.  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-blackmail-of-ashley-madison-users-has-already-begun/ar-BBlXLTH?li=AA54ur I guess a extortionist group called "Team GrayFlay" is already threatening to blackmail Ashley Madison users in the hack and they want payment only in Bitcoin.  From the article
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Unfortunately your data was leaked in the recent hacking of Ashley Madison and I now have your information. If you would like to prevent me from finding and sharing this information with your significant other send exactly 2.00000054 bitcoins (approx. value $450 USD) to the following address…
Quote
If Team GrayFlay (or any other blackmailer, for that matter) emailed all 32 million account holders, and just 0.01% of them agreed to pay up the $450 (Ģ288) ransom, it would still earn them $1.4 million dollars (Ģ0.9 million).

So I guess this is bullish news?  Not sure how I feel about making a profit on the heels of extortion though.   Undecided

Lambie is right. We are the slime at the bottom of the barrel.



2529. Post 12204227 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: solidcloud on August 21, 2015, 03:13:55 PM


If the choice is between (living out my days in blissful ignorance) & (learning ugly truth & turning into a bitter wretch), I'll pick ignorance. There is no intrinsic value in truth, especially when it's not life-affirming.

That's your choice. I don't see what's so life-affirming about being a sucker with an unsatisfied spouse.

Quote
My point stands tho: telling a guy that his wife sucks D at a truck stop doesn't make you a hero.  You may disagree.


It might if it leads the guy either become a better husband or free of a deceitful woman.

After [presumably] learning that your ex was a cheating piece of shit, you became a better husband?
A better husband to whom, may I ask, to your cheating ex?  
Did she ...deserve a better husband?

Quote
Can we at least agree that it doesn't make you a criminal?

Sure.  Farting at the opera doesn't make you a criminal either.  Just unpleasant.
Can we agree that not everyone who is !criminal = hero?

Sure there is intrinsic value in truth. Society relies on the social capital truth and trust gives us. Building relations without truth would be impossible. Sound government would be impossible without truth. Engineering and science would be impossible without truth. Truth is what is in relation to others and even oneself.

In this case there are several moral actors.

The User of the dirty site -

I am not too familiar with this site but I assume this is a site that arranges encounters between two consenting non-professional adults. In which case both would be the user. Whether the user is doing something immoral depends on their relationship with their significant other. If the user is in an open relationship then the "secret encounter" provided by the site is within their understanding of a trusting and respectful relationship. There is no casualty. If the users relationship with its significant other is of an entirely exclusive nature then this is naturally a violation of the trust and respect that is expected in such a relationship. But the gravity of this violation is not for anyone else to decide. For some it will be devastating, for others it will be brushed away.

The Significant Other
If open relationship, shrug. If not, then this person must act in such a way that its person is not devalued to such an extent that it is disrespectful to itself. For instance, if the cheater shows no remorse and acts as if this is something the significant other just will have to deal with. It would be difficult to stay in such a relationship without causing harm to oneself.

The Extortionist

This person has illegally acquired sensitive information which is of no obvious significance to the Public Sphere but could be devastating in individual cases. This person is actively threatening to cause harm unless it is paid a ransom. This person is a criminal, whatever way you look at it. Any pretense of a moral high ground simply adds insult to injury.

The Site

This kind of business is riddled with moral grey zones. The best defense it has is that the users are grown ups and must be held responsible to their own choices. Which is right. But...

Bitcoin Speculators

The fact that other peoples misery can have positive effects for someone else is not new. It's not exceptional either. But we have examples where it is very clear that it's strongly morally problematic: war profiteering, blood diamonds, cheap goods from child labour.
Is this one of those cases? I doubt there are many of us who got into Bitcoin because we thought we would ride on a wave of sizzling blackmail. Nor is that the intended goal of Bitcoin. Can we let ourselves completely off the hook? We know Bitcoin is being used by criminals, as is any other currency. But by supporting, or at least not standing in the way of, considered and appropriate measures to prevent such activity, we can soothe our conscience a bit.

Hypotethical Moralist

If a Moralist, in support of some dogma, were to release the information without demanding a ransom, he might think he is doing good. Admittedly, the users will get what's coming to them and the significant others will get to know the truth. But the moralist acts as a judge and executioner in a series of cases he knows nothing about. And there certainly isn't any reason why the general public should have access to this information. What if it turns out that most of these encounters happens with the blessing of the significant other? And even this is just a minority, what right does he have to stick his nose into their business?

"The absolute worst kind of person is a moralist" - Anonymous

(I know I'm too late with this, but I wrote this shit so I'm posting it)



2530. Post 12204456 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: solidcloud on August 21, 2015, 04:44:25 PM


...
Sure there is intrinsic value in truth. Society relies on the social capital truth and trust gives us. Building relations without truth would be impossible. Government would be impossible without truth. Engineering and science would be impossible without truth. Truth is what is in relation to others and even oneself.

You're thinking instrumental, not intrinsic, value.  Intrinsic means in and of itself.  Opening a can is difficult without a can opener.  This doesn't imply that a can opener has intrinsic value--merely instrumental (to opening cans).


Yes, just listing examples like that does not show you that truth is intrinsic. But I am still of the opinion that truth has intrinsic value. If I ever write a doctorate on Kants Third Critique (yes third, not second) I might post the part concerning truth here and you can give it a blasé nod. But in case that doesn't happen you'll just have to take my word for it. Pleeeeease?



2531. Post 12204498 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 21, 2015, 05:00:15 PM

The Extortionist

This person as illegally acquired sensitive information which is of no obvious significance for the Public Sphere but could be devastating in individual cases. This person is actively threatening to cause harm unless it is paid a ransom. This person is a criminal, whatever way you look at it. Any pretense of a moral high ground simply adds insult to injury.



Bullshit. The blackmailers in this case are not the same as the hackers who leaked.  They did not illegally obtain the information and they are leaving it to the users  of the site to decide if more harm than good is caused by exposing their activities to their spouses or if it is worth paying the ransom. People in open relationships would never pay the ransom anyway so you are bringing up something completely irrelevant.

Punishing bad behavior is only good if the State does it? Only when the state punishes bad behavior does it result in less bad behavior? What makes government sanction so magically delicious?

There would be no blackmail if people did not do things they would be ashamed to admit. If punishing bad behavior leads to less bad behavior then it is a net benefit to society regardless of who does the punishing. Cops get paid to investigate and bring ugly truths to light, so what is it about a badge that makes the same action bad for a private citizen?



You're opposed to government and in support of a police state at the same time. Consistency is a bitch. As is consequentialism.



2532. Post 12204510 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Torque on August 21, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
...
Sure there is intrinsic value in truth. Society relies on the social capital truth and trust gives us. Building relations without truth would be impossible. Government would be impossible without truth. Engineering and science would be impossible without truth. Truth is what is in relation to others and even oneself.

You're joking right? That joke was so big I spit coffee right out of my nose.  North Korea, Greece, (the list goes on) anyone?

You're right. It's meant to read Sound Government. I will change it.



2533. Post 12204528 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: solidcloud on August 21, 2015, 05:05:33 PM


...
Sure there is intrinsic value in truth. Society relies on the social capital truth and trust gives us. Building relations without truth would be impossible. Government would be impossible without truth. Engineering and science would be impossible without truth. Truth is what is in relation to others and even oneself.

You're thinking instrumental, not intrinsic, value.  Intrinsic means in and of itself.  Opening a can is difficult without a can opener.  This doesn't imply that a can opener has intrinsic value--merely instrumental (to opening cans).


Yes, just listing examples like that does not show you that truth is intrinsic. But I am still of the opinion that truth has intrinsic value. If I ever write a doctorate on Kants Third Critique (yes third, not second) I might post the part concerning truth here and you can give it a blasé nod. But in case that doesn't happen you'll just have to take my word for it. Pleeeeease?

"'Kant ought to be arrested and given three years in Solovki asylum for that "proof" of his!' Ivan Nikolayich burst out completely unexpectedly."

Well, he is sound asleep 6 feet under in Kaliningrad, so he kind of got it his way.



2534. Post 12205748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 21, 2015, 07:10:16 PM
Someone who's done nothing wrong won't pay, so the threat is a waste of energy or letting a wrong doer who's NOT on the hook stay off the hook and pay for his (or her) misdeeds in a different way that possibly causes less collateral damage.


Oh, they'll pay if doing nothing wrong can still get you in trouble. For an extreme example, try being gay in a country where that's illegal and/or will lead to death threats if known.

If you live in a country like that and you think BLACKMAIL is the problem, then I really can't help you. That's so dumb, I can't formulate a response.


This is golden.

I will print it out and hang it on the wall.



2535. Post 12206100 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 21, 2015, 07:52:18 PM


Oh, they'll pay if doing nothing wrong can still get you in trouble. For an extreme example, try being gay in a country where that's illegal and/or will lead to death threats if known.

If you live in a country like that and you think BLACKMAIL is the problem, then I really can't help you. That's so dumb, I can't formulate a response.


How about a country where what you do in your free time can get you kicked out of your job, because some things are considered crimes although there's no victim?

Again, that's exactly what I'm asking. In the free market, every trade is win-win or no deal. No victims. One party may benefit more than the other but they both benefit or the trade doesn't happen. There is no "victim" in backmail. Actions have consequences and offering someone a choice as to which consequences they face is a simple business proposal. I'm guessing Bill Clinton would have preferred Linda Tripp make such a proposal. 

I guess this would apply to robbery at gun point as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR3uFfT-qtM



2536. Post 12206194 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 21, 2015, 08:31:29 PM


Oh, they'll pay if doing nothing wrong can still get you in trouble. For an extreme example, try being gay in a country where that's illegal and/or will lead to death threats if known.

If you live in a country like that and you think BLACKMAIL is the problem, then I really can't help you. That's so dumb, I can't formulate a response.


How about a country where what you do in your free time can get you kicked out of your job, because some things are considered crimes although there's no victim?

Again, that's exactly what I'm asking. In the free market, every trade is win-win or no deal. No victims. One party may benefit more than the other but they both benefit or the trade doesn't happen. There is no "victim" in backmail. Actions have consequences and offering someone a choice as to which consequences they face is a simple business proposal. I'm guessing Bill Clinton would have preferred Linda Tripp make such a proposal. 

I guess this would apply to robbery at gun point as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR3uFfT-qtM

I already addressed the difference. It's not my fault if you jump in the middle and think you've made some profound point.

It was by no means meant to be profound, it's just a bit difficult to follow your mind sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26hOn4KYjyA



2537. Post 12207577 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on August 22, 2015, 12:46:22 AM

RIP Bitcoin

2009 - 2015

Cant think of a better way to represent bitcoin, a weeping angel. The Doctor Who fans in this thread know exactly what happens when you blink and a weeping angel is out to get you. You simply cannot declare bitcoin dead, you cannot take your eyes away from it, you cant blink.

Bitcoin has the phone box. It's a creature from another world. It's static only when you see it... the lonely assassin, they used to call it...
Dont turn around, dont look away and dont blink.

The Nerd is strong in this one



2538. Post 12207886 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: cyclotronmajesty on August 22, 2015, 02:15:36 AM
There is no blacklist in XT... just a bunch of internet rumors:

https://bitcoinxt.software/patches.html

get lost.

unproductive comments such as your's Mr. Lama are the ones which should get lost.

Don't worry. He'll fold. They always do.




2539. Post 12210389 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: AlexGR on August 22, 2015, 10:59:13 AM
WE need a faster bitcoin. Because we need people to invest in bitcoin, make it apart of their daily lives. Minute to minute.
We need stupid people like me and Mike Tyson, to buy bitcoin. Drive up that damn price. And Mike Tyson ain't got time to wait dem 10 minutes.

What you are asking already exists: Just buy litecoin or dogecoin man.

LTC 4x block frequency / 4x capacity / cheaper to transact

DOGE 10x block frequency / 10x capacity / practically free to transact

Litecoin: not developed enough (merchant acceptance, users, services).

Dogecoin: basically a joke currency/for the fun.

And the solution is to change bitcoin's parameter with a TV-ads approach of "bigger is better" and "faster is better" pseudo-campaign?

So next thing we know, people will be forking bitcoin because

- it has small blocks that "don't scale" (fork already provided in the form of XT- check)

- it has 10 minute blocks ("should be 5minutes or 2 minutes, so we'll fork it for the lolz, because, yeah, people can't wait 10minutes or 60 minutes if a block is late... that can't rival visa that way"

- (once the price goes over 5-10.000$ and transactions are done in 0.00x - 0.000x btc) "it has too many decimals, most people don't like them, let's fork it with proper integer units to adequately reflect value!".

- it is very centralized due to asic manufacturers etc... "we need to shift from sha256 to an asic-resistant algorithm... we'll fork it right away".

- (after the block size increase doesn't provide adequate fee compensation for the miners): "We need to increase inflation to keep our network secure, so the 21m coin cap will be no more. The alternative of non-scaling can't be sacrificed, so we'll sacrifice the fixed cap. Fork it..."


No thanks. I prefer intelligent dialogue between the core team until they have consensus. This is a multi-billion project, you can't go like a raging bull around the place.

This fork is about bigger blocks, right now. Why keep pushing straw man arguments? It's not the last update to the Bitcoin protocol. It's not the final version of the Bitcoin protocol.



2540. Post 12210422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 22, 2015, 11:08:40 AM
WE need a faster bitcoin. Because we need people to invest in bitcoin, make it apart of their daily lives. Minute to minute.
We need stupid people like me and Mike Tyson, to buy bitcoin. Drive up that damn price. And Mike Tyson ain't got time to wait dem 10 minutes.

What you are asking already exists: Just buy litecoin or dogecoin man.

LTC 4x block frequency / 4x capacity / cheaper to transact

DOGE 10x block frequency / 10x capacity / practically free to transact

Litecoin: not developed enough (merchant acceptance, users, services).

Dogecoin: basically a joke currency/for the fun.

And the solution is to change bitcoin's parameter with a TV-ads approach of "bigger is better" and "faster is better" pseudo-campaign?

So next thing we know, people will be forking bitcoin because

- it has small blocks that "don't scale" (fork already provided in the form of XT- check)

- it has 10 minute blocks ("should be 5minutes or 2 minutes, so we'll fork it for the lolz, because, yeah, people can't wait 10minutes or 60 minutes if a block is late... that can't rival visa that way"

- (once the price goes over 5-10.000$ and transactions are done in 0.00x - 0.000x btc) "it has too many decimals, most people don't like them, let's fork it with proper integer units to adequately reflect value!".

- it is very centralized due to asic manufacturers etc... "we need to shift from sha256 to an asic-resistant algorithm... we'll fork it right away".

- (after the block size increase doesn't provide adequate fee compensation for the miners): "We need to increase inflation to keep our network secure, so the 21m coin cap will be no more. The alternative of non-scaling can't be sacrificed, so we'll sacrifice the fixed cap. Fork it..."



No thanks. I prefer intelligent dialogue between the core team until they have consensus. This is a multi-billion project, you can't go like a raging bull around the place.

This fork is about bigger blocks, right now. Why keep pushing straw man arguments? It's not the last update to the Bitcoin protocol. It's not the final version of the Bitcoin protocol.

you dont know what you are talking about. pls stop. not here anyway.

Perhap, but please explain to retarded little me how these are not straw man arguments?



2541. Post 12210442 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: AlexGR on August 22, 2015, 11:12:56 AM
This fork is about bigger blocks, right now. Why keep pushing straw man arguments? It's not the last update to the Bitcoin protocol. It's not the final version of the Bitcoin protocol.

There is no straw man here. It's attacking the fundamental rationale behind what is happening.

2 devs saw that BTC should go another way regarding one of its parameters and they forked it. If they can do that, why not do the same for some other parameter, as they see fit?

For the sake of argument I am willing to accept that those are slippery slope arguments, but it's still not what's being proposed. And that seems to be quite common among those who oppose XT.



2542. Post 12210524 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 22, 2015, 11:26:39 AM
This fork is about bigger blocks, right now. Why keep pushing straw man arguments? It's not the last update to the Bitcoin protocol. It's not the final version of the Bitcoin protocol.

There is no straw man here. It's attacking the fundamental rationale behind what is happening.

2 devs saw that BTC should go another way regarding one of its parameters and they forked it. If they can do that, why not do the same for some other parameter, as they see fit?

For the sake of argument I am willing to accept that those are slippery slope arguments, but it's still not what's being proposed. And that seems to be quite common among those who oppose XT.

stfu. told you this is not the place. no need to spill your ignorance everywhere, thinking your opinion matter in the first place.

wall obs thread. lets keep it that way. go altcoin section.

Have I ever told you that you're a complete ass?




2543. Post 12210558 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 22, 2015, 11:31:24 AM
cry me a river.



2544. Post 12211385 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: AlexGR on August 22, 2015, 11:53:52 AM
This fork is about bigger blocks, right now. Why keep pushing straw man arguments? It's not the last update to the Bitcoin protocol. It's not the final version of the Bitcoin protocol.

There is no straw man here. It's attacking the fundamental rationale behind what is happening.

2 devs saw that BTC should go another way regarding one of its parameters and they forked it. If they can do that, why not do the same for some other parameter, as they see fit?

For the sake of argument I am willing to accept that those are slippery slope arguments, but it's still not what's being proposed. And that seems to be quite common among those who oppose XT.

Poster earlier said "we need faster btc, not 10 minutes BTC".

Andersen and Hearn said "we need bigger btc, not 1mb BTC"

Next thing you know, a guy who doesn't follow protocol, just like Andersen and Hearn did, forks it in favor of 2x - 5x faster transactions and claims all the other guys are cripple coiners for insisting on a time limit that is slow and that can't rival visa. He proclaims that speed is a necessary element for getting wide adoption and that otherwise we'll be favoring payment processors that can take 0-conf transactions - so we really NEED these lower conf. times.

See how good it sounds? But these populist appeals to bigger-better-faster are bullshit.

If you ask anyone whether they want a bitcoin that can transact faster or be able to cope with more transactions, they will all say yes. Why wouldn't they? But there are very good technical reasons why we don't currently have 10mb blocks, or a high block frequency, or zero fees, or or or.

For most people these technical reasons are elusive, and that means that their decision in favor of a "better" bitcoin can be heavily influenced due to all those factors that they ignore.

So let's just leave the actual devs that know how BTC works, and that perform very thorough analyses on how it'll work out if they change key parameters, to decide the next development steps of BTC.

This is still a slippery slope argument. You're assuming that the Bitcoin ecosystem is so stupid that they will adopt just any change no matter how destructive it would be. If so, then Bitcoin is doomed anyways and we should just all give up. If there are no arguments pro core and/or against  this XT implementation then I don't see what you're trying to say here. Are you worried about the open source nature of Bitcoin?

PS. You can disagree with Gavin, but to suggest that he doesn't know what he's doing warrants a bit of an explanation. I would be very interested to hear how he went from chief scientist to bumbling ignoramus.



2545. Post 12212446 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: lavenderfaith on August 22, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
Miners are ultimately incentivized to secure and protect the network, not improve it with risky upgrades that cause market participants to panic sell, devaluing their network's token. I predict they will simply not adopt XT.



Some good news in mainstream press. Finally!

"Federal Reserve deeply split. Renegade group of board members to create separate American dollar"

"Despite all the sound and fury, a genuine split is still unlikely. Like doves and hawks at an old-fashioned central bank, the two sides will probably agree on some sort of compromise, perhaps at two fun-sounding “Bitcoin Scalability Workshops” scheduled for later this year. And even if miners get to decide by using the version they like, this would probably not lead to a Bitcoin split. Once it becomes clear which version is likely to prevail, all miners will have an incentive to join the winning side. Already, 13% of nodes have jumped on the dissident XT bandwagon, albeit few miners. Whether majority rule is the best way to run a system with Bitcoin’s pretensions is an entirely different question."

You know the debate is going off the rails when lambie is the voice of reason.



2546. Post 12213729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Hmmm...







C'mon!



2547. Post 12213822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):



c'mon!



2548. Post 12214168 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: AlexGR on August 22, 2015, 07:16:10 PM
This is still a slippery slope argument. You're assuming that the Bitcoin ecosystem is so stupid that they will adopt just any change no matter how destructive it would be.

It's not stupidity. It's just that most people in the ecosystem are formulating an opinion based on a fraction of the data and possible implications.

Quote
If so, then Bitcoin is doomed anyways and we should just all give up. If there are no arguments pro core and/or against this XT implementation then I don't see what you're trying to say here.

I'm saying leave the experts of the core team to do their work. They know what to do and they're doing it well.

Quote
PS. You can disagree with Gavin, but to suggest that he doesn't know what he's doing warrants a bit of an explanation. I would be very interested to hear how he went from chief scientist to bumbling ignoramus.

Well, if avg block size is currently at 0.4mb (and even that is full of dust / spam txs which will be wiped out once fee competition starts for 1mb inclusion) and he says we "urgently" need 8mb and that's a very serious reason to fork it while in the process creating a rift among the devs and risking market uncertainty, well... you don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that something very fishy is going on.

I don't believe he doesn't know what he is doing. He probably knows full well. It's the whole false rationale, motives and modus operandi that I'm having issues with.




If you look at the number of transactions between Jul 2013 and Jan 2014 there is a period where the number of transactions excluding popular addresses doubles. What I see is that if we get another bull run like that, the blocksize will probably hit the ceiling. So there is a bit of urgency to it.

Now, we might not have another bull run any time soon, but in case it happens next month I'd like to see that somebody has a solution lined up. And at this point I fear that a fee hike might strangle Bitcoin in its infancy.

In any event, why do we have to wait until the house is on fire before we buy a fire extinguisher?

And if you, and everyone else who are such gung ho core loyalists, really believe Gavin has a hidden agenda, could you please tell me what that agenda is thought to be? There's a lot of cloudy insinuations, but nothing really to suggest that he wants anything else than what he deems to be best for Bitcoin.




2549. Post 12214422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 22, 2015, 08:38:11 PM
Listening to these fools, arguing that bitcoin doesn't need to scale because we can use trusted third parties to work around the transaction limit.  In short it can scale as long as we don't scale it. 

People with conflicts of interest complaining that their opponents have conflicts of interest. 

so anyway. I bought a $50 gamestop gift card at purse .io for $41 worth of bitcoin, went to Gamestop and used the credit to buy a shell gift card, went to shell and bought gas and a pack of cigarettes and still have $41 dollars left on the card, so I effectively got my purchase for free!

Purse.io rocks. Bullish? not a paid endorsement


I've been teasing you a lot lately, but that is actually really cool!



2550. Post 12214965 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: TerraMaster on August 22, 2015, 10:02:11 PM
To "Bip or not to Bip" that is the question  Grin

I have been reading so many pros and cons..... last look, XT is slowly gaining nodes.

Of course you bip. Or you'll hit the wall.



If this doesn't solve the issue I will declare Bitcoin dead.



2551. Post 12215010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 22, 2015, 10:10:10 PM




2552. Post 12215024 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: HeXaN on August 22, 2015, 10:20:42 PM
Quote
Question:   Core Vs XT
XT   - 13 (22.4%)
Core   - 30 (51.7%)
IDK   - 15 (25.9%)
Total Voters: 58
Core wins!


Hurray!



2553. Post 12215262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 22, 2015, 11:03:09 PM
http://surviveshemitah.com/

Looks like we'll need to raise the block limit schnappish!



2554. Post 12219588 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Feri22 on August 23, 2015, 01:58:13 PM
Two known CIA/NSA assets infiltrated in the Bitcoin community - Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - have joined forces to push a hastily concocted privacy nightmare/scamcoin, which they call Bitcoin-XT.

It is currently completely irrelevant, owing to an absolute lack of financial, economical, technical or social support.


This must be one of the lamest and most stupid FUD there is...It is pure lie and misinformation

He did meet with the CIA, in the same way that I met the FSB. He talks about it in "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin". Meeting people just means that you meet people.

It might very well be that Satoshi Nakamoto was an alias related to a NSA∕CIA project to create a digital currency, in the same way as with TOR. But we don't give a shit, because we can check the code.

Who cares if it turns out that the NSA/CIA funds Bitcoin development? As long as we can check the code and see that it is in line with what we think Bitcoin needs to be then they're welcome to use their resources to make Bitcoin better.



2555. Post 12222095 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: molecular on August 23, 2015, 07:53:36 PM
Where can we see the xt node count?

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/ while xtnodes.com is down due to DDOS.



The Bitcoin Community Strikes Again!

Let's sit around the campfire and DDOS someone we don't agree with.




2556. Post 12222684 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 23, 2015, 08:56:44 PM
Decentralized decision making, hashing toward a better bitcoin

wouldn't this make you bullish as fuck if this kinda system was in place?

I like you Adam but this is so wrong I'd sell all my bitcoins the day we even consider using this decision process

Why ?

Because

Bitcoin is not a democracy and in the hopes it prospers it shall never be.

Democracy is the rule of the mob.

Bitcoin is a consensus system. Anyone trying to contaminate it with "democractic" process is proposing an attack at the heart of Bitcoin ethos.  

It is beyond me how anyone could still be fooled by the pipe dream of democracy anyway.






2557. Post 12222930 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 23, 2015, 10:05:54 PM
you are wrong fatman, im not sure either you are stupid or naive.

to stay polite. because you seems to be a genuine bitcoiner but just not getting it.



2558. Post 12222992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 23, 2015, 10:15:12 PM
right facepalm as much as you want.



so smart dude.



2559. Post 12225073 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: shmadz on August 24, 2015, 04:39:10 AM
 intentionally throttling the network to collect more fees is like strangling the golden goose to get more eggs.

Or like jumping out of a certain wooden sculpture when the walls of Troy first come into view?

Or like trying to charge money for an infinite resource?

Bip 101 timescale:

Year.  Size.  Reward.  blockchain size (rough estimate)
2016  8MB.  12.5.     40GB
2020  32MB  6.25.     3.4TB
2024. 128MB  3.125.  16.8TB
2028. 512MB  1.5625.  70.56TB
2032  2048MB  0.78125.  285.6TB
2036  8192MB  0.390625.  1145TB

How many individuals do you think will be incentivized to store more than a petabyte of data with no compensation? The good news is that Gavin's plan is preposterous and will never gain traction, so fortunately there's nothing to worry about.  Cool





2560. Post 12225395 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 24, 2015, 07:30:41 AM
It looks like some kind of circuit breaker tripped on bfx. no trades for a while.
I can't even cancel my orders...

came back online, someone dumped 1K coins and went off again. This is not good.

WTF, BJA?Huh?


At least if you make some kind of factual representation regarding current events, you could be a little more accurate. 

It appears that Bitfinex came back on line for about 2.5 minutes, and during that time, around 1000 BTC were traded... but they were NOT merely one player dumping coins, but instead there were a lot of trades back and forth between approximately $219 and $223.

Sorry, a thousand coins were either market sold or hit their ask price. UPDATE back up to $223

Yep... Bitfinex, keeps coming back online for a few minutes, and then going back off line.. they seem to be having some keeping it up issues at the moment.

They should have taken the blue pill



2561. Post 12226560 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: becoin on August 24, 2015, 10:14:32 AM
bitcoin will be up with XT or without XT
Mmm... or not?
Bitcoin price tanked. That is a fact. People have voted against XT alt coin fork with their bitcoin wallets.

I guess Core wasn't able to formulate an adequate response then. Perhaps the problem is that Bitcoin has some leadership issues.



2562. Post 12226767 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: becoin on August 24, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
Perhaps the problem is that Bitcoin has some leadership issues.
Perhaps the problem is that Bitcoin under the leadership of government-centric Mike Hearn is the worst possible scenario for the bitcoin community?
Perhaps, but it takes quite a bit of incompetence to lose the status core has.



2563. Post 12226974 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):



Finex is worrying me



2564. Post 12227743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):


I am starting to fear that I have misinterpreted the recent bull run attempts.




2565. Post 12227799 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: ImI on August 24, 2015, 01:05:02 PM

to be honest, linear chart looks massively oversold to me.


I just worry that it might not matter when the rest of the economy is tanking. The smart money are consolidating to fiat and low risk investments atm. Bitcoin might not fit the bill.



2566. Post 12227819 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 24, 2015, 01:10:40 PM

I am starting to fear that I have misinterpreted the recent bull run attempts.

..


lol if only it was the only thing you misinterpreted.


I will humor you by calling you a donkeys ass, but this is getting tiresome.



2567. Post 12229355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: AZwarel on August 24, 2015, 03:44:27 PM

I understand, and it is a valid standpoint. I am agnostic in this blocksize debate, precisely because none of us can tell the future. Not FUDding at all, it will be sorted out one way or another, for economical reasons (too much people has too much capital - time, knowledge, money - invested in). Also, living in the present and thinking about the future - in my view - are not exclusive options.

About the Moore's law and Intel CEO: the reason for slowing as i see is that market demand for rapid progression is slowing down - the average consumer PC/tablet/smart phone is "good enough" hardware to be ok already (office use, gaming, design, etc.), no pressure to upgrade every 1-2 years. So naturally, a hardware supplier will say "progress halted". If market demand would be huge for new computing capacity, they would spend way more on R&D, since they can profit on the new product, and Moore's law would hold up.
for example, bitcoin mining was the main drive force behind new chip fabrication development in the last 2-3 years, precisely because it could turn on profit!

Your point is apt, but the current slowing of Moore's law has more to do with the physics of making smaller and smaller fabrication nodes. There is more money flowing into processor development now than ever before.



2568. Post 12230199 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: serpicodk on August 24, 2015, 05:27:22 PM
Btc-e 208$ down we go. That's some serious crash for 1 month. +300$ to 200$ now. Will we see under 200?

Where are these delusional bulls saying "we will not see 200's again" ??



2569. Post 12230261 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Well, at least volume is up.



2570. Post 12230277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: kenji on August 24, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
we all know that xt will never prevail.
so why people dumping their bitcoins at these low prices?



Because the fucking sky is falling... Globally.

People are getting out of risky investments.



2571. Post 12230301 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: newbie666 on August 24, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
Well, at least volume is up.

Bullish!

Always!!!



2572. Post 12230947 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 24, 2015, 06:03:14 PM
starting to think there no need to increase block size limit because bitcoin will soon not be used at all

Despair?




2573. Post 12231147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 24, 2015, 06:52:11 PM
talk about block size limit is getting more and more Insane. conspiracy theories everywhere!

It should be obvious that if you want a decentralized ledger to serve as the economic foundation for your preparation to colonize the planet named Earth by its inhabitants, you need small block sizes in order to effectively transmit the blockchain to Zergatron (Our home planet. It's purple. Vey niiice!!!).



2574. Post 12234793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Someone is buying a lot of tokens for the decentralized ledger.



2575. Post 12235006 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

WHAT THE FUCK AND FUCK ME WITH THE WHAT?



XT 46.43% Huh

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?page=1&q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0/



2576. Post 12235039 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Can we please agree that yesterday was despair?




CCMF!!!!



2577. Post 12235112 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

hmmmm....

XT nodes down to 10%



2578. Post 12235139 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Hunyadi on August 25, 2015, 06:21:17 AM
hmmmm....

XT nodes down to 10%

Yes, weird stuff. Are they somehow faking or how is this possible? Earlier it was like 40%.

Well, since the alternative is that 35% of the network changed their minds within the last 30 min, I think we know the answer.



2579. Post 12235151 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on August 25, 2015, 06:22:24 AM
WHAT THE FUCK AND FUCK ME WITH THE WHAT?



XT 46.43% Huh

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?page=1&q=/Bitcoin%20XT:0.11.0/

Guys, nodes don't make a consensus. Besides that, they are fake. The thing that counts is the blocks mined. Which is next to nothing at this point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3iao3i/how_to_run_3000_completely_legit_full_nodes_aka/

http://xtnodes.com/

Edit: I should add that I could be completely wrong>  Tongue

Edit: Nope, I'm not.  Cheesy

All explained a few posts ^

He's switched them all to Core now.

Seeing is believing



2580. Post 12235190 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):


Looking at: http://coinmarketcap.com/

Doesn't look like BTC money went into any alts.



2581. Post 12235218 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 25, 2015, 06:29:47 AM
China crashing worse than Bitcoin  Cheesy

Down 15% in 2 days !!


It had to end this way.

Looking forward to bargains... on everything.



2582. Post 12235231 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 25, 2015, 06:36:52 AM

Looking at: http://coinmarketcap.com/

Doesn't look like BTC money went into any alts.
No.  I believe Chinese got out of BTC or LTC to buy cheaper Chinese stocks...

That doesn't make any sense. A quick look will tell you no one is buying Chinese stocks at the moment. I know we Bitcoiners like to catch falling knives but this China situation is something else...

I think he might have a point. Bitcoiners are high risk investors. The same kind who'd be looking for bargains when the sky is falling.



2583. Post 12235282 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: nerioseole on August 25, 2015, 06:44:07 AM
The same kind who'd be looking for bargains when the sky is falling.

OMG!!! The sky is falling!

 Cool

Give me a break!  Chinese stocks increased by 10x over the last 7 years - what is a small 15% correction... lets get things in perspective here...



2584. Post 12235356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: nerioseole on August 25, 2015, 06:56:14 AM

More like 40% from its peak this summer...

... why is there always someone who wants to be picky...  Roll Eyes



2585. Post 12235391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: petahashminer on August 25, 2015, 07:01:13 AM
where can i see the estimated next difficulty for bitcoin and litecoin ?

any alternate for bitcoinwisdom site?


cause, site : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty   is down for 3 days.




http://bitcoincharts.com/


Don't know about litecoin



2586. Post 12235495 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: nerioseole on August 25, 2015, 07:04:47 AM
where can i see the estimated next difficulty for bitcoin and litecoin ?

any alternate for bitcoinwisdom site?


cause, site : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty   is down for 3 days.



CEO of Google will assist you if you Email him with the keywords:  "litecoin" "difficulty"

CEO of Bitcoin or Litecoin will also assist you if you Email them directly.

Bitcoin-QT  or Litecoin-QT (getmininginfo command) will also enlighten you in your quest.

Not to mention any of the numerous mining pools that will estimate the next difficulty for you.

You are a Senior Member of Bitcointalk, you can do some research before asking nooby questions...


Chill...



2587. Post 12235706 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: nerioseole on August 25, 2015, 07:34:55 AM

Chill...

When "asking" became more trendy than "researching" on your own?   I don't get it.   One have to type more words to ask a question on a forum than to ask Google directly... Is it the "social" interaction I am not getting?
... I guess I answered my own question, if I posted/answered a question on this forum...

GO Bitcoin! GO!


Fuck Yeah!



2588. Post 12235810 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 25, 2015, 08:01:41 AM

Chill...

When "asking" became more trendy than "researching" on your own?   I don't get it.   One have to type more words to ask a question on a forum than to ask Google directly... Is it the "social" interaction I am not getting?
... I guess I answered my own question, if I posted/answered a question on this forum...

GO Bitcoin! GO!


Fuck Yeah!

I still don't know what to do.. buy a little or wait until tomorrow?

TBH? IDK.

But you could take a look at this.



2589. Post 12236381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 25, 2015, 09:43:29 AM
Does it have to be the compromised shitcode of XT: definitely not

There is a version of XT with the block size limit increase only, without the other controversial changes.

If you don't trust XT, but (for some bizarre reason) you do trust Blockstream, you can take a copy of BitcoinCore and apply the size increase patches from XT yourself. There may be a copy of that out there, too.

Indeed, if you are not a miner, you can just take the BitcoinCore code and replace the one line where it says "MAX_BLOCK_SIZE = 1000000" by "32000000".  That way you will accept big blocks if they are in a blockchain that is longer than any other.  There are some hypothetical situations when that will be the "wrong" chain for a block or two, but those situations may occur only briefly sometime in 2016, and will not be different from the orphan blocks that happen 2-3 times every day already,

Stolfi did Blockstream took your daughter out for dinner and brought her back late or something? Your butthurt is something else.

By all accounts the actions of Mike & Gavin warrant far more suspicion than conjectures about Blockstream's influence over the block size decision.

Stolfi is CIA's administrative agent in São Paulo.

He's also a special operative for Boeing, gathering information on Embraer.

Don't know if it's relevant, but I thought I'd mention it.



2590. Post 12238410 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Paashaas on August 25, 2015, 02:15:18 PM


How low can you sink, you're making youreself a dumbass with youre reversed psychology, youre name says it all.




2591. Post 12238859 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on August 25, 2015, 03:16:18 PM
Finex freezing again..
Froze with a 1078 buy according to bitcoinwisdom.com.



2592. Post 12239312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: findftp on August 25, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
ok, stock market returning to normal and BTC following back along with it.  Smiley

Back up to 222 USD on Stamp now. This baby isn't ready to die just yet Wink. Who managed to get some coins around 200-210 USD then? I got 2 the other day, was hoping the price would stay low until I get paid but it looks like the price is going up now.

Always keep your last fiat dry to join the pump to 5k
In the meantime BTFD.

I think I'll bail at 3K. I'm not made for all this excitement.



2593. Post 12240770 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 25, 2015, 06:29:21 PM
get your BTC out of bitfinex b4 it implodes! I expect full implosion in 3 hours so regretfully there is no time to save your fiat... you can however buy BTC with your fiat and get out that way. everyone remained calm and evacuate your riches from bitfinex.

Their customers can only buy Bitcoin to get out before the predicted implosion if trading gets unfrozen in the next three hours. What if Bitfinex refuses to unfreeze trading before then? According to their last tweet they are manually updating positions and balances with the trades. That must be a time consuming process.

holy fuck! GTFO GTFO GTFO
Red Alert
GTFO

I heard their servers were confiscated and that they're operating on punch cards.

Time to bail!!




2594. Post 12240942 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Hi Lambie!

I see you've been here a lot lately.  

Hodling, waiting to buy in, or leveraged?



2595. Post 12241039 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: bobonaut on August 25, 2015, 07:13:30 PM
Hi Lambie!

I see you've been here a lot lately.  

Hodling, waiting to buy in, or leveraged?

Nah, one of my guilty pleasures: observing you Bitcoiners in your natural habitat, doing what you do best--act unpleasant & lose money Smiley
pussy



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2599. Post 12241630 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on August 25, 2015, 08:17:19 PM
>225 <25mins

omfg i was right

this is a first.

Oh shit. What the hell is going to happen now?!?

He is now the Oracle.

So he'll keep talking nonsense, but he'll bake pie?



2600. Post 12241687 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on August 25, 2015, 08:21:51 PM
>225 <25mins

omfg i was right

this is a first.

Oh shit. What the hell is going to happen now?!?

He is now the Oracle.

So he'll keep talking nonsense, but he'll bake pie?
Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would btc still have broken it if he hadn't said anything?

LOL!



2601. Post 12241738 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 25, 2015, 08:27:56 PM
-snip-

We will reach there, don't worry Tongue

Hang in tight old buddy. The price sucks but they couldn't keep us below 200 or even in the low 200's for long. I bought another 2 bitcoins the other day. I'm planning to buy another 3 or 4 on Friday on payday when I have more fiat available. I kind of hope the price stays down until then.

Guess what bro, these few days I was thinking heavily about you and about that party, even if it will settle on YOU ONLY, we will enjoy one week in hell, and it's first and last rule is "No rules", everything is possible for being the last standing people and having nerves of steel.

As I said, I will invite a lot of people and it will be organized because it's once-in-a-life-time party, but even if it will settle on ONE PERSON, I will do it, probably it will be YOU Tongue

The price sucks but like we've said many, many, many times......we are in no rush. I'd worry if we went to the low 100's but the crash is correcting itself now, they couldn't keep us down for long.

If we do go to the moon I will be there buddy, cocaine & hookers all the way. I'm getting some 'narcotics' at the end of the week. I've had a shit week & need to let off some steam. Got threatened with a copyright lawsuit today (in my every day occupation / business).
If the Moon were at the same distance as the ISS



2602. Post 12241888 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Uschi69 on August 25, 2015, 08:41:11 PM
So if people wanīt at least try to withdraw their coins i guess they would have to close their positions first.

100k+ BTC long vs. 20k BTC short

Do the math    Undecided

100k-20k=80k

80k/Yx3,14=$32000 coins!!!

CCMF!!!




2603. Post 12242035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Uschi69 on August 25, 2015, 09:03:13 PM
Wow, just imagine if only a few thousand of Finex coins could get withdrawn and hit Bitstamps or Krakens empty orderbook during the next bear raid!
We all know that the network will get spammed by coinwallet.eu with a resulting 30d delay in transactions in 6 days, so any sane person would put it on a exchange now instead of putting it into coldwallet, maybe inca and LFC will but who else?


WOW
WOW
WOW


Stamp shows at least ~ 1,7m (~9000BTC) in bids before we go to double digits!

BULLISH!


No XT fud?



2604. Post 12242050 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: jertsy on August 25, 2015, 09:08:04 PM
So if people wanīt at least try to withdraw their coins i guess they would have to close their positions first.

100k+ BTC long vs. 20k BTC short

Do the math    Undecided

100k-20k=80k

80k/Yx3,14=$32000 coins!!!

CCMF!!!



What if Bitfinex doesn't have enough coins to pay everyone if they all withdraw at the same time? They might go offline and keep saying they will reopen sometime in the future like Gox did. I don't think Bitfinex has ever done a proof of reserves, or has it?

What if they simply had some technical stuff they needed to fix?

An audit (sort of): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560457.0



2605. Post 12242129 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Uschi69 on August 25, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Wow, just imagine if only a few thousand of Finex coins could get withdrawn and hit Bitstamps or Krakens empty orderbook during the next bear raid!
We all know that the network will get spammed by coinwallet.eu with a resulting 30d delay in transactions in 6 days, so any sane person would put it on a exchange now instead of putting it into coldwallet, maybe inca and LFC will but who else?


WOW
WOW
WOW


Stamp shows at least ~ 1,7m (~9000BTC) in bids before we go to double digits!

BULLISH!


No XT fud?

XT is just a lame excuse used by bullscammers for the current drop . The real reason is, as always, scammin exchanges and most important  no one buyin or puttin additional money into a technology no one is usin beside a few criminals. Price has only been held up by fake buy orders on Finex with BTC used as collateral. Now that they are dying, we will discover the "real" price. Call me when Bistamp has more than 5-10m, in itīs orderbook,  then i might buy again....

I don't have your phone number. Can I PM instead?



2606. Post 12245751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: Hopalong on August 26, 2015, 08:15:32 AM
The broader issue is still that society isn't waking up to the need for crypto. Sure there are problems with BTC but if people actually cared about using it then an altcoin would have shot to the moon by now to take its place, even if temporarily. If the power is held by exchanges, then miners then merchants and consumers are down the bottom, then we're probably at the complete opposite of where we need to be.

There are no consumers. Just speculators.

Are we so sure it is the society who needs a crypto?

The strong belivers in crypto are mainly conspiracy theorists who want to get away from the evil goverment and geeks who loves the blockchain tech. There are also a few anarchist who see the potencial for breaking down beforementioned society with the implemention of bitcoin since it will break nations if it get used by everyone.

So what benefit has the society of bitcoin?
Huge cost savings in finance



2607. Post 12247372 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: HI-TEC99 on August 26, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
Not really.People, including yours truly, still have problems withdrawing from Bitfinex.For some dubious reason my account's USD balance on exchange is -18$(negative) even though my BTC balance on exchange is in the thousands of USD. Any withdrawal attempt is automatically canceled for this reason: "Negative balance on wallet exchange".
Please don't full GOX on us bitfinex, pleeeeease.

Seriously,you leave "thousands of USD" in BTC on an exchange Huh You mention Gox,sooo you have learned nothing from that Huh

Wow  Shocked

NEVER leave BTC on an exchange...unless of course you don't care if you lose it all  Roll Eyes

But people predominantly use Bitcoin for trading which necessitates leaving funds on an exchange,and preferably one with the highest liquidity. Bitfinex had the highest USD/BTC liquidity before their system went haywire so if you wanted to trade there you had to gamble it wouldn't Gox you. If nobody left funds on exchanges there would be no trading and Bitcoin would have almost no value. Until we get decentralized exchanges we're stuck with he present state of affairs.

Leaving fiat on exchanges is one thing. Leaving bitcoins is another.

Fiat transfers cost money and take days. Bitcoin transfers cost almost nothing and take minutes.

No one can Gox what's safely in a paper wallet.

Market moves can happen very quickly and it can take an hour to send coins to an exchange and wait for six confirmations. By the time your coins show up in your exchange account a market move can be over. If your coins are in your exchange account you can take advantage of a market move quickly but run the risk of the exchange going haywire.

Besides, there's a huge difference between Gox's problems and the minor hiccups we've seen from Bitfinex and Bitstamp.

I always hate it when people come, after the fact, to the forum to tell people how dumb they were to not see some market movement in advance. But with Gox people should have smelled the fuse.

And a lot of people did. Gox had problems with fiat withdrawals for more than six months before it went bust. That's why they traded 10-20% above the rest of the market. Even when they halted BTC withdrawals some 'happy go lucky' traders were willing to buy goxcoins in exchange for real BTC.

Every bank, trading platform and other financial institution on the planet have glitches and weaknesses they have to iron out as they go. But at least these others can time their maintenance to weekends, closing hours or holidays. BTC exchanges are expected to work non-stop all day all week all year. That's not really realistic. Downtime is to be expected.

That's not to say that they can't go belly up. Just that some of these technical difficulties could be, well, technical difficulties.




2608. Post 12248488 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 26, 2015, 02:32:37 PM
Xt is dead!?:
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/21699/major-mining-pools-make-stand-bitcoin-xt-fork-support-bip-100-grows/
without the biggest mining pool they will never reach 75%
A mining pool doesn't own its hashrate, miners can go mine elswhere on a whim.

XT is dead tho...

But it looks like larger block sizes might yet fall out of the dead rotting carcass of this debate.



2609. Post 12248527 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.24h):

Quote from: wicks on August 26, 2015, 02:39:11 PM
The indicator is lagging, it shows % of last 1000 blocks, i.e. for the last week. In a week or two we'll see the level of support among miners. I hope it'll be low, because I wouldn't like to entrust my bitcoins to people that cheat so openly (I mean the fake nodes).

As opposed to the valiant knights who DDOSd xtnodes.com?

I think we all should know by now that the bitcoin community is full of ... colourful characters.




2610. Post 12248572 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 26, 2015, 02:50:30 PM
I can confirm XT is dead. RIP Gavin & Mike.

source? cuz i'll only believe it when i see gavin & hearn's head on a pike. Tongue



2611. Post 12248700 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on August 26, 2015, 03:04:31 PM

it has like 2% hashing power voting for it while BIP100 or 8MB options are both at like 20%

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pools
Miners will follow the nodes. If XT has 80% nodes in January miners will just follow what was decided by them.
No. It might add some pressure, but there is no technical reason for them to do so.



2612. Post 12249286 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 26, 2015, 03:52:33 PM
there pretty much consensus about this, XT is a flop

XT has reached is goal imo to put more pressure. It has also brought out the worst in some people and pointed to some related problems (centralization of control over the places the community uses to communicate, for example).

I ran XT on my node for a while for exactly this reason. I never intended to blindly follow Hearns changes in the future and I think I'm not alone.



i really dont think gavin goal was simply put pressure, but it has worked out that way.

i wonder what will happen to him... not sure if the Core devs will take him back, if he can't dev bitcoin, what will he do?? GavinCoin is becoming a real possibility  Cheesy

What every bitcoiner ever wanted.




2613. Post 12250211 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: megadeth on August 26, 2015, 05:28:23 PM
Thawing in the debate: https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/636410827969421312
Consensus being reached.

Gavin is quite the diplomat.

"I think 2MB is absurdly small. Where do you get that number from, or does it just "feel right"?  Average web page size is 2MB..."

Wonder if he's spent some time in the WO thread.



2614. Post 12250320 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: moneymanagment on August 26, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
How is a decision supposed to be made with a technology that is decentralized?



2615. Post 12252023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: rolling on August 26, 2015, 07:15:05 PM
I don't understand all of this talk about two chains etc. There is no way that is going to happen. The miners won't mine on a shorter chain, they will follow the longest chain period. The whole system is controlled by miners regardless of what devs and investors think of themselves. The only power and the only votes that count are those of the miners.



Long time no see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdR6MN2jKYs




2616. Post 12252640 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: heartastack on August 26, 2015, 11:27:54 PM

Is the blue ribbon necessary? Just takes up more screen space and is annoying. I think the blue ribbon is the reason for dumping.
ChartBuddy is filled with fury and rage. He needs to express it somehow.



2617. Post 12255168 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: souspeed on August 27, 2015, 05:37:47 AM
Up or down...

Up of course!




Dididadadududadadididadadududada...FATMAN!!!



2618. Post 12255678 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Monopoly on August 27, 2015, 09:41:37 AM
Up or down...

Up of course!

-snip- flying fat guy-


Dididadadududadadididadadududada...FATMAN!!!

More of course than of course ... down with head to target $10

-snip- skinny falling guy-


Damn! You of coursed me with your superior of courseness!

DOWN WE GO!!!



2619. Post 12257001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: abercrombie on August 27, 2015, 12:51:49 PM

Bitfinex changed banks to CTBC BANK Co.  Notifications sent out via email this morning.

Heard withdrawals are being manually approved after the data corruption issue stated on Twitter.  The oldest of my 4 withdrawals is going on 24 hours.  As a result of this holdup, I'm not trading until this is fixed.

Is abercrombies cryptos dead?



Sorry in advance. I know I'm an asshole. I just couldn't help it.



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2621. Post 12260095 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: hdbuck on August 27, 2015, 06:51:48 PM

you guys dont friggin get it.

THERE IS NO CHOICE

THIS IS BITCOIN, YOU EITHER LIKE IT OR QUIT IT

THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY WHERE YOU CAN CHOOSE WHICH DEGENERATED BITCOIN TURD YOU LIKE

GOD DAMN YOU BLIND SHEEPS ALWAYS CRAVING TO FOLLOW SOME EGOMANIAC DEVELOPER/COMPANY OVER REDDIT

YOU BUNCH OF RETARDS THAT JUST CANT STAND MORE THAN 3 MINS WITHOUT MISSING THE LEASH

I understand that you worry about your investment, but this is not healthy. Either get out of Bitcoin or show some dignity.

Edit:

Quote from: Peter R on August 27, 2015, 06:56:38 PM
You're not you when you're hungry.  Maybe you need a Snickers?

Yeah, and that.




2622. Post 12260277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on August 27, 2015, 07:39:40 PM

who gives a shit ?

bitcoin simply IS

we are at the bottom.

buy buy buy!!!!!!


Agreed




2623. Post 12260340 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: salex8216 on August 27, 2015, 07:42:05 PM
Next week Bitcoin 180-190$ 280-290$ Smiley



2624. Post 12260646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: brg444 on August 27, 2015, 08:35:29 PM
The longest proof of work chain is the consensus mechanism.  

You keep spreading this falsehood. While it is not exactly wrong, it's not perfectly right either.


Not really. "the longest chain" is ambiguous. It should really be "the longest valid chain", and then you need to define which coin's concept of "validity" you're using. Every client follows the longest valid chain - that's precisely how they decide which chain to follow.

So assuming the question is "will my node follow the longest valid Bitcoin chain?", then the answer is "no" for XT once BIP101 is activated. At that point XT stops following the longest valid Bitcoin chain and starts following the longest valid XT chain, whereas the answer is "yes" for Bitcoin.




It's my understanding that neither of these assertions is true in Bitcoin XT.  XT changes the consensus mechanism significantly:

Another less cited new feature of the XT client is a change to chain selection/consensus rules. XT clients don't follow the longest chain, they follow the chain with the highest XT checkpoint embedded into it.



Exactly what is a checkpoint and how is it embedded in the blockchain?

How does the XT wallet decide which chain to embed a checkpoint into, and how does it decide what height to embed a checkpoint at?

How does the XT wallet decide the frequency and time to embed checkpoints at?

There is only one thing you really need to know: checkpoint is not Bitcoin.

Checkpoint is an attempt a rewriting history. One of Hearn's favorite tool.



2625. Post 12260947 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Elwar on August 27, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
What's going on? Something about a block size?

Does anyone have an opinion on that?



2626. Post 12263625 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Peter R on August 28, 2015, 07:15:53 AM
The problem is that our usual discussion thread for this type of thing (Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP) was locked by the Forum Administrators.  Furthermore, my submissions to /r/bitcoin are all censored now.  Since I've lost my two favourite outlets, my Bitcoin addiction is leaking into nearby threads...

http://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/

Crazy.  Cypherdoc just posted an announcement for his thread's new home here and BANG, the Admin killed it!

In the WO thread?



2627. Post 12264551 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: bassclef on August 28, 2015, 09:16:41 AM
Futures settlement party starts the right shoulder of an inverse head & shoulders reversal pattern. High volume buying on Stamp this week. Asks thinning out while bid sides firming up.

Get 'em if you want 'em; not much selling left to push the price down.

(imo)

This.

If you believe the price will go up, buy. If not, don't. Waiting for it to drop $2-3 when we're waiting for a pump is a bit strange to me.

But, by all means, feel free to come here and bitch about how you narrowly missed your buy in price when we're $30 up.



2628. Post 12273533 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Monopoly on August 29, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
The bitcoin is fighting for Higher price but couldn't carry it anymore ...... Be relax and waiting for see another crash very soon ............

Hey Monopoly! This isn't a game, you know.

Anyways, you should know that you have to buy to win.



2629. Post 12276745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Monopoly on August 29, 2015, 07:21:03 PM
The BTC market has not power for rising ....... be ready for another crashing



2630. Post 12277938 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Bitmain released another world crushing product. This will cause a rally. We will become filthy rich.



2631. Post 12277976 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on August 29, 2015, 11:02:24 PM
Coin
Explanation


That's right ChartBuddy, filthy rich.



2632. Post 12280763 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Elwar on August 30, 2015, 08:47:10 AM
who will bother to open an account with coinbase to buy bitcoins so they can buy stuff while paying a high fee ?? whats the point.. pay high fees.. instead use a debit card doesnt cost end user nothing to use a debit card and its easy.. no reason to use bitcoin that has multiples of issues that we all are aware of .. and if you are a gun owner and support the second amendment then you need to oppose the implementation of the "blockchain blacklists" code. i happen to be one of the "dwayne" brothers and i think your "blockchain blacklists" is a real cute trick. obviously there is only once choice.. cripple bitcoin with low bandwidth, slow payments with high fees ...... RIP XT or bitcoin make your choice.

about to get smacked down by the bear troll fud (i gotta get me one these cameras!) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIhCNbdIFT4

Indeed. What is the point of buying bitcoins to buy stuff? That is the question maybe you should ask yourself.

Did you consider maybe you did not have the right idea about what Bitcoin's real utility is?

Bitcoin's utility is using it to buy stuff online. And it is close to being to the point where you can drop your bank.

It is merely a currency, you switch to whatever currency is best for the situation. I live in Germany but work for the military so I have access to the military base. Everything on the military base requires dollars, everything else requires euros. I am used to going back and forth between currencies. I don't "buy dollars" and watch the value fluctuate. I convert some euros to dollars and get enough for things I might need for that week. I convert bitcoins to euros with enough currency to pay for things in the near future. My reserve currency is bitcoins because it is easier to store and travel with bitcoins than with cash and that is what I am paid in. I don't worry too much about the value fluctuation other than spending more when the price goes up a lot and holding off when the price drops.

Mind=Blown

You work for the military?

Isn't that the closest thing to living in a communist system in the west?

A miniature planned command economy?

Mind=Ultra Blown



2633. Post 12281728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Elwar on August 30, 2015, 01:06:59 PM
who will bother to open an account with coinbase to buy bitcoins so they can buy stuff while paying a high fee ?? whats the point.. pay high fees.. instead use a debit card doesnt cost end user nothing to use a debit card and its easy.. no reason to use bitcoin that has multiples of issues that we all are aware of .. and if you are a gun owner and support the second amendment then you need to oppose the implementation of the "blockchain blacklists" code. i happen to be one of the "dwayne" brothers and i think your "blockchain blacklists" is a real cute trick. obviously there is only once choice.. cripple bitcoin with low bandwidth, slow payments with high fees ...... RIP XT or bitcoin make your choice.

about to get smacked down by the bear troll fud (i gotta get me one these cameras!) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIhCNbdIFT4

Indeed. What is the point of buying bitcoins to buy stuff? That is the question maybe you should ask yourself.

Did you consider maybe you did not have the right idea about what Bitcoin's real utility is?

Bitcoin's utility is using it to buy stuff online. And it is close to being to the point where you can drop your bank.

It is merely a currency, you switch to whatever currency is best for the situation. I live in Germany but work for the military so I have access to the military base. Everything on the military base requires dollars, everything else requires euros. I am used to going back and forth between currencies. I don't "buy dollars" and watch the value fluctuate. I convert some euros to dollars and get enough for things I might need for that week. I convert bitcoins to euros with enough currency to pay for things in the near future. My reserve currency is bitcoins because it is easier to store and travel with bitcoins than with cash and that is what I am paid in. I don't worry too much about the value fluctuation other than spending more when the price goes up a lot and holding off when the price drops.

Mind=Blown

You work for the military?

Isn't that the closest thing to living in a communist system in the west?

A miniature planned command economy?

Mind=Ultra Blown

I work for the military (contractor). I'm not in the military.

It would be like working for communist government elites who need shit to actually work because they can't get stuff working within their system, you get the money and can get the benefits of their system (cheaper/free food/gas) but being able to live in the private sector enjoying the free market.

Still have to work with the incompetence of the communist system though.

I understand you quite a bit better now. I've worked up against the military myself (not in, not for, but renting out property) and I would think it would be the epitome of everything you're against. If you want to go bark-raving-mad, try negotiating with the military. It's mind bending stupidity on an epic scale.



2634. Post 12281931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 30, 2015, 01:31:39 PM

I understand you quite a bit better now. I've worked up against the military myself (not in, not for, but renting out property) and I would think it would be the epitome of everything you're against. If you want to go bark-raving-mad, try negotiating with the military. It's mind bending stupidity on an epic scale.


I've seen how the British armed forces operates up close and it's a wonder they can dress themselves, let alone fight anyone.

I used to rent military land for events. Once upon a time we arrived at our site and a bunch of Marines ran up to us in a panic and told us to stay away  as they were testing some type of secret grenade launcher in their APC.

They said they'd be gone in half an hour when the truck arrived. Three days later we were joyriding in their APC and going down the local garage to feed them. No one had booked the truck and every time they called for extraction all knowledge of them was denied.



A local farmer I met had rented out part of his land for non-lethal weapons excercises (Basically laser tag). Part of the agreement was that he should have access to the forrest at set dates in order to extract timber. When he went to extract the timber he was told that his whole forrest was riddled with undetonated explosives. Including parts he had not rented out to the military.

Now, he was compensated ten-fold, but...




2635. Post 12282750 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 30, 2015, 02:30:40 PM


Paywalled. Here's the article.



Oh yeah!




2636. Post 12283513 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: SirChiko on August 30, 2015, 04:32:07 PM
ONLY for donations? Wouldn't that mean that it will be converted into fiat and thus sold?

Yeah! This is how Satoshi will dump his coins!

.. -.. .. --- -



2637. Post 12283660 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

@cyclotronmajesty

You're still wet behind the ears and way too emotional to be day trading. Either cash out or hodl. There are plenty of tutorials and educational sites on trading that can help you get the upper hand. Do paper trading consistently and see when/if your simulated stash increases. If you hodl and sell your coins at $2500 you should be ready by then to carefully dip your toes into the shark infested waters again.

It's not free money. You have to have the upper hand.



2638. Post 12290352 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on August 31, 2015, 04:43:50 AM
9 up votes on such an idiotic comment that makes no sense.

This is internet. Trolls are new rising stars in this decade.

Bitcoin price is stuck at 225$, I think it goes down to 190-200$ again this week.
If the market indeed see bitcoin prices will stuck or down.
because the issue of Bitcoin XT is still quite influential

Don't worry, the evil XT node IP's are under UDP flood ddos attack. Should quiet those wascally wabbits down so moon launch can commence.  

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10140981

This has all been foretold...





2639. Post 12292479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on August 31, 2015, 06:18:07 PM
CoinWallet has already demonstrated their ability to perform a spam attack earlier this summer and I don't think they are bluffing about their intention of conducting another soon. I'd estimate the spam attack will start in the next week or two.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981

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UK-based mining service CoinWallet is gearing up to conduct a stress test of the Bitcoin network in early September, which it said will likely render most standard wallet software "worthless" and create "nearly a 30-day backlog".

A CoinWallet representative told IBTimes in an email exchange: "I don't have a set date, but it will be early September. I'm too busy this month to fully devote a large amount of time to executing the 'test'.

Those were not real "spam attacks" because they used fixed and relatively low fees (0.2 mBTC/kB), so the backlog was easily bypassed by clients who knew what was going on.  

A real spam atttack will try to ajust the fees dynamically so as to keep some significant fraction of the legitimate traffic perpetually out of the blockchain, even while the legitimate clients adjust their fees to try to get through.  

At least that interview gave a plausible explanation for the "stress tests":  Coinwallet.eu has a wallet that, they claim, will correctly compute the fee needed to get through the traffic jams... that they create themseves.  Hum.  

It would be diabolically nice if someone else did a REAL spam attack during their stress test, so as to really test their supersmart wallet (and other supersmart wallets out there).  Their "stress test" may even save the spam attacker some coins...

If there ever was anyone who deserved to be DDOS'd to infinity and beyond it would be the coinwallet people. I think the Bitcoin community should all go together and pay for the CEO's apartment to be surrounded by PA systems that go "PING!" 120 times a minute each in order to "stress test" his ability to not jump out of the window.



2640. Post 12292575 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: gentlemand on August 31, 2015, 06:42:01 PM

If there ever was anyone who deserved to be DDOS'd to infinity and beyond it would be the coinwallet people. I think the Bitcoin community should all go together and pay for the CEO's apartment to be surrounded by PA systems that go "PING!" 120 times a minute each in order to "stress test" his ability to not jump out of the window.


I seriously doubt it's a real company and they probably wouldn't notice if their website was gone. Dunno who or what they are but being a proper Bitcoin company isn't one of them. There is absolutely no mention of them anywhere in relation to anything other than the stress tests.

Then I suggest that the procedure is applied to ibtimes until they point us in the direction of the fucktards. Then we hire one of those wonderful bitcoin-accepting "cleaners" on the dark web that I've heard so much about.



2641. Post 12292755 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: RenegadeMan on August 31, 2015, 06:48:19 PM
It's bizzarre to me that anyone can claim that Bitcoin's PRIMARY utility is as a store of value. A store of value does not lose over 80% of it's market cap in less than 2 years.

Bitcoin needs to scale in order to survive. The people who sell bitcoin don't seem to think so. The people who buy Bitcoin absolutely do. Ever heard the saying "the customer is always right?"

I think eventually it will be seen as a store of value. Your "A store of value does not lose over 80% of it's market cap in less than 2 years" statement is taking a selective window of Bitcoin's total lifespan and highlighting its devaluation from the ATH. A similar selective view could be applied to many 'store of value' assets that went through booms and busts in their early days.

Of course it needs to scale and I don't think anyone is arguing it doesn't. You make some good points in many of your posts but I find your constant "scale or die" rhetoric to be a simplistic dumbing down of what is a relatively complex debate (you're displaying similar lines of 'intelligence' to President Bush's "You're either with us or against us" and "the axis of evil" chest beating after 911 and we all know how poorly much of that turned out).

Rather than just painting anyone that doesn't think XT has the right combination of attributes and backing as someone that's against Bitcoin moving forward, perhaps you could bring a little more clarity around the issues at hand to the discussion and dispense with such black and white judgement.

... so you felt the need to go ad hominem on him?

BJA can go off the rails now and then, but this is not one of those times. There are plenty here who doesn't want Bitcoin to scale. They want it to stay tiny and reserve the blockchain for bulk transactions or "just as a store of value"(What that value would be is kind of lost on me). What annoys ME is pussies who consistently talk about the "middle ground" as if it's the wise and reasonable choice in every situation, when really it's just a cop out for spineless people. BJA can be way off track sometimes, but at least he is prepared to plow his own track if need be.



2642. Post 12293339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: RenegadeMan on August 31, 2015, 07:31:53 PM
... so you felt the need to go ad hominem on him?


No, but I'm feeling the potential need to go ad hominem on you!

Quote from: RenegadeMan on August 31, 2015, 06:48:19 PM
You make some good points in many of your posts but I find your constant "scale or die" rhetoric to be a simplistic dumbing down of what is a relatively complex debate (you're displaying similar lines of 'intelligence' to President Bush's "You're either with us or against us" and "the axis of evil" chest beating after 911 and we all know how poorly much of that turned out).

In retrospect i am willing to admit that this was probably a much more serious slur in my eyes than in Billy Joe Banjo's, but I took offense on his behalf.

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I mostly enjoy reading your and BJA's posts but some of the ways you're expressing yourselves are not helpful.

We're not here to be helpful, we're just talking shit.

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When are people going to wake up and realise that all this infighting and characterisation of people within bitcoin as "pussies" and "spineless people" is the internal bickering that just makes serious money on the outside of crypto look in (for 5 seconds tops) and shake their heads at the immaturity and self-defeating culture.

If they take their cues from the WO-thread they're idiots, besides, BJA's original rant was a relatively level-headed and reasonable one. And he's a Louisiana ethanol producer. I would be more worried about the public discourse among the devs.

With regards to "pussies" and "spineless people". I think it's fair to call out people who doesn't contribute but decides to go on a crusade against those who care enough to have an opinion.

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Honestly, we need unity and leadership to present a unified face. This stuff you're going on with is disastrous. Who exactly doesn't want Bitcoin to scale? Who? I honestly don't know who these people are. Of course there are a multitude of discussions around new developments like sidechains and the Lightning Network which may change some aspects of how the blockchain is used and what direction it takes, but I don't see any of these people arguing for a Bitcoin that doesn't scale.

This is just more of the "you're either with us or against us" black and white rhetoric I highlighted above.

It's absolutely not helpful to the cause.

You can't disparage the ""you're either with us or against us" black and white rhetoric" at the same time as you ask for leadership. This whole case is about leadership, and how it is failing while people on the fence are waiting for some kind of consensus that will not be reached in time. Shooting with a sawed-off in WO-thread debates is healthy.

There are some not-so-healthy contributions, but the WO-thread can handle it. We have fucking lambie here! Try explaining lambie to your "serious money".

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Who exactly doesn't want Bitcoin to scale?

A bunch. I can't be bothered to re-read the thread, but if you've followed the discussion you'd seen there has been several. Do they matter? Who knows?



2643. Post 12296333 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 01, 2015, 06:06:20 AM
This ignores the whole value of having one uniquer ledger of ownership. We don't need another coin, additional layers can serve these needs equally well.

Bitcoins are not just some tokens that we trade back and forth. They are real estate on the blockchain ledger.  We will record titles with them, time stamp creative works, etc. The ledger is what gives bitcoins value. It needs to expand because someday we may record damn near ALL titles on it and use it for almost all timestamps.  

The record of almost everything that almost everybody owns will be extremely valuable and worth maintaining, even if it takes up a lot of hard drive space.  When Seward bought Alaska from the Russians, he caught a lot of heat from people who didn't see the potential. That's what bitcoins are now, raw potential.



Forking the ledger is not a bad thing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161157.0.
If there is enough demand by market forces, there can be two ledgers protected by a varying percentage of hashpower.
Exchanges will help determine the value of each fork. Unfortunately people are currently split on their demands of two orthogonal use cases of Bitcoin, one of which could lead to it being more centralized.

Just to be clear, fork or no fork. Both paths will lead to immense wealth creation enabled by Bitcoin tech.

Um, no. Only one fork will survive. The losing fork will be a dead branch, a string of orphaned blocks.

I don't know which fork will prevail, but like the Highlander, there can be only one. If the cripplecoiners get their way, most of the vast potential of Bitcoin will be strangled in the crib. We will have to use a completely different cryptocoin to utilize that potential and progress will be set back years.

Cripplecoiners don't want to be Guardians of the Galaxy. They want to be bouncers at an exclusive club,

"Highlander", "Guardians of the Galaxy". Your nerd power is strong.



2644. Post 12296576 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: RenegadeMan on September 01, 2015, 06:51:20 AM
Gavin Andresen is on the latest Epicentre Bitcoin podcast with Brian Fabian Crain & Sébastien Couture talking about The Blocksize And Bitcoin's Governance. Well worth listening to regardless of your beliefs and views on what should be done. The guy is clearly intelligent, balanced and knowledgeable. He also comments on the sheer difficulty of trying to get any changes implemented with the current impasse.

Very glad I listened to this.

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/epicenter-bitcoin-94-gavin-andresen-on-the-blocksize-and-bitcoins-governance

Thx, good link



2645. Post 12296624 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 01, 2015, 07:03:39 AM

lol people are so impressionable, with always this eager to blindly follow sum dude..

FYI, just to make things clear:

 Bitcoin doesn't need governance: Bitcoin is governance.

conclusion: nice try but fork you Gavin! Cheesy

Sure, "Be the tree" !



2646. Post 12306253 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 02, 2015, 05:34:10 AM
It seems that a major concern for BIP100 supporters is that miners with slow internet connections are disadvantaged by larger blocks. Assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, why should the rest of us subsidize these slow miners? They are mostly in China

Except that the Chinese miners were the first to declare, with signatures and stamps, that they would be OK with a block size LIMIT of 8 MB.

The support for BIP100 seems to be mostly (a) miners who like the idea of deciding things on their own, (b) nerds who like the proposal because it is a nerdish solution, and (c) Blockstream supporters who are pushing BIP100 as a "divide and conquer" strategy against Bitcoin[REDACTED].

By the way, BTC Drak, a co-founder of Viacoin and apparent friend of Blockstream, has just proposed BIP105, another dynamic block size limit adjustment proposal.

And did I mention my own BIP99―?

(I honestly and modestly think that it is the best max block size increase proposal.  I posted it in order to make sure that bitcoiners will not implement it.  Grin That would spoil the fun by ending the size war and giving us another 3-4 years of the same boring agony.  Don't tell that to the bitcoiners.)

I never thought I'd see the day.

You're still trying to cling on to the illusion that you're looking in from the outside, but your inner nerd has completely and truly capitulated!

WELCOME TO BITCOIN!!!



2647. Post 12306795 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 02, 2015, 03:39:14 AM

It seems that a major concern for BIP100 supporters is that miners with slow internet connections are disadvantaged by larger blocks. Assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, why should the rest of us subsidize these slow miners? They are mostly in China which means that if they have less of a competitive advantage then mining will likely become LESS centralized with large blocks rather than more.


This problem would only be applicable to mines located in remote areas. And it is solved by joining a pool. If you insist on solo mining you can start a private pool with a pool server somewhere where internet access is good, like a data center with fiber, and only send work to the mines. In other words: it's a BS argument.

PS: I don't know if I'm fighting straw men here.



2648. Post 12308748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Elwar on September 02, 2015, 12:01:05 PM
Hey guys how about that price...


oops, sorry...didn't mean to interrupt your block size debate

carry on

Flat



2649. Post 12313567 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 03, 2015, 01:29:07 AM
40 days and 40 nights among the subreddits. And I'm back. So anything new? Something something about a larger spoon? What are you fellas on about now?

Hey: 230. That's something...

 Smiley

What happened to you... this time?



2650. Post 12313663 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 03, 2015, 01:46:37 AM
40 days and 40 nights among the subreddits. And I'm back. So anything new? Something something about a larger spoon? What are you fellas on about now?

Hey: 230. That's something...

 Smiley

What happened to you... this time?

I done wrong, Fatman. I trolled and evaded and all sorts of ridiculous nonsense. I'm a guilty man Embarrassed


Man! You just have got a demon baby inside you!

Don't let the demon baby fly!!!



2651. Post 12315666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):


Who wants brg444-coins?








2652. Post 12315713 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: brg444 on September 03, 2015, 08:05:33 AM


Who wants brg444 coins?


 Huh

Did Fatman sell his account to Lambchop or something?

I thought this pig-headed debate needed a chimer.

When people starts arguing about what satoshi knew or said or foretold, it's really just running on fumes anyway. Most of what he said is readily available on that interweb-thingy if anyone really cares.

"What would Jesus have done?"

Jesus ain't here. Satoshi bailed.



2653. Post 12315756 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: DieJohnny on September 03, 2015, 08:14:39 AM

I agree that the fact Satoshi does not separate and account for node vs miner right now appears to be significant. Satoshi failing to account for the difference IS an error if not doing so jeopardize the whole model. So time will tell if he got this wrong.

It's not on Satoshi anymore. If it goes belly up it's our fault.



2654. Post 12316154 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: brg444 on September 03, 2015, 08:40:38 AM
do we really want Bitcoin to compete with Visa or is there another, possibly more valuable, use case for Bitcoin? What about digital gold? That sounds like an area where Bitcoin could thoroughly outcompete other players in its current state, with little to no change necessary. Why are we targeting to replace payment processors when we could somehow attract the incomparable value that resides in precious metal markets, offshore saving accounts and general safe havens? That sounds like a much more interesting moonshot if you ask me.

Gold has utility value. Even so, it has become a financial backwater. A "barbarous relic".   At least gold can be used for jewelry, dental fillings, electrical connections, etc.  It's been a poor store of value this century.

Bitcoin doesn't even have those advantages. Without the blockchain, Bitcoin is just another crypto and those are in infinite supply. How can a cryptographic token be a store of value without any utility value?  No micropayments? No remittances? no irreversable consumer payments?

The thing about Swiss bank accounts was that they were bank accounts, only secret.  There are several cryptocoins that are better at anonymity: Monero, Dash, etc.

The thing about gold is that it is not in alpha or beta, but has a five thousand year history.  After Gox, Silk Road and all the other thefts and scams, you really think Bitcoin can be seen as a safe haven?  With no utility value?? Are you fucking insane? 

 Undecided

Still don't get it do you.

Discussing gold's "utility" value is absolutely a non-starter. Such a thing was scarcely considered in its history of human adoption as a store-of-wealth.

How can you pretend Bitcoin has no utility value? Censorship resistant deflationary store of wealth is not good enough for you?

You sound like a troll bringing up Gox & Silk Road against Bitcoin. Whatever happened to the people who lost any Bitcoin from these event is entirely up to them. It was their responsibility to properly secure their wealth and by all accounts, against all principles of Bitcoin, they didn't. Too bad for them but fortunately some people are smarter.

At the risk of repeating myself, "a cryptographic token" gains value by attracting trust in its sound economic nature as digital gold. Why is it this trust can not be replicated in just any other altcoins you ask? Because: "Trust is a very organic process which takes an enormous amount of time". Bitcoin has 5 years of history for that trust to build on.



In other words:

The value of Bitcoin is its utility,
The utility of Bitcoin is its ability to store wealth.


Any alarm bells ringing?

Circular argument, anyone?




2655. Post 12316221 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: brg444 on September 03, 2015, 09:33:51 AM
In other words:

The value of Bitcoin is its utility,
The utility of Bitcoin is its ability to store wealth.


Any alarm bells ringing?

Circular argument, anyone?



Seems like you're twisting things a bit. Maybe I ought to clarify?

The value of Bitcoin is in being deflationary, censorship resistant form of money.

I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this  Huh

Not twisting, clarifying. "I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this  Huh"



2656. Post 12316294 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 03, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
Some people around here just rely on CCMFs and cheap cheering without even grasp the basics of economics.

Praying the exact antithesis of some moonlading with their small bitcoin holdings.






2657. Post 12316385 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: brg444 on September 03, 2015, 10:02:09 AM

Are you cypherdoc's brother by any chance? This sounds like some of the stupid shit he'd say to hopelessly defend his points.


It must be 4am where you are. You should get some sleep. You are starting to blub.

We don't all get the chance to rotate at the troll desk  Wink

Sounds like a rotten deal. You should renegotiate.



2658. Post 12317086 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):




2659. Post 12317156 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: findftp on September 03, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
-snip-

Oh man, thanks. You just summed up this discussion with one image.
I'm rolling on the floor LMAO.
 Grin

"A picture says more than a thousand words."

Only problem is: nerds are wordy.




2660. Post 12318535 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: findftp on September 03, 2015, 02:50:20 PM

I think you are wrong...Gavin was chosen by Satoshi and the mistake Gavin did in my opinion is that he was too kind and let github access to 4 other people, who turned against him and Adam from Blockstream even proposed revoking his commit access, which i think is pretty sneaky under the belt move...and if you want to follow this guy, go ahead, from your post history i would bet you will not like sane and kind people anyway

Satoshi does not agree with BitcoinXT.
This is what he said on the bitcoin-dev mailinglist two weeks ago(!):

Quote
I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list.  I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus.  However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork.

The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.  When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.  Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.  Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it.  By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour.

They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be.  However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.  For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project.  Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

Satoshi Nakamoto

If you follow the mailinglist further you can find some analysis it was not a spoofed email address.
But whether this was the real Satoshi or not, is doesn't matter what he thinks or wants.
Bitcoin can only have value if there is no central decision maker, and that what he also tried to explain on the mailinglist.



The consensus seems to be that this is bull, and not the real Satoshi.



2661. Post 12318775 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: findftp on September 03, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
The consensus seems to be that this is bull, and not the real Satoshi.

Where can I find more about this consensus?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1153748.0

It's been a while since I read this, but that was the impression I got.

Quote from: findftp on September 03, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
There is no reason to believe it is fake for me.
This is what Gregory Maxwell said about it, I agree:

Quote
You seem to be assuming that there is specific reason to believe the
message is unauthentic.  This is not the case.

Contrary to other poster's claims, if the message had been PGP signed
that might, in fact, have arguably been weak evidence that it was
unauthentic: no message from the system's creator that I (or
apparently anyone) was aware of was ever signed with that key.

The headers on the message check out.  The mail server in question is
also not an open relay.  At the moment the only reason I have to doubt
the authenticity of it is merely the fact that it exists after so much
air silence, but that isn't especially strong.

In the presence of doubt, it's better to take it just for its content.
And on that front it is more on-topic, civil, and productively
directed than a substantial fraction of new messages on the list.  I
certainly do not see a reason to hide it.

A focus on the content is especially relevant because one of the core
messages in the content is a request to eschew arguments from
authority; which is perhaps the greatest challenge here: How can the
founder of a system speak up to ask people to reject that kind of
argument without implicitly endorsing that approach through their own
act?


This whole tangest is a waste of time.  If you believe the message is
unauthentic or not the best response is the same as if it is
authentic. Focus on the content. If its worth responding to, do. If
it's not don't. Then move on with life.


An appeal to not follow authority while using his own authority to undermine Gavins supposed authority. Either it's a fake or Satoshi is an idiot.

Edit: With regards to the bit in Maxwells text I have put in bold: He can get engaged in the discussion again and respond to criticism. Not just drop some commandments to Moses on Mount Sinai. That is, of course, unless he wants people to follow him blindly like sheep.  



2662. Post 12320337 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: findftp on September 03, 2015, 04:38:54 PM
The consensus seems to be that this is bull, and not the real Satoshi.

Where can I find more about this consensus?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1153748.0


Thanks, but what a bunch of morons in that thread.
I only read retarded opinions which prove nothing.

Why would satoshi prove himself to be real for a bunch of idiots? I would do exactly the same if I was Satoshi, including not spending my coins... Again this system (bitcoin) is worth below zero it only functions with him.
Just like kids. You can't keep raising them after adulthood. You need to let it go.
Knowing this, there is no other benefit for him to sign a message other than satisfying his ego and become a very famous man again, a man who would be even more unable to distance himself from bitcoin again.


Don't really disagree that much with what you say, just wonder why he would break silence at all with such an unconvincing message. Especially now that we see that it hasn't united the community. Why not join the conversation? At the very least we wouldn't have to deal with the endless "that's not what Satoshi intended"-discussions.

To be honest I would prefer it if there were no legendary "Satoshi Nakamoto" and that we had a face to the name instead. All this hallelujah crap is getting in the way.



2663. Post 12325679 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Monopoly on September 04, 2015, 09:47:01 AM
attention for all trader please cancel your low sell order we will go to the moon after increasing difficult

Big joke in the history of BTC ............ Thanks for your signal ...... where is the target ? $100,000 ?

may be YES

If you told me this joke 2 years ago i could believe that but at this time it never will happen ,,,, even moving to price $500 is very hard  ......

Are you short? Leverage?



2664. Post 12329261 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 04, 2015, 04:40:08 PM
green means go, buy Buy BUY!



2665. Post 12334654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 05, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
Four chartbuddies in a row..

does this mean Bitcoin is dead?  Wink

hello no!

almost the same price for 8months!

does this mean we have a stable price now? a long time goal from the beginning. no "too daa moon" anymore? nice!

 Wink

so i should not buy because no "too daa moon" will be expected.

Get some coins, buy a low cal ecologically grown donut.

We're living in the future, baby!!!



2666. Post 12336226 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: abercrombie on September 05, 2015, 02:57:00 PM
Up $5 since yesterday!  Freedom from the banking overlords!  Shocked

Are we rich yet??  Huh




Banking overlords indeed

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21663262-why-low-income-americans-often-have-pay-more-its-expensive-be-poor



2667. Post 12336880 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: BitofaN1 on September 05, 2015, 04:43:37 PM
This must be the fakest pump i've seen yet.

Timing looks right to me.

I'd say 350 by the end of the year, and I think 1163 by the end of 2016
If/when the blocksize debate is over, last Silk Road coin auction is done, then timing will look right to me too.
At least we passed the previous high on 28th of august, by no less than a full dollar to be precise.

SR auction is not in the way of anything, nor is the block size debate. When the next wave hits it will wash away all of those concerns.



2668. Post 12337961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: S3052 on September 05, 2015, 07:15:53 PM
It was quite clear that the short term rally started. We clearly saw a triangle formation in our bitcoin forecast

lol this was a rare moment of TA is working with Bitcoin. remember all the not counted and untold (from you) cases where the dumps ruled the price and TA was not working because in this Bitcoin market too few trading with the rules of TA.

BTW it is so easy to open the mouth AFTER something did happened. the next time I will be much more impressed if you open your moth BEFORE something will happen.  Wink

EDIT: so a serious question for you expert? is this the bottom?  Smiley

thanks for the flowers :-)

Subscribers know that bullbearanalytics.com gives the right bitcoin forecast before things happen. The performance chart shows it.




Not this crap again. Where is lambie?



2669. Post 12342091 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: kromtar on September 06, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
This system and fiat money will free fall until its gone for good because of this:



That means bitcoin will:



Then a super technological society where only machines and computers make wealth will flourish.

Like it or not will happen so stop losing energy fighting against it, and stop using fiat or you will be left holding a ton of toilet paper  Grin

                                   OH YEAH!!!




2670. Post 12346717 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Tzupy on September 06, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
Last 44k BTC will be auctioned by the end of 2015:
http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-bitcoin-auction-2015/

Im calling it now:

300+ after auction!!

yeahh like last auction we reach 300$

After the last auction we dropped from about 380$ to 166$, so I'm calling 110$ as an upcoming intermediary bottom, don't know how long it will take...

Last auction was March 5th 2015. Feb 26th closed at $255, March 5th saw a low of $262 and a high of $284 on finex, March 10th saw $303.

Looks to me like the auctions just add volatility in any direction.



2671. Post 12346815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: keewee on September 06, 2015, 08:53:35 PM

Their test was 4 days ago and took about 2 days to chew through. The full blocks today looked unrelated to me.

Call it an attack if you want, but the fact is, 1MB max blocks make this form of "attack" much cheaper to execute as their old transactions get booted out of the mempool and they get the fees back to issue more transactions. Raise the limit and make them pay up.

I completely agree, I'm all for bigger blocks too. But I just find it really annoying the way they're describing these DDOS attacks as "stress tests"

I agree. I am generally kind of amazed how immature and undemocratic the community has handled this issue. The DDOS "stress tests" nobody asked for (because we know what will happen) from an unknown company, the xtnodes DDOS, fake nodes,  the censorship. Bitcoiners are a colourful bunch. In real-life I guess we would call them assholes.



2672. Post 12347647 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on September 06, 2015, 11:42:57 PM
there was no flat or lower diff since some weeks. diff jumps to higher highs even with this strong hash rate.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

And it will continue higher, even with falling prices, as hardware that does 1TH for 250w or less is rolled out against 1TH 500w gear.

Only problem now is that it would take 250 million USD of machines to double the hashrate of the network. And at current prices that's 10 months of mining for the entire network. To ROI we're looking at years.



2673. Post 12350295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 07, 2015, 07:58:29 AM


Found a new way to announce your presence?



2674. Post 12355563 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2015, 06:10:56 PM
Looks like we've set up camp in the low 240's. I'll settle for that at the moment after the turmoil & fall out with the XT rubbish.

This is a good, calm time to accumulate gentlemen. Add to your 'HODLINGS'.

IDK. Look at BTC-E for the last couple of days. It was $6-7 below the rest, now it almost matches them.

We might be getting ready for another leg up.

[Beware, whenever I've had this thought we've crashed]



2675. Post 12356021 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Dumb & Dumber : Redux
Now even bitcoinioning



Starring: brg444, hdbuck, HAL, Bender & Mel Gibson
Special Appearance by H.H.Dr.Prof. Jorge
Directed by Stephen Hawking


Coming Soon



2676. Post 12364406 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: spooderman on September 08, 2015, 04:48:45 PM
hashtagging in here? really?

Aztec can hashtag as much as he wants. This way I can understand a bit better what the fuck he is on about. Most of his posts nowadays are just undefined raging fury simmering in the deep.



2677. Post 12365622 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Is it still time to hire some strippers (of both sexes, of course) for that kumbaya session devs are having in Canada?

Nerd egos are stubborn things, might be a good idea to soften up the mood. Make 'em mellow.



2678. Post 12370561 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):


TIMBER!!!



2679. Post 12375690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Moon soon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4g591h49HE

First Tested.com, now this. My nerdish circle of interests have all mentioned Bitcoin. Time for Choo Choo!!!




2680. Post 12375694 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 09, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
Hey BJA, when did you become such a pessimist? I use to enjoy reading your posts.

When I found out the core devs were idiots.

First Aztec, now you. DESPAIR!!!

CHOO CHOO!!!!



2681. Post 12376026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 09, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
Hey BJA, when did you become such a pessimist? I use to enjoy reading your posts.

When I found out the core devs were idiots.

First Aztec, now you. DESPAIR!!!

CHOO CHOO!!!!

You know who else felt despair? investors in Worldcom, Lehman Bros, etc.

Oh yeah! Squirm my little Redneck Muse!

Mooooooon!!!!



2682. Post 12378093 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.25h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 10, 2015, 05:36:59 AM
$237.  The market is saying what it thinks about 7 tps.

Don't worry. The Devs will meet in Canada. Everyone agrees in Canada. It's the consensus capital of the world!

Well, except the French.



2683. Post 12384393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: criptix on September 10, 2015, 07:20:27 PM


i hope you die from eye cancer  Angry

Nah, he's full of shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorectal_cancer




2684. Post 12384578 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on September 10, 2015, 07:41:27 PM
BULLISH AS PHUUUUUUUKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!

I've seen the news but I don't understand what it has to do with Bitcoin?

http://www.thephuketnews.com/bull-rescued-from-phuket-reservoir-52306.php



2685. Post 12384839 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM

rAPe

You're slippin, Francois! Don't let it end like this!



2686. Post 12385475 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 10, 2015, 09:19:32 PM

But don't think like a spoiled kid. Think like Bear Grylls!


I want my videocast NOW

And I don't have a urine drinking fetish.
Shut up & drink your urine, spoiled kid!
I like you, but you are 10X cooler if you deliver instead of demanding.
EDIT: RTFM

I want a video of you communicating the entire blog through the art of interpretive dance.



2687. Post 12388213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 11, 2015, 03:24:39 AM
Not as effective without jumping ponies. But the subtle lack of suprise porn is nice. I'd say this thread is finally SFW again. FWIW Tongue




Edit: I guess I asked for it. Somehow.. Angry

newbies cant post pic anymore but that wont stop them him!

If you want SFW you might wanna put meyer lansky on ignore. He/she/it is about to turn into a beautiful butterfly.



2688. Post 12388876 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on September 11, 2015, 08:09:53 AM
Coin
Explanation


If you look at finex and stamp it looks like someone wants us to stay at $240.

Until they don't.



2689. Post 12392775 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: marcotheminer on September 11, 2015, 04:41:12 PM
Seems like we are holding around the 240 mark for the time being. It's been a nice recovery.


Basically up $80 from the flash crash on finex with no real drama. Very reassuring.



2690. Post 12393503 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on September 11, 2015, 06:10:25 PM
Coin
Explanation


Even ChartBuddy can't give a fuck anymore.



2691. Post 12393524 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Looks like the spam attack is in full effect. All recent blocks have been larger than 900kB. The latest was 999975 bytes.



2692. Post 12393749 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 11, 2015, 06:39:28 PM
Looks like the spam attack is in full effect. All recent blocks have been larger than 900kB. The latest was 999975 bytes.

That's ridiculous, this isn't a stress test it's a spam fest. What exactly are the doing it for, we all know what happens from previous stress tests.

In my opinion this is just them trying to get exposure & publicity via the bitcoin media. Pathetic really.

It's assholism at its finest. It pollutes the debate.



2693. Post 12393825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: EsBitcoin.org on September 11, 2015, 06:55:25 PM
Core still winning:
Quote
Poll
Question:   Core Vs XT
XT   - 124 (29.5%)
Core   - 209 (49.8%)
IDK   - 87 (20.7%)

This is what matters: http://xtnodes.com/

Look at the pie at the bottom right.



2694. Post 12394219 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on September 11, 2015, 07:44:24 PM
Core still winning:
Quote
Poll
Question:   Core Vs XT
XT   - 124 (29.5%)
Core   - 209 (49.8%)
IDK   - 87 (20.7%)

This is what matters: http://xtnodes.com/

Look at the pie at the bottom right.

Agree, XT is going nowhere except down until it's doomed.

It moved the debate from "Bitcoin can't/won't scale... LN, Blockstream Sidechains are the solution." to "Max blocksize will increase soon, just not so dramatically." It also showed the Core project that their control is not divinely sanctioned and inalterable.

For those two reasons I would call it successful.

I agree

However, if core devs don't agree on something substantial soon I think we may all be praising the hearncoin soon. Everyone watches the debate, if the climate changes XT might get a sudden boost. If people really wants larger block sizes and have to choose between BIP100, BIP101(XT), BIP102, BIP105 or BIP106 without agreement among core devs, I think XT has a good chance of pulling ahead.



2695. Post 12394345 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: aztecminer on September 11, 2015, 07:50:04 PM
Core still winning:
Quote
Poll
Question:   Core Vs XT
XT   - 124 (29.5%)
Core   - 209 (49.8%)
IDK   - 87 (20.7%)

This is what matters: http://xtnodes.com/

Look at the pie at the bottom right.

Agree, XT is going nowhere except down until it's doomed.


i heard next week the fed holds their meeting. will they up interest rates ?? i doubt they will. instead they will point at what happened with china to excuse themselves from the obvious fakelands ... will they announce QE4... probably not just yet.. it might be just a bit too early for them to make that move too. however, honestly, i dont really know. i think we will do more obama dancing around pretending like he is really doing something as everything continues to slowly crumble around him....rekt.

-snip-

Obama is dancing around like a ninny because americans turn around every two years and vote for fucking republicans for Congress. Republicans have had one goal for the last 8 years: make Obama look like a worse President than Bush. They don't care if they destroy the country in the process. And you lot keep voting for them.



2696. Post 12395223 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 11, 2015, 09:52:50 PM

Many consumers have exclaimed they will leave Bitcoin to go to an altcoin which suits their "needs" if they don't get their way in Bitcoin being perverted into a system to compete with Visa. What they don't realize is the consequences they will face if they choose this option.




full article: http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/

And what are the consequences?



2697. Post 12397273 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 11, 2015, 10:45:56 PM

Many consumers have exclaimed they will leave Bitcoin to go to an altcoin which suits their "needs" if they don't get their way in Bitcoin being perverted into a system to compete with Visa. What they don't realize is the consequences they will face if they choose this option.




full article: http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/

And what are the consequences?




read much?



…before the end of 2015 there's about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average.

The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the "ordinary person".



derp

Did he actually just predict altcoins? Shocked Roll Eyes

Apparently. It was either very poorly written or very brilliantly written. I read the whole article and I couldn't wrap my head around it.

@Andre# agreed



2698. Post 12397663 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 12, 2015, 04:09:11 AM
Any substantive discussion on scaling will have to wait until the Hong Kong portion of the show. https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/642397611178217472

Looks like there's not gonna be any resolution this weekend. Another good reason to support XT.



2699. Post 12398882 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: nioc on September 12, 2015, 10:29:46 AM
Any substantive discussion on scaling will have to wait until the Hong Kong portion of the show. https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/642397611178217472

Looks like there's not gonna be any resolution this weekend. Another good reason to support XT.

We already knew there would not be a resolution this weekend, only the possibility of a resolution at the next conference in Dec(?)

But have no doubt there will be lots from this conference to speculate about regarding the various possibilities of resolution.

I can hardly wait Grin  CoolGrin

I just want this debate to end. It's dumbing people down. It makes my brain go numb.



2700. Post 12401718 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on September 12, 2015, 05:59:37 PM
The avalanche of troll bears makes me uncomfortable being a real bear, wtf is happening? Angry

Seems like this is Chopsy's reply to not being allowed to post (porn) pics any more from new accounts ... spam the forum with dumb new threads. Very sad ...

Easy solution ... new members can neither post images nor start topics  Wink
Please implement this as soon as possible  Smiley

It took him long enough. Weird that he didn't realize earlier that this is the official "Lambie Zoo". Mods let him play around here so he'll keep away from the rest of the forum.



2701. Post 12402778 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: macsga on September 12, 2015, 08:10:05 PM

PS: I like your trolling. I like to do it myself sometimes Tongue



macsga is lambie

BURN THE TROLL!!!



2702. Post 12402851 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: dandropolos on September 12, 2015, 08:24:26 PM
...
IMHO, your example fails to represent a meaningful and robust argument.

I found it rather cromulent Undecided

Quote
Bitcoins are not getting old, nor they fall after not taking after them after 60y. ...

~10% of BTC market cap is spent yearly to maintain Bitcoin (mining).  Talk about high maintenance Cheesy



MAN!!! You out-fact-troll stolfi in a single sentence!!! You embiggen us all!!!



2703. Post 12402954 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 12, 2015, 08:40:06 PM


Sounds like we have pretty much followed the same strategy. I am slightly in green now, I guess you are slightly in red at the moment. But that doesn't matter. I would rather have 10 BTC in the red, than 1 in the green.

We have seen the future
And we have bought a piece of it
This is gentlemen!
(Ehrm... Not right now, but later)



SOONTM



2704. Post 12402978 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: becoin on September 12, 2015, 08:45:29 PM
Great fun to see Peter Todd make a fool out of himself during the scaling conference today.
Don't make a fool out of yourself!
Peter is a brilliant mind.
Doesn't mean he can't have a bad set.



2705. Post 12403186 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Monopoly on September 12, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
IF we will reach to %75 XT nodes the fork will occur ...... Is there any solution for avoid the fork ? or Bitcoin project will fail ?

We'll all switch to monopoly money. You'll be rich!!!



2706. Post 12403369 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 12, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Don't worry, here comes incredible BTCitcoin-Man






A thug?

That even looks like a police sketch.



2707. Post 12405835 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: fonsie on September 13, 2015, 07:04:00 AM
"Hoarders" is just a disparaging term for savers. Any economy needs savings for capital formation.

"Saver" i a very general term.  In the context of this discussion a "hoarder" is one who saves by colelcting a currency. Not meant to be disparaging -- although that is usually not a wise way to save.

You have been with us since 2013, nobody calls you up for interviews, nobody really cares what you have to say...so just admit that your attempt for some fame has failed yet again.

Let us be! WE NEED NO STINKING COMPUTER SCIENTIST HERE!!!!!!!!

Yeah! Who needs science when we have divine invisible magic coins!?!!?!!



2708. Post 12406334 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):




2709. Post 12406782 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: RenegadeMan on September 13, 2015, 09:12:44 AM


Why so much agro and upset about Jorge's posts? He's not threatening you (or perhaps he is somehow?). He has a view and he expresses and articulates that view pretty well. I don't agree with much of what he says either but I appreciate that his posts are coherent, quite well written and free from personal attacks or vitriol. In fact, he's very gracious in his responses to many of you that get all so incensed that he's expressing the views that he is; and this is indicative that some of what he's saying has seriously hooked your innards and is tearing at you in some manner. That you're responding in such an affronted way says to me you're not 100% sure and his line of thought on this stuff causes internal conflict.

If you don't agree with his take on Bitcoin (and crypto in general), just point out calmly and unemotionally where his logic, assumptions or beliefs are flawed. I think it's very good to have someone like him putting the ideas up he does as it makes for interesting consideration of his views versus alternatives.

Isn't this what a thread like this is about?

Your gracious friend has been trolling this forum for years now. I agree that there is no need to get all fired up about it, but to "point out calmly and unemotionally where his logic, assumptions or beliefs are flawed" is even more of a waste.



2710. Post 12406802 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: meyer lansky on September 13, 2015, 09:24:02 AM
Not as effective without jumping ponies. But the subtle lack of suprise porn is nice. I'd say this thread is finally SFW again. FWIW Tongue




Edit: I guess I asked for it. Somehow.. Angry

newbies cant post pic anymore but that wont stop them him!

If you want SFW you might wanna put meyer lansky on ignore. He/she/it is about to turn into a beautiful butterfly.

Yeah; my thoughts exactly. Still; I find his personality amusing, so I'll just let him be for the time being...  Grin
what are you and fatman insinuating? Undecided

It was 9/11. We were jumpy.



2711. Post 12407184 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: meyer lansky on September 13, 2015, 10:38:40 AM
@ renegademan,truly you are worth to be a senior member from your utterance.we do not have to be volatile.how can some1 like fatman3001 be referring to me as ''it''?.i never knew some form of racism exists in the bitcoin world! Huh Huh Huh

I have been called a speciesist by Peter Singer fans.



2712. Post 12407304 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 10:57:03 AM

I think that my various responses had the right tone.   I have been reading his posts for at least a year and a half. 

 There is NO personal attack contained within my responses... a little colorful language and to suggest that someone is simplifying and misleading is NOT a personal attack, it is an attack on his generally disingenuous presentation and he should know better regarding a variety of his points, that he is full of shit... and that is NOT a personal attack..   Tongue Tongue Tongue


Or complexifying and misleading, in any event, he's doing it for the lulz.



2713. Post 12410391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):



Okey people!

I'm losing money here so you'd better start pushing that price up!

Pleeeeeeease!




2714. Post 12410992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: PoolMinor on September 13, 2015, 06:33:47 PM
You are losing money everyday if you are holding fiat. Price of bitcoin remains constant ( 1BTC = 1BTC) only its relation to the inflationary fiat changes.

Not just in relation to 'inflationary fiat' but also in relation to goods & services. There's more inflation in Bitcoin right now.

The price dropped by $10 since the beginning of this conference.


There we are again with the price.
It my understanding that the "price" that we established currently is far undervalued if more of the public understood what the blockchain represents. The BTC reward is used to secure the chain of transactions; what are in those transactions is by far the most under utilized feature of this "payment system."

Edit:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoins_have_no_intrinsic_value_.28unlike_some_other_things.29

Thanks keewee.

You're welcome to hum for yourself about how "the price in fiat doesn't matter" whenever it drops, but you can't expect the rest of us to join in on the tune.

My magic internet tokens have ball ache.



2715. Post 12411094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: PoolMinor on September 13, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
You are losing money everyday if you are holding fiat. Price of bitcoin remains constant ( 1BTC = 1BTC) only its relation to the inflationary fiat changes.

Not just in relation to 'inflationary fiat' but also in relation to goods & services. There's more inflation in Bitcoin right now.

The price dropped by $10 since the beginning of this conference.


There we are again with the price.
It my understanding that the "price" that we established currently is far undervalued if more of the public understood what the blockchain represents. The BTC reward is used to secure the chain of transactions; what are in those transactions is by far the most under utilized feature of this "payment system."

Edit:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoins_have_no_intrinsic_value_.28unlike_some_other_things.29

Thanks keewee.

You're welcome to hum for yourself about how "the price in fiat doesn't matter" whenever it drops, but you can't expect the rest of us to join in on the tune.

My magic internet tokens have ball ache.


My eventual point, if it isn't clear, is that the price is low. If you want to cost average a lower price then buy more. But if you already understand the current price does not reflect the future price, then you have lost nothing. (unless you sell BTC for fiat the, value has not changed)

I'm sorry for lashing out, let me just put it this way:   I WANT THE FUTURE TODAY!!! I WANNA BUY A BOAT!!!!




2716. Post 12411155 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
I'm sorry for lashing out, let me just put it this way:   I WANT THE FUTURE TODAY!!! I WANNA BUY A BOAT!!!!

- puny pansie boat -

I'm buying this one Wink


Fork this, Gavin!



2717. Post 12411261 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: PoolMinor on September 13, 2015, 07:35:57 PM


My eventual point, if it isn't clear, is that the price is low. If you want to cost average a lower price then buy more. But if you already understand the current price does not reflect the future price, then you have lost nothing. (unless you sell BTC for fiat the, value has not changed)

I'm sorry for lashing out, let me just put it this way:   I WANT THE FUTURE TODAY!!! I WANNA BUY A BOAT!!!!



I am aware that this discussion is clearly off-topic now, sorry readers.

---

I was until very recently very attached to the price and the loss of opportunity in selling the last of my portfolio in December 2013. And yes, I have felt the loss of ~90% of my portfolio value since then. But then I discovered the true use of this commodity, until we break the cycle of using the $, €, Ĩ, or Ģ as a measurement of success we will continue to not look past the brilliance and the reason for the supply to be limited and the transaction fees to be the most important aspect of the design. The BTC can be used over and over again from your wallet address to another of your wallet addresses, your cost of transfer is what allows for information to be stored in the blockchain (this is why you paid for BTC to make data plots on the blockchain).

I'm married. My measure of success is in fiat. Lots of it.



2718. Post 12411391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 07:49:29 PM


My eventual point, if it isn't clear, is that the price is low. If you want to cost average a lower price then buy more. But if you already understand the current price does not reflect the future price, then you have lost nothing. (unless you sell BTC for fiat the, value has not changed)

I'm sorry for lashing out, let me just put it this way:   I WANT THE FUTURE TODAY!!! I WANNA BUY A BOAT!!!!



I am aware that this discussion is clearly off-topic now, sorry readers.

---

I was until very recently very attached to the price and the loss of opportunity in selling the last of my portfolio in December 2013. And yes, I have felt the loss of ~90% of my portfolio value since then. But then I discovered the true use of this commodity, until we break the cycle of using the $, €, Ĩ, or Ģ as a measurement of success we will continue to not look past the brilliance and the reason for the supply to be limited and the transaction fees to be the most important aspect of the design. The BTC can be used over and over again from your wallet address to another of your wallet addresses, your cost of transfer is what allows for information to be stored in the blockchain (this is why you paid for BTC to make data plots on the blockchain).

I'm married. My measure of success is in fiat. Lots of it.


Like this?

Well, a couple of those "because we don't want to waste money on expensive cars".





Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 07:46:10 PM
Fork this, Gavin!

Shit, you must be hodling moar coinz than me!  Undecided

Doubt it, but Adam said 32k.



2719. Post 12411481 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 08:02:03 PM

Well, a couple of those "because we don't want to waste money on expensive cars".

- pic of stupid prick -

Keep 'em in a brain wallet, not in a will. Then you are the man in the house!
If it's ok with her  Wink

Oh I'm the man in the house. It just doesn't mean shit anymore.



2720. Post 12411514 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: nonfatTony on September 13, 2015, 08:08:26 PM
Fantasizing about *buying* a huge speedboat as BTC continues to tank.  Like making wedding plans on the tilting promenade deck of the Titanic.
Deliciously, perversely grotesque Smiley
*Fatman, you really don't want a forty(+?)ft (pleasure) speedboat, not even if you live on the water somewhere in BVI & shit gold nuggets.

Don't worry TwatTony I know a guy who knows a guy who really likes to polish boats.



2721. Post 12411579 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 08:09:16 PM

I think that my various responses had the right tone.   I have been reading his posts for at least a year and a half. 

 There is NO personal attack contained within my responses... a little colorful language and to suggest that someone is simplifying and misleading is NOT a personal attack, it is an attack on his generally disingenuous presentation and he should know better regarding a variety of his points, that he is full of shit... and that is NOT a personal attack..   Tongue Tongue Tongue


Or complexifying and misleading, in any event, he's doing it for the lulz.

Fatman3001 - I believe that we largely agree. 

From time to time over the past 18 months, I have engaged with Stofli, and sometimes he will stand up fairly vigorously to his various trolling arguments, and then other times, he seems to engage in a passive aggressive bitchism by NOT responding, especially to materially relevant points.  Accordingly, sometimes, his oversimplification is to leave out material and relevant facts.  At other times, he (Stofli) brings in a bunch of irrelevant arguments and facts to make something more complex with his discussion of the various irrelevancies and asserting tat those various irrelevancies are super important. 

So yes, I agree, sometimes we also see complexifying tactics, too, from Stofli.

In either event, his posts seem to be designed in part to incite strong responses from other members because as an alleged professor, he should know a lot better than to engage in such fantasy, disinformation tactics, which causes me to suspect that he is likely financially profiting, in a variety of ways from the amount of time that he is spending on this forum and in other related bitcoin discussions.

It wasn't meant as a correction. I'm sorry if it came out that way.

Professors can be assholes too, believe me. He knows what he's doing.

I've read your posts from before you drank the juice of brevity so If you want to have a go at stolfi you're more than welcome. I know you can handle it.



2722. Post 12411618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: nonfatTony on September 13, 2015, 08:18:59 PM
Fantasizing about *buying* a huge speedboat as BTC continues to tank.  Like making wedding plans on the tilting promenade deck of the Titanic.
Deliciously, perversely grotesque Smiley
*Fatman, you really don't want a forty(+?)ft (pleasure) speedboat, not even if you live on the water somewhere in BVI & shit gold nuggets.

Don't worry TwatTony I know a guy who knows a guy who really likes to polish boats.

Happiest days in a boat owner's life: The day he buys his boat & the day he sells it.  True fact, x100 for offshore speedboat.

My much much better half is a safety valve on that one. But I might rent one for a week(-end[dayŦcouple of hoursŧ]).



2723. Post 12411811 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 08:40:09 PM
Bitcoin was created to be exactly what it is and to be used in whatever way one sees fit. Why are people still engaging that argument, and those people, as if it and they had any merit?

Because a tool that was carefully designed for one purpose is usually inadequate for other purposes, even if it happen to be the best tool available for them.

Bitcoin was designed from top to bottom with the assumption that it would be used as a currency that did not require trusted third parties.  For example, that is why it has blocks every 10 minutes (it should have been much less, but technical constraints prevented it). 

Satoshi did not expect mining to be industrialized and concentrated in half a dozen companies; not at this stage of adoption at least.  Had he known that the price today would be 230 USD/BTC, he might have scheduled the block reward to be 0.001 BTC/block today, so the mining industry would earn 0.144 BTC per day --  not enough for 1 guy doing GPU mining.  But that low reward might have made bitcoin more attractive to speculators... Frankly, I don't see how the mining centralization problem could have been avoided without demurrage...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306

Sorry to spoil your fun there Professor.



2724. Post 12412025 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 09:13:17 PM
Bitcoin was created to be exactly what it is and to be used in whatever way one sees fit. Why are people still engaging that argument, and those people, as if it and they had any merit?

Because a tool that was carefully designed for one purpose is usually inadequate for other purposes, even if it happen to be the best tool available for them.

Bitcoin was designed from top to bottom with the assumption that it would be used as a currency that did not require trusted third parties.  For example, that is why it has blocks every 10 minutes (it should have been much less, but technical constraints prevented it).  

Satoshi did not expect mining to be industrialized and concentrated in half a dozen companies; not at this stage of adoption at least.  Had he known that the price today would be 230 USD/BTC, he might have scheduled the block reward to be 0.001 BTC/block today, so the mining industry would earn 0.144 BTC per day --  not enough for 1 guy doing GPU mining.  But that low reward might have made bitcoin more attractive to speculators... Frankly, I don't see how the mining centralization problem could have been avoided without demurrage...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306

Sorry to spoil your fun there Professor.

I know that quote, but it does not deny what I wrote.  He knew that the protocol would not work if a majority of the mining power were to collude.  If he ever became convinced that mining would become concentrated as much as it is now, he would have given up on bitcoin and ... wait ...   Grin

Here is what he wrote a few months earlier:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12.msg54#msg54


So him saying that he likes that CPU mining is possible in 2009 somehow negates the fact that he's perfectly comfortable with future mining farms in 2010?

Where's lambie? I want someone with brains to troll me.



2725. Post 12412135 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Stolfi-economics is a sorry mess



2726. Post 12412238 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 09:45:48 PM

I think that my various responses had the right tone.   I have been reading his posts for at least a year and a half. 

 There is NO personal attack contained within my responses... a little colorful language and to suggest that someone is simplifying and misleading is NOT a personal attack, it is an attack on his generally disingenuous presentation and he should know better regarding a variety of his points, that he is full of shit... and that is NOT a personal attack..   Tongue Tongue Tongue


Or complexifying and misleading, in any event, he's doing it for the lulz.

Fatman3001 - I believe that we largely agree. 

From time to time over the past 18 months, I have engaged with Stofli, and sometimes he will stand up fairly vigorously to his various trolling arguments, and then other times, he seems to engage in a passive aggressive bitchism by NOT responding, especially to materially relevant points.  Accordingly, sometimes, his oversimplification is to leave out material and relevant facts.  At other times, he (Stofli) brings in a bunch of irrelevant arguments and facts to make something more complex with his discussion of the various irrelevancies and asserting tat those various irrelevancies are super important. 

So yes, I agree, sometimes we also see complexifying tactics, too, from Stofli.

In either event, his posts seem to be designed in part to incite strong responses from other members because as an alleged professor, he should know a lot better than to engage in such fantasy, disinformation tactics, which causes me to suspect that he is likely financially profiting, in a variety of ways from the amount of time that he is spending on this forum and in other related bitcoin discussions.

It wasn't meant as a correction. I'm sorry if it came out that way.

Professors can be assholes too, believe me. He knows what he's doing.

I've read your posts from before you drank the juice of brevity so If you want to have a go at stolfi you're more than welcome. I know you can handle it.


Hahahahahaha... I have my moments of brevity and lack thereof...  Wink



One problematic nature of this supposed "professor status" is that such proclamation is misleading in itself, and serves as an appeal to authority.  Therefore, to some extent whether Stolfi is a professor or NOT, it is an unnecessary title - because his arguments should stand in an of themselves, rather than striving to bring credibility to his on line persona through a supposed position of professorship.




It does come up pretty quickly no matter how you play it. Such a title will have an effect on some. Some people tend to seek to authority for guidance and some cultures tend to have great respect for title systems. But if you look at what he's writing it's all a big joke on the world. And please note, he's not a professor of economics. But I'm sure he could get my old OKI Microline 280 up and running again. I hope for his own sake that his colleagues are in on the joke, if not he'll look like a royal twerp when they read all the drivel he's been writing in here.



2727. Post 12412355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 10:16:14 PM
Good hunt today. 4 kills.
Please help and report Lambie to the moderator as soon as you can. Make it a habbit and a hobby  Wink
(Unless you like naked gay porn pics, or ascii art of it. Yes, Fatman! You are just too easy to entertain, ha ha ha!)

EDIT: Make that five.

He's defanged. Now he's no worse than the regulars.



2728. Post 12412388 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: RokyR0C0C0 on September 13, 2015, 10:25:20 PM



See what I mean?  Go ahead, get yourself a store-bought forryfoota that looks like a 90s kitchen appliance.  You deserve it Cheesy

Funny, the gif shows up in my posts, but not in yours. Why is that?



2729. Post 12412458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: vreyx on September 13, 2015, 10:40:55 PM

- Obama Rules!!!! (no really, he does) -

See what I mean?  Go ahead, get yourself a store-bought forryfoota that looks like a 90s kitchen appliance.  You deserve it Cheesy

Funny, the gif shows up in my posts, but not in yours. Why is that?

Well, like Mr. President Obama always says, "First they ban you, then they cry like bitches and run to authorities, then they disable gifs, and then you win!"
Wise words Smiley

So you've been running the worlds most annoying stress test of a rather shoddy Bitcoin forum? You must be proud. Can you get rid of stolfi now?

Edit:
Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 10:46:05 PM
And it is also something that I am expected to advise the public about, like electronic voting and other computers-and-society issues.

Nevermind, Brazil is in deep enough shit as it is. Best to keep him occupied here.



2730. Post 12417339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Mayer Amschel on September 14, 2015, 12:30:01 PM
So you guys see this crashing again?  Shocked


Don't know what you're talking about.

I'm looking for moon gifs.



2731. Post 12417653 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 14, 2015, 01:10:14 PM
Going to Hit 210$ this time..Just Hold on and watch the ditches...
I think it will be a good time to buy a 10x Bitcoins.

Not sure if we'll hit 210 but I fully agree that now is a great time to start buying more whilst the price is so low. Technically if you were to buy 10 now at these prices you should double your money as a result of the halving next year.

Buy & HODL people.
Technically that's a gross oversimplification of the math and processes involved. It will tighten supply, which could send the price up tenfold. Unless it disrupts the mining industry in such a way that it sends BTC plummeting.



2732. Post 12417873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: gentlemand on September 14, 2015, 01:26:46 PM

Technically that's a gross oversimplification of the math and processes involved. It will tighten supply, which could send the price up tenfold. Unless it disrupts the mining industry in such a way that it sends BTC plummeting.


A tightened supply is only a factor if there's increasing demand. Right now there are more than enough existing coins for everyone and mined coins are only a fraction of daily volume. Maybe there'll be a psychosomatic boost but I hope people aren't pinning too much on it.

They are. At least some.

But if we can't get more adoption it won't matter much. And that's hard to do when everyone seems to agree that Bitcoin is broken or should be permanently crippled.



2733. Post 12417928 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Elwar on September 14, 2015, 01:38:54 PM

Technically that's a gross oversimplification of the math and processes involved. It will tighten supply, which could send the price up tenfold. Unless it disrupts the mining industry in such a way that it sends BTC plummeting.


A tightened supply is only a factor if there's increasing demand. Right now there are more than enough existing coins for everyone and mined coins are only a fraction of daily volume. Maybe there'll be a psychosomatic boost but I hope people aren't pinning too much on it.

Even just keeping current demand will ensure a rise in price when there is a smaller supply.

But the potential variance in demand is much larger than the assured decrease in supply. And that assured decrease is only to the network itself. We don't know how much miners are selling now and how much they will sell after the halving.



2734. Post 12420682 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

dootitoodeloo,dootitoodeloo,dootitoodeloo,dootitoodeloo, BABABAABIIBAABIIBABABAAAA!!!!



2735. Post 12420757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Elwar on September 14, 2015, 05:16:29 PM


Here is a Bitcoin velocity calculator to play with:
http://worldbitcoinnetwork.com/BitcoinPriceModel-Alpha.html



Funny. If you slide "Volatility Fears" up to 30%, which sounds fair, you get $245.



2736. Post 12421121 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):


Come on price!

MOVE IT!!!




2737. Post 12427486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):


I see the finex-wall is back.

I hope we get a pump before the dump.




2738. Post 12431030 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on September 15, 2015, 07:27:35 PM
Amazing, $230 to $240 to $230 to $240. I don't think my heart can handle this much action. lol

I know. My heart goes boom.

Quote from: Tzupy on September 15, 2015, 03:24:51 PM
I hope we get a little dump before a little pump, and then a larger dump... Grin

Crap! Down we go!



2739. Post 12437030 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

@BMB that pretty much sums it up



2740. Post 12438636 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: dragonseer on September 16, 2015, 02:09:05 PM

And what have you tried to do?

As i see it you dont do anything but expect others to do it for you with this metod...


What do you mean what have I done?

I'm just a regular guy, I've invested what I can afford to over the last 18 months or so into a speculative investment (bitcoin).

Whenever I've had spare fiat I've bought. I HODL a semi decent stash in cold storage in the hope that one day bitcoin booms & I make a better life for myself. Maybe it'll work, maybe I'll have pissed my money down the drain but I'm trying.

Why what have you done?

I am not talking about what you have done all your life. I quoted something and asked a question about a statement you had. Dont care what else you have done...



You said: "And what have you tried to do?" and then, without waiting for an answer, leapt straight to: "As i see it you dont do anything but expect others to do it for you with this metod..."

Given that, LFC_Bitcoin's reply seems entirely reasonable. Polite and restrained, even. LFC answered your question, and then asked the same question of you.

Did you read what i quoted?

As i understand he meant that putting his coins in cold storage and wait for others to make them valuable was some sort of contribution. It is not only him but many around here that think this way. If everyone did the same with their coins the whole bitcoin experience would be forgotten in a month...

Eveyone can do whatever they want with their coins buit dont tell anyone that you are trying to help out if you only try to help yourself.

I don't think you're being fair. Yes you are doing something by putting a little money into Bitcoin here and there. You are supporting Bitcoin because you want a better monetary system that isn't based on debt, and isn't confined by borders.  When times are lean then it makes sense to stash something valuable away, until it becomes worth more. When the value appreciates again, Bitcoin holders can use their increased purchasing power to support businesses that embrace crypto, rather than cash out. That's what 'many around here' are waiting to do I'm sure.

After seeing your contribution to the devianttwo-thread I am tempted to leave Bitcoin altogether.

Edit: I see it's removed. As I remember it was an unfortunate picture of a child and a poem about how adversity makes you stronger.



2741. Post 12441947 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):


What happened to the dump?





Oh noz! How sad.






2742. Post 12445101 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: edgar on September 17, 2015, 07:33:49 AM

we all need a holiday from time to time! a nice beach with crystal clear waters or a lake in the mountains...

speaking of which, took my dad & daughter to the beach for a bit of a paddle, ended up surrounded by 'lots' of different fish(es) we all giggled like it was magic - it kinda was.

bought 12 more coins when we got home, and ate calimari.

Nice to see someone expressing their common humanity and decency. Little moments with dear loved ones like you just described are all important for remembering the really important things in life. Thanks for sharing.

[I hate my life]

trolololol!!

my average buy-in is 8GBP but thanks for your 'concern'.



I must admit I was charmed by your post as well.



2743. Post 12448547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):



CCMF?



2744. Post 12450506 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: SmoothCurves on September 17, 2015, 06:59:36 PM
Everyone yells doom for the past so many years, and it just doesn't happen.

I am convinced the dollar collapse, market crash, and all the other doom bullshit is not gonna happen anytime in the near future.

They are gonna milk this bubble as long as they can.

The crashes happen on or very near election years. See: 1987, 2000, 2008, 2016 (probably)

It will be between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. What could go wrong?



2745. Post 12454761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Elwar on September 18, 2015, 07:34:23 AM
cui bono? Who benefits from small blocks?  Some one or group of people is stalling the scaling upgrade for reasons other than decentralization, security, etc.  From the videos of the conference, i get the idea that some is pulling strings behind the scenes to manipulate the hold outs. The technical objections seem contrived, like the arguments of a mob lawyer.

Why do the haterz hate so much? Luddites? I don't think so.  I think it's something more cynical than that. I don't think the power behind the small blockers is ideological or technical. It's political.The big blockers didn't seem to grasp that we're up against someone or group that plays dirty.  So who is it? Not the pawns on the chessboard, but the power that's moving the pieces. Who is it? Cui bono?

and that MC was painfully terrible.

It was revealed that the Bitcoin X[T] thing was just a ploy to implement Mike Hearn's blacklisting code. I used to support it until I saw that.

Show me how. In what way?



2746. Post 12455496 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Elwar on September 18, 2015, 09:07:03 AM
cui bono? Who benefits from small blocks?  Some one or group of people is stalling the scaling upgrade for reasons other than decentralization, security, etc.  From the videos of the conference, i get the idea that some is pulling strings behind the scenes to manipulate the hold outs. The technical objections seem contrived, like the arguments of a mob lawyer.

Why do the haterz hate so much? Luddites? I don't think so.  I think it's something more cynical than that. I don't think the power behind the small blockers is ideological or technical. It's political.The big blockers didn't seem to grasp that we're up against someone or group that plays dirty.  So who is it? Not the pawns on the chessboard, but the power that's moving the pieces. Who is it? Cui bono?

and that MC was painfully terrible.

It was revealed that the Bitcoin X[T] thing was just a ploy to implement Mike Hearn's blacklisting code. I used to support it until I saw that.

Show me how. In what way?


From the commit here:
https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23

The Bitcoin client which is supposed to be peer to peer, anonymous, decentralized, calls this line (open a connection to a centralized URL which can be manipulated):
Quote
+data = urllib2.urlopen("https://check.torproject.org/exit-addresses").read()

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html

Quote
Bitcoin XT contains an unmentioned addition which periodically downloads
lists of Tor IP addresses for blacklisting, this has considerable privacy
implications for hapless users which are being prompted to use the
software. The feature is not clearly described, is enabled by default,
and has a switch name which intentionally downplays what it is doing
(disableipprio). Furthermore these claimed anti-DoS measures are
trivially bypassed and so offer absolutely no protection whatsoever.

Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or
onlynet=tor, which leaks connections on the P2P network with the real
location of the node. Knowledge of this traffic along with uptime metrics
from bitnodes.io can allow observers to easily correlate the location and
identity of persons running Bitcoin nodes. Denial of service can also be
used to crash and force a restart of an interesting node, which will
cause them to make a new request to the blacklist endpoint via the
clearnet on relaunch at the same time their P2P connections are made
through a proxy. Requests to the blacklisting URL also use a custom
Bitcoin XT user agent which makes users distinct from other internet
traffic if you have access to the endpoints logs.

I thought the blacklisted ip-addresses simply got a lower connection priority which would only be relevant in case of a system wide dos attack. I understand there might be some weaknesses to this approach but I get the feeling a lot of this is blown out of proportion.




2747. Post 12457447 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 18, 2015, 02:14:21 PM
Bitcoin expert on Bloomberg:  Increasing the block size limit will increase the supply of bitcoins and cause the price to fall, by the law of supply and demand.  

Oh, and in matters of bitcoin should trust only the opinion of people with Ph. D.  

Well, I can agree with that part.  Grin

Jeebus! You should invite him to the wo-thread. One expert to another.

Edit: I finally saw the clip. I should have known that you would misrepresent the content. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 476 239 times, shame on me. (That's right Bush! That's how it goes! Roughly.)



2748. Post 12460589 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: lemmyK on September 18, 2015, 08:17:02 PM
Maybe I'm late for the party. But have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpw7b-zsnKw
Who is this guy??

hamasJonasGahrStøre       Grin Cheesy


It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Jonas Gahr Støre!



2749. Post 12463705 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on September 19, 2015, 05:26:48 AM
Just summoning the honey badger at this point. Save the pics, we need and want the real thing at this point. Seems like the badger does care at this barfable time, so he/she stays out of sight during these times. Time to go down and then an epic upward trajectory in a fashion never before seen. Get your bull on and buy like a frenzy situation later next week. If you're a single parent, just keep the gub checks to stay above water as you're not ready for the rise when your stake is poop... That's right I said it! Let the chumps fart and the responsible shall survive and thrive w/ their excess money at this  majik moment,while making untold fortunes as time goes forward and the volatility roars.


Que? What? I don't get it.



2750. Post 12467314 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: tarmi on September 19, 2015, 05:07:38 PM
[ incoherent bear sounds ]

TARMI!!!!!!





2751. Post 12467371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on September 19, 2015, 05:54:02 PM
It's what I like to refer to as a night capper rant and it made a lot of sense at the time. Grin

Sounds familiar.



2752. Post 12468760 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 19, 2015, 09:56:01 PM
It looks like this forum is dead. Reddit is also dead. Where did everyone go?

To a place where you gormless Gavinistas are not welcome and cannot follow us...   Cool



2753. Post 12468796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: cbeast on September 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
It looks like this forum is dead. Reddit is also dead. Where did everyone go?

To a place where you gormless Gavinistas are not welcome and cannot follow us...   Cool
It's just that I remember there used to be lots of actual new ideas presented on bitcointalk and now it's mostly idle speculation.

I think people are a bit exhausted by the intensity and stupidity of some of the core/xt arguments in here of late.



2754. Post 12468877 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on September 19, 2015, 10:21:27 PM
It's what I like to refer to as a night capper rant and it made a lot of sense at the time. Grin

Sounds familiar.
Yeah, it's tough coming back from a pinched nerve and a herniated disc 9 months ago while still having a rough time walking. Gotta enjoy yourself at times if ya know what I mean.
Yeez, that stuff hurts like a mofo! We have a history of back problems in my family, and we don't cope well with pain. The mood can turn sour real quick when we're all gathered.



2755. Post 12470954 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on September 20, 2015, 06:14:35 AM
Quote
Toomim Bros also thinks that 1 MB is way too small, and that the network can and should support larger blocks. We think that one goal for Bitcoin should be minimizing the real cost per transaction. Currently, that cost is supported primarily by the block subsidy, and runs at about 65 kWh per transaction. (300 MW mining network, 1.27 transactions per second.) That's about $4 per transaction. Increasing the transaction volume would not directly require any significant increase in the mining network power consumption, so it would reduce the real cost per transaction.

Any miner will tell you that electricity costs far more than bandwidth.  It's a complete fucking waste to throttle the network when it's so unnecessary.

Face it, Gavin fucked up! He should have stayed in as benevolent dictator. Wladimir isn't a leader, he is a follower. Now he's trying to follow the crowd. And the crowd are looking for leadership. The ship is adrift. And wherever the wind blows that ship there are thousands of conspiracy theorists (ie. bitcoiners) screaming about how it's a government takeover. Wladimir needs to grow a pair or get out of the way.



2756. Post 12471325 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Searing on September 20, 2015, 08:04:15 AM

my problem with all this is the egos of the devs....my way or the highway ..so now we have numerous proposals etc all with backers...etc
so will they cooperate or not ..i mean techie types are cooperative on projects right ..it does not have always go 'their way' right?

I mean what could go wrong a bunch of early adopters of bitcoin in 2009 fighting over code that millions of dollars and the crypto universe
staying open source or not riding on this ..er what could go wrong right? (still think put them in a room and the one that can 'slap fight' the best wins)Smiley



IDK, they're nerds. Might take longer than just reaching consensus.




2757. Post 12477127 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Ok guyz!

What should be my target for the oct-jan bull run?

$1800 or $2500?



2758. Post 12477167 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: nioc on September 20, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
Ok guyz!

What should be my target for the oct-jan bull run?

$1800 or $2500?

Just remove a zero from each number and you won't be disappointed.

Screw that! I want to live! I want to feel the juices flowing! I want to be disappointed and make a big fuzz about it!

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on September 20, 2015, 10:48:47 PM
I'd go with $300.

et tu brute



2759. Post 12478555 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on September 21, 2015, 03:00:50 AM
Still 200+ dollar (actual money) magic beans.

Glad to see you've recovered from the loss of image privileges.


"Where are we going? Why is everyone screaming? What's happening here?"



2760. Post 12479899 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: illodin on September 21, 2015, 07:10:45 AM
What's goin on




Bad things



2761. Post 12481116 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: nioc on September 21, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
1)  I found some fiat so I bought some btc.....fingers crossed

If you want to know why the price went down a bit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Crossing fingers obviously didn't help Tongue

Buying pressure probably dropped on all exchanges when you were done.

Any thoughts on the low volume of the drop?



2762. Post 12481820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: abercrombie on September 21, 2015, 12:31:29 PM
is crypto done??


Perhaps. Or someone just hit the snooze.



2763. Post 12482041 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 21, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
is crypto done??


Perhaps. Or someone just hit the snooze.

Are we still here? Undecided

The concept of existence is impossible. Because in order to be we have to transgress the boundaries of not being. For matter, space and time, this is called "The Big Bang", however the further we move towards the beginning of inflation the closer we get to the point of impossibility. We would like to think that that is not the case. That our rapid and unrelenting expansion of our knowledge of the universe will somehow break through this barrier, but it is an illusion. So what is this experience of being we all share then? It is a play played out on the back of The Great Turtle who constitutes the physical boundaries of this imagined world. Such a concept is of course laughable. But since there is no such thing as being, it is without consequence.

Or were you just thinking about this forum?




2764. Post 12482245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Globb0 on September 21, 2015, 01:31:23 PM

The concept of existence is impossible. Because in order to be we have to transgress the boundaries of not being. For matter, space and time, this is called "The Big Bang", however the further we move towards the beginning of inflation the closer we get to the point of impossibility. We would like to think that that is not the case. That our rapid and unrelenting expansion of our knowledge of the universe will somehow break through this barrier, but it is an illusion. So what is this experience of being we all share then? It is a play played out on the back of The Great Turtle who constitutes the physical boundaries of this imagined world. Such a concept is of course laughable. But since there is no such thing as being, it is without consequence.

Or were you just thinking about this forum?



At a quantum level it gets even more insane. Everything is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. And atoms are practically nothing, with a nucleus the size of a tennis ball in a huge cathedral of emptiness and space.

I've been to that cathedral. That tennis ball is annoying as hell.



2765. Post 12482742 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: RenegadeMan on September 21, 2015, 01:53:57 PM

What if the physical universe doesn't actually exist at all? What if every single thing we think is a real thing - the screen you're reading this text on, the chair you're sitting on, the floor the chair you're occupying is resting on, the building you're in that the floor you're standing on is part of, the shoes you're wearing, your feet that are in the shoes you're wearing, your legs connected to those feet.....in fact your whole body - what if none of it is real but it's all a million ideas that exist independently of what all these things appear to be made of?

As Globb0 says above, at a quantum level everything is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. So how can we be sure all these things are real? Well most will say, "Well of course they're real, I can touch them, feel them, see, them. I can bang things together and they make a sound. If it's food or drink I can taste them. Of course they're real!" but if we're using our physical senses to confirm everything we can see, hear, feel, taste and smell is real isn't there a minor governance issue in that we're using faculties that are also made of "everything is everywhere and nowhere at the same time" hence there's only a single source of confirmation therefore it's highly likely it's not accurate?

Just maybe, just maybe, this is all a mockup and the great spiritual sages throughout the millenniums were trying to tell us that. Maybe what we're experiencing in this realm is but a shadow of what's actually real.

Something to think about.  Wink


I am convinced. I am dropping my diet.



2766. Post 12484143 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: nioc on September 21, 2015, 03:29:35 PM
1)  I found some fiat so I bought some btc.....fingers crossed

If you want to know why the price went down a bit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Crossing fingers obviously didn't help Tongue

Buying pressure probably dropped on all exchanges when you were done.

Any thoughts on the low volume of the drop?

It wasn't my buying pressure Grin Grin

I was at work (yes on a Sunday) and bought because I had some found fiat and the price went down a couple of dollars.
Being the idiot I am I didn't even look at the volume.  If I had I wouldn't have bought as it had been soooo low even before the minor drop. Tongue

That's what 6 days and 70 hrs a week for the last couple will do to you.  Yes I am at work now!


BTW we are still here.  Where else would we be?  That reminds me, somebody said that "now" is an illusion and it made some sense.  I was going to ponder that but had forgotten about it.  I just bookmarked something.  Thanks Fatman!!!

Nice to hear. I hope you're making the big bucks with those kind of hours. Sorry for the late reply, but if "now" is an illusion "being late" must be as well. This is just getting better and better.



2767. Post 12485343 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: gizmoh on September 21, 2015, 07:15:58 PM
Critical moment as always Smiley






2768. Post 12485559 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on September 21, 2015, 08:11:52 PM
https://21.co/

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/09/21/21-inc-releases-first-product-a-bitcoin-computer/

 Cool

A wobbly Raspberry Pi?

Can someone explain to me why this isn't the dead end I think it is?



2769. Post 12486198 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: andropopolus on September 21, 2015, 08:45:45 PM
https://21.co/

[Suspicious link removed]j.com/moneybeat/2015/09/21/21-inc-releases-first-product-a-bitcoin-computer/

 Cool

A wobbly Raspberry Pi?

Can someone explain to me why this isn't the dead end I think it is?

This is more of a prototype,  according to the article. A proof-of-concept, something for the devs to tinker with.
The finished product would have a real, full-featured OS (Windows), and a real, robust payment system (Visa/$).

And why would anyone buy the finished product? I thought they were going to integrate their chips or their chip-tech into standard PC chipsets, not make their own computers. I don't see a market for such a product. If it weren't for the mining bit I would think all of this could be done in software. Actually, I don't really see the point of this chip at all. The amount of coins it will be able to mine is so minuscule that it would make more sense for the users to just bite the bullet and buy some coins. In fact, what we need is (please don't shoot the messenger) the option of exchanging fiat for BTC directly through our online banking solutions.



2770. Post 12486211 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Sitarow on September 21, 2015, 09:15:30 PM


Welcome back Sitarow



2771. Post 12486844 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: andropopolus on September 21, 2015, 10:49:00 PM
https://21.co/

[Suspicious link removed]j.com/moneybeat/2015/09/21/21-inc-releases-first-product-a-bitcoin-computer/

 Cool

A wobbly Raspberry Pi?

Can someone explain to me why this isn't the dead end I think it is?

This is more of a prototype,  according to the article. A proof-of-concept, something for the devs to tinker with.
The finished product would have a real, full-featured OS (Windows), and a real, robust payment system (Visa/$).

And why would anyone buy the finished product? I thought they were going to integrate their chips or their chip-tech into standard PC chipsets, not make their own computers. I don't see a market for such a product. If it weren't for the mining bit I would think all of this could be done in software. Actually, I don't really see the point of this chip at all. The amount of coins it will be able to mine is so minuscule that it would make more sense for the users to just bite the bullet and buy some coins. In fact, what we need is (please don't shoot the messenger) the option of exchanging fiat for BTC directly through our online banking solutions.

Sorry, cheap dig at Linux/BTC, implying "janky takes on Windows/USD, respectively."  
>I don't really see the point of this chip at all.
No point?!  Perhaps there's no point in writing 1.5 million dollar forum sharevaporware from scratch, either? Angry
Ever seen "The Producers" (60s movie)?

           "Lambie!!!"



2772. Post 12488742 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: RoadStress on September 22, 2015, 04:25:44 AM
So many narrow minds in this topic. Can't you think of anything else than ROI? I understand that this is top priority in everyone's life, but you just can't apply it to EVERYTHING.

This is a digital currency forum. Besides, it's not like we're discussing ROI on clubbing baby seals.




2773. Post 12488978 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: secousa on September 22, 2015, 05:31:25 AM
So many narrow minds in this topic. Can't you think of anything else than ROI? I understand that this is top priority in everyone's life, but you just can't apply it to EVERYTHING.

This is a digital currency forum. Besides, it's not like we're discussing ROI on clubbing baby seals.



the ROI there is sealed in astronomical terms

Hehe, sealed.



2774. Post 12490556 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on September 22, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
http://www.coindesk.com/circle-granted-first-bitlicense-rebrands-as-circle-pay/?w3tc_note=flush_all&utm_content=buffera9bd9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 Cool

Now that's some proper news.


ccmf



2775. Post 12491765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: gizmoh on September 22, 2015, 11:50:34 AM


Yea right so bullish...! New paypal born  Roll Eyes


Apparently the guys at Circle are now prompting their users to convert their balance to US$ as a default.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3lwjsc/holy_pivot_circle_prompts_users_to_convert_their/

Their new ad completely obviates any reference to Bitcoin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ojmQoesKS4


http://i.imgur.com/BS9v4Ow.jpg?1

It's a genuinely good product that takes advantage of the benefits of Bitcoin and does away with the pitfalls. This is a way of transferring money that I could actually recommend to friends and family. I'm just excited to see what other currencies they will offer in the future.



2776. Post 12491958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Statoil petrol stations just announced that they will change their name to Circle as well today, or "Circle K".

http://e24.no/privat/bensin-statoil-doepes-om-til-circle-k/23529378

Might help Circle Pay with branding, or send them to court. Either way it's publicity.




2777. Post 12493803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: kromtar on September 22, 2015, 05:02:08 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we had a little action last night but we seem to be coming back to $230 pretty consistently lately.

Must be driving the daytraders crazy. Long-term holders yawn.

What is actually our (long term hodling cult, inc.) target? 10 000? 100 000?? 1 000 000???
32K

52 K

520k



2778. Post 12495707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Andre# on September 22, 2015, 08:45:05 PM
Nobody here sees the potential of 21 Inc's platform? What Google did for making money with websites (generate revenue with ads), 21 Inc may do for making money with web-services (generate revenue with pay-per-use). I.e. 21 Inc might be the next Google. Guess what that will do for Bitcoin...   Cheesy

I think it would be great if they develop an open source software layer to handle the internet of things, I just don't see the point in the HW bit.



2779. Post 12498874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: RenegadeMan on September 22, 2015, 10:55:55 PM
Nobody here sees the potential of 21 Inc's platform? What Google did for making money with websites (generate revenue with ads), 21 Inc may do for making money with web-services (generate revenue with pay-per-use). I.e. 21 Inc might be the next Google. Guess what that will do for Bitcoin...   Cheesy

I don't see the potential. You don't need special chips or computers to do micro payments. As a charity node, a standard Raspberry Pi 2 is cheaper. And the mining part of it is really lame. To me, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of bitcoin buzzwords. Either the VCs have been fooled, or there is a dimension to this that is still a secret.

Based on the story of 21 Inc so far my guess is your line...

Quote
To me, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of bitcoin buzzwords. Either the VCs have been fooled....

...is the reality of the situation. I think these guys are riding a bitcoin VC feeding frenzy but lack clear strategy or understanding.

If you haven't already heard this podcast from 13th Sep, have a listen to Chris Derose and Joshua Unseth's take on what 21 Inc are doing; I think it's very very funny. Go to time 15:05 in episode #16 of the Counterparty weekly update for a hilarious take on the whole thing.

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/xcp-weekly-update-16-joel-and-thomas-from-swarm

Nice find! That pretty much sums it up.

Perhaps there is some legitimacy to incorporating a HW wallet in chipsets, as it seems some are suggesting they're doing, but a miner is, as we heard,  a bad idea for a number of reasons.



2780. Post 12505002 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Richy_T on September 23, 2015, 08:55:34 PM
Bitcoin is so stable that even the most stable fiat currency looks like crazy investment against BTC right now...It is so boring though...

Bitcoin is so stable that you can put a horse in it.

It's so stable I'll be using it in a nativity scene this Christmas


Jesus Christ!!!



2781. Post 12507584 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):



Good news everyone!!!

BitPay is attacking Bitcoins USP.

We're all gonna die!!!

http://www.coindesk.com/bitpay-cut-free-unlimited-processing-merchants/



2782. Post 12509847 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: barbs on September 24, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
I'm going all in long baby! This rocket is moonbound!


BTC-E is sniffing the others in the B. We might get a bit of a pump very soon.



2783. Post 12510685 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: tarmi on September 24, 2015, 02:10:36 PM
go ahead, make my day.

I love the smell of bull's blood in the morning.



Even tarmi is waking up.

Time for the choo choo to leave the station!



2784. Post 12510764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: tarmi on September 24, 2015, 02:36:47 PM
this market is dead and fueled by delusional bulls and it will remain so dead until the next blood fest. and I mean sub 100.



CCMF!!!



2785. Post 12510818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: tarmi on September 24, 2015, 02:41:52 PM
and yes, every ccmf call and attempt to break the next "log, local etc resistance" is getting more pathetic.



Btw, I don't really give a hoohaa about the chinese exchanges but I do like that they all seem to have crossed 1500 CNY.



2786. Post 12512398 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 24, 2015, 06:05:53 PM
What does it mean when a permabull such as myself has gotten the point of apathy at even a small rise?  I mean I guess I am happy with a few dollar increase but I am certainly not expecting much at this point.  Undecided Perhaps that is the true sign we have reached the bottom though? 

I am also expecting not that much but you never know it here. I just cashed out a half bitcoin so I would be painfull if it's gonna raise hard now.

Hang in there!
I believe the restricted transaction capacity is the only thing holding bitcoin back at the moment.
But it's not an impossible problem. Actually, I think it's pretty easy to solve by sharing the work of verifications between the miners.
And many groups of people are working on this specific problem now from different angles.
Hopefully, we will see some very good solutions before or during the bitcoin scaling conference in Hong Kong in december.
I believe this question is a lot more relevant to the price than the halving next year because daily mined coins is just a small fraction of the global trading volume per day.

I too worry about the scaling issue, but I don't think that's going to hold the price back if we get a bit of momentum going. I wouldn't wait for that to be resolved, get them coins now while they're still hot!!!



2787. Post 12512734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 24, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
really liking how we poked past the weekly high, i think we're just about ready to jump to 250+ , give it a week or two

Hold on, I'm just gonna....




2788. Post 12512850 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 24, 2015, 06:58:28 PM
What does it mean when a permabull such as myself has gotten the point of apathy at even a small rise?  I mean I guess I am happy with a few dollar increase but I am certainly not expecting much at this point.  Undecided Perhaps that is the true sign we have reached the bottom though?  

Don't get too excited, we've been here many times thinking we've seen the bottom. Just HODL & keep accumulating. Anything below 300 is cheap coins imo.

We have to sit tight & HODL for at least another 5 years then we might start to see something to get excited about. Still very early days.

^
LFC thinks we might not reach the moon this week. I'd call that despair.



There, there, you tired scouse. You'll be planting the Liverpudlian flag in no time.



2789. Post 12512902 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 24, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
this is gentlemen



2790. Post 12512953 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Neither Bitcointalk nor Bitfinex has crashed. Bullish!



2791. Post 12514071 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: chmod755 on September 24, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
Wait Yellen is in Amherst, MA? Isn't that where Gavin Andresen lives?

Edit: Yes, it is.

Edit 2: USD is forking.

USD-XT, now with bigger notes.



2792. Post 12516445 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):




2793. Post 12516596 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 25, 2015, 06:35:12 AM
and Adam, I hope your gfie doesn't lock you up, like she had done several months back... and caused you to be absent from the thread for a considerable period of time..

Shhhhh..... different gfie.



2794. Post 12517572 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Fiat_Hodler on September 25, 2015, 06:53:56 AM
seemingly the same amounts being sold & bought repeatedly
Ye I just saw that. Broken bot or volume manipulation ?


Funny whether other exchanges will follow, or we end up stuck in the mid-$230s... then over the weekend, isnt there more likely fuel for dumping rather than pumping?  Then we will be back to $227-ish?
If you look at the volume on a larger scale it actually looks like massive volumes of BTC were purchased on Bitstamp. still theres no telling if its real or fake.

If its real then some massive companies are accumulating tens of thousands of coins (the volume on bitstamp would actually be unbelievable in this case and bitfinex would no longer be the largest exchange).
If its fake, then who is paying the trading fees and why? or is bitstamp themselves faking the volume like the chinese exchanges always do?



Could Bitstamp be arranging bulk trades and running it through the trading engine? A sort of "on the chart" "off the chart" arrangement?

Except the price changes, maybe it's a matching service?



2795. Post 12519461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 25, 2015, 01:57:56 PM
The block-size issue is still not fixed, it can go up like now but it will go down hard when media paying attention again to that debat.

If you plan to buy more coins just wait untill that block-size issue starts again.

When it's all over...than the real uprise will start.

the debate is already priced in

sure, but not the outcome yet ^^

XT loses, Gavin wins. Core won't give miners all the power. There. Run that through your calc.



2796. Post 12519646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 25, 2015, 02:07:57 PM
The block-size issue is still not fixed, it can go up like now but it will go down hard when media paying attention again to that debat.

If you plan to buy more coins just wait untill that block-size issue starts again.

When it's all over...than the real uprise will start.

the debate is already priced in

sure, but not the outcome yet ^^

XT loses, Gavin wins. Core won't give miners all the power. There. Run that through your calc.

gavin wins? lol wut?

if anything he won the right to stfu! Cheesy




2797. Post 12521032 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Norway on September 25, 2015, 04:06:11 PM
I made it a little smaller to reduce the graphic impact  Wink

thx



2798. Post 12522584 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on September 25, 2015, 08:14:30 PM


This price movement makes me wanna go postal!

WHERE ARE MY $32K COINS!!!




2799. Post 12526640 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Am I the only one who thinks this VW-case is friggin hilarious?

Ze Germans have been bashing the Greeks for nearly a decade for fingering the numbers, which consequently led to their economy imploding. This, according to ze Germans, is a sin that can never be forgiven.

And now it turns out that the symbol of German industrial might (VW) has been fingering their engine software to avoid taxes on emission and to get satisfy emission standards. If they have to pay back emission taxes AND fines for every single vehicle sold with these engines it can break VWs back.

In other words: Ze Germans (who historically have been such a beacon of morals and decency [pfffff]) can be thrown into depression because of their own lying cheating ways.

BTW: Congratulations to Greece for the reelection of Syriza! I know this isn't the reddest crowd, but it's heartening to see that the Greek people is standing strong and trying to change how things are done.  




2800. Post 12526741 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: Searing on September 26, 2015, 10:43:45 AM

Am I the only one who thinks this VW-case is friggin hilarious?

Ze Germans have been bashing the Greeks for nearly a decade for fingering the numbers, which consequently led to their economy imploding. This, according to ze Germans, is a sin that can never be forgiven.

And now it turns out that the symbol of German industrial might (VW) has been fingering their engine software to avoid taxes on emission and to get satisfy emission standards. If they have to pay back emission taxes AND fines for every single vehicle sold with these engines it can break VWs back.

In other words: Ze Germans (who historically have been such a beacon of morals and decency [pfffff]) can be thrown into depression because of their own lying cheating ways.

BTW: Congratulations to Greece for the reelection of Syriza! I know this isn't the reddest crowd, but it's heartening to see that the Greek people is standing strong and trying to change how things are done.  



I'd heard about this chip stuff years ago from my auto mechanic friends but they said it was NOT VW .the story I've heard ...it was the guys making big semi truck engines doing such
so it may be we will find out EVERYONE has been cheating in this manner

........if nothing else if it is only VW then we will know this for sure in that every frigging
supposed 'clean' diesel made by ANYBODY is gonna get tested now in a big way by numerous countries...VW better hope it is everyone ..if it is ONLY just them
that was dumb enough to do this cheat with all the countries going after them on regulations on such they will be out of business eventually imho ) Smiley



BMW passed with flying colours in the same test that VW got caught, so it seems it is possible to make them clean. I am interested to see how FIAT is doing though. Renault and Volvo got nicked in the truck-scandal you're referring to, so I would be surprised if they were caught doing that again.



2801. Post 12527053 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 26, 2015, 11:07:47 AM
#Godwinslaw

I'm not a big proponent of erasing history. Especially when some people seem so eager to forget; and brush it away with #Godwinslaw.

"We'll never forget!", that's what I learned in school.

In my mind that should mean that we raise an eyebrow when ze Germans get on their high horse to cast judgement on others. At least the Greeks didn't vote "Golden Dawn" in to clear up the mess. We'll see if ze Germans can deal with things as graciously if this VW shit hits the fan. I'll gladly suffer some gratuitous nazi comparisons if that will remind them to stay on the straight and narrow.



2802. Post 12527679 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: 600watt on September 26, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this VW-case is friggin hilarious?

Ze Germans have been bashing the Greeks for nearly a decade for fingering the numbers, which consequently led to their economy imploding. This, according to ze Germans, is a sin that can never be forgiven.

And now it turns out that the symbol of German industrial might (VW) has been fingering their engine software to avoid taxes on emission and to get satisfy emission standards. If they have to pay back emission taxes AND fines for every single vehicle sold with these engines it can break VWs back.

In other words: Ze Germans (who historically have been such a beacon of morals and decency [pfffff]) can be thrown into depression because of their own lying cheating ways.

BTW: Congratulations to Greece for the reelection of Syriza! I know this isn't the reddest crowd, but it's heartening to see that the Greek people is standing strong and trying to change how things are done.  



Pride goes before a fall.  

germany was trying hard to set up an image of straigthness and reliability. the fact that this most epic fuck-up by vw can tear that image down shows that this de-glorification was overdue. german elite is as greedy as any other elite. more arrogant maybe, but as greedy.

i am not sure if the regular german has the slightest idea how seriously this fuck up is seen internationally.

Or how much it will cost. In Norway they may have to pay as much as $10000 in unpaid taxes and fines per vehicle if they are given the same rates as individuals. That is, if the cars are eligible for approval at all. If not, every customer will need full reimbursement; in addition to fines of course.

Now, Norway is a small country, but if we slam a 1-4 billion usd loss in their face I would dread to think what the rest of the world has to offer. Will Germany be begging us for forgiveness? How will it look like when they try to explain to Greece that VW is "too big to fail"?

I'm guessing they're gonna work on all fronts to minimize damage and come to some agreement on the EU level where they will be let off with a fine of a few billion, a small percentage of what they should have paid. But still, Tsipras has little to lose by telling them what's what if they keep rolling their eyes at him.



2803. Post 12527884 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

@BMB

Quote from: Denker on September 26, 2015, 12:35:53 PM
A nice distraction to the other mess we are facing by all this "refugees" coming in thanks to our silly chancelor.

Where the fuck is that Godwin fella you're talking about? I'd like to ask him a couple of questions.



2804. Post 12534127 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on September 27, 2015, 09:11:25 AM
I must be honest and say hodling Bitcoin has always been a kind of gamble as it could drop drastically or it could go to the moon.

But yes, it is boring now. I did enjoy the price swings even though it's been mostly down!!

Baaahhh...

Buy, buy, buy!

And get some VR Porn while you wait.

http://www.coindesk.com/naughty-america-ceo-millenials-want-to-pay-in-bitcoin/



2805. Post 12538917 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):

Quote from: hdbuck on September 27, 2015, 07:55:12 PM
Bitfinex went from 4 times the volume of Bitstamp half a year ago via 1.5 times two months ago, to a half of Bitstamp's volume the past month and a quarter the past week. Is BFX dying?


There are a huge fud campain

Agree. Feel like as Tarmi said, someone is trying to create the illision of volume in this rise (while perhaps unloading elsewhere). BFX volume has been minimal. It hasn't really dropped, but as a percentage vs Stamp, has collapsed solely due to the action of the 49,98,147 bots, which are doing the majority of the volume on Stamp and account for most, if  not all the increase vs BFX.

Its not just Stamp -  OKC and Huobi seem to have put some more fuel in the volume bots (and thown in a few of those random 50k BTC trades for good measure!

All in all its really tough to know where to look to get any read on current volume trends.
Something fishy going on ... (well it's BTC, so nothing new there Cheesy)

If the activity on this forum is anything to go by, then I would guess the BFX numbers are most representative and the rest is an illusion.


so the magic wall that pops up once in a while on bitfinex is representative?



Either everything is above board or we're being played from all angles.




In the words of Weyoun 6: "Of course I'm paranoid, everyone's trying to kill me."




2806. Post 12539276 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.26h):



One "MOON!!!" please!



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2808. Post 12542351 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: kromtar on September 28, 2015, 08:11:30 AM
Halving is near and diff will double because of x2 energy efficient chips, deal with it.  Cool





2809. Post 12542422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Feri22 on September 28, 2015, 08:38:35 AM
Guys i have a feeling that the next bubble will be fucking nuclear...don't know when it will come, doubt it will be now, but when the world is ready, holy fucking shit  Cool



2810. Post 12547830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 28, 2015, 08:35:16 PM


 KissCool CHINA Cool Kiss


Explanation is that there are NOT trading fees, correct (or are the trading fees really low?)

With no trading fees you have lots of bots trying to squeeze out a couple of satoshis extra on every trade.

It's BotWars



But i would love to know how many actual Bitcoins are on Chinese hands and how many are involved to create these trading volumes.



2811. Post 12552544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Completely off-topic: Anyone else being forced/repeatedly prompted to agree to a bunch of legal crap in order to do a simple google-search?



2812. Post 12556571 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: suda123 on September 29, 2015, 12:09:36 PM
Completely off-topic: Anyone else being forced/repeatedly prompted to agree to a bunch of legal crap in order to do a simple google-search?

is this a joke >.>?

Nope, using Bing atm. I know Google is milking us dry for information, but them demanding me to actively accept it is a bit too much. Passive acceptance and living in denial is more my style.



2813. Post 12556818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: nioc on September 29, 2015, 07:52:55 PM
Completely off-topic: Anyone else being forced/repeatedly prompted to agree to a bunch of legal crap in order to do a simple google-search?

is this a joke >.>?

Nope, using Bing atm. I know Google is milking us dry for information, but them demanding me to actively accept it is a bit too much. Passive acceptance and living in denial is more my style.

I don't know much about it but have you tried https://search.disconnect.me/



Sweet, thx!



2814. Post 12558834 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: nioc on September 29, 2015, 10:49:32 PM
Completely off-topic: Anyone else being forced/repeatedly prompted to agree to a bunch of legal crap in order to do a simple google-search?

is this a joke >.>?

Nope, using Bing atm. I know Google is milking us dry for information, but them demanding me to actively accept it is a bit too much. Passive acceptance and living in denial is more my style.

I don't know much about it but have you tried https://search.disconnect.me/


Is it better than duckduckgo?

It is not a search engine but a service that prevents you from being tracked when using a search engine.  duckduckgo is one of the search engines it works on.

I really don't know how well it works as I have neither used it nor researched it much.  Did it work for you Fatman?

Works like a charm, thanks!



2815. Post 12560089 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Omikifuse on September 30, 2015, 04:42:16 AM
months of sidewazzzzzzzzze

people always complained that BTC is too volatile and no serious user would adopt BTC because it is too volatile.

now BTC is stable and people keep complaining Huh

Complaining is a Universal Constant.

Don't fight it. Let it out.



2816. Post 12565895 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: nioc on September 30, 2015, 05:24:13 PM
My transaction was not included in the last 2 blocks which were 912.39 KB and 976.54 KB big.  The larger one was only 12 minutes long.

I used the recommended fee size.

Yeah the 1MB blocksize is just fine Tongue

Us nerds think this is some kind of "Duel of The Fates", but really it's a disagreement between the old guardian of Bitcoin , who's used to get things done, and the brilliant people he brought in to replace him, who's used to pulverize responsibility by dragging processes out until there's consensus. Or not do anything and pretend it's everyone else's fault. I'd love consensus on this thing, but it scares me that these guys would rather drag Bitcoin through the mud than make a decision. Bitcoin has a market cap of 3-4 billion usd atm. When it's 300-400 billion usd everything is going to be controversial. Everything is going to be difficult.



2817. Post 12567387 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):


That finex wall is epic. I'm observing.



2818. Post 12569961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: 600watt on October 01, 2015, 07:28:15 AM
paul2000 has got some nice hopium for us:






= moon in november ?!




2819. Post 12573441 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):




2820. Post 12573996 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: wakasaki808 on October 01, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
crypto-markets are just like commodity-markets, moon and doom are just troll-expressions of dreamers


So what's the correct expression when something goes from $10-$1000 jan-dec same year?



2821. Post 12575796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on October 01, 2015, 08:02:40 PM
Coin
Explanation


Someone is taking the piss with this finex wall. It's no longer manipulation. They're doing it for the lulz.




2822. Post 12576650 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on October 01, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
Why is everyone so excited on the forum?

Bull run etc....blah blah


Still same old 230-240.

Have I missed something?




Quote from: 600watt on October 01, 2015, 07:28:15 AM
paul2000 has got some nice hopium for us:






= moon in november ?!



2823. Post 12576885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Globb0 on October 01, 2015, 11:02:54 PM




                "Does not compute!"



2824. Post 12580353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on October 02, 2015, 08:58:28 AM
I can't remember ever seeing six ChartBuddy's in a row...  

And it's looking less negative, so what gives - has everyone nodded off?

 Wink



bitcoin is dead.

Not according to Brian Blessed.



                           "Bitcoin's Alive!"



2825. Post 12580456 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: samson on October 02, 2015, 10:37:52 AM

So the price will either go up or down

or flat



2826. Post 12585537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on October 02, 2015, 06:56:15 PM


I'll just help myself to that splendid image.

SAVED



2827. Post 12587119 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 03, 2015, 02:25:43 AM
For those who are bored on this forum, there's r/BitcoinMarkets daily discussion.

Friday's discussion is quite interesting:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3n6vl6/daily_discussion_friday_october_02_2015/

Reddt's always good for drama if you want it.

Mike Hearn accidentally reveals that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Shocked butters take refuge in irrational denial.
submitted 1 day ago by jstolfi


So Jorge is Satoshi?

I knew it!!!



2828. Post 12593408 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on October 03, 2015, 07:09:30 PM
Gemini will have pretty though KYC into place

Accredited investors don't care about KYC.

Gemini is targeting serious megawhales who wouldn't ever go near an offshore toy like Bitfinex.

I'd love to see what they could do to Bitcoin.




2829. Post 12601137 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: ronald98 on October 04, 2015, 07:21:48 PM
you can't beat the global ledger.  Grin
you can't beat the power of mining staff.  Grin



so, Bitcoin will be always the solution.  Cheesy


I want more money ! ---> Bitcoin.
I want a house ! ---> Bitcoin.
I want a job ! Why ? Bitcoin !
I want friends ! Well, i prefer girlfriends ... Bitcoin !




I don't know about Bitcoin getting you a girlfriend.

Do you think Bitcoin could get this guy a girlfriend? He looks like a fat pig and I think most girls would turn him down no matter how many Bitcoins he had.



He might get hookers with much Bitcoins (if he was very lucky), but getting him a girlfriend is different. Bitcoins can buy you hookers, blow, and lambos, but there are some things you can't buy, especially if you look like the guy in that picture.

 Bitcoins can't buy you love.




2830. Post 12601186 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Blazin8888 on October 04, 2015, 07:38:20 PM
I think we are going to witness a breakout to 800+ levels within the next 90 days.


But where did you get that figure from?



2831. Post 12605059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 04, 2015, 10:26:36 PM
unless you're a dominatrix, you can't make money by shitting on your customers.

Quote of the year.

SAVED



2832. Post 12607636 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: 8up on October 05, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
Gemini opens on Thursday... http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-exchange-gemini-new-york/

To all the bears out there!



Father Christmas has arrived!



2833. Post 12607792 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: findftp on October 05, 2015, 02:22:52 PM
I'm sorry but I don't really see the added value of yet another exchange. If I want a "clean design and cool color scheme" I'll just use Kraken.

Edit: sounds like a good time to buy the rumor, sell the news.

I thought the same until I read that they're licensed to provide business to institutions.
https://blog.gemini.com/geminis-area-of-operation/

I bet there are many fund managers personally loaded with bitcoin and want to use institution money to pump the price.



2834. Post 12608159 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 05, 2015, 03:01:16 PM
post a rocket too, we are eager to dump.



2835. Post 12608400 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: SnokkomBTC on October 05, 2015, 03:43:53 PM
dump..

Baaaahh!!

pussycatfarts



Apply carefully!

Santa won't help!



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2837. Post 12609952 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on October 05, 2015, 06:47:39 PM
[Bullish Sean Connery]

First we have to get pass this one:
"US Government to Sell 44,000 BTC in Final Silk Road Auction"
http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-to-sell-44000-btc-in-final-silk-road-auction/



Possibly final time to grab some cheap coins? We will see. Hold on tight either way!

I agree. Everyone knows the bottom is in now. Buying 44k without slippage is going to be a lot more tempting this time 'round.



2838. Post 12610150 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: BitofaN1 on October 05, 2015, 07:12:43 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but why do some bears consider that last SR auction, good news for them?Aren't those auction participants buying at market price or slightly above it? Why would they dump those coins on exchanges instead of waiting for a significant increase in price?

I've seen some of them suggest this as well. But the bigger worry is probably that the auction will remove 44k bitcoin x [number of bidders] of buying pressure from the regular markets.



2839. Post 12613207 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: spiderbrain on October 06, 2015, 03:16:56 AM
WOW 2.5k wall at 240 on BFX. Prepare moon suits.

Moon suit has been ready for 2 years now

My moon suit is partially eaten by moths...
Natural fibres aren't great for pressure suits, anyway, so the moths might have done you a favour Wink

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/moon-landing-meltdown-apollo-11-spacesuits-gradually-disintegrating-a-637327.html


We need MOON!!!! NOW!!!!



2840. Post 12614813 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: dre1982 on October 06, 2015, 10:12:07 AM

Damn that a hell of a forum. Just let's go there.
.
.
.
.
.
.
No!  Cool

I agree. Stay here and be smartified.



My evil twin is a stupid cunt anyways.



2841. Post 12615402 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 06, 2015, 11:32:55 AM
cryptsy stopping withdrawals.
so it begins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173703.100

I think this shitcoin central will have more impact on price than gemini. because bitcoin.

Yeah, everyone will trade in their shitcoins for bitcoins.

Edit: CCMF!!! Thanks Tarmi for the bullish news!!! CCMF!!!



2842. Post 12615654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 06, 2015, 11:40:29 AM
cryptsy stopping withdrawals.
so it begins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173703.100

I think this shitcoin central will have more impact on price than gemini. because bitcoin.

Yeah, everyone will trade in their shitcoins for bitcoins.

Edit: CCMF!!! Thanks Tarmi for the bullish news!!! CCMF!!!

It isn't even real news, from what I can gather...

Shhhh! I'm teasing tarmi.



2843. Post 12616852 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 06, 2015, 02:18:23 PM
A little movement in the under $300 price range and people are prepping for a moon launch? I don't watch the news very often, did the moon get closer to the earth recently? lol

Yes.

http://earthsky.org/tonight/august-29-supermoon-first-of-three-supermoons

Edit: CCMF!!!



2844. Post 12617003 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 06, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
I think a lot of people have moved over to the new forum - come join us!
https://bitco.in/forum/threads/wall-observer.27

I read somewhere that in Switzerland there is a famous Product Design Hochschule that has given mankind such great advances as the black-on-black appliance control panel and the knee-busting car glovebox. 

I gather that they now have a new course where the best website designers of the world can learn advanced reader irritation techniques, like maximizing the amount of wasted screen space, writing with gray text on gray background, permanently displaying sidebars and menus that get used only once every solar eclipse, marking irrelevant information with animated gifs, and so on. 

http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/

ASCII Ribbon Campaign?

Crusade against html?

You might not be representative for the average user.



2845. Post 12617203 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Proxiebuier on October 06, 2015, 02:48:19 PM
The higher rate $247
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd

are you ready to moon  Cheesy we will hit 300$ again Smiley

Baaahhh... We'll run over $300. Straight to moon.





2846. Post 12617981 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: bambou on October 06, 2015, 04:27:39 PM
Max Keizer seeing through the XT coup and all the lame attempts of the bank cartels to minimize Bitcoin in the light of the "Blockchain technology":

https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/317750-episode-max-keiser-819/


You mean the guy who works for the english branch of the russian propaganda machine RT?



2847. Post 12620162 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Richy_T on October 06, 2015, 08:55:15 PM

Miners revenues are mandatory to ensure the network's security.

While the block reward tends to 0, it is natural for a fee market to emerge, or else there would not be any incentives left for the miners to keep spending the resources that a POW system requires.

Meanwhile, you can enjoy transacting for nearly nothing.

Yeah, that's my thought. A fee market should be allowed to emerge naturally, not artificially by restricting resources.

I see no reason why fees (as they are) can't pay for a pretty hefty pow network when there's no block reward but thousands of transactions a second and $30k-$70k coins. Any artificial scarcity on this front now will strangle Bitcoin.



2848. Post 12620266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Richy_T on October 06, 2015, 09:34:40 PM
I see no reason why fees can't pay for a pretty hefty pow network when there's no block reward but thousands of transactions a second and $30k-$70k coins. Any artificial scarcity on this front now will strangle Bitcoin.

I agree. Though I am not actually all that worried about the block size limit as I believe the dynamics of Bitcoin will ensure it is disposed of. If not in good time then in time enough.

I'm more of a cheerleader for the process than for any decision in particular.

As a nerd I tend to have very strong opinions on things I think I understand, so I will argue as a matter of course. But when I lean back a bit I can't really see this not ending in a raised (and eventually removed) blocksize limit.

Quote from: bambou on October 06, 2015, 09:34:08 PM
I see no reason why fees can't pay for a pretty hefty pow network when there's no block reward but thousands of transactions a second and $30k-$70k coins. Any artificial scarcity on this front now will strangle Bitcoin.

Start with there is no "thousands of transactions a second and $30k-$70k coins" as of now, in reality y' know..

No, now there's block rewards paying for a pretty hefty and oversized pow network.



2849. Post 12620374 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: bambou on October 06, 2015, 09:58:18 PM
I see no reason why fees can't pay for a pretty hefty pow network when there's no block reward but thousands of transactions a second and $30k-$70k coins. Any artificial scarcity on this front now will strangle Bitcoin.

Start with there is no "thousands of transactions a second and $30k-$70k coins" as of now, in reality y' know..

No, now there's block rewards paying for a pretty hefty and oversized pow network.

Huh You not happy already freely spamming a network that takes a difficulty of 60,813,224,039 and 456,026,187 GH/s?

Show some gratitude young man, now where is the mass adoption thing kicking in again?

What? Please explain.

Edit: Ah, I forgot. I'm in the wrong forum.






2850. Post 12620648 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: bambou on October 06, 2015, 10:39:39 PM


Miners revenues are mandatory to ensure the network's security.

While the block reward tends to 0, it is natural for a fee market to emerge, or else there would not be any incentives left for the miners to keep spending the resources that a POW system requires.

Meanwhile, you can enjoy transacting for nearly nothing.

It is possible to have too much security.  Would you hire an army to guard a child's piggy bank? The compensation for miners should be proportional to the security they actually provide.  It costs almost a million dollars/day to secure a network with a 3-4 Billion dollar market cap.  How much do you think the New York Fed spends guarding their gold vaults under 33 Liberty ST. ? I would be very surprised if it was anywhere close to 1 million/day. 

If miners can provide 90% as much security for 10% of the current cost/transaction, that is a increase in value to network users.  If they keep stonewalling any blocksize increase, they risk losing market share to competing altcoins. 

I'm not selling my BTC, but i'm not reinvesting my arbitrage profits either. I'm using them to buy bitshares.

If small blockers were truly committed to decentralization, they wouldn't be limiting Bitcoin's utility.  A settlement network between trusted third parties is absolutely not what Satoshi or any of us early adopters had in mind.  It's supposed to be a peer-to-peer electronic cash system. It always was.


So the caping is preventing utility? Or "mass adoption" maybe?

What is actually forcing miners to spend millions to secure a system that should not be as powerful?

Seriously, you need to take a deep breath.

It's the network that is spending millions on miners.

What bothers me more about small block proponents than their actual position is that they can't convincingly argue in favor of it. Almost as if they haven't thought it properly through. Or simply don't know what they're talking about.



2851. Post 12627013 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 07, 2015, 05:35:24 PM

Hell no! I never spend my money, not on frivolities like lunch I don't.


When my grandpappy raised me in the Deep South he drummed it into me to think of eating as not frivolous. Our family has a tragic history of loved ones forgetting to eat and passing away. If I remember to keep eating I'll pass on the same wisdom to my future kinfolk.

Mmmmm....eating kinfolk.



2852. Post 12628318 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):



The Northern Lights are insane today. This one is from yesterday. Today it's even better.



2853. Post 12628352 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 07, 2015, 08:45:29 PM

The Northern Lights are insane today. This one is from yesterday. Today it's even better.


That looks incredible. Where do you live?

Tromsø, Northern Norway



2854. Post 12630603 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Dexter770221 on October 07, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Largest spam attack so far. Price will..... (enter correct answer Wink )
https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/

Stay at $245 until people are convinced it's not a mirage and then it will be pumped up to $250-$255.



2855. Post 12630745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Fiat_Hodler on October 08, 2015, 04:56:26 AM
couple of hours until gemini opens.

There should be a dump I guess, but I have this funny feeling "this time will be different"TM.



2856. Post 12632786 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: esse83 on October 08, 2015, 10:26:25 AM


"When I'm called off, I got a sawed-off
Squeeze the trigger and bodies are hauled off
You too boy if you fuck with me
The police are gonna have to come and get me
Off your ass, that's how I'm going out
For the punk motherfuckers that's showing out"



2857. Post 12634744 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):


So much excitement.

So much moon.




2858. Post 12635200 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 08, 2015, 03:49:50 PM
wall street money pouring in.




WEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee.......



2859. Post 12635475 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Tzupy on October 08, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
wall street money pouring in.


Yup, currently 3.2 thousand dollars bids at Gemini, this looks sooo bullish... Grin
The bid sum / ask sum ratio is about 20$, might be an insight into the future of bitcoin... Roll Eyes

And those are probably just nerds from this forum "Taking Part in History!!!".




2860. Post 12635819 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Fiat_Hodler on October 08, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
all these people crying about gemini... give it a few weeks/months to actually get online properly... rome wasnt built in a day...

They're not building Rome.



2861. Post 12636537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):




2862. Post 12637455 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 08, 2015, 08:14:59 PM
wall street money pouring in.


Yup, currently 3.2 thousand dollars bids at Gemini, this looks sooo bullish... Grin
The bid sum / ask sum ratio is about 20$, might be an insight into the future of bitcoin... Roll Eyes

And those are probably just nerds from this forum "Taking Part in History!!!".




How do we link to Gemini's exchange (trading and books) information?  Do we need to create an account?  

Only institutional representatives can create an account, no?



I use this: https://cryptowat.ch/gemini/btcusd/5min

I think you anyone can open an account as long as they live in one of the US states currently supported.



2863. Post 12640443 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on October 09, 2015, 05:41:42 AM
5 hours since last trade on gemini  Tongue



Don't worry, the hiding institutional investors will pop out any second now to buy up something that is easily replaceable and has a negative reputation.

Oh Yeah!






2864. Post 12649661 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 10, 2015, 10:19:11 AM
recent news from an experienced trader i follow

...."observing an increased volume activity among all the biggest bitcoin exchanges, this let me think that bitcoin is probably accumulating to later break the trading range and move above $250."....
https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/10/06/long-term-update-again-on-volatility/


hope it helps anyone

Looks like they're not seeing the mystery candles for 10-80k coins happening in china with clockwork regularity, nor the repeating orders on bitstamp that barely move the price, nor the complete dearth of action in the intervening periods.

To use raw volume numbers reported by the unregulated exchanges as the sole basis for a trade sounds to be something other than "experienced".

For the last two nights I watched about 6k coins quickly thrown into a 25 Bitcoin wall at the quietest time possible on Bitstamp. The price barely moved by a dollar. Apart from that the volume was almost none-existent. It's funny how it happened when most people were sleeping. Exchanges faking volume makes me so angry.  Angry

The bots have us all propped up. Can't beat the machines.



2865. Post 12651109 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 10, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens if gemini takes a large market share from the scam exchanges that engage in fraudulent and suspicious behavior.

Maybe they'll have to recruit a couple of special friends to turn up the volume to stop themselves from looking like dick heads. Life is quiet at present.


These guyz? Dick Headz? Pleaze...



2866. Post 12651173 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 10, 2015, 02:21:51 PM

These guyz? Dick Headz? Pleaze...

Alright. Silly sausages.

I respect the fact that they came out with a working product that hits plenty of marks. If they don't get the custom within the next few months and years it's not going to reflect well on all the noise they've been making.

They've done everything right. If it goes to shits it's because Bitcoin failed them.



2867. Post 12651700 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 10, 2015, 02:43:24 PM

They've done everything right. If it goes to shits it's because Bitcoin failed them.

Bitcoin don't owe nobody nothing. She's a cruel mistress.

I disagree. She owes me a boat!





2868. Post 12651795 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 10, 2015, 03:48:49 PM

I disagree. She owes me a boat!


Will this tide you over?



Oh Yeah!!!



2869. Post 12652167 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: bad_char5 on October 10, 2015, 04:39:21 PM
Question:
Is Gemini failing because it's Bitcoin's antithesis--regulated, safe, legal, etc., or is it really a success, and other exchanges are just facades of fake volume?
False dichotomy?
Discuss!

Bitcoin failed because you trolled it to shits.

Go join the big leagues. Go troll obamacare to shits while you're at it. Or oxfam. Your raw talent at being a dickhole can really take you places. Maybe you could be the first lib dem prime minister?



2870. Post 12655031 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Blazin8888 on October 10, 2015, 10:45:20 PM
...
Give me a break. BTC Crave will always stay relevant as long as the miners are around. BTC Crave backs this entire ecosystem and BTC Crave will further empower it to become an even more robust powerful network of companies involved in blockchain tech and other various blockchain related projects. I believe BTC Crave will always be relevant because it was the first. It will act as Digital gold...
FTFY.
Hope you were more convincing while pumping Crave.  How much did you make on that?  20k u say? USD or Craves?

It's over when teh P&D crew steps in & takes control Sad

Power word list:
relevant
ecosystem
empower
robust
powerful
relevant

Power phrases:
blockchain tech
Digital gold


You put relevant 2 times you dyslexic kid

That's a sign of stoopid, not dyslexia.



2871. Post 12655603 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 11, 2015, 03:33:24 AM
... That's a sign of stoopid, not dyslexia.
UR RONG
... I got assburgers Angry
DSM-5 stupid! Assburgers!!! Angry

You gentlemen... [blablabla...]


Neither diagnosis is currently included in DSM-5, stoopid!



2872. Post 12655761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 11, 2015, 04:29:19 AM
... That's a sign of stoopid, not dyslexia.
UR RONG
... I got assburgers Angry
DSM-5 stupid! Assburgers!!! Angry

You gentlemen... [blablabla...]


Neither diagnosis is currently included in DSM-5, stoopid!

ASSBURGERS NOT in DMS-5??!!1!  What the hell man?!
Assburgers was never DSM-IV, ur thinking Asperger's. Why the need to run a already meh joke into the ground like that? What's wrong with you?

[Fatman3001: That's what I do. Suck on it, mottafokka!!]

I'll go "Bowowow!!!" when your cheques start bouncing!



2873. Post 12655929 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 11, 2015, 05:00:21 AM
^^???  Whatcha talkin' bout Jasper? What's wrong? Is it because Sat night & all the filthy casuals titratin' themselves with shitty neurotoxins? Whatever recreational chemical you paid 2x2much4 in "The DeeeEep Web Of Thieves Losermart," you make sure never to buy from that feller again, K?


I must have made you upset, cause I can't understand a fuckin word of that.



2874. Post 12658291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 11, 2015, 12:45:16 PM
^^???  Whatcha talkin' bout Jasper? What's wrong? Is it because Sat night & all the filthy casuals titratin' themselves with shitty neurotoxins? Whatever recreational chemical you paid 2x2much4 in "The DeeeEep Web Of Thieves Losermart," you make sure never to buy from that feller again, K?


I must have made you upset, cause I can't understand a fuckin word of that.

I believe he means to suggest you be more careful in your selection of recreationals?

Kellogg's Honey Smacks and diet Pepsi?

I know I'm playing with fire, but I like to live on the edge.

Edit: I clicked on your link.

How did you guys know I'm hooked on Top Gear??

I know I should just turn it off, but they are so entertaining.

Besides, they're running reruns on all channels all day.

Don't blame me, blame society.



2875. Post 12658407 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Wekkel on October 11, 2015, 01:00:39 PM
Top Gear: the scripted jokes are agonizing. The nice cars, JC rantings and beautiful filming make up a lot though.

+1

But because they are such shitty actors it's easy to see when they're genuinely having a good time.

And, they say what they think about the cars. Not what they're supposed to think. Who cares about boot space and mileage if you want to stab yourself in the head every time you drive your little diesel eurobox?



2876. Post 12658761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 11, 2015, 01:27:32 PM
Top Gear: the scripted jokes are agonizing. The nice cars, JC rantings and beautiful filming make up a lot though.

+1

But because they are such shitty actors it's easy to see when they're genuinely having a good time.

And, they say what they think about the cars. Not what they're supposed to think. Who cares about boot space and mileage if you want to stab yourself in the head every time you drive your little diesel eurobox?

The show wasn't about cars for many years before they cancelled it. The reality is that little diesel euroboxes and tiny Japanese/Korean utilitarians are by far the best deals. The others are money pits for hobbyists and an ever-reducing market. They are a bit like the yacht market and their coverage will end up resembling that. Niche.

Cars are money pits, but it doesn't take much to make it a nice experience. Buy the petrol two steps up and don't skimp on equipment. As for the lambos et al, you could watch clarky turn their tires into smoke until his eyes watered. That's enough for most.

Quote from: muyuu on October 11, 2015, 01:38:20 PM

OT:

The issue with cars is: NOW is the time to buy the last real cars that were produced. Prices will skyrocket for those as now we will see even more downsizing, turbocharging, battery-driven, etc.... Take the 911 for example, there wont be any natural-aspirated 911s anymore! You dont have to be a genius to understand that the 997 and 991 will skyrocket in price soon enough.

It will be hardly a business except for the specialised professionals. Take the Testarossa 80s models (1987 seems popular), they cost more now than they did new. But who made money by buying a Testarossa and maintaining it for nearly 30 years? it's a terrible investment as such. Maybe classic car brokers can make a lot of money in commissions. That's the epitome of niche, you don't base a prime time show on that.

If that's something that gets you 350m viewers worldwide, then that's what you air.

Few Testarossas stayed with one owner for 30 years. Those who bought it new got what they wanted. Those who bought them dirt cheap 10-15 years ago got a taste of the dreams of their youth. And those who bought them as an investment at half the price they are now, got what they wanted. I've yet to meet an unhappy Testarossa owner.

In any event, the number of people who dreamt about buying one but never did, is roughly 100000/1. That explains the popularity of the show.



2877. Post 12659018 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 11, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
... sombre and poison-filled pages."

Poisoning minds since 1868TM Smiley

*Tho some are clearly immune
... [blablabla...]

Just take your crazy pills and you'll be too.



2878. Post 12659441 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 11, 2015, 03:34:17 PM
If that's something that gets you 350m viewers worldwide, then that's what you air.
It doesn't though. Certainly not anymore in the UK and similar markets, and that's why the show moved elsewhere and it will likely disappear soon everywhere. It's a matter of muscle cars and bigoted jokes getting out of fashion worldwide as a consumer business.

Few Testarossas stayed with one owner for 30 years. Those who bought it new got what they wanted. Those who bought them dirt cheap 10-15 years ago got a taste of the dreams of their youth. And those who bought them as an investment at half the price they are now, got what they wanted. I've yet to meet an unhappy Testarossa owner.

In any event, the number of people who dreamt about buying one but never did, is roughly 100000/1. That explains the popularity of the show.

I did as a 10 year old, but then I grew up and when I could afford one I realised it was a daft idea.

The show is no longer popular where it originated. It declined to the point of being cancellable, admittedly a little prematurely because of Jeremy Clarkson being a bit too chavy for his own good.

All good points and all true. I'm just happy that the last shows were better than most of the later ones. And that Clarkys charm and grace made sure that they went out with a bang [pun intended] rather than a fizzle.



2879. Post 12659557 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 11, 2015, 03:44:01 PM

Few Testarossas stayed with one owner for 30 years. Those who bought it new got what they wanted. Those who bought them dirt cheap 10-15 years ago got a taste of the dreams of their youth. And those who bought them as an investment at half the price they are now, got what they wanted. I've yet to meet an unhappy Testarossa owner.


I've owned a few borderline supercars but would never go overboard into a proper one. They invoke some violent reactions from people. And lower tier cars as an 'investment' rather than the blue chip stuff are a mirage if you own them for long periods. They'll break even maybe but all that maintenance and taxation adds up rapidly.

It's a different matter if you've bought within the last few years maybe but they're only worth what others'll pay. Not the most liquid thing you can ever own. I think a shit ton of people will be burned with the more modest stuff. Old style BMW M3 Evo Sport's go for up to $150,000. I nearly bought one at $10,000 but it was a dog. That doesn't smell sustainable to me.

I'd happily spend my days polishing a Diablo, an '89 M5 and a 993 when I'm not watching the charts. You have to enjoy it a bit if it's gonna be worthwhile. XJ220 is still underpriced, I'd polish the shit out of that!

Quote from: fish731 on October 11, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
Surely if you drive around in them you have to pay huge insurance bills each year. Don't those bills add up to a super car's value after 30 years? An 18 year old would be charged as much as a lambo cost to insure it. A thirty year old would pay much less, but still a considerable sum each year, and that's only if he'd never made a claim.

Are you MAD? You can't DRIVE IT! You just nurture the leather with milk and massage. Squirt some oil in the dirty spots and polish that rod until it's time for a bowl of weetos.

Oooohhh Yeeeaaahhh!!!



2880. Post 12659648 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 11, 2015, 04:02:06 PM

Surely if you drive around in them you have to pay huge insurance bills each year. Don't those bills add up to a super car's value after 30 years? An 18 year old would be charged as much as a lambo cost to insure it. A thirty year old would pay much less, but still a considerable sum each year, and that's only if he'd never made a claim.

You'd be surprised. Especially when you're into your 30s and beyond. A piece of shit 20 year old Citroen only cost $150 less than a V12 Aston Martin worth 100 times more when I was checking out insurance quotes. No idea why.

If you'd bought one of the current hot sellers in the last 2-3 years you'd no doubt make bank. There've been some insane price rises. If you'd cherished your whatever from new it probably absorbed its purchase price and more in keeping it rolling over the years.

I remember the car bubble of the late 80s. Investment banks were buying cars to stick in vaults believing they were on to a dead cert. Then it turned to dust in a truly stunning fashion. I bought an Alfa SZ around 2000 for about $18,000. In 1989-90 they were being advertised for $180,000 and more. Not such a hot investment after all.



I hope this is a bubble that will burst when I'm swimming in cash. My only problem is that I probably will never sell if I get a hold on my dream cars.

Btw, how was the SZ to drive?

Edit:
Quote from: FullLife on October 11, 2015, 04:00:29 PM
As underwhelming as the XJ220 is, I wouldn't go anywhere near that thing Smiley.

[Fingers in ears] LALALALALALALA!!!!



2881. Post 12659755 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 11, 2015, 04:12:23 PM

Btw, how was the SZ to drive?

Hands down the best handling car I've ever driven, apart from a Lancia Integrale that had been destroyed and rebuilt with new panels from the floor upwards, but really not very quick at all. I had a couple but they were both very low mileage so perhaps the engines would've loosened up. These days I get the impression that parts are very hard to come by so it would be a bitch to run one.

Quick cars are out of my system now. They're like really shit relationships. A few moments of joy mixed in with long stretches of utter horror when they go wrong.

And because they've been standing still for most of the last 25 years something brittle WILL break. And because, as you said, everyone babied them there was never a market for spares. The upside is that if you just want keep babying it it will probably rise in value.



2882. Post 12659827 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 11, 2015, 04:26:32 PM
Crypto history being made folks. BTS will change the way the world sees BTC and blockchain tech. Good things to come for BTC price. Digital gold it is.

Your optimism/positivity & hope for bitcoin tied to BTS isn't a result of your paid BTS signature is it?

To be fair, he signed it with "Trust no one.".



2883. Post 12659897 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on October 11, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
bbands bout to POP    Wink Wink

 Cheesy Cheesy

dafuq?

Cartalk helps, it seems.

Ehhhhhh, Ehhhh, Ehhhhhhh. I want a Murcielago!!



2884. Post 12660134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 11, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
Not very active is it? Pretty embarrassing for the Winkle's really, let's hope it picks up this coming week.

Maybe people just don't like them. Or maybe people don't want to contribute to making little Harvard elitist thieves even richer. How many yachts do those little scumbags really need anyway?

Quote
Larry Summers, the former Harvard University president, isn't hiding his disdain for the Winklevoss twins -- the notorious pair who started their feud with Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg while the three were students at the school under Summers.

"One of the things you learn as a college president is that if an undergraduate is wearing a tie and jacket on Thursday afternoon at three o'clock, there are two possibilities. One is that they're looking for a job and have an interview; the other is that they're an asshole. This was the latter case, ” Summers said at the conference. "Rarely, have I encountered such unfounded swagger, and I tried to respond in kind.

Are you assuming that bitcoiners as a group are guided by some kind of aesthetical ethics? Or even worse, that Wall Street is?



2885. Post 12660176 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on October 11, 2015, 05:17:01 PM
bbands bout to POP    Wink Wink

 Cheesy Cheesy

dafuq?

Cartalk helps, it seems.

Ehhhhhh, Ehhhh, Ehhhhhhh. I want a Murcielago!!


you watching those bbands bro? 

A bit, not that I know what I'm watching. 1d and 3d looks like they're gonna get smacked.



2886. Post 12660550 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 11, 2015, 06:13:48 PM
Crypto-currency could actually be quite good for banks.  They'd love a way around credit cards.  Not good for credit card companies, remittance companies, etc.  I don't think credit card companies know how to respond, still.
Permissioned Blockchain

Interesting!

Quote
A recent post on the Clearmatics website, titled “No, Bitcoin is not the future of securities settlement,” provides a point-by-point analysis of the original Bitcoin whitepaper by Satoshi Nakamoto from the point of view of the financial establishment, and a clear outline of the reasons why banks and mainstream financial institutions won’t touch permissionless blockchain networks like Bitcoin.

Let them bumble around in the dark if they wish. Eventually they too will find the light switch.



2887. Post 12661096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 11, 2015, 07:19:11 PM
something smell fishy..... bumps without reasons?.... oh...

Maybe people are buying for reasons you/we don't know about.

Sometimes someone actually needs coins to buy 'somethings'.

Like honey puffs, diet pepsi and Top Gear?



2888. Post 12661271 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 11, 2015, 07:44:27 PM
something smell fishy..... bumps without reasons?.... oh...

Maybe people are buying for reasons you/we don't know about.

Sometimes someone actually needs coins to buy 'somethings'.

Like honey puffs, diet pepsi and Top Gear?



Nope. Nothing to see here.

Of course not. Bitcoin is much more than that. There's..... wait.... hold on... you know....ringtones?



2889. Post 12661316 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 11, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
Quote
Larry Summers, the former Harvard University president, isn't hiding his disdain for the Winklevoss twins -- the notorious pair who started their feud with Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg while the three were students at the school under Summers.

"One of the things you learn as a college president is that if an undergraduate is wearing a tie and jacket on Thursday afternoon at three o'clock, there are two possibilities. One is that they're looking for a job and have an interview; the other is that they're an asshole. This was the latter case, ” Summers said at the conference. "Rarely, have I encountered such unfounded swagger, and I tried to respond in kind.

Wow if your former college professor calls you an asshole you've really should be looked at by a shrink, perhaps bordeline or some other socipoathic disorder.
Those are generally the most liking people out there, I can't imagine how the average person would react.

Regardless of whether the description fits the bill, Larry Summers sounds a bit like an unprofessional asshole as well. He was in charge of Rich Spoiled Brats Uni, of course there's a lot of assholes in those corridors. The smell of manure alone probably entitles them to some kind of farm subsidy. Is he keeping track of all of the asswipes there, or only the ones that can put him on telly?



2890. Post 12668028 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Blazin8888 on October 12, 2015, 03:21:16 PM
stop promoting your long positions in another shitcoin.

typical 14yr old answer. Im not promoting anything you goof. Im bringing news to the community.

Maybe if you had a brain and could analyze things around you to see potential in them and how they could potentially effect other things, youd realize BTS is the future of Crypto.


The community and ppl like u will get no where with answers like that. lol grow up u geek

Don't feed the trolls my friend.
Youre probably right. They just dont see the way

Of course. Please tell us again about how shitshares reminds you of BTC back in 2011.



2891. Post 12672742 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: souspeed on October 13, 2015, 05:04:30 AM
A few years ago there was a bunch of people bitching about stability. "If we only had price stability the world would be a wonderful place because everyone would adopt Bitcoin and we'll all be rich!"

Well, how's that stability working out for you?

Stability at $2000 is what they meant...

Stability at $20000 is what they meant...

$40000




2892. Post 12674053 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: noobtrader on October 13, 2015, 08:22:47 AM
Gemini is slowly getting some liquidity.

Btw. Reward-Drop ETA: 2016-07-26 01:18:02 UTC (40 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 10 minutes)!


weeew this slow rises really killing teh bear inside of me LOL

reward drop in less than 1 year, YAY... 3000 here we come...


ftfy



2893. Post 12675839 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: julian071 on October 13, 2015, 01:16:16 PM
Whoa a couple of dollars change in price and this thread takes on it's familiar form again!



Kind of reminds me of when my grandmother served me some cake she made without sugar. It was a healthy cake, for sure. I just couldn't see the point.



2894. Post 12676752 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 13, 2015, 03:17:12 PM
Have a look at the subreddit if you want to see the XT crew literally hurting and panicking that other scalability solutions are progressing, undermining their efforts to enforce 8GigaByte blocks and node de-anonymising code.

It's kind of fun to see.

Any links? All I see is people having a facepalm-moment.



2895. Post 12676919 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 13, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
Have a look at the subreddit if you want to see the XT crew literally hurting and panicking that other scalability solutions are progressing, undermining their efforts to enforce 8GigaByte blocks and node de-anonymising code.

It's kind of fun to see.

Which subreddit? I don't check in on /r/bitcoinxt that often but a quick look and things seem fairly innocuous. The sidechain thread has 6 comments.

Actual Bitcoin, not XT.

Have a look at the subreddit if you want to see the XT crew literally hurting and panicking that other scalability solutions are progressing, undermining their efforts to enforce 8GigaByte blocks and node de-anonymising code.

It's kind of fun to see.

Any links? All I see is people having a facepalm-moment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ok69l/blockstream_to_launch_first_sidechain_for_bitcoin/

Looks more like core supporters are having a facepalm moment because BS (admittedly, fully living up to its abbreviation) basically relaunched Ripple.



2896. Post 12676978 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 13, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
Looks more like core supporters are having a facepalm moment because BS (admittedly, fully living up to its abbreviation) basically relaunched Ripple.

 Grin right, sidechains with actual locked Bitcoins as backing are Ripple


Send them an e-mail. They'll do it for you in no time at all.

Edit:

Quote from: muyuu on October 13, 2015, 03:51:08 PM



Dude has completely it  Cheesy Does he even realize what he is saying  Huh

As if that's not what they were doing all along  Cheesy

The panic is real.

And oh, I like twisting words as much as the next guy, but you cannot assume that the person whose words you are twisting will twist his emotional state in the same direction.



2897. Post 12677185 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 13, 2015, 04:07:11 PM
What twisting? that's literally a screenshot.

Context here: https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-60#post-2263

He is clearly not displaying panic.



2898. Post 12677720 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 13, 2015, 04:33:07 PM
What twisting? that's literally a screenshot.

Context here: https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-60#post-2263

He is clearly not displaying panic.

That's why I provided the context, so you can make your own mind on the subject. For me, that is panic together with this:


What was expected or hoped for in both camps was a decentralized distributed sidechain solution. It has lately become clear that BS was working on a ripple-like private blockchain instead, and now it's been confirmed. I see disappointment more than anything else. On both sides of the debate. If anything, some on the XT-side might think this strengthens their case, but I think it just adds confusion.



2899. Post 12678043 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 13, 2015, 05:52:08 PM
do you remember the story about that stupid and dead whale that sold 30 k @ 300 $?

lel

these days the entire bitstamp's bid side is like 5k.  

That was an attempt by an early adopter to create a false bottom. It didn't work.



2900. Post 12678086 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 13, 2015, 06:09:44 PM

That was an attempt by an early adopter to create a false bottom. It didn't work.

Or it might have been a panicking/bored tweenie doing a final runner. Either way 9 mil buys a lengthy holiday from staring at charts and bids.

I don't feel sorry for him/her either way.



2901. Post 12678306 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: muyuu on October 13, 2015, 06:13:35 PM
There is nothing radical in not supporting XT. Being on the fence as in "half adopting" XT is simply a disingenuous stance. Sort of like the "atheism is a religion" argument. Or being on the fence about the Pol Pot genocide because opposing all murders is radical, "let's compromise and murder just half of the opposition and their families".

This is just stupid. You're way over line. There is plenty of gradient in this debate. Only retards like hdbuck and brg444 think this is about 1mb or 8gb. Nobody with their heads screwed on the right way wants 1mb. The question is if it's XT-BIP101 around new year or Core-BIP100/105/some other crap after problems have started to pile up. Attacking people like this for finding this debate a bit "meh" is just stupid.  Third time's the charm: stupid!



2902. Post 12679149 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on October 13, 2015, 07:52:24 PM
I'm sure closed source, pay Blockstream per month, federated chains, using multi sig secured collateral have a place in the ecosystem. I welcome them and applaud the effort in their creation.

However, there is a real concern regarding the motivations of veto wielding devs. Are they making decisions that would be best for Bitcoin, or decisions that might mold Bitcoin towards an environment that benefits Blockstream software products?      

This was the last I could find from Wladimir. He's responding to a question regarding whether he is still against "raising the blocksize limit immediately".

“Yes. [my previous opinion remains]

I mostly have a problem with proposals that bake in expected exponential bandwidth
growth. I don’t think it’s realistic. If we’ve learned anything from the 2008 subprime
bubble crisis it should be that nothing ever keeps growing exponentially, and assuming
so can be hazardous.
It reduces a complex geographical issue, the distribution of internet connectivity over the
planet for a long time to come, to a simple function.

On the other hand a hardfork is extremely hard to coordinate. Even one that just involves
changing one parameter. Everyone with a full node has to upgrade. This is not something
that can be done regularly. Certainly not with such a near time horizon.

Changing the rules in a decentralized consensus system is a very difficult problem and I
don’t think we’ll resolve it any time soon.”


What is very clear is that this way of thinking makes it very difficult to change course when things change. There is no reason why they couldn't just implement BIP101 and simply change the blocksize limit again if the assumptions behind BIP101 turns out not to be true. Except for his/their fear of doing something "wrong" and get the blame for it.  So he wants it done "right" this time. Which is ok, unless knowing what's "right" requires certain knowledge of the future. And it looks like it might.

So what if he/they make a decision sometime late 2016/early 2017, and it turns out to be the "wrong" one? Will they spend three years to change that as well?


Source: http://coinjournal.net/who-asked-wlad-what-does-bitcoins-lead-developer-say-about-scaling-debate-exclusive/



2903. Post 12679411 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 13, 2015, 08:47:04 PM

So what if he/they make a decision sometime late 2016/early 2017, and it turns out to be the "wrong" one? Will they spend three years to change that as well?


If it can't offer enough people usability then other systems will and it'll die. It's a trillion miles away from being 'too big to fail'. I can see why they'd grind to a halt but it doesn't exist in a vacuum and the world is a fast moving place that don't give a shit about Bitcoin's nobility.

This works only under the presumption that Bitcoin competes only on the basis of transaction throughput which it does not.

No, that's not what's being talked about. We don't know what the decision will be, nor how it will play out technically. The "what if" scenario just presumes that whatever the decision is, it doesn't work. It's the decision process we're talking about.



2904. Post 12682545 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: podyx on October 14, 2015, 07:50:23 AM

Does that chart mean that the Federal Reserve is loaning banks an extraordinary amount of money? Over $600 billion in September?

Yea, basically. I'm not completely sure though and it could also be because of some other cause somewhere.
Though, I believe it's an early sign that banks are starting to struggle to get their business going around.

There's little headroom for banks to squeeze any extra out of its customers with such a low interest rate.



2905. Post 12684172 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Fiat_Hodler on October 14, 2015, 12:15:03 PM
Bitstamp is the way.

Things on stamp can change quick... It is a liquidity provider for many other companies.

They are actually no longer a liquidity provider and have resorted to wash trade bots in order to make it seem like their exchange has volume and is still relevant.

I dont think they ever recovered since their hack when most traders left their platform and moved elsewhere.

Sources:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1205564.0

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3lwnyn/the_state_of_trading_in_the_bitcoin_markets/

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3okvda/bitstamp_the_new_okcoin_20_volume_manipulators/

Dude... You don't know much about Stamp.

I dont think you do if you cant even notice obvious wash trading. Maybe get some window wipers for your glasses.

If you can't see the cause and time when stamp, currently undergoing wash trades or not aside, recovered a substantial number of their previously lost clients, you're at least as clueless yourself.

Their exchange used to have massive large volume trades on a constant basis. It seems that they only started using wash trade bots post hack, once they realized they no longer have enough customers to create such large volumes and therefore they have resorted to artificial volume trading bots.

You are free to believe what you would like to but consumers should be made aware of this so they can make informed decisions before risking their money.

Volume post hack was abysmal until NY residents were forced off other exchanges and the chinese exchanges started blocking US accounts. I don't understand the trading patterns, but the reasons listed by our favorite dairy commercial has me convinced that stamp isn't fudging the numbers themselves.



2906. Post 12686001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 14, 2015, 04:05:11 PM

choo......chooo.........chooo............................

Choo....choo?Huh


Here's what I see.



Baaaaahhh!!!!

The choo choo is coming.




2907. Post 12686059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: aminorex on October 14, 2015, 04:25:10 PM
won't make 255 on this run, but will continue to trend up for 8-12 days, to a big test at 270.  fails the test.  retraces to 240, then continues up.

Long time no see!



Did you fire your monkey?



2908. Post 12686356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: aminorex on October 14, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
Did you fire your monkey?

Monkey should hire me.  He can afford it.

Don't do it! You know where it will end.




2909. Post 12686589 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: barbs on October 14, 2015, 05:42:01 PM
Karpeles will probably be kept as a pet by the yakuza in a remote and fully connected prison wing. A new and mysterious exchange will appear when he's settled in and the good/weird times will roll again until they fleece the entire planet thus causing total global poverty. Maybe.

I'd pay another 6.5 BTCthat he stole from me just to beat the shit out of him with a bat in that cage

I don't think you're the only one. You should mention it to the judge. They could make a killing.



2910. Post 12688208 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on October 14, 2015, 09:27:57 PM
Slowly creeping up while major altcoins are lagging. Therefore, this just feels right again  Cool

Maybe a little ahead of ourselves but onward and upward...Cheers


Baaaaaahhhh!!!

Let them rocket gifs roll! What could possibly go wrong?




2911. Post 12690880 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: Lauda on October 15, 2015, 07:25:53 AM
Just give it time. Did you honestly expect a lot of volume at the start of operations?


I just noticed the price late right now. Is there a specific reason for the mini increase or is it just correcting itself? Very interesting times are ahead.

The price has been rising slowly for a month now. There's just not enough selling pressure at the moment.



2912. Post 12692052 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: poncho32 on October 15, 2015, 10:32:07 AM
well, they had plenty of time already to acquire 'institutional' clients, since it is not because the website launches that they did not prepared upstream for important users to use the platform, even before any public launch.. anyway.

agree that interesting times lies ahead.

i get this feeling the rest of the financial world, as it obsessively misdirect people into 'blockchain technology' propaganda, is on the edge here and things are accelerating somehow as the end of the year approaches. will their status quo stand a couple more year? hard to say.
I was actually talking about the exchange itself. It takes time to accumulate volume and for the service to mature. I'm just hoping that there are no errors or bugs that would harm them so early. Besides, you have to remember the amount of time it takes to verify an account and transfer money to the exchange.


It would be nice if the price went up even higher.


The absurd "Regulated Exchange" era of Bitcoin is nothing more than a millimetre thin geologic layer in the advance towards domination.

Bitcoin price will surge at some point, and neither regulations, institutions, governance or whatever other deluded mass-marketed socialist businesses will have anything to do with it, ever.


A decentralized exchange could do more for Bitcoin than a regulated exchange. I'd rather use a decentralized exchange and trust nobody with my Bitcoins than use some regulated exchange that requires KYC, fingerprint samples, blood samples, and an iris scan just to register. There are masses of people who don't trust the unregulated exchanges, but don't want to go through KYC to use fully regulated ones.

Can someone remind me, how is fiat dealt with on a decentralized exchange?



2913. Post 12692880 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.27h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 15, 2015, 10:54:15 AM

Can someone remind me, how is fiat dealt with on a decentralized exchange?

Who needs stinking fiat anyway?  Lrn 2 think outside the box, man!

What is it with you and boxes? And rape? And this fear of this force you cannot see?

Are you this dude?



It wasn't Bitcoin, dude. Just let it go.



2914. Post 12693070 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 15, 2015, 12:05:27 PM
-snip-
TL;DR: Lying. Also stark-raving mad.

Got it, ty.

What worries me about Bitcoin as a whole is that when shit goes down YOU tend to almost make sense.

As if all the rest of us are a bunch of raving lunatics and you're the one looking into the asylum, pointing and laughing.

You're still an asshole, but being right is a redeeming feature.



2915. Post 12695985 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):


Ok, I rewired this mofo for choo choo mode.



I'm ready, let's do this!!!



2916. Post 12699419 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: hdbuck on October 16, 2015, 07:21:21 AM
seems the 256-258 resistance is holding well..




Huobi at $263, something has to give soon.



2917. Post 12704256 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Dilla on October 16, 2015, 06:15:16 PM
No one is selling. Are we going to se a full retrace to $310?


confirmed

confirmation verified

verification confirmed

confirmed verification confirmation

Quote from: inca on October 16, 2015, 06:00:29 PM
No one is selling. Are we going to se a full retrace to $310?

Bitfinex walls suddenly neutral. Not long until this bs stops being relevent.

hmmm....



Edit: Translation

      "It has happened before

         It will happen again

The Wave
           Autumn 2015"



2918. Post 12704785 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Gemini at $275. It's tiny, but it has personality.



2919. Post 12705544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

It would be nice if it could stay above $260. I don't really need those retracements.

Anyhew, party party...



@dunchy

What do you mean "pure useless, uninformative, double-cross, hidden agenda gibberish"?

Maybe we're communicating on a higher level than you can fathom. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's a possibility you should consider.



2920. Post 12706063 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 16, 2015, 11:23:59 PM
au contraire. closed half mil of longs on some clueless bastards.

I'm not going to say you're full of shit.  I'll just say the data would be strong evidence indicating you are.


this data?



It would be reassuring to know that was only the WO threads resident bear bailing. That would mean choo choo mode is still on.



2921. Post 12706167 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 16, 2015, 11:39:59 PM
this data?

...

does this make you full of shit?

The data clearly show...


...that you are full of shit. your senseless post just confirms it.



I am appalled. Tarmi? Insincere? I would never....



2922. Post 12707893 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 17, 2015, 03:14:42 AM
I read something about a vast Russian MMM ponzi currently operating in South Africa buying up Bitcoins. Any news?

Quote
Bobby Lee, CEO of Chinese exchange BTCC, told CoinDesk his platform has seen a significant volume increase, though he dismissed much of his competitors' volume as "artificial".

Those behind the volume, he said, are not traders but consumers sucked into a Russian ponzi scheme, MMM.

"We have posted warnings on our site and on our social media to warn users to be careful, but they have been coming to our exchange and buying out like crazy," he said, adding:

    "This time it's not speculative trading but based on them getting sucked into this ecosystem."

https://twitter.com/YourBTCC/status/654273706013798401?lang=en

"South Africa" must include a many of the poorest and least educated people there.

Ah, bitcoin -- bringing First World financial ruin to the unbanked in the Third World...

May you all go broke, and burn in hell...

It's a scammer scamming people. The fact he uses bitcoin is sort of beyond the point. In fact, it makes the victims bitcoiners, which should please you since you feel the should "all go broke, and burn in hell...".

If you want to throw a hissy fit you can have a look at this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/27/the-end-of-brazilian-growth/

"Corruption scandals are now as popular a news story in Brazil as Zayne Malik leaving One Direction. There is a new corruption scandal or arrest due to a corruption case almost every week. The latest one involves the tax appeals board, which will further stifle investment and sentiment."






2923. Post 12709205 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

This is weird. I'm actually making money. I'm scared.


Quote from: Lauda on October 17, 2015, 10:30:03 AM
Now if only Gemini would attract the clients that they are seeking.

This rise should help them gain some traction. Looks like the timing for the launch was right at least.



2924. Post 12710211 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: !! pop on October 17, 2015, 12:23:26 PM
chinese price is over $10 more... wow...

Organic growth is like that.  Also crack.

Yo Lambie! What are you going to do with all these accounts you're farming? This, Yololandia and.. I forget. Are you going to squirt one last porngasm in our faces?



2925. Post 12710902 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: !! pop on October 17, 2015, 01:55:46 PM
chinese price is over $10 more... wow...

Organic growth is like that.  Also crack.

Yo Lambie! What are you going to do with all these accounts you're farming? This, Yololandia and.. I forget. Are you going to squirt one last porngasm in our faces?

Seems like pathological paranoia/seeing sinister plots behind every post is a prerequisite for becoming a bitcoin bull.
Lighten up! I'm from the government, and I'm here to help Smiley

In the words of Weyoun 6: "Of course I'm paranoid, everyone's trying to kill me."




2926. Post 12711863 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on October 17, 2015, 03:54:47 PM
Rumor of a CNY devaluation coming on Monday? If this is the case Chinese are already pricing in devaluation...

https://forum.bitcoin.com/speculation-f43/proof-china-is-leading-the-current-rally-t1460.html

That would sort of set us up for a crash next week.



2927. Post 12711974 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 17, 2015, 04:12:01 PM
Prepare for the big price crash. I just bought back in so it should crash down to $200 now.  Undecided


Not this time. This time it's for real.




2928. Post 12713275 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on October 17, 2015, 04:20:12 PM
Prepare for the big price crash. I just bought back in so it should crash down to $200 now.  Undecided


Not this time. This time it's for real.



I jinxed it

sry



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2930. Post 12713408 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Lauda on October 17, 2015, 06:57:12 PM
People really need to stop being ignorant and childish. Every increase in price is not a 'pump' and every decrease is not a 'dump'.

miners have to unload their 3600 coins per day at some point...
Yes.

I don't have a gif for that



2931. Post 12713420 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: kromtar on October 17, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
Bitcoin is back.  Grin



touché



2932. Post 12713797 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 17, 2015, 07:21:31 PM
how do they pay electricity if they don't sell their coins? 15 % of the network today is like few MW a month.

The entire network probably pulls around 250MW. At 4 cents per kw/h that's $240,000 per day in electricity. Which would be 1000 coins a day when the price is $240.

Now at $263 that's 912.5 coins. At $300 that's 800 coins.

Now that's just electricity, but if you assume that a large part of the mining community wants to keep as many coins as possible until prices improve, you might expect the supply of coins to tighten as the price moves up.



2933. Post 12714303 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 07:52:14 PM
how do they pay electricity if they don't sell their coins? 15 % of the network today is like few MW a month.

The entire network probably pulls around 250MW. At 4 cents per kw/h that's $240,000 per day in electricity. Which would be 1000 coins a day when the price is $240.

Now at $263 that's 912.5 coins. At $300 that's 800 coins.

Now that's just electricity, but if you assume that a large part of the mining community wants to keep as many coins as possible until prices improve you might expect the supply of coins to tighten as the price moves up.

Could you offer TL;DR of how you've arrived at 250MW?  Not doubting you, just wondering what that number is meant to represent.

The network is at 500 petahash  and the machines are pulling an average of 0.5w/gh (Ant s3 0.7w/gh, SP-tech 0.6w/gh, ant s5 0.5w/gh and newer gear 0.25w/gh).


Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 07:52:14 PM
As far as miners wishing to sell coins when they're worth less and hold on to them once they're worth more?  Seems a bit counterintuitive, can you walk me through your reasoning?

I think a lot of miners see BTC as undervalued now and want to hold as much as possible until the price heads north. That's a messy business model, so I'm not sure how many can convince their investment partners to agree to it. But I seriously doubt that there are that many who don't have a business model where the mine pays its own bills. As in where bills are paid out of the owners pockets rather than selling minted coins. They are probably out there, but I don't think they're a major factor.

However, there is a reason why I wrote "if you assume". I can't wholeheartedly support this theory. It may very well be that a large majority converts all of their coins fairly immediately. That's a tidy and safe business model..... then again, nothing is safe in Bitcoinland. Ŋ\_(ツ)_/Ŋ



2934. Post 12714413 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on October 17, 2015, 08:32:05 PM

nice discussion we got going here.  Grin

no i don't know exactly were freshly mined coins are going. nobody knows. everybody has just hear-and-say informations.

i personally did some business some time ago with mining farm folks and my impression was they gave a shit about bitcoin. privately they held no more than a handful of coins maybe. for them it was just a better kind of investment as into high-yield-bonds or something.

but i accept that bitfury may keep them, quite possible.

nevertheless the market has to absorb 1 mioUS$ everyday, thats a fucking lot and halving will kick some ass.

Make it half that

If they are not selling their coins, then they need to raise *an* amount of fresh capital (or use reserves) every day to cover production costs and keep the lights on. Either way, the money has to come into the system unless they have 'free' electricity. If they are not selling the production it is hard to see how much of the new funding can go into development of infrastructure in an environment of falling prices (which presumably means they are even more reluctant to sell ...)

Well, I guess we know now where the VC money is really going. Whether that was their intention or not is another matter ...
Probably gives them a bit of extra leeway to 'massage' the market ... can't believe they would sit on their hands and not buy more if it they were too cheap to sell at $350-$400 ish ...


There's another way to look at this (I think). You either mine to sell instantly or you mine because you or your investors want coins. Coins that would otherwise have been bought at exchanges. Either way they're absorbed by the market.



2935. Post 12714627 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
... Could you offer TL;DR of how you've arrived at 250MW?  Not doubting you, just wondering what that number is meant to represent.

The network is at 500 petahash  and the machines are pulling an average of 0.5w/gh (Ant s3 0.7w/gh, SP-tech 0.6w/gh, ant s5 0.5w/gh and newer gear 0.25w/gh).

You might be missing some details:
1. It's safe to assume that any [already purchased] gear will be kept online as long as it mines more coin than it costs to run.  And 'costs to run' = electricity + cheap warehouse space.

A very large portion of the miners today are old Ant S3's. But a lot of mines will simply replace miners rather than upgrade capacity when things are as marginal as they are now. Some will sell the old gear on, but not all of them. Maybe not even a majority. In any event, I don't see how this would alter my rough estimate in any discernible way?

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
2. Also non-miner electrical costs (Cooling ~37% of electricity used in a [real] data center).*Yeah, Chinese chicken coops are less exotic than actual data centers, but still...

Many mining companies are folding, making me think that mining costs are beginning to approach coin price (as satoshi predicted).  If that's the case...

Cooling is a lot cheaper in purpose built mining centers. They don't have to worry about disrupting services or corrupting data if a unit breaks. They just chuck it out the window. I'm not sure what the average in cooling costs are, but it's a heck of a lot lower than 37%. Maybe 3.7%? Would 260MW sit better with you?

What's not taken into account is what a price rise will do to the hashrate. But that depends on the speed of the increase and the availability of HW.

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Many mining companies are folding, making me think that mining costs are beginning to approach coin price (as satoshi predicted).  If that's the case...

Definitely, the dutch and belgian mining operations with 20 cents per kw/h went first. While areas with 2 cent kw/h are booming. It's a volatile market.



2936. Post 12714708 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on October 17, 2015, 09:14:47 PM


There's another way to look at this (I think). You either mine to sell instantly or you mine because you or your investors want coins. Coins that would otherwise have been bought at exchanges. Either way they're absorbed by the market.

That is totally reasonable. And works for as long as the miners can continue to raise extra funding from this type of VC, who in reality, may aswell buy and hold BTC themselves (on or off exchange) and not take the risk on the company and what it may or may not do with or wthout their permission.

EDIT: I guess we will never really know, so its kind of an endless and pointless discussion at the end of the day ... but this is the SPECUALTION forum so we don't need 'facts'  Cheesy

I agree. Facts are for pussies.

However, this we know: whether you pay to mine or pay to buy, you're paying for coins. So mined coins are in a sense absorbed by the market either way.

(I'm tired. Please correct me if I'm talking shit.)



2937. Post 12714742 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on October 17, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
@ Fatman ... yup ... I agree - someone's paying for dem coins whichever way you cut it  Wink

it took me both of my brain cells to get to that conclusion



2938. Post 12714759 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: phoenix1 on October 17, 2015, 10:13:15 PM
@ Fatman ... yup ... I agree - someone's paying for dem coins whichever way you cut it  Wink

it took me both of my brain cells to get to that conclusion

I had to borrow couple of extra ones

cheater



2939. Post 12715288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
... Could you offer TL;DR of how you've arrived at 250MW?  Not doubting you, just wondering what that number is meant to represent.

The network is at 500 petahash  and the machines are pulling an average of 0.5w/gh (Ant s3 0.7w/gh, SP-tech 0.6w/gh, ant s5 0.5w/gh and newer gear 0.25w/gh).

You might be missing some details:
1. It's safe to assume that any [already purchased] gear will be kept online as long as it mines more coin than it costs to run.  And 'costs to run' = electricity + cheap warehouse space.

A very large portion of the miners today are old Ant S3's. But a lot of mines will simply replace miners rather than upgrade capacity when things are as marginal as they are now.
What is the logic behind upgrading (investing in new gear) 'when things are as marginal as they are now'? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply keep the old gear running, with no additional investment, while it's making money? 

If you have paid for a 500KW facility with with shelves for 500 machines, 500 psu's, 500 power outlets, Network with 500 lan cables, 10 power distribution units. 5 industrial grade fans, and so on, It makes a lot of sense to migrate to a more power efficient miner and turn your 500TH facility to a 1.5PH facility.

The machines will become obsolete anyway. The facility won't. And with margins the way they are, a lot of miners will try to optimize the capacity they already have rather than build/buy a new facility.

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
Quote
Some will sell the old gear on ...
Unless the old gear is sold as paperweights/door stops, it will hash until it either dies or becomes unprofitable to run.  Who cares if it's in a factory farm or has been sold to a hobby farmer?

If you have 50 or 500 used machines you might try selling them on e-bay or through BCT. But if you have 10000 very used nearly obsolete machines, it might make more sense just stripping them for parts and chucking them in the bin.

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
Quote
Cooling is a lot cheaper in purpose built mining centers. ... Maybe 3.7%?
Yeah, Chinese chicken coops are less exotic than actual data centers, but still...
But certainly not 3.7%, or else...

There seems to be a trend now that involves not putting bitcoin mines in the tropic.

But even in warmer areas cruder solutions lead to massive power savings.



Here you see wet paper on the right and fans pulling air out on the left. Thus pulling humidified air through the wet cool paper.



Paper being kept wet with some pcp piping.

Quote from: yolalanda on October 17, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
Quote
... the dutch and belgian mining operations with 20 cents per kw/h went first. While areas with 2 cent kw/h are booming. It's a volatile market.
There really were factory farms running on $.20 power? Shocked

In late 2013 you would earn $30 per kw/h with an early KnC asic. Some people didn't plan ahead.



2940. Post 12715552 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: ImI on October 18, 2015, 12:49:56 AM
this will end bad... like 2013?

2013 didn't end bad. price was around 800$ if i remember correctly.

If we shoot up to $3000 and crash down to $1500 before we recover to $2000, I'll just have to put my brave pants on and soldier through.



2941. Post 12715597 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 18, 2015, 01:00:15 AM
keep dreaming, no fundamentals and no gox for another bubble of that scale. I think that after this comes final capitulation.



2942. Post 12716767 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 18, 2015, 02:20:56 AM
...
What is the logic behind upgrading (investing in new gear) 'when things are as marginal as they are now'? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply keep the old gear running, with no additional investment, while it's making money?  

If you have paid for a 500KW facility with with shelves for 500 machines, 500 psu's, 500 power outlets, Network with 500 lan cables, 10 power distribution units. 5 industrial grade fans, and so on, It makes a lot of sense to migrate to a more power efficient miner and turn your 500TH facility to a 1.5PH facility.
I see. New gear cost/downtime/teardown/buildout labor are all negligible; new gear always works as advertised and arrives on time.
Success assured!

BTW, while I'm on this positivity kick? Here's a thought: If not too late, those 'dutch and belgian mining operations with 20 cents per kw/h' shouldn't go out of business! My Simple Plan: preorder some new, more efficient gear & go with that new trend you've told me so much about, the one 'that involves not putting bitcoin mines in the tropic.'
You with me thus far?  It only gets better!

Yeah, we move that new gear right into a '500KW facility with with shelves for 500 machines, 500 psu's, 500 power outlets, Network with 500 lan cables, 10 power distribution units. 5 industrial grade fans, and so on' but, get this, this is the disruptive bit -- will blow your black swan right out of the f8ckin' water & totally shift your paradigm.
Ready?
BONUS! Our new '500KW facility with with shelves for 500 machines, 500 psu's, 500 power outlets, Network with 500 lan cables, 10 power distribution units. 5 industrial grade fans, and so on'? Located where they charge us  < 20 cents per kw/h!! PROFIT!

1. Sell 500 PSUs to some idiot who thinks mining is profitable.
2. ditto for lan cables/industrial fans etc.
3. strip out all the wiring/copper plumbing from 'facility,' sell to scrapper.
4. let the police and the tax man landlord miss you.

In all things mining, we must emulate our ideal: friedcat!

Poor lambie. So you got fucked over trying to mine? It happens to the best of us (Not really, but I think that's what I'm supposed to say).



2943. Post 12717386 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Shorts are up, longs are down



2944. Post 12719927 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: ImI on October 18, 2015, 02:24:35 PM
BTC at its low and going down, $267.3 . Is it time for the next dump yet?

just a little correction. Will go up upcoming weeks.
Tell that to the price that is keeping on going down, even as I speak. At 265 right now, I think it is safe to say that it is time for the pump to be over folks.



Baaaaaahhh...




2945. Post 12720163 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on October 18, 2015, 02:40:21 PM
Fuck you bears.

Their time is almost up.



2946. Post 12720912 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 18, 2015, 04:25:47 PM

Poor lambie. So you got fucked over trying to mine? It happens to the best of us (Not really, but I think that's what I'm supposed to say).

Sad Not the most pragmatic guy, have bins and rackfulls of utterly useless obsolete gear, spanning fro '20s to '00s. I guess you could say the stuff's a testament to thousands and thousands of misspent hours and $. Never owned a single ASIC miner tho, that's just weird.

I would say my BCT account is a testament to, maybe not thousands, but a lot of misspent hours. Sounds familiar? Then again, I'm not a crusading nutjob like you. You probably think all your crap is an important part of the cacophony of life. I know my words are a waste of time.



2947. Post 12721123 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: !! pop on October 18, 2015, 04:46:24 PM

Poor lambie. So you got fucked over trying to mine? It happens to the best of us (Not really, but I think that's what I'm supposed to say).

Sad Not the most pragmatic guy, have bins and rackfulls of utterly useless obsolete gear, spanning fro '20s to '00s. I guess you could say the stuff's a testament to thousands and thousands of misspent hours and $. Never owned a single ASIC miner tho, that's just weird.

I would say my BCT account is a testament to, maybe not thousands, but a lot of misspent hours. Sounds familiar? Then again, I'm not a crusading nutjob like you. You probably think all your crap is an important part of the cacophony of life. I know my words are a waste of time.

Bitcointalk is a veritable cornucopia of levity & mirth. Enjoy it for what it is! Smiley

Let the sun shine
Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in! ♫



Sort of depends on what mood you're in.



2948. Post 12721142 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Looks like we'll get a boost from jumpy shorters if we move up a bit.

https://www.bfxdata.com/combined/btc.php



2949. Post 12722455 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Richy_T on October 18, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
Paper being kept wet with some pcp piping.

The undeniable link between Bitcoin and the drug trade...

Guess that should say pvc



2950. Post 12722533 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: hdbuck on October 18, 2015, 07:12:23 PM
so apprently i missed some big shit in my inactivity the last couple months...

bitcoin xt? satoshi actually posting something on the dev mailing list? wow.

and here the price action is going all interesting places.

interesting times indeed.


Bitcoin XT was a dud. "Satoshi" posting was likely the hacker that hacked his e-mail account last year.


no, that was not the same account. the one satoshi used on this matter seems legit as far as the story goes.

in any case, nobody knows, so let cut the hacker crap and focus on the message rather than the messenger, as i personally found it well written and quite insightful.

Of course you and gmaxwell thought so.

But for the rest of us it looks a bit silly that either satoshi or the guy/girl hacking his account used satoshis authority to thrash xt at the same time as he/she asks people not to be swayed by authority.

The person who wrote that PoS must be an idiot. I hope it's not Satoshi. I'd like to think he is smarter than that.



2951. Post 12722640 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: hdbuck on October 18, 2015, 08:10:22 PM
so apprently i missed some big shit in my inactivity the last couple months...

bitcoin xt? satoshi actually posting something on the dev mailing list? wow.

and here the price action is going all interesting places.

interesting times indeed.


Bitcoin XT was a dud. "Satoshi" posting was likely the hacker that hacked his e-mail account last year.


no, that was not the same account. the one satoshi used on this matter seems legit as far as the story goes.

in any case, nobody knows, so let cut the hacker crap and focus on the message rather than the messenger, as i personally found it well written and quite insightful.

Of course you and gmaxwell thought so.

But for the rest of us it looks a bit silly that either satoshi or the guy/girl hacking his account used satoshis authority to thrash xt at the same time as he/she asks people not to be swayed by authority.

The person who wrote that PoS must be an idiot. I hope it's not Satoshi. I'd like to think he is smarter than that.


funny how the XTards praising on satoshi's 3 worded 'vision' from its WP to bloat the blockchain with their coffee tips can't help but continuously reject the last email because it does not fit their twisted little minds.

yet nobody knows if it is him, and he certainly does not have to gpg verify jack shit for you noobs to blindly flock around like the daddy issues wannabes you all seems to be.


So you are completely blind to the inconsistency I pointed out?



2952. Post 12724562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 03:10:16 AM




2953. Post 12724591 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 03:24:14 AM




2954. Post 12724686 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 03:46:58 AM
-snip
There will be a gang of persons willing to pay  5$, 10$, hell 50$ for complete monetary sovereignty.

These people are presently paying orders of magnitude more to move their money around the world unnoticed.

With a market cap supported by hundreds of people lining up to buy popescu pesos... 1MB blocks will be plenty, believe me.

The socialist rich-shaming reeks through your posts.

I'd rather we have 100x more Popescus buy into Bitcoin than a million more "community" retards like you. I learned that from Warren Buffet  Smiley

http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/13/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/


Bitcoin is not a stock. I was really hoping you were linking to someone
a bit smarter than you so we could get a convincing argument on this.

But no.




2955. Post 12724818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 19, 2015, 04:11:18 AM


Bitcoin is not a stock. I was really hoping you were linking to someone
a bit smarter than you so we could get a convincing argument on this.

But no.



Yes it is.  Stock in the first Digital Autonomous Company.  But that's an argument for not shifting the base unit to milibits, not an argument to intentionally cripple the network capacity.
No it isn't. I could see how that analogy would be more apt for a debate regarding splitting the base unit though. But when you get to that debate it will be even more clear why Bitcoin is not a stock.




2956. Post 12725454 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 06:02:05 AM

Alright. Let me jump in with my favorite analogy then.

Seeing as we love all things free market then let me ask: are you of the opinion that the network of logging companies & cattle farmers should be left to self-governance in regards to how much of the Amazon rain forest they can cut?

Lots of stupid analogies today. The Blockhain isn't the Amazon rainforest. Increasing blocksize will not lead to any analogous detrimental effects.

I guess we could force your analogy into the carbon footprint debate. Do you want to shut Bitcoin down or go from PoW to PoS?



2957. Post 12725541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 06:47:24 AM

Which one is it then? Cap or no cap?

Do you oppose central control or do you not?

Personally, I think that sufficient incentives exist that the network of miners could be self governing wrt max_block_size.

Realistically, I'll take a half measure to help assuage the doubts of the fearful.

Alright. Let me jump in with my favorite analogy then.

Seeing as we love all things free market then let me ask: are you of the opinion that the network of logging companies & cattle farmers should be left to self-governance in regards to how much of the Amazon rain forest they can cut?

Sounds like we need a strong military with lots of guns to point at them. And maybe Beefstream could get involved with setting production quotas. (While marketing their tasty soy, pea protein, alternative.)

I know it will upset stolfi to hear, he may even tell me to burn in hell, but land owners should be free to destroy/nurture/defile/build and grow/harvest their own property as they choose.

Now returning to your regularly scheduled chartbuddy streak.

Land owners?  Cheesy

Surely you are not proposing these companies are legitimate owners of all this rain forest they are cutting down.

Anyway, I see you didn't quite get the idea I was attempting to get through to you.

How about big game hunters? No reason we should enforce laws about this right? I'm guessing you are fine with them self-governing the hunting of endangered species?

You've replaced one bad analogy with another. Both reeking of statist sentiment.

Bigger blocks aren't going to destroy the rainforest and kill endangered species, and you should be ashamed for using such comparisons. Mircea would be appalled. The decentralized relay network is an asset to the miners, they would be fools to destroy it.

I mean it this time chartbuddy. 

Who said they'd destroy it?

Given the incentives under a unlimited block size what'll happen is they will slowly but surely bloat it until it eventually becomes so large that only large datacenters will be able to act as peers on the network. It's a very simple dynamic but one that necessarily leads to capture of the network by the same statists you resent.
What happened to your analogy? Is the rainforest and endangered species of the world going to remain untouched, but we'll see forests bloated with wild game and cattle carcasses?



2958. Post 12725544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 06:53:14 AM

Alright. Let me jump in with my favorite analogy then.

Seeing as we love all things free market then let me ask: are you of the opinion that the network of logging companies & cattle farmers should be left to self-governance in regards to how much of the Amazon rain forest they can cut?

Lots of stupid analogies today. The Blockhain isn't the Amazon rainforest. Increasing blocksize will not lead to any analogous detrimental effects.

I guess we could force your analogy into the carbon footprint debate. Do you want to shut Bitcoin down or go from PoW to PoS?

Yes, it has a direct effect on the cost of running a node.

That is not an "analogous detrimental effect".



2959. Post 12725637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 07:01:11 AM
What happened to your analogy? Is the rainforest and endangered species of the world going to remain untouched, but we'll see forests bloated with wild game and cattle carcasses?

 Huh

Negative externalities may be a foreign concept to you?

In the case of rain forests it concerns the destruction of the ecosystem and numerous other consequences that ensue. As for Bitcoin it relates to the externalization of costs to nodes, in other words destruction of the decentralization.

But that doesn't follow from your analogy... ughhh... my point is that you chose a poorly suited analogy to evoke a moral response which isn't relevant for this debate. You're not fighting FOR your stance, you're fighting against the opposite stance while using every dirty trick in the book. This might be effective in some environments, but if you assume that most people who care to read your posts are not idiots and are dying to hear some well thought out arguments that explains YOUR stance, it's quite annoying.



2960. Post 12725867 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 07:15:49 AM
What happened to your analogy? Is the rainforest and endangered species of the world going to remain untouched, but we'll see forests bloated with wild game and cattle carcasses?

 Huh

Negative externalities may be a foreign concept to you?

In the case of rain forests it concerns the destruction of the ecosystem and numerous other consequences that ensue. As for Bitcoin it relates to the externalization of costs to nodes, in other words destruction of the decentralization.

But that doesn't follow from your analogy... ughhh... my point is that you chose a poorly suited analogy to evoke a moral response which isn't relevant for this debate. You're not fighting FOR your stance, you're fighting against the opposite stance while using every dirty trick in the book. This might be effective in some environments, but if you assume that most people who care to read your posts are not idiots and are dying to hear some well thought out arguments that explains YOUR stance, it's quite annoying.

I think my analogy is pretty clear: in the presence of a known scarce value (rain forest & decentralization) it is necessary that controls be put in place so as to limit the potential damages cause by misaligned incentives from the various participants in the system.

Except decentralization is only a scarce resource if we make it such. The node problem seems to be more reliant on the popularity of Bitcoin than the technical demands for running a full node. People need to believe in the project and get excited for it to bother with maintaining a node. The reason we've had a decline is because a lot of people lost faith in Bitcoin in the recent downturn. The technical demands are secondary.



2961. Post 12726076 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 07:49:54 AM
What happened to your analogy? Is the rainforest and endangered species of the world going to remain untouched, but we'll see forests bloated with wild game and cattle carcasses?

 Huh

Negative externalities may be a foreign concept to you?

In the case of rain forests it concerns the destruction of the ecosystem and numerous other consequences that ensue. As for Bitcoin it relates to the externalization of costs to nodes, in other words destruction of the decentralization.

But that doesn't follow from your analogy... ughhh... my point is that you chose a poorly suited analogy to evoke a moral response which isn't relevant for this debate. You're not fighting FOR your stance, you're fighting against the opposite stance while using every dirty trick in the book. This might be effective in some environments, but if you assume that most people who care to read your posts are not idiots and are dying to hear some well thought out arguments that explains YOUR stance, it's quite annoying.

I think my analogy is pretty clear: in the presence of a known scarce value (rain forest & decentralization) it is necessary that controls be put in place so as to limit the potential damages cause by misaligned incentives from the various participants in the system.

Except decentralization is only a scarce resource if we make it such. The node problem seems to be more reliant on the popularity of Bitcoin than the technical demands for running a full node. People need to believe in the project and get excited for it to bother with maintaining a node. The reason we've had a decline is because a lot of people lost faith in Bitcoin in the recent downturn. The technical demands are secondary.

That is absolutely not true as evidenced by the numerous accounts of interested individuals who have had no choice but to stop running their full nodes because of technical constraints.

As the blockchain continues to grow the resources required to fully validate one's own transactions will necessarily continue to increase.



You'll find anecdotal evidence for everything, and there's no denying that people have different points where they find they cannot/will not continue running a node, but the fact that those people are not being replaced at a higher rate has much to do, in my opinion, with the stagnation in price since the last bubble and the lack of attractive use cases. Hopefully there will be more attractive use cases for ordinary people after the next peak. Use cases that will make Bitcoin more relevant to people and help the number of nodes to grow. Nodes run on enthusiasm and nerd-cred.



2962. Post 12726621 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 19, 2015, 08:16:21 AM
What happened to your analogy? Is the rainforest and endangered species of the world going to remain untouched, but we'll see forests bloated with wild game and cattle carcasses?

 Huh

Negative externalities may be a foreign concept to you?

In the case of rain forests it concerns the destruction of the ecosystem and numerous other consequences that ensue. As for Bitcoin it relates to the externalization of costs to nodes, in other words destruction of the decentralization.

But that doesn't follow from your analogy... ughhh... my point is that you chose a poorly suited analogy to evoke a moral response which isn't relevant for this debate. You're not fighting FOR your stance, you're fighting against the opposite stance while using every dirty trick in the book. This might be effective in some environments, but if you assume that most people who care to read your posts are not idiots and are dying to hear some well thought out arguments that explains YOUR stance, it's quite annoying.

I think my analogy is pretty clear: in the presence of a known scarce value (rain forest & decentralization) it is necessary that controls be put in place so as to limit the potential damages cause by misaligned incentives from the various participants in the system.

Except decentralization is only a scarce resource if we make it such. The node problem seems to be more reliant on the popularity of Bitcoin than the technical demands for running a full node. People need to believe in the project and get excited for it to bother with maintaining a node. The reason we've had a decline is because a lot of people lost faith in Bitcoin in the recent downturn. The technical demands are secondary.

That is absolutely not true as evidenced by the numerous accounts of interested individuals who have had no choice but to stop running their full nodes because of technical constraints.

As the blockchain continues to grow the resources required to fully validate one's own transactions will necessarily continue to increase.



You'll find anecdotal evidence for everything, and there's no denying that people have different points where they find they cannot/will not continue running a node, but the fact that those people are not being replaced at a higher rate has much to do, in my opinion, with the stagnation in price since the last bubble and the lack of attractive use cases. Hopefully there will be more attractive use cases for ordinary people after the next peak. Use cases that will make Bitcoin more relevant to people and help the number of nodes to grow. Nodes run on enthusiasm and nerd-cred.

Here's another anecdotal evidence: the number of nodes did not increase with the latest price rise.

There is nothing in what I wrote that should lead you to think that it should have.



2963. Post 12728192 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Baaaaahhhh....

Let the rally continue.

ENGAGE!



2964. Post 12728690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):


Jesus, lambie! Go mindrape someone else. I've got a list.



2965. Post 12728843 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 19, 2015, 03:06:54 PM
Jesus, lambie! Go mindrape someone else. I've got a list.
Look, I realize how embarrassing it must be to so willingly sell out to Big Business, only to learn that no one's buying.
On the other hand, if I don't continuously rub your nose in your shame -- reminding you, again and again and again, of that really embarrassing thing you'd rather forget -- just how do you expect to learn from this experience? Hmm?

Lol! Are you fishing or do you think you know something?



2966. Post 12728995 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 19, 2015, 03:28:42 PM
Jesus, lambie! Go mindrape someone else. I've got a list.
Look, I realize how embarrassing it must be to so willingly sell out to Big Business, only to learn that no one's buying.
On the other hand, if I don't continuously rub your nose in your shame -- reminding you, again and again and again, of that really embarrassing thing you'd rather forget -- just how do you expect to learn from this experience? Hmm?

Lol! Are you fishing or do you think you know something?

Come on! Who umongst us hasn't dreamt of brothers Wink charging in on twin unicorns and bending us over the rainbow?
No shame in that, everyone does it.

Wow! You're a fucking wizard!



2967. Post 12730570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: ElectricMucus on October 19, 2015, 06:26:57 PM

Sources? lel. Roll Eyes



I'm sure they weren't just knocked up to be dropped in the wall observer thread. It does look like fairly wild speculation but I'd like to read more.

It's from a wishful thinking "hypothetical", in small text article from the XT cult.

But isn't it good that someone is doing some thinking, wishful or otherwise?



2968. Post 12734851 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):


BTC-E is pushing up the rear. Up?




2969. Post 12736237 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

I'm not an anrcho-capitalist-liberal-libertarian-anti-corporation-anti-statist... but, if you want to know why I think Bitcoin is important and why it's wise not to use your own name in every blimmin account on the internet, in the name of "being honest, being real". Especially sites like Twitter, Facebook, Google, et al.

Well here it is: http://brettpthomas.com/online-porn-could-be-the-next-big-privacy-scandal.html

Porn is, of course, a saucy subject. But I might not want my business partners, or people I have dealings with, to have immediate access to all my opinions on economics, Israel-Palestine, Animal Cruelty, and so on. Even my Star Trek Movie rankings is probably best lost in the great sea of stupid opinions.

We have a whole generation of kids who are thought to be "careful with the internet", but at the same time are strongly encouraged to sign every daft thought or picture with full name and address. People are going to get hurt by this.



2970. Post 12737912 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 20, 2015, 02:36:53 PM
the only arrogance that I am witnessing here day after day is coming from the bulls who are calling, again, for the reversal in a long bear market and with no fundamentals for it.

Baaaaaahhhh...

Don't know what you mean.

Baaaaaahhhhhh.....




2971. Post 12738066 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

@noob2001

Cool nick!

I can see into the future. You're gonna put on some weight.



2972. Post 12738793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Don't know if repost.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115435/china-unofficially-authorizes-bitcoin-price-turns-bullish



2973. Post 12738922 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):




2974. Post 12738989 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 20, 2015, 04:50:58 PM



Thanks for the link.  That's a very interesting development to potentially drive BTC prices skyward.

 

And if this:

http://www.coindesk.com/european-court-of-justice-set-for-bitcoin-vat-decision/

goes the right way as well...

cccp ccmf



2975. Post 12739051 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 20, 2015, 05:02:10 PM

ok guys.... this change everything, i see 10000 next year or even 100.000  that is after China officially give green light to bitcoin.   Wink

hahahahahahahahahaha

You going to take back your previous comment regarding "stagnant through December"  ?

sure if this is true and the news is real, dammnn China has what ? like 1/4 of world population ?  and they sure love to gamble/invest/moving money...

 
but... sometimes they post wrong article u know...  Tongue


Yes, it is good for you to qualify your assertion - especially since in the BTC space, we have experienced quite a few ambiguities regarding translations and culture, etc etc. when it comes to China news.


I don't really trust cointelegraph, so I thought I'd drop it in here and hear what you people had to say.



2976. Post 12739089 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: chennan on October 20, 2015, 05:04:58 PM



Thanks for the link.  That's a very interesting development to potentially drive BTC prices skyward.

 

Ok, so question... If bitcoins prices do end up "sky rocketing" when China gives the green light... Wouldn't this in turn just demotivate China's government once again? The main point of the article was saying that China is starting to like Bitcoin because it's less volatile and can be regulated... If prices sore upwards, there is a bigger chance of a huge dump, and probably drive their government away...

Or am I just reading too much into this?

Nope, that sounds about right. We're looking at an exact copy of late 2013.



2977. Post 12739344 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on October 20, 2015, 05:26:20 PM

ok guys.... this change everything, i see 10000 next year or even 100.000  that is after China officially give green light to bitcoin.   Wink

hahahahahahahahahaha

You going to take back your previous comment regarding "stagnant through December"  ?

sure if this is true and the news is real, dammnn China has what ? like 1/4 of world population ?  and they sure love to gamble/invest/moving money...

 
but... sometimes they post wrong article u know...  Tongue


Yes, it is good for you to qualify your assertion - especially since in the BTC space, we have experienced quite a few ambiguities regarding translations and culture, etc etc. when it comes to China news.


I don't really trust cointelegraph, so I thought I'd drop it in here and hear what you people had to say.

They basically just stole this article: http://shitco.in/2015/10/19/china-unbans-bitcoin/

If it makes you feel any better...

not really



2978. Post 12739704 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: nioc on October 20, 2015, 06:18:05 PM
damn you guys, you just made me buy more at this price.  Baaaaaaaaa

Baaaaaaaa



2979. Post 12739874 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 20, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
damn you guys, you just made me buy more at this price.  Baaaaaaaaa

Baaaaaaaa


Anything under $1,000 is a good deal.  


Remember the good ole days, when we used to say that?  

We'll say it again soon.

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on October 20, 2015, 06:38:58 PM
Okay this is it, I am shorting here. Cool

Call me crazy...



2980. Post 12740130 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: gentlemand on October 20, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
I've read elsewhere that the Chinese themselves are a bit stumped as to what it means. As ever it's a rather obtuse place. Not sure anyone in authority there can be depended on to be consistent. That ain't how they  roll.

What could possibly go wrong?



You're right of course. Just look at how they dealt with the stockmarket this summer. And commodities before that. And banks. And Bitcoin in 2013. Looks like the chapter on "Rule of Law" got fucked over by Google Translate.



2981. Post 12740662 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on October 20, 2015, 07:43:36 PM
Mind blown in 3. . . 2. . . 1. . .

http://s10.postimg.org/92nbd66bt/btcchart10202015.png

Could this be the rise to $10,000 USD / BTC ? ? ?

If this is indeed a parallel universe we are living in then we aren't jumping to 10k, top to top last bubble was only 400%, so top of the next one would be $4800

I wish i had a gif for this as I make a fairly satisfied face and nod.



Is this any good?



2982. Post 12740766 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 20, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
I have a better one.








2983. Post 12740847 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on October 20, 2015, 08:40:10 PM
Mind blown in 3. . . 2. . . 1. . .

http://s10.postimg.org/92nbd66bt/btcchart10202015.png

Could this be the rise to $10,000 USD / BTC ? ? ?

If this is indeed a parallel universe we are living in then we aren't jumping to 10k, top to top last bubble was only 400%, so top of the next one would be $4800

I wish i had a gif for this as I make a fairly satisfied face and nod.



Is this any good?

Exactly what I was doing! Spot on



2984. Post 12741444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: !! pop on October 20, 2015, 10:00:22 PM
Even MMM Global Republic of Bitcoin: Crypto's Next Scandal can't keep bitcoin above 270 Sad

Come on, fellow bulls, they think they won, but they didn't! Let's all show those smug bears what we're made of! I'm all in, who's with me?

You and me, lambie!!!11!1!!one





2985. Post 12741587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

$734



2986. Post 12747508 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: hdbuck on October 21, 2015, 01:19:13 PM
I believe Bitcoin will serve as Digital gold it will always be around since it was first.

Will we use BTC for day to day purchases? ....no.

We will use another blockchain based coin that is more common than  BTC and less costly to mine

BTC will always carry that intrinsic value since it was first.

There is no purpose for bitcoin to be digital gold if another blockchain is widely used. That blockchain will turn out to be the true digital gold.

lel still havent laid off the crackpipe i see.

Right. I still havent laid off reality. No one but a niche group cares about bitcoin "as is". Get used to that.


reality it is:



now who is the niche group again? ^^

oh you must be one of the banking/corporatist cheerleader gettin all wet and that for some smokey "blockchain technology".

eh anyway, giving you too much attention already.

Trolololololooolololololololllllllll!!!!!!!



2987. Post 12747885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 21, 2015, 04:28:58 PM
volume is now irrelevant thanks to bot trading/china.

did I hear cup and handle? probably will end up like the one in july: mucho pain for the bulls. Grin



If it doesn't go up it will go back to ranging. No fun for bears either.

Wouldn't you like to put your space suit on?




2988. Post 12748215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: noob2001 on October 21, 2015, 04:32:36 PM
time to dust off the lambo sales brochure

http://www.lamborghini.com/en/models/aventador-lp-700-4/overview/#!slide/1



2989. Post 12752350 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

@Holliday

Thanks for a properly solid contribution! Well thought, well written.



2990. Post 12752837 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on October 22, 2015, 06:18:16 AM

Limiting the number of peers you will allow to your node in line with your bandwidth and data cap limitations seems a reasonable response vs halting the capacity growth of the entire network. Miners also have limits as to what makes sense for them, too big of a block means an undue orphan risk... a free market check on blocksize growth.


Just make sure you take this into account:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1scd4z/im_running_a_full_node_and_so_should_you/cdw3lrh?context=3

"gavinandresen: Most ordinary folks should NOT be running a full node. We need full nodes that are always on, have more than 8 connections (if you have only 8 then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution), and have a high-bandwidth connection to the Internet.
So: if you've got an extra virtual machine with enough memory in a data center, then yes, please, run a full node."

"JochenKlump: do you mind explaining why nodes which allow only 8 connections create a problem?"

"dustcoin: The number of connections itself does not cause a problem. Having a maximum of 8 connections corresponds to bitcoin not being set up to listen to the outside world on port 8333, usually due to a router or firewall. If a node is not listening for connections, then it can only connect to existing nodes that have their port open. Nodes without their port open cannot make connections with nodes joining the network or looking for more connections. By running a node without the port open, you are essentially taking resources from the network but not giving anything back yourself.
TL;DR: Port 8333 Closed = Leeching, Port 8333 Listening = Seeding"


Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 22, 2015, 06:58:44 AM
@Holliday

Thanks for a properly solid contribution! Well thought, well written.

Yes, if only he could finally decide...





The decision has been made




"He knows when you are sleeping,
 He knows when you're on the can,
 He'll hunt you down and blast your ass from here to Pakistan.
 Oh, You'd better not breathe, you'd better not move,
 You're better off dead, I'm telling you, dude.
 Santa Claus is gunning you down!"





2991. Post 12754193 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):



can't talk

must party

ccmf



2992. Post 12754297 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Tzupy on October 22, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
China may not care about, but Europeans do:
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-is-exempt-from-vat-says-european-court-of-justice/


CCMF!!!

I'm so giddy I think I used the wrong gif!



2993. Post 12754515 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 22, 2015, 11:31:50 AM
This price surge seems to be led by the Western exchanges, and must be due to the European VAT ruling.

Were there any countries where bitcoin trades were already paying VAT (or inhibited because of it)? In Sweden maybe? In the UK?

Norway 25%



2994. Post 12754836 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 22, 2015, 12:15:33 PM
^^^
Aren't most bitcoin exchanges registered in places like Uganda, Somalia and Uzbekistan anyhow? What's with all the hubbub?

You're thinking of yellowcake.



2995. Post 12754931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 22, 2015, 12:28:30 PM
yolalanda is right. this story about eur vat is purely a coincidence. I mean bs coincidence. this move like any other in this market was orchestrated by institutional investors, whales.

just few hours before the move a newbie  Roll Eyes actually posted here a thread here about price going 5~10 $ up because of it.  

uber-bullish and all, time to open more shorts.

It is confirmed then. Institutional investors are flocking to Bitcoin.

CCMF!!!



2996. Post 12755914 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: celebreze32 on October 22, 2015, 01:37:16 PM
I was too early with selling the news a few days ago.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.

What's the opposite of a dead cat bounce called? How do you know this isn't a small retrace before the price continues to rise higher? I didn't notice any posts here discussing rumors about the VAT decision. I couldn't find any threads about it until the news got out, and I didn't know anything about it until then. I doubt many others were buying the rumor if there were no rumors flying around here.

It has been discussed in the new forum. There's been some migration since it turned out that Theymos is everything Bitcoin is opposed to.


https://bitco.in/forum/threads/wall-observer.27/page-12#post-2567



2997. Post 12756217 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 02:25:14 PM


(Without some automatic and economically sound fee adjustment mechanism, a workaround would be to have a governing body like the international commission that defines and updates (by voting) the Metric System: with no legal power, but with effective moral power derived from competence and representativity.  But try telling that to the libertarians...)

What makes you think libertarians would object to that? Our problem is the initiation of force. Our core value is the NonAgression Principle. Obviously society needs order and structure. Obviously there needs to be rules. We just want those rules to be enforced by imposing opportunity costs and to reserve violence for defensive purposes only.  Nothing in your workaround violates that.

maybe Prof. Jorge think that libertarian means anarchist.  were it was the same, we shouldnt make 2 word out of it isnt ?
btw : price rises another 10 usd wow... im impressed  Grin

This is debated commonly among anarcho-capitalists. We are so different ideologically from anarcho-socialists (the original anarchist, most common type, and the ones most people think bout when they hear the word "anarchist") that it may not even be helpful to use the word at all.

If "anarchist" means "no rulers" or "no monopoly State", then I qualify, but not if it means "no leaders" or no hierarchies at all, then, well that's just stupid.

I'm a hard core free market dude who opposes aggression and coercion.  Some day hopefully there will be enough of us that we can get our own non-hyphenated word.

You've had a bunch of southern racists and a certain australian media mogul telling you for decades that you shouldn't learn about true liberalism and true socialism. That's what makes the US of A such a fucked up place. A strong state is important.  True liberal values are important. A strong democracy is important. The political analfabetism of americans is what's destroying America.



2998. Post 12757013 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 03:27:45 PM

You've had a bunch of southern racists and a certain australian media mogul telling you for decades that you shouldn't learn about true liberalism and true socialism. That's what makes the US of A such a fucked up place. A strong state is important.  True liberal values are important. A strong democracy is important. The political analfabetism of americans is what's destroying America.

Are you serious? You think we get our ideas from Rupert Murdoch?  We have the largest economy in the world because of...what exactly? The Teamsters?

You don't, that's the EU. If you're talking about sovereign state economy, it's because you have one of the largest populations in the world.

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Ah, yes."true socialism". Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried because it wasn't "true socialism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

This sort of speaks to my point. You only refer to socialism as a charicatured bogey. If you've ever spent some time in Sweden, or comparable social democracies, you'd know that the whole basis of the american political debate is perversely skewed to the right.

This hostility you feel towards the state is due to the democratic deficit in the US political system caused by the demonization of the left, intellectual laziness and conformity.

Your anarcho-liberal stance is a conform expression of your unease with this democratic deficit.

Grow some balls! Fight for a state that works FOR the people!



2999. Post 12757148 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 22, 2015, 04:33:06 PM
Sweden's wealth was originally built on the grounds of strong free-market capitalism

It still is. There is no necessary contradiction in a modern social democracy. Why do you think the Swedes didn't bail out SAAB or Volvo like the US bailed out GM and Chrysler?

"It's not the role of the state to build cars."



3000. Post 12757914 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 04:40:33 PM

You've had a bunch of southern racists and a certain australian media mogul telling you for decades that you shouldn't learn about true liberalism and true socialism. That's what makes the US of A such a fucked up place. A strong state is important.  True liberal values are important. A strong democracy is important. The political analfabetism of americans is what's destroying America.

Are you serious? You think we get our ideas from Rupert Murdoch?  We have the largest economy in the world because of...what exactly? The Teamsters?

You don't, that's the EU. If you're talking about nation state economy, it's because you have one of the largest populations in the world.

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Ah, yes."true socialism". Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried because it wasn't "true socialism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

This sort of speaks to my point. You only refer to socialism as a charicatured bogey. If you've ever spent some time in Sweden, or comparable social democracies, you'd know that the whole basis of the american political debate is perversely skewed to the right.

This hostility you feel towards the state is due to the democratic deficit in the US political system caused by the demonization of the left, intellectual laziness and conformity.

Your anarcho-liberal stance is a conform expression of your unease with this democratic deficit.

Grow some balls! Fight for a state that works FOR the people!

So which is it? If Europe is one economy, then you can't use just a part of it like Sweden as an example of success.  I could cherry pick a few states that do better than the rest as a rebuttal, perhaps one with ethnic homogeneity like Sweden.

....Europe is a continent.

The EU is a supranantional political and economic union where each country remains sovereign states but in most respects function as a singular economy together. Sweden is a sovereign nation state which also happens to be part of the EU. I don't know how much clearer I can get. If it helps, my interpretation of "the largest economy in the world" is in line with that of The IMF, The World Bank and The CIA World Fact Book (link). The UN still ranks you 1st though.

If I was cherry picking I would pick my own country, Norway, but I don't think it is representative. Not so much because of the fact that it's far more homogeneous, but because its economy is fueled by copious amounts of oil and gas. Sweden is among the most liberal on immigration in Europe and as a result 26.5% of its population are immigrants. The homogeneity of a country is only an issue where racism is such that people don't want to take part in a system where people of another ethnicity might benefit.

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
I don't need to caricature socialism. I have North Korea.

Of course, if you think hereditary stalinist totalitarianism is representative for all socialist thought then I guess you don't have to spend any more energy thinking about this stuff.

Congratulations! Argument Won!



Did I mention intellectual laziness?

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 04:40:33 PM
No State works for the people. If they did, they wouldn't need to be supported involuntarily through taxes.

Would it help if I used p2p terminology and refer to it as a "leecher problem"?



3001. Post 12757988 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Richy_T on October 22, 2015, 05:54:59 PM
It still is. There is no necessary contradiction in a modern social democracy. Why do you think the Swedes didn't bail out SAAB or Volvo like the US bailed out GM and Chrysler?

Yup, just like it's perfectly possible to live a pretty good life with a 3lb tapeworm in your gut. The most successful parasites take a long time to kill the host.

If the tapeworm provides free health care then Bob's your uncle.



3002. Post 12758793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 07:51:13 PM

This hostility you feel towards the state is due to the democratic deficit in the US political system caused by the demonization of the left, intellectual laziness and conformity.

The demonization of the left on Fox News is countered by the demonization of the right and free market in general on CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and basically Hollywood, New York, and Washington D.C.  
...no. They're more or less right wing as well. Some peer to the center now and then.
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....Europe is a continent.

The EU is a supranantional political and economic union where each country remains sovereign states but in most respects function as a singular economy together. Sweden is a sovereign nation state which also happens to be part of the EU. I don't know how much clearer I can get. If it helps, my interpretation of "the largest economy in the world" is in line with that of The IMF, The World Bank and The CIA World Fact Book (link). The UN still ranks you 1st though.

Sweden isn't even in the Monetary Union. They have their own currency.  Why not use Greece, Italy, Portugal, Ireland or Spain?   Perhaps because Catholic countries lack the protestant work ethic that both Sweden and The U.S. have? (ok, had. Both countries are going to shit at a rapid pace, just not as fast as the PIIGS.)


The monetary union is just one layer of the economic union. But your original complaint was that the connection was too close?!? Anyhew, I didn't choose those other countries because I didn't think they were good examples. Four of them have been struggling with right wing extremism, three until quite recently. I guess I could have used Ireland, but I've never been there. I don't know that much about it. But if you want to bash Ireland, go ahead. I seem to remember they were referred to as the celtic tiger economy a while back.

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Of course, if you think hereditary stalinist totalitarianism is representative for all socialist thought then I guess you don't have to spend any more energy thinking about this stuff.

Congratulations! Argument Won!

Stalinist means socialism.: ok, how about East Germany, Yugoslavia, Cuba, Poland, Russia (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Syria, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Venezuela...

Congratulations again! All fine examples of modern social democracies! (Poland? Ok, whatever.)

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Would it help if I used p2p terminology and refer to it as a "leecher problem"?

Both systems have free riders.  Socialist countries provide healthcare, etc for everyone, regardless of their productivity.  Capitalism has businesses that externalize costs, etc.  There is no real solution to leeches short of exterminating them like the National Socialists did.


Oh, the nazis had the word socialist in their party's name, therefore they must be the pinnacle of socialism.  I hope you are being intellectually dishonest. If not, then this is the perfect example of the political analphabetism mentioned earlier.



3003. Post 12758983 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 08:03:29 PM
Perhaps you mean DEMOCRATIC socialism, like the People's DEMOCRATIC Reublic of Korea, Like the People's Republic of China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Lao People's Democratic Republic, and don't forget former East Germany—the German Democratic Republic.

Not THAT kind of democracy. Ok let's be SUPER FAIR and use a European country, the Birthplace of democracy: Greece. The people Elected a PM and a Ruling party specifically to end Austerity. What happened? Austerity. This in spite of a national referendum specifically to reject austerity.  Yeah, democracy!

Democratic Socialism isn't just evil. It doesn't even work. 

You may say it's a perversion of democracy, but what good is a democracy so easily perverted? 

You're not even cherry picking. You're just ranting.

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Sweden has it's own currency. It isn't even in the Monetary Union. To claim Europe's economy is bigger than the U.S. by including them (and presumably Great Britain, Switzerland etc) is disingenuous.  If you include them, then you must also include eastern Europe, the Balkans, etc.

Look, retard, I never said anything about Europe. I even tried to explain to you that Europe was a continent, not an economic entity. What I, The IMF, The World Bank, and your friggin CIA has been talking about is = THE EUROPEAN UNION
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You say our population is large, then how about comparing per capita income? Again, including Turkey, Slovenia, etc.  After tax per capita income makes us Yanks look even better. We made so much money we could afford to bail out Europe and defend your asses when attacked from National SOCIALISTS or threatened by the Union of SOCIALIST Soviet republics. 

US Nominal GDP per capita is greater than that of the EU as a whole, I have no problem with that. This isn't a contest.

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Sweden, like America, is coasting. We are enjoying the benefits of the freedoms of earlier, more economically free generations. They built up credit and now we are living off of it. Those benefits are running out. Greece is the Ghosts of Christmas Future.
... The US had a budget surplus when Bush Jr took over and introduced Big-Government Conservatism. Socialists didn't flush the american economy down the toilet, right wing loons did. I know we're supposed to blame Obama, but the only mistake he made was that he thought he could work with the republicans. He should have run them over. They're bad for the country.



3004. Post 12759088 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 08:53:55 PM
We're talking about collectivism vs. individualism.  Take all the victims of all the individual serial killers in the world, add them up and compare the numbers to those murdered by the State and see what you come up with. Hell, take all the murders ever committed by anyone not in a uniform or a robe and stack them up against the victims of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hussein, and Pol Pot. 

No, we're not. That's the point. You're not allowing your brain to process what I'm saying because your conformist mind won't allow you to agree with any socialist ideas. So you throw every extreme example of socialist (and for some reason, fascist) tyranny in my face to shut me up and convince yourself that you won't have to break out of your conformist world view.

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You claim to care about minorities. The smallest minority is the individual. Care about him. 

I do. And I want that individual to be protected by a welfare state which has complete monopoly of violence and works according to the rule of law.



3005. Post 12759312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 09:33:51 PM


Look, retard, I never said anything about Europe. I even tried to explain to you that Europe was a continent, not an economic entity.

This whole thing started when I said that the U.S.A. was the world's largest economy. You brought up Europe as a counterclaim and now you are saying it's not an economic entity. What the fuck, Man?


Read it out loud, it usually helps me.

Quote from: Fatman3001 on October 22, 2015, 04:30:17 PM

Are you serious? You think we get our ideas from Rupert Murdoch?  We have the largest economy in the world because of...what exactly? The Teamsters?

You don't, that's the EU. If you're talking about sovereign state economy, it's because you have one of the largest populations in the world.



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... The US had a budget surplus when Bush Jr took over and introduced Big-Government Conservatism. Socialists didn't flush the american economy down the toilet, right wing loons did. I know we're supposed to blame Obama, but the only mistake he made was that he thought he could work with the republicans. He should have run them over. They're bad for the country.

You won't catch me defending that idiot Bush.  He himself said he had to "sacrifice his free market principles in order to save the free market" meaning of course he had no free market principles. It could be argued that is was a Republican congress who gave us the budget surplus under Clinton, but I won't. It was additional tax revenues from the loose money boom and stock bubble caused by Fed Chair Alan Greenspan.
Also from low oil prices when the U.S. was a net importer.

I'm not a conservative but get your facts strait. Bush was not right wing. He's the son of Rockefeller Republican GHW Bush. He federalized education (no child left behind), appointed exclusively Catholics and Jews to the supreme court (not wrong, but not conservative either), and increased immigration from Latin countries. Again, I am not criticizing those policies here, but bush was an establishment warmonger, not even a conservative socially. Absolutely, incontrovertibly not a fiscal conservative. 


You think appointing jews and catholics is "not conservative"?

Suddenly I understand why americans don't like to talk about politics.

Oh, and this:

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 03:27:45 PM
Ah, yes."[true conservatism]". [Conservatism] has failed everywhere it's been tried because it wasn't "[true conservatism]".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman



3006. Post 12759466 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
I want that individual to be protected by a welfare state which has complete monopoly of violence and works according to the rule of law.

A system where the State violates the very rules in enforces on others (especially re the initiation of force and coercion) is not Rule of Law. it is Rule of Man.  A government that selectively interprets and enforces the very Constitution that supposedly limits its power is not limited.

The government cannot provide anything that it does not forcibly take away in the first place (by taxing) or by borrowing (promising to tax in the future). The State cannot credibly protect rights when it is dependent on violating rights (extortion-taxes, potato-spud) just to exist.

Anarcho-capitalism is the only system that consistently applies the only three rules society needs: don't  hurt or threaten people. Don't take or mess with their property. Keep your promises. That is Rule of Law.

You want to help people in need. Good. Most people do or we wouldn't have subsidized healthcare, etc. But you want other people to pay their "fair share" even if they don't want to. There's no such thing as a "fair share" taken by force.  Forced contribution is as close to charity as rape is to love. In other words, you're monsters masquerading as philanthropists. Fuck you. My money is my money and nobody should tell me what to do with it, least of all some economically illiterate morons with good intentions.

Subsidize poverty, you get more poverty. Tax wealth and you get less wealth. Regulate innovation and you get less innovation. 

You're making the same mistake the communists made. You demand that there be no plurality of political conviction. Your "system" will fail if there's a group of "statists" among you, so you'll have to keep an eye out for "statist sentiments". And so on...



3007. Post 12759492 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: oda.krell on October 22, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
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You're entirely to moderate and realistically rational for this venue, I'm afraid.

Not really. I'll tell you a little secret: I'm not even a socialist.



3008. Post 12759590 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on October 22, 2015, 10:36:02 PM
You're making the same mistake the communists made. You demand that there be no plurality of political conviction. Your "system" will fail if there's a group of "statists" among you, so you'll have to keep an eye out for "statist sentiments". And so on...

I demand nothing. I cannot use force or threat of force to impose my ideas. I simply think the State will destroy itself and I will try to help provide an alternative.

The only thing you could say I demand is a sincere or at least entertaining discussion or I will not participate. Not a big loss if you don't value my contribution.

I think there will always be a few Statist around and that will be useful to remind us why we abandoned Statism.



I'm sorry. Bad humour. I actually consider myself a social liberalist, but in your eyes it would probably look like socialism anyways. I don't think I've written anything I don't believe in. Sorry for calling you a retard though. Sometimes the setup is just too good to pass. 



3009. Post 12763726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: _biO_ on October 23, 2015, 10:45:37 AM
Posting guild lines:
 Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any off topic posts )

He started out with good intentions. But the result... IS EVEN BETTER!!!

Quote from: adamstgBit on October 06, 2015, 06:51:06 PM

I want bigger blooooocks!

Bigger blocks would require a good deal of adoption, which has yet to happen. Whether you want the limit raised or not. Cheesy
I WANT I WANT I WAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTT




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3011. Post 12770662 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: r0ach on October 24, 2015, 07:47:41 AM
We're probably at a bit of a tipping point now sitting at 280. I can't see us staying at 280 for long. I think we'll swing fairly significantly either way but which way?

I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said bitcoin and it had Jorge Stolfi in the mirror.  If anything I could tell you this cab was rare, but I thought man forget it, yo holmes to $400.



That is the greatest thing I ever saw.

My life is without meaning now.



3012. Post 12775351 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):



Hmmmm... The mods are back. I guess they think we're going up and don't want our stoopid to spoil it.



3013. Post 12779130 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: becoin on October 25, 2015, 07:16:40 AM
I'm lending out my fiat for $5/day for every $10,000.  I don't care if it ever comes back down.
Looser
Nah, tighter



3014. Post 12779202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: Denker on October 25, 2015, 07:47:36 AM
What the hell is going on? I woke up, switched on my computer, checked bitcoinwisdom and I couldn't believe the charts I was seeing.
Any specific trigger the last few hours? Is the space ship finally taking off?  Cheesy Wink
No no of course this is great but let's see how far it goes.I learned not to get too excited over the last year.I hope the baby is not going up full throttle.3rd gear would be ok for now.

Bitcoins potential is being confirmed on several fronts and selling is exhausted on a large time frame.



3015. Post 12779415 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.28h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on October 25, 2015, 08:20:17 AM
wonder if troll tarmi's  $258 short is still holding strong?

When the dust settles he'll come here and tell us how he nailed every drop and rise.



3016. Post 12781123 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: rpietila on October 25, 2015, 11:08:28 AM
How many people committed suicide (or were thrown back into abject, inescapable poverty) when the Brazilian command and control fiat monetary system last collapsed (for the umpteenth time in a row)??

Bible predicts that 1/3 of mankind will perish in famine, war and disease when the U.S. fiat money ends.

You should probably be careful with dragging God and his Mexican carpenter buddy into this.




3017. Post 12782497 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


I don't like this. Now I have something to lose.




3018. Post 12783702 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

I'm waiting for +50% of the posts to be someone else than me, lambie, stolfi, LFC and BJA.

Then I will go into full retard bull mode.




3019. Post 12784023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: nioc on October 25, 2015, 05:59:33 PM
happy to oblige. today I saw a vanity license plate that said TEAMBEAR

Sounds like tarmi. Was it a Yugo?



3020. Post 12785952 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: Harpua on October 25, 2015, 10:31:54 PM

That's a picture of BitPop. Shroomsy started out on bitcointalk by selling mushroom kits for Bitcoins by mail order from Holland. That picture of BitPop doesn't look like someone who's into hallucinogenic mushrooms. Are you saying Shroomsy the bear is BitPop the bull who started off his own BitPop coin?

But is it really him? That's a very famous photo and I remember him putting up a modern image. I could see somewhere around zero resemblance but congrats if it is him.



I get your point after a Google image search for it, I didn't know how famous that picture is. That picture's used by hundreds of websites to depict a computer nerd. There's an artist who reproduced it as a painting entitled "Nerd in the Basement" which he's trying to sell on Amazon for $2,775.00. The artist says it's based on an an Internet meme image.


http://www.amazon.com/Nerd-in-the-Basement/dp/B00L849CSS

Rose Briccetti
Nerd in the Basement, 2007
 
Oil
Unique Work
Size : 44 x 46 x 2 in.
Price:   $2,775.00
Sale:   $2,220.00 & FREE Shipping


http://s18.postimg.org/jlb35aaix/nerd.jpg

Hahaha, could you imagine a world where that painting will end up becoming the next "Mona Lisa" in the future?  This could end up being a steal at $2,800 Wink

Sure, they made a movie about it.




3021. Post 12788432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


Ok, I'm back.

CCMF!!!



3022. Post 12790100 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: Searing on October 26, 2015, 08:13:10 AM

Ok, I'm back.

CCMF!!!

You forgot the 'obligatory' Train!



Damn! That is one 'lame' Train Smiley

(Hey going with the 'I think I can, I think I can, theme here from my childhood..don't kill the dream) Smiley



No one is going to get hurt. Just keep clear of the rails.




3023. Post 12791373 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: lemmyK on October 26, 2015, 02:23:07 PM
Countries and regimes in them as they are in Russia. Cina, Scandinavia .. where extremes watch everything, or tax, or are there high tariffs on imports or any form of utilitarianism. It  will always guarantee the bitcoin never fall... Wink Smiley

....scandinavia?




3024. Post 12791589 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 26, 2015, 02:40:16 PM
....scandinavia?

He means Norway -- the worst of the worst.

>or any form of utilitarianism.



Mill is a good read. Flows well.



3025. Post 12792169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: lemmyK on October 26, 2015, 03:10:29 PM
Countries and regimes in them as they are in Russia. Cina, Scandinavia .. where extremes watch everything, or tax, or are there high tariffs on imports or any form of utilitarianism. It  will always guarantee the bitcoin never fall... Wink Smiley

....scandinavia?



[The Concise Oxford Dictionary]
SCANDINAVIAN
1. a native or inhabitant of Scandinavia (Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Iceland).   Kiss Cheesy 

.... that's the language group. Iceland isn't part of Scandinavia.

Anyhew, what's your beef with us?



3026. Post 12792801 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: NSA360 on October 26, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
Possibly part of the explanation for low Gemini volume, and even lower volume on the weekends, so far.

Gemini does seem to be slow as fuck to get deposits.

On 10/16 I sent a fiat deposit to Gemini and I sent one to Coinbase.  I received my Coinbase deposit on 10/22, and I just today received my Gemini deposit.  Actually I recall initiating the Gemini deposit process several hours before I initiated the Coinbase deposit. 

Whats so special about gemini? (cant register, im outside USA)
That twins are so dumb. They bought coins around 400-500.. another failed investment as i see  Grin
FaceCoins, this time

??

They bought their stash in 2012.



3027. Post 12793119 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: NSA360 on October 26, 2015, 05:44:12 PM

Whats so special about gemini? (cant register, im outside USA)
That twins are so dumb. They bought coins around 400-500.. another failed investment as i see  Grin
FaceCoins, this time

They finished the vast majority of their buying well under the sub $10 range.

Not true. They have said their average buy in is "around $100".

I saw once an article who said the price...damn, i cant find it now

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/11/09/the-11-million-in-bitcoins-the-winklevoss-brothers-bought-is-now-worth-32-million/

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/?_r=0




3028. Post 12793522 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


When are we going to shut down lambies new accounts (!!pop and yolalanda, in case you missed it)?



3029. Post 12794342 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 26, 2015, 08:24:35 PM
Possibly part of the explanation for low Gemini volume, and even lower volume on the weekends, so far.

Gemini does seem to be slow as fuck to get deposits.

On 10/16 I sent a fiat deposit to Gemini and I sent one to Coinbase.  I received my Coinbase deposit on 10/22, and I just today received my Gemini deposit.  Actually I recall initiating the Gemini deposit process several hours before I initiated the Coinbase deposit. 

Whats so special about gemini? (cant register, im outside USA)
That twins are so dumb. They bought coins around 400-500.. another failed investment as i see  Grin
FaceCoins, this time


Actually, as far as I can tell, I believe that Gemini is NOT really adding much of anything different from the Coinbase Exchange.

however, Gemini was touted as a means for institutional investors to have additional confidence in the security of their funds being on that exchange, but I am NOT sure whether that claim is true, so in that regard, I am NOT really sure what Gemini adds to the security of the Coinbase exchange. 

It is possible that some people are getting Gemini mixed up with the ETF that has NOT yet been approved, and there can be some credence that is provided to Gemini because the twins are simultaneously seeking approval of an ETF (which makes the twins, as a bitcoin business, distinguished from others in terms of their attempts to bring bitcoin to wallstreet).

I brought up my experience with delay in deposits, just to point out that slow deposits may be part of the explanation for their slow take-off in the BTC trading volume department - including further signs of low trading volume during the past couple of weekends.


You should work in a law firm specializing in delaying tactics. You could make millions.



3030. Post 12795991 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 27, 2015, 01:02:56 AM
Bitstamp bid support is growing like a boss. Love it.

Exactly what we need to ramp up to higher prices.

Sorry for the newb question... but where can I see instant transactions taking place on multiple exchange sites at once? 


You can also take a look at this:

https://hypron.net/bitcoinwisdom/

Thanks for this Smiley
$291.14 will now be memorialized.

$292.51 here Tongue

2x2 here



3031. Post 12797467 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


Ok, I'm back.

Let the rally continue!



3032. Post 12803880 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on October 27, 2015, 08:14:42 PM
^Adam posted, so down we go Sad

i was thinking the exact same thing as a was posting. i should leave this place for good, seriously.

Baaaaahhhhh!!11!!1!!111!!!!

BEER! BEER! BEER! BEER!




3033. Post 12807802 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on October 25, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
I'm waiting for +50% of the posts to be someone else than me, lambie, stolfi, LFC and BJA.

Then I will go into full retard bull mode.



7 pages since my previous post last night.

Ding, ding, ding!!!




3034. Post 12807897 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: petahashminer on October 28, 2015, 08:20:05 AM
I'm waiting for +50% of the posts to be someone else than me, lambie, stolfi, LFC and BJA.

Then I will go into full retard bull mode.



7 pages since my previous post last night.

Ding, ding, ding!!!



so? are you buying now?

In order to minimize my carbon footprint I only hold homemade coins.



3035. Post 12809274 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

BTC-E pushinng up the rear. Get ready for another move up.



3036. Post 12810787 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: brg444 on October 28, 2015, 02:15:03 PM

310-320 = resistance

I would be ok with that. Important is not to drop significantly.

i like that we are not in panicbuying-mode yet. slow and steady looks good so far.

if there is no panic buying, then why am I getting 0.09% DAILY interest on my fiat at BFX?



Let's see.. Last 24 Change: +3.08%

That's more than 0.09% interest. Better keep your holdings in BTC.  Wink

Early adopters like me keep the vast majority of our coins in cold storage. It's only my trading stash that's in fiat. 

So why the urgency for "MOAR TRANSACTIONS" then?



Cut that shit out!

It's money-counting-time!!!



3037. Post 12811447 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on October 28, 2015, 03:34:10 PM
A very good morning Bitcoinland.

Nice to see $300 broken and holding. No big freakout, just continued steady growth.

Next step - $320-330 and a new high for 2015.

Some people still clinging to the idea of a bear market?

While I think the bear market's long gone, I don't think it's CCMF time yet either.

Still waiting patiently for the train.



Cut back on the expensive coffee and get yourself some moar coinz!!! The CC is leaving the station MF!!!



3038. Post 12811815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


Auch!!



3039. Post 12811937 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: Auxi on October 28, 2015, 04:14:45 PM

Auch!!

Are you ok?
I could call a doctor

Yeah, I just didn't see that one coming.




3040. Post 12812486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


  "Leave Bitcoin alone!!!!"



3041. Post 12814372 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on October 28, 2015, 06:45:16 PM
http://bitco.in/forum for those who haven't left already

Frap.doc's Island of Misfit Gavinistas is a comedy gold mine.

I love how they spend most of their time raging and venting their hurt feelings about XT's miserable failure and the moderation at a forum they supposedly left and no longer care about.

But the funniest thing of all is a trait they share with /r/bitcoinxt, which is to complain about how much their crappy new rump forums suck compared to the "censored" places they left!

Here's a fresh, particularly hilarious example:

https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-79#post-2840


Jesus, you're an asshole!!

That poster in particular is a very good reason to follow the bitco.in forum.

It's a forum where I actually am content with just reading what smarter and better people than myself have to say,

rather than just go Baaaaahhhh!!! and post an offensive gif.




3042. Post 12814455 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: coinpr0n on October 28, 2015, 08:07:21 PM
Everytime Microsoft tried to step into something with their money, they failed badly. Grin Cheesy

Microsoft is truly reshaping itself as a fresh and a new company under Nadella.

Good things to come indeed.

What happened to those Bitshares?

What's impressive about Ethereum is that they mis-managed all that money and still somehow manage to find more funding.

Most their funding is in Bitcoin. Bitcoin's up.



3043. Post 12814978 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: aztecminer on October 28, 2015, 08:22:53 PM

7. bitcoin has NO PRIVACY... this makes it unconstitutional. EVERY transaction is recorded in the blockchain and can be traced. some of the more advanced bitcoin users watch stolen coins move from wallet to wallet all the time.. maybe watching for stolen coins moving is beneficial but clearly bitcoin is like an NSA spyware app.


The constitution regulates the way the government organizes itself. Because it's more difficult to change than regular laws, lawmakers like to stuff it with things they think needs this extra protection, often assorted human rights. But when someone claims that something is unconstitutional, he or she usually points to some action, intended or otherwise, that results in one part of government intervening in another part of governments sphere of power. Like when the military thinks it's best to take over control of the country. Or when a president or general assembly tries to intervene in a court verdict.

In what way, and by what constitution, is Bitcoin unconstitutional?




3044. Post 12815199 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: Richy_T on October 28, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
Most their funding is in Bitcoin. Bitcoin's up.

I think they sold a large chunk of it. I recall some kind of fuss at the time.

Yeah, you're right. They released their finances a month ago.

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-bitcoin-decline-9-million-funding-shortfall/

There's been some noise about Vitalik trying to find other funding solutions, but I don't know how far he's come.

I just hope they manage to release enough, with whatever funding they get hold of, to enable the community to take over the baton.

Ethereum isn't going replace Bitcoin. It's a platform for a new way of approaching the internet. It's the only alt project I see much point in.



3045. Post 12815562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: oda.krell on October 28, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
Ethereum isn't going replace Bitcoin. It's a platform for a new way of approaching the internet. It's the only alt project I see much point in.

Not a loaded question, just wondering if you have a better insight into this topic: Care to explain in one or two sentences what Ethereum can do that the Blockchain plus possibly pegged side chains plus some hardware infrastructure linked to these can't do? Never really understood the point of a "Turing complete crypto", I guess.

I guess the same thing can be achieved with Bitcoin and a sidechain: http://bravenewcoin.com/news/rootstock-is-coming-are-ethereums-days-numbered-or-will-the-18-million-dollar-idea-survive/

But I'm more comfortable with it having its own blockchain and not risk being limited by decisions tackling Bitcoin-specific problems (This stupid block size debate or just block time, which is 12s in ethereum ). Thus far it seems to add flexibility and robustness (I still don't understand how the sidechains are to be properly secured, we know how a blockchain is secured. It works.). And since the token is meant to be used to fuel Dapp/smart contract actions it will not be as vulnerable to price fluctuations as a token that is meant to work as a value carrier. Nor do I see "The Network Effect" as being an issue with Ethereum for much the same reason.




3046. Post 12815651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: TaurusBit on October 28, 2015, 11:15:44 PM
Ethereum isn't going replace Bitcoin. It's a platform for a new way of approaching the internet. It's the only alt project I see much point in.

Not a loaded question, just wondering if you have a better insight into this topic: Care to explain in one or two sentences what Ethereum can do that the Blockchain plus possibly pegged side chains plus some hardware infrastructure linked to these can't do? Never really understood the point of a "Turing complete crypto", I guess.

Eventually Bitcoin and side chains will probably make Ethereum useless. Until then, it's a good altcoin and PoC.  Wink

There's been suggestions that Ethereum might eventually turn itself into a sidechain. At least they get a head start.



3047. Post 12815744 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

As I see Blazin is here trying to pump eth I feel it's important to note that there's no good reason to buy eth unless you need it to run something on the ethereum network. There is no good reason why that token should be worth more than a couple of bucks. What we're seeing now in eth is P&D.



3048. Post 12818437 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

$310 was sooo pretty. Hope to see it again.



3049. Post 12818610 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

BTC-E joined the $300 party!



3050. Post 12818831 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on October 29, 2015, 10:01:35 AM
Why are the Chinese doing this now all of a sudden?

'Cause these are them cheap coinz!!!

Yeeeez!!! Don't you people ever listen?

Do you think I'm this guy?:


                        (...I miss that hat)

I've arrived at my conclusions through thorough analysis of the geopolitical and geoeconomical... stuff.

And my conclusion is that CC + MF = CCMF!!!

My contribution has been to post gifs to promote awareness.

It's not like I'm just using this forum as a therapy group to soothe my butthurt. Honestly!!!



3051. Post 12819364 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: aztecminer on October 29, 2015, 11:09:58 AM
The rise in the dollar price is impressive considering the dollar has also risen in the past few days.


not really... it s federal marshal's auction pump.. and who do we think is pumping it ?? i'm holding my mined coins so they can pump this as much as they want.. i'm still making money .. however, i am heavily, and i mean absolutely heavily inspired when i am butthurt. punishing me only makes me more resolved .. i been heavily inspired to write about this in my new book i am about to drop. when the federal govy pumps bitcoin to make more money from the bitcoins they confiscated yet ignore catastrophes then i think we have a problem .

Have you got a title for your new book yet?



3052. Post 12819584 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: oda.krell on October 29, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
Have you got a title for your new book yet?

Mein Kampf with Understanding the Market, maybe? :3

... where's the andromedan alien mermaids?

Edit: or was it andromedan martian mermaids?



3053. Post 12819797 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: ImI on October 29, 2015, 12:03:20 PM

china seems to wait for bitstamp

interesting to see how one tiny 1400 wall can easily stop them. i still think that china is 80% fake.


wut?





3054. Post 12820700 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: aztecminer on October 29, 2015, 01:27:21 PM
The rise in the dollar price is impressive considering the dollar has also risen in the past few days.


not really... it s federal marshal's auction pump.. and who do we think is pumping it ?? i'm holding my mined coins so they can pump this as much as they want.. i'm still making money .. however, i am heavily, and i mean absolutely heavily inspired when i am butthurt. punishing me only makes me more resolved .. i been heavily inspired to write about this in my new book i am about to drop. when the federal govy pumps bitcoin to make more money from the bitcoins they confiscated yet ignore catastrophes then i think we have a problem .

Have you got a title for your new book yet?


yep: https://www.facebook.com/vegasluna.net/photos/a.1607435732848533.1073741828.1607376682854438/1670362973222475/?type=3       btw its nothing personal or no hard feelings against you guys. if the bitcoin goes to the moon that will be great. i got a stash of coins in cold storage and i wont be tricked into selling them either. i'm holding them until the economic collapse or they are worth at least 32k each.

CRAP!!! You've got a story about a penguin and a penguin on the cover!!! You're going to sell millions!!! (Honestly, seriously! You scare the living crap out of me, but you've got crazy marketing skillz!!)

Can you please tell me it's fiction this time?




3055. Post 12820728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: spooderman on October 29, 2015, 01:33:50 PM
we are now leaving sparta behind?

this is boys

this is gentlemen

Agreed




3056. Post 12820840 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: barbs on October 29, 2015, 02:10:31 PM
Bears being ridiculed - check
Predictions of 30,000usd btc - check
Feelings of Euphoria - check
Train pics - some what lacking?

Conclusion : not yet time to sell but close

Not to tilt you off center, but what you're describing is the WO-thread.



3057. Post 12821588 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: aztecminer on October 29, 2015, 03:12:38 PM
The rise in the dollar price is impressive considering the dollar has also risen in the past few days.


not really... it s federal marshal's auction pump.. and who do we think is pumping it ?? i'm holding my mined coins so they can pump this as much as they want.. i'm still making money .. however, i am heavily, and i mean absolutely heavily inspired when i am butthurt. punishing me only makes me more resolved .. i been heavily inspired to write about this in my new book i am about to drop. when the federal govy pumps bitcoin to make more money from the bitcoins they confiscated yet ignore catastrophes then i think we have a problem .


If you believe that the fed govt is pumping this price, NOT only are you butt hurt, you are also delusional.


You can still buy and get in for under $320, which will be considered a bargain.....


pumping bitcoin for marshal's auction would be a typical obama strategy..... huge money grab... just like 2014 and 2015 taxes were record breakers.. just like obamacare is a huge money grab that is now failing miserably. when u look at the past every single thing obama has done has backfired.. obamacare is now a huge mess with people dropping out not paying their premiums because they have no money cuz they are being taxed outrageously high taxes,

i am NOT going to buy at 300+. as i said before I have more coins in cold storage than i have cash to buy more on the exchange.. if i buy at 300+ then the price will drop and i will lose.. i been down this road before.. instead, i will just become the enemy i have been turned into .. i'm not going to cooperate because this is not the first time this happen. this is the second time.. we didnt get evened up for the first time so we are doubling down.. should NOT have blocked my buy with that massive buy wall. that buy wall that blocked my buy is what i am upset about... and that buy wall was a bitfinex buy wall. i'm not going to make this easy and jump in at a higher price. i will just box. we'll get evened up eventually. shoulda just let me get my buy in when we were down there. thats all i was asking for. let me get my buy in. .. that did not happen because bitfinex put up a 5000 bitcoin buy wall right where my buy in was at.


Aztec, You really need to work on your ability to think critically and analytically.

And, for the love of all that is holy, don't buy a gun!!!



3058. Post 12821664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: aztecminer on October 29, 2015, 03:20:33 PM
pumping bitcoin for marshal's auction would be a typical obama strategy..... huge money grab...
(blahblahblahblah...)

Are you drunk or stupid or both?


yeah right... bitcoin is rising cuz.... bitcoin................... stop brushing your teeth with fluoride and maybe your vision will clear enough to see past the bs.

Yeah, 'cause "[a] foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice.".



3059. Post 12821765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: aztecminer on October 29, 2015, 03:31:58 PM
i work in the gun industry...

And I like you. You're a wonderful and sensible guy.



3060. Post 12822056 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: aztecminer on October 29, 2015, 04:04:20 PM
i work in the gun industry...

And I like you. You're a wonderful and sensible guy.


glad you realized how awesome i am..... being in the same forum as me will help improve your awesomeness too. ..  and the waves of awesomeness will spread throughout all of bitcoinland from right here from bitcointalk.org wall of observer thread...

I definitely need to improve my awesomeness.

Thanks, man!



3061. Post 12822367 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):



BITCOIN IS BACK!!!!



3062. Post 12823254 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: inca on October 29, 2015, 05:59:52 PM
Shorts up to 21k

Someone is about to get hurt.



Agreed




3063. Post 12823953 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


Someone dumped Gemini down to $261.



3064. Post 12824352 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: peonminer on October 29, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
Please baby Jesus in your sweet tuxedo suit, let there be one more good pump in her before the tippy.



3065. Post 12824559 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


Turns out the chinese don't give a flying fuck about our trials and tribulations.

They be buying them cheap coinz.



3066. Post 12825131 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on October 29, 2015, 09:00:35 PM
China says "Time for more UP"

I'll try communicating with them.

火车离开
马阴茎食者



3067. Post 12825192 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: 600watt on October 29, 2015, 09:41:21 PM
can someone pls dig up the original this is gentlemen thread?



Was it this one?

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2lxkqk/daily_discussion_tuesday_november_11_2014/cm0085i



3068. Post 12825254 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 29, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
can someone pls dig up the original this is gentlemen thread?




This is the one, no?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12156.0

First page, BJA, being himself.



3069. Post 12825303 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

 I should frame this:

 "I AM HODLING"

Quote from: GameKyuubi on December 18, 2013, 10:03:03 AM
I type d that tyitle twice because I knew it was wrong the first time.  Still wrong.  w/e.  GF's out at a lesbian bar, BTC crashing WHY AM I HOLDING? I'LL TELL YOU WHY.  It's because I'm a bad trader and I KNOW I'M A BAD TRADER.  Yeah you good traders can spot the highs and the lows pit pat piffy wing wong wang just like that and make a millino bucks sure no problem bro.  Likewise the weak hands are like OH NO IT'S GOING DOWN I'M GONNA SELL he he he and then they're like OH GOD MY ASSHOLE when the SMART traders who KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE DOING buy back in but you know what?  I'm not part of that group.  When the traders buy back in I'm already part of the market capital so GUESS WHO YOU'RE CHEATING day traders NOT ME~!  Those taunt threads saying "OHH YOU SHOULD HAVE SOLD" YEAH NO SHIT.  NO SHIT I SHOULD HAVE SOLD.  I SHOULD HAVE SOLD MOMENTS BEFORE EVERY SELL AND BOUGHT MOMENTS BEFORE EVERY BUY BUT YOU KNOW WHAT NOT EVERYBODY IS AS COOL AS YOU.  You only sell in a bear market if you are a good day trader or an illusioned noob.  The people inbetween hold.  In a zero-sum game such as this, traders can only take your money if you sell.

so i've had some whiskey
actually on the bottle it's spelled whisky
w/e
sue me
(but only if it's payable in BTC)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0



3070. Post 12827645 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


Woke up to take a piss. Saw Huobi at $360.

Now I can't sleep.

FUCK YOU BITCOIN!!!

FUUUUUCCCCKKK YYYYYOOOOOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



3071. Post 12828123 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):


$38 between Huobi and BTC-E.



3072. Post 12828425 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.29h):

Quote from: solitude on October 30, 2015, 06:56:41 AM
keep selling faggots, i can taste your tears from here.  Keep thinking the price will drop you fucking faggots.

Pipe down with the faggot stuff.



3073. Post 12831576 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Jeeebus! So much drama in just a few hours!

Quote from: gizmoh on October 30, 2015, 12:36:52 PM
The charts on daily, are already painting a nice top doji .

Baaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!

I never played Warhammer.

Baaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!


Quote from: Lauda on October 30, 2015, 12:43:34 PM
What's wrong with people here? If the price returns back from green (e.g. $10) into a daily green of e.g. $2 you'e trying to tell me that it is going down by $100?

I am amazed at your amazement at the stupidity in this thread. Your belief in the sanity and wholesomeness of humanity is a beacon of light for us all.



3074. Post 12832288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 30, 2015, 02:54:35 PM

I didn't read the article, but [...]


Please do:

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21677228-technology-behind-bitcoin-lets-people-who-do-not-know-or-trust-each-other-build-dependable

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21677198-technology-behind-bitcoin-could-transform-how-economy-works-trust-machine

Maybe you could start your own Blockchain-project to help fight corruption in your own country. Or even help sort out that voting machine worries you've had.



3075. Post 12832674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on October 30, 2015, 03:42:25 PM

Thanks for the links.  I don't like The Economist at all (I see it as the Hustler of bankers), but I may make an exception this time, for the sake of Science.

No magazine can be please 100% 100% of the time (except maybe Hustler), but The Economist is pretty darn close. It's been pretty fair to your socialist government too. Can't say that about most.



3076. Post 12834052 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on October 30, 2015, 06:24:32 PM
Serious lack of trains in this topic!!!  Grin Grin Grin


Give me $380+ and I'll post them with a vengeance.




3077. Post 12834371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on October 30, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
Serious lack of trains in this topic!!!  Grin Grin Grin


Give me $380+ and I'll post them with a vengeance.



Why $380+ brother ?

'Cause it's The Magic Number.



3078. Post 12835463 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: TQMA on October 30, 2015, 09:49:13 PM


Brilliant!

SAVED



3079. Post 12835542 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: DieJohnny on October 30, 2015, 10:00:47 PM
Could this be Bitcoin's last gasp?

If Bitcoin surges to say 100 billion due to chines capital controls, and then China starts beheading bitcoin holders.... wouldn't that be the end of bitcoin at least in our lifetimes?

... more lost coins. The ones left will skyrocket!



3080. Post 12836264 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on October 30, 2015, 11:34:12 PM


Dear God keep me humble as I watch this relentless train bring me all the wealth and power I have ever dreamed of....

Too late.  Cheesy

The whole point with being rich is that you can tell any and all to fuck off!!



3081. Post 12837644 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: podyx on October 30, 2015, 11:53:33 PM


Dear God keep me humble as I watch this relentless train bring me all the wealth and power I have ever dreamed of....

Too late.  Cheesy

The whole point with being rich is that you can tell any and all to fuck off!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUsbBC6VYz8

 Cheesy

Here I thought I was being original and they've made a fucking movie about it.

Thanks for the link, pretty much says it all.



3082. Post 12838778 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on October 31, 2015, 08:36:09 AM
fuck man the guest at my gf halloween party just won't leave, i made a "last little coffee" and everything, STFU and go home poeple.  Tongue
Try talking about Bitcoin. That usually makes my friends leave. Works a treat.

+1

Tested and recommended.


Anyhew, get ready for the Permanent Revolution Bubble!




3083. Post 12838957 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: noobtrader on October 31, 2015, 08:50:36 AM
fuck man the guest at my gf halloween party just won't leave, i made a "last little coffee" and everything, STFU and go home poeple.  Tongue
Try talking about Bitcoin. That usually makes my friends leave. Works a treat.

+1

Tested and recommended.


Anyhew, get ready for the Permanent Revolution Bubble!


u mean

Perpetual bubble...

Huh

Slice it whichever way you want.



3084. Post 12840302 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: LMGTFY on October 31, 2015, 12:48:06 PM
I just hope that we won't touch sub-$300 as I jnow it will cause a sell-off and we will go down pretty rapidly.


Oh the wonders of human psychology.

$300.01, perfectly fine, $300.00 still good.

$299.99 PANIC SELL ALL THE COINS!!!!!!!1111!!!1!1!

What are the chances that we also get a "CNY 1999.99 PANIC SELL ALL THE COINS!!!!!!!1111!!!1!1!" ?

Zero. This MOFO is going up!!!

Disclaimer: I seem to be the only one who thinks this, and I don't trade.



3085. Post 12842427 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: dothebeats on October 31, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
... It's weekends so probably some of our whale bull friends are resting for a bit. ...

Your friend looks ...unwell.



He'll get better, don't worry. He needs to get a good rest after weeks of working.

"No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'!"



3086. Post 12842516 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Boring crash.

Choo choo more fun.




3087. Post 12842598 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):



BAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!
WE ARE WINNING!!!!!





3088. Post 12842710 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: yolalanda on October 31, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
Boring crash.

Choo choo more fun.


Fixed.

Thanks lambie!

Here you go:



Go have a wank!



3089. Post 12843281 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: tarmi on October 31, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
so much bull delusion still here .

I like to think of it as enthusiasm!



3090. Post 12843328 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: chennan on October 31, 2015, 06:23:04 PM
Wow, did anyone else just see that 500 BTC sell on bitstamp?  This is going to get rediculous,  hopefully we can get a stable footing soon... just not so sure about this rise any more...

If you're aiming for stability in the short term you're gonna miss. This beast is wild.

But the direction is clear.




3091. Post 12843526 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: OSCA on October 31, 2015, 06:37:46 PM
...


Is that about Project Orion?

No, of course not.

It's about something completely different that wasn't a flop.



3092. Post 12843661 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: BinaryReign on October 31, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
I still need 13.5 more before I'll be back where I was though, like I said a couple days ago, if anyone is feeling generous, I feel I'm a deserving candidate after my recent bad luck, for real, very for real  Embarrassed

What happened?

I'm afraid to say in very much detail, because I have a lawyer, and you know how they are, they always recommend you don't talk too much about stuff to anyone. But long story short, I had to cash out all of my bitcoins at $238 to pay for the lawyer, but before that I was strictly hodler since 2013, average buy-in for me was $88.. This to me feels like the launch to the moon I've been waiting for ever since the fall from almost $1200  Undecided

So you had to cash out because you had expenses. That sounds like an extraordinary situation. I'll have to see if I can redirect some of the money that was supposed to go to Oxfam.



3093. Post 12844070 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: !! pop on October 31, 2015, 08:00:48 PM

No, of course not.

It's about something completely different that wasn't a flop.

Not a flop, shifting priorities/nuclear test bans etc. Here's some 50s footage w/conventional explosives: https://youtu.be/Pcidu6ppcFg?t=437
And BBC's meh sorta-documentary: https://youtu.be/yxMKwxO0oU0?t=72
Looks similar, no?

I know what it is. It's the coolest project in the history of mankind.

But "noooooo, we can't propel a vessel by a series of nuclear explosions, that's bad PR". Pansies.



3094. Post 12844128 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: r0ach on October 31, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
This is insane, China holding $340 with strong support while the US is $315.  Feels like they know something we don't.  Look at that huge buy wall at 2150 yuan wtf.

We won't be getting much more arb capacity in the weekend so the difference can widen if China decides to go bonkers.



3095. Post 12844882 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 31, 2015, 09:54:31 PM
Everybody! Remain calm! For Heaven's sake... You're embarrassing me.



                   I CAN'T STOP!!!



3096. Post 12845894 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: podyx on November 01, 2015, 12:51:43 AM
If it was not new user adoption, you'd think they rather shut the fuck up though, wouldn't you?

After the Chinese government intervened in the stock market in July it would make sense for a lot of Chinese investors to look for venues that would be difficult for the chinese government to interfere in.



3097. Post 12848050 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: AlexGR on November 01, 2015, 09:07:31 AM
There's a 8% spread between China and the rest of the world, and everybody's sleeping here.  Huh

Western exchanges seemed to be hesitant on following China's prices as it seemed to be fake. I wonder why arbitragers can't close this gap even up to 3% too. Huh

Traditional money moves way too slow.

And there's no spread on BTC/LTC.



3098. Post 12848213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Richy_T on November 01, 2015, 05:12:46 AM
That's... not how shadows work.

LOL, genuinely out loud.



3099. Post 12848781 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: dothebeats on November 01, 2015, 11:15:42 AM
Where's the noise? It feels so quiet in here without the trolling and updates. Sad




Homage to Tarmi:





3100. Post 12849384 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: gentlemand on November 01, 2015, 12:37:22 PM

then again wonder what the isle of man ..that is also small ..but wants to be a world btc and crypto hub.....would show as for bitcoin or blockchain knowledge?


I think your average Manxman is blissfully unaware and too busy buzzing around on motorbikes. It looks like the majority of the crypto players there are incomers from elsewhere.

I think the average Manxman is blissfully unaware of the internet in general.


Quote from: criptix on November 01, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
...
china is irrelevant.

Say china is irrelevant again. I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker! Say china is irrelevant one more time.



I didnt knew you were a commi  Huh Lips sealed Cry

We gotta quit our friendship i think Sad

You obviously haven't been to a commie party.



3101. Post 12849734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 01, 2015, 01:35:58 PM
The most interesting thing about this thread is there are still old-timers around who think they can talk their book and move the market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKaXY4IdZ40



3102. Post 12850079 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: !! pop on November 01, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
...
But bitcoin isn't a penny stock...


>Platonic love
Find out more about platonic love.

That is wrong, but a popular misconception.

It leads from both the misunderstanding of modern corrections of 17th century conceptions of Plato's writings on love, and Socrates' rampant flirtations with younger men in much of Plato's texts. Platonic love was restrained, but not without sex. Nor was it necessarily exclusively man on man/boy, though Socrates certainly seemed to be a pain in the ass (literally) when he had the chance.



3103. Post 12850252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: OSCA on November 01, 2015, 02:35:05 PM
In 2016, All Russian Bitcoiners Could Become Terrorists

https://news.bitcoin.com/2016-all-russian-bitcoiners-could-become-terrorists/

All bit coiners already are financial terrorists, singling out Slavs is just racist.


... they're not. 20% of people in Russia are not slavic.

Step yo game up! You can do better than this!

I want to be trolled SO HARD!!!



3104. Post 12850378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: !! pop on November 01, 2015, 03:02:39 PM
In 2016, All Russian Bitcoiners Could Become Terrorists

https://news.bitcoin.com/2016-all-russian-bitcoiners-could-become-terrorists/

All bit coiners already are financial terrorists, singling out Slavs is just racist.


... they're not. 20% of people in Russia are not slavic.

Those 20% are even worse, Fatman. Some of them are Jews Angry

Boooring. Try again.



3105. Post 12850429 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Muttley on November 01, 2015, 03:06:13 PM
Noob question.
On weekends the BTC volatility is (historically) lower than on the other days, or not?

Fiat stops flowing in weekends. So we'll bleed dry on Saturday and get smacked over the head on Sunday, in either direction.



3106. Post 12850471 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: !! pop on November 01, 2015, 03:08:39 PM
In 2016, All Russian Bitcoiners Could Become Terrorists

https://news.bitcoin.com/2016-all-russian-bitcoiners-could-become-terrorists/

All bit coiners already are financial terrorists, singling out Slavs is just racist.


... they're not. 20% of people in Russia are not slavic.

Those 20% are even worse, Fatman. Some of them are Jews Angry

Boooring. Try again.

I'm no God, Fatman. Can never match astounding revelations like "20% of people in Russia are not slavic" Sad

No, no. You're ok at times. You probably just need a break. Maybe change your focus a bit.

I've heard Dogecoiners are a laugh. Or Monero evangelists. Oh, or Dash nutters!



3107. Post 12851024 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):




For the first time since I've joined this forum the next 24 hours are indeed critical, yet I see no mention of it.



3108. Post 12851300 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on November 01, 2015, 05:09:47 PM
For the first time since I've joined this forum the next 24 hours are indeed critical, yet I see no mention of it.

I feel you are not joking buddy, what are you trying to say ?

I'm trying to say that the next 24 hours will decide which uni you'll send your little fackhers to.



3109. Post 12851433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: gentlemand on November 01, 2015, 05:19:55 PM

I'm trying to say that the next 24 hours will decide which uni you'll send your little fackhers to.

That's a bold proclamation. My yet to arrive offspring will be sent off to sea as cabin boys as soon as they turn 4 regardless of what happens.

I am very curious to see whether we'll have another November to remember or more of pretty much the same.

It's not the first time I've fallen flat on my face. Good way to stay grounded.



3110. Post 12852893 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: !! pop on November 01, 2015, 08:47:44 PM
-Maybe we could burn them out, before they could scatter. I'm telling you, you don't know, you haven't seen them... these are super monsters ...or bugs, as big as we are! They can kill you with one bite!
-What can?
-I don't know, those ...things... Bitcoiners! But if they scatter before we get there...






3111. Post 12853214 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: gentlemand on November 01, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
Thee price stopped rising , is there a resistance point that the price is facing now ?

It was a big ass rise. These things only continue for lengthy periods when the world has taken leave of its senses.

Americans are going to vote for Donald Trump.



3112. Post 12853330 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: gentlemand on November 01, 2015, 10:06:41 PM

Americans are going to vote for Donald Trump.

Who wouldn't? He's fresh, he's sexy and you've got to admire someone who says he'll have an opinion on a subject once he's been told what to think about it.

Agreed.

CHOO CHOO !!!



3113. Post 12853378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 01, 2015, 10:16:52 PM
Did you people think Satoshi was gonna call you and say, "Yo dog, I'm bout to jack the price up on this shit again, gonna give you 48 hours to get in before I hit up Huobi before I take it to the moon".



Suddenly, Satoshi changed in my mind.



3114. Post 12857998 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 02, 2015, 12:55:59 PM
Prepare to sell Hearn just went nuclear on the XT FUD, Core bashing in extremis ...

https://medium.com/@octskyward/on-block-sizes-e047bc9f830#.366dmgcto


He is right.

Yes, and since there is an alt implementation on the market that is ready for the transaction explosion, the market turned bullish.
As soon as it is necessary to run a big block implementation, the miners will switch.


Weird, the IQ in this thread seems to be rising with the price.

Quote from: gentlemand on November 02, 2015, 12:30:27 PM
Mike Hearn creeps me out rather a lot. He looks like the type of guy who'd guilt trip you into the sack and then wash his winkle in your washing up and walk out without saying another word. Overall though I think he's living more in the real world than the noodling Core types.

He has a certain Julian Assange flair about him.



3115. Post 12858159 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: oda.krell on November 02, 2015, 01:30:12 PM
Mike Hearn creeps me out rather a lot. He looks like the type of guy who'd guilt trip you into the sack and then wash his winkle in your washing up and walk out without saying another word.

such a weird observation, are you female per chance? ... speaking from bad experiences with creepy guys e.g.?

(aside)

Rather funny that such an observation (which might perhaps be more likely to be a "female pov observation", though hardly necessarily so -- perceptive hetero guys and MSM come to mind) would also be a "weird observation" in here... considering dem dangling titties come out every time we go up parabolically. Not a sentiment shared by everyone in here I'm sure, but a bit of a more diverse demographic might be helpful in the long run...

(/aside)

Will be interesting to see if there will be less "dangling titties" with the next bubble. Bitcoin is growing up, maybe bitcoiners do too (don't get your hopes up though).



3116. Post 12858200 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: peonminer on November 02, 2015, 01:54:25 PM
Too much sheer volume nextstop 480 :-)

DAFUQ?

Someone closed their short?



3117. Post 12859252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: peonminer on November 02, 2015, 02:18:47 PM

Please, baby Jesus. Let it be a double bottom



What's the "girl" on the left hiding with her left hand?

Did gender equality in this thread take a leap after all?



3118. Post 12860107 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: bassclef on November 02, 2015, 05:19:17 PM
Bitcoin Monthly Candles

Who's ready?



Wow, that's impressive!




3119. Post 12860268 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on November 02, 2015, 05:21:47 PM

This is not a reasoned response. Just one example:

"The Scaling Bitcoins conferences are not specifically about blocksize, but about how to scale bitcoin efficiently and without risk."

ALL change carries a certain amount of risk. To claim that NO risk is the standard, then you are advocating NO CHANGE just as Mike Hearn has claimed.

The relevant issue is whether or not the risk of increasing blocksize outweighs the risk of not doing so. The risk of waiting vs. the risk of acting in a timely manner. You should get the idea.

You are just making a semantic argument.  I'm sure BTCDrak did not mean literally entirely without risk, and no reasonable reader would interpret it that way.



That's very colourful language for a "reasoned response". You sort of have to turn your brain off when someone uses as colourful language as him.

That makes it hard to think. Just look at hdbuck, he turned his off and broke the switch.

And when BtcDraks main argument is "this is too complex for anyone except the devine core developers to understand" I am sort of at a loss at why he even bothers to address the community at all; if the intention was to bring some light on the issue.



3120. Post 12860533 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on November 02, 2015, 06:06:38 PM

If you want to reply to BTCDrak, you should probably do it in the same forum he posted in.  I don't know if he will read your response here.


I don't. I was addressing a comment that was posted in this forum. Neither when I get into a discussion about the Affordable Care Act, do I get on the phone to Obama.

Your response did not address anything I posted.  It addressed the content of BTCDrak's post, which I simply provided a link to.


...?

You posted a link and referred to it as "a well-reasoned response". That's a statement. Don't be surprised if someone here has an opinion about it.



3121. Post 12860828 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on November 02, 2015, 06:23:24 PM

If you want to reply to BTCDrak, you should probably do it in the same forum he posted in.  I don't know if he will read your response here.


I don't. I was addressing a comment that was posted in this forum. Neither when I get into a discussion about the Affordable Care Act, do I get on the phone to Obama.

Your response did not address anything I posted.  It addressed the content of BTCDrak's post, which I simply provided a link to.


...?

You posted a link and referred to it as "a well-reasoned response". That's a statement. Don't be surprised if someone here has an opinion about it.

That's correct, but that is not what his post addressed.  I don't think anything in his post even suggests that BTCDrak's response was not well-reasoned - just that he personally disagrees with the content of that post.



He obviously wanted to talk about the post you firmly supported; and you decided to shut him down. If you think he had a point, why not admit it. I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a flying fuck anymore, but I am baffled by this. What is it with core fans that makes them unable to provide proper thought through arguments whenever someone tries to peel off some poorly applied veneer of reason? I think I saw one properly thought through argument from a 1mb-supporter (I think his nick was Holiday). All the rest, from Waldemar and gmaxwell to brg444 and hdbuck, is just waffle and personal attacks.



3122. Post 12861662 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: BitChick on November 02, 2015, 07:58:25 PM
Hodlers be like..



It is a good day to be a holder!   Grin



3123. Post 12862099 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: brg444 on November 02, 2015, 08:46:41 PM
How is trollfi explaining this one?

Has the MMM ponzi also reached finex & stamp  Huh

Forget Stolfi!

Remember this guy: http://www.businessinsider.com/williams-bitcoin-meltdown-10-2013-12



3124. Post 12862131 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: inca on November 02, 2015, 08:53:17 PM
she: what are you doing honey?

me: just checkin the charts...

she: thatīs what you are always doing!

me: this time itīs different...

 Cheesy

hahaha exactly the same over here

Also here hahaha.

Ditto Smiley

I saw she was annoyed, so I told her what I made today.

"How the [expletive deleted] did that happen?"



3125. Post 12862165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Vahnt on November 02, 2015, 08:56:43 PM
Already down ~$10 from 363 high and selling pressure is continuing. Not sure whose gonna run out of ammo first at this point, the bulls or the bears

Nerve wracking stuff, this one hourly candle is quite the fight

Are you a newbie or what?

Oh, you are...  Grin

Actually bought my first coins in May of 2013, just never cared to register/post here.



Makes sense. Took me some time too.



3126. Post 12862191 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: BitofaN1 on November 02, 2015, 08:55:33 PM
Wait for China to woke up (3 more hours) and this thing is going to get very mad.

if china wakes up, and they have a lot of bitcoin that they bought yesterday, or even friday, and see the price this high, they might actually sell some of it, which might actually drop the price.

at least for the first few hours.
There will also be buttloads of fiat hitting exchanges on Tuesday so there will be buying pressure too.I'm guessing the chinese will postpone their profit taking for at least a couple of days.Especially when the orderbooks are this thin, ask side.  

My friggin Lord! It's friggin Monday! This week is going to be bonkers!!!



3127. Post 12862212 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: peonminer on November 02, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
she: what are you doing honey?

me: just checkin the charts...

she: thatīs what you are always doing!

me: this time itīs different...

 Cheesy

hahaha exactly the same over here

Also here hahaha.

Ditto Smiley

I saw she was annoyed, so I told her what I made today.

"How the [expletive deleted] did that happen?"

"Women started using bitcoin."

"Oh well, give me some!"

"F $@#!!"

*grabs keys and private keys*

"Um.... I have to go get . . . milk."

☆screeeeeeeechhhhhhhhh

Nah, she wouldn't do that?

... where's my friggin Trezor?



3128. Post 12862259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Adrian-x on November 02, 2015, 08:56:34 PM
We want users now, we plan to let them join in 3 months stalling block size growth because we dont want centralized nodes 20 years from now is damaging bitcoin - its myopic.  If we hit a growth spurt like in 2013 well see a minimum of 10X transaction growth and the fee pressure will increase disproportionately, limited transaction volume will push feed over $1.00 in value for the smallest transactions. Fees will kill the competitive advantage bitcoin is offering.

small blockests think the fee should be around $7. We the users are paying for low fees by subsidizing miners with inflation of 25BTC every 10 minus. we need economics of scale - more users to reduce fess as inflation subsidies diminish.  Centralization is a concern, but we have 90% of nodes running centralized code the number is actually irrelevant when the code changes are controlled by a centralized few who believe bitcoin can't scale and want to change it to accommodate off block chain transactions. 

This is too good, I'll have to save it.



3129. Post 12862442 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on November 02, 2015, 09:08:24 PM

I don't really think that the people resisting block-size increase are just interested in creating a transaction-fee market.

I don't work for Blockstream, nor am I a Core developer - but even I can see that there is potentially a heavy price to be paid (in terms of Bitcoin decentralization) if we rush head-long down the path of block-size for scaling - and this could turn out to be a mistake that can't be undone, AND one that does not really solve the problem in the long-term.

I don't see the urgency you do for raising blocksize right now.  Full blocks are still uncommon (except during "stress-tests").



We want users now, we plan to let them join in 3 months stalling block size growth because we dont want centralized nodes 20 years from now is damaging bitcoin - its myopic.  If we hit a growth spurt like in 2013 well see a minimum of 10X transaction growth and the fee pressure will increase disproportionately, limited transaction volume will push feed over $1.00 in value for the smallest transactions. Fees will kill the competitive advantage bitcoin is offering.

small blockests think the fee should be around $7. We the users are paying for low fees by subsidizing miners with inflation of 25BTC every 10 minus. we need economics of scale - more users to reduce fess as inflation subsidies diminish.  Centralization is a concern, but we have 90% of nodes running centralized code the number is actually irrelevant when the code changes are controlled by a centralized few who believe bitcoin can't scale and want to change it to accommodate off block chain transactions. 

Again - full blocks are, as of this writing, still fairly rare.

No one who wants to use Bitcoin is sitting on the sidelines saying "Oh, I'd like to buy this with bitcoin, but darn...  Their blocks are just too darned small!".  Raising the blocksize now is NOT going to cause a stampede of new users.  Bigger blocks MAY be necessary soon, to accomodate new use - if it comes.  Or maybe another solution will be found before that is necessary.

I agree that we need to scale capacity AS NECESSARY - even if that means raising the blocksize somewhat in the short term, due to no other solution being at-hand.  I just don't want to see panic drive the community to prematurely choose a path that does not really solve the bigger problem, and potentially hurts Bitcoin decentralization forever.



3 of the last 4 blocks were full. And we're only at the beginning of this rally.

Anyhew, Mike Hearn spoke a bit about it if you care to listen. It's much the same as AdrianX said, but maybe audio will help.

https://youtu.be/8JmvkyQyD8w?t=403

@hdbuck Please behave, we have guests tonight.



3130. Post 12862623 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Hour volumes are starting to look like day volumes.



3131. Post 12862842 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: ImI on November 02, 2015, 10:15:41 PM
This was really a violent move... Kinda unhealthy.

i am not a shorter. but if i were i would open a small short right now.

Good that you aren't. I like you.



3132. Post 12862960 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: mrkavasaki on November 02, 2015, 10:31:53 PM
$10K by the end of 2016??

what do you guys think about that? Cool Grin

....why wait?




3133. Post 12863183 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on November 02, 2015, 10:47:38 PM
People, serious question here, aren't you afraid that we will crash really badly after this insane move ?

Didn't we always say, slowly and steadily better than this circus !!

I'm really afraid !!

I didn't.  I said you were thinking too linear. It's too early for slow and steady. It will move in bursts as long as speculators dominate the market.

BTW:

Quote from: Fakhoury on November 01, 2015, 05:19:36 PM
For the first time since I've joined this forum the next 24 hours are indeed critical, yet I see no mention of it.

I feel you are not joking buddy, what are you trying to say ?

I'm trying to say that the next 24 hours will decide which uni you'll send your little fackhers to.

Although I didn't fully get you, but what this has to do with Bitcoin and/or Bitcoin price  Huh Huh

Do you understand now?

Hold on to your nutsack and enjoy the ride!



3134. Post 12865461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

 Fuck Me Backwards!!!

$380+




3135. Post 12866043 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.30h):

Shorts down to 18k on finex
Longs down 3.3 mill to 22.3



3136. Post 12870682 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on November 03, 2015, 02:48:46 PM
Tarmibear made a sock account!  Cheesy

It's funny how the kids of btc think that everyone takes btc as serious as them. But I think that's understandable that they'r euphoric right now. After couple of years of taking it from behind, they finally get a polite reacharound in return. I bet that their euphoria will eliminate any chance of common sense though, and they will again be too late to get out and will get stuck in the new cycle downwards.

Anyway, if you have experience trading, then missing rises like these don't even tingle a nerve. There are and always will be missed oportunities like these. It doesn't matter if you still play it right in the long run. Only the kids of btc see this as a chance of their lifetime, because, well, btc is their only trading experience in their entire life.

Enjoy this brave pump and keep a cool head if you want to earn anything with this.

The guy with the highest income in Norway for the last four years is a trader who only trades in the energy market. He started his carrier in Statnett and Aker RGI, both major players in the Norwegian energy market, and went on to trading solo. Getting to know a market and sticking to what you know is not necessarily a bad idea.



3137. Post 12870784 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: tarmi on November 03, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
I'm out. I'll get in on the next pullback, even if that's $100 higher than here. This very well could be a bubble to $1000+, but this is a parabola and I'm jumping off!



I see you have not learned your bitcoin lesson:

YOU DON'T SELL THE PARABOLA, YOU BUY IT!

Don't know if you're joking, but I don't give a shit!!

I love you and I want to hump your leg!!



3138. Post 12870962 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: Holliday on November 03, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
I bought 0.00000000 BTC when I first learned abot bitcoin -- in nov/2013, when the price was ~1200$.  So, even though my investment was fairly modest, and (as you already know) I have been able to double my holdings every day since then, I am still quite disappointed by the loss of almost 70% of the money that I put into this coin.

Time is money and you've invested plenty. I hope you are getting good returns on the time you've invested here.

LOL!



3139. Post 12871046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: blunderer on November 03, 2015, 04:25:44 PM
I bought 0.00000000 BTC when I first learned abot bitcoin -- in nov/2013, when the price was ~1200$.  So, even though my investment was fairly modest, and (as you already know) I have been able to double my holdings every day since then, I am still quite disappointed by the loss of almost 70% of the money that I put into this coin.

Time is money and you've invested plenty. I hope you are getting good returns on the time you've invested here.

LOL!

It doesn't bother you at all, knowing that the only thing you see as being worthwhile is ...financial gain?

If you're lambie, then : Fuck You!

If you're not, then: Fuck You Too!!

This is a speculation thread. You know nothing about anyone here.

Fuck off!



3140. Post 12871164 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: blunderer on November 03, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
I bought 0.00000000 BTC when I first learned abot bitcoin -- in nov/2013, when the price was ~1200$.  So, even though my investment was fairly modest, and (as you already know) I have been able to double my holdings every day since then, I am still quite disappointed by the loss of almost 70% of the money that I put into this coin.

Time is money and you've invested plenty. I hope you are getting good returns on the time you've invested here.

LOL!

It doesn't bother you at all, knowing that the only thing you see as being worthwhile is ...financial gain?

If you're lambie, then : Fuck You!

If you're not, then: Fuck You Too!!

This is a speculation thread. You know nothing about anyone here.

Fuck off!

Hello Friend!
Forgive me for thinking you shallow, your rage is indicative of unfathomably deep butthurt.



3141. Post 12873440 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):




TIMBER!!!



3142. Post 12874039 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on November 03, 2015, 08:36:35 PM
this shorter is going all in
What shorter? There's only 9300 BTC swaps on BFX. It's just a seller. 

BTW, thanks bulls. I just made so much money shorting today, that I can dump again if you wanna take another swipe at $420.

So you opened you're just when exactly? When we busted through 380? 400?  Roll Eyes

I call BS

I started shorting @ $399 and kept shorting the whole way up.  I could have shorted twice as much, but after covering @$380, I know have enough to safely short Three times as much if we come anywhere close to $420 again.  I also transferred in some coins I was using for arbitrage just so I have some extra margin.

Try it again, Bulls. I double dare you.  See if I'm bluffing.   

Oh this is gonna be EPIC

I will miss BJA.



3143. Post 12874113 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Anyone else having problems with Bitcoinwisdom (not just Huobi, the whole thing)?



3144. Post 12875006 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on November 03, 2015, 09:48:47 PM
Miners are sufficiently incentivized to choose an appropriate block size. Too big and their chances of being orphaned increase. This is the decentralized solution for a decentralized system.  

I'm not sure if you're thinking of "no block size limit" or BIP100, I'm guessing the latter. As a miner myself, and from keeping an eye on the mining field, I can tell you that giving miners this kind of power might lead to some very odd behavior. Most of the companies and pools should not be trusted with that kind of power. It's no point with incentives if you don't understand the consequences of your actions. Just look at Ghash.io's 51% attack scare last summer. There's also the fact that we have no idea who the big actors in the field will be in five years time, nor their motives. The devs need to find a clearly defined solution and implement it. Preferably before we hit the wall.



3145. Post 12875322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on November 03, 2015, 10:25:45 PM
Miners are sufficiently incentivized to choose an appropriate block size. Too big and their chances of being orphaned increase. This is the decentralized solution for a decentralized system.  

I'm not sure if you're thinking of "no block size limit" or BIP100, I'm guessing the latter. As a miner myself, and from keeping an eye on the mining field, I can tell you that giving miners this kind of power might lead to some very odd behavior. Most of the companies and pools should not be trusted with that kind of power. It's no point with incentives if you don't understand the consequences of your actions. Just look at Ghash.io's 51% attack scare last summer. There's also the fact that we have no idea who the big actors in the field will be in five years time, nor their motives. The devs need to find a clearly defined solution and implement it. Preferably before we hit the wall.

I meant the former. BIP100 adds a convoluted voting mechanism in an effort to mimic what the free market would do on its own. Go ahead and look at the Ghash debacle, it will show you that mining isn't quite as centralized as it appears.

The miners already have the power, it's just that right now Core serves as a veneer of "community" central control. The same factors that prevent malicious mining behavior (killing the golden goose and mutually assured destruction) will work in this case too.

On the "before hitting the wall" vs "after"... wholeheartedly agree.  

Ok, if you were thinking of the former then my objections don't really apply.



3146. Post 12875680 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: brg444 on November 03, 2015, 11:20:40 PM
[–]solex1

Yes. I think the Bitcoin ecosystem will move to a big-blocks version whether Core updates or not.

However, there would be a lot more price volatility and bad publicity the longer Core Dev continues with the "settlement layer" fantasy.
[/i]

Yeah we get it. We didn't reject it. We're "just not ready".

Seriously, take your meds.

'We'

And who exactly are you?




Good to see you're on top of things.



3147. Post 12875692 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Night Y'all!!

Don't fuck up my riches while I'm sleeping!



3148. Post 12880244 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 04, 2015, 09:07:14 AM

I started shorting @ $399 and kept shorting the whole way up.  I could have shorted twice as much, but after covering @$380, I know have enough to safely short Three times as much if we come anywhere close to $420 again.  I also transferred in some coins I was using for arbitrage just so I have some extra margin.

Try it again, Bulls. I double dare you.  See if I'm bluffing.   



I don't believe that's the original billyjoeallen account owner. He was never like that before.

Sold account imo.

Or he already sold his soul for altcoins? Poor guy:/

He's BJA alright. I tried to turn him to socialism a couple of days ago. A no go.



3149. Post 12880291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Quote from: YourMother on November 04, 2015, 09:56:32 AM

The thing that i dislike the most in here is that a of the people know that the final dump is about to happen (some big players already cashed out 2 times), but they keep praying on these newbies and feed them 'thousands of usd per Bitcoin' bullshit stories. The same people that you see in here talking about fairness, decentralized technologies and babbling about their hypocritical philosophies. Most could actually qualify to serve as great ponzi conductors.


The thing i dislike the most in here is that total fuckwad of a douche "YourMother" who only came here to be a total dick. But he's been absent for quite a while so things are looking up.



3150. Post 12887958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):


Could the loosening of China's 1 child policy explain why there's such a shortage of fucks on chinese exchanges? They seem completely unwilling to give any.



3151. Post 12888858 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.31h):

Well, at least volume is up.



3152. Post 12891328 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):




3153. Post 12891586 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Tzupy on November 05, 2015, 06:15:02 AM
Holy shit... Didn't see this coming... Shocked
Bought back while sleeping at 400$ with leverage, now I just woke up and 50% of my yesterday's profits went pufff... Roll Eyes
Oh well, at least I'll get some sleep...

That "pit pat piffy wing wong wang" can be tricky.



3154. Post 12891740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: gizmoh on November 05, 2015, 06:57:35 AM
Chinese will be scared to fomo buy as this guaranteed up has ended.

I think there's a pretty good chance that it will start up again, bigger this time, when people realize it's a perfect time to buy. Especially after they look at those fat breakout candles from two days ago. I guess today's candle is vital for this.

There's a massacre of margin call on okcoin and futures, bulls are hurt and all in. Shorts are already out, nothing to cover for.  The aura of new bull trend has turned into a pump and dump game.  The new bitcoin buyers  are irrational gamblers that will bail out at any sign of weakness.
 
Serious investors will reconsider this investment proposition. 

Sorry to break the bullishness guys!




3155. Post 12892520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 05, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
Obviously the price is going down because of numerous reasons...mainly the auction will be bought by the composite operator and they want to create fear and buy as low as possible!

I'm done posting my opinions for now because my charity Bitcoin address only has .00000060 btc for feeding the homeless...

Nights Pros and Joes... Cool

Oh, you were serious? How about supporting a political party who aims to establish a proper welfare state, rather than peddling guilt?



3156. Post 12892641 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 05, 2015, 09:23:15 AM
Obviously the price is going down because of numerous reasons...mainly the auction will be bought by the composite operator and they want to create fear and buy as low as possible!

I'm done posting my opinions for now because my charity Bitcoin address only has .00000060 btc for feeding the homeless...

Nights Pros and Joes... Cool

Oh, you were serious? How about supporting a political party who aims to establish a proper welfare state, rather than peddling guilt?

Not a peddler...no guilt trips here!

I'm politically neutral...

Is there a problem with giving a homeless person a bagel and hot coffee?

So you want to help homeless people, and you expect others to do so as well. But you're politically neutral?

I pay a lot of tax to make sure people aren't homeless in my own country. Why should I subsidize your country's lack of will and courage to do the same?



3157. Post 12892707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 05, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
Obviously the price is going down because of numerous reasons...mainly the auction will be bought by the composite operator and they want to create fear and buy as low as possible!

I'm done posting my opinions for now because my charity Bitcoin address only has .00000060 btc for feeding the homeless...

Nights Pros and Joes... Cool

Oh, you were serious? How about supporting a political party who aims to establish a proper welfare state, rather than peddling guilt?

Not a peddler...no guilt trips here!

I'm politically neutral...

Is there a problem with giving a homeless person a bagel and hot coffee?

So you want to help homeless people, and you expect others to do so as well. But you're politically neutral?

I pay a lot of tax to make sure people aren't homeless in my own country. Why should I subsidize your country's lack of will and courage to do the same?

Why should I debate this with someone that is clearly...What? Lol!

I enjoy giving someone a meal that is down and out!

If you have a problem with that then that's your problem not mine!

As long as it makes you feel better. Good thing you've got all those homeless people to help you out.



3158. Post 12892738 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 05, 2015, 09:45:07 AM
Someday you might understand that giving is better than receiving...

Your arguments are weak and this conversation is over!

Someday you might understand what I wrote here and stop pretending to be politically neutral.



3159. Post 12894628 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 05, 2015, 01:22:38 PM
<r0ach> china is going into an ultra tight manipulated trading range
<r0ach> only the US can bring it down
<r0ach> china wants to go up

As the shorts close and people wander in over the next several days who were full fiat and got left behind, it's going up.  


                                                 Dafuq? $400!



3160. Post 12895216 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: SnokkomBTC on November 05, 2015, 02:54:45 PM
next 24 hr are critical

nxt 24d critical




3161. Post 12895304 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: ynef on November 05, 2015, 02:57:31 PM
next 24 hr are critical
I'm reading the FBI's homepage for more info, but I'm not seeing when the announcement will be made. Sure on the 6th of Nov, but only the winning bidder will receive a notification. Any idea when it will go public?

On a side note:

1) How did the USMS get the authority to sell these bitcoins?

On January 27, 2014, the United States District Court for the District of New York entered a Stipulation and Order for Interlocutory Sale of Bitcoins. In this order, both the United States and Ross William Ulbricht agreed that “the United States, in its sole discretion, may sell any portion or all of these bitcoins, on a date or dates and in a manner to be determined by the Government.”

Ross was sentenced life in prison. I wonder what made him agree to let those coins be auctioned? He didn't even get years off or anything.

I think he agreed to have them sold, but he didn't agree to the proceeds going to the government.

"The government and Ulbricht agreed to the sale of these Bitcoins on January 27, 2015, during Ulbricht’s trial in New York City. One week later, Ulbricht was found guilty of seven drug trafficking and money laundering charges after only 3.5 hours of jury deliberation.  Had Ulbricht been found not guilty, the money earned by the government in the auction would have been returned to him in cash. Instead, the money will go to the Department of Justice’s asset forfeiture fund, according USMS spokesperson Lynzey Donahue."  http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2015/02/18/following-silk-road-trial-u-s-marshals-to-auction-off-nearly-12-million-of-ulbrichts-bitcoin/

He was probably hoping for a more lenient sentence by cooperating.



3162. Post 12895508 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on November 05, 2015, 03:22:34 PM
I think (based on nothing but my own gut feeling) we will most likely stabilise at $300.

Anyone else want to have a guess what we will stabilise at, or if we stabilise at all!

If we drop that far we won't stop at $300. I'm still drinking the Kool-Aid.

"No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'!"



3163. Post 12896207 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: jbreher on November 05, 2015, 04:23:41 PM
Obviously the price is going down because of numerous reasons...mainly the auction will be bought by the composite operator and they want to create fear and buy as low as possible!

I'm done posting my opinions for now because my charity Bitcoin address only has .00000060 btc for feeding the homeless...

Nights Pros and Joes... Cool

Oh, you were serious? How about supporting a political party who aims to establish a proper welfare state, rather than peddling guilt?

Not a peddler...no guilt trips here!

I'm politically neutral...

Is there a problem with giving a homeless person a bagel and hot coffee?

So you want to help homeless people, and you expect others to do so as well. But you're politically neutral?

I pay a lot of tax to make sure people aren't homeless in my own country. Why should I subsidize your country's lack of will and courage to do the same?

Why should I debate this with someone that is clearly...What? Lol!

I enjoy giving someone a meal that is down and out!

If you have a problem with that then that's your problem not mine!

As long as it makes you feel better. Good thing you've got all those homeless people to help you out.

I hate to wade in here, as it's political crap, and I usually agree with your postings. But... REALLY?

Hyperjacked didn't even explicitly solicit donations. Just gave rationale for their actions.

That you feel that stealing from your neighbors to give to the homeless is somehow more noble than voluntary support is dumbfounding.

Didn't you quite eloquently explain to hdbuck why USMS sold Ulbrichts coins? Finally, I thought I saw some common sense in this thread, but no. Taxation is stealing. Democracy is tyrrany. Same old, same old.

I will admit that something might have burst in some corner of my brain when he posted "I'm done posting my opinions for now because my charity Bitcoin address only has .00000060 btc for feeding the homeless...", but I'm dumbfounded by the political cowardice of supposedly "The Greatest Country in The World!". And I'm sort of fed up with beggars in this thread too.



3164. Post 12896585 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Richy_T on November 05, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
Someday you might understand that giving is better than receiving...Fatman!

Your arguments are weak and this conversation is over!



Ignore him. Taking individual responsibility for helping others breaks his view that the government is the only body that can do so and therefore must take the wealth of others by force. (Even though, as you say, you yourself have not made it political).

I'm no expert, but I think the problem of the homeless is that they are without a home/residence. How is giving them "a coffee and a bagel" remedying the situation? And if it's not, how is that "[t]aking individual responsibilty for helping others"?

If you're just using other peoples misery to make yourself feel good then maybe you should just keep it to yourself.



3165. Post 12896719 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Richy_T on November 05, 2015, 05:31:37 PM
I'm no expert, but I think the problem of the homeless is that they are without a home/residence.

Typically a symptom, not the root issue.

How is giving them "a coffee and a bagel" remedying the situation? And if it's not, how is that "[t]aking individual responsibilty for helping others"?

It is not remedying the situation, it's showing some direct kindness instead of expecting others to deal with it.

Whatever the reason behind it, the homeless person is there and likely hasn't eaten. What you do about that is up to you, I guess. (Though established homeless charities will likely make better use of the money).

If you're just using other peoples misery to make yourself feel good then maybe you should just keep it to yourself.

A very skewed view of the situation. Though I agree it doesn't really have any place on this thread. But then, what does?

Seems like losing too much paper profits makes me cranky.



3166. Post 12896963 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: bButtercup on November 05, 2015, 05:54:05 PM
I'm no expert, but I think the problem of the homeless is that they are without a home/residence.

Typically a symptom, not the root issue.

How is giving them "a coffee and a bagel" remedying the situation? And if it's not, how is that "[t]aking individual responsibilty for helping others"?

It is not remedying the situation, it's showing some direct kindness instead of expecting others to deal with it.

Unless you're up for offering the homeless a room in your house, the homeless will stay homeless 'til the community deals with the problem.
That's why society works -- because Bob don't have to take 'individual responsibility' for the nuclear reactor to have nuclear power, and don't need to do home surgery to have medical care. He 'expects others' to do it, and they, in turn, expect Bob to do his part, like pay his frickin' taxes instead of ratting away the money he stole from his community, and stashing it in internet magical beans.
The DIY ethic only takes you so far, life is a collective/cooperative, not individual/competitive, sport.

But, don't you see? If you pay less taxes you'll have more money for coffee and bagels!!!!



3167. Post 12897187 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 05, 2015, 06:10:51 PM
I'm no expert, but I think the problem of the homeless is that they are without a home/residence.

Typically a symptom, not the root issue.

How is giving them "a coffee and a bagel" remedying the situation? And if it's not, how is that "[t]aking individual responsibilty for helping others"?

It is not remedying the situation, it's showing some direct kindness instead of expecting others to deal with it.

Whatever the reason behind it, the homeless person is there and likely hasn't eaten. What you do about that is up to you, I guess. (Though established homeless charities will likely make better use of the money).

If you're just using other peoples misery to make yourself feel good then maybe you should just keep it to yourself.

A very skewed view of the situation. Though I agree it doesn't really have any place on this thread. But then, what does?

Seems like losing too much paper profits makes me cranky.

No need to be cranky...it's the weekend and a great buying opportunity!

Can't believe its eight hours later and you're still talking about it...LOL!

Lighten up man...life is good! Maybe when I retire and open my soup kitchen I'll call it Fatmans!

Enjoy your weekend...no harm no foul!

I seem to have irked some of your comrades. All I get is the house troll backing me up.



3168. Post 12897556 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: gentlemand on November 05, 2015, 07:02:27 PM
Google Translate is on fire the last couple of days.

the capabalities of the english speakser has been splendood lately since the begonning of this bullys marketz all the most quliaties posts andz threadz it omg even more like fomo on da google translata keep upz these good infomartives speaking i loves read its verry mooch

Everyone can understand completely that I can explain my thinking to myself in English to translate their ideas using special spokesperson, I think it does a superb job. Improve and increase the future and an extraordinary meeting of the stars, so we can expect that it will be able to have children, brothers and sisters continue to bring the world closer. History will certainly be a change in the example, and the forum is a part of the heart-warming are deeply proud.

Fucking brilliant.



3169. Post 12901396 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):


Just woke up. I regret it.



3170. Post 12901949 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Feri22 on November 06, 2015, 07:28:32 AM
looks like the resistance holds up...looks very bullish atm...i think we will go up now
wow some of the posters here are seriously trying to delude others. Things do not look good, price does not look stable, yes it may go up but thats not because "things look good" if anything things look bad, really bad.... loads of people are in the red and want to get out, who exactly is going to buy ? the fake volume bot in china?

How much they pay you to write this 0 quality bullshit? If you are doing it for free, oh god you are such a fudding bullshiter...you will remain poor, but with time you will learn kid, all noobs like you did...and if not, well you will remain poor forever

Let's wait 'till he's proven wrong before we cut his head off.

Edit: Figure of speech. Forgot which forum I was posting in.

Edit 2: I need to see us blasting past $550 before I get giddy again.



3171. Post 12902016 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on November 06, 2015, 07:39:33 AM
looks like the resistance holds up...looks very bullish atm...i think we will go up now
wow some of the posters here are seriously trying to delude others. Things do not look good, price does not look stable, yes it may go up but thats not because "things look good" if anything things look bad, really bad.... loads of people are in the red and want to get out, who exactly is going to buy ? the fake volume bot in china?

How much they pay you to write this 0 quality bullshit? If you are doing it for free, oh god you are such a fudding bullshiter...you will remain poor, but with time you will learn kid, all noobs like you did...and if not, well you will remain poor forever

Nice rant. People who see the current situation as unstable and don't see high chances for a rise must be poor and will remain poor. Seems legit.
It's always fun when bagholders are releasing tension through written nonsense.

And people who haven't had the pleasure of reading your posts pre-pump might think you were talking sense. Lots of variables.



3172. Post 12903829 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: abercrombie on November 06, 2015, 05:57:34 PM
The next 24 hours will determine the future of crypto currency for the next decade.  Cool



Dafuq?

Are we rich yet?



3173. Post 12904624 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 06, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
Hey Fatman, Still mad at me...?

don't be cranky...btc will come back at some point!

"It's all mathematics"

Ask Al Pacino...it's a game of inches!

I've been on this roller coaster before. That doesn't mean I won't get sick and throw up in the bends.



3174. Post 12904785 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 06, 2015, 07:50:16 PM
even i'm bearish.

time for me to buy.

agreed



3175. Post 12904979 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Sitarow on November 06, 2015, 08:03:45 PM
even i'm bearish.

time for me to buy.

agreed

Some else one says so...


I cannot verify the validity of his shaking arrow upwards, but I wholeheartedly agree nonetheless.



3176. Post 12905228 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: brg444 on November 06, 2015, 08:36:32 PM

To anyone reading these this "study" was based on flawed assumptions and rather broken understanding of how Bitcoin's gossip network operates.

TL;DR the claims in this post don't match reality

You and hdbuck add nothing to this debate. Nothing you've said in this post can be backed up. You retract from it. You're polluting the debate.



3177. Post 12905497 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 06, 2015, 08:57:24 PM

To anyone reading these this "study" was based on flawed assumptions and rather broken understanding of how Bitcoin's gossip network operates.

TL;DR the claims in this post don't match reality

You and hdbuck add nothing to this debate. Nothing you've said in this post can be backed up. You retract from it. You're polluting the debate.

I can certainly point you to a whole thread filled with Adam's poor understanding of the networks' architecture... but you'll have to dig for it yourself if you really care

by all means do dip it up.

i recall being mostly right, except for the gossip network, but that too clearly needs improvements infact the very day i was talking about it, gavin was writing up a paper about the efficiency ( or lack thereof ) in bitcoin's current gossip network implementation.

bitcoin is not a holly ledger, and yes there is much improvements to be made at its core.

I'd love a link from either of you.



3178. Post 12905748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 06, 2015, 09:30:47 PM
wtf i dont get why i get so much heat every time i suggest that improvements can be made and scalability can be overcome.

you trolls are paid by blockstream or something...

There are such things as assholes in this world.



3179. Post 12905796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: infofront on November 06, 2015, 09:52:48 PM
wtf i dont get why i get so much heat every time i suggest that improvements can be made and scalability can be overcome.

you trolls are paid by blockstream or something...

There are such things as assholes in this world.

If something like 15% of the real world population is an asshole, the number must be approaching at least 40% on the internet.

And in this forum?



3180. Post 12906353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):


O ye of little faith




3181. Post 12906404 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):


Let us Bathe in The Glory of its Magnificence.




3182. Post 12906655 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Tzupy on November 07, 2015, 12:12:27 AM
I got tired of waiting for the next round of the dump, and closed my short for a tiny profit, have to get some sleep. Angry
If tomorrow I'll see 340$ I might pull some hairs... And from now on I'm going to take profits sooner...

Bjørnen sover, bjørnen sover, i sitt lune hi.
Den er ikke farlig, bare man går varlig.
Men man kan jo, men man kan jo, aldri være....

TRYGG!!!



3183. Post 12906764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on November 07, 2015, 12:43:00 AM
Panic sellers done dumping to the accumulators?

The accumulators already bought.  Bulls don't have any fiat left to spend. 

You do know you're a bit late to the bear party?



3184. Post 12906796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on November 07, 2015, 12:50:31 AM
Panic sellers done dumping to the accumulators?

The accumulators already bought.  Bulls don't have any fiat left to spend.  

You do know you're a bit late to the bear party?

I'm not a permabear. I'll switch back as soon as the first block gets mined >1MB.

LOL! You're a stubborn bastard, that's for sure!

Make it happen schnappy though.

I WANNA BUY A BOAT!!!!




3185. Post 12906868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 07, 2015, 01:00:49 AM
Panic sellers done dumping to the accumulators?

The accumulators already bought.  Bulls don't have any fiat left to spend. 

You do know you're a bit late to the bear party?

I'm not a permabear. I'll switch back as soon as the first block gets mined >1MB.

LOL! You're a stubborn bastard, that's for sure!

Make it happen schnappy though.

I WANNA BUY A BOAT!!!!

You get any of that pit pat piffy this week, brother? Do you have one of those trading strategies Huh

Well, I had to contact Bitstamp support because I hadn't used my account since December 2013. I thought "Ooh! This might go through the roof! I might get to buy a boat!". And that's about it.

I am not selling a coin for under $1500 and I'll have to see $2500 for the rest. Maybe.



3186. Post 12906953 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: peonminer on November 07, 2015, 01:10:34 AM
ccmf?
https://youtu.be/R7yfISlGLNU


Panic sellers done dumping to the accumulators?

The accumulators already bought.  Bulls don't have any fiat left to spend. 

You do know you're a bit late to the bear party?

I'm not a permabear. I'll switch back as soon as the first block gets mined >1MB.

LOL! You're a stubborn bastard, that's for sure!

Make it happen schnappy though.

I WANNA BUY A BOAT!!!!

You get any of that pit pat piffy this week, brother? Do you have one of those trading strategies Huh

I know. I just wonder how I'm going to befriend a black guy who wears a top hat. I haven't thought about that before. It seemed like such a far fetched dream. I live in the north of Norway. We have 4 months of night in the winter.  The few black guys I've seen chew vitamin D like tick tacks just not to croak. You think you've got all the bases covered, but life just jumps up and punches you in the face.



3187. Post 12909937 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on November 07, 2015, 08:03:57 AM
Kind of off-putting to see all this "demanding" by the users ... if you want something build it.

Kind of off-putting to see all these senior members of the Bitcoin community telling people who care about Bitcoin to not have an opinion.

It's ugly. It's sad.

If any of you right wing nutters want to look at the face of tyranny, look no further.

Look at how Gmaxwell, Theymos and Beck treat the Bitcoin community. Look at all the goons trying to shut us up rather than showing the way forward.

This isn't github. If you look down on me because I have an opinion, then you're the problem.



3188. Post 12910169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: hdbuck on November 07, 2015, 11:51:13 AM
Kind of off-putting to see all this "demanding" by the users ... if you want something build it.

Kind of off-putting to see all these senior members of the Bitcoin community telling people who care about Bitcoin to not have an opinion.

It's ugly. It's sad.

If any of you right wing nutters want to look at the face of tyranny, look no further.

Look at how Gmaxwell, Theymos and Beck treat the Bitcoin community. Look at all the goons trying to shut us up rather than showing the way forward.

This isn't github. If you look down on me because I have an opinion, then you're the problem.

fork of already. sell all your bitcoins! what you waiting for?
big block aint coming.
so do switch you node to xt, buy an antiminer A1 and grow your corporatist network all together you tireless noobs.

friggin unbelievable how arrogant and self centered you kids are.

Case in point.



3189. Post 12910635 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 07, 2015, 12:55:54 PM
Kind of off-putting to see all this "demanding" by the users ... if you want something build it.

Kind of off-putting to see all these senior members of the Bitcoin community telling people who care about Bitcoin to not have an opinion.

It's ugly. It's sad.

If any of you right wing nutters want to look at the face of tyranny, look no further.

Look at how Gmaxwell, Theymos and Beck treat the Bitcoin community. Look at all the goons trying to shut us up rather than showing the way forward.

This isn't github. If you look down on me because I have an opinion, then you're the problem.

fork of already. sell all your bitcoins! what you waiting for?
big block aint coming.
so do switch you node to xt, buy an antiminer A1 and grow your corporatist network all together you tireless noobs.

friggin unbelievable how arrogant and self centered you kids are.

Case in point.

yea, keep the bitching, you are nothing.

dont expect others to do the work for you.

it's cristal clear now that core devs wont go along, so how about you go whine at heandresen ph0undation and ver's new 'commercial' ph0rum to finally get lost by january in your morbid ph0rk.



Why you so butthurt? You got a lama up your ass?


just tired of reading the same nonsense all over the place.

you wannabes invaded this forum, where we once would have real debates and technical conversations.

now its trolls and kiddos bitching around.

so i say let's settle this once and for all.

FORK OFF.




LOL!



3190. Post 12913604 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on November 07, 2015, 06:20:31 PM

Are you [ehem..]? What is the mental deficiency here? Ok, how about basic math, that should be uncontroversial, right?  A block reward of 25 BTC with BTC trading at $300 or a block reward of 12.5 BTC with BTC trading at $800----which is greater, Einstein??

WE PAY THE MINERS BECAUSE WE DETERMINE THE PRICE WE ARE WILLING TO BUY AT. Why is it so hard to get such a simple concept into your [ahem,,,] [..cough..] skulls?


Jeebus, BJA!

I've never seen you like this.



3191. Post 12914215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: MatTheCat on November 07, 2015, 07:59:46 PM
I think this is gentlemen tonight!

What is 'gentlemen' tonight?



3192. Post 12914380 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):



                                           "Waiting for the halfling"



3193. Post 12915215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Feri22 on November 07, 2015, 11:07:33 PM
Hasn't broken anywhere yet. But yeah, something's gotta give within the next 24 hours.

Wait, are you saying the next 24h are critical?

Oh yeah!




3194. Post 12918734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):



My current sentiment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_z4nSkQt8g  (audio nsfw)

Roughly.



3195. Post 12920272 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on November 08, 2015, 01:53:22 PM
Why is the hashrate dropping? Under 400 PH/s...

Probably just bad luck in finding blocks.



3196. Post 12920674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: mm5aes on November 08, 2015, 03:05:13 PM
Why is the hashrate dropping? Under 400 PH/s...

Erm? You tried refreshing you're screen?



Bitcoin Difficulty:   62,253,982,450
Estimated Next Difficulty:   65,484,040,661 (+5.19%)
Adjust time:   After 423 Blocks, About 2.8 days
Hashrate(?):   458,547,732 GH/s

(https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty)

Confused I am......

There was a dip a little while ago.



But it doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary.



3197. Post 12920743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 08, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
good morning bitcoin land.

I was expecting waking up to some big move, so i am kinda disappointed....

remarkable how the coins were bought at the first sign of a dump and then price promptly went back >380.

no matter, THE PLUNGE is coming!

That's comforting.



3198. Post 12921028 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: oda.krell on November 08, 2015, 03:37:14 PM
That chart analysis talks about leveraged shorting as the reason why this recent rally didn't go up to $1200 and why it's going down from here.  Do we not also have leveraged long trades now too lol?  I'm not understanding this point at all.

With leveraged trading, anyone can go long and anyone can go short. Prior to leveraged trading, anyone could "go long" because going long meant exchanging fiat for bitcoin, and 100% of traders have fiat. Conversely, going short meant selling bitcoin for fiat, and the percentage of traders with bitcoin was way less than 100%. If you did not hold any bitcoin and you wanted to short it, then you'd have to buy some first before you could dump it on the market. Make sense?

EDIT: The creation of leveraged trading was therefore necessarily bearish for bitcoin. I wish I had understood that two years ago lol ...

You would have a point if the currently available leverage would be 1:1 in either direction, but that's not the case.

During the pre-leverage era, "long" meant 1:1 (i.e. non leveraged buying and selling), and a symmetric operation i.e. "shorting" was simply impossible (on the dominant exchange, that is). Today, the market offers 20:1 leverage in either directions (futures on OKC, iirc), i.e. from 1:1 to 20:1 for longs, and from na to 20:1 for shorts.

That's a lot less 'bearish' impact than the change you seem to describe, where longs stayed the same, and only shorts went from nothing to 1:1.


I think the very fact that there is shorting at all is more significant than just being one more number on the road to 20x leverage. On the other hand, with easily available shorting opportunities buyers should be confident that the price reflects genuine interest at least.



3199. Post 12921725 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: MatTheCat on November 08, 2015, 04:41:16 PM
^No need to rub it in, ChartBuddy. They know what they've done Cry


pfft..big scary walls around the spot price at 'critical points' are more often than not, erected to be devoured, no doubt by the very same people who put them there to begin with....

....Just watch.

The same wall that's been here for the last 4-5 months? Sure, but he might be aiming higher than $385.

Quote from: aztecminer on November 08, 2015, 05:17:33 PM


four days sideways bubble pumped ?? about to go to new highs next week ?? or what ??

Bitcoin came back to make right what was wronged. Jump on the choo choo!



3200. Post 12921897 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 08, 2015, 05:23:19 PM
^No need to rub it in, ChartBuddy. They know what they've done Cry


pfft..big scary walls around the spot price at 'critical points' are more often than not, erected to be devoured, no doubt by the very same people who put them there to begin with....

....Just watch.

The same wall that's been here for the last 4-5 months? Sure, but he might be aiming higher than $385.



four days sideways bubble pumped ?? about to go to new highs next week ?? or what ??

Bitcoin came to make right what was wronged. Jump on the choo choo!

Wall that ain't no wall...

What Ya think of my new sig!  Cheesy

You mean this one?:

"Fatmans Soup Kitchen!No Shirt...No Shoes...No Teeth OK"
BTC Coffee Cup & Food Bowl 1BhFeFiz3sFpXYNzhkWPQHPTQ5qaM9f79r
Twitter @ohyperjacked


The one where you're mocking the homeless while asking for donations?

It sort of speaks for itself.



3201. Post 12921973 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 08, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
Quote
Quote
Hey Fatman!

Wall that ain't no wall...


What Ya think of my new sig!  Cheesy


You mean this one?:

"Fatmans Soup Kitchen!No Shirt...No Shoes...No Teeth OK"
BTC Coffee Cup & Food Bowl 1BhFeFiz3sFpXYNzhkWPQHPTQ5qaM9f79r
Twitter @ohyperjacked


The one where you're mocking the homeless while asking for donations?

It sort of speaks for itself.

Wow! You are self-assuming among other things...

I was raised by a single mother whose husband left and refused paying child support! It was different being a street kid in NYC in the 1970's but you would not know anything about that and you know less about me!

I'm not assuming anything. I'm just reading what you write and answering your question. I don't see how the context you've provided is relevant.

Edit: I'd advice you to let it go. We're not going to see eye to eye on this.



3202. Post 12922878 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 08, 2015, 07:49:45 PM
look at that hourly tiny red candle with 6k volume!

support is way stronger than I expected. was THE PLUNGE intercepted  Huh

starting to get nervous

Quote from: Fatman3001 on November 08, 2015, 03:22:04 PM
good morning bitcoin land.

I was expecting waking up to some big move, so i am kinda disappointed....

remarkable how the coins were bought at the first sign of a dump and then price promptly went back >380.

no matter, THE PLUNGE is coming!

That's comforting.

You know where we're heading.



3203. Post 12922921 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 08, 2015, 08:03:31 PM
look at that hourly tiny red candle with 6k volume!

support is way stronger than I expected. was THE PLUNGE intercepted  Huh

starting to get nervous

good morning bitcoin land.

I was expecting waking up to some big move, so i am kinda disappointed....

remarkable how the coins were bought at the first sign of a dump and then price promptly went back >380.

no matter, THE PLUNGE is coming!

That's comforting.

You know where we're heading.


Nope. No idea. And I never really did Undecided

Ssssshhhhh!! I'm trying to freak out Adam.



3204. Post 12923040 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):



Manipulation be tricky.

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 08, 2015, 08:09:39 PM

I'll put on my doooom face then.



Ahhh. Good times.



3205. Post 12923085 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: oda.krell on November 08, 2015, 08:21:40 PM


Any further questions?



Sure



uh..

I mean, price? up or down?



3206. Post 12923493 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: empowering on November 08, 2015, 09:12:52 PM
evening ya bunch of reprobates...... how is it hangin?  Cool

I think there's a definitive lack of DOOOOOM!!!


Quote from: empowering on November 08, 2015, 09:15:30 PM
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Oh, there you go. Thanks!



3207. Post 12923532 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: oda.krell on November 08, 2015, 09:04:17 PM

[booming voice] Weakly leaning towards ~300 retest over the next week or two. [/booming voice]

Thanks!

Quote
Nevermind... necessary perception of reality as stochastic processes is perhaps exactly what distinguishes us from our vision of what a 'higher being' would be.

Darn, would have been so cool to be talking to a god.



3208. Post 12923587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 08, 2015, 09:28:50 PM

[booming voice] Weakly leaning towards ~300 retest over the next week or two. [/booming voice]

Thanks!

Quote
Nevermind... necessary perception of reality as stochastic processes is perhaps exactly what distinguishes us from our vision of what a 'higher being' would be.

Darn, would have been so cool to be talking to a god.



If it's any consolation...

Put away your key you creepy bastard!



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3210. Post 12923999 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: Feri22 on November 08, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
What's wrong with y'all? We're WAY above where we were a month ago. We'll go back up soon enough. The fundamentals are still good!

Exactly, calm down gentlemen...We will get there sooner or later...We all want the same thing

We're calm. Just chillin.




3211. Post 12924037 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):


OK, FUCKERS!!! IT'S WHIPLASH TIME!!!


It's worth a shot.



3212. Post 12924175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: rpietila on November 08, 2015, 10:35:53 PM
Yeah, after consuming 2 bottles of DP 2004 this week, it came to mind that I was drinking the same stuff also when celebrating $100. That was mind-blown, becoming a millionaire by holding virtual money!!

(I don't mean $500 was not nice, but the first time always feels best)

WTH! I didn't know DP came in bottles! What would that taste like?



3213. Post 12924188 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.32h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on November 08, 2015, 11:03:03 PM
Yeah, after consuming 2 bottles of DP 2004 this week, it came to mind that I was drinking the same stuff also when celebrating $100. That was mind-blown, becoming a millionaire by holding virtual money!!

(I don't mean $500 was not nice, but the first time always feels best)

WTH! I didn't know DP came in bottles! What would that taste like?

Dr. Pepper?

Makes sense.



3214. Post 12927646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

BAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!

To all of those who's followed this thread for the last year:


$374!!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!





3215. Post 12928035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: (.)(.) on November 09, 2015, 11:20:20 AM
Down baby down, I need to buy btc with cash that I sold @ +$400.


It never fails.



3216. Post 12928158 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: ImI on November 09, 2015, 11:35:53 AM

but......but.........bears said sell  Huh


It turns out bears are just stupid berry picking animals.



Bulls got them brass balls.



3217. Post 12928206 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: kromtar on November 09, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
but, bears you promise double digit coins  Cry

how you performing with your short at 245? that hurt lol



3218. Post 12929293 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: MatTheCat on November 09, 2015, 01:47:30 PM
The people who sold at $2....$230....$365

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Market swings slightest one way, one team come out with their memes, market swings the other way, and then the other team come out....


U do all realise that Bitcoin is now highly likey to retest $670 zone, and then back up to  $680 after that, etc etc.....y all going to get all excited, wet yer pants and post yer memes each and every single time?

Yes.



3219. Post 12929356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

In case you people haven't noticed, we have a bit of a pest control problem with a user formerly known as NotLambChop/lambie who's creating a flurry of newbie accounts to troll the shit out of us.

There's even a list which we sort of gave up on, but if we post the newbie trolls in there it might get updated.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1019752.0



3220. Post 12929607 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 09, 2015, 02:31:23 PM
In case you people haven't noticed, we have a bit of a pest control problem with a user formerly known as NotLambChop/lambie who's creating a flurry of newbie accounts to troll the shit out of us.

There's even a list which we sort of gave up on, but if we post the newbie trolls in there it might get updated.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1019752.0

Are we to assume his Junior Member 'yolalanda' account (or whatever it was) is now perma banned?

It must be why he's creating all the new one's?

That would be so cool. But I think he cherishes his farmed accounts too much to put them in the spotlight now when the heat is up.



3221. Post 12929784 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 09, 2015, 02:45:07 PM
In case you people haven't noticed, we have a bit of a pest control problem with a user formerly known as NotLambChop/lambie who's creating a flurry of newbie accounts to troll the shit out of us.

There's even a list which we sort of gave up on, but if we post the newbie trolls in there it might get updated.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1019752.0

Are we to assume his Junior Member 'yolalanda' account (or whatever it was) is now perma banned?

It must be why he's creating all the new one's?

It's about time he was banned. This forum does have a problem with troll accounts, worst I've seen on any forum.

it was monero holder which trollolololing all the thread in this forum. the same troll bear here with the name of "yourmother" is a known troll which hold monero

Are you saying that our little house troll is one of those twats who think they're cool because they hold Monero and run Manjaro with a Fedora server in the basement?




3222. Post 12929838 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):



Just waiting for an upgrade.



3223. Post 12930296 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: cbeast on November 09, 2015, 03:30:15 PM


I had one of those. Couldn't use it at night because the keyboard sounded like machine gun fire.



3224. Post 12930502 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Gap between China and the west seems to be narrowing.

Will be interesting to see how people react to that.

There's no real reason why China needs to lead all the way to the promised land.



3225. Post 12930534 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: macsga on November 09, 2015, 04:21:37 PM
He who shotrs now will regret laser...  Roll Eyes
- Unknown

Someone in the depths of the Guangdong province is really disappointed with that dump.



3226. Post 12931825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 09, 2015, 07:04:45 PM
what happens when 5 million bitcoin bulls says " i'll just hit the buy button with 500$ for the hell of it " and then realize they actually wanted to hit buy with 5000$???


were going to mars boys!

That looks more like Mars is crashing into the Earth.



3227. Post 12931980 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: mrkavasaki on November 09, 2015, 07:24:27 PM
next year we will probably see double digits Undecided

so sell from now might be not so stupid


You mean double digits with a K behind?



3228. Post 12932010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: qwk on November 09, 2015, 07:25:44 PM
It also looks like the subsequent crash into Earth will no longer be a problem, since everyone's already been killed by huge tsunamis caused by Mars' gravitational influence at that point Cool

Not me. I'll be ON A BOAT!!!



3229. Post 12932282 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 09, 2015, 08:10:56 PM


Not me. I'll be ON A BOAT!!!

Monohull or catamaran


I think I'd like this for the apocalypse.

For sale now for 1,5 mill NOK.



3230. Post 12933364 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 09, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
China rally is re-started, might be a huge breakout coming:



I see what you mean. Looking good.



3231. Post 12933543 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 09, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
I really hope this is Stofl's campus Cheesy

Brazilian University Accepts Bitcoin, Installs Campus ATM

LOL!!!

It's not his uni, but it is his city!

Probably did it just to annoy him.

We only get to experience the text version. How do you think he is in real life?

"Professor of e-learning Rubim Leandro said he believes adding bitcoin as a payment method will further cement FIAP's standing as a local leader in technology."

Burn! That's got to hurt.

Srsly. Best news all year!



3232. Post 12935882 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

@hdbuck please die



3233. Post 12937043 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on November 09, 2015, 10:20:58 AM
BAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!

To all of those who's followed this thread for the last year:


$374 $378!!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!





3234. Post 12937595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: oda.krell on November 10, 2015, 09:33:14 AM
Anyone with a bit of a deeper network and cryptography knowledge care to comment on this technical proposal:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-ng-or-how-cornell-researchers-think-a-radical-redesign-can-solve-bitcoin-s-scaling-issues-1447108649

Basic idea seems to be to decouple proof of work blocks from transactions blocks (while keeping the two connected, obviously), without the usual trade off that means more tx -> bigger blocks.

Looks plausible to me, and actually a lot less "radical" than, say, turning Bitcoin into a proof-of-stake system. That said, I don't have sufficient technical knowledge to judge if it only appears plausible at a glance or if there's a catch I don't see right now.

(... he asked on the Wall Observer thread, thinking "What could possibly go wrong?")

This is an idiots (that is me) take on it:

It addresses mining centralization. But mining centralization is sort of a lost cause because of the economics of mining. And sort of not a problem because of the economics of it. Mining will go the areas with the cheapest electricity, globally. Sending work to a server connected to good fiber can be done anywhere in the world. There is a built in incentive to keep the network robust and decentralized to a certain degree. This has been put to the test recently (ghash.io) and I'd say Bitcoin passed.

The idea of "poison transactions" is a bit unclear to me. If it solely relies on lost rewards as a way of incentivizing miners to remain honest, then I think that is sort of naive. If anyone wants to build a sufficiently large farm to mine blocks on their own, then they either want to protect the network or attack the network. Not commit theft.

As far as I can see Bitcoin NG doesn't address node centralization, which I think is the most contentious issue. All of these transactions on the microblock will need to be communicated. And I don't see how unlimited microblocks every 10s will lead to less bloat or less network demands on the node.

Edit: Turns out Gavin Andresen agrees with me on the last part:

"It's an interesting idea, but it isn't a scaling solution-- the same amount of transaction data has to get to every fully-validating node, it doesn't matter if it is sent in the microblocks of the Bitcoin-NG proposal or the blocks we have now."



3235. Post 12938172 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Difference between China and the west is down to $5.



3236. Post 12939120 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on November 10, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
BAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!?

To all of those who's followed this thread for the last year:


$374 $378 $356!!!!!? WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!?





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3238. Post 12939581 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: MatTheCat on November 10, 2015, 04:31:44 PM
Looks like the whale has finally tired of the "keep-selling-into-my-own-walls" game.  Cause no takers, he's not making any money.  So no bounce.  Cry

Will be much more fun to margin call the leveraged longs on the way down.

Leveraged Longs are about half the USD amount of the Shorts. You would have to go back to March 2015, until you got to a point where the leveraged longs were as low as they are now on Bitfinex. Shorts are pretty low as well, but still more than twice the volume of the longs......





.... I think you'll find you've forgot a zero. Shorts are way below longs in USD.



3239. Post 12939761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: MatTheCat on November 10, 2015, 04:39:55 PM
.... I think you'll find you've forgot a zero. Shorts are way below longs in USD.

Fuck me! Yer right n all!

Longs are like 5 times larger in volume than shorts!....

but never mind, Stamp Whale has decided to start buying into his own Ask walls now, so here comes the bounce.

No bounce. Christmas is cancelled.



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3243. Post 12941796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

 Well, at least volume is up.



3244. Post 12941828 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Turdarasorus on November 10, 2015, 09:26:50 PM
Oh God oh god oh GOD!!!
Guys, please don't sell and just hodl! Because if we go below 350 I just don't know what I would do Cry

I have a list of ideas for you, porkchops.



3245. Post 12941885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):


Sub $280 here we come!




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3250. Post 12942133 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: BlackSpidy on November 10, 2015, 10:02:07 PM
So, turns out there goes the $10 bounce I was looking for. $30 dollars below what I bought in at. Today I learned I'm not that good a trader, who would have known!? $330 is holding at the moment, We've making history here. I'm glad to be part of a more active market.


It sucks being the guy in the back.



3251. Post 12942151 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: fonsie on November 10, 2015, 10:07:47 PM
So, turns out there goes the $10 bounce I was looking for. $30 dollars below what I bought in at. Today I learned I'm not that good a trader, who would have known!? $330 is holding at the moment, We've making history here. I'm glad to be part of a more active market.
https://media.giphy.com/media/zMri0j4LqXTMs/giphy.gif

It sucks being the guy in the back.

A bit hard to concentrate with that in front of you.

Sure, that's the problem.



3252. Post 12942209 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on November 09, 2015, 07:11:09 PM
what happens when 5 million bitcoin bulls says " i'll just hit the buy button with 500$ for the hell of it " and then realize they actually wanted to hit buy with 5000$???


were going to mars boys!

That looks more like Mars is crashing into the Earth.



3253. Post 12942316 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 10, 2015, 10:33:43 PM
that bottom pic was just to horrific   

I aim to please.



3254. Post 12942353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: fonsie on November 10, 2015, 10:39:15 PM
pointless pump going on

In order to squash hope you have to give 'em some.



3255. Post 12942418 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Torque on November 10, 2015, 10:49:17 PM
So, turns out there goes the $10 bounce I was looking for. $30 dollars below what I bought in at. Today I learned I'm not that good a trader, who would have known!? $330 is holding at the moment, We've making history here. I'm glad to be part of a more active market.


It sucks being the guy in the back.

Not really, that's her X-Men stunt trainer that makes a shit ton of money.  Plus he has a great view.  Grin

You hear that BlackSpidey? You're making a ton of money!!!



3256. Post 12942431 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: fonsie on November 10, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
Can we get some more bottom pics, just to confirm??


No bottoms. This show has just started.



3257. Post 12942474 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Tmdz on November 10, 2015, 10:55:25 PM
Now that all the bears are out of the way we can have some real growth, well hopefully that isn't some hallucination

You mean some "organic growth"?



You can buy that shit with USD now.



3258. Post 12942506 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: fonsie on November 10, 2015, 11:02:01 PM
Can we get some more bottom pics, just to confirm??
Can't wait to see what you've got for us when we hit 250$.



3259. Post 12942745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):





"I am not HAPPY!!!"



3260. Post 12942788 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 10, 2015, 11:53:00 PM


Is that a challenge?




3261. Post 12942793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

egh...

Screw it, I'm going to bed.



3262. Post 12950318 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

FATMAN WAS HERE!!!

14K!!!!



3263. Post 12950770 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 11, 2015, 09:04:46 PM
FATMAN WAS HERE!!!

14K!!!!

you ever gonna give a guy a sip of coffee wit all those profits...?

? What's worse a homeless man in need or some jamoke on bitcointalk begging for pros advice?

I'm sure I'm supposed to be offended, but what are you trying to communicate?

Who's advice?

What profit?

WTH is a Jamoke?

Quote from: Shunak on November 11, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
FATMAN WAS HERE!!!

14K!!!!
14k sathoshis?

pages



3264. Post 12951457 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 11, 2015, 09:21:02 PM
Fatman, You bashed me relentlessly for having a homeless coffee tip address for ppl that can empathize...not for me but so you can do a good deed and you bashed me! Funny thing is you sit on here begging for pros advice which is much worse because the homeless person only wants a meal and you want an island of your own!
maybe you are blind and don't see it...


I appreciate the contributions of many and most of the people who regularly drops by this thread. I even enjoy reading what some of the self-professed "Pro Traders", who only come here to rape Bitcoin like some shitcoin, say.

And I have not attacked you relentlessly. I have given you plenty of opportunity to move on, but you insist on droning on about it. But again, look at how you talk about those homeless people who you claim to be the objects of your selfless compassion. Basically they're not as bad as me, but pretty bad. You wear your "charity credentials" like a fucking piece of jewelry, but your disdain for these people shines through in everything you've said here.

It disgusts me. You disgust me.



3265. Post 12951646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 11, 2015, 11:02:14 PM
Fatman, You bashed me relentlessly for having a homeless coffee tip address for ppl that can empathize...not for me but so you can do a good deed and you bashed me! Funny thing is you sit on here begging for pros advice which is much worse because the homeless person only wants a meal and you want an island of your own!
maybe you are blind and don't see it...


I appreciate the contributions of many and most of the people who regularly drops by this thread. I even enjoy reading what some of the self-professed "Pro Traders", who only come here to rape Bitcoin like some shitcoin, say.

And I have not attacked you relentlessly. I have given you plenty of opportunity to move on, but you insist on droning on about it. But again, look at how you talk about those homeless people who you claim to be the objects of your selfless compassion. Basically they're not as bad as me, but pretty bad. You wear your "charity credentials" like a fucking piece of jewelry, but your disdain for these people shines through in everything you've said here.

It disgusts me. You disgust me.

i disgust you? Your arguments have been weak...all the while begging the direction of some Hero members!

I have been calling this market since Mark K at Gox...show some respect!



You've been chanting "Ooooh, something's going to happen, but I ain't telling". I guess we're all oracles here then.

Not that it matters. Your use of other peoples misery to make yourself look good warrants no respect. It makes anything else you might have achieved null and void.



3266. Post 12958701 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):



lambie? lambi! lambie...
lambie? lambie, lambie.
lambiiieee!!!! lambie...



3267. Post 12958826 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: makeacake on November 12, 2015, 07:33:53 PM
.@Fattyfatfat: Every time you lose another dollar, an angel gets his wings! Smiley



YOU'RE BROKE, LOL!

Poor lambie. Basic arithmetic crept up and took you from behind again.

Have you ever been to Wales? You'd love it. Wonderful people.



3268. Post 12959236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Tzupy on November 12, 2015, 08:30:54 PM



                                     "Snignygnygny!!!!"



3269. Post 12960165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Richy_T on November 12, 2015, 10:04:09 PM

Blocks-to-halvening.

You're a genius.



3270. Post 12964762 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on October 31, 2015, 05:14:24 PM


BAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!
WE ARE WINNING!!!!!






3271. Post 12964770 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on November 13, 2015, 04:17:54 AM








Explanation


Brilliant!



3272. Post 12965205 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Lambie does seem a bit emotional lately. Sort of defensive. Not as cool and detached as usual.

As if he recently lost a fortune.

Ahhhhhhh..........




3273. Post 12965735 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: GGALINff on November 13, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
so Russia bombing someone means they want them to use the Ruble?

Not that I can follow the rest of this crazy conversation, but yes. They want Crimea and Eastern Ukraine to use the ruble and they want Syria to enter weapons contracts in rubles. Like they did with Venezuela and North Korea. It's not their main objective, but it's part of the symbolic power struggle Russia thinks it's having with the rest of the world.



3274. Post 12967231 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Feri22 on November 13, 2015, 07:59:29 PM
IMO in a couple of hours either start a pump to 360$  and crash from there (after some sideways) or just crash.

What about just a pump?

It would have to pick up some fuel and interest on the way up then. Volume is paltry, relatively speaking.



3275. Post 12968857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: DieJohnny on November 14, 2015, 12:43:20 AM
Lets be real clear here sheeple. Today Nov 13th, 2013....

You can buy bitcoin for the same price they were for sale TWO YEARS AGO.

You may never say those words again until 2023....

Some of you are dicking with yourself thinking your will be so excited to buy coins below $300 soon. Get over it, that is like a whole stupid 10% holy shit, don't be left holding your dicks when you wake up each morning and the price is at $600, then $1200.

This thing will gap up multiple times, then you will be standing there some date in the not-too-distant future thinking you were sooo stupid on Nov 13th, 2015 thinking bitcoin was overvalued.......

I can understand why people try to take it easy on Friday the 13th. Tomorrow should be fun.

Edit: Holy crap! Turned on the news and there's friggin armageddon out there!

Looks like Europe is going to war soon.



3276. Post 12971422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on November 14, 2015, 10:32:28 AM
Lol. We have seen it at over 400 just a week or so before, how isn't 390 possible? Huh?

You can bet if we see another unexpected rise the powers that bit will drop tens of thousands of coins on its head again. We're on a short leash here.

 ... and who are you, the watcher?

He is the keymaster.

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 08, 2015, 09:28:50 PM


If it's any consolation...



3277. Post 12972029 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Eric Cartman on November 14, 2015, 12:13:35 PM
we keep getting these massive volume no movement hourly candles on stamps.

like 6 hours ago, how do you get 7K volume when price moved 2$

walls of course, and that's what is this topic about

I think Adam knows what this thread is about.

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 14, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
we keep getting these massive volume no movement hourly candles on stamps.

like 6 hours ago, how do you get 7K volume when price moved 2$

did you look at gemini Huh they got movement alright  Shocked Shocked Shocked

 http://bitcoinity.org/markets/gemini/USD

lol 2000$ / BTC WTF!

gemini must have a very confusing GUI poeple keep fat finger trading


OTOH it should be interesting to put up some "unrealistic" asks and bids in there.



3278. Post 12972512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 14, 2015, 01:28:47 PM
suddenly i had this bearish feeling come over me and i sold all my bitcoins.

see you all sub 300 suckers!

Ok, so we're going up then.


CHOO CHOO!!!

Edit: TBH I think we might see a slow bleed or sideways for a couple of days. A lot of the traders the wales are trying to communicate movements to are probably busy with figuring out how the latest terrorist attacks will affect commodities and stocks. France is probably going to war. They might try to get other NATO countries with them as well.

Edit 2: "Hollande said the attacks were “an act of war" committed by the Islamic State group’s "terrorist army”."

http://www.france24.com/en/20151114-paris-attacks-president-hollande-act-war-islamic-state-group-terrorism-france

That kind of language has a specific meaning. They're communicating that they see the conditions for invoking NATO's Article 5 as being fulfilled.



3279. Post 12973067 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):


I momentarily forgot what a den of nutters this is.

Thx for reminding me, ppl!



3280. Post 12973337 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Here you go lambie:

"In Democracy Hoppe describes a fully libertarian society of "covenant communities" made up of residents who have signed an agreement defining the nature of that community. Hoppe writes "There would be little or no ‘tolerance’ and ‘openmindedness’ so dear to left-libertarians. Instead, one would be on the right path toward restoring the freedom of association and exclusion implied in the institution of private property". Hoppe writes that towns and villages could have warning signs saying "no beggars, bums, or homeless, but also no homosexuals, drug users, Jews, Moslems, Germans, or Zulus"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe#Expulsion_of_homosexuals_and_political_dissidents_from_Hoppe.27s_libertarian_order

Knock yourself out!



3281. Post 12973677 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 14, 2015, 04:39:11 PM
Hoppe writes that towns and villages could have warning signs saying "no beggars, bums, or homeless, but also no homosexuals, drug users, Jews, Moslems, Germans, or Zulus"."[/i]
How bitcoiny! Smiley
"Nigger, Don't Let The Sun Set On YOU In Hoppethorne"

Thanks for quoting Fatman...Not! I have him on ignore for a reason...

No wonder Fatman has such an issue with helping homeless ppl!

Funny thing is homeless has a dual meaning...it also means the retail homeless beggars looking for advice from the seasoned institutional professionals! Fatman is homeless and doesn't even know it!

Cheers Cool



3282. Post 12975251 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

@JJG

Sorry 'bout the reversal and stuff, but:

"...and goes to show really bad judgement in their lack of credibility building foresight."

How do you build these amazing sentences?

What does it even mean?

Do you work for an insurance company?



3283. Post 12975482 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on November 14, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
@JJG

Sorry 'bout the reversal and stuff, but:

"...and goes to show really bad judgement in their lack of credibility building foresight."

How do you build these amazing sentences?

What does it even mean?

Do you work for an insurance company?

The chosen words are meant to capture my thoughts at the moment.

The meaning of my words should make sense, no?  An exchange (Gemini) is fairly new on the bitcoin trading scene, and they have a bit of thinness in their trading books because they are still attempting to build their client-base.  Thereafter, they pull these kinds of trade reversal shenanigans that is hardly heard of in professional trading.  Such conduct seems amature.. and really unnecessary.

On the other hand, if they wanted to keep their institutional client, or whoever else it was that made such fat thumbs trade error, then maybe Gemini should consider some potential compromise solution that does not necessarily involve reversing a bunch of trades - especially trades that are reasonably within bitcoin's current trading price.  $300, $400 $500 are all reasonably within price ranges that BTC prices can go in a quick way.

I was just in awe of your abilities and style. But yeah, Bitcoin trading with backsies makes no sense.



3284. Post 12975975 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):

Quote from: molecular on November 14, 2015, 10:35:18 PM
Private property goes pari passu with the state, more specifically with its laws. No state, no private property, because in the wild might is right: if someone stronger than you points at your property and says "that is mine" you can't do nothing but obey or be deprived coercively.

I could easily pay someone even stronger to protect my private property. Doesn't have to be state, does it?


But then they control the property, not you. You can call it yours if you want, but it really isn't.

If someone built an army strong enough to protect your property from any threat out there, they're not going to give a flying fluck about your claim to that property. This is why conventional anarchists are opposed to private property. The result is pretty much the same, but at least they see the problem.


BTW, could the price stop rallying? I'm having trouble posting this thing when everyone get so excited.



3285. Post 12975985 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.33h):


I think someone is trying to tell us something.



3286. Post 12976020 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Maybe Mr.FatFingers at Gemini banged his fist at the keyboard again.



3287. Post 12976029 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Torque on November 14, 2015, 10:51:03 PM
Epic short squeeze.  Lone whale is still in control.

On stamp?



3288. Post 12976078 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 14, 2015, 10:57:54 PM
oops, forgot to warn u guise

You make a terrible watcher Angry

lol



3289. Post 12981160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



Talking your book won't stop the rocket.



3290. Post 12981618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



                      "I thought he was a "Pro Trader"?"



 "Lambie's been trolling him for weeks now and he hasn't got a clue"



3291. Post 12982302 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 15, 2015, 07:41:55 PM
Oh look, 10 one star account posts in a row all from the same paid-for shill saying Bitcoin is going to 0.  Cointelpro/Mossad is way dumber than I thought.  When you post with more shill accounts than actual forum users, all you do is blow your own cover.  Way to go idiots.


"Cointelpro/Mossad"

Please explain as if I were a five year old.




3292. Post 12982494 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 15, 2015, 07:59:10 PM

LOL! what a wanna be...seal...!

You can always see through the fake guys a mile away!



3293. Post 12982695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



Can't wait



3294. Post 12982974 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 15, 2015, 03:39:13 PM
Quote
"Mr. Colon claims he's a victim, too. He says he was trying to deal in something called Bit-coin, which I don't understand..."





http://www.coindesk.com/judge-judy-meets-bitcoin-amid-payment-fraud-allegations/

She claims to have tried a case where a woman sent a picture of an iphone instead of an actual iphone "a decade ago".

Wouldn't that be industrial espionage, not fraud?

@LFC

Very few years



3295. Post 12983114 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 15, 2015, 09:55:37 PM
Quote
"Mr. Colon claims he's a victim, too. He says he was trying to deal in something called Bit-coin, which I don't understand..."





http://www.coindesk.com/judge-judy-meets-bitcoin-amid-payment-fraud-allegations/

She claims to have tried a case where a woman sent a picture of an iphone instead of an actual iphone "a decade ago".

Wouldn't that be industrial espionage, not fraud?

@LFC

Very few years

Ever consider that all the technical advances necessary for the APPL revolution were actually made possible on the public dime? Governments and universities innovate with our money, then corporate interests get to repackage the fruits and sell them back to us in shiny colors.

Have you ever tried getting your grandmother to use a version of UNIX that isn't Apple?

Packaging matters.



3296. Post 12983379 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: mrkavasaki on November 15, 2015, 10:35:11 PM
bottom? Tongue



3297. Post 12983486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



Can't you guyz and galz just launch this mofo to 10k so I can buy a boat?

Is that really too much to ask for?



3298. Post 12983505 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: abercrombie on November 15, 2015, 11:01:23 PM
China Huobi and OKCoin shaking off weakness on the Western markets Bitstamp and Bitfinex.

There you go!

Shake that weakness off and launch this fracker!!!



3299. Post 12983582 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: talks_cheep on November 15, 2015, 11:15:21 PM


Can't you guyz and galz just launch this mofo to 10k so I can buy a boat?

Is that really too much to ask for?

Here's a piece of paper. Go fold yourself a paper boat. That's as close as you will ever get to your own personal boat.

Hey now, talks cheep!



3300. Post 12985845 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: dragonseer on November 16, 2015, 04:17:25 AM


Can't you guyz and galz just launch this mofo to 10k so I can buy a boat?

Is that really too much to ask for?

I sold during the last pump and while I could buy back in for less right now, I'm staying out of it.

The CEO of Coinbase made comments this month about how they plan to 'upgrade' their system in the second week of December, as they undermine the core developers and go against community sentiment about what Bitcoin is.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

This is a corporate move to take Bitcoin over and turn it into something appropriate for bankers (the XT fork WILL NEED more updates, while its blacklists will be updated too), who can then use it to dump their fiat into while other systems collapse and hyperinflation starts.

For this to work, they are counting on people like you, to be so happy with your profits and new boat that you won't care that Bitcoin has lost its integrity along the way.

I'll get behind Bitcoin again if the community proves itself smarter than this however.

Are you this guy?

Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 16, 2015, 02:49:30 PM
I don't think you're being fair. Yes you are doing something by putting a little money into Bitcoin here and there. You are supporting Bitcoin because you want a better monetary system that isn't based on debt, and isn't confined by borders.  When times are lean then it makes sense to stash something valuable away, until it becomes worth more. When the value appreciates again, Bitcoin holders can use their increased purchasing power to support businesses that embrace crypto, rather than cash out. That's what 'many around here' are waiting to do I'm sure.

After seeing your contribution to the devianttwo-thread I am tempted to leave Bitcoin altogether.

Edit: I see it's removed. As I remember it was an unfortunate picture of a child and a poem about how adversity makes you stronger.

I can sort of see why you're a bit paranoid, although I think your concerns are exaggerated. But I guess you're right, Gavin and Hearn do seem to think there's a market outside of the "Bitcoin Elite" who's currently peddling your kind of crap.



3301. Post 12986231 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: inca on November 16, 2015, 09:20:29 AM


Can't you guyz and galz just launch this mofo to 10k so I can buy a boat?

Is that really too much to ask for?

I sold during the last pump and while I could buy back in for less right now, I'm staying out of it.

The CEO of Coinbase made comments this month about how they plan to 'upgrade' their system in the second week of December, as they undermine the core developers and go against community sentiment about what Bitcoin is.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-bip-is-the-best-proposal-we-ve-seen-so-far-1446584055

This is a corporate move to take Bitcoin over and turn it into something appropriate for bankers (the XT fork WILL NEED more updates, while its blacklists will be updated too), who can then use it to dump their fiat into while other systems collapse and hyperinflation starts.

For this to work, they are counting on people like you, to be so happy with your profits and new boat that you won't care that Bitcoin has lost its integrity along the way.

I'll get behind Bitcoin again if the community proves itself smarter than this however.

Are you this guy?

I don't think you're being fair. Yes you are doing something by putting a little money into Bitcoin here and there. You are supporting Bitcoin because you want a better monetary system that isn't based on debt, and isn't confined by borders.  When times are lean then it makes sense to stash something valuable away, until it becomes worth more. When the value appreciates again, Bitcoin holders can use their increased purchasing power to support businesses that embrace crypto, rather than cash out. That's what 'many around here' are waiting to do I'm sure.

After seeing your contribution to the devianttwo-thread I am tempted to leave Bitcoin altogether.

Edit: I see it's removed. As I remember it was an unfortunate picture of a child and a poem about how adversity makes you stronger.

I can sort of see why you're a bit paranoid, although I think your concerns are exaggerated. But I guess you're right, Gavin and Hearn do seem to think there's a market outside of the "Bitcoin Elite" who's currently peddling your kind of crap.

That was originally posted by nlc.

Under dragonseers account?

Edit: As I can see there's a one and a half month gap in his posting history from when I pointed this out the last time in this thread.



3302. Post 12987800 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: ghandi on November 16, 2015, 02:06:05 PM
Did the hashrate raise up because mining got profitable again at $300+ for some entity?

Not really, a new generation of more energy efficient machines are being released.



3303. Post 12988593 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 16, 2015, 03:34:00 PM
Did the hashrate raise up because mining got profitable again at $300+ for some entity?

Not really, a new generation of more energy efficient machines are being released.

more energy efficient === more profitable atm

so yes atm its quite profitable for new machine to mine at this diff and this price. but can it even reach ROI within.... say 6 month ?


I don't think that's a realistic goal anymore. Those days are gone. If you buy miners today you're looking at something between 1-2 years before roi for the whole operation. If you already have a mine with all the infrastructure and only need to replace the mining units, you're looking at closer to 6 months if you can get a decent price when you sell your old mining units.

The funny thing is: we've all been focusing on how the halving will affect the price. But what about the hashrate? If the BTC price is still scraping along the bottom, a whole bunch of mines are going to become unprofitable in an instant.



3304. Post 12990419 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



BAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!



We're ready for takeoff!!!



3305. Post 12991300 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):





3306. Post 12991332 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: macsga on November 16, 2015, 10:16:09 PM
-snip-

According to my sources, this is a critical point for uptrend (or downtrend) for that matter. I tend to believe it's the former, but I'm a permaholder as well... Cheesy


Sources?

Do you have monkeys in Greece too?



3307. Post 12991754 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 16, 2015, 11:28:49 PM
http://insidebitcoins.com/news/andreas-antonopoulos-trolls-are-disrupting-bitcoin-development/35829

Quote
According to Antonopoulos, the possible fracturing of the Bitcoin community as a whole could be partially due to paid trolls who work for various government agencies around the world.

Fucking lambie, the most disruptive technology ever!



3308. Post 12991900 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 16, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
http://insidebitcoins.com/news/andreas-antonopoulos-trolls-are-disrupting-bitcoin-development/35829

Quote
According to Antonopoulos, the possible fracturing of the Bitcoin community as a whole could be partially due to paid trolls who work for various government agencies around the world.

Fucking lambie, the most disruptive technology ever!

lmao!

So Gmaxwell blaims trolls for Core's inability to get their act together? How does that work? If their sensitive minds break down with 4-billion-usd-market-cap-trolling (...catching air, I need to lose weight), how will they hold up at 40b?

Disclaimer: I am not paid for this service. This is freebie trolling.



3309. Post 12991923 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 16, 2015, 11:51:01 PM
GhostSec, a hacktivist off-shoot of Anonymous, has claimed to have followed a chain of transactions and found a Bitcoin wallet containing $3 million which they say is linked to the self-proclaimed Islamic State terror group and Friday’s Paris attacks.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151116/1030223381/paris-attackers-alleged-bitcoin-wallet.html#ixzz3rhXvubak


Idiots! Why don't they use Monero? It's soooo much better for financing terrorism! And if it goes to h,  maybe reptilias castle will be raided.



3310. Post 12991932 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: brg444 on November 17, 2015, 12:04:57 AM
http://insidebitcoins.com/news/andreas-antonopoulos-trolls-are-disrupting-bitcoin-development/35829

Quote
According to Antonopoulos, the possible fracturing of the Bitcoin community as a whole could be partially due to paid trolls who work for various government agencies around the world.

Fucking lambie, the most disruptive technology ever!

lmao!

So Gmaxwell blaims trolls for Core's inability to get their act together? How does that work? If their sensitive minds break down with 4-billion-usd-market-cap-trolling (...catching air, I need to lose weight), how will they hold up at 40b?

Disclaimer: I am not paid for this service. This is freebie trolling.

Get their act together?

We just had a milestone development today https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3t0kff/core_switched_to_libsecp256k1_for_verification/

You have to end with a disclaimer. That's how it works now.



3311. Post 12997670 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



I don't think TA is that widespread an issue among monkeys. The only one I've heard of is aminorex's. Macsga might have one going, but I still haven't heard back from him about that.



3312. Post 12999189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: galdur on November 17, 2015, 07:33:47 PM
RE: Scarface.

Great story, which among other things reminds how Castro emptied prisons and asylums there in 1980 and sent the inmates on their way to Florida. Of course leaders in the Middle East and nearby donīt have the same obvious idea nowadays, nonono.

Sounds like they need help then.

Hopefully Europe will provide better opportunities for them than the Cubans got in the US.



3313. Post 12999259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: galdur on November 17, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
RE: Scarface.

Great story, which among other things reminds how Castro emptied prisons and asylums there in 1980 and sent the inmates on their way to Florida. Of course leaders in the Middle East and nearby donīt have the same obvious idea nowadays, nonono.

Sounds like they need help then.

Hopefully Europe will provide better opportunities for them than the Cubans got in the US.

Of course, but these things cost money. Tons of it. Europeīs welfare systems are stretched to the hilt as it is.

I heard a Russian idiom once which I sort of like: "Cheapskates pay twice".

We could have helped the Syrians when they asked for help with toppling Assad and getting the country on track, but it was too expensive back then.



3314. Post 12999278 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Turdarasorus on November 17, 2015, 08:08:35 PM
That hash rate!  Shocked

Apologies for my ignorance, but what does it mean when the hash rate increases and/or slows down?
-more and/or 'faster' gear came online
-next difficulty increase will be larger
-profitability of farms which didn't invest in more/newer gear goes down proportionately
-[insignificantly] higher BTC inflation rate.
TL;DR: nothing.

@galdur: Before US entered WW2, boatloads of Jews were denied entry. Because fuck them, with Jews, you lose.


Can you back off with the anti-semitism? Most here don't get the irony.



3315. Post 12999906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: MatTheCat on November 17, 2015, 09:08:32 PM
We could have helped the Syrians when they asked for help with toppling Assad and getting the country on track, but it was too expensive back then.

Yes, cos toppling Saddam and Ghaddafi really helped get Iraq and Libya back on track, didn't it u fkn donkey's arse.

You can't just set the whole region ablaze and bail when the heat hits you. As should be all too clear by now.



3316. Post 13000213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Andre# on November 17, 2015, 09:20:11 PM
RE: Scarface.

Great story, which among other things reminds how Castro emptied prisons and asylums there in 1980 and sent the inmates on their way to Florida. Of course leaders in the Middle East and nearby donīt have the same obvious idea nowadays, nonono.

Sounds like they need help then.

Hopefully Europe will provide better opportunities for them than the Cubans got in the US.

Of course, but these things cost money. Tons of it. Europeīs welfare systems are stretched to the hilt as it is.

I heard a Russian idiom once which I sort of like: "Cheapskates pay twice".

We could have helped the Syrians when they asked for help with toppling Assad and getting the country on track, but it was too expensive back then.

We could have helped the Syrians when they fled to Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey. But it was too expensive back then.

Not that you are wrong, but the refugees are the lucky ones. The rest lie buried in the rubble.



3317. Post 13000224 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: controltower on November 17, 2015, 09:35:36 PM
Why is it that so few people ask themselves why the Saudis are willing to build 200 mosques in Germany for these ŋpoor, desperate refugeesŋ, yet wonŋt take a single one in? It's because they are trying to import an army of is lam into Europe.

Poor Germans. First the Greeks stiff them, now the Saudis start importing (exporting?) their Jihad army Cry

The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, [but] by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

Maybe think next time before starting a world war, huh? Cheesy

@MatTheCat: First get good at trading, then start to work on becoming "a parasitic Zionist Neocon motherfucker."
One thing at a time Smiley

Jeebus, lambie! You're not doing these nutters justice.



3318. Post 13001290 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 18, 2015, 01:37:37 AM
ChartBuddy must be all like, wtf did I just read. Roll Eyes Cheesy

At least my last post ended back on topic.



3319. Post 13001356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on November 18, 2015, 02:01:17 AM
Coin



Explanation


That ain't a pretty picture.



3320. Post 13009540 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 19, 2015, 12:21:32 AM
As the father of 3 mixed children myself (wife is Asian and I am white) I have to call you out on this.

You misquoted me entirely.  I said both Caucasian and Asian genes are recessive compared to African genes.  You being white and marrying an Asian woman (wow, who would have guessed nerdy white guys obssesed with Asian women on a Bitcoin forum???) doesn't really have anything to do with what I typed...


Those that set up the caucasian distinction included Indians and Pakistanis although I believe there was no Pakistan at that time.  One billion dark skinned, black hair and brown eyed caucasians.

Wow this is fun.



Not really fun. I don't want to go to the moon with them here.




Don't worry, I have a plan.



3321. Post 13009652 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Voktar on November 19, 2015, 12:44:32 AM
Here is my professional TA free analysis, hope you appreciate my drawing skillz...



F11 or you'll be burned like a witch for using Windows.



3322. Post 13009754 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 19, 2015, 01:07:26 AM
NO! Gawd  Sad

If every race is identical, why do races outside of Africa have Neanderthal DNA?  Why do blacks have 20% higher blood testosterone level?  Why do Asians seem to test lowest for psychopathic character traits?  Even men and women from the same ethnic group aren't similar.  Claiming people from different groups are identical is just hilarious.

It's always the far leftists pulling this crap too.  A bias to support their ideology of collectivism.  Nevermind the fact that liberalism is inherently a mental disorder based on inferiority complex where you can only relate with groups deemed weak, inferior, or underdogs in general.  It's a shame the political and social narative of the modern world is shaped entirely by people with mental disorders.

So you you reject leftists and you reject liberalism, is there a third way?



3323. Post 13013149 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: ImI on November 19, 2015, 11:45:45 AM
I won't expect a mini rally for the rest of November but if we stay at 330-340$ I think that would be good enough.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-eu-clamps-down-on-bitcoin-anonymous-payments-to-curb-terrorism-funding-2015-11?IR=T

i think that could bring an end to hopes for a rally or whatvever

even 150$ and below


And it's begun.



3324. Post 13013554 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: ImI on November 19, 2015, 01:27:40 PM
I won't expect a mini rally for the rest of November but if we stay at 330-340$ I think that would be good enough.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-eu-clamps-down-on-bitcoin-anonymous-payments-to-curb-terrorism-funding-2015-11?IR=T

i think that could bring an end to hopes for a rally or whatvever

even 150$ and below

And it's begun.

That's pretty stupid I believe. They don't use Bitcoin as a major currency and it has nothing to do with the price. Some whales want to get pressure in down.

you see, it might not matter if ISIS uses bitcoin or not. if France starts panicking they could go berserk on bitcoin even without any proof.

Yup, terrorist attacks leads to finger pointing.



3325. Post 13013591 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: bzfawwituszfawwer on November 19, 2015, 01:51:00 PM
...
Yup, terrorist attacks leads to finger pointing.

Bitcoin. So much to answer for...

But we have the best trolls...



3326. Post 13013604 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: ImI on November 19, 2015, 01:54:29 PM
I won't expect a mini rally for the rest of November but if we stay at 330-340$ I think that would be good enough.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-eu-clamps-down-on-bitcoin-anonymous-payments-to-curb-terrorism-funding-2015-11?IR=T

i think that could bring an end to hopes for a rally or whatvever

even 150$ and below

And it's begun.

That's pretty stupid I believe. They don't use Bitcoin as a major currency and it has nothing to do with the price. Some whales want to get pressure in down.

you see, it might not matter if ISIS uses bitcoin or not. if France starts panicking they could go berserk on bitcoin even without any proof.

Yup, terrorist attacks leads to finger pointing.

you see the public doesn't like bitcoin very much, for them its just some criminal thing that made some nerds rich and they ask for action, especially in france. so it could become ugly but not necessarily so.

I don't think regulated exchanges have much to worry about. I would probably get out of BTC-E though.



3327. Post 13014332 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Elwar on November 19, 2015, 02:52:51 PM
I won't expect a mini rally for the rest of November but if we stay at 330-340$ I think that would be good enough.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-eu-clamps-down-on-bitcoin-anonymous-payments-to-curb-terrorism-funding-2015-11?IR=T

i think that could bring an end to hopes for a rally or whatvever

even 150$ and below

And it's begun.

That's pretty stupid I believe. They don't use Bitcoin as a major currency and it has nothing to do with the price. Some whales want to get pressure in down.

you see, it might not matter if ISIS uses bitcoin or not. if France starts panicking they could go berserk on bitcoin even without any proof.

Yup, terrorist attacks leads to finger pointing.

you see the public doesn't like bitcoin very much, for them its just some criminal thing that made some nerds rich and they ask for action, especially in france. so it could become ugly but not necessarily so.

I don't think regulated exchanges have much to worry about. I would probably get out of BTC-E though.

I get my euros by selling bitcoins via localbitcoins. I can see them cracking down on people like me trying to lump us in with terrorists.

It's such a better way to get euros than going through banks. I might have to get my landlord to finally take bitcoins for rent instead of counting on localbitcoin sales.

I'm guessing they're looking for specific patterns, then they'll know what coins to look for. SR wasn't too hard to figure out once they found a couple of loose threads.

For the EU to spend more resources on monitoring the BTC blockchain would make sense too.



3328. Post 13014681 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 19, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
looks like today in bitcoin the french are gimping out and instead of allowing the people to defend themselves decided to attack and blame bitcoin..  the terror attacks in france is more proof that gun control simply does not work.. stop brushing your teeth with fluoride and you will be amazed at the clarity.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Fort_Hood_shooting

The military has lots of guns doesn't it?



3329. Post 13016393 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 19, 2015, 06:04:31 PM
Surprising amount of newbie accounts posting statist bullshit and terror fear mongering lately.

[anti-semitic crap]

[anti-semitic pic]

Fuck off!



3330. Post 13016911 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 19, 2015, 08:22:40 PM
Fuck off!
[more nazi crap]

Fuck off!



3331. Post 13017985 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: The Doxing on November 19, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
There is nothing respectable about what Izabella Kaminska aka "lambie" has done. That is why I did what I did after careful consideration. Had she been a regular person I likely would not have revealed her but she is a fairly well known "journalist" who writes hit pieces about bitcoin while by her own admission on this forum profits from shorting it, so she deserves to be outed.

Why are you telling us this lambie? If this isn't you then you might make this woman a target for the rampant nutters who frequent this forum.



3332. Post 13018064 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: makeacake on November 19, 2015, 11:13:27 PM
So. You gentlemen have this woman's phone #, but you'd rather scheme, rage, argue, guess, dick around for hours... anything but actually pick up the phone & talk to a human grill.
Impotent, frightened manchildren, totally irrelevant to the world outside Cheesy


TL;DR:
1. Your d0xx4r friend is a retard. He has trouble going potty unassisted, forget doxx0ring.
2. Even if he was right, you'd never call the number he gave you, because bawwwk bawwk bawwkkk!!!!

Prove me wrong Smiley

Tweet something about the meeting tomorrow where they're going to clamp down on digital currencies.




3333. Post 13018129 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: makeacake on November 19, 2015, 11:23:58 PM
So. You gentlemen have this woman's phone #, but you'd rather scheme, rage, argue, guess, dick around for hours... anything but actually pick up the phone & talk to a human grill.
Impotent, frightened manchildren, totally irrelevant to the world outside Cheesy


TL;DR:
1. Your d0xx4r friend is a retard. He has trouble going potty unassisted, forget doxx0ring.
2. Even if he was right, you'd never call the number he gave you, because bawwwk bawwk bawwkkk!!!!

Prove me wrong Smiley

Tweet something about the meeting tomorrow where they're going to clamp down on digital currencies.

^That woman is not me.
Your doxxering friend is just a butthurt child, and you're an idiot for taking him seriously.
Do you understand now?

Darn



3334. Post 13020364 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



Ugh.. this thread.

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3335. Post 13020430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 20, 2015, 02:20:11 AM
The last name appears to be Polish in origin, and there are many Jews who also have that last name, so it's just your typical, Jewish, pro-central banking, anti-all alternatives shills.

I've uncovered that her associate spammers that are creating hundreds of anti-bitcoin spam accounts per day are also Jewish in origin.  What a hilariously predictable outcome.  Lambchop is also likely a lesbian from her aggressive anti-male attitude, which is another reason she hates Bitcoin, because Bitcoin is entirely male.



Because when even your cat is probably a nazi Embarrassed

Fucking Godwin. WW3 will be on his conscience.



3336. Post 13020536 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/chamber-digital-commerce-urges-g7-not-overreact-paris-attacks-stifling-bitcoin/



3337. Post 13020587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: arandy on November 20, 2015, 08:14:14 AM

The problem is they probably won't hear it because the actual reason to limit bitcoin usage has nothing to do with IS or terrorists.

...?

You're new here. What brand of conspiracy theorist are you?



3338. Post 13021031 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: arandy on November 20, 2015, 09:28:07 AM

The problem is they probably won't hear it because the actual reason to limit bitcoin usage has nothing to do with IS or terrorists.

...?

You're new here. What brand of conspiracy theorist are you?

No conspiracy theorist just being realistic.

But if i where one i would tell you Europe has already been sold of to IS in some way. Everything is going to shit here and fast. Islamic fractions will find their way into our governments soon as they get elected by the vast majority of the Muslims that are present in all the countries in the EU. Already everything is working backwards in the Netherlands. We are not allowed to protest, the borders will be kept open, asylum seekers will get max protection and can do as they like. Hell they can even marry 9 year old children here because they are Muslim.
The EU gave Turkey a vast amount of money to keep more asylum seekers there. Their leader Erdogan buys his oil daily and directly with the IS.
But then again that shit has nothing to do with bitcoin so in here it's irrelevant  Roll Eyes

Ugh... That brand.



3339. Post 13022814 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Feri22 on November 20, 2015, 12:49:17 PM
Pump it up a notch

agreed

$740 should do

Edit: for today



3340. Post 13022857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Torque on November 20, 2015, 02:54:25 AM
Gee, what a fucking shock.  But as I predicted.

I love the experience that comes with learning this silly market.  And at the price I sold, with each $10/btc drop I gain $3000 in my stash.

Still winning Adam.

Btw: this is all foreplay leading up to the 3d cross to the downside. 😉

Code:
Fallen Prophets:

tarmi

hdbuck

BillyJoeAllen

Aztecminer

Looks like we'll have to add Torque.



3341. Post 13022894 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 20, 2015, 01:37:19 PM
last time i read this forum i think that we are done... MMM, ISIS... no way btc can survive, but how come we are still above 300 ?  Huh

I haven't seen any news yet, but I'm guessing this is how the meeting goes:

Meeting Leader: Bitcoin?

Attendant No.1: It looks like all the major exchanges are regulated and have implemented KYC.

ML: Ok, then. Stolen Relics?



3342. Post 13023227 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: aztecminer on November 20, 2015, 02:36:45 PM
Gee, what a fucking shock.  But as I predicted.

I love the experience that comes with learning this silly market.  And at the price I sold, with each $10/btc drop I gain $3000 in my stash.

Still winning Adam.

Btw: this is all foreplay leading up to the 3d cross to the downside. 😉

Code:
Fallen Prophets:

tarmi

hdbuck

BillyJoeAllen

Aztecminer

Looks like we'll have to add Torque.


i forgot to liquidate my cold storage coins! that means i was unable to be felled by the Four Punch Raiders or the Bear Whale..... not even the chinese miners was able to fell me.

You haven't sounded very upbeat lately. There are nearly no Perma-bulls or Bulltards left. Adam puts on a good show now and then, but his spirit isn't really in it.



3343. Post 13023251 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: aztecminer on November 20, 2015, 02:44:41 PM
Gee, what a fucking shock.  But as I predicted.

I love the experience that comes with learning this silly market.  And at the price I sold, with each $10/btc drop I gain $3000 in my stash.

Still winning Adam.

Btw: this is all foreplay leading up to the 3d cross to the downside. 😉

Code:
Fallen Prophets:

tarmi

hdbuck

BillyJoeAllen

Aztecminer

Looks like we'll have to add Torque.


i forgot to liquidate my cold storage coins! that means i was unable to be felled by the Four Punch Raiders or the Bear Whale..... not even the chinese miners was able to fell me.

You haven't sounded very upbeat lately. There are nearly no Perma-bulls or Bulltards left. Adam puts on a good show now and then, but his spirit isn't really in it.


if u want me to have your cheap coins then i am all cash on the exchange. which way you guys wanna go with this ?? either way i already defeated the bear whales and the Four Punch Raiders. if u try real hard and practice everyday u will be as awesome as me.

Nobody will ever be as awesome as you. You wrote a book with penguins in it.



3344. Post 13023542 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-20/bitcoin-is-better-than-cash-for-keeping-track-of-terrorists




3345. Post 13023626 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: DaRude on November 20, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
how is the big EU 'lets pretend we are against bitcoin' meeting going ?? i think that exchange that is not allowing withdrawals might be about to collapse .. if it collapses then there may be potential the collapse could trigger other weak exchanges to collapse in the dominoes of 'too big too fail' bitcoin exchanges implosions .. this could cause the chinese to panic and Huobi to shut down so it can drop its bags. the next 24 hours is critical! BTC


Are you saying that bitcoin might die Shocked ... again?



3346. Post 13023673 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 20, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
back over 320 before bed, 333 tomorrow morning, 400 by Monday, new all time recent high before the month is out.

good morning bitcoin, i see we are behind schedule... has the meeting about using bitcoin to track terrorists financing not finished yet?  

http://www.trust.org/item/20151120152558-mdmbw

Edit: Went from "clamp down" to "step up".



3347. Post 13023905 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 20, 2015, 04:00:11 PM
if we were to go below 300 we would of done so already, come on we had makeacake type fud on mainstream news and we hit 310...

at the first sign of a stable 320 we move up.

Agreed!

I might even get my BAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! back!



3348. Post 13025847 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):



Bitcoin XT is officially ded...

http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2015/11/20/bitcoin-core-developer-joins-blockchain-consortium.html



3349. Post 13026051 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):


Mike's final "Fuck You!!!" to Bitcoin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3tftas/mike_hearn_now_working_for_r3cv_blockchain/cx5wwwu

"The current Bitcoin system, I mean the system we actually use today with the block chain, isn't going to change the world at all due to the 1mb limit.
Unless the community changes direction very clearly (which in practice will require getting rid of Bitcoin Core completely), then "the system" will simply wither on the vine whilst the community waits for Lightning, or whatever solution they're being sold. But Lightning bears no resemblance to the Bitcoin I signed up to work on 5 years ago. It's an entirely different design which looks very much like the existing model of banking - nodes that hold people's money (i.e. may end up regulated), route it between them, no support for smart contracts, byzantine complexity due to being built on a 'legacy' layer that wasn't designed for it, occasional settlement between parties etc. Assuming it even works at all.
So if I have a choice between helping the existing financial system build something better than what they have today that resembles Bitcoin, or helping the Bitcoin community build something worse than what they have today that resembles banking, then I may as well go where the users are and work with the banks."



3350. Post 13026121 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on November 20, 2015, 09:04:56 PM
I don't completely agree with the tactical decisions Hearn made over the last year, and I'd be fine with slower increases than BIP101, but I'm 100% certain he did more for Bitcoin on his worst day than Nov 2013 hdbuck ever will.

If we're still (inexplicably?) stuck at 1MB popescu pogs through the majority of 2016, I'll be lacing up my shoes too.

Hear, hear!



3351. Post 13026250 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on November 20, 2015, 09:23:16 PM

Mike's final "Fuck You!!!" to Bitcoin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3tftas/mike_hearn_now_working_for_r3cv_blockchain/cx5wwwu

"The current Bitcoin system, I mean the system we actually use today with the block chain, isn't going to change the world at all due to the 1mb limit.
Unless the community changes direction very clearly (which in practice will require getting rid of Bitcoin Core completely), then "the system" will simply wither on the vine whilst the community waits for Lightning, or whatever solution they're being sold. But Lightning bears no resemblance to the Bitcoin I signed up to work on 5 years ago. It's an entirely different design which looks very much like the existing model of banking - nodes that hold people's money (i.e. may end up regulated), route it between them, no support for smart contracts, byzantine complexity due to being built on a 'legacy' layer that wasn't designed for it, occasional settlement between parties etc. Assuming it even works at all.
So if I have a choice between helping the existing financial system build something better than what they have today that resembles Bitcoin, or helping the Bitcoin community build something worse than what they have today that resembles banking, then I may as well go where the users are and work with the banks."



I believe that he misspoke>>>>>>>   ........"then I may as well go where the users are money is  and work with the banks."


Out of courtesy, I fixed it for him to say what he really meant to say.... which his choice may not be a bad thing for him on a personal financial level, and he may also possibly gain some interesting and useful experiences through his future endeavors.





Burn?

Quote from: xyzzy099 on November 20, 2015, 09:12:44 PM
I don't completely agree with the tactical decisions Hearn made over the last year, and I'd be fine with slower increases than BIP101, but I'm 100% certain he did more for Bitcoin on his worst day than Nov 2013 hdbuck ever will.

If we're still (inexplicably?) stuck at 1MB popescu pogs through the majority of 2016, I'll be lacing up my shoes too.

Hear, hear!

Could someone point out a few of Mr. Hearn's more notable contributions to Bitcoin?  I am having trouble finding them. (serious question)




https://github.com/mikehearn



3352. Post 13026484 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: gentlemand on November 20, 2015, 09:56:33 PM

The article bangs on about it breeding Bitcoin acceptance. I think I must've missed why. You still have to buy it to spend it. Why not, er, cut out Coinbase and just spend your dollars?

Both ANX and Bitstamp offers debit cards. All it's done is piss off regulators.



3353. Post 13027322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):


LOL!!

That Kaminska lady is better than lambie!



3354. Post 13027408 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 21, 2015, 12:16:10 AM

LOL!!

That Kaminska lady is better than lambie!

 Huh

sry, unrelated

https://twitter.com/izakaminska/status/667771295296188417



3355. Post 13035118 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Turdarasorus on November 21, 2015, 09:49:07 PM

This type of quiz is used by ignorant dumbasses to demonstrate to other ignorant dumbasses that degenerate art is shit, and 'a fucking chimp can do it.'


Fuck you lambie!!! Stop talking sense!!!

I don't know what world I'm living in anymore!!!



3356. Post 13035134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 21, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
The last name appears to be Polish in origin, and there are many Jews who also have that last name, so it's just your typical, Jewish, pro-central banking, anti-all alternatives shills.

I've uncovered that her associate spammers that are creating hundreds of anti-bitcoin spam accounts per day are also Jewish in origin.  What a hilariously predictable outcome.  Lambchop is also likely a lesbian from her aggressive anti-male attitude, which is another reason she hates Bitcoin, because Bitcoin is entirely male.



Because when even your cat is probably a nazi Embarrassed

The law has been repealed. We're free!!

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/donald-trump-nazi/



3357. Post 13038775 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Coin



Explanation  AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Vey noice!!!!



3358. Post 13039792 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):


 We're moving down at an alarming rate on these dumps.



3359. Post 13043240 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 22, 2015, 09:44:31 PM
I see Stolfi, the fiat jihadist, is still upset the price of Bitcoin is too high for his liking.  Don't worry, Stolfi, I'm sure the government will find something to blow up to blame on Bitcoin.



Go play in traffic



3360. Post 13048414 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 23, 2015, 02:10:16 PM
for days now i come to look at the chart and its as if the chart never changes always looks the exact same



It's extremely flat. It's really weird.



3361. Post 13048818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Torque on November 23, 2015, 03:05:21 PM
for days now i come to look at the chart and its as if the chart never changes always looks the exact same



It's extremely flat. It's really weird.

And buying pressure/volume has completely fallen off the map.

Weird for a supposed bull market where the Average Joes are just going crazy buying left and right, because supposed bull market.  Amiiiright??  You guyz promised $32K by next year?

Guyz???

(It couldn't possibly be just a lone whale fucking around in this completely dead market, or could it?  Guyz???)

Mistakes were made. It was a failure of imagination.



3362. Post 13051044 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 23, 2015, 07:40:58 PM
this is bullish

Agreed.

What exactly?



3363. Post 13051758 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 23, 2015, 08:59:38 PM

Grin

Fatman you make me laugh dude Cheesy


JK. Everything is bullish!!!




3364. Post 13052526 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: oldm8 on November 23, 2015, 10:41:01 PM

The Germans are quite the opposite now, left wing liberals (not libertarian) heads in the sand, the only remaining wartime trait is in believing anything their manipulative newspapers and polititians say. Check out the article at Kop Online it is a laugh (what utter bullshit) ISIS use Euros donated by German Muslims and Saudi to buy their new Toyotas and arms. Untraceable easily transported through Europe's open borders a 6 inch stack of €500s notes is $1 million. BTW which is your main troll account here?

Yeah, I hear they're so brainwashed by the mainstream media can't even tell a true race warrior from the untermensch anymore. This is exactly how Hitler and David Icky foretold it would be. Thousand-Year Reich my ass, too zombified by left-wing propaganda to even turn on the frickin' gas & solve the mud people problem once and for all Angry

They are currently being invaded by a million muslims who wish to take over Germany and they are completely unaware of it. Young blue eyed blonde girls wave flags welcoming the invaders. Any dissent is branded racism, meanwhile the once proud nation so hates itself it wishes to replace German traditions with wonderful multicultural ones like raping young non-muslim girls, Beheading of Christians, stoning to death of adulterers, gays, etc,  non Muslims paying the jizya tax, 100 lashes for drinking a beer. How far has Germany fallen and it is being paid for in untraceable Euros not traceable Bitcoin

I found it strange that we didn't wipe Germany off the map 70 years ago. Better late than never I guess. Imagine driving from France to The Czech Republic and picking up a killer kebab on the way, instead of that flippin sausage fest. Not to mention seeing people actually smile at you without that patronising German grin. And according to the media these people will use Bitcoin! I am positive about the future.



3365. Post 13052646 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: ElTardino on November 23, 2015, 11:13:06 PM
... replace German traditions ...

What traditions are we talking about here, specifically? Like grown men wearing those little boy pants, or starting World Wars ...and loosing them?


C'mon. World Wars are really hard. You'll have to be Russian or something to win one of those.



3366. Post 13052716 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: oldm8 on November 23, 2015, 11:20:20 PM
... replace German traditions ...

What traditions are we talking about here, specifically? Like grown men wearing those little boy pants, or starting World Wars ...and loosing them?

We've been here before, lots of new accounts springing up, lots of off topic crap, going sideways for too long, can only mean one thing. Price is going down.

 I suggest you go all in full leverage on a short then. A sure thing.



3367. Post 13052757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: Wary on November 23, 2015, 11:25:50 PM
... replace German traditions ...

What traditions are we talking about here, specifically? Like grown men wearing those little boy pants, or starting World Wars ...and loosing them?


C'mon. World Wars are really hard. You'll have to be Russian or something to win one of those.
Even Russia have lost one of those (WWI) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk

IDK. I seem to remember Germany lost that one too. Russia was just too busy beating itself up to bother with the krauts.



3368. Post 13057274 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: bafvn on November 24, 2015, 02:12:17 PM
Ballooning difficulty

Nov 24 2015, 72,722,780,643  +10.44%

Estimated Next Difficulty:   80,247,935,027 +10.35%

Adjust time:   After 1945 Blocks, About 13.1 days

Translation for non-miners: Mining profitability fell by 10.35%. Due for another fall in 13.1 days Cry

Wrong. Try again.



3369. Post 13057570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: JungleBoy457 on November 24, 2015, 02:18:51 PM
Ballooning difficulty

Nov 24 2015, 72,722,780,643  +10.44%

Estimated Next Difficulty:   80,247,935,027 +10.35%

Adjust time:   After 1945 Blocks, About 13.1 days

Translation for non-miners: Mining profitability fell by 10.35%. Due for another fall in 13.1 days Cry

Wrong, try again.

100% right. Feel free to point out my errors. Show your work.
*Actually, 10.35% is the drop is in gross revenue (coins mined). Drop in profit (or increase in loss) is far more substantial.

The price of BTC went up from $235 to $325 and all the new miners are far more power efficient. You could argue that there was a loss in profitability for the network in that particular round of 2016 Blocks, but the previous rounds saw massive increases in profitability. And the loss would not be by 10.35%, because the network is also more power efficient now. If you meant from one day to another then, sure. But then it's worth mentioning that any increase in efficiency and BTC price between now and the next difficulty adjustment will lead to increased profitability which the difficulty adjustment will have to detract from before overall profitability goes down that round.

What will be interesting to see is if the mining industry can build up a wider margin of profitability before the halving, or if it will keep pushing the limits until a large portion is instantly unprofitable. I fear a lot of them is hoping the BTC price is magically going to do it for them and they might get smacked in the face.

Anyhew, didn't mean to get in the way of your trolling.

Carry on.

PS: If you really want to stir up some FUD you can look at how the large majority of mining power is controlled in China. That means that if the Chinese government sat down and made some phone calls, like they did with exchanges in 2013, they can compromise the integrity of the entire Blockchain. Trustless what, what?

Edit: https://blockchain.info/pools
Antpool, F2Pool, BTCC pool and BW are chinese.



3370. Post 13057679 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 24, 2015, 03:02:15 PM

lets check my latest price/mining cost perspective @ 62,253,982,450    difficulty


price of btc per mining cost perspective (eletricity price @ 12 cent)....

@ old miner 1T/1000 watt  miner ,  cost of 1 BTC is now 350

@ new miner which 2T/1000watt miner,  cost of 1 BTC is around 175

@ newest miner which 4T/1000watt miner, cost of 1BTC 86 Huh (if this really exist)


- this is just electricity cost.
- new miner need to ROI



https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201511170341298180m44675v0613



3371. Post 13057913 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.34h):

Quote from: noobtrader on November 24, 2015, 03:27:26 PM

lets check my latest price/mining cost perspective @ 62,253,982,450    difficulty


price of btc per mining cost perspective (eletricity price @ 12 cent)....

@ old miner 1T/1000 watt  miner ,  cost of 1 BTC is now 350

@ new miner which 2T/1000watt miner,  cost of 1 BTC is around 175

@ newest miner which 4T/1000watt miner, cost of 1BTC 86 Huh (if this really exist)


- this is just electricity cost.
- new miner need to ROI



https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201511170341298180m44675v0613


yes but it was in early november, difficulty has rises like 20% since then.
so if we apply this 86 should now 103, yes it was 200+ profit, but new miner need to ROI within certain amount of time.
even if you buy with btc which from your link stated around 6 btc there should aim for ROI within 6 month...

but how high the difficulty after 6 month ?

You'll probably see difficulty tail off around Dec/Jan. Unless BTC price shoots up.



3372. Post 13060256 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: InvestorPerson on November 24, 2015, 08:28:29 PM
mmh that sense of impending doom  Grin

Kinda like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW5ELKTivbE



3373. Post 13064050 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):


I dreamt that I checked the price and it was down to $313. I missed by 3$.

This place isn't good for me.



3374. Post 13064236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Dotto on November 25, 2015, 08:54:06 AM
Fuck it, post some trains, choo choo mofos

CCMF!!!






3375. Post 13064969 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: ghandi on November 25, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
After showing funny patterns on BTC/XRP cryptsy is now down completely Grin


Where do people trade shitcoins then?



3376. Post 13065353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):


Bitcoin is still cheap as chips.

If this severely under priced mess continues I might actually have to buy some soon, not just HODL homebrew.



3377. Post 13066243 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Torque on November 25, 2015, 01:55:37 PM

Bitcoin is still cheap as chips.

If this severely under priced mess continues I might actually have to buy some soon, not just HODL homebrew.

Yeah OK. This is the same crap everyone was saying when the price was ~$230.  And guess what, no one was buying then, even the people saying it.

And we're at $325 now.



3378. Post 13066431 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Torque on November 25, 2015, 02:14:43 PM

Bitcoin is still cheap as chips.

If this severely under priced mess continues I might actually have to buy some soon, not just HODL homebrew.

Yeah OK. This is the same crap everyone was saying when the price was ~$230.  And guess what, no one was buying then, even the people saying it.

And we're at $325 now.

And your point is?  We were also at $600, $700, $800, and $1100.  Wake me up when we even get back to $600, that would be a start.  

But I guess that would be a bad thing as then bitcoin still wouldn't be "cheap as chips" as you say, so no one will be buying then.  Amiiright?

That's your logic, not mine.

It's cheap as chips because there's a lot of fear and uncertainty in the market. If Bitcoin gets to the level you're asking for I think that would signal to the market that Bitcoin is here to stay.

Those of us who already knows1 Bitcoin is here to stay can buy them at a discount now. And at $600 for that matter.

Let us know when you're on the choo choo!

1) To avoid any discussion on the advances since before the cartesian revolustion: knows = strong belief.




3379. Post 13066537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Torque on November 25, 2015, 02:38:25 PM

Bitcoin is still cheap as chips.

If this severely under priced mess continues I might actually have to buy some soon, not just HODL homebrew.

Yeah OK. This is the same crap everyone was saying when the price was ~$230.  And guess what, no one was buying then, even the people saying it.

And we're at $325 now.

And your point is?  We were also at $600, $700, $800, and $1100.  Wake me up when we even get back to $600, that would be a start.  

But I guess that would be a bad thing as then bitcoin still wouldn't be "cheap as chips" as you say, so no one will be buying then.  Amiiright?

That's your logic, not mine.

It's cheap as chips because there's a lot of fear and uncertainty in the market. If Bitcoin gets to the level you're asking for I think that would signal to the market that Bitcoin is here to stay.

Those of us who already knows1 Bitcoin is here to stay can buy them at a discount now. And at $600 for that matter.

Let us know when you're on the choo choo!

1) To avoid any discussion on the advances since before the cartesian revolustion: knows = strong belief.



Everyone knows Bitcoin is here to stay, and yes I have been majorly on the train since early 2013.  Still a long term bull.  But the absolute bullshit in the short term continues to be mind-blowing to me.

It's pretty clear now to everyone that the price is not decided, nor even moved, by Average Joe buyers/sellers.  It's decided by collusion between miners and whale traders.  That's it.  Bitcoin's future fate is completely in their hands.  And that's scary as fuck.

That makes sense. But I think you overestimate the insights of even highly skilled professionals in both IT and finance. You see something they don't see. Yet.

Quote
Still a long term bull.  But the absolute bullshit in the short term continues to be mind-blowing to me.

I found a gif, and I'm darned if I'm not going to use it.




3380. Post 13069242 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on November 25, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
Moon and trains pics plz



3381. Post 13069317 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on November 25, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
Moon and trains pics plz




3382. Post 13069353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: coinpr0n on November 25, 2015, 08:33:09 PM
Bitfinex saw Bearstamp get on top and got jealous. Meanwhile Chinese exchanges are ... dead?

They should wake up in a few hours. Might be interesting.



3383. Post 13072035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: jt byte on November 26, 2015, 04:17:43 AM
^ ^ ^
Too soon for the boom  Roll Eyes



3384. Post 13073496 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on November 26, 2015, 09:24:51 AM
Grin

just luv how butthurt the johnny-come-lately self-described pro-traders are towards early adopters.

super-duper experts and they missed out on the biggest trade in 3 centuries ... read em and weep guys 10,000x + bagger Wink, go invent yourself a new monetary system from scratch or stfu, thnx.

Read your own post and then read mine. And then in a neutral perspective try to judge which one sounds more butthurt :|

BUUUUU!!!! HUUUUU!!!! HUUUUU!!!

Don't you have some shitcoins to attend to?

Quote from: Wexlike on November 26, 2015, 10:13:51 AM
And I'm out. Let's see how this falls and then decide when/if to catch it.

Ouch!

Epic Fail




3385. Post 13073664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on November 26, 2015, 10:25:37 AM
And I'm out. Let's see how this falls and then decide when/if to catch it.

..no worries, just wait few days and you will buy back at 320:)

It's quite possible that I'll buy back in couple of hours. Before I do, I want to see how this beast bleeds.
Never trust a pump before you can see what happens when it stops.

At $370? Bullish!



3386. Post 13073684 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: gotmilk_ on November 26, 2015, 10:47:20 AM
Bears?  Grin
I think we could see a correction down to 335$ here. Just to recharged... Order books are thin.

Ugh!!

Whyyy?

But we were having so much fun!



3387. Post 13074080 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: dloghwak on November 26, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
Chinese willy turned back on?  Grin


"Beware when giving a Chinese a willy." - Ancient Chinese Proverb



3388. Post 13074451 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: koryu on November 26, 2015, 12:27:15 PM
new 4 hour candle is in not sustainable territory. manipulator wants ppl to open shorts here? or no manipulation and people just go retard?




Tomorrow is Black Friday. Sounds like a good excuse to paint some tape and create some FOMO.



3389. Post 13074565 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):




3390. Post 13074653 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):


Could decentralized smart contracts potentially be used to hire hitmen?



3391. Post 13074729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: sloppyjill on November 26, 2015, 01:03:29 PM

Could decentralized smart contracts potentially be used to hire hitmen?

Absolutely. DPR hired himself an excellent one Smiley

I meant, like... if some people on a forum wanted to get rid of a vermin, maybe they could send BTC to an address connected to a smart contract which would be activated once the agreed upon sum was reached?

I could see a potential use for something like that.



3392. Post 13074804 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: sloppyjill on November 26, 2015, 01:19:44 PM

Could decentralized smart contracts potentially be used to hire hitmen?

Absolutely. DPR hired himself an excellent one Smiley

I meant, like... if some people on a forum wanted to get rid of a vermin, maybe they could send BTC to an address connected to a smart contract which would be activated once the agreed upon sum was reached?

I could see a potential use for something like that.

Excellent idea! I feel ideally qualified to spearhead the project. How much are you willing to contribute?
(Hope you're not one of those freeloaders expecting others to do it Angry)



3393. Post 13074843 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: xcdrx on November 26, 2015, 01:24:15 PM

Could decentralized smart contracts potentially be used to hire hitmen?

Absolutely. DPR hired himself an excellent one Smiley

I meant, like... if some people on a forum wanted to get rid of a vermin, maybe they could send BTC to an address connected to a smart contract which would be activated once the agreed upon sum was reached?

I could see a potential use for something like that.

Excellent idea! I feel ideally qualified to spearhead the project. How much are you willing to contribute?
(Hope you're not one of those freeloaders expecting others to do it Angry)
https://media.giphy.com/media/sEULHciNa7tUQ/giphy.gif

http://s11.postimg.org/m2uk6muzn/ross1.jpg
Smiley

Too bad you lost your img posting privileges. Must suck.



3394. Post 13076021 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 26, 2015, 03:38:17 PM
Much volatile Grin

Bitcoin giveth and Bitcoin taketh away



3395. Post 13084090 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Meuh6879 on November 27, 2015, 01:16:30 PM
pool explosed.

If I knew what it meant I would suggest this as a new bitcoin term.



3396. Post 13096769 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: peonminer on November 28, 2015, 11:02:58 PM
Correction to $337.92 in bound.


Poo poo head!



3397. Post 13106247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: mixan on November 29, 2015, 10:50:41 PM
Looks like whale-wars at the moment.
Sounds like a series on the Discovery channel.  Grin Is it on tonight?  Tongue

Could be.



They sort of look like Bitcoiners.



3398. Post 13106363 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on November 30, 2015, 12:14:44 AM
Looks like whale-wars at the moment.
Sounds like a series on the Discovery channel.  Grin Is it on tonight?  Tongue

Could be.



They sort of look like Bitcoiners.

naaah, they look like broke leftist enviro-warriors. We could changetip them a shark fin or two.

Sorry dude, they're anarchists. They're your lot.



3399. Post 13106472 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: r0ach on November 30, 2015, 12:32:42 AM




Those are not even close to anarchists.  Those are identical to the collectivist leftists posting in this thread.  Leftism is a mental disorder based on inferiority complex where you can only relate to groups deemed weak, discriminated against, wronged, inferior, etc.  Those people latch onto the whales because they see them as having been wronged.  It's a clear case of textbook collectivist leftism.  Their mental disorder is often mistaken for just common empathy, but that's not how it works.  Anything seen as strong or seemingly normal they have contempt for, so it's not empathy, but an actual behavior pattern/defect.

They were all dumped into the trash can when they were younger and now show contempt for anything in their mind that they see stronger than themselves (which is everything).

... anarchists are collectivist loons. The only thing sadder than the leftist type is the anarcap type who don't realize they're collectivist loons.



3400. Post 13106527 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: mb300sd on November 30, 2015, 12:58:02 AM
Spent the entire weekend getting drunk and watching football... what happened?

We need you to drink some more. It seems to be working.



3401. Post 13111201 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):



"How low can you go, how low can you go, how low can you go..."



3402. Post 13111291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Rev.Moon on November 30, 2015, 02:40:31 PM
You long lambie?
Stealthily accumulating BTC OTC, while disseminating diabolically clever disinformation amongst the sheeple of bitcointalk (who suspect nothing, I've finally won their trust Smiley )



3403. Post 13111868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: greed2.0 on November 30, 2015, 03:29:32 PM
You long lambie?
Stealthily accumulating BTC OTC, while disseminating diabolically clever disinformation amongst the sheeple of bitcointalk (who suspect nothing, I've finally won their trust Smiley )
https://media.giphy.com/media/ED9Q2SCsowywU/giphy.gif

Well fuck me, my fiendish plan has been foiled! Wily bitcoin enthusiasts finally murdered Rev.Moon Sad
I'm melting!
               Melting!
                           Oh, what a world...



3404. Post 13112324 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: aminorex on November 30, 2015, 03:47:20 PM
Monkey likes BTC for the next 5 days at least.

This normally means down...

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 30, 2015, 03:59:35 PM
so i'll get to cover then? good i'll double down now

... but this normally means up.

I'm confused.



3405. Post 13112465 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: simmo77 on November 30, 2015, 04:52:56 PM
Monkey likes BTC for the next 5 days at least.



Monkey also liked XMR and now has a bad back from carrying around bags and bags of that shite...

I'm starting to think Aminorex is messing with our minds.

I think he's got an actual monkey, pointing aimlessly at the screen while Aminorex is writing down whatever it's pointing at.



3406. Post 13114717 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: ErisDiscordia on November 30, 2015, 09:50:59 PM
I have a bad feeling...actually I don't. Everything is fine.

Agreed.



3407. Post 13114940 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on November 30, 2015, 08:23:16 PM

He really does think that he, personally, is the one man standing between Bitcoin and utter chaos and destruction. It would be kinda cute if it wasn't so damned destructive.


Yup, he's a proper nutter.




Eventually, he will make himself irrelevant with this sort of crap.

Can't wait.



3408. Post 13118071 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

WOW!



3409. Post 13118136 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

There's pretty good volume on this dump.

There is a lot of trading at 362. Will be interesting to see if we slide up when the panic selling settles.

Edit: How many of those who sold post dumpage did so because they thought the price will fall further and how many because they thought: "JEEEEEEEBUS, GTFO ASAP!!!!"?



3410. Post 13118294 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Rallye on December 01, 2015, 08:56:34 AM
There's pretty good volume on this dump.

There is a lot of trading at 362. Will be interesting to see if we slide up when the panic selling settles.

Edit: How many of those who sold post dumpage did so because they thought the price will fall further and how many because they thought: "JEEEEEEEBUS, GTFO ASAP!!!!"?
i would have held if i could edit my damn stop loss on magnr.  instead i sold automatically at 363.  I'm gonna go with there being support at 364.  just bought back in at 364.7. 

Of course. Stop Loss.

I don't think my brain is awake yet.



3411. Post 13119318 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: noobtrader on December 01, 2015, 11:29:01 AM
i told you all this will go sideways all the way to christmas, 400 is not an option until the next halfing

Are you trading in line with this theory or are you HODLing?



3412. Post 13119428 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: noobtrader on December 01, 2015, 11:43:17 AM
i told you all this will go sideways all the way to christmas, 400 is not an option until the next halfing

pfff. noob. ;-)

 Grin Grin Cool

i told you all this will go sideways all the way to christmas, 400 is not an option until the next halfing

Are you trading in line with this theory or are you HODLing?

HODLing off course, what if i was selling my btc then this bitcoin thing goes 3000 overnight lol

Good Man!



3413. Post 13120936 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):


Volume on Stamp has dropped off dramatically after the peak at $502.

Looks like someone is done accumulating.



3414. Post 13121963 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

  I feel like dancing




3415. Post 13122500 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 01, 2015, 06:18:35 PM
oprahfail.gif

Everybody in the front row today is getting ... hot knives! You get a hot knife! And you get a hot knife! And you get a hot knife! Everybody gets hot knives!

I'll up you one

https://www.hardcoreanal.com/gay/bikerfuckedinass/view?=175_ghy_tllp



3416. Post 13122637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 01, 2015, 06:40:05 PM
oprahfail.gif

Everybody in the front row today is getting ... hot knives! You get a hot knife! And you get a hot knife! And you get a hot knife! Everybody gets hot knives!

I'll up you one

https://www.hardcoreanal.com/gay/bikerfuckedinass/view?=175_ghy_tllp


Um. I'm not clicking on this unless you can guarantee I won't see hardcore anal biker porn.

I'll hold.

You're Ray Charles. You'll be fine.

Or will you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cnzuI4fsMs



3417. Post 13122695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 01, 2015, 06:48:42 PM




3418. Post 13122984 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: xcdrx on December 01, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
bitcoin is dead

we will probably see new lows by 2016

Looks like another member sold their account to the JIDF.

We ain't got a chance...
https://youtu.be/RlHVin56U2w
With Jews, we lose  Sad

C'mon, do that 2dumb2fart joke again.



3419. Post 13123178 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: niallo27 on December 01, 2015, 07:53:18 PM
I am confused. Does anyone know whats going on with the price.



3420. Post 13123538 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 01, 2015, 08:38:57 PM
I am confused. Does anyone know whats going on with the price.

HELLO!

i know where price is going at all times what would you like to know?

Should i buy buy buy or sell sell sell. In fairness its all pretty exciting, I have a lot of shares in J&J and the price hardly ever moves so the volatility of Bitcoin is great to watch.

you should hodl hodl hodl.

price is due to test 333, this will prove to be unbreakable support and then market will gain confidence, pop back up and start to demolish resistance at 380, and then head for 500 where we will briefly bounce violently between 400-500 untill mainstream media picks up on the story and they have "experts" come on TV setting price targets of 10K+. Immediately after the stunning and very convincing mass media hype price doubles over night, the world takes notice 2 weeks later we are at 10K+ and experts now predict the end of the FIAT by 2020, the world GOES NUTS, gramma dump her 401K's,  China lifts its ban on bitcoin, we are at 32,000$ and climbing fast, Some kid in his basement creates a new type of digital currency, and everything start over again.



FIAT is doing well, even if Chrysler is dragging it down.



3421. Post 13123642 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 01, 2015, 09:05:35 PM

FIAT is doing well, even if Chrysler is dragging it down.

did you not see Janet almost throw up as she gave the "FIAT is doing well speach"?

Janet Stark? Too much Italian food I guess.



3422. Post 13123664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 01, 2015, 09:08:42 PM
I felt so bad i almost passed out

I shouldn't of ate that burrito

sure..... it was the burrito....

I think that's the wrong Janet and the wrong Italian food.

Edit: I will ride my FIAT joke to the ground if need be.



3423. Post 13123861 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 01, 2015, 09:15:06 PM

https://youtu.be/LdhXq7j4_gQ?t=2m50s

You're no fun



3424. Post 13124059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 01, 2015, 10:01:03 PM



I thought it would be fun to revisit an old chuckler. But no, the humour police had to lay down the law.

I even found a Janet in FIAT/Chrysler management. I was aiming for the moon with this one.



3425. Post 13124160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: xcdrx on December 01, 2015, 10:13:39 PM
I even found a Janet in FIAT/Chrysler management. I was aiming for the moon with this one.
Sad
FIAT is doing well, even if Chrysler is dragging it down.
OSCA, OTOH... RIP OSCA.

I know, I saw. But you don't count.

Besides, OSCA and Maseratis of that era was like Ferraris made while wearing mittens.




3426. Post 13124287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: xcdrx on December 01, 2015, 10:27:17 PM
I even found a Janet in FIAT/Chrysler management. I was aiming for the moon with this one.
Sad
FIAT is doing well, even if Chrysler is dragging it down.
OSCA, OTOH... RIP OSCA.

I know, I saw. But you don't count.

Besides, OSCA and Maseratis of that era was like Ferrari's made while wearing mittens.

You mean when Ferrari was Ferrari, and not a FIAT with delusions of grandeur?

Let's not go down that road.

Jaguar is Tata.
Bentley is Volkswagen.
RR is BMW.
Lamborghini is Audi, which is Volkswagen.

Unless you're going for a Koenigsegg you're buying watered down brands.



3427. Post 13124444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 01, 2015, 10:54:13 PM
Aston Martin is not a watered down brand.

The current look of Aston Martin was developed under Ford ownership. The DB7 is riddled with Ford switches. The DB9 has the same Sat Nav as the Volvo XC90.



3428. Post 13124507 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 01, 2015, 11:04:26 PM

Aston Martin is not a watered down brand.

Not since Ford dumped them for less than $1b to an investment group in Kuwait.

Pretty, but heavy, poor handling, and terrible resale values for the non-classic cars. 

The DB9 is so pretty I don't care if it runs at all. I'd be very pleased just having one on a plinth in the garden.



3429. Post 13124546 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: oda.krell on December 01, 2015, 11:15:26 PM
Meh. Who needs those unreliable, flashy supercars. A man should own two cars:

A Mercedes, probably S class (for being serious), and a Porsche, probably 911 (for fun).

@fatman: And don't even think of saying Porsche is "watered down" because it's part of the Volkswagen group. That's the damn origin of the company after all, courtesy of Dr. Strangelove Ferdinand Porsche Cheesy

Besides, Porsche bought VW, not the other way 'round.



3430. Post 13124602 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: oda.krell on December 01, 2015, 11:21:08 PM
@fatman

It's a bit more complicated than that, right?

The ownership relations are: Porsche <-- Volkswagen <-- Porsche Holding <-- Porsche & Piech families <-- Ashkenazi Spacelizards (the last one's for r0ach :3)

Yeah, you're right. But still impressive. And as you pointed out, they're related anyhow.



3431. Post 13124664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: nioc on December 01, 2015, 11:25:13 PM
Aston Martin is not a watered down brand.

The current look of Aston Martin was developed under Ford ownership. The DB7 is riddled with Ford switches. The DB9 has the same Sat Nav as the Volvo XC90.

~40 years ago RR used a Chevy/GM alternator, what's your point?

My car is 26 years old and I keep it for the kick ass stereo. 

My original point was that there are few premium brands that haven't been bought up by one of the large car companys and been watered down.



3432. Post 13124711 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 01, 2015, 11:29:17 PM
Meh. Who needs those unreliable, flashy supercars. A man should own two cars:

A Mercedes, probably S class (for being serious), and a Porsche, probably 911 (for fun).


Pretty similar tastes.

E39 M5 with manual trans instead of S class techno barge.

Any 911 except 996 and 991. Cayman GT4 acceptable  Cheesy



I'd skip the 964 as well.



3433. Post 13124790 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 01, 2015, 11:46:10 PM

I'd skip the 964 as well.


Well, maybe at today's prices. Would have been nice to have filled a warehouse with them a decade ago.

I have a list of cars for that warehouse. The only problem is that I'd probably never be able to sell any of them. It's better to buy BTC for now.



3434. Post 13128247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: galdur on December 02, 2015, 10:25:43 AM
Have you ever wondered what makes idiots pay several dollars for a cup of coffee? Well, apart from them being idiots of course. Itīs really strange, what with the extreme oversupply of coffee, the price of coffee is at a 30-year low. This chart only goes back 20 years though.

[...]


I always assumed that the people selling coffee to idiots wouldn't be paying the spot price for coffee but instead paying a premium for coffee forwards or futures, so they could guarantee they stayed in business if the spot price suddenly rocketed.

Their customers are still idiots, though.

Well, as far back as I remember retarded scientists have been predicting widespread crop failure due to increasing CO2 in the atmosphere. Iīm sure that scare mongering has moved prices but it didnīt prevent record grain crop yields in 2014. I guess plants like CO2 a lot more than do scientists.

I think the crop failure was supposed to be because increasing CO2 leads to more unstable weather patterns leading to events like flooding and drought.

2012–15 North American drought

"1,692 counties across 36 states in the U.S. have been legally declared primary natural disaster areas as of August 17 as the drought continues to cover 62% of the contiguous U.S."

Good to hear that's not a problem.



3435. Post 13128298 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: hdbuck on December 02, 2015, 10:49:47 AM

I think the crop failure was supposed to be because increasing CO2 leads to more unstable weather patterns leading to events like flooding and drought.

2012–15 North American drought

"1,692 counties across 36 states in the U.S. have been legally declared primary natural disaster areas as of August 17 as the drought continues to cover 62% of the contiguous U.S."

Good to hear that's not a problem.


Roll Eyes kid got served that same old mainstream soup heh.

You should instead be concerned about how USG programs such as HAARP are factually controlling the weather.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/weather-warfare-beware-the-us-military-s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare/7561
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/shortcuts/2015/feb/16/can-the-cia-weaponise-the-weather-geoengineering



3436. Post 13128366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: sniveling on December 02, 2015, 11:00:03 AM
Prepare your ass for sub $200 coins!
ymmm, sounds promising, but we need some FUD news

There should be more than enough FUD news in the shitload of new threads started today by newbies with random user names like FW8Dt5, Jd19bW, C6H68g, and ALlYg8. I haven't got round to reading any of them yet because they all look like the work of the same person whose choices of user names are so random that they would make good passwords.

It's one of lambie's new hobbies.



3437. Post 13129170 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on December 02, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
The low oil price was disastrous for Venezuela, whose economy has long been entirely based on oil exports and has very little domestic industry and agriculture.  That is basically why the bolivar tumbled so spectacularly in recent years.

Venezuela has had every opportunity to diversify its economy. Their oil reserves and oil revenues for the last decades should have put them in an extraordinary well off position. Poor leadership and the peoples appetite for corrupt populist leaders is what's standing in their way.




3438. Post 13129896 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):



If I were trading I'd be screaming "BULL TRAP" right now.



3439. Post 13130217 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Meuh6879 on December 02, 2015, 02:50:02 PM

They try to SELL EVERYTHING ... but they can't.
Bitcoin always rise and can not crash at low level now.

Conversion of economy in progress ... good people, they think now.
Finally.

Hell Yeah!!!

Only 99.993% left!!!



3440. Post 13130613 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 02, 2015, 03:51:14 PM
In Indonesia itīs not a weasel but some kind of cat in the poop coffee story there. Some other place itīs goats I think. Itīs true stories Iīm sure but the sales based on it are probably mostly a scam.

can we do this to bitcoin and have its value increase?

?

I thought that's what we're doing?



3441. Post 13133281 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):



?

Are you all lambie or are you all a bunch of nutters?

I'm a bit confused atm.



3442. Post 13133409 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: Tzupy on December 02, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
China is asleep and doesn't follow yet. Time to wake up comrades, and panic buy... Wink

At last, China is waking up. I hope Adam won't get his cheap coins... Grin

These are the cheap coins.

CCMF!!!



3443. Post 13133454 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 02, 2015, 10:11:17 PM
...
bitcoin is a power tool, one which makes it impossible unnecessary for a bad actors to pretend to be good.
FTFY
Adam, I don't think you have any idea how corruption actually works. It's not done by refusing to show the books, it's done by overpaying for crap & cronyism -- basically what thermos is doing right now by paying his buddy millions to work on the new forum software Smiley

when the government build the olympic stadium here in montreal, tucks would get paid for materials or wtv as they came in, so the trucks would come in, turn around, and come back in again, to get paid twice! poeple working there were cool with it because everyone feels like the government is stealing from them, and this was just some pay back.

a tiny bit of proper organization wouldn't of allowed for that, thats what it all comes down to, organization, if you organize things properly corruption isn't a possible.

everything that can go worng will go wrong, so make sure nothing can go worng.

fiat opens the door to alot of things going wrong...

things that require trust and good will are doomed to fail.

That has nothing to do with fiat vs crypto. That has to do with Montreal being french.



3444. Post 13134385 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 02, 2015, 11:38:03 PM
http://edgysocial.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/preach.jpg


So you think a larger part of the budget should go to social programs?

Refreshing to see someone with a social conscience in here.



3445. Post 13136638 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.35h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 03, 2015, 01:57:12 AM

So you think a larger part of the budget should go to social programs?

Refreshing to see someone with a social conscience in here.

Just imagine if Obamination's bailout of big banking and motorcade was instead, distributed equally among every legal citizen. Imagine if all of Bush Jr's war dollars were instead used to build the best charter schools in the history of the modern era. Imagine if the financing we have been giving to 'moderate rebels' for almost two decades now, was given to every person that agreed to give an allocated amount of their time back to their local communties. Imagine if we did not have a societal structure based on cost efficiency and waste, yet instead based on longevity and innovation. Imagine, if you will, America did not incarcerate non violent offenders; Instead, taught them how to start businesses, manage equity, and flourish in a proactive society. We would be kicking China's ass right now. Instead, we are lagging behind in dozens of aspects in human evolution, societal advancement, and encourage repression in our main stream media and politically correct fear-filth.

I don't support free loading. I support worldwide opportunistic equality. Yes, equality can be had with still being able to capitalize on your strong points. When the system is set up for failure from the beginning, it needs to be washed away and reordered. The new world order is coming, although it will not be the NWO movement the cabal are thirsting for.


This is what I don't get. What you're describing is fairly close to a well-functioning welfare state. A system where people are given opportunities. What's the point of painting it in this right wing hue?



3446. Post 13136977 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 03, 2015, 09:23:08 AM
Odd isn't it Huh

Yup

Quote from: peonminer on December 03, 2015, 02:05:56 AM
Crawl back into your WWIII bunker filled with your useless filth you call fiat. Bathe in it, burn it for warmth, use it to wipe your disgusting arses, because soon that is all it will be useful for.
Wait, you expect to use your funbux after the apocalypse you've been prepping for? Because the comsats'll be comsatting and interweb providers'll be providing interwebs@groundzer0?
Maybe swap some paper wallets for tins of dog food, hmm?
You wacky, disruptively stupid young people! The nutty shit you imagine!

I guess you've never heard of bartering or precious metals, eh, cabal filthmonger? Oh, that's right. You prefer PAPER FRACTIONAL RESERVE for your precious metals. Right, because that bunk representation will not be moot during an apocalyptic event. Wink Keep it coming, scumbag sock shill(s).

Quote from: jbreher on December 03, 2015, 02:10:27 AM
[...] The nutty shit you imagine!

Aside from the fact that OP was talking about *fiat-lover's* WWIII bunker, not bitcoin-lover's bunker....

Wait, you expect to use your USD - overwhelmingly digital, or your Visa - intractibly dependent upon the Internet, after the apocalypse you've been prepping for? Because the comsats'll be comsatting and interweb providers'll be providing interwebs@groundzer0?
Maybe swap the $117.37 that your on-hand cash is limited to for tins of dog food, hmm?
You wacky, conventionally stupid old people! The nutty shit you imagine!

Am I the only one who expects to die in the apocalypse?



3447. Post 13137351 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

@noobtrader u guyz...



3448. Post 13138454 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


BAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

TO DAA MMOOOOOONN!!!!!





3449. Post 13139512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Richy_T on December 03, 2015, 03:04:08 PM

Am I the only one who expects to die in the apocalypse?


It's likely. But what if I don't?

Then plans will fail and life will be difficult.



3450. Post 13139804 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Richy_T on December 03, 2015, 03:17:30 PM

Then plans will fail and life will be difficult.

Surely. But there are a few things you can do to make things easier for yourself until some degree of sustainability can be obtained. And those things are usually fairly cheap too.

And the truth is, disasters happen on a somewhat exponential scale. So being able to get along for a few weeks will keep you ready for many small things that could cause problems.

If you live in an area prone to natural disasters it makes sense to take necessary precautions. I have a kit with blankets, chocolates and a shovel, in case my car breaks down in the winter. But I'd generally rather focus my energy on avoiding the apocalypse global warming, global war, famine and promote democracy and prosperity for all. I think "Mad Max Land" sounds like a shitty place to live.



3451. Post 13140225 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 03, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
i just wokeup to 10K emails saying " ANXPRO.COM Security Notification - Login Failure "  Cheesy

they seem to be coming in at about 1 pre seconds

 it's likely a brute force attack on your password.

ya, i contacted support...
but i don't use this exchange i created an account once apon a time.
the password is way to strong to brute force anyway...
kinda silly they don't have some kind of  brute force prevention tho, a simple lock out for 5 mins after 3 failed attempts would do it.


might aswell use this to remind poeple to use a strong password.

check it out: https://howsecureismypassword.net/

my password gets this

It would take a desktop PC about
2,521,397,228,022,083,400,000,000 years
to crack your password
 Cheesy

I tested it with the name of an ancient Norwegian King, first half capitol letters second half lower case, and the year of his most famous battle. It would take 1 million years to crack that password.



3452. Post 13140857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 03, 2015, 03:27:12 PM
So, in a society where everyone is trained to be well educated, business minded, money cautious, community prospering, and product longevity driven, would you still feel like you're living in a 'welfare state'? We outsource our assembly to sweatshops, and pay ass hats to sit on the couch and soak up fear porn on their tax paying citizen 'cable television'.

Hey, you might want to check your national news networks, your freedom is showing.

Freedom?

What are you talking about?

Don't you see that a society where you prescribe what kind of people should be in it is extremely collectivistic?




3453. Post 13141082 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 03, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
I appreciate your feedback Fatman, and I can see your side of each debate. Smiley I believe in a sense, we both have valid views and points.  Grin

Thx, although I'm struggling to wrap my mind around your vision, it's good to see that you've thought about the things I've pointed out.

It seems to me that every self-declared anarchist/libertarian has their very own brand of political thought going.

I'd pay real money to see a documentary on Elwar's 'Libertarian Sea Community', if it ever were to happen.



3454. Post 13141133 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: aztecminer on December 03, 2015, 06:27:25 PM
It would take a desktop PC about Infinity years to crack your password


we're not going to use a desktop pc to crack his pw, we're going to use our asic farm.

It would be so funny if he made a SHA-256 based password.



3455. Post 13141619 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 03, 2015, 07:24:20 PM
I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!

GOING ALL IN.

STFU AND EAT FIAT BITCHES!



Oh shit... price is going to go down.....  Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Cry

Yup.

Screw TA, The Adam Indicator works every time.



3456. Post 13141643 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


Her you go Adam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUvKE3bQlY

Something to chew on.



3457. Post 13142488 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

And there we go.

TAI (The Adam Indicator) in action.



3458. Post 13142518 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 03, 2015, 09:37:39 PM


thx



3459. Post 13142565 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: ask on December 03, 2015, 09:42:46 PM
Time to short.

Who asked you?

(Sound of knee-slap)



3460. Post 13147475 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


I am struggling to express myself.

None of the gifs on giphy works on this forum any more.



3461. Post 13147765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 04, 2015, 01:10:54 PM

I am struggling to express myself.

None of the gifs on giphy works on this forum any more.

Yea man...you have been struggling for a long time now!  Grin

Well, I am fat.



3462. Post 13147935 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: nioc on December 04, 2015, 01:32:03 PM

I am struggling to express myself.

None of the gifs on giphy works on this forum any more.

Yea man...you have been struggling for a long time now!  Grin

Well, I am fat.

A good way to store food for the coming apocalypse!

вceгдa гoтoв



3463. Post 13148422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):



I'm riding high on TAI



3464. Post 13157035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Alley on December 05, 2015, 01:45:09 PM
I just sold everything.  You can clearly see on the 3 minute chart bitcoin is dead.



3465. Post 13159366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 05, 2015, 05:52:07 PM
The wealthy are mostly concerned with shielding their capital from dirty regulators hands and oversight. Bitcoin offers unparalleled value in that regard.

hmmmm...

-.-- --- ..- / .- .-. . / .- -. / .. -.. .. --- -

The wealthy tend to prefer tax avoidance rather than tax evasion.



3466. Post 13160319 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 05, 2015, 10:00:36 PM

Original Bitcoin collectors are enjoying tremendous returns  Wink


Worthy of emulation, right?

So, realistically, you had about 1 year of time to buy at a "loss" compared to current prices, between Nov. 2013 and Nov. 2014. Buying at any other time means you're not in the red, and, in fact, made a profit (on paper, assuming you're long)

Date Registered:   February 16, 2014, 06:46:12 PM   Undecided

I know, it's a shame you've been here 2 years longer than me yet can't seem  to grasp the most simple concepts  Undecided

ech... who cares?

Bitcoin XT is winning now that Gavin Andresen is at the helm.

I'm actually curious to see if you and hdbuck will keep bitching on about this stupidity when it's all over.



3467. Post 13160470 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 05, 2015, 10:35:41 PM

ech... who cares?

Bitcoin XT is winning now that Gavin Andresen is at the helm.

I'm actually curious to see if you and hdbuck will keep bitching on about this stupidity when it's all over.


Over 25% of the hashing power has explicitly said they wouldn't be doing 101, especially as XT.

Both fundamentalist camps are going to have to swallow their pride and come to a compromise in the form of a more conservative increase schedule.

You friggin twerp! I was trying to troll brg444!

Of course Bitcoin XT is dead, but it would be nice to annoy brg444 one last time.



3468. Post 13160857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):



You ok, Adam?

Did you buy back?



3469. Post 13160871 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):




3470. Post 13160910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):



Volume looks a bit iffy



3471. Post 13161181 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on December 06, 2015, 12:35:56 AM
c'mon guys squeeze those shorts !!!!!!!!

I've already done my part .... ALL IN MFs !!!!!!!!

Don't  want to brag  but ...

TOLD YOU SO MOTHERFUCKERS !!!!!!!!

wut?

oh....

busy counting moneyz



3472. Post 13161206 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


g'nite guyz

plz d'nt kill m'dreamz



3473. Post 13164379 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


This one's for you, lambie: A Bitcoiner Is Born



3474. Post 13167281 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


 The $300s bores me. Give me the $400s $500s $600s $1800s.



3475. Post 13167534 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: TaurusBit on December 06, 2015, 06:32:29 PM
Cup formed? Handle incoming?
-snip-

Wouldn't we have to get to $500 before we'll see a handle?



3476. Post 13167859 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 06, 2015, 07:23:51 PM
oh 400 you little cock tease

ahhh

there it is

feels good



3477. Post 13168841 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 06, 2015, 07:05:04 PM
Cup formed? Handle incoming?
-snip-

Wouldn't we have to get to $500 before we'll see a handle?

You're late to the party! Tongue



Looks like sort of a lopsided cup to me.

All I've been told on the matter is to remember that a square is not a circle.



3478. Post 13169862 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Tzupy on December 07, 2015, 12:16:27 AM
No panic yet? Wink



3479. Post 13172310 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 07, 2015, 08:50:48 AM

tl;do read

I'll let luke-jr supply a little cold water for your 4-6 year solution euphoria:

Quote
[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 6 points 2 hours ago
Hmm, problem here is that CPU usage is not the primary bottleneck for block sizes: bandwidth is. And unfortunately, SW doesn't help in the bandwidth area at all. So while I do think we should take this opportunity to get the block size changes softforked in instead of hardforked (buying us a bit more time before a hardfork is required?), it does still need to be gradual and not just 4x at once.
My suggestion is to go based on either BIP 103 or John Sacco's double-the-limit-every-subsidy-halving idea.

wut?

no magic?

Small-block scaling is starting to remind me of cold fusion.



3480. Post 13172767 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 07, 2015, 09:15:56 AM

tl;do read

I'll let luke-jr supply a little cold water for your 4-6 year solution euphoria:

Quote
[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 6 points 2 hours ago
Hmm, problem here is that CPU usage is not the primary bottleneck for block sizes: bandwidth is. And unfortunately, SW doesn't help in the bandwidth area at all. So while I do think we should take this opportunity to get the block size changes softforked in instead of hardforked (buying us a bit more time before a hardfork is required?), it does still need to be gradual and not just 4x at once.
My suggestion is to go based on either BIP 103 or John Sacco's double-the-limit-every-subsidy-halving idea.

wut?

no magic?

Small-block scaling is starting to remind me of cold fusion.

god you bears are desperate, at least try and use material you have an inkling of ... hint: there are 16 inklings in a clue.

Sure, I'm a bear and Gavin's an idiot. Seems like you've got it all figured out.

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 07, 2015, 09:36:30 AM

An hour later he gave us a kernel of moral wisdom on slavery.

Quote
To Christians: why is slavery not permitted today? by some_random_guy_5345 in DebateReligion
[–]luke-jr 1 point an hour ago
Slavery is an imperfection. We can and should strive to get rid of imperfections. However, since slavery is not inherently immoral itself, when it is practised, it must be done morally and slaves treated as people, hence the need for guidelines.

I'll stop writing about blocksize if you can get Luke to stop writing about philosophy.




3481. Post 13179057 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


BAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

ROOOOOOCKEEEEEETZZZ!!!!!

TRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNZZZ!!!!





3482. Post 13183047 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: becoin on December 08, 2015, 11:36:38 AM
Yeah, having been called an idiot/troll/shill by the "1 MB is sacred" crowd for months did spoil my academic detachment, I confess. 
Everyone that is part of "XT altcoin is sacred" crowd is idiot/troll/shill.

That's a particularly idiotic statement. And it's not even from brg444 or hdbuck.



3483. Post 13186009 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):



 c'mon xbt



3484. Post 13186665 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: Richy_T on December 08, 2015, 06:27:48 PM

I like the change.


It's more the agenda than the change itself.


Quote
Also, comments with a score of -5 or lower will no longer be hidden. I think that this feature of Reddit is very harmful to discussion because it silences people with unpopular opinions.
https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vtkpk/when_did_scores_start_to_get_hidden_on_everyones/cxqmi5b?context=3

By which he means his opinions. He regularly says some pretty contentious stuff which regularly gets voted down *very* heavily. They have rationalized it in their minds as some kind of hacktivism rather than the more pragmatic interpretation that people just don't like what he's writing. The paranoia is palpable and the latest steps are just more signs of the bunker mentality that's setting in.

Will he ban Core as well if they go for SW?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vsjzi/am_i_the_only_one_totally_freaked_out_about/



3485. Post 13186789 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):



hmmm..... lambie is thermos. I mean, Theymos.



3486. Post 13186857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: jbreher on December 08, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Frankly, I admire Stolfi for never losing his cool when subjected to inappropriate ridicule and disrespect. Could we maybe just try to act like grownups?


To be fair, Stolfi is mostly trolling. Although I support larger blocks myself, I do suspect Stolfi is trolling in this regard as well.
I did have a hope that the inner nerd in him lit a fire a while ago, but alas. He is obviously not stupid, so the way he manages to misrepresent just about everything he's referring to should be a red light for most.

PS. Oh, and I made him lose his cool once. It's not easy but it can be done.



3487. Post 13186899 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 08, 2015, 06:59:17 PM
Frankly, I admire Stolfi for never losing his cool when subjected to inappropriate ridicule and disrespect. Could we maybe just try to act like grownups?


To be fair, Stolfi is mostly trolling. Although I support larger blocks myself, I do suspect Stolfi is trolling in this regard as well.
I did have a hope that the inner nerd in him lit a fire a while ago, but alas. He is obviously not stupid, so the way he manages to misrepresent just about everything he's referring to should be a red light for most.

PS. Oh, and I made him lose his cool once. It's not easy but it can be done.

I seem to remember not long ago he wished we all die in a fire. Cheesy

Academically speaking, of course.



3488. Post 13188374 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on December 08, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
-snip-
So it begins . . .
-snip-

-snip--snip-

If this pans out as you suggest this will be a very happy forum. RIP bears..... Maybe   

I just sold some coinage to pay mining related bills.

I held it off as long as I could.

I guess the Bitcoin Gods were waiting for me as well.



Up, Up and Away!!!




3489. Post 13188462 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: celes8 on December 08, 2015, 10:12:26 PM
Something has to happen for us to soar past previous ATH


Sure, the industry has matured, there are stronger products, better sentiment, but if people think we're just going to randomly 10x ourselves within a year, just because, they are stupid and wrong. That's not say i dont believe that we can reach or surpass previous ATH, I think in the immediate future it is possible, but 10x? lol.


There has to be a catalyst for a 10x pump within a reasonable timeframe.


there 1000% wont be a 10x pump based on technicals and charts. I'd bet everything on that.

It's like you read my mind in the summer of 2013.



3490. Post 13188509 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on December 08, 2015, 10:21:35 PM
http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/

Bullish or bearish ?

Does it matter?

Everyone knows Tor was created by the NSA (not "I want to believe" knows, but knows knows), it doesn't seem to keep the tinfoil brigade away.



3491. Post 13188745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: ben stutzer on December 08, 2015, 10:40:50 PM
...
It's like you read my mind in the summer of 2013.

G'on! You didn't get here til Nov. '14.
Not fully indoctrinated even then, your second post:
But a pump has to come for somewhere, or are we waiting for the Messiah of the "More money than brains club"?
Apparently...

I decided early on that I wouldn't join this forum.

But the combination of the most annoying troll on earth and the most delusional bulls I've ever seen forced me to put my brave boots on and wade into the cesspit.



3492. Post 13188820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: ben stutzer on December 08, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
...
It's like you read my mind in the summer of 2013.

G'on! You didn't get here til Nov. '14.
Not fully indoctrinated even then, your second post:
But a pump has to come for somewhere, or are we waiting for the Messiah of the "More money than brains club"?
Apparently...

I decided early on that I wouldn't join this forum.

But the combination of the most annoying troll on earth and the most delusional bulls I've ever seen forced me to put my brave boots on and wade into the cesspit.

Flawless victory Cool



3493. Post 13192955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Best quote from local media on the Wright news:

"Olaf du må vakne, hakkarane kjem!"



3494. Post 13194208 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Australia keeps spewing out these right wing loons who tries to change the world.

Screw the zionist conspiracy! Australians are trying to take over the world and create a NWO!!!




3495. Post 13194322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: jjeffreys on December 09, 2015, 01:15:48 PM
Australia keeps spewing out these right wing loons who tries to change the world.

Screw the zionist conspiracy! Australians are trying to take over the world and create a NWO!!!

The Australian School is a school of economic thought that is based on the concept of methodological individualism and comically oversized knives – that social phenomena result from the motivations and actions of Australians.

I knew it!!! Those beady eyed bastards!!!

They're just the same as the Canadians!!



I'm telling you!!! It ain't American at all!!!



3496. Post 13194403 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: rebuilder on December 09, 2015, 01:20:41 PM


Where's Satoshi?


I can see Adam!



3497. Post 13195619 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: oda.krell on December 09, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
[...]

My impression is that Wright (may he or may he not be SN) wanted to be found.
clap clap good read butters

Snark aside, that line is, in my opinion, our take-home message so far.

By itself, it doesn't exclude the possibility that Wright is Satoshi, but it does add additional requirements on what counts as proof -- and what we've seen so far doesn't constitute that, imo.

Does he still have any github privileges? Maybe one of those fancy crypto-sig thingys?

If he takes the limelight and admits to being satoshi I'll want some confirmation in that direction.

If not, he either wants to be ignored or deserves to be ignored.



3498. Post 13196239 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: chesthing on December 09, 2015, 04:41:37 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still over $400. Let's see if it holds until the next leg up.

Up $30 and down $10 ain't a bad day.

Day's just begun, Jimbo.

Depends on where you live

Edit: Ouch! I guess it doesn't.

Edit 2: @chesthing sry for bad joke. The premise is that you're posting on a forum and not PM. I know. It's shit.



3499. Post 13196376 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 09, 2015, 04:54:13 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still over $400. Let's see if it holds until the next leg up.

Up $30 and down $10 ain't a bad day.

Day's just begun, Jimbo.

Depends on where you live

Edit: Ouch! I guess it doesn't.


Fatman, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?

Yes I would, Brockman.



3500. Post 13196461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


I am not completely satisfied with current developments.



3501. Post 13196718 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: chesthing on December 09, 2015, 05:27:57 PM
Warning: I bought back at $402, probable crash incoming because my luck is usually terrible.

It's ok, I sold some at $396. God hates me more.



3502. Post 13196939 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


Looks like lambie is long.

Maybe leveraged.

Here you go: http://www.gamblersanonymous.org.uk/



3503. Post 13197615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on December 09, 2015, 07:06:27 PM
post music that gets you HYPE for bitcoin taking over the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoaUYcwEpSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24DYL83cq54

Ehhh.... I meant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM



3504. Post 13198261 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: aminorex on December 09, 2015, 08:15:08 PM
Monkey vision:  Drop towards 390 support intraday, rising trend to continue thereafter on a daily basis, and over the weekend.


You know this is wrong



3505. Post 13198312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: aztecminer on December 09, 2015, 08:31:38 PM
sold out bulls still waiting for 2XX coins will be sitting here twiddling thumbs at 450 waiting for 3XX coins ... same old, same old ( I used to be one of those guys and it sucks)


nope.. that money is going into metals. i wont buy above 300. too risky ..

So, what do you think will plummet if we get e rerun of 2008, only this time China is joining?



3506. Post 13198412 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: aztecminer on December 09, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
sold out bulls still waiting for 2XX coins will be sitting here twiddling thumbs at 450 waiting for 3XX coins ... same old, same old ( I used to be one of those guys and it sucks)


nope.. that money is going into metals. i wont buy above 300. too risky ..

So, what do you think will plummet if we get e rerun of 2008, only this time China is joining?


what do you mean?? if bitcoin goes up .. i'm covered. insurance policy... i got coins in cold storage. i might be done buying bitcoins altogether. i'm not trading bitcoins anymore cuz i dont have any to trade and i am absolutely refusing to buy at higher than 300.. period. i'll buy metals. u dont give a dam then i don't give a dam. i am much more confident buying metals than bitcoins. i think end game the metals are going to be worth a lot more than bitcoin crypto-digits. china is buying more metals than cryptos for sure.

That's my point. But if the brakes are on for real in China, they'll consume less metal. A lot less.



3507. Post 13198452 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


I think Theymos might have been advising the Trump campaign.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2015/12/08/donald-trump-thinks-he-can-call-bill-gates-to-shut-down-the-internet/



3508. Post 13198551 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: aztecminer on December 09, 2015, 08:54:16 PM
i'm not talking about consumers... lol. china, the govy, is buying up the gold.

I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about metals in general.



3509. Post 13198942 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: chesthing on December 09, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
If fiat does collapse to zero, I assure you the last thing on your mind will be bitcoin - it will be how the fuck am I going to survive this day?

Don't you read this thread at all?

These guyz have fiber to their fallout shelters.

And guns. Lots of them.



3510. Post 13199078 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on December 09, 2015, 10:13:26 PM
Any of you chaps happen to know how the SR coins were actually seized?

I'd assume they got hold of his shit and found the private keys, but some guy seems to think the NSA used their super sekrit backdoor keys to steal them.

Can anyone shed light on this conundrum

He gave them access to them. Life in prison didn't sound too appealing.



3511. Post 13199956 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):

Quote from: TERA on December 10, 2015, 12:22:12 AM
Over the rally from $350 to $425, the bid walls on bfx steadily grew from 35k to 41k. Now suddenly they are down to 31k. Speculations?

Wow! I'm walking among legends.



3512. Post 13200132 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.36h):


Ok, I see.

This is more like "The Beast Has Awoken" than "The Second Coming".

One post and we fell $5. And that's when he's in a good mood.



3513. Post 13202695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


I wonder if SW would even be considered if core hadn't invested their egos (and more) in not allowing a blocksize increase.



3514. Post 13203522 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: oda.krell on December 10, 2015, 10:05:59 AM
Mike Hearn's little free shit peed-in-my-pants [snip]

Way to ruin a pretty decent reputation you had here.

I'm getting the impression that an emerging bull market isn't exactly a good influence on your ego. I'm half expecting risto to drop by any moment now, posting about his latest renovation projects.

Not to mention this little nugget.

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 10, 2015, 05:50:26 AM
... nup, just we duh wunt mah-big-blocks massah.

I know I'm going to be accused of being too PC, but the more I look at it the more problematic it looks.



3515. Post 13205102 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 10, 2015, 02:15:37 PM
LOL!

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html

Isn't this the same e-mail that supported smallblocks a couple of months ago?

It seems like this "Satoshi" and Craig Wright have the same appetite for inconsistency.

Not to mention that if "We are all Satoshi" then, in accordance with basic logic, Craig Wright is Satoshi.



3516. Post 13205291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: AlexGR on December 10, 2015, 02:32:29 PM

And downloading terabytes of blockchain bloat will?

Bitcoin is a protocol and while it is true that scaling issues exist, they are being worked on to find solutions. But nobody says we all have to use just one blockchain for storing everything, and doing so with zero cost. This is not feasible. We can transact with Dogecoins for the lulz if we want to. It's still bitcoin-based tech. You can have 100 chains, or 1000 chains. The sky is the limit.

As for cost: In Greece, in order to conduct a bank wire from one bank acc of bank A to another bank account of bank B, it goes like cost 1 euro for sender, cost 3 euro for receiver. Total 4 euros of charge even if I transfer like 10 euros. Do you think this puts people off from transacting with the banks? No. They just don't do it for small amounts, or if they do they are using something like "offchain" transaction by using the same bank for internal transferring of one bank account to the other, which typically has zero cost.

First off, if/when Bitcoin takes off for real there's going to be nerd cred to be had running a node. And terabytes of what you call bloat only makes it better.

Second, if a priority transaction goes significantly up in price it will be less suitable for micropayments for services like access to newspaper articles et al, especially in low-cost countries.

Third, if you get rid of all the "dust" you get rid of a world of opportunities in the internet of things. It's way too early to limit the network in this way,



3517. Post 13205384 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Ultrafinery on December 10, 2015, 02:55:31 PM
problem: it doesn't cost "transaction fees" to use debit card or fiat paper to buy something.

So in real life you have multiple payment systems for different purposes, with multi-tiered costs, speeds etc.

In Bitcoin you want to make from microtransactions to billion $$$ transactions, in the same way, with the same speed, with the same minimal cost. Ah well, give it some time until it gets there, right now it clearly isn't capable to scale to that level. And it won't be by doubling or quadrupling, or 1000x the block size. You can't scale such a system to the degree that hierarchical systems do, but other problems plaguing hierarchical systems are dealt with. It's a balancing act.

But you do understand that the whole appeal behind Bitcoin is the fact that it could, potentially, eliminate the need for banks, payment processors, and all the associated expenses, right? That's the part that appeals to people who are not laundering money/running ransomware extortion schemes/buying drugs on DNMs.
Take that away, and what's left is ...yeah, you got it -- straight-up criminal uses.

You mean it's meant to be something like "A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System"?

Nah, that's pie in the sky thinking.



3518. Post 13205743 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: AlexGR on December 10, 2015, 02:59:18 PM
-snip-
The protocol exists for all this world of opportunities. People can still use an alternate chain if they want to use the blockchain to store data, contracts, intellectual property etc etc. There is no "necessity" that it must be done on BTC's blockchain. And it won't be some kind of failure if everything doesn't fit in the BTC blockchain.

The problem is that the BTC blockchains usage isn't sufficiently established for the current crop to decide what Bitcoin is and isn't. I have great faith in Ethereum, less faith in most shitcoins. But to decide now that we're going to leave this and that to other, much more fragile ecosystems, is insane. Let's see what's possible first, what's realistic, what's sustainable, and then carve out the path forward. A rise to 8MB now isn't anything near as potentially damaging as strangling this baby in the crib. If BIP101 turns out to be more of a problem than a solution, change it. We've got a couple of years before it doubles.



3519. Post 13205841 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: AlexGR on December 10, 2015, 03:26:35 PM
Gold = high denomination coins
Silver = medium
Copper = small

But it's a flawed analogy.

If ethereum sees more volume measured in fiat, has more uses, retains its value better, builds up a more robust ecosystem... why should we use Bitcoin?

Bitcoin isn't damned to be the digital equivalent to gold.



3520. Post 13205932 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 10, 2015, 04:09:47 PM
Gold = high denomination coins
Silver = medium
Copper = small

But it's a flawed analogy.

If ethereum sees more volume measured in fiat, has more uses, retains its value better, builds up a more robust ecosystem... why should we use Bitcoin?

Bitcoin isn't damned to be the digital equivalent to gold.

bitcoin is digital gold of the internet and probably always will be.
it is what it is.
not your why you'd trust your money to a bunch of geeks trying to reinvent crypto...

ethereum is a fun side show.  Cheesy

A six billion dollar market cap is nothing against stoopid.

Don't do stoopid and we'll be fine.



3521. Post 13206161 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: TERA on December 10, 2015, 04:40:26 PM
The nsa is testing just one prototype asic, that they're going to build millions more of </fud>

bullish!



3522. Post 13206583 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on December 10, 2015, 05:29:53 PM
Hash rate is skyrocking Shocked Intel started to mine bitcoins or what?  Cheesy
Intellectual individuals. Grin

Hardly.  The intellectual miners, chip manufacturers aside, started in 2009 and stopped somewhere in late 2014/early 2015 if not earlier.   Wink  

Bitcoin mining has been a game for idiots since coming of ASICs.
The initial idea of PoW mining was to distribute control over the network, so that everyone could get their part with hardware that they already own. Things started to go downhill with GPU mining, but coming of ASICs turned this thing into a total mess. Control isn't shared anymore, but control is chased by a bunch greedy idiots, who waste resources to build machinery, that are solving problems that don't have to exist anyway.

And the solution is Piece Of Shit mining? That only works for shitcoins.



3523. Post 13206637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on December 10, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
Hash rate is skyrocking Shocked Intel started to mine bitcoins or what?  Cheesy
Intellectual individuals. Grin

Hardly.  The intellectual miners, chip manufacturers aside, started in 2009 and stopped somewhere in late 2014/early 2015 if not earlier.   Wink  

Bitcoin mining has been a game for idiots since coming of ASICs.
The initial idea of PoW mining was to distribute control over the network, so that everyone could get their part with hardware that they already own. Things started to go downhill with GPU mining, but coming of ASICs turned this thing into a total mess. Control isn't shared anymore, but control is chased by a bunch greedy idiots, who waste resources to build machinery, that are solving problems that don't have to exist anyway.

And the solution is Piece Of Shit mining? That only works for shitcoins.

I've always observed trolls with curiosity.

I thought I'd just stop some shitcoin shilling in its tracks.

Edit: BTW, The Irony!




3524. Post 13209832 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: AlexGR on December 10, 2015, 09:45:54 PM


First, most cryptocurrencies are based on the bitcoin protocol. So bitcoin is still in use, as a protocol, even if it isn't as a currency for a particular transaction.

If I use LTC, I still use the bitcoin protocol. The elements are pretty much the same.


So when push comes to shove Bitcoin XT is an alt and Litecoin is Bitcoin?

In the words of Eurofighters representative in the bid for new fighter jets for Norway:

"You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. We have to know what game we're playing. If we're playing football the ball goes in the net. If we're playing rugby it goes over the pole."




3525. Post 13209907 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 10, 2015, 11:44:00 PM
Quote
Understand this: we sell blockspace.

ummm, wait, didn't you just say before that is was the one true P2P CASH system? Now it is a blockspace real estate bucket shop operation?

As Andreas Antonopolis says, it's "the Internet of money". You apparently want to keep connections limited to 300 baud modems so only the most useful information is shared.

Always resort to the casting of vague aspersions and unsubstantiated BS. You apparently have no clue what I want, neither what you want I suspect.

Quote
It's by design a peer-to-peer electronic CASH system.
your words.

No wonder nobody takes you idiots seriously because you have no arguments just dumb half-baked economic theories, innuendo and then finally smearing and butthurt ragequit.

But I also suspect this is not the real BJA but someone he sold his account to ... someone who is quite happy to troll endlessly on a seemingly divisive issue (but that in reality was settled long ago) to stir up the FUD and milk the confusion cow for as long as possible.

OH-MY-FRIGGIN-FIDDLY-BLIMMIN-BLURTING-GOD!!!!!!

BJA IS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO!!1!!1!!

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf



3526. Post 13209949 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: bitusdbfghjker on December 10, 2015, 11:47:36 PM
... If we're playing football the ball goes in the net. If we're playing rugby it goes over the pole."
And if we're tea-bagging...

Out with the rule book, in with Kenny G.




3527. Post 13210077 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: r0ach on December 11, 2015, 12:03:20 AM
This thread has turned into a complete noob convention.  Whether you think block size should be 1MB or 10MB, to address spam on a blockchain, you don't purposely make the blocks as small as possible, you institute a minimum transaction fee capable of preventing the spam regardless of block size.  Litecoin has a 0.001 min transaction fee for this reason.  Bitcoin needs to increase the minimum transaction fee as well.  Zero fee transactions never should have existed in the first place.

So when Bitcoin is at Adams 32k it will cost $32 to do a transaction?



3528. Post 13210260 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


I get a feeling there's quite a bit of blind overlapping consensus in the small block camp.



3529. Post 13210274 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: DieJohnny on December 11, 2015, 12:48:58 AM
I woke up one day and looked in my wallet. I couldn't find what i was looking for... the passphrase was nonsensical to me any more. I chose to remove it because the thought of it was eating into my brain like a slow acid drop on a loaf of dry crusty bread. I had enough. Things had to change. I needed confidence, assurance, vision, and most of all I need clarity of thought. Enough with the promises, the false narratives, the false flags and worst of all the straight-up, in-your-face deception. I am no longer waiting, i am not going to sit here and wait for my fate to be handed to me in one small violation of my security after another. With this one declaration.... I am no longer waiting..., I feel that sense of liberation, it is upon me, I will step forward to accept my place in history. Join me planet earth, let us do this together, step into the future without shame or guile.... just pure, transparent, open ambition. Let's go.

Sounds like you bought a Trezor.



3530. Post 13213726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 11, 2015, 10:42:02 AM
if willy bot had never existed what would the 2 year price chart look like do you think? would this be the ATH now?

We probably would have been around 250/300$ which is not bad at all. Considering the amount of investments into the Bitcoin ecosystem and the protocol itself Willy just gave us a taste of what is going to be one day.  Wink

yeah, it's taken us a long time to get the taste of willy out of our mouths Sad

I'm still feeling it. But that might be unrelated.



3531. Post 13217365 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: zunarb232 on December 11, 2015, 05:52:39 PM
i got no more coins to sell  Cry

Your GF's bank card is in the toilet bowl, under lid.
New PIN#: 1001
~$3.75 in her kid's piggy bank.
Look out the window. Dude smoking in the blue Camry is a crack BTC dealer, will set you up.
GL!
Lambie's got jokes. Looks like she went full fiat @$380. Grin
The One Without Blemish went 'full fiat' in the 600s. On the way up.
That said, probably still has more dust than your vast BTC holdings on a good day Smiley
HA! You still touch BTCitcoin. Loathe Lambie, loatheeeee! Your brain must get so tired, thinking of new names to give you the appeal of a semi-retarded 4th grader. Such amaze. Very advice. Much central banky. Wow!

Nothing but stupidity and rage left in you. So much for that old "booting bath salts from DNM with totally still good 5cc rigs from the sharps container is totally fine, bro!" chestnut Sad

I'm disappointed in you. You had the perfect setup and all you do is whinge. How the mighty have fallen.



3532. Post 13217639 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

If we reach $500 a few days before new year and slowly slide down to $460-$470 early January, I'm expecting chartists to blow a fuse.



3533. Post 13217761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Kriegsmerinade on December 11, 2015, 06:34:05 PM
I've done nothing wrong Cool

Exactly!



Such disappoint. Such acting.



3534. Post 13218046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: 600watt on December 11, 2015, 07:16:03 PM


i want to have what this guy had!

I'm pretty sure you can buy it with btc.



3535. Post 13218248 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


$457 on Huobi.

The number of f@#% given to what the west is doing is approaching a fraction of zero.



3536. Post 13218722 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: DrShell on December 11, 2015, 07:40:05 PM
Long time reader, first time speaker Smiley
Hi and greetings from Austria

Welcome

A lot of people here likes your school



3537. Post 13218895 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: macsga on December 11, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
WTF?! Where are teh trains?  Huh Roll Eyes Grin

Trains are sooo passé

Say hello to my little friend




3538. Post 13219287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 11, 2015, 08:57:26 PM

Let us Bathe in The Glory of its Magnificence.



Gotta make a gif with the 1950's nuke tests with those same jamokes...rotflmao!
-snip-

Bump... Grin Grin Grin

See you guys at 480$

mmmkey



3539. Post 13219291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


or maybe this...




3540. Post 13220186 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Frost on December 11, 2015, 11:39:29 PM
I don't get what drives the price.

I don't get why we're below $4K.

People are stupid, I guess.



3541. Post 13220313 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Halaman on December 12, 2015, 12:26:52 AM
I don't get what drives the price.

I don't get why we're below $4K.

People are stupid, I guess.

Because every time we have $10 -$20 rise, lot of folks think its a good time to take profit before we are back at double digits and while at it maybe its wise to open a short also to put cherry on the cake. JUST IN CASE!

Thats why

Sure, but day trading isn't the only way to invest in an asset.

I maintain my "People are stupid" stance.



3542. Post 13220461 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


All these people all in fiat waiting for cheap coinz.


Bullish!




3543. Post 13220604 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Halaman on December 12, 2015, 12:46:14 AM
I don't get what drives the price.

I don't get why we're below $4K.

People are stupid, I guess.

Because every time we have $10 -$20 rise, lot of folks think its a good time to take profit before we are back at double digits and while at it maybe its wise to open a short also to put cherry on the cake. JUST IN CASE!

Thats why

Sure, but day trading isn't the only way to invest in an asset.

I maintain my "People are stupid" stance.

I thought that my replay was a confirmation that I agree with your "People are stupid" stance.


I'm people too

Quote from: dloghwak on December 12, 2015, 12:59:50 AM
Day trading isn't even investing at all.

I agree, but it's very late where I live and I couldn't think of another way to phrase myself.

Quote from: RoadStress on December 12, 2015, 12:46:15 AM
I don't get what drives the price.

I don't get why we're below $4K.

People are stupid, I guess.

Let's aim 7k$ so I can sell at 6k$!

That's what you think. I'll be selling at the 10K top, while you guyz are fomo-ing after my 4K ruse.



3544. Post 13220864 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: chesthing on December 12, 2015, 01:20:17 AM
Why torture yourself with following the market and trading if you're going to just use 2%? I only trade(d) to strike it rich and make significant increases in my btc, and I still hate it.

Maybe he just isn't a brilliant gifted guru like yourself. You come off like a pompous ass. 1st world problems, being glued to a computer screen, such torture. Some people actually work for a living.

You could say much the same about people who whine about being hung upside down and forced to listen to loud music for 72h.

Just hanging around, listening to music, whining. 1st world problems.

Having to constantly keep an eye on the charts can be exhausting.



3545. Post 13220873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Chalidore Phoenix on December 12, 2015, 01:32:17 AM
This rally is losing steam. Nobody wants to pay $450+. Everyone remembers what happened last time the price went this high this fast. When the bubble pops again, people are gonna get hurt.

Press F5



3546. Post 13220901 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 12, 2015, 01:35:25 AM
If humans are going to survive for another million years we're going to have to start thinking about things like geoengineering and terraforming. Have you people even considered that?! Undecided

Do a search on "The Fermi Paradox" and one on "The Great Filter".



3547. Post 13220934 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


I'm writing a reply for just about every post.

That's a sign.

G'nite y'@ll !!1!!!1!



3548. Post 13222484 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):



What the FUCK have you people been DOING!!??!?!?!!


THIS IS NOT OK!!!



3549. Post 13223760 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 12, 2015, 03:47:45 AM

Nice but...It would be better if was on the left! They should be looking at the explosion or in our case rocket launch!
Cheers Guys n Gals!  Grin

That just means you're watching it on a phone. On a PC it should be next to each other.



3550. Post 13223776 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 12, 2015, 03:56:31 AM

or maybe this...



better...but need the desert



Agreed

Maybe this fits your phone now:







3551. Post 13224160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: TERA on December 12, 2015, 07:38:39 AM
If bfx is legit, then I wouldn't be surprised to see longs suddenly burst to $100M+ during the next serious rally as more lenders pour in to add fuel, like they did in the beginning on that chart.

Jeebus! If it turns out that $100M+ is sustainable in a rally that's going to trick a lot of people into ill-chosen shorts.



Quote from: jofus on December 12, 2015, 06:45:18 AM


What the FUCK have you people been DOING!!??!?!?!!


THIS IS NOT OK!!!

Fight Club?

Ok then.

Carry on.



3552. Post 13227453 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


This is why I've given up on lambie



3553. Post 13228319 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: practicaldreamer on December 12, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
-snip-
BTW - my Dad was the only Heavyweight Champion of the World to receive the Noble Prize for Physics. Where does that put my argument, relative to yours ?

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 12, 2015, 05:15:54 PM
-sniip-
Your debating with someone who has been around the stock market since the 1970's...raised by a shrink and a mathematical genius! While I've heard it skips a generation...the Apple dosent fall far from the tree.

Quote from: Hyperjacked on November 08, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
-sniiip-
I was raised by a single mother whose husband left and refused paying child support! It was different being a street kid in NYC in the 1970's but you would not know anything about that and you know less about me!

To be fair, I'm not sure if he's confusing his own life with movies he's seen.



3554. Post 13228580 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 12, 2015, 07:51:39 PM
-snip-
BTW - my Dad was the only Heavyweight Champion of the World to receive the Noble Prize for Physics. Where does that put my argument, relative to yours ?

-sniip-
Your debating with someone who has been around the stock market since the 1970's...raised by a shrink and a mathematical genius! While I've heard it skips a generation...the Apple dosent fall far from the tree.

-sniiip-
I was raised by a single mother whose husband left and refused paying child support! It was different being a street kid in NYC in the 1970's but you would not know anything about that and you know less about me!

To be fair, I'm not sure if he's confusing his own life with movies he's seen.

Lol! So I was raised by a single mother and and my Dad left us for another woman...he may be a mathematics genius but pretty stupid from where I'm sitting! not sure if that's movie material or anything to brag about but you are in desperate need of material...

Disclaimer: one of those quotes was not mine...

The first quote was from whom I was addressing.

All I tried to say was that you seem to adapt your narrative quite a bit. I guess what's of interest to anyone trying to get a bearing on your credibility is if you walked past Wall Street on your way to school or if you worked in finance at Wall Street in the 1970s.



3555. Post 13229104 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: practicaldreamer on December 12, 2015, 08:12:36 PM
What I was driving at is that an appeal to authority is always hollow.

It might matter in this environment. All I'm saying is that, in any event, he doesn't seem to let the truth get in the way when he wants to affect the mood in here.

@Hyperjacked

Don't throw a hissy fit just because I arrest you on this stuff. You're not the only one talking your book here, but you do tend to polish your ego more than most.



3556. Post 13229243 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: bitebits on December 12, 2015, 09:15:20 PM
Isn't that growth in hash rate just both beautiful and impressive. I can't believe the hash rate was so low in Q4 of 2013 compared to today, while it seemed incredibly high at the time. The current hash rate is really below imagination, so much computing power!

https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

So it was 1000 PetaFLOPS back then. And that IS impressive:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2013/11/28/global-bitcoin-computing-power-now-256-times-faster-than-top-500-supercomputers-combined/

But now it's 7961281.54 PetaFLOPS.

http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/




3557. Post 13229255 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: TERA on December 12, 2015, 09:35:38 PM
I came on here today to see 10 different people posting 10 different charts with 10 different sets of weird indicators/lines all with an arrow shooting way up into the sky. I'll take that as indication that it's NOT Time to bet the farm just yet.

Things have changed since you were here. TA is out, lineage is in.



3558. Post 13229410 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 12, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
I came on here today to see 10 different people posting 10 different charts with 10 different sets of weird indicators/lines all with an arrow shooting way up into the sky. I'll take that as indication that it's NOT Time to bet the farm just yet.

Things have changed since you were here. TA is out, lineage is in.

No TA is in...

Can you explain your TA?

Nah..[t]he problem with flapping my gums is ppl take my TA and steal it like the mt gox Mark k days... that's why I keep it close to the vest...



3559. Post 13229432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Chalidore Phoenix on December 12, 2015, 10:00:09 PM
All this BS trash talk with a bunch of homeless retail investors is making me want to FAT finger this thing!!!


Do it.
Fat finger this thing to the fucking moon!

Yeah, Jack! I'm leveraged short. Hurt me, please hurt me.



3560. Post 13229571 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Globb0 on December 12, 2015, 09:47:47 PM
Isn't that growth in hash rate just both beautiful and impressive. I can't believe the hash rate was so low in Q4 of 2013 compared to today, while it seemed incredibly high at the time. The current hash rate is really below imagination, so much computing power!

https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

So it was 1000 PetaFLOPS back then. And that IS impressive:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2013/11/28/global-bitcoin-computing-power-now-256-times-faster-than-top-500-supercomputers-combined/

But now it's 7961281.54 PetaFLOPS.

http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/



That is cool, if only we could have used the power for good

Strictly speaking it's not PetaFLOPS, because sha256 asics can't do FLOPS calculations; it's a rough conversion. Bitcoin miners are useless for anything else than sha256 calculations. If you want someone to make an equivalent distributed super computer to do useful stuff all you have to do is find a way to pay them $1,548,000 a day.



3561. Post 13229598 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 12, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
All this BS trash talk with a bunch of homeless retail investors is making me want to FAT finger this thing!!!


Do it.
Fat finger this thing to the fucking moon!

Yeah, Jack! I'm leveraged short. Hurt me, please hurt me.

The ironic thing is that you never bring any analysis to the thread...it's just grubbing and A$$ kissing

What do "You" think of the TA? Please...say something already!

People are bashing me...but everyone read my analysis and they are probably sick of it!

Please say something smart...I'm begging like a homeless investor


Keep begging, Jack. I ain't helping you out this time.




3562. Post 13229745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 12, 2015, 10:27:44 PM
Keep begging, Jack. I ain't helping you out this time.

Rotflmao! You have never put up a good argument...ever!

From the start you called me out cause I help out homeless people with food and a cup of coffee...

The truth is you are the one begging for advice and the truth hurts!

See you much higher Fatman


Relax, Jack. Get that log on and down a couple of drinks.

And be careful with that fat finger.





3563. Post 13229969 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 12, 2015, 11:04:09 PM
i think selling now is good.

470 is not easy to beat

I'm not seeing it Adam...
You don't get it; The market always goes against Adam's predictions. Tongue

TAI, that's what's kept me afloat.



3564. Post 13230119 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 12, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
When the network gets near hitting capacity of ~220,000 tx per day, the rally gets its head lopped off... coincidence?

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions

Any future rally will be meaningfully constrained by this "safety feature".  

... soon time to start high-grading for valuable TX anyway. It's an industrial level tech., can't always remain a sandpit for toy projects. Which makes you misguided about rallies being "constrained" ... but hey, who am I to stop people losing money?

Miners should decide which transactions are valuable enough to process, not a central planning committee. Especially not a committee which is dominated by a for profit company which was explicitly formed to offer a "solution" to the "problem".

c'mon, enough with the conspiracy FUD smearing, stirring up, slinging and smearing.

The miners do indeed decide but they are for now more than happy to delegate that responsibility, wholly, and huge development costs to the development community (no committees involved for those not paying attention). Feel free to submit better ideas to the bitcoin development github

Issues: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
Pull requests: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls

I suggest you read up on "conflict of interest". It's not about conspiracy. It's an objective fact.



3565. Post 13230223 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 12, 2015, 11:31:03 PM

I suggest you read up on "conflict of interest". It's not about conspiracy. It's an objective fact.

I would suggest you keep your inane suggestions to yourself, but I'm too polite for that.

Did you sell your account to brg444 or is he giving you lessons?



3566. Post 13230326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: 600watt on December 12, 2015, 11:32:11 PM
big hug for posting gl - a true master.  Smiley

My favorite




3567. Post 13234035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):



Whenever I see Tux outside of this forum I'm thinking of Adam drinking and spamming this thread with weird pics.



3568. Post 13234798 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 13, 2015, 01:03:59 PM
Let's see if bulls can do better next time. I made a little money on the failed attempt at $445 so now You will have to buy even more, but you might do it. Just don't pump to over $3,000 or I'll get a margin call. HAHAHAHA.

Scale or die.

Weren't you screaming the same when the price hit ~260$ two months ago in October and sold like 50 coins and counting? Some people will never learn I guess.

edit: found it

Thanks for finding that BjA post.  he's got a lot of real retarded posts, even though once in a while he will say something that makes sense.

That should be really retarded posts, unless you are suggesting other posts are fake retarded.

It's more of a colloquialism than dead wrong.



3569. Post 13235094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Professorino CATO on December 13, 2015, 01:33:10 PM
@Fatman: Not a colloquialism, it's an intensifier.

Ok, thanks

Edit: although:
Quote
Adverb[edit]
real ‎(not comparable)

(US, colloquial) Really, very.



3570. Post 13238446 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: yefi on December 13, 2015, 08:36:18 PM
I made a petition thread once to have NLC's permaban lifted. It got nuked. I don't care what any of you say (or what I may say in the future), the troll as you call him might be one of the sharpest tools in this shed.

Edit: he's still kind of a tool, tho.

He's more like a pneumatic drill than a scythe, to be honest.

I'm thinking more old school




3571. Post 13238579 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 13, 2015, 08:46:35 PM
I made a petition thread once to have NLC's permaban lifted. It got nuked. I don't care what any of you say (or what I may say in the future), the troll as you call him might be one of the sharpest tools in this shed.

Edit: he's still kind of a tool, tho.

He's more like a pneumatic drill than a scythe, to be honest.

I'm thinking more old school



well...that speaks volumes about your personality!

I'm sure it does. 'Cause you're so good at reading people.

How many months did you argue with lambie before you understood that you were being trolled?



3572. Post 13238950 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 13, 2015, 09:12:37 PM
Fatman...I had your number a long time ago! Look below...Fatmans soup kitchen is "you" the begging retail investor looking for tips on BCT about the BTC direction! Why should A professional investment manager give out tips when it takes time and dedication for that knowledge?

Man, you wouldn't have a clue if it sat on your face and shat on you chest.

You could just fuck off altogether for all I care.

Take your tips with you.

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 13, 2015, 09:12:37 PM
Wake up fool...Things aren't always what they appear and of course the trolls also get trolled!

Nope, that's not how it works. You're being trolled and you still don't get it. It's really annoying to watch.



3573. Post 13239105 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 13, 2015, 09:59:48 PM
Cheesy

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
Ev'rywhere you go;
Take a look in the five-and-ten, glistening once again
With candy canes and silver lanes aglow.



3574. Post 13239204 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 13, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
the blocks are full and the train is moving slowly

Stop with you FUD spreading! Don't you see?

It doesn't matter. 'Cause there's never gonna be more users for Bitcoin.

Yours and mine are going to rise and rise to infinity through the magic of the internet.




3575. Post 13239267 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 13, 2015, 10:18:20 PM
The slaying of bearwhale Cheesy leaving the bearwhale pattern™ in charts

https://youtu.be/X0hpNAUTK3c?t=5m50s

Bloody Youtube just made me watch 5 seconds of a Mormon Christmas video Cry

What's that like?

Is Santa the bad guy?



3576. Post 13239362 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 13, 2015, 10:30:53 PM
Same troll keeps coming back...


Nah, that's genuine n00bs beggin for pro tips.

You should straighten them out.




3577. Post 13239405 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 13, 2015, 10:38:38 PM
Same troll keeps coming back...


Nah, that's genuine n00bs beggin for pro tips.

You should straighten them out.



Well dude...your on ignore again! Bye forever

Edit :also mayor...bye trolls

Toodles!



3578. Post 13239584 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 13, 2015, 11:04:29 PM
Adam, do that thing where you tell everyone to sell again. Tongue

Genuinely, LOL!



3579. Post 13239637 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 13, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
Adam, do that thing where you tell everyone to sell again. Tongue

Maybe if was the real Adam...but his account was sold long ago...

Of course that fat dude hangs on his every word...

I like Adam. He's cool.... in a nerdy kind of way.



3580. Post 13239716 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 13, 2015, 11:23:05 PM
Adam, do that thing where you tell everyone to sell again. Tongue

Maybe if was the real Adam...but his account was sold long ago...

Of course that fat dude hangs on his every word...

I like Adam. He's cool.... in a nerdy kind of way.

It's called geek chic where he's from. Very trendy.

I read greek chick at first. All sorts of images went through my mind.



3581. Post 13239757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):


Won't be long now.



3582. Post 13239848 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 13, 2015, 11:39:25 PM
Adam, do that thing where you tell everyone to sell again. Tongue

Maybe if was the real Adam...but his account was sold long ago...

Of course that fat dude hangs on his every word...

I like Adam. He's cool.... in a nerdy kind of way.

It's called geek chic where he's from. Very trendy.

I read greek chick at first. All sorts of images went through my mind.

I hope those images looked something like this. If they did, you're welcome.


A greek chick named Adam?

More like this:

or this:



3583. Post 13239885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: TheWorldOfCunt on December 13, 2015, 11:54:23 PM
Guys, is the price supposed to fall this fast on absolutely no volume?
How is this possible Huh

Yes it is, relax.



3584. Post 13239944 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: TheWorldOfCunt on December 14, 2015, 12:01:13 AM
Guys, is the price supposed to fall this fast on absolutely no volume?
How is this possible Huh

Yes it is, relax.

Totally normal. Smiley

Oh good, because it just fell another buck. On no volume Sad
I figure I'm not gonna sell until it hits, like, 350. How soon do you guys think that'll be?


Minutes at the least.

Maybe several.



3585. Post 13240065 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):



ech... cheer up with some humour from Canadia:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfvLL2MZ-M



3586. Post 13243386 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 14, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
finex touching 350 but other exhcnages got doze walls

It's even better. $450.

Edit: Takes a while to adjust to the bull market.



3587. Post 13244756 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: becoin on December 14, 2015, 01:16:21 PM
wasn't the drive to $1000 created by the willybot so that when it all came unstuck the price simply went down to around where it might have otherwise have been.
No, the drive to $1000 was created by greed and increased adoption. The willybot has nothing to do with it. It all came unstuck when the US government confiscated MtGox's bitcoins and later sold them out to crash the market.

And every time China "banned" Bitcoin it smacked down the price. Mt. Gox was a hard blow to the infrastructure, but the chinese governments suppression of Bitcoin was what put an end to the Rally.

This was the start of the end:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-12-05/china-s-pboc-bans-financial-companies-from-bitcoin-transactions

And then there were article after article of this and that chinese exchange being told by their banks that they've gotten an unfriendly phone call from someone in the government. For quite some time you had to fill up your exchange account on coupons.

Hard to get big investors interested with all that going on.

Edit: here's coindesks price index from that period:



Notice how it peaks on the 4th, one day before the PBOC announcement.



3588. Post 13245088 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 14, 2015, 02:05:23 PM
So anybody knows wtf is happening at Coinbase  Huh

Looks like someone is trying to paint a handle on the cup.



3589. Post 13245175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: celebreze32 on December 14, 2015, 02:16:46 PM
So anybody knows wtf is happening at Coinbase  Huh

I also would like to hear people's wisdom on this.

I don't know why, but its had its highest volume for a long time over the last day. It's strange because the price hasn't gone up or down too dramatically. If I didn't know better I would think someone's trying to artificially inflate its volume with wash trading, but it's a regulated exchange so that's impossible, right?

Or hide volume on coinbase since nobody's really watching them. Could just be that it's the best place for americans to get coins.

I'm just thinking out loud here.



3590. Post 13246487 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: fisheater22 on December 14, 2015, 04:13:38 PM
Recently Coinbase has been engaging in various promotionals to lower fees and increase their volume, so it should be no secret NOR conspiracy that their volume would likely increase, in part, because of their promotional efforts.

Kids say the darnedest things.



^ https://cryptowat.ch/coinbase/btcusd/4h

Thx, didn't know cryptowat.ch showed volume for coinbase. Bitcoinwisdom don't.



3591. Post 13246538 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Richy_T on December 14, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
Quote
applications of blockchain, including bitcoin.


Keep pushing that narrative, bankster guys.  Roll Eyes

Aren't bankster guys quite fond of white powder?

I would think there's a lot of "Bitcoin Experts" in that system.



3592. Post 13246559 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: pinger on December 14, 2015, 04:38:36 PM
Recently Coinbase has been engaging in various promotionals to lower fees and increase their volume, so it should be no secret NOR conspiracy that their volume would likely increase, in part, because of their promotional efforts.

Kids say the darnedest things.



^ https://cryptowat.ch/coinbase/btcusd/4h

Thx, didn't know cryptowat.ch showed volume for coinbase. Bitcoinwisdom don't.

I preffer this one https://tradeblock.com/markets/krkn/xbt-eur/1w/

Thx,

I use it to check blocks, but it seems to fire up the fan on my laptop.



3593. Post 13246765 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: fisheater22 on December 14, 2015, 04:44:13 PM
I have Assburgers!

OMG, what's going on with your shitcoin?! Shocked

Any news?
This 20% price decreasing/day is brutal.

Cheesy

Lol, I hadn't noticed he headed the thing!

Cheating tofu-eating-hippies out of their money. Pure evil.



3594. Post 13246961 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on December 14, 2015, 05:15:25 PM
... tofu-eating-hippies...

Hippies eat tofu?

I thought most of us hippies preferred well-marbled steaks.

Toadfood... yuck.

I'm thinking of the "Whale Wars" type. They've got scurvy before they enlist.



3595. Post 13247096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 14, 2015, 05:31:15 PM
I have Assburgers!

OMG, what's going on with your shitcoin?! Shocked

Any news?
This 20% price decreasing/day is brutal.

Cheesy

Lol, I hadn't noticed he headed the thing!

Cheating tofu-eating-hippies out of their money. Pure evil.
Roll Eyes I was not the creator of the crypto, I help the community organize bounties and community efforts to give use to the crypto. Before I began the help of organizing the community, it was rather dull. Again, no one is forcing you to hodl, or buy. Kindly park the FUD at the door. Wink Otherwise, feel free to stake, and use Sprouts to buy Sampey's trading bot, or feel free to use them at the DICE site. In fact, feel free to grab some from the multiple faucets that pay out daily. When PayServices has the official launch, you will be able to convert Sprouts into 50+ cryptos, 100+ National Fiats, and 20+ community currencies.

No FUD, this will not affect BTC. You are a colourful character, that's for sure.



3596. Post 13248076 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Chalidore Phoenix on December 14, 2015, 07:29:50 PM
Walls at 450 on almost all the exchanges. I know I said I would never short again, but under these conditions, it seems logical to do so.



3597. Post 13248531 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Chalidore Phoenix on December 14, 2015, 08:16:30 PM
If someone spent millions of dollars putting up walls on 3 exchanges, that is a very expensive trap to set. Those walls are real. Price jumped last night, and people want to take profit.

Or the whales could intend to buy their own coins to get the price up and get the fomo rolling.

They have lots of coins to dump at an even greater profit.
I opened a short at 446, and I am glad I did.
Closed the short at 443. If it dips lower, I will start leveraging long again.
Don't you guys wish you were as cool as me?

nerves of steel

respect



3598. Post 13249801 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Chalidore Phoenix on December 14, 2015, 10:27:47 PM
Started getting back in at 442. I'm bullish now. I am thinking there is a good chance we can tear down this wall before the next correction.
I took a picture, for those that think I am lying, but I am not seeing any option on this forum for uploading pictures. I assume I am I not able to do that with a newbie account.

Just post the link, and those who dare will watch it. You can't upload images anyway, you'll have to use imgur or similar.



3599. Post 13249876 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: fisheater22 on December 14, 2015, 10:54:49 PM
[4] Don't argue with JayJuanGee. I think he has Assburgers.

He does seem testy, now that he's about to break even.

I wouldn't want to be caught in a dark alley with him now that he's high on his winnings.



3600. Post 13250454 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 15, 2015, 12:11:01 AM

Bye ignored...like the rest of your troll patrol! Smiley
Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 15, 2015, 12:22:11 AM
RIP this thread...



3601. Post 13250509 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on December 15, 2015, 12:25:41 AM
go short now, please.

Yeah this ^^

Please all bears get your leveraged shorts on right now, go all in, everything you've got.

I only short when we are above the BB for an extended time or my other indicators call for it...never without multiple indicators!  We are going to 1000$ again...shorting is insane unless your crazy!


You're also crazy if you take financial advice from a mathematical savant/Wall Street veteran who hasn't learned basic grammar.


Bye ignored...like the rest of your troll patrol! Smiley

Do I win too?

another ignore....impressive



Jack is real hyper mad today




3602. Post 13253491 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.37h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 15, 2015, 03:23:24 AM

Somebody who lost 30 grand would not be asking this forum what to do.  

Yep... hahahahahaha      Cheesy Wink

seems kinda  1)   troll-ish, 2) made up or 3) retarded  

Or 4) a kid who thinks being a trader is cool.  Smiley

That would fall under the category of "retarded."    Wink Wink

Call me a liar all you want, it doesn't change the fact that I have been in this game since 2011. I mined over 3000 bitcoins with the array in this video. I am the owner of the ROBOT-ARMY, which was in the top 10 mining arrays on deepbit. I was running 14GH in 2011.
Why does it surprise you that someone that lost 30k on a bogus exchange would be here. In bitcoin world, 30k is peanuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mR_V90AgL4

Nobody here is calling you liar.

Its just your attitude that is very competitive and arrogant that doesn't seem to fit others. Including me.

How much nicer can I put it?

... when you've been through the crap and had the FUD thrown at you we have bringing bitcoin into the world you'd have some attitude too ... 14GH in 2011 is pretty respectable, i knew i liked this guy.

bitcoin ain't for wimps, never has been.

Agree with Marcus here. 14GH in 2011 is impressive. Very impressive. Kudos.



3603. Post 13253675 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: spud21 on December 15, 2015, 04:58:35 AM


ripples exchange is going DOWN. u got literaly one month get ur stuff out of ripple exchange or "you wont be able to access it."... sounds like a money grab to me.

Thanks for the warning. That explains why it's crashed almost 50% in the last 8 hours. First they wanted KYC ID, and now they're abandoning the whole rippletrade platform. It brings home how crappy a centralized platform is when one entity can shut it down in a month, or faster if they want.

The funny thing is, when "fintech experts" are talking about "The Blockchain" they think they're mostly talking about ripple-like solutions. I wonder if they will wise up or learn on the way down. Western Union has a project with Ripple Labs, while VISA has been working with the Bitcoin Blockchain. i guess WU doesn't like existence very much.



3604. Post 13254216 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 15, 2015, 09:26:18 AM
Maybe, but CP was still a goofball poster -snip-

lol

John 8:7



3605. Post 13255345 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Sitarow on December 15, 2015, 01:12:42 PM

nicy nice



Those transactions may be the result of tests from other projects (side chain) type.

Are we expecting less of these projects?

If not...



3606. Post 13255562 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Sitarow on December 15, 2015, 01:37:58 PM

nicy nice



Those transactions may be the result of tests from other projects (side chain) type.

Are we expecting less of these projects?

If not...

No and it is welcomed Cheesy

Agreed!

CCMF!!!



3607. Post 13255590 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 15, 2015, 01:47:28 PM
Order book on BFX has changed massively. Only 4K coins down to $425. Over 12K coins to $500.

You got to be brave as hell to take that on. I figure ~half asks are fake and half bids are hidden, so sideways creeping up is the likely path.  Half a million in longs closed last night, replace with unleveraged longs, which indicates less volatility.




WELCOME BACK BJA!!!

HOP ON THE CHOO CHOO!!!!



3608. Post 13258291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 15, 2015, 04:44:01 PM
my friend has been diagnosed with a bad disease.

off topic: go be healthier, all of you.

Sorry to hear



3609. Post 13258736 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: ABitTwentySeventy on December 15, 2015, 06:52:13 PM
If FOMO hasn't begun to kick in yet, just wait until we tip past 504 and the volume begins to surge..

FOMO has come and gone. Now it's

-snip-

@Elwar re. 'I don't mind transacting with third parties as long as I can hold a deflationary currency': What are you doing with Bitcoin?! 10+% monetary base inflation, 25BTC printed out of thin air every

I really don't understand how you can't get bored with this.

You're not going to convince Elwar. You're not going to make him look any worse.

You're not really annoying anymore.

Relax. Enjoy the bull run.

Plug in some Rayethons, some Sylvanias and some GEs and let the good times roll.

Your days of barfing out your insecurities on this forum are soon over.



3610. Post 13258918 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: ABitTwentySeventy on December 15, 2015, 07:15:58 PM
>I really don't understand how you can't get bored with this.
I do. But duty as an educator; noblesse oblige and shit...

Educate Elwar?

Good Luck



3611. Post 13259156 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: ABitTwentySeventy on December 15, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
>I really don't understand how you can't get bored with this.
I do. But duty as an educator; noblesse oblige and shit...

Educate Elwar?

Good Luck

But the [apparent] futility [and thanklessness] of the task is a reward in itself!
hmmmm...
Quote
Think Sisyphus.
stupid
Quote
Think A Hunger Artist.
stupid
Quote
Think late-1800s dandy reading flowery romantic poesy to a drunk in the gutter Smiley
stupid

Quote
*And, of course, meaning through repetition. Sisyphus again. And that king who hated Krishna.
stupid

Ok, I'm thinking "stupid" now. Now what?

Quote
[size= 1pt]then there's the occasional lel, too.
meh...



3612. Post 13259272 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: ABitTwentySeventy on December 15, 2015, 07:53:22 PM
[...] meh...
I continue to overestimate people Sad
~hands Fatman a bottle of MD20/20~

thx



3613. Post 13259435 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: aztecminer on December 15, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
Last time this level was reached the drop was spectacular, this time it seems more sustainable. Or is it calm before the storm?


this is the calm of the first 1000. when the first 1000 appears, it is not long after that the next 1000 appears. it is not long after the next 1000 appears that the first 5000 happens. the Satoshi Nakamoto storm begins soon after the calm has passed .

et tu?

CCMF!!!



3614. Post 13259671 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on December 15, 2015, 08:33:19 PM
Still, it's full of geniuses lamenting the scarcity of the blockspace and the consequent fees, ignoring that economics is all about scarcities.
And since that's way too much ignoring, they must be trolls for hire.

Sure, someone disagrees with you. It must be a conspiracy.

Now, if you tried really hard you could possibly imagine that some people might genuinely be of the opinion that taking away one of Bitcoins main selling points this early on might be a bad idea.

I know. Mindblowing.




3615. Post 13260878 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: ABitTwentySeventy on December 15, 2015, 10:26:16 PM
Guberment Jooz never brainwashed me in their commie Jew schools. I escaped! To huff Sweet Leaded Gasoline of Freedom!
Now I uses pottymouth words like 'cunt' and 'bitch' because I'm very edgy.'

You know it. Some serious daddy issues, too...
Still, no reason to be upset, trailer trash Smiley

He's just angry because of that shitcoin of his, Sprouts...


I guess that's the jews too...

Has this place always been Stormfront lite?



3616. Post 13261010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: rebuilder on December 15, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
Has this place always been Stormfront lite?

Put it this way, back in 2011 I bought coffee from someone here who, I later noticed, professed to be a vehemently anti-racist white separatist. I didn't even know there *were* white separatists before that. Also had to look up the word 'miscegenation', my grade school latin didn't include that word.

So they recognize that the slaughtering of millions of jews, roma, homosexuals and slavs might require some re-branding?

I'm not entirely sure that's an improvement.

Ugh, can't wait 'till this thing goes mainstream. I hate having to agree with the sociopathic troll all the time.




3617. Post 13261094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 15, 2015, 11:40:02 PM
Why bother discussing anything with this shill with hundreds of newbie accounts ? It like beating your head against the wall...


I'm pretty sure that's a desk. Maybe the jews tricked you.



3618. Post 13261198 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 15, 2015, 11:51:59 PM
Why bother discussing anything with this shill with hundreds of newbie accounts ? It like beating your head against the wall...


I'm pretty sure that's a desk. Maybe the jews tricked you.


Good point, well made.

I'm weak.



3619. Post 13261331 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Tzupy on December 16, 2015, 12:10:02 AM

Closing prices vs. candle peaks has been interesting to watch lately, across more than one time scale (6h, daily, weekly).

12 hr has been my favorite timescale as of late, rather bullish looking these last few months... Yet still long enough that fluctuations are at least a little dampened.

If we can assume that the market has turned and we are now in a majority bullish market,  what would it take to revert to a bear market at this point?

Thanks,  

The PBoC to stop fiat flux to the exchanges.

Yeez, I'm tired!!

I nearly had a heart attack!!!

I had to check with Google.



3620. Post 13261339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: TERA on December 16, 2015, 12:12:11 AM

Closing prices vs. candle peaks has been interesting to watch lately, across more than one time scale (6h, daily, weekly).

12 hr has been my favorite timescale as of late, rather bullish looking these last few months... Yet still long enough that fluctuations are at least a little dampened.

If we can assume that the market has turned and we are now in a majority bullish market,  what would it take to revert to a bear market at this point?

Thanks,  

The PBoC to stop fiat flux to the exchanges.

This already happened 2 years ago.

42th time's the charm.



3621. Post 13261358 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Rabo on December 16, 2015, 12:17:53 AM
We all know how this is going to end right? Lips sealed

Sure

Quote from: Rabo on February 01, 2015, 08:17:28 AM
I GOT REKT BIG TIME XD



3622. Post 13267293 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


I'm sure we'll see some movement someone will blame on the fed decision, but I don't think Bitcoin cares at this point.

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on December 16, 2015, 03:07:32 PM
I must be honest and say I quite like some of BJA's posts. Brings up some valid points

Agreed. I even enjoy reading his less valid points.



3623. Post 13268291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 16, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
The network is already a tiny bit slower with the difficulty hike.  
? really?
scaling problem

you do understand that eventually miners are going to need money from people transacting, not just block rewards right? next year they become twice as dependent on this... it's an element of bitcoin. and it's not fatal. how else do you keep a blockchain healthy?


Everyone knows the halving is coming. There is no point in subsidizing miners who can't do some simple math. By the time fees are paying for network security we'll need more users making payments and paying fees. Radically higher fees before that point carries a lot of risk.



3624. Post 13269481 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 16, 2015, 07:17:17 PM
so now that dollars are more attractive people sell them for bitcoins immediately?

The dollar isn't going to increase five fold in value because of a 0.25% rate hike.



3625. Post 13269508 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 16, 2015, 07:23:21 PM
so now that dollars are more attractive people sell them for bitcoins immediately?

The dollar isn't going to increase five fold in value because of a 0.25% rate hike.
BTCitcoin will. Wink

Yup, yup!



3626. Post 13271208 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: jbreher on December 16, 2015, 10:52:42 PM
836 coin market dump in one shot

fat finger?

Probably someone wanted to buy a house.

Or a boat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQPjKSVe1tQ 

BTW, this should be the WO-thread tune.



3627. Post 13271506 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 16, 2015, 11:29:39 PM

That was a short stint.

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3x45f7/i_have_removed_btcdrak_as_mod_we_owe_you_guys_a/

What happened?

Quote from: peonminer on December 16, 2015, 11:42:44 PM
From '10,000BTC = 2 pizzas delivered'
To '$10,000 = 2 pizzas delivered'

We are in transition now. (;


Those sound expensive.

I know a place where you'll get a good one for NOK 140,-.



3628. Post 13271724 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 17, 2015, 12:05:14 AM


Forums dramaticus. BTCDrak trolled somebody and got shit-canned as mod (second link). He trolled Gavin 5 months ago and got ripped a new one (first link).

I hate reddit.
 
It never ends. And half the discussion in any thread is about to what extent you should behave yourself.



3629. Post 13274194 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: hendra147 on December 17, 2015, 05:13:17 AM
bitcoin devs releasing their own alt ! short !  Cheesy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.0

bitcoin devs Huh gavin andreas ? satoshi nakamoto ? theymos ?
i read at other article too https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-developers-are-creating-a-new-digital-currency-called-decred/

but im still confusion

I read that thing earlier, but I didn't see anything about anyone with push access.

I don't really understand what they're going for, but it kinda looks like they took the BitcoinXT debacle literally and created a Bitcoin compatible Bitcoin alt.



3630. Post 13274391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: niktitan132 on December 17, 2015, 08:28:03 AM


Such a stupid dog. I hate dogs.

We should send all the dogs to North Korea.

Solve one problem with another.



3631. Post 13274556 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on December 17, 2015, 08:59:17 AM
leave the dogs alone !

Not gonna happen. The World needs to learn!



3632. Post 13275243 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: niktitan132 on December 17, 2015, 10:32:28 AM

We should send all the dogs to North Korea.

Solve one problem with another.

Can we get a discount on the shipping rate if we send in bulk? I got about 50 dogs in my area we could ship on down. Pesky shits shit all over the yards and feilds and have me bringing in shit on my shoes everyday. My wifes gonna beat me in if i bring in any more shits from my shoes.

Just buy some bitcoins and move out of that shithole when we've reached the moon.



3633. Post 13275878 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: niktitan132 on December 17, 2015, 11:08:36 AM
Just buy some bitcoins and move out of that shithole when we've reached the moon.
Now that's a whole other can of worms mate. Cant move.

I have a bunch of suggestions, but I'm pretty sure they're all illegal.



3634. Post 13276191 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: toy4lov3rs on December 17, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
Just buy some bitcoins and move out of that shithole when we've reached the moon.
Now that's a whole other can of worms mate. Cant move.

I have a bunch of suggestions, but I'm pretty sure they're all illegal.

Should we take this conversation to Tor and start a dog shipping to north Korea revolution?

hmmmmm....

hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMHMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm.....

nah, too much work.



3635. Post 13276463 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on December 17, 2015, 01:07:30 PM
Just buy some bitcoins and move out of that shithole when we've reached the moon.
Now that's a whole other can of worms mate. Cant move.

I have a bunch of suggestions, but I'm pretty sure they're all illegal.

Should we take this conversation to Tor and start a dog shipping to north Korea revolution?

Why waste them sending them to Korea?

Dogs are great with a little kimchi over a bed of rice. Bbq dog knot is a delicacy.

Let the North Koreans eat some dick. I don't think that's much to ask for.

Quote from: Tzupy on December 17, 2015, 01:14:12 PM
IBM, Linux foundation and big banks launch Open Ledger Project:
http://www.coindesk.com/ibm-launches-open-source-blockchain-project-backed-by-linux-and-big-banks/
I wonder if the Chinese care about this, if they do they should dump hard.

Isn't it still a closed centralized system?



3636. Post 13276523 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: WhalingWhales on December 17, 2015, 01:20:13 PM
Just buy some bitcoins and move out of that shithole when we've reached the moon.
Now that's a whole other can of worms mate. Cant move.

I have a bunch of suggestions, but I'm pretty sure they're all illegal.

Should we take this conversation to Tor and start a dog shipping to north Korea revolution?

Why waste them sending them to Korea?

Dogs are great with a little kimchi over a bed of rice. Bbq dog knot is a delicacy.

Let the North Koreans eat some dick. I don't think that's much to ask for.

IBM, Linux foundation and big banks launch Open Ledger Project:
http://www.coindesk.com/ibm-launches-open-source-blockchain-project-backed-by-linux-and-big-banks/
I wonder if the Chinese care about this, if they do they should dump hard.

Isn't it still a closed centralized system?

It will be and it wont be able to transfer wealth on the scale that bitcoin will be doing. It may work in between a few companies  but not for sending money around the world like we do with bitcoin today.


That seems to be the issue with all of these closed systems. Not to mention, I wouldn't want to have my IoT devices depend on the interests or profitability of a company like IBM, Intel or JP Morgan.



3637. Post 13276831 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: rebuilder on December 17, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
IBM, Linux foundation and big banks launch Open Ledger Project:
http://www.coindesk.com/ibm-launches-open-source-blockchain-project-backed-by-linux-and-big-banks/
I wonder if the Chinese care about this, if they do they should dump hard.

Isn't it still a closed centralized system?

Is it just me, or is the idea of a proprietary blockchain silly? If validation is done by only a few, or just one, party, why not just have a database?

I'm guessing they want all the good stuff without all the bad stuff.

But the thing is you can have all the good stuff without all the bad stuff on the Bitcoin blockchain. You don't have to buy drugs or finance terrorism with your coins. If you buy coins from a regulated exchange and sell them at a regulated exchange, and don't screw up in between, you're good.

An american diplomat who was talking about US/EU relations was quoted quoting Lenin: "Trust is good, control is better".

Corporations are creatures of habit.



3638. Post 13276914 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


Lambie seems more retarded than usual. Are they working shifts?



3639. Post 13277269 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: rebuilder on December 17, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Lambie is actually on the ball here. Bitcoin's best use case is illicit transactions. It's a tool to reduce the power states have over their subjects. The overhead involved only makes sense if  you can't rely on a central power to keep people in line.

IOW, if you're fine with how the political process works in your jurisdiction, and see no need to curtail the economic powers of the state, I don't see what good Bitcoin is to you apart from speculating on the price. I doubt it's actually more efficient than VISA all things considered, for example.

It's good for all the things IBM, Intel, etc are trying to do with their closed ledger (especially if they add ethereum to the mix).

Besides, trades don't have to be illicit in order to reduce the power of the states.

Quote from: Yrpapers on December 17, 2015, 02:09:32 PM
... You don't have to buy drugs or finance terrorism with your coins. If you buy coins from a regulated exchange and sell them at a regulated exchange, and don't screw up in between, you're good. ...

Like saying "you don't have to counterfeit these hundred-dollar bills I drew with a box of crayons."
The point is, if [bad] people can transact outside of (vetted) exchanges, they will.
If there's no need to transact outside of (vetted) exchanges, there's no reason to burn so much electricity in Chinese chicken coops to keep a ridiculous POW scheme running.  

So what?

IBM and JP Morgan won't be held accountable for what other bad people do with Bitcoin, just like they won't be held accountable for when LMGTFY is snorting flour he bought with USD from a mirror.

But they will be held accountable for every little thing that happens on that closed ledger.



3640. Post 13277447 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Yrpapers on December 17, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
... You don't have to buy drugs or finance terrorism with your coins. If you buy coins from a regulated exchange and sell them at a regulated exchange, and don't screw up in between, you're good. ...

Like saying "you don't have to counterfeit these hundred-dollar bills I drew with a box of crayons."
The point is, if [bad] people can transact outside of (vetted) exchanges, they will.
If there's no need to transact outside of (vetted) exchanges, there's no reason to burn so much electricity in Chinese chicken coops to keep a ridiculous POW scheme running.  

So what?

IBM and JP Morgan won't be held accountable for what other bad people do with Bitcoin, just like they won't be held accountable for when LMGTFY is snorting flour he bought with USD from a mirror.

But they will be held accountable for every little thing that happens on that closed ledger.

No, IBM and JP Morgan won't be held accountable for what other bad people do with Bitcoin.
No, IBM and JP Morgan won't be held accountable for LGBT snorting bunk blow bought with USD.
The also won't be held accountable for every little thing that happens on their closed ledger, just like banks aren't held accountable for LGBT buying shit blow with USD.

What they *would* be held accountable for is the same shit IRL banks are held accountable for. KYC/AML, and all the rest.
Get it?

I get it. But I don't think you do.



3641. Post 13277810 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Yrpapers on December 17, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
^Typical. You don't want *anything at all* to interfere with your intrinsically inconsistent constructs ideology. Faced with shit you can't refute with logic, your knee-jerk coping mechanism is "Baww, mom and dad just don't understand my blockchain technology! It's like they don't even care how I feel Cry "

And then you wonder people call you cultists.


If you're having an off day, then have a day off.

Don't expect me to entertain you.

Edit: Elwar's here, you can bug him.



3642. Post 13284535 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


Well, that was fun?



3643. Post 13284614 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 18, 2015, 08:15:11 AM

Well, that was fun?

Did it actually happen?

It's a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in a riddle.

But a quick look at my stash calculated to USD: Yes.



3644. Post 13287879 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


BAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!





3645. Post 13287927 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

SCREW YOU ROACH, YOU JEW BASHING CUNT!!!!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!





3646. Post 13287962 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


BAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!! BAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!! BAAAAHH?

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






3647. Post 13288124 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: flagpara on December 18, 2015, 03:18:04 PM
[-snip-]And I don't spam [-snip-]

I DO!!!!

BAAAAAAHHHH!!! BAAAAAAAAAHHHH!! BAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!





3648. Post 13288594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: flagpara on December 18, 2015, 03:42:32 PM
[-snip-]And I don't spam [-snip-]

I DO!!!!

BAAAAAAHHHH!!! BAAAAAAAAAHHHH!! BAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!




Can I say I love your way of spaming? This Bull/train is wonderful! But any reason for this train obsession?

'CAUSE THE BULL TRAIN TO DA BLIMMIN MOON IS COMING!!!!!





3649. Post 13290404 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: spooderman on December 18, 2015, 07:59:27 PM
everybody ready for bitcoin's largest ever increase in difficulty?

One block left.



3650. Post 13290417 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: ssmc2 on December 18, 2015, 08:04:20 PM
everybody ready for bitcoin's largest ever increase in difficulty?

Sure, but what does it all mean, Basil?

That I make less money.



3651. Post 13290565 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


Hop on the choo choo!!!






3652. Post 13291358 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: jbreher on December 18, 2015, 09:22:37 PM
If Maxwell succeeds and forking Bitcoin from it's vision as a true P2P currency that anyone can use...

GMax has abdicated his bitcoin github commit access. This is a significant development. Stated reason 'personal'. Speculation on inferred subtext may include 'ragequit' - dunno. Net result: less support for 1MB4Eva within the core team.

BULLISH!

There's no question Greg's a smart guy, and one of Bitcoin's stronger intellects. His technical ability will be missed. However, he seemed ideologically blindered to smallblockianism. I think this is a net positive.

The way he handled the anti-BitcoinXT "Satoshi"-email made me trust him quite a lot less. He does seem to have invested more of his ego in this blocksize debate than he could afford to lose. So it might be for the best for all concerned that he withdraws a bit.

In any event, he is not irreplaceable. If he were, Bitcoin wouldn't be worth much.

Quote from: wachtwoord on December 18, 2015, 09:31:09 PM
I saw this earlier and hope/think Greg will reconsider and keep fighting the good fight against Gavin's minions.

This is not LOTR, nor Warcraft. Genuine people have genuine disagreements. There are no minions.... on Gavin's side.




3653. Post 13291390 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 18, 2015, 09:25:23 PM
We are all Satoshi. Grin
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115901/satoshi-nakamoto-writes-to-cointelegraph-about-the-nobel-prize

I guess we should buy ether then.



3654. Post 13291449 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: peonminer on December 18, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
The hoaxes will be indefinite. It's beginning to appear as the community helping keep the scent far from the real Satoshi(s); Mixed wit some random greed. This is good in the grand scheme of things. The cointelegraph article looks like a hoax to pump ETH.

The battle for $450+ is appearing that we could easily rocket to $680 once the forbearance is nullified. I think we will all be pleasantly surprised.

"I am agree with some analyst that if Bitcoin and Blockchain invention bring a Nobel Prize it will definitely be a good news for Bitcoin and digital currency"


It's not even a hoax, it's more like a joke.

Edit: "...the greedy aliens are disturbing me too much..."

Sort of looks like lambie.



3655. Post 13291478 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: jbreher on December 18, 2015, 09:54:00 PM

It's another bloody hoaxer who didn't sign his email or provide any other cryptographic proof he's Satoshi. Do we have to endure another "I am Satoshi" hoax every few weeks? Discussions about the last one haven't finished yet, and now we have another.

Not only is the letter stupid, but the article is stupid as well. Coin Telegraph really debased their reputation with this clickbait.

Which is quite an impressive feat.



3656. Post 13291576 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 18, 2015, 10:04:37 PM
buyers are strong and numerous. bitcoins is back! feels good


crap



3657. Post 13291779 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on December 18, 2015, 10:12:10 PM
I saw this earlier and hope/think Greg will reconsider and keep fighting the good fight against Gavin's minions.
This is not LOTR, nor Warcraft. Genuine people have genuine disagreements. There are no minions.... on Gavin's side.
There are. Only on Gavin's side. He's trying to increase the size of blocks which breaks Bitcoin. He's some sort of socialist, corrupted by the CIA or went crazy but what he's doing is fighting Bitcoin. There is no logical reason to choose for bigger blocks other a strive for centralization, control by the government and the loss of utility of Bitcoin itself (and in effect a loss off value). He's advocating changes which make my holdings worth less. That makes you my enemy.

“The treacherous are ever distrustful.”

“He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.”

“Go back to the abyss! Fall into nothingness that awaits you and your master!”

“It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt. We do not.”

“For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”



3658. Post 13292004 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: fisheater22 on December 18, 2015, 11:07:08 PM
To be fair to small-blockers, there's simply no elegant way to scale Bitcoin.
Some things just ain't meant to be Sad

Nothing wrong with Ugly Early.



3659. Post 13292235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: TERA on December 18, 2015, 11:37:39 PM
any trains coming?

YEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!




Disclaimer: Haven't got a clue



3660. Post 13292255 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 18, 2015, 11:40:36 PM
^What he said. Don't make me open up my Multibit!

Multibit, eh?

Hmmm....

You might wanna check it again in the morning.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!



3661. Post 13292352 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 18, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
^What he said. Don't make me open up my Multibit!

Multibit, eh?

Hmmm....

You might wanna check it again in the morning.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!



Just thinking about it is sort of like thinking back to when you've been kicked in the nuts.



3662. Post 13292862 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 19, 2015, 12:25:55 AM
Fatman, you mine. I wouldn't consider you a threat to decentralization. What size blocks do you figure would keep fees low and keep you running smoothly? If prices are higher, is there more competition for txn's? Or will small mines have a harder time solving blocks?

*sorry for all the n00b questions. I've just been informed I'm on the verge of hero status. I still know nothing. Undecided

Block size isn't a huge problem for regular miners. As CConvert2G36 points out, I only send my hashes and receive work from the pool. We're talking about tiny amounts of data. The pools can afford to pay for decent internet and/or a hosting service.

The "real" problem is the non-mining nodes who don't get paid to transmit transactions. But I think you and I pretty much agree here. There's enough decent internet in the world to keep the network running with far bigger block sizes. Storage is getting cheaper and cheaper. HW in general is getting cheaper and cheaper. If you live in an area with shitty internet you might want to avoid running a node. But those areas are getting fewer and farther between.

Some "anecdotal evidence" might suggest that people are running their nodes over wifi, which I would strongly recommend against if you want to use you internet for anything else.

In any event, when Bitcoin becomes more mainstream we will see regular computer nerds start firing up nodes. We're talking about a sizable group of individuals who'll spend as much as BJA spent on his "swampnode" on a keyboard.... with fancy buttons with programmable led's (Fingers crossed. Bring it to me Santa!!!).



3663. Post 13292931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 19, 2015, 01:17:33 AM
In any event, when Bitcoin becomes more mainstream we will see regular computer nerds start firing up nodes. We're talking about a sizable group of individuals who'll spend as much as BJA spent on his "swampnode" on a keyboard.... with fancy buttons with programmable led's (Fingers crossed. Bring it to me Santa!!!).

I'd love if that were true but we've reached a considerable percentage of the nerd market in the last few years and yet for the amount of nodes count as never been lower.

It is true. When you push a button the led's ripple through the keyboard. Or you can highlight buttons you frequently need to use... or need to avoid. I doubt it's as useful as I imagine it to be, but let's not let reality get in the way of a good nerdgasm.



3664. Post 13297033 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: hdbuck on December 19, 2015, 01:35:40 PM


Yes it is , hdbuck. Just walk through it and never look back.

Oh, and please don't violate Star Trek like that.



3665. Post 13297096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 19, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Isn't a public ledger grand Cheesy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94475.msg1059272#msg1059272

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlJkec-CQRM


Theymos?

Moral disengagement?

Never!!!



3666. Post 13297217 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


New lambie candidate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMM_HjKlrOI



3667. Post 13298446 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


I feel a disturbance in The Force!



3668. Post 13299515 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on December 19, 2015, 06:00:33 PM

THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT!!!!!
FLY BITCOIN!!!!!






WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!





WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!







3669. Post 13301541 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


I know some speculators reverted to fiat at the end of the year because of accounting/taxation uncertainties in previous years. If these uncertainties have been cleared up it might be less selling pressure towards the end of the month than I originally feared.
 
Or I could be talking out of my ass. Who knows?



3670. Post 13301595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 19, 2015, 11:37:58 PM
Who knows?



Hey! That's not my ass!



Is it?



3671. Post 13301611 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: TERA on December 19, 2015, 11:39:56 PM

I know some speculators reverted to fiat at the end of the year because of accounting/taxation uncertainties in previous years. If these uncertainties have been cleared up it might be less selling pressure towards the end of the month than I originally feared.
 
Or I could be talking out of my ass. Who knows?

I'm actually specifically waiting till 2016 before I do any fiat/btc exchanges, for tax purposes. I'd prefer not to do any trading at all, but if there's a move I might trade on margin.

I hope you're indicative of what's to come early next year. I'm half expecting fireworks.



3672. Post 13301837 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 20, 2015, 12:12:44 AM
Where's the Sinless One today?



I did a quick google search. It turns out that he's out camping.




3673. Post 13301909 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Buy more coins! on December 20, 2015, 12:36:23 AM

https://twitter.com/izakaminska/status/677910523162312705

Izabella Kaminska ‏@izakaminska Dec 18

"Chaos at North terminal Gatwick as fire alarm sets off in main duty free hall prompting evacuation."

Looks like she has was doing some Christmas traveling and got stuck in an airport due to a fire alarm.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/482353/Gatwick-Airport-north-terminal-evacuated-alarm-alert

Explains why she hasn't been posting. Looking more and more like The Doxing was a legit source.


As for TA, based on price action I expect to see 475 this morning.

She's twittering like a mofo though.



3674. Post 13301950 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 20, 2015, 12:43:30 AM
Nevermind. He has his very own thread now.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1294314.msg13301484#msg13301484

And nerds are like moth to a flame.



3675. Post 13303614 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: TERA on December 20, 2015, 05:29:34 AM


I needed to join in and draw a chart with lines, so here it is. That's all you get, two lines.



3676. Post 13304535 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


Chilling words from the merchant of evil: Tim Cook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQebmygKq7A



3677. Post 13304818 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on December 20, 2015, 10:13:27 AM

Chilling words from the merchant of evil: Tim Cook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQebmygKq7A

we're America we should have both privacy AND national security.

.... can't the government just do their damn jobs and stop blaming their messed up shit on the people wanting privacy and freedom?

If you give the intelligence and security sector power, they'll take it. They are remarkably narrow-minded.



3678. Post 13305322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: TERA on December 20, 2015, 11:29:30 AM
So I just made $500 playing holdem, again. Anyone have a better story?

Not lately. But I was hit by lightning once.



3679. Post 13305981 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: TERA on December 20, 2015, 12:35:47 PM
Looks like the influx of market buys stopped, so it's just in this really slow freefall. Bears will get behind every $1 of this drop to 'confirm' downtrend after downtrend until one day there is just this violent correction all the way back to the upside. Very risky game.

It would be quite natural to have a slow trickle down into the new year.

And it would paint a pretty convincing cup and handle, with the cup being from nov.4 to mid december.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.



3680. Post 13307934 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


choo choo?

where's choo choo?



3681. Post 13308338 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 20, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
The dev mailing list and the chart right now, like cookies and milk.

Any change that is "controversial" can not happen, so... (the totally uncontroversial) 1MB4EVA it is!

What was Gavin thinking when he gave these ninnies commit?

YEEEFRREEEBOUUUUUSSS!!!



3682. Post 13309689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 20, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Well, I never really wanted to buy coffee with bitcoins anyway. I don't even drink coffee.

Is this relevant?

Pepsi or Coca Cola?



3683. Post 13310155 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 20, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
Well, I never really wanted to buy coffee with bitcoins anyway. I don't even drink coffee.

Is this relevant?

Pepsi or Coca Cola?

Edit:



We're fucked



3684. Post 13313247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):


Yeeez!!!!

You're a flock of friggin seagulls!!!

And we're back to where we were when I went to sleep.

@BJA Don't trust Marcus, he is trying to trick you. Trust ME!!!

Everybody trusts a fat guy!




3685. Post 13316724 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):




BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

IT IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE!!!!

QAPLA'!!!!!



3686. Post 13320520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 21, 2015, 10:42:57 PM

I'm just glad to see BtcDrak on the list. The Viacoin guy is essential.  Undecided

I didn't see lambie though.



3687. Post 13320682 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.38h):

Quote from: aminorex on December 21, 2015, 11:29:07 PM
Monkey vision:  Drop towards 390 support intraday, rising trend to continue thereafter on a daily basis, and over the weekend.
You know this is wrong
Monkey now sees at least one week downtrend, 362 support.

The wrong bit was you keeping that monkey in a cage forcing it to watch Bitccoin charts.



3688. Post 13330091 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 22, 2015, 07:45:57 PM
Hi there. I’m BlindMayorBitcorn, Hero member at Bitcointalk. AMA!

 Smiley Smiley

Congratulations!!

Do you get a superpower?



3689. Post 13330659 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 22, 2015, 09:37:09 PM
What would happen if Gavin just up and locked everybody out of the repo?

From Reddit:
Quote
Peter's idea is not to replace Core with a different team in the repo, it's to nuke the repo so that ALL teams have to post their offerings in new repos that don't have the privileged position of being historically connected to Satoshi - a privileged position that Core now enjoys.

Is that Peter Todd? I consider him the most dangerous man to Bitcoin's future but that might not be a bad idea. If it didn't come from him and Theymos wasn't holding the keys to the gateways to Bitcoin information.

Peter R.




3690. Post 13331527 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 22, 2015, 11:22:44 PM
Artificial scarcity of coins in addition to artificial scarcity of blockspace is just too much scarcity for me, so i'm gonna make myself scarce but I gotta cash out first.

Too much talk, not enough action.  Sell your coins and MTFO.



billyjoeallen and i usually agree, and this is no exception, I too will get out if block limit isn't addressed and fees rise. luckily it won't come to that... but if it does, and for some ODD reason devs decide to never touch the block limit, i think i'd be lucky to get >200$ a coin. not fixing this is basically declaring that bitcoin can NOT be "the future of money", and inviting everyone to produce a crypto that can.

Kind of weird that I'm kinda hoping for a purely speculative bubble, rather than real adoption. The line between BTC and a ponzi/pyramid is getting blurry as long as this thing doesn't scale.

At least core devs seem to agree that scaling needs to be addressed. It wasn't a given.



3691. Post 13331575 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 23, 2015, 12:20:31 AM
Artificial scarcity of coins in addition to artificial scarcity of blockspace is just too much scarcity for me, so i'm gonna make myself scarce but I gotta cash out first.

Too much talk, not enough action.  Sell your coins and MTFO.



billyjoeallen and i usually agree, and this is no exception, I too will get out if block limit isn't addressed and fees rise. luckily it won't come to that... but if it does, and for some ODD reason devs decide to never touch the block limit, i think i'd be lucky to get >200$ a coin. not fixing this is basically declaring that bitcoin can NOT be "the future of money", and inviting everyone to produce a crypto that can.

Kind of weird that I'm kinda hoping for a purely speculative bubble, rather than real adoption. The line between BTC and a ponzi/pyramid is getting blurry as long as this thing doesn't scale.

At least core devs seem to agree that scaling needs to be addressed. It wasn't a given.

Is the Jeff Garzik BIP still on the table?

Which one?

BIP100, BIP102 or BIP202?

Edit: I think the answer is "no" anyway.

Jeff is kind of a dialogue fetishist, but all he has managed to do is make both sides agree that BIP100, BIP102 and BIP202 are the wrong approaches.



3692. Post 13341000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Merry Fucking



Christmas!!!



3693. Post 13341029 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 23, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
Is Blockstream.com being ddos'd? Does it exist?

Also: who the double-hockey sticks is BtcDrak??






3694. Post 13341973 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on December 24, 2015, 01:25:07 AM

French nazis hate Bitcoin - Bullish!!   Cheesy

Workers of the world, unite!



Buy Bitcoins!



3695. Post 13360381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):


Ouch!




3696. Post 13362434 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 26, 2015, 11:31:01 AM
Company Overview of Blockstream Corp

Annual Compensation
There is no Annual Compensation data available.
Stocks Options
There is no Stock Options data available.
Total Compensation
There is no Total Compensation data available.



Note to selves:

How comforting. I guess they felt the need to clarify.

Edit:  They should have Kudos for originality though. I guess they think slogans are open source.



3697. Post 13364336 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: podyx on December 26, 2015, 05:16:59 PM


Bears be like: "I told you"

Cute Cheesy Roll Eyes

Need more handle



3698. Post 13364715 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 26, 2015, 06:31:09 PM



Are you lambie?   lambie used to post some variation of this over and over...

[facepalm]Of course he is...[/facepalm]




3699. Post 13366083 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 26, 2015, 10:10:02 PM
If Core development can be hijacked by a for profit corporation then I might as well be all in PayPal. Bloody humbug.

bye!

Go suck a Blockstream. I'm not finished yet.

I wonder how you'll feel when you use your first sidechain or make your first SegWit transaction  Cheesy Cheesy

No matter how benevolent it thinks it is a corporation is still a sociopath. You don't think it's dangerous on principle to cede control of development like this?

The sociopaths are over there : bitco.in

Would you rather we cede development to Mike Hearn & the bankers?



I don't how to answer that. Are these really the only options?

Hearn left, so you're stuck with the guy who made Bitcoin what it is today or Leeches Inc.



3700. Post 13375652 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

MOOOON IIIIIIIINNNNN SIIIIIIIIIIIIGGHHHHT!!!!!!

BAAAAAHH!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!



3701. Post 13375716 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):


O Ye, Of Little Faith!!!

Make a mockery of Bitcoin and pay The Price!!!




3702. Post 13375963 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on December 28, 2015, 12:36:40 AM
omg she starting to ask "where is this going"

WHAT DO I DO!?
$32K!!!



3703. Post 13376019 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: suda123 on December 28, 2015, 01:02:44 AM
I SOLD MY COINS AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK MAN

?

Aren't you supposed to buy the dips?

...ech...

We'll probably drop by the high $410s before the choo choo leaves the station.



maybe



3704. Post 13379265 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: faince222 on December 28, 2015, 11:49:45 AM
Good thing. I see now that price is not drop anymore (2 days ago support of 410$ was reached) Smiley Any prevision about the next days?

I've been shouting about a huge cup & handle for quite some time, but none of the TA people seem to agree. It looks artificial, but that normally doesn't seem to matter to TA nerds.



3705. Post 13380094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on December 28, 2015, 12:11:51 PM
Good thing. I see now that price is not drop anymore (2 days ago support of 410$ was reached) Smiley Any prevision about the next days?

I've been shouting about a huge cup & handle for quite some time, but none of the TA people seem to agree. It looks artificial, but that normally doesn't seem to matter to TA nerds.

Christmas profits for October to December have been taken - expect it to bounce along in the 405-430 for a few weeks until the the next messiah/scandal event hits.

Once the train is running news are excuses, but not necessary to keep the choo choo going. Unless there's some catastrophic news, like the EU, US or China(again) banning BTC, this mofo will get into orbit and beyond.

Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about.



3706. Post 13381429 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: aminorex on December 28, 2015, 03:55:46 PM
Make America Great Again!

The net migration between u.s. and mex is now in the direction of Mexico. 

I don't insist that vandals should participate in the reality-based community, but I do think your readers should be made aware when you are not.


BAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

POPULISTS DON'T CARE ABOUT REALITY!!!!!

MEXICANS ARE PERFECT SCAPEGOATS!!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!



3707. Post 13384363 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 28, 2015, 09:02:29 PM
3K bidwall on BFX

EDIT: Aaaand it's gone.

lasted less than 1 minute, and someone sold 800 bitcoin to that wall. What do you think about this kind of trick ?


Looks like it backfired. Someone trying to push the price up or hold it up in a futile effort to keep the 1 HR moving average green.

Nobody's buying my coins retail. I have to keep lowering my premium and they still don't move. 


You are a fucking liar in this post.  You had plenty opportunity to sell your coins in the upper $420s in the past 12 hours or so, if you really wanted to sell your coins, and if you have any to sell.

The only reason you wouldn't be able to sell you coins is that you would have been attempting to sell them at a 1% or more above retail, and farting around with your price, as to never get them to sell.

So, yes, sincerity is important, when you are spinning such bullshit... regarding supposedly what you have been attempting to accomplish, but supposedly unable to accomplish.

You were much more pleasant when you harbored the shame and guilt of losing half the money you plowed into BTC. Now that you're only down 17% or so... you've become fairly arrogant. I'm increasingly unsure if I can celebrate your break-even party with as much vigor as I originally intended...  Undecided 


IDK. He's more succinct when he's an asshole.

There is still plenty of room for improvement though.

The post above could be compressed to: BJA, you're full of shit!

No offense, BJA.



3708. Post 13384383 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 28, 2015, 10:54:22 PM
Same. It was so much easier to relate to him when he wasn't lecturing BJA all the time.
Yeah.... we should let BJA alone (insert leave Brittany alone meme here)...  Cry        Cry         Cry      (doesn't matter if he lies or not, so what.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Did he wrong you? Go talk to Aztec. You could start a club.



3709. Post 13384453 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 28, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
[blah blah blah]
Regarding parties connected to myself, I don't really seek any of that; however, I imaging that quite a few mid-term BTC investors (those investing from late 2013 and even through 2014) are recently coming out of the red, and we gotta feel good about that, no?
[yada yada yada]

Not losing money isn't much to celebrate. In Bitcoin you'll have to make 10-100x what you invested in order to earn the silly hats and firecrackers.



3710. Post 13384778 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 28, 2015, 11:58:15 PM
[blah blah blah]
Regarding parties connected to myself, I don't really seek any of that; however, I imaging that quite a few mid-term BTC investors (those investing from late 2013 and even through 2014) are recently coming out of the red, and we gotta feel good about that, no?
[yada yada yada]

Not losing money isn't much to celebrate. In Bitcoin you'll have to make 10-100x what you invested in order to earn the silly hats and firecrackers.

Well, part of my point in bringing up examples about my personal BTC portfolio / strategies is to get feedback and to share information regarding bitcoin investment strategies....

Sure. Not really relevant to what I wrote or replied to, but short.

If you want to talk strategies you might want to stop bashing people who bought their coins at $1.20 instead of $1200.

And if that confederate flag waving hick, BJA, wants to cash out and make his life more comfortable for himself and his confederate flag waving children, I think he should be allowed to do so in his own time.



3711. Post 13385278 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 29, 2015, 01:12:35 AM
[blah blah blah]
Regarding parties connected to myself, I don't really seek any of that; however, I imaging that quite a few mid-term BTC investors (those investing from late 2013 and even through 2014) are recently coming out of the red, and we gotta feel good about that, no?
[yada yada yada]
Not losing money isn't much to celebrate. In Bitcoin you'll have to make 10-100x what you invested in order to earn the silly hats and firecrackers.
Well, part of my point in bringing up examples about my personal BTC portfolio / strategies is to get feedback and to share information regarding bitcoin investment strategies....
Sure. Not really relevant to what I wrote or replied to, but short.
Sufficiently relevant to the extent that I chose to respond to your attempts at little and unnecessary digs...   And, long enough as I deemed adequate to make my point(s).

Nope

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 29, 2015, 01:12:35 AM
If you want to talk strategies you might want to stop bashing people who bought their coins at $1.20 instead of $1200.
Looks like you are engaging in exaggerations in order to attempt to provide unsolicited advice.    Roll Eyes

Nope

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 29, 2015, 01:12:35 AM
And if that confederate flag waving hick, BJA, wants to cash out and make his life more comfortable for himself and his confederate flag waving children, I think he should be allowed to do so in his own time.
Who's attempting to stop him from doing what he wants regarding his BTC holdings.  He seems to be handling himself just fine in the conversation, no?



Sometimes, when you see someone facing an insurmountable task, you step up without being asked.



3712. Post 13385377 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 29, 2015, 01:56:45 AM

And if that confederate flag waving hick, BJA, wants to cash out and make his life more comfortable for himself and his confederate flag waving children, I think he should be allowed to do so in his own time.
Who's attempting to stop him from doing what he wants regarding his BTC holdings.  He seems to be handling himself just fine in the conversation, no?



Sometimes, when you see someone facing an insurmountable task, you step up without being asked.

In some circles, that would be classified as "white knighting," no?   but whatever floats your boat.  If you think, BJA needs your assistance, then surely that's your choice.

Other circles again would just call it trolling, but that's why I like this place.



3713. Post 13385424 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on December 29, 2015, 02:18:01 AM
What am I lying about, again? I was trying to sell a couple coins, they finally sold at about $430 (retail). I bought them back at a slight discount, but other than that my entire trading account is in cash. Honest injun.

Shhhh!!! Don't do that!!!


Can't you hear him typing?




3714. Post 13389088 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: r0ach on December 29, 2015, 12:19:33 PM
And if that confederate flag waving hick, BJA, wants to cash out and make his life more comfortable for himself and his confederate flag waving children, I think he should be allowed to do so in his own time.

Is Gavin the leader of the confederacy since he tried to secede from the union?

And why are you on a Bitcoin forum in the first place if you're always promoting leftist ideals and now anti-confederacy when the confederacy was the original libertarians of this government?

Because I see Bitcoin as an important and exciting technology rather than the second coming for right wing nutters.



3715. Post 13389415 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: r0ach on December 29, 2015, 01:34:33 PM
And if that confederate flag waving hick, BJA, wants to cash out and make his life more comfortable for himself and his confederate flag waving children, I think he should be allowed to do so in his own time.

Is Gavin the leader of the confederacy since he tried to secede from the union?

And why are you on a Bitcoin forum in the first place if you're always promoting leftist ideals and now anti-confederacy when the confederacy was the original libertarians of this government?

Because I see Bitcoin as an important and exciting technology rather than the second coming for right wing nutters.

Leftist extremism is not the future.  We've already reached peak leftism, peak government, peak collectivism, peak feminism, etc.  You can only go down from here in your SJW ideology.  If anything, we will return back to the culture of the 1800's and early 1900's after all this garbage collapses.

It's always funny how people advocating these bullshit ideologies don't even know Hitler and Stalin are both technically leftists.  Anarchy is far right and peak government authoritarianism is far left.  It's funny you refer to the "far right" as nutters when leftist collectivism is inherently pro slavery.  One man's free stuff is another man's indentured servitude.

It makes no sense to argue politics with you when you're in denial of your own political conviction. Your stance seems completely in line with racist fascism. The fact that you're hiding behind your PC idea of right wing anarchy is just pathetic. Any true classical liberalist would vomit at the thought of you being counted among them.



3716. Post 13390797 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: r0ach on December 29, 2015, 03:41:59 PM
And if that confederate flag waving hick, BJA, wants to cash out and make his life more comfortable for himself and his confederate flag waving children, I think he should be allowed to do so in his own time.

Is Gavin the leader of the confederacy since he tried to secede from the union?

And why are you on a Bitcoin forum in the first place if you're always promoting leftist ideals and now anti-confederacy when the confederacy was the original libertarians of this government?

Because I see Bitcoin as an important and exciting technology rather than the second coming for right wing nutters.

Leftist extremism is not the future.  We've already reached peak leftism, peak government, peak collectivism, peak feminism, etc.  You can only go down from here in your SJW ideology.  If anything, we will return back to the culture of the 1800's and early 1900's after all this garbage collapses.

It's always funny how people advocating these bullshit ideologies don't even know Hitler and Stalin are both technically leftists.  Anarchy is far right and peak government authoritarianism is far left.  It's funny you refer to the "far right" as nutters when leftist collectivism is inherently pro slavery.  One man's free stuff is another man's indentured servitude.

It makes no sense to argue politics with you when you're in denial of your own political conviction. Your stance seems completely in line with racist fascism. The fact that you're hiding behind your PC idea of right wing anarchy is just pathetic. Any true classical liberalist would vomit at the thought of you being counted among them.

You're a Marxist-collectivist and use the normal leftist tactic of trying to force your ideology onto everyone then claiming they're a "bad person", "racist", "sexist", blah blah if they don't want to join your collectivist nightmare that's already resulted in the deaths of millions from your last Bolshevik revolution.

Nobody wants to join your SJW bullshit that demonizes males, anyone who isn't poor, white people, etc, the usual common targets.  You have a mental disorder called far leftism where you were dumped into too many trashcans by stronger kids while growing up, so now you can only relate to people deemed underdogs by society and shun anything considered strong or normal.  It's a mental disorder plain and simple.  Stop trying to pretend you're normal and people should adhere to your disorder.

If you are a lambie long-con consider me impressed.



3717. Post 13391005 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 29, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
I think this is the wall he was looking for.

HO-LY FU-CK!!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ... ... ... ... ... ... ...



3718. Post 13391321 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 29, 2015, 05:29:53 PM
I think this is the wall he was looking for.

HO-LY FU-CK!!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

I know. Pretty much everyone here is insane.  Roll Eyes

I'm in. They suspect nothing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg13391297#msg13391297



3719. Post 13392224 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 29, 2015, 06:17:41 PM
I think this is the wall he was looking for.

HO-LY FU-CK!!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

I know. Pretty much everyone here is insane.  Roll Eyes

I'm in. They suspect nothing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg13391297#msg13391297

Be careful. I dipped my toe in that thread once and lost it.

What exactly? Your mind or your toe?



3720. Post 13394366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 30, 2015, 12:01:36 AM
Conspicuously missing from the Blockstream roadmap are any specifics such as:

At X time, the block size limit will be increased by Y amount

When X% of blocks are full, the limit will be raised by Y amount

At X difficulty level, X transaction fee level, X number of nodes, etc...

Simple: there is no plan to increase the block size through a hard fork anytime soon seeing as there is no valid reasons to do so.

Fork off if that doesn't make you happy.

Why don't you, small blockers, fork off? Most people want raised block size...most people = bitcoin...if you don't hear the community, YOU FORK OFF

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

the community is not represented by loud mouths on twitter and reddit you chump

if you don't like Bitcoin as it is, YOU fork off.

Nobody likes Bitcoin as it is. That's why everyone is screaming for more and better developers.

Seriously, if you want Bitcoin as it is you'll have to do a MaggieCoin fork where you arrest its development and take the rest of your inbred sect with you.

GMaxwell can be your leader.



3721. Post 13394451 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 30, 2015, 12:22:01 AM
Conspicuously missing from the Blockstream roadmap are any specifics such as:

At X time, the block size limit will be increased by Y amount

When X% of blocks are full, the limit will be raised by Y amount

At X difficulty level, X transaction fee level, X number of nodes, etc...

Simple: there is no plan to increase the block size through a hard fork anytime soon seeing as there is no valid reasons to do so.

Fork off if that doesn't make you happy.

Why don't you, small blockers, fork off? Most people want raised block size...most people = bitcoin...if you don't hear the community, YOU FORK OFF

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

the community is not represented by loud mouths on twitter and reddit you chump

if you don't like Bitcoin as it is, YOU fork off.

Nobody likes Bitcoin as it is. That's why everyone is screaming for more and better developers.

Seriously, if you want Bitcoin as it is you'll have to do a MaggieCoin fork where you arrest its development and take the rest of your inbred sect with you.

GMaxwell can be your leader.


Instead of coming up with an adequate response I'll just edit your post and write some nonsense.

I know. I'm a fucking loser.


Sorry to hear that.

But don't be too hard on yourself. Life can throw you a curveball from time to time. It's not the end of the world.



3722. Post 13394622 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: Feri22 on December 30, 2015, 12:28:16 AM
Thank you

No problem.

That guy is more annoying than me. And that's too much.



3723. Post 13399037 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: Dotto on December 30, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
crashy fishy cratacrashy...

trap closing or trap opening?

Would be pretty stupid to set off anything now, two days before the new year.



3724. Post 13401902 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: aminorex on December 30, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
Would be pretty stupid to set off anything now

Now there you go.  You've said something I agree with.

Like many others, I expect ongoing accumulation and an August dump.  What does that tell you?

Hey, I told you back in February I'd keep doing stupid monkey jokes until I got a : = "LOL" !!!

That hasn't happened, so I'm forced to make bad jokes every time you spank your monkey in public (*giggle*).

In other words, there's no one to blame but yourself... and everyone else than me.

With regards to the price. I have several no ideas what that's supposed to tell me. I don't know if you're following strict TA, what phase you think we're in, or if you're factoring in the block reward halving.

Short term I fear that a lack of upwards momentum will lead to a collapse in finex swaps sometime January, but I'm optimistic and hope to sell at $4400 around March. Maybe April.




3725. Post 13402264 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on December 30, 2015, 05:21:56 PM
had to come back just to lol Smiley

Did you buy this account? I'm sure after the HashFast theft and especially fucking over a dev like Greg Maxwell the real cypherdoc would never show up around here again. Or are you just so addicted to posting here that you have to do it even if everyone here thinks you're a thief?

IIRC everyone agrees that he had to be completely informed about every intricate detail of HF's financial state because he got paid at the same time as he communicated to the community that people would get full refunds. Is that right?

Doesn't that say more about the beauty and wonder of hindsight?

Found some links:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105722.msg12368594#msg12368594

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105722.msg12367012#msg12367012

To me it looks like a regular bankruptcy. He was lucky and didn't lose money. He could have returned the BTCs to the estate, but I doubt the customers would have seen any of that money anyway.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.



3726. Post 13402665 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: StunningCunt on December 30, 2015, 07:19:23 PM
<>
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Long, sordid & convoluted tale. At the time, *everyone* was doing it, everyone wanted it to be done to them, and anyone daring to point out the obvious was the enemy of the state. Those who didn't buy HashFast miners invested in Neo&Bee, or ActiveMining, or LabCoin, or any number of lucrative investment opportunities. Their money was as good as gone, only a question of who ended up with it.
Can we really blame Cypher for capitalizing on the situation?
Yeah, I raged a bit -- turns out I was the idiot warning gay masochists about impending assrape.
Feel foolish, man Sad

 ~Pepe

Sure, but you're like a broken clock.

Did you warn me about Luke-Jr and his BFL shilling?

That could have been useful.

Do we hate him as well? I forget.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bengb/luke_jr_receives_first_little_single_asic_off_the/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.msg1713137#msg1713137



3727. Post 13402764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: TheGayOne on December 30, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
<>
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Long, sordid & convoluted tale. At the time, *everyone* was doing it, everyone wanted it to be done to them, and anyone daring to point out the obvious was the enemy of the state. Those who didn't buy HashFast miners invested in Neo&Bee, or ActiveMining, or LabCoin, or any number of lucrative investment opportunities. Their money was as good as gone, only a question of who ended up with it.
Can we really blame Cypher for capitalizing on the situation?
Yeah, I raged a bit -- turns out I was the idiot warning gay masochists about impending assrape.
Feel foolish, man Sad

 ~Pepe

Sure, but you're like a broken clock.

Did you warn me about Luke-Jr and his BFL shilling?

That could have been useful.

Do we hate him as well? I forget.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bengb/luke_jr_receives_first_little_single_asic_off_the/

Now look, Chubby, if the the time was *always 11:30,* there's no reason for a clock to say anything other than 11:30, amirite?
Analogously, there was no reason for me to confuse you by suggesting that certain 'investments' were good & had a chance to succeed -- they were all shit, each and every one.

Though my predictions lacked the variety you seem to demand, I'm content with them being (invariably) correct.

Granted, the broken clock analogy was not the best. My point is that you've been slinging shit on everything and everyone from the beginning of time, of course you're going hit someone who deserves it now and then. Besides, my mother says I'm just big boned.

Edit:

Quote from: TheGayOne on December 30, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
*And no, didn't warn you about BFL. We've all fallen short of the Glory of God.

Then you are useless in my eyes. In fact, your exclusion of them from your daily mudslinging schedule leads me to believe that you are in fact a paid BFL-shill.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!



3728. Post 13403001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: aminorex on December 30, 2015, 08:21:27 PM
Civil engineer: Hey, Boss. Traffic on the bridge is increasing by 50% per month. Shouldn't we widen it?

Bureaucrat: Ha! That bridge has excess capacity. If traffic gets too high, we'll just increase the tolls. Most of those schmucks don't really need to go anywhere anyway.

Civil engineer: Do we know that for sure? What if there is an evacuation or something?

Bureaucrat: That bridge was intentionally designed with low capacity to prevent invasions! Widening it would be a dangerous departure from historic bridge operations.

Civil Engineer: Aren't bridges supposed to be used to facilitate travel?

Bureaucrat: Yes, but only the right sort of travel. That's for me to decide! If traffic gets too heavy, and tolls get too expensive, the people can use buses. Too many single passenger cars anyway.

Civil engineer: Do you own a bus company?

Bureaucrat: Purely coincidental! I'm just guarding against bridgebuilder centralization.

Civil engineer: I see. No conflict of interest there. What's the name of your company anyway, Busstream?

Bureaucrat: BridgestreamTM, Smartass.


Awesome post, BJA!

Epic, classic.  Well-crafted rhetoric manifesting good faith is often more persuasive than bare facts and logic.  Humans "reason" almost entirely by analogy, so this is a most effective way to make your point.  The analogy flows easily, and neither is it labored, nor does it beg extension to a reductio.  

I know this is the internet, but I sense irony.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!



3729. Post 13403206 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: AlexGR on December 30, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
If you want a digital gold system, then you can't in good faith say the blockchain can't be used for non-monetary purposes with respect to colored coins, title transfers, timestamps and microtransactions.

Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.

Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.

The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.

Apparently billyjoeallen is a true visionary, unlike cripplecoiner Satoshi who put there the 1MB limit and only wanted Bitcoin's fate to be "restricted" into a much lesser role instead of wanting to include every possible dataset that can be "blockchained", into BTC's blockchain.

As an inventor, Satoshi would likely get enormous credit for creating something that could be used for 100 or 1000 stuff simultaneously instead of 1, 5 or 10. Yet he was quite open and honest about whether that would actually scale.

Satoshi showed the way: The invention of the blockchain could be used with parallel blockchains for different data sets. It was not necessary to put every single data set into the same blockchain.

But billyjoeallen knows better...

I think you read a bit much into what Satoshi wrote there. The uses BJA lists up can be argued to have a legitimate place in Bitcoin, while other more trivial uses can be left to Ethereum et al. Bitcoin offers a level of security that none other do at the moment. The entire crypto revolution can be crippled if we start restricting what should go where at this point in time.



3730. Post 13403830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: AlexGR on December 30, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
Bitcoin offers a level of security that none other do at the moment. The entire crypto revolution can be crippled if we start restricting what should go where at this point in time.

It can't be crippled. The cat is out now. But it will be "problematic" in people's perception if some try to put everything into one blockchain. Then some will say "ahhhh, as it seems this is too bloated to work... the blockchain was a stupid idea in the first place, we are better off with centralized systems - besides as this is configured right now is not much different than a centralized piece of shit...".

As for the "at this point in time", if you start using BTC's blockchain right now for other uses, against the warning that it won't scale, then what? At some point you'll have services that will need to stop altogether. Isn't it better to have a continuity plan by starting them in an alternate blockchain that is better suited for your own dataset needs and cost requirements (btc fees will eventually skyrocket, by design, due to diminishing subsidy).

As for security, there is always the possibility of merged mining to benefit from BTC's hashrate.

If you read what I wrote again I think you will see that it was more nuanced than that. I am not proposing that everything crypto should be on the Bitcoin Blockchain.

And your assumption that fees must "eventually skyrocket" would be a sign of failure. Instead of fees going up 100x we need the number of fee-paying users to go up 100x.



3731. Post 13404132 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 30, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
ppl who lie and know they've done something wrong tend to hide.  
Except sociopath weirdos who've made an habit out of defrauding people, isn't it so Dr. Marc A. Lowe?

You mean this guy:

http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-marc-lowe-yv4f5

http://marcalowemd.weebly.com/about-dr-lowe.html

I don't know if he's cypherdoc but I doubt he's only had seven patients.

In any event:




3732. Post 13404163 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 30, 2015, 11:24:08 PM
ppl who lie and know they've done something wrong tend to hide.  
Except sociopath weirdos who've made an habit out of defrauding people, isn't it so Dr. Marc A. Lowe?

You mean this guy:

http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-marc-lowe-xglwn

Nop, that's the urologist  Cheesy




Crap! I had both tabs open and picked the wrong one!



Playin it cool. Playin it cool.



3733. Post 13404314 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):



Ok, the atmosphere in here has obviously turned sour.

I suggest that brg444 removes his post where he arrests me in my fuckup and then I believe everything else will resolve itself nicely.

Ok?

Sounds good?

Ok, then.



3734. Post 13404945 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: AlexGR on December 31, 2015, 01:21:40 AM
Market prices tend to rise with increased demand. That is a market function. And when you are still lower than your closest competitor, people will still prefer your service over theirs. If a bank wire costs 10$ and takes days and a btc transfer costs 1$ and takes minutes, why would I use SWIFT instead of BTC?

True, Bitcoin today enjoys a 91% market share of crypto. However, in the overall scope of a USD $7B asset class adrift in a many-$T sea, that market share is not unassailable. Indeed, should the masses finally decide to adopt crypto, I would expect them to adopt one that they can actually _use_, rather than one that prevents them from participating due to an arbitrary limitation. Any of dozens of shitcoins are waiting in the wings to meet this market need, jealously awaiting a chance to procure adoption by delivering real value in comparison to Bitcoin.

What will happen, at most, is that shitcoins will be used for low-value txs and btc will be used for high value txs. You want to gamble for a few cents => you use a shitcoin. You want to buy a chewing gum => you use a shitcoin. You want to transfer 500$ or $5 mn, you use BTC.

Why?

If everyone uses litecoin why would Bitcoin be better for larger transactions?



3735. Post 13405082 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: fisheater22 on December 31, 2015, 01:57:35 AM
... You want to buy a chewing gum => you use a shitcoin. You want to transfer 500$ or $5 mn, you use BTC.

Right. Because the market demands as many currencies to exist side-by-side as possible, to facilitate frictionless commerce (and provide hookers and blow for Blockstream employment for money changers).  So shitcoins for buying shit, GumCoins for my gum and shitty hard candy needs, CoffeeCoins for my coffee etc., and Bitcoin, useless as money, for storing muh wealth.

..unless I end up using BeanieCoin for storing wealth, of course, then BeanieCoin. Oh, and if BeanieCoin can process enough TPS to buy gum & shit, I also might use it as money. Removing the need for the whole multi-currency convoluted bullshit.

@JayJuanGee: Please tell me you're not mentally ill/differently enabled, so's I wouldn't feel so conflicted about laughing at you.

With BeanieCoin you would be able to pay a "fee" to hire as many and as big trucks as you'd ever need in order to transact.

It would be technically superior to Bitcoin.

Finally all your Beanie Babies crap makes sense.

Whew!! That was one hell of a ride (it must have been years) just for a lousy punchline!!

So Lambie, what's your next endeavor?



3736. Post 13405160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on December 31, 2015, 02:14:53 AM
All the quick-witted people are slowly crowding back in. This is speculation! Why isn't anybody yelling out random numbers Huh


meh... holidays



3737. Post 13407151 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on December 31, 2015, 07:15:26 AM
-snip-
If you make a free, or almost free crypto, that can do tens of millions of TXs per day, what's stopping someone from abusing it and getting the network to its capacity limits, triggering a priority queue through fees?
-snip-

The same thing that's stopped it from 2009 until today... miner's dust and spam limits. They are incentivized to make small enough blocks to avoid orphaning, unless the fees offered shift them along that supply curve. It really comes down to whether  you trust the free market and the system's built in incentives... or you trust a small cadre of dudes that all happen to work for a certain company that plans to produce the medicine for your disease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mej5wS7viw

Quote from: AlexGR on December 31, 2015, 04:20:35 AM
Why?

If everyone uses litecoin why would Bitcoin be better for larger transactions?

If *everyone* uses litecoin, it won't be.

The chances of that happening is near zero for a long list of reasons.

Do you have that list?



3738. Post 13409679 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: shmadz on December 31, 2015, 01:58:47 PM
I'm still not sure which team to support. "big blockers" or "small blockers".

Still waiting on the team mascots to decide which is better.

Don't bother, this whole argument is just a sham after all...

http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/


A bit colouful, but ok read.



3739. Post 13410211 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on December 31, 2015, 02:45:47 PM
I'm still not sure which team to support. "big blockers" or "small blockers".

Still waiting on the team mascots to decide which is better.

Don't bother, this whole argument is just a sham after all...

http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/


So I read that and it has lots of words but basically says nothing.  It claims some type of Alex Jones' style "false left/right paradigm", then doesn't even describe a legit pathway forward or how each side is blocking that from occurring.  IMO, Bitcoin will need to scale to at least 8-10MB blocks even with a Lightning Network because the masses have to retain access to the main chain for it to function.

Its an irrelevant  op-ed from someone who now finds himself in a no-mans-land of trying to defend a position (do nothing) that nobody is interested in.

I've always wondered if this position, which is quite common in Bitcoin, is an expression of some kind of conformist cowardice or a genuinely delusional point of view. The guy in the article seems to assume intention where there is none.



3740. Post 13410456 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: tomothy on December 31, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
Market prices tend to rise with increased demand. That is a market function. And when you are still lower than your closest competitor, people will still prefer your service over theirs. If a bank wire costs 10$ and takes days and a btc transfer costs 1$ and takes minutes, why would I use SWIFT instead of BTC?

True, Bitcoin today enjoys a 91% market share of crypto. However, in the overall scope of a USD $7B asset class adrift in a many-$T sea, that market share is not unassailable. Indeed, should the masses finally decide to adopt crypto, I would expect them to adopt one that they can actually _use_, rather than one that prevents them from participating due to an arbitrary limitation. Any of dozens of shitcoins are waiting in the wings to meet this market need, jealously awaiting a chance to procure adoption by delivering real value in comparison to Bitcoin.

What will happen, at most, is that shitcoins will be used for low-value txs and btc will be used for high value txs. You want to gamble for a few cents => you use a shitcoin. You want to buy a chewing gum => you use a shitcoin. You want to transfer 500$ or $5 mn, you use BTC.

Why?

If everyone uses litecoin why would Bitcoin be better for larger transactions?


Isn't this similar to arguing about apples and oranges?
To me, it seems more likely that since crypto currencies occupy multiple spaces in realty, both a unit with inherent value, a representative direct transfer of said inherent value, and as a secure proof of existence ledger based on the security/hash power of the underlying item, that use cases would naturally gravitate to these options?

so with an altcoin like litecoin, it has a relatively fast transfer speed and nominal value worth but on the other hand, it's hash-power isn't necessarily as strong as bitcoin

then you have bitcoin which has a slower transfer speed, but possibly due to scarcity and first mover recognition, larger fiat value, but more importantly operates as a stronger public ledger.

so, if you are going to buy a cup of coffee, or transact a nominal value equivalent of a cup of coffee, or register an item of similar value, and then record that or transfer it to another individual, there are certain use cases which will naturally lend themselves to this option as they do not need enormous security behind it

on the other hand
if you are buying a car, or leasing a car, or perhaps a fleet of cars, or a multi-year,million dollar commercial property lease; this is a deal with significant financial liability associated with it; here as time is not necessarily an immediate concern but the concern is more over the duration of the contractual option and that proof of two parties entering into this agreement, you would want something harder to tamper with and more secure, which naturally would lead you to supporting a blockchain with more hash power.

I apologize if this doesn't come out as clear as I would like it to but in essence I'm arguing that it is naive to think Bitcoin will do everything for everyone. It won't. Already, you are divided into groups of people; those with bitcoins and those without. There is already a higher barrier of entry for someone without bitcoin than with bitcoin and this will only grow more divergent as the network continues to age.  I think that is one of the main issues surrounding the current block size debate. Who is bitcoin 'for,' can it realistically be for 'everyone' and who decides that? I think it's more important to see that it has opened the door and the genie is out of the bottle. It's difficult not to recognize how cryptocurrencies are an inherent threat to the status quo as central planners lack control. I think you will ultimately begin to see state sponsored mining entities in both an offensive and defensive capacity and that banks will be unable to simply use the system without contributing to it or open themselves up to massive liability.

If citigroup uses bitcoin to confirm a lease; and that lease has not been entered into the public ledger after the person leaves with the vehicle, and there is an accident; you could see how a confirmation delay could result in a sticky situation concerning liability. But enough already. The battle is over the block size & core and who bitcoin is for. I think a fork is inevitable and once block size increases, wall street will move in en masse. Until then, this is all a distraction to suppress asset price to facilitate accumulation.

What I'm getting at is that I don't understand how the economics will play out. Bitcoin can't "decide" that it is going to be used by the big players and everything else goes to litecoin. You'd want to use the unit with the most liquidity and broadest support if you're going to transfer large amounts of money. Todays BTC value is driven by speculation about its future utility. If that future utility is intentionally bottlenecked, the price will plummet. And any idea of a meaningful and functional fee market with a highly illiquid asset is a joke.

We might think that Bitcoins lead is astronomical, but imagine if it stops working properly, for months, because the number of legitimate fee-paying customers went up much faster than anticipated. Or, it's working, but the rising fees makes whatever made it relevant to mainstream irrelevant again. Litecoin works. And they're not going to close the gates when the plebs come running.

So, the facebook generation or the twitteraty or similar starts using Litecoin, taking with them massive liquidity and a market cap 10 times (or more) that of Bitcoin. Why would you buy a car with Bitcoin instead of Litecoin? Why would you transfer 50 million USD from the US to China using Bitcoin rather than Litecoin?

Because Bitcoin is gold and Litecoin is silver? They're not. They're competing cryptos. And that's why we need to plan for success. Or pray success doesn't come too soon.

Edit: Look at BMBs post above as well.



3741. Post 13410925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: brg444 on December 31, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
So, the facebook generation or the twitteraty or similar starts using Litecoin, taking with them massive liquidity and a market cap 10 times (or more) that of Bitcoin. Why would you buy a car with Bitcoin instead of Litecoin? Why would you transfer 50 million USD from the US to China using Bitcoin rather than Litecoin?

 Roll Eyes

The poor generation somehow is going to lead the way for a coin to grow 10x the size of Bitcoin.




https://www.youtube.com/user/PewDiePie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PewDiePie



3742. Post 13411339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: tomothy on December 31, 2015, 04:25:47 PM

What I'm getting at is that I don't understand how the economics will play out. Bitcoin can't "decide" that it is going to be used by the big players and everything else goes to litecoin. You'd want to use the unit with the most liquidity and broadest support if you're going to transfer large amounts of money. Todays BTC value is driven by speculation about its future utility. If that future utility is intentionally bottlenecked, the price will plummet. And any idea of a meaningful and functional fee market with a highly illiquid asset is a joke.

We might think that Bitcoins lead is astronomical, but imagine if it stops working properly, for months, because the number of legitimate fee-paying customers went up much faster than anticipated. Or, it's working, but the rising fees makes whatever made it relevant to mainstream irrelevant again. Litecoin works. And they're not going to close the gates when the plebs come running.

So, the facebook generation or the twitteraty or similar starts using Litecoin, taking with them massive liquidity and a market cap 10 times (or more) that of Bitcoin. Why would you buy a car with Bitcoin instead of Litecoin? Why would you transfer 50 million USD from the US to China using Bitcoin rather than Litecoin?

Because Bitcoin is gold and Litecoin is silver? They're not. They're competing cryptos. And that's why we need to plan for success. Or pray success doesn't come too soon.


I think it is important not to immediately dismiss the fact that cryptocurrencies have value, different market sizes, and different liquidity functions. We already are seeing how the economics are playing out. The big players have ALREADY gone to bitcoin. If you examine the current digital landscape, CoinBase, Circle, Bitpay, Yogabbagabba hey, etc etc etc lol, they use bitcoin not another currency. Large banks are either looking at integrating with Bitcoin or attempting to weaken it. You don't see such similar actions with any of the altcoins to any significant degree as compared to bitcoin. As such I think it is safe to say that bitcoin is being used by big players. This doesn't mean bitcoin has the most liquidity, offers the easiest means of transfering money, or provides currency stability.

If you bought $500k of bitcoin off an exchange, how would that impact the bitcoin market as compared to $500k LTC or $500k Dogecoin, or $500k ethereum. The bigger question is on which exchange is the transaction taking place? An exchange with sufficiently deep orderbooks might have no impact whereas on a different exchange you could see a drastically different effect. So you need to look not only at the liquidity of the single asset but also transferrable assets and slippage. It could be easier to cash out in one coin than another and there seems to be links in market movements between various crypto commodities. I think it's dangerous to only see the competing nature of variable cryptos and not recognize that they also operate hand in hand.

I guess the question would be, whether the market has seen an uptick in litecoin usage given the recent bitcoin block size debacle. If you examine the bitcoin/ltc price ration, the answer, apparently, would be no.

I think an interesting question would be if litecoin had the same hashpower as bitcoin, what would happen to bitcoin usage?


If you can have coke or pepsi but generic cola is 1/5 the price, why do so many people keep drinking coke and pepsi?



Bitcoins market cap is tiny for a money system. And these "big players" in Bitcoin("Coinbase, Circle, Bitpay") are tiny as well. They're startups that can be wiped away in an instant. And the real big players are playing with ripple, private blockchains and ethereum as well. They're not fully invested in crypto yet and are ready for some trial and error. The "danger" with micropayments is that they're not too sensitive when it comes to slippage, so it would be no problem for Litecoin to absorb a fairly huge volume of new users from an economic standpoint.

And. Of course we haven't seen an uptick in litecoin. Bitcoin hasn't hit the wall yet. But Bitcoin isn't Pepsi or Coke, yet.

Mining power? Miners will follow the money.



3743. Post 13412048 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on December 31, 2015, 07:02:10 PM


Liking your new look there, Richy.



3744. Post 13413552 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):


Happy New Year!!!



3745. Post 13416946 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 01, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
And... it's the future. Off to get my self-driving car. Can Bitcoin scale now? I'll need micropayments for parking.

Thanks,

BMB

Apparently there's no room for dust on the Blockchain so you'll have to pay your parking with actual dust you sprinkle on the meter.

Sprinkle cocaine for airport parking.



3746. Post 13422470 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on January 02, 2016, 02:17:36 AM
In a stunning display of courage, and with an unwavering commitment to the forging of the truth in the crucible of the dialectical method... Our friend, and highly qualified mentor, has graciously offered to continue the debate of these important ideas rather than retreat like a coward to the wizard's irc clubhouse.

Like those who have not #ragequit under adversity before... may his example continue to inspire us in our efforts to fully realize the potential of this bottom-up, community driven effort towards changing the world through a fully decentralized, dialup and raspberryPi compatible, layer 1 settlement network.

This, gentlemen is the curtain call.

After much consideration I've decided to turn the page on this thread in light of the most recent developments but also so that it stops paying lip service to the lying fraudster above and his cohort of deception artists. (Remind me not to ever create another thread without making it self-moderated)

It is clear that we now have a path forward out of this arguable gridlock thanks to the hard work of knowledgeable but most importantly resilient people. (https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases)

Although it was never a consideration that a merry bunch of loud mouths with no authority could hijack the project and hardfork Bitcoin into inexistence the schism was of a great service to everyone involved with Bitcoin in that it help identify the malicious actors and to some extent purge them from the ecosystem.

The leaders of this governance coup are now nowhere to be seen, Mike Hearn having revealed themselves as the villain he always was is now gone working full time for the bankers he had probably always been in cahoots with. Gavin Andresen has taken residency over at a forum populated by notorious scammer cypherdoc and dangerous, sociopath, charlatan Peter R. After previously advocating for what was deemed a "safe" immediate increase to 20MB, he is now figuratively begging on his knees for 2MB "compromise" only for the sake of forcing a contentious hard fork on Bitcoin in order to undermine the trust of investors in what projects to be the most important year for Bitcoin yet.

As for the groups of shills they've spawned their "community" is in shambles largely because of the self-admitted fractious tendencies.

In what proved to be its strongest menace to date it is now safe to say Bitcoin has once again demonstrated its value and the strength of its antifragile nature.

Seeing as I can't bother responding anymore to the endless barrage of lies and deception spewed here by the shills (and I certainly understand why others have already given up) it would be a disservice to more naive & gullible individuals to leave the thread open and provide a stage for these scammers.

Nonetheless it was a good ride and proved to be a most informative experience. I'd like to thank all of the honest contributors who've helped separate the wheat from the chaff (you know who you are). A special mention for iCEBREAKER for being the originator of the #REKT movement. It was an honor to carry the torch.

To the rest of you contemptible, lying ph0rkers understand that by the grace of the internet your performances and subsequent downfall will forever be preserved for posterity and serve as a tell-tale of the consequences of going against Bitcoin.

May your souls rest in peace.

Long live Bitcoin!



3747. Post 13430182 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on January 02, 2016, 08:01:40 PM
I'm going to stop including 1 transaction blocks in the full-block calculations though. There were three out of six (all F2Pool) when I looked yesterday. That's skewing things way down.

If the current formula accurately reflects the percentage of total potential used block space that had actually been filled, I would advocate no change. To do otherwise turns it into a meaningless statistic. Better to have the simple unvarnished truth, rather than some manipulated figure meant to illuminate some vague outcome.

+1  The existence of empty blocks is more a result of the gaming inherent in bitcoin than any explicit aim on the part of miners. As Richy said, empty blocks are allowed, but they will only succeed where no better block is found in the interim. A chain with a non empty block at its tip will always have more work than one with an empty block.  A chain with the most valid work is by definition the longest chain. But if the fuller block isnt found quickly enough, the empty one will be built upon next.

So I see no issue with including them.

I support Richys conclusion that including empty blocks skews the results. Certain pools intentionally mine empty blocks even when there's tens of mb in the mempool and all other blocks are full. There doesn't seem to be any fix for this other than to wait until fees are a larger part of the miner reward, so it's irrelevant for the blocksize problem in that respect. However, to have as many as three empty blocks in an hour sounds extraordinary, so I'm wondering whether the numbers will be significantly affected over time.

Ideally I'd like to see both versions plus a snapshot of the mempool size. Or a version without empty blocks, number of empty blocks for that period, and a snapshot of the mempool size... but that sounds like a lot of work.



3748. Post 13430755 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: rebuilder on January 02, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.

Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image.

Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin.



3749. Post 13431055 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 02, 2016, 11:52:28 PM
Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.

Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image.

Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin.

These technical discussions have really improved the quality of posts here. I'm starting to feel like maybe I should relegate myself to Reddit. Cheesy

Don't worry. Soon the price will start climbing and we'll all be posting sexist images and throwing poo at each other again.




3750. Post 13431218 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 03, 2016, 12:18:41 AM
Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.

Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image.

Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin.

These technical discussions have really improved the quality of posts here. I'm starting to feel like maybe I should relegate myself to Reddit. Cheesy

Don't worry. Soon the price will start climbing and we'll all be posting sexist images and throwing poo at each other again.


I can now be found in the Humanities section. Embarrassed

Sorry for bombing your thread.



3751. Post 13431223 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: fisheater22 on January 03, 2016, 12:23:01 AM
When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention.

Aaaghhh!!!

Took you long enough.



3752. Post 13431274 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 03, 2016, 12:35:47 AM
Ideally I'd like to see both versions plus a snapshot of the mempool size. Or a version without empty blocks, number of empty blocks for that period, and a snapshot of the mempool size... but that sounds like a lot of work.

Actually surprisingly little. I'll see if I can do it and work out JJG's size increase. Also, there's a bug which nobody seems to have noticed yet Smiley

Cool, looking forward to it.



3753. Post 13431414 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 03, 2016, 12:47:42 AM
Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.

Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image.

Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin.

These technical discussions have really improved the quality of posts here. I'm starting to feel like maybe I should relegate myself to Reddit. Cheesy

Don't worry. Soon the price will start climbing and we'll all be posting sexist images and throwing poo at each other again.


I can now be found in the Humanities section. Embarrassed

Sorry for bombing your thread.

Wait until I get to the part about how governments are using fluoridation in your tap water to direct your thoughts and how the pharmaceutical industry invented Aids. Angry

I can recommend a couple of books for you if you need material:

http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Mahabharata-Catastrophes-Vegas-Luna-ebook/dp/B00O2FCUJI/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/Andromeda-Martian-Catastrophe-Black-Illustrations/dp/0692448640/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

I've seen a picture of the author with a geiger counter on a beach in San Francisco. Very serious stuff.



3754. Post 13431517 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):


Adam Back's thread just turned good: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1312371.msg13431477#msg13431477

Such integrity. Such wisdom. Such constructive criticism.



3755. Post 13431793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 03, 2016, 01:41:13 AM

Adam Back's thread just turned good: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1312371.msg13431477#msg13431477

Such integrity. Such wisdom. Such constructive criticism.

Small blockers are so edgy and cool. I bet they smoke behind the bike sheds at lunchtime too.

I see he supports Front National. So he is openly bully. I think that technically makes it ok.

But I'm just not sure about Blockstream.




3756. Post 13439945 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 03, 2016, 09:08:23 PM
Don't worry. Soon the price will start climbing and we'll all be posting sexist images and throwing poo at each other again.

Do all your posts really have to be pushing Marxist propaganda?  You understand literally nothing about women, zero.  The word sexism implies that men and women are equal, when women are basically large, irrational, overly emotional children.  There's not a single woman walking the earth that respects a guy that thinks a woman is their equal.  Women only marry up.  If you're not stronger, smarter, richer, and basically better than them at everything, they want nothing to do with you unless they're "settling" after old age and desperation.

That's the divorce settlement speaking, I suppose.

Don't despair though. If your forum persona matches your actual self, your kind, mature character will surely attract a new partner in no time. Alternatively: consider a hug pillow.

Consider a hug pillow or a dog.  Dogs love you no matter how reprehensible your personality...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Can confirm.



3757. Post 13440790 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.39h):


I don't know if he's being funny or a bit slow. I found it funny anyways.

Quote from: adam3us on January 04, 2016, 12:00:19 AM
We might need to think about moving forum because some of the people proposing the ideas apparently being "moderator incompatible".



3758. Post 13444371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on January 04, 2016, 10:13:17 AM
Are you guys serious? Comparing me with user kwukduck.

Okay well then I'm out. Best of luck with your trades.

I think you remind me of Morgan Freeman. But that might just be how you sound in my head.



3759. Post 13445615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: ChartBuddy on January 04, 2016, 03:01:13 PM
Coin



Explanation


First monday after the Holidays. Yeah, I bet you've got the flu. Sure, sure.



3760. Post 13449105 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 04, 2016, 10:14:43 PM
O hai friends!

I'm the executive director of the Bitcoin Foundation and I have no idea what's going on.

But didn't everybody resign when Brock Pierce slithered on? Or am I thinking of another Bitcoin Foundation??

The only one I'm aware of who resigned was Olivier, then then came back and was voted off by the board and has resigned again

Um:
Quote
At least 10 members of the nonprofit Bitcoin Foundation have resigned over last week's election of onetime Disney child star and current Bitcoin entrepreneur and financier Brock Pierce as a new director, officials at the group said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-idUSBREA4F02B20140516


Okay, thx for the link.  I didn't follow the story much at the time.  I thought the scandal it was primarily based on accusations which were not proven.

Hmm.

I guess I hound public figues when I'm bored. Who knew?

As a fellow asshole, I congratulate you!



3761. Post 13450063 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 05, 2016, 12:05:33 AM
Alright then. Let's create our own Bitcoin Foundation, with Blackjack and Hookers!

Oh wait. That'd just be the old foundation again.

The Executive Director is doing a litte AMA right now. You can make suggestions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1314390.msg13448653#msg13448653

I'd say it's going well so far. Tongue

Kind of unsettling seeing lambie ripping into a noob like that.




3762. Post 13454030 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: pleaseexplainagain on January 05, 2016, 12:07:32 PM
It looks like the 430$ conspiracy is here to stay. My bitcoin price ticker on the phone is set on 430$ and I can't stand it anymore, it comes and goes regularly and also I can't read what is happening anymore.
The holidays confused me I guess

True, stagning price is good for reliability of btc but I just can't stand it anymore xD

I do not think the price movement deserves to be called "stagnating'. one month ago (dec 7 ) we closed at $395. Since then there have been several closes over $460 and a one day drop from $451 to $417. Simply being around $430 for the last  few days is just "circumstance'.

I think we have gone up since the $250-$300 period a little too fast and a little too high so I expect it to be $350ish in another month. That $80 drop (about 20%) should see the word bear replace the words stag and bull

You mean: bearning?

I like it!

"Oh my Satooooshiii!!! We're Bearning!!!!"



3763. Post 13455746 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 05, 2016, 02:29:25 PM
Gentlemen!

Your latest Hero Member is here!




Grin

Just in time for the most amazing Bull Run you'll ever see!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


Edit: Oh, and Congratulations!!!



3764. Post 13456214 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


Looks like Aztecs local pharmacy was closed for the holidays.



3765. Post 13456272 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 05, 2016, 04:22:15 PM
^We should let him loose on Bruce Fenton. Grin

omg

that would be so cool



3766. Post 13456900 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 05, 2016, 05:10:16 PM
I'll let Chubby answer the tough ones.

Opt-in RBF.

A man walks into a bar...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zju81/rbf_optin_a_man_walk_in_a_bar_order_a_coffe_drink/

I'm still just a puny hyoo-män. I get to ask dumb questions.



3767. Post 13457697 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

GBTC valuing BTC at $640.

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/GBTC/quote



3768. Post 13460342 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


I found the spiritual precursor to the WO-thread.

Turn off your brain and have a listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPytfSy-04



3769. Post 13466452 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: suda123 on January 06, 2016, 04:11:44 PM
RBF? LN? ELI5 TLA? ty

This

RBF = Resting Bitch Face



It's very "in" now it seems.



LN = natural logarithm (ln)

Edit: BCT refused to show Gavin, but if you press the "invalid image" banner I have provided a hyperlink.



3770. Post 13469131 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 06, 2016, 07:07:45 PM
-snip- ...  sharing bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers?




Hahahahahaha...

It seems that you are trying to say something about either the space and/or the relevancy of my posts?  Helrow?  go on, say it.  Don't be shy.    Tongue

Maybe he is worried about there not being enough space left in the thread, which I don't know if I agree with. This thread is 14525 pages already so there doesn't seem to be a problem if we write a lot of crap. But maybe he is worried that we spend too much time on this thread. He always seems to write quite short posts where he gets right to the point, maybe that's because he worries about bloat in the thread. If you look at BlindMayorBitcorn you can see that his post, which was kind of a response to Cconvert2G36s post you I THINK you will find he answered quite brief. But why? BlindMayorBitcorn can write pretty long stuff but he can also write short stuff. I THINK both of them worry too much about bloat in the thread, but BMB can post a lot of silly stuff so he can't be too worried about it I THINK. But maybe he's just an asshole who doesn't give a damn and just pretends to care about bloat in the thread. Who knows? Perhaps they know of someone who wants to put this whole thread on the blockchain and cause bloat there, that would be really unnecessary if that were true. That would be really stupid I THINK. Honestly, I THINK it's very unnecessary of them to bother you about this stuff just because someone maybe will put the thread on the blockchain. It's not like there's a warning telling us that this would happen. It really sounds like a dumb idea. Then again, maybe they just agree with you with regards to Aztecminer. I THINK it's difficult to tell from that gif. Aztecminer can write a lot of weird stuff you regret reading, he can also be quite repetitive. On the other hand, I THINK he can be quite amusing at times, intentionally or not, he seems to have some mind-blowing ideas about just about everything, the question is really if his mind is already blown. But I THINK that's his own business and nobody else's. Just like that dancer dude you have as an avatar and which your many many many words never have touched. Speaking of repetitive, look at BJA, I mean... that guy is repetitive. We've all heard that he's upset about the block size and all, but... give me a break. On the other hand I THINK all he probably wants to do is his bit to get this thing resolved. He writes quite a lot about it, maybe he wants to intentionally bloat the blockchain to push the issue that way. If that is true then I THINK that's not ok at all. He really shouldn't create a bad situation by creating bloat. Then again we don't know if this thread will ever get on the blockchain. Who knows? But his point about "paying for blockspace" can be relevant if this thread is going on the blockchain. Do we pay rent there then? Do I have to pay? This is a question we really should look into. On the other hand, I THINK he might have been full of shit... but that doesn't mean he wasn't on to something. There are other people here who use up a lot of thread space with pictures. Especially Peonminer and Adam. I guess it's not that bad if it's only the links that will be included on the blockchain. But if all the pictures are to be stored on the blockchain then I think that's a real problem. Most of those pictures are larger than your posts, if we're talking raw data. I THINK it would make little sense to upload the thread on the blockchain without the pictures. They provide a lot of context and at times they're kind of the bread and butter of this thread. Can you imagine someone trying to read this in five thousand years and not get to see any of the pictures? It would be completely nonsensical. Anyhew, I can't really understand what all this is about. It's really difficult to know exactly what Cconvert2G36 was getting at. There is so little information in his puny little excuse of a post that it just makes me mad. Not real mad, just a little bit. There seems to be some insinuation that you yourself can be contributing to "bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers" in a way that dwarfs any effort on Aztecs side, but I THINK that's something each and every one of us will have to decide for OURSELVES.



3771. Post 13469677 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 06, 2016, 10:24:50 PM
-snip- ...  sharing bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers?




Hahahahahaha...

It seems that you are trying to say something about either the space and/or the relevancy of my posts?  Helrow?  go on, say it.  Don't be shy.    Tongue

Maybe he is worried about there not being enough space left in the thread, which I don't know if I agree with. This thread is 14525 pages already so there doesn't seem to be a problem if we write a lot of crap. But maybe he is worried that we spend too much time on this thread. He always seems to write quite short posts where he gets right to the point, maybe that's because he worries about bloat in the thread. If you look at BlindMayorBitcorn you can see that his post, which was kind of a response to Cconvert2G36s post you I THINK you will find he answered quite brief. But why? BlindMayorBitcorn can write pretty long stuff but he can also write short stuff. I THINK both of them worry too much about bloat in the thread, but BMB can post a lot of silly stuff so he can't be too worried about it I THINK. But maybe he's just an asshole who doesn't give a damn and just pretends to care about bloat in the thread. Who knows? Perhaps they know of someone who wants to put this whole thread on the blockchain and cause bloat there, that would be really unnecessary if that were true. That would be really stupid I THINK. Honestly, I THINK it's very unnecessary of them to bother you about this stuff just because someone maybe will put the thread on the blockchain. It's not like there's a warning telling us that this would happen. It really sounds like a dumb idea. Then again, maybe they just agree with you with regards to Aztecminer. I THINK it's difficult to tell from that gif. Aztecminer can write a lot of weird stuff you regret reading, he can also be quite repetitive. On the other hand, I THINK he can be quite amusing at times, intentionally or not, he seems to have some mind-blowing ideas about just about everything, the question is really if his mind is already blown. But I THINK that's his own business and nobody else's. Just like that dancer dude you have as an avatar and which your many many many words never have touched. Speaking of repetitive, look at BJA, I mean... that guy is repetitive. We've all heard that he's upset about the block size and all, but... give me a break. On the other hand I THINK all he probably wants to do is his bit to get this thing resolved. He writes quite a lot about it, maybe he wants to intentionally bloat the blockchain to push the issue that way. If that is true then I THINK that's not ok at all. He really shouldn't create a bad situation by creating bloat. Then again we don't know if this thread will ever get on the blockchain. Who knows? But his point about "paying for blockspace" can be relevant if this thread is going on the blockchain. Do we pay rent there then? Do I have to pay? This is a question we really should look into. On the other hand, I THINK he might have been full of shit... but that doesn't mean he wasn't on to something. There are other people here who use up a lot of thread space with pictures. Especially Peonminer and Adam. I guess it's not that bad if it's only the links that will be included on the blockchain. But if all the pictures are to be stored on the blockchain then I think that's a real problem. Most of those pictures are larger than your posts, if we're talking raw data. I THINK it would make little sense to upload the thread on the blockchain without the pictures. They provide a lot of context and at times they're kind of the bread and butter of this thread. Can you imagine someone trying to read this in five thousand years and not get to see any of the pictures? It would be completely nonsensical. Anyhew, I can't really understand what all this is about. It's really difficult to know exactly what Cconvert2G36 was getting at. There is so little information in his puny little excuse of a post that it just makes me mad. Not real mad, just a little bit. There seems to be some insinuation that you yourself can be contributing to "bullshit quasi-irrelevant thread space fillers" in a way that dwarfs any effort on Aztecs side, but I THINK that's something each and every one of us will have to decide for OURSELVES.


Whether your attempt at parody is effective or not, maybe some readers will decide in your favor?     Undecided


As to your point regarding relevance, surely some readers are going to arrive at varying conclusions, and yet there is some objectivity that some conclusions are more convincing than others. 

When we post, each of us needs to decide the extent to which we believe our ideas are relevant or sufficiently contained within a space to contribute or to communicate value, and sometimes, the point of some poster's post will be to accuse another of irrelevance or disingenuiness... which was part of my point regarding the recent string of Aztecminer's PM advocating posts.

I honestly don't know if you're joking, but I'm loling like a mofo!

Kudos!



3772. Post 13470244 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 06, 2016, 11:42:28 PM
So I'm eating toasted almonds and it occurs to me that Peter Todd doesn't so much 'exist' as he's some sort of fiction designed to concoct outrageous ideas like RBF to distract us from the real issues: blocksize and flouridation.  Shocked

Check your boxers. Those are not almonds.



3773. Post 13470276 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBvwcH4XX6U



3774. Post 13470329 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 07, 2016, 12:19:49 AM

If the bible taught us anything...

Is that guy facef@*&ing an angel??

 Cry


....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Teil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

I can't remember if he ate the almonds



3775. Post 13470360 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 07, 2016, 12:28:03 AM
^I remember this from the news. I remember thinking, "well that's peculiar."

 Undecided

He was a "computer repair technician", and lets be honest, if he's ever let out he will be a bitcoiner.



3776. Post 13470380 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


Jeebus!!!

I'm starting to think like JJG!!!

I managed to get into his mind, but now I can't get the fuck out!!!



3777. Post 13470423 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 07, 2016, 12:39:18 AM

Jeebus!!!

I'm starting to think like JJG!!!

I managed to get into his mind, but now I can't get the fuck out!!!

That happened to Daniel Day Lewis. I hear he still thinks he's Lincoln. It's an American tragedy.

Yeah, but he can just stick with Netflix.



3778. Post 13470458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 07, 2016, 12:45:25 AM

Jeebus!!!

I'm starting to think like JJG!!!

I managed to get into his mind, but now I can't get the fuck out!!!

That happened to Daniel Day Lewis. I hear he still thinks he's Lincoln. It's an American tragedy.

Yeah, but he can just stick with Netflix.

No, the doctors say to keep him away from the television. It upsets him.

Odd, I thought it was theaters that worried him.



3779. Post 13470492 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: The Little Mermaid on January 07, 2016, 12:48:49 AM

Jeebus!!!

I'm starting to think like JJG!!!

I managed to get into his mind, but now I can't get the fuck out!!!

Go with it! The artist haz become art!
*The final step's when you don't tell people you're in character. Ever Smiley

OMG!!!

Lambie is Andy Kaufman!



3780. Post 13473274 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


Finally

Good, good, good



3781. Post 13474619 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):




3782. Post 13474970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: ImI on January 07, 2016, 01:03:15 PM

looks like tarmifart staged a scam to get some bitcoins after he got rekt with his 320$ shorts...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307868.0

What?



3783. Post 13474976 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: ImI on January 07, 2016, 01:03:15 PM

looks like tarmifart staged a scam to get some bitcoins after he got rekt with his 320$ shorts...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307868.0

The?



3784. Post 13474982 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: ImI on January 07, 2016, 01:03:15 PM

looks like tarmifart staged a scam to get some bitcoins after he got rekt with his 320$ shorts...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307868.0

Fuck?



3785. Post 13474993 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: ImI on January 07, 2016, 01:03:15 PM

looks like tarmifart staged a scam to get some bitcoins after he got rekt with his 320$ shorts...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307868.0



3786. Post 13475098 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: 7CuntsFour7Brothers on January 07, 2016, 01:22:52 PM

looks like tarmifart staged a scam to get some bitcoins after he got rekt with his 320$ shorts...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307868.0

What?

The highway's jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive

(cocksuckers killed The Little Mermaid Angry)

How does that even work?

I would have thought they would be pussylickers.

I'm so confused.



3787. Post 13476566 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Ok, the mystery of tarmi seems to be solved already:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111201.msg11805249#msg11805249

Sad. I'm going to miss that guy.



3788. Post 13477191 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 07, 2016, 05:00:54 PM
If anybody has an opinion about RBF they’re itching to share: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317681.msg13475465#msg13475465

I’m still thinking.


Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 06, 2016, 11:30:12 PM
Just no. Angry

https://medium.com/@octskyward/replace-by-fee-43edd9a1dd6d#.asn8rqiex

Repeating past statements, it is acknowledged that Peter’s scorched
earth replace-by-fee proposal is aptly named, and would be widely
anti-social on the current network
—Jeff Garzik
 
RBF is irrational and harmful to Bitcoin.
 — Charlie Lee, engineering manager at Coinbase

Replace-by-fee is a bad idea.
 — Gavin Andresen

I agree with Mike & Jeff. Blowing up 0-confirm transactions is vandalism.
— Adam Back (a founder of Blockstream)

?

Three of those guys can just stop it from happening if it's so bad.

Unless Peter is remarkably good at sucking dick I don't see how this is an issue.



3789. Post 13479007 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

BAAAAHHH!!!! HAAAA!!!! HAAAAAAA!!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1307868.msg13478268#msg13478268

Say hello to our new resident bear: 23who23



3790. Post 13479119 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: gizmoh on January 07, 2016, 08:44:41 PM

BAAAAHHH!!!! HAAAA!!!! HAAAAAAA!!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;quote=13478268;topic=1307868.80;num_replies=87

Say hello to our new resident bear: 23who23

Remove your session from the link ;sesc=****************************

How the f@Ī#& did I do that? What did you see when you clicked on it?



3791. Post 13479176 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: gizmoh on January 07, 2016, 09:02:07 PM

BAAAAHHH!!!! HAAAA!!!! HAAAAAAA!!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;quote=13478268;topic=1307868.80;num_replies=87

Say hello to our new resident bear: 23who23

Remove your session from the link ;sesc=****************************

How the f@Ī#& did I do that? What did you see when you clicked on it?

Everything mate..It was embarassing!!!  Cheesy

I'm mindfucked!!!



3792. Post 13479251 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: 23who23 on January 07, 2016, 09:12:40 PM
I am back and I am short selling this with my house.



3793. Post 13479297 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: 23who23 on January 07, 2016, 09:16:27 PM
I am back and I am short selling this with my house.


nah, that was the guy who bought my last account for 1 btc.

target 380.

Hmmm... he got the house as well?



3794. Post 13479349 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: rebuilder on January 07, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
Remove your session from the link ;sesc=****************************

How the f@Ī#& did I do that? What did you see when you clicked on it?

You meant to link to a specific post, but accidentally copied the link for quoting it instead, since the two are right next to each other.

Yeah, I figured as much. After a while.

I tried to run the link in a different browser to see what you guys saw, but I was just asked to log in.



3795. Post 13479353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 07, 2016, 09:24:51 PM
I am back and I am short selling this with my house.


nah, that was the guy who bought my last account for 1 btc.

target 380.

Hmmm... he got the house as well?



Look who fatty invited to this thread...


hahahahaha


Must be in the mood for entertainment.

always



3796. Post 13479398 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: 23who23 on January 07, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
I am back and I am short selling this with my house.


nah, that was the guy who bought my last account for 1 btc.

target 380.

Hmmm... he got the house as well?


that's some poor norwegian attempt of humor. norwegians think they are funny, but excel only in cultural fascism.

Phew, finally someone who doesn't call me a marxist!



3797. Post 13479523 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: 23who23 on January 07, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
I am back and I am short selling this with my house.


nah, that was the guy who bought my last account for 1 btc.

target 380.

Hmmm... he got the house as well?


that's some poor norwegian attempt of humor. norwegians think they are funny, but excel only in cultural fascism.

Phew, finally someone who doesn't call me a marxist!


you just talk trash because enjoying your superior* nordic model of welfare state. but deep inside you there is a bad little fascist.

*lel

Come on. Name one norwegian fascist.

Edit: Except Quisling... and Breivik.

Edit 2: And anyone in the governing Progress Party.



3798. Post 13479598 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: 23who23 on January 07, 2016, 10:02:57 PM

Come on. Name one norwegian fascist.

Edit: Except Quisling... and Breivik.

Edit 2: And anyone in the governing Progress Party.


autocriticism is one powerful marxist tool, use it wisely.





3799. Post 13479769 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: r0ach on January 07, 2016, 10:11:58 PM
I am back and I am short selling this with my house.


nah, that was the guy who bought my last account for 1 btc.

target 380.

Hmmm... he got the house as well?


that's some poor norwegian attempt of humor. norwegians think they are funny, but excel only in cultural fascism.

Nice, I'm Norwegian & Norman descent (same thing).



3800. Post 13482938 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 08, 2016, 06:03:28 AM
Chartbuddy widget progressing along nicely. Thanks Richy_T

It's kind-of interesting that there are so many transactions in the mempool but blocks are far from full.

I'm not sure but I think that may mean that most miners are already being selective about what they include in a block which might indicate that worries about increasing the block size limit are largely unfounded.

Are you sure that number is correct? Your mempool size in MB is 10x that of the one at https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/



3801. Post 13484224 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: spud21 on January 08, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
Already 94 bitpay nodes!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/3zzkqg/bitpay_core_v1299_already_at_94_nodes_and_counting/

So now, we have 570 bitcoin XT nodes, 120 Bitcoin Unlimited nodes, 94 bitpay nodes and 5000 bitcoin core nodes. Great.

WTF is a bitpay node? Has bitpay started up its own version of the Bitcoin wallet? What's the differences between bitcoin XT nodes, Bitcoin Unlimited nodes, bitpay nodes, and bitcoin core nodes?

I know XT wants massive blocks if enough people use it, but I don't know what the other two contender wallets want.

I think brg444 said something about them wanting to destroy the world with their multiculturalist marxist agenda. And kill all the firstborn.



3802. Post 13484954 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


It looks like the smart thing to do right now is to short China (no pun intended) in just about any way possible.



3803. Post 13485633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: CovetousJew on January 08, 2016, 02:04:28 PM
Interesting interview with a guy who's paid in bitcoin living mostly on bitcoin.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2016/01/07/this-man-has-been-living-on-bitcoin-for-3-years/

I know a guy who couch-surfed for at least 3 years. Forbes.com should do a story on him.

LOL! You "know a guy"...



3804. Post 13487129 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 08, 2016, 04:11:18 PM
^OK.

Hey, how come nobody's talkin' 'bout this?

https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/2016-01-07-statement

It's like you all just up and forgot how to appreciate Blockstream!


hahahahaha...


The reason is because, for some strange reason, the one instrument marching band, BJA, has disappeared from this thread and has NOT been trolling in recent days.

He (BJA) is probably out trying to figure out his story in order to make a come back and to tell us about his having had made "mucho bucks" in the latest BTC price movement because of our small blocker stupidities.


don't worry.. i got the trash talking covered while he is away .

I made a few bucks lending out my fiat to bulls. The interest rate has shot up.  Look, I don't know for sure if we're going to get a network congestion crash, but it's a very real risk.  I have a higher percentage of my net worth in BTC than almost anybody else here. I HOPE I'm wrong, but it's just plain irresponsible not to factor in the danger when we are running so close to maximum capacity and getting closer every day.

The Blockstream core devs have an incentive to overstate the problems with large blocks. They have an incentive to restrict network capacity and keep it congested. That doesn't automatically mean that they are acting on those incentives, but if they are, it would explain a lot of their actions and rhetoric.

What I am more worried about is the possibility that there is an ongoing rough consensus attack that will keep ANY resolution from being implemented until Bitcoin loses first mover advantage. But I guess it doesn't ultimately matter if the impasse is intentional or not. What matters is whether or not Bitcoin is really anti-fragile, and that is unknown at this point.

Nice to see you haven't gone full aztec on us. If there is an intentional "rough consensus attack" going on, who do you think is conducting it?



3805. Post 13488896 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on January 08, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
Cheap coins  Grin

Yep. Only $450. Anything under $700 could probably be considered cheap.

Remember when $32 was the ATH?  Cool

Edit: With this post I see I finally became Legendary. I was wondering when it was gonna kick in.

I realize it's "random" but it was getting annoying to see people with activity levels under 800 becoming legendary while I was approaching 1000 and still only a Hero.

I guess it really is random. I was wondering if it had anything to do with the fact that I seldom post outside Speculation.

You've always been legendary in my eyes. But what happened to the coffee-gasms you used squirt all over the WO thread?



3806. Post 13490242 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vo-rF5Wx6s



3807. Post 13490719 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on January 08, 2016, 11:36:08 PM
...but I know it's a sidechain technology, as is Ethereum...

When did this happen?

Link?



3808. Post 13494587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 09, 2016, 11:13:44 AM
Nice spike in BDD... Wink


Almost as if someone is getting ready for something.

I know history doesn't repeat itself. But history repeats itself.

If this choo choo doesn't start chugging hard we're going to get a smackdown from finex in mid-january.

Disclaimer: I'm full of shit, everything is rosy.



3809. Post 13495748 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Evel-Knievel on January 09, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Nice spike in BDD... Wink


Almost as if someone is getting ready for something.

I know history doesn't repeat itself. But history repeats itself.

If this choo choo doesn't start chugging hard we're going to get a smackdown from finex in mid-january.

Disclaimer: I'm full of shit, everything is rosy.

Hi,

Maybe a noob question, but what does this mean?

Thx :-)

The chart?

It means that someone moved a lot of old coins (edit: that haven't been moved in a long time). The general assumption is that it is in order to dump on an exchange. Whether or not that is true can be difficult to know, but traders may treat it as a dump signal nonetheless.



3810. Post 13495992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: CuntFabulous on January 09, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
Small correction: Your individual income tax rate applies for (profitable) trades < 1 year apart. That could be less than 30%, or could be more.

(EDIT) Obligatory IANA(tax)L disclaimer.

Irrelevant. All bitcoin enthusiasts are in the top tax bracket. Also stunningly good looking.


I showed a picture here of myself once. It got deleted instantly.

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 10, 2015, 10:33:43 PM
that bottom pic was just to horrific   



3811. Post 13496338 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: CuntFabulous on January 09, 2016, 02:31:28 PM
Small correction: Your individual income tax rate applies for (profitable) trades < 1 year apart. That could be less than 30%, or could be more.

(EDIT) Obligatory IANA(tax)L disclaimer.

Irrelevant. All bitcoin enthusiasts are in the top tax bracket. Also stunningly good looking.


I showed a picture here of myself once. It got deleted instantly.

that bottom pic was just to horrific   

Yeah, and then there are those who aren't enthralled by Fistula.
https://youtu.be/Wvr6N7PNszc

I'm disgusted, you shouldn't treat a Besson Sovereign like that.



3812. Post 13504232 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: becoin on January 10, 2016, 10:41:51 AM
This is awsome!

"OMG I just discovered unreddit.com! It shows all the comments that have been deleted in a thread! Now you can see all the comments that theymos has been deleting from /r/bitcoin!"

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/409kcg/omg_i_just_discovered_unredditcom_it_shows_all/
theymos is right. If you want to comment the future of XT altcoin you should NOT do it on BTC threads. Open XT altcoin discussion and say whatever you want to say. Nobody will delete your threads.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"



3813. Post 13505035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: becoin on January 10, 2016, 12:30:28 PM
This is awsome!

"OMG I just discovered unreddit.com! It shows all the comments that have been deleted in a thread! Now you can see all the comments that theymos has been deleting from /r/bitcoin!"

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/409kcg/omg_i_just_discovered_unredditcom_it_shows_all/
theymos is right. If you want to comment the future of XT altcoin you should NOT do it on BTC threads. Open XT altcoin discussion and say whatever you want to say. Nobody will delete your threads.

"A rose $hit by any other name would smell as sweet"
Corrected for you.

Thx for the attempted correction, but I found that neither is correct:

“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.”





3814. Post 13506104 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: AlexGR on January 10, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
Look, I don't know how to code shit (in terms of BTC code), but I do know how to change a few variables / constants. That doesn't make me a developer or someone who can maintain my fork even if the market agrees that I found the right value for maxblocksize.

This is actually a good point.

Quote
The scaling issue hides many motives and I'm not sure how deep the rabbit hole goes. I always found it suspect that some people are so hell bent on increasing block size that even if you tell them "ok, let's say we have a tech that effectively doubles the txs that can fit in a 1MB block, like segwit or something... why would you want it to go to 2MB?" and they are like "but it has to go to 2mb". Well, I call bullshit with them. That's hypocrisy. If the 1mb is an effective 2mb, then why would you need the 2 to become 4?

Why would someone, who would say yes if you asked them about a 2mb upgrade, be dissatisfied by a technological equivalent of a 2mb upgrade in terms of tx/s? What's going on here?



Segwit will take time to be spread to enough nodes and users to actually lead to a significant capacity increase. And that capacity increase will be more like 60-70%. Not double. Plus, there seems to be little advantage to this over just increasing block size, basically you can softfork it.

The GOOD thing about Core's roadmap is that their approach will fry a lot of brains in order to find scalability improvements through efficiency increases. I hope. But the fear is that whatever they come up with will be too late to avoid crippling congestion and, in its turn, the crippling of the bitcoin economy. Or, that capacity limitations will send money elsewhere. We sort of have to pray that Bitcoin stays in the periphery for a couple more years without losing its competitive advantage over other cryptos.



3815. Post 13506201 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 10, 2016, 03:03:25 PM

ie Cryptsy say goes full Gox....


Who gives a shit about that place? No doubt there'll be alt fans who'll be sad but that's about it. I don't think we'll be seeing headlines on the news if Wankcoin dies because of it.

I'm no fan of shitcoins, but I hate to see real people get taken to the cleaners by some guy whose claim to fame seems to be really fat fingers. Undecided No offence Chubby..

My fingers are perfectly proportioned. It's a bit freaky.



3816. Post 13506422 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

@AlexGR I hope you are right. But I think it depends on what markets Bitcoin gains traction in. I also find crashing into the block size barrier far more risky than a hardfork.



3817. Post 13509959 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Meuh6879 on January 10, 2016, 08:54:53 PM
Well, this forum is somewhere between absurd and ridiculous.

What did you say ... i can heard you, little boy ... !




LOL!

That's funny for all the wrong reasons.



3818. Post 13514098 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on January 11, 2016, 08:46:12 AM
At the moment, seems all good to me.. and I see no major censorship, as seems to be implied by several posters who are asserting their opposition to recent administrator banning actions...

Sure, if you can stomach all of the ad campaigns and all of the disingenuous posts they generate.

So... you think price may raise to $500 tonight? or tomorrow than?



I too am having the same question in my mind. It is a question I think we all should be concerned with henceforth.




3819. Post 13514515 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Elwar on January 11, 2016, 09:36:59 AM
At the moment, seems all good to me.. and I see no major censorship, as seems to be implied by several posters who are asserting their opposition to recent administrator banning actions...

Sure, if you can stomach all of the ad campaigns and all of the disingenuous posts they generate.

So... you think price may raise to $500 tonight? or tomorrow than?



I too am having the same question in my mind. It is a question I think we all should be concerned with henceforth.


I think it will be a while before that happens.

That's some solid advice. Thx!




3820. Post 13516397 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: hdbuck on January 11, 2016, 02:04:43 PM

Some dude thinks he can make some money from coming out with a catchy named altcoin.

Which explains why I don't see the point of this "innovation" xD

This is not innovation, this is an update in consensus to allow bigger blocks. 2MB in this case.

Consensus is already 'in' as per the block size: status quo.

In other words, forkers STFU or fork off.
Don't worry hdbuck. Core will release larger blocks by the end of the year.



3821. Post 13516676 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: hdbuck on January 11, 2016, 02:43:12 PM

Some dude thinks he can make some money from coming out with a catchy named altcoin.

Which explains why I don't see the point of this "innovation" xD

This is not innovation, this is an update in consensus to allow bigger blocks. 2MB in this case.

Consensus is already 'in' as per the block size: status quo.

In other words, forkers STFU or fork off.
Don't worry hdbuck. Core will release larger blocks by the end of the year.

wanna bet?

Just relax and watch Bitcoin do its thing. Everything will be ok.

Bet? With you? No, but I am hodling.



3822. Post 13517986 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on January 11, 2016, 01:06:11 AM
1st coin ive been buying for my basket...ETH, for many reasons,  the contracts, IOT is here..samsung fridge and many more household devices going on the web. Then the ETH  pos stage in sep. With btc mining going 1/2 (fud time) it could become too centralised ( this could affect most pow coins ) and miners/users will look to get coins another way...this could b the year pos goes mainstream.
$10+ for 1 eth by sep ....defo
if eth is added to one of the big exchanges...$20+ by sep

I haven't seen any such timeline on Casper (PoS). Links?



3823. Post 13522066 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 12, 2016, 12:32:07 AM
trolls have killed off the positive vibe this thread used to generate ... mission accomplished?

grey, dead hand of the state killing everything it touches.

Bulls & HODLER's still exist, we just don't post in this thread very often, especially in times of low volatility.
I have no doubt that moon, train, rocket gifs sill be out in force in the near future Grin

Edit - Just realised I stopped a ChartBuddy x 4 kill streak Grin

Marcus just thinks anyone who disagrees with him must be a NSA-shill/agent/provocateur. He'll lighten up when the choo choo is ready.



3824. Post 13524588 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on January 12, 2016, 04:25:33 AM
The furor on reddit over whether Peter Todd has broken laws with his double spend through RBF, and the calls for Coinbase to pursue a legal case against him are hilarious.

Which is the better approach for a cutting edge digital currency -

  • Fraud (double spend) protected by the existing legal structure (no different from laws trying to prevent various forms of credit card fraud, or)
  • Accepting that zero-conf transactions on main bitcoin layer have risk, and working on technical workarounds to truly solve that issue for people who want to accept zero-conf without risk

Why not both?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40iktd/peter_todd_suspended_from_reddit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40jbdi/upetertodd_unsuspended_from_reddit/

He should probably be careful with that stuff. That's only funny once.



3825. Post 13525803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: jertsy on January 12, 2016, 11:00:49 AM
i had to reindex the blockchain.. it took more than 48 hours for my pc:

64G memory
intel 6-core i7-3960x extreme edition
Asus rampage motherboard
ssd boot drive
three disk striped <<<<<<<<<<<< blockchain lives here


ridiculous my pc takes that long to index blockchain .  yeah bitcoin is uba... i have recorded this bullshiat.

i have not even fired up armoury.. it has to go through its index bullshiat too.. i'm gonna record it.

It happened to me last week, my PC froze & I had to turn it off at the socket. Thought I'd lost all the bitcoin's I have stored in Core. Balance reset to 0, thought my life was over Cheesy

After literally 2.5 days of reindexing balance was restored to correct amount. They really need to sort this shit in one of the next updates.

Both of you need to stop using a bitcoin node as a wallet. Use electrum, copay or a trezor for that. This is safe, light and easy, just the opposite of what a node is.

Electrum depends on Bitcoin core for its backend, so somebody has to run a node. Running a node helps the network remain decentralized, and if the problem they are complaining about isn't fixed less and less people will run nodes. If that problem gets fixed more people will choose to run nodes.

Sure, run a node. Just don't use it as your wallet. And, for the love of God/Allah/Santa, back your private key up on a "clean" device or paper(I've had to use it once. Coincidentally the same day as I decided to buy a 3-pack of Trezors(If you care about your heart those things are better than exercise and vegetables combined)).



3826. Post 13529662 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: flagpara on January 12, 2016, 12:41:17 PM





3827. Post 13531537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Callahan on January 12, 2016, 07:59:24 PM
What is ?



3828. Post 13531664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40og2w/gavin_andresen_and_industry_leaders_join_together/

https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/website/issues/3

Edit: Notice BW and Antpool.

Might explain why antpool is down atm.

Core supporters are criminals.



3829. Post 13532506 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on January 12, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
Only the charlatans are not brave/honest enough to come up with a proper name and instead leech on bitcoin's name notoriety.

Only the authoritarians are not brave/honest enough to live by the free market they claim they espouse to.  People calling themselves libertarians, but demanding protectionism in what's supposed to be an open and permissionless system, free from restrictions.  I'm pretty left wing myself, you'd probably even call me "statist", but apparently even I have more stomach for an open market than you do, coward.

Yes. They represent the Front National. They are fulltime statists/fascists/National collectivists. (hdbuck, iCE, brg444)

Is this genuinely true? I've seen iCEBREAKER wear the Front National logo as an avatar, but are all three of them?


"The National Front is a socially conservative, nationalist political party in France. Its major policies include economic protectionism, a zero tolerance approach to law and order issues, and opposition to immigration." Oh! Lovely. Embarrassed



ie rascist fascists

swell

a win for bitcoin

To be fair we hate fat people too.

Well, it's a fucking honor to be included.

Edit: I seem to be the last one to get the memo nowadays, but... is Theymos a Front National supporter as well?

Sry for massive repost, but I was wondering if any of you knew anything about this last question.

This place is starting too look more and more like the PC edition of Stormfront.



3830. Post 13532837 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


Timber!!!



3831. Post 13532964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2016, 12:02:48 AM
This makes me feel sorry I didn't max my short, maybe I'll get another chance on the rebound tomorrow morning... Wink

Do you remember Jan.14.2015?



3832. Post 13533069 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2016, 12:26:32 AM
This makes me feel sorry I didn't max my short, maybe I'll get another chance on the rebound tomorrow morning... Wink

Do you remember Jan.14.2015?

I don't understand the relevance, but I do remember, I closed my short at 178.7$, not optimal... shrug...

Well, as a permabull my little worry is that we had a finex crash both in aug 2014 and aug 2015. So, since Bitcoin is mostly for speculation atm, there might be unease in the market about jan 2016. An unease that someone easily could take advantage of. I seriously doubt that we'll see anything like a 50% drop, but 10-15% shouldn't be impossible.



3833. Post 13533170 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2016, 12:46:26 AM
This makes me feel sorry I didn't max my short, maybe I'll get another chance on the rebound tomorrow morning... Wink

Do you remember Jan.14.2015?

I don't understand the relevance, but I do remember, I closed my short at 178.7$, not optimal... shrug...

Well, as a permabull my little worry is that we had a finex crash both in aug 2014 and aug 2015. So, since Bitcoin is mostly for speculation atm, there might be unease in the market about jan 2016. An unease that someone easily could take advantage of. I seriously doubt that we'll see anything like a 50% drop, but 10-15% shouldn't be impossible.

For comparison I am not looking at January or August, I am looking at 17 - 18 March 2015, but with market movements taking 2 - 3 times longer.

You really are an angry teddy!



3834. Post 13533260 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: brg444 on January 13, 2016, 01:03:54 AM
This drop is brought to you by the good folks at Bitcoin Classic.  Cool

Hopefully ya'll enjoy being hard forked into double digits prices  Kiss

So, you're getting nervous?

You should be.



3835. Post 13533658 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: MinermanNC on January 13, 2016, 01:53:12 AM
Idk I don't see the fork as really a big deal... just got to upgrade software like everything else.  Grin

I have had many alt forks with no issues or consequences. Just another day in crypto land

I think its all political almost and just gives everyone something to talk about lol

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork-1363144448

We've even fallen ass first into a fork and we're still here.


Edit: @shmadz




3836. Post 13536625 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: hdbuck on January 13, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
Thought I'd lost all the bitcoin's I have stored in Core. Balance reset to 0, thought my life was over Cheesy


Dont worry, Core are busy working on new and exiting features that will take your balance to zero, without the inconvenience of hanging your PC.

I officially now hate you - for making me laugh when I should not.

*kisses*



I'm scared

Stop whining, you'll upset iCEBREAKER.



3837. Post 13537838 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

@iCEBREAKER

So now you're suddenly all insulted and demand a bit more PC from the rest? The fact that you won't even admit that you're racist fascists only makes you even more pathetic.



3838. Post 13543853 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: a7mos on January 13, 2016, 10:29:34 PM
Why blocks are full today which is not normal !
Is there some kind of small transaction attack and someone wants to prove that block size is small now !!

It doesn't look like there is any attack. Miners have been filling up blocks more than usual and transactions keep coming in. Mempool doesn't look swamped, nor is it empty.

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin



3839. Post 13544196 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 14, 2016, 12:07:48 AM
That said, there's quite some difference in complexity between Segwit and "change the maxblocksize int", right?

Many people seem to allude that 2MB capacity increase would require simply changing maxBlockSize variable when this simply isn't true as other lines of code would need to be changed to prevent new attack vectors(I.E.. CVE-2013-2292. ). Some proposed code to mitigate these new attacks- https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/cc1a7b53629b265e1be6e212d64524f709d27022

This being said... yes, segwit is more complicated ... but it is all worth it as the capacity increases within it are the least intresting aspects of what it provides us. Right now we don't know if Bitcoin Classic will implement Segwit or not, but if they do not and you truley understand the benefits of segwit than this should be an immediate dis qualifier.

Whatever implementation increases the block size will not suddenly become the undisputed King of Bitcoin. I wouldn't be surprised if people go back to a future 2MB+ Core client when the block size cafuffle is over.



3840. Post 13548046 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 14, 2016, 03:32:17 AM
If First Mover advantage is lost, whether it takes years or months, it will be gone forever.  Yeah, Bitcoin will still be around. Hell, MySpace is still around, but The escape route from Bankster tyranny will have been blocked.

Goldman sachs and govcoin can never replicate some of bitcoins best attributes:soverign, immutable, no KYC. and extremely unlikely to replicate other features that make bitcoin so great : limited , disinflationary.

Once you know this , you will have no fear of these private blockchains.

https://www.onthewire.io/new-york-wants-to-force-vendors-to-decrypt-users-phones/

http://9to5mac.com/2016/01/13/new-york-backdoor-access-bill/

http://www.coindesk.com/fincen-fines-ripple-labs-700000-bank-secrecy-act/

Private companies are swell. You can even fine them.



3841. Post 13551133 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: dropt on January 14, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
Maybe his account was bought

This is a suitable explanation.

Have you ever bothered to click the link in his signature?

That's not an endorsement signature. He is: Vegas Luna. Though, in this place he is close to sane.

(not really though, but he has guns)



3842. Post 13560982 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: bodogb on January 15, 2016, 12:51:20 PM

Do you guys see a possibility (even a small one) that core developers got corrupted by the banking lobby or some other party that wants Bitcoin to fail? I'm thinking millions of dollars or tens of millions. Maybe some of them were bought to stick around but hinder progress and slow development. Others were paid to do just what he did right now.

I know what open source means, I'm a developer / IT guy myself. Others can take over. But the current core devs voices are heard and they can slow things down while "acting normal".


I see the possibility that some programmers don't understand economics or business as well as they probably should when they are managing a crypto currency. There isn't really any need for conspiracy theories on either side. The Blockstream deal has some problematic conflict of interest issues, but I can very well believe that Gmaxwell, Adam and Pieter thinks their current course is genuinely the best for Bitcoin, and I have no doubt that Mike Hearn, Gavin and Jeff are worried about restricting the block size. LN, segwit, IBLT and other clever stuff is all nice and dandy, but they are not ready. And most of these improvements will take time to have an effect even when they're released. So, in the meantime Bitcoin can't grow. That's bad for businesses relying on it, and bad for the price and anyone holding this asset.



3843. Post 13561103 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):



Quote from: Lauda on January 15, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Stop this panicking as soon as the price goes down a little bit.
Less than 3 months ago we were are around ~250$. People need to calm down.





3844. Post 13561267 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Lauda on January 15, 2016, 01:58:28 PM
What are the odds of R3 giving Hearn a financial incentive for the announcement in addition to this happening at the same time as Cryptsy closes its doors? I'll let you think about that one.

I agree, I always think people who disagree with me must be a minion of the devil. How else would they come to that conclusion?

Edit: Ok, not the best point. A lot of the people who disagree with me ARE minions of The Accuser.



3845. Post 13562794 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


Well, at least volume is up.



3846. Post 13562829 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 15, 2016, 04:14:57 PM
Next up, I think full blocks vs time and probably fees vs time.

Have you seen someone break down the fee/non-fee transaction distribution lately? I would think people are already starting to add extra fees. I know I am.



3847. Post 13563052 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: coins101 on January 15, 2016, 04:44:31 PM
wut Huh? we gotta do wut Huh "blockchain blacklists" Huh? ok everyone all chant at same time: "china must go" "we want blockchain blacklists"!  .... follow up with a give me a "WOOT WOOT" .

Clearly their influence is making Bitcoin too inscrutable. Possibly even more dangerous than centralization.



yes.. the evil chinese miners and their evil Huobi must GO! there is no choice, the evil chinese has forced us to implement "blockchain blacklists" . we're putting chinese miners on no-fly lists too.

By the sound of it increasing blocks will invoke the great fire wall of China and btc will become more decentralised almost overnight.

It's like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas

Hmmm... not that I agree with the "everything China is evil" vibe in this thread, but it would be interesting to fill the blocks with anti-chinese-government propaganda and see what happens.



3848. Post 13563127 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 15, 2016, 04:52:58 PM
Hearn's immaturity and disloyalty isn't even worth our contempt. His contributions and reckless actions will be forgotten and we will move forward with this grand project. There is no stopping this; our efforts are being realized.

Come on, you know bitcoiners are, more often than not, major dicks. It would be crazy if nobody ever got fed up with it.



3849. Post 13563261 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 15, 2016, 04:58:06 PM
the chinese panics were fun, but u guys really have taken this racism thing to new levels that i can't condone. .. i just cannot hate people just cuz they mine bitcoins. #sorrycharlie

Just to be clear, my tongue was firmly in cheek.

What the concentration of mining in China illustrates is the failures of a command economy. China provides electricity at a reduced cost (by drawing value from other parts of their economy) and the Chinese miners are taking advantage by sucking the value into their own coffers. It's all quite rational

The interesting thing is what happens next.

What happens next is that they are invited to give technical advice on how to best maintain China's (un)competitive advantage. This is one thing I really am struggling to understand. If the biggest problem to Bitcoins decentralization is that over 51% of miners are potentially under the influence of the chinese government, why didn't core just implement BIP101 a year ago? Everyone would just silently approve and chinese miners would perhaps be more inclined to join foreign pools instead of running their own pools inside China's crippled communet.



3850. Post 13564245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: hdbuck on January 15, 2016, 05:56:19 PM
How is increasing to 2mb as bad as increasing supply past 21m?

It is called a instigating a "precedent": if you can manage it for one protocol parameter, you can do it for everything else.

I honestly didn't think you could get any dumber.

I'm too generous.



3851. Post 13564366 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: tomothy on January 15, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
We are clearly facing a crises like we have never faced before in the bitcoin echo-system.

I don't know if it was a typo, but it definitely ... resonates ... with me(giggle, giggle).

This is an important step. Who's next? [Edit: This is who: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg13564698#msg13564698 Phew, that was fast!]

Disclaimer: Sam Cole is, quite paradoxically, a PoS.



3852. Post 13564729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: AlexGR on January 15, 2016, 07:07:40 PM
+ there are two dimensions in growth, one being the money volume the other being tx count. Money volume will continue to increase and scale even with a steady tx count as very low value txs give their place to higher value txs in a "crowded" scenario.


While it is true that the tracks don't suffer from as much wear when it's upside down, there are other issues with this way of thinking.



3853. Post 13564848 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on January 15, 2016, 07:16:57 PM


+ the fact that there is no expansion space is a bullshit argument. Blocks are at ~600kb (including dust and spam), not 1mb. It has +50% capacity to reach 900kb - with 100kb to spare. If some blocks are full, so be it...

+ there are two dimensions in growth, one being the money volume the other being tx count. Money volume will continue to increase and scale even with a steady tx count as very low value txs give their place to higher value txs in a "crowded" scenario.

Meh, whatever. Its probably just academic now:

Bitfury on board for Classic

Even brg444 has tweeted his disapproval. Or disappointment. Or butthurt.



3854. Post 13566588 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):


Ow, ow, ow! It hurts in my digital wallet!



3855. Post 13566595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.40h):

Quote from: rolling on January 15, 2016, 10:42:48 PM
Ok, new proposal on block size. 1mb max limit for transactions with no or micro-fee attached. No block size limit for transactions with a fee attached that is at least 90% of the average fee over the last 1440 blocks. Now go make it happen and stop dumping.

ACK, we'll call it "Rolling Bitcoin".



3856. Post 13567689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Lauda on January 16, 2016, 01:00:46 AM
Stop defending him, he does not deserve it.

"Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people."



3857. Post 13567729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: AZwarel on January 16, 2016, 01:11:42 AM
Stop defending him, he does not deserve it.

"Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people."

Fascinating idea!  Wink

Nicked it from Lauda's profile page



3858. Post 13567771 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Lauda on January 16, 2016, 01:15:26 AM
"Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people."
Yes, that quote was more of a general principle of how people should live their lives. It does not imply that strong minds never discuss events nor people else that would be a logical fallacy (faulty generalization). You would know that if you paid attention or went to the right classes instead of trying to stab me in the back (if that is the case since people have attempted that in the past; otherwise I apologize for my assumptions). In times like these you have to fight them with their own methods, else you lose. A public shame list would not result in 'weak minds discussing people' which is not what was meant with that quote.


The price seems to have somewhat recovered. Huobi seems to be temporarily closed.

I never had your back. I'm just pointing out that you are losing your cool. I thought you might want to know that.



3859. Post 13568371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):


Jeebus, lambie is having a field day.



3860. Post 13582701 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 17, 2016, 11:19:18 AM
https://medium.com/@bramcohen/bitcoin-s-ironic-crisis-32226a85e39f#.sie1emacg

Quote
In the long term the mining rewards for bitcoin will go away completely (there’s a strict schedule for this) and all that’s left will be transaction fees. Attempting to ‘solve’ the problem of transaction fees would in the long run undermine the security of Bitcoin even if it were done perfectly.

The problem of transaction fees will in the long run be solved by the free (not fee!) market. Once the subsidy for miners subsides, they will have to make a living with fees. So they'll have an incentive to sell blockspace at a competitive price. It's too early for this now, since the subsidy is still so much bigger than the fees.

Even the EU stopped capping milk production (done out of fear milk would become too cheap for the farmers to make a living). And Core wants to be the central planner of the tx production quotum? Get real.

I agree with you. But it seems like any hard fork is going to be contentious. Near unanimous agreement by everyone involved won't happen until there's a fire. Smoke won't cut it.


Ok, then. I had to try.



3861. Post 13583207 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: bitebits on January 17, 2016, 12:22:27 PM
So are you saying that we are going down, and I should sell a bit more... ha hahaha... what fucking looney to attempt to judge what someone else should be doing. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Must be that English is not my first language, neither my second. I was (trying to) positively cheer for you bitcoin reaching 502$ so you are in the green as well, and only envy your considerable stake. No harm intended and good for you that you managed to get your average price down while only trading with 10% of your stash.

Edit: for the record, I do not trade at all. Cold storage + small amounts for weekly / monthly  usage.

There's nothing wrong with your english. Half this forum should be on meds.



3862. Post 13583361 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: macsga on January 17, 2016, 12:41:34 PM
There's nothing wrong with your english. Half this forum should be on meds.

That's an underestimation. I'd say the WHOLE forum would be more accurate.  Grin

Wooow, colors man!



3863. Post 13588017 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: AlexGR on January 17, 2016, 07:37:09 PM
And please, don't even pull the "price doesn't matter" bullshit lol.  Bitcoin is a currency, if one of your main development goals isn't to increase it's network effect and value, then you're probably doing it wrong.  A currency is a consensus mechanism between individuals in lieu of barter.  In order to fulfill that goal, the largest number of people possible have to be holders or it's either harder for them to do business, or they can't do business at all.  This means sane Bitcoin development has to constantly be trying to expand capacity to fit more users.  Unless capacity is already high enough for world reserve currency, any stagnation of capacity increase while users are demanding more will be viewed negatively by the market.

There's also no such thing as "spam".  If you think spam exists, it means minimum transaction fee is not set high enough.  Zero fee transactions should not exist in the first place.

Satoshi said the system was not suitable for micropayments. He said it would probably not be suitable for <0.01 txs. He considered spam a problem and he said he is taking intentional measures to restrict very small transactions.

The value of the network will not increase if the blockchain is 100 terabytes full of junk, requiring gbps to move around junk. But it will increase if it is efficient in its hardware and network resources even if that means restricting dust - as it was intended to. Not by me, not by "blockstream", but by satoshi himself.

Bitcoin isn't currently practical for very small micropayments.  Not for things like pay per search or per page view without an aggregating mechanism, not things needing to pay less than 0.01.  The dust spam limit is a first try at intentionally trying to prevent overly small micropayments like that.

Bitcoin is practical for smaller transactions than are practical with existing payment methods.  Small enough to include what you might call the top of the micropayment range.  But it doesn't claim to be practical for arbitrarily small micropayments.

Forgot to add the good part about micropayments.  While I don't think Bitcoin is practical for smaller micropayments right now, it will eventually be as storage and bandwidth costs continue to fall.  If Bitcoin catches on on a big scale, it may already be the case by that time.  Another way they can become more practical is if I implement client-only mode and the number of network nodes consolidates into a smaller number of professional server farms.  Whatever size micropayments you need will eventually be practical.  I think in 5 or 10 years, the bandwidth and storage will seem trivial.

I am not claiming that the network is impervious to DoS attack.  I think most P2P networks can be DoS attacked in numerous ways.  (On a side note, I read that the record companies would like to DoS all the file sharing networks, but they don't want to break the anti-hacking/anti-abuse laws.)

If we started getting DoS attacked with loads of wasted transactions back and forth, you would need to start paying a 0.01 minimum transaction fee.  0.1.5 actually had an option to set that, but I took it out to reduce confusion.  Free transactions are nice and we can keep it that way if people don't abuse them.

It would be nice to keep the blk*.dat files small as long as we can.

The eventual solution will be to not care how big it gets.

But for now, while it's still small, it's nice to keep it small so new users can get going faster. When I eventually implement client-only mode, that won't matter much anymore.

There's more work to do on transaction fees. In the event of a flood, you would still be able to jump the queue and get your transactions into the next block by paying a 0.01 transaction fee.

Itīs interesting how we can read the same thing but not read the same thing.



3864. Post 13597070 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: becoin on January 18, 2016, 05:15:51 PM
I'm always interested to hear a coherent argument against something that appears completely natural and obvious to me
Free blockchain space for everybody is neither natural nor obvious. The so called "classic" fork is not a solution. It is merely kicking the can down the road approach that makes future solution even more difficult to find.

I'll stick to Core and bitcoin main branch. Good luck with the classic free-money-to-everybody!



You could stick to Core till the fork, after that, you will need to use a client compatible with big blocks, the other chain is going to die quickly.
It'll be good if big block fork finally happens. Bitcoin Core will finally clean itself from viruses and government sponsored actors.

Everybody knows Gavin works for the USG. Don't be a fool!
Big banks are getting behind Bitcoin "Classic" fork. That is their next move.
https://twitter.com/jerallaire/status/688232046951403520

Big banks behind Bitcoin. Lol. You guys are too much. Cheesy
Hmmm... Bitcoin "Classic" fork is not Bitcoin.

When the time comes I'll PM you an address for you to send your stash of useless "Classic" coins.




3865. Post 13597573 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: becoin on January 18, 2016, 04:59:09 PM
I'm always interested to hear a coherent argument against something that appears completely natural and obvious to me
Free blockchain space for everybody is neither natural nor obvious. The so called "classic" fork is not a solution. It is merely kicking the can down the road approach that makes future solution even more difficult to find.

I'll stick to Core and bitcoin main branch. Good luck with the classic free-money-to-everybody!



You could stick to Core till the fork, after that, you will need to use a client compatible with big blocks, the other chain is going to die quickly.
It'll be good if big block fork finally happens. Bitcoin Core will finally clean itself from viruses and government sponsored actors.

Everybody knows Gavin works for the USG. Don't be a fool!
Big banks are getting behind Bitcoin "Classic" fork. That is their next move.
https://twitter.com/jerallaire/status/688232046951403520

Adam Back looks upset.



3866. Post 13598981 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: becoin on January 18, 2016, 07:47:40 PM
When you take away child's toy, he is upset...His reaction just shows his arrogance for the last couple of months
Thinking of upset Hearn joining R3 and arrogantly ragequitting. Now banks getting behind Garzik's "classic" fork. It is too obvious what is going on.

Banks need bitcoin blockchain but without bitcoin and that's exactly what big-blockers are doing crippling bitcoin as store of value. Hurray... free block space to every spammer!
Only dumb people think there is a need to have a blocksize limit in order to have the store of value function.
Only dumb people think miners can pay their bills with the miserable tx fees big-blockers are willing to pay.

... .. . dumb people who doesn't understand that block rewards alone will keep the PoW-bit of the network super safe for the next decade (unless you strangle adoption of course)?



3867. Post 13600507 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 18, 2016, 11:01:22 PM
All the other bigblockers are making better arguments than me. Maybe I should just shut up for a while. Carry on.

Good point! Let's get back to what we do best!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!

Break through that bloody $390 yet!!!!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!



3868. Post 13600580 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 18, 2016, 11:27:57 PM
I think an increase to 2MB is reasonable.

Can I ask why any sane person wants 8MB & even bigger blocks? It makes no sense at all, what do you possibly gain from that or is it because you think a hard fork will make the price crash so you can get a cheap entry point?

Are a large majority of the big block enthusiasts just chancers who haven't got many/any coins & secretly want uncertainty around a hard fork so they can load up on uber cheap coins?

Anybody want to answer honestly, no trolling?

Honestly? If we introduce 8MB(+) blocks in the form of BIP101 then the market will now that this issue will not have to be revisited in the not so distant future. The only "bad" thing that will happen is that Luke-Jr and Gmaxwell will throw a hissy fit.


errrhhhh...sry



BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNN!!!!!!

TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIINNNN!!!!!!!!!!!





3869. Post 13600603 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 18, 2016, 11:39:20 PM
All the other bigblockers are making better arguments than me. Maybe I should just shut up for a while. Carry on.

All of your arguments are equally specious ... and not just you, but all of them should learn some humility and know when to shut up.

Folks you see whats the idiotic part of this whole discussion? Both solutions 2MB/4MB blocks and Segwit/LN/etc will solve this issue longterm. Maybe Bitcoin is better shortterm with one solution but longterm it wont matter. BUT what really could hurt Bitcoin longterm is that silly fight that has embarked between silly nerd kids unable to listen to each other and unable to do compromises!

So everybody step back a little and breathe, Bitcoin won't die no matter which way we go, but this civilwar has to come to an end!

Hmmmm.....




3870. Post 13606792 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 19, 2016, 12:39:17 AM
I think an increase to 2MB is reasonable.

Can I ask why any sane person wants 8MB & even bigger blocks? It makes no sense at all, what do you possibly gain from that or is it because you think a hard fork will make the price crash so you can get a cheap entry point?

Are a large majority of the big block enthusiasts just chancers who haven't got many/any coins & secretly want uncertainty around a hard fork so they can load up on uber cheap coins?

Anybody want to answer honestly, no trolling?

Honestly? If we introduce 8MB(+) blocks in the form of BIP101 then the market will now that this issue will not have to be revisited in the not so distant future. The only "bad" thing that will happen is that Luke-Jr and Gmaxwell will throw a hissy fit.


But Fatty: I read that some sort of max block size is necessary to prevent miners from preventing people from running full nodes by creating too-large blocks. Is this true?!?! Would 8MB do that??

sauce

I don't see this "problem" as much of a problem. The most likely scenario is that the requirements on the nodes will increase due to the natural emergence of Bitcoin on the market. If this happens more people will depend on Bitcoin and be devoted to Bitcoin. Even with both the introduction of light clients and the price kicking our teeth in for the last three years, we still have 5648 nodes running. I think people confuse "real decentralization" with running a full node being some kind of a human right. It's not.



3871. Post 13607659 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on January 19, 2016, 04:37:51 PM
(There is an exchange in this forum, some years ago, where Greg says that the 1 MB limit is as sacred as the 21 M BTC limit, and he would not have put any time into bitcoin if Satoshi's design did not include it.  Gavin then points out that the 1 MB was not in the original design, and quotes Satoshi's Oct/2010 post where he explains that the limit could be lifted when needed by a simple 2-line patch and a routine hard-fork release.  I did not see Greg's answer.  Considering that he has never answered Mike's "crash landing" post either, I assume that he just shut that fact too out of his mind, since it did not fit his convictions...)
This one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1492537#msg1492537

Bitcoin is valuable because of scarcity. One of the important scarcities is the limited supply of coins, another is the limited supply of block-space: Limited blockspace creates a market for transaction fees, the fees fund the mining needed to make the chain robust against hostile reorganization


Maxwell is totally clueless about the economics of Bitcoin. It's scary to read that from a guy so influential.

The blocksize limit and the 21 million BTC are two totally different economic beast. It takes a very high degree of cluessnessless to confuse the two.


why is your pseudo frecnh blog not up anymore? your inputs are so valuable.. much clue, such bitcoin expert.
Why are you stupid?

So much questions, so few answers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt9q-WChfeM

he does

Edit: btw: we're going down soon



3872. Post 13609319 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 19, 2016, 07:02:55 PM
<>
The devs are moving forward with blocksize slowly to avoid half-measures / band-aids.
They want a solution they can all agree is THE SOLUTION.
The Final Solution?

"The Final Solution" is coming one way or another.

economic forces result in things like bitcoinclassic. at one point somthing like bitconclassic will be adopted as "the solution" by the market, but i don't think the devs will let it come to that...

Hi Adam!!

You've been away for awhile. Long story short: they did and it has.




3873. Post 13610091 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 19, 2016, 08:58:35 PM

Bitcoin core is considering changing the hash-algo from SHA2 -> SHA3.....

https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/8d3a84c242598ef3cdc733e99dddebfecdad84a6

just wow.

Yeah, try getting miners to run that shit.



3874. Post 13610123 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 19, 2016, 08:44:54 PM
There probably won't be a hard fork to classic.
By April, core will have implemented 2MB+ blocks, by then the incentive to switch to classic will be low.


this is a rumor worth buying.


https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq#roadmap

If they don't hold to this roadmap, they'll lose all credibility I'm afraid.

they'll be fine, it would be surprising to see them fuck up so bad that people choose to adopt a new dev team.



3875. Post 13610186 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 19, 2016, 09:06:20 PM

Bitcoin core is considering changing the hash-algo from SHA2 -> SHA3.....

https://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin/commit/8d3a84c242598ef3cdc733e99dddebfecdad84a6

just wow.

Yeah, try getting miners to run that shit.

nah the nodes will. after coulpe week of diff adjustement, it will be fine. Wink

its obv a hardfork, so there wont be weeks needed to any diff-adjustment. you start right away with a very low diff.

That would be a car crash of a hard fork. "2016 Apr 14" isn't far away. Do we even listen to Luke nowadays?



3876. Post 13610439 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):


I guess Hearn's ragequit doesn't look so bad now.



3877. Post 13610493 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 19, 2016, 09:50:35 PM

I guess Hearn's ragequit doesn't look so bad now.

Seriously, given all that shit its remarkable that we are still at 380$...

You seem like a level headed guy, are Core out of their fucking minds?



3878. Post 13610569 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 19, 2016, 09:58:10 PM

You seem like a level headed guy, are Core out of their fucking minds?


I am fairly confident that at the very least, one of them is.

Ok, I counted 2: Gmaxwell and Luke-Jr.

Adam Back is an apparatchik. Wladimir is sort of like an Ent. Who's left?



3879. Post 13610799 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Sitarow on January 19, 2016, 10:24:08 PM
re Luke-JR and changing over to SHA3: The man seems to go out of his way to find causes to champion, the more hopeless, the better. I first remember paying attention to him when he was acticely pushing tonal notation for Bitcoin. At least that was relatively harmless, if eccentric.

changing over to SHA3 has been proven to be unnecessary for now.

I guess it depends on what qualifies as necessary. A rivaling implementation forcing a hard fork?

https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41aocn/httpsbitcoinorgenbitcoincorecapacityincreases_why/cz0z9ym



3880. Post 13610869 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 19, 2016, 10:31:08 PM

I guess Hearn's ragequit doesn't look so bad now.

Seriously, given all that shit its remarkable that we are still at 380$...

You seem like a level headed guy, are Core out of their fucking minds?


i think its no more than a threat at the moment, but it shows the childish attitude that brought us here in the first place. gmax and luke seem to be very immature.

It's like they think this is somehow comparable to OpenOffice or some linux distro. You can't say stuff like that when you're maintaining a digital currency. I don't care if they're the best coders in the world, they are shit at economics and should have nothing to do with Bitcoin!



3881. Post 13611313 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 19, 2016, 10:56:24 PM

I guess Hearn's ragequit doesn't look so bad now.

Seriously, given all that shit its remarkable that we are still at 380$...

You seem like a level headed guy, are Core out of their fucking minds?


i think its no more than a threat at the moment, but it shows the childish attitude that brought us here in the first place. gmax and luke seem to be very immature.

It's like they think this is somehow comparable to OpenOffice or some linux distro. You can't say stuff like that when you're maintaining a digital currency. I don't care if they're the best coders in the world, they are shit at economics and should have nothing to do with Bitcoin!


Gmax is convinced. I don't know if he still feels this way, but:

Quote
Without a sharp constraint on the maximum blocksize there is currently _no_ rational reason to believe that Bitcoin would be secure at all once the subsidy goes down.

Bitcoin is valuable because of scarcity. One of the important scarcities is the limited supply of coins, another is the limited supply of block-space

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1492537#msg1492537

He was an idiot then and he is an idiot now. I can't understand why Gavin left Bitcoin in the hands of these idiots. Maybe he really is a USG shill.



3882. Post 13611428 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 19, 2016, 11:55:19 PM

With a sharp constraint on the maximum blocksize there is currently _no_ rational reason to believe that Bitcoin would be secure at all once the subsidy goes down.

Bitcoin is valuable because poeple believe it has value, if there is a limited supply of block-space then there it can only be valuable to a limited number of people.

You see?!?!?!!?! Even the local drunk gets it!!!



3883. Post 13617814 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

@smooth you are arguing with the multi-account house troll formerly known as NotLambchops (NLC).



3884. Post 13621976 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Ok, so brg444 is claiming victory on behalf of Core because some core devs made a deal with f2p to raise the limit to 2mb in 2017.

What am I missing?

Edit: Anyhew, nice read: http://belshe.com/2016/01/18/bitcoin-blocksize-and-the-future/



3885. Post 13622097 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 20, 2016, 10:03:21 PM
If Luke-jr would quit dumpster-diving 486s, we might start getting somewhere.

Good one! I can't stop laughing!



3886. Post 13622331 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Andre# on January 20, 2016, 10:28:26 PM
Why are we still discussing Classic like it's not a failed project already?

Didn't you get the news?

Apparently, it's YOU who didn't get the news.

I think he's referring to f2pools tentative agreement with core about a 2mb block size in 2017.

So we know f2pool and probably Kano supports core. Kano is insignificant and f2pool might shrink quite a bit in a couple of months.



3887. Post 13622417 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: madmat on January 20, 2016, 10:39:35 PM
Why are we still discussing Classic like it's not a failed project already?

Didn't you get the news?

Apparently, it's YOU who didn't get the news.

I think he's referring to f2pools tentative agreement with core about a 2mb block size in 2017.

So we know f2pool and probably Kano supports core. Kano is insignificant and f2pool might shrink quite a bit in a couple of months.

2017!! So funny.

Yeah, it's stupid. Anyone who's experienced petty arguments in academia knows what this is about. They should just fold and move on, it's getting embarrassing.



3888. Post 13622496 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on January 20, 2016, 09:52:37 PM
I am tired of all that shit. I quit Bitcoin until the next ATH.
I failed to quit.
Nice to hear.



3889. Post 13622599 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Andre# on January 20, 2016, 11:05:23 PM
Why are we still discussing Classic like it's not a failed project already?

Didn't you get the news?

Apparently, it's YOU who didn't get the news.

I think he's referring to f2pools tentative agreement with core about a 2mb block size in 2017.

So we know f2pool and probably Kano supports core. Kano is insignificant and f2pool might shrink quite a bit in a couple of months.

2017, so we would have to bite our nails for a full year at least, enduring higher fees, lesser reliability, and a degraded user experience. Awesome.

Nope, Bitfury and Antpool are going to push f2pool below 20% and f2pool will start running Bitcoin Classic. Kano is going to go into full troll mode for a while, who knows where he'll land.



3890. Post 13622631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Try to stop this train!!!!



I dare you!!!




3891. Post 13622702 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on January 20, 2016, 11:21:16 PM
Remember guys:
Let's see how the recovery unfolds, if any. It might bring back the memories of the arrest of Ross Ulbritch to the market if a steady rise ensues.

Don't tease...



3892. Post 13622726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

CHOO CHOO!!!




3893. Post 13622803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on January 20, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
I am doubting myself for being bearish but at the same time this pump does not make too much sense.
I feel like this should dump back down. What am I missing here?

The last time I saw you talking like that we hit $500.



3894. Post 13622997 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that JJG has taken it upon himself to do QC on WO-thread posters?



3895. Post 13623058 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: coins101 on January 21, 2016, 12:22:05 AM
Try to stop this train!!!!



I dare you!!!


That's grand central station in Moscow. It's already stationary.

Eeechh...  But it looks badass!!!



3896. Post 13623242 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: peonminer on January 21, 2016, 12:18:35 AM
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that JJG has taken it upon himself to do QC on WO-thread posters?


Cool

the shouty irish guy



3897. Post 13623259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 21, 2016, 12:24:09 AM

I would take anything brg444 says with a pinch of salt as he completely lacks objectivity.

without bitfury and f2p, classic has no chance to reach even 50%.

Where does it say Bitfury supports this?



3898. Post 13623295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 21, 2016, 12:59:07 AM

I would take anything brg444 says with a pinch of salt as he completely lacks objectivity.

without bitfury and f2p, classic has no chance to reach even 50%.

Where does it say Bitfury supports this?

Bitfury said already yesterday that they wont support Classic.

Huh?

http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/01/17/bitfury-announces-support-for-bitcoin-classic-2mb-block-size/

Link?



3899. Post 13623344 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 21, 2016, 01:05:37 AM

I cut-and-paste posted this here when it came out two days ago.  

@Chunky Is the war is over??

And I read it then, I just don't see how this is a retraction of the support for Bitcoin Classic they gave the same day.



3900. Post 13623363 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 21, 2016, 01:08:14 AM
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that JJG has taken it upon himself to do QC on WO-thread posters?


Probably its only you, but you can do a bit of additional shit-stirring and feeble additional white knighting (like this current "ironic" post), if you continue to be supposedly preoccupied about the contents of my posts?


What a goofy appeal.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You're attacking people for no good reason. You're kind of like NLC, but without the edge.

And you make my head spin.




3901. Post 13626696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on January 21, 2016, 08:43:49 AM
Toomim on wechat (I think). Gives a little more insight to what has happened, and what he thinks, agree or disagree... worth a read if you can handle it... loooong.

http://pastebin.com/B8YQr5TQ

There's even some stuff relevant to the WO-thread here:

1|申屠青春:2016-01-20 07:29:30:Chinese central bank want to issue digital currency...
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 07:29:43:(indeed. big news)
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 07:29:49:(thanks for the update)
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 07:30:02:oh darn, i already sold my bitcoin to pay for electricity a few days ago...
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 07:30:06:wish i had waited
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 07:30:12:Smiley
1|申屠青春:2016-01-20 07:30:20:[Grin]



3902. Post 13626933 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 21, 2016, 08:45:08 AM
Toomim on wechat (I think). Gives a little more insight to what has happened, and what he thinks, agree or disagree... worth a read if you can handle it... loooong.

http://pastebin.com/B8YQr5TQ

Tl;dr Roll Eyes

What happened tho??

It took a while before I noticed that it wasn't some Guy Core, but Guy Corem. That's the Spondoolies-Tech CEO who's been running a campaign against dogie here on BCT. So I skipped to the end and, lo and behold, he did as he always does. He held his hand all the way down the long corridor and stabbed him in the heart. If you want to see how you can fuck someone up royally it's probably a good read.



3903. Post 13627079 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on January 21, 2016, 10:24:43 AM
Toomim on wechat (I think). Gives a little more insight to what has happened, and what he thinks, agree or disagree... worth a read if you can handle it... loooong.

http://pastebin.com/B8YQr5TQ

There's even some stuff relevant to the WO-thread here:

1|申屠青春:2016-01-20 07:29:30:Chinese central bank want to issue digital currency...
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 07:29:43:(indeed. big news)
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 07:29:49:(thanks for the update)
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 07:30:02:oh darn, i already sold my bitcoin to pay for electricity a few days ago...
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 07:30:06:wish i had waited
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 07:30:12:Smiley
1|申屠青春:2016-01-20 07:30:20:[Grin]


Guy Cohen has a great line in adversarial cross examination! weasel words, statements dressed as questions, the lot.
And finally this: (referring to nodes)
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1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:03:39:or someone can fake it as well ?

So, its just iceBreaker/Adam Back, just better trained.

This is funny: (afer JT describes core_POW change as an alt coin)
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1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:11:15:With you permission, I want to call it Core + PoW change fork
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:11:21:And not altcoin
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:11:23:Ok ?

Even funnier....
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1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:22:33:Let's assume Core is implementing both changes
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:22:38:And we have different PoW
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 09:22:45:they Smiley
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:22:54:sure
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:23:02:(It's bad translation from Hebrew)
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:23:08:We as a community

From hebrew.  No forks in hebrew.

He has a serious isue with core-pow being called an altcoin, I'm surprised JT didnt pick up on it and leverage it.

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1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:30:12:That both ClassicCoin and CoreCoin are alt coins and the OldCoreCoins are the real one
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:30:22:I know that there are some people still using old clients
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:30:28:And call those coins BTC
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 09:30:34:right, the original bitcoin has a 32 MB blocksize limit
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 09:30:39:we stopped using Bitcoin years ago
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 09:30:41:indeed

So we have been buying alt-coins for the last 4 years according to Mr. Cohen.  

I'll stop now as I'm bored as you probably are.


Still, I think Toomim did prety good, for someone with no legal/PR training.

It's clear that Toomin assumed Guy Corems stated objective was the real goal of the conversation and accepted it.


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1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 06:19:32:guy, are you in here?
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:19:46:Hi Jonathan
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:19:54:Thanks for logging in
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:20:01:Care to discuss possible governance change ?
1|申屠青春:2016-01-20 06:21:39:@jl2012 那是反社会了,马上被弹劾。
1|申屠青春:2016-01-20 06:22:05:下台
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 06:22:46:in public?
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:22:53:Yes
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 06:22:55:i'm open to a possible governance change
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:22:58:The only right way to do it Smiley
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 06:23:06:olivier will probaby get annoyed with me for doing it in public
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 06:23:08:and marshall
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 06:23:11:and mike
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:23:14:please do
1|teksongbu:2016-01-20 06:23:19:why?
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:23:22:Thay's the correct way to do it, IMHO
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 06:23:34:Bitcoin world should be open free and clear of intrigues

But it becomes clear that he has something else in mind:



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1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 10:05:39:i think the majority of devs want to work on the majority coin, and won't want to play chicken once it's clear which one that is
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:05:58:Why do you object to my vision of comeptition ?
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:06:04:Isn't competition good ?
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:06:17:I mean, you didn't want to git-cherry pick ?


Quote
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:29:45:Once you are forced to do Hard Fork once
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:30:04:And see that it's not hat terrible (my believe, not core), they'll do it more often Wink



3904. Post 13627298 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on January 21, 2016, 10:52:05 AM


But it becomes clear that he has something else in mind:



Quote
1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 10:05:39:i think the majority of devs want to work on the majority coin, and won't want to play chicken once it's clear which one that is
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:05:58:Why do you object to my vision of comeptition ?
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:06:04:Isn't competition good ?
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:06:17:I mean, you didn't want to git-cherry pick ?


Quote
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:29:45:Once you are forced to do Hard Fork once
1|Guy Corem:2016-01-20 10:30:04:And see that it's not hat terrible (my believe, not core), they'll do it more often Wink

The opening gambits made it clear that this was not going to go pleasantly. But considering his meticulous approach and questioning style, I fell he comprehensively failed to fluster JT, and simply became angry at the end. I think he tried to tease out some statement from JT that all hell would break loose during a HF, but couldn't make that point stick - JT shut him down pretty well.

How many times did he say "I'll get to that later" (which is code for "I know nothing more on that topic") ?

tl;dr It shouldn't have happened.

As you've said earlier I think JT did pretty good as well, and it does shine a light on much of what happened.  But I would prefer it if the guy on the other end was someone closer to Core willing to speak more openly. Not friggin Guy Corem. This just shows that Bitcoin Classic is open. We knew that.

Quote from: BitUsher on January 21, 2016, 11:00:55 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/690120783281156097

Confirmed: Chinese mining pools are sticking with Bitcoin Core.

Context and more details? I knew it was coming from the conversations , but just didn't expect it this quickly.




3905. Post 13627404 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 21, 2016, 11:13:53 AM


https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/690120783281156097

Confirmed: Chinese mining pools are sticking with Bitcoin Core.

Context and more details? I knew it was coming from the conversations , but just didn't expect it this quickly.



You are incredulous or simply lack details of the announcement? Aaron van Wirdum is a respected journalist so I would give a little credence to his announcement and wait to verify.

Yeah, let's do that "wait to verify" thingy.



3906. Post 13628512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: ImI on January 21, 2016, 12:59:04 PM
What percentage of the mining pool is represented by "Haobtc, OKCoin, Bitmain, Bither, LIGHTNINGASIC" ? 

The context was Chinese mining pools. With the list above and F2Pool which already made a deal with core a couple days ago(evidence provided earlier)... I see BTCC and BW mining missing which is ~20% global hash rate or around 2/3rds of Chinese mining pools  indicating they are sticking with core(If we are to believe the sources) and the remaining Chinese pools having an unknown position.

F2P deal with Core? You mean 2Mb in April 2017?  Do you know what they actually meant when they said that, knowing that Classic was going ahead in a timeframe a fraction of that?

better start reading the whole fckn conversation. wang clearly states that he is in favor of 3months before any softfork and he wants at least one year before any hardfork. that pretty much puts classic to the grave.

Your conclusion might be a bit premature. Bitfury is about to roll out its latest chips. If P2Pool's share decreases, along with the smaller ones, Bitcoin Classic might have +80% by the end of February.

Now, if we could get a confirmation of the defection rumours all of this is moot of course.



3907. Post 13628594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 21, 2016, 01:16:32 PM


Your conclusion might be a bit premature. Bitfury is about to roll out its latest chips. If P2Pool's share decreases, along with the smaller ones, Bitcoin Classic might have +80% by the end of February.

Now, if we could get a confirmation of the defection rumours all of this is moot of course.

Yet, we should indeed have a neutral stance on bitfury at the moment because with one breath they give a nod to classic , and another long article they attack all of the principles that support classic.

You can if you want to. One is a woolly defence of Bitcoin in general while the other is a firm announcement of support. Things can change due to other events, but atm I see no need to class them as "neutral". Then again, it doesn't matter how I view them, the proof is in the pudding.



3908. Post 13628849 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

@Bitusher What are you talking about? I want BIP101. But nobody gives a shit about what I think. Bitfury obviously wants a 2MB Block Size Cap without burning too many bridges. I guess a hard fork from 1MB to 2MB isn't considered "abrupt" by Valery.



3909. Post 13628948 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 21, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
@Bitusher What are you talking about? I want BIP101. But nobody gives a shit about what I think. Bitfury obviously wants a 2MB Block Size Cap without burning too many bridges.

Almost Everyone wants an effective 2MB block capacity. You aren't making any distinctions.

So You are you suggesting the Classic supports those statements from Bitfury?

Here is a hint-

1|Jonathan Toomim:2016-01-20 07:11:29:i have misgivings about the vision of the fee market as a way to pay for mining, and i think that fee market + lightning would be terrible for earning fees as a miner

I guess a hard fork from 1MB to 2MB isn't considered "abrupt" by Valery.

What gives you that indication? A nod of support and a long article directly refuting most of Classic's principles?

? ? ?

Are you slow or something?

I am not the CEO of Bitfury.

Here: https://mobile.twitter.com/valeryvavilov/status/688054411650818048

Troll Valery instead.



3910. Post 13629537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

@lambie You know me, nerds are easy prey.

Quote from: BitUsher on January 21, 2016, 02:03:08 PM
? ? ?

Are you slow or something?

I am not the CEO of Bitfury.

Here: https://mobile.twitter.com/valeryvavilov/status/688054411650818048

Troll Valery instead.

I am not trolling you or insinuating that you know his mind. This is the speculation forum where we discuss data and speculate upon it. I am asking for your opinion on why Bitfury gives a nod of support and than shortly after attacks most of the principles that support the implementation he gave a nod of support to.

Do you have an opinion on this or do you believe the list of statements I laid out don't fundamentally undercut XT/BU/Classics principles?  

Or is this merely an issue you prefer not to discuss because you rather not acknowledge it? If so, I will happily leave you alone and apologize for upsetting you.

What is there for me to acknowledge? His defence of Bitcoin was, as I said, woolly. It can be read different ways by different people. But at the very least Bitcoin Classic and Bitfury has reached some kind of overlapping consensus on the urgent need for a 2MB hard fork. That announcement was very precise. As long as people agree on the technical implementation they don't need to agree about every little thing or thought regarding Bitcoin.



3911. Post 13629564 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 21, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
Where are we at, are people just pretending Toomin-Coin is still happening?

As far as I can see (read) Chinese mining pools have rejected it & shown their support for Core?

Can we add Toomin-Coin to the list of failed take overs?


Any solid links?



3912. Post 13629914 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 21, 2016, 03:02:43 PM
What is there for me to acknowledge? His defence of Bitcoin was, as I said, woolly. It can be read different ways by different people. But at the very least Bitcoin Classic and Bitfury has reached some kind of overlapping consensus on the urgent need for a 2MB hard fork. That announcement was very precise. As long as people agree on the technical implementation they don't need to agree about every little thing or thought regarding Bitcoin.

Ok, we either fundamentally disagree with the principles being contradictory or you simply do not want to discuss the details I outlined. I'll respect your position and move on to other topics.

This whole thing started with you wanting Bitfury to be classified as "neutral" when they clearly aren't. I pointed this out and you started pushing me on the internal consistency of Bitfury's decision. Although I guess this can be debated from here to the Himalayas, I don't see how this will change the fact that Bitfury has publicly announced that they will pursue a 2MB block size with Bitcoin Classic.



3913. Post 13629952 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: madmat on January 21, 2016, 03:17:54 PM
Where are we at, are people just pretending Toomin-Coin is still happening?

As far as I can see (read) Chinese mining pools have rejected it & shown their support for Core?

Can we add Toomin-Coin to the list of failed take overs?


Chinese mining doesn't rejected Classic. This is just FUD from C0re people.

Good to hear from you! I've found nothing of substance in this regard. Can you definitively deny that there is something to this rumour?



3914. Post 13630189 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: madmat on January 21, 2016, 03:31:05 PM
Where are we at, are people just pretending Toomin-Coin is still happening?

As far as I can see (read) Chinese mining pools have rejected it & shown their support for Core?

Can we add Toomin-Coin to the list of failed take overs?


Chinese mining doesn't rejected Classic. This is just FUD from C0re people.

Good to hear from you! I've found nothing of substance in this regard. Can you definitively deny that there is something to this rumour?

I think this is a bit part of it : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41zitw/aaron_van_wirdum_on_twitter_confirmed_chinese/

Ok, I've seen that one. Some journalist and some guy translating some text. I guess I'll just have to wait.



3915. Post 13631605 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on January 21, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
Unfortunately, when there are so many interpretations of the term "Anarchy"

Isn't that true of any generic socio-political term?

'Socialism' can mean anything from Nazis to Communists to European social Democrats.



No, it can't.

Stop spreading stoopid.



3916. Post 13632610 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):


The retard journalist (https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/690120783281156097) has published his article: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/f-pool-chinese-pools-will-stick-with-bitcoin-core-1453395328


Long story short: F2Pool and HaoBTC.

No real news then.



3917. Post 13633218 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: BitUsher on January 21, 2016, 08:32:53 PM
Well some of us suspected Bitcoin Classic was a trojan horse meant to change governance and than switch to BIP101 and the numbers are indeed reflecting that --

Up at the highest rated approval we have BIP101

https://bitcoin.consider.it/BIP101

Sounds good to me.

Quote
Democracy in action folks! Letting the mobs of idiots and people who want to destroy bitcoin vote for its future.... wonderful.

That seems to be the majority of bitcoiners. They only have to because Core lost touch with reality.



3918. Post 13634429 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: Arcteryx on January 21, 2016, 10:50:40 PM
And I thought this thread was about the price of coin not about who has bigger internet shlong  Roll Eyes
LOL sometimes this thread has the most humorous things I have ever seen.



3919. Post 13634840 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Holy Crap!

Lambie is a Hobbesian!!!

Edit: Well, and a Kantian, come to think of it.




3920. Post 13639642 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: oda.krell on January 22, 2016, 12:29:32 PM
(2) property and economical rights of the individual are not absolute but are subordinate to the interests of society as a whole

So you are a communist...

(3) the state is supposed to provide public services like health care, education, social security, transportation infrastructure, emergency and security services, etc.;

So you are a communist...

(4) the state should try to ensure equal opportunities to everybody and ensure that everybody has a decent minimal living conditions.

So you are a communist...


So you are a Nazi?

(Did I do that right? :3)

Not really. He wrongly labeled a moderate as en extremist. You're spot on.



3921. Post 13641276 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.41h):

Quote from: tomothy on January 22, 2016, 02:48:50 PM
So what have we learned today? The same word can have multiple and rather vastly different meanings depending on your geographic location and historical understanding.

No, "communism" isn't a subjective term. Some people just use it wrong and/or haven't bothered to really find out what it means.



3922. Post 13643591 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 22, 2016, 05:56:10 PM


Yeah... your post is saying, I don't know how to read or think or to provide any information.... therefore, I would like you guys to read it for me and to tell me what you think.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't you have any thoughts? or are you just trying to get others to do all of the work for you?

stop being an asswipe



3923. Post 13646164 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 22, 2016, 10:20:13 PM
I also think that buying at $375 is a fair price as it in medium range of what it has been for the past year, that is when I started my venture into bitcoin. I am glad I wasn't here when it was at $1200 and just starting out. I would be really upset if I had to sell now at 4x the loss.


Almost any scenario describing someone who began buying at $1,200 is highly unlikely to continue to have that person with an average cost per BTC at $1,200, unless he completely detached and stored away the bitcoins.  Accordingly, when people paint pictures of the $1,200 average cost per BTC, they are describing a rare creature, and possibly even a unicorn... hahahahahaha

@mixan context: JJG bought at $1200. Might explain his lack of internal monologue.




3924. Post 13646694 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 23, 2016, 12:33:25 AM
I also think that buying at $375 is a fair price as it in medium range of what it has been for the past year, that is when I started my venture into bitcoin. I am glad I wasn't here when it was at $1200 and just starting out. I would be really upset if I had to sell now at 4x the loss.


Almost any scenario describing someone who began buying at $1,200 is highly unlikely to continue to have that person with an average cost per BTC at $1,200, unless he completely detached and stored away the bitcoins.  Accordingly, when people paint pictures of the $1,200 average cost per BTC, they are describing a rare creature, and possibly even a unicorn... hahahahahaha

@mixan context: JJG bought at $1200. Might explain his lack of internal monologue.




You are a real pussy, fatman..... engaging in personal attacks, when you do not even know details.... and what about sharing some of your personal BTC investment details as springboards for dialogue?  helrow???



3925. Post 13646932 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 23, 2016, 01:46:33 AM
I also think that buying at $375 is a fair price as it in medium range of what it has been for the past year, that is when I started my venture into bitcoin. I am glad I wasn't here when it was at $1200 and just starting out. I would be really upset if I had to sell now at 4x the loss.


Almost any scenario describing someone who began buying at $1,200 is highly unlikely to continue to have that person with an average cost per BTC at $1,200, unless he completely detached and stored away the bitcoins.  Accordingly, when people paint pictures of the $1,200 average cost per BTC, they are describing a rare creature, and possibly even a unicorn... hahahahahaha

@mixan context: JJG bought at $1200. Might explain his lack of internal monologue.




You are a real pussy, fatman..... engaging in personal attacks, when you do not even know details.... and what about sharing some of your personal BTC investment details as springboards for dialogue?  helrow???



I'm the one in the orange shirt


And I'm the white knight in a cowboy hat touching your junk.



3926. Post 13649722 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: mymenace on January 22, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
the battle of the blockchains


http://coinjournal.net/prediction-10-billion-will-be-invested-in-blockchain-startups-in-2016/

“It’s already started. I mean, my estimate is that we’re going to see $1 billion come into the Ethereum ecosystem in 2016 alone, and the general estimates for the amount of money going into the entire blockchain ecosystem, including Bitcoin, is on the order of $10 billion.”  - Vinay Gupta (original CypherPunk member)

from what i understand huge consortium of financial institutions invested in R3 (Mike Hearn) using the ethereum programming

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/r3-connects-11-banks-distributed-ledger-using-ethereum-microsoft-azure-1539044


other financial institutions using the legacy open source linux hyperledger

ASX is testing this at the moment

bit hard to ignore other blockchains



That is brilliantly clever. Suddenly the R3 project makes a whole more lot of sense.



3927. Post 13659762 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):


We should move more up if the eth bubble is deflating.



3928. Post 13659847 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on January 24, 2016, 06:11:42 AM
Vitalik Buterin, the developer and co-founder of crypto 2.0 platform Ethereum and co-founder of Bitcoin Magazine, has received the award at the WTN’s 2014 summit held at the Time & Life building in New York City and joins now the illustrious circle of recipients nominated by the World Technology Network each year. The event has been organized together with Fortune and Time. Besides, Buterin has been involved in multiple crypto projects over the years, including KryptoKit and Dark Wallet. Furthermore, this is not the first time the youthful developer has been rewarded for his efforts: in July this year Buterin benefitted a US$100,000 maintenance grant from Peter Thiel, PayPal co-founder and venture capitalist, which allow him to further progress in his start-up projects, including Ethereum. Multiple prominent industry leaders and companies have received World Technology Awards since the turn of the century, including the likes of Pinterest, Tesla, Skype, Apple, IBM, Amazon and other individuals and organizations that have made their mark in the world of technology. Vitalik Buterin was the only big name in the digital currency industry to win an award at this year’s WTN event.

well done m8 Smiley



hahahahaha


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


sure it is funny how the likes of Mr. Pumperitis ... likes to continuously pump alts in this bitcoin thread, including Ethereum...


and it is also funny how some big industries will also pump alts, to some extent, in order to create impressions of competition with bitcoin... when bitcoin remains the main game in town... and ethereum, if it becomes a contender, is years away from bitcoin... .. will be interesting to see if ethereum is still being pumped in a couple of years... and if it catches up to bitcoin in any ways.. including the computing power behind bitcoin.
http://www.wtn.net/summit-2014/2014-world-technology-awards-winners
dude this isnt a pump...its a realization...an awakening of the crypto masses, all of us have realized btc is not in capable hands anymore. Many smart traders saw this coming months ago(some even yrs ago), if btc fails what should we do...go to fiat or another coin??.
crypto isnt dying ,its evolving  Cool
A coin that does not have the issues btc is having..and if it does have issues in the future "who would fix it"?  people trust VB more than any btc future dev , its that simple

Ethereum isn't ready to absorb a lot of value yet. At least according to the dev team.




3929. Post 13660539 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: AlexGR on January 24, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
tldr 5 million BTC did not move. Someone with 10k BTC moved it 500 times.

Seems like high volume spam. Instead of spamming the blockchain with dust, now we have XXXX btc moving back and forth, for the lolz, also creating meaningless "output" spikes.

In the meantime: (cointape.com)

The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 30 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.
For the median transaction size of 369 bytes, this results in a fee of 11,070 satoshis (=0.04$ USD for first block inclusion).


And that with the mempool having a 43 mb backlog. Obviously those moving coins for the lolz to say "ohhh the blocks are full", "the mempool is full", aren't in any rush to pay - they are just clogging the system with spam as cheaply as they can get away with it.


Yeah, looks like we need to increase block size limit.



3930. Post 13660852 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: AlexGR on January 24, 2016, 12:35:28 PM
If anything, it shows most of the transactions are bogus, conducted just to bloat the blockchain or be used as a "factoid" that "ohhh blocks are full, the mempool is full" bullshit propaganda.

You can make a quantity analysis or a quality analysis.

The quality analysis of the txs is very revealing of what is going on right now. The costs involved to process txs are extremely low at 4 cents for first block inclusion and yet floods of transactions that aren't seemingly in any hurry, are queued up to be processed for zero / near-zero cost. Why?


Bitcoin Magazine on Wences Casares:

"The Argentinian-born entrepreneur has been able to create one of the most well-capitalized companies in the space, and he was able to mystify the likes of Dick Costolo, Marc Andreessen, Reid Hoffman and other Silicon Valley giants by transferring roughly $250,000 worth of bitcoin between multiple smartphones within a matter of minutes. "


That was back when Bitcoin was worth a fraction of what it's worth now. How do you think that party trick looks like today? Do you think it's of no value?



3931. Post 13665703 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: Yakamoto on January 24, 2016, 06:09:58 PM
...
Or in your business language: We can give away our product for free, said no successful business ever.
...

Depends on what you mean by "for free" :- There's Google...

you pay google by advertisement

maybe we can put some advertisements on every TXs  Wink

"sponsored by Coca-Cola"

Google didn't start out by charging for searches, email, etc. Had zero ad revenues because zero ads.
I guess Google should have started out by charging for its services, would have been a multi-gazillion-dollar co. by now.

Part of why Google is so popular is because it did absolutely zero ads during their first startup, and this lead to everyone using it to recommend Google over other search engines, as there were barely any ads. And it's pretty much the same way now. The ads are very non-intrusive, and this is what is making them so much money.

I think Google migght only be the size of Bing or Yahoo if they started with ads, and there would most likely also be a more distributed market share.

The main part tho was that Googles searches were much better than AskJeeves and Altavista. Their search algo was far superior. People found what they were looking for.



3932. Post 13666262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on January 24, 2016, 10:10:30 PM

The main part tho was that Googles searches were much better than AskJeeves and Altavista. Their search algo was far superior. People found what they were looking for.


By that reckoning [url =http://www.persiankitty.com/]this[/url] should have taken over the world!!  Wink Cheesy Cheesy

If there was any point to what I wrote I guess it would be that the analogy breaks at some point. We might have to think for ourselves.

(Crap! Where's that anti-spyware!?!?!!?!!)

(Edit: Only 628 threats detected, I guess it was soft porn then.)



3933. Post 13666493 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on January 24, 2016, 10:39:53 PM

The main part tho was that Googles searches were much better than AskJeeves and Altavista. Their search algo was far superior. People found what they were looking for.


By that reckoning [url =http://www.persiankitty.com/]this[/url] should have taken over the world!!  Wink Cheesy Cheesy

If there was any point to what I wrote I guess it would be that the analogy breaks at some point. We might have to think for ourselves.

(Crap! Where's that anti-spyware!?!?!!?!!)

(Edit: Only 628 threats detected, I guess it was soft porn then.)

You know, I cant remember the actual point I switched to google from AltaVista, despite having convinced myself that I never would. Funny, no matter how entrenched we think we are, we are liableto change in a heartbeat. Bitcoin core could learn that lesson.

I removed the link  Grin - if people wish to discover how we found porn in 1994 then they can type it themselves... ( and learn how we got rid of spyware too!)
Sorry for your spyware troubles...   Shocked

I guess I'm more of a whore. I switched after the first try. It was sooo much better. I tried switching back after Google became a verb, but it only lasted 20 seconds.



3934. Post 13666529 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on January 24, 2016, 10:41:22 PM
-snip-  
Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.

Stop lying and spreading lies. People like you have totally poisoned the debate to take it out of the realm of technical into the personal attacks, smears and political, which of course was your disgusting intention all along.



3935. Post 13667229 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on January 24, 2016, 11:30:38 PM
-snip-  
Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.

Stop lying and spreading lies. People like you have totally poisoned the debate to take it out of the realm of technical into the personal attacks, smears and political, which of course was your disgusting intention all along.
This the text fatman omitted without explanation.
Quote
blblablabla

This is the gif Marcus omitted without explanation.



The links to the original posts are at the top of the quotes. Knock yourselves out.



3936. Post 13683910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):


A new candidate for The Bitcoin Anthem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXMhwF4EtQ

Sometimes,
I find another world inside my mind.
When I realize the crazy things we do.
It makes me feel ashamed to be alive.
It makes me want to run away and hide.

-chorus-
Its all about the money,
its all about the dum dum duh dee dum dum.
I don't think its funny.
To see us fade away.
Its all about the money,
its all about the dum dum duh dee dum dum.
and I think we got it all wrong anyway.

We find stranges ways,
of showing them how much we really care.
When in fact we don't seem to care at all.
This pretty world is gettin out of hand.
So tell me how we failed to understand.

-chorus x2-
Its all about the money,
its all about the dum dum duh dee dum dum.
I don't think its funny.
to see us fade away.
Its all about the money,
its all about the dum dum duh dee dum dum.
and I think we got it all wrong anyway.



3937. Post 13686427 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 26, 2016, 07:23:55 PM
luke-jr -1 points 1 day ago
The modern "Israel" is, like all other modern governments, merely a tool of Satan's

Dafuq?!

Sure nice to know Bitcoin is in good hands.



3938. Post 13686969 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 26, 2016, 08:11:17 PM

He shouldn’t be allowed to talk to people. Embarrassed

I don't think he is. But he's a bad ass renegade!!!



Quote from: bargainbin on January 26, 2016, 08:10:31 PM
Poll: Luke Jr: Trolling or not?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/42svg3/planning_bitcoin_ljr_012/

Nope, he's a nutter.



3939. Post 13690000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 27, 2016, 04:45:34 AM
every day without an inch of movement from Blockstream, increases the possibility. The fact that they start bringing up PoW changes when backed into a corner gives even more weight to the idea that they would rather go to war than compromise to 2MB.

Blockstream is moving rapidly on segwit, sidechains, and Lightning.  They are meticulously preparing Bitcoin to be carefully scaled ASAP.

Classic, OTOH, is spreading '2MB? Not much testing needed' nonsense.

And yes, we will "go to war" to defend Bitcoin's diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient characteristics, from which its key interesting property of antifragility emerges.

Whine about it all you want.  Nothing you do can move our Honey Badger's needle one iota.  You have no power here.

You're the one whining. We're winning.



3940. Post 13691747 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: r0ach on January 27, 2016, 08:10:37 AM
I send 0 fee transactions all the time and so far they've always* gone through, so there's definitely still a decent percentage of miners that accept them. The only time I pay a fee is if I'm using a web wallet or phone wallet where the fee is built in, or if I'm sending coin to an exchange to make a trade and time is of the essence.

[more anti-semitic crap]

For the record: Fuck you, roach!



3941. Post 13692047 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: edgar on January 27, 2016, 06:21:38 AM
winning at being #faggots...

Every time, every day







3942. Post 13692780 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: lottery248 on January 27, 2016, 11:58:08 AM
winning at being #faggots...

Every time, every day





dud, you are not here to talk about the off topic here, we are here to speculate the bitcoin price, fag. Tongue
by the way bitcoin has no volatility as of now. lmao.

It was just a simple reply to edgar.

I don't know why he brought it up.

Go flirt with him instead.



3943. Post 13693499 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 27, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
I send 0 fee transactions all the time and so far they've always* gone through, so there's definitely still a decent percentage of miners that accept them. The only time I pay a fee is if I'm using a web wallet or phone wallet where the fee is built in, or if I'm sending coin to an exchange to make a trade and time is of the essence.

[more anti-semitic crap]

For the record: Fuck you, roach!

We wrestle not against flesh and blood, Fatty, but against principalities, against the rulers of darkness, against spiritual wickedness in high places. The state of Israel is backed by Satan and everybody knows it.

I think you'll find most in this thread will just nod without a chuckle.



3944. Post 13694174 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: peonminer on January 27, 2016, 02:13:08 PM
I send 0 fee transactions all the time and so far they've always* gone through, so there's definitely still a decent percentage of miners that accept them. The only time I pay a fee is if I'm using a web wallet or phone wallet where the fee is built in, or if I'm sending coin to an exchange to make a trade and time is of the essence.

[more anti-semitic crap]

For the record: Fuck you, roach!

We wrestle not against flesh and blood, Fatty, but against principalities, against the rulers of darkness, against spiritual wickedness in high places. The state of Israel is backed by Satan and everybody knows it.




@BMB You see?



3945. Post 13701917 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on January 28, 2016, 09:16:23 AM
So kiddies, let's review:

What are the elements of a four punch raid?

Crash (to $352)? check
Bounce? check
pause? check
Spike (to $428)? check
second bounce (at $371)? check

so what's left? oh, that's right. A gradual loss of all upward momentum leading to the next crash.



I really don't want to have to strap on my moon suit but i usually trade against whatever sentiment is in this thread.

Now i'll have to buy!

You're welcome to borrow my fiat to buy on margin. I think there's still a little left at ~40% APR.

suckers.

What's the point of the insult? Bitch.

Do I have to fucking spell it out? I'll try to use small words so you morons can understand. I make money no matter which way the market goes because there is ~$25 Million in margin longs on BFX all the time. That jacks the dollar funding rate to 5-10X the BTC lending rate.

The only risk I have to worry about is BFX disappearing with all my money, and traders have that same risk in addition to exchange rate going against them.

It's not a generic insult. It's a specific insult to people who don't know how to trade but worse than that think there isn't anything to know that they don't already know. I can deal with stupid peoiple. I do it all the time every day. What is most unpleasant to deal with is stupid people who don't know they're stupid. Those are the people I really enjoy watching suffer.

It wasn't an accident that I got in in 2011 and you didn't. I'm smarter than you. If you don't agree, keep pumping and prove me wrong. If you can.



3946. Post 13707444 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 28, 2016, 08:14:36 PM
Who has been holding from $502, $475, $465, and $428? 

When are you gonna sell? at $350? 300? 200?

Price can't go up because transaction volume can't go up. It's that simple, so unless you know about some secret deal between core, nodes and miners to increase capacity, enjoy watching the value of your holdings slowly deteriorate.
Segregated Witness  Cool

Unless they hard fork "Segregated Witness  Cool" + 2MB they gonna get pummeled.

Too little too late.

Better luck next time.



3947. Post 13707751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 28, 2016, 08:26:59 PM
Who has been holding from $502, $475, $465, and $428? 

When are you gonna sell? at $350? 300? 200?

Price can't go up because transaction volume can't go up. It's that simple, so unless you know about some secret deal between core, nodes and miners to increase capacity, enjoy watching the value of your holdings slowly deteriorate.
Segregated Witness  Cool

Unless they hard fork "Segregated Witness  Cool" + 2MB they gonna get pummeled.

Too little too late.

Better luck next time.

why are you saying this?

bitcoin will implement Segregated Witness shortly, why not?

Sure



Quote from: adamstgBit on January 28, 2016, 08:47:01 PM
Buy BUY BUYY!!!!!!!!!

we are going to the MOOON

You fucker. You just like to see us burn.



3948. Post 13708410 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on January 28, 2016, 10:35:32 PM
let me say it again


 less than 380, NEVER AGAIN.



I feel like maybe you haven't been paying attention to the fact that the community has been tearing itself to pieces like a mental patient on bath salts?

everyone can see as clear as day there is some power struggle with bitcoin dev. and the solution to block limit is hard to see.
i'm not / no one is denying that
the speculations that bitcoin is about to fork as a result, and the dire consequences that ensue,  are largely exaggerated.
so what, the big picture looks gr8, segwit is a huge improvement, MUCH better solution then simply upping the limit.
and to me the fact that "the community has been tearing itself to pieces like a mental patient on bath salts." is just fucking bullish...

yep, and I know who my money is on in this game ... it will be the cypherpunks and cryptogeeks who built this thing and truly understand its subtle nuances and well-balanced incentive structures rather the CoinBase brian armstrong's R3 Hearn's and sundry govt toady boot-licker johnny-come-latelys who want a new PayPal for Big Bruh data-harvesting and black-listing.

the cypherpunks have more tricks up their sleeves in regards to hard forking POW, sybill attacks than you have half heard about ... if these wiener VCs and guvcorpro-bully boyz want a fork intrigue over this they better show up well prepared ... it's not about the money, it's about sending a message, choose your team wisely.

So you`re siding with Gavin? Well I`ll be...



3949. Post 13708564 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on January 28, 2016, 10:48:33 PM

everyone can see as clear as day there is some power struggle with bitcoin dev. and the solution to block limit is hard to see.
i'm not / no one is denying that
the speculations that bitcoin is about to fork as a result, and the dire consequences that ensue,  are largely exaggerated.
so what, the big picture looks gr8, segwit is a huge improvement, MUCH better solution then simply upping the limit.
and to me the fact that "the community has been tearing itself to pieces like a mental patient on bath salts." is just fucking bullish...

yep, and I know who my money is on in this game ... it will be the cypherpunks and cryptogeeks who built this thing and truly understand its subtle nuances and well-balanced incentive structures rather the CoinBase brian armstrong's R3 Hearn's and sundry govt toady boot-licker johnny-come-latelys who want a new PayPal for Big Bruh data-harvesting and black-listing.

the cypherpunks have more tricks up their sleeves in regards to hard forking POW, sybill attacks than you have half heard about ... if these wiener VCs and guvcorpro-bully boyz want a fork intrigue over this they better show up well prepared ... it's not about the money, it's about sending a message, choose your team wisely.

So you`re siding with Gavin? Well I`ll be...

you're probably too late an arrival to know up from down ... let's just say Gavin crapped in the nest, he was a useful steward and clean-cut kind face for Big Brah when bitcoin needed to front the first media shitstorms but now he's just embarassing himself amongst the adults. Satoshi knows and you do not want to be on the fork satoshi dumps on ...

Relax. Just teasing.

As an old-timer, how would you say Gavin crapped in the nest?



3950. Post 13708572 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: ImI on January 28, 2016, 11:02:46 PM
Looks like segwit will need to be hard forked. That should finally bring this issue to a close.

why? just combine it with a 2MB hardfork and everybody is happy.

Agree 100%. Put yer gunz down and fork this here shit!



3951. Post 13708580 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: coins101 on January 28, 2016, 11:10:28 PM
Looks like segwit will need to be hard forked. That should finally bring this issue to a close.

why? just combine it with a 2MB hardfork and everybody is happy.

Because segwit will need a hard fork is exactly the reason why the uncertainty over increasing the blocksize will be over soon.  

We will soon enter political negotiations between the main camps where they will horse trade a 'peace' deal which will result in unity, therefore bringing things to a head.

Yah...one problem. They're all nerds. Do you know what that means?



3952. Post 13708919 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: coins101 on January 28, 2016, 11:14:39 PM
Looks like segwit will need to be hard forked. That should finally bring this issue to a close.

why? just combine it with a 2MB hardfork and everybody is happy.

Because segwit will need a hard fork is exactly the reason why the uncertainty over increasing the blocksize will be over soon.  

We will soon enter political negotiations between the main camps where they will horse trade a 'peace' deal which will result in unity, therefore bringing things to a head.

Yah...one problem. They're all nerds. Do you know what that means?

They will still manage to fuck up a potential deal by talking about details leading to them falling out over something else, delaying things for so long we will need a 50mb block size increase?

DING!! DING!! DING!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!



3953. Post 13709142 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):


Dafuq adam

Fuck sakes



3954. Post 13712601 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):


Another dead cat bounce?

How many lives does this cat have left?



3955. Post 13712648 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 29, 2016, 10:47:12 AM
Who's in bed with who again Fatty?

You idiot! It's obvious that this is one og Hearns and Gavins ploys to destroy Bitcoin! Don't be so naive!



3956. Post 13712695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: cbeast on January 29, 2016, 10:49:15 AM

Another dead cat bounce?

How many lives does this cat have left?

google search "bitcointalk.org dead cat bounce"
About 6,780 results (0.55 seconds)

Hmmm... 6780 lives. Cats will take over the world. It will be like the human farms in The Matrix, except they will be milking cows. So... there will be a lot of farms. It will be like Wales. OMG! Welsh people are cats! That explains their freaky language! They're purring!

Mind->Blown



3957. Post 13712937 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: m0gliE on January 29, 2016, 11:02:38 AM

Another dead cat bounce?

How many lives does this cat have left?

google search "bitcointalk.org dead cat bounce"
About 6,780 results (0.55 seconds)

Funny, I had only 2,550 results... Seems not everyone has the same Google  Angry

Their numbers are decreasing rapidly. They must strike NOW!!!

Meanwhile at the PwC/Blockstream meeting:




"So, we can funnel all the traffic through PwC-servers with something called The Lightning Network?"




3958. Post 13713382 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Stole this from Masterluc's thread:

Quote from: jehst on January 29, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/M4BdmB6G-30m-ew-count-btcchina/

"Market at start of wave 3 of (3) of primary 3 of cycle III"

Translation: Strongest wave, of the strongest wave, of the strongest wave, of the strongest wave.

The Master left because the time for daytrading is over. This is it. This is what we've all been waiting for.




3959. Post 13714430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 29, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
nothing will happen it will go hit 400 and back down to 385 and then kinda flat line at 395

hey adam, did you wrote the first post or did you bought the account?

how is the mood or your girlfirend?

Hey

this is adam long time bitcoin user holder speculator.

I can sell you physical coins that have a mini public / priavte key pair, i got them from Casascius back in the day.

this account has never been bought / sold and never will be.

and despite what poeple here say,  mostly all my calls have paid off well, if you subscribed to Bitmovments in 2013--2014 i motivated you to buy every dip, till Oct-Nov. and said sell at ~800.

I've decided to make bit movements open to everyone this year, which has encouraged buys below 400, called the trend reversal, and is now calling bottom.

I feel like shit this morning thanks for asking, coming down with a cold,  my GF is fucking awesome she's giving me a blow job tonight!



Are you sure it's not...





3960. Post 13714495 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 29, 2016, 02:40:53 PM
nothing will happen it will go hit 400 and back down to 385 and then kinda flat line at 395

hey adam, did you wrote the first post or did you bought the account?

how is the mood or your girlfirend?

Hey

this is adam long time bitcoin user holder speculator.

I can sell you physical coins that have a mini public / priavte key pair, i got them from Casascius back in the day.

this account has never been bought / sold and never will be.

and despite what poeple here say,  mostly all my calls have paid off well, if you subscribed to Bitmovments in 2013--2014 i motivated you to buy every dip, till Oct-Nov. and said sell at ~800.

I've decided to make bit movements open to everyone this year, which has encouraged buys below 400, called the trend reversal, and is now calling bottom.

I feel like shit this morning thanks for asking, coming down with a cold,  my GF is fucking awesome she's giving me a blow job tonight!



Are you sure it's not...




its more like

srsly shes nuts! its fun i like it, better then cassandra Tongue

Cue BMB:




3961. Post 13714559 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 29, 2016, 02:51:55 PM
I can't wait for segwit, 4x more capacity is going to make breathing much easier, and with segwit a 2MB block is effectively 8MB, throw in some more optimizations and we are ready for what's coming.

>4x more capacity
Not 1.7x?
not sure i saw it advertised as 4x

i guess it depends on the TX, making TX anywhere from 1.7 - 4x smaller is one hell of an improvement tho.

According to Bitcoin.org

"Is the segregated witness soft fork equivalent to a 4MB block size increase, a 2MB increase, a 1.75MB increase, or what? I keep hearing different numbers.

The current proposal for soft fork segregated witness (segwit) counts each byte in a witness as 0.25 bytes towards the maximum block size limit, meaning the maximum size of a block is just under 4MB.

However, blocks are not expected to consist entirely of witness data and each non-witness byte is counted as 1.00 bytes towards the maximum block size limit, so blocks near 4MB in size would be unlikely.

According to some calculations performed by Anthony Towns, a block filled with standard single-signature P2PKH transactions would be about 1.6MB and a block filled with 2-of-2 multisignature transactions would be about 2.0MB."



3962. Post 13714866 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: Divitiae miserae on January 29, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
https://stampery.com/ - free notery service

just throwing this out there, the blockchain really is useful.
*notary service

Public notaries exist for *legal* reasons. A *court* has to accept the notarization as valid.
Start learning here Smiley

lol you really think Courts aren't going to accept blockchain tech?

LOL

Until then it's not a notary service.

Looks like a lot of people are going to get conned by ethereum-based services this way. People don't understand that an "agreement" isn't worth shit if it's not enforceable.




3963. Post 13715089 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on January 29, 2016, 03:30:46 PM
https://stampery.com/ - free notery service

just throwing this out there, the blockchain really is useful.
*notary service

Public notaries exist for *legal* reasons. A *court* has to accept the notarization as valid.
Start learning here Smiley

lol you really think Courts aren't going to accept blockchain tech?

LOL

Until then it's not a notary service.

Looks like a lot of people are going to get conned by ethereum-based services this way. People don't understand that an "agreement" isn't worth shit if it's not enforceable.




ethereum is a programing lang. that you use to move BTC or LTC or ETH around, and there is no single server that runs the code, the network is the runtime environment, its kinda wacky, but in a way reminds me of skynet.

the best app on ETH right now is some provably fair pyramid schemes, i guess, should look into that.

Is this a correction or are you going JJG on us? I think the "going to get conned" bit implies somewhere in the future.



3964. Post 13715102 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: bargainbin on January 29, 2016, 03:46:56 PM
...
I go by bitstamp and so far in this most recent explosive implosive outburst, we've only seen a low of $363.73, and because of my own logistical issues, I was only able to buy a little more at $368.
...

Corrected so Fatman won't tear his hair out.

I don't read JJG much more, too much hair lost to that guy.



3965. Post 13715111 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: barbs on January 29, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
How can you guys justify a wild swing upwards at this point past 500$ŋ



3966. Post 13716132 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: gentlemand on January 29, 2016, 05:27:37 PM

An ever decreasing supply of BTC being the only way to get money out of Gox.

What of the China factor? I can't imagine plenty of them even knew what Gox was. Gox's market share steadily slipped away during the run. Dunno if that was down to being crap in general or whether people had finally wised up.

Really, Gentlemand?

Don't you know anything about Bitcoin?

Chinese people adopting Bitcoin->Boring->Doesn't matter

Mt.Gox Willy-bot trading with fantasy coins->Conspiracy->Must be only explanation




3967. Post 13716187 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: DieJohnny on January 29, 2016, 05:46:34 PM
My gut says sub $200 is possible......

Regular Coca Cola has a documented effect on weird tummies.



3968. Post 13716545 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: gentlemand on January 29, 2016, 06:24:06 PM


Don't you know anything about Bitcoin?

Chinese people adopting Bitcoin->Boring->Doesn't matter

Mt.Gox Willy-bot trading with fantasy coins->Conspiracy->Must be only explanation



Oh, Ok. Can you arrange for me to be sent to reeducation camp? Ideally a Blockstream one? I really, really want to fit in from now on.

Rpietila has a castle where he will tell you about the jews and the New World Order.



3969. Post 13716618 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: gentlemand on January 29, 2016, 06:30:57 PM


Rpietila has a castle where he will tell you about the jews and the New World Order.

That sounds fun. I like stories. I hope he'll tuck me in at night too. But does that follow the correct party line? I don't want to be reeducated twice. I'm getting old and I'm keen to serve.

You're to be reeducated, not sleep. I'm not sure what party line he follows but he's the right brand of crazy. And when it comes down to it, that's all you really need.



3970. Post 13718162 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: Richy_T on January 29, 2016, 09:24:59 PM

Rpietila has a castle where he will tell you about the jews and the New World Order.

I thought he put that up for sale a year or two ago (which may not mean he doesn't still have it)

He bragged about it a couple of weeks ago. But as lambie said, selling castles ain't easy nowadays.

Unless some Bitcoin-loon just made a fortune by sitting on his ass, that is.



3971. Post 13718346 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: inca on January 29, 2016, 10:00:05 PM
Maybe Peter Todd isn't actually the vermin his online reputation would suggest.

 Grin

The Blockchain stunt to promote RBF was still a shitty thing to do.



3972. Post 13718832 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: becoin on January 29, 2016, 10:43:12 PM
Maybe Peter Todd isn't actually the vermin his online reputation would suggest.

 Grin

The Blockchain stunt to promote RBF was still a shitty thing to do.
RBF is a very good solution. There must be competition for blockchain inclusion. You can offer your own idea. If you can't, then stfu.

I wasn't commenting on the merits of RBF.



3973. Post 13718850 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: Tzupy on January 29, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
IMO crash got delayed... Made me close my short at a small profit... I hope I won't wake up tomorrow at 300$. Roll Eyes

I'm not comfortable atm. Bitcoin is moody today. OTOH, The Mother Of All Pumps was announced today, so I'll dream about that.



3974. Post 13718953 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):


A little lullaby for you anarcap nutters out there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NKKOp-11bw



3975. Post 13719515 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 30, 2016, 01:00:16 AM
Meanwhile at the PwC/Blockstream meeting:



"So, we can funnel all the traffic through PwC-servers with something called The Lightning Network?"

Blockstream isn't selling its soul to PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Rather, it is PwC that is selling its soul to the blockchain.  It's their Come To Jesus moment, wherein they seek forgiveness and redemption.

PwC knows which way the wind is blowing; it's blowing in the direction of davout's famous maxim.

The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".  -davout

Yet there you are, trying to spin the new era of sane/transparent/honest Big Four accounting as some sort of deal with the devil.

Are you mad Bitcoin (resplendent in triumph) is being used for world-changing heavy lifting as Satoshi intended, instead of yet another trivial retail payment rail disruption?   Grin

I guess you have to turn to humour with so much fail.



3976. Post 13731486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on January 31, 2016, 02:21:22 AM
There's really only two outcomes without a higher or removed max block size: stagnation or network congestion failure. 

Like you don't need a gun to kill an ant, you don't need bitcoin to buy your damned coffee. Bitcoin is for gentlemen's transactions. Capisc?

As this block size debate clearly shows: gentlemen don't use Bitcoin.



3977. Post 13732798 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):


Terry Wogan died, take a look at the norwegian headline: "Terry "Norway Zero points" Wogan er død"

http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Terry-Norway-Zero-points-Wogan-er-dod-8339241.html



3978. Post 13733098 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on January 31, 2016, 01:39:07 PM
Why is dogecoin going to the moon  Angry

'Cause when every crypto is stupid you go with the stupid crypto



3979. Post 13733390 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: blunderer on January 31, 2016, 02:08:19 PM
@BMB: Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

I can't decide if my post was more insubstantial or off-topic. :-

Stand in that corner and think about it, while other [better] children giggle.

P.S. Thought upon reading wachtwoord's post: we really should start sucking each others' dicks complimenting each other more often. In public.

Yeah, people who can't appreciate such an intelligence tour de force as: "...ignorant Gavinista fuckwit ramblings..." really should sit down and reconsider their hostile and preconceived attitudes towards the beauty of the enlightened mind.



3980. Post 13738023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: ImI on February 01, 2016, 12:27:54 AM

this bitcoin coldwar is heating up and may soon escalate with all dirty tricks including ddos, hacks and mass media interviews etc

i suggest 50% bitcoin /  50% altcoins as hedge

Alts are done pumping. They're dropping faster than Bitcoin.



3981. Post 13741405 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on February 01, 2016, 11:11:12 AM
The problem is from miners, they dont accept it, and the miners control bitcoin...

Add to your "problem" what node-runners want:

Bitcoin Nodes (Core, XT, Unlimited, Classic) https://coin.dance/nodes/share 


Economic democracy Wink

Bitcoin Classic isn't released yet.



3982. Post 13750517 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: koryu on February 02, 2016, 08:31:58 AM
Hashrate:   1,013,412,197 GH/s   Shocked


= 13 exaflops

Most powerful supercomputer in the world: Tianhe-2 = 0.034 exaflops



3983. Post 13752468 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

CCMF!!!



3984. Post 13753999 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.42h):

Quote from: coins101 on February 02, 2016, 01:06:36 PM

As a non American I don't really care about Obama policy  Grin

But Obama cares about you so very much. We are all his children.

Do you have founding father pissed off and left me alone issues?

Satoshi is watching and we are his wayward children. No need to adopt a fairy tale father figure.

Are you telling me Obama isn't real?

Quote from: LMGTFY on February 02, 2016, 01:14:55 PM

As a non American I don't really care about Obama policy  Grin

But Obama cares about you so very much. We are all his children.

Do you have founding father pissed off and left me alone issues?

Satoshi is watching and we are his wayward children. No need to adopt a fairy tale father figure.

I don't think we have that kind of choice. Well, maybe some countries do but here in the UK it's pretty much written into our unwritten constitution that the US President is the father we wished we had. Unlike the mother we actually have, who is alright in a regal sort of way, but you probably wouldn't vote for her unless the only other option was that creepy uncle all the kids avoid at family parties.

Like her son?

Quote from: Dotto on February 02, 2016, 03:01:24 PM
google:

site:bitcointalk.org aztecminer marshallīs pump About 63.000.000 results (0,44 seconds)


Baaaaahaaaahaaaaa!!!!!



3985. Post 13762600 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


Looks like someone flashed a Superdump signal on finex.



HOLD ON TO YOUR NUTZ/LABIAZ!!!







3986. Post 13765534 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: ahpku on February 03, 2016, 05:36:32 PM

Been brewing for awhile...


I seem to remember they started talking about this in 2014.

http://rbth.com/business/2014/02/05/russia_becomes_the_second_country_to_ban_bitcoin_33871.html



3987. Post 13766659 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 03, 2016, 07:14:37 PM
Europe wants end to anonymous Bitcoin transactions

Money-laundering powers seen as crimp on terror funds if virtual currencies offer (unlikely) help
3 Feb 2016 at 07:18, Simon Sharwood

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/03/ec_virtual_currency_regulation_suggestion/



Yup. No risk whatsoever.

I think you should move to Russia and preach the gospel of Monero.

How can you lose?




3988. Post 13768122 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


Looks like BTC-E has lost faith as well.

Oh well...



Brace yourself?



3989. Post 13774064 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: souspeed on February 04, 2016, 02:16:07 PM
So who is running classic?

Waiting for binaries/release



3990. Post 13776805 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 04, 2016, 07:02:14 PM

The Curious Case of Gregory Maxwell & The Lightning Network

https://news.bitcoin.com/the-curious-case-of-gregory-maxwell-and-the-lightning-network/



The routing problem is further complicated because they don't only want to route transactions. They want to take a slice and collect a fee for doing so. This is a fee that will come directly out of the pockets of miners and will make Bitcoin less secure.

Blockstream hobbles bitcoin, gives it a crutch and then tries to take credit that it can walk. If Core loses their position as reference client developers, they should try a career in government.

Greg would make a pretty good banker. Why not give it a try??

Looks like he's making the same mistakes bankers made in the early 2000s as well. Introducing products he doesn't understand and/or doesn't understand the consequences of.



3991. Post 13781081 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: spiderbrain on February 05, 2016, 02:45:47 AM
I went to a psychic today, based on what the cards said on Bitcoin here is a summary:

Core will increase the block size because they will lose control if they don't.
Block size increase will bump the price only slightly, maybe 20%
Halving pump already happened.
Next big run up won't happen until capitulation from the last pump.. I think we will see BTC-E flash crash in September to $209.
Then we rise up to above $500 to stay.
Next big wave isn't for another two years... we will get back over $1k eventually but all of you holders will likely be shaken out before we do.

Ha, that's what you think! I was actually seeing my astral projection service provider at the time and she psychically took over your psychic and made them say that so that you would sell all your coins to me for cheap. Beware of using outdated APIs, sucker!



3992. Post 13782971 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Andre# on February 05, 2016, 10:48:18 AM
The only sneaky shills around here are people like you trying to undermine bitcoin with your garbage alt coin promotion. But, try as you like (and you certainly do), you will fail utterly and fortunately.

You're fkn retarded.  By your logic you're not even using Bitcoin, and none of us are.  We're all using an altcoin that just happens to ALSO be named Bitcoin.


What kind of mumbo-jumbo are you spewing? And so you resort to insults. Typical, from half-wits like you.

It seems as though in your world a HF to increase the block size limit makes it an altcoin.  If we take that as truth, then Bitcoin ceased to be "true" Bitcoin and became an altcoin when the block cap was originally put in place.

Effectively using your argument to promote Core over Classic is arguing for one shitcoin over another, and we left Bitcoin behind ages ago.





Wow. That was a bit of a stretch!   Grin


Was it? I think it was spot on.


You're right.

It was spot on toilet paper.

spot on
/dʒ/

adjective & adverb BRITISH informal

completely accurate or accurately.
"your reviews are spot on"

synonyms:   accurate, correct, right, perfect, exact, unerring, so as to hit the nail on the head;

Oh. OK.

I thought you were referring to the fact it was a spot on toilet paper.

No, that fact only existed in your imagination. Perhaps you need reading glasses. Dunno.


Admit it Andre#, nothing beats a poop joke.

Any attempt to save Bitcoin from being completely and utterly destroyed would be in vain after this.



3993. Post 13783441 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: orpington on February 05, 2016, 11:43:35 AM
The only sneaky shills around here are people like you trying to undermine bitcoin with your garbage alt coin promotion. But, try as you like (and you certainly do), you will fail utterly and fortunately.

You're fkn retarded.  By your logic you're not even using Bitcoin, and none of us are.  We're all using an altcoin that just happens to ALSO be named Bitcoin.


What kind of mumbo-jumbo are you spewing? And so you resort to insults. Typical, from half-wits like you.

It seems as though in your world a HF to increase the block size limit makes it an altcoin.  If we take that as truth, then Bitcoin ceased to be "true" Bitcoin and became an altcoin when the block cap was originally put in place.

Effectively using your argument to promote Core over Classic is arguing for one shitcoin over another, and we left Bitcoin behind ages ago.





Wow. That was a bit of a stretch!   Grin


Was it? I think it was spot on.


You're right.

It was spot on toilet paper.

spot on
/dʒ/

adjective & adverb BRITISH informal

completely accurate or accurately.
"your reviews are spot on"

synonyms:   accurate, correct, right, perfect, exact, unerring, so as to hit the nail on the head;

Oh. OK.

I thought you were referring to the fact it was a spot on toilet paper.

No, that fact only existed in your imagination. Perhaps you need reading glasses. Dunno.


Admit it Andre#, nothing beats a poop joke.

Any attempt to save Bitcoin from being completely and utterly destroyed would be in vain after this.

Andre# has a rather poor sense of humor. Maybe he's a little spot on too!  Grin

He didn't laugh, so I'd say his sense of humor is... spotless?
 



3994. Post 13786375 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


Fired up a new node with Bitcoin Classic.

Only 7 years and 4 weeks behind.



3995. Post 13787104 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 05, 2016, 06:58:10 PM

Fired up a new node with Bitcoin Classic.

Only 7 years and 4 weeks behind.

Do you really want this fork to find 75% of the hash, Fatty? I'm still torn.

It's just a node, it's not hashing.

I definitely am having trouble agreeing with the way Core is letting a small group of nutters set the tone and direction of their development. I've seen this before. Nobody thinks the rest will let the more shouty ones ruin the project, but none of the others have the nuts/labias to draw the line. They will keep compromizing and rationalizing until we have 0.5MB JeebusCoin. Maybe with HSBC or JPMorgan or similar running LN. It's an interesting model, but in order to maintain a fairly secure mining network the fees would have to be insane on the main blochchain. The problem then is: what will happen to the social capital? If the regular users are pushed off the main chain why would they run nodes to support what in essence is a distributed banking network? So financial actors would have to run the nodes. Is it decentralized then? What was the point of the block size limit then? Suddenly we are to imagine that the large financial actors want gimp-coin? It all kind of falls apart.

I don't think Gmaxwell or Luke-Jr are necessarily aiming for this. They seem to have an estethical idea of how the network technically should work. That can be a good thing in many cases, but it can also lead them astray.



3996. Post 13789836 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):



Why is it that core supporters end up having a complete tard-out?

Am I being manipulated to support alternative implementations through the fake unpleasantness of supposed Core supporters?



3997. Post 13793972 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Tzupy on February 06, 2016, 01:20:28 PM
I would like to see a proper, hold onto your hats, wtf is this, holy M"Ģ)ĢIKJSADFer! crash - it has been a while !

Patience, it will come... The market just needs some bad news as an excuse to start it.

Like say, segwit is delayed and the 2MB blocks fork won't happen?

Hmmmm..... so what exchange would you recommend for leverage?



3998. Post 13794674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on February 06, 2016, 02:34:37 PM
Of course. Central planning has proven to be the superior economic method. The free (not fee) market is so overrated.

Free market is not free shit.



That's not for you to decide.

It can be.

Nodes offer their services for free, so you've got free shit right there.



3999. Post 13796069 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


where's dev



4000. Post 13798734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):





4001. Post 13798854 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 06, 2016, 10:32:30 PM
I literally have no idea what you people are talking about.




me neither



4002. Post 13799140 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 06, 2016, 11:10:53 PM
"The lines cross and omg! catastrophe happens" is the sophisticated wrapper around the bullshit argument "nobody goes there any more because it is too popular".

If you think the world has enough Bitcoin users as things stand today, you have a point. If you think that use of Bitcoin growing by a factor of more than several dozen percent is desirable, then your point is ridiculous.

I don't think either of those things, you have just presented a false dichotomy, albeit shoddily constructed, that advances the debate by zero percent.

I was just pointing out the totally false and misleading argumentation of this whole "the lines cross omg! catastrophe" bullshit that your best friend Mike Hearn started. You know that guy that did famously well out of bitcoin, made him wealthy, got him out of a failed marriage and landed a cushy gig advising mega-banks and stabbed bitcoiners in the back without a thought of gratitude.

u r mad

The guy tried his best to help fix a problem and was treated as shit for it. So he spoke his mind, made a clean cut and moved out of Bitcoin. I think it's best not to think of who stabbed who in the back.

(cushy job? the dude came from Google. not exactly IT backwaters)



4003. Post 13799538 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: blunderer on February 06, 2016, 11:52:50 PM
... let the DDOSing begin now that techignorati who use binaries because they can't build from source are wandering stupidly into the badlands. tally-ho

I remember the pang of pride I felt building a an executable from source. Wait... no i don't.

"Source code is out there" is code for: this thing is only half-baked

Quote
Fatman, watch my people savage a harmless MiG 15, https://youtu.be/RTAR9YpQNek?list=WL&t=546  If you ever loved anything mechanical, your heart will break.

кpyтo



4004. Post 13802368 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: yefi on February 07, 2016, 07:53:35 AM
The guy tried his best to help fix a problem and was treated as shit for it.

Maybe he should have tried harder to write some actual code.


It doesn't seem like our current conundrum is due to a lack of code.

Quote from: orpington on February 07, 2016, 03:39:52 AM
I am genuinely looking forward to seeing what response you, brg444, icebreaker, hdbuck et al. provide for our entertainment if the network actually forks to classic and no disaster occurs. All that brazen supercilious venom spewed over the last year with potentially nothing to show for haha.

Smiley

I'm glad you're finding it hilarious. I don't. Because I invested non-trivial portion of my portfolio into Bitcoin and I'd hate it all to go "poof!" if a hostile hard fork backfires and the net DOES split into two. Are you willing to bet ALL your BTC that this has a zero chance of happening? I would not be so sure.

Still got time to cut your loose Cheesy
*Not much tho, look at them Classic nodes springing up! Like mushrooms after an autumn rain Smiley

Actually, those classic nodes are more like fungus spreading on the corpses of XT/unlimited nodes.  Grin

So we agree that Bitcoin Classic is a kind of fungus. I guess that's progress.



4005. Post 13802459 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: orpington on February 07, 2016, 10:15:51 AM
The guy tried his best to help fix a problem and was treated as shit for it.

Maybe he should have tried harder to write some actual code.


It doesn't seem like our current conundrum is due to a lack of code.

I am genuinely looking forward to seeing what response you, brg444, icebreaker, hdbuck et al. provide for our entertainment if the network actually forks to classic and no disaster occurs. All that brazen supercilious venom spewed over the last year with potentially nothing to show for haha.

Smiley

I'm glad you're finding it hilarious. I don't. Because I invested non-trivial portion of my portfolio into Bitcoin and I'd hate it all to go "poof!" if a hostile hard fork backfires and the net DOES split into two. Are you willing to bet ALL your BTC that this has a zero chance of happening? I would not be so sure.

Still got time to cut your loose Cheesy
*Not much tho, look at them Classic nodes springing up! Like mushrooms after an autumn rain Smiley

Actually, those classic nodes are more like fungus spreading on the corpses of XT/unlimited nodes.  Grin

So we agree that Bitcoin Classic is a kind of fungus. I guess that's progress.

Yes. All fungi have a certain role to play in any given ecosystem.


Careful, you're turning Gavinista now.



4006. Post 13802520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: orpington on February 07, 2016, 10:26:35 AM
I am genuinely looking forward to seeing what response you, brg444, icebreaker, hdbuck et al. provide for our entertainment if the network actually forks to classic and no disaster occurs. All that brazen supercilious venom spewed over the last year with potentially nothing to show for haha.

Smiley

I'm glad you're finding it hilarious. I don't. Because I invested non-trivial portion of my portfolio into Bitcoin and I'd hate it all to go "poof!" if a hostile hard fork backfires and the net DOES split into two. Are you willing to bet ALL your BTC that this has a zero chance of happening? I would not be so sure.

Still got time to cut your loose Cheesy
*Not much tho, look at them Classic nodes springing up! Like mushrooms after an autumn rain Smiley

Actually, those classic nodes are more like fungus spreading on the corpses of XT/unlimited nodes.  Grin

So we agree that Bitcoin Classic is a kind of fungus. I guess that's progress.

Yes. All fungi have a certain role to play in any given ecosystem.


Careful, you're turning Gavinista now.
No. But we certainly do need mechanisms for the removal of decay whatever that might be. Classic is a temporary manifestation of this and it does serve a certain perhaps obscure purpose for sure.

Agree 100%



4007. Post 13804202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: danielW on February 07, 2016, 01:24:10 PM
Why does anybody push this crazy chaotic, contencious (75% 28 days) hard-fork when we have a far superior solution in segwit.

Could everybody please chill and not belive the FUD about capacity cliff. Bitcoin doing as good as ever.

Because, just maybe, they dont share your blind faith?



Blind faith in what, Gavin?  You think Segwit wont be implemented? Its already running on testnet and wallet developers are working with core devs to integrate. Most wallet devs said its relatively simple.


That statement is just waffle.  Capacity and segwit are 2 different issues. Are you saying segwit is a capacity solution? I'm sure that will be news to its developers as they wrote it to solve a very different problem set.

Or are you suggesting that it is a capacity solution by virtue of its radical reformatting of block structure, and that that is in some way less risky than the 2Mb bump?

How do you feel about the segwit kludge of pushing its commitment into the coinbase tx? You ok with that design approach?  What was the motivation for it? Expediency, efficiency or just so that they would not have to sell segwit as an evil HF?
 

Segwit gives the same capacity increase as your hard-fork, if thats not a capacity solution that how is hard fork capacity solution?

Its much better tho as its a soft-fork and gives many other improvements. Among them it fixes malleability which is needed for much better capacity increases down the line. The hard-fork offers nothing in that department.

It doesn't give the same capacity increases even in the best case scenario, which would be if everyone adopted it straight away. And that would only happen if it was launched as a hard fork. I hope for at least 1.3MB straight off the bat, but that might be optimistic.



4008. Post 13804958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: nanobrain on February 07, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
Christ....I remember when this thread was about walls, trading, speculation and general 'doom' or 'moon'...now its just page after page of people talking incomprehensible blockchain bollox and petty politics.

There has always been some sort of crisis threatening the very existence of BTC, get used to it.

So, all the bed-wetters getting worked up about this: you do realise there are entire sections of this site devoted to these topics.  Perhaps you could all fuck off to those pages and stop boring everyone me to tears with your endless segwit, hardfork fuckwittery.

You just drop in every six months to tell us we're a bunch of assholes. We know! We're trying to improve ourselves! Don't we sound cleverererer now?



4009. Post 13806215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


That's a lot of VanillaIce these last couple of pages. Looks like the bullies are getting nervous.



4010. Post 13809288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on February 07, 2016, 10:25:21 PM
You can't win, smallblockers. It doesn't matter who you DDoS or what other dirty tricks you pull, when the market tanks, the miners will switch to big block code.

...or to a more FUD-resistant coin. Mission accomplished.


Just stop your FUD then and embrace the love of the pah-wraits.



4011. Post 13812902 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Elwar on February 08, 2016, 09:18:22 AM
http://xtnodes.com/ classic crashed and burned already ... oh well should be good for everybody.

Quests of futility can be character building and educational for those less fortunate in the mettle and brains departments.

Second most used wallet, after just being released (is it officially released yet?) does not sound like "crashed and burned".

It's a Beta 2 release with binaries but still without mining support. So, no. It's not released yet.



4012. Post 13813776 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: danielW on February 08, 2016, 11:43:20 AM
Unfortunately classic is not quite dead yet.

When it is and the threat of chaotic, contentious and unnecessary (segwit is superior) hard fork is over, we can all look forward to a massive price increase (like move from 230->450 after xt collapse) and bitcoin moving forward.

These bombing runs from Gavin and coinbase are getting tiring.

I doubt they will be able to centralise bitcoin development under their control.

I admire your willingness to stick the script after being so thoroughly undressed and smacked down in this thread. Kudos.



4013. Post 13813830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: matrix zion on February 08, 2016, 11:56:41 AM
Unfortunately classic is not quite dead yet.

When it is and the threat of chaotic, contentious and unnecessary (segwit is superior) hard fork is over, we can all look forward to a massive price increase (like move from 230->450 after xt collapse) and bitcoin moving forward.

These bombing runs from Gavin and coinbase are getting tiring.

I doubt they will be able to centralise bitcoin development under their control.

Why unfortunately? Isn't it always good to have different possibilities? you never know what might happen Wink

I personnally support all the coins! Classic, Core, Litecoin...

It's precisely because Bitcoin Classic isn't an alt they all go mental.



4014. Post 13814027 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: danielW on February 08, 2016, 12:17:25 PM
Unfortunately classic is not quite dead yet.

When it is and the threat of chaotic, contentious and unnecessary (segwit is superior) hard fork is over, we can all look forward to a massive price increase (like move from 230->450 after xt collapse) and bitcoin moving forward.

These bombing runs from Gavin and coinbase are getting tiring.

I doubt they will be able to centralise bitcoin development under their control.

Why unfortunately? Isn't it always good to have different possibilities? you never know what might happen Wink

I personnally support all the coins! Classic, Core, Litecoin...

It's precisely because Bitcoin Classic isn't an alt they all go mental.

No its because I want bitcoin development lead by people who:

 value decetralisation, provide features like confidential transactions etc.

as opposed to people who:

visit cia, join organisations that want to work with government to police bitcoin, float ideas like blacklists of transactions, and do not care about ordinary node users etc.


I don't want bitcoin to be crippled by these people into paypal 2.0 (except slower)

What you said doesn't negate what I said. It reinforces it.



4015. Post 13815212 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: tomothy on February 08, 2016, 02:36:03 PM
ps: why cant the 21m not be changed via a segwit like soft fork?
Decided to invest in something really solid. Sold all my BTC and bought viacoin.

Baaaaaahaaaaahhaaaa!!!!!

BtcDrak and Peter Todds altcoin??

Please tell me you're joking!?!?!




4016. Post 13815643 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: ImI on February 08, 2016, 03:22:13 PM

Hum so, basically you just go for anything strangers tells you to, putting literally YOUR money at risk at every corner??! just wow. Undecided


No, that is called "Supporting Core".

And its not YOUR money anymore - Its AXA/Horizons. So be careful you dont get it grubby with your filthy hands before they can collect it via LN.

Thank You.

Don’t forget Moneta. Whatever the hell they are. Undecided
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305286.msg13810512#msg13810512


i wouldnt go hysterical over that. the community can fork to 2MB, core follows and everybody is happy. classic is not even close when it comes to further development.

I sort of agree, but I am curious to see what happens in the Core camp when they realize they're working for an alt implementation. May be enough defections for there to be no need to turn back.



4017. Post 13815967 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

@BMB Don't worry, we are both merely wet farts in the sewers.



4018. Post 13816341 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 08, 2016, 04:27:37 PM
Unfortunately classic is not quite dead yet.

When it is and the threat of chaotic, contentious and unnecessary (segwit is superior) hard fork is over, we can all look forward to a massive price increase (like move from 230->450 after xt collapse) and bitcoin moving forward.

These bombing runs from Gavin and coinbase are getting tiring.

I doubt they will be able to centralise bitcoin development under their control.

Lighten up Francis!

Bitcoin's antifragility only grows stronger when presented with adversity.

And the stampeding herds of noisy Gavinista Lolcows are more comedy than adversity.

Coinbase and Gavin@TLA.MIT.GOV have now spent over a year bloviating about Capacity Crunches, Hard Landings, etc.  

Result?  Honey Badger just don't care.   Cool

OMG! The USG is controlling Wladimir van der Laan as well. Looks like Bitcoin Unlimited is the only viable choice. Thx aRSEBREAKER!



4019. Post 13816378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 08, 2016, 04:40:25 PM
Classic is just Core with at 2mb block size limit and a governance coup that will alienate our best devs.

FTFY.

And don't forget 2mb blocks + segwit hurts decentralization (because of bandwidth/storage constraints).

Your post failed to mention segwit.  Why is that?
...

Nah, it doesn't hurt decentralization iCICLE, don't just parrot the shit said by grownups (whose boots you're forced to lick due to your string of "unfortunate" investments)

Don't be so hard on him. He wised up. Just look at how he's all down with Monero. They say it's the esperanto of cryptocurrencies.



4020. Post 13816757 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 08, 2016, 05:16:58 PM
That's why I say, only if that is the change.

Frankly I don't understand why it would need many coders or time to change a line of code from 1mb to 2mb. I can do it quickly, just give me an hour, grep and vi.

I don't want to support a hard fork that does anything but the block size change. Throwing in last minute changes along with it is similar to politicians throwing in their shitty little laws here and there with major laws that everyone supports.

There are indeed more changes to Classic than you are implying... There necessarily has to be because simply changing maxBlockSize from 1,000,000 bytes to 2,000,000 bytes would be dangerously irresponsible and introduce new attack vectors.

Here is a list of the changes done -

https://github.com/gavinandresen/bips/blob/92e1efd0493c1cbde47304c9711f13f413cc9099/bip-bump2mb.mediawiki

What I find most deplorable about these changes is the 75% threshold and extremely small 28 day window which goes against the miners wishes of 90% . Even Bitmain's CEO believes this is too small. Softforks require 95% mining consensus for goodness sake and they want to push through a contentious hardfork at 75%.... This is essentially a political coup.

Good points.

Sure, Classic is "just a simple 2MB patch."  And some new sigop-bothering cruft.  And a contentious hard fork, done at "75%" (variance notwithstanding) with one month for everyone to upgrade.  And a political coup.

It's very simple.  As long as you ignore the new 20k/block sigop limit, the optimally dangerous hard fork, and the core-dev-alienating governance coup.

These Gavinistas are either fucking idiots, fucking liars, or both.

Well, you are both, so what are the symptoms? And please don't start ranting about that thai "girl" and your spotted dick again. I'm pretty sure that's unrelated.



4021. Post 13818887 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on February 08, 2016, 08:29:48 PM

if kraken goes down.. we can expect a PUMP to $500 . (oops i did it again, i used "we" again, juangee gonna go into full retard again trying to figure out who i am talking about)


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I already figured it out...    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


"We" is the pet rock in your pocket.



4022. Post 13819438 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: TReano on February 08, 2016, 09:35:15 PM
Gold is up almost 15% without any noticeable pullbacks yet. This is straight connected to the dropping Stock markets. The Goldprice is a straight measure of market fear.


This is the time for bitcoin to shine like gold does. If we dump just like the stock markets do I don't see many people looking into bitcoin as a possible investment in bad times.

I think part of the market sees it as digital gold and part of it sees it as a tech stock. That should lead to head-scratching and flat.

Or extreme violence. Either way.



4023. Post 13819767 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: TReano on February 08, 2016, 10:03:29 PM
Gold is up almost 15% without any noticeable pullbacks yet. This is straight connected to the dropping Stock markets. The Goldprice is a straight measure of market fear.


This is the time for bitcoin to shine like gold does. If we dump just like the stock markets do I don't see many people looking into bitcoin as a possible investment in bad times.

I think part of the market sees it as digital gold and part of it sees it as a tech stock. That should lead to head-scratching and flat.

Or extreme violence. Either way.


Well if you are honest 99% of the people don't see a real problem with fiat money, even if you explain it to them. They simply don't care

Only that the the 99.9% haven't got any money, relatively speaking.

The 0.01% who do have the money do care.

if you say that you did not understand the system...

the upper 1% are the guys profiting from the printed money not the 99% they are forced to be poor no matter how much they work on their regular job. On top most Billionaires and Millionaires are mostly on paper rich, mainly because they have a lot of shares of something in the stock market. Like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, etc. essential every rich person super rich.

In Benjamin Grahams book "The Intelligent Investor" there were some musings on if people put their savings in a portfolio of solid household stocks instead of the bank. This way your savings will follow value creation instead of money policy. Eventually I hope Bitcoin will have a similar profile.



4024. Post 13819964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: TReano on February 08, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
Gold is up almost 15% without any noticeable pullbacks yet. This is straight connected to the dropping Stock markets. The Goldprice is a straight measure of market fear.


This is the time for bitcoin to shine like gold does. If we dump just like the stock markets do I don't see many people looking into bitcoin as a possible investment in bad times.

I think part of the market sees it as digital gold and part of it sees it as a tech stock. That should lead to head-scratching and flat.

Or extreme violence. Either way.


Well if you are honest 99% of the people don't see a real problem with fiat money, even if you explain it to them. They simply don't care

Only that the the 99.9% haven't got any money, relatively speaking.

The 0.01% who do have the money do care.

if you say that you did not understand the system...

the upper 1% are the guys profiting from the printed money not the 99% they are forced to be poor no matter how much they work on their regular job. On top most Billionaires and Millionaires are mostly on paper rich, mainly because they have a lot of shares of something in the stock market. Like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, etc. essential every rich person super rich.

In Benjamin Grahams book "The Intelligent Investor" there were some musings on if people put their savings in a portfolio of solid household stocks instead of the bank. This way your savings will follow value creation instead of money policy. Eventually I hope Bitcoin will have a similar profile.

Surely Bitcoin can be at some point a real investment strategy if the price gets more stable in the area of Gold. You also want the liquidity which the big markets provide.

I mean if I would have 1 Million $ to invest I would surely not put it in bitcoin. Maybe a small % to profit from it if it takes over the world. Sure it can go up and I could easily double or quadruple at some point. But in the end Bitcoin is a high risk asset and could end at some point and become worthless.

And its fate rests in the hands of economically illiterate squabbling nerds.

Not exactly comforting, but I still have hope.



4025. Post 13820077 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 08, 2016, 10:50:43 PM

And its fate rests in the hands of economically illiterate squabbling nerds.

Not exactly comforting, but I still have hope.

what, a hopeless fat loser with hope?

You forgot hip and cool, like Vanilla Ice!


                 "Ice Ice Baby"

Ok, maybe more like Vanilla Custard.



4026. Post 13820729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 09, 2016, 12:21:33 AM
Segwit is more like 1.3MB equiv, to 1.75MB equiv in a rosy scenario. It also gives a heavy discount to signature heavy transactions like the vaporous LN. Most importantly, the "soft" fork method allows no room for protest at the node level.

It has the added "benefit" of leaving all non segwit nodes in a half broken state, not able to fully validate. All done without their request or permission.

way to understate segwit.

1.75x incess is HUGE!

scaling bitcoin isnt about how big we can make the blocks, but how efficiently we can use block space

Eeehhhrrrmmm.... what about the users then?

I thought it was about making the necessary decisions well ahead of capacity being a problem?

When fee-paying transactions take three days, someone messed up.

This is how much Bitcoin can suck for certified tech-geeks without any congestion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnm4xFC2xNo



4027. Post 13825107 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: podyx on February 09, 2016, 10:52:13 AM
Is it just me or are we just waiting to take off after the blockchain controversy has been dealt with?

                                                        It's not dead, it's resting.



4028. Post 13825339 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Meuh6879 on February 09, 2016, 12:14:13 PM
                                                        It's not dead, it's resting.


http://btcaudio.tk/live/

yeah, not dead, bro ... not dead ...  Grin

Cool!

I can't help noticing that there doesn't seem to be a lot of dust there.

It's almost as if people are genuinely using Bitcoin.




4029. Post 13827151 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


How you doin there Aztec? Feeling ok?



4030. Post 13827232 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: aztecminer on February 09, 2016, 03:34:11 PM

How you doin there Aztec? Feeling ok?


yeah i am doing GREAT!! catching up on the thread .... how are you ??

Same old, same old. Nerds be arguing.



4031. Post 13827896 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: WeltMaster on February 09, 2016, 04:28:27 PM
eugh..

All this stupid infighting at the worst possible time

deutsche bank is looking like its going to be the next lehman and all this retarded community cares about is "xDxd muh scalability ecs dee xDxD"

forking idiots

Try not to overreact this time.



4032. Post 13827999 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 09, 2016, 04:44:14 PM
eugh..

All this stupid infighting at the worst possible time

deutsche bank is looking like its going to be the next lehman and all this retarded community cares about is "xDxd muh scalability ecs dee xDxD"

forking idiots
Try not to overreact this time.




I was thinking more of the 30s.



4033. Post 13828019 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 09, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
these msgs brought to you by


What messages?

This one?

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 08, 2016, 11:27:15 PM




4034. Post 13830302 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 09, 2016, 05:45:57 PM
There's no way the Gavinistas will admit segwit is a good idea, precisely because it was proposed by Evil Blockstream People.

You're an idiot.

I've got proof: http://gavinandresen.ninja/segregated-witness-is-cool



4035. Post 13831661 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 09, 2016, 11:13:45 PM

Carnival and the jazz fest are much better. Mardi Gras is more for alchoholics and immature boys who are impressed by a set of tits.

For that reason alone I will support Classic, just to make sure I'm on a different fork to you and your JazzCoin.  /s

Come on PissPukeFunCoin!!
Yeah, a jazz fest is reasonably sophisticated and mature, but the very best, most mature thing of all is smoke-and-alcohol-free Mime Fest. In Canada!
Fkn jazzers...

Anywhere but Canada. Sad

I once ate a bag of potato chips from a batch where they forgot to put the salt in. Made me think of Canada.



4036. Post 13831747 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 09, 2016, 11:53:03 PM

Carnival and the jazz fest are much better. Mardi Gras is more for alchoholics and immature boys who are impressed by a set of tits.

For that reason alone I will support Classic, just to make sure I'm on a different fork to you and your JazzCoin.  /s

Come on PissPukeFunCoin!!
Yeah, a jazz fest is reasonably sophisticated and mature, but the very best, most mature thing of all is smoke-and-alcohol-free Mime Fest. In Canada!
Fkn jazzers...

Anywhere but Canada. Sad

I once ate a bag of potato chips from a batch where they forgot to put the salt in. Made me think of Canada.

Imagine a desolate wasteland forgotten by God. Then cover it with snow. Undecided

And then, sprinkle it with bears.



4037. Post 13832049 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on February 10, 2016, 12:15:38 AM
NSA Switches To Quantum-Resistant Cryptography

According the NSA, the following isn’t safe to use:

    ECDH and ECDSA with NIST P-256
    SHA-256
    AES-128
    RSA with 2048-bit keys
    Diffie-Hellman with 2048-bit keys


So that's the next big scare. Using the threat of having your cat pictures and fromage recipes hacked to make people switch to encryptions The Establishment prefers. For our own good, naturally.


hahahahaha


Yeah... gotta take such NSA recommendations with a grain of Canadian potato chip.    Wink

Yeah!



NSA are so silly.



4038. Post 13836622 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Elwar on February 10, 2016, 12:07:50 PM
Hmm, only $3 more growth for ETH (+53%) and it reaches 1/10th of Bitcoins market capitalization and there doesn't seem to be any serious dumps comming...  Undecided

Where can I short ETHs?

Poloniex



4039. Post 13836654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Searing on February 10, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
Hmm, only $3 more growth for ETH (+53%) and it reaches 1/10th of Bitcoins market capitalization and there doesn't seem to be any serious dumps comming...  Undecided

ethereum confuses me...unless it is billing itself the 'anti-bitcoin' among newbies/corp types..then I guess it makes some kinda sense ...bringing new folk/money into crypto

but essentially don't get it ...to me looks like a pump (maybe new players being drawn into crypto on the FOMO principle) but again

even say if ethereum as a coin has some good ideas ...what is to stop btc (or ltc) from that manner of their devs just saying 'cool' and upsurging

those ideas and incorporate them into their bigger network and market cap? (stealing ideas is the human way to punch up a product/idea)


again unless all the traction for ethereum is to 'stop' the evil bitcoin from masses of folk that believe the gov't/press/banker/ FUD on such



Don't think of Ethereum as a cryptocurrency. Ethereum is more a crypto-solution to centralized web services rather than financial services.

Think of its token, ether, as fuel for ethereum processes.



4040. Post 13836734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 10, 2016, 12:16:53 PM

Don't think of Ethereum as a cryptocurrency. Ethereum is more a crypto-solution to centralized web services rather than financial services.

Think of its token, ether, as fuel for ethereum processes.

Nope. The only thing it is is a money making train right now. Incredible volumes. The only thing folks are seeing is profit. People would trade a token whose only function would be to make your dachshund sing like Michael Bolton if it made them similar money.

Well yes, if you buy eth now you're speculating.



4041. Post 13837566 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: julian071 on February 10, 2016, 01:14:35 PM

Don't think of Ethereum as a cryptocurrency. Ethereum is more a crypto-solution to centralized web services rather than financial services.

Think of its token, ether, as fuel for ethereum processes.

Nope. The only thing it is is a money making train right now. Incredible volumes. The only thing folks are seeing is profit. People would trade a token whose only function would be to make your dachshund sing like Michael Bolton if it made them similar money.

Yeah well there is a reason why Ethereum is so popular. Can't blame the people who solely focus on Bitcoin for missing that, because, well, they solely focus on Bitcoin (and call everything else an altcoin). I saw someone compare Bitcoin to the gold of the internet based economy, and Ethereum to the fuel (the black gold) of it. Ethereum is way ahead of Bitcoin in enabling decentralised apps, where the token is the fuel for running these things.

I think it's a shame that develeopment of BTC is so self centered. You can't just keep relying on having the biggest market cap. Developers should look at innovations elsewhere in the crypto sphere. Or be left behind one day.

Bitcoin is too inflexible for what Ethereum is trying to do and vice versa. With Bitcoin Ethereum has a safe and reliable store of value which it can integrate into its systems. With Ethereum Bitcoin has a platform uniquely suited to expand its potential. It's a win-win situation.



4042. Post 13838514 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Hunyadi on February 10, 2016, 02:40:52 PM
Hmm, only $3 more growth for ETH (+53%) and it reaches 1/10th of Bitcoins market capitalization and there doesn't seem to be any serious dumps comming...  Undecided

Where can I short ETHs?

Poloniex

ETH pumpers right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZuH4_Zn6YM

Didn't help that the sell button didn't work.

Ahhh.... Mt.Gox...





4043. Post 13840124 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: ghdp on February 10, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
Bitcoin is too inflexible for what Ethereum is trying to do and vice versa. With Bitcoin Ethereum has a safe and reliable store of value which it can integrate into its systems. With Ethereum Bitcoin has a platform uniquely suited to expand its potential. It's a win-win situation.

When and how did Ethereum solve the two-way-peg-problem that is required for it to "use Bitcoin as a reliable store of value which it can integrate" ?

Ethereum will not work like a sidechain. Distributed apps running on ethereum will run Bitcoin wallets and operate them through smart contracts.... I think.




4044. Post 13840353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: blunderer on February 10, 2016, 06:26:19 PM
... solve the two-way-peg-problem ...

But how does that even...



4045. Post 13841214 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: ghdp on February 10, 2016, 07:44:02 PM
Bitcoin is too inflexible for what Ethereum is trying to do and vice versa. With Bitcoin Ethereum has a safe and reliable store of value which it can integrate into its systems. With Ethereum Bitcoin has a platform uniquely suited to expand its potential. It's a win-win situation.

When and how did Ethereum solve the two-way-peg-problem that is required for it to "use Bitcoin as a reliable store of value which it can integrate" ?

Ethereum will not work like a sidechain. Distributed apps running on ethereum will run Bitcoin wallets and operate them through smart contracts.... I think.



So you're saying that it's possible to move bitcoins back and forth from the Bitcoin blockchain using an outside D App without Bitcoin being aware of it and without a trusted third party ? Interesting.

(I am pretty sure that it's not possible)

No, that's not what I'm saying. The bitcoins stay on the Bitcoin blockchain. It's no different from me or you or Circle's system using Bitcoins. Except it's an Dapp doing it.



4046. Post 13841824 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: ghdp on February 10, 2016, 08:15:45 PM
Bitcoin is too inflexible for what Ethereum is trying to do and vice versa. With Bitcoin Ethereum has a safe and reliable store of value which it can integrate into its systems. With Ethereum Bitcoin has a platform uniquely suited to expand its potential. It's a win-win situation.

When and how did Ethereum solve the two-way-peg-problem that is required for it to "use Bitcoin as a reliable store of value which it can integrate" ?

Ethereum will not work like a sidechain. Distributed apps running on ethereum will run Bitcoin wallets and operate them through smart contracts.... I think.



So you're saying that it's possible to move bitcoins back and forth from the Bitcoin blockchain using an outside D App without Bitcoin being aware of it and without a trusted third party ? Interesting.

(I am pretty sure that it's not possible)

No, that's not what I'm saying. The bitcoins stay on the Bitcoin blockchain. It's no different from me or you or Circle's system using Bitcoins. Except it's an Dapp doing it.

Ok but who holds the private keys ?

Me ?
You ?
The Dapp maintener ?


The Dapp. Who controls the Dapp depends on the program. If you run the program, control the program and fill its wallet, then you control the wallet. You can also set it to be completely autonomous, which would be handy if you want to run a smart contract with triggers involving other people.



4047. Post 13842152 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: ghdp on February 10, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Bitcoin is too inflexible for what Ethereum is trying to do and vice versa. With Bitcoin Ethereum has a safe and reliable store of value which it can integrate into its systems. With Ethereum Bitcoin has a platform uniquely suited to expand its potential. It's a win-win situation.

When and how did Ethereum solve the two-way-peg-problem that is required for it to "use Bitcoin as a reliable store of value which it can integrate" ?

Ethereum will not work like a sidechain. Distributed apps running on ethereum will run Bitcoin wallets and operate them through smart contracts.... I think.



So you're saying that it's possible to move bitcoins back and forth from the Bitcoin blockchain using an outside D App without Bitcoin being aware of it and without a trusted third party ? Interesting.

(I am pretty sure that it's not possible)

No, that's not what I'm saying. The bitcoins stay on the Bitcoin blockchain. It's no different from me or you or Circle's system using Bitcoins. Except it's an Dapp doing it.

Ok but who holds the private keys ?

Me ?
You ?
The Dapp maintener ?


The Dapp. Who controls the Dapp depends on the program. If you run the program, control the program and fill its wallet, then you control the wallet. You can also set it to be completely autonomous, which would be handy if you want to run a smart contract with triggers involving other people.

I still don't understand.
I think I will have to wait for a real dapp to implement it to see if it works.

I've seen some examples, but I think most of its use cases haven't been thought of yet.

Here's an interesting presentation from IBM and Samsung where they use Ethereum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1XOPIqyP7A



4048. Post 13843282 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 10, 2016, 11:37:22 PM
Bitcoin is too inflexible for what Ethereum is trying to do and vice versa. With Bitcoin Ethereum has a safe and reliable store of value which it can integrate into its systems. With Ethereum Bitcoin has a platform uniquely suited to expand its potential. It's a win-win situation.

When and how did Ethereum solve the two-way-peg-problem that is required for it to "use Bitcoin as a reliable store of value which it can integrate" ?

Ethereum will not work like a sidechain. Distributed apps running on ethereum will run Bitcoin wallets and operate them through smart contracts.... I think.



So you're saying that it's possible to move bitcoins back and forth from the Bitcoin blockchain using an outside D App without Bitcoin being aware of it and without a trusted third party ? Interesting.

(I am pretty sure that it's not possible)

No, that's not what I'm saying. The bitcoins stay on the Bitcoin blockchain. It's no different from me or you or Circle's system using Bitcoins. Except it's an Dapp doing it.

Ok but who holds the private keys ?

Me ?
You ?
The Dapp maintener ?


The Dapp. Who controls the Dapp depends on the program. If you run the program, control the program and fill its wallet, then you control the wallet. You can also set it to be completely autonomous, which would be handy if you want to run a smart contract with triggers involving other people.

I still don't understand.
I think I will have to wait for a real dapp to implement it to see if it works.

I've seen some examples, but I think most of its use cases haven't been thought of yet.

Here's an interesting presentation from IBM and Samsung where they use Ethereum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1XOPIqyP7A


Here's a decent example from the new Princeton textbook.

Suppose Alice wants to challenge Bob to game of chess with money on-line. Alice will write an Ethereum program that implemements the rules of chess and upload it to Ethereum. She'll send the contract a quantity of Ether equal to the amount she wants to bet. Bob can see this, and if he decides to accept, he can start the game by sending his own stake of betting Ethers to the contract. The contract will then pay the winner.

I was hoping for something that didn't involve drugs or gambling.



4049. Post 13843421 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 10, 2016, 11:48:08 PM

I was hoping for something that didn't involve drugs or gambling.
How's about Ethering the cash to pre fund the removal of some Indian sap's kidney and then they get the rest when it's safely installed in grandma back in the good old US?

There are no independent triggers in that arrangement.



4050. Post 13846981 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 09:47:47 AM
Well , I am glad this is over and we can move on to improving the bitcoin ecosystem?

https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/a-call-for-consensus-d96d5560d8d6#.3219xm7af


Fin

I'd be hodling BTC for dear life now. In fact, I am.



4051. Post 13847033 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 11, 2016, 10:14:25 AM
Well , I am glad this is over and we can move on to improving the bitcoin ecosystem?

https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/a-call-for-consensus-d96d5560d8d6#.3219xm7af


Fin

I'd be hodling BTC for dear life now. In fact, I am.

Why does this seem so self-evident? What do you guys see I don't?

All I see is a bunch of missing names.

Those companies represent over 70% of the hashing power.



4052. Post 13847263 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 10:32:10 AM
Those companies represent over 70% of the hashing power.

~88% hash power actually.


    F2Pool — 29%
    AntPool (Bitmain) — 20%
    BitFury — 17%
    BTCC Pool — 14%
    BW — 8%




He was playing politics , while his CTO disagreed with him . From his own words he never switch to classic ... just deployed some classic node along side his core nodes-

https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/697600458441887745


Fin

I'd be hodling BTC for dear life now. In fact, I am.

Good Idea to hodl, Bitcoin will do very well under Core's Scaling plan.

But seriously, if that letter is in any way legit, then this mofo deserves to go down in flames.

That is not helpful to move things forward. This is a moment to celebrate.


I would be more comfortable if Bitcoin had more headroom in the next couple of years, but it is what it is.

GG



4053. Post 13847387 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
Bram Cohen , Inventor of bit-torrent, shares his opinion on the CEO of coinbase not listening to his CTO on technical manners:

https://twitter.com/bramcohen/status/697705876337995776


Such class, such intellect.

Quote


I would be more comfortable if Bitcoin had more headroom in the next couple of years, but it is what it is.

GG

LN is scheduled to start rolling out 3rd quarter 2016 for more capacity layered ontop of segwit. We all want more capacity, we just want to insure it is done in a safe manner.

Please let there be some peace before we revv up the LN cat fight.



4054. Post 13848249 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
We shouldn't hold any grudges against most Classic supporters and welcome them back in as our temporarily lost brothers in an act of solidarity.

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 11:47:15 AM
Unfortunately, I believe this drama will only temporarily go away. There were indeed many genuine XT/UL/Classic supporters but there were also many shills/trolls/  agent provocateurs supporting a contentious HF. Bitcoin is competing/undermining against some of the most powerful states and corporations and we should prepare for a vicious and difficult fight ahead.

Part of this is educating people towards the true principles of bitcoin, as many are still advocating code be written under the governance of democracy which would be tragic and goes against our current meritocracy consensus based development framework. As we grow our ecosystem this will remain a constant challenge we must overcome as most humans have been programmed to believe democracy is the best form of governance available.

Sounds like you're planning a good old fashioned purge there. Sure good you're not a collectivist, comrade. Where's Yezhov?



4055. Post 13848453 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 12:52:59 PM
Sounds like you're planning a good old fashioned purge there. Sure good you're not a collectivist, comrade. Where's Yezhov?

Thank you for reinforcing my point. Most individuals are raised to believe in false dichotomies. No, I am not a communist, or collectivist, far from it.... I am advocating for the rights of the individual over the group. An individual classic supporter should have the right to voluntarily fork off, advocate for, or rejoin any other implementation, free from coercion. I am advocating for greater decentralization and more implementations. I have been consistent upon this. Regardless, of being clear and consistent, the moment I suggest anything negative about "democracies" one assumes the false narrative that I support centralization of governance or development. This is the same problem when core reminds the community that they don't have the authority to perform the hard fork as this is a decision for the economic majority to be made through a consensus process. I believe many are genuine in their belief that Core is saying this to stonewall, not because its true, but because they literally cannot think outside of their paradigm.

This is not to suggest that all aspects and use cases of democratic governance models of consensus are flawed or worthless. Let me remind you that some of the central principles and the raison d'ętre of bitcoin in the first place is in overcoming some of the limitations with republic or democratic governance within currencies.

It's comforting to see that you don't understand the meaning of what you write, that probably means you won't promote their consequent actions. Maybe.



4056. Post 13849865 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 01:07:31 PM
Please elaborate, specifically.

I'll try

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
We shouldn't hold any grudges against most Classic supporters and welcome them back in as our temporarily lost brothers in an act of solidarity.

The inverse of this sentence is that there are some bitcoiners who are not welcome any more in the community. There is also an appeal to solidarity and forgiveness towards those who were "mislead" into "false" beliefs. Those who genuinely betrayed the collective needs to be punished, those who simply were mislead will be forgiven.

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 11:47:15 AM
Unfortunately, I believe this drama will only temporarily go away. There were indeed many genuine XT/UL/Classic supporters but there were also many shills/trolls/  agent provocateurs supporting a contentious HF. Bitcoin is competing/undermining against some of the most powerful states and corporations and we should prepare for a vicious and difficult fight ahead.

Here you claim that even though the storm may seem to have passed, evil actors are still active among our midst. These evil actors are backed by evil constellations and thus deserve no sympathy whatsoever. You point out the traits by which they can be identified as a passive encouragement to them being identified and punished by the collective. At the end you even actively encourage people to "prepare for a vicious and difficult fight ahead".

Quote
Part of this is educating people towards the true principles of bitcoin, as many are still advocating code be written under the governance of democracy which would be tragic and goes against our current meritocracy consensus based development framework. As we grow our ecosystem this will remain a constant challenge we must overcome as most humans have been programmed to believe democracy is the best form of governance available.

Then you reiterate the dogma of the one and only way forward and basically warn against the horrors of the peoples rule and independent thought in the collective. To top it off you sound an alarm of the struggles of the future and promote eternal vigilance in the collective.


This rhetoric is used regularly among collectivist populist authoritarian regimes to signal a purge in the population and maintain discipline.



4057. Post 13849916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: ImI on February 11, 2016, 02:50:29 PM

The main advantages of Ethereum over Bitcoin is that people in control are qualified and expected to not screw everything, unlike Core people.

You must be oblivious to the development crisis's and mistakes in Ethereum and the flight of developers from that project.

I think its main advantage could be that the founder of the project is still there and functions as a "natural consensus". Also its good that his identity is known.

Apart from that ETH could get the same problems and civilwars that Bitcoin is experiencing.

Good point.

All this cultist crap around Satoshi is not healthy.



4058. Post 13850351 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 11, 2016, 03:25:28 PM
Then you reiterate the dogma of the one and only way forward and basically warn against the horrors of the peoples rule and independent thought in the collective. To top it off you sound an alarm of the struggles of the future and promote eternal vigilance in the collective.


This rhetoric is used regularly among collectivist populist authoritarian regimes to signal a purge in the population and maintain discipline.

You appear to be seriously confused about general anarchist thought. I am perfectly happy living and working besides other people with different politics and belief systems. If my neighbor to the left wants to start up a communist collective and not use currency, fine. If my neighbor to the right wants to live as a slave under a tyrannical government willingly ,** shudder**.... but fine ....There is a a difference between letting my opinion being known and imposing my opinions on others with violence and coercion. I do have a problem with people supporting and paying for the murder , torture and kidnapping of innocent non -violent people and will defend them if necessary.

I think I see things pretty clearly. But you're right, someone here is confused.



4059. Post 13851200 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on February 11, 2016, 05:30:16 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-classic-publish-code-block-size/
Overall, the debate has proven to be as acrimonious as it has been divisive. Accusations that Bitcoin Classic essentially constitutes a coup, as well as allegations that Bitcoin Core is acting at the behest of the startup Blockstream, have thus far colored the nature of the debate in recent weeks.

Today’s release is unlikely to change this state of affairs.

Perhaps, but it does end the uncertainty.



4060. Post 13851266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 11, 2016, 05:37:41 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-classic-publish-code-block-size/
Overall, the debate has proven to be as acrimonious as it has been divisive. Accusations that Bitcoin Classic essentially constitutes a coup, as well as allegations that Bitcoin Core is acting at the behest of the startup Blockstream, have thus far colored the nature of the debate in recent weeks.

Today’s release is unlikely to change this state of affairs.

Perhaps, but it does end the uncertainty.

Ether up another 25% today. Is this you doing this??



4061. Post 13851466 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 11, 2016, 05:55:49 PM

That was obvious once they gave up trying to make CPUs run faster and started cramming more and more cores into computers. I remember when each year the latest CPU's speed was far faster than the previous year's model. Over the last few years I haven't noticed any dramatically faster CPUs on the market.

My laptop's seven or so years old and I can't detect much or any improvement in the stuff on the market now unless you're spending big bucks. I guess the development'll go into size and efficiency now.

It's similar to technology overall. In the 1960s we were looking forward to going on holiday around Jupiter. Instead we get phones that can record the decibel levels of our farts while we sleep.

link please



4062. Post 13851933 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 11, 2016, 06:14:35 PM

link please

It's in the works. I'm currently recruiting most of JPL and Nasa's staff to complete the project. I'll award you the honour of the first beta test.

Should probably get ESA on the case. Their experience from the Cassini-Huygens mission should prove valuable.



4063. Post 13854020 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 11, 2016, 10:06:32 PM
what the hell is up with the price this is beyond ridiculous

The world decided it prefers Ether. Now Bitcoiners everywhere can be R3KT together. Harmony restored. Embarrassed

There is no such thing as going up without corrections...ETH is in the mega hype bubble phase..it will crash sooner or later...don't forget it is premined and pos

Nah, I'm sure it'll be fine. Let me just go all in. Right.......now!

There. Investing is so easy. Smiley

OMG. That would have worked. Cry

The great migration is real!

This is corecoin now. Users are spam. We only want high value clients.



4064. Post 13854081 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/697816867876921344



The plot thickens...



Shut up Peter Todd!!!



4065. Post 13857127 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: DaRude on February 12, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
Monkey reports in: Monkey thinks the next week could be uppish, but is generally skeptical out until mid-March, then bullish on the multi-month scale.

This time, I think I agree, but whatevs.


year of the monkey hasn't officially started yet has it?


What am i looking at here?

Edit: fat chick pink elephant bending over on a hill



4066. Post 13857553 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: craked5 on February 12, 2016, 08:00:30 AM
Monkey reports in: Monkey thinks the next week could be uppish, but is generally skeptical out until mid-March, then bullish on the multi-month scale.

This time, I think I agree, but whatevs.


year of the monkey hasn't officially started yet has it?


Am I looking at what I think I am looking at?  Shocked



4067. Post 13858514 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 12, 2016, 10:09:23 AM

The main advantages of Ethereum over Bitcoin is that people in control are qualified and expected to not screw everything, unlike Core people.

You must be oblivious to the development crisis's and mistakes in Ethereum and the flight of developers from that project.

I think its main advantage could be that the founder of the project is still there and functions as a "natural consensus". Also its good that his identity is known.

Apart from that ETH could get the same problems and civilwars that Bitcoin is experiencing.

Good point.

All this cultist crap around Satoshi is not healthy.

Might be nice to know some lone ranger can't suddenly up and flood the market with bags and bags of coins. IDK. It is a trust machine, after all.

This might hurt.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/45bhus/so_the_ethereum_foundation_can_now_fund_itself/czwqr30

Fully funded development until 2023?

oh the pain



4068. Post 13864978 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


Looks like you got your purge Bitusher.

I'm getting posts deleted east, west, left and right.

Congratulations!!!



4069. Post 13870258 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/45hgkz/attempted_murder_at_kncminer_in_sweden/

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22255558.ab



4070. Post 13870568 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.43h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 13, 2016, 01:05:42 AM
Whoa brother... I was thinking more of deleting their comments and banning them from subreddits... followed by a little gentle DDoSing, no need to go that far.

You were using the term Purge which was an odd attempt to by Fatman3001 to insinuate I advocated for technique used by Stalin and his followers. Take a Look at this deplorable moment in history that he was referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

A purge is quite common in academia and similar groupings.

We had one at the uni near where I live. One professor had an agreement on a work schedule that made it possible for her to see her children, who lived in a different city, two days a week. When the other side of the conflict took over the institute that agreement was cancelled. The wife of a professor on the "wrong" side, who was also a professor at the same institute, lost her regular lecture hall and had to conduct her lectures on the other side of campus up a steep hill. She was in a wheel chair. The third professor was defined out of the institutes research profile and forced to leave his long term research in order to teach introductory classes for new students and preparation classes for high school students. A fourth professor, who was technically illiterate, was forced to leave his research and lead the institutes new IT program, which included summer classes.

There are many different ways to push people out of a community, to purge the community. Considering that there is a very real chance that this will happen in the Bitcoin community I would be more careful with boisterous proclamations calling for exclusion and vigilance. Theymos is already doing everything he can to shut people down. Adam Back and Gmaxwell have been making some less than reassuring noises as well. If you really believe in an open and free community I suggest you take this to heart.



4071. Post 13870649 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 13, 2016, 12:50:05 PM
Meanwhile ... 21 releases better code using the new CLTV opcode to setup a micro-payments channel to dramatically increase capacity with no need for a blocksize limit increase, and no added network tradoffs. Works with any device and free to use.
Caveat: "to allow high frequency Bitcoin-based microtransactions between any pair of 21 Bitcoin Computers," true P2P, i.e between 2 PiTatoes Cheesy


The Decentralizationing!



4072. Post 13871216 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 13, 2016, 01:08:49 PM
A purge is quite common in academia and similar groupings.

We had one at the uni near where I live. One professor had an agreement on a work schedule that made it possible for her to see her children, who lived in a different city, two days a week. When the other side of the conflict took over the institute that agreement was cancelled. The wife of a professor on the "wrong" side, who was also a professor at the same institute, lost her regular lecture hall and had to conduct her lectures on the other side of campus up a steep hill. She was in a wheel chair. The third professor was defined out of the institutes research profile and forced to leave his long term research in order to teach introductory classes for new students and preparation classes for high school students. A fourth professor, who was technically illiterate, was forced to leave his research and lead the institutes new IT program, which included summer classes.

There are many different ways to push people out of a community, to purge the community. Considering that there is a very real chance that this will happen in the Bitcoin community I would be more careful with boisterous proclamations calling for exclusion and vigilance. Theymos is already doing everything he can to shut people down. Adam Back and Gmaxwell have been making some less than reassuring noises as well. If you really believe in an open and free community I suggest you take this to heart.

I don't think it is wise to conflate the Great Purge with the forms of ostricizations you are describing and find it very odd that you are reading into my statements intentions that just do not exist. I have explained very clearly what should be done with "shills/trolls/  agent provocateurs" --

My response was meant to clarify my earlier point which you called an "odd attempt to by Fatman3001 to insinuate [you] advocated for technique used by Stalin and his followers".

I see there is still some confusion. The Great Purge was linked as an example. If you don't know the meaning of the word I can provide you a couple of links:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purge

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Purge





4073. Post 13871291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 13, 2016, 01:56:31 PM
My response was meant to clarify my earlier point which you called an "odd attempt to by Fatman3001 to insinuate [you] advocated for technique used by Stalin and his followers".

I see there is still some confusion. The Great Purge was linked as an example. If you don't know the meaning of the word I can provide you a couple of links:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purge

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Purge

Now you are back-peddling and suggesting you were using the term Purge in a very generic sense and not referring to that horrible moment in history. 

Sounds like you're planning a good old fashioned purge there. Sure good you're not a collectivist, comrade. Where's Yezhov?




Ahhh, rats!!! You got me!!!

Bitcoin is a global phenomenon, so I was obviously suggesting that you were trying to implement global stalinism in order to execute large swathes of the global population.

Silly me. Clearly nothing escapes your keen eyes and sharp wits.



4074. Post 13874262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 13, 2016, 06:50:11 PM
monero pump is getting serious...

+47% in 24h
+183% in 72h

and keep pushing. Finally itīs working

Relevant:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330553.msg13874042#msg13874042

Yes, we know. You're helping gimp Bitcoin so you can get your CP/Drug-coin off the ground.

Hooray!



4075. Post 13874500 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 13, 2016, 07:14:51 PM
It still requires trust, but as you say, for such small amounts its probably a moot  point.  I do actually like it, but I get such a buzz from winding you up that I just had to say it.  Cool

I appreciate your honesty with being a troll... but we really do not need this distraction right now as we need to work together on finding solutions to increasing capacity and scalability.

There is no such thing as trust less solutions, all we can do is manage trust and mitigate risk. These payment channel are a great piece of the puzzle to the capacity problem.

Well at least you admit it's a problem. That's better than most.



4076. Post 13874631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 13, 2016, 07:44:41 PM
I appreciate your honesty with being a troll... but we really do not need this distraction right now as we need to work together on finding solutions to increasing capacity and scalability.

There is no such thing as trust less solutions, all we can do is manage trust and mitigate risk. These payment channel are a great piece of the puzzle to the capacity problem.

Well at least you admit it's a problem. That's better than most.


Almost Everyone is working towards greater capacity, we just disagree on the priorities and methods. You are describing the Bitcoin Assets crowd that is 0.00002% of bitcoiners. It is misleading to suggest otherwise. Most want bigger blocks and more capacity and view 7tps as a problem.

They seem to be 50% of this forum. Gmaxwell buddying up with them in the echo chambers isn't reassuring either.



4077. Post 13875661 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

This is why it's super important to have more than 99.99% of the hash rate with you if you're going to hard fork:

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012396.html

I'm assuming there are literally ZERO miners left on the weaker branch.
The attacker in this scenario simply rents hashing for a few days in advance
to build his fake chain, then broadcasts the blocks to the unsuspecting
merchant at ~10 block intervals so it looks like everything is working normal
again. There are lots of mining rental services out there, and miners quite
often do not care to avoid selling hashrate to the highest bidder regardless
of what they're mining. 10 blocks worth costs a little more than 250 BTC -
soon, that will be 125 BTC.


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/44nkg3/responding_to_gavin_courtesy_bip_message_lukejr/

[–]gavinandresenGavin Andresen - Bitcoin Dev 8 points 5 days ago
That response baffled me, too.
Nothing stops somebody from trying this attack right now; you don't need a hard fork to try to Sybil attack and then feed somebody a fake chain.
It's stupid to try, you will fail...



4078. Post 13877860 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Alley on February 14, 2016, 02:35:25 AM
Aztecminer likely sold his account to a shill.  A year ago he was bullish and a active miner.

You can't fake his brand of crazy.

No offense, Aztec.



4079. Post 13883151 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 14, 2016, 03:20:36 PM
Fuck me.  It's hard to imagine a worse call.  Well, the market has spoken and the market always gets the last word.

This is weird. You're talking like a human again. Have you been sampling that eco-fuel?



4080. Post 13885534 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on February 14, 2016, 08:51:04 PM
Hey Jimbo! What's the good word? Any idea where this current move is going? I thought we'd be going down and sideways a bit longer. Really didn't expect this! How's the weather?

I think we're just still recovering from the panic caused by the Mike Hearn BS. We'd been above $400 for over a month before that crap.

If I had to guess at the ongoing trend, I'd say we're probably going to continue creeping slowly up, at least until the Chinese new year season is done. After that we might see a more significant movement, hopefully up.

The weather? Freaking cold. Halfway through one of the mildest Februaries on record, we get a real cold snap, -26C with a windchill of -33. Brrr. Time to put the soup pot on.

I had to drive to my mine the other day. Checked weather forecast, it said -11C. When I got there it was -32C. I didn't notice before the metal in the car started making popping sounds. Weird stuff starts happening at that temperature.



4081. Post 13886384 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 14, 2016, 10:53:05 PM
First Classic block mined.

P2XTPoolP2 XT Pool - Bitcoin Mining Pool
Quote
Because we want to trigger a fork to give bitcoin more capacity for transactions

Oh. Oh my.

You make is sound like that block is >1mb.  It isn't, being a mere ~100kb.

How do you know that block was mined by an RealClassic node, rather than an indistinguishable (until too late) NotClassic one?

Ironically (and self-defeatingly), Gavinistas can only bribe miners with CoreCoins to mine ClassicBlocks until the hard fork occurs, at which time the miners will only accept in-band incentives denominated in CoreCoins, as ClassicCoins are doomed to be orphaned.


Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 14, 2016, 11:06:14 PM
What's going on guize?
This thread could use some train and moon pics



Happy Valentine's, you bunch of degenerates. Smiley




4082. Post 13889141 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 15, 2016, 06:18:01 AM
Is Blockstream working on one of those Turing complete scripting languages for smart contracts as a sidechain at all? Are they in competition with Ethereum?

imo, there is no need for a turing complete stack language for specialized use cases like smart contracts. this is bullshit and is coming from ethereum fanboys. security is the first target all other targets have to follow.

ethereum is a hype whithout a single proof in the wild so far.

I know it's all hype and speculators drooling over tokens, don't get me wrong. But what about autonomous agents, decentralized autonomous organizations, and the like? I imagine a scaling catastrophe. Could our block chain handle the capacity? Could our block chain do the right tricks?



4083. Post 13889714 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 15, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
pretty awesome that bitcoin resisted human induced inflation.



That's not even close to an accurate description of what happened. Cripplecore is resisting taking some armor off the truck to allow more cargo capacity. As a result we have an $8/transaction network.  Good luck winning any races with that.

If you had 10 MB blocks tomorrow morning, you'd still need 0.8$ in fees, per tx, to replenish lost subsidy income.

People are currently paying 0$ to 0.03$ (for first block inclusion) while "blocks are full", under the current 1 MB scheme. With the current fees, even with 100 MB blocks, and them being full, you'd still be unable to pay the subsidy loss (you'd need 0.08$ per tx). So you'd need something like 250MB blocks with the current fees. This makes it pretty obvious and simple: Fees have to rise.

If fees don't rise, then miners bail out and the network loses security. OR, some new "forkers" will come and say something retarded like "we want free txs forevah, so let us inflate the money quantity instead... why limit btc to 21mn coins? That's ...crippling to BTC... yeah, let's uncripple it by issuing a few hundred million more... we don't want to pay high tx fees you know... we prefer inflation".

Who gets the fees?

Who decides which transactions gets on the block?



4084. Post 13890228 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: ButtLava on February 15, 2016, 10:11:02 AM
I am still curious why did everyone get stuck on this 1mb value? I mean, like I said earlier, why not 1.2mb, or why not just 1 transaction per block if limiting it is the best? I'm just so confused why the current transactions per second limit became the magic number.

It's arbitrary really. Satoshi actually gave more room than necessary, but then again the fees paid back then were like 0.01.

That's what I was thinking, it seems 1mb was just a nice round number for him to pick at the time.

This is why I can't understand where all this contention is coming from. It seems out of left field for me. I run a software company, which we will be exiting this year (assuming all goes well), and I just can't fathom the stubbornness on the function of this single value that seems totally arbitrary. I would be running analysis, bug testing, etc, every possible iteration of that number. Perhaps even writing a simulation to see how the change of the number would effect network performance, hash rates, probably miner dropout, etc. I've been considering what I will do with my time when I exit my current company, and it seems likely that it will be bitcoin related. And I'm starting to wonder if I should just contribute code directly or work on the analysis side of things. I'd love to submit code but it seems the stubbornness is a harder problem to solve than the technical hurdles Tongue

There's plenty of code, there's plenty of stubbornness, there's not enough analysis. The block size problem should have been dealt with two years ago. And if someone had done the legwork back then it would have been done two years ago. The one project trying to do this kind of stuff, ledgerjournal.org, is run by a fairly controversial member of the community. His project needs to be strengthened and there also needs to be different voices on the scene. If you want to make a difference in Bitcoin then this is a good entry point.



4085. Post 13890705 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: ButtLava on February 15, 2016, 10:53:16 AM
ledgerjournal is run by a charlatan.
bitcoin could not care less about academics circlejerkers

Who is this madman people keep talking about?

Peter R. Rizun is not a madman, but he has been taking a lot of flak in this debate.

It might be healthy to run an independant site if you find his approach a bit too enthusiastic.

In any event, bct users like hdbuck, iCEBREAKER and brg444 are not good sources of info or judgement.



4086. Post 13891494 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on February 15, 2016, 12:24:54 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with you that there will be people that want more than 21m coins.

An argument like that will never be presented "we want more coins and high inflation for the lolz".

It will be presented as "we want cheap txs".... Arguments like "People want cheap txs, who are you to stop that".... Populist bullshit like "bigger blocks" and the "dangers" of "fullblockalypse".

There is no comparison between a hard fork to raise the blocksize and a hard fork to increase the 21 milion cap on supply. The former is a minor property that almost everyone agrees will need to be changed at some point. I owned Bitcoins for years before I even know there was a max blocksize.  I knew of the 21 MM limit before I bought my first coin.  

A slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Dude increasing the 21 M limit and increasing the block size is the same thing.

oh really? I'd like to hear an explanation. How the hell is it the same thing? It's not even remotely the same thing.

I explained it to you many times already but fine. Things (w/e they are) only have value if the supply is limited and they have a purpose. How limited something is determines it's value (together with its utility value). The block size at the moment is in limited supply (1 MB roughly every 10 minutes), so a place on that has a certain implied value (this will be the fee in the long term, right now it's not very visible because of the huge subsidy which skews actual fees). The value of the sum of the fees determines the amount of security because this is how the miners are paid (the miner market is a commodity market so it will approach break-even long term. Total fees will equal security). Therefore if the block size is increased the value of size on the block chain goes down and thus the amount miners get paid goes down and so does the security.

Security is the most important thing giving value to XMR units and so a lower security will lower the intrinsic value of Bitcoin.

Similarly increasing the 21M coin limit will also lower the intrinsic value of Bitcoin because it inflates the supply (more unit available).

Next to all this there is the precedent reasoning mentioned above. Right now I trust Bitcoin to never inflate supply of either limited unit (XMR or block chain size) and therefore value Bitcoin as such. If they inflate it I will be forced to estimate future watering down of XMR and blockchain size (and thus watering down of value) in my intrinsic value calculations and therefore I will be prepared to pay a lower price for Bitcoins as an investment. The market will do the same.

XMR is Monero



4087. Post 13892287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 15, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Has there ever been a documented case on this thread or elsewhere of two opposing points of view actually learning and eventually taking the other on board? Everyone's so seemingly entrenched that I no longer need to read the post, I just spot the usernames and know what's going to be written.

To be fair, most of us are idiots.



4088. Post 13892372 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: mainpmf on February 15, 2016, 02:19:40 PM

Full again...

Say whatever you want I don't like the idea of limited tx every day :/

Fire up a classic node. Let your voice be heard.

https://bitcoinclassic.com/



4089. Post 13892466 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: mainpmf on February 15, 2016, 02:33:53 PM

Full again...

Say whatever you want I don't like the idea of limited tx every day :/

Fire up a classic node. Let your voice be heard.

https://bitcoinclassic.com/

Well I'm not so sure forcing the community to go to classic is the best solution though ^^

You can't do that. That's for the devs and the miners. Nodes show support, but they don't decide.



4090. Post 13892627 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 15, 2016, 02:50:37 PM

Full again...

Say whatever you want I don't like the idea of limited tx every day :/

Fire up a classic node. Let your voice be heard.

https://bitcoinclassic.com/

Well I'm not so sure forcing the community to go to classic is the best solution though ^^

You can't do that. That's for the devs and the miners. Nodes show support, but they don't decide.

you guys heard of the BIP to let miners vote using flags on the 32 bit version number with each block they mine? they should do the same thing with the nodes, i bet a lot of poeple running classic are only running it to let there "I WANT 2MB BLOCKS NOW!!!" voice be heard.
  

Give me Core with BIP101 and Segwit HF and I'm game.



4091. Post 13892897 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on February 15, 2016, 03:12:26 PM
Shame on you Adam Sad

You are confused. This is not the Monero thread.



4092. Post 13894063 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 15, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
^
Stop buying Ethers & watching pornos. Concentrate on keeping BTC > $400.

*My Mom called me up, asked if she should plow all her savings/CDs into ETH. What should I tell her?

Tell that old jackal to stop squirting out the spawn of evil.



4093. Post 13895689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 15, 2016, 07:54:31 PM
We could call the Chairman of the Communist Party of China, because he absolutely could shut it down, but I think he supports hacking.
There is more democracy in China than in the US. Political class in China (the Communist Party) has 4 wings competing for leadership while political class in US (the Establishment) has only 2 wings. So, the political monopoly is in the US not in China!

That's like saying there is more freedom in Fascist Italy than in Nazi Germany. It's probably true, but so what?  They were both terrible places to live, especially if you were a minority.

If ANYONE has the Bitcoin kill switch, and somebody certainly does, that means our project has failed at censorship resistance.

That's like saying becoin is more crazy than billyjoeallen. It's probably true, but so what?



4094. Post 13895827 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: blunderer on February 15, 2016, 08:06:48 PM
...
That's like saying becoin is more crazy than billyjoeallen. It's probably true, but so what?

Yeah, but bja makes perfect sense in the parts that aren't broken, becoin is batshit through & through.

Yah, he's been talking so much sense lately that his China->US->Nazi Germany leap of grey matter caught me off guard.



4095. Post 13896205 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 15, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
...
That's like saying becoin is more crazy than billyjoeallen. It's probably true, but so what?

Yeah, but bja makes perfect sense in the parts that aren't broken, becoin is batshit through & through.

Yah, he's been talking so much sense lately that his China->US->Nazi Germany leap of grey matter caught me off guard.

If THAT's what you took from what I wrote, then either you're not listening or I'm communicating improperly. I was saying that the U.S. is a low standard for censorship resistance/freedom.  In some ways, China may be more free, I don't know. It doesn't matter.  I don't want to get off subject, which is that somebody has a kill switch. It doesn't matter if that someone is Motherfucking Aristotle.  If there is a kill switch, Bitcoin is not censorship resistant. 

I'm as unimpressed with aspects of US politics as the next guy, but granting becoins idiotic remark about China being more democratic than the US any validity is daft to the extreme.



4096. Post 13896520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 15, 2016, 09:26:49 PM
Meh dont mind this adrianx cypherdoc fanboy, he is clueless.

what you doing here mr x? papa peter r got a lollipop for you in that cicrlejerking forum of yours.

I'm just here to see who pipes up to cry fowl when I dump. ;-) you don't seem too concerned about bitcoin anymore now that Monero's doing well.


You've changed, man.



4097. Post 13896688 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 15, 2016, 02:45:40 AM
if you know how much power the network is consuming (about a gigawatt or 1 million kilowatts)
and you know how much power costs ($0.10/kWh)
and you now how many transactions are being processed (~4TPS)
We can figure out how much each transaction really costs unsubsidized by speculators.

@ $0.10/kWh X (1,000,000 kilowatts)= $100,000/hr

4 transactions/sec X (3600seconds/hr) = 14,400 transactions/hr

$100,000/14400 transactions = $6.94 PER TRANSACTION

Feel free to check my math, but that's about how efficient the bitcoin network is currently at maximum capacity. If there are fewer transactions, it is even less efficient.  Security and decentralization are very important factors, but this is not competitive with ACH and SWIFT, or even credit cards.  The way to increase efficiency is by massively increasing the number of transactions while keeping the total power costs almost the same.

THAT is why we want to lift the blocksize limit.  We have a very very expensive, inefficient network. Security is great, but too much armor on your armored truck will limit it's cargo capacity. 



A more correct number would be approx 400MW for the entire network and $0.05/kWh. You can't mine competitively with$0.10/kWh and efficiency is much greater than 0.71J/GH.



4098. Post 13897322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 15, 2016, 11:11:52 PM
[–]jgarzikJeff Garzik
Correct. My trip to China was a Bloq-sponsored endeavor, looking for Chinese customers, investors and employees.
My visit to OKCoin was mentioned in 8btc. Never a secret. http://www.8btc.com/okcoin-jeff-garzik


>>Hi Jeff! In the event of a hard frok what are the odds Bloq would take the place of Blockstream in funding development? And is there anything Bloq would do differently? Consultancy only? Side chains?

Thanks.

Inquiring minds want to know. I'll keep you posted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/45v0ro/core_is_planning_a_secret_meeting_in_hong_kong/d017lvl?context=3


What's your genuine take on all of this. Are you just trolling or are there neuropeptides firing up there?



4099. Post 13897485 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 15, 2016, 11:29:15 PM
if you know how much power the network is consuming (about a gigawatt or 1 million kilowatts)
and you know how much power costs ($0.10/kWh)
and you now how many transactions are being processed (~4TPS)
We can figure out how much each transaction really costs unsubsidized by speculators.

@ $0.10/kWh X (1,000,000 kilowatts)= $100,000/hr

4 transactions/sec X (3600seconds/hr) = 14,400 transactions/hr

$100,000/14400 transactions = $6.94 PER TRANSACTION

Feel free to check my math, but that's about how efficient the bitcoin network is currently at maximum capacity. If there are fewer transactions, it is even less efficient.  Security and decentralization are very important factors, but this is not competitive with ACH and SWIFT, or even credit cards.  The way to increase efficiency is by massively increasing the number of transactions while keeping the total power costs almost the same.

THAT is why we want to lift the blocksize limit.  We have a very very expensive, inefficient network. Security is great, but too much armor on your armored truck will limit it's cargo capacity. 



A more correct number would be approx 400MW for the entire network and $0.05/kWh. You can't mine competitively with$0.10/kWh and efficiency is much greater than 0.71J/GH.

You don't have to take my word for it. Blockchain.info keeps a running calculation:

https://blockchain.info/stats

currently running ~$7.09/transaction.
 Then either they're wrong too or they're taking more than electricity into account. 0.71J/GH is 2 year old gear. Most of the network is from the last 7 months with 0.25J/GH or lower. There is simply not produced enough inefficient gear on the entire planet to get the numbers you have.



4100. Post 13897507 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: ImI on February 15, 2016, 11:40:15 PM

nice, but its the blocks that matter and there we only see 1 block so far. pretty disappointing if you ask me.

Antpool hasn't switched yet. They're expecting to do so soon.

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/694080283407069184



4101. Post 13897868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 15, 2016, 11:59:08 PM

nice, but its the blocks that matter and there we only see 1 block so far. pretty disappointing if you ask me.

Antpool hasn't switched yet. They're expecting to do so soon.

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/694080283407069184

What do you think would happen in a BJA Commiepocalypse situation?

Most Bitcoin companies in China are as committed and decent as any bitcoiner (cue lambie), but I'm not comfortable with having to trust a socialist dictatorship to not interfere. They don't have to nationalize anything. That's what you do in a country when you are used to having to justify your actions. The chinese government will only have to make a few phone calls. I don't see why they would do such a thing, but again, I don't like having to trust them.



4102. Post 13897955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: ImI on February 16, 2016, 12:43:15 AM

nice, but its the blocks that matter and there we only see 1 block so far. pretty disappointing if you ask me.

Antpool hasn't switched yet. They're expecting to do so soon.

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/694080283407069184

What do you think would happen in a BJA Commiepocalypse situation?

Most Bitcoin companies in China are as committed and decent as any bitcoiner (cue lambie), but I'm not comfortable with having to trust a socialist dictatorship to not interfere. They don't have to nationalize anything. That's what you do in a country when you are used to having to justify your actions. The chinese government will only have to make a few phone calls. I don't see why they would do such a thing, but again, I don't like having to trust them.

true, but on the other hand if the chinese miners are cut off, basically nothing changes. diff maybe to high for a while but thats it.

The best solution would be that they try to spread their hashing power on foreign pools. That way that can't be forced to do anything covertly. It strikes me as a bit odd that they haven't thought of this. At least if they understand what Bitcoin is about.




4103. Post 13902514 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: rebuilder on February 15, 2016, 11:56:37 PM
You don't have to take my word for it. Blockchain.info keeps a running calculation:

https://blockchain.info/stats

currently running ~$7.09/transaction.
 Then either they're wrong too or they're taking more than electricity into account. 0.71J/GH is 2 year old gear. Most of the network is from the last 7 months with 0.25J/GH or lower. There is simply not produced enough inefficient gear on the entire planet to get the numbers you have.

I believe that number is tx cost to the network as aggregate, which is basically (tx fees + block subsidy)/[# of tx] * [BTCUSD rate]. Cost to mine a block is a different issue, but would be harder to put a number to, since it depends on unknown variables.

That makes sense. Thx!



4104. Post 13902848 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 16, 2016, 12:32:09 PM
Nicolas is gathering some interesting data on the ongoing Sybil attack-

http://0bin.net/paste/Hk1ooypyQ7oxCLqV#JfIph4rAPpm-u6s37vb6s549qQkJa4o/hkZ8fa2UvEk

https://imgur.com/a/jweYf


How's that purge going?

Edit: (Not a collectivist purge at all, of course. A free and tree hugging, rainbow kissing anarchist purge.)



4105. Post 13905697 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

$10 up and the entire network is clogged up.

go bitcoin


Edit: You know what to do. Appreciate!: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305286.msg13368792#msg13368792



4106. Post 13906269 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 16, 2016, 03:22:46 AM
Crassic keeps failing like this means it should be at 1500 nodes next week?

There is a sybil attack occuring as we speak , and the sad thing is that many Classic supporters that are participating in the sybil attack have good intentions and not aware that they are weakening the security of our network. This isn't a Core vs Classic disagreement , because Core devs criticised when an exchange spun up 100 Core nodes... and rightfully so.

The intentions of the person spinning up nodes is only is half the problem. If one person or company spins up many nodes that is indeed a sybil attack and weakens the security of our network regardless of their intentions. It centralizes nodes, gives a false signal to the network that its healthier and more decentralized than it actually is, an can be used as an attack vector if that individual is compromised(even if their intentions are well founded) . This has nothing to do with the implementation debate and everything to do with understanding the potential security implications of an individual spinning up more than one node. This should always be discouraged regardless of it being a core node, XT, node, Classic node, ect... 1 node per economic agent- whether it be a company, SPV wallet, individual, miner, ect.... 1 node each. There is no way of stopping someone creating more but this practice should be discouraged as it weakens bitcoin and is indeed a type of Sybil attack.


Some Bitcoiners actually prefer radical transparency to paranoid defensiveness. Think about it.

Those aren't mutually exclusive... in fact , transparency is one thing I'm advocating to deflect these types of attacks.

So if someone wants to support the network by running 10 HQ nodes with fiber, that's a problem in your mind?



4107. Post 13906295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: mainpmf on February 16, 2016, 06:30:25 PM
$10 up and the entire network is clogged up.

go bitcoin


Edit: You know what to do. Appreciate!: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305286.msg13368792#msg13368792

Well if the network is clogged up they'll have to react quickly at least!

No. They say it's not clogged up. Users are just being stupid for wanting to send transactions all at the same time. You know, like congestion charge around the time everyone needs to go to and from work. Why don't people just go to work at 2 am?



4108. Post 13906430 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: xslugx on February 16, 2016, 06:44:25 PM
$10 up and the entire network is clogged up.

go bitcoin


Edit: You know what to do. Appreciate!: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305286.msg13368792#msg13368792

Well if the network is clogged up they'll have to react quickly at least!

No. They say it's not clogged up. Users are just being stupid for wanting to send transactions all at the same time. You know, like congestion charge around the time everyone needs to go to and from work. Why don't people just go to work at 2 am?

Well if they don't react Classic is going to hit them hard that's for sure.

Not anytime soon. Last word from Bitcoins russian and chinese miner overlords is that they support core.



4109. Post 13906587 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Adrian-x on February 16, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
$10 up and the entire network is clogged up.

go bitcoin


Edit: You know what to do. Appreciate!: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305286.msg13368792#msg13368792

Well if the network is clogged up they'll have to react quickly at least!

Takes 1 year from when you start to react quickly. problem is we've been debating why we don't need to start for since 2013.

I don't care if Core has the most and/or best coders. This kind of bumbling clusterfuck should lead to the lot of them losing their status. Whether they were actively procrastinating or just keeping their heads down as cowards. The number of fucks given are rapidly approaching zero.


Quote from: Adrian-x on February 16, 2016, 06:51:23 PM


Those aren't mutually exclusive... in fact , transparency is one thing I'm advocating to deflect these types of attacks.

So if someone wants to support the network by running 10 HQ nodes with fiber, that's a problem in your mind?

actually a 2MB block is about the same size as an average webpage over the last 2 years. It's not about bandwidth or capacity, its about control and investment FUD.   

the bitcoin network can handle the equivalent of 1 webpage every 10 minus. If one is concerned you should upgrade, this isn't 1995.

The guy was claiming that running more than 1 node is a sybil attack.



4110. Post 13906809 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Adrian-x on February 16, 2016, 07:15:15 PM
Wow. The explosion of puss, poison, and vitriol seems to suggest some kind of boil has been lanced.

Crassic has failed, what's next now on the maximally FUD bitcoin agenda I wonder?

Do you realize like this you are FUDding as much? I liked the old marcus_of_augustus better, all the trolling got to you.

i'm sure his ID has been compromised along with theymos, I used to respect the old marcus_of_augustus, he was an independent thinker.

I'm sure the real Marcus would let us know if that happened. Marcus is just cranky and paranoid.



4111. Post 13907791 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: aminorex on February 16, 2016, 09:01:16 PM
anyone else feeling increasingly bullish?

My monkey certainly is.  All his reservations have melted away.

That's a first. Any explanation?



4112. Post 13907821 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 16, 2016, 09:09:34 PM
do you need a kick in the ass to buy some bitcoin?

watch this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWI4Qsqt-sU

Best promotional video ever!!!



4113. Post 13908349 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 16, 2016, 10:03:16 PM
Everybody back to their own echo chamber. This is srs. Angry

Relax, man! Tune in to the gospel of Adam:

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 16, 2016, 09:09:34 PM
do you need a kick in the ass to buy some bitcoin?

watch this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWI4Qsqt-sU



4114. Post 13908677 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Meuh6879 on February 16, 2016, 10:37:02 PM
...

We wont get it if the value of the network doesn't grow.  



http://bitcoin.sipa.be/

Learn.



That does not compute.

Advancements in asics does not equal higher value.



4115. Post 13912455 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):


@solitude Kudos for being consistently repulsive. You truly are a class A arsehole.

Anyhew:


Now please.



4116. Post 13912498 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Andre# on February 17, 2016, 08:25:22 AM
That does not compute.

Advancements in asics does not equal higher value.

Silly fat man. New chip deployment = mewn... k?

Meanwhile...



Come on in panicking global economy! The mempool's fine!



Look at all that spam from the ETH speculators!  Grin

Looks like solitudes anal beads.



4117. Post 13912945 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):


@solitude stop shilling eth, this is a Bitcoin thread



4118. Post 13913042 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):


I miss lambie. He was a class act.



4119. Post 13913564 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: valta4065 on February 17, 2016, 10:22:36 AM

Ahah!

Am I the only one having the impression there is a tsunami of sale incoming? xD

Or the wall is pulled and we flush towards the $460 mark.



4120. Post 13915929 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 17, 2016, 02:32:09 PM
I can tell you this. I don't know about $400, but we're never gonna see $300 again. 

dafuq?

What's changed?



4121. Post 13916262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: inca on February 17, 2016, 03:16:13 PM
I can tell you this. I don't know about $400, but we're never gonna see $300 again. 

dafuq?

What's changed?

Closed his massive short at a loss. :p

Good man!



4122. Post 13917084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on February 17, 2016, 04:50:52 PM

I miss lambie. He was a class act.

Well, maybe it's all relative.... Lambie was annoying as well, but you fatty seem to be suffering from false memory nastalgia.... hahahahaha

 Wink
Wtf are you guys talking about? Bargainbin and blunderer or whatever is NLC ,so he is still here (or am I losing it?)

I was trying to shut down a spamming nazi psycho. Idk what JJG was doing. Don't think he knows either.



4123. Post 13917186 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 17, 2016, 05:11:36 PM
ccmf



Yup. I guess having a couple of kids die was incentive enough to begin buying the 9,000 BTC to pay off you Bitcoin Criminals.
Before more precious lives are lost.
Enjoy your blood money Sad

Los Angeles: Hackers demand $3m bitcoin ransom from hospital to unlock vital files

Yes that is sick, of all the orgaization they're going to ask ransom from they thought of a hospital. What are they thinking.

Well it's one of the few worth paying for...

Just restore from backup.


You do have backups... right?



<facepalm>


Blaming the victim?

You sir, are a fucking idiot.

Ur a faget, what's your point?

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagott

He is cultured



4124. Post 13924237 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 18, 2016, 09:01:14 AM
says brg444  Grin
i have a problem with when he implies that a small or medium size miner would get affected by 2mb block and move to pools
as if small or medium size minners solo mine.
i mean come on todd show me 1  small or medium size miner that doesn't already mine at a pool.
he then talks about how we shouldn't touch 1MB and use lighting, that really ticked me off.


other then that the rest of the interview was easier to digest

Yeah, well clearly you don't understand how this stuff works so your opinion is as good as the hobo down the street's

ok prove it

show me 1  small or medium size miner that doesn't already mine at a pool.

he lied pure and simple

Let me repeat: you don't know how this stuff works.

Keep your eyes on the scoreboard, this stuff is way beyond you.

Look! Price is rising!

poeple should note that brg444 is known to be a bought and paid for blockstream shithead.

And/or an asshole. I'd give him the benefit of doubt.



4125. Post 13924245 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 18, 2016, 09:04:55 AM
when he says "give companies time to transition" he means "give companies that rely on cheep transaction,time to close up shop, becuase lighting wont be ready for years"

it feels like he knows lighting won't be ready in time, so he needs to HOLD back any blocksize increase now because he knows once we start to bump it up and the system doesn't implode we'll just keep doing it, and lighting will be drastically less useful.

I don't get it. You start bitching AFTER non-core has lost?



4126. Post 13924291 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: brg444 on February 18, 2016, 09:06:36 AM
when he says "give companies time to transition" he means "give companies that rely on cheep transaction,time to close up shop, becuase lighting wont be ready for years"

it feels like he knows lighting won't be ready in time, so he needs to HOLD back any blocksize increase now because he knows once we start to bump it up and the system doesn't implode we'll just keep doing it, and lighting will be drastically less useful.

bwahaha

what an idiot you are  Cheesy

did you spend all these years only looking at chart and not bothering to understand how the stuff works?



Here's something for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Now, have a guess at to whom the shoe fits.



4127. Post 13925612 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 18, 2016, 11:49:31 AM
Bitcoin is ours! Cool

Indeed.  

Bitcoin is defined by the code we choose to run.  

As a btc user, I never had the opportunity to chose which code I was going to use.

Using "plug and play" spv or core wallets and trading on centralized exchanges does not make you a "bitcoin user" technically speaking.


Sounds like a loophole to me.



4128. Post 13925801 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 11:58:40 AM
v0.12 bitcoin is being released ... watch and learn what real network uptake looks like.

0.12 is awesome , I have been beta testing for a couple weeks now and have noticed up to +5x syncing with libsecp256k1, the new tools to reduce upload traffic to keep limited nodes from using too much bandwidth are great, mempool limit adjusting is good to keep raspberry pi nodes from crashing,  automated use of TOR, conf conflict detection ,  and more .

I haven't played around with pruned Full node features yet , and that is the next thing to test. 2GB ~full nodes is an amazing option for many people with limited disk space.

Last one I tested ...

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012448.html

Candidate 5 ...

oh good

it works slightly better with a raspberry pi now

sure good that they've got their priorities right

....................................................................

Anyhew... how many of you will dump Bitcoin when the next speculative bubble bursts and we have to rely on adoption to make this turd float?



4129. Post 13925831 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: XCASH on February 18, 2016, 12:22:44 PM
Bitcoin is ours! Cool

Indeed.  

Bitcoin is defined by the code we choose to run.  

As a btc user, I never had the opportunity to chose which code I was going to use.

Using "plug and play" spv or core wallets and trading on centralized exchanges does not make you a "bitcoin user" technically speaking.


So for you someone using electrum and saving his private keys is not a btc user?
What is a btc user then?

He appears to think of a Bitcoin user as a miner, someone who runs a full node, or at least runs some flavor of a core wallet. Do only "kids" run SPV wallets although you can do advanced things like multisig with them, and Satoshi invented the SPV wallet concept for Bitcoin users to use?

I think it's important to be aware of the fact that hdbuck is a fucking idiot.



4130. Post 13925872 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 12:25:06 PM
People are no longer cashing out on Eth and Bitcoin still going up aggressively... general sentiment bullish.


We're probably on our way for a royal whopping rally.

Too bad Bitcoin will have to remain a tool for speculators for the next couple of years. If we're lucky.



4131. Post 13925949 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 18, 2016, 12:36:07 PM
Bitcoin is ours! Cool

Indeed.  

Bitcoin is defined by the code we choose to run.  

As a btc user, I never had the opportunity to chose which code I was going to use.

Using "plug and play" spv or core wallets and trading on centralized exchanges does not make you a "bitcoin user" technically speaking.


So for you someone using electrum and saving his private keys is not a btc user?
What is a btc user then?

He appears to think of a Bitcoin user as a miner, someone who runs a full node, or at least runs some flavor of a core wallet. Do only "kids" run SPV wallets although you can do advanced things like multisig with them, and Satoshi invented the SPV wallet concept for Bitcoin users to use?

I think it's important to be aware of the fact that hdbuck is a fucking idiot.

An angry, bitter idiot, to be precise.
or is good at never breaking character [Fatman says= go figure, when did you buy his account?]

Thx, that clarification is appreciated.



4132. Post 13926396 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Paashaas on February 18, 2016, 01:19:05 PM
Burger King (Arnhem, The Netherlands) accepts Bitcoin payments! To celebrate the 100-retailer milestone, a mystery event will be held at Burger King Arnhem tomorrow evening.

I dont live near Arnhem but it's worth the trip to buy a hamburger menu with Bitcoin  Cool

http://bitcoinist.net/burger-king-arnhem-now-accepts-bitcoin-payments

Looks like I'm moving to Arnhem then.



4133. Post 13927620 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: Paashaas on February 18, 2016, 03:22:36 PM
Burger King (Arnhem, The Netherlands) accepts Bitcoin payments! To celebrate the 100-retailer milestone, a mystery event will be held at Burger King Arnhem tomorrow evening.

I dont live near Arnhem but it's worth the trip to buy a hamburger menu with Bitcoin  Cool

http://bitcoinist.net/burger-king-arnhem-now-accepts-bitcoin-payments

Looks like I'm moving to Arnhem then.

Do you live in Holland? It's about 100km from my town to Arnhem, i got plans to visit Burger King the comming ore next weekend. ( i skip that "mystery event'').





No, but I like burgers. I am very fat you see.



4134. Post 13927839 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 02:53:49 PM
***Sigh*** ... no wonder this discussion has been so "complicated"
Some are still under the misapprehension that miners are the ones who vote on the direction of bitcoin and "make the final call"

https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/700325846532362241

If this were true it would defeat the whole raison d'ętre of bitcoin in the first place and only would apply if we still were all mining on cpu's... when those days are long over. Economic Nodes now have a stake in the game and the power dynamics are split and a dynamic inter-relationship between miners, users, devs, exchanges/processors, and  merchants.

We need better educational materials to inform the confused... or perhaps we may learn the hard way with a contentious HF and many people learning that even one person has the right and ability to fork the chain at any given moment with or without the miners.  

There are many devs that will support the alternative chain as well -

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/700316802853634048

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/700317058102226944


You won. Stop telling me I'm confused you arrogant Proof of Stake! You're confused and you've managed to fud your way to victory. By the looks of things, the lack of education and spine in the Bitcoin community is what's kept you afloat, so maybe you should appreciate your band of village idiots a bit more.

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 18, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Things I honestly believe:
There’s no obvious incentive for people to run nodes. Given their importance, we should do everything we can to limit the disincentives.

Well, then they're obviously not doing it for the incentives, are they?



4135. Post 13928077 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 04:05:26 PM
One valid concern that centralized services have for their long term viability is competing with p2p decentralized on the chain payment channels(LN and many more) instead of controlling the ecosystem. If they are smart they will adapt their business model over time and keep up, if not than they should be aware:

1) There are many of us that won't give up on keeping bitcoin decentralized and p2p (we have somewhat veered off track but are looking to reverse this trend)
2) We aren't your enemies and aren't here to destroy your business. We appreciate the efforts made , contributions and sacrifices given in exchange for what we have contributed back in solidarity and are open to mutually growing together with the understanding that we won't compromise our values
3) In the future nodes will be incentivized by sharing tx fees with miners by becoming payment channels. You will need to adapt to this change with bitcoin becoming a settlement network where a market of p2p individuals can freely compete with no unfairly favored nodes or companies. Our allegiances can quickly turn on any company that tries to control these payment channels, they must remain free, open  and decentralized .

There are many of us that are so secure about this future that we are willing to make exceptional sacrifices to make it happen.

WTF does that mean? This isn't one of your anarcap hugging sessions. Are you going to suicide bomb MIT or are you going to drink an extra can of Red Bull and code a bit more?



4136. Post 13928175 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 18, 2016, 04:17:02 PM

WTF does that mean? This isn't one of your anarcap hugging sessions. Are you going to suicide bomb MIT or are you going to drink an extra can of Red Bull and code a bit more?

Hide your IP. NOW.



Thanks for taking it out of context. I guess I'm ok now.



4137. Post 13928335 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 04:25:54 PM
WTF does that mean? This isn't one of your anarcap hugging sessions. Are you going to suicide bomb MIT or are you going to drink an extra can of Red Bull and code a bit more?

Why would violence even be an option if you know I follow the non-aggression principle ? You have a very odd perception of our values. We are very motivated to keep the true nature and purpose of bitcoin alive... This means we not principally motivated by short term profits but have long term goals and are willing to make sacrifices and work hard to achieve them. If the community forces a contentious hard fork , so be it, we will happily allow the community to go separate ways, but be aware we will not acquiescence on our values . This doesn't mean we cannot find a solution through consensus and make certain reasonable consolations that don't directly compromise our values. Adding 1.7-2Mb capacity to segwit was that compromise and we want to dramatically scale up capacity in the future the right way. It would be great if you would join us building something great , If not , I understand and won't interfere with your choices.

I was just trying to break the wall of mindless pompous crap.

People who talk like you is why Bitcoin is important.

BTW, who are "we"? Who are these people who are so willing to throw everyone under the bus to get it their way?



4138. Post 13928383 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 04:33:53 PM
Turns out, you guys become increasingly funny when things get a bit catty. Don't let me disturb you, please.

I am glad you can find humor out of this  Wink If the byproduct is happiness that that is a consequence I can accept.

My words are being written without aggression and lack any emotional fervor. They are written with a calm and confident resolution attached to some well reasoned principles.

They aren't even intended for many of the individuals I am responding to but to educate other readers lurking to our perspective.


Sure is nice to know.

Can we get an inkling on who these benevolent non-feeling educators are?

Edit:

Ah!

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 04:33:53 PM

BTW, who are "we"? Who are these people who are so willing to throw everyone under the bus to get it their way?


No one is willing to throw anyone under the bus. I empathize with your position and will not interfere with your choices or vision of bitcoin. That is the beauty of bitcoin, its voluntary nature of participation and involvement.

"We" principally refers to those that believe bitcoin should become a settlement network because of the cold hard reality that it cannot scale completely on the chain. "We" are those that believe we need to work together in solidarity and through consensus rather than democratic majority imposing their will upon minorities.

Crap!

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 18, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
I was just trying to break the wall of mindless pompous crap.

Mission Failed



4139. Post 13928472 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 04:42:48 PM
Can we get an inkling on who these benevolent non-feeling educators are?

LoL..... tell me about the dangers of people who want to empower each other to have both sovereignty and solidarity in a voluntary manner.
Your insinuations are humorous and will not deter our goals.

I still love you and hope you find happiness sir!

I'm not going to humor you. You don't understand the words you are using! GET OUT!!! Wherever you are!!! GET OUT!!!



4140. Post 13928957 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 05:21:01 PM
We want an armored truck, not a safe on castor wheels pulled by a horse.

We are building a tank with hardened steal, exploding anti- tank missile panels, advanced engine and suspension components for maneuverability, and a more efficient engine to carry a larger capacity and more ammo...

You simply want to double the weight of the tank and throw a bigger cc diesel engine in her that guzzles more fuel.  



4141. Post 13929026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 05:36:34 PM
0.12.0 final source code tagged and released -

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.12.0

Binaries will come soon.

Impressive list up upgrades -

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.12.0/doc/release-notes.md


I will keep running a non pruned full node(to allow others to bootstrap from) but for the first time ever people will be able to fully validate with only ~2GB of Blockchain disk usage.


Lets give it a lick of paint and see what happens.



4142. Post 13929079 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 05:45:43 PM

Lets give it a lick of paint and see what happens.

This is how I can tell you are insincere and just trolling. Even Classic Developers support 95% the improvements in 0.12.0 and have been testing a Classic variation for the Earlier Release candidates.(with a small possibility of not including opt in RBF)

I am very sincere. The one thing missing is what we need. NOW!



4143. Post 13929215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 18, 2016, 05:50:55 PM
I am very sincere. The one thing missing is what we need. NOW!
I thought you already have what you need with classic? It has already been released. Meanwhile lets praise and congratulate the great accomplishments of core developers for a moment before getting back to work.

Now who's being insincere?



4144. Post 13929552 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 18, 2016, 06:30:23 PM
Seriously?

Yes, its in the Lightning Whitepaper and The Core HF has been discussed in the original scaling roadmap (flexcap) with ongoing discussions with another kick the can in Early 2017.

Any questions?

wtf is the point of lighting again?

He's blowing smoke up your ass. Or someone is blowing smoke up his ass.



4145. Post 13929579 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 18, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Seriously?

Yes, its in the Lightning Whitepaper and The Core HF has been discussed in the original scaling roadmap (flexcap) with ongoing discussions with another kick the can in Early 2017.

Any questions?

wtf is the point of lighting again?

He's blowing smoke up your ass. Or someone is blowing smoke up his ass.

i know!

but why!?!?!

If they tell the truth they will get pummeled.

Core isn't that united.



4146. Post 13930100 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):


@adam Are you the anti-semite or is it Blitz?

Why did you delete my jstreet post?

What kind of nazi hell is this?



4147. Post 13930247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 18, 2016, 07:27:08 PM
Uh, I'm not an expert, but doesn't Lightning Network have a routing problem? And by problem, I mean in the sense that pigs have a flying problem.

So to sum up:

Bigblockers think technology will happen that will solve the node harddrive bloat problem and we are ridiculed by people who think technology will happen to solve LN's routing problem for the reason that we can't count on tech that hasn't been invented yet. Hmmmm.



Or, bigblockers just think that LN will come in its own time and should be judged according to what it is then. And in the meantime the network should be allowed to grow uninhibited.



4148. Post 13930294 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 18, 2016, 07:28:52 PM

@adam Are you the anti-semite or is it Blitz?

Why did you delete my jstreet post?

What kind of nazi hell is this?

i didnt delete any post.

i rarely delete a post, it's really gotta be completely shit for me to hit delete.

Ok, so Blitz stands for:



Or just short for Blitzkrieg.

I thought it was in sympathy to The Blitz.

Silly me.



4149. Post 13936660 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 19, 2016, 03:11:18 AM

@BMB your flip flopping is only slightly less frustrating. Marcus might have the correct view on that.  Angry


That one hurt. Cry

It ain't cut and dry. Just look at Adam! He freaked out! But he got better. Smiley IDK.

You're canadians. That's what you do. Ever wondered why your brand of americans still worships the Queen?

Not to mention Quebecs never ending secession flip flop. They're not french at all. They're canadians.

You whine a bit and then you go with the flow.



4150. Post 13936689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: craked5 on February 19, 2016, 11:11:45 AM

Whaou that's really cool to see that, it's a bit like a saint coming back to give the Good Word ^^

I suppose they're talking about btcClassic. They can do nothing no? I don't really understand what a hardfork is :-/

Bitcoin Classic didn't exist back then. We already know at least some of Satoshis accounts have been compromised. So that message is worthless.



4151. Post 13937146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 19, 2016, 12:01:59 PM
for the millionth time, nobody knows if it is fake or not.

Then let's assume it's fake, ok?

It just is neither fake nor legit. But whatever makes you feel good.

And either way, the message was quite spot on.

He is not saying you should accept that it's fake. He's saying we have to move forward as if it was fake.

And no. It's not spot on. It's self-contradictory.

If you want some satoshi fodder you might want to go and look at the old bct forum discussions where he and Gavin discusses the idea of a plurality of implementations.

I don't have the link but I'm sure your buddy brg444 has it.



4152. Post 13937336 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 19, 2016, 12:27:25 PM
for the millionth time, nobody knows if it is fake or not.

Then let's assume it's fake, ok?

It just is neither fake nor legit. But whatever makes you feel good.

And either way, the message was quite spot on.

He is not saying you should accept that it's fake. He's saying we have to move forward as if it was fake.

And no. It's not spot on. It's self-contradictory.

If you want some satoshi fodder you might want to go and look at the old bct forum discussions where he and Gavin discusses the idea of a plurality of implementations.

I don't have the link but I'm sure your buddy brg444 has it.


there you go:


I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea.  So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network.  The MIT license is compatible with all other licenses and commercial uses, so there is no need to rewrite it from a licensing standpoint.
Good idea or not, SOMEBODY will try to mess up the network (or co-opt it for their own use) sooner or later.  They'll either hack the existing code or write their own version, and will be a menace to the network.

I admire the flexibility of the scripts-in-a-transaction scheme, but my evil little mind immediately starts to think of ways I might abuse it.  I could encode all sorts of interesting information in the TxOut script, and if non-hacked clients validated-and-then-ignored those transactions it would be a useful covert broadcast communication channel.

That's a cool feature until it gets popular and somebody decides it would be fun to flood the payment network with millions of transactions to transfer the latest Lady Gaga video to all their friends...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1613#msg1613


Gavin's twisted evil mind seems to be quite in action for the last couple years. And this is not fake. Roll Eyes



Yup, that's the one. That's what Satoshi wrote 6 years ago.



4153. Post 13937431 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 19, 2016, 12:41:18 PM
for the millionth time, nobody knows if it is fake or not.

Then let's assume it's fake, ok?

It just is neither fake nor legit. But whatever makes you feel good.

And either way, the message was quite spot on.

He is not saying you should accept that it's fake. He's saying we have to move forward as if it was fake.

And no. It's not spot on. It's self-contradictory.

If you want some satoshi fodder you might want to go and look at the old bct forum discussions where he and Gavin discusses the idea of a plurality of implementations.

I don't have the link but I'm sure your buddy brg444 has it.


there you go:


I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea.  So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network.  The MIT license is compatible with all other licenses and commercial uses, so there is no need to rewrite it from a licensing standpoint.
Good idea or not, SOMEBODY will try to mess up the network (or co-opt it for their own use) sooner or later.  They'll either hack the existing code or write their own version, and will be a menace to the network.

I admire the flexibility of the scripts-in-a-transaction scheme, but my evil little mind immediately starts to think of ways I might abuse it.  I could encode all sorts of interesting information in the TxOut script, and if non-hacked clients validated-and-then-ignored those transactions it would be a useful covert broadcast communication channel.

That's a cool feature until it gets popular and somebody decides it would be fun to flood the payment network with millions of transactions to transfer the latest Lady Gaga video to all their friends...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1613#msg1613


Gavin's twisted evil mind seems to be quite in action for the last couple years. And this is not fake. Roll Eyes



Yup, that's the one. That's what Satoshi wrote 6 years ago.

Do you have reading issues also? Don't you see the irony?

It is exaclty what gavin and his wingmen whether toomim or hearn tried to do.
Highjack the protocol and fork it off to meet whatever the USG told them to and/or to simply flood it.



I simply confirmed that you found the correct post. Unless you disagree with that we have nothing to argue about.



4154. Post 13937479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 19, 2016, 12:44:25 PM


satoshi fodder?

It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
    maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

He wanted to remove the 1MB blocksize limit by March 2011


But he did not.. and gavin met with the CIA.


And they partied



until Gavin had to go



4155. Post 13937502 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 19, 2016, 12:49:29 PM


satoshi fodder?

It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
    maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

He wanted to remove the 1MB blocksize limit by March 2011


But he did not.. and gavin met with the CIA.

He did not. Instead he left.

And we are unable to do it apparently. The pussies that we are.


Poor orphans Sad

Still I would simply not want any new 'benevolent' daddy messing around with the protocol's holy parameters I bought into.

This is Bitcoin, its values thrives from the trustleness and the inability from any egomaniac dev to usurp it.



... bought into.. pffff

You've been shorting bitcoins for two years. You just want to see it burn.



4156. Post 13942303 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 19, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
fork off already.


This is a good example of what I am talking about. This is something a consensus builder would not say.


BJA:   I hope that you are not suggesting that deep down inside that you possibly could be a consensus builder.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

There is no "I" in "consensus", but there is an "us".
OF FUCKING A!!!!

Ok, I'm new to this. Who do we invade?



4157. Post 13942629 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 19, 2016, 09:10:41 PM
fork off already.


This is a good example of what I am talking about. This is something a consensus builder would not say.


BJA:   I hope that you are not suggesting that deep down inside that you possibly could be a consensus builder.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

There is no "I" in "consensus", but there is an "us".
OF FUCKING A!!!!

Ok, I'm new to this. Who do we invade?


Fry's Electronics. We will need to build enough supermines by the Grand Coulee Dam to prevent a 51% attack by the ChiComs.  

are we blowing somthing up?

i'm in!

Ok, but we'll expect strict discipline.



Edit:

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 19, 2016, 09:23:24 PM

are we blowing somthing up?

i'm in!

My shorts, hopefully.

That was uncalled for.



4158. Post 13946504 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.44h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 20, 2016, 01:30:03 AM
Mods of Reddit, what's the most fucked up post you had to remove?

I bet you'll never guess. Roll Eyes


Lambie is a celebrity.



4159. Post 13946906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


Looks like someone tripped over the wire and shut down their core pseudonodes.

Nodecounter.com



4160. Post 13946940 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 20, 2016, 09:10:15 AM
Core Power Rangers have been given an ultimatum

It's not about votes granted by breathing... it's about votes granted by quadrillions of hashes...  Kiss

You honestly expect Honey Badger to respond to ultimatums (ie threats)?

If X gives a shit about ultimatums and threats, X is not Honey Badger.

As for the [impressively large number of] hashes, their function is to act as well-paid security guards, not executives.

If the security guards start demanding a vote in the boardroom they protect, the board will simply fire and replace them with new rent-a-cops.

There is nothing indispensable about sha256, and if the centralized miner tail tries to wag the distributed socioeconomic majority dog we will simply change to another PoW.

"simply" he says.

Yes I said "simply."

You seem confused so I'll draw you a picture.

If Gavincoin forces a situation where catastrophic consensus failure is unacceptably likely, the socioeconomic majority will simply change the PoW to something other than sha256^2.

It's not hard; the code has already been written.  We may even use the crisis as an opportunity to upgrade to a less centralization prone/friendly algorithm.

But don't take my word for it, read what the CEO of Spondoolies says.

https://medium.com/@vcorem/lesson-learned-from-the-classic-coup-attempt-or-why-core-needs-to-prepare-a-gpu-only-pow-6a9afe18e4b0

Sha256 isn't any more important to Bitcoin than an individual worker bee is to Honey Badger.  Their angry buzzing and futile stings simply have no real power.  They can try to make Honey Badger give a shit, but the attempt only results in their own demise.

The Sovereign Citizens of La Serenissima will not allow Gavinista bankster shitlords like R3's Mike Hearn and Coinbase's Brian Armstrong to trade off their critical consensus (as preserved in the Holy Blockchain) for the sake of high time preferences.

Any impatient/impertinent miner that joins in such a hostile effort may go straight to hell, and take their suddenly-obsolete sha256 ASICs with them as a handy doorstop/paperweight/boat anchor/souvenir.

Guy Corem has about as good a business sense as you have. About as much charm and grace too. I really hope you two can join forces and get that shitcoin of yours. Take Peter Todd with you. He seems to like shitcoins.



4161. Post 13947768 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


Do we care that the price hit $430?



4162. Post 13947870 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: oda.krell on February 20, 2016, 11:16:27 AM
You know how the big-block arguments are basically bogus? ... in the end they are appealing to cult of personality (Saint Gavin will save them)
It is not so innocent.

Gavin's 'vision' coincides with banksters narrative we hear every day - yes to bitcoin blockchain, no to bitcoin. For (basically) you don't have to have bitcoins to compete for blockchain inclusion. Unless you think $0.01 worth of bitcoin is considerable hedge against blockchain spam?

You don't pay a penny. You pay a fraction of a bitcoin that was going up exponentially in value. Your coin has less chain-writing utility and so it doesn't appreciate as fast, if at all.  

Don't take my word for it. Look at the five year logarithmic chart.


What are you blabbering about, bud?
Learn the difference between a monetary system and a payment system!

You know what I like best about the smallblockers? How remarkably well they succeed to contain huge cognitive dissonance without blowing apart.

For them it's all about 'preserving the original vision', and never to rewrite the initial social contract, otherwise: chaos, loss of integrity, the banks win.

But then, they somehow also have to deal with the fact that in the white paper, Moses Satoshi mentions the terms "Electronic Cash" twice, "payment" (in a non-technical sense) 6 times, but the term "artificial scarcity driven clearance network" exactly zero times.

I guess it's not so much about preserving the original social contract after all, and more about locking in those parameters, that at some point were introduced rather arbitrarily, that define the social contract they personally like best. Supreme court ideological battles, anyone?

Ouch!



4163. Post 13948047 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 20, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
blunderer says weird things

Like a fucked up Yoda.




4164. Post 13948213 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: ImI on February 20, 2016, 12:09:32 PM
Bitcoin now has a rather nice flag formation after the rise from 200-500 with little media fanfare. The alt's are waking up and the halving is approaching. The only thing keeping bitcoin back is the blocksize debate which will soon resolve either by a HF with majority of miner support, or with Core acquiescing to the demands of the market and miners (3 weeks!) and fixing a 2mb blocksize HF in the roadmap.

The Chinese will stick with Core, they are quite conservative with respect to leadership. I'd be surprised to see Core implement 2MB blocks in addition to segregated witness, but we'll see.

And so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen 300s!

chinese are pushing for 2MB HF, core already hinted compromise. spoken word is HF in early 2017 with several other HF implementations as well.

told ya fuckers

https://twitter.com/cnLedger

If true, then it's hopefully a guarantee against further delays and more stupid.



4165. Post 13948264 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


Looks like Classic wasn't quite off the table after all.

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700981834562162688



4166. Post 13948358 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


I like Antpool.

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700972281221124096

Don't come here and tell me the chinese can't tell it like it is now and then.



4167. Post 13948547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 20, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
Looks like Classic wasn't quite off the table after all.

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700981834562162688
Quote
"If core provide the specific date to deliver HF, and keep the promise"

Core is in no position to make promises on behalf of Honey Badger, much less force him to do anything by a specific date.

A HF done not for technical/engineering reasons, but merely to try and shut up the Classic extortionists, sets a terrible precedent.

If Core is agreeing to throw Gavin a bone just to stop his dogs' barking, the stalemate is broken and all hell will be unleashed on the markets.

I hope Core and Blockstream will on principle refuse to compromise under duress from the threat of Gavincoin's consensus destroying attack.

If they do not, the cold war balance of MAD is over and the Great Schism could get very hot very fast.

And we already have consensus...it's called The Holy Blockchain.


FUD DENIED

sfyl



4168. Post 13948690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: brg444 on February 20, 2016, 12:52:11 PM
Core prevails. Classic coin #rekt. Ya'll #rekt.

GG




4169. Post 13948815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: ImI on February 20, 2016, 01:06:19 PM

waiting for da boom

Big pockets don't hang in the WO thread. I expect a Bloody Fan-Blimmin-Tastic Sunday!!!



4170. Post 13948916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 20, 2016, 01:11:12 PM

waiting for da boom

Big pockets don't hang in the WO thread. I expect a Bloody Fan-Blimmin-Tastic Sunday!!!

Heartbreaking.

Ok, you're big pockets, but you just use your privilege to spit on the peasants.



4171. Post 13948948 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: soullyG on February 20, 2016, 01:22:06 PM
Gentlemen, this is?



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4175. Post 13949078 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Tzupy on February 20, 2016, 01:31:39 PM
The misguided bullishness tells me the time for a short is near, probably 12h from now.

BAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAA
HHHHHHH!!!!!!





4176. Post 13949126 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 20, 2016, 01:34:04 PM

waiting for da boom

Big pockets don't hang in the WO thread. I expect a Bloody Fan-Blimmin-Tastic Sunday!!!

Heartbreaking.

Ok, you're big pockets, but you just use your privilege to spit on the peasants.

I'm neither big pockets nor do I figure in this, in any way. Not buying/selling the news.
But "big pockets" (who care about the outcome of this meeting) not acting for 24hrs after the fact? If that sort of thing happened, people hanging on this forum would be filthy rich.



Fuks given = ZERO




4177. Post 13949239 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on February 20, 2016, 01:33:45 PM
The misguided bullishness tells me the time for a short is near, probably 12h from now.

Still bearish?


Naaahhh.....




4178. Post 13949294 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 20, 2016, 01:52:11 PM

waiting for da boom

Big pockets don't hang in the WO thread. I expect a Bloody Fan-Blimmin-Tastic Sunday!!!

Heartbreaking.

Ok, you're big pockets, but you just use your privilege to spit on the peasants.

I'm neither big pockets nor do I figure in this, in any way. Not buying/selling the news.
But "big pockets" (who care about the outcome of this meeting) not acting for 24hrs after the fact? If that sort of thing happened, people hanging on this forum would be filthy rich.



Fuks given = ZERO



Silly bulls. Treaty of Versailles lasting victory pump failed? Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwM3B9Xqtw



4179. Post 13949313 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 20, 2016, 01:53:57 PM
https://youtu.be/jIagrznDLss

You just showed lambie a video of your kid.



4180. Post 13949486 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: tomothy on February 20, 2016, 02:11:06 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Excellion/status/700870021753384960

Mows exchange about how consensus was reached is a good laugh. Any pools tweets seem to suggest continued sw reservations and desire simply for hf. I guess they're keeping classic in the table for pressure until we see some results? Hope to see 460d again soon anyway. Feels like a nice reprieve.

That's some funny shit!

(non-mobile version) https://twitter.com/Excellion?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor



4181. Post 13949518 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 20, 2016, 02:16:35 PM
I love waking up and war is over. Smiley



 Smiley

Awful...

http://cratesandribbons.com/2012/09/30/the-kissing-sailor-or-the-selective-blindness-of-rape-culture-vj-day-times-square/

Edit: And she was an Austrian jew who lost her family in the Holocaust.



4182. Post 13949624 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/neil-armstrongs-apollo-11-spacesuit-6155505

gg



4183. Post 13949681 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: tomothy on February 20, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Excellion/status/700870021753384960

Mows exchange about how consensus was reached is a good laugh. Any pools tweets seem to suggest continued sw reservations and desire simply for hf. I guess they're keeping classic in the table for pressure until we see some results? Hope to see 460d again soon anyway. Feels like a nice reprieve.

That's some funny shit!

(non-mobile version) https://twitter.com/Excellion?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Right?  Very well done. As an aside, I thought mows discussion of  blockstream in the satire was interesting. He discussed blockstream as bringing happy meal toys and having everyone drink their kool-aid. Its like the miners see two sides of core now. /shrug

 A few favorites:

"9:59 AM: Core devs gather in dark corner and begin the chanting the Song of Bitcoin Destruction."

"10:02 AM: Peter Todd's head swings wildly from side to side as the cacophony of voices incanting "1 MB" reaches a pitched crescendo."

"11:37 AM: Coffee break. Matt Corallo consumes the life essence of another Smurf. His ghostly white hair regains the familiar blue tint."



4184. Post 13949806 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 20, 2016, 02:35:29 PM

A drunk sailor forcing a kiss? Shocker, boys coming back from war are usually so demure and polite... Of course she didn't expect it, look at her body language (hand stiff and by her side). Douche move, worse than Hitler (who never forced his attentions on anyone, AFAIK) but, so what?
And losing her family in the Holocaust plays into this ...how?

You're an ass, that's how.



4185. Post 13949906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Laosai on February 20, 2016, 02:43:42 PM

A drunk sailor forcing a kiss? Shocker, boys coming back from war are usually so demure and polite... Of course she didn't expect it, look at her body language (hand stiff and by her side). Douche move, worse than Hitler (who never forced his attentions on anyone, AFAIK) but, so what?
And losing her family in the Holocaust plays into this ...how?

You're an ass, that's how.

And you're a bitch. Why would it be OK to force this kiss?

wut?

Be Kind Rewind



4186. Post 13950001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 20, 2016, 02:54:15 PM
Der kreig ist aus!

@Fatty Why are you forever defending rape culture? WHY?!? Angry

You're a Canadian bear poo.



4187. Post 13950106 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):




4188. Post 13952105 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on February 20, 2016, 05:34:28 PM
Quote
If there is strong community support, the hard-fork activation will likely happen around July 2017.

~not tonight dear... Grin

 Grin Grin Grin

Blockstream is never to be underestimated. They literally didn't move an inch and everyone is circle jerking "the great compromise"... incredible. What a wet noodle the miners turned out to be... so much for that childish delusion I used to hold.

Watching fatty lose his principles for a $20 $19 relief rally was the hardest part.  Cry

GG guys... GG

Although I am surprised to see anyone thought I had any principles, it does seem like the draft for the consensus is somewhat different from what I initially thought.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46qpua/bitcoin_roundtable_consensus_statement/

"This hard-fork is expected to include features which are currently being discussed within technical communities, including an increase in the maximum effective block size, to more than 2 MB and less than 4 MB, and will only be adopted with a broad support across the entire Bitcoin community."

I've partially accepted the fact that "big blockers" have lost this round and have been trying to figure out if there's any future for Bitcoin after the miners decided to go with Core. I was very encouraged by two things today:

1. Core will commit to a HF of at least 2MB and have the code ready for July. Even if the trigger is Feb 1 2017 it would mean that a lot of the uncertainty surrounding Bitcoins viability would be gone. 2MB with Segwit would allow Bitcoin to grow on the main chain. Not much, but maybe enough for it not to experience an economic collapse.

2. Miners were explicitly threatening to ditch Core if they didn't give them a bump in the block size limit within a given time frame. That is powerful. What little I've understood from this debate is that parts of core are manipulators and lying bastards and can't be trusted, so it would be nice if someone held a gun against their heads.

However, If the miners accept the wording quoted above then this agreement is a total loss. We've seen the phrase "maximum effective block size" before. It takes into account the theoretical increase from segwit and all the other witchcraft they've been talking about lately. Bitusher even started including LN blocks into the calculations in an earlier discussion in this thread. We might end up with less than 1MB maxBlockSize on the main chain by the looks of it.

In short, I'm as disappointed in me as you are.



4189. Post 13952293 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: S3052 on February 20, 2016, 06:47:15 PM
bitcoin prices at a cross road now...

It will go down



4190. Post 13952350 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 20, 2016, 06:45:43 PM


Although I am surprised to see anyone thought I had any principles, it does seem like the draft for the consensus is somewhat different from what I initially thought.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46qpua/bitcoin_roundtable_consensus_statement/

"This hard-fork is expected to include features which are currently being discussed within technical communities, including an increase in the maximum effective block size, to more than 2 MB and less than 4 MB, and will only be adopted with a broad support across the entire Bitcoin community."

I've partially accepted the fact that "big blockers" have lost this round and have been trying to figure out if there's any future for Bitcoin after the miners decided to go with Core. I was very encouraged by two things today:

1. Core will commit to a HF of at least 2MB and have the code ready for July. Even if the trigger is Feb 1 2017 it would mean that a lot of the uncertainty surrounding Bitcoins viability would be gone. 2MB with Segwit would allow Bitcoin to grow on the main chain. Not much, but maybe enough for it not to experience an economic collapse.

2. Miners were explicitly threatening to ditch Core if they didn't give them a bump in the block size limit within a given time frame. That is powerful. What little I've understood from this debate is that parts of core are manipulators and lying bastards and can't be trusted, so it would be nice if someone held a gun against their heads.

However, If the miners accept the wording quoted above then this agreement is a total loss. We've seen the phrase "maximum effective block size" before. It takes into account the theoretical increase from segwit and all the other witchcraft they've been talking about lately. Bitusher even started including LN blocks into the calculations in an earlier discussion in this thread. We might end up with less than 1MB maxBlockSize on the main chain by the looks of it.

In short, I'm as disappointed in me as you are.

I called it.

Quote
We're dealing with a management team that rejects as a matter of principle ANY accountability to stakeholders. It's fucking Divine Right of Kings. Do you think parliament could have forced King John to sign the Magna Carta without an army at their backs?  Our miners are looking pretty uncomfortable and out of place in their battle armor.]



Again.



Maybe there is something to this wisdom of the swamp people.

It just took the age of the internet for the rest of the world to understand what you're mumbling about.



4191. Post 13952651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 20, 2016, 07:20:50 PM

I hope you've learned something here, besides what it feels like to be crushed by a 75,000 horsepower iCEBREAKER.


You'll always be a loser in my eyes.



4192. Post 13952750 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.jq3kwmpb5

It's better than the draft, but July 2017 is a very long wait.



4193. Post 13952835 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 20, 2016, 07:38:45 PM
Final Statement of the meeting

Quote
On February 21st, 2016, in Hong Kong’s Cyberport, representatives from the bitcoin industry and members of the development community have agreed on the following points:

  • We understand that SegWit continues to be developed actively as a soft-fork and is likely to proceed towards release over the next two months, as originally scheduled.
  • We will continue to work with the entire Bitcoin protocol development community to develop, in public, a safe hard-fork based on the improvements in SegWit. The Bitcoin Core contributors present at the Bitcoin Roundtable will have an implementation of such a hard-fork available as a recommendation to Bitcoin Core within three months after the release of SegWit.

.....



https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.exez94i1a

is the HF they are referring to a blocksize increase or a way of making segwit mandatory??

was this all for show?

"including an increase in the non-witness data to be around 2 MB, with the total size no more than 4 MB,"

@Vanilla_Ice go play in traffic



4194. Post 13952913 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 20, 2016, 07:43:17 PM
Final Statement of the meeting

Quote
On February 21st, 2016, in Hong Kong’s Cyberport, representatives from the bitcoin industry and members of the development community have agreed on the following points:

  • We understand that SegWit continues to be developed actively as a soft-fork and is likely to proceed towards release over the next two months, as originally scheduled.
  • We will continue to work with the entire Bitcoin protocol development community to develop, in public, a safe hard-fork based on the improvements in SegWit. The Bitcoin Core contributors present at the Bitcoin Roundtable will have an implementation of such a hard-fork available as a recommendation to Bitcoin Core within three months after the release of SegWit.

.....



https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.exez94i1a

is the HF they are referring to a blocksize increase or a way of making segwit mandatory??

was this all for show?

"including an increase in the non-witness data to be around 2 MB, with the total size no more than 4 MB,"
still unclear, " non-witness data "  " total size no more than 4 MB" so 2MB for this segwit crap innovation, and +1MB to blocksize?Huh? totaling 4MB??
why can't they just do this :


FFS!

We'll see what magic they pull out of their arses; or if miners go gangsta on them and make Matts hair turn....some other fucked up colour.



4195. Post 13952960 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):



Can someone please explain what Guy Corem is doing in this meeting?

I mean, other than being an asshole?



4196. Post 13953206 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 20, 2016, 08:12:57 PM
i feel the need to "hedge" against the possibility that this wasn't it....  Cry



4197. Post 13953277 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 20, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
it would be nice to get some estimate as to how much hashing power behind this meeting

oh wait these are pool right?

hahahaha they own 0 hashing power
Nah, BW, Antpool, Bitfury, BTCC, F2Pool all run most of the hashing power on their pools.



4198. Post 13953469 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 20, 2016, 08:38:21 PM

July 2017 is a very long wait
Cry Cry Cry


Nothing concrete, just another delay. And a delay was all blockstream wanted.   Cry
"Bitcoin and its users can go fuck themselves" seems to be the only take away from this   Cry

Ha ha.  You lose.  Again.  Just like I told you would happen.



We all lose, you fucking dimwit.



4199. Post 13953803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 20, 2016, 08:50:03 PM

July 2017 is a very long wait
Cry Cry Cry


Nothing concrete, just another delay. And a delay was all blockstream wanted.   Cry
"Bitcoin and its users can go fuck themselves" seems to be the only take away from this   Cry

Ha ha.  You lose.  Again.  Just like I told you would happen.



We all lose, you fucking dimwit.

That's nice.  Go tell Bitcoin Obituaries all about your whiny poutrage and how you wanted 2MB blocks Right Meow.

The only way Honey Badger loses is if he starts giving a shit about your endless, petulant butthurt.   Kiss

sry, I'm not french



4200. Post 13953849 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 20, 2016, 09:12:33 PM

July 2017 is a very long wait
Cry Cry Cry


Nothing concrete, just another delay. And a delay was all blockstream wanted.   Cry
"Bitcoin and its users can go fuck themselves" seems to be the only take away from this   Cry

Ha ha.  You lose.  Again.  Just like I told you would happen.



We all lose, you fucking dimwit.

That's nice.  Go tell Bitcoin Obituaries all about your whiny poutrage and how you wanted 2MB blocks Right Meow.

The only way Honey Badger loses is if he starts giving a shit about your endless, petulant butthurt.   Kiss




ragequit whilst you can fatty Cheesy

U R French



4201. Post 13954181 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


If I wanted to ragequit I would have spent my Bitcoins to spam the network.

Thankfully I am unique and special.



4202. Post 13954295 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bakingbad on February 20, 2016, 09:55:50 PM
its sad that the price has stopped growing, i hope that soon we will see the upwards tendencies once again

It turns out that the people who secure the Bitcoin network are very gullible. That might have something to do with it.



4203. Post 13954570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Laosai on February 20, 2016, 10:25:26 PM
200,000 Gox coins incoming next. Everybody check yer bucket. Smiley



PS. I wonder if Jimbo made a claim for his lost 50? Jimbo?

What the fuck is this? Oo

Now you're being culturally insensitive. That's a canadian national pastime.



4204. Post 13954983 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 20, 2016, 11:09:22 PM
new pump incoming ... the crassic storm of poutrage FUD is just feeding the fire now, driving the vortex from the other side.

Anti-fragile demonstrations have been the biggest drivers for bitcoin price appreciation thus far.

FUD harder lusers, it's working for us Smiley

Tell me, are you french too?



4205. Post 13955177 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: blunderer on February 20, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
...
Few people decide the future of 'Bitcoin'.... really decentralized , right ?

An unregulated currency money, created by & for people united by their unwavering faith in greed being a virtue?

What could possibly go wrong???

That's proof of stake, silly.

Proof of work is serious business, dontcha know?

There's a Russian book about NEP (1920s, after the revolution -- corrupt Soviet privatization program), and, just like today, there were shell corporations which served as facades for whatever_was_really_making_money. Anyhow, in this book they ran a firm called "Horns & Hooves," which had nothing to do with horns or hooves. In the back room, there were two barrels, a length of hose, and a hired boy. The boy's job was to put a full barrel up on the table, connect it with the length of a hose to the empty barrel below, and let the water gravity-siphon into the empty barrel. Once that was done, he simply moved the full barrel onto the table, the [now] empty one to the floor, and repeat the process ad infinitum.
Work.

If you are VButerin I will literally shit myself.



4206. Post 13955334 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 20, 2016, 11:45:08 PM
Ya. I can barely understand Bitcoin. Embarrassed

I think the clue is to write angrily as if you know something and be very upset when others disagree with you.




4207. Post 13955413 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 20, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
^^Hero member woot. Congrats gifs incoming! Hold please...

Three cheers for Fatty!!!



Thx!



"Dididadadududadadididadadududada.....burrrggrrrrssss!!!!"



4208. Post 13955434 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 12:02:45 AM


Get fat or go home. Congrats Chubs. You deserve this^

Doesn't really look like she needs me.

Nor will I need much once I get my Oculus.

VirtualRealPorn.com takes Bitcoin.



4209. Post 13955451 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 12:05:08 AM
Heroic Fatman in motion:

So elegant, so powerful.

That's amazing! You can even see which fold I hid my dick in.



4210. Post 13955473 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 12:07:47 AM
^^Hero member woot. Congrats gifs incoming! Hold please...

Three cheers for Fatty!!!

Thx!



"Dididadadududadadididadadududada.....burrrggrrrrssss!!!!"

Only 1MB required? You a spy, Fatty? Shocked Roll Eyes Angry

I was young and foolish.



4211. Post 13955588 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 12:22:06 AM
This hard-fork is expected to include features which are currently being discussed within technical communities, including an increase in the non-witness data to be around 2 MB, with the total size no more than 4 MB, and will only be adopted with broad support across the entire Bitcoin community.

    SegWit is expected to be released in April 2016.
    The code for the hard-fork will therefore be available by July 2016.
    If there is strong community support, the hard-fork activation will likely happen around July 2017.

So if someone started a purely classic/xt pool and got more than 5% hashing power...

I see an opportunity.

PiratePool



4212. Post 13955597 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: shmadz on February 21, 2016, 12:29:23 AM

You gotta trust somebody Sad
Right. with bitcoin I need to trust the integrity of the blockchain, that the record has not been tampered with. I can verify this myself, and I can cross-verify with several thousand other nodes across the network.

In a fiat transaction I need to trust the government and central bank, which do not have a great track record over the last hundred years. When was the last time the federal reserve was audited?

Again, you can verify your bitcoin on the blockchain all you want, but
Quote
... a transaction is not simply sending the money in one direction. A transaction is only complete when the stuff you paid for arrives at your door. Shit ain't trustless if you want to buy a car from me, you send me your trustless money, and I take your money & show you my middle finger. You get no car. What now?
Bitcoin is solving only one half of the trust equation, the half I never had trouble with in fiat. My bank never stole any of my money, and, what's more, my CC *lends me money at zero interest, to use, for free Shocked Does Bitcoin lend you money?
Oh, and my parents' money was also never stolen by their bank. We're a lucky bunch Smiley

As far as auditing federal reserve, I never even audited Bitcoin software, and shit's open source. And BTC goes missing all the time, think Gox. If my bank runs away with my money, gets haxxored, or loses $$$ due to malleability, my account is FDIC insured, so I'm good Smiley

Does FDIC have sufficient reserves to ensure everyone's money?

What about if I live in cypress? Or Greece?

Cypress is in Texas, so he's good.



4213. Post 13955645 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: shmadz on February 21, 2016, 12:36:19 AM
This hard-fork is expected to include features which are currently being discussed within technical communities, including an increase in the non-witness data to be around 2 MB, with the total size no more than 4 MB, and will only be adopted with broad support across the entire Bitcoin community.

    SegWit is expected to be released in April 2016.
    The code for the hard-fork will therefore be available by July 2016.
    If there is strong community support, the hard-fork activation will likely happen around July 2017.

So if someone started a purely classic/xt pool and got more than 5% hashing power...

Exactly. If someone ran a purely classic/xt pool and got more than 5% hashing power they should be able to single-handedly prevent any future hard fork of the bitcoin consensus protocol.

Why do you think there has been no changes to TCP/IP in the last 20 years? Why do you think IPV6 still has less than 1% implementation?

Changes to consensus protocol are not easy, nor should they be.

Nor am I.....

Muahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!



4214. Post 13955665 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 12:39:28 AM
^So much evil in the heart of one man. How? Cry

Fat people have enlarged hearts.



4215. Post 13955776 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 12:45:58 AM
^So much evil in the heart of one man. How? Cry

Fat people have enlarged hearts.

Interesting.
How do they have so much darkness in their souls tho?

Well, the idea that the fat person is fat because he/she is a fat lazy bastard is foreign to the fat person. So to make sense of the fact that he/she is in fact fat he/she starts blaming the world.

* I am not referring to the fat person as he/she of PC reasons. It's just very hard to tell sometimes.



4216. Post 13955815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 12:57:20 AM
^So much evil in the heart of one man. How? Cry

Fat people have enlarged hearts.

Interesting.
How do they have so much darkness in their souls tho?

Well, the idea that the fat person is fat because he/she is a fat lazy bastard is foreign to the fat person. So to make sense of the fact that he/she is in fact fat he/she starts blaming the world.

* I am not referring to the fat person as he/she of PC reasons. It's just very hard to tell sometimes.

I appreciate the fact you totally discount the possibility of genetic causes. Me too! I think it's important to instantly shift blame onto the individual. Shame is a godly virtue and a powerful motivator.

We are lutherans where I come from. We would feel lost without it.



4217. Post 13957561 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 21, 2016, 03:03:35 AM
make note of anyone loudly expressing frustration with this agreement and actively trying to stop it

its likely they are stupid.

FFS

We'll see. I have a feeling you'll be screaming from the rooftops in a few months.



4218. Post 13957731 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: rebuilder on February 21, 2016, 07:42:53 AM
Shmadz, BJA: to comment on double spend risks. You both seem to have missed some details.

Yeah, but China has ~75% hashpower, not 50%.  winning three bets in a row with 75% odds is a 42% chance, a heluva lot higher than 6.25%

If you have 75% of the hashrate, your success rate with double-spends is 100%, since you are guaranteed to be building the longest chain. Sure, 25% of the blocks will not be built by you, but you have the power to discard those from the blockchain. I'd guess a double-spend in this kind of scenario would probably be best achieved by willingly orphaning the blocks containing the tx  you want to re-spend. So the situation, if you assume Chinese miners are all in collusion, is actually worse than BJA is saying.

OTOH, honest miners aren't the only protection against double spends. simple race attacks can be detected by any sufficiently connected node. That won't help against dishonest miners, but the kind of attack a majoroty miner could pull off seems pretty problematic in terms of financial gains. The attack would be detected too quickly for the miner to exchange their BTC for other assets and take delivery of said assets, so any profits would be counted in BTC. And what do yout think happens to the BTC price if a majority miner goes rogue?


Chinese miners are among the bitcoin businesses who have the most to fear from a 51% attack. All their income is denominated in BTC.

But if the chinese government turns hostile and starts telling them what to do it could turn ugly quick.

I am very curious if any of them have an official political minder from the party on their payroll. If so, then it could be very difficult to avoid taking part in an attack.



4219. Post 13958108 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: shmadz on February 21, 2016, 08:31:57 AM
Shmadz, BJA: to comment on double spend risks. You both seem to have missed some details.

Yeah, but China has ~75% hashpower, not 50%.  winning three bets in a row with 75% odds is a 42% chance, a heluva lot higher than 6.25%

If you have 75% of the hashrate, your success rate with double-spends is 100%, since you are guaranteed to be building the longest chain. Sure, 25% of the blocks will not be built by you, but you have the power to discard those from the blockchain. I'd guess a double-spend in this kind of scenario would probably be best achieved by willingly orphaning the blocks containing the tx  you want to re-spend. So the situation, if you assume Chinese miners are all in collusion, is actually worse than BJA is saying.

OTOH, honest miners aren't the only protection against double spends. simple race attacks can be detected by any sufficiently connected node. That won't help against dishonest miners, but the kind of attack a majoroty miner could pull off seems pretty problematic in terms of financial gains. The attack would be detected too quickly for the miner to exchange their BTC for other assets and take delivery of said assets, so any profits would be counted in BTC. And what do yout think happens to the BTC price if a majority miner goes rogue?


Chinese miners are among the bitcoin businesses who have the most to fear from a 51% attack. All their income is denominated in BTC.

But if the chinese government turns hostile and starts telling them what to do it could turn ugly quick.

I am very curious if any of them have an official political minder from the party on their payroll. If so, then it could be very difficult to avoid taking part in an attack.

Hmmmm, there was a good interview with a guy who had been talking with Chinese miners, and mentioned that the Chinese miners are running into a diminishing returns problem where if they control too much of the market, when they add hash power they are competing against themselves.

David Johnston, it's in the first 15 minutes. https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-crypto-show-with-dapps-david-johnston-and-the-breaking-live-fbi-siege-in-burns-oregon

Sure, but they can't form a cartel, 'cause then someone else will just whoop their asses. In this way Bitcoin is pure, although brutal.



4220. Post 13959570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 21, 2016, 10:55:26 AM

MP is just way more relevant to bitcoin and its ecosystem that you and your classic wannabes will ever be.

And it is certain the reference bitcoin implementation they produced will not comprise any hard fork material besides the keccak algochange should the roundtable of powerrangers and their miners besties take a step further into highjacking bitcoin for their own interest.

What brand of stupid are these people?

"Some crypto enthusiasts have gotten the notion that they'll decruft the Satoshi codebase. This is where they polish the turd."

It reads as if they themselves are "decrufting" the Satoshi codebase. And that they themselves think it's shit.

I thought this site was a bad joke at first. It sort of still is, but a different flavour.



4221. Post 13959803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


TIMBER!



4222. Post 13960288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: ImI on February 21, 2016, 01:09:07 PM

TIMBER!

looks like this community is beyond repairable. the consensus found yesterday is already under heavy fire. no surprise eth starts rising again, people want a functioning circle of developers.

only way out of this mess could be that the miners just patch the code, in the end bitcoin has no decentralized way of deciding things apart from POW.

Everyone will read that document like the devil reads The Bible, and it looks like one way of looking at it is that the core road map is unchanged. 2MB non-segwit but 4MB max total smells like little to no change in maxBlockSize. Their encouragement of using more signature heavy txs might eat up much of the 4MB. Idk, we might have to whip some answers out of Bitusher when he's back. It's pretty clear though that Bitcoin is not going to allow many more users for the next 18 months. Sort of hard to get all pumped up about this.



4223. Post 13960459 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: ImI on February 21, 2016, 01:25:44 PM

TIMBER!

looks like this community is beyond repairable. the consensus found yesterday is already under heavy fire. no surprise eth starts rising again, people want a functioning circle of developers.

only way out of this mess could be that the miners just patch the code, in the end bitcoin has no decentralized way of deciding things apart from POW.

Everyone will read that document like the devil reads The Bible, and it looks like one way of looking at it is that the core road map is unchanged. 2MB non-segwit but 4MB max total smells like little to no change in maxBlockSize. Their encouragement of using more signature heavy txs might eat up much of the 4MB. Idk, we might have to whip some answers out of Bitusher when he's back. It's pretty clear though that Bitcoin is not going to allow many more users for the next 18 months. Sort of hard to get all pumped up about this.

true, would be nice to have it implemented in the roadmap.

but "no new users"? i disagree, we will loose microTXs and gain new users that are doing bigger TXs. is it a good thing to loose microTXs? no of course not! but Bitcoin will survive to let them go for some time.

We'll see. I can't find any reliable data on how much space microTXs account for in the blocks. In fact, it is difficult finding reliable data about anything in Bitcoin because we're a bunch of lying cheating bastards. So I've spent a bit of time just looking at the txs coming in (https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/). A surprisingly large portion of txs seems to be fairly sizable txs in dollar terms.

Oh, and I didn't say "no new users", I said not "many more users". We might be able to handle a modest linear adoption curve, but Bitcoin won't be able to handle an adoption wave. We're pretty much at the mercy of speculators for a while longer.



4224. Post 13960493 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 21, 2016, 01:29:54 PM

TIMBER!

looks like this community is beyond repairable. the consensus found yesterday is already under heavy fire. no surprise eth starts rising again, people want a functioning circle of developers.

only way out of this mess could be that the miners just patch the code, in the end bitcoin has no decentralized way of deciding things apart from POW.

Everyone will read that document like the devil reads The Bible, and it looks like one way of looking at it is that the core road map is unchanged. 2MB non-segwit but 4MB max total smells like little to no change in maxBlockSize. Their encouragement of using more signature heavy txs might eat up much of the 4MB. Idk, we might have to whip some answers out of Bitusher when he's back. It's pretty clear though that Bitcoin is not going to allow many more users for the next 18 months. Sort of hard to get all pumped up about this.

true, would be nice to have it implemented in the roadmap.

but "no new users"? i disagree, we will loose microTXs and gain new users that are doing bigger TXs. is it a good thing to loose microTXs? no of course not! but Bitcoin will survive to let them go for some time.

If a document reads like the Bible, it's clearly not a document. The reason that actual, IRL documents read like they do is because grownups hire paralegals to draft them, so that they would be legally binding, exact, and not open to interpretation like some free-fucking-form poetry.

"A document is a written, drawn, presented or recorded representation of thoughts."

You can call it something else if you want though.




4225. Post 13960628 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 21, 2016, 01:45:52 PM
@tub-0-lard: by "document" i meant "a document useful in business."  But you're correct, free-fucking-form-poetry and atonal jazz are technically documents too Smiley

Well, that piece of atonal jazz they all signed left me with the impression that someone, probably not the miners, wanted plenty of room for interpretation.



4226. Post 13961138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: rebuilder on February 21, 2016, 02:09:35 PM
So, to sum up.
Yesterday's news: We have consensus!
Today's news: We don't have consensus, we have another split!

Oh well. At least the miners are taking action. They'll be the ones to decide how this goes, whatever the devs say. Hard to argue with hashpower.

The code should be ready for July this year. It shouldn't take long to see if the miners are ok with what's being done.



4227. Post 13961367 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 21, 2016, 02:55:20 PM
So, to sum up.
Yesterday's news: We have consensus!
Today's news: We don't have consensus, we have another split!

Oh well. At least the miners are taking action. They'll be the ones to decide how this goes, whatever the devs say. Hard to argue with hashpower.

agree. miners will have to take responsibility, devs seem incapable of doing so.


y'all clueless, if not useless.

so just focus in not eating your shorts by the end of the day, that would be great enough.

why dont you just leave and do some "Heil Hitler!" with your FN-friends? bitcoin is libertarian in the end, nothing a true fascist could go inline with.

wtf is this hitler fantasy you accuse me of?
ever thought of consulting with a shrink for all the paranoid holocaust visions you seem to terrorize yourself with?

"bitcoin is libertarian" what the fuck ever this means to you. Huh

Bitcoin is money, not some rainbow socialist democratic freeshit.

Funny, a closet nazi!



4228. Post 13961675 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: ImI on February 21, 2016, 03:18:10 PM

lol! now friedenbach threatens with a change of PoW.

seems like some part of core is really decisive about being left behind by the community.

It's like a fucking kindergarten.



4229. Post 13961948 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 21, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
but in this particular issue its just the other way around! the community, the exchanges, the economy, some devs, some core devs AND the miners agree pretty much on a way forward. its just a small group of core-devs (even a minority INSIDE of core) that wants to force its will onto millions of others.

its ridiculous!

The vast majority are ok with the compromise. A few insist on classic HF or a 1MB4evah.

So if we have like

90 (segwit+hf later as long as there is a time schedule for it)
5 (only hf2mb)
5 (only segwit)

The "5"s, won't matter that much.

As long as wladimir refuses to put his foot down, they will.



4230. Post 13962307 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 21, 2016, 04:24:18 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46po4l/we_have_consensus_in_april_we_get_sw_3_months/d082hi8

This is what I predicted. The holdout elements in Core object to the very IDEA of political compromise because they see it as a betrayal of engineering principles.  This plays right into bigblocker hands, of course, because Now the miners will know what we have been dealing with all this time. Smallblockers will not compromise. ever. The only option is to route around the roadblock with Classic or something like it.

The sane elements in core know that they are in danger of getting left behind by the "economic majority" and they will concede and agree to the Roundtable agreement. So Core is split. That's good news. it's what we wanted. Divide and Conquer.

Now instead of Core against the world, it's half of core against the world.  The purists smallblockers will win because there is bias for the status quo in their governance model. They will win the battle and lose the war.

Core will reject the agreement and the miners will reject Core.  Classic comes out on top.

Cheap coins ahead!


How the fuck did The South lose?



4231. Post 13963356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 21, 2016, 06:10:47 PM

Coins are moving! what are the chances that those coins are moving to exchanges where they will be dumped on the heads of overoptimistic bulls?  


ZERO




4232. Post 13965812 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 21, 2016, 10:50:19 PM
make note of anyone loudly expressing frustration with this agreement and actively trying to stop it

its likely they are stupid.

FFS

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372397.0

strongly recommend moving your BTC out of coinbase
do not trust these spot light loving restarts, and show them your disuse for actively trying to stop what little progress we FINALLY have made, by leaving them.
if you leave coins on coinbase, you are supporting, another year of bitching and nothing getting done while bitcoin bleeds.

Don't be a retard, Adam. You know Coinbase isn't the problem.



4233. Post 13965960 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 21, 2016, 10:55:40 PM
make note of anyone loudly expressing frustration with this agreement and actively trying to stop it

its likely they are stupid.

FFS

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372397.0

strongly recommend moving your BTC out of coinbase
do not trust these spot light loving restarts, and show them your disuse for actively trying to stop what little progress we FINALLY have made, by leaving them.
if you leave coins on coinbase, you are supporting, another year of bitching and nothing getting done while bitcoin bleeds.

Don't be a retard, Adam. You know Coinbase isn't the problem.

the problem is bitcoin is bleeding

and everyone is like:

 use this bandaid

no use MY bandaid

no my bandaid is best

mean while bitcoin continues to bleed

get your coins out guys.

Yeah, but you'll have to be a canadian sized pussy to blame the guy suggesting bandaids rather than the guys stabbing our little btc-puppy.

You'll have to start taking cues from Mr.Cube.

"When I'm called off, I got a sawed-off
Squeeze the trigger and bodies are hauled off
You too boy if you fuck with me
The police are gonna have to come and get me
Off your ass, that's how I'm going out
For the punk motherfuckers that's showing out"




4234. Post 13966036 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 11:13:59 PM
^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9BqZ6eA5c

There's just one major weakness with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wNnezPUno



4235. Post 13966080 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 11:22:20 PM
^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9BqZ6eA5c

There's just one major weakness with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wNnezPUno

Check yo self before you r3kt yourself, homie! Angry

Sry man, Flavor Flav is a poisonous person.



4236. Post 13966183 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 21, 2016, 11:34:32 PM
^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am9BqZ6eA5c

There's just one major weakness with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36wNnezPUno

Check yo self before you r3kt yourself, homie! Angry

Sry man, Flavor Flav is a poisonous person.

When you fight the power for as long as he has...Violence just sort of becomes who you are. Sad

At least he is punctual.



4237. Post 13966254 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on February 21, 2016, 11:44:19 PM
make note of anyone loudly expressing frustration with this agreement and actively trying to stop it

its likely they are stupid.

FFS

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372397.0

strongly recommend moving your BTC out of coinbase
do not trust these spot light loving restarts, and show them your disuse for actively trying to stop what little progress we FINALLY have made, by leaving them.
if you leave coins on coinbase, you are supporting, another year of bitching and nothing getting done while bitcoin bleeds.

I checkid my coinbase app on my iPad to see price has raised sence community has reached uncotinshous concentsus. Then I red that CEO brian is trying to kill bit coins with more capacity before late 2017. Quickly, I moved my millis to my blockchain wallet, phew, thanks Adam, that guy is evil for real, tries to kill the bit coin concentsus.

This honey marmot don't care about capashity, price raised to $1000 in 2013 with 1MB, and wheel do again in 2016. Cheers, we can't loose.

Skål!!!



4238. Post 13966526 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 22, 2016, 12:11:27 AM
make note of anyone loudly expressing frustration with this agreement and actively trying to stop it

its likely they are stupid.

FFS

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1372397.0

strongly recommend moving your BTC out of coinbase
do not trust these spot light loving restarts, and show them your disuse for actively trying to stop what little progress we FINALLY have made, by leaving them.
if you leave coins on coinbase, you are supporting, another year of bitching and nothing getting done while bitcoin bleeds.

I checkid my coinbase app on my iPad to see price has raised sence community has reached uncotinshous concentsus. Then I red that CEO brian is trying to kill bit coins with more capacity before late 2017. Quickly, I moved my millis to my blockchain wallet, phew, thanks Adam, that guy is evil for real, tries to kill the bit coin concentsus.

This honey marmot don't care about capashity, price raised to $1000 in 2013 with 1MB, and wheel do again in 2016. Cheers, we can't loose.

Skål!!!

coinbase could get there way you two would be here telling us they are killing bitcoin
all you care about the entertainment value of disagreeing...
admit it.

I'm halfway in the "wait and see"-phase, but I'm glad there are central business actors in the Bitcoin space who's got the guts to tell the devs off when they deserve it. I still think the lot of them should be fired. At the very least, Wladimir should go. But it doesn't work that way, so having some big players calling them out is nice.

Besides, we all know you'll be here screaming like a little bitch when Wladimir refuses to implement the code 5-6 months from now. We wouldn't want to make you feel out of place.



4239. Post 13970684 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: mainpmf on February 22, 2016, 11:44:58 AM
Can't we make a thread called "let everyone one fight over bitcoins issues and developments" and let this one for TA and graphs about speculation?  Sad

You go first. Or was that it?  Huh

Oh I'm no good at it. I'm not an excellent trader and I suck at TA! That's why I need this thread :-/

Just a bit tired of the debates on this thread, I learn some things so it's cool but most of the time I don't understand shit...

I like this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064374.0

But there are others as well.



4240. Post 13976400 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 22, 2016, 08:58:18 PM
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/i-m-a-former-green-beret-here-s-how-i-would-bring-down-bitcoin-1456165726

billyjoeallen (imposter account)
NotLambChop (and plethora of sockpups, currently blunderer, bargainbin)
BlindMayorBitcoin
aztecminer (imposter account)

Why is there nothing parenthetical after my name? What am I?Undecided

A joker?  Grin

I do my best. Jimbo will you please tell Marcus I'm not a spy. It's wearing thin. Embarrassed

I think Marcus is on to something.

I'm going back to saying you're lambie.



4241. Post 13976595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 22, 2016, 09:38:08 PM
Sometimes the last cut is the deepest. Cry Undecided


That's why it's the last.



4242. Post 13976858 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 22, 2016, 10:16:16 PM
Sometimes the last cut is the deepest. Cry Undecided

That's why it's the last.

Ok. I'll take the hint.

What hint? It's pure logic.

It's like when idiots complain about their car keys always being in the last place they look. Why would you keep looking?



4243. Post 13977934 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 23, 2016, 12:35:11 AM



4244. Post 13978027 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 23, 2016, 01:26:22 AM
^^What do they call Whoppers in that crazy language of yours? Anything like German, with those gigantic sausage words? (apparently I'm not the only one to find them obscene, because Google just informed me:
"The German language has lost its longest word thanks to a change in the law to conform with EU regulations. Rindfleischetikettierungsueberwachungsaufgabenuebertragungsgesetz - meaning "law delegating beef label monitoring" - was introduced in 1999 in the state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania."

Ha ha, EU outlawed German Cheesy


Whoppers



4245. Post 13980296 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Hunyadi on February 23, 2016, 07:34:16 AM
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/i-m-a-former-green-beret-here-s-how-i-would-bring-down-bitcoin-1456165726

billyjoeallen (imposter account)
NotLambChop (and plethora of sockpups, currently blunderer, bargainbin)
BlindMayorBitcoin
aztecminer (imposter account)

That's a very good read. It also could explain why this thread is becoming more and more toxic  Cry

Please read also this article (I really hope you do!):

http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2016/02/22/my-view-on-the-.html


Bitcoiners are one of the most diverse bag of nutters you've ever seen. Even if there are "impostors" trying to kill Bitcoin here, how would we notice? How could they possibly make a difference?

And if we're just trying to rid the community of assholes it will be a barren and lonely place.



4246. Post 13981876 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 23, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
Ouch!
That was a heavy dump!
Finex and stamp had been down to 416! Shocked

could you imagine some internet token being actually worth more than 400$?

either the dollar has deeply depreciate, or people have just gone mad.

anyway, much more profit to be made on the downside of a market.

200$ would be easier to get than 800$ at this point.

and tibane knows it. Grin

So simple. No hidden agenda. Some people just want to see the world burn.



4247. Post 13982029 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 23, 2016, 11:50:35 AM
Better to increase your stack of btc when the market falls rather than just getting more fiat when it is going up.

The bullrun has stalled and dumped, expect more dumps until we touch ground and refilled the rockets.

Or you can just buy now, cry later.

You sure did your part. GG



4248. Post 13982689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


It turns out it's not just Bitcoiners who's struggling with core:

"[–]Roman Catholic luke-jr 1 point 1 day ago

Catholicism is not a branch, it is the Faith, and the Roman Catholic Church is the specific institution defined by God. The only reconciliation is therefore those outside the Church abandoning their errors and joining the Church. Any other kind of "reunion" is inherently evil and sinful to pursue."


https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/46lmei/views_on_christian_ecumenism/d0948fy

Good choice guyz!


Jokes aside, I was actually kind of optimistic when I saw some of his comments on the roundtable thread on reddit. Especially this:


"[–]chriswheeler 8 points 2 days ago

So why have you just signed a statement agreeing to implement a hard fork?

[–]luke-jr Luke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 30 points 2 days ago

Because the cost of increasing the limit is lower than the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork."


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46rk3d/final_version_bitcoin_roundtable_consensus/d07fwo1



4249. Post 13982915 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: ImI on February 23, 2016, 01:25:07 PM
[–]luke-jr Luke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 30 points 2 days ago

Because the cost of increasing the limit is lower than the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork."[/i]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46rk3d/final_version_bitcoin_roundtable_consensus/d07fwo1


that's remarkable sound! never would have expected him to be able to such a insight/compromise.

now we only need to convince the other nutters left or get going without them. friedenbach would be to name here. i am surprised we havent heard anything from todd etc about their colleague being against the consensus.

And here's another nugget:


Quote
[–]apoefjmqdsfls -2 points 2 days ago

Is Gavin already searching for a new name?

[–]luke-jr Luke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 0 points 2 days ago

Doesn't matter, the final version does not use any specific names (besides Core).
This was mainly to avoid negativity and give Classic a possibility of transforming into a part of this plan and a "legitimate" node software.

[–]keo604 -1 points 2 days ago

Legitimate, as approved by the centralists?

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 2 points 2 days ago

As in not breaking from the community consensus. But yes, it is defined in the agreement by compatibility with Core. However, if Core were to depart from what has consensus, I think this would change the "foreseeable future" aspect, thus releasing the obligation entirely (but I don't expect this to happen).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46rk3d/final_version_bitcoin_roundtable_consensus/d07ggt2

I'm not sure exactly what he means by this, but it might look like they're trying to work with/leave a door open for Gavin and maybe Jeff. But Gavin and Jeff will probably need to see some real progress in order to lower their arms. If they can get the activation date set a bit earlier then that might be as good as it gets. The clock is ticking and I doubt they can convince miners to adopt Classic before/unless some promises are broken by Core. By July even Classic would struggle with an activation date earlier than Jan-Feb 2017.



4250. Post 13983087 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 23, 2016, 01:49:59 PM

Don't worry, there's another Bitcoin Round Table in the works Cheesy
This weekend, 70 leaders in the Bitcoin and blockchain industry are meeting for a retreat.
Brought to you by The Bitcoin Foundation & Bruce "Fenton" Fenton Cool


Thx, I added a suggestion.




4251. Post 13984899 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: barbs on February 23, 2016, 04:46:16 PM
Where's the moon I was promised

                         "You want moon?"



4252. Post 13986094 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 23, 2016, 06:47:04 PM
ah fucking hell wtf.

GF's debit card stashed between pages of Atlas Shrugged, new PIN on p. 36.
Double down.
GL!
PM your physical address

No no no, no time to explain, run to ATM now!


395 Avenue Dorval, Dorval, QC H9S 3H6

lets meet for a friendly chat

A gas station in the middle of nowhere.

Bitcoiners.



4253. Post 13988014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on February 23, 2016, 10:25:59 PM
signs of war in the heavens ... or is it the blockapocalypse?
Repent!



pm luke-jr for further instructions

Wooooow!!!

A piece of toast with a picture of my art teacher from school!!!



4254. Post 13998529 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 24, 2016, 08:26:44 PM
LOL, just withdrew some BTC from an exchange, they are paying 0.00015936 XBT = $0.0924195 CAD per tx. just got 2 confirmations in like 2 minus.
Blocks are only full if your are not paying almost $0.10 per transaction.

We don't need to guesstimate:

From cointape.com, based on what is happening:

1-10   satoshi per byte = from 7 blocks to infinity.
11-20 satoshi per byte = from 2 blocks to 28   
21-30 satoshi per byte = from 0 to 5 blocks
31-40 satoshi per byte = from 0 to 2 blocks
41-50 satoshi per byte = from 0 to 1 blocks

10 satoshi per byte = 0.011$ per 258byte tx
20 satoshi per byte = 0.022$ per 258byte tx
30 satoshi per byte = 0.033$ per 258byte tx
40 satoshi per byte = 0.044$ per 258byte tx
50 satoshi per byte = 0.055$ per 258byte tx



it's OK tho, when LN comes out fee will go right back to 1cent, because it will relieve a lot of pressure from the blockchain

thats the plan right?

LOL

their plan is so full of contradictions

Yep, and we go from being a community of equals to facilitating a settlement layer for large economic entities to run LN and sidechains on. If you're worried about node centralization, lean back for a while and try to figure out who the fuck will want to run a regular node for free for that.



4255. Post 13998925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on February 24, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
Small blockists = small dicks

That's not true, I've consistently pushed for larger blocks.



4256. Post 13999071 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: aztecminer on February 24, 2016, 09:57:07 PM
what are u a govy shill ?? it is definitely not out of the question that i would leave the USA .. or that i might give up my citizenship too.. problem is I cannot own a gun in most places i might move too . you are arguing it is ok for the USA to rip everyone off.. and i disagree with you.. and your 'interest to infinity' debt slavery system is built upon THEFT .

Taxation in any state, especially a modern democracy with strong and developed institutions, is completely justified, if by nothing else, by the fact that your ability to create wealth is enabled by the state. Whether or not a country is prosperous is entirely dependent on the quality of government. If you look outside of that retarded snow globe we call The US of A you will quickly discover that countries which have lacked good governance over long periods have crumbled or simply not reached its full potential.



4257. Post 14002867 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/702096019698286592



4258. Post 14003134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 25, 2016, 03:27:58 AM
blocks are completely full
every single one
my 1cent fee tx has yet to be mined

They are full precisely because almost all near-zero fee transactions are currently included.

Are all zero fee transactions included in Litecoin, Dash, monero, etherium?  Bitcoin is losing market share because competitors are underpricing us. 

Just open a block explorer and you'll see LTC and DASH has like 4-5-6 tx/block, monero is at 0-1.

BTC does like 2000 txs/block.

You are either gaining market share or you are losing it. It doesn't matter how far of a lead you have. if your competitor is picking up speed and you are slowing down, in a long enough race, you will lose.

no coin has had the heat thrown at it that bitcoin has ... if any of them get big enough to warrant more than a 'meh' then the blow torch comes on them.

I want to see the BS of V. Buterin explode into a full-blown internet rage war, PoS ethereum is going to encourage some truly sick politicking, you thought PoW chinese miners was an 'issue'?

No coin...yet. We seem to be talking past each other. Look, there can be only one "most marketable commodity" by definition. Another word for that term is "money".  In order for something to be marketable, you have to be able to bring it to market. To exchange it.  NO cryptocoin is money yet, but no cryptocoin will ever become money if it can't be exchangeable in the frequencies money needs to be exchanged.

If Etherium has more utility due to smart contracts, turing completeness or whatever, it will gain market share faster. PoS has serious problems and I've always said that, but it turns our PoW also has a serious problem: Chinese electricity and labor cost advantages means ANY PoW plan may result in the same loss of censorship resistance Bitcoin is experiencing with mining overdevelopment and concentration in one political jurisdiction.

 

Caspar? POS? Vitalik's a cowboy. Will any of that even blend?

If Ethereum manages to prove that PoS is safe on a large scale, Bitcoin might have to move to PoS as well.



4259. Post 14003351 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 25, 2016, 05:56:11 AM
This might help clear out some of the cobwebs of your confusion adam...    Kiss



idk the guy, he's chinese i assumed he was a big blocker.

peter todd shouldn't be allowed to have friends.

Samson Mow is the best comedian working in the Bitcoin space.  And FYI he's Canadian.

Can we get him to write a sitcom about Peter Todd and Luke Jr as an odd couple that somehow gets locked in a room together in every episode?

I'm picturing a sort of Peep Show meets Big Bang Theory angsty geekfest of feisty mutual loathing with occasional rapport and reconciliation.   Grin

Richard Ayoade as The Todd.  David Mitchell as Luke?  Benedict Wong can play Samson when they break the fourth wall.   Tongue

That show would last five minutes, ending with Luke-JR hammering a cross through Peters heart while reciting scripture in latin with an appalachian accent.

I'd watch it.



4260. Post 14004033 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

http://xtnodes.com/

13 classic blocks mined in the last 1000.



4261. Post 14004142 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 25, 2016, 10:53:54 AM
blocks are completely full
every single one
my 1cent fee tx has yet to be mined

They are full precisely because almost all near-zero fee transactions are currently included.

Are all zero fee transactions included in Litecoin, Dash, monero, etherium?  Bitcoin is losing market share because competitors are underpricing us. 

Just open a block explorer and you'll see LTC and DASH has like 4-5-6 tx/block, monero is at 0-1.

BTC does like 2000 txs/block.

You are either gaining market share or you are losing it. It doesn't matter how far of a lead you have. if your competitor is picking up speed and you are slowing down, in a long enough race, you will lose.

no coin has had the heat thrown at it that bitcoin has ... if any of them get big enough to warrant more than a 'meh' then the blow torch comes on them.

I want to see the BS of V. Buterin explode into a full-blown internet rage war, PoS ethereum is going to encourage some truly sick politicking, you thought PoW chinese miners was an 'issue'?

No coin...yet. We seem to be talking past each other. Look, there can be only one "most marketable commodity" by definition. Another word for that term is "money".  In order for something to be marketable, you have to be able to bring it to market. To exchange it.  NO cryptocoin is money yet, but no cryptocoin will ever become money if it can't be exchangeable in the frequencies money needs to be exchanged.

If Etherium has more utility due to smart contracts, turing completeness or whatever, it will gain market share faster. PoS has serious problems and I've always said that, but it turns our PoW also has a serious problem: Chinese electricity and labor cost advantages means ANY PoW plan may result in the same loss of censorship resistance Bitcoin is experiencing with mining overdevelopment and concentration in one political jurisdiction.

 

Caspar? POS? Vitalik's a cowboy. Will any of that even blend?

If Ethereum manages to prove that PoS is safe on a large scale, Bitcoin might have to move to PoS as well.

Have there been any examples of PoS coins running in a true decentralized way?

Maybe Nxt, Peercoin certainly isn't. But those tiny shitcoins don't prove much.

It needs to be proven to handle large economic actors as well as a large number of users and large numbers of bad actors.

Ethereum is interesting in that it's not a currency, so a double spend or similar won't fundamentally harm its raison d'ętre.

That way they can afford to risk running an unproven technology like this, whereas Bitcoin can't.



4262. Post 14006879 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):


Anyone who said buy eth?

Down +15% in 5 minutes.

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_eth



4263. Post 14007265 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: watashi-kokoto on February 25, 2016, 04:26:56 PM
I need ideas

what kind of indicators would be useful to you for bitcoin trading from the shill drama?

shill post vs total posts on the board?

doing a kind of shill posting analyzing tool

Idk, but if idiot posts came into play you just moved the needle.



4264. Post 14007412 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 25, 2016, 04:43:49 PM
blocks are completely full
every single one
my 1cent fee tx has yet to be mined

They are full precisely because almost all near-zero fee transactions are currently included.

Are all zero fee transactions included in Litecoin, Dash, monero, etherium?  Bitcoin is losing market share because competitors are underpricing us. 

Just open a block explorer and you'll see LTC and DASH has like 4-5-6 tx/block, monero is at 0-1.

BTC does like 2000 txs/block.

You are either gaining market share or you are losing it. It doesn't matter how far of a lead you have. if your competitor is picking up speed and you are slowing down, in a long enough race, you will lose.

no coin has had the heat thrown at it that bitcoin has ... if any of them get big enough to warrant more than a 'meh' then the blow torch comes on them.

I want to see the BS of V. Buterin explode into a full-blown internet rage war, PoS ethereum is going to encourage some truly sick politicking, you thought PoW chinese miners was an 'issue'?

No coin...yet. We seem to be talking past each other. Look, there can be only one "most marketable commodity" by definition. Another word for that term is "money".  In order for something to be marketable, you have to be able to bring it to market. To exchange it.  NO cryptocoin is money yet, but no cryptocoin will ever become money if it can't be exchangeable in the frequencies money needs to be exchanged.

If Etherium has more utility due to smart contracts, turing completeness or whatever, it will gain market share faster. PoS has serious problems and I've always said that, but it turns our PoW also has a serious problem: Chinese electricity and labor cost advantages means ANY PoW plan may result in the same loss of censorship resistance Bitcoin is experiencing with mining overdevelopment and concentration in one political jurisdiction.

 

Caspar? POS? Vitalik's a cowboy. Will any of that even blend?

If Ethereum manages to prove that PoS is safe on a large scale, Bitcoin might have to move to PoS as well.

Have there been any examples of PoS coins running in a true decentralized way?

Maybe Nxt, Peercoin certainly isn't. But those tiny shitcoins don't prove much.

It needs to be proven to handle large economic actors as well as a large number of users and large numbers of bad actors.

Ethereum is interesting in that it's not a currency, so a double spend or similar won't fundamentally harm its raison d'ętre.

That way they can afford to risk running an unproven technology like this, whereas Bitcoin can't.

"The foundation and its subsidiaries alone simply do not have the manpower to push the entirety of this vision through to its ultimate completion, including proof-of-stake driven scalable blockchains, seamlessly integrated distributed hash tables, programming languages with formal verification systems backed by state-of-the-art theorem provers and dozens of categories of middleware, all by itself; although the foundation and its subsidiaries can, and will, continue to be the primary driver of technology at the core, a highly community-driven model is necessary and essential, both to help the Ethereum ecosystem maximally grow and flourish and to establish Ethereum as a decentralized project which is ultimately owned by all of humanity, and not any one group."

IDK. Seems like a pretty tall order.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/09/28/the-evolution-of-ethereum/

Vit B has been selling a large portion of their eth holdings otc during this rally so I think things have changed a bit.



4265. Post 14008385 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 25, 2016, 06:16:26 PM

Thanks, I missed it earlier. Very good write up.

Quote
Why Bitcoin's Decentralization Matters

Bitcoiners, from Bitcoin Core developers to long-time Bitcoin enthusiasts to recent /r/Bitcoin discoverers, love to talk about how Bitcoin’s decentralization is its ultimate feature. Rarely, however, do you see anyone explain why decentralization matters - surely it’s an interesting property from a computer science perspective, but why should consumers, businesses or investors care? This post is an attempt to write out why decentralization is foundational to Bitcoin’s utility and, somewhat more importantly, set up future posts talking about when it isn’t.

https://twitter.com/onemorepeter/status/702807258003017728

That is brilliant, I'll steal that link.



4266. Post 14008984 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 25, 2016, 07:08:27 PM
i'm trying hard to remain calm and get some anwers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1376895.0

Blockstream and their employees are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 First, the conspiracy was that Blockstream was a unified cabal of developers with a vision to control bitcoin and a plan to force everyone to use their subscription sidechain products.

Now when the nutters find out that Blockstream has a contract which allows developers to independently express their thoughts without being coerced into following a unified company plan and are free to independently develop and contribute what they want with autonomy than they scream foul as if this is some attempt to further stall development.

f2pool could have been mature about this matter and simply emailed Adam a friendly email to clarify what the issue was , but instead they decided to stir up some really petty drama so they could appease the widest audience with their political games of using false nVersion's to give miners on their pool a false sense they are "voting" for classic when the nodes are really running core. These political games aren't that big of a deal in of themselves besides being unprofessional , but when they are done with the ignorance of the inherent risks that using false nVersion's creates, is really harmful to our ecosystem*.


* Using false nVersion's risk triggering safety warnings or potential forks.  


You are conflating different peoples views. Both sides have a wide variety of overlapping consensus. If you start conflating peoples opinions it will necessarily look ridiculous.

Anyhew. What was the point of the meeting? Why would the miners agree to these concessions if the other side had only glass beads to offer back?

There's a lot of money at stake. Devs are gambling with the future of these peoples companies. The miners came to do business and expected the other side to do so as well. If the devs are so unconcerned with throwing everyone else under the bus they will discover what decentralized really means.

We'll see if Adams attempt to unring the bell will work, but it's pretty obvious that his and other devs commitment to this "consensus" is far less meaningful than the miners were lead to believe.



4267. Post 14009290 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.45h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 25, 2016, 07:42:02 PM
Anyhew. What was the point of the meeting? Why would the miners agree to these concessions if the other side had only glass beads to offer back?

The devs that signed the proposal were some of the more pessimistic and cautious core devs regarding raising the blocksize . Most of the other devs will be easier to hear and convince to rally behind once the technical details are fully elaborated.


There's a lot of money at stake. Devs are gambling with the future of these peoples companies.


This is ridiculous statement to make. Devs have absolutely no control over the miners, merchants, payment processors, users. We all have to choose to run or upgrade to their software.... that is the VOTE! Their influence over our ecosystem is completely indirect because even those that hate them secretly respect their expertise and efforts. Do not become bitter that you cannot force devs to write and maintain code for you that goes against their advice or moral conscience.  

Which is why...

Quote from: Fatman3001 on February 25, 2016, 07:22:15 PM
If the devs are so unconcerned with throwing everyone else under the bus they will discover what decentralized really means.



4268. Post 14010726 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 25, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
let try and change to mood in here.



classic core head and shoulders pattern about to complete, targeting just under 400.


AKA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM



ftfy



4269. Post 14011059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: becoin on February 25, 2016, 11:05:12 PM
if you small blocker truly believe the shit you say you should from a group that wishes to lower block limit to 0.5MB.

you'll get more decentralization and security, for everything else there's the Lighting Network promiseland.


I know that you know that most people want bigger blocks - sooner or later.
Why keep saying stuff like this?

Because I know that you know that most people want free money.
But if they get what they want that will not be money any more!

     ^

He used to be smart. What happened?

Is it the fluoride water thingy aztec was talking about?



4270. Post 14011388 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 26, 2016, 12:07:32 AM
anyone that say adam back was right not representing blockstreams interest at the meeting in HK is a fucking retard!

the point of the damn meeting was to get some agreement between blockstream and chinese miner....

they wasted and continue to wast EVERYONE'S time, thats the bottom line.

Hear, hear



4271. Post 14013915 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 26, 2016, 06:29:06 AM
JayJuanGee, now you are the one that is going bonkers.

Geez, you're slow.

Oh, and congratulations with your stint as ruthless dictator. Gave me a lol.



4272. Post 14017288 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Hunyadi on February 26, 2016, 02:09:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9DqVWZXhE8&feature=youtu.be&t=4m45s

  Cool

Wow!

Listening to normal people talk about Bitcoin is weird.



4273. Post 14017615 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 26, 2016, 02:44:27 PM
Lambie, you’re becoming a bully like iCEBREAKER Cry

Now you're being unfair. Lambie has always been an asshole. iCEBREAKER is the pretender. And not a very good one.

But seriously, eli5 it to me now. How will decentralization be altered in a meaningful way if the number of nodes go down from 6000 to 2000 (I don't think it would, but I'm curious nonetheless)?



4274. Post 14018660 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 26, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
https://medium.com/@LeoAW/what-makes-bitcoin-secure-and-how-transaction-fees-keep-it-secure-86c36ec58cf#.sgvi4guoz

Quote
Conclusion

In conclusion, even with efficiency improvements like Segregated Witnesses, and alternative payment channels like Lightning, it will not be possible to scale Bitcoin to a value far above that of today without compromising its security. Significant blocksize increases might relieve fee pressure, but might carry with them other security or centralization issues not discussed here.

Lots of "if's" there. When every number in a calculation is an unknown...



4275. Post 14019510 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 26, 2016, 05:01:15 PM
Lambie, you’re becoming a bully like iCEBREAKER Cry

Now you're being unfair. Lambie has always been an asshole. iCEBREAKER is the pretender. And not a very good one.

But seriously, eli5 it to me now. How will decentralization be altered in a meaningful way if the number of nodes go down from 6000 to 2000 (I don't think it would, but I'm curious nonetheless)?

What is often overlooked is the fact that number of nodes is irrelevant if all nodes are run by the same parties, this is why it's crucial that the nodes can be run on people's personal computers at home, at their offices, and so on. "Specialization" of nodes, would kill Bitcoin as we know it (as a decentralized currency), this is why there is a clear agenda by some people to raise the block size and make Bitcoin nodes end up as centralized as mining is right now.

?

That's not an answer, that's a paranoid delusion.



Again with the agendas.

Even if this weird conspiracy were to play out there are still people out there, real people like you and me, with ultra high speed connections. And I can buy 20 professional grade used servers with sas drives and xeon processors for $300 a piece on our national equivalent to ebay. I'm guessing ebay has something similar. So all we need to protect ourselves from this cataclysmic event is to have some slightly above average dedicated Bitcoin nutters. A quick look at the WO thread tells me we're safe for now.

And again, who are these "people" with "a clear agenda"? I want names. If the agenda really is "clear" it should be easy to attach it to some identifiable entities. And if this agenda is so bloody clear, I want it explained in detail.



4276. Post 14019551 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: hdbuck on February 26, 2016, 06:10:12 PM
https://medium.com/@LeoAW/what-makes-bitcoin-secure-and-how-transaction-fees-keep-it-secure-86c36ec58cf#.sgvi4guoz

Quote
Conclusion

In conclusion, even with efficiency improvements like Segregated Witnesses, and alternative payment channels like Lightning, it will not be possible to scale Bitcoin to a value far above that of today without compromising its security. Significant blocksize increases might relieve fee pressure, but might carry with them other security or centralization issues not discussed here.

Lots of "if's" there. When every number in a calculation is an unknown...

Yes, its much better to "trust" gavin or hearn or the toomins 20mb doubling > 8mb > 4mb > 2mb flexcap fork It nao... The data is real there. Roll Eyes

Glad we agree.



4277. Post 14019653 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on February 26, 2016, 06:15:38 PM
i just realize this :

 cost mining of 1 btc per month at current difficulty (for 12 c per kwh) is around 560 usd  for latest miner.   Shocked Shocked Shocked

:

bullshit.

really?

Mining is at an unsustainable level atm. Next diff adjustment is probably going to be flat or in negative territory: http://bitcoincharts.com/

So unless the BTC price goes up soon we're going to see average block times go up until some months after the halving.

Sure good we have a good margin on those blocks.

WEEEEEEEE!!!!!!



4278. Post 14019734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: noobtrader on February 26, 2016, 06:24:01 PM
i just realize this :

 cost mining of 1 btc per month at current difficulty (for 12 c per kwh) is around 560 usd  for latest miner.   Shocked Shocked Shocked



bullshit.

really?


from
https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator

i get that 1 btc per month need 11 T, this 11 T i assume need 6.5 Kwh

then using
http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/electricity-calculator.htm

i calculate how much usd per month for those 6.5 kwh

 Cool

current gen run 4.73TH at 1293 Watts. And no professional miner pays 12c/kWh. More like 1.5-4 cents.



4279. Post 14019860 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: noobtrader on February 26, 2016, 06:35:02 PM
i just realize this :

 cost mining of 1 btc per month at current difficulty (for 12 c per kwh) is around 560 usd  for latest miner.   Shocked Shocked Shocked



bullshit.

really?


from
https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator

i get that 1 btc per month need 11 T, this 11 T i assume need 6.5 Kwh

then using
http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/electricity-calculator.htm

i calculate how much usd per month for those 6.5 kwh

 Cool

current gen run 4.73TH at 1293 Watts. And no professional miner pays 12c/kWh. More like 1.5-4 cents.

wow... latest miner can do  4.73TH at 1293 Watts. ?

so its about 265 per coin instead  Sad Angry

edit :  nevermind, still above 500 next halving

Depends on other costs, but they're not doing it just for the lulz. There needs to be a profit margin. Especially with this risk profile.



4280. Post 14021111 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

@JJG are you one of lambies characters?



4281. Post 14021197 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 26, 2016, 08:57:40 PM
@JJG are you one of lambies characters?

Aren't we all? Huh

Don't get me started.



4282. Post 14021260 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on February 26, 2016, 09:07:23 PM
the price is pretty stable right now, im wondering if it will stay like that for a while, im looking to buy some bitcoins but honestly i dont have the courage to do that now


There's really no such thing as stable in bitcoin... even though peeples seem to like to throw that word around.

Really, if you are not sure, and you think prices could go up or they could go down, then you should figure out the amount that you are considering investing, and then divide it up into portions that you could invest some portion of that now, and then additional portions if the price goes down (at certain triggering points). 

If you do not have any bitcoins, and you choose to not invest any at all at this point, then that would logically signify that you believe 100% that the price is going to go down, and based on your above text, it already appears that you are not 100% convinced, and you should therefore invest a little bit right now in accordance with your actual view and your risk tolerance.   

No need to get greedy, just invest sensibly to the best of the information now available to you in order that you are prepared for the price to go in either direction in accordance with your risk tolerance and your view of probabilities.



4283. Post 14021303 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 26, 2016, 09:17:21 PM
^
This is merely your feeble attempt at manifesting in some of my recent content, but I may or may not be working on, or, rather, composing, another post that may or, in all likelihood, shall, address some, if not all, of these areas of your purported and/or potential concern(s), which is to say the concerns you may or may not hold now are likely to be addressed in the post which is the topic of the post I'm currently composing.


Wrong account, doofus!



4284. Post 14021836 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: lemmyK on February 26, 2016, 10:18:21 PM
Caught On Tape: U.S. Test Fires Nuclear ICBM, Warns "We Are Prepared To Use Nuclear Weapons"

Why else would they keep them? Firecrackers?



4285. Post 14022198 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on February 26, 2016, 11:03:16 PM
@JJG are you one of lambies characters?


You are a fucking stupid ass.

You keep asking this question regarding whether I am Lambie or somehow affiliated... blah, blah, blah, and it seems likely that you are just attempting to spread misinformation for some unknown, and probably stupid ass reason.

You have absolutely zero information that would support such a suggestion that I am Lambie or anyhow affiliated (or maybe if I give you the benefit of the doubt, you have 1% information that could support such a stupid ass conjecture).

In this regard, you seem to be acting as a fucking nut job that is obsessed with thoughts that every account that asserts something that kind of sort of resembles something that Lambie might possibly could have maybe perhaps say is Lambie....

Get off of your fucking dumbass illogical thinking.... and maybe get out a little bit in order that you can become a little bit more worldly, and maybe even working on your logic, may be helpful?

 Roll Eyes    Roll Eyes


 Cheesy Cheesy

I just find the volume of stupidity coming from you a bit baffling. As if it was some kind of artifice.



4286. Post 14022262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on February 26, 2016, 11:04:20 PM


Yes, why don't you get started with your stupid-ass belief that everyone is lambie...


except you of course.

what a dumb ass.

Don't freak me out you crazy fuck!



4287. Post 14025259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: lottery248 on February 27, 2016, 08:07:01 AM

hmmm... the price of bitcoin is supposed to be up higher than the expected, as the bitcoin reward halve.
it should be at least $860 in the next halve, because the actual demand is remaining the same.

.... but bitcoins aren't destroyed. You can recycle them.



4288. Post 14028531 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on February 27, 2016, 02:55:33 PM

[An update on the solar solo mine would be groovy too.]

When building a Solar power grid or using microhydro one must plan for peak electrical use. I prefer Microhydro, but the cost of solar is getting much cheaper every year. Normally, one would float charge batteries and than burn off extra electricity to heat water , but I find that solar water heaters are better suited for this task, and excess electricity that would normally be discarded is used to mine bitcoin.

What would be the best of all worlds is using those ASICs to heat water as well to close the loop and recycle the waste heat.

Originally and all the way up through the GPU era, mining was something that could be done profitably part time, so taking advantage of off-peak cheap electricity was an excellent use case. Now however, miners are so damn expensive, that if they are not running 24/7 you can run a real risk of never being able to recoup your capital investment.

It is a race to break even before your miners are obsolete, halving cuts revenue, or the market crashes. I guess if you live somewhere cold, you could still run obsolete miners as a space heater, sell them as a curiosity or mine some altcoin with a SHA256 hashing protocol and a much lower difficulty, but other than that, it's a race.  

WE HAVE A CHICKEN AND EGG PROBLEM. Miners outside of China are reluctant to invest substantially in new mining gear because they face an uphill battle competing with Chinese mines with electricity and labor cost advantage.

Miners are also reluctant to build up because the code development uncertainty and scaling uncertainty.  It's hard to make long term plans with so many unknowns. So mining concentration may not be corrected until there is code development decentralization.

Then we have the problem that code development centralization (with Core) is an established practice, something that will not be easily changed, if at all.  Miners do not want to switch to Classic or other alternative because they fear (rightly IMHO) that a switch will cause market volatility or an outright crash.
They can't do something even if they know or suspect it is in their long-term best interest if they need to keep mining revenue high enough to pay for their gear operations in a shorter time period.

The vaccine could cause the death of the patient before it cures it. I think this is a risk worth taking, but I'm not a miner. It is up to them.  Without taking the medicine, there is limited potential for growth and price appreciation.

Any miners want to weigh in on this?

Not a miner, but someone who had to deal with off-the-grid (due to ...no grid being available) power (wind, solar, diesel, hydro) and water cooling (well... machined my own waterblocks, at least):

First, the reason that non-subsidized alt energy is not used more often is because -- yeah, it's a tremendous pain, and is far more expensive than being on the grid. The most practical off-the-grid power sources are gas/diesel generators. There even were some portable gas turbines, lol.  
Second, there's no need to convert electricity into heat to store it, because see here. Granted, you need a legal hookup & power meters.
Micro hydro is basically a joke, because you need head. like so:

It's great when there are no alternatives and you're lucky enough to be in *just the right place,* but it's not a paddle wheel in a stream hooked up to an car alternator.

Using hot water from waterblocks (how many commercial miners are currently water-cooled? Yeah, water cooling's expensive, that's why.) is a non-starter - think about plumbing farm, think how useful warm water is (not hot, if your chip's running at 120C, the water entering your water block is ~35C & exiting @ ~60C) , etc., etc.

TL;DR: Most people advocating shit like that don't know which end of the screwdriver to stick in a screw.

There are some remote locations where it may be possible to build this kind of setup profitably due to lack of regulations, lack of competition from the grid, constant demand due to cold climate, etc. but those areas also suffer from a lack of bandwidth that makes capitalizing on them for Bitcoin mining a non-starter.

You can run a farm on a mobile broadband connection if you're mining on a pool. And that won't change.



4289. Post 14031102 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: 8up on February 27, 2016, 06:15:21 PM
...
OMG - you envision a fee market (long before it's neccessary), but you can not see the commoditization of mining equipment hence re-decentralization of mining!?

I don't understand what you mean. Explain?

If I remember right, there is even a paper written on this topic. But for the start, this should work: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o71hh/physics_and_economics_will_distributed_mining_im/

"As someone who comes from a physics and engineering background, over the long run I'm not concerned with mining centralization. Physics will ensure it is distributed."
"As a result, the mining centralization we see in Greenland and large data centers becomes enormously unprofitable. Any centralization of mining would REQUIRE heat recycling, which severely limits data centers and necessitates distribution unless you introduce heat pumps, which also increase cost."
--submitted 1 year ago
How's that decentralization goin' thus far?

The guy doesn't understand that mining is centralized in China, not Greenland.
He doesn't understand that it's economically idiotic to heat your hot water with miners, because miners need *cold water* going into the waterblocks -- recirculating hot water for cooling ain't cooling, it ain't gonna do much. If hot water was used at a constant rate, 24/7, he might have a better point, but it don't work like that.
Regardless, *mining is concentrated around cheap electricity,* not where it's cold (Greenland).
The fact that silicon might hit quantum dead end "round the year 2024" ain't doing diddly for us now.

TL;DR: don't buy his "physics and engineering background," he doesn't think things through.
P.S. If you wanna talk about particulars of utilizing waste heat, I'll be glad to.

P.P.S. LOL, HE'S the bro behind "That is why we are building a bitcoin miner that fits inside a water heater."
I remember when IceDrill was selling us stories about their farm providing heat for apartment complexes Cheesy

Well, the heaters are just one thought. But I think there is more to the thought of commoditization (e.g. longer and longer development circles for ASICs). BTW: I don't see mining centralization as a big problem. There is always competition by other crypto-currencies to balancethings in Bitcoin.

Let's get to the heat waste discussion: Maybe it would be possible to gain back some energy by using Stirling engines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine

>I don't see mining centralization as a big problem.
In that case, the point's moot. I don't see it as a catastrophic problem, but it's a serious one. One that effectively nulls any pretensions to Bitcoin being "decentralized."

>heaters are just one thought
It's an awful thought. It's fail.

>Stirling engines
Not sure if srs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_engine#Efficiency <==and that's just what's theoretically possible.
Have you also considered this?

Put it this way: Let's say Chinese coal-fired Electricity is 2 pennies per kWh, and yours is 4 pennies. Your Stirling engine manages to convert 3% of wasted heat back into electricity. Yeah.
Bonus: if Stirling heat reclamation made sense, Chinese megaminers would use it too. They'd make the thing, too -- you'll buy it from them Sad

Seriously tho, read the laws of thermodynamics, it's straightforward stuff.

I can see, why it makes no sense for the chinese miners today. However, I expect margins to become zero/negative in the forseeable* future.

What do you think will happen longterm (*10 to 20 years)?

First of all, I think the guy in the article is confusing Greenland with Iceland. Absolutely nothing is concentrated in Greenland.

Second of all, data centers existed before Bitcoin mining, so there's no need to reinvent the wheel. The only viable solution for reusing the heat is to run the mining coolant in several closed loops inside the data center, run them through several heat exchanger where the heat is led to a different closed loop system used for central heating for nearby houses or office buildings. 40-60 degrees celsius through radiators makes sense. Heating the liquid further cancels any gains because it will need to be cooled down again (remember, you can't use the liquid from the closed loop system directly), and water heaters are (as lambie pointed out) used too sporadically.

Third, miners don't do that because sunk cost is a killer in Bitcoin mining. And such a system is very, very....VERY expensive.



4290. Post 14031669 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 27, 2016, 08:07:00 PM
... system used for central heating for nearby houses or office buildings. 40-60 degrees celsius through radiators makes sense. ...
Forced hot water heat temp is 82-98C. 40-60 for radiant heat (not really common).
Would have to be fairly special houses -- central heating (for apartments) usually means *steam* heat (convenient, because no return pipes with steam).

That's part of the problem. It's difficult to retro-install the systems, you basically have to build the neighborhood at the same time as you build the data center. I can't find where I got this from but i think they might have used underfloor heating.



4291. Post 14035717 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Andre# on February 28, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
It is interesting to see just how emotionally based supposed logical thinkers are. And on that note, a thought occurs. rebuilder, is the problem you have with Trump that you are afraid he would be successful at enforcing his immigration policies?

The problem with logic, in this respect, is that it lacks value judgements. Those are important in politics, and they are always present. If everyone were to accept yours and Trumps value judgements, and follow them to their logical conclusion, all hell would break lose. Like we saw in the 30s and 40s.

That's just noise without explaining your definitions. What do you mean by value judgements in this context? What do you see happening? And what happened in the 30s and 40s, for the non-americans among us?

Whether race is an acceptable criterion for other than physical issues (e.g. medical treatment), is a value judgement. If we accept it is, and follow the logic, you can have all kinds of undesirable results, to put it mildly. Like what the Europeans did to the Jews in the 30s and 40s. Or what the Hutus did to the Tutsis in 1994. Or what the Turks did to the Armenians in the 1915. Or what the Russians did to the Tatars in 1943.


I'm being way to polite here. As someone who half of his family was murdered between 1941 and 1944 because of race, and as someone married to a "mud person" as you call them, I think I can genuinely say that you are a first class asshole.


It's scary how quickly people forget. Nothing has changed under the surface. Which is why politics is important.



4292. Post 14036270 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Ibian on February 28, 2016, 10:25:24 AM
Go ahead and show it. I'm genuinely curious.

Sry, no more snuff for you. Just a healthy reminder.




4293. Post 14036797 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Tony Abbot on February 28, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
Swastikas and Klan-robes. Sexist, racist, homophobes.
Aryan-Nations and Hammerskins: you can wear my nuts on your nazi chins!
God, I love a man in uniform!
(But, uh, before we get too intimate here, big fella):
what exactly are the great historical accomplishments of "your" race that make you proud to be white?
Capitalism? Slavery? Genocide? Sitcoms? Guns? War? Pollution? Addiction? NAFTA? Thigh-Master?
This is your fucking white-history, my "friend".
So why don't we start making a history worth being proud of and start fighting the real fucking enemy:
the white male capitalist supremacist.
Swastikas and Klan-robes. Sexist, racist, homophobes.
This one's for the "Master Race": my brown-power ass in your white-power face!
Kill them all and let a Norse God sort 'em out!

Sitcoms.

Oh! And fiskeboller i hvit saus.

What was the question again?



4294. Post 14043133 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: nicked on February 28, 2016, 11:07:30 PM
Could they say "core" a few more times.

It would be nice if Satoshi could just jump back in again. And tell us he's been to rehab.... for smoking baby hair. Maybe we could stop pushing him in front of every argument then.




4295. Post 14043519 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 29, 2016, 12:54:04 AM

It would be nice if Satoshi could just jump back in again. And tell us he's been to rehab.... for smoking baby hair. Maybe we could stop pushing him in front of every argument then.
Wouldn't you rather a delicious helping of girl otter with potato & fish testicles?

@billyjoeallen: Credit is the first step on the cul-de-sac of Debt Slavery.

DO YOU HAVE SOME?

CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME?

NOW?

Stop tummy teasing, you little hussy!



4296. Post 14046955 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on February 29, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
We need more moon pictures.




No can do.

They're rationing fuel.

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 10:50:18 AM

Glad to see some blocks not full. As long as some blocks are not totally full it means new tx can go through right? no transaction can be left unconfirmed if there is still place in a block?

It doesn't matter if blocks are full, because they are full of practically zero cost txs, in terms of fees.

What matters is whether a user can transact - and this is definitely the case, if a user includes a fee like 0.01$ (longer confirmation times) to 0.03 0.05$ (very short confirmation times).

Have you noticed that the mempool tends to bloat up massively whenever the price moves $10-$15?

Spam? Dust? Or people desperately trying to move coins to make a trade?



4297. Post 14048037 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):


Can't move coins to pump.

Can't move coins to dump.

Can't use the frecker.

Bullish?



4298. Post 14048857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 02:29:25 PM
Have you noticed that the mempool tends to bloat up massively whenever the price moves $10-$15?

Spam? Dust? Or people desperately trying to move coins to make a trade?

Why isn't there a fee spike then? Are those "desperate" people to "make a trade" lacking 2-3-4 cents? Would it be a big impact to their wallet to pay such a small fee if they are going to make so much money from a good trade?

Because they are users.

They do what's supposed to work and it doesn't.

Not that adding fees will make the blocks bigger anyway.

Quote from: craked5 on February 29, 2016, 02:41:04 PM
Maybe they're not responsible for it.

For example when you withdraw money of a plateform you have no choice on the fee!

And that.



4299. Post 14048908 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: fred1111 on February 29, 2016, 02:42:11 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35686713



4300. Post 14048990 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):



Jeebus Fucking Creebus!

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/

1.86 million XBT stuck in the mempool!



4301. Post 14049059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):




4302. Post 14049322 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 03:15:23 PM

Jeebus Fucking Creebus!

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/

1.86 million XBT stuck in the mempool!

Gimme a break:

1,900,982.81 XBT (x440 = 836mn USD)

Total fees
4.8090 XBT (x 440 = 2115 USD)

"We want to move around 836mn USD but are only willing to pay 2k in fees so we will wait a few hours or days".

Makes sense, doesn't it?

[I'm beginning to suspect that you're a bit dim.]

No, it doesn't. Which sort of shows that the fee market doesn't work.

Maybe we should invite Mike Hearn back so he can sort this out.




4303. Post 14049450 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 03:31:45 PM

Jeebus Fucking Creebus!

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/

1.86 million XBT stuck in the mempool!

Gimme a break:

1,900,982.81 XBT (x440 = 836mn USD)

Total fees
4.8090 XBT (x 440 = 2115 USD)

"We want to move around 836mn USD but are only willing to pay 2k in fees so we will wait a few hours or days".

Makes sense, doesn't it?

[I'm beginning to suspect that you're a bit dim.]

No, it doesn't. Which sort of shows that the fee market doesn't work.

Maybe we should invite Mike Hearn back so he can sort this out.

The fee market works great:

https://bitcoinfees.21.co

Can you see who are waiting? Oh yes, those who pay the least.

Do you mind if I copy paste this into a thread I'll make on technical so we can get some proper debate about this?



4304. Post 14049598 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

@AlexGR Ok, thx

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1381456.new#new



4305. Post 14049690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 03:45:26 PM

Jeebus Fucking Creebus!

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/

1.86 million XBT stuck in the mempool!

Gimme a break:

1,900,982.81 XBT (x440 = 836mn USD)

Total fees
4.8090 XBT (x 440 = 2115 USD)

"We want to move around 836mn USD but are only willing to pay 2k in fees so we will wait a few hours or days".

Makes sense, doesn't it?

[I'm beginning to suspect that you're a bit dim.]

No, it doesn't. Which sort of shows that the fee market doesn't work.

Maybe we should invite Mike Hearn back so he can sort this out.

The fee market works great:

https://bitcoinfees.21.co

Can you see who are waiting? Oh yes, those who pay the least.

Do you mind if I copy paste this into a thread I'll make on technical so we can get some proper debate about this?

Sure, why not... but you've already made your mind that block size is all that matters - irregardless of the fact that people are paying near-zero cost fees (whether the low priority 0-1-2 cents guys or the higher priority 3-4-5-6 cents guys), so what difference does it make anyway?

My mind is made up to the extent that I think I'm right and no one has managed to convince me otherwise. My problem with you argument here is that the justification for the 1MB limit was to limit spam and dust, not to milk rich people.



4306. Post 14049959 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 04:12:27 PM

Jeebus Fucking Creebus!

https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/

1.86 million XBT stuck in the mempool!

Gimme a break:

1,900,982.81 XBT (x440 = 836mn USD)

Total fees
4.8090 XBT (x 440 = 2115 USD)

"We want to move around 836mn USD but are only willing to pay 2k in fees so we will wait a few hours or days".

Makes sense, doesn't it?

[I'm beginning to suspect that you're a bit dim.]

No, it doesn't. Which sort of shows that the fee market doesn't work.

Maybe we should invite Mike Hearn back so he can sort this out.

The fee market works great:

https://bitcoinfees.21.co

Can you see who are waiting? Oh yes, those who pay the least.

Do you mind if I copy paste this into a thread I'll make on technical so we can get some proper debate about this?

Sure, why not... but you've already made your mind that block size is all that matters - irregardless of the fact that people are paying near-zero cost fees (whether the low priority 0-1-2 cents guys or the higher priority 3-4-5-6 cents guys), so what difference does it make anyway?

My mind is made up to the extent that I think I'm right and no one has managed to convince me otherwise. My problem with you argument here is that the justification for the 1MB limit was to limit spam and dust, not to milk rich people.

The thing is you don't want to be convinced, or change your mind. That's ok - most people are inflexible regarding their belief systems.

The other day I got 250$ in paypal. From sender to recipient's bank account (=my bank account) I lost 20$ in various fees and conversions - and it took 4 days btw because there was a weekend in-between and a "random security check" by paypal that got me +1 day delay.

How is a 3-5 cents fee for an almost instant tx, or 1-2 cents for a few hours tx, "milking the rich" when bitcoin is probably the cheapest payment method compared to banks, visas and paypals?

But, that's irrelevant.

The problem is that genuine transactions aren't getting through.



4307. Post 14050394 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 04:29:35 PM
But, that's irrelevant.

The problem is that genuine transactions aren't getting through.

You can stick various types of stamps on an envelope and depending the accumulated value of the stamps you can ask for first priority, second priority, express, etc.

If, on the other hand, you don't buy stamps that add up to the proper value of even the basic service, your mail will be rejected.

The legitimacy of the intent of the sender is not in question in that case but his level of intelligence is in question - if he expects to conduct his business by not paying what he should.

In bitcoin it's actually better because you have hope that even at 0.4cents or 1 cents, you can get confirmed after a long wait - or you might even get added for free (!).

Now, if people don't know how to set fees, or what fees are appropriate, that may be related to ignoring how BTC is used, or some design failure of the user-interface which is inadequate in warning the user about whether he needs 1c-2c-5c etc and how long it will take for his confirmation. Still, I think with 0.12 you can RBF and bump up your fee and be on your way even if you got it wrong the first time.

What it definitely isn't: a block-size issue.

Because fees add capacity. Got it!



However, my point was that I thought a situation where large numbers of genuine transactions got stuck in the mempool was a situation we wanted to avoid. But as Mike Hearn predicted, users aren't just magically using the correct fee. Almost every fee is 0.0001. Which used to be a very good fee, but today it will get you stuck.

Edit: So basically the situation is like this: the fee market doesn't work because users are insufficiently aware of the issue, and even if it did "work" it seems there are much more than 1MB per block worth of genuine txs at times.



4308. Post 14050665 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: becoin on February 29, 2016, 05:18:39 PM
Who should decide what the fair price of a tx is?
Competition between miners.

So, Bitcoin Unlimited then?



4309. Post 14050867 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 29, 2016, 05:34:24 PM
Regarding fees and blocksize:
People use the best option they have until a better option materializes. This should be obvious. What is going to prevent people from using an altcoin when one becomes a better option, other than censorship and DDoS attacks?  

I watch Shark Tank and it has given me a good idea how successful investors think. Is the idea proprietary? What is the barrier to entry for competition? Is management skilled and motivated?

If you are not investing in a proprietary idea, You have to be investing in the skills/motivation/track record of management. If you aren't investing in at least one of those two things, you are throwing money away.

So knowing that, is Bitcoin a good investment?


All other altcoins are primarily used for speculation alone and have little if not any utility. One has to take a "shapeshift" exchange cut to even spend them. This could change in 5-10 years, no doubt, but it is unwise for people to recommend others to gamble into a testnet scam rather than simply offloading to fiat if they are unhappy with bitcoin. If someone wants to invest in an altcoin because they really believe in it and understand it than so be it... but those threatening to divest into ETH* are mainly doing so as a scare tactic.

No matter how big the blocksize is won't solve our problems. We can still easily doublespend 0 conf txs (without RBF), and waiting 2-3 conf (min recommended) isn't fast enough and will never allow bitcoin to go mainstream. We need Segwit ASAP and multiple payment channel solutions to allow for secure instant tx's and scalability. Allowing spam to drop off and go offchain temporarily is a good thing and will motivate our community to use payment channels instead of simply stuffing everything in a block in a sloppy manner.  

* I would love to hear of a hypothetical use case of Ethereum that wouldn't be better done through Bitcoin or Oracles.

Are you one of the devs?

Is this the hubris that allows them to act this way?



4310. Post 14051139 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 29, 2016, 06:01:44 PM
Are you one of the devs?

Is this the hubris that allows them to act this way?


I am a developer, but have not contributed much to Core besides some testing and comments. Your question is somewhat nonsensical as core is an open source process where any developer can participate(yes, some odd pull requests will be ignored... but I have witnessed new contributors have pull requests accepted. )

As a developer the whole concept of Eth is an act of supererogation and unnecessarily dangerous.

Rather than attack me, Please explain to me a hypothetical use case for Eth that wouldn't be better executed with Bitcoin and oracles besides exciting investors because they hear words like "Turing Complete" and "Blockchain 2.0". I am genuinely open to listening to any hypothetical use cases.



RIght now?

Just about anything, because the blocks are full.



4311. Post 14051879 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: jbreher on February 29, 2016, 07:20:20 PM
I'm banning all 'classic' and XT nodes as transactions sent by those spammers are not valid transactions. They are altcoin promoters.

What is it in the tx data that makes them invalid?
I'm not obliged to explain again and again why free block space to every bitcoin spammer will ruin bitcoin. I've made enough efforts. I'm the owner of the node I run. I decide which tx are valid and which are not! Time to end futile discussions with big blocktards. It is time to act.

Certainly, it is within your power and within your right to refrain from forwarding any transactions as you desire. But that does not really answer the question.

If you have no criteria for objectively determining whether a given transaction was originated by a Classic or an XT node, you'll still be forwarding these that were forwarded to you by intervening Core nodes. Accordingly, how is it that you believe your action to be anything other than impotent?

It slows down tx propagation, so I guess it's detrimental to the network as well as impotent.



4312. Post 14052217 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):




Ahh... The Wonder And Beauty of a planned economy.



4313. Post 14052802 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 05:56:23 PM
Because fees add capacity. Got it!

Fees don't add capacity. They introduce antispamming disincentives to make use of existing capacity in a rational way.

Bitcoin is a p2p protocol that can be subject to numerous p2p attacks, including blockchain bloat attacks, mempool bloat etc - provided the fees are low and that there are co-operating miners that accept near-zero-cost txs for inclusion.

Quote
However, my point was that I thought a situation where large numbers of genuine transactions got stuck in the mempool was a situation we wanted to avoid.

First: Why? What will happen if the mempool is full? We've seen stress scenarios, we've seen what happened when private key lists were handed out - the network managed it pretty well. In the pre-0.12 scenario, let's say some nodes crashed due to lack of memory or something. Now this is fixed with mempool management parameters so you don't need to worry about that.

Second: If you can get txs relayed for near-zero-cost, then what's to say that you won't fill the mempool easily, even with 10mb blocks, by broadcasting 10 times the volume of current spam txs?

Quote
But as Mike Hearn predicted, users aren't just magically using the correct fee. Almost every fee is 0.0001. Which used to be a very good fee, but today it will get you stuck.

0.0001 (fixed) is 0.04$ per tx and it almost certainly will get you in within the first few blocks.
0.0001 per kb is in reality 0.000025 / 0.01$ for a 250byte tx so you'll wait until you bump it up.

There is nothing "very good" about it. It's way too low. Near zero cost fees attract near zero cost abuse. Plus it is not futureproof (the network will not be secure at this level, even if you have 2-10-30mb blocks). Plus it does not replace mining subsidy as it should be doing. Plus it does not give any serious motive to miners to mine the txs when the fees of 1mb block don't even get them 1% of the block reward.

Quote
Edit: So basically the situation is like this: the fee market doesn't work because users are insufficiently aware of the issue, and even if it did "work" it seems there are much more than 1MB per block worth of genuine txs at times.

The fee market works. If someone's wallet is crap in dealing with fees, then they should use external sites to determine what to pay. If they made a mistake, they should bump their fee up with RBF.

AlexGR: Who should decide what the fair price of a tx is?

In the presence of a rational mining market, the miners.

[sry, was away for awhile so I didn't see this]

Why it is bad that genuine txs are stuck in the mempool? Because people tend to want txs to arrive confirmed and ready in a timely manner. It's sort of part of the point with Bitcoin.

What you somehow seem unable to grasp is that this shouldn't be about how much fee you can collect to miners. It's about making sure the network works.

That was the problem Hearn was worried about. People don't use the correct txs because they don't know how or because they don't know it's an issue.

That's why the fee market doesn't work.

So maybe a feature should be implemented into wallets where fees are automatically calculated for you. Well, that's not here. And if it were to matter it should have been in all wallets for a couple of years now so that someone who opened their wallet for the first time in six months or a year to send thousands of dollars worth of BTC doesn't get a nail biting experience.

Bitcoin is getting shittier, not better. That's a problem.



4314. Post 14053145 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: bargainbin on February 29, 2016, 09:26:12 PM
...
Let me ask you this: If I take bitcoin-qt source, change a few lines of code regarding the suggested fees in order to hardwire it to pay a fixed 0.1$ fee (~100 satoshi / byte) for a 250byte tx, compile it and market it as an alternative client that works every single time, then what would you say? That now bitcoin works predictably and that the network is fine? Cheesy
...

Let me cut in. Yes, soon you & hdbuck/brg444/ice will be the only 2 people transacting on Bitcoin.
Caveat: this will make your bitcoins worth less, as in "virtually nothing, because no one uses Bitcoin because useless.
So may not be the utopia you've been dreaming about.

Have you ever played the game Postal? I mean the original Postal?

In the intro there's a view of a normal street with normal people, but it flickers into a parallel inferno where everything is burning and where all the people are killers shooting at you.

This thread kind of reminds me of that game.



4315. Post 14053347 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: luckygenough56 on February 29, 2016, 09:59:03 PM
where are the TAs ?

Stuck in the mempool



4316. Post 14053702 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 29, 2016, 10:34:48 PM

Technically speaking, he is right although all that has happened have created a spin on the events that if we don't include cheap spam in the blockchain then ...bitcoin won't grow... Like bitcoin needs spam growth and not legit tx growth.


I'm not referring to technicalities. I'm referring to the distinctly trollish, catty and defensive edge of his communiques.

Somewhere along the way he turned from funny to bitchy.



4317. Post 14053796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on February 29, 2016, 10:49:09 PM

Technically speaking, he is right although all that has happened have created a spin on the events that if we don't include cheap spam in the blockchain then ...bitcoin won't grow... Like bitcoin needs spam growth and not legit tx growth.


I'm not referring to technicalities. I'm referring to the distinctly trollish, catty and defensive edge of his communiques.

Somewhere along the way he turned from funny to bitchy.

Who cares, it's not like the default value is a network consensus parameter. Anyone can set it to whatever they like, whether 0kb / 0 txs mined or 1000kb. I doubt that people are running huge server farms and can't pull a cli parameter on their own.

I think your brain is glitching.




4318. Post 14053845 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 29, 2016, 10:45:57 PM

Somewhere along the way he turned from funny to bitchy.

Someone's gonna give him a walloping with their handbag or scratch his eyes out at the next roundtable if he doesn't shape up.

Meehh..... Let me see Gavin and Peter Todd duke it out covered in oil with only their glasses and some sumo nappies on.



4319. Post 14054044 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BitUsher on February 29, 2016, 11:13:48 PM
Bitcoin is under attack, and I'm not sure you see it as your salary probably is dependent on this very state.

it startes with this PR war.
Correct. The sudden influx of transactions today means that somebody is trying 'to make' Gavin look like his prediction was accurate when it fact it wasn't. There is a claim from 'experts' (albeit exact information not available I think) from the roundtable that only 40% of the blocks are actually full (if you exclude the spam). The mempool was ~1.5k 2 days ago (this says a lot). However, it also seems like the price doesn't really care.

Interesting ... and there is indeed evidence to back up your claim -

https://twitter.com/lopp/status/703769346921930757


How is this related?

It's dated 6PM 27.feb

txs didn't start to grow until midday 28.feb.



4320. Post 14054106 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on February 29, 2016, 11:34:01 PM
^This was just the first guttural war-cry, probably.

Probably, maybe, perhaps. Let's hang 'em.



Poor Picard



4321. Post 14054137 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: gentlemand on February 29, 2016, 11:35:22 PM

Interesting ... and there is indeed evidence to back up your claim -

https://twitter.com/lopp/status/703769346921930757


I think this is a borderline no brainer and probably a response to the juicy DDos Classic fans received recently. You don't get cloggage out of nowhere of that magnitude unless it's very exceedingly deliberate.

Many Classic supporters are actually indicating this isn't an attack from some posts, and out of respect for them we have to consider the possibility of a surge in growth due to new users or higher activity.

Anyone would have to be monumentally dim to buy that. There are arseholes from every shade of the debate and it only takes a couple. If they had half a brain they could've done a subtle buildup at least.

I'm a Hero Member now. Everything I do is monumental.



4322. Post 14054528 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/bitcoin-new-normal-slow-confirmation-block-size-debate



4323. Post 14057201 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):


3.5million BTC stuck in mempool.

All spam




4324. Post 14057314 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 01, 2016, 08:27:24 AM

3.5million BTC stuck in mempool.

All spam



Of course it's not all spam. But >1/5 of all BTC waiting for a block? Nah, you know about tx based on unconfirmed inputs...

If I had to hazard a guess... this is the big blocker version of nuking the ip's of classic nodes.

It is what it is until proven otherwise.



4325. Post 14058866 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 01, 2016, 08:27:24 AM
[OR... if your lead foil is thick enough... the small blockers doing exactly the opposite of what you'd think they'd do after seeing the big blockers ddos themselves.]

I understand that is the current wisdom. Nobody is attacking each other, just themselves. Nerds are shit at warfare.



4326. Post 14059520 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BitUsher on March 01, 2016, 12:06:04 PM
Very Well Said



http://bitledger.info/hard-fork-risks-and-why-95-should-be-the-standard/



Except, to the extent this is the case, it will still be the case at 95%.



4327. Post 14059764 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: 8up on March 01, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
systems must also be adaptive. otherwise they die.

Haven't you paid attention? The Bitcoin Ledger is Holy.

And eth is for bassoon players.
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagott

Litecoins are apparently too fluffy.

We'll just have to wait 3-4 years until they've ironed out the kinks of LN.



4328. Post 14059869 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AlexGR on March 01, 2016, 12:46:30 PM
If you see someone moving coins between his addresses back and forth, tens/hundreds/thousands of times, is this an attempt at a legitimate transaction?

Link please.

I'd like to see how the current surge is in large part due to a massive spam attack.



4329. Post 14059910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

@Bitusher that pattern alone doesn't add up to the hundreds of MB forced through the system the last couple of days. Nor the millions of BTC.



4330. Post 14060340 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BitUsher on March 01, 2016, 01:31:11 PM
@Bitusher that pattern alone doesn't add up to the hundreds of MB forced through the system the last couple of days. Nor the millions of BTC.
One cannot have perfect knowledge of the intentions of every user on the blockchain. With forensic analysis the most we can do is find some evidence of odd behaviors that do not fit normal use and give it a probability that it may be a spam/ddos attack on the network. Those 2 examples are of high suspect, and there likely is other examples yet to be discovered.

We're not speaking about perfect knowledge or not. Those examples are a very very very tiny part of the txs these last days. They might be a coincidence or unrelated weirdness for all we know. Whether they should be given any weight at this point seems to hinge on what one wants to be the case rather than what can reasonably be justified.



4331. Post 14060650 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 01, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
.@Fatman, Debating like this, without clearly defined premises or rules of inference, is either fun or it isn't.
Either way, it won't be productive.

You're dealing with a guy who claims to be a "developer" (whateverthefuck that means) yet defines "spam" for a Bitcoin thusly:
...actual blockchain use is low and the rest of the free space is topped off with spam. That's why fees don't rise. If every tx was legitimate...

What are the objective criteria by which any given transaction can be classified as being either: a) spam; or b) legitimate?

I have been asking this for months of many who like to kick around the term 'spam'. Many of them repeatedly. Perhaps even you? But to date, I have received exactly zero responsive replies.

Spam includes any unwanted or unnecessary transactions which impose a burden upon the network.

Unwanted and Unnecessary can be defined as tx which are deliberately made to attack the network and hold no purpose other than to cause disruption or bloat. Spam is also defined as any tx that pays far below the necessary threshold of fees that would be considered the norm during a given moment. This can change with time but is always quite distinguishable as seen here. ...

Didn't someone define pornography in loosely similar terms? "Serves no purpose but to subvert; A decent person knows it when he sees it?"

1000 sequential 10 satoshi transactions from a dice site -- not spam.
1000 sequential 10 satoshi transactions from a bad_man -- spamz.
Only hope you don't code like you post.

P.S.
>any tx that pays far below the necessary threshold of fees that would be considered the norm during a given moment

See the colors? Avoid those, because meaningless and open to interpretation. Again, if you code anything like you write...

*Until "spam" is defined (as in "necessary and sufficient," not "you'll know it when you see it"), it's metaphysically impossible prove A, where A = spam.

I just thought he might know wtf is going on.

Everyone seems to automatically assume it's a spam attack without any proper data.



4332. Post 14060941 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 01, 2016, 02:27:06 PM
...
I just thought he might know wtf is going on.

Everyone seems to automatically assume it's a spam attack without any proper data.
His definition of "spam" is, basically, "things we I don't want to happen."
Starting with that, what is happening *is* spam. Nothing more to be said.
A more interesting (and productive) approach would be "let's define spam, describe it, completely and exclusively, in code, so that a dumb machine can know if X is spam or not. Then we wouldn't need to keep having these pointless arguments."

Whatever is happening is happening now. So if we got some proper data to explain this massive surge, and some reliable interpretations of that data, then we could have a discussion on whether its a malicious attack or mainly a surge in genuine txs. If this blows over I guess we may never know, because the Bitcoin community is too polarized atm. But if this is real, if this doesn't blow over, both sides will need to look at the data and move on from there.



4333. Post 14061662 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 01, 2016, 03:16:10 PM
...
I just thought he might know wtf is going on.

Everyone seems to automatically assume it's a spam attack without any proper data.
His definition of "spam" is, basically, "things we I don't want to happen."
Starting with that, what is happening *is* spam. Nothing more to be said.
A more interesting (and productive) approach would be "let's define spam, describe it, completely and exclusively, in code, so that a dumb machine can know if X is spam or not. Then we wouldn't need to keep having these pointless arguments."

Whatever is happening is happening now. So if we got some proper data to explain this massive surge, and some reliable interpretations of that data, then we could have a discussion on whether its a malicious attack or mainly a surge in genuine txs. If this blows over I guess we may never know, because the Bitcoin community is too polarized atm. But if this is real, if this doesn't blow over, both sides will need to look at the data and move on from there.

I don't care about the possible motivations behind what is happening, mainly because I can not possibly hope to create a [human] psych-analyzing ruleset for Bitcoin. For me, it's sufficient that a state, a condition *is possible*. It's possible, we don't like it -- how to make it so we either like it, don't care, or make it go away? Does what_is_happening point to our system being fundamentally flawed? Can it be fixed? At what cost? What are the possible repercussions?

See what I mean, sort of?

P.S. Of course, this is all happening in real time, and girls mainstream press are watching, so the lel factor is not lost on me Cheesy

I sort of agree, but I'm not the one who needs to be convinced. Nor are you.



4334. Post 14063021 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: stoat on March 01, 2016, 05:29:25 PM
Another polite warning to diversify in to ETH. 

An extremely polite warning to drop the spamming.



4335. Post 14063317 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):


One good thing though: there seems to be remarkably few empty blocks in the last hours.



4336. Post 14075217 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 02, 2016, 06:42:07 PM
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!



4337. Post 14075584 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: jbreher on March 02, 2016, 07:44:34 PM
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!

In all truthfulness, I have always wondered the reason for the 2016-block difficulty adjustment. A finer-grained adjustment seems just natural to me. Though I've never looked into it. What are the arguments against a more continuous adjustment?

(The four-year halving always seemed funny to me too. Done merely for simplicity of implementation?)

I don't see why it should matters much. All the miners know about this. If they start fiddling with the halving parameters now, they're messing with the mining market.

If we had BIP101 we'd simply get slightly longer block times. Maybe they should rush that in instead.



4338. Post 14083146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):


People are still mainly paying 0.0001 in fees. Big and small.

They haven't heard about the fee market. Stuff just doesn't work properly.

When will this retarded experiment end....



4339. Post 14083285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: valta4065 on March 03, 2016, 01:17:51 PM

People are still mainly paying 0.0001 in fees. Big and small.

They haven't heard about the fee market. Stuff just doesn't work properly.

When will this retarded experiment end....

What's your solution though?

Bigger blocks aren't a solution. We'd have to rise the size of the block every 6 months. It wouldn't be sustainable.

That's not true.

Can't explain. Number of fucks given rapidly approaching zero.



4340. Post 14083316 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 03, 2016, 01:15:02 PM

People are still mainly paying 0.0001 in fees. Big and small.

They haven't heard about the fee market. Stuff just doesn't work properly.

When will this retarded experiment end....

What's that got to do with ETH tho?

Gravity should take care of eth soon. But it won't help BTC much. All the traders who's been waiting for the pre-halving pump are stuck in traffic.



4341. Post 14083432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: mainpmf on March 03, 2016, 01:34:24 PM


That's not true.

Can't explain. Number of fucks given rapidly approaching zero.

Hmm... From what I know scaling bitcoin on the number of visa tx for example would need blocks of 80GB.
If you do it simply by rising block size.

Anyway zero fuck given won't convince people Tongue

Will people get their heads out of their asses and stop talking about VISA and coffee cups. You can't buy anything with Bitcoin, so neither should be a problem.

It's about making sure the darn thing works. NOW!



4342. Post 14083511 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BitUsher on March 03, 2016, 01:41:56 PM
Can someone explain why people are complaining about the ability to send any amount of money anywhere in the world in about an hour without having to ask a middleman for permission?

To be fair , Bitcoin has to compete in a sea of alts that many do indeed have lower tx fees and faster conf.... They don't have more secure tx's or more stable currencies than bitcoin however and the reason why it is worthwhile spending 2-4 pennies more to instantly get in the next block.

Except if everyone else does it as well. Then you're stuck.



4343. Post 14084234 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BitUsher on March 03, 2016, 02:01:25 PM
Except if everyone else does it as well. Then you're stuck.

That is not how fee markets work , there are upper limits to how much spammers and users will spend on fees. My wallets adjust just fine and insure I always get in the next block. There is never a moment where I have to worry that my tx will time out within the new 72 hour mempool window.

You're right. That's not how it works. Because it doesn't. You're kicking other users off the network by paying higher fees. You're kicking out people who give the network value.

Of course you can get txs through. You're a programmer who's been reading BIPs and have been involved with the scaling debate.

But all those 0.0001 tx people who's shitting their pants because their $5K takes several hours to confirm; for them, the fee market doesn't work. Their txs aren't less important than yours. If they knew they would have to up that fee to 0.001, they would have done so.

Not changing the 1MB limit is an attack on Bitcoin. Not changing the 1MB limit is disruption. Not changing the limit is to rewrite what Bitcoin is. Not changing the 1MB limit is to change consensus.



4344. Post 14084525 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

eth down 10% in 2 minutes and still falling.

Stick with your legacy banking system. Crypto doesn't want you.

Edit: 15% in 3 minutes. Magnificent crash!



4345. Post 14084614 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: jbreher on March 03, 2016, 03:27:59 PM
That is not how fee markets work , there are upper limits to how much spammers andsome users will spend on fees.

FTFY. Especially given the recently published definition of spam as 'transaction accompanied by fee lower than typically included in recent blocks'.

That's a nice definition. It reminds me of an article in The Economist some 20 years ago where they showed how the soviet apparatchiks used definitions to make their data say what they wanted it to say.

No users are affected, some are just redefined as spammers.




4346. Post 14084617 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: xslugx on March 03, 2016, 03:31:38 PM
eth down 10% in 2 minutes and still falling.

Stick with your legacy banking system. Crypto doesn't want you.

Edit: 15% in 3 minutes. Magnificent crash!

Seriously? Damn i'm happy, I was nearly tempted to get in the train!

Make that 20% in 4 min.



4347. Post 14084798 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 03, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
eth down 10% in 2 minutes and still falling.

Stick with your legacy banking system. Crypto doesn't want you.

Edit: 15% in 3 minutes. Magnificent crash!

Seriously? Damn i'm happy, I was nearly tempted to get in the train!

Make that 20% in 4 min.



Edit: Coinmarketcap shows it at 9 bucks. What charts do you have?

Just check poloniex. It's up a bit now. Buyers Beware.



4348. Post 14086906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Sitarow on March 03, 2016, 06:37:14 PM
eth down 10% in 2 minutes and still falling.

Stick with your legacy banking system. Crypto doesn't want you.

Edit: 15% in 3 minutes. Magnificent crash!

eth+15% in the last 24h. What the crash are you saying?

He was referring to the drop that was quick from 0.023 to 0.019.

I'm surprised it bounced and held. I thought the bubble was about to burst.



4349. Post 14087781 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 03, 2016, 09:09:55 PM
Will $400 hold? Huh

Mempool is clearing up. That should be enough for speculators to pump some more.




4350. Post 14088378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: molecular on March 03, 2016, 10:26:16 PM
When will this retarded experiment end....

When tx demand has dropped below 1 MB/block


I was thinking more along the lines of: when will the Bitcoin community wise up and boot out the freckers who got us in this mess and implement 2/4/8mb, BIP101 or Unlimited?



4351. Post 14088630 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: AardvarkAndFriends on March 03, 2016, 10:56:46 PM
When will this retarded experiment end....

When tx demand has dropped below 1 MB/block


I was thinking more along the lines of: when will the Bitcoin community wise up and boot out the freckers who got us in this mess and implement 2/4/8mb, BIP101 or Unlimited?

Core is Love. Give yourself freely to Blockstream. Now stop with the self-sabotaging and onboard already.


"Embrace the love of the pah-wraiths!"



4352. Post 14090822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on March 04, 2016, 02:19:12 AM
If SegWit is going to be shelved then we'd want a 4 MB hardfork ASAP, just imho.

Nah, if we just have to shelve segwit (which they won't, ever), 1.75MB oughtta cover it.

A can kick hard fork to buy time should be put at the maximum possible limit so we are not tediously going through all this derp molasses again next year.

[wut? that can't be right....I'm tired.]

Quote
Quote
I can agree with you there [feels weird], miners would soft limit below the hard limit anyway, like they did before we hit the 1MB ceiling. I'm for a fee market, just one determined by the producers, not the planners.

... you need to break your mind free of the Classic groupthink newspeak rhetoric, there are no "planners" just developers providing code that the nodes choose (or not) to run. Attempts at vilification through framing the debate and/or agenda via language (spin) is a sure sign that you are the subject of an attempt to manipulate your opinions and influence your previously independent thought processes.

Repurposing the block size limit into a tool to shape the network, rather than just a defense against spam attacks, can reasonably be characterized as central planning. It's important to be aware of this so we don't unintentionally mess up the economics of Bitcoin. If more of the "free market" devs understood this problem I think the debate would be different.



4353. Post 14093000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):


@Bitusher I'm glad you enjoyed your little experiment. Can we up the block size limit now and keep this kind of crap on the testnet from now on?



4354. Post 14093045 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: stoat on March 04, 2016, 12:08:51 PM
Polite suggestion to diversify into ...

The currency that cannot be named

Don't bother. They're all out trading eth.

All that is left here are the core fanboys who don't understand they've just poisoned the well.



4355. Post 14095088 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 04, 2016, 03:19:26 PM
Polite suggestion to diversify into ...

The currency that cannot be named

Don't bother. They're all out trading eth.

All that is left here are the core fanboys who don't understand they've just poisoned the well.


Meh all that is left here is you ignorant forkers and govy shills spinning their boring life.

Congrats, for making this place a socialist shitshow.

I saw you whining about losing the eth train.

Sfyl



4356. Post 14096439 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 04, 2016, 06:27:12 PM
quadruple bottom right above 415  Shocked

That's a whole lotta ass



4357. Post 14096442 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: abercrombie on March 04, 2016, 05:38:07 PM
is crypto done??  Huh



What do you think?



4358. Post 14097892 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: becoin on March 04, 2016, 08:54:45 PM
No problem. Selling bitcoin and buying gold.

Why? You got your cripplecoin. Now you stick with it!

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 04, 2016, 08:46:12 PM
Oy yoy yoy Cry

What? ETH is doing great. What's the problem? Huh

Looks like it's only us shills left holding the bag.



4359. Post 14098692 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.46h):

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on March 04, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
-snip-

“My basic thesis was this: anyone who was dumb enough to think that they could make money reviewing television shows would pay $49 dollars for a training program,” said Hill. “And anyone who is that lazy will never complete the training program. So they’d just give up and I could sell a $2 dollar training program for $49.”

It worked: he made about $100,000 in three months. (At that point the crowd gave him an ovation... -snip-


http://betakit.com/montreal-angel-austin-hill-failed-spectacularly-before-later-success/

Canadians... and they wonder why the entire world hates them.  Angry

Bomb Canada!




4360. Post 14105242 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 05, 2016, 02:46:33 PM
holy shit wtf is going on?

All that priced in potential ....poof!



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4362. Post 14105862 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: Tzupy on March 05, 2016, 03:53:02 PM
Thank you for this. Looks like newcomers trying to displace first (or second, or third) movers.

Bitcoin isn't really giving it much of a fight.



4363. Post 14107165 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 05, 2016, 05:57:06 PM
i'm fairly certain this drop is pricing in Core/Blockstream 's hard headedness
I don't care what solution they agree on just get something done! hard fork whatever lol
lol true

well HOPEFULLY they can get segwit going in time

but if they either don't get it out in time or it does not effectively increase block size by much, these devs are toast!

Anyone bothered to look into that accidental HF it caused on the testnet?




4364. Post 14107201 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: Chef Ramsay on March 05, 2016, 05:58:58 PM
sabotage



4365. Post 14107563 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 05, 2016, 06:29:58 PM
Here's a fun aside from the fragrant Luke jr -

'Coinbase is under legal pressure to add KYC to Bitcoin itself, and they can only do that by seizing control of the protocol. They know they can't do that by making KYC the first issue, but they think they can use the block size as propaganda to pull it off.'

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/492tnm/if_according_to_core_roadmap_segwit_will_be/d0olhw0

What was it Gavin said about young Skywalker? Poisonous what what?



4366. Post 14107672 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: AlexGR on March 05, 2016, 06:50:19 PM
And some are like "ohh something needs to get done"....

Then roll it out  Wink this crap has been plaguing BTC for a while now.... and nothing seems to stick in the minds of the powers to be  Roll Eyes

One of the criticisms is that SegWit has a lot of new and untested code. So if you rush it out you get "oh no this must not be used, it's unsafe". Plus you are labeled irresponsible.

If you test it out thoroughly (as you should), you are attacked for "dragging the issue unnecessarily, just get on with it and release it".

So whatever they do, they'll get flamed. It doesn't change anything.



No, that's not true.

All those things are good reasons to release a can kick. 8 months ago.



4367. Post 14107809 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 05, 2016, 06:58:19 PM
Here's a fun aside from the fragrant Luke jr -

'Coinbase is under legal pressure to add KYC to Bitcoin itself, and they can only do that by seizing control of the protocol. They know they can't do that by making KYC the first issue, but they think they can use the block size as propaganda to pull it off.'

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/492tnm/if_according_to_core_roadmap_segwit_will_be/d0olhw0

What was it Gavin said about young Skywalker? Poisonous what what?

Who cares what the frauds running the Vatican these days say? Evolutionism is still no more credible than it has ever been.

Guess who. Undecided

"Who cares what the frauds running the Vatican these days say? Evolutionism is still no more credible than it has ever been.

By the way, the Sun really orbits the Earth, not vice-versa.

Oh, and neither topic is really overly relevant to religion, so it's somewhat silly to expect any religious organizations to comment on the whole either way."






You've got to be fucking kidding me!!!

We need unanimous consensus with this fucking idiot!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Geeeez!!! I can't believe I invested money in this shit!!! GOD DAMN!!!!



4368. Post 14107937 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 05, 2016, 07:16:35 PM

We need unanimous consensus with this fucking idiot!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Geeeez!!! I can't believe I invested money in this shit!!! GOD DAMN!!!!

He's never concealed who or what turns him. We've all got our wee idiosyncrasies.

Wee?

One of the two devs at the wheel of this shitshow has renounced science!



4369. Post 14108876 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 05, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
i'm canadian so i couldn't calculate the fee properly.

Let me guess, you're going to blame the metric system?



4370. Post 14116073 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: hdbuck on March 06, 2016, 04:03:47 PM
50 minutes since last block sucks if you are waiting for a transaction  Angry

hodlers still not affected tho


Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on March 06, 2016, 04:05:51 PM
What the fuck has sending a transaction got to do with holding BTC or not?

You misunderstand the situation. He really is that stupid.



4371. Post 14116539 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ZyclonRacerX on March 06, 2016, 04:32:56 PM
50 minutes since last block sucks if you are waiting for a transaction  Angry

hodlers still not affected tho
What the fuck has sending a transaction got to do with holding BTC or not?

Bitcoin is for hodling, not transacting (sodling). Delayed transactions are not a bug, but a feature: helping you hodl.
I'll give you an example, show you what I mean:
Say you decide to reward yourself for years of hodling with a pair of alpaca socks & some honey and/or honey products.
Your smart bitcoin wallet senses this, and automatically (and virtually instantaneously) calculates the tx fee required.
Required to have your bitcoins safely returned to you (or, rather, to it) in 72hrs, that is.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from dark magic."

Bitcoin is so full of nutters I have no idea if you're joking.



4372. Post 14116907 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: rebuilder on March 06, 2016, 05:16:34 PM
Bitcoin is so full of nutters I have no idea if you're joking.

That seems like yet another NLC alt. Hey Lambie, how many accounts have you worked past newbie status now? When do the fireworks start?
It smells like a lambie account, I just haven't seen it before.



4373. Post 14119816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ahpku on March 06, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
50 minutes since last block sucks if you are waiting for a transaction  Angry

hodlers still not affected tho

...

The Awakening Conscience by William Holman Hunt

You put way too much effort into that stuff. It's kinda creepy.



4374. Post 14119879 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ImI on March 07, 2016, 12:19:39 AM
50 minutes since last block sucks if you are waiting for a transaction  Angry

hodlers still not affected tho

...

The Awakening Conscience by William Holman Hunt

You put way too much effort into that stuff. It's kinda creepy.

this gif makes kinda horny....



4375. Post 14124335 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: becoin on March 07, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
On top of that, Segwit is not a scaling solution. Neither is the raise to 2MB blocks. Both do temporarily fix the current full blocks issue though.
There is no full block issue. There is spam issue. As soon as spam attack stops everything is perfectly normal. Increasing blocksize does nothing to solve spam issue. You can not solve spam issue by giving spammers more free space to spam!
It's only as free as the miners allow it to be. As long as people who actually pay a fee get their transfers done in a timely manner, no amount of unpaid spam transactions matters.
So?!... My point is: giving more space to spammers doesn't solve anything and just gives spammers incentives to spam more. What is your point?

Ok, so in between all the CP, drug and tax evasion money there's some spam. So what?



4376. Post 14124614 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ahpku on March 07, 2016, 01:29:36 PM
...
So?!... My point is: giving more space to spammers doesn't solve anything and just gives spammers incentives to spam more. What is your point?

>giving more space to spammers doesn't solve anything
Sure it does. If 20 people legitimately need to get to work by bus, and your bus is a BMW Isetta, people aren't going to get to work. Simple as that.

>gives spammers incentives to spam more
No. That's stupid.
Currently, riding around, maliciously and, otherwise, aimlessly, on the Isatta bus costs $0.03. How would making the bus bigger (20 seats) be an incentive to ride aimlessly? wouldn't the little shit have to spend $0.03 x 19 to accomplish what $0.03 did on the Isetta bus?


                     1MB                                                                     2MB



4377. Post 14129781 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BitconAssociation on March 07, 2016, 11:19:21 PM

I did not read all of your rewriting of my sentences because it seems like a complete waste of time because it really boils down to a childish form of an ad hominem attack.  

Don't you have better things to do with your time?  

O.k.. yep, the job of a troller is to attack and to distract with non-sense, and I suppose in that regard you are attempting to earn your money with such efforts?  

And, since you are getting paid for these kinds of trolling efforts (hopefully you get paid well, maybe ?? I hope.  Is it by the post or by the hour or a salary?  

I imagine you are getting paid by the post (in BTC how ironic), maybe .01 or more BTC per post? or some other rate,... I'm kind of guessing the rate.  The best paying signature campaigns receive around .0015 per posts, yet the best paying ones explicitly require that posters do not spam or troll, and even the best paying signature campaigns are not going to bring anywhere near enough money to live (maybe .2BTC or so per month).  Even if you live in some very cheap place, you need to be able to make 1 BTC per month or so to live, no?  I suppose it could be a supplemental income too, even with all your creative efforts?

Since you are getting paid for your distracting efforts, then I suppose, there is some kind of value.  In this regard, you get paid and your employer gets some of the value of your efforts as part of the troll/shill team.  I hope that you are making at least a couple of BTC per month for your attempts (before you get banned).









So trying to get you to post like a human being is not merely an exerciser in futility, it also makes me a paid shill? Shocked
I suppose i shouldn't mention all








the





fucking

blank lines either. Might turn me into a witch, so I won't.


You are a newbie, and amongst some of the evidence of you being a troll or paid shill: 1) you coming into the conversation as if you know everyone (and I don't give a shit about your supposed cover story that you have been reading the forum for years, blah blah blah), < snip >











I don't know.   You seem to be attempting to attempt to attribute a claim to me that I am not attempting to make, and/or have attempted to make in the past or am in the process of currently making.  Had i have attempted to make such claim, which you are attempting to attribute to me, to wit that we will need greater transaction capacity in the foreseeable future, which as stated previously, I have not attempted to make, nor am likely to make in the foreseeable future, my line of argument would be quite unlike the one to be pursued below, i.e the one i find fitting to pursue in light of your nasty and manipulative misinterpretation of my intended claim, which, as I believe I have conclusively conveyed, was not the claim that i have attempted to make.

Most people, including myself, i.e. I and many, though not all, people who are not myself, or, in layman's terms "the others," of whom there are more than one or several, and, implicitly, significantly more than one, that is up to as many as all, though I'm not attempting to imply that all the people concur with the claim which I have not made, thou such a claim would be justifiable, nay, almost begging, though make such a claim which you are attempting to attribute to me I have not made, seem to believe that you're a blithering buffoon.








Cool

It's really difficult to make it sufficiently incoherent.

Your brain just won't allow it.



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4379. Post 14137705 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BitUsher on March 08, 2016, 04:21:17 PM
the clock is ticking, and Vitalik Buterin is writing 1000's lines a minute trying to takeover

You can't be serious.  Ethereum is the biggest scam seen in cryptocurrency so far:

The Ethereum Paradox

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361602.0

Yes.

A few concerns with this token -

1) Vitalik organization is running out of fiat money as he admitted himself and he will need to start dumping his large bag to pay expenses

He's already sold enough OTC in the current bull run to keep the foundation running for years.

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2) You think Bitcoin has scaling problems , Ethereum's blocksize is already over 10GB and no one is using it. Even if they "sharded up" and pruned the blocksize they are going to have much larger problems because there currency isn't a currency but fuel for cpu cycles, thus a popular DAPP would both drive up the cost of cpu cycles and clog the network

3) 12 sec blocktimes is absurdly small and leads to too many orphans or forks. This is why Monero devs are increasing from 1 minute block times to 2 or more

They know, the difference is that they're not complete wackos, so they're prepared to implement the solutions that are available.

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4) Lack of practical use case of any Dapps , mainly a novelty right now.

They mainly don't exist right now.

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5) Once ethereum switches to PoS, there will be strong incentives to simply fork the coin to either create a sidechain or clone with the same properties but better security because the fuel distribution can be bootstrapped like clams as proposed by æthereum. Losing PoW will remove any advantage ethereum has over other ethereum forks/clones. Why would anyone want to pay for ethereum fuel when they are given free æthereum DAPP fuel and than subsequent fuel purchases are both more secure and less expensive?

The PoS gamble is definitely a big one. But if crypto goes mainstream, the one that doesn't burn the energy of a small country may have the upper hand publicity-wise.



4380. Post 14138665 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):


I didn't think it was possible, but this thread is getting dumber.



4381. Post 14138686 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 08, 2016, 07:48:48 PM

That show is already over. Best wait for ETHdark.


I miss all the dirty coins so I'm launching WankRapeCoprophiliaEther. You heard it here first.

You can probably just launch it on the ethereum network. Less hassle.



4382. Post 14138777 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 08, 2016, 07:55:23 PM

You can probably just launch it on the ethereum network. Less hassle.


No way. All I've ever wanted in life was to create the dirtiest coin possible which also means it needs to be on a dirty network.

Just distribute the node software as malware on porn sites. It will be known as Wankchain.

Edit: When the keys on their laptops are glued into the pressed down position due to too much far flung jizz the nodes can be programmed to detect this and you can confirm txs based on this Proof of Wank method.



4383. Post 14139109 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 08, 2016, 08:12:03 PM

Just distribute the node software as malware on porn sites. It will be known as Wankchain.

Edit: When the keys on their laptops are glued into the pressed down position due to too much far flung jizz the nodes can be programmed to detect this and you can confirm txs based on this Proof of Wank method.

Man, you've actually thought this through. I was just having dirty feelings. My people will be getting in touch with your people.

It's actually quite a bulletproof system. Most people are incapable of performing complex tasks after having busted a nut, so the risk of someone messing with the blocks is pretty much zero.



4384. Post 14139224 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 08, 2016, 08:50:22 PM

Just distribute the node software as malware on porn sites. It will be known as Wankchain.

Edit: When the keys on their laptops are glued into the pressed down position due to too much far flung jizz the nodes can be programmed to detect this and you can confirm txs based on this Proof of Wank method.

Man, you've actually thought this through. I was just having dirty feelings. My people will be getting in touch with your people.

It's actually quite a bulletproof system. Most people are incapable of performing complex tasks after having busted a nut, so the risk of someone messing with the blocks is pretty much zero.

Two years too late: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663325.0

Excuse me, sir! I believe the name of the token was WankRapeCoprophiliaEther.

[throws scarf over shoulder while turning away]



4385. Post 14147064 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ZyclonRacerX on March 09, 2016, 02:59:58 PM
Rothschild Bank now under criminal investigation after Baron David De Rothschild indictment.

It toke a long time but finally someone with balls of steel wants the Rothschilds behind bars. I wonder how far they can go.

Even with a estimate wealth of more than 500 trillion they're still not satisfied and whants more by robbing British pensioners?

http://themindunleashed.org/2016/03/rothschild-bank-now-under-criminal-investigation-after-baron-david-de-rothschild-indictment.html

Most recent article on the linked website:

[img ]http://s7.postimg.org/lg4knevfv/Capture.png[/img] [img width=300 ]http://s23.postimg.org/c6dmspy6j/Capture.png[/img]

What's this obsession the right wing nutters have with the Rothschilds?



4386. Post 14147219 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ZyclonRacerX on March 09, 2016, 03:55:58 PM
...
What's this obsession the right wing nutters have with the Rothschilds?

Oh come on, Rothschild = the original usurious Jew!

[img width=200 ]http://www.armahellas.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/jew-grab-money-kinky-hair-hooknose-grin.gif[/img]

And where has all the money gone? It must have gone somewhere! The answer is obvious, my friends! It is the Jews! Covetous Jews who have taken all our money and hoarded it for themselves! Hidden all the cash in some... secret Jew cave that they built, probably back in the early 60s! It is the Jews, my friends, who are oft...

Ok.

But I thought that was what Bitoiners wanted to do?

How is that different?



4387. Post 14147228 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 09, 2016, 03:58:51 PM

What's this obsession the right wing nutters have with the Rothschilds?

Because jews and lizards and Satan of course. Once you have generational net worth you're invited in to the local country club to feast on young orphans and it's downhill from there. I got out just in time when my grandma blew it all on ostrich farming. 

Probably just bad timing. I hear ostrich farming is da bizniz.



4388. Post 14153183 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):


Any word on that ETF those Twinkletossers were going to set up?



4389. Post 14153890 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 10, 2016, 07:45:13 AM
@Fats How's that sound to you?

If I want to read nazis I stick with Hamsun and Heidegger.



4390. Post 14157065 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ZyclonRacerX on March 10, 2016, 03:50:15 PM
not too late, seats still available on the train.  

don't be this guy!!





Don't run into an oncoming train, even when chased by vicious Grizzly.

It's a Bombardier. They swing both ways. Canadians.



4391. Post 14159990 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 10, 2016, 09:14:43 PM
[Euphemism=OFF] i do believe this is potential for a big green dildo tonight.

Adam, is that possible due to upcoming futures settlements? Just wondering.

Naw. Adam runs on gut instinct, like a hungry race horse.

Look more closely. Adam is going to have him a little Hulk fun.



4392. Post 14164861 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: Morecoin Freeman on March 11, 2016, 06:09:02 AM
This is it.

That's disappointing. No boat for me then.



4393. Post 14164990 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: Tzupy on March 11, 2016, 11:33:08 AM
Russia is getting tougher on cryptos:
http://www.coindesk.com/report-russia-to-propose-7-year-prison-sentences-for-digital-currency-issuers/

I wonder how long it will take before the russians get their act together and boot out the siloviki. It's painful to watch when otherwise clever people support this kind of evil.



4394. Post 14165739 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: watashi-kokoto on March 11, 2016, 01:48:40 PM
The actual problem is that there are people out there who think they know better what the cap is supposed to be than Satoshi's 1MB.

stupid

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Another advantage of the 1MB cap is that once these idiots realize they can't really change it,

stupid

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they will fork off from Bitcoin to their favourite shitcoin,

stupid

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taking their shitty poet shills and useless economic activity with them.

stupid


But thanks anyway.



4395. Post 14167355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: julian071 on March 11, 2016, 04:41:56 PM
Pft deterring fees will occur automatically as the block reward disappears. At a price of 500$/BTC it would work out like this:

1 block (25 bitcoins) created every 10 minutes -> for each minute, 2.5 bitcoins are created X $500/bitcoin = $1250/minute.
So every minute $1250 in fees needs to come from transactions (instead of the block rewards today)
Using 10 transactions/sec as maximum speed (with current block size), 600 transactions each minute.
$1250/600 transactions = $2,08 per transaction.

Even higher BTC price -> even higher fees.

Edit: and if you use 5 tx/s instead of the theoretical 10 tx/s the amount doubles.

Yup. What's wrong with $4 a transaction? Totally fine. $40 a tx is fine too ....

Nothing wrong with deterring people if you want to be part of an elite club. The Club of Original Crypto ConaisseursTM or COCCTM for short.

I like COCC. It rolls so smoothly off the toungue.

Ok, I'm in!



4396. Post 14167925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 11, 2016, 04:58:45 PM
Pft deterring fees will occur automatically as the block reward disappears. At a price of 500$/BTC it would work out like this:

1 block (25 bitcoins) created every 10 minutes -> for each minute, 2.5 bitcoins are created X $500/bitcoin = $1250/minute.
So every minute $1250 in fees needs to come from transactions (instead of the block rewards today)
Using 10 transactions/sec as maximum speed (with current block size), 600 transactions each minute.
$1250/600 transactions = $2,08 per transaction.

Even higher BTC price -> even higher fees.

Edit: and if you use 5 tx/s instead of the theoretical 10 tx/s the amount doubles.

Yup. What's wrong with $4 a transaction? Totally fine. $40 a tx is fine too ....

Nothing wrong with deterring people if you want to be part of an elite club. The Club of Original Crypto ConaisseursTM or COCCTM for short.

I like COCC. It rolls so smoothly off the toungue.

Ok, I'm in!

Leaves a funny taste in your mouth tho. Embarrassed

If you start eating some pineapple and lay off the tacos I think it should be ok.

I'm of course assuming you're a fellow member.


Quote from: 8up on March 11, 2016, 05:03:11 PM
I like COCC. It rolls so smoothly off the toungue.

Ok, I'm in!

Do you really think the $$$ would be worth anything if just the elite was using it. I guess we will figure out pretty soon, that the dollar is worth not-a-thing... Because what we see these days is money concentrated in the hands of very few. Money that doesn't buy you anything, isn't worth anything.

Hey, I'm just here for the abbreviation. Don't get all political on me. Or at least tell me when, so I can close my eyes.



4397. Post 14168005 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: Tzupy on March 11, 2016, 05:45:11 PM
Pft deterring fees will occur automatically as the block reward disappears. At a price of 500$/BTC it would work out like this:

1 block (25 bitcoins) created every 10 minutes -> for each minute, 2.5 bitcoins are created X $500/bitcoin = $1250/minute.
So every minute $1250 in fees needs to come from transactions (instead of the block rewards today)
Using 10 transactions/sec as maximum speed (with current block size), 600 transactions each minute.
$1250/600 transactions = $2,08 per transaction.

Even higher BTC price -> even higher fees.

Edit: and if you use 5 tx/s instead of the theoretical 10 tx/s the amount doubles.

Yup. What's wrong with $4 a transaction? Totally fine. $40 a tx is fine too ....
the problem is see with that is that it isn't very competitive...

poeple will start using centralized BTC  payment processors 
poeple will start using altcoins

and the idea that we can't do better then 5tx/s is insulting

make segwit
make block interval 2.5mins
make block size 8MB

there i've solved bitcoin scaling!  Cheesy


Sure... and in the process make the blockchain grow by 1TB / year instead of ~30GB / year... good thinking... Roll Eyes

Yes it is. With more users and more money flowing into the field 1TB (Except it won't be. Upping the limit does not mean that every block will be 8MB. That's sort of the point with a higher limit.) a year isn't a problem. 30GB a year on a stagnating dud is a problem.

If people want to play right wing hippie with their mobile broadband in a cottage in the woods, I'm sure Luke-Jr can whip up some suitable shitcoin.



4398. Post 14168678 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: inca on March 11, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
They preach about decentralisation, whilst openly trying to convert bitcoin from p2p cash to a settlement layer. Why would people continue to run nodes for an ultra expensive high value settlement network which processes very few transactions? There is no incentive to do so.

Hear, hear



4399. Post 14169273 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 11, 2016, 08:25:21 PM
JayJuanGee you're a small blocker?  Shocked

That alone should settle the matter.



4400. Post 14169329 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: AlexGR on March 11, 2016, 08:27:27 PM
Again, this is from ...Ethereum, not BTC. So if Ethereum seriously considers centralization as a problem, and most if not all altcoins do too, then how is this relevant only for "btc smallblockers"?

To quote Egon Olsen : "There's a difference between shaving and cutting your head off."



4401. Post 14169398 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 11, 2016, 08:41:08 PM
We're at 15GB. I think I heard the Ethereum blockchain is at 10GB already. And nobody actually uses it for anything yet. I say good luck to 'em.

Looks like it's been a while since you ran a full node.



4402. Post 14169510 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: coins101 on March 11, 2016, 08:56:22 PM

Bitcoin mining, March 2016

"[–]macbook-air Bitcoin Miner - F2Pool 100 points 10 days ago

In HK, Alex asked me to “respect” his time by agree the consensus asap. Also someone else told me he had bought long position just before the roundtable, if we did not agree, he would lose huge financially. If it was not these two, I would probably have escaped away that night."


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/48dzom/antpool_limiting_the_block_size_is_much_more/d0j7sqx



4403. Post 14169592 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: European Central Bank on March 11, 2016, 09:09:20 PM

In HK, Alex asked me to “respect” his time by agree the consensus asap. Also someone else told me he had bought long position just before the roundtable, if we did not agree, he would lose huge financially. If it was not these two, I would probably have escaped away that night."[/i]


What type of pussy makes super important decisions because of some other asshole's plans? These guys need more spine.

That's Bitcoins decentralization you're talking about. Have some respect!



4404. Post 14169628 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: European Central Bank on March 11, 2016, 09:16:32 PM

That's Bitcoins decentralization you're talking about. Have some respect!

Pah. If the pool guys were real men like charles bronson or hulk hogan we'd be in way better shape. Looks like you could scare the lunch money out of most of the present guys with a couple of harsh words.

Looks like someone already did.



4405. Post 14170065 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: AliceGored on March 11, 2016, 09:48:23 PM
You, otoh, insist that miners need the steady hand of blockstream to determine where that supply curve abruptly stops. The core dev's are the power rangers protecting the system from outright collapse under the load of massive free spam being shoved into blocks. Of course that part isn't centralization tho.

If you've seen pictures of Gmaxwell and Luke-Jr you've seen they look super decentralized.




4406. Post 14170149 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 11, 2016, 10:22:20 PM

I will take it on faith that those graphs are factually accurate.


That goes for the graphs of blockchain.info as well. Luckily, all data is public, so everyone can check it if he wants.


A large majority of people already accept that Blockchain.info produces factually accurate information, so it seems to make little to no sense to me that you would be attempting to suggest that blockchain.info may either not be credible or that it is somehow similar in stature to some other random source.  

I never said that blockchain.info isn't credible. In fact, that list of blocks and their sizes of my first reply came straight from blockchain.info . I objected to your reference to a graph of average block sizes, because taking the average of block sizes is not a good way to try to show that there's enough space left. On the other hand, it is you who put blockchain.info on a pedestal. I don't see why the graph of Coindesk, or a site like tradeblock.com would be considered a less good source.

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they still don't demonstrate some kind of emergency state, and even though a bit more granular than blockchain.info, they are not really showing anything that should cause panic. 

Suppose a bus company starts running a service in 2010. At first, you'd only see one or two people in the bus. As the bus service becomes more known, more people travel on the bus. Nowadays, busses are often completely occupied. It's common that people are left at the bus stops having to wait for the next one, esp. if they bought the cheapest tickets.

You can see that this happens more and more often. However, anyone who bought the most expensive ticket always manages to get on the next bus. Nevertheless, it happens more and more often that more and more people with the cheap tickets have to skip buses.

Yet, you say there's no reason for panic. You don't expect that the demand for the bus service will keep growing.


Your analogy of a bus seems somewhat forced, and the subsequent post of AlexGR seems to adequately, reasonably and effectively respond to various deficiencies of your bus analogy.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904


I think it's a good analogy, which makes the issue easier to understand. If there are flaws in the analogy, I'm happy to discuss them. The criticism of AlexGR that people on a bus are real, and Bitcoin transactions in a block (according to him) are not, is just childish.

His other remark that it's cheap to buy all the space in a block (because blocks are quite small and transactions cheap), doesn't discredit the analogy. If someone wants to take out the high speed train from Amsterdam to Paris, he can buy all the train tickets. It's doable, and effectively a DOS attack preventing any other people from using the train. If anything, it shows my analogy is a correct one.



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and maybe even if there are ways to show charts that separate spam and legit transactions 

I can imagine that a flood of tx without fee can be considered spam. But nowadays, only mining pools use zero fee tx to payout their miners. There are hardly any zero fee tx issued otherwise. (800 in the past 24 hours, source: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ ) But if a tx carries a fee, how to decide if it's spam or not? What is your definition of spam?

I have no fucking clue about various technicalities.... I am of the understanding that there are a lot of transactions that are being sent to the blockchain to make it seem to be more full than it is in order to attempt to whine about some kind of blockchain crisis.  AlexGR addressed some of this in his post, too when he discusses how inexpensive it is to fill up the blocks with nonsense.  


If you don't understand the various technicalities, then our discussion stops right there. I do acknowledge that some people like to issue txs for no other reason then to show what happens when blocks are full for a significant period of time. Those periods are easily to recognise as they last a couple of days. However, don't forget these attacks are so easy, because there's only so little free space left an attacker needs to buy up.

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I get the sense that seg wit filters out spam too, so maybe we are going to witness some better representations of what's going on once seg wit is live?.

How does SW filters spam? How does it decide which tx is spam and which is not?



I don't really know on a technical level, and so I rely on some of the descriptions regarding what it is supposed to do. My understanding is that it separates transaction involving fees from other non-fee information.  Accordingly, we are likely going to see how it plays out, but it seems to incorporate a lot of good solutions that may address some of the spamming matters.

If you don't know if SW is going to mark certain tx as spam, then don't claim it. "Lets see how it plays out" doesn't give me much confidence. That both applies to implementing SW as a complicated soft fork, as to changing the working of the blockchain from plenty of room in blocks to scarcity of space in blocks.

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Anyhow, there is work on seg wit at the moment and a plan to begin with that (coming soon) and then to give further consideration to whether an additional physical block size limitation needs to be incorporated as well.. so I really am still having difficulties grappling with some of the panick.   

How many people need to wait for how many next buses until you panic? Or don't you care about others, as long as you can afford your bus ticket?

Why does it matter what I think?  

Because I'm having a discussion with you. If I wouldn't be interested in what you think, I wouldn't take you serious.

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and I never said that the blocksize never needs to be increased, as you seem to be attempting to attribute to me.

Unless I understood you wrong, you seem to think that blocks are not almost permanently full, or not getting there so soon in order to plan for an increase of the block size limit. I beg to differ, and I'm trying to show you (1) blocks are quite full already, and (2) as the number of tx roughly doubles every year, it is clear that the growth of Bitcoin usage will have to come to a halt very soon. Of course, once LN is up and running, things may be different. But I'm far, far from convinced this will be the case in 6 to 12 months from now.

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In other words: how many tx do you think Bitcoin should be able to process today, in 3 months, in 6 months, and in one year's time?

getting repetitive.  I think that there are expansion plans in place... good enough for me for the moment....

You don't answer my question. It may be (still) good enough at the moment, but next year? For sure, it can't be more than 400,000 tx. Something got to give.

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Fact: the number if tx per day is close to the limit of 250,000. We recently touched that twice. (sources: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= , http://www.coindesk.com/data/bitcoin-daily-transactions/ )

We crossed the 20,000 tx/day in June 2012
We crossed the 50,000 tx/day in August 2013
We crossed the 100,000 tx/day in March 2015
We crossed the 200,000 tx/day in January 2016

And the hard limit is a little over 250,000...

So, do you think 250,000 tx/day is sufficient for Bitcoin to be successful? Do you think 400,000 tx/day is sufficient by the end of this year, when SW is rolled out and most other software is updated to take advantage of it? Do you think 400,000 tx/day will be enough until LN comes into existence?

Again, it doesn't really matter that much what I think.  

Then we can stop this discussion.

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But it seems that AlexGR addressed this matter too.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904

In essence, there may be some peaks of 250k transactions per day, but likely not even really close to that in regards to legitimate transactions  and there remain adequate expansion plans already in the works and likely many more to come.. so why fret about something that is still in the works and not at an emergency state yet?


Transactions that are paid for are legitimate. If you want to use the intent of the person doing the tx as criterion for legitimacy, then you throw out the censorship resistance quality that Bitcoin is famous for.




Overall, we are repeating ourselves, and I am genuinely not interested in debating the matter of blocksize limits. 

I already stated my position much more than I feel is necessary in relation to bitcoin prices  and wall speculation.. blah blah blah.  In essence, I said that I am not convinced that there is a problem as you keep arguing that there is some kind of problem.  In that regard, what's the point of going over and over and over the same points, and mostly speculation that there may be a problem later?

I am involved in this thread in order to discuss price matters, and wall matters, and predictions, and to look at stupid animated gifs and that kind of stuff.

I think that there are sufficient plans in place in order to address blocksize limits in the near future that are likely going to be worked out and are evolving.. including seg wit and that is good enough for me in order to continue to invest in bitcoin and consider bitcoin with a rosey and bright future.. inspite of ongoing forking whiners.









Let's look at that again.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 11, 2016, 10:22:20 PM

I will take it on faith that those graphs are factually accurate.


That goes for the graphs of blockchain.info as well. Luckily, all data is public, so everyone can check it if he wants.


A large majority of people already accept that Blockchain.info produces factually accurate information, so it seems to make little to no sense to me that you would be attempting to suggest that blockchain.info may either not be credible or that it is somehow similar in stature to some other random source. 

I never said that blockchain.info isn't credible. In fact, that list of blocks and their sizes of my first reply came straight from blockchain.info . I objected to your reference to a graph of average block sizes, because taking the average of block sizes is not a good way to try to show that there's enough space left. On the other hand, it is you who put blockchain.info on a pedestal. I don't see why the graph of Coindesk, or a site like tradeblock.com would be considered a less good source.

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they still don't demonstrate some kind of emergency state, and even though a bit more granular than blockchain.info, they are not really showing anything that should cause panic. 

Suppose a bus company starts running a service in 2010. At first, you'd only see one or two people in the bus. As the bus service becomes more known, more people travel on the bus. Nowadays, busses are often completely occupied. It's common that people are left at the bus stops having to wait for the next one, esp. if they bought the cheapest tickets.

You can see that this happens more and more often. However, anyone who bought the most expensive ticket always manages to get on the next bus. Nevertheless, it happens more and more often that more and more people with the cheap tickets have to skip buses.

Yet, you say there's no reason for panic. You don't expect that the demand for the bus service will keep growing.


Your analogy of a bus seems somewhat forced, and the subsequent post of AlexGR seems to adequately, reasonably and effectively respond to various deficiencies of your bus analogy.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904


I think it's a good analogy, which makes the issue easier to understand. If there are flaws in the analogy, I'm happy to discuss them. The criticism of AlexGR that people on a bus are real, and Bitcoin transactions in a block (according to him) are not, is just childish.

His other remark that it's cheap to buy all the space in a block (because blocks are quite small and transactions cheap), doesn't discredit the analogy. If someone wants to take out the high speed train from Amsterdam to Paris, he can buy all the train tickets. It's doable, and effectively a DOS attack preventing any other people from using the train. If anything, it shows my analogy is a correct one.



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and maybe even if there are ways to show charts that separate spam and legit transactions 

I can imagine that a flood of tx without fee can be considered spam. But nowadays, only mining pools use zero fee tx to payout their miners. There are hardly any zero fee tx issued otherwise. (800 in the past 24 hours, source: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ ) But if a tx carries a fee, how to decide if it's spam or not? What is your definition of spam?

I have no fucking clue about various technicalities.... I am of the understanding that there are a lot of transactions that are being sent to the blockchain to make it seem to be more full than it is in order to attempt to whine about some kind of blockchain crisis.  AlexGR addressed some of this in his post, too when he discusses how inexpensive it is to fill up the blocks with nonsense. 


If you don't understand the various technicalities, then our discussion stops right there. I do acknowledge that some people like to issue txs for no other reason then to show what happens when blocks are full for a significant period of time. Those periods are easily to recognise as they last a couple of days. However, don't forget these attacks are so easy, because there's only so little free space left an attacker needs to buy up.

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I get the sense that seg wit filters out spam too, so maybe we are going to witness some better representations of what's going on once seg wit is live?.

How does SW filters spam? How does it decide which tx is spam and which is not?



I don't really know on a technical level, and so I rely on some of the descriptions regarding what it is supposed to do. My understanding is that it separates transaction involving fees from other non-fee information.  Accordingly, we are likely going to see how it plays out, but it seems to incorporate a lot of good solutions that may address some of the spamming matters.

If you don't know if SW is going to mark certain tx as spam, then don't claim it. "Lets see how it plays out" doesn't give me much confidence. That both applies to implementing SW as a complicated soft fork, as to changing the working of the blockchain from plenty of room in blocks to scarcity of space in blocks.

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Anyhow, there is work on seg wit at the moment and a plan to begin with that (coming soon) and then to give further consideration to whether an additional physical block size limitation needs to be incorporated as well.. so I really am still having difficulties grappling with some of the panick.   

How many people need to wait for how many next buses until you panic? Or don't you care about others, as long as you can afford your bus ticket?

Why does it matter what I think? 

Because I'm having a discussion with you. If I wouldn't be interested in what you think, I wouldn't take you serious.

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and I never said that the blocksize never needs to be increased, as you seem to be attempting to attribute to me.

Unless I understood you wrong, you seem to think that blocks are not almost permanently full, or not getting there so soon in order to plan for an increase of the block size limit. I beg to differ, and I'm trying to show you (1) blocks are quite full already, and (2) as the number of tx roughly doubles every year, it is clear that the growth of Bitcoin usage will have to come to a halt very soon. Of course, once LN is up and running, things may be different. But I'm far, far from convinced this will be the case in 6 to 12 months from now.

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In other words: how many tx do you think Bitcoin should be able to process today, in 3 months, in 6 months, and in one year's time?

getting repetitive.  I think that there are expansion plans in place... good enough for me for the moment....

You don't answer my question. It may be (still) good enough at the moment, but next year? For sure, it can't be more than 400,000 tx. Something got to give.

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Fact: the number if tx per day is close to the limit of 250,000. We recently touched that twice. (sources: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= , http://www.coindesk.com/data/bitcoin-daily-transactions/ )

We crossed the 20,000 tx/day in June 2012
We crossed the 50,000 tx/day in August 2013
We crossed the 100,000 tx/day in March 2015
We crossed the 200,000 tx/day in January 2016

And the hard limit is a little over 250,000...

So, do you think 250,000 tx/day is sufficient for Bitcoin to be successful? Do you think 400,000 tx/day is sufficient by the end of this year, when SW is rolled out and most other software is updated to take advantage of it? Do you think 400,000 tx/day will be enough until LN comes into existence?

Again, it doesn't really matter that much what I think. 

Then we can stop this discussion.

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But it seems that AlexGR addressed this matter too.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904

In essence, there may be some peaks of 250k transactions per day, but likely not even really close to that in regards to legitimate transactions  and there remain adequate expansion plans already in the works and likely many more to come.. so why fret about something that is still in the works and not at an emergency state yet?


Transactions that are paid for are legitimate. If you want to use the intent of the person doing the tx as criterion for legitimacy, then you throw out the censorship resistance quality that Bitcoin is famous for.




Overall, we are repeating ourselves, and I am genuinely not interested in debating the matter of blocksize limits. 

I already stated my position much more than I feel is necessary in relation to bitcoin prices  and wall speculation.. blah blah blah.  In essence, I said that I am not convinced that there is a problem as you keep arguing that there is some kind of problem.  In that regard, what's the point of going over and over and over the same points, and mostly speculation that there may be a problem later?

I am involved in this thread in order to discuss price matters, and wall matters, and predictions, and to look at stupid animated gifs and that kind of stuff.

I think that there are sufficient plans in place in order to address blocksize limits in the near future that are likely going to be worked out and are evolving.. including seg wit and that is good enough for me in order to continue to invest in bitcoin and consider bitcoin with a rosey and bright future.. inspite of ongoing forking whiners.









There's reallly something here...

Again please.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 11, 2016, 10:22:20 PM

I will take it on faith that those graphs are factually accurate.


That goes for the graphs of blockchain.info as well. Luckily, all data is public, so everyone can check it if he wants.


A large majority of people already accept that Blockchain.info produces factually accurate information, so it seems to make little to no sense to me that you would be attempting to suggest that blockchain.info may either not be credible or that it is somehow similar in stature to some other random source. 

I never said that blockchain.info isn't credible. In fact, that list of blocks and their sizes of my first reply came straight from blockchain.info . I objected to your reference to a graph of average block sizes, because taking the average of block sizes is not a good way to try to show that there's enough space left. On the other hand, it is you who put blockchain.info on a pedestal. I don't see why the graph of Coindesk, or a site like tradeblock.com would be considered a less good source.

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they still don't demonstrate some kind of emergency state, and even though a bit more granular than blockchain.info, they are not really showing anything that should cause panic. 

Suppose a bus company starts running a service in 2010. At first, you'd only see one or two people in the bus. As the bus service becomes more known, more people travel on the bus. Nowadays, busses are often completely occupied. It's common that people are left at the bus stops having to wait for the next one, esp. if they bought the cheapest tickets.

You can see that this happens more and more often. However, anyone who bought the most expensive ticket always manages to get on the next bus. Nevertheless, it happens more and more often that more and more people with the cheap tickets have to skip buses.

Yet, you say there's no reason for panic. You don't expect that the demand for the bus service will keep growing.


Your analogy of a bus seems somewhat forced, and the subsequent post of AlexGR seems to adequately, reasonably and effectively respond to various deficiencies of your bus analogy.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904


I think it's a good analogy, which makes the issue easier to understand. If there are flaws in the analogy, I'm happy to discuss them. The criticism of AlexGR that people on a bus are real, and Bitcoin transactions in a block (according to him) are not, is just childish.

His other remark that it's cheap to buy all the space in a block (because blocks are quite small and transactions cheap), doesn't discredit the analogy. If someone wants to take out the high speed train from Amsterdam to Paris, he can buy all the train tickets. It's doable, and effectively a DOS attack preventing any other people from using the train. If anything, it shows my analogy is a correct one.



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and maybe even if there are ways to show charts that separate spam and legit transactions 

I can imagine that a flood of tx without fee can be considered spam. But nowadays, only mining pools use zero fee tx to payout their miners. There are hardly any zero fee tx issued otherwise. (800 in the past 24 hours, source: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ ) But if a tx carries a fee, how to decide if it's spam or not? What is your definition of spam?

I have no fucking clue about various technicalities.... I am of the understanding that there are a lot of transactions that are being sent to the blockchain to make it seem to be more full than it is in order to attempt to whine about some kind of blockchain crisis.  AlexGR addressed some of this in his post, too when he discusses how inexpensive it is to fill up the blocks with nonsense. 


If you don't understand the various technicalities, then our discussion stops right there. I do acknowledge that some people like to issue txs for no other reason then to show what happens when blocks are full for a significant period of time. Those periods are easily to recognise as they last a couple of days. However, don't forget these attacks are so easy, because there's only so little free space left an attacker needs to buy up.

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I get the sense that seg wit filters out spam too, so maybe we are going to witness some better representations of what's going on once seg wit is live?.

How does SW filters spam? How does it decide which tx is spam and which is not?



I don't really know on a technical level, and so I rely on some of the descriptions regarding what it is supposed to do. My understanding is that it separates transaction involving fees from other non-fee information.  Accordingly, we are likely going to see how it plays out, but it seems to incorporate a lot of good solutions that may address some of the spamming matters.

If you don't know if SW is going to mark certain tx as spam, then don't claim it. "Lets see how it plays out" doesn't give me much confidence. That both applies to implementing SW as a complicated soft fork, as to changing the working of the blockchain from plenty of room in blocks to scarcity of space in blocks.

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Quote
Anyhow, there is work on seg wit at the moment and a plan to begin with that (coming soon) and then to give further consideration to whether an additional physical block size limitation needs to be incorporated as well.. so I really am still having difficulties grappling with some of the panick.   

How many people need to wait for how many next buses until you panic? Or don't you care about others, as long as you can afford your bus ticket?

Why does it matter what I think? 

Because I'm having a discussion with you. If I wouldn't be interested in what you think, I wouldn't take you serious.

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and I never said that the blocksize never needs to be increased, as you seem to be attempting to attribute to me.

Unless I understood you wrong, you seem to think that blocks are not almost permanently full, or not getting there so soon in order to plan for an increase of the block size limit. I beg to differ, and I'm trying to show you (1) blocks are quite full already, and (2) as the number of tx roughly doubles every year, it is clear that the growth of Bitcoin usage will have to come to a halt very soon. Of course, once LN is up and running, things may be different. But I'm far, far from convinced this will be the case in 6 to 12 months from now.

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In other words: how many tx do you think Bitcoin should be able to process today, in 3 months, in 6 months, and in one year's time?

getting repetitive.  I think that there are expansion plans in place... good enough for me for the moment....

You don't answer my question. It may be (still) good enough at the moment, but next year? For sure, it can't be more than 400,000 tx. Something got to give.

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Fact: the number if tx per day is close to the limit of 250,000. We recently touched that twice. (sources: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= , http://www.coindesk.com/data/bitcoin-daily-transactions/ )

We crossed the 20,000 tx/day in June 2012
We crossed the 50,000 tx/day in August 2013
We crossed the 100,000 tx/day in March 2015
We crossed the 200,000 tx/day in January 2016

And the hard limit is a little over 250,000...

So, do you think 250,000 tx/day is sufficient for Bitcoin to be successful? Do you think 400,000 tx/day is sufficient by the end of this year, when SW is rolled out and most other software is updated to take advantage of it? Do you think 400,000 tx/day will be enough until LN comes into existence?

Again, it doesn't really matter that much what I think. 

Then we can stop this discussion.

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But it seems that AlexGR addressed this matter too.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904

In essence, there may be some peaks of 250k transactions per day, but likely not even really close to that in regards to legitimate transactions  and there remain adequate expansion plans already in the works and likely many more to come.. so why fret about something that is still in the works and not at an emergency state yet?


Transactions that are paid for are legitimate. If you want to use the intent of the person doing the tx as criterion for legitimacy, then you throw out the censorship resistance quality that Bitcoin is famous for.




Overall, we are repeating ourselves, and I am genuinely not interested in debating the matter of blocksize limits. 

I already stated my position much more than I feel is necessary in relation to bitcoin prices  and wall speculation.. blah blah blah.  In essence, I said that I am not convinced that there is a problem as you keep arguing that there is some kind of problem.  In that regard, what's the point of going over and over and over the same points, and mostly speculation that there may be a problem later?

I am involved in this thread in order to discuss price matters, and wall matters, and predictions, and to look at stupid animated gifs and that kind of stuff.

I think that there are sufficient plans in place in order to address blocksize limits in the near future that are likely going to be worked out and are evolving.. including seg wit and that is good enough for me in order to continue to invest in bitcoin and consider bitcoin with a rosey and bright future.. inspite of ongoing forking whiners.









There's some mind-blowing stuff here that bears repeating.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 11, 2016, 10:22:20 PM

I will take it on faith that those graphs are factually accurate.


That goes for the graphs of blockchain.info as well. Luckily, all data is public, so everyone can check it if he wants.


A large majority of people already accept that Blockchain.info produces factually accurate information, so it seems to make little to no sense to me that you would be attempting to suggest that blockchain.info may either not be credible or that it is somehow similar in stature to some other random source. 

I never said that blockchain.info isn't credible. In fact, that list of blocks and their sizes of my first reply came straight from blockchain.info . I objected to your reference to a graph of average block sizes, because taking the average of block sizes is not a good way to try to show that there's enough space left. On the other hand, it is you who put blockchain.info on a pedestal. I don't see why the graph of Coindesk, or a site like tradeblock.com would be considered a less good source.

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they still don't demonstrate some kind of emergency state, and even though a bit more granular than blockchain.info, they are not really showing anything that should cause panic. 

Suppose a bus company starts running a service in 2010. At first, you'd only see one or two people in the bus. As the bus service becomes more known, more people travel on the bus. Nowadays, busses are often completely occupied. It's common that people are left at the bus stops having to wait for the next one, esp. if they bought the cheapest tickets.

You can see that this happens more and more often. However, anyone who bought the most expensive ticket always manages to get on the next bus. Nevertheless, it happens more and more often that more and more people with the cheap tickets have to skip buses.

Yet, you say there's no reason for panic. You don't expect that the demand for the bus service will keep growing.


Your analogy of a bus seems somewhat forced, and the subsequent post of AlexGR seems to adequately, reasonably and effectively respond to various deficiencies of your bus analogy.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904


I think it's a good analogy, which makes the issue easier to understand. If there are flaws in the analogy, I'm happy to discuss them. The criticism of AlexGR that people on a bus are real, and Bitcoin transactions in a block (according to him) are not, is just childish.

His other remark that it's cheap to buy all the space in a block (because blocks are quite small and transactions cheap), doesn't discredit the analogy. If someone wants to take out the high speed train from Amsterdam to Paris, he can buy all the train tickets. It's doable, and effectively a DOS attack preventing any other people from using the train. If anything, it shows my analogy is a correct one.



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and maybe even if there are ways to show charts that separate spam and legit transactions 

I can imagine that a flood of tx without fee can be considered spam. But nowadays, only mining pools use zero fee tx to payout their miners. There are hardly any zero fee tx issued otherwise. (800 in the past 24 hours, source: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ ) But if a tx carries a fee, how to decide if it's spam or not? What is your definition of spam?

I have no fucking clue about various technicalities.... I am of the understanding that there are a lot of transactions that are being sent to the blockchain to make it seem to be more full than it is in order to attempt to whine about some kind of blockchain crisis.  AlexGR addressed some of this in his post, too when he discusses how inexpensive it is to fill up the blocks with nonsense. 


If you don't understand the various technicalities, then our discussion stops right there. I do acknowledge that some people like to issue txs for no other reason then to show what happens when blocks are full for a significant period of time. Those periods are easily to recognise as they last a couple of days. However, don't forget these attacks are so easy, because there's only so little free space left an attacker needs to buy up.

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I get the sense that seg wit filters out spam too, so maybe we are going to witness some better representations of what's going on once seg wit is live?.

How does SW filters spam? How does it decide which tx is spam and which is not?



I don't really know on a technical level, and so I rely on some of the descriptions regarding what it is supposed to do. My understanding is that it separates transaction involving fees from other non-fee information.  Accordingly, we are likely going to see how it plays out, but it seems to incorporate a lot of good solutions that may address some of the spamming matters.

If you don't know if SW is going to mark certain tx as spam, then don't claim it. "Lets see how it plays out" doesn't give me much confidence. That both applies to implementing SW as a complicated soft fork, as to changing the working of the blockchain from plenty of room in blocks to scarcity of space in blocks.

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Anyhow, there is work on seg wit at the moment and a plan to begin with that (coming soon) and then to give further consideration to whether an additional physical block size limitation needs to be incorporated as well.. so I really am still having difficulties grappling with some of the panick.   

How many people need to wait for how many next buses until you panic? Or don't you care about others, as long as you can afford your bus ticket?

Why does it matter what I think? 

Because I'm having a discussion with you. If I wouldn't be interested in what you think, I wouldn't take you serious.

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and I never said that the blocksize never needs to be increased, as you seem to be attempting to attribute to me.

Unless I understood you wrong, you seem to think that blocks are not almost permanently full, or not getting there so soon in order to plan for an increase of the block size limit. I beg to differ, and I'm trying to show you (1) blocks are quite full already, and (2) as the number of tx roughly doubles every year, it is clear that the growth of Bitcoin usage will have to come to a halt very soon. Of course, once LN is up and running, things may be different. But I'm far, far from convinced this will be the case in 6 to 12 months from now.

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In other words: how many tx do you think Bitcoin should be able to process today, in 3 months, in 6 months, and in one year's time?

getting repetitive.  I think that there are expansion plans in place... good enough for me for the moment....

You don't answer my question. It may be (still) good enough at the moment, but next year? For sure, it can't be more than 400,000 tx. Something got to give.

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Fact: the number if tx per day is close to the limit of 250,000. We recently touched that twice. (sources: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= , http://www.coindesk.com/data/bitcoin-daily-transactions/ )

We crossed the 20,000 tx/day in June 2012
We crossed the 50,000 tx/day in August 2013
We crossed the 100,000 tx/day in March 2015
We crossed the 200,000 tx/day in January 2016

And the hard limit is a little over 250,000...

So, do you think 250,000 tx/day is sufficient for Bitcoin to be successful? Do you think 400,000 tx/day is sufficient by the end of this year, when SW is rolled out and most other software is updated to take advantage of it? Do you think 400,000 tx/day will be enough until LN comes into existence?

Again, it doesn't really matter that much what I think. 

Then we can stop this discussion.

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But it seems that AlexGR addressed this matter too.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg14164904#msg14164904

In essence, there may be some peaks of 250k transactions per day, but likely not even really close to that in regards to legitimate transactions  and there remain adequate expansion plans already in the works and likely many more to come.. so why fret about something that is still in the works and not at an emergency state yet?


Transactions that are paid for are legitimate. If you want to use the intent of the person doing the tx as criterion for legitimacy, then you throw out the censorship resistance quality that Bitcoin is famous for.




Overall, we are repeating ourselves, and I am genuinely not interested in debating the matter of blocksize limits. 

I already stated my position much more than I feel is necessary in relation to bitcoin prices  and wall speculation.. blah blah blah.  In essence, I said that I am not convinced that there is a problem as you keep arguing that there is some kind of problem.  In that regard, what's the point of going over and over and over the same points, and mostly speculation that there may be a problem later?

I am involved in this thread in order to discuss price matters, and wall matters, and predictions, and to look at stupid animated gifs and that kind of stuff.

I think that there are sufficient plans in place in order to address blocksize limits in the near future that are likely going to be worked out and are evolving.. including seg wit and that is good enough for me in order to continue to invest in bitcoin and consider bitcoin with a rosey and bright future.. inspite of ongoing forking whiners.








Crap!

Lost it.



4407. Post 14170166 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: AliceGored on March 11, 2016, 10:26:33 PM
If you've seen pictures of Gmaxwell and Luke-Jr you've seen they look super decentralized.

http://i.imgur.com/F2O5vRg.png

Luke Jr couldn't be located, possibly busy putting heretics to the sword of righteousness.

Or he's just too decentralized



4408. Post 14172992 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 12, 2016, 04:10:51 AM
i got my finger on the tiger 100BTC about the get DUMPED into ETH

someone stop me~!

Check liquidity first. Drunk whales tend to make a splash.



4409. Post 14173089 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: explorer on March 12, 2016, 08:37:37 AM
i got my finger on the tiger 100BTC about the get DUMPED into ETH

someone stop me~!

Check liquidity first. Drunk whales tend to make a splash.

All these animals!  Putting your finger on the tiger can also be dangerous when you are drunk.
Next: Pin the tail on the donkey!

?

So Adam is Eeyore?



4410. Post 14173639 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: molecular on March 12, 2016, 09:41:54 AM
AlexGR, do you allow for the possibility that maybe small blocks isn't a good idea?

Timing is crucial.

Even 1TB per year blocks (20mb/block) will have its time when 20mb/block will be "alright".

Upgrade too soon, you'll have 10gb txs and 990gb spam.

Upgrade on time, you'll get 800-950gb txs and 50-200gb spam.

I don't understand why it's spam when it pays a fee. Miners are free to exclude tx if the fee is too small.


I sort of like his moral approach to txs. Maybe we could introduce KYC on protocol level and purge the system for drug and CP payments as well. The latter seems even worse than spam txs.



4411. Post 14173947 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: 8up on March 12, 2016, 10:37:16 AM

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/microsoft-store-doesnt-accept-bitcoin





Edit: If this is due to the recent network disruptions Bitcoin is in a world of pain.



4412. Post 14174093 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: 8up on March 12, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
For now, I am BTC long and ETH short.

The bodies of eth-tarmis are heaping up at the crypto altar.

Be safe




4413. Post 14174179 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 12, 2016, 11:15:45 AM
I'm engaging in a description of what seems to be an idiotic position that you have taken in arguing for a hard fork   , and you said that's what you want.  not me.


                                               Ta-da!


Always a pleasure



4414. Post 14175014 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: AlexGR on March 12, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
There is no moral approach.

Of course there is. You hate spam, which is understandable. But if we're going to ban everything we hate then let's accept that it isn't normatively neutral to do so. The system should be able to handle some spam, we just need to make sure it doesn't bring it to its knees. At the same time we must make sure that measures to counter spam doesn't get in the way of other users. An open distributed decentralized ledger without spam or other unsavory things is a dead ledger.

Quote from: AlexGR on March 12, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
My reasoning goes like this: What would Satoshi do if he had to deal with the situation like this?

a) Give spammers as much space as they want - ever increasing capacity to meed their ever-increasing demands for cheap space to bloat, at near-zero costs for them, and significant costs for the network, increased centralization and problems to btc's adoption

b) Do something about it (blocksize limits / fees directly / fees as a consequence of a fee market, etc)


If we put aside the fact that that's an idiotic approach to an issue, it's worth noting that we don't have to imagine what Satoshi would have done.

He set the block size limit to orders of magnitude larger than the then average block size.



4415. Post 14179863 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 12, 2016, 09:56:59 PM
I guess there's someting to be said for having stayed off that list. Wink

It has been "berry berry good *to* *me*".

My bitterness is reward enough. Undecided

If you just listened to me and ate some pineapple we wouldn't be having this problem.



4416. Post 14180499 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ImI on March 13, 2016, 12:56:39 AM

crazy, but nice to see that BTC is able to hold its ground

+1

It's pretty much rock solid in spite of some fairly large splashes from eth.



4417. Post 14180537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ImI on March 13, 2016, 01:14:14 AM

crazy, but nice to see that BTC is able to hold its ground

+1

It's pretty much rock solid in spite of some fairly large splashes from eth.

seems to be fresh fiat thats driving ETH, otherwise it could have been really ugly.

All the trades are BTC/ETH, so it seems that fiat will have to touch BTC at some point.



4418. Post 14180572 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: gentlemand on March 13, 2016, 01:21:37 AM
Bitfinex is adding usd/eth soon. That's going to be very interesting to witness what happens.

There are rumours they will not offer shorting in the beginning. They probably need some activity and eth on the exchange before that's possible.

With rumour I mean trollbox rumour.



4419. Post 14180639 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):

Quote from: ImI on March 13, 2016, 01:35:36 AM
Bitfinex is adding usd/eth soon. That's going to be very interesting to witness what happens.

There are rumours they will not offer shorting in the beginning. They probably need some activity and eth on the exchange before that's possible.

With rumour I mean trollbox rumour.

no rumour, they said so in their announcement. they estimate one week to get shorting going.

Lol this dump will have a countdown.

the funny thing is, you can already short if you want at POLO, but nobody is using it. ETH lending rates are still very low.

All the people who used it went broke.

Come to think of it, I'm kind of worried about 8up.



4420. Post 14180654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.47h):


echh....g'nite y'all!!!



4421. Post 14185515 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):


Anyone knows wazzup with BTC-E?



4422. Post 14185641 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):


Aaaaaand people are having withdrawal issues on Poloniex.

Gox 7: The Ethering



4423. Post 14185921 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: noobtrader on March 13, 2016, 03:32:59 PM

Aaaaaand people are having withdrawal issues on Poloniex.

Gox 7: The Ethering

Link or get the FUD out

there was lag in the exchange, thats all...

I saw some people complaining about maxed out withdrawal limits without having made any withdrawals.

@Dotto polo trollbox, nothing firm. I guess a lot of people are pulling out of polo to jump on the finex train.



4424. Post 14188573 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 13, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
[something, something]

Tell me, psychopathic oracle, why are anarchists so often lapdogs of authority figures rather than the independent thinkers they proclaim to be?



4425. Post 14188589 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Norway on March 13, 2016, 09:15:45 PM
No mention that Adam got the boot from Theymos here? Weired.

Well, life goes on. At www.bitco.in

Now both moderators of the epic threads "Gold collapsing, Bitcoin up" and "Wall Observer" (Cypherdoc & Adamstgbit) are at bitco.in

(PS. The new moderator here will probably delete this post as soon as it is detected.)



dafuq?

Edit: The Purge continues.



4426. Post 14295751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

whore



4427. Post 14299786 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):


Hey, this might work. Looks like the other thread turned into JJG observer.



4428. Post 14362664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):


So... how's that scaling-solution-that-is-not-supposed-to-be-a-scaling-solution-so-do-not-criticize-it-for-being-a-bad-scaling-solution going?



4429. Post 14363538 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 30, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
^^Speak of the Devil, and He'll appear Shocked
You know who hasn't been around?


...

That's a nice picture.

SAVED

Regarding milk crates. We don't have milk in bottles, so I had to buy a flimsy plastic crate and reinforce it with a chopped up curtain rod.



4430. Post 14364312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Elwar on March 30, 2016, 02:10:50 PM
BTC moving down, ETH moving up  Undecided

It's almost starting to look like ETH might take over.

I better go buy an ETH debit card then to spend all of these ETHs.

Or go visit an ETH accepting restaurant.

I can use them to buy things at Amazon for a discount right?

A convoluted way to use a debit card and Amazon coupons. I hope BTC has more going for it than that.



4431. Post 14364672 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: TooDumbForBitcoin on March 30, 2016, 02:30:40 PM
[thanks and apologies to Fatman]

No worries man, we've got elopak.



4432. Post 14365060 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 30, 2016, 03:26:20 PM
Lol, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4ckqxt/a_bribe_attack_is_ongoing/
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But wait... what if an attacker rents hardware instead of buying it? It's much simpler than buying hardware: no complex logistics, little overhead, no concerns about how an attack would affect hardware price. Attacker would need to pay slightly above the market price to make sure he gets more than a half of total hashpower to make sure that it's statistically certain his attack can succeed.

The most secure blockchain in the world Roll Eyes

Sort of like saying Buckingham Palace isn't safe because an attacker could just rent it and kill The Queen.



4433. Post 14365268 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 30, 2016, 03:34:56 PM
Lol, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4ckqxt/a_bribe_attack_is_ongoing/
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But wait... what if an attacker rents hardware instead of buying it? It's much simpler than buying hardware: no complex logistics, little overhead, no concerns about how an attack would affect hardware price. Attacker would need to pay slightly above the market price to make sure he gets more than a half of total hashpower to make sure that it's statistically certain his attack can succeed.

The most secure blockchain in the world Roll Eyes

Sort of like saying Buckingham Palace isn't safe because an attacker could just rent it and kill The Queen.

If the Buckingham Palace is for rent, to anyone, all the time,  murder is perfectly legal & has no consequences, & "The Queen is dead" = "UK is dead," then absolutely.

P.S. Seriously tho, if UK lived or died by The_Queen, do you really believe the Brits would be stupid enough to rent out her lair? That sounds exactly like the sort of  shortsighted junkie mentality Bitcoin is riddled with.

"Sort of like" implies less than perfect parity.

My point was more in line with your last bit. Miners won't rent out a significant portion of their gear like that.



4434. Post 14365574 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on March 30, 2016, 03:56:33 PM
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"Sort of like" implies less than perfect parity.

My point was more in line with your last bit. Miners won't rent out a significant portion of their gear like that.

See my post above, and explain why not. To simplify:
If you're going to net 1 BTC from your miner in its lifetime, and I offer you 2 BTC, why would you not accept it?*
*Taking into account that you are able to sell your BTC for USD, making BTC's value after the sale irrelevant.


P.S., just to be clear: This would fall on its face if the miners *couldn't sell BTC.* If BTC was the only store of value in the world,the miners would be only hurting themselves by undermining (lol) BTC value. Sadly, it ain't the case -- there's USD, turnips, gold, etc., etc. Sad

If you don't understand what you yourself wrote then I fear I can't help you much. I guess I could point out that we've already experienced this and it resolved itself. Fast growing pools often have larger payouts (sometimes more than 10%). That's why Ghash.io managed to capture more than 51% of the network for a brief moment in 2014. But greed realigned with self-interest and threw stupidity out.

Basically, the guy you're linking to just wants to brand classic supporters as the spawn of satan and pure evil. Which may or may not be true (they are bitcoiners), but it seems to muddle up his thinker a bit.

Quote from: aztecminer on March 30, 2016, 04:04:41 PM

So... how's that scaling-solution-that-is-not-supposed-to-be-a-scaling-solution-so-do-not-criticize-it-for-being-a-bad-scaling-solution going?




which scaling solution again ?? XT, classic, therealthing, Pure, original Huh

I think it's called "Snitch On The Run" or "Crypto Apartheid" or something.



4435. Post 14368155 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Elwar on March 30, 2016, 07:32:42 PM
BTC moving down, ETH moving up  Undecided

It's almost starting to look like ETH might take over.

I better go buy an ETH debit card then to spend all of these ETHs.

Or go visit an ETH accepting restaurant.

I can use them to buy things at Amazon for a discount right?

A convoluted way to use a debit card and Amazon coupons. I hope BTC has more going for it than that.

Being able to drop your bank and use an international currency that has a finite amount...I'd say that's quite a bit.

Can I do that with ethereums?

I wasn't really thinking in terms of eth vs btc. I was thinking about btc as a useful currency. It seems like btc has become less useful lately. The merchant adoption boom of 2014 seems to have stopped and even regressed.

I recently discovered overclockers.co.uk has stopped accepting btc. That's the most relevant real-life use case for me personally, gone.

I guess I can go to some shady site and buy a gift card with btc, but if my money is legal I don't really see the point of this instead of just using paypal.



4436. Post 14379458 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on March 31, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
in a attempt to incentivise further decentralization of "the web of ideas" chart buddy moved to https://bitco.in/forum/threads/wall-observer.27/page-64#post-16751

join us, your voice is more clearly heard in this smaller room.

Isn't that forum run by a scammer?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1105722.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106381.0

I'm all for the idea of promoting multiple forums , but why one run by someone who has stolen so much.
You may disagree with Theymos moderation and even call some of it censorship but that is far less of a "crime" than what cypherdoc has committed.

Why would you want to be associated with someone like him?

that scammer don't run the forum...

there are way more scammers on bitcointalk.org then on the other fourm, do you feel your associated with the sammers on bitcointalk?

Where's the new forum software? I heard it would have a sentient search bar.



4437. Post 14379885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Tzupy on March 31, 2016, 07:47:01 PM


Even though you seem thrilled to find and post bearish uᴉoɔʇᴉq news, those articles could also be read as bullish... - especially the second one because in the end, there seems to be quite a bit of decentralized decision-making and investment going into uᴉoɔʇᴉq, that signifies that individuals (and small companies, and maybe even governments) will be continuing to invest in uᴉoɔʇᴉq's computing power and into securing the blockchain (as well as attempting to control some of the mining process).

Good ole competition may well cause a computing power arms race in respects to uᴉoɔʇᴉq.  Even if it seems to be wasteful, it surely shows anticipated ongoing interest.

Plenty of permabulls here, happy to post bullish news, I'm just playing for the other team. Cheesy
About market direction, IMO if during the next 2 days there won't be a pump that turns 6h MACD to positive, then we'll crash.
If there will be a pump, we'll still crash after that, but from a higher price point... Grin

Good articles. I think the PoS∕PoW discussion is next on the list when the scaling issue has been resolved. Hopefully Ethereum will have shown that PoS can work by then.

Quote from: blunderer on March 31, 2016, 07:54:59 PM
...
so cypher-d. IS a confirmend scammer? (serious question)

Yes and no. He made serious scratch by pimping HashFast, but he also was upfront about being on HF payroll.
People got pissed once they figured out just how much he made.
Just can't stand to see the other fellow win.

It's the only time I've ever seen iCEBREAKER defend cypherdoc. I don't know if it helps (iCE and morals... meh), but it's interesting.

Also kind of interesting to see all the anarcaps and libertarians trying to rip cypher a new one for not redistributing money that is lawfully his.

Double standards are twice as good as the regular kind.



4438. Post 14380113 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: tomothy on March 31, 2016, 08:21:30 PM
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/03/31/2158024/craig-wrights-upcoming-big-reveal/

Izabella Kaminska. Isn't that the woman everyone thinks is lambie?



4439. Post 14380259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Denker on March 31, 2016, 08:29:37 PM

 Cheesy Cheesy
Wouldn't surprise me.
She is absolutely a Bitcoin skeptic.Maybe hates it with a passion.


Would have been cool if that Wright dude turned out to be Satoshi and started laying down the law.

"Ok, clearly we don't need a block size limit any more. This should be obvious to any idiot. Oh, and PoW? Hmmmm... I've been working on a solution in my lair."



4440. Post 14392312 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: ImI on April 01, 2016, 09:33:33 PM
read the fucking article



click on the fucking link



4441. Post 14395651 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 02, 2016, 01:15:16 AM
President Putin’s counselor and advisor on the internet, German Klimenko, or a Canadian uᴉoɔʇᴉq monomaniac calling himself adamstgBit...
Who to believe?

I'll take the Canadian over the Russian any day.

The smartest Russian, Vitalik Buterin grew up and was educated in Canada. Coincidence?

Mind you, he was smart enough to take his (and other people's) money to Switzerland.

Klimenko? He's just toadying up to KGB boy.

o rly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

Beyond that, yes Klimenko is a siloviki toad. Whenever they speak down stuff it means it's powerful stuff.



4442. Post 14401908 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 02, 2016, 07:23:49 AM
The smartest Russian, Vitalik Buterin grew up and was educated in Canada. Coincidence?

o rly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

Fair enough. Perelman is no slouch.

For a country with the population of Russia though, they don't do so well.

Meanwhile, half of the original Silicon Valley was educated at The University of Western Ontario or the University of Waterloo. The rest came mostly from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Michigan at Dearborn. That's not counting Stanford of course. The were the destination.

Many of our best minds were scooped up by the Americans (and their money) in the 1960s. At the time we called it the brain drain.

Canada doesn't have a monopoly on smart people but on a basis of population we're still well ahead of the Russians



It sort of helps to speak english in Silicon Valley.

Let's look at some other measures:

This is what Russia sent up into space 30 years ago:



This is their contribution to the ISS:



And Canada?



"fap fap fap fap fap"


Ok, change of focus:

Russia: Mussorgsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Stravinsky, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff.

Canada: Avril Lavigne, Bryan Adams...... eh...ehh...

Russia: Bolshoi Ballet, Mariinsky Ballet.

Canada: Cirque du Soleil.

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 02, 2016, 08:55:31 AM
As for "easy pickings" remember who won the War of 1812 (hint: it wasn't the USA).

Great Britain




4443. Post 14402900 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Oblodo on April 02, 2016, 08:42:31 PM
Hi hi, you primitive nationalist you. I forget sometimes that some groups of eukaryotes are so stupid that they believe in lines on maps.. We live on the same fucking planet, and have evolved from the same cells. Talking about who's "best" is stupid.

I'm pretty sure I live in the same country you're living in. I'm just trying to piss off a drunk canadian. You should try it. It's fun!



4444. Post 14403381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: r0ach on April 02, 2016, 09:03:32 PM
Hi hi, you primitive nationalist you. I forget sometimes that some groups of eukaryotes are so stupid that they believe in lines on maps.. We live on the same fucking planet, and have evolved from the same cells. Talking about who's "best" is stupid.

In the same amount of time it took to change wolves to dogs, some groups of humans have been isolated from each other that long.  There are obvious differences in groups and it would be illogical if there wasn't.

Dogs are exceptionally diverse. Partly because they've been bred by humans, partly because of their unique genetic characteristics. Cats have pretty much looked the same for 40 million years. But even there we find more diversity than between humans. Although they look similar, a normal house cat is 4kg, a siberian tiger is 423kg. The global average of 72.7kg for humans is a figure everyone on the planet can relate to, regardless of geographic location or ethnicity. The reason for this is in large part due to the amount of energy the human brain consumes.

This big brain has made it possible for us humans to adapt our environment to us rather than we adapting to our environment. So humans are pretty much the same as they were when part of the human species moved out of Africa. One of the things we struggled to adapt to us was the sun. Dark skin requires a lot of sunlight to produce vitamin D. Humans in colder environments would have an evolutionary bias towards lighter skin. At the same time the large asian deserts made it difficult for people with large round eyes, so an evolutionary bias towards more narrow eye shapes developed in parts of Asia.

So yes, there are differences. But none that are significant in relation to your social darwinistic delusion.



4445. Post 14403573 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: nioc on April 02, 2016, 10:16:18 PM
All good but it's vitamin D not vitamin E,  I know you know that and it's only a typo.

Thx, fixed it.



4446. Post 14403636 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: nioc on April 02, 2016, 10:23:04 PM
Mammal's unite!!


THIS IS BITCOIN!!!



4447. Post 14406345 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 03, 2016, 03:08:47 AM
Hi hi, you primitive nationalist you. I forget sometimes that some groups of eukaryotes are so stupid that they believe in lines on maps.. We live on the same fucking planet, and have evolved from the same cells. Talking about who's "best" is stupid.

In the same amount of time it took to change wolves to dogs, some groups of humans have been isolated from each other that long.  There are obvious differences in groups and it would be illogical if there wasn't.

Dogs are exceptionally diverse. Partly because they've been bred by humans, partly because of their unique genetic characteristics. Cats have pretty much looked the same for 40 million years. But even there we find more diversity than between humans. Although they look similar, a normal house cat is 4kg, a siberian tiger is 423kg. The global average of 72.7kg for humans is a figure everyone on the planet can relate to, regardless of geographic location or ethnicity. The reason for this is in large part due to the amount of energy the human brain consumes.

This big brain has made it possible for us humans to adapt our environment to us rather than we adapting to our environment. So humans are pretty much the same as they were when part of the human species moved out of Africa. One of the things we struggled to adapt to us was the sun. Dark skin requires a lot of sunlight to produce vitamin D. Humans in colder environments would have an evolutionary bias towards lighter skin. At the same time the large asian deserts made it difficult for people with large round eyes, so an evolutionary bias towards more narrow eye shapes developed in parts of Asia.

So yes, there are differences. But none that are significant in relation to your social darwinistic delusion.

I don't get it. You just provided more evidence for your opponent's position. It doesn't matter if there are more differences with dogs than humans. What matters is that there are differences, and these differences aren't just in appearances, but also in behavioral traits and intelligence, because differing traits are advantageous in differing environments.  

What is more interesting to me is that humans everywhere have evolved instincts and behaviors that were useful in their original environments but very maladaptive now in modern times. The most obvious being that we stay hungry far after we have consumed sufficient calories. Some of these maladptive behaviors are sex-specific, such as men's preferences for women with visual fertility cues or women's preference for high status men to the exclusion of far more logically relevant qualities.

We have changed our environment in many ways, some of which are better and some of which are incompatible with our natural behaviors.  Cubical farms and assembly lines are miserable places to work. Mating practices and rituals are elaborate, inefficient, and often produce worse results than random pairings or arranged marriages.  What remains to be seen is whether we can continue to improve our environment or whether we will develop traits more compatible to it.  

You've misunderstood

Quote from: chesthing on April 03, 2016, 01:16:46 AM
Robert Metcalfe's net worth is 250 million. What's yours?

You've misunderstood



4448. Post 14408260 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 03, 2016, 08:55:59 AM
Hi hi, you primitive nationalist you. I forget sometimes that some groups of eukaryotes are so stupid that they believe in lines on maps.. We live on the same fucking planet, and have evolved from the same cells. Talking about who's "best" is stupid.

In the same amount of time it took to change wolves to dogs, some groups of humans have been isolated from each other that long.  There are obvious differences in groups and it would be illogical if there wasn't.

Dogs are exceptionally diverse. Partly because they've been bred by humans, partly because of their unique genetic characteristics. Cats have pretty much looked the same for 40 million years. But even there we find more diversity than between humans. Although they look similar, a normal house cat is 4kg, a siberian tiger is 423kg. The global average of 72.7kg for humans is a figure everyone on the planet can relate to, regardless of geographic location or ethnicity. The reason for this is in large part due to the amount of energy the human brain consumes.

This big brain has made it possible for us humans to adapt our environment to us rather than we adapting to our environment. So humans are pretty much the same as they were when part of the human species moved out of Africa. One of the things we struggled to adapt to us was the sun. Dark skin requires a lot of sunlight to produce vitamin D. Humans in colder environments would have an evolutionary bias towards lighter skin. At the same time the large asian deserts made it difficult for people with large round eyes, so an evolutionary bias towards more narrow eye shapes developed in parts of Asia.

So yes, there are differences. But none that are significant in relation to your social darwinistic delusion.

I don't get it. You just provided more evidence for your opponent's position. It doesn't matter if there are more differences with dogs than humans. What matters is that there are differences, and these differences aren't just in appearances, but also in behavioral traits and intelligence, because differing traits are advantageous in differing environments.  

What is more interesting to me is that humans everywhere have evolved instincts and behaviors that were useful in their original environments but very maladaptive now in modern times. The most obvious being that we stay hungry far after we have consumed sufficient calories. Some of these maladptive behaviors are sex-specific, such as men's preferences for women with visual fertility cues or women's preference for high status men to the exclusion of far more logically relevant qualities.

We have changed our environment in many ways, some of which are better and some of which are incompatible with our natural behaviors.  Cubical farms and assembly lines are miserable places to work. Mating practices and rituals are elaborate, inefficient, and often produce worse results than random pairings or arranged marriages.  What remains to be seen is whether we can continue to improve our environment or whether we will develop traits more compatible to it.  

You've misunderstood

Robert Metcalfe's net worth is 250 million. What's yours?

You've misunderstood

No, I think I understand very well. You are saying that natural selection is cruel enough without us making it more so. I agree with that, but I also know that there are limits to how much we can ameliorate evolutionary pressures without introducing even worse cruelties. We don't have the luxury of merely virtue signalling how much we care about the unlucky and the ungifted.  Responsible advocacy has to consider costs, benefits, and unintended consequences.

No. Evolution has stopped in humans. It basically stopped with regards to potential intelligence before we left Africa. So the point I am making is that there is no genetic reason for discriminating on the basis of ethnicity or "race". We all know this. There is no reason to feel sorry for Kofi Annan or Ban Ki-Moon (or Freddy Mercury for that matter). They haven't been dealt inferior genes. It's not a thing. They're far "better" humans in their field than anyone on this forum.



4449. Post 14408434 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Versatile13 on April 03, 2016, 11:16:30 AM
before we left Africa.

Get your facts straight. The out of Africa paradigm is just an hypothesis.
One of the most influential man behind this theory was professor Yves Coppens. He himself recognized that a multi-regional theory might be much appropriated in regards of the recent discoveries.

The Out of Africa theory have been falling apart of all sides for at least 15 years but is still systematically pushed forward for political and ideological reasons.

Nope, it has largely been confirmed through the study of genetic material.



4450. Post 14408505 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on April 03, 2016, 11:26:12 AM
...
No. Evolution has stopped in humans.

Onoes, disheartening! Are we sure it was ever a thing?

MINDFUCK ALERT: Lambie The Creationist



4451. Post 14408654 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on April 03, 2016, 11:31:44 AM
...
No. Evolution has stopped in humans.

Onoes, disheartening! Are we sure it was ever a thing?

MINDFUCK ALERT: Lambe The Creationist

Just wondering what it was that "has stopped in humans." And why.
BTW, the Pope is illegitimate.
 ~Luke-jr

P.S. Appears this thread's getting purged Sad

Genetic material doesn't decide if you get to live and breed.

Natural selection is not a thing in modern human society.



4452. Post 14409221 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on April 03, 2016, 12:00:12 PM
I guess my point is "potential intelligence" is like Libertarian's "value" (as in "Bitcoin is a store of value") -- only meaningful until you try to define it.

By "potential intelligence" I simply mean the range of intelligence available within the group. It doesn't seem to differ between human racial groups, but it differs a lot when you compare a human to an orangutan. All humans (except maybe small-blockers) will register in a completely different range than the orangutan.



4453. Post 14410169 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: bargainbin on April 03, 2016, 01:44:17 PM
I guess my point is "potential intelligence" is like Libertarian's "value" (as in "Bitcoin is a store of value") -- only meaningful until you try to define it.

By "potential intelligence" I simply mean the range of intelligence available within the group. It doesn't seem to differ between human racial groups, but it differs a lot when you compare a human to an orangutan. All humans (except maybe small-blockers) will register in a completely different range than the orangutan.

"Potential intelligence" = "range of intelligence available within the group" is a poor definition of "potential intelligence," for several reasons.
1. The word "potential" implies ...well, potential, as in "possibility of becoming something." Your definition appears to evaluate the actual intelligence within the group.
2. "Intelligence" is left undefined. Before we can go on to evaluate X ("range of [X] available within the group", or even "potential [X]"), we must know what it is that we are evaluating. ( Roll Eyes arguments of why IQ tests are ethnocentric/anthrocentric go here)

But let's get ahead of ourselves and, without defining what "potential intelligence" is, figure out how "all groups have identical potential intelligence" proposition could be proven/disproved. Since can't a priori, have to resort to messy empiricism & do this:

[im g]http://s8.postimg.org/56jn3rxd1/Capture.png[/img]

I doubt we did, because just no.
I guess my point is "races are equal" is just the B-side of eugenics.

I know, both 1 and 2 are complex. That's why I tried to dumb it down.

And I'm sorry for calling you a creationist. It was just a joke. I didn't mean to upset you.



4454. Post 14411719 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: r0ach on April 03, 2016, 03:55:50 PM
No. Evolution has stopped in humans. It basically stopped with regards to potential intelligence before we left Africa.

Oh, wonderful Marxists, if only the Aboriginal people didn't exist to hilariously invalidate every word out of your mouth.  The average IQ tested is in the 60's and no matter how much money is thrown at them, makes nearly no difference.  A large portion of the group went extinct due to being the only modern day humans that couldn't invent fire.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8688531/Billions-spent-on-Australias-Aborigines-yield-dismal-results.html

Even looking at the skull difference between an Aboriginal and European, you need to be both stupid and a liar to claim there's "no genetic differences".  The skull on the left is AFTER 1800's, it's not from millions of years ago.  There's a clear divergence of species going on here:




I didn't say there's "no genetic differences".

Quote from: bargainbin on April 03, 2016, 04:19:59 PM
^^So which shitty race r u? (You'll never be as smart as a Jew Cool)



I think he might be "special". One of those kids who dropped out of the Derek Zoolander Institute.



4455. Post 14413912 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on April 03, 2016, 08:38:54 PM
hey trollz, free lunch!






BAM! BAM! BAAAAAAAA!!!



4456. Post 14414228 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 03, 2016, 09:07:20 PM


No. Evolution has stopped in humans. It basically stopped with regards to potential intelligence before we left Africa. So the point I am making is that there is no genetic reason for discriminating on the basis of ethnicity or "race". We all know this. There is no reason to feel sorry for Kofi Annan or Ban Ki-Moon (or Freddy Mercury for that matter). They haven't been dealt inferior genes. It's not a thing. They're far "better" humans in their field than anyone on this forum.

LOL!  Have hereditary traits stopped producing varying survival and reproduction advantages?  Of course not.  Five minutes in any single's bar will tell you that.

Obviously you are correct that there's no such thing as "inferior" genes in any absolute sense, but there never was. There are only genes better or more poorly suited for their environment.  But as you just noted yourself, those environments differ and because of that, there are obviously selection pressures that continue to produce dominant genotypes  that vary by environment. That is natural selection, and it's very mush alive and well. More alive than ever, I'd say.

You've misunderstood



4457. Post 14417583 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkuCtIko798




4458. Post 14419208 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: Spaceman_Spiff on April 04, 2016, 10:06:33 AM
So evolution is ongoing but 'gross' evolution isn't?   What does that even mean?  Sounds nonsensical to me.

Not my favorite terminology but it was close enough to my point. Basically, the "evolution" going on now is diversification of genes and strengthening of the immune system.



4459. Post 14424236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 04, 2016, 06:51:07 PM
[blablablablablabla]
Some of the data on that site make little sense to me, however.  I don't really understand how they are calculating average blocksize as compared with median blocksize, and why there would be a difference between those two concepts (except through their definition of such).
[blablablablablabla]

https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/mean-median-average/



4460. Post 14430690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: edgar on April 05, 2016, 04:43:20 AM
too

much

positivity...

quick!! someone chew up the thread with negativity, filth & nonsense!!



4461. Post 14443381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):


New candidate for the Bitcoin Anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urglg3WimHA



4462. Post 14460969 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):


"batshit crazy" doesn't do this thread justice



4463. Post 14466371 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on April 08, 2016, 10:06:00 AM

"batshit crazy" doesn't do this thread justice

Possibly. But it fits like a glove here



I see. So this is the kind of Bitcoin rally we're expecting. How comforting.



4464. Post 14466629 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: blunderer on April 08, 2016, 12:08:39 PM
...
Bull cow?  WTF is that, some sort of bovine hermaphrodite?

Let me get this straight, you bulls think you're a breed onto yourselves, don't know you are bull cows?
Just what did you think you were, tigers? The depth of ignorance in this thread...
So how do you bulls try to reproduce? Never mind, don't tell me Roll Eyes

The fail is real.



Bull = male cattle
Cow = female cattle



4465. Post 14480876 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: BitUsher on April 09, 2016, 02:58:27 PM
The HK CRTA said specifically that we were supposed to get SegWit this month. Where the hell is it? What will happen to the price if it is delayed?

Blocks are full. We need relief now! The TA is suggesting that we could have a huge rally if the network was able to handle the extra traffic.

Now we see your true motivation ... Short term profits instead of concerns for the security or testing within segwit.

"Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion"

...I know, it's a conspiracy.

Quote
To answer your question -
Large blocks are already being created in segnet -
https://segnet.smartbit.com.au/block/0000008dfef05aa2924f65f3423de9875005a9107ff1c963c6c35f929b32ff0e

Segwit will likely be deployed later this month or early may. You have to understand that Core developers care more about testing and security than your short term price rallies.

That might explain the last couple of months, what about the three years before that?

Quote
Also to set your expectations , segwit will be activated with versionbits with a 95% threshold , so don't expect activation before june at the earliest(More likely early july) . This may also be delayed further because many BU and classic supporters are suggesting blocking segwit (against their principles of immediate scaling now) in retribution with 5-6% Classic hashing power.

Well, Bitcoin is not just your technological plaything. People have real money in this thing, and if you fuck with peoples money they might want to fuck with you back.

Quote
Deal with it or contribute to development instead of whining incessantly.

EZ, BIP101

That's the solution. Deal with it and stop whining.

Quote
P.S... We currently don't have Garzik's fee market event where we have 2 weeks of full blocks. I see plenty of partially filled blocks this past week so your anxiety over having to pay 2-5 more pennies per tx is unwarranted.


Good for Garzik, I guess. Gavin's scenario, however, is unfolding right before our eyes.



4466. Post 14499229 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.48h):

Quote from: dumbfbrankings on April 11, 2016, 12:12:04 AM
We have been overt about wanting a Core Dev planned fee market at less than 10 tps since the very beginning in 2009 Billy Jo.

Do you want the 5 mining pools to become more centralised?? 'Cause that's what you get with on chain growth.
Pls be patient while the monolithic payment hubs can be rolled out.

Mewn sewn boyz.

420 Blaze it.  Cool

Please eli5 the bold bit.



4467. Post 14510370 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

@ibian @solitude

wrong forum, here you go: https://www.stormfront.org/



4468. Post 14510594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Ibian on April 12, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
There is no such thing as a wrong forum for important world events that affect us all. Fuck off traitor.

Come on, go over there. It will make it so much easier when the rest of us will have to herd you up for a culling.



We'll never forget.



4469. Post 14510664 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Ibian on April 12, 2016, 11:02:49 AM
Let's play a game. Hitler vs Stalin, who was worse?

You. Now, fuck off!!!



4470. Post 14513432 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Darkbot on April 12, 2016, 02:33:03 PM
I hope Trump wins.

I was at der Führer's rally tonight! absolutely nuts! 20,000+ people going apeshit for the god-emperor !!  He turned away 5,000+ poeple because there simply wasn't enough room in the venue!!

Fuckin' see my post here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1428863.msg14507623#msg14507623

George Bush already fucked your asses. Now you're getting fucked again.

I can't lie though, I'm gonna enjoy watching this shitstorm unfold. He probably won't win though Undecided

You guys should check out solitude's post, he even took pitchas!


The problem with that pitch is that Sanders is literally Stalin. So who do we want?

Whelp, Stalin doesn't start world wars & lose them, there's that...
No, he just killed 50 million of his own people.

*killed 50 million *communists*. Like a boss.
You're not a commie, are you, Ibian? Because you sound like a commie.
Pay attention. He killed his own people. So that's your choice. Would you rather die, or have immigrants die?

No, you pay attention, you lily-livered liber. Stalin was Georgian, he didn't kill his own people. He killed weak-kneed socialist traitors, like yourself.
It was in his rational self-interest to kill 50 million parasites, he was a huge success & made Soviet Union a world superpower.
You drug-addled speedfreak Hitler left not only his country in ruins & made it the butt of every joke, he also ruined other people's countries, like the giant Assburger that he was.
All he was ever good at was *LOSING* Sad

You wanna be a loser like your loser Hitler, Ibian? Is that what you want? Why is that?

Lambie is not only a major noob but also a 15 year old kid who's crying for here lollypop. This noob doesn't have a social real-life either, who wants to talk with this kind of idiot with a very low-intelligence anyway.

... you



4471. Post 14521799 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Room101 on April 13, 2016, 05:46:04 AM
I sent a friend 2BTC last night from my core wallet, and used 0.001 fee ( so around 50 cents), stupid transaction took 8 hours ( not to be confirmed, just to appear at all). Funny thing is, he sent me money via internet banking at the same time, and it arrived inside 2 hours!

Something is not working the way it is supposed to!

Sounds more like a wallet problem



4472. Post 14545975 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: sinner on April 14, 2016, 11:32:39 PM
is it possible that the halvening got priced in during the runup from $200ish to $500ish last year? then again i remember a similar runup in price in like august 2012, months before the first halvening.. if thats any indication, price might just do nothing.. for now.

i feel like we're gonna get to the end of the triangle and not break up or down, just continue flatlining until some scaling news comes out.. thoughts?

It literally cost miners nothing to sit on coins in 2012. Miners nowadays have bills to pay, and soon they'll have less coins to sell.



4473. Post 14547973 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Tzupy on April 15, 2016, 11:26:13 AM
Daily PSAR flipped to bullish on Chinese exchanges, damn bulls... Angry
bye ... don't let the door hit your butt on the way out?

haha, permabull humor... or was it not?
Just FYI I had a small long and added to it on the PSAR flip. Will take profits around 440$ if this looks weak (and will crash),
or wait with profit taking until 470$, where this should correct anyway. But I would have loved a nice crash to 300$ instead. Cheesy

Mark has lost most of his humor. Let's hope a little rally will cheer him up again.

RELEASE THE FAPPENING!!!



4474. Post 14548589 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


Ok, forgot I'm in 1984



4475. Post 14554207 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: billyjoeallen on April 15, 2016, 09:44:08 PM
according to blockchain.info, almost all recent blocks are full except for those mined by antpool, which are completely empty. mempool filling back up.  

Most antpool blocks are full, and BTCC mine empty blocks as well. At least Bitmain sell their gear to the public.



4476. Post 14572725 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on April 17, 2016, 03:30:29 PM
2.7 MB blocks on the segwit testnet!

https://segnet.smartbit.com.au/blocks?sort=size

PLEASE DECREASE THE BLOCK LIMIT TO 0.5 MB TO AVOID A FEE DROP!!

DEGREASING INITIATED




4477. Post 14573152 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: undroolier on April 17, 2016, 04:49:41 PM
^*head
* http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k520/s13drifter88/SR20Block.jpg

Fudgepop! This block thingy is harder than I thought!



4478. Post 14580265 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Tzupy on April 18, 2016, 08:59:53 AM
The evolution of the bid sum on Huobi for the last 30 days suggests an upcoming pump.

Tzupy bullish...

One ticket to the moon please...



Quote from: Elwar on April 18, 2016, 09:04:44 AM
This says everything you need to know about the Bitcoin price:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hKN9J-fFSs&feature=youtu.be

And about bitcoiners. We're paying poor children in India to pump Bitcoin.



4479. Post 14582126 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Tzupy on April 18, 2016, 11:18:42 AM
The evolution of the bid sum on Huobi for the last 30 days suggests an upcoming pump.

Tzupy bullish...

One ticket to the moon please...

...
And about bitcoiners. We're paying poor children in India to pump Bitcoin.

Bullish? That's too much to say. I am 1.5x long, and looking for a strong Chinese pump to add to my position upto 3x.
If there will be no pump soon, within a week, there will be no moon (actually, rally to ~800$), within 2 months.

Good enough for me.

CHOO CHOO




hgnfgnhhhdffff...move..hgggnnfngh...



4480. Post 14582996 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Dilla on April 18, 2016, 03:01:43 PM
I saw we touch $420 on 4/20 and then a rise to $450

What's this obsession with Hitlers birthday? How does it relate to Btcoin?



4481. Post 14583282 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: noobtrader on April 18, 2016, 03:22:54 PM
I saw we touch $420 on 4/20 and then a rise to $450

What's this obsession with Hitlers birthday? How does it relate to Btcoin?

maybe because some ppl are thinking Bitcoin is coming from the dark? all the old Bitcoin stuff websites were black and and we were afraid to browse these sites on work because colleagues could think it's some sort of porno.

Grin

Quote
I saw we touch $420 on 4/20 and then a rise to $666

i think 420 has something todo with cannabis stuff tho Huh

Ok, let's hope the unholy trinity of Bitcoin, Drugs and Hitler will send this mofo to the moon then.




4482. Post 14586531 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


You two are a bit slow aren't ya?



4483. Post 14587789 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on April 19, 2016, 12:10:59 AM
3.6 MB blocks on the segwit testnet.

https://segnet.smartbit.com.au/blocks?sort=size

What is it?

They are testing big blocks in another chain or simulator, or what?

this is a testnet for segwit. before a release to public or on the mainnet Core is testing all the improvements.

Do you know how much of it is witness data and how relevant this would be to the kind of usage patterns we have today? Are these kinds of segwit block sizes perhaps more relevant for when LN is launched?



4484. Post 14587910 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on April 19, 2016, 12:31:33 AM
3.6 MB blocks on the segwit testnet.

https://segnet.smartbit.com.au/blocks?sort=size

What is it?

They are testing big blocks in another chain or simulator, or what?

this is a testnet for segwit. before a release to public or on the mainnet Core is testing all the improvements.

Do you know how much of it is witness data and how relevant this would be to the kind of usage patterns we have today? Are these kinds of segwit block sizes perhaps more relevant for when LN is launched?

LN is a other story because it is off-chain. just the start and the end is manifested in the blockchain. the other whole lifecycle of certain LN activities do not affect the blockchain.

SegWit is a speration of data from the blockchain which is not immediate necessary for txs. and because of this you can see blocks of 3.6 MB. the data which is necessary is stored in the blockchain and the other data is seperated. in sum you have data of 3.6 MB for example but the necessary data is just 0.9 MB.

The reason I ask is that, as I understood, the ins and outs of the LN streams are some of the few txs which would use that much witness data.

In any event I'm guessing these tests will be used to block any notion of a maxblocksize hf as it's pretty close to the 4mb total they agreed upon with the miners earlier this year.

It will be interesting to see what LN does to centralization over the coming years. I hope it's not the beginning of the end.



4485. Post 14588005 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on April 19, 2016, 12:53:35 AM
3.6 MB blocks on the segwit testnet.

https://segnet.smartbit.com.au/blocks?sort=size

What is it?

They are testing big blocks in another chain or simulator, or what?

this is a testnet for segwit. before a release to public or on the mainnet Core is testing all the improvements.

Do you know how much of it is witness data and how relevant this would be to the kind of usage patterns we have today? Are these kinds of segwit block sizes perhaps more relevant for when LN is launched?

LN is a other story because it is off-chain. just the start and the end is manifested in the blockchain. the other whole lifecycle of certain LN activities do not affect the blockchain.

SegWit is a speration of data from the blockchain which is not immediate necessary for txs. and because of this you can see blocks of 3.6 MB. the data which is necessary is stored in the blockchain and the other data is seperated. in sum you have data of 3.6 MB for example but the necessary data is just 0.9 MB.

The reason I ask is that, as I understood, the ins and outs of the LN streams are some of the few txs which would use that much witness data.

In any event I'm guessing these tests will be used to block any notion of a maxblocksize hf as it's pretty close to the 4mb total they agreed upon with the miners earlier this year.

It will be interesting to see what LN does to centralization over the coming years. I hope it's not the beginning of the end.

i guess as soon segwit is activated and LN nodes occur we will see stress tests to attack the mainnet. then we know what for a amout of txs (on-chain and off-chain) is possible with 1MB+SegWit+LN.

imagine if we will come to a consensus to reduce the blocksize to 0.5 MB in 2017/2018 because of fees are to low.  Grin

Careful now. You'll be quoting Bible verses with Luke-Jr soon.



4486. Post 14601287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Dotto on April 20, 2016, 03:07:17 AM
Forked-tongue lying Stolfi

Fucking Brazillians.  Never trust anyone from Spain, Russia, Brazil, a girl with a scorpion tattoo, or anyone that wants to play cards that's named after a city.

Itīs not were you come from, but who you are. I wouldnīt trust a roach with a scorpion tatoo, thought  Grin

Viva mexico, cabrones!!.





(Prob not helping)



4487. Post 14602391 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


It's interesting how nutters assume other nutters are normal people with ill intent.



4488. Post 14608108 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):




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4490. Post 14608387 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: hd060053 on April 20, 2016, 05:21:00 PM
Altcoin troll boxes getting nervous now Huh Huh

LOL! They're packing their parachutes.



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4492. Post 14619762 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Hunyadi on April 21, 2016, 04:25:50 PM
Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

Quote
On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?

Good luck banning decentralized exchanges like Bitsquare.
https://bitsquare.io/

"One may describe Bitsquare is as a fully decentralized​ version of LocalBitcoins,"...Yay! More shady meetups with cp vendors and drug dealers!


You can use SEPA, OKpay, etc. The exchange is just starting, but it has lots of potential. At least, it is impossible to take down.

... or registered fiat transactions to aforementioned lost souls.

Don't get me wrong, I'm curious to see how this works out, but I'll probably watch from the sidelines. The anarco nutters will probably fap their back out with this though.



4493. Post 14620072 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 21, 2016, 04:53:23 PM
You Canadians even got a president?

Our PM looks like Prince Charming and just explained quantum computing like a 5-year-old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZBLSjF56S8


You're wasting your breath. Pearls before swine.

Thank gawd we have a prime minister who has no more vote than any other minister, and not some despot with absolute powers (and a veto).

That video fried my brain when it came out. Everyone, from the norwegian news site where I originally saw it to the youtube comment section, seem to think what he's saying is correct.

I got IT crowd flashbacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0



4494. Post 14620597 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: podyx on April 21, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
Where are the trains and the rockets guys?  Huh


Too happy, can't roar



4495. Post 14621798 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: ImI on April 21, 2016, 07:36:32 PM

Steam incoming.

https://twitter.com/SteamDB/status/723230754113724416

FINALLY!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! !!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!



4496. Post 14622247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Andre# on April 21, 2016, 08:41:26 PM
I not only checked the context,  I'm trading on Bitsquare now (two bids, two asks, one trade ongoing). It works like a charm, I'm impressed how mature the software is. No failing in sight, yet.
Yeah, me too. Made three million dollars already. No way for you to verify it, could be lying through my teeth, but hey, that's the beauty of it, amirite?



You'll probably say I photoshopped it together...

sweet...

crypto trading without exchanges going awol



4497. Post 14647248 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on April 24, 2016, 01:10:24 AM

Kudos for a Martin Luther King quote in this thread.



4498. Post 14650344 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Tzupy on April 24, 2016, 02:20:26 PM
Oops, OKCoin dumps, rally must take a break. I closed my long earlier today for a tiny profit, 447 to 455.

Give in Tzupy!

You know this is what we've been waiting for.

The four horsemen are closing in.

HODL!



4499. Post 14653220 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: 2015Bubble on April 24, 2016, 07:16:53 PM
Lol I was taking a shit and watching bitcointicker.co, it jumped to 470 in 5 secs, reminds me of the good old days.
China not moving that hard. Kinda strange.
Great turd I left behind..

Let us know of any future bowel movements. I'm considering leverage.



Quote from: luckygenough56 on April 24, 2016, 08:18:00 PM
i sold 2/3 of my stash at 465 am weak Smiley

Buy them back, put 5% in LTC and stop fucking around. That's an order, sir!



4500. Post 14653512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Ibian on April 24, 2016, 08:46:49 PM
[img ]http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/9e/9ea191d885a515d82641272036160257a50f132865bf9d0f0cf1a4b523437e71.jpg[/img]
I did buy a boat and it is awesome. In a couple years when the price is ten times what it is now I will have enough to float around the world for... years if not life. Awesome life.

Cool! Make sure to stop by Kingston and give them a piece of your mind. I'll keep an eye on the headlines.



4501. Post 14662931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on April 25, 2016, 07:14:32 PM
can china please ban bitcoin one more time ?
i need more cheap bitcoins

We had most of 2015 to stock up on cheap coins. Even as late as last August the price was below $200.

Anyone with more fiat than Bitcoin has only him/herself to blame.

That said, I'd love to acquire more coins but I'd rather see the value of my amassed coins skyrocket.

2014 was the aberration, the only calendar year that saw the price of bitcoins actually fall. Now it's time for Bitcoin to resume its natural organic growth.

Jimbo needs a new generator for his cabin.

Quote from: USB-S on April 25, 2016, 07:55:33 PM
I was thrown out of a train, because I didn't have enough money to buy a ticket. I'm such a bum, but for some reason I feel rich.
We need more green dildos!
ALL PIRATES UNITE!
Ethereum theme song

Just be careful, I think that's illegal back in the motherland.



4502. Post 14663111 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: podyx on April 25, 2016, 08:07:36 PM
Light it up fellas



4503. Post 14683960 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on April 27, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Shocked btce adds ETH and dash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked

kool, it's still going to keep crashing down though



4504. Post 14684011 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


This is for all you of little faith (except tzupy, he's cuddly):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_z4nSkQt8g



4505. Post 14684026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on April 27, 2016, 03:24:12 PM
Shocked btce adds ETH and dash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked

kool, it's still going to keep crashing down though
perhaps for short term , but i do sense a btce pump on both of these coins , the btce guys must have plenty of both. Also if any exchange sells ltc , soon they will list ETH

That's actually a good point. I'm sort of lost for words.



4506. Post 14684227 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

^^^^^ porkchops pumping crypto... well I'll be...



4507. Post 14688114 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


this is silly

the moon is so close

stop being silly



4508. Post 14691083 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


5$ up in a few min

interdasting



4509. Post 14694406 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: abercrombie on April 28, 2016, 02:23:02 PM
is crypto done??  Huh



Don't know what you're talking about. Everything is ok.





4510. Post 14696147 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


Checked my steam account. Bitcoin shows up as a payment option.



4511. Post 14697361 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: gizmoh on April 28, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
http://dcg-insights.co/digital-currency-group-adds-new-investors-board-members-and-advisors/

https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/725701145000333312

1/ Excited to announce new @DCGco investors: @WesternUnion, HCM (Foxconn), Gibraltar (Prudential), @OMERSVentures

2/ And joining @DCGco board: Glenn Hutchins (co-founder Silver Lake; Director NASDAQ/AT&T/NY Fed), @lawrencelenihan (founder @FirstMarkCap)

3/ And thrilled to have join as Senior Advisors: @LHSummers (former U.S. Treasury Secretary) and @gavinandresen (former lead dev of bitcoin)



Big Boys are gradually opening up to Digital currencies.. Western Union capitulating!

Buy Buy BUY! Cheesy

Western Union's been working with ripple for a while. I guess they learned that private blockchains ain't worth sh*t for what Western Union does.



4512. Post 14697660 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: lolikop on April 28, 2016, 08:58:00 PM

Checked my steam account. Bitcoin shows up as a payment option.

Oh really like we didnt know that yet....

Wasn't meant as a newsflash. Just saying it works. Lots of BS and fake hype in Cryptoland.



4513. Post 14702180 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: r0ach on April 29, 2016, 09:43:23 AM
The good old days when we had central bankers:



That's a picture from Somaliland, which is internationally recognized as an autonomus region of the stateless country called Somalia.

So it's more an example of life without a strong state. Not sure if that's what you were aiming for.

These newfangled fascists are kinda hard to read.



4514. Post 14702275 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: r0ach on April 29, 2016, 11:07:25 AM
The good old days when we had central bankers:



That's a picture from Somaliland, which is internationally recognized as an autonomus region of the stateless country called Somalia.

So it's more an example of life without a strong state. Not sure if that's what you were aiming for.

These newfangled fascists are kinda hard to read.

Since it doesn't have a "strong state", I guess we can only assume the money printed itself.

Well, it's not printed by the Somali government, nor recognized by it. Formally it's on par with Bitcoin in that regard.



4515. Post 14702481 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: r0ach on April 29, 2016, 11:32:46 AM
The good old days when we had central bankers:



That's a picture from Somaliland, which is internationally recognized as an autonomus region of the stateless country called Somalia.

So it's more an example of life without a strong state. Not sure if that's what you were aiming for.

These newfangled fascists are kinda hard to read.

Since it doesn't have a "strong state", I guess we can only assume the money printed itself.

Well, it's not printed by the Somali government, nor recognized by it. Formally it's on par with Bitcoin in that regard.


So the Somalians don't have a government, but they have money, and the government that doesn't exist doesn't recognize it's currency.

Not quite, but I'm sure you can figure it out with a few google searches. Suffice to say that your picture from a de facto anarchic state/stateless country might not be the best illustration of the perils of central banking.



4516. Post 14704101 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Elwar on April 29, 2016, 02:36:35 PM


Warm weather, nice people, lots of guns, no gov. I don't see why you're so opposed to this suggestion.



4517. Post 14704196 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: European Central Bank on April 29, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
And the women are incredbily beautiful. I'd have to marry one with some serious firepower. Wouldn't wanna be kidnapped on my wedding night.

I'm told you buy security in anarcap-world. I don't understand why it wouldn't work just as well in Somalia.



4518. Post 14705357 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: whored on April 29, 2016, 04:24:44 AM
(we spell it c h e c k here, sans flowery que *lifts pinky* Britishisms)

otherwise known as english



4519. Post 14722852 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):


HAPPY MAY DAY!!!




4520. Post 14731414 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 02, 2016, 01:45:13 PM
Something to think about though.

The last time Satoshi was wrongly revealed, Satoshi posted "I am not Dorian Satoshi".

No such post here.

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html

It's old, maybe he changed his mind.



4521. Post 14734851 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.49h):

Quote from: oda.krell on May 02, 2016, 03:12:35 PM
There's nothing ireffutable yet. And who in the BBC is going to have much of a clue as to what it takes to prove it?

I can't be the only one who wants to see a BBC Bitcoin special hosted by Jeremy Clarkson?

"Some say..."

OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!

Satoshi is The Stig!!!!!!



4522. Post 14743300 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: DaRude on May 03, 2016, 04:31:41 PM
I didn't keep up with all of the drama, but did we dump from $450 to $436 on the news that Satoshi was found? Or did that happen before the "news"

after



4523. Post 14744493 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: yefi on May 03, 2016, 05:44:14 PM
^^Do you hate Dr. Wright more for having a doctorate, or because he's Australian and invented bitcoins?
*Or is t just jealousy? Can't stand to see another fellow win?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

You've obviously not been exposed to his porn collection.



4524. Post 14754077 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: podyx on May 04, 2016, 06:47:16 PM




Yeez, Louise! Podyx is Swedish!

Edit: Tjenare, grabben!



4525. Post 14754113 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: SheHadMANHands on May 03, 2016, 11:34:37 PM
Craig Wright interview (3 parts), supposedly from June 10th, 2014:

vimeo.com/149035662  
vimeo.com/149115042



Check out "part 2" (vimeo.com/149115042), starting at about ~9min 50sec mark.  

Has he been planning this for years?

That part is the most convincing evidence thus far.



4526. Post 14754372 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: podyx on May 04, 2016, 07:21:16 PM
img width=1000]http://i.imgur.com/NHALXUj.png?1[/img]

img]http://www.islamicmeditation.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/grateful-arms-open-300x248.jpg[/img]

Yeez, Louise! Podyx is Swedish!

Edit: Tjenare, grabben!

haha, tja Wink

I should have known. I see your avatar is Christer Fuglesang.



4527. Post 14754747 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

^^^^
Tzupy is always ready for a bear party.





4528. Post 14754847 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Blacula X on May 04, 2016, 08:26:11 PM
Yeez, Louise! Podyx is Swedish!

Edit: Tjenare, grabben!

Swedish cheese, much like the Swedish army knife, is not really famous.

@Fatman3001, the bear rubbed one off into a cocktail shaker & is gonna drink it? I don't get it. A pun on "cock"tail Huh

It's a teddy, he doesn't have a dick. Get your mind out of the gutter.

Edit: Btw, what the f*** would the swedes need an army knife for?



Wars are not won with bottle openers.



4529. Post 14755039 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: snoovering on May 04, 2016, 08:49:07 PM
...
Edit: Btw, what the f*** would the swedes need an army knife for?

[img width=450 ]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Saab-JAS-39_at_ILA_2010_05.jpg[/img]

Wars are not won with bottle openers.

Is that an airplane built by that failed Swedish car company that used to make weird Swedish cars before it failed? Sort of like Tatra only not cool at all?

yup

Quote from: Blacula X on May 04, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
Then how was he? He's going to drink someone else's cum? Is it funny because bear is Swedish? Getting more confused Sad

You're too hung up on cum to keep your eye on the ball.



4530. Post 14755768 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Andre# on May 04, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
Yeez, Louise! Podyx is Swedish!

Edit: Tjenare, grabben!

Swedish cheese, much like the Swedish army knife, is not really famous.

@Fatman3001, the bear rubbed one off into a cocktail shaker & is gonna drink it? I don't get it. A pun on "cock"tail Huh

It's a teddy, he doesn't have a dick. Get your mind out of the gutter.

Yes, he does!



Friggin millenials and your sexy teddys



4531. Post 14759958 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


As this sort of is my spiritual home I'll post this regarding CW/SN here as well:

Quote from: Fatman3001 on May 05, 2016, 11:08:50 AM


A WO-thread buddy of mine shared an interesting point:

This is how Satoshi Nakamoto would have to reveal himself in order to not risk breaking Bitcoin or causing market disruptions.

* First you contact people you know you can prove it to, make them sign an NDA and keep 100% control of the process.

* Release the claim along with confirmations from these trusted parties.

* Provide confusing proof to the public to soften the blow.

* Let time pass.

* Gradually provide more convincing proof to the public.


With that in mind it would probably be wise to keep from going apeshit on forums before we know more.



4532. Post 14762116 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


BTW, where's segwit?



4533. Post 14762183 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 05, 2016, 03:15:50 PM

BTW, where's segwit?


Currently in use but should be on the blockchain any day now.



sweeet

Quote from: tomothy on May 05, 2016, 03:18:45 PM
Two weeks...

Ok, so they've got Josh Zerlan working on it?

He was in the special forces, you know.

You have to trust a SEAL, or you're a traitor.




4534. Post 14766013 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Holliday on May 05, 2016, 11:23:22 PM
I see a fairly decent sized wall, and no one is talking about it here. Now I have the sad.

Edit: Wall shrinks

Yeah, Bitfinex wall grew from 1.5k to 4.5k, then shrank back. But it was enough to make me close my long at a tiny loss (slippage and fees).
Let someone else attack that wall with force, then maybe I'll take a little bite too. I was expecting a little pump, but with low volume a 4.5k ask wall should hold.

Now it's turning into a stairway.

Am E+ C D F G Am



4535. Post 14766201 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: bobabouey2 on May 05, 2016, 11:57:54 PM
Kudos to Gavin:

Quote
Gavin Andresen ‏@gavinandresen  4h4 hours ago
Today I'm thinking: @aantonop is a very wise man. And: "we are all Satoshi" is such a lovely idea; might say "yes" when asked "are you?"

Didn't Gavin say in "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin" that he was in Australia around the time Bitcoin started?

GAVIN IS CRAIG WRIGHT!!!



4536. Post 14770666 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: BitUsher on May 06, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
https://laanwj.github.io/2016/05/06/hostility-scams-and-moving-forward.html

Explanation for Gavin's Commit status being revoked.

Sure, they thought his account was compromised. It wasn't, but now they won't give it back.

I'm happy for you. You got your purge. It's important to wash out impurities. How else can you create the perfect society.



4537. Post 14770931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 06, 2016, 02:02:47 PM

...but the latest one needs to be recognized for what it was, an attempted coupe that would have allowed bitcoin to become anyone's bitch with ease and propaganda...





4538. Post 14773902 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


@porkchops

I really don't know what's worse. The assholes or the idiots.



4539. Post 14775386 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 06, 2016, 11:56:02 PM
Now that the world knows the Satoshi coins are safely tucked away in the bosom of the Tulip Trust...
Are they?

Or aren't they?  Undecided

You gotta buy into Wright's phoney story and lacking evidence if you are going to go with the seemingly made up Tulip Trust scenario. 

Or do you?

Why are you having such a difficult time with this?  You blind or something?

I know something's happening here, but I don't know what it is.

Satoshi came out of the closet and "The Bitcoin Community" threw him back in again.



4540. Post 14775418 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 07, 2016, 01:30:06 AM
Cry where's segwit?  Cry

Segwit is (as promised) right here:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7910


every day without an inch of movement from Blockstream, increases the possibility. The fact that they start bringing up PoW changes when backed into a corner gives even more weight to the idea that they would rather go to war than compromise to 2MB.

Blockstream is moving rapidly on segwit, sidechains, and Lightning.  They are meticulously preparing Bitcoin to be carefully scaled ASAP.

Classic, OTOH, is spreading '2MB? Not much testing needed' nonsense.

And yes, we will "go to war" to defend Bitcoin's diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient characteristics, from which its key interesting property of antifragility emerges.

Whine about it all you want.  Nothing you do can move our Honey Badger's needle one iota.  You have no power here.

You're the one whining. We're winning.

Now who is the one whining?  You.

Now who is the one winning?  Me.

I hope you've learned something here, besides what it feels like to be crushed by a 75,000 horsepower iCEBREAKER.


Cool! I managed to annoy wINDBREAKER!

Success!!!

Edit: a post from January? Man, I must really have gotten under his skin. This feels sooooo gooood!



4541. Post 14775467 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 07, 2016, 01:44:41 AM
I think the most sensible theory going is that Kleiman was the voice of Satoshi on this forum; the times during which our Satoshi posted seems to suggest he was doing it from the states. I think Wright probably wrote the white paper and had Kleiman edit it? And it was probably Wright communicating with Gavin by email.

Or not. But it has to have been someone, and a bunch of this stuff fits. Even if CSW happens to be some kind of nut. Let's face it...

JVP confirmed that CW was the Satashi Nakamoto he met in 2005. So if it's a scam then he's in on it too.



4542. Post 14775512 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: European Central Bank on May 07, 2016, 01:56:03 AM

JVP confirmed that CW was the Satashi Nakamoto he met in 2005. So if it's a scam then he's in on it too.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/satoshi-saga-continues-tulip-trust-trustee-expected-to-appear-by-september-says-joseph-vaughnperling-1462467803

This interview with him sucks butt. I'm not interested in what he has to say after all this cryptic shit.

Nobody is forcing you to have an opinion. Just kick your shoes off, lean back and relax.



4543. Post 14775554 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 07, 2016, 02:01:24 AM
I think the most sensible theory going is that Kleiman was the voice of Satoshi on this forum; the times during which our Satoshi posted seems to suggest he was doing it from the states. I think Wright probably wrote the white paper and had Kleiman edit it? And it was probably Wright communicating with Gavin by email.

Or not. But it has to have been someone, and a bunch of this stuff fits. Even if CSW happens to be some kind of nut. Let's face it...

JVP confirmed that CW was the Satashi Nakamoto he met in 2005. So if it's a scam then he's in on it too.

Looks like the two of you want to use scant evidence and nearly pure conjecture to continue this matter when more easily and readily available means to prove (if CW had been involved as Satoshi) exist and are not being employed... in other words, you are attempting to spread FUCD... based on pure conjecture when the actual direct evidence and logic supports the contrary conclusion that Wright is a credential reliant, fucking phoney and wanna be scam artist.

I think you're right in saying that he's a "wanna be scam artist" atm. Unintentionally, of course, but it doesn't happen often so let's celebrate it.




4544. Post 14777192 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 07, 2016, 03:02:39 AM
Cry where's segwit?  Cry

Segwit is (as promised) right here:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7910


every day without an inch of movement from Blockstream, increases the possibility. The fact that they start bringing up PoW changes when backed into a corner gives even more weight to the idea that they would rather go to war than compromise to 2MB.

Blockstream is moving rapidly on segwit, sidechains, and Lightning.  They are meticulously preparing Bitcoin to be carefully scaled ASAP.

Classic, OTOH, is spreading '2MB? Not much testing needed' nonsense.

And yes, we will "go to war" to defend Bitcoin's diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient characteristics, from which its key interesting property of antifragility emerges.

Whine about it all you want.  Nothing you do can move our Honey Badger's needle one iota.  You have no power here.

You're the one whining. We're winning.

Now who is the one whining?  You.

Now who is the one winning?  Me.

I hope you've learned something here, besides what it feels like to be crushed by a 75,000 horsepower iCEBREAKER.

[img ]http://i.imgur.com/s0rPTD3.jpg[/img]

Cool! I managed to annoy wINDBREAKER!

Success!!!

Edit: a post from January? Man, I must really have gotten under his skin. This feels sooooo gooood!

I'll take that as a grudging (less than graceful, borderline creepy) concession.   Smiley

The "remember this" post from January demonstrates I have the patience to wait you out and serve your comeuppance iCE cold.   Cool

Are you going to try to spin and paint Gavin's summary dismissal with some kid of pro-Classic gloss?

Or is the best excuse/distraction you can come up with "ZOMG JANUARY POST WAS FROM JANUARY?"   Cheesy

Oh man, thx! You made my day.

Such butthurt over an old post!

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 07, 2016, 03:15:07 AM

And the stampeding herds of noisy Gavinista Lolcows are more comedy than adversity.



The once-mighty herds of Gavinista Lolcows, sadly, are dying.  But I still wake up laughing at their hubris and folly.   Tongue

They are afflicted with a malaise no amount of spin and cheerleading can cure.

Even such dumb beasts possess an intuitive inkling of impending doom.  Perhaps they can smell the death pheromones wafting from Core's Darwinian slaughterhouse.

Gavininsta Lolcows once roamed the plains of Bitcoin in great numbers.  Now they are reduced to writing "we still love Gavin even if he lied and/or is stupid" fanfic on /r/btc.

February?

BAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!! HAAAAAA!!!!

Stop it! It's too much!!

You're such a tiny little man!



Congrats SFC!



4545. Post 14778477 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: stereotype on May 07, 2016, 10:35:36 AM
God my ass is burning from hotsauce.
Bullish
Hmmm.  satoshisauce.com has a certain ring to it, and still available.

What would the ingredients be?



4546. Post 14783717 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 07, 2016, 09:34:21 PM
February?

BAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!! HAAAAAA!!!!

Stop it! It's too much!!

You're such a tiny little man!

Why do you have such a huge problem with being held accountable for what you said in the past?

Do your posts have an expiration date, after which you are no longer responsible for their (spectacularly wrong) assertions?

Your Hillaryesque "Old news is old; at this point what difference does it make?" deflection doesn't change the fact you got #REKT.

BAAAAAA!!!! HAAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!!



Seriously! This is too much!!!

And you're outside of your pathetic little echo chamber, so you can't even delete my posts!



You lot of whining ninnies kind of lose track of the real world in there, don't ya?

Well, at least you're kind enough to comfort Gmaxwell, and tell him what he wants to hear.

I'm not sure if that makes you human, but at least you serve a purpose. Sort of. Maybe.



4547. Post 14784038 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on May 07, 2016, 11:16:03 PM
February?

BAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!! HAAAAAA!!!!

Stop it! It's too much!!

You're such a tiny little man!

Why do you have such a huge problem with being held accountable for what you said in the past?

Do your posts have an expiration date, after which you are no longer responsible for their (spectacularly wrong) assertions?

Your Hillaryesque "Old news is old; at this point what difference does it make?" deflection doesn't change the fact you got #REKT.

BAAAAAA!!!! HAAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!!

Seriously! This is too much!!!

And you're outside of your pathetic little echo chamber, so you can't even delete my posts!

You lot of whining ninnies kind of lose track of the real world in there, don't ya?

Well, at least you're kind enough to comfort Gmaxwell, and tell him what he wants to hear.

I'm not sure if that makes you human, but at least you serve a purpose. Sort of. Maybe.

OK, we get it already.  You expect be to allowed to spout off Gavinista hivemind crap about how "Classic is winning and Core is whining," but not be reminded of such posts when they are no longer congruent with consensus reality.

I recommend you delete all your old premature-XT-victory-declaring posts that are now potential sources of embarrassment, before I find more and use them to humiliate you further.   Wink


It burns, doesn't it?



4548. Post 14785674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on May 08, 2016, 03:47:26 AM
February?

BAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!! HAAAAAA!!!!

Stop it! It's too much!!

You're such a tiny little man!

Why do you have such a huge problem with being held accountable for what you said in the past?

Do your posts have an expiration date, after which you are no longer responsible for their (spectacularly wrong) assertions?

Your Hillaryesque "Old news is old; at this point what difference does it make?" deflection doesn't change the fact you got #REKT.

BAAAAAA!!!! HAAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!!!

[img ]https://media.giphy.com/media/FBnRXlSSDFNsc/giphy.gif[/img]

Seriously! This is too much!!!

And you're outside of your pathetic little echo chamber, so you can't even delete my posts!

[img width=300 ]https://media.giphy.com/media/l2JJDPxrVpDw3fbEI/giphy.gif[/img]

You lot of whining ninnies kind of lose track of the real world in there, don't ya?

Well, at least you're kind enough to comfort Gmaxwell, and tell him what he wants to hear.

I'm not sure if that makes you human, but at least you serve a purpose. Sort of. Maybe.


OMG 11 years old. Stop trolling or i will call your mom.

Ok, I get it. Fascists look out for each other. Good for you.



4549. Post 14791210 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


As a miner I'm pretty sure the halving is going to have an effect.

Even the best run operation has expenses.



4550. Post 14804545 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: TERA on May 10, 2016, 03:29:16 AM
Wow that looks like a really good chart right? Looks like the price has been 'breaking out' for over a month as it nudges closer and closer against resistance. Sentiments have been tremendously universally bullish for months as bitcoin makes headlines all over the news and the chart looks just like 2012 right before the 2012 halving. Every thread on the forum is positive and predicts the level of the next rise. Meanwhile, CHINA is still the market leader. What could go wrong, right? The BFX order book bids are paper thin and BFX longs are maxxed out at 32M. Each time this margin level was reached in the past was when bulls were buying in to what looked like a big breakout (such as in July 2014) but inflected into the next decline instead. I'd say there is a distinctive chance of another decline to the 300s before any meaningful rise. I'm not betting anything on that though.

TERA spotted

Mewn




4551. Post 14808796 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 10, 2016, 01:56:01 PM
So slaving for the jackbooted thugs is a Libertarian thing? I guess the entire US military-industrial complex is 100% Libertarian, all doing exactly what you're doing -- impoverishing Uncle Sam by getting paid in his scrip toilet paper.
How's it going thus far, US military machine bankrupt yet?

Keep voting for the status quo and the military machine will keep on as it always has. I've met plenty of libertarians in my line of work.

You may also enjoy the fact that by living overseas I pay no income taxes.

At least I'm not funding ISIS with my tax dollars.

Lol, YOU are the military machine, Elwar. Just like SS troopers were a part of Wehrmacht.
Surprise!

It's a big machine. Over $600 billion wasted every year on making the American public feel "safe". And the American voter just loves giving me money so they can feel safe.

This is a weird argument. One you only can have with libertarians/anarcaps. Out of me, you and porkchops the only one who thinks you're genuinely doing something wrong is you. And you're in denial. Which is a sort of libertarian/anarcap thing to do, I guess. Sort of like how Bitusher is promoting the Bitcoin Purge from his Anarcap Commune.

Bitcoin is weird.



4552. Post 14811158 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 10, 2016, 07:11:37 PM

I just don't understand how people like this and like Snowden seem to feel so shocked when they realize that the government is not the wonderful thing they believe it is. They only have themselves to blame for not educating themselves on the world around them.

The ramblings of the guy sound like he's watched a bunch of conspiracy YouTube videos and put it all into a single suicide letter. Everything in the letter you could get from watching Alex Jones for a week.

If he truly cared about America he would stay alive and collect evidence and expose what people don't already know instead of just parroting what people have been talking about for years. Just like how Snowden revealed a bunch of stuff that people already knew. Those that didn't know already supported what the government was doing anyway, those that did know acted like it was a big deal but they knew it already so it wasn't really a big deal. Meanwhile the guy goes and throws his life away.

Paranoid ramblings ending in suicide might be a sign of mental illness (Just a thought, I'm no expert). In which case what's needed is a better mental health care system.



4553. Post 14812267 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):



4 posts in a row

shouldn't those groovy mods who bravely banned our drunken master ban this prancing ninny as well?



4554. Post 14812306 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on May 10, 2016, 10:03:41 PM


4 posts in a row

shouldn't those groovy mods who bravely banned our drunken master ban this prancing ninny as well?

Calling for bans is pretty bad form I think, he hasn't really done much wrong.

Price stuck in the same rut it's been in for a while, I almost miss the volatility of old.

Don't worry. JJG is down with Core. I just had a thought and it spilled out on this forum.



4555. Post 14812823 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 10, 2016, 10:19:45 PM
I just had a thought and it spilled out on this forum.

Yeah, this is what kids do.  They have difficulties with self-discipline.  Maybe you should think a little bit before you type?


I wrote that because I thought you would sympathize.

The other two rants you had about my post sort of TL,DR'd on me, so I don't really know how pissed you are.

All I can say is: A man can dream, can't he?



4556. Post 14813173 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 11, 2016, 12:29:49 AM
I just had a thought and it spilled out on this forum.

Yeah, this is what kids do.  They have difficulties with self-discipline.  Maybe you should think a little bit before you type?


I wrote that because I thought you would sympathize.

The other two rants you had about my post sort of TL,DR'd on me, so I don't really know how pissed you are.

All I can say is: A man can dream, can't he?

To the extent that there is any comprehensibility in what you just wrote,  you seem to be reading too much into my two most recent responses.

If you were a bit more able to discuss substance related to bitcoin and this thread, then it could help discussion of this thread overall, but that may be a bit too much to expect from you for more than one or two posts per week, hm?

The problem is probably more related to reading comprehension than comprehensibility. Maybe you should let the keyboard rest for a while so you can work on that. You've already killed one forum.



4557. Post 14830758 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Chainsaw on May 12, 2016, 06:10:39 PM


This talks about bits.  It is my understanding that qbits are significantly different from bits.  Sorry that I can't illuminate further.

"...until computers are built from something other than matter..."

We can get semantically cute and argue both sides, but in my book a quantum computer passes this definition.

Armchair scientist here, but - the differentiating criterion of a quantum computer is the existence of these chained qbits.
A problem with 2^8 possibilities has 256 solutions. Our normal computers take that O(n^2) problem and solves it by traversing all n^2 solutions.
Computer science demonstrates we can solve big-O problems in less than the brute force number of times. However, we cannot reduce Big-O-COMPLEX problems into a problem set that is small enough for a regular computer to solve.

A quantum computer would look at this problem and say, okay, I need 8 qbits. One to store each of the two possible outcomes for each of the 8 possibilities.
Having those, the solution is O(1) - it is already solved. Each qbit holds BOTH states, so a 2^8 problem requires 8 qbits. A 2^512 problem requires 512 qbits and it is solved. A standard computer could never solve it.

The writer of that quote understood that notion. He understood that a fundamentally different process must occur than the one we use today to make the next evolutionary leap in processing.

I would argue that since the 'core' of the machine relies not on a measurement that is physical, but on the underpinnings of quantum theory which rather fly in the face of matter...that the quote is quite correct.





I disagree. I think you give the writer too much credit. A natural reading of what's written is that it is impossible to break Bitcoins algo in this universe.

Quantum mechanics is very much part of this universe.

Disclaimer: Not even an armchair scientist.



4558. Post 14831113 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on May 12, 2016, 07:13:28 PM

I disagree. I think you give the writer too much credit. A natural reading of what's written is that it is impossible to break Bitcoins algo in this universe.

Quantum mechanics is very much part of this universe.

Disclaimer: Not even an armchair scientist.

The threat from QC is that Grover's Algorithm greatly reduces the space you need to search for solutions.  It is impossible to brute-force a problem with 2^256 solutions, but it is a lot easier if you can effectively make the problem smaller, and that is what Grover's algorithm does.


Mmmmkey, what's your point?



4559. Post 14831381 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: xyzzy099 on May 12, 2016, 07:57:35 PM

I disagree. I think you give the writer too much credit. A natural reading of what's written is that it is impossible to break Bitcoins algo in this universe.

Quantum mechanics is very much part of this universe.

Disclaimer: Not even an armchair scientist.

The threat from QC is that Grover's Algorithm greatly reduces the space you need to search for solutions.  It is impossible to brute-force a problem with 2^256 solutions, but it is a lot easier if you can effectively make the problem smaller, and that is what Grover's algorithm does.


Mmmmkey, what's your point?

That QC algorithms can make problems solvable that were previously unsolvable with classical computing.  A problem that would require potentially 2^256 attempts to reach a solution would be impossible to ever solve, for the reasons illustrated in the image above.  If you can reduce the number of computational steps to 2^128, or 2^64, it starts to become very possible.

Actually, it would be a lot more accurate to say that Grover's algorithm is one of the threats, not the threat.


Ok, I thought you disagreed with me. It's fascinating stuff that opens up a whole new world of possibilities. A bit annoying that one of those is to break Bitcoins security. I hope they can wait with switching the algo until crypto has found a reliable PoS system.



4560. Post 14832247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: sniveling on May 12, 2016, 09:28:51 PM
[img ]http://miguelmoreno.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fYFBsqp.jpg[/img]

This talks about bits.  It is my understanding that qbits are significantly different from bits.  Sorry that I can't illuminate further.

"...until computers are built from something other than matter..."

We can get semantically cute and argue both sides, but in my book a quantum computer passes this definition.

Armchair scientist here, but - the differentiating criterion of a quantum computer is the existence of these chained qbits.
A problem with 2^8 possibilities has 256 solutions. Our normal computers take that O(n^2) problem and solves it by traversing all n^2 solutions.
Computer science demonstrates we can solve big-O problems in less than the brute force number of times. However, we cannot reduce Big-O-COMPLEX problems into a problem set that is small enough for a regular computer to solve.

A quantum computer would look at this problem and say, okay, I need 8 qbits. One to store each of the two possible outcomes for each of the 8 possibilities.
Having those, the solution is O(1) - it is already solved. Each qbit holds BOTH states, so a 2^8 problem requires 8 qbits. A 2^512 problem requires 512 qbits and it is solved. A standard computer could never solve it.

The writer of that quote understood that notion. He understood that a fundamentally different process must occur than the one we use today to make the next evolutionary leap in processing.

I would argue that since the 'core' of the machine relies not on a measurement that is physical, but on the underpinnings of quantum theory which rather fly in the face of matter...that the quote is quite correct.

I disagree. I think you give the writer too much credit. A natural reading of what's written is that it is impossible to break Bitcoins algo in this universe.

Quantum mechanics is very much part of this universe.

Disclaimer: Not even an armchair scientist.

"... until computers are built from something other than matter and occupy something other than space".

Qbits exploit weird quantum effects like one atom being able to be in two places at the same time. The qbits in a quantum computer occupy something strange that might be considered "other than space". Existing in two places at the same time is a departure from the standard three dimensions of space we all know.

It's not magic, it's well known physics. And the computers themselves are built from common materials. It's simply taking more advantage of the quirks of quantum mechanics. Regular computers are based on quantum mechanics as well. Regular computers rely on quantum states as well. It hasn't ejected them from space and time.

Anyhew, your interpretation is contradicted by the bit at the end:

"Bitcoin - Your money is secured by the laws of the universe"

I'm not saying we can't read qc into it after the fact, just that I think Chainsaw was being a bit generous with regards to the original intentions of the author.



4561. Post 14832305 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

^^^ yeez, the stupid is strong in this one



4562. Post 14838106 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Elwar on May 13, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
You are correct.  I am not engaged in any kind of brevity, which is to say terseness, to trade BTC, so I find it conducive to extensively expound those, my terms or methodologies, and I don't feel inclined to look them up, at the moment or in foreseeable future, which is already priced in.

Stopped reading at trying too hard to sound smart.




Whooosh!



4563. Post 14839370 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


@Cassius

It was a good try. I'm wondering if JJG is a bot. He is using the same words incorrectly over and over again. He is completely incapable of accurately grasping the content of other peoples texts, and his massive posts are often completely devoid of meaning. It would even sort of make sense to use the WO thread to test such a bot.

If so, it's accurate enough to sometimes spot that it is being ridiculed and programmed to respond to this in a very basic way. But it seems to give quite a few false positives.

Like this for instance:


Quote from: Cassius on May 12, 2016, 09:16:15 PM
It's called grid trading. I do it with a bot on eth_btc. And I can tell you that in two sentences, or three if you count this one.

A reasonable response would be something like:

"Oh, I didn't know that was a thing. Thx man!"

Instead you get:

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 12, 2016, 10:30:52 PM

You can call it whatever you want, including uncle bob, if you chose not to explain specifics, which had included applying practice to theory and also responding to issues/questions raised by someone else on a forum.

And, by the way, you are welcome.    Roll Eyes Tongue      Cheesy

It doesn't make sense at all. It's the ramblings of an unfinished ai.



4564. Post 14850970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 14, 2016, 09:07:41 PM
Don't you folks have a DAO I can invest in or something?

GTFO ASAP DAO DOA



4565. Post 14851067 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 14, 2016, 09:25:56 PM
Don't you folks have a DAO I can invest in or something?

GTFO ASAP DAO DOA

Come on, wats a hundred million or so? It'll be fun!



wut?



ehh...

I'm eating.



4566. Post 14858292 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Ultrafinery on May 15, 2016, 04:50:27 PM
"We have previously communicated the fact that most clients’ crypto-asset funds are stored in multi-signature cold wallets. However, the malicious external party involved in this breach, managed to alter our system so that ETH and BTC deposit transfers by-passed the multi-sig cold storage and went directly to the hot wallet during the breach period. This means that losses of ETH funds exceed the 5% limit that we imposed on our hot wallets.
Loss of Funds

In total, the hot wallet breach resulted in the loss of ETH 185,000 and BTC 250, which is equivalent to USD 2 million. Shocked This represents 15% of total crypto-asset deposits held by Gatecoin." -- https://gatecoin.com/





4567. Post 14858443 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Ultrafinery on May 15, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
^^ I especially love "However, the malicious external party involved in this breach, managed to alter our system so that ETH and BTC deposit transfers by-passed the multi-sig cold storage and went directly to the hot wallet"
Sounds legit Undecided

It seems these things are often partially or wholly inside jobs.



4568. Post 14865858 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


Yah, where's segwit?



4569. Post 14866484 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: nioc on May 16, 2016, 02:01:18 PM

Yah, where's segwit?

I heard April so only 10.5 months to go. 

bullish



4570. Post 14884663 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: ImI on May 18, 2016, 02:46:25 AM

BTC looks sooo fucking weak right now and that only few weeks apart from Halving, not the best sign imo.


You really have not substantiated your claim in the above post...

you are right, i havent. its just an impression based for biggest parts on the complete lack of any volume and "action". BTC seems so bloodless right now it should be somehow vibrant right beneath such an important resistance and just weeks before the Halvening, but instead it seems sleeping.
another bad sign imo is that we have basically a very good sentiment, everybody is lookin forward with positive expectations to the Halvening. if nothing happens or the weeks before price might even start to decline we might see a big move south just out of disappointment.



No scaling solution. No capacity. No room for growth.

The one consolation, if this goes to fuck, is to see the swathes of retard monkeys drown in their own cum as they fap their way to the bottom.



4571. Post 14884755 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

^^^ look! there's one!



4572. Post 14884814 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Mervyn_Pumpkinhead on May 18, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
ETH is growing while the volume for BTC is only slowing Smiley

Investors see exciting new technology where the people running the show are working to solve the technical challenges they face before they become a problem.

I know this seems exotic in an environment where development is hijacked by an appalachian christian fundamentalist anarchist who wants to be able to run the entire network on raspberry pi's and cyrix gear in time for the rapture, but that's how it should be done.



4573. Post 14884917 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: hdbuck on May 18, 2016, 08:40:30 AM
ETH is growing while the volume for BTC is only slowing Smiley

Investors see exciting new technology where the people running the show are working to solve the technical challenges they face before they become a problem.

I know this seems exotic in an environment where development is hijacked by an appalachian christian fundamentalist anarchist who wants to be able to run the entire network on raspberry pi's and cyrix gear in time for the rapture, but that's how it should be done.

man you are deranged specimen.
why would you stay here then? move on?
give US-lambchop-G a BJ, buy DAO and go fuck yourself.



4574. Post 14885209 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: r0ach on May 18, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
Ethereum is useless and broken from a technical and fundamental standpoint.  Everyone that knows anything about cryptocurrency knows this (don't take my word for it, read everyone's view):

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361602.0

They all think you're a dick. The only one backing you is the one guy crazier than you. (sry, anonymint)



4575. Post 14904259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


How's that segwit going? Where's dev?



4576. Post 14909806 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


eth retreating

please stand in line

we're expecting some congestion until you lot give up and pump eth again



4577. Post 14913008 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: dumbfbrankings on May 20, 2016, 07:03:39 PM
Dat volume on battle for $440 gentlemen, rather remarkable.

(Who else isn't surprised that JJG likes Professional Wrestling, and the exposed asses of men?)  Cheesy

Hey, now. That's his one redeeming feature.



4578. Post 14913043 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: peonminer on May 20, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
Dat volume on battle for $440 gentlemen, rather remarkable.

(Who else isn't surprised that JJG likes Professional Wrestling, and the exposed asses of men?)  Cheesy


Peonminer and Jacksomethingsomething is here. We're up for a pump.



4579. Post 14916873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


The world will diligently wait until the capacity increase is well ready. A year? Two years? It doesn''t matter. Because Core devs are angel like creatures who doesn't care about money and short term gains. Perfect custodians of magic internet money. Besides, light rays of pure goodness shines out of their arses. Markets like that kind of thing.



4580. Post 14917075 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: dumbfbrankings on May 21, 2016, 07:18:22 AM
The world will diligently wait until the capacity increase is well ready. A year? Two years? It doesn''t matter. Because Core devs are angel like creatures who doesn't care about money and short term gains. Perfect custodians of magic internet money. Besides, light rays of pure goodness shines out of their arses. Markets like that kind of thing.

Cypherpunks write code… and found companies that dredge up $76 mil to be paid back with “innovative and complimentary products, which are highly orthogonal to the success of Bitcoin”.

It's the dawn of a new age



4581. Post 14929600 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: finkelsteinMonster on May 22, 2016, 01:14:02 PM

Darknet and deep web are used interchangeably.
By people that don't understand the difference...

But you're right that privacy of bitcoin transactions has to be drastically improved so that even not tech savvy people can safely use bitcoin for private transactions.

There are many coins with good anonymity, bitcoin is not one of them. In this case tho, bitcoin is not to blame.
Giving your real ID to an exchange & structuring bank transfers (to multiple banks, and then closing those accounts lol) is. That would've set off alarms no matter what coin was used.

Back in 1800s, Sherlock Holmes used to bang coke and lament the incompetence of current criminals. Imagine him today? Sad


Well, he's imaginary. So it's not exactly hard to do.




Or did you think he was real?



4582. Post 14929680 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: finkelsteinMonster on May 22, 2016, 02:53:24 PM

Darknet and deep web are used interchangeably.
By people that don't understand the difference...

But you're right that privacy of bitcoin transactions has to be drastically improved so that even not tech savvy people can safely use bitcoin for private transactions.

There are many coins with good anonymity, bitcoin is not one of them. In this case tho, bitcoin is not to blame.
Giving your real ID to an exchange & structuring bank transfers (to multiple banks, and then closing those accounts lol) is. That would've set off alarms no matter what coin was used.

Back in 1800s, Sherlock Holmes used to bang coke and lament the incompetence of current criminals. Imagine him today? Sad


Well, he's imaginary. So it's not exactly hard to do.




Or did you think he was real?

>he's imaginary
Just because he's famous, don't make him imaginary. Is Titanic imaginary too?



oh boy




4583. Post 14930270 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):


Hey, Adam!


Bobby Lee stole your idea:

https://twitter.com/bobbyclee/status/733310973591707648

Sue him! NOOOWWW!!!!!



4584. Post 14933604 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: USB-S on May 22, 2016, 08:04:44 PM



Ether pumpers are slowly dying.

Also called: living



4585. Post 14938227 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: ahpku on May 23, 2016, 11:09:45 AM
Look at this space, most fuckers think they know exactly what they're doing. Talking about really complicated stuff, that they have literally no concept of. I'm qualified as one of these dumb people, at least I'm aware of it.

Sure, most people still dicking around in bitcoin are not very bright. Just like most people still trying to make their fortunes with BTCeanies aren't very bright. I'd go as far as to say that these people are idiots *because* they're still dorking around with BTC/BTCeanies. Because falling for trendy overhyped bullshit is bad enough, but persisting after everyone has gone is simply retarded. Or weird.

That's what I meant by "get out at the right time." Not timing the market.

When you are in the ongoing process of comparing bitcoin to beanies, most of us should realize that you are a nut job, or at least you have nut job propagandistic thinking, and it appears that you are participating in this thread to "save us from ourselves."  Get out of here.

I didn't mean to hurt you
I'm sorry that I made you cry
I didn'tmean to huuuououorrrrrtttt you
[medley]
So [ra ta ta ta]

Houououold on to that feeeeeelin'...

Seriously tho, what is it that makes you think that people amused by your bitcoin antics are agents of some other BTCeanie cult?

"most of us should realize that you are a nut job, or at least you have nut job propagandistic thinking"

You have to admit, that's special. I'd like to meet someone with "nut job propagandistic thinking".



4586. Post 14946635 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: DaRude on May 24, 2016, 03:46:25 AM
4

That looks familiar

Yeah, let's see where this countdown stops.

Marcus' didn't last long.



4587. Post 14952847 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.50h):

Quote from: Paashaas on May 24, 2016, 02:41:54 PM
The more i read about Rootstock smart-contracts, the more i realize that ETH days are numbered. Those guys at Rootstock labs will making a next generation improved version of smart-contracts that be realesed around the end of this year and will smash ETH into the ground.

Remember this; everything that will be build on top of Bitcoins Blockchain will crush all competitors.

https://bitconnect.co/bitcoin-news/172/bitcoin-getting-smarter-smart-contracts-than-ethereum/

http://www.rootstock.io/

Burning hundreds of coal fired state subsidized MW's for next to useless calculations might be ok for parts of the financial sector, but for many others this might be seen as a PR problem.



4588. Post 14961667 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Blazin8888 on May 25, 2016, 05:16:20 AM
https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@kingjohal/lisk--dont-panic--stop-listening-to-fud

Did you miss the opportunity to dump at 0.003 yesterday?

BAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!



4589. Post 14961727 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):


Ok, you Bunch of Degenerates!!!

The CHOO CHOO is coming!!!

GET READY!!!!




BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!




4590. Post 14963236 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: DaRude on May 25, 2016, 10:00:39 AM
Small blockists are killing Bitcoin.

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Which fee should I use?

The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 40 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.
For the median transaction size of 226 bytes, this results in a fee of 9,040 satoshis (0.03$).


It's short-sighted.

What is important is not today but the future.

VC and price speculator think ahead and they don't like what they see.

Currently block space is perfectly inelastic, that's scary. In due time, this will cause a dramatic rise in fees and delays, and a decrease in demand. That's how the market deal with shortage: prices, delays and lowering of the demand.

Already see a shop in a communist country? Well the same will happen in Bitcoin.

The future is bleak. Everyone with an economic focused brain understand that. Meanwhile small blockists congratulated themselves because fees are low today.

What's important is to keep it as decentralized as possible without F'ing up. The true use case is still pretty low and adoption has slowed a bit. Segwit and 2mb fork are in the works, even if we have an explosive natural growth next few months worst case i'm willing to pay $0.06 for a transaction instead of $0.03 when the blocks get crowded
On what data relies your assumption that an increase in blocksize will decrease decentralization?

Why decentralization is more important than network survival?

Why do you think you will be able to defeat an economic shortage by paying more?

So much question that you won't be able too answer.

How about first you prove me that pushing that lever will NOT fuck things up? You know stuff that engineers do, and not, well, we can't conclusively prove to a 100% that it will blow up so fuck it lets try it and see what happens.

Silly whabit because if there's one thing everyone (except for you?) can agree on is that there is no survival without decentralization. This would be a horrifically ineffective paypal#2

Think i was able TO answer no?

To have decentralization you need to add enough value to the network to keep competitive forces alive. Right now BTC is one of the most centralized cryptos out there. The decision to go for Core instead of Classic was made in a small conference room in HK by a handful of people who clearly don't give a flying fudge about decentralization. Stagnation leads to centralization.



4591. Post 14963299 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on May 25, 2016, 09:56:25 AM
Small blockists are killing Bitcoin.

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Which fee should I use?

The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 40 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.
For the median transaction size of 226 bytes, this results in a fee of 9,040 satoshis (0.03$).


It's short-sighted.

What is important is not today but the future.

In the future there'll be more capacity to satisfy actual txs (not spammy near-zero cost txs). That much is a given.


Yeah... frequently there are these quasi abstract criticisms suggesting that core is not looking into the future enough... but really?Huh

You gotta walk before you run, and segwit seems to be the next best step, and there seems to be no real question that there will be timely scaling.. and yeah, if there were a real and actual emergency, some kind of actual blocksize limit could be implemented.  

The assertion of  emergency has been exaggerated.
"quasi abstract" Cheesy

Yes some people are thinking while other are just parroting what their superior in the engineering pecking order told them.

Gee lets see technological fuck up could be catastrophic on a $6B market, but sure lets rush it in to solve that non yet existing problem that may potentially come a bit sooner than expected through this explosive organic growth in next few months, and make everyone pay few cents more  
Technological fuck up?

2MB increase is safer than SegWit (way less complexities).

On the contrary an economic fuck up is looming. All small blockists are in deny regarding that's problem. The clock is ticking but no need to panick, it's already too late.

Yup, I'm expecting a purely speculation driven pump soon. If Segwit and LN isn't ready by the time that bubble bursts I fear Bitcoin will lose its place in crypto. I hope these small block retards haven't diversified by then. But it looks like most of them are Monero shills anyhow.



4592. Post 14963317 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 25, 2016, 10:12:37 AM
Small blockists are killing Bitcoin.

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Which fee should I use?

The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 40 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.
For the median transaction size of 226 bytes, this results in a fee of 9,040 satoshis (0.03$).


It's short-sighted.

What is important is not today but the future.

VC and price speculator think ahead and they don't like what they see.

Currently block space is perfectly inelastic, that's scary. In due time, this will cause a dramatic rise in fees and delays, and a decrease in demand. That's how the market deal with shortage: prices, delays and lowering of the demand.

Already see a shop in a communist country? Well the same will happen in Bitcoin.

The future is bleak. Everyone with an economic focused brain understand that. Meanwhile small blockists congratulated themselves because fees are low today.

What's important is to keep it as decentralized as possible without F'ing up. The true use case is still pretty low and adoption has slowed a bit. Segwit and 2mb fork are in the works, even if we have an explosive natural growth next few months worst case i'm willing to pay $0.06 for a transaction instead of $0.03 when the blocks get crowded
On what data relies your assumption that an increase in blocksize will decrease decentralization?

Why decentralization is more important than network survival?

Why do you think you will be able to defeat an economic shortage by paying more?

So much question that you won't be able too answer.

How about first you prove me that pushing that lever will NOT fuck things up? You know stuff that engineers do, and not, well, we can't conclusively prove to a 100% that it will blow up so fuck it lets try it and see what happens.

Silly whabit because if there's one thing everyone (except for you?) can agree on is that there is no survival without decentralization. This would be a horrifically ineffective paypal#2

Think i was able TO answer no?

To have decentralization you need to add enough value to the network to keep competitive forces alive. Right now BTC is one of the most centralized cryptos out there. The decision to go for Core instead of Classic was made in a small conference room in HK by a handful of people who clearly don't give a flying fudge about decentralization. Stagnation leads to centralization.

Yes. Let's just argue that Black is white.   Shocked     Cry

I neither expressed surprise at this resolution nor attempted to dissuade her from it. "The vocation will fit you to a hair," I thought: "much good may it do you!"

When we parted, she said: "Good-bye, cousin Jane Eyre; I wish you well: you have some sense."

I then returned: "You are not without sense, cousin Eliza; but what you have, I suppose, in another year will be walled up alive in a French convent. However, it is not my business, and so it suits you, I don't much care."

"You are in the right," said she; and with these words we each went our separate way. As I shall not have occasion to refer either to her or her sister again, I may as well mention here, that Georgiana made an advantageous match with a wealthy worn-out man of fashion, and that Eliza actually took the veil, and is at this day superior of the convent where she passed the period of her novitiate, and which she endowed with her fortune.

How people feel when they are returning home from an absence, long or short, I did not know: I had never experienced the sensation. I had known what it was to come back to Gateshead when a child after a long walk, to be scolded for looking cold or gloomy; and later, what it was to come back from church to Lowood, to long for a plenteous meal and a good fire, and to be unable to get either. Neither of these returnings was very pleasant or desirable: no magnet drew me to a given point, increasing in its strength of attraction the nearer I came. The return to Thornfield was yet to be tried.

My journey seemed tedious--very tedious: fifty miles one day, a night spent at an inn; fifty miles the next day. During the first twelve hours I thought of Mrs. Reed in her last moments; I saw her disfigured and discoloured face, and heard her strangely altered voice. I mused on the funeral day, the coffin, the hearse, the black train of tenants and servants--few was the number of relatives--the gaping vault, the silent church, the solemn service. Then I thought of Eliza and Georgiana; I beheld one the cynosure of a ball-room, the other the inmate of a convent cell; and I dwelt on and analysed their separate peculiarities of person and character. The evening arrival at the great town of--scattered these thoughts; night gave them quite another turn: laid down on my traveller's bed, I left reminiscence for anticipation.

I was going back to Thornfield: but how long was I to stay there? Not long; of that I was sure. I had heard from Mrs. Fairfax in the interim of my absence: the party at the hall was dispersed; Mr. Rochester had left for London three weeks ago, but he was then expected to return in a fortnight. Mrs. Fairfax surmised that he was gone to make arrangements for his wedding, as he had talked of purchasing a new carriage: she said the idea of his marrying Miss Ingram still seemed strange to her; but from what everybody said, and from what she had herself seen, she could no longer doubt that the event would shortly take place. "You would be strangely incredulous if you did doubt it," was my mental comment. "I don't doubt it."



4593. Post 14963426 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 25, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
Small blockists are killing Bitcoin.

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Which fee should I use?

The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 40 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.
For the median transaction size of 226 bytes, this results in a fee of 9,040 satoshis (0.03$).


It's short-sighted.

What is important is not today but the future.

VC and price speculator think ahead and they don't like what they see.

Currently block space is perfectly inelastic, that's scary. In due time, this will cause a dramatic rise in fees and delays, and a decrease in demand. That's how the market deal with shortage: prices, delays and lowering of the demand.

Already see a shop in a communist country? Well the same will happen in Bitcoin.

The future is bleak. Everyone with an economic focused brain understand that. Meanwhile small blockists congratulated themselves because fees are low today.

What's important is to keep it as decentralized as possible without F'ing up. The true use case is still pretty low and adoption has slowed a bit. Segwit and 2mb fork are in the works, even if we have an explosive natural growth next few months worst case i'm willing to pay $0.06 for a transaction instead of $0.03 when the blocks get crowded
On what data relies your assumption that an increase in blocksize will decrease decentralization?

Why decentralization is more important than network survival?

Why do you think you will be able to defeat an economic shortage by paying more?

So much question that you won't be able too answer.

How about first you prove me that pushing that lever will NOT fuck things up? You know stuff that engineers do, and not, well, we can't conclusively prove to a 100% that it will blow up so fuck it lets try it and see what happens.

Silly whabit because if there's one thing everyone (except for you?) can agree on is that there is no survival without decentralization. This would be a horrifically ineffective paypal#2

Think i was able TO answer no?

To have decentralization you need to add enough value to the network to keep competitive forces alive. Right now BTC is one of the most centralized cryptos out there. The decision to go for Core instead of Classic was made in a small conference room in HK by a handful of people who clearly don't give a flying fudge about decentralization. Stagnation leads to centralization.

Yes. Let's just argue that Black is white.   Shocked     Cry

I neither expressed surprise at this resolution nor attempted to dissuade her from it. "The vocation will fit you to a hair," I thought: "much good may it do you!"

When we parted, she said: "Good-bye, cousin Jane Eyre; I wish you well: you have some sense."

I then returned: "You are not without sense, cousin Eliza; but what you have, I suppose, in another year will be walled up alive in a French convent. However, it is not my business, and so it suits you, I don't much care."

"You are in the right," said she; and with these words we each went our separate way. As I shall not have occasion to refer either to her or her sister again, I may as well mention here, that Georgiana made an advantageous match with a wealthy worn-out man of fashion, and that Eliza actually took the veil, and is at this day superior of the convent where she passed the period of her novitiate, and which she endowed with her fortune.

How people feel when they are returning home from an absence, long or short, I did not know: I had never experienced the sensation. I had known what it was to come back to Gateshead when a child after a long walk, to be scolded for looking cold or gloomy; and later, what it was to come back from church to Lowood, to long for a plenteous meal and a good fire, and to be unable to get either. Neither of these returnings was very pleasant or desirable: no magnet drew me to a given point, increasing in its strength of attraction the nearer I came. The return to Thornfield was yet to be tried.

My journey seemed tedious--very tedious: fifty miles one day, a night spent at an inn; fifty miles the next day. During the first twelve hours I thought of Mrs. Reed in her last moments; I saw her disfigured and discoloured face, and heard her strangely altered voice. I mused on the funeral day, the coffin, the hearse, the black train of tenants and servants--few was the number of relatives--the gaping vault, the silent church, the solemn service. Then I thought of Eliza and Georgiana; I beheld one the cynosure of a ball-room, the other the inmate of a convent cell; and I dwelt on and analysed their separate peculiarities of person and character. The evening arrival at the great town of--scattered these thoughts; night gave them quite another turn: laid down on my traveller's bed, I left reminiscence for anticipation.

I was going back to Thornfield: but how long was I to stay there? Not long; of that I was sure. I had heard from Mrs. Fairfax in the interim of my absence: the party at the hall was dispersed; Mr. Rochester had left for London three weeks ago, but he was then expected to return in a fortnight. Mrs. Fairfax surmised that he was gone to make arrangements for his wedding, as he had talked of purchasing a new carriage: she said the idea of his marrying Miss Ingram still seemed strange to her; but from what everybody said, and from what she had herself seen, she could no longer doubt that the event would shortly take place. "You would be strangely incredulous if you did doubt it," was my mental comment. "I don't doubt it."

Yeah, very scholarly to cut and paste some non-sense, which could possibly make more sense than if you had chosen your own words to explain whatever it is that you want to say.

That's a bit harsh. I chose Jane Eyre specifically for you.



4594. Post 14969977 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: doc12 on May 25, 2016, 09:55:55 PM
So are there any recent news on the segwit update ? Will it be integrated into core next month ?

No news on this topic in the last weeks it seems.

Quote from: nioc on May 16, 2016, 02:01:18 PM

Yah, where's segwit?

I heard April so only 10.5 months to go. 



4595. Post 14982889 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):



In other news:










4596. Post 14982943 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 27, 2016, 01:00:17 AM
We there yet?


"Soon, Honey!"



4597. Post 14983038 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):




fuck

me

backwards

3100 YUAN!!!




4598. Post 14983070 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: yefi on May 27, 2016, 01:24:02 AM
Seems like the honey badger don't give a shit about scaling  Cool

BItmain fixed scaling



4599. Post 14989449 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):


LISK IS DROPPING LIKE A ROCK!!!!

DOWN 20%!!!!!

GTFO BLAZIN!!!!!



4600. Post 14991636 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: gijoes on May 27, 2016, 07:06:53 PM

Hopefully, they won't drag XBT Provider ETNs down with them. If this comes to pass, the loss of investor confidence in all future bitcoin-pegged assets may be devastating...

So far, they claim that all the ETN funds were fully hedged, but who knows: http://xbtprovider.com/lang_en/news

The entire KnC Group declares bankruptcy.



4601. Post 14992040 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: 600watt on May 27, 2016, 07:57:32 PM
Bye KnC. Guess you shoulda decentralized your operations to China.  Undecided

The West has a huge technological advantage in things like silicon design expertise and lithography in low nm, yet it is not using it.

On top of that, western businesses are bloated compared to how lean Chinese businesses do their work. "Let's open some fancy offices that cost a million bucks, hire 3-4 secretaries for eye candy paying them 100-150k, hire a PR firm another 200-400k, hire a legal firm or a bunch of lawyers for another half a million etc etc. For a westerner it might be "reasonable" to pay tens of thousands of dollars for ...rack mounts, for a chinese it makes way more sense to go to a local metal worker and tell him to make custom steel frames for pennies.

The Chinese laugh all the way to the bank with how suicidal the Western OPEX and CAPEX are.

not sure if you aimed your comment towards knc. i went to stockholm to check out the company when their offered their first mining hardware while everyone in the forums yelled SCAM. i run a business myself (not IT) for 20 years and i could see they were managing their business properly. so i became their first customer. sam cole is brilliant and a nice guy on top of it. i never understood all the hate. knc was at least trying to keep western companies in the race. and they did for some years. sad that it is not possible anymore.

The hate came with the Neptunes and Titans



4602. Post 14992084 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: 600watt on May 27, 2016, 08:01:41 PM


The hate came with the Neptunes and Titans

no, the hate started right the moment knc announced their first product. literally thousands of posts full of hate.

ah, that hate. that's just bitcoin



4603. Post 14993048 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Meuh6879 on May 27, 2016, 09:51:53 PM
?

That's what happens with a perfectly inelastic supply curve, prices go up, supply stays the same. I mean, I provided you a picture.

economy ... must serve the people.
economy MUST pay the worker, not the boss.

economy with inalienables rules is Bitcoin.



inalterables rules is the source of trust.
http://www.lafkon.net/tc/



"It can be phased in, like:

if (blocknumber > 115000)
    maxblocksize = largerlimit

It can start being in versions way ahead, so by the time it reaches that block number and goes into effect, the older versions that don't have it are already obsolete.

When we're near the cutoff block number, I can put an alert to old versions to make sure they know they have to upgrade."
- Craig Wright



4604. Post 14997255 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 28, 2016, 03:18:57 AM
JJG broke even. Finally. Huzzah! Smiley


You are misdescribing circumstances, and maybe you should give some of your own details.. because something seems missing from your comment..- even in a kind of patronizing respect.

In fact, at this time and this week, BTC is currently way too volatile (too much price action) for anyone to be "breaking even" in any kind of exact manner .. especially, not someone anywhere near my situation  - whether we are talking strictly about BTC holdings, or some other combination of funds that are being traded.

Now you are emulating dumbaztec.... and where did he go?


Go on BMB... give us some of your BTC buying/selling details?  do you own any BTC.. maybe .73BTC?  Do you own any alts, maybe a little ETH,... go on tell us?  have you been buying or selling cryptos or PMs in recent months? 

or are you like Stolfi, merely, participating herein for academic purposes..?.   something happened to Stolfi, too?   Cry Cry


Seems many of our bear troll shill fiends are disappearing, but I am sure that several of them will be back for our next correction in the $600s or maybe when we coming down into the $500s..

I got a giant sweaty wodge of coins from dealing in some pretty shady things on the darkweb. It's a sinister past and I'm not particularly proud of it. But I'm reformed. Smiley

Canadian shady dealings? What are we talking about? Rude jokes?



4605. Post 14998357 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

^



4606. Post 14998633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: finkelsteinMonster on May 28, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
^
[img width =200]http://www.sardegnarent.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MPM-TOMASZ_KAYAK_6-1024x768.jpg[/img]
[img ]http://s33.postimg.org/4wjsxqw7j/Capture.jpg[/img]
P.S. Imagine yourself in a 40-footer with twin RR Merlins, instead of that hippy contrivance?

apples and oranges



4607. Post 15002650 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: oda.krell on May 28, 2016, 03:49:23 PM
Right, I forgot. 'Over the top, almost comical expression of antisemitism' is something else one needs to be able to deal with on this forum.

I don't understand why there isn't a global policy of involuntary euthanasia for nazis. Seems like a no-brainer.



4608. Post 15002751 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):


Damn! Lambie is trolling those humour deficient germans to shits!

Short explanation: It's supposed to sound german while still being understandable for non-germans. It's made up with no pretense of being correct. Just do as lambchops said: check Google Translate. You're being über-trolled.



4609. Post 15002774 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 28, 2016, 07:58:29 PM
Right, I forgot. 'Over the top, almost comical expression of antisemitism' is something else one needs to be able to deal with on this forum.

I don't understand why there isn't a global policy of involuntary euthanasia for nazis. Seems like a no-brainer.

Sometimes I login and think I've gone to the Daily Stormer by mistake. I blame the moderators. If foaming at the mouth racist rants don't count as trolling, then fuck me sideways.

Nazis are handy when fighting middle aged well-meaning former lead maintainers who's trying to push the project forward.



4610. Post 15002889 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: dumbfbrankings on May 28, 2016, 08:07:32 PM
Right, I forgot. 'Over the top, almost comical expression of antisemitism' is something else one needs to be able to deal with on this forum.

I don't understand why there isn't a global policy of involuntary euthanasia for nazis. Seems like a no-brainer.

Sometimes I login and think I've gone to the Daily Stormer by mistake. I blame the moderators. If foaming at the mouth racist rants don't count as trolling, then fuck me sideways.

Nazis are handy when fighting middle aged well-meaning former lead maintainers who's trying to push the project forward.

Passionately hating Jews, or any/all non-Aryans doesn't automatically make you a Nazi. There's nuance here guise, Geez.

Meh, I'd be happy with that definition if the policy ever was instituted.



4611. Post 15003680 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: jbreher on May 28, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
I don't understand why there isn't a global policy of involuntary euthanasia for nazis. Seems like a no-brainer.

No-brainer only if performed via encephalectomy.

Excellent! So we have a definition from lambie, method of mercy from you... I'm excited!



4612. Post 15003732 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):




4613. Post 15007323 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 29, 2016, 02:07:33 AM
<-- what's this!  Grin

There's a thread somewhere in the meta section that reveals these little hidden gems. Wink

Here's an old one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228503.msg2406390#msg2406390

From a good friend of ours..

And first reply is from Eva Braun.

Only in Bitcoin.

Well, and Stormfront.



4614. Post 15013553 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: European Central Bank on May 29, 2016, 08:31:53 PM
People really think an eminent journalist from one of the world's most respected newspapers spends 23.8 hours a day on here posting about drugs and pedophiles? That's almost as freaking pathetic as the troll.

You're new here aren't you?

Welcome!




4615. Post 15013590 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 29, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
People really think an eminent journalist from one of the world's most respected newspapers spends 23.8 hours a day on here posting about drugs and pedophiles? That's almost as freaking pathetic as the troll.

You're new here aren't you?

Welcome!

Bitcoin speculation and attempted hate crimes is how this thread rolls. Cool

With Quality TA, like:

"WOW!!!"

"Look at it go!"

"Ouch!"



4616. Post 15014894 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: soullyG on May 29, 2016, 11:28:56 PM
That blockchain would fall apart  Cry



lol!

Quote from: Fakhoury on May 29, 2016, 11:36:01 PM
Why ?

They're only connected in one axis. They're actually just a bunch of sticks held together in a sort of fasces.

'Cause Bitcoin, I guess.

Go figure.



4617. Post 15020828 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: finkelsteinMonster on May 30, 2016, 11:30:24 AM
^
My guess is sideways today, plunge tonight/Tuesday. I've been hilariously wrong before tho, so there's that.

Hi there Beelzebub! Just wondering: how much have you stacked up by now? 10s? 100s? 1000s?



4618. Post 15062567 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Meuh6879 on June 02, 2016, 10:41:05 PM

Psst...  Segwit in April






Oh, man!

I really like your posts. Then I see one of your signature links is to a racist nutter.

WHY, BITCOIN??!? WHYYYYYY?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!(!)



4619. Post 15062703 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: ImI on June 02, 2016, 11:16:11 PM

Oh, man!

I really like your posts. Then I see one of your signature links is to a racist nutter.

WHY, BITCOIN??!? WHYYYYYY?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!(!)

it seems most french bitcoiners are basically racist. olivier jannsen is the most prominent example but you can also witness that here at BTT.

it seems in france only france nationale nutters seem interested in bitcoin. probably a result of france being one of the most socialist countries in europe.
 
edit: otoh le pen openly rejects bitcoin as a "tool of wallstreet"  Grin

"Olivier and iCEBREAKER, sitting in a tree, G-A-S-S-I-N-G."

Yeah, it's weird. Kind of sad that Bitcoin doesn't attract more run-of-the-mill french geeks.



4620. Post 15065337 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Andre# on June 03, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
The plan for a HF is officially off the table. HK agreement breached.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4ma3gh/whats_the_current_status_of_cores_2mb_hf/d3tto83

Popcorn time!

I might be reading this wrong, but it looks like segwit is going to be maxed out shortly after it's released. If it's released. And if it's adopted by miners and users.

When did 3.7mb turn into 2mb?



4621. Post 15065369 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: kehtolo on June 03, 2016, 07:29:34 AM
r/btc ??

Ok.. hard to tell what the FUD is going on in there.. so I avoid it. But wasn't the 'plan' or according to some 'announcement' that a HF would come NEXT YEAR i.e. 2017
And that HF was 1->2 MB max block size increase...

This was apparently agreed upon to be rolled out NEXT Year.. specifically around July time.. with the caveat 'if there is a demand/need for it'

It was generally agreed to roll out SEGWIT this year.. see how things go and move towards a HF next year.

At least that is how i remember the news coming out.

Too many people with agendas on r/btc and they have become used to taking entrenched positions.

Personally, I think it's too early to start pissing your pants about something that is officially still a year off.. a lot can happen in that time.
Such behaviour is typical of that place.

One person asked a question as to what is the current status of a HF. IMHO that's a shitty question when the world and it's dog knows it was scheduled for next year.
Then a bunch of fools answer, screaming like kids.. core this.. blah blah..  aren't you fucking sick of it?
They probably don'T even own a significant number of bitcoins. Just like flaming and causing trouble.


nullc is still nullc



4622. Post 15065434 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on June 03, 2016, 07:36:25 AM




Wanna know why big exchanges have been adding ETH....ETH is their hedge, giving customers a choice over fiat..smart move guys Wink
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4ma3gh/whats_the_current_status_of_cores_2mb_hf/d3tto83
Things are looking bad for the Bitz of coins   Tongue

Time to grab sum of that cheap ETH  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

this shitcoin will dying soon.

BTC will definitely leave it in the dust soon. That's when you pick up the cheap eth if you want some.



4623. Post 15065820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: becoin on June 03, 2016, 08:30:47 AM
dont worry about the big green BTC...its just me buyin  Tongue
Pumpy, you seem to be a bit nervous today.

He's hodling a big bag of soon to be very cheap eth.



4624. Post 15065938 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on June 03, 2016, 08:35:03 AM
dont worry about the big green BTC...its just me buyin  Tongue
Pumpy, you seem to be a bit nervous today.

He's hodling a big bag of soon to be very cheap eth.
lol, guys guys if u only knew what was happenin  Wink

I do. You're cock teasing to get a good price for your bag of swag.

Quite desperately, I might add.



4625. Post 15066105 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on June 03, 2016, 09:00:16 AM
btc dump incoming btw.... Tongue

Ok, so now you've provided something solid. Let's see if it pans out.

Edit: Aaaand he deleted his post. Will be interesting to see if he said too much or if he didn't want his crap called out.



4626. Post 15069740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BitUsher on June 03, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
Revolt against Bitmain? LOL. Right, who else is producing mining hardware these days? Remind me? Spoondolies? KNC? Hmmmmmm?

1) 21

2) Bitfury
3) Avalon [pffff... go ahead, try to compete with Bitmain with Avalon gear]

OR

AMD/ATI
NVIDIA

If we needed to. It would certainly solve many of our problems by switching algo's and better to do it now than later.

Ok, so you and Luke will, to quote "HDbuck & The Nasty Bunch", "fork off"? Good riddance!




4627. Post 15071321 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: BitUsher on June 03, 2016, 05:19:54 PM
mass trading is all done in exchanges. makes very little difference to the size of blocks i'm imagining.

Yes, this was exactly my point many months ago. The fullblockapocalypse won't happen because many off the chain solutions exist to buffer excess capacity and new users use these offchain solutions primarily (coinbase/circle/bitpay/changetip/ect..) and speculators primarily use off the chain exchange txs .

In other words the fee market will never be in the danger of blowing up uncontrollably like those fear mongering the fullblockapocalypse because the fee market always has to compete with free txs.

Decentralization in the eyes of a deranged mind: "coinbase/circle/bitpay/changetip/ect.."

Some anarchist....



4628. Post 15071623 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Assmaster2000 on June 03, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
^What is a lagging indicator?

lagging indicator or not, every time the google trend chart peaked like this, the price also went to an ATH.

thus it's reasonable to assume we will see a new ATH.

1. Flying saucer lands in Central Park.
2. Google Trends "flying saucer" through the roof.
3. ? ? ?
4. If you want to know next time Martians are coming to Central Park, watch Google Trends.

If you're seriously hungover it might sort of work.



4629. Post 15076349 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):



Quite the contender for the Bitcoin Hymn.



4630. Post 15077759 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!



BAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!


BTC





4631. Post 15079468 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: Elwar on June 04, 2016, 12:22:05 PM
W00t!


Oh Yeah!



SOONTM



4632. Post 15080350 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: TReano on June 04, 2016, 01:57:41 PM
I just revisited the Wall Observer...


Wtf happened, it's full of troll and shitposts lol

"Come gather ’round people
 Wherever you roam
 And admit that the waters
 Around you have grown
 And accept it that soon
 You’ll be drenched to the bone
 If your time to you is worth savin’
 Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
 For the times they are a-changin’ "



4633. Post 15080677 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.51h):

Quote from: aztecminer on June 04, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
welp.. i am finally in the green! woot! see all i gotta do is talk trash and throw up some buys .. wait...and wala.. like magic.. in the profits.. woot!

Actually, the price only seems to rise when you're awol.

That's not an advice, just an observation.



4634. Post 15083802 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: TERA on June 04, 2016, 09:47:46 PM
Quick question: What if the moon is on the opposite side of the planet from your current position? Does that mean that if something goes to the moon, it actually goes down?



Not really:



Edit: Fudge! Porkchops beat me to it!



4635. Post 15083838 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):


http://www.afr.com/technology/bitcoin-available-over-the-counter-at-a-newsagency-near-you-20160526-gp52ka



4636. Post 15083898 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: Assmaster2000 on June 04, 2016, 10:07:54 PM
Edit: Fudge! Porkchops beat me to it!
I win. Again!




Quote from: TERA on June 04, 2016, 10:11:44 PM
This seems to assume that you are travelling to the moon via rocket and not some other means, such as a train, or simply referring to your orientation.

Wut? There's no down in space.

Edit: Besides, if we were going down you wouldn't be here. I even expect to see nanobrain around the $800 mark.



4637. Post 15087427 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: Fatman3001 on June 03, 2016, 09:01:46 AM
btc dump incoming btw.... Tongue

Ok, so now you've provided something solid. Let's see if it pans out.

Edit: Aaaand he deleted his post. Will be interesting to see if he said too much or if he didn't want his crap called out.

I guess the conclusion is clear: Mrpumperitis is full of it.



4638. Post 15091378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):



Nice trollfest! Woooohooo!!!!



4639. Post 15098022 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):



Wtf...


So, porkchops, roach and solitude are all Adams sick joke on the world.

srzly: http://www.mentalhealthhelpline.ca/



4640. Post 15098324 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: MAGA on June 06, 2016, 07:09:23 AM


Wtf...


So, porkchops, roach and solitude are all Adams sick joke on the world.

srzly: http://www.mentalhealthhelpline.ca/

What the fuck are you on about, man?

roach is a broken record but he's still pretty based.

I'd rather have a broken record telling me the truth then some faggot shilling an altcoin or some cocksucker who's getting paid by a jewish banker to tell me lies.

Either way, this forum is still pretty cancerous.

I'm going to buy this forum in the future and kick out all the cancer.

I could probably buy it now, but hey, gotta have patience right.

Sure, porky. Go back to your gay granddad porn.



4641. Post 15103140 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: Assmaster2000 on June 06, 2016, 02:53:56 PM
How is it they got human females? Angry

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-co-founder-dao/

it's a mystery



4642. Post 15104518 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: Elwar on June 06, 2016, 05:51:33 PM
Sold my house this week. My mortgage was the last thing requiring me to have a bank account. Last mont my landlord started taking bitcoins for rent. He is happy.

Now to get all of that equity into bitcoins quickly.

Elwar, you crazy!




4643. Post 15113568 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BitUsher on June 07, 2016, 02:42:33 AM
So anyhow, even if the persons involved in the agreement were sufficient agents to bind action, the action does not bind any kind of specific outcome beyond intending to take reasonable measures to figure out consensus in respect to whether a hardfork may be practical after some testing and release of seg wit.

Nope , it binds the developers that signed to deliver a tested HF proposal to the miners by July, but makes no promises that it will be accepted by core, other developers, or the community.

Luke can literally change a few lines of code , hand that to them , and that would satisfy the deal.

Do I think this will happen? No. I believe that luke may be trying to include some HF wishlist items as well, and thus why he feels pressure, but who knows?  

And if they don't agree with that interpretation they can shift all their hashing power to Classic. You can do this "Legally Blonde" act as long as you want, but there are actual consequences to this agreement that some in Core might want to keep in mind. At the very least, new talks should be had instead of all this mudslinging across the interwebs. I and Marcus can do the mudslinging. That should be enough.



4644. Post 15119379 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: tomothy on June 07, 2016, 09:21:28 PM
Hey Jimbo, think this recent correction was it and we will break $600 this weekend or maybe some further downtrend. In other news, Bruce Fenton is allegedly resigning from Bitcoin Foundation. Not sure what that means for the foundation, but probably not the best news in the world. 

He's just the last person on the planet to be told that the foundation is dead. I don't see how this can/should affect the price. The Foundation doesn't have any of the personal or economic resources to carry out its function. Hasn't had for quite some time. I'm not sure what he thought he was going to resurrect.



4645. Post 15149574 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 10, 2016, 03:27:18 AM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?



4646. Post 15152830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 10, 2016, 12:18:35 PM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


Fatty, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
   
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.



Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here *crying* in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard!




4647. Post 15157413 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 10, 2016, 03:49:03 PM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


Fatty, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
   
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.



Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here *crying* in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard!



I'd show you but I'm too old; I'm too tired; I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to this place!

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
Mother motherfuck
Mother motherfuck fuck
Motherfuck motherfuck
Noise, noise, noise
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4
Noise, noise noise
Shmokin'Weed shmoking wizz
Doin' coke, drinkin' beers
Drinkin' beers, beers, beers
Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts!



4648. Post 15160689 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 11, 2016, 04:14:42 AM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


Fatty, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
   
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.



Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here *crying* in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard!



I'd show you but I'm too old; I'm too tired; I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to this place!

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
Mother motherfuck
Mother motherfuck fuck
Motherfuck motherfuck
Noise, noise, noise
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4
Noise, noise noise
Shmokin'Weed shmoking wizz
Doin' coke, drinkin' beers
Drinkin' beers, beers, beers
Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts!

Dave's not here.
No, man, I'm Dave, man.
Hey, c'mon, man.
Who is it?
It's Dave, man, will you open up? I got the stuff with me.

Who?
Dave, man, open up.
Dave?
Ya, Dave.
Dave's not here.

No, man, I am Dave, man, will you?
C'mon, open up the door, will you?
I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.
Who is it?
Oh, what the hell is it c'mon open up the door, it's Dave.

Who?
Dave, D A V E, will you open up the goddamn door.
Dave?
Ya, Dave...

Dave?


You went out six hours ago to buy a money counter and you come back with a semi-conscious Gloria and a bag of fertilizer. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

We need fertilizer Winston.

Mmmhmm. We also need a money counter. This money's got to be out by Thursday, I'm buggered if I'm gonna count it. Just make sure if you do need to buy sodding fertilizer you could be a bit more subtle.

What do you mean?

We grow copious amounts of ganja, yah? And you're carrying a wasted girl and a bag of fertilizer. You don't look like your average horti-fucking- culturalist! That's what I mean Willie.



4649. Post 15162258 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 11, 2016, 10:29:58 AM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


Fatty, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
   
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.



Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here *crying* in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard!



I'd show you but I'm too old; I'm too tired; I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to this place!

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
Mother motherfuck
Mother motherfuck fuck
Motherfuck motherfuck
Noise, noise, noise
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4
Noise, noise noise
Shmokin'Weed shmoking wizz
Doin' coke, drinkin' beers
Drinkin' beers, beers, beers
Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts!

Dave's not here.
No, man, I'm Dave, man.
Hey, c'mon, man.
Who is it?
It's Dave, man, will you open up? I got the stuff with me.

Who?
Dave, man, open up.
Dave?
Ya, Dave.
Dave's not here.

No, man, I am Dave, man, will you?
C'mon, open up the door, will you?
I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.
Who is it?
Oh, what the hell is it c'mon open up the door, it's Dave.

Who?
Dave, D A V E, will you open up the goddamn door.
Dave?
Ya, Dave...

Dave?


You went out six hours ago to buy a money counter and you come back with a semi-conscious Gloria and a bag of fertilizer. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

We need fertilizer Winston.

Mmmhmm. We also need a money counter. This money's got to be out by Thursday, I'm buggered if I'm gonna count it. Just make sure if you do need to buy sodding fertilizer you could be a bit more subtle.

What do you mean?

We grow copious amounts of ganja, yah? And you're carrying a wasted girl and a bag of fertilizer. You don't look like your average horti-fucking- culturalist! That's what I mean Willie.

Winston Smith [voice-over]: It was three years ago, on a dark evening. Easy to slip past the patrols, and I'd gone into the proletarian areas. There was no one else on the street, and no telescreens. She said, "Two dollars," so I went with her. She had a young face, painted very thick. It was really the paint that appealed to me: white like a mask, and bright red lips. There were no preliminaries. Standing there with the smell of dead insects and cheap perfume, I went and did it just the same.

Ugh. All day long I felt like white open-toed shoes after Labor Day.



4650. Post 15166529 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 11, 2016, 03:16:11 PM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


Fatty, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
   
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.



Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here *crying* in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard!



I'd show you but I'm too old; I'm too tired; I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to this place!

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
Mother motherfuck
Mother motherfuck fuck
Motherfuck motherfuck
Noise, noise, noise
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4
Noise, noise noise
Shmokin'Weed shmoking wizz
Doin' coke, drinkin' beers
Drinkin' beers, beers, beers
Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts!

Dave's not here.
No, man, I'm Dave, man.
Hey, c'mon, man.
Who is it?
It's Dave, man, will you open up? I got the stuff with me.

Who?
Dave, man, open up.
Dave?
Ya, Dave.
Dave's not here.

No, man, I am Dave, man, will you?
C'mon, open up the door, will you?
I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.
Who is it?
Oh, what the hell is it c'mon open up the door, it's Dave.

Who?
Dave, D A V E, will you open up the goddamn door.
Dave?
Ya, Dave...

Dave?


You went out six hours ago to buy a money counter and you come back with a semi-conscious Gloria and a bag of fertilizer. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

We need fertilizer Winston.

Mmmhmm. We also need a money counter. This money's got to be out by Thursday, I'm buggered if I'm gonna count it. Just make sure if you do need to buy sodding fertilizer you could be a bit more subtle.

What do you mean?

We grow copious amounts of ganja, yah? And you're carrying a wasted girl and a bag of fertilizer. You don't look like your average horti-fucking- culturalist! That's what I mean Willie.

Winston Smith [voice-over]: It was three years ago, on a dark evening. Easy to slip past the patrols, and I'd gone into the proletarian areas. There was no one else on the street, and no telescreens. She said, "Two dollars," so I went with her. She had a young face, painted very thick. It was really the paint that appealed to me: white like a mask, and bright red lips. There were no preliminaries. Standing there with the smell of dead insects and cheap perfume, I went and did it just the same.

Ugh. All day long I felt like white open-toed shoes after Labor Day.

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year-old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy.

All I know is this: nobody's very big in the first place, and it looks to me like everybody spends their whole life tearing everybody else down.



4651. Post 15170611 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 11, 2016, 11:22:15 PM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


Fatty, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
   
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.



Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here *crying* in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard!



I'd show you but I'm too old; I'm too tired; I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to this place!

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
Mother motherfuck
Mother motherfuck fuck
Motherfuck motherfuck
Noise, noise, noise
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4
Noise, noise noise
Shmokin'Weed shmoking wizz
Doin' coke, drinkin' beers
Drinkin' beers, beers, beers
Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts!

Dave's not here.
No, man, I'm Dave, man.
Hey, c'mon, man.
Who is it?
It's Dave, man, will you open up? I got the stuff with me.

Who?
Dave, man, open up.
Dave?
Ya, Dave.
Dave's not here.

No, man, I am Dave, man, will you?
C'mon, open up the door, will you?
I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.
Who is it?
Oh, what the hell is it c'mon open up the door, it's Dave.

Who?
Dave, D A V E, will you open up the goddamn door.
Dave?
Ya, Dave...

Dave?


You went out six hours ago to buy a money counter and you come back with a semi-conscious Gloria and a bag of fertilizer. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

We need fertilizer Winston.

Mmmhmm. We also need a money counter. This money's got to be out by Thursday, I'm buggered if I'm gonna count it. Just make sure if you do need to buy sodding fertilizer you could be a bit more subtle.

What do you mean?

We grow copious amounts of ganja, yah? And you're carrying a wasted girl and a bag of fertilizer. You don't look like your average horti-fucking- culturalist! That's what I mean Willie.

Winston Smith [voice-over]: It was three years ago, on a dark evening. Easy to slip past the patrols, and I'd gone into the proletarian areas. There was no one else on the street, and no telescreens. She said, "Two dollars," so I went with her. She had a young face, painted very thick. It was really the paint that appealed to me: white like a mask, and bright red lips. There were no preliminaries. Standing there with the smell of dead insects and cheap perfume, I went and did it just the same.

Ugh. All day long I felt like white open-toed shoes after Labor Day.

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year-old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy.

All I know is this: nobody's very big in the first place, and it looks to me like everybody spends their whole life tearing everybody else down.


General: Well, of course, warfare isn't all fun. Right — stop that! It's all very well to laugh at the military but when one considers the meaning of life it is a struggle between alternative viewpoints of life itself and without the ability to defend one's own viewpoint against other perhaps more aggressive ideologies then reasonableness and moderation could, quite simply, disappear. That is why we'll always need an army, and may God strike me down were it to be otherwise.
[A lightning bolt destroys the general. Cut to outside, where the Hand of God rises into the clouds. Outside, a Sergeant Major stands before his troops.]    
Sergeant Major: Don't stand there gobbing! Like you've never seen the Hand o' God before!

'The German Guns'

Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom



4652. Post 15170700 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on June 11, 2016, 11:39:47 PM
train picsssss



4653. Post 15170746 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 12, 2016, 04:23:54 AM
Do you read the bible, Brett? Well there's this passage I got memorized, sort of fits the occasion.

Yah! You've got to ask yourself one question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?


Fatty, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.
   
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.



Shut up! I won't have a yellow bastard sitting here *crying* in front of these brave men who have been wounded in battle!

You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going up to the fighting. Either that, or I'm going to stand you up in front of a firing squad. I ought to shoot you myself, you god-damned... bastard!



I'd show you but I'm too old; I'm too tired; I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to this place!

Fuck, fuck, fuck,
Mother motherfuck
Mother motherfuck fuck
Motherfuck motherfuck
Noise, noise, noise
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4
Noise, noise noise
Shmokin'Weed shmoking wizz
Doin' coke, drinkin' beers
Drinkin' beers, beers, beers
Rollin' fatties, smokin' blunts
Who smokes the blunts?
We smoke the blunts!

Dave's not here.
No, man, I'm Dave, man.
Hey, c'mon, man.
Who is it?
It's Dave, man, will you open up? I got the stuff with me.

Who?
Dave, man, open up.
Dave?
Ya, Dave.
Dave's not here.

No, man, I am Dave, man, will you?
C'mon, open up the door, will you?
I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.
Who is it?
Oh, what the hell is it c'mon open up the door, it's Dave.

Who?
Dave, D A V E, will you open up the goddamn door.
Dave?
Ya, Dave...

Dave?


You went out six hours ago to buy a money counter and you come back with a semi-conscious Gloria and a bag of fertilizer. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

We need fertilizer Winston.

Mmmhmm. We also need a money counter. This money's got to be out by Thursday, I'm buggered if I'm gonna count it. Just make sure if you do need to buy sodding fertilizer you could be a bit more subtle.

What do you mean?

We grow copious amounts of ganja, yah? And you're carrying a wasted girl and a bag of fertilizer. You don't look like your average horti-fucking- culturalist! That's what I mean Willie.

Winston Smith [voice-over]: It was three years ago, on a dark evening. Easy to slip past the patrols, and I'd gone into the proletarian areas. There was no one else on the street, and no telescreens. She said, "Two dollars," so I went with her. She had a young face, painted very thick. It was really the paint that appealed to me: white like a mask, and bright red lips. There were no preliminaries. Standing there with the smell of dead insects and cheap perfume, I went and did it just the same.

Ugh. All day long I felt like white open-toed shoes after Labor Day.

My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year-old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy.

All I know is this: nobody's very big in the first place, and it looks to me like everybody spends their whole life tearing everybody else down.


General: Well, of course, warfare isn't all fun. Right — stop that! It's all very well to laugh at the military but when one considers the meaning of life it is a struggle between alternative viewpoints of life itself and without the ability to defend one's own viewpoint against other perhaps more aggressive ideologies then reasonableness and moderation could, quite simply, disappear. That is why we'll always need an army, and may God strike me down were it to be otherwise.
[A lightning bolt destroys the general. Cut to outside, where the Hand of God rises into the clouds. Outside, a Sergeant Major stands before his troops.]    
Sergeant Major: Don't stand there gobbing! Like you've never seen the Hand o' God before!

'The German Guns'

Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom

Auftragen, rechte Hand. Polieren, linke Hand. Auftragen, polieren. Einatmen durch Nase, ausatmen durch Mund. Auftragen, polieren.
-Herr Miyagi

Hier wird der Schlussstrich gezogen! Bis hierher und nicht weiter!



4654. Post 15172815 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: jbreher on June 12, 2016, 07:19:49 AM
Is zerohedge just making shit up [?]

general remark: duh



4655. Post 15173674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):




4656. Post 15173707 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on June 12, 2016, 10:21:03 AM
It's wild...  !640$

10.03 billion market cap!

$660 in China



4657. Post 15173886 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on June 12, 2016, 10:33:41 AM
It's wild...  !640$

10.03 billion market cap!

$660 in China

... I know, I see the Huobi moves too ... even if I think China will jump straight to 5000+ because they don't like "4" ... LOL!

But yeah... on the West side of things it is cheaper! And if their government devalues ... they will all rush to make it 10.000 or 20.000 Yuan!

Most of the movers in the chinese exchanges are non-chinese. They don't give a [expletive deleted] about the number 4.



4658. Post 15177920 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: ImI on June 12, 2016, 03:50:34 PM

Worldwide banking crash must be imminent.

Public about to get disarmed following that Orlando thing I imagine. Troops on the street.



lol nobody is about to get disarmed

but the US may very well stop all muslim immigration into the country

Looks like Trump will be President



4659. Post 15196146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.52h):

Quote from: dumbfbrankings on June 13, 2016, 07:59:54 PM
Why is ETH rallying for the BTC halvening?  Huh

Shouldn't premined scam coin be going down while we moon?

Also, you can currently exit BTC at a higher price than NLC did. Will you?


But do I have more coins than NLC did?

Come on, Beelzebub! Spill yer beans!



4660. Post 15235740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.53h):

Quote from: Elwar on June 16, 2016, 01:07:32 PM

> sovereign and corporate and private debt levels are sane
You don't understand what debt is. It's not a bad thing you imagine it to be.
If you owe me money, for instance, I'd be much less likely to rob or kill you. Because then you'll never pay me back.

So following the same logic, if you loan me money, I am more likely to kill you because then I won't have to pay you back?  

It's true. You're also more likely to make me poorer, by simply not paying me back.
That's why lenders do risk assessment and charge appropriate interest. And why jackbooted thugs are retained by both parties, to make such killings unprofitable (albeit less unprofitable for the borrower).
I'm surprised you haven't thought of this yourself Smiley

>That's all the US has left at this point
Might have something else left, Elwar. Hint: you work for them Smiley

As I said "don't produce anything except for war and debt". Though they both tend to go hand in hand.

So stop fueling the war machine, Elmo. Stop working for the US military, stop colluding with those jackbooted mofos. Why does this even need to be said?

Stop giving the idiots in Congress money. I can't help if those idiots want to give me a lot of money to make American voters feel "safe".

I've stopped paying taxes. That does more to stop the war machine than me opening up a slot for someone else to fill.

He's not giving them money. They take it, and give it to you. And you're ok with this.

Let's play Jeopardy!

the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel



4661. Post 15249325 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.53h):


Nuclear War in crypto

Bitcoin unaffected



4662. Post 15264235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.53h):


where choo choo at?

i wanna buy a boat!



4663. Post 15306723 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):


Silk Road was better, these tweets are boring



4664. Post 15322894 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

@bitusher

Ok, so Segwit will happen now, I guess(?). How will decentralization and security be maintained within LN? Is there agreement on this?



4665. Post 15323673 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BitUsher on June 22, 2016, 06:10:33 PM
@bitusher

Ok, so Segwit will happen now, I guess(?). How will decentralization and security be maintained within LN? Is there agreement on this?

The idea is to have multiple - interoperable versions of the LN(separate teams of devs and separate repositories) like their are already and for these nodes to be cheap and easy to maintain like mining btc was back in the cpu days to insure decentralization. The cherry ontop is when we can incorporate tx fee sharing between the nodes and miner to incentivize full nodes.

Ok, thx for the reply. But I seem to remember there was something about nodes being able to reject your tx. Will you be able to connect to a different node instantly or will the tx get stuck in the channel? Basically, if you're maybe not the most popular dude or dudette, is it safe to use LN or would you have to do a tx on the main network? And if tx fees on the Bitcoin network are priced for LN settlements, would that be feasible? The eth hack incident got my tin foil hat vibrating a bit.



4666. Post 15325925 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):




4667. Post 15325939 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 22, 2016, 10:45:53 PM
Bitcoin is NOT a joke.

It sure is funny though



4668. Post 15331674 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):


I'm telling you. This rally is over. Dread Pirate Roberts messed up big time. This will not end well.



4669. Post 15350104 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: Karartma1 on June 24, 2016, 07:47:54 AM

I'm telling you. This rally is over. Dread Pirate Roberts messed up big time. This will not end well.

I'm telling you the rally is up and running again!  Grin
No need to worry when you have to deal with the old good bitcoin

Nobody got the joke

I'm too old for this shit...



4670. Post 15350250 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 24, 2016, 06:12:47 PM
>in my own country
Which country's that?

How much are you willing to pay?

Why would I pay to learn which depressing third-world ghetto you live in?

You seen much America Huh  30 minutes from Detroit they don’t even have clean water.

Yah, but that's Canada



4671. Post 15354951 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BitUsher on June 25, 2016, 02:54:36 AM
Right, so since we're on topic how many gun related deaths happen in US and how many in France?  

You cannot compare the two , too many differences.
I do agree though, that higher amounts of guns = higher amounts of gun violence generally.(although I hate how they lump all those gun suicides in with gun murders to mislead you.)  

Welcome to the age of the intelligence of evil. I'm all for working on lowering gun murders , but suggest we first focus on those doing the most murdering first, than we can talk about lowering the arms in the nonviolent "common man"

Bitcoin slightly weakens those institutions which murder and torture the most so this is one way we are helping.

Oh yes, let us peer into the abyss that is Bitusher. Who are these people and what needs to be done to them?



4672. Post 15451723 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):



TIMBER!!!



4673. Post 15456825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: giggidy23 on July 03, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
Crosspost. Because explains our current price predicament Sad

Bitcoin Plunges In Value As Hackers Spook Market

The unpredictable progress of Bitcoin hit another downward spiral as more crooked dealings were revealed.

Bitcoin hit a two-year high of around $775 just a few days ago and then plunged by 25% after a major exchange went offline after an attack by hackers....

http://www.moneyinternational.com/currency/bitcoin-plunges-value-hackers-spook-market/

Yeez, porkchops... have you been feeding journalists with bad info..... have you taken trolling to the next level?

Surely that journalist can't be this stupid.



4674. Post 15484090 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BitUsher on July 05, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
@ -09:07 Roger Ver thinks it takes at least another year, and likely many years, before LN is ready on mainnet.
http://www.alexfortin.com/rogerver/

Roger Ver of "Mt.Gox is fine" fame.

A year may be accurate . Expectations are 3rd Q this year from devs , but in reality there will likely be delays as they need to wait for segwit to activate and than test on testnet. But it is hard to say Because segwit has been on the main bitcoin testnet for over 1 month and i know of many developers testing LN right now as we speak so in reality we could see some early implementations this year.


Maybe it would be a good idea to start testing 2/4/8mb blocks in the meantime.



4675. Post 15484539 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 06, 2016, 03:37:17 AM
Even if we get some code for a hard fork this year, what happens when the miners want to run with it, but the nodes won't budge? (Again.) Is that just the mechanism doin' it's thing?

They could just copy/paste some classic code or bitpays adaptive block size today and have it running by tomorrow. And if they do this in secret you'll have a Dr. Merkwürdigliebe scenario.

What I worry about is if a safe LN is 2-4 years away. And we're too hung up about who said what to actually allow the 1MB cap to be safely lifted in the meantime.



4676. Post 15484631 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 06, 2016, 03:55:30 AM
Even if we get some code for a hard fork this year, what happens when the miners want to run with it, but the nodes won't budge? (Again.) Is that just the mechanism doin' it's thing?

They could just copy/paste some classic code or bitpays adaptive block size today and have it running by tomorrow. And if they do this in secret you'll have a Dr. Merkwürdigliebe scenario.

What I worry about is if a safe LN is 2-4 years away. And we're too hung up about who said what to actually allow the 1MB cap to be safely lifted in the meantime.

Imagine a world with indecisive types who'd prefer maybe not to see a hf ever. Be as optimistic as you can. Would we have inevitably crippled Bitcoin?

That will only happen if everyone bows down to fear mongering idiots. Like with Brexit or Donald Trump. Surely there are no such people in Bitcoin.



4677. Post 15484820 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 06, 2016, 04:09:49 AM
Even if we get some code for a hard fork this year, what happens when the miners want to run with it, but the nodes won't budge? (Again.) Is that just the mechanism doin' it's thing?

They could just copy/paste some classic code or bitpays adaptive block size today and have it running by tomorrow. And if they do this in secret you'll have a Dr. Merkwürdigliebe scenario.

What I worry about is if a safe LN is 2-4 years away. And we're too hung up about who said what to actually allow the 1MB cap to be safely lifted in the meantime.

Imagine a world with indecisive types who'd prefer maybe not to see a hf ever. Be as optimistic as you can. Would we have inevitably crippled Bitcoin?

That will only happen if everyone bows down to fear mongering idiots. Like with Brexit or Donald Trump. Surely there are no such people in Bitcoin.

To be continued then...

Is politics really a fitting analog here tho, I wonder. It's a tech community, after all. A tyranny of a majority of Chinese mines doesn't sit square with me either.

The chinese miners are here now whether you like it or not. If they turn into a tyranny they'll be mining on a dead fork before long. What you asked was no more hf. Which I would say is analogous to extreme constitutional conservatism. Bitcoin isn't a purely technical community. The challenges it faces aren't purely technical. The hf challenge is definitely not purely technical. We know hard forks can be done. It happens all the time. France is on its fifth constitution and the US considers theirs as holier than the bible.



4678. Post 15484871 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.54h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on July 06, 2016, 04:40:46 AM
Yeah bitcoin just needs its 6th constitution like France ... and its not really a technical thingy anyway. Socialism will fix everything in the end, just trust us you don't really need to eat when food prices go up too much.

Idiots abound.

Yah, I see analogies aren't your strong suit.



4679. Post 15498433 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):


This is why we can't have nice things



4680. Post 15522833 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: angaper on July 08, 2016, 11:45:22 PM
As long as bitcoin has intrinsic value (which we agree it does), the price can boom due to economic conditions, just like the precious metals.

where's the intrinsic value? i don't believe anything has intrinsic value in the great scheme of things. value's awarded and mutually agreed, it's not a concrete thing.

you're right, all value is necessarily subjective because value is a human construct that doesn't have an object existence you can prove with experimental or observational evidence.

However, Landauer's principle of information theory ensures that entropy-increasing, irreversible computations (like bitcoin's proof-of-work hashing) consume a quantifiable minimum requirement of energy. Energy is an objective, extrinsic property associated with many different tradeable commodities that are widely marketed. i.e. valuable, across the planet.

But energy is just an underlying need in all things based on computational technologies, and we have just founded this critical issue a priori, so the potential value of bitcoin was never calculated based on its energy consumption.

Basically, yes. But if you look at what he wrote and not what he meant you could say that the base of the minimum price is the cost of running a handful of RaspPi's. The myth he is attempting to promote is perpetuated by many Hero and Legendary members of the community. Sort of worrying. And a good indication of how much trust you should put in anything written here.



4681. Post 15522860 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on July 09, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
So tense...im feeling a dump btw...why rush to buy in last few hours...
I think dump, its one last chance for a shake out, then within next day or two...boom back up

Dafuq? Mrrumpypumpy bullish?




4682. Post 15523657 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: tailor on July 09, 2016, 11:18:31 AM
Bitcoin does require electricity and hardware to be produced. This is an objective fact. And that requires a certain minimum of money. Facts, such stubborn things.

But money spent does not mean there's value.

and only idiots would waste terajoules of energy a year digging yellow metal out of the ground.

I think we can agree that if I spent terajoules digging sand instead of gold I wouldn't have something as valuable as the idiots you refer too.

As you see, plenty of circular reasoning going on.



4683. Post 15524096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: nioc on July 09, 2016, 11:43:21 AM
Bitcoin does require electricity and hardware to be produced. This is an objective fact. And that requires a certain minimum of money. Facts, such stubborn things.

But money spent does not mean there's value.

and only idiots would waste terajoules of energy a year digging yellow metal out of the ground.

I think we can agree that if I spent terajoules digging sand instead of gold I wouldn't have something as valuable as the idiots you refer too.

As you see, plenty of circular reasoning going on.

At least if you are going around in a circle you don't get lost.

au contraire mon frčre

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/08/20/do-lost-people-really-go-round-in-circles/

Quote
Oh wait, Columbus.  I still stand by my statement, I'm getting dizzy.

And there you go...

Quote
Speaking of valuable, at the time of the having I will be visiting a very old person, much older than Jimbo.

Tell him/her that I said "hi" if you run out of conversation material. That kind of stuff fills in a lot of time with old people.


"Aw, that's nice!"
"He's such a nice boy."
"Who?"
"Have I met him?"
"Was he the creepy guy down the street?"
"Who's his parents?"




4684. Post 15526616 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Blazin8888 on July 09, 2016, 04:39:44 PM
LIVE! Bitcoin Block Halving Party: https://youtu.be/rJdID7feU8E


Is that you?

Say hi to Fatman!



4685. Post 15526734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):


BAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!

OK, YOU BUNCH OF FRIGGIN HALFWITS!!!!!!

LET'S LAUNCH THIS FRECKER!!!!




BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!



4686. Post 15527949 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: BenGrooper on July 09, 2016, 06:19:48 PM
Just got margin called. Again. Worst day of my life.

Yeah, right... you are either a dumb-ass or making shit up, again.


[why not both, meme?]

You're the gentleman who made me feel bad about being so trusting...

594 on BTC-e Sad I was promised we would *never* go below 600 Cry

Don't be an idiot.

First:  BTC-e is not reflective of overall BTC prices, HELLO?


Second:  If anyone tells you "never" in relation to bitcoin, then by definition, they must be either misleading or misinformed or more likely, you are making shit up in order to act like a drama queen...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I guess I should stop trusting people so much. They seemed nice . . . you're not even nice, you're just rude.

And now on this, the worst fucking day of my life, just as I'm at my lowest and most fragile, you return to torment me some more? To rub your poisonous hatred into my wounds?
What kind of a heartless monster are you?

Hi porkchops! How ya doin?



4687. Post 15528029 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):




4688. Post 15528055 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 09, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
Yeah, right... If I wanted to get sympathy, I would reach out and post details on a semi-anonymous forum for such...  Sounds like a great strategy to deal with mental issues  Roll Eyes

...sometimes...

...............................the irony........



4689. Post 15529641 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Wolf Rainer on July 09, 2016, 09:43:19 PM
Countdown begins.....

4 years until halving

Bitcoin to the moon! Lol. A lot of pre-halving hype and then nothing. The chineses are playing with us, they control de market.

Yeah right, another one of these superficial and foundationless assertions regarding supposed "chinese control"....

Can I just say, Bullshit?  Oh, I just did.   Tongue

Had you watched the Chinese markets volume of the last 2 or 3 years? They control de market, 90% of volume is from China. And this is not only about Bitcoin, all the altcoins had the same problem.

Those big and shady chinese exchanges are centralized and with low or not fee at all.

yes, I will concede that chinese exchanges are known for low or no fees, lot's of trading bots, and even some faked volume... and so they have been discredited for quite a while (maybe around a couple of years)..

Sure, there is some symbiosis, and there is some back, and forth in which chinese may seem to be leading, but I would not attribute correlation with causation. 

And, sure, on an individual level, you can figure out whatever indicators work for you, and in that regard, you can follow the chinese exchanges to your heart's content, but makes you look kind of silly if you are spouting out such nonsense in these forums without qualifying your observations to some extent with acknowledgements that there is quite a bit of skepticism in respects to chinese exchanges (and that is not at all meant to be a xenophobic assertion from me).. 

OkCoin, Huobi, Bitfinex, BitStamp, BTCChina... Tell me ONE not chinese big exchange.

It's ok. The chinese are better than us. They'll make us rich.




4690. Post 15529779 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on July 09, 2016, 10:02:31 PM
yea fatman ive been bullish on crypto since just before Brexit and even more bullish now that Trump looks likely to destroy the USA economy and Dollar.

However short term i do see BTC testing $500, this will test the network and the community...will fear set in and we go lower?, will miners leave ?(short term) once these have been tested, i think we will begin recovery around end sept-oct. United States presidential election of 2016, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 will be the the time we go over $1k as many people will leave( or be thrown out ,lol) and BTC and ETH will allow them to move money out easier and quicker as we move into 2017.

If you look at how Bitmain has been distributing their new super-efficient miners it looks like they're trying to avoid a hashrate drop. They had a limit of 5-10 miners per order since the release of the Antminer S9. The latest Batch (released today) has no limit.



4691. Post 15529784 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Recordura on July 09, 2016, 09:58:15 PM
Doubt it's just one.
Why?
@Fatman3001, Chinese are better than us. They'll make us poor.


Scared perhaps. Not poor.



4692. Post 15530663 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: ProfessionalBitsurgeon on July 10, 2016, 12:06:12 AM
Obviously he thinks he's being funny.  :-
He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's unfunny.
Or maybe he's a little bit funny. I'm just upset because the price is slumping again and I'm just grumpy.
OK, fine. I'm German.

VV That's miners trying to bankrupt their competition by mining at a loss. 1 Pool 2 Rule Them All Soon VV

So a german finds BMB "unfunny". Higher praise is hard to come by.



4693. Post 15530729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 10, 2016, 12:54:12 AM
Train pics incoming, hold please...



Take your time



4694. Post 15534138 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: 600watt on July 10, 2016, 09:52:35 AM
what do you guys think about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QL8fDEhjvw

made by deloitte.

Encouraging that Deloitte spent resources on promoting the tech. Too bad the audiovisual experience made it look like the evil lovechild of Skynet, The Matrix from "The Matrix" and a rapist/stalker.



4695. Post 15536907 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: elite3000 on July 10, 2016, 02:05:27 PM
what do you guys think about this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QL8fDEhjvw

made by deloitte.

Well, AOL was pretty successful for a short time. No reason private blockchains won't have some success too. Some people even still have aol email accounts.

AOL is quite a success in the USA.

I know in some countries they have been a failure, but AOL is far from being an almost dead enterprise.

And private blockchains seems like a paradox, considering that the nature of the blockchain is being decentralized. Maybe some technology inspired in the blockchain, but with some modifications. Gonna watch the video carefully when I have time



The NXT team are working on its 2.0 iteration called Ardor. That will be able to deliver "private" decentralized blockchains as child chains.



4696. Post 15537195 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Elwar on July 10, 2016, 03:07:14 PM

How embarrassing. You posted a block size post in the Wall Observer thread instead of the Development section.

Happens to the best of us.

Some care about fundamentals.



4697. Post 15547031 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Elwar on July 11, 2016, 12:59:22 PM
[img ]http://i.imgur.com/MfRGEqy.jpg[/img] [$10 in 2014]

Expert off by        ~$290
Bitcoiners off by   ~$9,700 Shocked

You decide . . .

Geometric mean of both 1711:

9700/290 = 35.92

sqrt(35.92) = 5.99

290 * 5.99 = 1711

So, there, most accurate prediction  Kiss

Typical Bitcoiner math Roll Eyes

>So...you're not a "Bitcoiner"?

No. Just like I'm not a Dollarer when I use the USD, or a Waterer when I use water.

Bitcoiner = brainwashed, delusional bitcoin fanatic.

How many dollar websites do you troll?

"Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion"

At least one



4698. Post 15654166 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on July 20, 2016, 10:50:52 PM

Times are changing. It is a dynamic world out there.

The miners got into bed with core, believing they could deliver.

Miners will keep the blockchain, Core can keep their code.


such shit FUD ... Core delivers everytime, >100 high quality contributors serving up huge quantities of quality code

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4tqb59/bitcoin_core_v0130rc1_binaries_are_available_for/

miners have spent not a milliBitcoin producing quality code (or even funding some Core devs (i have no idea why it's a no brainer for wealthy idiot miner to hire a Core dev or two??wtf idiot miners)) so until they do they will the run the best code out there, Core.

Hi Marcus!

I see you're still fighting shadows with brainless lies and misinformation.

https://petertodd.org/2016/btcc-funding


Well, fight the power brother!



4699. Post 15654327 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on July 21, 2016, 12:56:25 AM

14 billable hours a month ... such devving, much coding!

get a grip fatso

...?

So, according to your statement he's working (14h x 6 months = ) 84h for less than "a milliBitcoin"?

With your way with numbers I can understand why the block size issue sounds a bit weird.



4700. Post 15660176 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Elwar on July 21, 2016, 12:25:46 PM
I'm liking the amount of FUD. Hoping for some panic. Just a few days is all I need.

Since we've had a normal summer lull I'm guessing finex longs will crash sometime August. Just put in your low bids and reap the rewards.



4701. Post 15670012 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):


Hi Elwar,

I saw your post about General Dynamics and DCGS-A.

I feel your pain.

Have you considered work where you're not so tied up to the government insanity that is the military?



4702. Post 15670690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 22, 2016, 11:20:44 AM
No. British. And as ever it's the ones hiding behind the lines who are the most hopeless. The fella we used to deal with had to wait four months to get a new battery for his mobile phone from the ministry of defence.

The military is the most f'd up andclosed system on the planet. The incentive structure is skewed toward incompetence. You're rewarded for shutting up and not causing a fuss. And since there is no consequences in normal times, it's never any reason to challenge this system. Whenever there's a major scandal everything about it is kept under lid.

We recently had an accident in Norway where the tower that was used to watch over a fighter pilot exercise, a tower with 4 officers in it, was gunned down by an F16. This was odd, because the same tower had been gunned down 10 years ago and nothing had been done to address the issue. So journalists then asked what the massive accident report from 10 years ago concluded, but this was of course confidential. Fortunately nobody was killed in either incident, but it's sad that someone 10-15 years from now will have to die before they address the issue.



4703. Post 15670729 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 22, 2016, 11:31:43 AM
Au contraire. I'm hoping to visit some of the remains of the British Empire this winter. There are at least 8000 people stuck on rocks in the middle of the sea with nothing much to do other than sexually exploit underage people. That's not to be sniffed at.

How's YOUR empire doing?

Wow, you're going to Pitcairn?

That's a hell of a journey.



4704. Post 15673010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Elwar on July 22, 2016, 12:22:29 PM

Hi Elwar,

I saw your post about General Dynamics and DCGS-A.

I feel your pain.

Have you considered work where you're not so tied up to the government insanity that is the military?

One brief moment when I was looking for a job I added private companies to my list. My skillset is wide and not specialized because of how contracts work. They need someone to fill a slot, they'll put you in that slot even if you know it just a little as long as you have a lot of experience and have a degree (and a clearance). So I've been a network engineer, software engineer, system admin, Java/C++/.NET/Ada, etc. A wide range of skills but no specialization in one single skill. While searching for a job in the private sector they tend to look for someone that is very specialized in one skill set, especially at the senior level. I interviewed for several Java positions and one person told me that I was more of a junior level programmer but my salary requirement was senior level. Which was true since I use Java for most positions but I am never a Java developer.

Plus the clearance I have, only .001% of Americans have that clearance. Which makes it easy to get a good paying job for any job that requires that clearance. There is certainly no outsourcing of my job to lower paid foreigners. That and my willingness to travel and live anywhere in the world (including war zones) gives me a very good salary. Getting paid $250k-$500k per year is not unheard of for my type of work in war zone environments (working 84 hour work weeks, 365 days a year). That's a lot of bitcoins.

I do plan on retiring in a few years, work on something I can just do over the Internet and travel the world. I'll retire a lot sooner if bitcoin goes over $2-3k.

Sounds like you'll be retiring next year then. This sucker can't stay down much longer.



4705. Post 15673058 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 22, 2016, 11:51:13 AM

Wow, you're going to Pitcairn?

That's a hell of a journey.

Ascension, Falklands and St Helena primarily, and by the sounds of it the Saints are fond of 'chickens' too. If my ship comes in both literally and metaphorically then Pitcairn too.

I'd really like to do Tristan da Cunha as well but I could probably save thousands of pounds by going to a village on the local moors and projecting some sea on my VR glasses plus I'd have the option to leave any time I want when I got bored as fuck.

Is it job related or just a weird british thing? They're not exactly common tourist destinations.



4706. Post 15674026 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: Torque on July 22, 2016, 04:39:14 PM
I have a strong suspicion that we're headed for a breakout above 700 within the next few weeks.

dafuq?

Why are you bullish all of the sudden?



Quote from: gentlemand on July 22, 2016, 03:43:23 PM

Is it job related or just a weird british thing? They're not exactly common tourist destinations.

Weird British. I fucking love going to the backs of beyond and you can't get much more beyond than that. The first place I went to in the US was rural Nebraska. I was in Newfoundland recently and headed straight for the most remote communities I could find. It certainly feeds my soul. Dunno why.

You should come to Svalbard. It's the poor mans Antarctica.



4707. Post 15674356 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 22, 2016, 05:13:35 PM
You should come to Svalbard. It's the poor mans Antarctica.

It's definitely on the list. One day I hope to come across somewhere so desolate and depressing that I instantly drop dead from sheer despair. In the UK Port Glasgow does a nice job. I think some forgotten city in Siberia's going to do it.

We have two forgotten Siberian citys on Svalbard too. Barentsburg and Pyramida. Everything a man in existential doubt could ever want.





4708. Post 15676766 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.55h):

Quote from: gentlemand on July 22, 2016, 06:02:30 PM
It looks promising indeed but I think there'll be too much optimism and excitement from other people who reached it. Most of the places I like going the people there ask 'why the fuck did you come here?' but I'll put my affairs in order and give it a try.

Yah, Svalbard is more cool than quirky.



4709. Post 15694427 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: podyx on July 24, 2016, 05:20:58 PM
You just sit tight and watch the hidden dynamics of the halving unfold... Wink

This beast taking off in approximately 10 days.

It will have to. Or else those bfx longs are going to bail



4710. Post 15720906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 26, 2016, 06:27:42 PM
Conclusion: No 2mb hard fork in the foreseeable future for Bitcoin.

Yeah. Unless almost everyone is satisfied and going forward together I think this has killed off any chances of anything contentious ever happening. Bitcoin has far more money, far more grievances, far more mining grunt and far more ideology.

I'm calling it. The block size wars are over!

It was over in February.

Doesn't mean we can't bitch about it.



4711. Post 15721101 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: dumbfbrankings on July 27, 2016, 12:01:41 AM
You know I love you Fatty, but after the Ethereum fiasco, doesn't the prospect of periodic hard froks make you uneasy? It makes me uneasy. XMR does it. Does it work ok for them?

I don't really follow you. Ethereum got squashed by smart contracts (sort of like LN will have) and xmr is kept back by only catering for technically minded nationalistic sociopaths.

I heard somewhere xmr has periodic hard froks. I don't know. Nevermind. I'm still piecing it together in my head. Let me try to reprhase that whole thing.



Edit: I'd like to know your thoughts on the impending ETH hard fork, and if you think planned, routine hard forks are a good idea generally?
Post Edit: I'm sincerely asking. I'm not smart enough for crypto sarcasm

Eth wasn't supposed to be a BTC competitor. Immutability is not thought of as sacred in ethereum. Such a fork would be catastrophic in BTC, but in eth it might make sense. I'd vote against it because it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that something like this would happen. Other hard forks seem to have gone through fairly smoothly though.
...
In my mind, if ETH hard forks to bail out reckless investors in the DAO, it’s over. It may live on, in some form, and with some market value, but I’m not interested. If they don’t HF to bail out a faulty contract, or if a minority branch survives… that would be more interesting to me.

SFYL?  Undecided

No worries. ETC asshats gave me a bunch of coins to dump. Some idiot at polo actually paid for them. I think it was becoin.



4712. Post 15721134 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):


How many accounts do you have running here BMB? This is making my head spin.

Also, everyone looking forward to the finex long squeeze?



4713. Post 15725354 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):


My charts tell me the price will bottom at 1984 Yuan, so that's $297.42.

Whether it bounces from there is up to TPTB I guess.

Too bad Adam lost his whale status.

Things were a lot more fun back then.



4714. Post 15731906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 27, 2016, 06:14:33 PM

My charts tell me the price will bottom at 1984 Yuan, so that's $297.42.

Whether it bounces from there is up to TPTB I guess.

Too bad Adam lost his whale status.

Things were a lot more fun back then.


Those are dumb-ass charts if they are telling you sub $300.... sounds like real pie in the sky.

We gotta get through several support points to being even close to striking distance of even sub $500, and you are suggesting sub $300... ---yeah right.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Can we snap back to the real world, just for a moment?

Please tell me what kind of bot you are.

Is there a passphrase to get you to break or reveal yourself?

"How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

This is Doctor Noonian Soong. Report Status!



4715. Post 15731948 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 27, 2016, 11:10:21 PM
I echo your inquiry, fine sir or sir-ette!

Indeed, discussion of the consequences of the HF of the-coin-that-shall-not-be-named is directly applicable to any possible HF of Bitcoin. And discussion of a HF of Bitcoin is directly applicable to Bitcoin price movement.

Though it may not be Adam with the heavy hand?

Bitcoin, subjected to a HF, is No True Bitcoin. It is an altcoin. Therefore, discussion of hardf*cking Bitcoin is nothing but filth and perversion, verboten; >>>/altcoin/.

P.S. It's not Adam.


omg

lambie is a mod

makes sense



4716. Post 15740633 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 28, 2016, 06:10:57 PM
Bitcoin ETF approval within 5 months.

Quote
A new exchange traded fund designed to track the price of Bitcoin may be on its way to market. New paperwork has been filed with the SEC for the new ETF, titled Solid Bitcoin Trust, according to reports from ETF.com.

SolidX Partners Inc. says the Bitcoin within the ETF will be insured in case of theft, destruction or computer fraud, with the Bank of New York Mellon acting as custodian.

The new fund requires a rule change filing with SEC by the carrying exchange, due to Bitcoin’s status as a new asset type. The fund will kick off with an initial offering value at around $1 million.

Approval is pending based on the approval of the rule change filing; a precedent has since been set by the Winklevoss Bitcoin ETF, which the infamous brothers filed for on June 30. It’s anticipated that fund will receive approval by the end of 2016, with the SolidX ETF receiving approval by early 2017.

http://www.wealthprofessional.ca/news/etfs/new-bitcoin-etf-on-its-way-to-market-211198.aspx

Wasn't the Winklevoss ETF supposed to be approved by 2014? Then again by 2015? Now by the end of 2016? I keep hearing the same thing every year... what's different this time?


Also, didn't the Winklevoss release their ETF called Gemini? Or is that just an exchange? I'm so confused because I've been hearing about the same ETF for the last 2 years and nothing changes


Did someone promise you something too? 


Try a little harder with your nonsense.

By now, even the biggest of idiots have figured out that Gemini is an exchange and an exchange is different from an ETF.

We could have given you a pass for these kinds of questions a year ago (when Gemini first came out), but a year later, come on?


What nonsense you stupid motherfucker the Winklevoss ETF has been in the news as "soon to be approved" since 2014, I'm just asking how this news is any different.... it's the same shit over and over again. If I remember it was supposed to be approved by the end of 2014

Why are you so pissed, you on your period? Don't ever talk to me like that again bitch boy

Well that escalated quickly.
LOL

Can't blame Dafar
JJ called him an idiot for no good reason.

JJ must be having a bad day...

JJG is "special"




4717. Post 15742576 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):


Any news about wtf is going on with scaling? Any thoughts on Bitcoins lacklustre performance lately?

Quote from: JayJuanGee on July 28, 2016, 09:47:33 PM
Actually should figure that fatty would chime in with a bit of her white knighting.    Kiss

After that round of cornholing the only one who needs a white knight is you.



4718. Post 15742960 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: AlexGR on July 28, 2016, 11:19:49 PM

Any news about wtf is going on with scaling? Any thoughts on Bitcoins lacklustre performance lately?

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Scaling is so "bad" that in the last 24hr

125 txs were conducted with zero fees
48k txs were conducted with 1-10 satoshi /byte
11.5k txs were conducted with 11-20 satoshi /byte
19.5k txs were conducted with 21-30 satoshi /byte

If there was a capacity issue the above would be impossible at such dirt-cheap levels.

Furthermore, the attempt to pin "scaling" and "price" together has failed at levels like 200-300-400 etc when people were saying "oh it will never go beyond 200 because ...scaling".... and then the same at 300, 400, etc.


I didn't ask whether it was a problem. I'm asking how it's going with the solutions.

Of course the chain won't stay saturated forever. Nobody "needs" Bitcoin now.

When it doesn't work properly people stop using it.

Hence the price.

Have you noticed that what is happening is exactly what Gavin said was going to happen?



4719. Post 15743011 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: AlexGR on July 28, 2016, 11:53:47 PM

Any news about wtf is going on with scaling? Any thoughts on Bitcoins lacklustre performance lately?

https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Scaling is so "bad" that in the last 24hr

125 txs were conducted with zero fees
48k txs were conducted with 1-10 satoshi /byte
11.5k txs were conducted with 11-20 satoshi /byte
19.5k txs were conducted with 21-30 satoshi /byte

If there was a capacity issue the above would be impossible at such dirt-cheap levels.

Furthermore, the attempt to pin "scaling" and "price" together has failed at levels like 200-300-400 etc when people were saying "oh it will never go beyond 200 because ...scaling".... and then the same at 300, 400, etc.


I didn't ask whether it was a problem. I'm asking how it's going with the solutions.

Of course the chain won't stay saturated forever. Nobody "needs" Bitcoin now.

When it doesn't work properly people stop using it.

Hence the price.

Have you noticed that what is happening is exactly what Gavin said was going to happen?

The price has grown from 200 to 400 to 660. If price is an indicator of whether it's working well, I guess it's working damn well.

As for saturation, the chain can be saturated for ever no matter the block size, even 1gb blocks. If it costs near zero to broadcast a tx, why wouldn't it be "saturated"? The only question is whether miners are ok processing these txs or not. Then someone will bitch about "ohhh the mempool is saturated and miners don't process my 0.000001$ tx"  Cry

Can you please stop pouring stupid down my throat? I'm not going to argue whether 1+1=3 with you. But I know you probably know what's going on with segwit and LN. Is there any progress whatsoever?



4720. Post 15743034 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: AlexGR on July 28, 2016, 11:58:14 PM
Can you please stop pouring stupid down my throat? I'm not going to argue whether 1+1=3 with you. But I know you probably know what's going on with segwit and LN. Is there any progress whatsoever?

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.13/doc/release-notes.md

nevermind, I guess that means no

Edit : Ok, so it was released a day ago

thx!

Edit 2: Any idea how long it will take with the seeds?



4721. Post 15743125 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: AlexGR on July 29, 2016, 12:14:54 AM
Can you please stop pouring stupid down my throat? I'm not going to argue whether 1+1=3 with you. But I know you probably know what's going on with segwit and LN. Is there any progress whatsoever?

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.13/doc/release-notes.md

nevermind, I guess that means no

Edit : Ok, so it was released a day ago

thx!

Edit 2: Any idea how long it will take with the seeds?

No idea.

ok,thx



4722. Post 15743170 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on July 29, 2016, 12:17:38 AM
Gavin said Craig Wright is Satoshi ... oh, yeah, that happened ... exactly like he said, uh-huh, uh-huh.

What happened was that Craig Wright chickened out. Pretty much like Satoshi did.



4723. Post 15743940 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: yefi on July 29, 2016, 01:48:16 AM
Of course the chain won't stay saturated forever. Nobody "needs" Bitcoin now.

When it doesn't work properly people stop using it.

Hence the price.

You should reserve your hences and therefores for when price breaks 500 USD. At the moment price is doing exactly what would be expected after a major move up, and that has nothing to do with abandonment.

Ugh, this reminds me of British Leyland documentary.

Let's hope some news about SegWit and LN starts trickling out soon so I won't have to be given the green light by Old Yefi The Wise to use my hences. The therefores are yours to keep.



4724. Post 15752905 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on July 29, 2016, 11:14:08 PM
edits: sorry about that my grammar and sentence structure goes out the window when i get excited.

Just as an aside, I had always assumed your ... err ... peculiar dialect was intentional. While your spelling and grammar are typically atrocious, you are obviously capable of reason.

Whatevs.

long story short, my mother tongue is french.

I KNEW IT!!!




4725. Post 15770258 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: Dafar on July 31, 2016, 02:57:56 PM
I assume not many ppl here will be using Coinbase, but please be careful if you do.

https://bitflikz.com/blogs/news/critical-security-update-from-bitflikz-gdax-coinbase-may-be-insolvent


I have over 100 BTC in Coinbase.... what do?

First, never disclose how much you have... and where !


I'm jk, i have a lot more than 100 Wink


jk I mean't 1

If you have a largish amount of bitcoin you'd like to have readily available I'd recommend a couple of Trezors. One to use, one in case shit for recovery.



4726. Post 15780803 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):


Sure good Bitcoin doesn't have a capacity issue.

Sure wonderful to see adoption and price reach new heights like this.



4727. Post 15780905 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):


Where's Aztec? I finally understand that nutter.



4728. Post 15795024 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):


At least we don't have to worry about those finex margin longs any more.


Btw, I'm sorry for those who lost on finex today. I'd suggest you seek legal assistance asap.



4729. Post 15800786 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: Elwar on August 03, 2016, 08:33:11 AM
The ironic thing is that I was going to take the $150k worth of bitcoins from the sale of my house and put it on Bitfinex so I could loan it out and get interest. I figured they had been stable for several years which is rare in the Bitcoin world.
Almost 2 months later and I'm still not finished moving it all to my cold storage address with all of the hoops I have to jump through to get it there.

Sorry for your loss.

Good to hear it wasn't your house money.



4730. Post 15800956 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.56h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on August 03, 2016, 07:29:38 AM
Is there a bitfinex replacement out there that offers leveraged trading to North American customers?

Dunno... But I recommend exchanges that require you a ton of personal information and that don't keep the coins or fiat on the exchange... and need like 10 security verification protocols. At least those are safe if you are not afraid of the government, and if those countries have permissive laws towards bitcoin... Try to find a country that actually plans to encourage BTCitcoin.

(*Edit: This if you want to be a trader... if you want to just buy for your personal stash&hold, you can just buy from one of the mainstream exchanges I guess.)

Gemini is starting to look pretty sweet after this. Maybe the twinkletossers will get some wind in their sails.



4731. Post 16063215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):


In-fucking-credible

Adam is an alt-shill account and BTC is losing ground to the shittiest coin of all



4732. Post 16127095 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on September 02, 2016, 03:54:10 PM
I would call that an ecological disaster.

Actually old trees are pretty much done when it comes to soaking up carbon. New trees soak it up quite a bit as they grow. Clearing out old trees and planting new is good for the planet.

You are delusional... I will explain it to you later why... But till then.. look at these assholes taking their trophy kill picture:



LMAO!!!

"trophy kill picture"

Bitcoin is such a nutcase magnet.



4733. Post 16218086 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):

Quote from: rjclarke2000 on September 11, 2016, 07:55:53 PM
Assuming nothing major has happened, a cool-off like this may be a healthy correction for the next leg up.


A cool off? We haven't gone up THAT much surely?

With pump and corrections like this we will all have our own islands by the year 2140.

We will anyway, thanks to global warming.



4734. Post 16291816 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on September 18, 2016, 09:53:40 PM
bear trolls killed this thread ded a long time ago ... best thing is they probably got rekt in finex slaughterhouse.

Bitcoin being tied down by self harming nutters, like yourself, killed this thread.



4735. Post 16292159 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on September 18, 2016, 11:00:48 PM
bear trolls killed this thread ded a long time ago ... best thing is they probably got rekt in finex slaughterhouse.

Bitcoin being tied down by self harming nutters, like yourself, killed this thread.

... still lurking here jealously guarding (gloating over) your corpse I see.

Why would I gloa...... jealous? nevermind

I guess you've attended "The iCEBREAKER School for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too" while I've been away.



4736. Post 16373077 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):


Yeez, August 14th. Torque cuts deep.



4737. Post 16374518 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):



Quote
Quote
Quote from: satoshi on October 03, 2010, 09:07:28 PM
We can phase in a change later if we get closer to needing it.

IMO it's a marketing thing.  It's tough to get people to buy into a system, if the network is technically incapable of supporting high transaction rates.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1347.msg15145#msg15145



4738. Post 16387321 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):


The JJG character is a real tour de force for NLC/BMB.

The dedication is very impressive.



4739. Post 16389161 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):

Quote from: savetherainforest on September 28, 2016, 07:53:58 AM

The JJG character is a real tour de force for NLC/BMB.

The dedication is very impressive.


I wasn't sure there for a while but he won my heart with steadfast determination and a ruthless penchant for mesmerising blocks of text.


I gave up long time ago with most of his "blocks of text." ... The guy is just insane, pure batsh!t crazy! ... I wish sometimes he had a bit of empathy to make his text more readable from the readers perspective. I can tell... because I write as a hobby and when reading other people's work... I tend to get inside their mind very quickly and that annoys me. And when it comes to JJG ... he writes most of his stuff from a self centered perspective. And that makes it hard to read... its like trying to listen to a song/track with/composed of blackboard/chalkboard screechings.

...

that's really funny

kudos

is bathsaltwater the only "traditional" NLC account left in here?



4740. Post 16392599 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):


Stolfi is a celeb now. He even has his own following, most of whom don't even know they're being trolled.



4741. Post 16406042 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):

Quote from: Andre# on September 29, 2016, 08:14:51 PM
Very good Bitcoin talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad0Pjj_ms2k



Peter Rizun looks like, sounds like, and has the name of a Matt Groening character.

Just an observation. Not a comment on his speech.



4742. Post 16450650 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.57h):


Crypto 101 : Introduction to the crypto community


http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/09/economist-explains-17



4743. Post 16524443 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):




(BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF4p9TxDcAs



4744. Post 16533000 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):

Quote from: chesthing on October 12, 2016, 01:19:53 AM
Noticed Bitstamp is not on Bitcoinity under top USD exchanges. Did their volume drop or something? Less than GDAX(?)?

Elwar, if you are still in Germany, could you please tell us bit more about your observations regarding Deutsche Bank? If local Germans started to worry about their savings with DB? Bank run starting? Or they are still calm, expecting a bail-in to happen again?

No idea really. I don't watch the German news because I don't speak German. I avoid the US news because it's depressing.

I do know that my landlord started pulling some money out of the bank and holds more cash than he used to. And he's very open to taking bitcoins for rent. He's actually the perfect Bitcoin user. I pay him bitcoins in rent and he's a pilot for Lufthansa so he flies to other countries a lot. He goes to the US and uses Gyft to buy gift cards for just about everywhere he goes. Mainly Home Depot, Target, Whole Foods and some restaurants. He loves it. He used to use his PayPal credit card that charged him a huge exchange fee whenever he used it in the US.

Deutsche Bank canceled my account with them so they can crash and burn for all I care.

Cool, some dude who rents just gave advice.

Elwar sodl his house for BTC.

He only rents in Germany while working on the Future Soldier System before he will build his anarchist island paradise outside Bermuda.

He even has his own Bitcoin based competitor to Kickstarter, mainly aimed at realizing anarchist projects. Bitpools.com

Yeah, he's a bit nutty, but we like him and he knows his Bitcoin.



4745. Post 16539504 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):


BTC!!!!!

WHY WON'T YOU RALLY?!?!?!?!?!!?



4746. Post 16647645 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):

Quote from: yefi on October 22, 2016, 03:10:15 PM

Interesting fact about Ayoade is that he claims to be computer illiterate  Shocked

edit: and in other news, UP, UP, UP!

And Norwegian!

edit: yeah, UP, UP, UP!



4747. Post 16685592 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 26, 2016, 01:49:12 AM

And it seems Toknormal is ignoring me Cheesy

I don't think that he is ignoring you.  My conclusion, after extensive and extended analysis and relying upon relevant and material factors including world wide data, numerology and astrology is that he is just the "shy" and "sensitive" type.   Believe it or NOT.   

Damn, lambie! You've perfected this. You can crush the world with this character.



4748. Post 16693745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):


Looks like there's 1.8 million BTC in dust in the mempool.

Sure good Core is keeping those leeches at bay.



4749. Post 16693770 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):

Quote from: podyx on October 26, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
I sent a transaction like 2 hours ago and it still hasn't confirmed. What the fuck is going on? Blocks are full, I know but the last block was .75 MB

Oh man!!!

I thought more highly of you.

Spamming the blockchain with your insignificant thousands of dollars of dust!

The Humanity!!!



4750. Post 16695857 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):

Quote from: yefi on October 26, 2016, 10:51:00 PM
Looks like there's 1.8 million BTC in dust in the mempool.

Totally not one guy:



Yes, Podyx has been doing well lately




4751. Post 16752287 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):



Good News Everyone!

The chinese miners are finally starting to accept the problem of miner centralization:

http://www.investopedia.com/news/bitmain-john-mcafee-open-bitcoin-mining-pool/

Thx to klee for the heads-up.



4752. Post 16766846 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):


I see China is banning Bitcoin again. And Bitcoin obliges.

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”



4753. Post 16860864 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.58h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on November 13, 2016, 07:26:04 AM





bullish



4754. Post 17004487 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.59h):

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on November 27, 2016, 02:48:57 AM
Watch out for some serious turbulence and cross-currents with the segwit mining signaling phase if the chinese miners are going to try and over-play their hand, as it appears to be shaping up at this stage.

It could be a prime opportunity for a re-decentralisation of mining away from the big 2-3 chinese mining 'pools'. Since the big chinese pools are centralised and their blocks are easily identified they are vulnerable to an orphaning attack as soon as segwit gets over 51% https://blockchain.info/pools ... and which smaller miner wouldn't want to grab some market share of the juicy rewards from these behemoths and take them down a peg or two? If the big 2 or 3 miners (who now have less than 51%) get orphaned off the network the new mining reward split will be much, much more decentralised (and secure) and shift away from its current a chinese-centric vulnerablity. Getting from here to there could be quite turbulent price-wise but ultimately leave behind a much safer, secure (valuable) network.
 


So how many coins (or what percentage of my BTC holdings) should I sell in order to protect myself from this possibility?

None. There is no way we don't come out the other side of this without segwit and a stronger network ... maybe even we get less 'centralised' chinese domination of mining (up to now they have never exercised or exhibited any coordinated 'centralised' behaviour)

However, it will likely be a good opportunity to add in any downdrafts created by the FUD brigade.

Don't be so negative, Marky Mark. It might still work out.



4755. Post 17020919 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.59h):


the storm is coming

http://e24.no/digital/digital-valuta/banker-forbereder-seg-paa-digital-valuta-jeg-tror-dette-kommer-til-aa-snu-ting-paa-hodet/23849012



4756. Post 17215828 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.59h):


Hi ya bunch of nutters!

You ready to get rich (or richer)?

I mean proper lambie rich (so you can spend the rest of your life trolling the interwebz) ?



4757. Post 17225954 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.59h):

Quote from: Fakhoury on December 17, 2016, 09:43:18 PM

Hi ya bunch of nutters!

You ready to get rich (or richer)?

I mean proper lambie rich (so you can spend the rest of your life trolling the interwebz) ?

Where have you been buddy, I've missed you a lot, long time since I've seen you.

Are you fine ?

Extremely happy to see you back Smiley

Just got tired of the JJG thread.

Also it's tough to see so many of the people I thought highly of fail so hard at applying their thinkers properly.

But I'm looking forward to posting lots of train pics and gifs when the price starts getting properly nutty.



4758. Post 17226271 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.59h):


Oh, and all my posts were deleted

that sure didn't help

I bet this will be deleted too

Ordnung Muss Sein in Bitcoinland

Anarchism as conformity



4759. Post 17250476 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_14.59h):

Quote from: ImI on December 21, 2016, 03:30:38 AM

where are lambi, tarmi and the other bearfarts?  Cool

remember how they wrote "bulltards" nearly every minute in this thread as we went from 200 to 220?  Grin

tarmi sodl his account to a scamming scammer who scammed tarmi on the account purchase and hundreds of others with a fake ico in tarmis name.



4760. Post 17452547 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.01h):

Quote from: magicmexican on January 09, 2017, 04:56:14 PM
https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/818500764498694144

Google Translate really needs to take some chinese classes



4761. Post 17469200 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.01h):


CHINA BANNED BITCOIN AGAIN!!!




4762. Post 17503252 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: Miz4r on January 12, 2017, 06:28:55 PM
Stop pretending that the present technology couldn't handle large blocks.

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. There are hundreds of independent developers busy writing and testing code and weighing and discussing all the possible options. Out of that complicated process it was determined that Segwit is our best option right now and that large blocks (>4MB) are too risky for the stability and decentralized nature of the network at this point. After Segwit is deployed it will also be safer to increase the blocksize as Segwit also solves the quadratic scaling of hashed data. Hard forking now to larger blocks without first activating Segwit and solving quadratic hash scaling is just stupid and you'll also never get consensus for that. So why don't you stop complaining about Core and actually look and try to understand what it is they're doing? The divide in the community is purely based on ignorance and conspiracy thinking.

atm the divide between miners and devs are based on insults and broken promises. the code is out, but 3/4 of miners won't run it. what's the way forward?



4763. Post 17586536 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: K~Ehleyr on January 22, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
Wow, that recovered fast!!  I have no idea what's going to happen next - are we headed up or down?  Shocked Grin

flat for a couple of weeks, then down, then flat, then gradually faster up beyond ath and never looking back

Btw, are there any of my wo-peeps left here?

I see Jimbo is still spreading his log-cabin-in-the-woods-of-canada wisdom



4764. Post 17586697 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on January 22, 2017, 04:45:41 PM
I see Jimbo is still spreading his log-cabin-in-the-woods-of-canada wisdom

LOL. Log cabin in the woods?

Actually I'm in a concrete, steel and Lexan MR-10 bunker downtown in a metropolis of over 6 million people.

Good fences make good neighbors. (Edit: OMG, I"m starting to sound like Drumpf.)

 Cool

I only remember your diesel generator in the woods stories. You don't talk too much aboot your daily life in Toronto.



4765. Post 17587822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: rogerwilco on January 22, 2017, 05:59:46 PM
I only remember your diesel generator in the woods stories. You don't talk too much aboot your daily life in Toronto.

I have dual citizenship: country slicker and city bumpkin.

That's one of the reasons for my higher than average security measures. People know I'm often away for days or weeks at a time.

I'll assume your misspelling of "about" was a typo. It makes you sound like an American hillbilly though.

They seem to think that if you don't pronounce "about" as "a-bay-owt" that you're talking about footwear.  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1egScqWtlY

When in Rome



4766. Post 17587966 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on January 22, 2017, 07:11:20 PM
I'll assume your misspelling of "about" was a typo. It makes you sound like an American hillbilly though.

They seem to think that if you don't pronounce "about" as "a-bay-owt" that you're talking about footwear.  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1egScqWtlY

LOL I could never understand why they seem to fixate on "about" and not on other "-out" words.

They never talk about us going "oot" far a walk, having a summer "droot" or enjoying a nice cold Guinness "stoot".

Isn't that the Scottish pronunciation?

 Wink Smiley Cheesy Grin  Cool



Heh... I finally made Jiimbo crack



4767. Post 17645580 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: Bitmore on January 27, 2017, 06:32:28 PM
I think you are confused as to what is 'left wing' versus 'right wing'.   
IF you use the scale of government control over the individual, and the sacrifice of individual rights 'for the good of the whole (collective)" then fascism and socialism are indeed on the same side as totalitarianism, as opposed to free market libertarians wanting as little government control as possible, thus gravitating toward anarchism, or no laws or government control.

He is not confused. The right wing/left wing spectrum just takes some weird turns in certain parts of US society. People outside the US are used to a spectrum consisting of, from left to right: Communist/Anarchists (Dark Red), Social Democrats (Red), Social Liberals (Light Blue/Yellow/Green), Conservatives (Blue), Liberals (Dark Blue), Nationalist Conservatives (Light Brown), Fascists (Dark Brown)

Please note that it is normal to make a clear distinction between mainstream right wing parties and the far right. In Europe and elsewhere politicians on the mainstream right will often warn about the danger to society the far right poses in the same way the left wing parties do. It's a fairly uncontroversial way of viewing the political spectrum.

*With the advent of Anarcaps one could say that there is a right wing strand to Anarchism, but as it basically throws away the whole concept of government it really doesn't matter.

*One movement you will find in many countries which is not included here is The Green Party. That's because it's basically a single issue party and their overall policy will vary wildly from socialists to liberals.

Quote
There is a lot of revisionist history going on today.  Hitler and Stalin were in fact allies,,, until Hitler betrayed him and invaded poland and headed toward Stalingrad and Moscow.   In fact, the death camps were a Soviet design by some accounts.  Stalin and the USSR was left of Hitler Germany, but both were far left of any free market, individual rights respecting democracy.

A non-agression pact is not the same as an alliance. Furthermore, the Nazi concentration camp system was based on the camps Imperial Germany had used in Namibia.



4768. Post 17645585 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on January 27, 2017, 09:59:28 PM
in germany no one thinks like that. it is a well shared general view here that those two ideologies were opposite to each other. and hey, we invented this fuck up, so we should know.. Cheesy  

Because ze Germans are now brainwashed and cuckified beyond belief.



So your source for political philosophy is Hitler?

http://historyandpolitics77.blogspot.no/2011/03/we-are-socialists-debunked.html



4769. Post 17665533 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):


dat chinese volume...



4770. Post 17667859 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.02h):

Quote from: Killerpotleaf on January 30, 2017, 12:59:06 AM
it appears, OP is alive! Shocked and he has written up a nice little post about what a kind of fee market we could expect from a BU network.
https://medium.com/@adamstgbit_25789/bitcoin-unlimited-to-bring-stability-to-bitcoins-fee-market-6b5a4f882fc0#.wod2tts48
apparently BU is going to yield some kind of "optimal block size" phhh OP's a nut case, might be worth the 4 min read tho.  Wink



ALL HAIL ADAM!!!



4771. Post 17775574 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.03h):


China Bans Bitcoin..... AGAIN!!!!



4772. Post 17776191 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.03h):


It's pretty clear by now that PBOC is manipulating the market.

Which means they trade BTC.

Which is good, I guess.



4773. Post 17781222 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.03h):

Quote from: Lauda on February 08, 2017, 11:07:24 AM
How many times has China banned Bitcoin? Cheesy

It's pretty clear by now that PBOC is manipulating the market.
Since when are minor price movements in either direction equal to market manipulation?

You haven't noticed how PBOC actions tend to coincide with major technical levels? Everyone was waiting for 7500 to break. Same happened with the Christmas / New Years rally.



4774. Post 17782308 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.03h):

Quote from: becoin on February 08, 2017, 06:17:19 PM
How many times has China banned Bitcoin? Cheesy

It's pretty clear by now that PBOC is manipulating the market.
Since when are minor price movements in either direction equal to market manipulation?

You haven't noticed how PBOC actions tend to coincide with major technical levels? Everyone was waiting for 7500 to break. Same happened with the Christmas / New Years rally.

What PBOC is doing is just the start. The real fun will start when other central banks join the party. Expect ECB to be the next one.

Jus to be clear: I doubt what they're doing is part of a centrally decided policy. It's probably just the lower officials dealing with Bitcoin who found a way to make money off of it.



4775. Post 17787187 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.03h):


just woke up. I see china banned bitcoin today too



4776. Post 17790392 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.03h):


Wow, second time in one day China bans Bitcoin!



4777. Post 18236774 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.06h):


Hi there right wing nutters!

Can someone here explain why Dash is about to eclipse BTC?



4778. Post 18237425 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.06h):

Quote from: slap on March 18, 2017, 02:03:28 PM

Hi there right wing nutters!

Can someone here explain why Dash is about to eclipse BTC?

My theory is a few posts above.
Gawd how i dislike Roger. Meanwhile i'm scalping dash with longs. Take the btc out of Roger's pocket.
I hope he buys all dash and it crashes on its own, him being the 1337 dash bagholder.

Thx, found it



4779. Post 18238016 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.06h):

Quote from: slap on March 18, 2017, 03:01:39 PM

Hi there right wing nutters!

Can someone here explain why Dash is about to eclipse BTC?

My theory is a few posts above.
Gawd how i dislike Roger. Meanwhile i'm scalping dash with longs. Take the btc out of Roger's pocket.
I hope he buys all dash and it crashes on its own, him being the 1337 dash bagholder.

Thx, found it
But..whats your take on this theory? It almost seems to obvious..idk.

I believe Rogers support of BU is genuine. Is he pumping dash? No idea. But I doubt this pump is done by 1 person. We have simultaneous mega pumps in both eth and dash. There's a lot of money in play here. I am not so much puzzled by the eth pump, but dash left me scratching my head. Maybe some people needed a realistic hedge to BTC which was closer to BTC's use case than ETH because of the BTU rumblings and the ETF. And since Monero isn't particularly user friendly, Dash was the best choice.

Or Roger did it... idk



4780. Post 18283715 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.06h):

Quote from: Loaded on March 21, 2017, 05:48:14 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60ozkh/rogerver_lets_make_a_deal_1_for_1_trade_at_least/

bitcoin-cli signmessage 19Mz2o9RDABT74SA9njZqMtJXKEzj2qUoH '@RogerVer lets make a deal, 1 for 1 trade. At least 60k, possibly up to 130k, my BTU for your BTC.'
H9ed6z5RgdThRxXXqePmtJbaK1pGvoy6e+aiwUPD6pkrJ6d6TBchOu5OQLEbgq/15YRjcOUC+kMrGVfszUXV5Wc=

This is right up there with the 10 000 BTC Pizza



4781. Post 18324601 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):


Sometimes you've got to go ugly early. Surely those ugly mofos in Core should get that.



4782. Post 18324761 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 25, 2017, 06:33:59 AM
I feel really stupid. Anybody else feel that?

Yes



4783. Post 18324830 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: Master mind on March 25, 2017, 06:47:16 AM
I feel really stupid. Anybody else feel that?

NO

I'm pretty sure that's a bad sign

You should feel stupid



4784. Post 18325480 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: Lauda on March 25, 2017, 07:24:50 AM
This was somewhat unexpected, I had some shopping plans coming up soon. I guess I'll have to hold onto my Bitcoin.

That aside, this is the direct result of the hard fork (which is unnecessary anyways) propaganda from Ver & Jihan. Not long ago, the SEC decision was a really big event. Tens of thousands of people were waiting for it that day. The negative decision was corrected (price vise) in a matter of days. The price may get even messier, but hopefully $900 holds as some sort of *bottom*. However, keep in mind the following:
Segwit is going to activate, because the economy & supermajority of users are in support of it. Read the BIP 148 UASF Segwit: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0148.mediawiki

It takes two to tango, doesn't it?

To the degree people are choosing alts over BTC, Ver & Jihan can hardly be held accountable. Core has dropped the ball. Can they pick it up? That would require a schism (another one) in Core. UASF is almost as divisive as BU. And without leadership...

Anyhew, the current dump is technical. BTC has been running on fumes since the etf deision.



4785. Post 18326083 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: Lauda on March 25, 2017, 08:38:32 AM
It takes two to tango, doesn't it?
There is no tango here.

To the degree people are choosing alts over BTC, Ver & Jihan can hardly be held accountable. Core has dropped the ball. Can they pick it up? That would require a schism (another one) in Core. UASF is almost as divisive as BU. And without leadership...
This is bullshit. Nobody in their right fucking mind would attempt to use one of these scam coins. The only reason that people go in those is to gather more Bitcoin. That said, both Ver & Jihan are directly responsible for this, with their power-grab attempt. Core has done nothing wrong. They provided a very good (Segwit isn't perfect) scaling solution that would provide ~2.1 MB worth of TXs with adoption. In addition to that, they'd implement Schnorr post Segwit which would give the network even more capacity without requiring a HF.

Grow the F up Lauda. This is the real world. Core has bet everything on one horse and made it almost impossible for that horse to win with their 95% threshold. Of course this is a risky strategy. I struggle to imagine anything dumber.

If you lot can whip people in line and get that UASF thing going then good for you, but thus far it looks like it's being shot down left and right.

But let's flip your stupid assertion on its head. Isn't it a problem that one angry chinese miner and one high powered enthusiast on the autism spectrum can bring Bitcoin to its knees? Why is that? Why is Bitcoin so weak?



4786. Post 18326259 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: Nam3 on March 25, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
This is ironical. If people have problem with Bitcoin and have no faith left in its future, then why in the blue hell are they wasting their time in this thread?

I have plenty of faith in Bitcoin. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have problems.



4787. Post 18326285 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: becoin on March 25, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
But let's flip your stupid assertion on its head. Isn't it a problem that one angry chinese miner and one high powered enthusiast on the autism specter can bring Bitcoin to its knees? Why is that? Why is Bitcoin so weak?
A lot of bitcoin haters joined forces to make it look weak. Those are different groups with different agendas. They would hate to see segwit, LN and side chains implemented. Every fucking altcoin can be implemented as a bitcoin side chain without any risk to consumers! But that is the last thing banks would like to see. So they pump the alts they've chosen to distract average Joe from further converting his savings into bitcoins. The alt is not dangerous for banks. They can kill it anytime just by dumping it. 99% of altcoin investors are just desperado gamblers that don't really care about smart contracts or whatever.

So Roger Ver is a Bitcoin hater now?



4788. Post 18327690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: Ted E. Bare on March 25, 2017, 11:59:35 AM
They can't kill bitcoin. Alts are already decreasing and bitcoin is coming back up. China is also buying again.

Ehem...

https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/

If you look at "Bitcoin Percentage of Total Market Capitalization" you'll see Bitcoin hit an all time low today of 66.64% of total crypto market cap.

In other words: Alts are increasing. Alarmingly so.



4789. Post 18327916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: K~Ehleyr on March 25, 2017, 12:40:24 PM
I've held back from trying to discuss my concerns here because I know I'll only get accused of spreading FUD but, since I do have skin in the game too, I'm going to post anyway.

The way I see it, Bitcoin Core vs. Unlimited isn't the problem, the prospect of a hardfork isn't the problem.  The problem is the total inability for Bitcoin to reach any sort of consensus.  I think many of us now are past giving a fuck about how the blocksize issue is resolved.  Double the blocksize or halve it, implement some wizardry or tell the microtransactions to sod off and use alts instead, it really doesn't matter.  What matters is that it is resolved one way or another.  The lack of governance is the real problem, only compounded by the refusal of so many to even acknowledge that there is a problem at all.

As others have said here before me, what makes this crash so difficult to stomach isn't the falling price.  We've all seen bitcoin win all sorts of challenges before.  What makes this one so disturbing is that the threat is on the inside, bitcoin's lack of governance, lack of ability to say "this is a problem and this is how we're going to fix it" is actually tearing it apart from the inside.  I'd rather see bitcoin drop to $200 because of China or the US government than to $900 because of infighting.  At least then I'd have some confidence that it would come through, but Bitcoin can only win through if it's in good fighting form and right now it isn't.

At risk of incurring the wrath of the Bad Analogy Police, Bitcoin right now reminds me of Ellen Ripley.  She could fight off any predator and overcome any threat until the threat came from within her own body.  Then she was forced to destroy herself before it destroyed her.

Yes, she was resurrected stronger and cooler for the fourth movie but that took many years and many failed attempts, and even when they succeeded in bringing her back to life she was fundamentally different as a result of incorporating the alien DNA into her own  Tongue


tl;dr: we just need a solution, any solution, but that does mean first accepting that there's a problem in the first place.

A Klingon with a remarkably apt Alien analogy to explain our current conundrum. A wave of euphoria and satisfaction shook through my body as I read it.

I bow down in awe at your greatness.



4790. Post 18330945 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.07h):

Quote from: Holliday on March 25, 2017, 05:33:14 PM
The problem is the total inability for Bitcoin to reach any sort of consensus.

Really? It seems to me that the consensus is that there is no urgent need, regardless of the free shit army's constant moaning and gnashing of teeth, to change anything at the moment.

Bitcoin is hard to change, and that's fantastic.

If people want to test out radical solutions to non-problems, there are a myriad of alt-coins available for just such adventurers, and that's fantastic too!

Bitcoin will remain the bedrock of crypto, as always.

40% of miners mine BU blocks, 24% of miners mine segwit, and I think around 8% signal 8MB blocks... and this you think means "that the consensus is that there is no urgent need [...] to change at the moment."?

You might say this means that there is no consensus for change atm. Which is obvious. However, you cannot say that the consensus is that there is no urgent need to change. That's stretching it into absurdity.



4791. Post 18634648 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.08h):


ahhhh.... that sweet goxed feeling....



4792. Post 18827728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.08h):

Quote from: Ted E. Bare on May 01, 2017, 06:15:23 PM
Everyone is in the green.

oh man!

lost everything on a big short

will write an emotional reddit post about it soon where it sounds like I think I am imparting wisdom but everyone just shakes their heads at how stupid I am



4793. Post 19047493 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.10h):


BTC below 50% of total crypto market cap today.





4794. Post 19282146 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.11h):


Ethereum, brought to you by the incompetence of Bitcoin Core!



4795. Post 19425164 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):



Di di da da do do da da di di da da do do da da    FATMAN!!!


Yo, you right wing freaks with a brownish tint! You all rolling around like pigs in the glory of the Trump presidency?

Anyhew... how many are still hodling a proper stash of coinz?




4796. Post 19425495 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: bitebits on June 07, 2017, 08:14:00 PM
[...]how many are still hodling a proper stash of coinz?

Does the quantity of bitcoins needed to be qualified as 'proper stash' change depending on it's dollar value?

I hope and think the decentralization of bitcoins continues each time we have an ATH.

Ok, I see someone sodld



4797. Post 19425872 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: bitebits on June 07, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
Ok, I see someone sodld

Nope, but I sure hope others do. I simply can't. Grew attached to them.

They are very pretty. Especially if the price chart is on the screen next to them.

I'm not even euphoric anymore. I've reached nirvana. The thought of 10k feels boring and cheap. Give me $100k coins and I'll check again.



4798. Post 19425939 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on June 07, 2017, 04:14:01 PM
Sore losers report:
Bitcoin down $110. Shitcoins on parade. More news and weather together on the ones.

No, bitcoin is not down mate. Are you using the US market to study the price of bitcoin because presently the US market is following the Japanese and
South Korean markets  price moves.

I'll be back later to debate the definition of down with you. In the meantime, why not kick back and enjoy this Motown classic. Ladies and gentlemen, Gladys Knight and the Pips!

F@ck sakes, BMB! You've moved on to legendary without me!

Not cool, man. Not cool.

Oh... and the price is $2744 atm. Interdasting. Discussing, discussing.



4799. Post 19426036 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: infofront on June 07, 2017, 08:58:04 PM
I'm a pretty long-term BTC enthusiast. However, I have become rather nervous about BTC's future the last several months. Even moreso now than at any point since 2013 or so.

If UASF doesn't pass, I really don't see how BTC can possibly move forward, and stop ETH from eating it's lunch. And as of now, it looks like UASF is very unlikely to make it.

FFS man, keep up with the news!

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-new-scaling-agreement-reaction/

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-segwit2x-scaling-proposal-miners-offer-optimistic-outlook/

tldr, relax. we're fine.



4800. Post 19426160 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 07, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
I'm a pretty long-term BTC enthusiast. However, I have become rather nervous about BTC's future the last several months. Even moreso now than at any point since 2013 or so.

If UASF doesn't pass, I really don't see how BTC can possibly move forward, and stop ETH from eating it's lunch. And as of now, it looks like UASF is very unlikely to make it.

There'll always be a crisis of some sort on the horizon. Make your peace with it.

I don't really care if ETH eats Bitcoin's lunch. If it completely buries Bitcoin I'll be going with it. It has nothing to do with what crypto should stand for.

That's very noble of you.

Stupid, but noble.

Quote from: Torque on June 07, 2017, 09:13:08 PM
There'll always be a crisis of some sort on the horizon. Make your peace with it.

I don't really care if ETH eats Bitcoin's lunch. If it completely buries Bitcoin I'll be going with it. It has nothing to do with what crypto should stand for.

Yep. Price and marketcap driving forward in a crypto as the only measure of success, devoid of the core principles of sound, trustless, decentralized money that Satoshi laid out, is completely hollow and meaningless.

People in that camp might as well be chasing a hot new stock or some other bank-driven investment derivative. Or maybe their state lotto.


I'm pretty sure BTC is supposed to be huge. Not a tiny right wing nerd economy on the fringes of the dark web.



4801. Post 19426181 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: HI-TEC99 on June 07, 2017, 09:11:23 PM
Sore losers report:
Bitcoin down $110. Shitcoins on parade. More news and weather together on the ones.

No, bitcoin is not down mate. Are you using the US market to study the price of bitcoin because presently the US market is following the Japanese and
South Korean markets  price moves.

I'll be back later to debate the definition of down with you. In the meantime, why not kick back and enjoy this Motown classic. Ladies and gentlemen, Gladys Knight and the Pips!

F@ck sakes, BMB! You've moved on to legendary without me!

Not cool, man. Not cool.

Oh... and the price is $2744 atm. Interdasting. Discussing, discussing.

I'm in the same boat. It appears we will probably have to wait until we reach the full 1030 of activity before we go legendary. There's only another few months to go.  Sad

Echh.... I haven't been posting too much the last year. Lauda keeps hunting me down and deletes my posts. Kinda takes all the fun out of it.

Some people... they get a little power and they instantly turn Stalin on you.



4802. Post 19426300 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: gentlemand on June 07, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
I'm in the same boat. It appears we will probably have to wait until we reach the full 1030 of activity before we go legendary. There's only another few months to go.  Sad

I was made to wait until the very end for my coronation. I felt like I'd earned that gift basket and executive lounge access. The jewel encrusted Lederhosen were the real prize.

I though you'd get an invitation to the Bitcoin cocktails at Pietilas Bitcoin Castle?

What the @%& is this system for if not decadent privilege?



Quote from: gentlemand on June 07, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
That's very noble of you.

Stupid, but noble.

Nope. Pragmatic.

My wealth would be put at the mercy of a 90 pound Russian and his wiggly code. That is not acceptable to me.

Relax, he didn't write any code. It was the dudes behind the wildly successful DAO. Your ETH are safe.



(Phew! had two consecutive posts, had to merge them before Lauda banned me)



4803. Post 19426505 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: Dabs on June 07, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
(Phew! had two consecutive posts, had to merge them before Lauda banned me)
I don't think Lauda can ban you. Lauda is no longer a mod. Let me check quickly. Yep. Can't.

thx, man

hehe, sweeeeet




4804. Post 19426822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.12h):

Quote from: GreekGeek on June 07, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
any actual news?

noob pumper painted tape too quickly. Had to be smacked down by his/her betters.



4805. Post 20196238 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.14h):

Quote from: bitserve on July 17, 2017, 05:57:53 PM
Well... as expected everything is going according to the plan:

- Segwit2x (intention) has now risen to 92.4% for the last 144 blocks
- BIP91 24.3% and growing fast

It is not unexpected that we get some more surprises and FUD in the road, but it is perfectly possible that everything goes smooth and before 1 August this issue is solved.

Also many weak hands shaken which is good for the price to keep rising.


There's still nChain to spoil the segwit party.

@LFC_Bitcoin Congratulations on your Legendary status!



4806. Post 20555126 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.16h):


Hi there

Any thoughts on BTC vs BCC price movements in the short/medium/long term?



4807. Post 20555250 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.16h):

Quote from: Ted E. Bare on August 02, 2017, 07:29:03 AM
I'm keeping both coins just in case some weird price action takes place.

Me 2

BCC sounds like a good coin to hoard

There are some interesting companies backing it

Curious to see if it holds up though

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on August 02, 2017, 07:32:11 AM

Hi there

Any thoughts on BTC vs BCC price movements in the short/medium/long term?

Hi

We expect big things! You?

Not sure. Might just trail BTC at 10% of market cap for years. Or it might grab a 1/3 market cap and keep challenging BTC for dominance.



4808. Post 20556308 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.16h):

Quote from: r0ach on August 02, 2017, 08:18:50 AM
Why are bigblocktards so dumb?

So much BCH hatred.  The blocks just want to propogate and they're met with a hate movement by Marcus & friends.



uh oh.... something must be wrong when r0ach starts preaching peace and understanding



4809. Post 20834883 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.17h):


Woop Woop!

Wazzup! Anyone care to guess where this will end?



4810. Post 20843023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.17h):

Quote from: becoin on August 13, 2017, 08:52:59 AM

Woop Woop!

Wazzup! Anyone care to guess where this will end?

You were told one month ago. It'll be $500,000 by the end of 2020.


Ok, I'll take it



4811. Post 22006155 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on September 19, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Seems we're consolidating around $4k... currently $4022USD/$4942CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

AltcoinCash creeping up ever so slowly at $474USD/$582CAD (Coinmarketcap).

After the quick recovery from $3k to $4.1k, a little breather is a good thing before continuing the climb upward.

Bitcoin's failure to crash in price despite the announced closing of China's big 3 exchanges has to be seen as extremely bullish.

We can all be grateful for the recent buying opportunity and thankful that our coins have already increased in value.

What is the correct response? "Amen" or "And so say we all"?


Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 19, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
Today on the radio they broke from weather to announce the spot prices of gold and silver and Bitcoin the digital currency. I couldn't believe my ears, really. This is about as mainstream as it gets.

Have you bought an extra big bag of candied apples from that sweet big crypto windfall yet?



4812. Post 22006479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on September 19, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

Seems we're consolidating around $4k... currently $4022USD/$4942CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

AltcoinCash creeping up ever so slowly at $474USD/$582CAD (Coinmarketcap).

After the quick recovery from $3k to $4.1k, a little breather is a good thing before continuing the climb upward.

Bitcoin's failure to crash in price despite the announced closing of China's big 3 exchanges has to be seen as extremely bullish.

We can all be grateful for the recent buying opportunity and thankful that our coins have already increased in value.

What is the correct response? "Amen" or "And so say we all"?


"Hallelujah" will do.

Or "Praised be Satoshi".

Ok then

Praised be CSW



4813. Post 22009873 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: gentlemand on September 19, 2017, 06:39:10 PM
The 'right to issue currency'. Yeah, right  Roll Eyes

That wording would not be reassuring to a Chinese miner. They're the pesky fellas issuing it.

you might even say.... they have.. issues?



4814. Post 22012510 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 19, 2017, 06:50:41 PM

Today on the radio they broke from weather to announce the spot prices of gold and silver and Bitcoin the digital currency. I couldn't believe my ears, really. This is about as mainstream as it gets.

Have you bought an extra big bag of candied apples from that sweet big crypto windfall yet?

Fatty, you seem to have become kind of a dick. What gives?

Definitely, but what exactly prompted such a revelation in the mind of my old golfing buddy BMB?

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 19, 2017, 07:05:54 PM
Sorry Fatty, I take it back! Cry

The money's gone to my head..

Yeah, yeah... stop squirming and answer the question!


Edit: Also, I thought you were supposed to take care of the JJG situation/infestation? What gives?



4815. Post 22014964 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on September 19, 2017, 08:56:45 PM

Today on the radio they broke from weather to announce the spot prices of gold and silver and Bitcoin the digital currency. I couldn't believe my ears, really. This is about as mainstream as it gets.

Have you bought an extra big bag of candied apples from that sweet big crypto windfall yet?

Fatty, you seem to have become kind of a dick. What gives?

Definitely, but what exactly prompted such a revelation in the mind of my old golfing buddy BMB?

Sorry Fatty, I take it back! Cry

The money's gone to my head..

Yeah, yeah... stop squirming and answer the question!


Edit: Also, I thought you were supposed to take care of the JJG situation/infestation? What gives?

Idk. Maybe I've joined the dark side. I can't barely tell anymore. Are you all in BCH now?


Nope, I've got as much as I got in the split. Will keep 'em just in case. Might buy some if the price gets low or just to balance the portfolio as profits stack up, but it's not high on the priority list atm. BCC/BCH is a first gen altcoin. It has an uphill battle ahead. Maybe some die hard big blockers will keep the price up, but I wouldn't put too much money on it.



4816. Post 22015328 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 19, 2017, 10:37:11 PM
your strategy

You have me confused with someone else. I don't have one of these things you speak of.

Bitcoin over invested in me. I've just been sitting here!

I don't have you mixed up, and I am just responding to your various comments, and yeah, I have been seeing your comments for a couple of years now, so maybe some of my impressions are biased based on my perceptions - but I don't have you mixed up, unless you sold your account.



4817. Post 22015734 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 19, 2017, 10:59:33 PM
your strategy

You have me confused with someone else. I don't have one of these things you speak of.

Bitcoin over invested in me. I've just been sitting here!

I don't have you mixed up, and I am just responding to your various comments, and yeah, I have been seeing your comments for a couple of years now, so maybe some of my impressions are biased based on my perceptions - but I don't have you mixed up, unless you sold your account.


Yeah.. fatty is back to this thread and making his stupid-ass nonsubstantive passive aggressive pussy attacks.    Roll Eyes

Hey!!! I'm not fat, I'm big boned. Anyways... I think you'll find that that particular posting filled an empty void in the hearts of many avid readers of this thread.



4818. Post 22039594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.21h):

Quote from: Torque on September 20, 2017, 03:18:21 PM
Instead of racism and name calling, let's talk about bigger world issues.

Like how the next big technological push seems to be AI and robots.

Earth to Google, IBM, Facebook ,and the world govts:

Hello, AI and robots won't be getting paid. Therefore they don't buy goods/services and won't be contributing to the velocity of money. They won't have student loan debt, nor will they buy homes and cars. And also they won't be paying taxes.

Seem like a good long term strategy to keep the welfare state going? Uh...

It's called effectivization. More will be produced so it's all about finding a way for society to distribute the wealth and make sure the displaced workforce gets the necessary training to take on higher value jobs. The tech is impressive, but the problem is a fairly old one. Some countries have adapted poorly while others have worked hard to take advantage of effectivization without leaving the people behind.



4819. Post 22525130 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 03, 2017, 07:17:37 PM
hmmmmm

Could be misdirection, but videos are surfacing that look like there was an M249 operating from the 4th floor.

wow, I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about

https://www.facebook.com/thepeoplesvoicetv/videos/988094561337985/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtlEb3jcttM

Definitely not "from the 32nd floor" narrative like the MSM and police continue to push.  Wink

Agree another false flag. Second (only?) shooter on the 4th floor. Classic CIA stuff here. Oswell?

Now I know why I've always felt like an outsider here. It's because you're all lunatics.

No offence. Smiley

kinda slow, aren't ya?



4820. Post 22526191 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.22h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 03, 2017, 07:42:26 PM
hmmmmm

Could be misdirection, but videos are surfacing that look like there was an M249 operating from the 4th floor.

wow, I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about

https://www.facebook.com/thepeoplesvoicetv/videos/988094561337985/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtlEb3jcttM

Definitely not "from the 32nd floor" narrative like the MSM and police continue to push.  Wink

Agree another false flag. Second (only?) shooter on the 4th floor. Classic CIA stuff here. Oswell?

Now I know why I've always felt like an outsider here. It's because you're all lunatics.

No offence. Smiley

kinda slow, aren't ya?


I guess I just needed someone to talk to. Embarrassed

I understand. The normals are so hard to talk to. They don't understand. How could they?



4821. Post 23019715 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):


WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

$18000!!!!!!!

Edit: damn, only pages



4822. Post 23019941 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 14, 2017, 10:27:52 PM

WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

$18000!!!!!!!

Edit: damn, only pages

I was promised Beanie parity. Post count parity should be right around the corner.

I fucking knew it




4823. Post 23028479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: yefi on October 14, 2017, 10:39:28 PM
Cool one Spaceman, even got a catchy theme tune now.  Cheesy


$18000!!!!!!!

Edit: damn, only pages

Oh, I thought it was your waistline. By the way, I heard they found your brother down in the London sewers recently.

My brother is skinny and gorgeous.

But I did have the runs last time I visited. Had to use wet wipes to keep my arse from bleeding.


@BMB I see you've deleted some posts to push my celebratory post to page 17999. My oh my, where have I seen this before?




4824. Post 23037276 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: CristiTCM on October 15, 2017, 09:20:33 AM

And put them where?

local wallet, cold storage man...read up

Thanks, i've found some desktop wallets but not sure which is the best/safest, what you recommend? And if desktop wallet is a program, a virus on my computer could infect it?

https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/ledger-nano-s

https://shop.trezor.io/?h=7472657a6f722e696f



4825. Post 23046987 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: DaRude on October 15, 2017, 03:03:17 PM

Dimon is a fool & hasn’t got a clue about the path that bitcoin is taking. Anybody who reacts to comments by him is an idiot.

I totally agree. What an ignorant comment. Not everyone has a $30 million annual salary that they can just "not care" about Bitcoin. Such arrogance in his uneducated opinion.


Quote
My formerly smart daughter.
why he keeps busting on his daughter? Not sure which one owns BTCs
[img ]http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4b81bf540000000000d854c7-400/julia-dimon-daughter-of-jpmorgan-ceo-jamie.jpg[/img]
[img ]http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4b81c9c00000000000b1776a-400/and-laura-dimon.jpg[/img]
[img ]http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4b81c41f00000000005bf485-400/and-kara-leigh-dimon.jpg[/img]

They all made it to Introducing Wall Street's Hottest Offspring http://www.businessinsider.com/introducing-wall-streets-hottest-offspring-2010-2

Dimon also says it can go to $100K. Now I understand why they say stupid people are happier.


"I could care less what bitcoin trades for, how it trades, why it trades, who trades it. If you're stupid enough to buy it, you'll pay the price for it one day. I've also told people that it can trade at $100,000 before it trades to zero. Tulip bulbs traded for $75,000 or something like that."



4826. Post 23055578 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on October 15, 2017, 05:26:25 PM
Can someone tell me when the exact day is of the S2X fork?
Looking to liquidate a coin or two but prefer to do it AFTER the fork.

theoretically on block 494784 , so approx 18 Nov
but don't trust those sods

https://segwit2x.github.io/segwit2x-announce.html

I hope the CoreCoin drop will be worth something. A slightly inferior coin with 1 miner controlling 80% of the hashing power doesn't sound too tasty.



4827. Post 23056671 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on October 15, 2017, 06:54:25 PM
I hope the CoreCoin drop will be worth something. A slightly inferior coin with 1 miner controlling 80% of the hashing power doesn't sound too tasty.

Don't you have some altcrash forum to troll in?

Why so touchy? It won't affect BTC. But we'll all be CoreCoin hodlers, so it would be nice to hear some thoughts. Dump immediately or wait for some vanity rally, like with ETC?



4828. Post 23057087 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 15, 2017, 07:24:18 PM
I hope the CoreCoin drop will be worth something. A slightly inferior coin with 1 miner controlling 80% of the hashing power doesn't sound too tasty.

Don't you have some altcrash forum to troll in?

Why so touchy? It won't affect BTC. But we'll all be CoreCoin hodlers, so it would be nice to hear some thoughts. Dump immediately or wait for some vanity rally, like with ETC?

Dump both and move to Thailand. You?

Not too keen. Norwegians aren't too popular in Thailand. We mainly treat that country like a sex shop, so it sounds like a tense existence.



4829. Post 23057250 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on October 15, 2017, 07:25:58 PM
I hope the CoreCoin drop will be worth something. A slightly inferior coin with 1 miner controlling 80% of the hashing power doesn't sound too tasty.

Don't you have some altcrash forum to troll in?

Why so touchy? It won't affect BTC. But we'll all be CoreCoin hodlers, so it would be nice to hear some thoughts. Dump immediately or wait for some vanity rally, like with ETC?

I will dump whatever alt should come out of a fork a.s.a.p. I did it with Bcash and it paid out handsomely.

I held on to Bitcoin Cash, just in case. I might consider it with CoreCoin too, but I don't really see the point. Its strongest card is its devs, but they clearly have a problem with cooperating with the community. Also, who knows who will stay when shit hits the fan. Some of them are flexible and have worked with alts, so they might just shift focus entirely.



4830. Post 23057283 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: bones261 on October 15, 2017, 07:32:23 PM


Not too keen. Norwegians aren't too popular in Thailand. We mainly treat that country like a sex shop, so it sounds like a tense existence.

I was under the impression that tourists of all nationalities treat Thailand as a sex shop.

idk, never been there.

So you think I will blend in?



4831. Post 23058081 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: kellrobinson on October 15, 2017, 07:52:09 PM


Not too keen. Norwegians aren't too popular in Thailand. We mainly treat that country like a sex shop, so it sounds like a tense existence.

I was under the impression that tourists of all nationalities treat Thailand as a sex shop.
Have you ever been to Thailand, or do you merely traffic in stereotypes?
I spent time in Thailand two years ago.  I visited Bangkok and took the train to Chiang Mai, among other things.
And I spent some time last year visiting friends in Stavanger, on the western coast of Norway.
When I read the kind of thing I see in this thread, it makes me wonder who is doing the talking, and why they're saying such things.  I'd bet 0.001 XBT that the guy who says he's Norwegian hasn't been to Thailand, and that you haven't been there either.

That's a fairly random bet. How do you check that? Can I just say I've been and you'll send me 0.001 BTC (what's that after tx fees anyway?)?



4832. Post 23058896 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: jojo69 on October 15, 2017, 08:26:19 PM
community



Good point, well made.

Ehrrmm... I'm sorry. What?



4833. Post 23059216 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: bones261 on October 15, 2017, 07:45:12 PM


Not too keen. Norwegians aren't too popular in Thailand. We mainly treat that country like a sex shop, so it sounds like a tense existence.

I was under the impression that tourists of all nationalities treat Thailand as a sex shop.

idk, never been there.

So you think I will blend in?

If you are bald and fat, you may be quite the hit. I heard in the past, the more a man resembles Buddha,the more attractive they are to the youngsters at Thailand. Could be wrong though since my source was my first boyfriend who was an old toll chicken hawk back in the late 80's/ early 90s. I probably could have done better, but I was the proverbial pencil neck geek. (Still am, just not a pencil anymore.)

I guess I could shave my head.



4834. Post 23094993 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on October 15, 2017, 09:25:49 PM
I hope the CoreCoin drop will be worth something. A slightly inferior coin with 1 miner controlling 80% of the hashing power doesn't sound too tasty.

Don't you have some altcrash forum to troll in?

Why so touchy? It won't affect BTC. But we'll all be CoreCoin hodlers, so it would be nice to hear some thoughts. Dump immediately or wait for some vanity rally, like with ETC?

I will dump whatever alt should come out of a fork a.s.a.p. I did it with Bcash and it paid out handsomely.

I held on to Bitcoin Cash, just in case. I might consider it with CoreCoin too, but I don't really see the point. Its strongest card is its devs, but they clearly have a problem with cooperating with the community. Also, who knows who will stay when shit hits the fan. Some of them are flexible and have worked with alts, so they might just shift focus entirely.

You are really on a nonsense streak today... more than usual.   Roll Eyes

Maybe. We'll see.



4835. Post 23106333 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on October 16, 2017, 06:28:00 PM

I don't remember who said that the biggest threat to bitcoin is posed by the fact that many real devs are public figures. I think that's a major drawback.
I am so much glad that Satoshi still keeps his/her/their identity hidden.
Creating the most important threat to the financial 1% is not a prank.

It's only a problem for a crypto who dev team has an official "head" dev like Ethereum does. Or like BCH, lol.

Bitcoin has 100+ voluntary developers.

I'm surprised some Russian gangsters haven't ordered a contract on Vitalik to coincide with an epic margin short. It's a sure thing.

*That was probably my most morbid speculation ever.

Vitalik has some pretty gangsta friends of his own




4836. Post 23134791 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: Torque on October 17, 2017, 12:56:06 AM
~6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms of gold created quite far away https://www.instagram.com/p/BaUYHuCnXKQ/

Dark matter and space-time are to humans like the ocean is to fish.... the fish aren't aware of the "substance" they swim in and thus have no way to discern it and separate it from their reality.

[ img width=250]http://i.giphy.com/media/EldfH1VJdbrwY/giphy.gif[/img]

Is this a quote from our fellow bitcoiner Vegas Luna?

Fish are unaware of most things. They are fish.

Humans, on the other hand, are very aware of dark matter and space-time.

I believe you yourself wrote something about dark matter and space-time in the very post I am responding to.



4837. Post 23134975 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: Lauda on October 17, 2017, 11:53:23 AM
bch +30% and bitcoin is dipping. looks like shitcoin supporters are pushing it.
Ver is once again pushing it with lies and bullshit.

Plus, it bottomed and Bitcoin Core is heading for another fork which might may or may not make Luke-Jr and Gmax shitcoin generals and Lauda its Comical Ali.

Funny story, Gmax is a chain of sportswear shops in Scandinavia.



Edit: They're also a bit outdated. I bought some socks there, brand was Frank Shorter. The music they played in the roof speakers was Culture Club.



4838. Post 23136108 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: Darkbot on October 17, 2017, 12:13:01 PM
bch +30% and bitcoin is dipping. looks like shitcoin supporters are pushing it.
Ver is once again pushing it with lies and bullshit.

Plus, it bottomed and Bitcoin Core is heading for another fork which might may or may not make Luke-Jr and Gmax shitcoin generals and Lauda its Comical Ali.

Funny story, Gmax is a chain of sportswear shops in Scandinavia.



Edit: They're also a bit outdated. I bought some socks there, brand was Frank Shorter. The music they played in the roof speakers was Culture Club.

F.U.D.

R.I.P. r/btc troll Fatman

BCC bottomed is fud? Bitcoin is forking is fud? Also, when did I get a reddit account?

Or was it the Frank Shorter story that tipped you over the edge of not-quite-thought-through?

Take a look: https://www.gsport.no/produkt/147877/frank-shorter-vilis-teknisk-treningssokk-2pk#901



4839. Post 23146996 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):

Quote from: gembitz on October 17, 2017, 03:33:50 PM
alt rally woot! Cool weee

who the fork buys stellar? lmao


IBM



4840. Post 23282862 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):




$6000






4841. Post 23286202 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.23h):


Our dear Rev. Satoshi Nakamoto has spoken:

https://www.yours.org/content/my-past-with-the-ufa-54729249bf2e/



4842. Post 23346749 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):

Quote from: yefi on October 22, 2017, 03:29:12 AM

Ok, so that's rather depressing Undecided Knew the guy had mental health issues, but always took him as benign.

Well, he was a racist fascist with an emphasis on antisemitism before he ran off with the xmr. But I guess that counts for benign in Cryptoland.



4843. Post 23351241 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on October 22, 2017, 06:18:26 AM
Well, he was a racist fascist with an emphasis on antisemitism before he ran off with the xmr. But I guess that counts for benign in Cryptoland.

Cryptoland is not a safe space for SJW. And your nonsensical labels have no value.

about reptilia I'm sorry for him and whoever got burned by him. Next time maybe don't invest in a game. I used to like some of his posts though.

Terms like "racist", "fascist" and "antisemitism" are pretty well established words with clearly defined meanings.

"SJW" otoh is short for a truly nonsensical label. It's bigoted right wing nutter code for "not a bigoted asshole".




4844. Post 23353289 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on October 22, 2017, 08:44:36 AM
Terms like "racist", "fascist" and "antisemitism" are pretty well established words with clearly defined meanings.

what does it mean "semite"? do you know it?

The word used was "antisemitism". Its meaning is very clear.

Besides, if you need to deconstruct language to weasel yourself out of your position you might want to ask yourself why
you took that position in the first place.

Quote
"SJW" otoh is short for a truly nonsensical label. It's bigoted right wing nutter code for "not a bigoted asshole".

Go to play the political correctness kommissar somewhere else. With me it does not work.

This isn't your thread. I'm pretty sure the thread starter is ok with me posting here. Nor did I originally address you.

So you can go and fuck right off yourself if you want.



4845. Post 23356107 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):

Quote from: Ibian on October 22, 2017, 10:03:10 AM
Terms like "racist", "fascist" and "antisemitism" are pretty well established words with clearly defined meanings.
Yeah, they mean someone you don't like.

"SJW" otoh is short for a truly nonsensical label. It's bigoted right wing nutter code for "not a bigoted asshole".
It means someone who, much like a small child, throws a tantrum when encountering someone he does not like.

Drop dead Ibian



Hey Conspirosphere! Mr.Stormfront himself is here to back you up. Lucky you!

https://youtu.be/l7QAiz2DQgY?t=20



4846. Post 23361690 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):

Quote from: pennywise on October 22, 2017, 12:04:52 PM
Drop dead Ibian


Oh, look, we got ourselves a triggered SJW!

So much for a movement of tolerance. Tolerance, established by fascist methods, maybe.

Don't be that guy




4847. Post 23379875 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.24h):

Quote from: mike4001 on October 22, 2017, 07:47:09 PM
Why are people dumping before the Oct. 25 fork Huh

Because nobody gives a flying fuck about Bitcoin Gold.



4848. Post 24437597 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.26h):




Thus Spoke Craig "Satoshi" Wright : "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."





4849. Post 26784212 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):


Soooo...... anyone bought a boat lately?



4850. Post 26789916 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.34h):

Quote from: RayX12 on December 22, 2017, 02:19:37 PM

Soooo...... anyone bought a boat lately?
confirmed

congrats!



4851. Post 26826648 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.35h):

Quote from: Ibian on December 22, 2017, 04:11:38 PM
Huh? Oh, yeah. Got two of em. Almost willing to give one away just to get rid of the hassle of having to sell it. Thinking about buying one more too.

Let me guess. "Tirpitz" and "Bismarck"?



4852. Post 27835035 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.37h):



Are you guys ready to see BTC lose that no.1 spot on coinmarketcap?



4853. Post 27837621 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.37h):

Quote from: pfrtlpfmpf on January 10, 2018, 11:58:38 AM
btc price 10 Jan 17 $883
today $14120  I can live with that
I only look at the yearly chart too.

Yep, it really depends on how much you initially invested into it. I may not get superrich with it, but itīs a blast. Even if it goes down by half, or so.
People forget the timeline here. My bank would have given me one or two percent for my money, per fcking year !
No risk, no fun.



You enter the category of "superrich" at 30 million USD. I suspect a lot of the old bitcoiners in this thread are getting fairly close soon.



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4856. Post 32573872 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.48h):


Yo, dudes and dudettes!

How ya doin?

Everyone getting their apocalyptic tan on?



4857. Post 32574124 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.48h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on March 12, 2018, 04:02:12 AM
the BTC ballcap.
One day you and I are going to have to have a really candid talk about the implications of people coming aboard and getting rekt. I'm not proud of everything we've accomplished here.

217th Rule of Acquisition : You can't free a fish from water.



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4861. Post 35509283 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: jbreher on April 24, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
there is no objective way of measuring 'the majority of end users'.
The price.

So... Apple is The Real Bitcoin!?

Quote
Also fuck off already, nobody wants you here.

waah! waah!

Damn boy! You so rich you just be trolling all day.

Crypto has treated us all good!




4862. Post 35510054 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on April 24, 2018, 09:36:19 PM
yuh almost all the legendaries round here are xmr infiltrators Cool

Yah, the noble moneroistas. So nobly fucking up every opportunity to grow and expand.



thx for the meme, libitx



4863. Post 35510696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: doc12 on April 24, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
yuh almost all the legendaries round here are xmr infiltrators Cool

Yah, the noble moneroistas. So nobly fucking up every opportunity to grow and expand.



thx for the meme, libitx

At least they transformed bitmains X3 farm into a huge doorstopper, thats quite noble, isnt it  Grin

It's noble as f***.

As is refusing to cooperate with Trezor for inclusion in their HW wallet.

And deliberately fucking over traders who thought they might finally get to make some money on their favorite anon coin.

It's soooo noble.

As is taking their rightful place as the 12th crypto despite being the only worthy alt for most bitcoiners. Right below TRON((?) i thought that was a shitty movie with a shitty remake?).

Yah, Monero is nobly noble noble. That's for sure.

Oh man, they're noble.

Be sure to buy some so you can get fucked over by the noble Monero community over and over again. It hurts, but it's kind of liberating as well. Because it's so noble to lose your money that way.



4864. Post 35536126 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: Rosewater Foundation on April 25, 2018, 05:50:48 AM
Honestly, I think we're in for one helluva winter.

moron

A large number of posters quote themselves to show how "smart" they were.  You tend to do the opposite.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Don't let the fancy new moniker fool you. I'm just as blind as ever. Roll Eyes

wtf man, what happened to the mayor?



4865. Post 35587944 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on April 25, 2018, 08:59:12 AM
Honestly, I think we're in for one helluva winter.

moron

A large number of posters quote themselves to show how "smart" they were.  You tend to do the opposite.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Don't let the fancy new moniker fool you. I'm just as blind as ever. Roll Eyes

wtf man, what happened to the mayor?

nothing really. just moved to LA
you see him running round town occasionally





Weeeeeeeeeee!!!!

Porkchops here as well!!!!

bullish



4866. Post 35695249 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: jojo69 on April 26, 2018, 10:36:01 PM
the rocket


is lunched

yah, for real




4867. Post 35695894 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on April 27, 2018, 07:11:40 AM
Isn’t it about time that BCH died by now?
How much longer wilo they continue to flog this dead horse?

I’m greatful for the free money (which I transferred into bitcoin) but come on, enough is enough.

Be careful what you wish for.

it's an alt based on Bitcoin so I for one both hope and believe it will stay secure, alive and kicking.

I don't want any dead canaries.



4868. Post 35712602 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 27, 2018, 08:21:24 AM
Isn’t it about time that BCH died by now?
How much longer wilo they continue to flog this dead horse?

I’m greatful for the free money (which I transferred into bitcoin) but come on, enough is enough.

Be careful what you wish for.

it's an alt based on Bitcoin so I for one both hope and believe it will stay secure, alive and kicking.

I don't want any dead canaries.

Fatty is back from r/btc and other BIG blocker friendly forums to pump some of his/her learnings regarding bcash...  Cry  wants to edumacate us ignorant folks about the benevolence of bcash and all that it offers (supposedly)...



Perhaps the fatty has not heard about the bcash wall observer thread that we got's our selves on this forum that allows fatties and any others to on-topic spread the bcash/BIG blocker word on this here forum for us peeps?

Fuck off JJG! I don't have a reddit account.

Just wanted to shoot the shit with the liverpoodlian and other oldtimers.

Why don't you go and finish that lobotomy you've started?



4869. Post 35712822 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.53h):


What a difference 5 years make!

It used to be "who is this annoying shit NLC?" now it's more like "Who's not NLC?".

JJG, you're the most annoying iteration thus far.

Kudos Porkchops!



4870. Post 36023072 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.54h):

Happy May Day!!!



Workers Of The World Unite!



4871. Post 39837266 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.57h):

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on June 10, 2018, 10:16:29 PM
$6800 will actually be an "almost triple-bottom". Exact triple-bottom should be at around $6600:



Touched it, bitcoin has successfully made a sweet triple bottom. Smiley

We'll see. That bottom looks ripe to get penetrated.



4872. Post 40639107 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):

hmmmm.... not sure about the market nowadays

reminds me of something I read the other day


"The day that soared up from earths furthermost strand
Augmenting with blood — and with firebrand
It grew with terror - like a breath that was lost
It seemed like the starlight - was slain by the frost."



4873. Post 40643642 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 22, 2018, 07:21:51 AM
hmmmm.... not sure about the market nowadays

Not surprising that you don't know much.  You were part of the doom and gloom BIG blocker nutjob crowd in early 2017.  Why you want to come around now and spew some more doom and gloom?  Doubtful that you would really have any meaningful (especially when it relates to actual bitcoin rather than attacks on bitcoin) contribution, anyhow, right?

Hey, man.

It wasn't aimed directly at you ya know. We all have different strategies.
Some like to make money. Some like to buy the top and masturbate furiously down to the bottom.
As I remember you got some nice buys in at the 2013 top, I bet you got some sweet buys in near the 20k top too.

Now, I'm not judging.
It's just different strokes, you know.
Of course you know.

I can just imagine you sitting there watching your money getting flushed down the drain.
Smiling. Drooling. Angrily beating away at that three inch killa.

We all have to accept each other for who we are.

And I, for one, I salute you!!!




4874. Post 40648644 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 22, 2018, 08:13:47 AM
hmmmm.... not sure about the market nowadays

Not surprising that you don't know much.  You were part of the doom and gloom BIG blocker nutjob crowd in early 2017.  Why you want to come around now and spew some more doom and gloom?  Doubtful that you would really have any meaningful (especially when it relates to actual bitcoin rather than attacks on bitcoin) contribution, anyhow, right?

Hey, man.

It wasn't aimed directly at you ya know. We all have different strategies.
Some like to make money. Some like to buy the top and masturbate furiously down to the bottom.
As I remember you got some nice buys in at the 2013 top, I bet you got some sweet buys in near the 20k top too.

Now, I'm not judging.
It's just different strokes, you know.
Of course you know.

I can just imagine you sitting there watching your money getting flushed down the drain.
Smiling. Drooling. Angrily beating away at that three inch killa.

We all have to accept each other for who we are.

And I, for one, I salute you!!!



Why don't you go beat off with your bcash pumping somewhere else?   You really think that when you come to the wall observer thread that you can affect the BTC prices with your negativity about BTC?  Why don't you go employ your multi-coin strategy in another thread?  Oh no, you want to impart some of your alt coin pumping wisdom, here?

My BTC portfolio and finances are doing quite well.  Remember BTC prices went up from $250 to $19,666.  

Sure we are in a bit of a correction right now, but still feels good to have BTC up 26x from the $250 prices that dominated 2015.... so investing and accumulating BTC has been a very profitable strategy for a large number of folks who have not gotten too distracted.

Yeah, so fucking what if you made more money by investing in other coins and moving your shit around.. (that is if you did), because the odds are not quite with you if you are all over the fucking place.  

I am not here to compete against you or anyone else regarding the performance of my investment because I have engaged in a strategy to tailor my investment for myself.. if you did happen to make decent money through other projects then good for you, but this is a BTC thread, and, if you are not here to talk about BTC then you are off topic, so why don't you go roll with your other alt coin and ico scam investment in other threads?

I came here with poetry befitting the current state of affairs in Bitcoin, and you, without provocation, attacked me.
I turned the other cheek and held out an olive branch.
The rest, your insecurity about you finances, your immense regret about not grabbing the low hanging fruits in the alt market to increase your BTC stack, and your fear of having bet on the wrong Bitcoin; that's on you. Now, it doesn't bother me that much that you're trying to project all of this onto me, but as a fellow human being I do find it appropriate to point out to you what you're doing. At the very least so you can face the future knowing that you've chosen your delusions, and as such are a self-realized individual.



4875. Post 40652836 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on June 22, 2018, 09:55:21 AM
[edited out]

I came here with poetry befitting the current state of affairs in Bitcoin, and you, without provocation, attacked me.
I turned the other cheek and held out an olive branch.
The rest, your insecurity about you finances, your immense regret about not grabbing the low hanging fruits in the alt market to increase your BTC stack, and your fear of having bet on the wrong Bitcoin; that's on you. Now, it doesn't bother me that much that you're trying to project all of this onto me, but as a fellow human being I do find it appropriate to point out to you what you're doing. At the very least so you can face the future knowing that you've chosen your delusions, and as such are a self-realized individual.

You are full of shit, when you are trying to project what you believe to be my own perspective, and my financial position, based on your wishful thinking rather than any kind of meaningful and specific knowledge. 

Further, your actions speak for themselves with your continued pussified denigration attempts at bitcoin while pumping (or at least talking up) other crypto projects, as if those other crypto projects had any kind of reasonable and meaningful semblance of equality rather than being leeching off of the good will, work and creativity of bitcoin.  They are the tail and not the dog... and you should realize by now, that the dog wags the tail, and the tail does not wag the dog.. hello?

And, I have already indicated to you that my bitcoin-related finances are doing quite well, and such "well" status should be understood by facts on the ground regarding my ongoing strategy to accumulate BTC... however, instead you want to project some kind of made up bullshit onto my finances.. while really not showing your own situation on an ongoing basis, except your situation was to sell bitcoin and not to accumulate, even though such accumulation strategy would have likely been the smarter (and more adult) move. 

I have no reason to be stressed about this total bitcoin status given the BTC fundamentals and the generous equity cushion in which I find that aspect of my BTC investment.... Do you understand that there are not a lot of investments that you can get multiples of returns in just a few years, so anyone pursuing a BTC holding and accumulating strategy would have done quite well in the past few years of bitcoin.... especially anyone who had largely established his position before mid-2017.. and of course, I was into accumulating bitcoin well before mid-2017, as you seem to acknowledge. ... you alt coin pumping, bitcoin denigrating delusional fuck.    Tongue

There you go.
Don't worry. I've seen it all before.
Just keep going.
This kind of catharsis is what you need to move on.
I'm rooting for you!



4876. Post 40791740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):



I call the bottom.

BUY!!! BUY!!! BUY!!!




4877. Post 40792327 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_15.59h):

Quote from: Rosewater Foundation on June 24, 2018, 11:04:35 AM

Who do you work for? Roll Eyes

I'm sorry, man. Did I do it wrong? I thought that's what you said.



4878. Post 41905142 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.00h):

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on July 10, 2018, 01:23:46 PM
r0ach should be here gloating. I guess he has a day job.

Yah, fascism is on the rise. coincident? I think not.



4879. Post 42447023 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.01h):



friggin jjg observer

Adam, where art thou?



4880. Post 44212333 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.05h):


Yo doodz! Where the bottom party at?



4881. Post 44213001 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.05h):

Quote from: nanobtc on August 17, 2018, 12:51:05 AM

Yo doodz! Where the bottom party at?

Hi Fatty. Bob will be along, soon.

Cool! Bring Pete and Nauseous Mike too!



4882. Post 47968554 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.13h):



https://twitter.com/checksum0/status/1063495918970970114

More drama

I'll go make some popcorn



4883. Post 47968785 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.13h):

update

https://twitter.com/checksum0/status/1063532895304859648



4884. Post 47970575 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.13h):

Quote from: infofront on November 16, 2018, 10:12:38 PM
We now have another faketoshi on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/satoshi/status/1063516638870478848

This is Craig Wright, pretending to be Satoshi again. Apparently, he managed to sign a message with Hal Finney's private key, somehow. (Edit: or he might've pulled up an old Hal Finney signature)

The scuttlebutt is that he signed it in a non-standard way, kind of like when he "signed" a message as Satoshi to convince Gavin that he's Satoshi.

Unless you know how to check this yourself you might want to wait with the conclusions until some more people who can check this have.




4885. Post 47978498 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.13h):

Quote from: kenzawak on November 17, 2018, 07:37:04 AM
1 year ago Ver, Wu and Craig were dumping all their Bitcoins for bcash buying at 900$ to 3000$. Now all their money are gone forever! bcash is dead and these crooks are poor again! There is God! I have only one more request to God: Let Bitcoin rise to new ATH's while these crooks are agonizing with losses as heavy as this forever!  Grin Grin Grin



The picture on the left isn't Craig, it's Simon Cowell. He's setting up another boy band.

Backstreet Oldboys



4886. Post 47978681 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.13h):

Quote from: kenzawak on November 17, 2018, 08:52:06 AM
1 year ago Ver, Wu and Craig were dumping all their Bitcoins for bcash buying at 900$ to 3000$. Now all their money are gone forever! bcash is dead and these crooks are poor again! There is God! I have only one more request to God: Let Bitcoin rise to new ATH's while these crooks are agonizing with losses as heavy as this forever!  Grin Grin Grin



The picture on the left isn't Craig, it's Simon Cowell. He's setting up another boy band.

Backstreet Oldboys

Not sure the one on the right is him either...  Grin

idk. Pictures from the future tend to be a bit grainy

Edit: Kinda looks like John McAfee on a Monday



4887. Post 49984385 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.34h):

I just read this:

https://www.newsbtc.com/2019/03/01/bitcoin-seastead/

Congratulations Elwar!!!

Nicely done!



4888. Post 50096931 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.35h):

Quote from: serveria.com on March 10, 2019, 06:27:05 AM
The state of the market's cryptocurrency is currently displayed in this photo.  Sand is the unwillingness and opposition to Bitcoin adoption.  The guys who push the car are HODLers.  The car is Bitcoin.





And the guys watching it (u can see their shadows on the sand) and the guy with the camera are us - WO thread members.
Yah, the guys pushing are buyers. HODLers ain't doing shit.



4889. Post 50661621 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.42h):


Yo Elwar, read the news. Best of luck to you.




4890. Post 50661728 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.42h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on April 18, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
Hey Jay...f*ck off. This AWOL has gone on long enough..time to check in.   Kiss

I fear the wall of text upon his return is going to be substantial.

 ...and if he's got a story to tell one can only imagine the mountain of text.


I'm pretty sure he disappeared when they were testing a new antivirus suite for the Bitcointalk servers.



4891. Post 50685389 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.42h):

@Last of the V8s

did you retire the JJG account?

did it steal too much time, perhaps?

......oh I see

NLC has a girlfriend/boyfriend/sheep nowadays



4892. Post 50724482 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.42h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on April 20, 2019, 09:37:57 AM
Yes I've put the JJG bot into read-only mode for the past few days.
Spring is here and he starts to feel a stirring in his algos, a yearning for fellow bots of the female variety.
It's a dangerous time for him as well as frankly for us; we do not want these things to proliferate.
Look what happened last year; I let the experiment run a bit and we were left with the cryotourist bot, the slammielayer bot, the kingnocoiner bot; all hideous aberrations with their views and dodgy deals and fake interests in shitcoins and counterarguments and whatnot.

ok then



4893. Post 50852353 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.44h):


WORKERS REJOICE!!!

IT'S THE FIRST OF MAY!!!








4894. Post 50852445 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.44h):


CONGRATULATIONS AND SALUTATIONS!






4895. Post 50852481 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.44h):


THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES!








4896. Post 50852544 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.44h):

Quote from: hisslyness on May 01, 2019, 02:12:18 PM


Too little information.

Which one bought Bitcoin?



4897. Post 50852747 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.44h):

Quote from: Globb0 on May 01, 2019, 02:29:31 PM
So I am guessing you missed out the college just like me but you are street smart Cheesy

I did miss Some of those yes only high-school myself....

I went to graduate school for an advanced degree in Neuoscience and I can tell you it means fuckall in terms of acquiring real life/world experience. The only 2 things I got out of it were:

1. A $30,000 student loan
2. Concrete proof that people who value intellect and associated status over all else are are massive cunts.

There's obviously more than one way to be smart. That's another thing I learned.




Larry now sends all his pay to Laura for their baby

LMAO!!



4898. Post 52280824 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.59h):



Yo peepz!

How you guyz doin?

Anyone here keeping an eye on those satoshi coins?



4899. Post 52280853 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.59h):


And why do everyone here wear those stupid caps?



4900. Post 52285574 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_16.59h):

Quote from: SuperTA on August 27, 2019, 10:58:41 AM

And why do everyone here wear those stupid caps?

Because it's cool. Do you think your black & white pic is cooler?  Cool

yes



4901. Post 52296387 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.00h):


Even Torque is into this crap!?!?!

Why the caps? Is it some kind of MAGA crap?

Anyhew.... Does anyone know what Gavin is doing nowadays?

Wouldn't mind some sanity now.



4902. Post 52296446 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.00h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on August 28, 2019, 09:29:27 PM

Even Torque is into this crap!?!?!

Why the caps? Is it some kind of MAGA crap?

Anyhew.... Does anyone know what Gavin is doing nowadays?

Wouldn't mind some sanity now.

Wtf man................ if a CAP is meaning not sane...? Then I suggest to go see a doctor, just explain me what is wrong with those HAT’s Roll Eyes

Me is going to do a very sane thing, catching a fine high 4-digit HODLsleep, hope for 5-digit in the morning Cheesy

Clearly you missed my "Anyhew...."


Quote from: gentlemand on August 28, 2019, 09:32:53 PM
Anyhew.... Does anyone know what Gavin is doing nowadays?

Wouldn't mind some sanity now.

He was broken by a fat Australian. You will find no sanity in his house.

I've heard he spends his days talking to his model train set and making Close Encounters style mountains out of mashed potato.

Hmmm..... I'm fat. I like mashed potatoes.
Now it's just a matter of figuring out where he lives and invite him back to Bitcoin.



4903. Post 52296604 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.00h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on August 28, 2019, 09:52:02 PM

Even Torque is into this crap!?!?!

Why the caps? Is it some kind of MAGA crap?

Anyhew.... Does anyone know what Gavin is doing nowadays?

Wouldn't mind some sanity now.

 Keep calm and wear a hat.  Here's a temporary one:




ugh...



4904. Post 52383566 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.01h):

Quote from: JSRAW on September 07, 2019, 04:39:18 AM

Not cool bro, we have a mixed bag of posters here from young to old. Every age group loves and enjoy nudity here, but there is a limit to everything. Please respect that boundary and don't turn this thread into a porn site.

Some might be okay with this, but many will not because you are a new poster. You already got a red tag for BCH's post which I don't agree, but you are not helping your case either.

PS : Not bashing you just letting you know.


Ah... Lauda still abusing the Trust system I see.



4905. Post 52421152 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.01h):

Quote from: Arriemoller on September 11, 2019, 05:14:00 AM
I know some of you don't like this, but I just can't hold it in.
Special forces.

I did not LOL. I swear.



4906. Post 52476744 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.01h):

Quote from: JimboToronto on September 16, 2019, 04:06:05 PM
Damn!
Real life got me in the wrong moment!

EDIT:
I swear I saw  serveria.com message as the winner.

Yes me too.

Someone has deleted posts, this is not serious, gentlemen.

Remember page 10000?

That was some serious deletion jockeying.


Damn dude, you're on the 10k page!!! I was posting like a mofo to stay on the 10k page.

Quote from: JimboToronto on December 07, 2014, 01:42:27 AM
Blablabla


you just angry because you were shorting and price didnt drop a bit   Grin Grin Grin



LOL You can't blame him for lashing out in frustration when his trolling doesn't work.

Ok, I see the first post on the page is an NLC post. I guess that explains the deletion thingy.

I was sure adamstgBit was involved.



4907. Post 52476841 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.01h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 17, 2019, 05:18:10 AM
This is getting boring.

Only a couple weeks to Q4 and still over $10K though. The only thing I would not expect at all is the price to keep sideways for too much longer.

Anyway... this is (still) fine.

Fine does not equal boring


and


Boring does not equal fine




Not in bitcoinlandia.


Get a grip, or I am sending batman out.    Tongue Tongue Tongue      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

There was no claim of a necessary relationship between the two. Just that the two occurred at the same time.
For someone so fond of writing you're quite shit at reading.

On a different note. Nice to see you're working on that brevity thing. Could still cull some dead space though.



4908. Post 52477629 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.01h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 17, 2019, 06:07:00 AM
This is getting boring.

Only a couple weeks to Q4 and still over $10K though. The only thing I would not expect at all is the price to keep sideways for too much longer.

Anyway... this is (still) fine.

Fine does not equal boring


and


Boring does not equal fine




Not in bitcoinlandia.


Get a grip, or I am sending batman out.    Tongue Tongue Tongue      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

There was no claim of a necessary relationship between the two. Just that the two occurred at the same time.
For someone so fond of writing you're quite shit at reading.

On a different note. Nice to see you're working on that brevity thing. Could still cull some dead space though.


Don't you have some BIG blocks to promote somewhere else, fatty?   Or you want to pleasure us with your BIG block worshiping, even though in these parts, we don't give any shits about your various bitcoin attack vector predilections and wishing for onchain scaling or whatever other nonsensical talking points might be your current whining hobby in thinking that there is something wrong with bitcoin.

There you go! Reasonably short without all that dead space. Well done!

Big blocks? Yah, what can I say. Follies of youth I guess. Sure good there was nothing to worry about.

https://cryptobriefing.com/ln-nodes-lightning-network/



4909. Post 52477845 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.01h):

Quote from: nutildah on September 17, 2019, 07:22:57 AM
I've always guessed that JJG was a well-educated American....

Is that a dig at the american education system?

The guy is barely literate at times.



4910. Post 52478249 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.01h):

Quote from: nutildah on September 17, 2019, 08:12:34 AM
I've always guessed that JJG was a well-educated American....

Is that a dig at the american education system?

The guy is barely literate at times.

Long-winded and disjointed is hardly the same thing as being "barely literate."

Plus he uses too many American colloquialisms and idioms to be anything other than American.

I'd like to see an example of his writing that you consider to be "barely literate."

I'm not arguing that he's not American. It was the "well-educated" bit that didn't quite ring true.

Here's a recent example of his less than stellar reading comprehension:

Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 17, 2019, 05:26:08 AM
This is getting boring.

Only a couple weeks to Q4 and still over $10K though. The only thing I would not expect at all is the price to keep sideways for too much longer.

Anyway... this is (still) fine.

Fine does not equal boring


and


Boring does not equal fine




Not in bitcoinlandia.


Get a grip, or I am sending batman out.    Tongue Tongue Tongue      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

There was no claim of a necessary relationship between the two. Just that the two occurred at the same time.
For someone so fond of writing you're quite shit at reading.

On a different note. Nice to see you're working on that brevity thing. Could still cull some dead space though.


You can also look at this older text:

Quote from: JayJuanGee on March 29, 2014, 08:19:34 PM
And, sometimes in this thread, I am amazed by the quantity of FUD and naysayers participated herein b/c in reality a forum such as this should have a larger percentage of bulls and circle jerkers... instead we are continuously dealing with the negativity .. and maybe some of them are legitimate bears investing in BTC and trying to profit off of shorts, etc etc... but others seem to be engaged in a sort of sabotage attempt, manipulation and disinformation campaign that seems to be coming from another deeper and eviler place and yes seems likely that they are being paid by someone...   Maybe NOT government agencies, but more likely by financial institutions.. but there could be some government entities that are motivated and or funded by banking-type interests?  which we know that this frequently occurs when wars are fought over oil and resources.. the USA people do NOT necessarily profit in any kind of meaningful way as compared with the billions in profits that go into private hands of the filthy rich.

This is hardly academic level writing. This was before evil JJG was born. JJG Mark I was mostly polite and considerate. He turned cruel around the Blocksize debacle, which might indicate that he was quite young back then.

This example was kinda readable, but there are other walls of text with literally no content. If you do find them you should lean back and marvel at their glory. Warning: they may lead to a massive headache. 



4911. Post 52493570 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 17, 2019, 02:42:27 PM
This is getting boring.

Only a couple weeks to Q4 and still over $10K though. The only thing I would not expect at all is the price to keep sideways for too much longer.

Anyway... this is (still) fine.

Fine does not equal boring


and


Boring does not equal fine




Not in bitcoinlandia.


Get a grip, or I am sending batman out.    Tongue Tongue Tongue      Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

There was no claim of a necessary relationship between the two. Just that the two occurred at the same time.
For someone so fond of writing you're quite shit at reading.

On a different note. Nice to see you're working on that brevity thing. Could still cull some dead space though.


Don't you have some BIG blocks to promote somewhere else, fatty?   Or you want to pleasure us with your BIG block worshiping, even though in these parts, we don't give any shits about your various bitcoin attack vector predilections and wishing for onchain scaling or whatever other nonsensical talking points might be your current whining hobby in thinking that there is something wrong with bitcoin.

There you go! Reasonably short without all that dead space. Well done!

Big blocks? Yah, what can I say. Follies of youth I guess. Sure good there was nothing to worry about.

https://cryptobriefing.com/ln-nodes-lightning-network/


I suppose that it is good if you are progressing towards coming around, but I see that since you are exaggerating lack of progress with lightning network as some kind of thing that you should spend time "worrying about," you are still inclined towards hissy fits and whining over matters that are "in progress"

I suppose that bitcoin is the worst decentralized project out there, except for all of the rest. hahahahaha... Anyhow, there might be some hope for you, if you at least recognize that your BIG block nonsense has some follies,  even though you seem to be admitting such "follies" with a bit too much reservation and a bit too much "wanting to be kind of right"

Jeebuz... Here's that reading comprehension we've talked about.

JJG, it's called irony.

Regarding LN. We'll see when the next bull run comes if the LN channels will line up and expedite traffic. I think it would be better with an approach that we know works, but that's not the path that has been chosen.



4912. Post 52493604 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: VB1001 on September 18, 2019, 06:13:37 PM

https://i.imgur.com/khNBCP2.jpg

3 new hats in September:

- SuperTA
- _javi_
- serveria.com

The three as always with a good design of xhomerx10

BTC & StrongHats



This September has been very good for the WO thread, +25,000 pages, +500,000 replies with comments of all kinds, but most of them related to Bitcoin.

Thx infofront in the future this thread and its "members" will be a subject of study. Wink



So many people there I used to respect.

Even fu**ing lambie has a hat!

:facepalm:



4913. Post 52493862 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 18, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
^^
You must be Some kind of simpel.....?

If you can’t understand a HODLers group....


Very disrespectfull to the man creating them and working to give us a good vibe etc


Good Vibe? IBIAN HAS A HAT!!!

Quote from: Searing on September 18, 2019, 09:02:12 PM

I resemble that remark.

You sure do.

Quote from: Last of the V8s on September 18, 2019, 09:06:17 PM


wtf happened to you?



4914. Post 52493977 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 18, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
^
Boy, even people with disagree opinion can have a HAT and are needed in discussion....

We don’t all like honey are we don’t all eat meat or wtf....

But we all can be people with a Unique XhomerX designed HAT-avatar Cheesy



4915. Post 52510906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: proudhon on September 19, 2019, 12:32:40 PM
We will never go below $9000 ever again, ever. No golden retrace coming, when bitcoin did a golden retrace in past bull market, it didn't take 80+ days to do it, it happened with a week or so.

That is bold prediction since we are nto taht far away from it.  I totaly agree with you that we cant go that much lower as we are now, but less then 10% drop is totally posible. There is maybe even more then 50% chance that it wil happen.

We will definitely go below $9,000 again. And soon.

WTF? What? Where? How?



4916. Post 52511192 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 19, 2019, 10:44:20 PM
^I’m just bad at this....

Bit drunk, only an IPhone to look on....

In need for a sleep....

Not able to earn your merit at this time, sorry bruh!

Good night!

Ah, ok. So it's the merit system that has turned this thread into a soft and fluffy version of itself.

The need for people to be liked has been nitro'd by a flipping ego boost counter.

Ugh...

Only person still being himself is JimboToronto. He's always been Crypto Santa.



4917. Post 52511225 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: jojo69 on September 20, 2019, 04:58:54 PM
Hey Fatty, did you see your stylin' new hat?


 The real message behind all this



avatar-sized


 
 Now you've got one too


sry, I'm not a fan



4918. Post 52511479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: jojo69 on September 20, 2019, 05:50:40 PM

sry, I'm not a fan

misogynist

Hmmm, I can't remember if that was a slur or a stamp of approval around these parts.



4919. Post 52511656 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on September 20, 2019, 06:11:36 PM
Hey Fatty, did you see your stylin' new hat?


 The real message behind all this



avatar-sized


 
 Now you've got one too


sry, I'm not a fan

I wish I could get official Trump hats here.

Of course you do.



4920. Post 52511727 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: gentlemand on September 20, 2019, 06:40:32 PM
Ah, ok. So it's the merit system that has turned this thread into a soft and fluffy version of itself.

The need for people to be liked has been nitro'd by a flipping ego boost counter.

Ugh...

Only person still being himself is JimboToronto. He's always been Crypto Santa.

I too remember when it was all fields around here.



And gentlemand. Although he looks a bit weary and tired. Kinda surprised you're still hanging in there.



4921. Post 52512347 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: gentlemand on September 20, 2019, 06:47:37 PM
And gentlemand. Although he looks a bit weary and tired. Kinda surprised you're still hanging in there.

Where else would a trans Jewish girl gain this level of acceptance?

True



4922. Post 52512359 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: Last of the V8s on September 20, 2019, 08:05:57 PM
https://archive.is/8Oeqz  Google claims to have reached quantum supremacy  https://www.ft.com/content/b9bb4e54-dbc1-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0IdYk4xCiXu

It's paywalled.

Let me guess, they got it to play tic tac toe and finds that everyone wins every time?

Edit: ok, I see the archived article now. no tic tac toe



4923. Post 52515059 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 21, 2019, 01:43:41 AM
Any energy used in Bitcoin is purely sunk cost fallacy.  There is no 'storage' of energy being done anywhere.  Not even caveman IQ Micgoossens and JayJuanGee probably believe this.

Cavemen IQ folks like me, MicG, his team and like-minded BTC HODLers (and BTC accumulators), don't really give too many ratt's asses about details.

All that many of us cavemen IQ folks believe is that: "orange coin number go up."  grunt grunt.   Wink  

When push comes to shove, that is all that we need to believe, and so far, our beliefs have been playing out into true outcomes.  

Let's zoom out a bit and take the last 6 years to plug into your caveman IQ hypothetical... .Let's say hypothetically, we put all of our value into BTC at the top of the 2103 price peak at $1,163.  This is a hypothetical, and we know that smart investors tend to DCA into bitcoin rather than putting "all in" at the top of a price run, but hey, I am going to play with the roach hypothetical of caveman IQ peeps, so maybe we could have had made such "all in" purchasing mistake.  

Anyhow, since we are cavemen IQ folks with a conviction to HODL our BTC, so we HODL our BTC from late 2013 to present and where the fuck are we?  Caveman IQ peeps are a mere 8.73x up on our investment.  What a bunch of dumb fucks, right?

But if we cavemen IQ peeps compare ourselves to the sophisticated goldbugs, PM pumpers like roach and Peter Schiff and some of those sophisticated smart peeps, what is their return as compared with ours?  You smart and sophisticated peeps have not even gotten a 2x.  Have you gotten 50% returns?  I don't know your details beyond recognizing that I am not impressed because I have a caveman IQ, and I can only appreciate the returns of myself and other dummies like me, micgoosen, his team and other HODLers only getting a 8.73x return (in terms of the hypothetical), and for some reason we are happy with that level of return.   Go figure?

So, if we look into the future, that is the thing that you want to prepare for, right roach?   We gotta look into the future to attempt to figure out if it would be better to put our present value into BTC or into PMs like gold and silver.  whatchagonna do?

I bet that the cavemen IQ dummies who end up putting their value into BTC, accumulating more BTC on dips and otherwise and HODLing their BTC are going to perform in their investments quite a bit better than you and Peter Schiff in terms of relative returns.

  Orange number go up, right?  Doesn't the future still look good for orange number?  Actually, I don't need to bet you either, because my money has already been placed in the BTC direction to HODL and accumulate, fucktwat.


Edit: 8.73x ?!?!?!!!! Oh, man! You really bought the absolute top, didn't you?



4924. Post 52515170 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 21, 2019, 06:52:40 AM
Any energy used in Bitcoin is purely sunk cost fallacy.  There is no 'storage' of energy being done anywhere.  Not even caveman IQ Micgoossens and JayJuanGee probably believe this.

Cavemen IQ folks like me, MicG, his team and like-minded BTC HODLers (and BTC accumulators), don't really give too many ratt's asses about details.

All that many of us cavemen IQ folks believe is that: "orange coin number go up."  grunt grunt.   Wink  

When push comes to shove, that is all that we need to believe, and so far, our beliefs have been playing out into true outcomes.  

Let's zoom out a bit and take the last 6 years to plug into your caveman IQ hypothetical... .Let's say hypothetically, we put all of our value into BTC at the top of the 2103 price peak at $1,163.  This is a hypothetical, and we know that smart investors tend to DCA into bitcoin rather than putting "all in" at the top of a price run, but hey, I am going to play with the roach hypothetical of caveman IQ peeps, so maybe we could have had made such "all in" purchasing mistake.  

Anyhow, since we are cavemen IQ folks with a conviction to HODL our BTC, so we HODL our BTC from late 2013 to present and where the fuck are we?  Caveman IQ peeps are a mere 8.73x up on our investment.  What a bunch of dumb fucks, right?

But if we cavemen IQ peeps compare ourselves to the sophisticated goldbugs, PM pumpers like roach and Peter Schiff and some of those sophisticated smart peeps, what is their return as compared with ours?  You smart and sophisticated peeps have not even gotten a 2x.  Have you gotten 50% returns?  I don't know your details beyond recognizing that I am not impressed because I have a caveman IQ, and I can only appreciate the returns of myself and other dummies like me, micgoosen, his team and other HODLers only getting a 8.73x return (in terms of the hypothetical), and for some reason we are happy with that level of return.   Go figure?

So, if we look into the future, that is the thing that you want to prepare for, right roach?   We gotta look into the future to attempt to figure out if it would be better to put our present value into BTC or into PMs like gold and silver.  whatchagonna do? 

I bet that the cavemen IQ dummies who end up putting their value into BTC, accumulating more BTC on dips and otherwise and HODLing their BTC are going to perform in their investments quite a bit better than you and Peter Schiff in terms of relative returns.

  Orange number go up, right?  Doesn't the future still look good for orange number?  Actually, I don't need to bet you either, because my money has already been placed in the BTC direction to HODL and accumulate, fucktwat.


Yeah.  I understand pobrecita, fatty.  You are experiencing a meaningful amount of difficulties getting used to coming back to bitcoin and understanding what it is like to be a bitcoin fan from your BIG blocker nutjob circles. 

Hopefully, you don't retrogress too much back into your earlier (and likely lingering) dumb-ass mindset.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Hey, don't dodge the question. How much did "hypothetical" little you buy around $1163 in 2013?



4925. Post 52515198 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 21, 2019, 06:52:40 AM

Oh gawd.  You don't even know how to read, or perhaps you don't understand the concept of a hypothetical.

Let me 'splain this to you.  
 
You understand that I had said that even if I had bought all my BTC at $1,163 at the absolute top in 2013, then my profits would be 8.73x.   That be called a hypothetical because that is not what happened.   You startin to understandin dis, a wee lil bitty, now?  Fatty?  

I might need to insert my own eye-rolling here, are perhaps insert batman,  and slap you into some senses, if that is possible?    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You might be surprised to hear that I skip a lot of your texts, hence the gif. And that's when I don't have you on ignore.

Again, How much did you buy at the very top in 2013?

Since you're not a caveman and all. (Fuck you roach, btw)



4926. Post 52515377 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 21, 2019, 07:13:40 AM
[edited out]

Hey, don't dodge the question. How much did "hypothetical" little you buy around $1163 in 2013?

If we are going to deal with reality rather than hypothetical, my first BTC purchase was 1.24 BTC on local bitcoins in the end of November 2013 for $1,200 per bitcoin, which would have been $1,500 for that transaction.



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4927. Post 52515447 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 21, 2019, 07:28:05 AM
My purchase at $1,200 was my highest BTC purchase in 2013 until the BTC prices went back above $1,200 in 2017.


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Of course, I had some other decently high BTC purchases in 2013 and 2014 because the BTC price stayed up for a couple of months.   I could go back and calculate how many BTC that I bought in the first few months at relatively higher prices, but it does not really matter too much, now does it?


STOP IT!!! YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!


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sure man, whatevs




4928. Post 52520614 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):


JJG on ignore

Lovely



4929. Post 52524096 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):


Roach on ignore as well



4930. Post 52524231 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: jojo69 on September 22, 2019, 07:46:41 AM

Roach on ignore as well

duh

agreed



4931. Post 52526124 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: d_eddie on September 22, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
Ah, ok. So it's the merit system that has turned this thread into a soft and fluffy version of itself.

+1 WoSMerit

Fluffy purple heart
I'll draw for you (serious!)
if you merit me


#haiku
whore



4932. Post 52526868 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/22/entertainment/aron-eisenberg-star-trek-actor-dies/index.html

RIP NOG



4933. Post 52530127 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):


wtf is goin on here.....



4934. Post 52530311 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on September 22, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Who believes that history repeats itself?


Source:https://twitter.com/Weightlosspro14/status/1175860149682147330

Well, maybe I don't exactly do it, but we are on our way to that stage.

It looks plausible

Edit: only prob is that that dip normally comes july/aug, not sep/oct.



4935. Post 52530426 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: Globb0 on September 22, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
lol,

You see what you want to see. Your map of the world. Of to therapy.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

Yeah last evening when I went to bed.... I quickly opened the WO and saw XhomerX Made this HAT, thought it was a very cool one... Will wear it for a few days Cheesy Then gonna go back to the 15K battle HAT Cheesy


Kind of looks like an orgy.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

looks like that second hand from the left is flirting with the one on the far left



4936. Post 52530817 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

d_eddie on ignore



4937. Post 52551081 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):


Ibian on ignore



4938. Post 52551119 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):


I'm guessing we'll see the 7k's again next week or so. Maybe even the 6k's.

They need to squeeze those weak hands out of this wet cum rag.



4939. Post 52551136 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: Cryptotourist on September 25, 2019, 07:21:18 AM
Morningzzz!

I think the dip is over & we have witnessed our local low.
Sideways & up for the rest of the year. Not sure if we're going to see a new yearly high this year, but we have the halving for that.

Bouncing off 200MA(red) & 350EMA(green) in 2016:



And where we are now:



It seems that we are in a hurry to explore new highs. Grin



Yah, pretty close, but extended timelines.



4940. Post 52551230 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: Lambie Slayer on September 25, 2019, 07:26:42 AM

 *Charlton Heston Bitching pic*

*no Slayers were harmed in the creation of this meme.


Seriously though, I bought the dip for the third time this year and accumulated more. I expect more dipping w 9k rekkt and I will continue to accumulate all the way down in the event we make it to 7k, 6k, and even 5k if that somehow happens.

This is Bitcoin so we know its all possible. Whatever happens in the next 90 days will Im sure be the last great chance for cheap coins for several years so wipe your tears, refrain from attacking people that were or are short term bearish and instead focus your efforts on backing up the truck and filling those bags boyz.



Just make sure there's any dip to dip in or you'll run out of chicken when the real dip comes.




4941. Post 52551535 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: Lambie Slayer on September 25, 2019, 08:00:41 AM

 via Imgflip Meme Generator

(pffff....retard boy here keeps the ad in the link)

*no Slayers were harmed in the creation of this meme.


Seriously though, I bought the dip for the third time this year and accumulated more. I expect more dipping w 9k rekkt and I will continue to accumulate all the way down in the event we make it to 7k, 6k, and even 5k if that somehow happens.

This is Bitcoin so we know its all possible. Whatever happens in the next 90 days will Im sure be the last great chance for cheap coins for several years so wipe your tears, refrain from attacking people that were or are short term bearish and instead focus your efforts on backing up the truck and filling those bags boyz.

(depressed Fatty alter ego eating away the Big Blocker Blues pic)

Just make sure there's any dip to dip in or you'll run out of chicken when the real dip comes.



Ahhh Fatty lecturing on the discipline of dip buying but cant help but making a food eating metaphor I see Wink

Thanks for the concern. I bought with everything I owned the real dip in 2014 and 15 and still hold the vast majority of those coins, buying dips now is a petty sideshow to kill time at this point, Im over 95 percent net worth in King Bitcoin. Big blockers never tricked me out of my riches and into shitcoins Cheesy

Why are you calling me fatty, asswipe?

I haven't talked to you before. Nor have I been talking about alts lately.

The only one bitching about big blocks anymore is JJG and he's on ignore.




4942. Post 52552653 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: ivomm on September 25, 2019, 09:55:35 AM

P.S. I know this looks like hopium especially to the daily traders, but this increase is only 10x from 14K this year. There were much bigger increases even for one year, not to mention for 3 years. The only question is when 100K, not if!


$40k-$135k is a good range. Don't listen to people screaming about hopium.



4943. Post 52556800 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: Lambie Slayer on September 25, 2019, 10:32:35 AM

 via Imgflip Meme Generator


via Imgflip Meme Generator

*no Slayers were harmed in the creation of this meme.


Seriously though, I bought the dip for the third time this year and accumulated more. I expect more dipping w 9k rekkt and I will continue to accumulate all the way down in the event we make it to 7k, 6k, and even 5k if that somehow happens.

This is Bitcoin so we know its all possible. Whatever happens in the next 90 days will Im sure be the last great chance for cheap coins for several years so wipe your tears, refrain from attacking people that were or are short term bearish and instead focus your efforts on backing up the truck and filling those bags boyz.

(depressed Fatty cunt tard alter ego eating away the Big Blocker Blues pic)

Just make sure there's any dip to dip in or you'll run out of chicken when the real dip comes.



Ahhh Fatty lecturing on the discipline of dip buying but cant help but making a food eating metaphor I see Wink

Thanks for the concern. I bought with everything I owned the real dip in 2014 and 15 and still hold the vast majority of those coins, buying dips now is a petty sideshow to kill time at this point, Im over 95 percent net worth in King Bitcoin. Big blockers never tricked me out of my riches and into shitcoins Cheesy

Why are you calling me fatty, asswipe?

I haven't talked to you before. Nor have I been talking about alts lately.

The only one bitching about big blocks anymore is JJG and he's on ignore.



Are you retarded(I mean beyond the typical big block shitcoin delusions)? You talked to me right here in this quote above. Thought you had thicker skin fatty.

Ill call a dim-witted cunt like you whatever I want whenever I want as often as I want so you can eat a few twinkies to feel better if need be Cheesy You still bitch about big blocks, no sense in lying about it. JJG has never been a big blocker.

wut? of course I talked to you above...do you understand the concept of "before"?

No, JJG is not a big blocker, but he brings up the subject all the time. How can this be so hard for you to understand?

Fuck it

ignored






4944. Post 52557481 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: Arriemoller on September 25, 2019, 08:31:29 PM
Ignoring again
Safe space is getting tighter
Fatman is afraid

hmmm.....checking posting history

nothing useful, just more of the same brainless crowd.

ignored



4945. Post 52557793 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: serveria.com on September 25, 2019, 09:02:47 PM
Ignoring again
Safe space is getting tighter
Fatman is afraid

hmmm.....checking posting history

nothing useful, just more of the same brainless crowd.

ignored

This is getting interesting - if he'll go on like this he'll soon be all alone in the WO thread  Grin Grin Grin

Ech... just making it livable again



4946. Post 52558019 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):

Quote from: criptix on September 25, 2019, 09:56:43 PM

All you folks got far too little patience expecting new highs around the corner. That spike that happened in December 2017 - chances like that don't come around like buses. That is gone for a long long time.

This chart here has about the right timeframe. Although the peak of each high is exponentially higher, the time between such surges gets longer and longer.

We're looking at 2021-2022 to recapture 20-20k again and 2023-4 for new highs.





There is another possibility though.

If we follow a s-curve adoption rate then we should get a big boost somewhere in the middle which then will get slower again... Smiley

Also, we're not at $3000. Chart from late 2017 to now looks more like spring-summer 2013.

Or one could just pull that curve to match actual movements and see where it leads. My guess is a slightly lower top closer in time.

CBOE, Bakkt and GBTC (et al.) will serve institutions in this next bull run, but not in an ideal way. The industry will be screaming for an ETF.

And once the ETF is approved it will serve as a stamp of approval for all these half measures like CBOE, Bakkt and GBTC so they will gain liquidity as well.

That's when we'll see a slow and steady multi year rise to a new reality.



4947. Post 52564490 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.02h):


how dat bottom lookin now?



4948. Post 52564775 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: nutildah on September 26, 2019, 04:31:12 PM
Just watching the Trump whistleblower stuff on TV, watching the stock market fall, watching BTC fall, trying to understand how this isn't all related to Trump being a massive piece of shit.

It's just not. It's a technical move.



4949. Post 52568960 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: criptix on September 26, 2019, 08:25:59 PM
Anyone has any wild guess at which price the real support might be at?


7200-7450 is major support zone (vwap, fib, cme gap, htf support).

If this breaks we are officially rekt.


Edit:

Btw. Personally I believe 7k's is the bottom and thus long now.

On htf we can also see a hidden bullish divergence forming.

I suspect we'll see a spike below, just to freak us out.



4950. Post 52569348 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 27, 2019, 05:59:18 AM
Anyone has any wild guess at which price the real support might be at?


7200-7450 is major support zone (vwap, fib, cme gap, htf support).

If this breaks we are officially rekt.


Edit:

Btw. Personally I believe 7k's is the bottom and thus long now.

On htf we can also see a hidden bullish divergence forming.

I suspect we'll see a spike below, just to freak us out.

I think the ones that would fear or get afraid by this..... they already are out

Hehe... ok. I guess we're fine then.



4951. Post 52571262 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: btcbeliever on September 27, 2019, 09:55:49 AM
... just as it is taking down Trump after he came out as not a fan of Bitcoin and derided it on the interwebs.
Hail King BTCitcoin. Amen. Hodl  Smiley

Stay tuned, Trump is killing his media-controlling opponents, a great flippining is coming, in which Trump will be powerfully vindicated with inconvenient truths coming out.  His recent anti globalist speech at UN will be remembered as one of greatest speeches iof all time.

That is impressive.

And with such conviction!



Further studies are needed.



4952. Post 52575153 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: Paashaas on September 27, 2019, 03:25:09 PM
Greta should know what she is talking about then.

Edit although apparently the above claim is a bit misleading as the father is “distantly related”.  Many Swedes are likely “distantly related” to each other. 

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/greta-thunbergs-family-parents/

Here childhood has been stolen? nha..



that must be the dumbest pic I've seen in a long while



4953. Post 52577673 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: becoin on September 27, 2019, 06:15:23 PM
Here childhood has been stolen? nha..



that must be the dumbest pic I've seen in a long while
How it's dumbest? Can you explain?
I will say one should feel sad looking at those kids working at this age while they were to go to school.
He is a commie. Of course he thinks that picture is stupid.

Greta is not working, Greta is talking and traveling the world as politicians do. Greta is playing. Greta will probably be one of the world leaders in the future while the other children would die.
It is a dumbest pic.

Greta is a psychopath. She is a child and her labor is being used by even bigger psychopaths.


You guys are small and pathetic



4954. Post 52586625 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):


I hear you guys. I had to tone down my caffeine addiction.

Pepsi Max is a bitch

so there. I have shared .



4955. Post 52590233 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: Lauda on September 29, 2019, 02:02:37 AM
Difficult news but nice comments: https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/da1xtl/lightningdev_full_disclosure_cve201912998/.

Quote from: BashCo
Bcashers are mentally deficient, willfully ignorant,morally bankrupt, and of course, irrelevant.
Cheesy
Ok so a bug was found with LN and the bug was fixed?   Is that a fair summary?
Yes. It's more of an implementation bug than overall IMO. Clients weren't properly checking stuff.

I guess it's to be expected with such an immature project (not trying to kick it, just stating the obvious). I'm looking forward to see what will happen when FOMO kicks in and the Bitcoin network gets clogged up. Will LN perform at all? Will it break? Or will it somehow manage to shove a ton of traffic through? People are generally more motivated to learn new skills if they think they can gain an advantage in the race for insane riches. I will be ready with popcorn.



4956. Post 52590411 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: Hunterqr on September 29, 2019, 07:40:04 AM
Wall Observer
A free service brought to you by the bitcoin community

Whenever there is a significant change in market depth, please update this thread with a new depth chart, and a good price chart with some TA is also welcome, feel free to comment on these if you have something to worth contributing, ( if your post is not at all TA it will be deleted )

Posting guild lines:
 Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any off topic posts )
 Do not post random comments on this thread, unless it is directly related to the last wall update (ex. The 20K ask was was NOT sold into, it was removed after being tested)
 When you post a chart please use bitcoincharts.com, mtgoxlive.com, btccharts.com or bitcoinity.com


as requested, i have started a new thread.
this thread is now a self-moderated topic.
I will try and keep this thread clean, with only facts, current trends, past price movements, depth charts, etc.
I promise to not delete post simply because i do not agree with the bearish TA.

thank you for your input!


Quote
We needed more regulation around this bitch.

the rules of this thread is an attempt to keep this thread from having +1000 post when price is doing big moves, and instead relay important indicators during critical moments.
also when the market is more calm we can expect to see wall posts and TA price charts, back to back without any relevant chatting, making easier to analyze.
there are other threads where speculators can discuss their sentiment, just not here...

That 1000+ page thread was getting kinda useless.

How about bitcoinium.com pics? I can never get mtgoxlive to load Undecided

thats fine too,
I'm looking for quality charts or good TA bearish or bullish.

asking good questions example....

Interesting pattern I've noticed. It's been sort of bouncing downwards for the last 4 days. Is there a technical term for this sort of thing?



is also welcome here.

just don't be posting about your "FEELINGS" and you won't get delete.  Tongue

Disclaimer: All posts in this thread are for entertainment purposes only. Nothing in this thread should be construed as financial advice.




When I take a gander at the worldwide Bitcoin picture, I see a few "antiquated" levels which stay genuine right up 'til the present time. As a matter of first importance, how about we think about even levels.

wtf?!?!?! This thread was started by adamstgbit, not infofront. When and why did he edit his way into the first post?

Edit: damn, that's a rotten move. I am disgusted.



4957. Post 52590537 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 29, 2019, 07:44:37 AM
Any future prediction is useless, Bitcoin always does what it wants.

100% agree. my impression is that the game changed in Dec 2017 with the introduction of Futures for BTC. since then the market is not the same as it was before since 2011. the Big Boys changed everything. prediction of the price is much more difficult now because a mighty instrument to short BTC is available since Dec 2017.

This time is different TM.



4958. Post 52594681 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):


So, will the price glide down gracefully within the next few days or will it just crash immediately after 24.00 CET?



4959. Post 52598519 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: Lauda on September 29, 2019, 09:07:21 PM
Is this the largest thread in the forum? Going back to 2013 and being over 25,000 pages long.

 Shocked
Learn how to use the forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats. The answer is yes.  Smiley

All hail Adam!!!



4960. Post 52598531 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: makrospex on September 29, 2019, 09:29:15 PM
Nah, i was 5 minutes early...

We'll see where this ends.



Good night WO

Meaningless timeframe



4961. Post 52598579 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 29, 2019, 09:59:28 PM
Is this the largest thread in the forum? Going back to 2013 and being over 25,000 pages long.

 Shocked
Learn how to use the forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats. The answer is yes.  Smiley

All hail Adam!!!

My man.... infofront is doing a good job from when he's the man of this thread....

Show him some respect

I have no respect for people who steal other peoples work. There should be an explanation and attribution in the first post.



4962. Post 52598632 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 29, 2019, 10:06:31 PM
Is this the largest thread in the forum? Going back to 2013 and being over 25,000 pages long.

 Shocked
Learn how to use the forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats. The answer is yes.  Smiley

All hail Adam!!!

My man.... infofront is doing a good job from when he's the man of this thread....

Show him some respect

I have no respect for people who steal other peoples work. There should be an explanation and attribution in the first post.

People steeling work, copy work whiteout some links etc all get banned

Is infofront banned? No so STFU.

That makes no sense. That does not change the fact that he hijacked the first post without an explanation and attribution.

I understand that you want to protect your buddy, but sticking your head up your arse does not really do much in that regard.




4963. Post 52598710 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on September 29, 2019, 10:19:04 PM
No one cares about your opinion Fatman

It seems like it. Kinda weird.

It's pretty bad form to do something like that in any other part of society.

It's the kinda thing journalists and academics get booted for.

The WO thread has 500k posts. It's a little internet marvel.

Rewriting its history should be a big deal.

And that's what you're doing if you hijack the first post without making it clear that adamstgbit is its creator.


Edit:

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 29, 2019, 10:21:52 PM
No one cares about your opinion Fatman

Indeed I’m letting it go, no use in an endless dumb discussion

I just know we all like infofront !

Jesus Christ! What are you? 5 years old?

It's not about liking or not liking infofront.

It's about dealing with a piece of work in a proper manner!

What kind of people are you guys?



4964. Post 52598759 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: jojo69 on September 29, 2019, 10:29:17 PM
Adam left of his own volition.  Went bigblock mad and ragequit for reddit if I understand correctly.

Infofront was appointed to moderate in the aftermath.

Nothing nefarious here, you are out of your lane.


ugh... this thread is filled to the brim with jjg's.




4965. Post 52601107 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on September 30, 2019, 06:49:41 AM
All my charts still say we are due for a rally starting in the next 48 hours.  But I gotta say this is challenging.

 I hope you're right.  I was poised to begin a regimen of lorazepam until Friday's WO intervention.  Now I'm on a course of night shifts instead... it helps but not nearly as.much as would seeing Bitcoin over 9000 8000 again.

Edit: damn
Edit2: didnt want to get in the way of HairyMaclairy's smackdown.



Dude, we'll likely see $6.5k. No reason to panic though. We should move up after that.



4966. Post 52601293 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: yefi on September 30, 2019, 07:05:51 AM
Anyone who wants to know, adam gave up his account, forum admins concluded that this thread was difficult to administer and closed down the thread.  after complaints from forum members, theymos agreed to reopen the thread with a new thread owner that was voted upon by forum member (largely already active WO participants to my recollection).. accordingly, infofront has carried out a very laudable nearly non-interventionist approach that seems to carry out the spirit of the thread in a way that might have even been playing out better than the original version.  Go Figure!!

Yep, just to add to that, the reason the first post was changed wasn't a FU to Adam, but was simply a pragmatic decision because there was no other way to easily change the thread moderation. If anyone has a problem with that, then download the source code for SMF and code a workaround...

A small sentence in the first post saying that adamstgbit was the original thread starter is all that it takes to rectify the problem. Not doing so suggests that there is something horribly wrong with either infofront or bitcointalk.org as a whole.

Edit:

Quote from: Lauda on September 30, 2019, 07:17:35 AM
Or just fuck off from here because nobody sane would give a fuck about Adam? Seems much simpler than your proposal.

Jeebuz, Lauda. Take some anger pills.



4967. Post 52601698 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: Lauda on September 30, 2019, 07:29:00 AM
Or just fuck off from here because nobody sane would give a fuck about Adam? Seems much simpler than your proposal.
Jeebuz, Lauda. Take some anger pills.
There's no anger, just objective statements. Adam was/is a delusional piece of shit. This is nice kitty mode, price is boring. Purr. Wink

Whether you like him or not is completely irrelevant. This is more about Bitcointalk.org and infofront than adam.



4968. Post 52602682 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: El duderino_ on September 30, 2019, 09:43:22 AM

Heading towards $4k around October 2020. Forget the "halfing". It was priced in early - 1 year early - and profits got taken in the 12k "fakeout".

That's what bitcoin does folks - what you're not expecting.

New ATH around 2023, 2024, just at long term log charts have been predicting. Time between peaks increasing as marketcap increases.


Super bearish but... intriguing. If that would be the case I could buy new loads of ammo.


Nobody except some true HODLers are expecting 50-100-200 or 300K a coin as well so going that high will be very unexpected for the world as well....

As most of the NO-coiners or people not knowing BTC are exactly expecting low prices or failure...

So sky high prices will be the unexpected Cheesy

Now go and troll some rookie-newbie threads or something, in here people like you has no voice


You're attacking people who are very much on topic, have legitimate views on the topic, behave in a polite manner and have several years seniority over you.

ignored



4969. Post 52602844 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: bitcoinPsycho on September 30, 2019, 10:01:40 AM

Heading towards $4k around October 2020. Forget the "halfing". It was priced in early - 1 year early - and profits got taken in the 12k "fakeout".

That's what bitcoin does folks - what you're not expecting.

New ATH around 2023, 2024, just at long term log charts have been predicting. Time between peaks increasing as marketcap increases.


Super bearish but... intriguing. If that would be the case I could buy new loads of ammo.


Nobody except some true HODLers are expecting 50-100-200 or 300K a coin as well so going that high will be very unexpected for the world as well....

As most of the NO-coiners or people not knowing BTC are exactly expecting low prices or failure...

So sky high prices will be the unexpected Cheesy

Now go and troll some rookie-newbie threads or something, in here people like you has no voice


You're attacking people who are very much on topic, have legitimate views on the topic, behave in a polite manner and have several years seniority over you.

ignored
You can ignor me too

done



4970. Post 52611190 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: infofront on October 01, 2019, 01:51:32 AM
Is this the largest thread in the forum? Going back to 2013 and being over 25,000 pages long.

 Shocked
Learn how to use the forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats. The answer is yes.  Smiley

All hail Adam!!!

My man.... infofront is doing a good job from when he's the man of this thread....

Show him some respect

I have no respect for people who steal other peoples work. There should be an explanation and attribution in the first post.

I've never pretended that I created this thread. I mostly left the OP alone for posterity's sake. I never really considered it before, as all the regulars here already know the story. Out of respect for Adam, the thread, and also for posterity, I  agree that there should be a note about the thread originator.

So, I have added a note. but I also think you're an asshole, and went about this like an asshole.

Well, I think I've made my feelings clear already.

"I never really considered it before,"  ..... of course not.

Thx for sorting it out though.

Edit: You misspelled his name.



4971. Post 52611355 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):


We move in weekly now, so a short here might still be a good play.

Would be surprised if we don't see sub $7k before we go up.


Edit:

Quote from: jojo69 on October 01, 2019, 05:09:52 AM
and I thought I was an asshole

Don't worry. You are.



4972. Post 52616535 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on October 01, 2019, 11:38:44 AM

We move in weekly now, so a short here might still be a good play.

Would be surprised if we don't see sub $7k before we go up.


Edit:

and I thought I was an asshole

Don't worry. You are.


Fuck you fatty!

 I think you're onto something here Arriemoller.
We already have Thursday set aside for JJG appreciation day but Tuesday is wide open.   We could designate Tuesdays as "Fuck you Fatty Tuesday" and have our own weekly Mardi Gras with beads 'n shit.
Alternatively, we could designate Fridays as "Fuck You Fatty Friday" for the alliteration since that rolls of the tongue nicely.  Whatever happens, we should probably get infofront to change the OP again to reflect the new special days.  I would hate to think of what might happen if a newbie were to happen upon this thread and become confused and as we know, Fatman3001 is quite anal about accuracy in attribution while quoting others (when convenient).  Make sure you spell his name right infofront!  It has two tees.



Friday sounds good to me, I have tacos on Fridays anyway.



4973. Post 52619405 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: bitserve on October 01, 2019, 05:13:37 PM
Here we go... The next few minutes are critical.


Also, congrats gentlemand and hats off to infofront for its patience and good job. Fuck you fatty.

Oh and WB major! Nice to see you around here again.

Fuck you too.



4974. Post 52619539 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: makrospex on October 01, 2019, 07:16:36 PM
I have a solution. WWW3

after the next WW no human beings will exists anymore on earth. it will be a total one.

but I refuse to think it will happen.

not at the point of extermination, just a little liquidation for the planet to breathe again and start a new era.

new-clear era, maybe?
I think most of us will kill each other to survive. A different "war". You against everybody else.
Soldiers will only be needed to protect politicians (if there are any) and infrastructure.

BTCeartrap, how low will you go?

The russians have nuclear subs that are designed to stay submerged during a nuclear war, resurface after 6 months and kill what remains.

And since they're all men on russian subs I suspect that will be the end of humanity.

I guess they could try to procreate, but San Fransisco has tried for 60-70 years without much luck.



4975. Post 52619678 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: makrospex on October 01, 2019, 07:37:38 PM
I have a solution. WWW3

after the next WW no human beings will exists anymore on earth. it will be a total one.

but I refuse to think it will happen.

not at the point of extermination, just a little liquidation for the planet to breathe again and start a new era.

new-clear era, maybe?
I think most of us will kill each other to survive. A different "war". You against everybody else.
Soldiers will only be needed to protect politicians (if there are any) and infrastructure.

BTCeartrap, how low will you go?

The russians have nuclear subs that are designed to stay submerged during a nuclear war, resurface after 6 months and kill what remains.

And since they're all men on russian subs I suspect that will be the end of humanity.

I guess they could try to procreate, but San Fransisco has tried for 60-70 years without much luck.


There will be no gain firing off nukes, nobody will do that, besides regimes like north korea.
It's still cold war going on, but on hold. Seems like Trump pushed the resume button to revive the industry.
When the G8 killed each others GPS'es, electricity and internet, they will turn around to solve their own problems, then restart.
That's WW3, imho.

EDIT: Remember, communication is the root of society, as well as it's causing its biggest problems. Makes a brilliant attack vector, as all basic needs.

Don't underestimate human stupidity



4976. Post 52619906 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: makrospex on October 01, 2019, 07:58:59 PM

Don't underestimate human stupidity

That's a good point.
You have to make the majority of people believe that a world war actually solves problems to pull that off and keep your head on afterwards.
Adolf was the last one to accomplish this yet.
Even the generals of nuclear forces wouldn't blindly nuke the world just because the president is hitting the red button.
Amongst all stupidity, there's also sanity, even if it may be quite rare.

Maybe not out of the blue. But if two or several countries are on the verge of war we might just need one trigger happy nuke specialist to send a confirmed hit and we'll have nuclear armageddon. Both/all sides will fire whatever they've got in the vain hope that their country will somehow be better off.

Reason, as we see with the climate change debates in this thread, is not a huge factor in many peoples thinking.



4977. Post 52620378 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

The correlation from stock to flow is not that precise. Also, it should get weaker and weaker as an indicator. The large majority of coins are mined. Liquidity is less and less moved by miners.



4978. Post 52620854 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on October 01, 2019, 10:27:47 PM
State-Backed German Bank Says Bitcoin Will Leap to $90,000 in 2020

https://cointelegraph.com/news/state-backed-german-bank-says-bitcoin-will-leap-to-90-000-in-2020

Sounds about right. My exit point is $85k. And I suspect that will be in 2020.



4979. Post 52620885 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):


Hmmmm..... I have roughly 150 unused merit points. What kinda weird stuff can I get the weaker minded lot in here to do for those?

Edit: Can we get a petition for that Fucking Fatty Friday thing? Maybe less whiny. "Fatmans Friday" sounds ok.

ready, set....... squirm!!!



4980. Post 52620968 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on October 01, 2019, 10:57:44 PM

Hmmmm..... I have roughly 150 unused merit points. What kinda weird stuff can I get the weaker minded lot in here to do for those?

Edit: Can we get a petition for that Fucking Fatty Friday thing? Maybe less whiny. "Fatmans Friday" sounds ok.

ready, set....... squirm!!!


I do not know the legalities but I am sure you can at least get nudes. I have my hairy breasts prepared. Just say when.

sry man, I bust a nut like 5 min ago



4981. Post 52622641 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.03h):


Hehe, I called on the weaker minded and there's a barrage of 16 posts from Arriemoller.

Icygreen seems to be going about this in a more constructive way. Even got infofronts support.

impressive



4982. Post 52675215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: fillippone on October 04, 2019, 07:37:55 AM
Fuck you Fatty


Also look who made the top of the list  Gratz man - well deserved.  

 

What's that sorcery?
I didn't even know that part of the forum exists as I always relied on external efforts like tables and datas from ddmrddmr or LoyceV.
Anyway, I take no pride in that, It your merit (pun intended). I only try to contribute to the forum in the best way I can and try to stimulate most interesting (and entertaining) discussions.



wut?

aren't you a merit farmer? with your own thread and all?

Quote from: fillippone on September 29, 2019, 12:36:44 PM
I just got to 1,200 merits.
I am the most merited Senior Member ok the Forum, and I have time to improve until Oct, 9th when My activity will clock and I will be promoted to Hero!

wait.... ok...

Quote from: fillippone on October 01, 2019, 02:05:31 PM
I accept the suggestion of being more humble.

hmmmm.....


and then this

Quote from: fillippone on October 04, 2019, 07:37:55 AM
Anyway, I take no pride in that, It your merit (pun intended). I only try to contribute to the forum in the best way I can and try to stimulate most interesting (and entertaining) discussions.

ah, I see. Someone told you to be more humble so now you're merit farming for the good of humanity.

ignore?



btw, thanks for celebrating Fatmans Friday @HairyMcNutsack



4983. Post 52675235 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on October 06, 2019, 07:40:45 PM
Yo yo playas... me thinks we need a slow drawn out step down so we can flush out the weak!  Grin
Maybe a punishing consolidation will do the wallet good...

stop begging for tips



4984. Post 52675479 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on October 06, 2019, 08:44:00 PM
Yo yo playas... me thinks we need a slow drawn out step down so we can flush out the weak!  Grin
Maybe a punishing consolidation will do the wallet good...

stop begging for tips

What tips? Lol

I don't have an address listed


pffff... you always come scurrying down here begging for pro tips when the market rattles you.



4985. Post 52677594 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: Hyperjacked on October 06, 2019, 09:59:28 PM
Yo yo playas... me thinks we need a slow drawn out step down so we can flush out the weak!  Grin
Maybe a punishing consolidation will do the wallet good...

stop begging for tips

What tips? Lol

I don't have an address listed


pffff... you always come scurrying down here begging for pro tips when the market rattles you.

The pro's left here long ago... just paid trolls like yourself and a few old timers.

Please don't respond again fatman

Disclaimer: I always feed the homeless


Yah, I know. And you keep coming. It's pathetic.



4986. Post 52684688 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

$8300

Kinda surprised about the strength down here. Still too little to save us from a drop to $6500, but interesting.



4987. Post 52684740 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMcNutsack on October 07, 2019, 06:06:56 PM

We sit in a privileged position because we live and breathe this every day.  But don’t make the mistake of extrapolating our knowledge and experience to the broader market.  


This is a good point. There are some skills you can transfer to other markets, but crypto is special.



4988. Post 52685968 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):



wut da fuk?



4989. Post 52690841 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):


doods, it's not Friday yet



4990. Post 52690970 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 08, 2019, 11:09:48 AM
I thought Tuesday was your day?

wut?

ok, let it rip



4991. Post 52691632 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):


Ugh..... I am feeling way too bullish atm

This will not end well



4992. Post 52695305 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: BobLawblaw on October 08, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
Ugh..... I am feeling way too bullish atm
This will not end well

FWIW, I'm kinda scared and bearish at the moment. Terror-Levels are stabilizing, but not sure how soon we're going to see $10k again.

Then again, this is Bitcorn. Someone could suddenly feel sexy and show us a nice, gargantuan green-candle, out of nowhere.

Yah, wouldn't you like that...

Quote from: vroom on October 08, 2019, 01:03:35 PM
#nohomo fatty?

can neither confirm nor deny



4993. Post 52695673 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 08, 2019, 06:36:32 PM
Where did "fatty fuck you" come from? Its all over WO. Am I missing out on something?

he seems to be a BigBlocker.

Surely a reason for personal denigration, if ever one there were.  Roll Eyes


The current era of big blockers are fraudsters and scammers.  Just spend 10 seconds researching Ver or CSW. 

That’s sufficient reason for personal denigration.  

If you spend 10 seconds researching Ver you'll find he's the "Bitcoin Jesus". One of the foremost advocates of Bitcoin adoption.

Not that I'm a fan, but that's what you'll find.

CSW.... yah, ok. It doesn't look good.

As opposed to Ver and CSW I'm not really interested in new alts with bigger blocks. BTC is the name of the game. It is the most economically mature crypto and almost impossible to beat on that ground alone.

Yes, I supported larger blocks back in the day, and if the issue returns I'll probably support it again. But for now the issue is settled. And I'm, for the most part, ok with that. I'm still wary about LN, but looking forward to see the drama, or lack thereof, when txs spike.

Also, small blockers deff has its own bag of nutters, so don't get too cocky. The small blocker in chief claims the sun orbits the earth and supports slavery, for instance.




4994. Post 52695691 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 08, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
I had a dream about fucking fatty last night.  I woke up covered in flower. 

Flowers or flour?



4995. Post 52695825 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 08, 2019, 07:35:39 PM
I had a dream about fucking fatty last night.  I woke up covered in flower. 

Flowers or flour?

Doh, not dough.



4996. Post 52699595 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 09, 2019, 07:19:46 AM

We need a bigger blockchain so that Fuck you Fatty can be immortalised forever

Agreed. Raise MAX_BLOCK_SIZE!!1!1!!!



4997. Post 52699685 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: makrospex on October 09, 2019, 07:39:00 AM
Observing $8.180 after breakfast.

MA10 refusing to cross MA50 (1h,4h), BB narrowing, volume low.
Time for a move, imo.

Up or down?

I expected $6500. And there is still time for that. But as I see it, we don't have to go down there.

In short, idk.

Either way I'll just hodl on.



4998. Post 52706215 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: BobLawblaw on October 09, 2019, 02:37:58 PM
I have JJG on ignore for reasons mostly dealing with maintaining my sanity.

Shrewd move

Quote from: Pamoldar on October 09, 2019, 01:41:59 PM
Okay that's the reason.

Ass hole Fatty. Have Mia in your imagination when you wank. I really think you need a fuck to blow out the things inside you.

Fuck off, you nauseating little fart nugget! ignored

And to the rest of you. It was a wrong that needed to be righted. Adam is a fucking hero and all-around great guy and deserves to have his stamp on his creation.

At least the right wing nutters of old could take some talking to. Who knew that the 2017 recruits of semi-fascist assholes were a bunch of snowflakes and delicate flowers?





4999. Post 52706247 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: jbreher on October 09, 2019, 05:56:07 PM
I'm just glad I sold all of my bitcoin and bought all rights to the Vegeta 9000 meme.

You mean you did not lose it all in an unfortunate seasteading accident?

dude, be kind to Elwar

the world needs people like him

our intrepid Bitcoin explorer/pioneer



5000. Post 52706364 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

CNBC report on the Bitwise ETF:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8FSrq-X1Ms

I seriously doubt that it will be approved. Nothing has changed with the market since the other denials.



5001. Post 52706569 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: jbreher on October 09, 2019, 06:54:53 PM
I'm just glad I sold all of my bitcoin and bought all rights to the Vegeta 9000 meme.

You mean you did not lose it all in an unfortunate seasteading accident?

dude, be kind to Elwar

the world needs people like him

our intrepid Bitcoin explorer/pioneer

No slight intended. If Elwar took offense, I guess I need to recalibrate my sarcastometer.

I doubt Elwar took offense. But if he did, and stopped posting here, how would we know he didn't lose it all in an unfortunate seasteading accident?



5002. Post 52706653 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: jbreher on October 09, 2019, 07:08:31 PM
I'm just glad I sold all of my bitcoin and bought all rights to the Vegeta 9000 meme.

You mean you did not lose it all in an unfortunate seasteading accident?

dude, be kind to Elwar

the world needs people like him

our intrepid Bitcoin explorer/pioneer

No slight intended. If Elwar took offense, I guess I need to recalibrate my sarcastometer.

I doubt Elwar took offense. But if he did, and stopped posting here, how would we know he didn't lose it all in an unfortunate seasteading accident?

We wouldn't. Losing it all is just one of the potential dangers of being within a 12,000 mile radius of any seastead.

Yah, we need to keep him posting. Send us signs of life.




5003. Post 52706695 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: rdbase on October 09, 2019, 07:13:24 PM
CNBC report on the Bitwise ETF:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8FSrq-X1Ms

I seriously doubt that it will be approved. Nothing has changed with the market since the other denials.
But when is cnbc ever right in their prediction on what bitcoin will do? Undecided
People here have said over the years to always bet on the opposite of whatever their news speculation ever has to say about what will happen in the markets. Wink

The CNBC report was just for some background material. They don't know their asses from their elbows when it comes to Bitcoin.

But my judgement is that it will not be approved and that's ok. We don't need an ETF for the coming raging bull market.

We probably need one for the raging bull after that though.



5004. Post 52707270 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: _javi_ on October 09, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
CNBC report on the Bitwise ETF:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8FSrq-X1Ms

I seriously doubt that it will be approved. Nothing has changed with the market since the other denials.

Remember SEC made public on their webpage a presentation from Bitwise. Signals signals...

and btw, FU (nothing personal)

I hope you're right. If so I might raise my target.



5005. Post 52708003 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: abercrombie on October 09, 2019, 09:45:07 PM
ETF decision (drum roll) REJECT rule change     Cry   https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/nysearca.htm


Yeay!!! I was right



wait...



that means I lose money...




5006. Post 52708048 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: rolling on October 09, 2019, 10:03:28 PM
ETF decision (drum roll) REJECT rule change     Cry   https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/nysearca.htm

So, basically, 95% of the Bitcoin market is fake volume and/or unregulated and therefore it is not possible to monitor the market for manipulation. Also, that 95% can't be separated from the real 5% in a reliable way that prevents the fake/unregulated/manipulated exchanges from affecting the price of the real exchanges and therefore, the ETF is denied.  

sounds about right

Quote
Based on that, i don't see how it will ever be approved.



well.... maybe..... I mean.....

They'll probably view it differently once Bitcoin starts carving out its space in the financial system

This is uncharted waters, even for the SEC.




5007. Post 52708089 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

https://www.coindesk.com/sec-rejects-bitwises-latest-bitcoin-etf-proposal



5008. Post 52710005 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: legendster on October 09, 2019, 11:31:22 PM
Can someone please tell me where the new dildo came from?

I mean is there a particular event that I missed or what? I woke up today dreading that BTC price might have touched $7200's again but it seems like since my absence of about 18 hours from the crypto world, the price has now reached $8600 and on the way to break $9k soon.

So, what changed?

Edit: I am not complaining. I just need to know.

Uncertainty about ETF removed.

Which might mean that it's not a technical move, which might mean you don't want to trust it.



5009. Post 52715419 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: infofront on October 10, 2019, 03:05:49 PM
My posts with the same content have also been deleted.  I am heart broken. 

The plot thickens.
Congrats on Legendary!

Let's not attract the attention of the serious-minded mods.
That's what got us rusticated last time - too many reports.

For that matter, maybe I need to start deleting more of the "Fuck You" and trolling posts. We can't have Fatman flooding the mods with reports  Roll Eyes

You're a mod, smartass. And you know that's not the case.




5010. Post 52715979 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: xhomerx10 on October 10, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
For that matter, maybe I need to start deleting more of the "Fuck You" and trolling posts. We can't have Fatman flooding the mods with reports  Roll Eyes

You're a mod, smartass. And you know that's not the case.

You think infofront is a mod? That's rich.

 He obviously doesn't care enough to read the thread before posting which is why he is consistently wrong about the thread and the members who frequent it.

Are you saying that this thread was taken over by some random guy?

I thought he was busy moderating other threads.

How the H did you people find someone even lazier than Adam?





5011. Post 52719326 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HI-TEC99 on October 10, 2019, 11:19:59 PM


The hammer is ready? Cool

Hey look it's cool Thor, before Disney/Marvel turned him into slovenly, blubbering fatty mess Thor.

You do surprise me with watching marvel movies  Grin

I agree I hate the fat making as well !!!!

How about this this fatman batman?



or this fatman?





5012. Post 52731837 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 12, 2019, 05:31:50 AM
IMHO, you fellas should ease up on jbreher.
He is NOT R. Ver or craig W, clearly.  
An engineer and/or scientist, no doubt.

I root for the proper btc, but the jury is still open on whether LN would behave when we stress it with 100s of millions if not billions of users.
BTW, personally, i like second layer solutions like LN more, but I am perfectly willing to listen to the opposite opinion.

Jbear and the Bcash crowd would be ok if they sought competitive differentiation.  That's what competitors do.  They say 'our product is different and better'.  They have logos / brands which are instantly visibly distinguishable.  They make their product stand on its own merits. Jbear doesn't do that.  He pretends that his coin is 'Satoshi's Vision'.  He pretends that it much closer to the 'original Bitcoin' than 'Segwit coin'.  He says things like:

One of the things that makes BSV good is that it is being incrementally returned to the original Bitcoin protocol.

Jbear is not seeking competitive differentiation.  He is seeking to pass his shitcoin off as the original Bitcoin.  And I have no tolerance for shills, frauds or charlatans.

I think this could precisely be the competitive differentiation you seek. There is no doubt that BTC has gone through some major and controversial changes. But BSV's insistence on calling their coin Bitcoin is misguided. It's confusing and hurts their own case more than BTC's.

O! be some other name:   
What’s in a name? that which we call a rose   
By any other name would smell as sweet;   
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d,




5013. Post 52732500 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 12, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
Any sophisticated Western country could build a nuclear weapon in less than a fortnight if it wanted to, including countries that have never had nukes.  

Nope, uranium enrichment is a large industrial undertaking and very time consuming.


Edit:

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-it-would-take-iran-to-make-a-nuclear-weapon-2015-3?r=US&IR=T



5014. Post 52732694 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 12, 2019, 09:29:15 AM
Any sophisticated Western country could build a nuclear weapon in less than a fortnight if it wanted to, including countries that have never had nukes.  

Nope, uranium enrichment is a large industrial undertaking and very time consuming.


They already have it.

http://www.silex.com.au/SILEX-Laser-Uranium-Enrichment-Technology

https://nuclearsafety.gc.ca/eng/reactors/research-reactors/nuclear-facilities/chalk-river/highly-enriched-uranium-in-canada.cfm

Nah, Nuclear fuel is only enriched to 3.5-5% U-235.

A nuclear weapon requires at least 85%, normally 90% U-235.

Also, not all "sophisticated Western countr[ies]" have nuclear power plants.




5015. Post 52734370 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: HairyMaclairy on October 12, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
From the Canadian article

Quote
The commitment promotes non-proliferation by removing existing weapons-grade material from Canada

Guarantee the Canadians forget to hand some back.

Several countries have HEU, but that just means more than 20% enriched. Not sure why Canada would have weapons-grade material. Might be small amounts for medical use.

Edit: 7 kg a year for "medical isotope production and in research reactors".

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/secret-weapons-grade-uranium-shipments-to-canada-near-end




5016. Post 52740696 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: FrodoBagHolder on October 13, 2019, 04:56:59 AM
Hello WOs-

Sometimes I worry. I worry not because BTC is a flawed idea but rather because BTC has been released into a flawed society. Could it be that an idea devoid of persona, an idea that just exists (separate from a “founder” or some other attached ideology) is doomed to fail just because of the novelty of such a detachment. Don’t mean to get all philosophical but, I hope the world can recognize bitcoin as an idea, in it’s simplest form.

Cheers all hope you’re having quite the weekend Smiley

An idea that would be pretty pointless in a perfect society.



5017. Post 52743010 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: hv_ on October 13, 2019, 09:03:56 AM
Nazi crap

We see, that politics should not get too heavy at all, even the democracy has gotten a monster over the years and needs to be put on a weight watchers plan

Can you please stop spreading his nazi crap?



5018. Post 52743337 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: hv_ on October 13, 2019, 10:33:40 AM
Nazi crap

We see, that politics should not get too heavy at all, even the democracy has gotten a monster over the years and needs to be put on a weight watchers plan

Can you please stop spreading his nazi crap?

Umff, sorry in case u got me wrong,

I m all in for democracy and capitalism, but just with having minimal rule set / maximal transparency needed.

Pretty much like the 'need to know' principle to get things done best practice.

I ve lost a lot of relatives by nazis, I m German btw.

A bad thing nazis did, was stopping free thinking and communication and isolated themselves...

Dude, spreading antisemitic cartoons was precisely what the nazis did and it was not in aid of free thinking. Nor is it the case when you spread roach's crap.



5019. Post 52749377 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on October 13, 2019, 08:15:31 PM
OUCH!

EDIT: The bleeding hasn't stopped yet... $250+ down in less than 15 minutes.

Yah, fucked up H&S formed

not a pretty one, but probably means more down



5020. Post 52779896 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.04h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on October 16, 2019, 02:20:28 PM
New Plan: Dumping 50 BTC next time we cross $10k USD. Rick approved. He's nervous as well.

Fuck this action.

this is exactly what whales try to force the dump money to do even now at the 8k mark.

don't be the victim be the actor. refuse to be the victim always because it's not good for mentality health to get in this secondary position.

EDIT: sorry, mixed up decline and refuse  (not my mothertongue) Roll Eyes

Agreed. Even if you're right and everything goes to shits, you'll probably be so scared and exhausted that you'll buy in higher anyway.

HODL and HODL tight. Ask Rick to clench as well.



5021. Post 52851620 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.05h):

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 23, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
OK so people can stop panicking & cuckolding, selling all their coins. The Grayscale news was positive, stop dumping & BTFD.

nope



Edit: I hate Wednesdays



5022. Post 52855752 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.05h):

Quote from: BobLawblaw on October 23, 2019, 01:49:15 PM

I mean, what sort of soft and noodly limp-dick HODLer would sell into this ? It's just uncivilized. Picked a bad week to stop drinking tho. Gained a solid 10 lbs of fat and bloat while out in Napa that I'm still trying to work off. All protein and juices for me this week.

Putting on the weight is easy AF. Getting rid of it, the older you get... Just... sheeit. Looking good takes work as age sets in.

Speaking of which, what's this shit with Dennis Quaid dating someone like 29 years younger ? What do you even have in common with that difference in age (beyond the obvious desire to rut like two caribou in heat)

39 years younger



5023. Post 52859253 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.05h):

Quote from: Richy_T on October 23, 2019, 03:56:48 PM

That's a good point. Though I suspect behind the scenes where the real practical regulatory discussions are taking place by analysts that bitcoin is still front and center.

Good point. There was an old cartoon about how would you like you cryptocurrency scare, terrorism or paedophilia flavored? I guess we can add facebook (or 'big tech'* in general) to the options now.



*To be clear, there's a lot about big tech that's a problem but using it for scaremongering is a nasty tactic.

Hi there, Richy_T! Long time no see.



5024. Post 52896037 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.05h):


Looks like we're heading for a strong weekly close



5025. Post 52896616 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.05h):

Quote from: Elwar on October 27, 2019, 03:45:05 PM
Just had a lovely walk and found these little buggers







Nice Grin

One makes you larger. One makes you small.

Not sure which one though....ask Alice.

According to Super Mario they all make you larger.



5026. Post 52896759 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.05h):

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on October 27, 2019, 03:59:52 PM


Thoughts?

Not sure if 1D is a reliable timeframe. Plenty of room for up on weekly according to RSI.



5027. Post 52896841 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.05h):

Quote from: Gyrsur on October 27, 2019, 04:07:07 PM


Thoughts?



Reminds me of a psych eval of a fighter pilot from the town I come from.

"So what do you think of when you see these shapes?"

"Pussy."

"What about these?"

"Pussy."

"And how about these?"

"Hey man, I always think about pussy."




5028. Post 52947542 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.06h):


Interesting application of lightning:

https://www.coindesk.com/venezuelans-made-lightning-savvy-hardware-to-use-bitcoin-during-blackouts



5029. Post 53017934 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.06h):


c'mon BTC!!!!! get ye'r shit tgthr....pffff!!!1!!1!



5030. Post 53209768 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.08h):


2020 is the year we make our money



5031. Post 53215698 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.08h):

Quote from: ataArt on November 29, 2019, 08:23:00 AM

2020 is the year we make our money

For some reason, it seems to me that we will be able to make money in 2021 rather than 2020.

Hodl on or Bitcoin will snap your neck



5032. Post 53215745 (copy this link) (by Fatman3001) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_17.08h):

Quote from: Globb0 on November 29, 2019, 05:38:53 PM
Breakout imminent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c36UNSoJenI

LOL