So the maths happened.. parabolic has to complete its cycle before.. moving upward.. it will surely cross 3000 usd level but after completing this parabolic cycle... and it has to come down to anywhere between 1300 to 1500 usd level... which is 61.8% to 78.8% retracement of this parabolic move ... over 8 weeks.

And BIP48 to force Segwit, eveybody happy, right?

What will happen if Jeff fails coding 2x? It seems to rushed, i rather see Segwitt testing on the real economy for atleast 6-12 months.

Jimbo is well known for buying the bottoms.

I'm talking about future space mining, what the effect will have on the price later on, not metals vs Bitcoin.

I appreciate youre explanation. btw i liked youre jew gifs
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Ayway...those bigblockers are all beeing played by Roger and Jihan.

They're like rats leaving there sinking ship to another sinking ship.

They shit on Bitcoin while XT was the best thing ever..

They shit on Bitcoin while Classic was the best thing ever..

They shit on Bitcoin while BU was the best thing ever..

They shit on Bitcoin while NChain was the greatest thing ever..

Few weeks ago Bitcoin ABC was the greatest thing ever while shitting on Bitcoin..

Now those noobs shitting on Bitcoin while Bitcoin Cash is the greatest thing ever..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1166428.msg13664554#msg13664554



Only 1,5 years ... and now, the same pattern repeat with SegWit adoption.
Choose wisely ... mathematic rules are just.

They would be two completely separate blockchains, where transactions of one coin can only be made on its own chain (because of two way replay protection), and cannot affect the other chain in any way.

This is what Trezor has to say:

"Will Bitcoin Cash addresses be different from Bitcoin addresses?

Your Bitcoin Cash addresses are also derived from your seed, but with different parameters. As they are made specifically for Bitcoin Cash, there will be no overlap with the original Bitcoin, which increases your privacy. This also means that you should not send bitcoins on a Bitcoin Cash address and vice versa.

The Bitcoin Cash BIP44 derivation path for addresses is:

m/44'/145'/
"

Never do that if you have unspent bitcoins on this address! After the fork is activated FIRST move your bitcoins to another bitcoin address and just after that put your empty BTC address in your BTCCrooked ABC wallet!

Like they did in 2001? People signed up in droves for the chance to fight. Propaganda and media manipulation are very powerful tools.

Shit, where were those WMD's again?

Poloniex officially dry.

Mmmm, so overall you have aroud 6 million dollars in btc i think

If you don't mind I'd like to ask you all a few serious questions.

1. When is "moon" for you guys? Everyone has their own "moon" value.

2. When your "moon" figure has been achieved how will you sell a large amount of coins or will you always keep bitcoin?

3. Will you always keep a portion of your stash and never convert to fiat?



Thanks and happy ATH friends.

So, who hasnt sold their BCH ? I havent, dunno why not. Gut's telling me hodl.

SegWit2x reaffirm their hard fork plan:
https://github.com/segwit2x/segwit2x.github.io/pull/6/files

So you're telling me that i will own 3 different Bitcoins with same private key? MOAR FREE COINS?

For fork's sake! Bitcoin Core braces for another cryptocurrency split: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/08/bitcoin_core_fork_cryptocurrency/
"This is basically a sign from Bitcoin Core that they do not regard SegWit2x as being the real Bitcoin," explained Ryan X. Charles, CEO of Yours.org, in a YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep4HtGgOdjw. "...This all but assures there will be another split when SegWit2x occurs."

Yeah, this time chinese miners will get rekt mining 2x bitcoin with declining price to 200$ and below. BTC brand is reserved for bitcoin core, so it will be the real bitcoin for some at least. The problem is that this contentious split will scare most ot the traders and they will start panic selling down to 40-50% from the ATH. At least this what happened many times this year.  But this is just the beginnig of the drama. Core dev's are planning for a change of POW (asic resistent of course), so that they will enforce the new version of core's software to work even if 100% of the pools are mining 2x bitcoin. If that scenario happens, I would expect a further price plummeting.  

Nicola Duke thinks that if the $4400 level is taken out next stop is $7000. I agree. If you take a look at bitcoin's previous ATH it was halfway between a 4.236 and 6.854 Fibonacci extension of the ATH that preceded it. If you look at the Fibonacci extensions in play now $4400 is important resistance and if taken out $7000 is certainly possible. I have never seen a 6.854 extension in bitcoin take note though. masterluc has mentioned even higher targets that you can see in this Fibonacci extension chart:



These higher targets are low probability though. There is a distinct possibility that the current bitcoin rally can run out of steam between $4400 and $7000 and we would then enter a multi-year bear market. You really want to be mostly out of bitcoin before the next bear market which will be painful. Start taking some profits now. However, there is also a rule to live by: never sell all your bitcoin.

I expected a much deeper correction than this ''pathetic'' $400+ dump, market sentiment is to bullish for even more panic sell out.

Going sideways untill Segwit activation?

Not much that can be done. I've looked into as many tax loopholes as I can. I even had all of the paperwork ready to create an offshore business to funnel my bitcoins through but the controlled foreign corporation rules require any foreign corporation where you own 50% of requires you to declare capital gains that the company gets immediately even if the company does not distribute it to you.

There are some companies that allow you to take out a loan on your stock options (which fixes the price) where they "hold" the stocks and you "fail to pay back the loan".

Living overseas you can withdraw $38k per year and pay zero capital gains as long as you have no other income.

Though a really good tax lawyer could probably figure something out. Tax "loopholes" are legal ways of not paying taxes that the tax legislators just haven't noticed yet.

If your accountant tells you that there's no getting around paying capital gains taxes he's really saying there's know way -he- knows of how to get around them. There is always a way especially the more money you have.

You people need to stop pretending it's even possible to create a decentralized cryptocurrency in the first place.  Nothing resembling a Nash equilibrium will EVER exist in these things, only an exposed power vacuum to be taken over by a monopoly man or cartel.  

This seems like it could be important

https://medium.com/@Zero404Cool/trezor-security-glitches-reveal-your-private-keys-761eeab03ff8

Hm maybe impact on the price
Were again at the start from yesterdays correction..

Ver and Wu just went full retard selling all of their BTC for an alt coin.

Then you should be already balls-deep in LTC. 

There is extreme dishonesty in the segwit2x camp, which you can see from trying to exploit the fact that people do not really know Segwit is 4mb, and they try to sell the angle that bitcoin is simply going to be upgraded from 1 to 2mb. The dishonesty is compounded by things like what Bitpay does... "yeah just download this upgrade titled bitcoin" (which runs something else).

Traders never cease to amaze me! When it was clear that BCH will appear, BTC will continue to exist as 'bitcoin' and everybody will get free money, the faint hearted shaky hands sold their bitcoins below 2500 just before the fork losing big time. Now, the conflict between 2x and core is endangering the existence of bitcoin, these same traders buy above 4K!!! Little they know that if S2X forks without replay protection, the fork will be a giant mess, both chains will be unusable for days, possibly weeks and the price will crash (maybe even below 1000$). a lot of people will hedge into LTC, ETH and BCH! It will look like bitcoin is dying while BCH is going up like crazy. Of course everyone who supports BCH wants exactly that! (At least the ones who can think that far and are interested in a high BCH price). The recent rise of the BTC price is just a bubble, created by chinese mining whales who want to sell high all and then dump BTC for good. They are free now from the limitation of the core team and can adjust the difficulty to make much bigger profits. Reading between the lines in Roger Ver's and Jihan Wu's tweets, they will trade most of their BTC for BCH and will continue to drive up BCH's price.

So, charts and that ... Anyone worried about this low volume?

30% haircut. Wait for it.

Only 10% haircut. Limited time offer.

We are closer to the $5000 mark, gotta test those resistance https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-ethereum-litecoin-price-analysis

Interesting how there is so little talk around here about how many Chinese BTC Western exchanges will be able to absorb in the first place.
Because rest assured: what cannot be sold in China will be sold in the West.

Another thing that is not being talked about: how will BTC survive after a large decline? Is this crypto's Dotcom bubble crash? Because in that case, only a few crypto currencies will survive, and only those with the strongest usecase. In my view, BTC is far from certain to be ensured survival in that case.  Bitcoin is not ensured - at all - to rise again. Past performance does not guarantee future performance, as the opposite would mean that Bitcoin would keep rising forever.

Lastly: what will happen if some major parties that are playing the market now decide to move over to some other crypto alternative, with more advanced tech and/or a different usecase? Because those parties aren't holding BTC for some damn ideological goal: they want to make money. If they start dumping Bitcoin like there is no tomorrow, we might easily find ourselves in a similar 2014/2015 decline.

I'm curious how people think about these questions, as there is way too little attention for such things here.

Moon was thousands of dollars ago. This is all success and space gravy if you ask me.

Once again, r0ach doesn't answer any questions, just more red herring arguments and ranting hyperbole.

All the hallmarks of a true troll (although he's not very good one).

we are at the bear trap phase, ignition has been lit, be prepared to see something that is the complete opposite of the last 3 years

My gut tells me its important for BTC to stay around 4k for awhile to solidify a future floor. We raced through with the last pass and now its proving ground time. So... if I'm right, anything below 4k should be a good buy area.  Sure, we could go to 2k but would the market makers really want to cook the golden goose in a bull market that will more than likely see 10k in the near term.  
For now its fairly noticeable that profit taking is happening above 4k and buying back below.
Anyhow its just me and my gut feeling.  

THIS IS THE LAST UPDATE OF THE LIST

You're sort of like Nostradamus, aren't you?

i just put the last 2 names on this guess list ( normal over time but now it stays like how it is )   

AGAIN GL

other source : https://icowatchlist.com/blog/amazon-begin-accepting-bitcoin-october/

People in Jan 2014 when price dipped from $1200 to $800:

"$600-$700 at most. And I mean the WORST case scenario. If it falls more than that then I'll buy all of them  "

Subsequent final bottom: $183

Bitcoin Millennial Edition? Bitcoin Vista?

 

All you fucking moron goyim are on the slave plantation now.  Only an idiot does what the government (aka Goldman Sachs & other evil jews) wants you to do.  I do the exact opposite of what the govt wants and only buy physical silver while dumping imaginary wealth (bitcoin) that can vaporize up into smoke at any second.

Hello.

So what happened today ? I was busy at work, fortunately I took a 5min break and had the idea to look at current poloniex lending rates (which have been low since the fork). To my surprise they were good, so I decided to send some more coins there.

Concurrently the mempool was almost empty, so the coins got there fast and I caught some nice rates.

Only 1000 BTC in lending at some point, when the usual was more than 10000.

Any explanation ?

2) if you dump BTC2X then there is a chance that your dump will be replayed on BTC

So, we can expect bitcoin price to go up 40% by mid November?

What about $20,000 ?

Seems like we're experiencing the usual correction/profit-taking after today's jump up past $4.9k.

How long will this last? Yesterday's lasted almost a day.

My guess is that the resistance and fiat profit-taking will increase as we approach the ATH.

This might take another day or two.

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I’ve already bought plenty during the previous dip so I don’t lose anything, plus most of my coins were bought below $500-700. Haven’t lost any since last year And to think that this is only the beginning is the best part of the whole thing.

Women vote more uniformly than men, which means the moment women got the vote, women controlled politics. And women always vote for more security at the expense of freedom. Which, as every american knows, means you will get neither.

Are you guys worried that some celebrity normies are getting involved in Bitcoin? You shouldn't be worried, you should be excited.

Where's kwukduck?

So, did you guys already dumped the "gold" coin? Is there any exchange that accept it? Since the BCH I like these airdrops, lol

However, their attempt to kidnap the bitcoin name with a hardfork with no replay protection and their poor dev team makes the majority of users dislike them.

Network protocols are not a democracy. They need near universal agreement in order to work.

The reason is simple:

If for every contentious choice, there was a 52% group that said "yes I like that" and a 48% group that said "I don't like that", then you have two protocols. In the second contentious choice for each fork, of similar dynamics (52-48), you have four protocols. In the third, you have eight protocols - which all do not recognize each other. If there were, say, 8 DNS protocols, your router wouldn't even know where to begin with in order to convert a name to an IP address...

Bitcoin is trying to compete with assets like Gold. You can't "fork" Gold or redefine what Gold is and that has value. Bitcoin's resistance to re-definition, likewise has value. Some people are trying hard to damage this resistance in order to say "see? Bitcoin is crap, it can be forked, it can be inflated through forks, uncertainty can be introduced on what fork will be the "right" one, etc etc... gold doesn't have all this bullshit, I'll stick with gold / stocks / fiat".

This is why all the forkers are cancer. They are undermining bitcoin, or are actively trying to control it, under any narrative like "bigger blocks". Even when they had their "big blocks" with BCH and the 8mb fork, now they are trying to take BTC to 8mb as well with S2X. Why don't they simply stick to BCH? It's simple: Because it was never about big blocks, it was about CONTROL.

5 consecutive days with an ATH.

 

Why the hard swallowing?

So let me get this straight.

The CME Group is supposed to launch Bitcoin futures trading on Nov 14th. Then, "The Idiots Who Shall Not Be Named" are set to launch SegWit2x on Nov 16th.

And everyone thinks this timing is nothing more than coincidental??   

What does this obvious ponzi scheme masked as a n00b investment platform have to do with even an inkling of bitcoin's progression again?

You send them bitcoins, they give you "Bitconnect coins" which you can then "loan out" and get "interest".

Basically, you send your bitcoins and get fake coins in interest payments.

First they (their customers) gonna get screwed badly by honey badger and then they gonna complain to have the FED-SEC and the rest of the so called regulators to impose
regulations = destroy price discovery on the exchanges. And we might very well end in the same deplorable position as GLD.

Yeah, that's the key (hehe). Always move your bitcoins to a new private key, then you can use the old private keys to access these altcoins.

meanwhile the spam attacks continue, 100k unconfirmed tx, and jihad is tweeting about peace. fkn two faced devil
http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/11/09/can-now-accelerate-stuck-bitcoin-transaction-paying-bitcoin-cash

fees are running at around $5

ver better hope the yakuza isn't holding bitcoin..this is dangerous shit

Bottom may coincide with 3 day RSI under 50. It turns out that BCH is acting as a hedge for BTC and those who held on to their airdropped BCH are doing well. There is no guarantee BCH price will continue up though. Bitcoin will bottom out and recover.

Good God! Are they going to give birth to a new coin every time they want to do a software upgrade? What's next? Monetizing testnet coins too?  

All of the ERC20 tokens are already giving me a headache. What a nightmare.

Since the price started dropping I stopped looking. Haven't looked for a while.

Are we ok?

Since Bitcoin jumped to $7800, and now it's back around $6500. Do you guys think it's a good entry point to buy some BTC now? I'm talking about from investing point of view. Trading is a different story I know that.

oh please give us a break. another fork? a trump coin? ridiculous!

I like it... a honey badger driving a Lambo racing with a train driven by a Spartan brandishing a fiddle, on the surface of the moon.

Can someone tell Ver and Wu to pump another fork so I can cash them out too? Maybe a nice BTG or BTX pump? Thanks!

That BCH pump is rather a flabby one

I still have a few to get rid of, I'm sort of disapointed.

Good to see all the major Cryptos are in the green except for BCH. 

Now how do we get to 9k by end of month?

This thread will be plastered with bear Meme's next week.

From Bitcoin Trading Signals site. Enky thinks max target this week is $9800.

I forgot the site name. which one is safe to claim Bitcoin Gold with my private key?

bands are going crazy lately what the hell

this thing is getting too wild... is anyone expecting another correction soon?

The thing is, in the gold market the derivatives price leads the physical price. Whatever the derivative sells for, thats the price dictated to the metal sellers.

We sure as hell do not want to end up like that and it might be wise to start understanding the priorities and dynamics of derivatives markets and how they can potentially impact BTC.

Bitcoin has one huge advantage over gold in that respect because it's liquid. Gold bars do not travel through wires so it cannot be traded electronically in its physical form. That basically hands the entire market over to the derivitaves. Bitcoin on the other hand can be so there's a big damper effect on the futures "tail wagging the dog" scenario.

Futures will also let large funds go long with ease and not have to worry about the holding and storage of bitcoin.  A big positive many have waited for.  Shorting is possible as well.  CME though limits the variance per day to 20% +/- the previous days close (reference value).  Thus it could go down max or up max 20% in one day for the contracts.  If they manipulated spot bitcoin value more than that it necessarily wouldn't benefit them.

Futures will be interesting to see.  Overall in time it should help here for a while increase price, and then allow for ETFs probably as early as Q1 finally now.  ETFs will then flood $$$ directly into the market directly as they will hold proportionally Bitcoin (and need to buy more, etc.).

I think McAfee's predictions are far too high. $50,000.00 end of 2020 would be impressive alone. let alone a factor 10x or 20x higher.

There has never been a crash that preserved more than 50% of the past ATH.

I'm wandering...who's going to buy bitcoin at a million and thinks it's a good price?

I'm for it being used not just for selling when it gets to a mill

House of Cards, starring Roger Ver. 

holy Litecoin batman

inflation or hodler dividend?

Over 170k unconfirmed transactions right now - Panic sellers?

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

They (people like Larry Summers and Bernanke) promote cryptocurrency to the goyim and tell you that you should buy it instead of gold and silver, duh.  When the govt and jews (same difference in the US) both tell you to stay out of metals and buy cryptocurrency instead, that's about as big of a red flag as you can get.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-08/bulgaria-government-shocked-discover-it-owns-3-billion-bitcoin

Ain't seen any mention of this. The Bulgarian authorities seized 213,000 bitcoins from some pesky criminals. I wonder how and where and over how long they gathered so many coins.

No doubt some pencil necks will insist they will dump all on Yobit.

Yea, I was surprised nobody was freaking out over a $3 billion govt dump.  It will likely be auctioned off like all other confiscations, but still, who the fuck wants to buy $3 billion of imaginary bitcoins using wealth that took generations to acquire?  Especially when you have things like bitcoin cash and all these other forks going on.  It's not longer safe to pretend there's only one chain.  You could be buying $3 billion of invalid chain lol.

What I find odd in all these confiscation stories is the password protection of confiscated bitcoins. I mean ok, the authorities might have access to a wallet.dat which says it has XXXX bitcoins in it, but from there to actually accessing the funds is quite some distance away - assuming there is a wallet key protecting the funds.

That's why I'm assuming that most authorities' "confiscations" do not necessarily translate to getting access to those coins.

Why would derivatives be listed in Bitcoin's CMC?

The FUD is strong these days, almost reminds me when BCH was a thing XD

yeah, they have no idea what they're dealing with. They are being pressured by their clients that want exposure to the price, but they can't cover losing bets when the price moves further than their margin limits can cover.

I'm sure there is enough demand from the customers to continue futures trading, but they will need to re-think their approach: just imagine - they broke their limit in about 4.5 hours... just imagine what might happen when they close shop for the weekend?

OK, first of all, don't listen to those two guys in the video. they have no clue, you will get REKT

Second, how are you going to "send it to futures" when the futures don't trade over the weekend?

Third, oh, nevermind, you are going to be REKT no matter what I say.

Best of luck trading

Yes, we all have casually played with mercury.
Of course this goes beyond casual contact.

Looking fairly comfortable at the moment

I hate the 17000 $ wall

I'm pretty sure Jeff's OD'ed on the red pills. He's been shilling for gold the last few weeks encouraging us to use BTC profits and now this. https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@dollarvigilante/the-globalist-plan-to-blame-bitcoin-for-biblical-level-collapse-in-2018
And I like contemplating conspiracy but this might be over the top even for me (and torque?) 

It's possible they will be like "hello goyim, too much liquidity has left the system and into bitcoin and caused it to collapse. We are now passing a law that you're not allowed to use bitcoin and must use federal reserve digital token instead".  Then they get their cashless society slave system + scapegoat for economic collapse in one swoop.  The plan probably wouldn't work, but these are psychopathic jewish money changers we're talking about here.

How do you know it was Novogratz? How do you know it was him alone?

Luckily I'm not a normie

If bitcoin is worth $100k each then I think $100 fees are reasonable. No crisis.

Then WTF are you doing here? Why are you wasting your tome with this group of people in deep ignorance? Isn't there some gold/silver/metals forum where you can find smarter audience for your rants? The mere fact that you are constantly lurking here speaking nonsense is a witness you deeply know you are completely wrong, otherwise you would not have that obsessive need to speak to people who can not understand what you are talking about.

Then it is even worse than I projected. Fuck the governments.

Wall Street with its huge financial backing can kick BTC around but it wont be long before the underlying market forces will take control away from Wall Street.

Jim Cramer is a complete idiot.

It's wall street some kind of singular sentient being?

Why am I getting ads with retarded looking, giant hook-nosed Jews telling me to buy bitcoin AT THE TOP?

BLOCKSIZE BLOCKSIZE BLOCKSIZE!!!

FEES FEES FEES

It's not only about fees, it is about network congestion. I am hodling, but I hope every day for them to announce a blocksize increase as a temporary fix while we keep waiting for a working LN fully deployed. A small blocksize increase that we would need anyways even IF LN was already in place.

And no, for whomever is thinking so: BCH crapcoin is no solution... if Bitcoin fails ALL the crypto castle will crumble.

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Maybe because its This time of the year we make a small game Just to call 24777$ (CET) the one with the day of breaking This price wins .25 BTC
The list Will be Made after This post So When a date is taking iT cannot been taken again
When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

LIST MAKING ENDS 25-12-2012 @ 22.00 cet

Did we hit the BTCottom yet?  or is the worst yet to come 

If you think liquidity is an issue now. Just wait until the big boys start to realize they need to balance their holdings with actual BTC so that they can play in the market. All other alts will benefit.

You call a 50% dip a correction? No I think it's a crash.

2MB blocks, 8MB, 64MB, whatever you want MB is not the solution.

If BCAsh (A for Asshole) stands for flooding the mempool, messing with the hash power and massively dumping early holder coins, I won’t have none of that. I’d rather use Dogecoin then.

Well...
Smart people knows that dec/28 will be the history day to bitcoin and are hold or buy more bitcoin in this price...
After the Hard Fork dec/28 the prices will grown so fast that you cant imagine.
Note my word and enjoy the ride
$$$$

Going up nicely. Small bulltrap or real lift?

A few weeks later he told me that BTC was too expensive for him to buy (a common newbie reaction).

What we are witnessing right now are the last weeks of bitcoin being the dominant cryptocurrency. Ripple and Ethereum are both going to fly past it in the near term. I think that the total collapse might be just a few days away before the masses understand that there are no longer gains to be made in bitcoin and start evacuating their assets to these two more modern cryptocurrencies.

Unless this is a double top, I resign from BTC/USD speculation

Except the one in 2013?

At least you didn't sell your doge too soon... or did you?

GO ALL IN. Liquidate all other assets. Also, max out every form of credit you can possibly acquire. This includes taking out multiple payday loans and finding a loan shark.

Good day gentlemen. I would like to bring your attention to this novel and innovative chart that has surely never been seen before on this forum:
Do you think that, perhaps, it might have some relevance to our current situation?

Right now BTC is holding the line pretty well, but I am getting the sense of fear and desperation in both the BTC and LTC subs. It's starting to feel a bit... impatient over there. It's a very different sentiment to that one in December. Either we've entered a new phase in crypto where one is going to need to be patient as the market caps are now much larger, or these impatient ones will be shaken out at losses at much lower prices.

do you have a moment?

There will be a solution to the scaling issue. I don't think it's going to be lightning network OR a blocksize increase. It will be using a new algorithm and turning the chain into a tree/sharding. There will be something. I dont care if I have to code it myself. It's not like we're locked into this crappiness.

Bitcoin is under heavy attack from German (jew) Media. I smell fear.

WTF, somebody is crazy here. Is it me, or you, or them? You just can´t let that standing here, and walk away.
Guess, "luckygenough56" has a serious problem there. But could be his own, ahem, stupidity ? I mean, as a last resort    

226 bytes x 470 bytes / 100.000.000 x 14400$ = 15.29$.

And that's for the fastest type of transaction.

At 130 sat/byte you get a confirmation in ~3-4 hours and the fee is 4.2$.

Someone is miscalculating your fees, or you have a lot of dust amounts.

I thought it was 1776

so transaction fees have actually halved  

I never liked of wall street entering in the bitcoin market expecting this kind of tricks.

I am going to sell my BTC holdings. Watch the price Skyrocket now!

I am going to take this one for the team!... You can thank me later!

Here we go!....

EDIT: Price just rose to 10K....

dont celebrate just yet
we are not out of the danger zone

we should be ok at 13k

Who is this mystical Russian creature you are speaking about?

I recently explained 10x better why LN is a complete dead end unless your goal is to recreate the already existing banks:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg28305541#msg28305541

Things like Pirate Bay or any P2P system referenced could have easily been crushed by now

The definition was changed by the money changers.  It used to mean in Luke Jr bible days just the charging of interest, then they changed it to "unreasonable interest" LOL.  Kind of like saying "rape" vs "unreasonable rape".  Usury is a form of slavery and it doesn't matter what the yield you're pulling is.

Well Bittrex exchange is broken!  can log in but no way to buy or sell !  My balance is there, but no markets in BTC or USDT.  it's like an empty exchange.  

Maybe someone needs to turn it off and on again!

fee back in my wallet less than 100k  and about 57k for lower level sending.
but agree with you in the past sending with 57k was very high fee and can confirmed in less than 1 hours.
miners start playing  against bitcoin

are you ready to go under 8000€ / BTC ?

My theory is slightly different: wall street started loading up on btc once futures were a sure fact, and kept pumping until it established an upward avalanche-momentum when even moms and pops started panic-buying btc above 10K. While the noobs were buying above 10-15K the sharks loaded up on shorts (btc futures are still mostly short), and then, when their target was hit at 20K they pulled the trigger unloading their "physical" btc making out like bandits both because they sold at the top their btc and even more from their futures short bets placed at the top. A perfect controlled demolition, which they will repeat until it works imho, that's why they will let the price pump again after the next futures expiration.

This is twice now, in the last 12 hours or so, that we've seen mempool tx/fee activity spikes coinciding with a upward price movements.

It's uncanny.

Its not about bitfinex, its about tether. Count the number of exchanges with real! USD support - Coinbase, Bitstamp, Gemini and Kraken - thats it.
Now imagine "the market" realizes that there are 2.2Billion worthless "USD" in the system, which where used to pump up the price from 1k$ to 20k$.
Somebody will be the bagholder for those 2.2Billion.

Furthermore, a 500 million theft from a Japanese exchange last week curiously isn't even a talking point now. Are we just being ethno- and bitcoincentric or is this kind of shit just not so important anymore because of the larger ecosystem?

incoming?

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/911293/Bitcoin-price-crash-cryptocurrency-tether-Bitfinex-dollars-market-investors-value-latest

Bitcoin price CRASH 'BLOODBATH': Cryptocurrency could drop 80% as tether criticism rises

convenient thinking only sideways can happen lol? What about down.

My BS speculation skills at work:
Why the spike at the end? Doesn't look like spam? OR maybe it is.
Too chaep TX fee for miners, smaller scale SPAM?
Or People woke up and suddenly felt the urge to move coins? Crash anticipation?

Tether is not intended to be speculative. There's supposed to be $2.3B actual fiat backing it.

vs crypto "market cap", which is hugely speculative. It's not an actual valuation, it's simply supply x price.

So yes, the collapse of Tether could have a hugely disproportionate effect on the whole crypto market if it's backed by little to nothing.

In your scenario the asking price would drop to something like $0.01, only a few people would sell at current market value. If there are not enough buyers then price would drop to 0 and people would be stuck with an illiquid asset. Exchanges would likely be okay.

The problem is, the correction's just far to sharp and deep for it to be the start of a long term bear market. What's happened is it got overheated in December, then the bubble popped. Then shorters took control and it gets oversold. Then the short bubble pops and it generally ends up halfway up the retrace where it stabilises. So that would be around $13,800 if it spikes down to, say $8800.

If it really was the start of a long term bear, what usually happens is you get a bubble popping to, say 30%, 40% retrace, then a slow build up over a couple of months, then lower highs from there on for 6 months to a year. This isn't like that. It's a perfect bitcoin overheat retrace type correction (IMHO that is).

Maybe i’m Kinda curious off Some in here are actually selling / panicselling while writing things about Going to the moon and stuff ?? Are there Some in here ? Bottom Sellers or not too Many?

The issue shouldn't be a big deal, basically. Not nearly as big a deal as others are making it out to be.

BTC has seen worse... These are Rookie figures.. These need to be "pumped" up to make new hodlers feel what its like to hodl...

I have had coins rejected from exchanges.

That would be me. My weak hands just couldn't HODL any longer. Ranks up there in one of the dumb moves that I have made.   Probably, because at 3:00 am in the morning, I got up to use the restroom and looked at the charts. Been up ever since, looking at the charts more than actually working.   Exhausted and cranky, I just dumped during my lunch break. Oh well, at least I still have 70% of my holdings in the private keys stored on my Trezor.

how's this for a theory? admittedly freshly pulled out of my ass

Wall St. has been shoveling USD into bitfinex hand over fist, the USDT is actually all backed.

Bitfinex AND bitfinexed are both in on the plan.

They stall their audit and release the USDT in such a way to appear as shady as possible, meanwhile bitfinexed jumps up and down and waves his arms.

They sever ties with their auditor and gin up the old story about the subpoena as wall St dumps BTC.

Wall St buys cheap coins...we are here, or soon

Tomorrow Bitfinex/Tether release all accounting data and bank statements, tether is all backed

we all suffer neck injury

profit?

Sooner or later they will run out of BTC

The correction is technical, pure and simple.

Thinking the same about selling now and rebuy later. But everytime I tried that, it directly went up. 

It looks good?  It looks like a giant pump and dump scam to any outside observer who isn't retarded.  Now good old Scamfinex and their tethers are leading in price yet again and for some reason other exchanges follow it. Why exactly would an exchange that doesn't even have fiat withdrawals be the market maker?  In any normal market, that exchange would be completely ignored no matter if the price was $0 or $1 trillion.  

I wonder if it is good news that Finex/Tether has not printed any Tethers since the 23rd of January.

Wouldn't a decent auditor pay attention to dates and times? Or do they now have a bank that's willing to fix the books? I suppose they could  persuade Omni to do a hard fork to change those dates and times too.

the timing is actually important...they need to back before creating

Anybody thinks current BTC price drops is attributable to Wall Street Guys stepping into crypto through the futures

Wall St. arrived in bitcoin December 13th 2017 ... price has dropped ever since.

I prefer taking some profit now and be able to buy back when it hits the true bottom. Or buy back on its way up again, even for a higher price. The difference in price is the cost of my insurrance.

I agree with your tactic. Personally I keep my altcoin portfolio intact, except for ripple (sold that one as well). Sold all the bitcoins for now. Tomorrow will be an exciting day. I've set my buy-back targets at 4500 USD or 8750 USD. It can hurt, or it can be a win. But either way, $ are in the bank.

BOYS DONT WORRY MCDONALDS ISNT SUCH A BAD EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!


Jokes aside i am still not convinced that we found the bottom.

Low volume dump without bounce - still think it is going more down...

gold pump in 3 2 1

6666 is way to oversold for it to settle there right now. first will have to be a bounce to 12K and then another decline to well below 6K, before it settles at 6666. Keep in mind the ATH in 2013 was 1200, not 2000.

The bounce is going to be brutal. I can hear the confusion and the screams of lost coins.

The fact that the price didn't even pause at $6666 on the way or on the way up means that it's the Wall Street folks moving the price.

BTC folks love pricing at 666 for the lolz.

What are you talking about? It does have replay protection. In fact BTG have different addressing than BTC.

What did you use to claim it?

How can i claim the other forks I had iT on a electrum wallet, i cant claim btg beceause kraken doesnt
Support them But now its on ledger nano s....

He's just big-boned.

Kick this.  

European Banks Could Soon Hold Bitcoin, Admits ECB President

The TA matches 2014 more than 2013. Actually it matches 2011 even more. And why do you assume 'wall street' wants to buy bitcoin? Wall street is already doing what they do best which is to divert attention away to their own fake derivatives, their own coins, and their own stocks.

Each Sunday at Bitfinex we have 15% drop, caused by 13-15K BTC sold more than bought. Who are these guys: miners, corporate accounts playing with lending/margin trading? Why they sell always on Sunday/Monday in the last months? I read a post in twitter that corporate accounts will be closed soon. May be this is the cancer that stops the bull runs.

Correction concluding on the 15-minute wave.

Skyrocket recommencing.

For people to finally learn that price predictions are pure fine grade BS.

Or to not make investment decisions based on advice from random guys on a forum.

Take your pick 

Google trends says the interest in "crypto" is 7x what it was this time last year: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=crypto

No, we really don't. Hasn't CNBC already done enough damage?

Who do you think bought all those $19,000 coins?

Wealth transferred from naive consumers straight into Wall Street's front pocket. This ain't what I signed up for.

The post on Twitter 6 hours ago with explanations inside the indicators below

maybe kobayashi have some "insider info"  ..  if he think all coins are worthless or just sell them until is time...

Will McAfee Eat His Own Dick ?

https://diegorod.github.io/WillMcAfeeEatHisOwnDick/

This is how ... Rough figures only.  All fits together if you consider my other prognosis : Not all alts are doomed (just most of them , numerically). Some will be in for very big rises : their market cap share will rise relative to BTC.


Very roughly :  BTC at ~2k = 40BN, Best 20 alts at $60BN total, gives a bottom of ~100BN.

I don't know what you're looking at, but it looks to me like he absolutely fucking nailed it:

less than 1% of global gross domestic product

This is.. adoption of an entire TECHNOLOGY, eg blockchain.. not the pumping of the price value of a single coin/stock. Going back to your chart, how much was the first telephone/etc stock worth at the end of the chart?

Well theres basically two possibilities here and the blue line would be the extent of "going back into bull mode"

Most of the ppl in Crypto (speculation) have a very short time horizon.  A days action may seem like a lot.

They find it difficult to see the longer term picture. That is why there is so much conflicting opinion.


A view on price always has the caveat of a time frame.

apollo says we go to 8000 8100 then break 6K for a bottom around 4500-4700

understandble , same case for me ...... i wouldn't like this offcourse , but the time i have spend on the little "big" guy is tattoo worthy only thinking to expand it maybe with few cartoon bull-bear-whale images and A KILLER line but i dont find the best word , sentence yet too inc it on my arm .....

When bankers run the world behind the scenes controlling the laws and the money printing presses they can own and control anything they wish too.

please read this :
https://medium.com/@super.crypto1/4th-dimension-bitcoin-manipulation-cartel-can-it-be-burnt-no-way-c53de65c166a

Bitcoin has a secret weapon, it is call scarcity!

Take those coins away from the market and they will need to pump it again to shake the tree.  

If they print money to feed their short positions then we print tethers to feed our longs.

Problem solved. Fight fire with fire. Fuck all.

Are we just drawing random lines on the chart again that dont connect with anything?

Holy shit.   

Mark Karpeles doing AMA in Reddit (ex-CEO of Mt Gox):  https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/89o16y/im_mark_karpelès_exceo_of_bankrupt_mtgox_ask_me/

another roach that didn't open sourced his matching engine...

if you don't own the private key, those cryptos aren't yours...

we need faster open sourced DEX... and ruins all centralized exchange !

ohohoh do you have a link?

the problem is that the said "blockchain" should be able to link multisig and release coins for the wallet automatically once the trade is matched and not some kind of scam to pump a shitclone... otherwise they will not be chain neutral...

was it approved by the iOS gulag guardians?

So, this time 7,5k was the point where we went down again.

Next one is 6,5k ?

Probably all the way down to 3-4k

Sounds like a ponzi, how will the no-coiners turn a profit when you run out of people to jump on board?

 

I don't know why we consider the "India" factor that much in crypto. Indian contribution towards crypto volume is surely not above 2.5% to 3% or so.

and please don't ask me why the united nations is a terrorist organization, the child project of those who created the federal reserve...

Can we stop pretending three months of crash is somehow tied to tax deadlines?

It would be great.

Pretty sure the reason why the price is crashing is due to people like this

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8adxnh/need_a_serious_advice_should_i_take_out_a_private/

There is probably many of these situations where people borrowed money to buy crypto or mining equipment and will panic sell and cause market to go even lower.

very quick short list  for a small "game list" or how i have to call it..... only  when breaking 12288 dollar price.....  almost same rules as the list before just a winning date AND
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              .15 BTC for correct date
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              only accounts with minimum 5 Merit and 20 activity (last time to many new pop't up  )
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LIST CLOSES tuesday 12 CET allways CET time  no execptions
just for quick enjoyment

my excuses but 9/11 was token and overlooked by me ..... the days before and after are free i think so please correct and take another date my excuses sir....  

you have 09/11 ....

the problem is that I don't understand what you mean by "parasiting"... what few of you don't understand is that it's just an ocean on each side... not another galaxy .

I don't think so... the problem is that owning or transacting with russians simply means supporting the war against Isreal...

sadly, no. round up, eliminate the threat, then restore ties with the suriving population...

Not sure there would be any major long liquidation anymore to be honest.
Anyone not selling at $6K will probably not sell at $2K or below.

I won't.

Good morning everyone.

Jumping well above $7.8k and bull rushing past $8k...we have entered another Fibonacci area where resistance is meeting support.  Market sentiment is still on the rise and is the highest it has been all year.

I don't think we left the bear market since $20k. We still have a long way down before starting another path to ATH. Have we seen enough blood on the streets? No. $6.6k was nothing. It was a fun walk in the park. Wait and see what'll happen when we go sub $3k and only then, we'll moonshot to $100k.

Next 24h are critical

Dungeon averted?

Who would have guessed the most fraudulent exchange on the planet where no real humans even trade on for fear of being Gox'd would try and paint the tape higher with tethers printed from thin air.