I have 2FA and the bitcoin withdrawal page is normal. However I have 0 USD and BTC there right now
Same for me.
I have 2FA and the bitcoin withdrawal page is normal. However I have 0 USD and BTC there right now
wait, you have BTC there, but your balance is reflecting as 0?
I think, he just meant he has no $/BTC in Bitstamp at the moment and also does not get a "You're not allowed..." message on the withdrawal page.
At least that's what I assumed, when I quoted him and said "Same for me.".
Today on #bitcoin
gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues...
this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue."
alpha125: gmaxwell: where did you find out abotu the automatic reissues?
gmaxwell: alpha125: from mtgox staff and magicaltux ... I had assumed previously that any reissues were manual via customer support but apparently it was just timed.
gmaxwell: you'll also note that they've kept increasing their fees and then even mad paying fees mandatory.
gmaxwell: This suggested to me that they totally misunderstood their problems. (and— I reported that I believed this months ago too)
gmaxwell: e.g. they noticed lots of txn getting stuck, they didn't understand it was because they were producing invalid txn (even though it was reported to them) and so they thought it was just 'full blocks'
gmaxwell: and they increased their fees from 0.0001 to 0.0005 — which was enough to may more than virtually every txn— and then later to 0.001 which is basically astronomic. And then they made it mandatory.
gmaxwell: of course their stalled txn had nothing to do with fees.
Edit: Just to clarify, only quoted relevant parts (maybe I should have inserted "[...]" where applicable). Full text here:
http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uTToday on #bitcoin
gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues... Sad this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue."
alpha125: gmaxwell: where did you find out abotu the automatic reissues?
gmaxwell: alpha125: from mtgox staff and magicaltux ... I had assumed previously that any reissues were manual via customer support but apparently it was just timed.
gmaxwell: you'll also note that they've kept increasing their fees and then even mad paying fees mandatory.
gmaxwell: This suggested to me that they totally misunderstood their problems. (and— I reported that I believed this months ago too)
gmaxwell: e.g. they noticed lots of txn getting stuck, they didn't understand it was because they were producing invalid txn (even though it was reported to them) and so they thought it was just 'full blocks'
gmaxwell: and they increased their fees from 0.0001 to 0.0005 — which was enough to may more than virtually every txn— and then later to 0.001 which is basically astronomic. And then they made it mandatory.
gmaxwell: of course their stalled txn had nothing to do with fees.
Edit: Just to clarify, only quoted relevant parts (maybe I should have inserted "[...]" where applicable). Full text here:
http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uTOriginally posted here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg5278421#msg5278421That pastebin was taken completely out of context. The user on here who posted it also apologised to gmaxwell on IRC for posting it
As I said earlier on IRC, I did not mean to step on anyone's toes, especially not gmaxwell's. I had no context, since I joined the channel just moments before. I did just mean to provide information and don't have any $/BTC on Gox. Didn't mean to spread FUD/fear and have no agenda, the post was meant to be informative in nature only.
Should there be any relevant context, that changes the perceived meaning, someone please post it.
That pastebin was taken completely out of context. The user on here who posted it also apologised to gmaxwell on IRC for posting it
As I said earlier on IRC, I did not mean to step on anyone's toes, especially not gmaxwell's. I had no context, since I joined the channel just moments before. I did just mean to provide information and don't have any $/BTC on Gox. Didn't mean to spread FUD/fear and have no agenda, the post was meant to be informative in nature only.
Should there be any relevant context, that changes the perceived meaning, someone please post it.
But the information that was posted, is believed to be true? So whats wrong with the context?
I only provided the log, which is real. I'll leave the drawing of conclusions to others.
Any alleged missing context has to be provided by those who claim that it's missing.
EDIT: I think an interesting question is: What information is actually in there? Many might conclude that it highlights a certain degree of incompetence on Gox's side. It might be a bit more far-fetched to draw conclusions on whether and how many coins have been "lost"/"stolen" from Gox (purely from the log).
EDIT2: E. g. they could have automatically reissued the same transaction as a double-spend (using the same inputs) and not lost anything to this automatic reissuing (I am aware there have been various reports to the contrary (them resending with different inputs), which might or might not be true, I am just commenting on the log). Whether that theory holds ground in light of malleability issues, stuck transactions and other reported inconsistencies is another question altogether. Maybe malleability could still only be exploited (if at all) by complaining to customer service and have them manually resend your coins (again: there are reports claiming otherwise, might be true, might be not). Someone who feels inclined to do so could maybe dig up some more information on what most likely transpires from this log (if anything) from publicly available transaction logs. I only provided the IRC log without any speculation or interpretation.
That pastebin was taken completely out of context. The user on here who posted it also apologised to gmaxwell on IRC for posting it
As I said earlier on IRC, I did not mean to step on anyone's toes, especially not gmaxwell's. I had no context, since I joined the channel just moments before. I did just mean to provide information and don't have any $/BTC on Gox. Didn't mean to spread FUD/fear and have no agenda, the post was meant to be informative in nature only.
Should there be any relevant context, that changes the perceived meaning, someone please post it.
Seriously, don't apologize.
I mean, what the hell? If it's on IRC, you're free to show it to the rest of the world, simple as that. And "lack of context"? What the fuck. It's a pretty long log, so it's hardly a single line or two "taken out of context".
Really, if you submitted that log, thanks!
As said on IRC, that was my initial thinking, too. It seemed some didn't agree and I just meant to highlight that I intended no harm or offense.
About context one thing that could potentially be interesting is what gmaxmell is replying to (he's addressing wumpus). Maybe someone can add that who has been in the channel a little earlier than me?
These are the only posts I have from after I joined the channel, before my infamous quote, I cut them since I considered them not relevant:
#bitcoin: The topic for #bitcoin is: v0.8.6 | Bitcoin:
http://www.weusecoins.com |
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ | Let's discuss bitcoin--ALTCOINS ARE OFF-TOPIC | Prices: #bitcoin-pricetalk Trading: #bitcoin-otc News: #bitcoin-news MtGox: #mtgox | Rules:
http://bit.ly/qNzg3P | DON'T use web wallets! | URLs may be coin-stealing malware! | Unsolicited PMs may be scammers! | NO URLs OR BEGGING
#bitcoin: Topic for #bitcoin set by jcorgan!~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan at 12:13:13 AM on 2/6/2014
epscy: mrkent: impossible to know but yeah
Snowleaksange: its smush-likely
AnonX left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer).
Mike3620 [~Mike3620@unaffiliated/mike3620] entered the room.
epscy: mrkent: most people are assuming that if they lost a significant amount of btc they would be able to cover the loss with their btc profit (which is assumed to be substantial)
The pastebin from earlier starts right after those.
EDIT: If you go here
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yj5b5/unverified_pastebin_gmaxwell_irc_log_mtgox_was/ and look for posts from "nullc" who supposedly is gmaxmell you will find some comments on context and his position. Please note that this reddit has not been posted by me. I will refrain from further quoting and leave you to read nullc's comments for yourself. I think the context that nullc finds is missing is pretty clear from what has been posted already and with regard to some of his comments I can only emphasize once more I did not post this to manipulate, cause harm or offense.
One thing is certain: every information therein is either true, or false, or nonsensical, or some other thing.
To me it is obvious that many people are desperately trying to hide what really happened in MtGOX. I will not believe
any statement or document about MtGOX that that is not a police report resulting from a thorough criminal investigation. To
this I may give as much credence as the standard internet rumor.
Just posted it. Didn't mean to imply that the article is credible (or not).