Excellent find guys. I was looking for videos on that meeting, and I finally see Craig Wright admitting that he is basically a Bitcoin Cash shill. Well, now we know who is supporting what and we have it on record, just in case the tries to backpeddle. Don't forget to download these videos, im sure they may try to take down the footage away from the internet. Bitmain has done this already, they took out an entire podcast because a Bitmain ex-employee revealed how Jihan Wu was supporting 2x only because he hated Core.

In relation to what was being discussed earlier: CSW has put a deadline of around 2020 to hack Paul Le Roux's coins and dump on the market, yet, there's no reason to believe this. Why would he be so sure that he is going to crack a hard disk encrypted with probably cascaded algorithms and a very strong password at any given date? Supposedly his mining operation is actually a farm of computers trying to crack the wallet file, but even then, there's no way to really know when you could bruteforce it. Anyone that has attempted to bruteforce strong passwords with those algorithms has failed. I've forgotten passwords and I already assumed it's pointless to try to access the data again.
Not to mention the huge fail that would be if Paul had additional encryption once the first password is broken which I don't doubt since he was a very paranoid man.

And this is all assuming that any of this is true (Paul Calder being satoshi, having 1.000.000 BTC and whatnot, and not just being more cover up lunacy by Craig to avoid the aussie taxmen, keep his shitcoin on the headlines etc).

Why do you assume that it's different wallets? It's different addresses. I doubt satoshi had a wallet per mining reward transaction (50 BTC at the time), so it should all be nicely kept within the same wallet, unless in 2009 a wallet only contained one address which im not familiar with.

The Kleiman coins have already been debunked by wizsec, visit this: https://blog.wizsec.jp/2018/02/kleiman-v-craig-wright-bitcoins.html

The only reason im paying close attention to the Paul Calder cause is due the amount of coincidences. There's even the infamous post of 2002 which im not sure it has been mentioned here, in which the IP belong to the netherlands, and Paul Calder was apparently in netherlands during that time.



As far as cracking TrueCrypt, we should look at what features the program had in 2009. If cascaded ciphers were a thing back then, and so on.

PS: The post you are replying to was deleted? Please stop deleting posts, we are having a conversation here and everything is related to price anyway, as if any of this actually happens it would definitely have an impact.

PS2: I think CSW is a massive opportunist and the Paul Le Roux theory is just that, however we must keep digging.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chipmixer disappears within the next year or two. The average time for a mixer services seems to be around 3 years. 5 the strongest ones, as low as 1 for the weaker ones. We just had Bestmixer taken out by the cops recently... hopefully im wrong but that seems to be the trend. Chipmixer will probably go away in similar fashion than Bitmixer did. Probably even if the site isn't annihilated by the cops, the developers may just become increasingly paranoid after X year and start afresh.

In a way, not that different from exchangers.. Livecoin may go cryptopia eventually. Again, I hope im wrong, but let's not be naive here. Most crypto related services are short lived, except those that have heavily regulated.


It's no different than "wasting time" in technical analysis. We are just speculating as well, but at the fundamental analysis level.

Not possible in the classic sense of a server involved. Maybe with lightning network, but then again, there's people that will not trust anything but on-chain transactions.

Perhaps look into CoinJoin with wasabi's blinded bearer signatures as an improvement for the classic "dude hosting a website for tumbling coins" approach. There was recently a 100 people CoinJoin transaction which was successful.

Note that a server is involved in wasabi but the stuff that's logged wouldn't allow an attacker to connect ins and outs.

Every gram of unreported gold you own buried on your backyard is also considered criminal activity. What's your point?  If you don't want to be monitored, as far as using metals goes, it's useless unless you live in an local Amish type community doing commerce strictly within those borders as anything outside it would get quickly confiscated. Anyone that has a real business is going to need to settle transactions globally for which gold is completely useless in the 21th century. Customs are monitored way tighter than Bitcoin transactions.



I took a much needed break from posting on internet forums.

About the post: this one I click and doesn't show up:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg51407781#msg51407781

Edit ok it's actually there, it just wasn't scrolling all the way down because I have javascript turned off.

Just found this gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqpwuJw7cxY

If someone told me years ago that the Bitcoin blocksize drama would be discussed in Oxford of all places I would have thought that was the dumbest shit i've heard, yet here we are. Somehow CSW got there. He makes some good points in regards to marxism at around 44:00 onwards, however I don't get why he doesn't realize that gigamegablocks in order for everyone to be able to afford on-chain transactions could be argued to be a form of marxism, yet he doesn't see this, and claims the marxism in Bitcoin is having small blocks so everyone can run their Raspberry Pies to audit the blockchain. So who is the marxist there?

Ah I see, so it's another business. Not surprised. I would argue that they have some sort of filters in place tho. I doubt discussing if lol'ing all over this thread is acceptable or not would be acceptable, excuse the redundancy.

I would still claim that the irony of big blocks vs small blocks accusing each other of marxism is of interest.

An interesting realization I had is the fact that TrueCrypt FDE is only available through Windows even to this day in it's VeraCrypt form. By looking at the Bitcoin codebase you can tell satoshi was a so called "windows guy", he was compiling .exe only and Linux came way later. Paul used TrueCrypt and not dm-crypt, LUKS or any of the other Linux alternatives. So there is another connection. The list of coincidences I have is pretty good. Nobody is saying Paul is satoshi, it's just another decent contender in my book.

As far as bruteforcing, cascaded ciphers were added in 2004 so the encryption used by Paul probably has a combo of AES-Twofish-Serpent or something along the lines with AES-256 and a strong password which means I don't believe 10 years of bruteforcing is going to be enough (assuming CSW's farm is legit and has been working on it for 10 years which I doubt).  

All the technical analysts that were expecting sub $3000 prices by now are increasingly nervous. Every new Tone Vays upload is him trying to push the price down so his prediction comes true. He predicted $7500 as the highest point for 2017, so he would screw up again this time being overly pessimistic. Tyler Jenks was expecting a sub $1000 bottom.



Being a technical analyst for a living must suck, specially in Bitcoin. I don't know how those guys take the risk of making public predictions and charging for classes when it's obvious Bitcoin is going to do whatever the fuck it wants to do.

Speaking of mystery blobs; I assume everyone in here is aware of the fact that every computer after 2006 for Intel and 2013 for AMD contains proprietary binary blobs which are basically "features" in which your favorite triple letter friends steal all of your coins on your sleep. Just a reminder.

Which setup are you running again?



They want you to run open source software which has been approved by "them". Imagine.

They are perverting the concept of FOSS by running a police over what is and isn't acceptable code. What's not to get?

How would you deal with the fact that it's only a matter of time we are able to mine gold in aesteroids/other planets and the supply will end up becoming huge with so much gold that it will become worthless? God could have placed massive amounts of gold somewhere and we'll end up finding it. With Bitcoin you don't have to worry about such things.

Sorry but you cannot go back in time. Global value settlement is where it's at and Bitcoin defeats gold in every department. If you want to keep things within your local Amish community then good luck with your financial goals in 2020.



Bitcoin is not some sort of voodoo magic, it's still physical, atoms are there moving. Proof of Work needed to generate certain combinations of atoms, which cannot be generated out of thin air as you need said PoW. Metalheads have a hard time grasping this.

In the absurd scenario in which a guy called r0ach were to hoard the entire silver supply, people would simply search for silver alternatives for whatever industrial usages, and said alternatives would be more affordable when a single guy is hoarding the entire supply of silver. There's nothing that unique about metals, there's always alternatives. Also notice how metalheads always have to stretch their arguments to the point of maximum absurdity to make a point of how they defeat Bitcoin, in such scenarios which will never happen (r0ach owning all of the metal supply, madmax scenario in which there is no electricity left in the world, and so on)


You definitely cannot create the accumulated Proof Of Work of Bitcoin within your basement, nobody can, which is why Bitcoin has value.

So you are allowed to make your hypothetical absurd scenarios including: "if I owned the entire silver supply..." or the classic "if the electricity went down...", but im not allowed to paint a picture of space mining to make a point. Is this how it works for metalheads?


Value is created as you would need to spend increasingly more money to modify existing transactions, and in general accumulated PoW is the scorecount count going up for certainty, the #1 indicator for an investor to put money into something long term. Keep waiting for the death of Bitcoin, anytime now.

So why are you allowed to make far fetched scenarios such as you having the entire silver supply under your control, or waiting for a mad max scenario in which there is no electricity, in order for you to pump your metals again?

Still failing to explain why you are allowed to use far fetched scenarios to pump your metals, but whenever someone uses the mining in space argument (self admittedly far fetched, but definitely more realistic than such as you owning the entire silver supply) suddenly you demand all the explanations in the world when it's you who started with making such bizarre scenarios.

Im just exposing the metalhead anti Bitcoin routine and you seem too thick to even realize the fact.

The schelling point is in the fact that nobody is going to support an increase on 21 million coin supply for instance, things that matter. If the chinese colluded to do such a change, they would end up with an useless token and those smart would see the opportunity to mine Bitcoin at a discount while the scammers burn money on their pretend Bitcoin, before the difficulty picks up traction again.

Miners need transactions to happen in order to stay solvent, and nobody would use inflationcoin. Also, literally all whales (except miners that are part of the attack, assuming they don't back-peddle) would dump their share on the attackers chain, collapsing the price, thus collapsing the hashrate, and forcing miners to come back to the original chain or go out of business.

Increasing the supply of X does definitely not increase the supply of Y.

The schelling point in altcoins vs Bitcoin is to stay in Bitcoin since it's the safest, most time-tested one, remaining altcoins will just be like penny stocks which you get to sell to increase Bitcoin stack (that's all that they are now basically).


Im not anti metals. Being anti metals is just as dumb as being anti Bitcoin. There are reasons to own both.

The japanese vegeta, as well as other international vegetas, are already celebrating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQYakKz3i6E

Now that we've crossed the $9,000 barrier, why not take a look at the McAfee model again:



Assuming another %600-ish parabolic increase, it would put us around $65,000, which would mean McAfee may not have to heat his own dick as the model would be back on track. Consider that we went above %245 of the mean prediction line at the $20k peak, so there's a big margin of error. If moon and stars align (or ETF and halving) who knows. We'll have to find out in the next episode of McAfee Balls Z.

Edit: Actually funny how we just broke the nonlinear regression curve and given past precedents, the potential for a bullrun is around $60k



Maybe McAfee can keep his manhood after all. Hang on tight.

In addition to this, I want to add that Shelby is lately considering McAfee's model as a potential good candidate for 2020's price prediction, and it would look like this:



I can't imagine how this thread would look like if McAfee ends up being anywhere near right. Bitcointalk would probably collapse due too much traffic.

I understand your case for gold, but why not find a middle term and own both? Both gold and Bitcoin have a point. So far everyone that has been a stuck up goldbug has end up paying the price of missing on massive boats. Why not own some of both again? How high must it go for you to accept selling was a bad idea?
You have become our resident Peter Schiff at this point. I don't expect any closure since we've been debating this since the release of gold 1.0 itself.

There is always going to be a need for something with the properties of Bitcoin for someone out there, just like there's always going to be a need for something with the properties of gold for someone out there. Case in point, none of them is going to 0. There are no real reasons to not own some of both unless you've become a goldbug only drone/bitcoin only drone which rejects the good use cases of both.

When I was a kid playing Gran Turismo I always remember dreaming about owning an Skyline.



Fastforward to 2019 and I wouldn't even bother. I expect it would be a PITA to maintain.

How do you rate the 370 over the 350 for a proper, affordable ricer with easy to find spare parts? Much better imo. Sure it's not as "cool" as the mightly Skyline but let's be realistic. Also sorry for the purists but I can't drive on the right.

What else is there? The new Supra sucks, the old ones are overpriced and you would feel like wasting an investment everytime you use it. The new GTR is awesome, but BTC would need to bottom at $100k to even bother spending that much on a car.

Well, your messages on this forum are sent over the same medium as Bitcoins are sent... by this same train of thought aren't your forum posts then worthless?



This very nice website:

https://bircoin.top/

Very handy, you can add in your own values and create your own curves. Considering the original McAfee model was $500k, we would need to be around $32k. Still a long way to go until Dec 31 2020.

The Boomer Panic (tm) Indicator is my favorite one.




When boomers on twitter start celebrating how Bitcoin is dead = the bottom's in and it's time to accumulate.

When they start panicking = the next bull run towards ATH begins.

The question is, at what point do those guys admit that they are wrong? How many ATHs does it take specifically? Or do they perpetually stick around like our resident Peter Schiff realr0ach?

The Zerohedge comment section is filled with computer illiterates which probably are posting from a Volkswagen Camper Westfalia in which they hoard their metals. They aren't qualified to talk about Bitcoin.

When you get your gold confiscated on every border you try to cross you will understand the benefits of digitalness.

Zerohedge demographics, at least on the comment section, is middle aged to 60+ year olds... those with descendancy will eventually leave their gold to their kids, kids which will eventually diversify into Bitcoin. There's no stopping to this, r0ach, you can scream and shout all day if you want, but metal (and other assets) diversification into Bitcoin is coming and is coming in waves.

The price of Bitcoin will go as high as the next speculator wants to pay for it; hashrate will follow.



I have been calling Ethereum a scam for years. As far as Bitcoin mining centralization, contrary to popular belief, we are going towards decentralization.

Every day Bitcoin survives with 0 censored transactions is another day you are wrong, thus poorer.


Imagine being deluded enough to trust gold accumulation charts given out by governments as truth. Meanwhile you can objectively know how much a Bitcoin address holds.

Zuckerberg is not going to compete against the Federal Reserve.. only collaborate with the NSA. There isn't going to be competition against it all of a sudden. Only Bitcoin can survive in the wild doing it's own thing. A private centralized company like Facebook cannot ever issue their own money, they will use whatever US government allows.

This is another digital USD "stablecoin" thing. Nobody cares. It is either neutral or bullish for Bitcoin as it once again gives it free publicity and makes its case even more obvious for the idiots that still don't get it. Just wait for their Libra wallets to shrink every time they make the wrong political opinion on social media.

If Zuckerberg doesn't want to cooperate with the US, they will get shut down or they will try to move to other jurisdiction and release Libra ZV (Zuckerberg Vision) or whatever the fuck.

For cold storaging big amounts there's something terribly wrong about putting your money in a seed which can spawn your current and all future ever bitcoin addresses. Key derivation is a thing. Good ol wallet.dat dodges that, however you have the annoyance of having to store it, losing it, forgetting passwords... but that is a thing everywhere else.

IMO Electrum is just for temporal stuff, not perma cold storage.





I can't imagine how much of an exercise in insanity it must be trying to explain some normie boomer accountant/gov officer how you had this thing called bitcoin, which some fucktard decided to explit in something bitcoin cash of which you received an 1:1 amount, which some fucktard decided to split in something called bitcoin satoshivision which you received an 1:1 amount... and so on for all other forks.

The nightmare of taxes is a great motivator in basically never selling a single sat.

Im not familiar with Electrum, I just remember reading something about key derivation. So if you export a private key generated within a full bitcoin client (let's say Core) and you import it within Electrum, and you use the Electrum seed to spawn your wallet, this imported private key from the wallet.dat will not show up? If yes, then I would still be paranoid of seed bruteforcing. There's something about Electrum that wouldn't allow me to sleep at night with any relevant amount of money in there.

Keyword: a key. It would only take getting lucky once to get all of your money. With a wallet.dat you would need to go address by address. Who knows what those fuckers have in store when it comes to quantum computers within a couple of decades. Plus any mistakes on your part leading to key derivation exploits... yeah no thanks. Electrum seems like a bad idea for serious cold storaging.

Spending 1 BTC on a lambo when you have 10, it's still as dumb as it gets. You are putting 10% of your wealth on a god damn car, which will not stop there because those cars are high maintenance. So you better be making at least 10k a year only reserved for the car.

If you had 20.. then maybe, and it couldn't be one of the brand new ones, should be something more modest like an used Gallardo which goes for around 90k.

You'll also have to deal with taxes, because you can't buy a car or a house without getting taxed the fuck out, which means having to report where every single satoshi comes from, which is a nightmare within itself. I have for instance payments from signature campaigns from years ago which im not sure how I should exactly prove they come from there as the websites don't exist anymore (Coinut for instance, used to pay you on their website, and I didn't took any screenshots of the payments or anything... so you tell me). Then there's the forks nightmare, then there's the trading which occurred on exchanges which no longer exist nightmare... and so follows. Those are just motivations to hodl the thing, I don't even want to think about any of that. Im hoping there's some sort of amnesty at some point and we are allowed to sell without having to deliver all those details from ages ago which nobody has kept track of 100%.

I can't believe how this guy goes out in public with a straight face defending how he was always right. He told people to avoid Bitcoin at its lowest, then told people to buy gold right before the multi decade dump. This while selling his goldmoney scam implying it's decentralized or anything.
Anyone that listened to his advice has become one of those guys which are permanently bitter about Bitcoin and delusional about how awesome gold is (like our resident Peter Schiff r0ach).

A total f*cking trainwreck of a prediction. And he has been telling people to not buy at every single f*cking market bottom since then, all of this while gold dumped. If you tried to make a worse financial decision in purpose you couldn't.


*note how this chart peaks at $3k, of course, all of those know-it-all analysists saw that chart and said "the bubble is about to burst", then we saw it go to $20k, proving how predicting tops in bitcoin is impossible and the only sane move is holding

Anyone that has been seeing Bitcoin hit 5 figures (now twice) since 2012 while bagholding gold has become clinically insane.

The mighty proudhon is back predicting the up and coming doomsday of Bitcoin. Pack it up, it's over.




Anytime now.

Well have fun paying massive tax, being put on on some sort of list, and also get some good lawyers. Biggest reason to hold is that even if your bitcoins are from licit origin, it's a gamble how the government will deal about it.

Also lol at this is the last bullrun.

I expect the price of bitcoin to be way past $1,000,000,000 per coin by 2107. And yes, I mean US dollars, not Zimbabwean dollars.

When you are feeling down at past opportunities which were missed, you just have to look at this guy's tweet and just have a laugh at it all:




This is even worse than the pizza guy. Most people don't know who he his, this guy made a tweet which went viral with his face. It's still growing to this day:

https://twitter.com/gregschoen/status/70261648811761665

I would never be able to sleep at night ever again. The moral of the story is of course and as always: HODL, at any rate.

If they were actual copies (clones), they would trade at 1:1:1. What we have is counterfeit Bitcoin, chinese Bitcoin if you will, vs real Bitcoin.
Just because something it's physical in the classical, tangible sense, it doesn't mean there aren't copies, and there aren't markets for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUyCO3FXHS4

In order to have a "rich lifestyle" you'll have to have your bitcoins taxed anyway, so it goes against your claim of "Good luck to them getting access to my coins."...

Suppose you have 100 BTC and price is $100k per coin, and you want to live a $10million lifestyle. You spend $1million on a nice condo and $100k on a car, you sell enough to make a decent yearly income from dividends, and so on... do you think the government will not ask where the money came from? because they will and they ask for origin of funds. What will you say and what data you have to back it up?

A lot of people live under the radar without flashy things because they couldn't prove the origin of their wealth (even if it's of licit origin, they didn't save the required documentation to prove so) and don't want to risk getting into a huge problem, so they are rich but still live a rather frugal lifestyle.

In order to bypass all of that with top accountants and lawyers I guess you would need a serious (9 figure or $billionaire) wealth, otherwise you can't pretend to be a big guy above laws.

And onto price predictions, the current 2 scenarios I consider are:

1) 100k by 2022
2) 100k by 2032

Scenario 2 would have a very long cryptowinter, giving you the opportunity to stack tons of cheap BTCs. This scenario completes an hyperwave hitting around 1k-ish as the lowest low before a new ATH. However things are leaning up towards scenario 1), which would mean 1MM by 2032, but also means you'll have less BTC in your pocket.

Scenario 2 would need to include global warfare against Bitcoin. Like governments going all-in against BTC, closing ALL exchanges, threatening with possession of BTC as illegal, closing all ongoing institutional brokerage activities, no Bakkt, CME, ETF, none of that, all is cancelled. Making mining illegal, having the POTUS shitting on BTC every so often on Twitter.. you get the idea. BTC would be really underground during this period. I don't rule this scenario out because things can change fast and governments can become increasingly tyrannical during hyperinflation times. This would mean really cheap coins for a long time. During this time demoralization would be high, so it would be possible to stack at low prices. Once reality hits in as halving go on, panic buying would kick in eventually, specially by 2032 when the emission rate becomes almost flat.

I don't understand why people are ruling out this scenario. We have never faced a full blown attack, and I think it's eventually coming, which would fit this long crypto winter period I describe. Sure, like I said scenario 1 looks like it's forming, but things can change fast, fundamentals are not shown on TA.

I believe the initial shock would be negative for the price. Also my scenario includes mining operations being shut down, so with less hashrate comes lower price. Of course difficulty would adjust and someone elsewhere would find a good opportunity cost and open up mining operations. So things would go through this awkward phase were all exchanges with high liquidity are shut down, main market goes OTC... im talking really underground stuff, like going back to 2012. Eventually, long term hard money always wins, which means people that accumulated here get the fruits of understanding how hard money wins long term.

So either way, 1 million by 2032 or 100k by 2032 = rich.

What I think would skyrocket BTC automatically is if government made physical cash illegal, which I believe will happen somewhere next decade... so that's another thing to consider.

So apparently, CSWcoin is going to hardfork in the near future. Said hardfork includes the fantastic idea of basically stealing people's unclaimed BTC, which means, if you didn't claim your BSV, those coins will be "confiscated" by CSW-Ayre's mining operation (which I presume are the only people mining the thing). This also includes that satoshi's "1 million" coins will be stolen. According to raw calculations, they'll get $85million. I mean, it's not a lot, but still, this has to be a joke right? am I taking crazy pills? How is people unironically supporting such thing at this point?

I assume most here didn't even bother claiming the coins. I mean, it's such a pain claiming a forked coins, you have to do much for so little, but I don't appreciate CSW getting free money, but still, I may just don't bother.

If this is not the case, correct me if im wrong on the whole thing, but that is what I extracted from what I've read.

Gmaxwell did address this on bsv subreddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/edr0av/massive_replay_theft_coming_to_a_scamchain_near/

And official bsv page says:

https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/12/23/bitcoin-sv-blocking-potential-p2sh-replay-attack-after-genesis-hard-fork/


Note: The theory is that it is argued if there were any "mistakes" here, and stealing funds was always part of the plan, they just got caught by gmaxwell.

Trying to make any sense out of this clusterfuck. So apparently (and I forgot about this) Bitcoin SV did fork from Bitcoin Cash. Now, on BCH addresses:

So the way I see it is that, people affected by this, will be the ones that had unclaimed BCH which remained in legacy addresses, but only the amounts that be sitting on p2sh... so to put it simple, any unclaimed amounts sitting on addresses that don't begin with 1 can be stolen. This proves in practice, an scenario in which the schelling point to hold your coins is addresses that begin with 1, and nothing else. Nobody will ever be stupid enough to break backwards-compatibility with addresses that begin with 1 (the original format) so seems reasonable to hold your coins in such format.

Now, if you bother with the clusterfuck that is claiming coins from a fork, then go for it, but a lot of people may simply don't even care they lose those coins all things considered. I mean, I would hate giving those guys "free money", but at this point I can't be fucking bothered with any of this nonsense, im trying to relax and enjoy the holidays, last thing on my mind is having to deal with this insanity to be frank. Remember that it requires that you move the entirety of your holdings, then download some dodgy software, then have to sync the entire blockchain of said altcoin, copy the empty wallet after you've moved your funds in there, and finally dump the damn thing. All of this without screwing up in the process.

Are you factoring in taxes? those are some big numbers. Which are the % brackets on capital gains vs income tax on the UK? How did you acquire your BTC? In the US, I've heard if you hold for 1 year, any income tax that would apply expire and only capital gains apply. However the problem would be explaining to the administration that some guy on a forum paid you to post, that you acquired gains through forks, mining shitcoins and trading them on now dead exchanges years ago, faucets which have been dead for years and you  didn't keep any records... all those things add up into a tax nightmare hard to explain as most likely there's lack of documentation that got lost along the way. It's all licit origin, however, there is a risk they think you are bullshitting. It is a clusterfuck cashing out BTC in any scenario that isn't having purchased BTC in a regulated KYC/AML exchange, at your name with registered ID and keeping all buy and sell records. Other than that, you are playing a lottery in which they may or not think you are a dodgy individual trying to launder money. That's the problem for people that obtain BTC any other ways when they want to cash out. For some odd reason some people think they can simply cash out and "the burden of proof is on state authorities, they must prove im a criminal" as if that was a good idea. There's a lot of people that didn't do anything wrong stuck with BTC's not being able to cash out due fear of authorities, since they can't clearly prove the origin. I wonder how much % of that money is part of the BTC that hasn't moved.