All posts made by MonadTran in Bitcointalk.org's Wall Observer thread



1. Post 2182332 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_10.59h):

Quote from: fitty on May 17, 2013, 04:31:10 PM
We all know what that means. Fire makes everything AWESOME!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_hqLmxvpiI



2. Post 2684205 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: ardana123 on July 08, 2013, 06:47:50 PM
It's funny all you fags trying to sway people into buying while we're clearly still in a downwards spiral. There's no reason for bitcoin to go up right now besides speculation, and that has already been done the last few months, too soon for another bubble.

On the other hand, there is no reason for Bitcoin to go down right now, besides speculation.

Actually, almost any act of trading, or hoarding anything, can be labeled as "speculation". You're selling bitcoins? Speculator! Buying bitcoins? Speculator! Holding bitcoins? Speculator (you are probably hoping the price would go up). Buying gold? Speculator! Selling bonds? Speculator! Holding dollars? Speculator (by holding dollars, you are betting against gold, Bitcoin, and Chilean peso).

The only real way to avoid being called a speculator, is to spend all of your savings right away, and go into debt to buy a new house, or a yacht, or a Ferrari. Now, all of a sudden, you become an honest hard-working person, struggling to repay the debt. Not like all those speculators.



3. Post 2684266 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 08, 2013, 07:38:06 PM
Buying a net-net such as Graham advocates is hardly speculating.

net-net, like in "valuing a company based on tangible assets"? Well, you are definitely betting that those tangible assets are not going down, and you probably want to profit from that buy, do you? Speculator.



4. Post 2684464 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 08, 2013, 07:50:53 PM
Investing is buying something because its value is higher than its price.
The value to whom? At which point in time? Who measures the value? To me, investing is like speculation in slo' motion. Like, when you are investing, you actually think before you buy stuff, while day trading is a different kind of speculation, where you don't think much, it's more like you feel the mood of the market.

I happened to live in a country where any kind of retail business was called "speculation", too. You buy wholesale, you sell it item-wise for more - speculator! Sounds ridiculous, but, if you think of it, even the word "speculator" is a bit ridiculous. It doesn't add any understanding of the situation whatsoever.

Quote from: wachtwoord on July 08, 2013, 07:50:53 PM
If no one ever offers you morr for it that's fine as you'll simply keep the asset.
But then, if you don't need the asset, you're a speculator that just lost his money, and if you do need the asset, you are a consumer, not an investor.



5. Post 2684908 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Ultraviolet on July 08, 2013, 08:53:59 PM
parting with a currency that can buy pretty much _anything_ in the world right now, a currency that is _very_ difficult for most people to acquire, in exchange for a number on a Bitcoin-qt client that _possibly_ will be worth more fiat than you bought it for in the future.
Following that logic, investing US dollars into anything at all is a huge mistake. Why won't people just keep them, and don't waste their time trading?
(Hint: QE)

Quote from: Ultraviolet on July 08, 2013, 08:53:59 PM
That day is a minimum of 3-5 years away. Whether Bitcoin even survives that long at all is absolutely not certain.
You seem certain the current purchasing power of US dollar would, more or less, survive for 5 more years... I am not sure what this assumption is based upon.



6. Post 2686140 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: Ultraviolet on July 08, 2013, 11:44:43 PM
That is absolutely not the applicable logic, nor is it what I'm saying. This is a basic fact: Bitcoin is not a fully functional, usable currency at the present time.

OK, I suppose so. Bitcoin is not a functional currency yet, and US dollar is not a functional store of value already. Now, my original statement was this:

there is no reason for Bitcoin to go down right now, besides speculation

Some of what you are saying is valid, I just don't see how it relates to that statement. At the moment, there doesn't seem to be anything at all, that is usable both as a store of value, and as a currency, at the same time. Cryptocurrencies is probably the only thing that has the potential to fill that vacuum. But, like you said, Bitcoin has not matured to perfection, yet. There is no particular reason for Bitcoin to go up. There is no particular reason for Bitcoin to go down. Both up- and downward rallies are mass psychoses, sort of. A bitcoin is currently worth $76. Is that too much, or is it too little? I've no idea. Pretty much depends on what mood the Bitcoin crowd would wake up in tomorrow. Someone panics, the panic spreads - I would know the current price was too high. Someone gets optimistic, and buys up that wall at $80 - I would learn that today's price was too low. Any attempts to put TA on top, like trends and such, are mostly in the area of group psychoanalysis, they have very little to do with Bitcoin itself.



7. Post 2701531 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: gandhibt on July 10, 2013, 09:15:43 PM
Isn't this this?

Sorry, what is that that?



8. Post 2701613 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: gandhibt on July 10, 2013, 09:24:32 PM
Isn't this this?

Sorry, what is that that?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg2696239#msg2696239

Ah, this that. This is lasting a bit longer than those, so I would hope this is not that. But who knows, who knows.



9. Post 2701655 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.09h):

Quote from: spooderman on July 10, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
once again, wtf is going on here?

The dollar bubble popping?



10. Post 2849034 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.12h):

Quote from: fr33d0miz3r on August 01, 2013, 07:45:44 PM
I'll just leave this here:


We might have passed the "return to normal" phase somewhere in late April, when it jumped back to about 150. The "despair" is probably early July, and, according to Adam's chart, we are back at the mean.



11. Post 3020860 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.14h):

Quote from: el_rlee on August 27, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
syria is responsible for the current rally apparently

src?

Might make some sense: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/syria-intervention-fears-hit-global-markets-2013-08-27

Stocks drop, maybe due to some Syria news, maybe not, maybe people are using some Syria news to rationalize their irrational behavior. Anyway, there's a selloff on the stock market, where does the money go? Might as well go our way.



12. Post 3038437 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.14h):

Quote from: ardana123 on August 29, 2013, 04:09:18 PM
the syria situation won't do jack shit to the going rate of bitcoin.
it's still too obscure for that, anyone else thinking otherwise is retarded

Thou shalt not underestimate the combined power of all the retarded people, and their influence on the price of Bitcoin.



13. Post 3096638 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.15h):

Quote from: MAbtc on September 06, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
The question is whether the powers that be can maintain the system. The answer is: they can.

Pardon me? We would still be living under the Roman Empire if they could. The only question is when the collapse is going to happen. It might happen next year. It might happen in 10 years. If anyone here thinks it won't happen in our lifetime, I can understand that, even though I don't think so. But expecting it to last forever fits Einstein's definition of insanity - "doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdSq5H7awi8



14. Post 3627332 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.24h):

Quote from: sedric398 on November 18, 2013, 07:22:27 PM
So is there a live-video-stream or just audio for the hearing today?
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/

There's also this one, with live commentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhzjIu4Qnto . It may, or may not, be more fun to watch.



15. Post 3679891 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.27h):

Quote from: adamstgBit on November 22, 2013, 10:58:26 PM
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Would it go to negatives after this? The suspense is killing me.



16. Post 4434551 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: fluidjax on January 10, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
poeple stop talking chinese, i cant read it
Neither can I... 我的直升机充满鳗鱼

Google can. It says, "My helicopter full of eels"   Grin



17. Post 4435617 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.54h):

Quote from: pietje on January 10, 2014, 08:08:35 PM
So thursday or saturday are the best days for selling if you want to make some profit.

I think the data says, there are no good days for selling, and all days are good for hodling, on average.



18. Post 4780952 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

Quote from: hmmmstrange on January 27, 2014, 06:02:46 PM
This is actually really good news. Charlie was not an asset to the bitcoin community. It was a shame that the winklevoss ever got involved with him but I'm glad they shut down bitinstant when they found out.

While I'm not going to sell bitcoins just because of this, I do think this is terrible news. A person has just been put in jail, on bogus "trading with some people, who might have been trading with some other people, who might have been selling plants to people" charges. Seeing certain individuals in Bitcoin community dump the guy, just because he's "not an asset" or something, is making me sad and angry. I would guess you and me are sort of "not an asset" types either, even more so than Charlie. So what, does it mean we deserve to be locked up?



19. Post 4781225 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

Quote from: seleme on January 27, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
But maybe they have that proof and are not stupid to do it without it. I don't know guy, so I certainly won't take his corner just like that.

Even if they have the proof, the charges boil down to him buying a piece of vegetation, and maybe trading with people who trade with people who sell pieces of vegetation. It's not a valid reason to put a person into a cage. He's not accused of murder, or theft, or rape. He's accused of trading with the wrong people. Meanwhile, some of the banks are known to have been involved in the same activities, at a larger scale, and all it ended up was a fine (they essentially took some of their bailout money back). The charges are both unjust in and of itself, and biased/disproportional, compared to other such cases.



20. Post 4781417 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

Quote from: Holliday on January 27, 2014, 06:29:09 PM
Russia wins the dubious distinction of the first country in the world to officially ban Bitcoin (unlike earlier Thailand myth).

Good for them! The people get the government they deserve!

It's not true. Russian government "warns the businesses that getting involved with virtual currencies may be in violation of certain AML laws or something".



21. Post 4782964 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_11.59h):

Quote from: uvwvj on January 27, 2014, 07:22:05 PM
Roger Ver @rogerkver ·3m FBI, and DEA agents who want to lock people in cages for buying, selling, or using drugs are the ones committing evil @CharlieShrem #bitcoin

Guys, if you are industry leaders here in Bitcoin world use your heads before you make stupid comments, again you may want to legalize pot (and I agree with that) but if its illegal now don't make a blanket statement, you are trying to sell Bitcoins as a revoluntary type of payment system and to investors who is going to be giving you money for your bitcoins.  Use your head as where this money is coming from, and know that before you tweet things.

Something being illegal and something being immoral are two distinct things. If you agree that something is not immoral, I would expect that you disapprove locking people up for not doing anything wrong. It's almost like, "That woman committed adultery, so she should have expected to be stoned to death. I don't really support stoning people to death, but she should have tried to change the Law of God first, start a new religion, or something. She didn't, so as it stands, anyone who tries to save her, is against the one true God, and is a dangerous heretic."



22. Post 5125267 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_12.08h):

Quote from: biafore on February 13, 2014, 07:19:49 PM
Isn't everyone shorting by now?

It's kind of impossible, right? You can only sell your coins if someone is buying them. Some people are panicking, some people are using the opportunity to buy more coins.



23. Post 10280912 (copy this link) (by MonadTran) (scraped on 2020-04-04_Sat_13.53h):

Quote from: Moria843 on January 27, 2015, 06:33:31 PM
Why aren't the Greeks and Russians buying?

Can't say anything for Greeks, but Russians are buying USD, because RUB is being inflated much faster than USD, so the majority of the people don't notice any USD inflation.